2023 Free Agency Transactions - Other Teams
Opens at 12 noon ET February 14, 2023
Other teams' player announcements and discussions will be in this thread. CFL Free Agency chart follows...
https://www.cfl.ca/fa23
East Division MOP Geno Lewis signs with the Elks; league's highest paid non-QB at $320k per season.
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/14/edmonton-elks-make-all-star-receiver-eugene-lewis-cfls-highest-paid-non-qb/
Elks also signed WR Steven Dunbar Jr., who was an East Div All Star in 2022.
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/07/edmonton-elks-agree-to-terms-with-all-star-receiver-steven-dunbar-jr/
Justin Dunk also reporting that the Elks have signed former Riders WR Kyran Moore.
Something tells me the Elks are not going to miss Lawler.
*uopdate*
Elks also signed former 2016 1st round draft pick Josiah St. John. Meh.
Juwan Brescacin headed to Saskatchewan Roughriders.
Montreal signs Ellingson for 1 year, making up for losing Lewis.
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/14/montreal-alouettes-sign-veteran-cfl-receiver-greg-ellingson/
Also, Justin Dunk is reporting that former Bomber C Michael Couture has signed with his hometown Lions for 2 years. Best of luck in BC!
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
2m
QB Caleb Evans to @MTLAlouettes
to be Cody Fajardo's backup.
Justin Dunk
@JDunk12
19h
Back to Saskatchewan: Roughriders agree to terms with veteran defensive lineman Micah Johnson
Quote from: VictorRomano on February 14, 2023, 04:45:41 PM
Montreal signs Ellingson for 1 year, making up for losing Lewis.
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/14/montreal-alouettes-sign-veteran-cfl-receiver-greg-ellingson/
Also, Justin Dunk is reporting that former Bomber C Michael Couture has signed with his hometown Lions for 2 years. Best of luck in BC!
Wow, that's 15K more then Lawler received last year. The Lawler deal looking good for the Bombers.
Phillip Blake to the Riders... Harris might be a little happy for that... still a long way to go on the Oline...
Quote from: ModAdmin on February 14, 2023, 04:53:31 PM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
2m
QB Caleb Evans to @MTLAlouettes
to be Cody Fajardo's backup.
Would love to have seen Evans apprentice under Collaros, still think there is a chance for him to evolve into a starting QB. Don't see that happening in Mtl.
Couture has signed a two year deal with the BC Lions
CFL Headlines
@CFL_Headlines
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27m
Argos Ink American Folarin Orimolade: TORONTO ? The Toronto Argonauts Football Club announced today the team has signed American DL Folarin Orimolade
BC LIONS
@BCLions
Another Dom in the house
#BCLions add veteran free agent quarterback @D_DavisECU (Dominique Davis)
Davis has suited up in over 100 career games and threw for 253 yards and three touchdowns in a relief role with Montreal last season
Quote from: Pigskin on February 14, 2023, 05:01:59 PM
Wow, that's 15K more then Lawler received last year. The Lawler deal looking good for the Bombers.
The number listed in the article was from 2019.
Doesn't say how much this deal is for.
Ottawa REDBLACKS
@REDBLACKS
We've signed DB, Cariel Brooks (former Ticat).
Former Bomber (and Ticat) Jovan Santos-Knox as the new MLB in Ottawa.
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Dominant defensive addition arriving in Calgary.
The @calstampeders have signed DL, Julian Howsare (former Ticat).
Quote from: VictorRomano on February 14, 2023, 06:05:09 PM
Former Bomber (and Ticat) Jovan Santos-Knox as the new MLB in Ottawa.
Santos-Knox was excellent for the Ticats the last two seasons. 177 DT, 2 sacks, 1 Int, 1 FF.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 14, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
Santos-Knox was excellent for the Ticats the last two seasons. 177 DT, 2 sacks, 1 Int, 1 FF.
I'm hoping the Bombers can bring him back home once Bighill retires, always loved his play.
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
39m
Hearing the @GoElks have signed former @BCLions Kevin Francis to deal. Led the @CFL last season in special teams tackles. #CFL #Elks
WR Shaq Evans signs with OTT (per their official Twitter account).
So it looks like the Elks have East Division All Star Steven Dunbar Jr., East MOP Eugene Lewis, Dillon Mitchell, and Manny Arceneaux at receiver, along with signing former NFL 3rd rounder Sammie Coates. They're almost as stacked as the Bombers. Should be some great games vs Winnipeg this year.
