Edmonton at Winnipeg

Started by gobombersgo, June 20, 2026, 07:31:30 PM

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Pete

the keying in on Brady is the main strategy every team uses against the bombers. Knowing this we have to take advantage of this such as faking the handoff andd throwing just behind the linebackers. When we force the other team to adjust then go back to Brady.
The other factor might be to hand off to brady on second and 6-8 yds. Condell is much less predictable than Hogan so hopefully we can be more creative. Do our guards ever pull and lead running plays off the edge? It always seems to be off tackle and try to bulldoze

Blueforlife

Quote from: Pete on June 23, 2026, 07:53:27 PMthe keying in on Brady is the main strategy every team uses against the bombers. Knowing this we have to take advantage of this such as faking the handoff andd throwing just behind the linebackers. When we force the other team to adjust then go back to Brady.
The other factor might be to hand off to brady on second and 6-8 yds. Condell is much less predictable than Hogan so hopefully we can be more creative. Do our guards ever pull and lead running plays off the edge? It always seems to be off tackle and try to bulldoze
love these ideas, love a run on 2nd and long, just keep running the rock until you can't imo

Blue In BC

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2026, 07:42:23 PMWho would you take off to get both him and MCI on the field at the same time? How often would you run this?  How often has this already occurred?

I am guessing most times we try to decoy, they stack the box and shut us down and results in a tackle for a loss.

I would simply run it up the gut consistently and mix and match a bit (schemes) to flip the script.  This has worked for a long time.  If that stops working screen pass em and stretch em.  Maybe a little backup QB run, bootleg or run fake.

Could always just run Zach, he did it last year (JOKING).

Another thing I thought of was maybe some direct snap action.

The same thing we do when Daniels goes on as a TE, or MCI as a FB. The 3rd Canadian receiver comes off. The suggestion is that once in awhile we actually throw to Daniels or have MCI in a variant of a running play. That could be as a receiver or in an actual running play, possibly a draw or a sweep.

The point being is that Daniels and MCI can't be totally ignored as offensive weapons. Opponents have to believe that they will occasionally be used. Even using them as a decoy now and again has the same effect. The difference being feigning a block and going out as a receiver for example.

3 or 4 times a game depending on the success rate, but that's what I suggest.

A direct snap is another viable option in some situations during the season.
One game at a time

Blueforlife

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2026, 08:32:10 PMThe same thing we do when Daniels goes on as a TE, or MCI as a FB. The 3rd Canadian receiver comes off. The suggestion is that once in awhile we actually throw to Daniels or have MCI in a variant of a running play. That could be as a receiver or in an actual running play, possibly a draw or a sweep.

The point being is that Daniels and MCI can't be totally ignored as offensive weapons. Opponents have to believe that they will occasionally be used. Even using them as a decoy now and again has the same effect. The difference being feigning a block and going out as a receiver for example.

3 or 4 times a game depending on the success rate, but that's what I suggest.

A direct snap is another viable option in some situations during the season.
I would be more for throwing to them on occasion, also love me a draw
Forgot about Daniels! I would put him above Cobb for pecking order touches
I would invovle Daniels / MCI once or twice a game max.

Blue In BC

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Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2026, 08:55:43 PMI would be more for throwing to them on occasion, also love me a draw
Forgot about Daniels! I would put him above Cobb for pecking order touches
I would invovle Daniels / MCI once or twice a game max.

Sure. The thing is, is that you can run more than one look out of the same formation. You let Daniels block on one series and on the next your run him out into the flat as a decoy, from the same formation. Or you do it on 2nd and 4 and throw to him.

Cobb only has 3 targets and 2 reception in 2 games so good point. Daniels or MCI would be closer to the LOS for a quick throw to pick up a 1st down.

Condell seems to be less predictable and offence is often about illusion to keep them guessing.

Ditto with MCI. Just give the defence a slight pause in where they focus.

All that said, we seem to run right up the middle on the 1st play of most games.
One game at a time

Blueforlife

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2026, 09:01:50 PMSure. The thing is, is that you can run more than one look out of the same formation. You let Daniels block on one series and on the next your run him out into the flat as a decoy, from the same formation. Or you do it on 2nd and 4 and throw to him.

Cobb only has 3 targets and 2 reception in 2 games so good point. Daniels or MCI would be closer to the LOS for a quick throw to pick up a 1st down.

Condell seems to be less predictable and offence is often about illusion to keep them guessing.

Ditto with MCI. Just give the defence a slight pause in where they focus.

All that said, we seem to run right up the middle on the 1st play of most games.
And it will work 60% of the time min.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2026, 10:36:33 PMAnd it will work 60% of the time min.

