Official Game Day Thread - Winnipeg at BC October 15, 2022

[Blue In BC]

His right foot was planted out of bounds before he picked up the ball, he wasn't rushed and deliberately pointed out his foot to the officials before he picked up the ball which had come to a stop. It was a rehearsed scenario well executed.

That's my point. The moment he was out of bounds, touching the ball after became illegal participation, penalty Lions. IMO the refs got the ruling wrong and this will need to be corrected for the rest of the season.  The fact he was or wasn't rushed has no particular bearing into what happened first.


It has no similarity to a receiver in the air on the sidelines going out of bounds before he has one foot touching down WHILE in control of the ball, including landing in control OB.

Touching OB first and then the ball is the definition of illegal participation. See below. This is the first rule the refs should have considered. A kick off is a live ball, hence a loose ball.

Article 8 ? Illegal Participation

It is illegal for a player of either team to go out of bounds, without contact with an opponent, and to reach back into or re-enter the field of play to touch or recover a loose ball.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

That's my point. The moment he was out of bounds, touching the ball after became illegal participation, penalty Lions. IMO the refs got the ruling wrong and this will need to be corrected for the rest of the season.  The fact he was or wasn't rushed has no particular bearing into what happened first.


It has no similarity to a receiver in the air on the sidelines going out of bounds before he has one foot touching down WHILE in control of the ball, including landing in control OB.

Touching OB first and then the ball is the definition of illegal participation. See below. This is the first rule the refs should have considered. A kick off is a live ball, hence a loose ball.

Article 8 ? Illegal Participation

It is illegal for a player of either team to go out of bounds, without contact with an opponent, and to reach back into or re-enter the field of play to touch or recover a loose ball.

It's been called that way before. So long as the catch and foot are close to simultaneous it's simply out of bounds. The analogy of a receiver doing the same thing is a good one. As long as it's not totally obvious then it's the way it's called.

[Blue In BC]

It's been called that way before. So long as the catch and foot are close to simultaneous it's simply out of bounds. The analogy of a receiver doing the same thing is a good one. As long as it's not totally obvious then it's the way it's called.

You don't think that Williams standing around and THEN touching OB and then the ball wasn't obvious? It's why everybody watching went WHAT THE HECK? We knew what he did immediately. We just didn't know why he did it. At best he might have been hoping the ball would roll OB.

Again it has zero similarity to your receiver example. The receiver is attempting to catch and secure the ball. Just touching the ball by placing your hand on top of it? Nope. Don't buy your concept at all.

So we'll have to agree to disagree at this point.

[TBURGESS]

That's my point. The moment he was out of bounds, touching the ball after became illegal participation, penalty Lions. IMO the refs got the ruling wrong and this will need to be corrected for the rest of the season.  The fact he was or wasn't rushed has no particular bearing into what happened first.


It has no similarity to a receiver in the air on the sidelines going out of bounds before he has one foot touching down WHILE in control of the ball, including landing in control OB.

Touching OB first and then the ball is the definition of illegal participation. See below. This is the first rule the refs should have considered. A kick off is a live ball, hence a loose ball.

Article 8 ? Illegal Participation

It is illegal for a player of either team to go out of bounds, without contact with an opponent, and to reach back into or re-enter the field of play to touch or recover a loose ball.

He didn't "reach back into" or "re-enter the field". He placed one foot outta bounds and then touched the ball. Because he was outta bounds, the ball was outta bounds.

It's exactly the same as a receiver with one foot out touching the ball. Control of the ball has nothing to do with it. Catching the ball has nothing to do with it. Jumping in the air has nothing to do with it. Foot out = OOB.

Update:
Receiver runs a hook pattern at the sidelines. When he catches the ball, one heal is on the OOB line. I think we can all agree, he's outta bounds & no illegal participation.

Same play, but the ball bounces off the receivers arms and the DB takes it to the house. No TD because the ball touching an OOB player means the play is over & no illegal participation.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

You don't think that Williams standing around and THEN touching OB and then the ball wasn't obvious? It's why everybody watching went WHAT THE HECK? We knew what he did immediately. We just didn't know why he did it. At best he might have been hoping the ball would roll OB.

So we'll have to agree to disagree at this point.

It's pretty obvious BC knew a penalty would be called in that situation and Leggs would have to move 15 yds. further back and kick it again, hoping for a worse kick or better return.