Elks have also looked to have sighed Moore from Sask, like usual Jones goes overboard
So, Lewis is the Elks highest paid player...
Cornelius is getting $238k/yr...
When was the last time that happened? I guess last year with Rourke? But other than that...
Quote from: VictorRomano on February 14, 2023, 08:43:06 PM
So it looks like the Elks have East Division All Star Steven Dunbar Jr., East MOP Eugene Lewis, Dillon Mitchell, and Manny Arceneaux at receiver, along with signing former NFL 3rd rounder Sammie Coates. They're almost as stacked as the Bombers. Should be some great games vs Winnipeg this year.
I'll be surprised if Manny isn't a healthy scratch most weeks. I have their starting receivers as Lewis, Mitchell, Dunbar, Moore and Random Canadian.
SK receivers are looking thin. Weineke, Schafer-Baker, Shawn Bane, Leinius, and Brescanin? It wouldn't surprise me if Rasheed Bailey or Derek Walker end up on that roster.
About 40 players changed teams. Some big names left on the free agent list but big money has been spent. No idea where a few of these players will end up after this changing of the guard across rosters.
Quote from: the paw on February 14, 2023, 09:42:50 PM
I'll be surprised if Manny isn't a healthy scratch most weeks. I have their starting receivers as Lewis, Mitchell, Dunbar, Moore and Random Canadian.
SK receivers are looking thin. Weineke, Schafer-Baker, Shawn Bane, Leinius, and Brescanin? It wouldn't surprise me if Rasheed Bailey or Derek Walker end up on that roster.
Walker is in Hamilton...
Still no one for Bailey eh?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 14, 2023, 10:38:24 PM
Still no one for Bailey eh?
he?ll be in the second wave. Probably Calgary or maybe Montreal
Quote from: kkc60 on February 14, 2023, 10:44:06 PM
he?ll be in the second wave. Probably Calgary or maybe Montreal
I doubt Calgary FA WR signings are not there style. I can see Sask overpaying for his services though.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 14, 2023, 10:36:40 PM
Walker is in Hamilton...
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Duke Williams? I don't see anything about Walker on TiCats twitter feed.
Quote from: the paw on February 14, 2023, 10:56:48 PM
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Duke Williams? I don't see anything about Walker on TiCats twitter feed.
Yup.. I stand corrected...
How about the Lemonator to add to our Dline?
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2023, 12:38:54 AM
Yup.. I stand corrected...
How about the Lemonator to add to our Dline?
that would be a really good signing if it can be afforded. Keeps Jefferson and Jeffcoat fresh and would mean consistent pressure on the QB, something we didn?t have last year
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2023, 12:38:54 AM
Yup.. I stand corrected...
How about the Lemonator to add to our Dline?
Too old and too expensive I'd think. Team needs to get younger, not older.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2023, 12:38:54 AM
Yup.. I stand corrected...
How about the Lemonator to add to our Dline?
pass
Quote from: the paw on February 14, 2023, 10:56:48 PM
Are you sure you aren't thinking of Duke Williams? I don't see anything about Walker on TiCats twitter feed.
Funny, I also constantly get Darrel Walker and Duke Williams mixed up.
Both superstar receivers who got their start catching passes from Reilly in his glory days in EDM (IIRC). I believe once Walker moved on (NFL stint?), Duke slid in and was almost a carbon copy in terms of impact on the big play and it took me a whole season several years ago to realize they were different players. lol.
LB Sankey to the XFL, signs with the Arlington Renegades.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
LB Sankey to the XFL, signs with the Arlington Renegades.
Can someone find some solid info on actual wages players are making in the XFL/ USFL. all i can find is minimum contracts of roughly $55,000 with $5,000 bonuses per win. I also read somewhere Brett Hundley was being paid $200,000 to play QB and that was the highest salary in the league.
Yes i also know this in USD so that is more enticing to lure some of our CFL players away.
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on February 15, 2023, 04:42:47 PM
Can someone find some solid info on actual wages players are making in the XFL/ USFL. all i can find is minimum contracts of roughly $55,000 with $5,000 bonuses per win. I also read somewhere Brett Hundley was being paid $200,000 to play QB and that was the highest salary in the league.
Yes i also know this in USD so that is more enticing to lure some of our CFL players away.
Article I saw showed 2023 wages as $59k base, plus $5k per gamr, plus $1000 for each game won.
So for a 10 game season on a.500 club, you would earn $114k. So for Sankey its about the same money for 8 fewer games. They get free room and board, plus there is the exchange rate to consider.