Good if you're content to win 60% of the games, that won't be good enough come the playoffs. 

Blueforlife

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 23, 2026, 11:09:46 PMGood if you're content to win 60% of the games, that won't be good enough come the playoffs. 
I didn't say that I have successfully counter a lot of your positions and now you are deflecting and making stuff up

60% of time the run up the gut will work on the 1st play

Wow fantasy 🏝 must be fun place lol

For the record 70% is my # for win % lol reg season

BomberFan73

I hate bye weeks...I need some Bomber football.

Tecno

I rewatched the HAM@WPG game.  Useless run game was 80% on OL.  20% Brady.  95% of the time HAM was stopping Brady with just the front 7.  In fact, often just the DL.

Also watched carefully what HAM was doing with their run game on O.  Holy Moses it's night and day what what their OL is doing compared to ours.  Our OL NEVER properly blocks the 2nd level (LBers) -- they barely block the DL properly.  HAM OL+RECs at times would make a perfect flawless 20Y corridor with all remaining 10 players.  Every single guy making his block.  It was a thing of beauty; and disgusting because it was HAM and not WPG doing it.

Don't know what HAM is putting in that OL wheaties.  Ya, you'd think Dobson would be good, but the other guys aren't known as CFL superstars.  I just don't get it.  Maybe back to my theory of other teams spending more time in off-season getting all of this setup.  Maybe they practice/scheme more/harder.  Maybe they meet outside of practice hours and do it on their own because they want to win.  Maybe their OL coach is better.

Our OL is having a good pass pro year, but the run block is just as pathetic and weak and useless as 2025.  Every other team max-holds to make the wash or shed difficult.  But DLs shed off our OL like water off a duck.  So many instances last game.  So Brady or scrambling Zach get reamed from the guy our OL should be gripping furiously!

And Brady often goes down on the low trip or low bump.  In fact, I think teams may have figured out that's his weak spot.  He never hurdles.  He seems to easily get off balance when touched low.  I think he should go study the old Cornish tapes and watch how Cornish would shift to baby-steps mode whenever anything was coming in low -- BEFORE it came in.  Cornish had like half the beef & strength of Brady, and yet it's Brady that goes down when you touch his feet.  All that core & upper body strength doesn't help Brady at all if no one tries to tackle him high.  So teams just have a DL/LB slash laterally at Brady's feet.

This is coachable.  Fix it.  Embarrassing that mediocre Oullette hurdles guys for an extra 6Y every other game and we just stink up the joint.  Should never have burnt that AH33 bridge... another lost opportunity.  What's Cornish doing?  Hire him as RB advisor.
Never go full Johnston!

tlf

Quote from: Pete on June 22, 2026, 03:37:05 PMIt will be something of a role reversal , we will/need to focus on stopping the run and forcing elks to beat us through the air.
 Edmon strengths
  Much more physical defense than us
  Rankin and Fajardo running game is more diversified , we basically run off tackle with Olivera
  Younger and faster more aggressive secondary

 Winnipeg strengths
Receiving core
Collaros is better than Fajardo
Specialty teams
Dline has potential to be more impactful if Willie comes to play
Should be a good one.


IT will be a great game.

Now, I love Zach, but is he better than Cody? In certain things yes.  I love Fajardo's leadership (ZC8's too), but I think Fajardo just has that extra something. He's tough. Gritty.  ZC has a bit of that, but man, something about Fajardo, I wouldn't be mad if he was a Bomber QB.  He's my 2nd fave CFL QB.  I do cheer for him vs everyone else.  He has definitely grown a lot over the years.

Having said that, let's go beat him! :)

tlf

Quote from: Tecno on June 22, 2026, 07:45:12 AMRankin is hella scary because he's the combination of Cornish and Sheets.  He's as slippery and untackleable and unknockoverable as Cornish.  And he's as fast and accelerate-able as sheets.

His only downside is he's not terribly powerful.  But he doesn't need it because whenever he's hitting walls he slips out and bounces another direction.

I didn't watch much football in the late-80's, and 90's/00's... who does Rankin look like compared to the best from that era?

AI says Rankin is making $145k a year until FA28.  That's an outright steal and basically half of Brady.  Just sayin'...

Maybe this is the year of the speed back.


Really?!!  And I bet he gets the ball twice as much!

Give the ball to Brady!!

Tecno

Quote from: tlf on June 24, 2026, 03:29:02 AMReally?!!  And I bet he gets the ball twice as much!

Give the ball to Brady!!

If Brady ripped off 60Y in his first 4 carries I bet we'd give Brady the ball more too... (not to mention being over 200Y every single game)
Never go full Johnston!