Rasheed Bailey released?

[TecnoGenius]

Short term pain for long term gain?

You don't roll into the post-season with short term pain... you put maximum effectiveness on the field, not "developing the next LDW".

[Sir Blue and Gold]

You don't roll into the post-season with short term pain... you put maximum effectiveness on the field, not "developing the next LDW".

Really bizarre that you just pull out L'Damian Washington as a comparable.

No one is developing "the next" L'Damian Washington. That doesn't even make sense.

There are plenty of guys who have tools but don't work out. There are some that do. You don't know until you try - that's the entire point.

[TecnoGenius]

Really bizarre that you just pull out L'Damian Washington as a comparable.

Why not?  He's one of the few recent rookies we've brought in and gave extensive game time to that didn't work out.  It seems pretty clear to me that Johnson is not the next Schoen (who was a superstar out of the gate).  So ya, LDW seems apt.

There are plenty of guys who have tools but don't work out. There are some that do. You don't know until you try - that's the entire point.

And my entire point is we're running out of runway for him to "don't work out".  You want to roll into the WSF with Johnson playing like he is now?  Or do you bench him and put known-quantity Lucky (or even a late vet pickup) in?

Are you really comfortable, as of right now, with starting Johnson in the '24 GC??  I'm not sure we're speaking to the same question.

I'm fine with dev'ing him, like others have said he should have been on the PR.  So as we hit the home stretch of the season, and especially the post season, I want to put him back on the dev shelf and start a real producer.  I'd love to be wrong and Johnson gets 125Y in the WSF, but I ain't putting money on that!!

[theaardvark]

If Bailey would have taken a min contract,I think Walters, MOS and Buck would have felt like we were ripping him off.  Now that he's on a PR, it does change everything from that aspect.

Pretty sure he helps us on the field and in the room.  Does it put Johnson back a bit?  Sure, but he's on a 2 year ELC, no?  And yes, Lucky was a happy surprise, but not the same role as Sheed.  And Clecius/Wolitarski are good Sheed type players, but can it hurt to have too many good players?

Glad that he caught on somewhere, and I'm sure Dru and Condell are chuffed to have another weapon.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

If Bailey would have taken a min contract,I think Walters, MOS and Buck would have felt like we were ripping him off.  Now that he's on a PR, it does change everything from that aspect.

Pretty sure he helps us on the field and in the room.  Does it put Johnson back a bit?  Sure, but he's on a 2 year ELC, no?  And yes, Lucky was a happy surprise, but not the same role as Sheed.  And Clecius/Wolitarski are good Sheed type players, but can it hurt to have too many good players?

Glad that he caught on somewhere, and I'm sure Dru and Condell are chuffed to have another weapon.

The mental gymnastics are willlldddddd.

Yes, that's toooootally why we didn't sign him. No one wanted to get "too good a deal".

[theaardvark]

The mental gymnastics are willlldddddd.

Yes, that's toooootally why we didn't sign him. No one wanted to get "too good a deal".

You know what I meant. And its been expressed before.  Having a guy in the dressing room that you drastically underpaid because he wants to play for your team, but is not independently wealthy and could use a paycheck commensurate for his value is a possible point of contention. 

Yes, we want to get players on "team friendly deals", and getting a culture/team discount is something that is a benefit of having a good team/culture. 

Bailey signed here last year at a discount, and we got full value from him.  Our cap situation would have meant offering him an insulting contract this year, as we had so many other options and had so much more invested above him, and the position he would fill here was far below his potential and ability.

Its one thing to sign a guy like Mack at an ELC and get far more out of him when he does great, and get "too good a deal".  Its another to sign a proven vet for far less than than he's worth.  And Bailey couldn't be signed for anywhere near his value, there just wasn't the cap space for the spot he'd take.

[Blue In BC]

Really bizarre that you just pull out L'Damian Washington as a comparable.

No one is developing "the next" L'Damian Washington. That doesn't even make sense.

There are plenty of guys who have tools but don't work out. There are some that do. You don't know until you try - that's the entire point.

Like Agudosi more recently. I hope Johnson is more productive than it appears. He may still be a keeper but I would like to see him targeted a couple more times a game.

Getting Woli back will open up space for some other options but it may also take away looks towards Johnson or Lucky?

I do like that we are throwing outside to Oliveria more. That pulls in the LB's and takes them out of rushing the QB as often.

[dd]

Bailey was never coming back here, he chose to sign elsewhere in the off season and the bombers moved on. Simple as that. No sense sitting the guys who chose to be here for one who chose not to and things didn't work out for him but now 'wants' to play here. Not buying that for a second. Good luck in Ottawa

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Bailey was never coming back here, he chose to sign elsewhere in the off season and the bombers moved on. Simple as that. No sense sitting the guys who chose to be here for one who chose not to and things didn't work out for him but now 'wants' to play here. Not buying that for a second. Good luck in Ottawa

He didn't sign with anyone in the off-season, what evidence can you show it was his choice not to sign with Wpg?

[ModAdmin]

He didn't sign with anyone in the off-season, what evidence can you show it was his choice not to sign with Wpg?

Agree. Everything I've heard was that he wanted to stay in Winnipeg.

[dd]

It was his choice to sign here, it was our choice not to sign him. Big difference. Walter's moved on and rightfully so

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

It was his choice to sign here, it was our choice not to sign him. Big difference. Walter's moved on and rightfully so

Evidence?

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Evidence?

...He was unemployed for a whole bunch of weeks before signing on the PR in Ottawa?