I don't know if they have a higher rate for QBs
Great move for Sankey, it will put him on NFL radar a lot better, and he's a guy that can make that jump. IIRC, his big negative was coverage, not sure that's as big a thing for an NFL LB...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2023, 04:51:46 PM
Great move for Sankey, it will put him on NFL radar a lot better, and he's a guy that can make that jump. IIRC, his big negative was coverage, not sure that's as big a thing for an NFL LB...
Not sure I'd label it a great move. It could be prudent if he feels he's worth more than any team, the Riders* included, was willing to give him. The XFL just seems like a last resort where there's similar money but also the ability to play football in his home country and being paid in USD.
He's 28 years old and spent the better part of five seasons bouncing around the NFL on practice rosters for as many teams.
He's not on any NFL team's radar, IMO. That ship sailed a while ago.
*
SSK reportedly offered him $160K, so the difference in pay with him signing in the XFL could be negligible once the exchange rate, housing, travel costs, etc. are factored into the equation
Quote from: the paw on February 15, 2023, 04:50:17 PM
Article I saw showed 2023 wages as $59k base, plus $5k per gamr, plus $1000 for each game won.
So for a 10 game season on a.500 club, you would earn $114k. So for Sankey its about the same money for 8 fewer games. They get free room and board, plus there is the exchange rate to consider.
I don't know if they have a higher rate for QBs
I think those benefits will draw many players who have never played in the CFL before that just want to get paid to play pro football, it's an easier option. For players who have established themselves in the CFL they may not want to throw away the foothold they've gained by taking a chance on an unknown career choice. If the two leagues thrive and it comes down to a dollar for dollar battle, the CFL could well find itself as the 3rd best option.
I think any move the Bombers make now will be a player that the Bombers could get for near the CFL minimum.I would sign Mercy Maston. I am not sure he has fully recovered from his injuries but if he hasn't he could be released in training camp.If he has recovered he would be a steal at the CFL minimum.
Quote from: bwiser on February 15, 2023, 05:51:56 PM
I think any move the Bombers make now will be a player that the Bombers could get for near the CFL minimum.I would sign Mercy Maston. I am not sure he has fully recovered from his injuries but if he hasn't he could be released in training camp.If he has recovered he would be a steal at the CFL minimum.
No thanks. Maston is done. Unfortunate but he is done.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2023, 04:31:19 PM
LB Sankey to the XFL, signs with the Arlington Renegades.
Crazy. Have fun playing to stadiums with less fans than TOR Argos.
Sankey was easily good enough to be a mid/top player in the CFL and get paid a good wage. SSK really liked him, and the fans liked him.
I think he made a dumb decision and will be bringing his tucked-tail back to the CFL in short order; probably when the XFL goes the way of the AAF.
Quote from: bwiser on February 15, 2023, 05:51:56 PM
I think any move the Bombers make now will be a player that the Bombers could get for near the CFL minimum.I would sign Mercy Maston. I am not sure he has fully recovered from his injuries but if he hasn't he could be released in training camp.If he has recovered he would be a steal at the CFL minimum.
I would sign both Maston and Taylor if no other teams bite and they still want to play. Give them ELC + 10k each year of service on a 1yr. If they take that, what do you have to lose? If they get injured again you 6-game them and lose nothing, roster-wise.
However, I bet if both players are healed they will be thinking they are worth closer to their old salaries and thus might find it hard to find teams willing to take them. They need to understand they need to prove to the league they will get through a year injury-free.
I kind of hate the way the CFL treats DBs... chews them up and spits them out because they are in vast abundance. Even though the above can make sense, I doubt we make an offer. However, they could make great "Denmark" couch-sitters we can dial up if we get too many injuries in-season.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 15, 2023, 06:28:27 PM
No thanks. Maston is done. Unfortunate but he is done.
We don't know that until he tries out for the team. If he is done release him and it doesn't cost anything. If he can still play we get a solid player for cheap.
Quote from: bwiser on February 15, 2023, 07:07:15 PM
We don't know that until he tries out for the team. If he is done release him and it doesn't cost anything. If he can still play we get a solid player for cheap.
Pretty sure KW indicated they were not expecting neither Matson or Taylor to return to the team.
Looking at the moves the Ti-cats are making so far, they are loading up specifically on D. I guess they are going all in for a home GC game for themselves.
Quote from: ModAdmin on February 15, 2023, 07:12:09 PM
Pretty sure KW indicated they were not expecting neither Matson or Taylor to return to the team.
Yes, he did, he spelled it out. However, that could be because he thinks they will get better offers elsewhere so he doesn't want to insult them. If/when their phones are silent, KW could swoop in and make a "if you really want to play" "it's all we can afford" offer. That saves face for everyone. You never know...
Quote from: Horseman on February 15, 2023, 07:13:35 PM
Looking at the moves the Ti-cats are making so far, they are loading up specifically on D. I guess they are going all in for a home GC game for themselves.
Yes, there DL is stacked. I am wondering if they would make a trade with us for Mason Bennett.
Quote from: ModAdmin on February 15, 2023, 07:12:09 PM
Pretty sure KW indicated they were not expecting neither Matson or Taylor to return to the team.
If these two didn't see the end coming, they ain't thinking straight.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 15, 2023, 07:15:02 PM
Yes, he did, he spelled it out. However, that could be because he thinks they will get better offers elsewhere so he doesn't want to insult them. If/when their phones are silent, KW could swoop in and make a "if you really want to play" "it's all we can afford" offer. That saves face for everyone. You never know...
Exactly!
Jordan Herdman-Reed back to BC. In the last two season he's only played 17 games, with 1 DT, and 6 ST.
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/15/montreal-alouettes-acquire-canadian-ol-jesse-gibbon-in-trade-with-edmonton-elks/
About 10 or so players signing in either the XFL or USFL this week. Shorter seasons in their home country and similar money for some of these players.
Mayala, Sindani, Kelly, Sankey to name a few I didn't expect to leave the CFL. I wonder if they are getting 1 year deals and come back to the CFL in 2023?
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 16, 2023, 01:18:35 PM
About 10 or so players signing in either the XFL or USFL this week. Shorter seasons in their home country and similar money for some of these players.
Mayala, Sindani, Kelly, Sankey to name a few I didn't expect to leave the CFL. I wonder if they are getting 1 year deals and come back to the CFL in 2023?
Pretty tough playing about 26 games in one season. Can't see a guy being effective late in the CFL season.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 16, 2023, 02:19:44 PM
Pretty tough playing about 36 games in one season. Can't see a guy being effective late in the CFL season.
USFL is only a 10 game season but your point is valid. USFL starts in April. XFL starts this weekend. That said some of those players joined CFL teams in 2022 and a few more in the NFL. Not all were starters, but they made rosters and double dipped with paychecks.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 16, 2023, 02:49:46 PM
USFL is only a 10 game season but your point is valid. USFL starts in April. XFL starts this weekend. That said some of those players joined CFL teams in 2022 and a few more in the NFL. Not all were starters, but they made rosters and double dipped with paychecks.
Sorry, I was thinking 26 games. 26 is still a lot of football in one year. Players are having a hard time making it injury free for 18 games.
It would be interesting to see which players, played in both leagues. And what positions they played.
I wonder if Bailey will end up in the USFL / XFL... love to see him here, just can't see how the expectations / roster / SMS end up working...
Ticats re-sign LB Simoni Lawrence.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 16, 2023, 04:12:49 PM
Sorry, I was thinking 26 games. 26 is still a lot of football in one year. Players are having a hard time making it injury free for 18 games.
It would be interesting to see which players, played in both leagues. And what positions they played.
It's easier for these USFL players in spring leagues to go to the NFL. There is a longer time between the end of their season and the beginning of the NFL season. From what I saw on google, there were 15 players from the USFL that ended up on NFL rosters. Dallas Cowboys returner Turpin for one.
The XFL finishes even earlier. I think Agudosi was in the XFL before joining the Bombers.
Lions add ex Bomber DB Mike Jones. Whitehead, Sayles, Richardson, Couture and now Jones. I see a pattern here. lol
don't forget Chungh as well!
Hamilton's DL. Wynn, Williams, Wilcots, Ward, Mulumba, Laurent, Bennett, Boateng, Carney, Crawford, Davis, Diallo, Federico.
Domagala and Antigha sign with the Elks.
Who are they? lol!
Quote from: Pigskin on February 16, 2023, 09:10:53 PM
Hamilton's DL. Wynn, Williams, Wilcots, Ward, Mulumba, Laurent, Bennett, Boateng, Carney, Crawford, Davis, Diallo, Federico.
Maybe they'll drop Wilcots and the Bombers can re-sign him, there should be some fallout, can't keep them all.
https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-argonauts-re-sign-grey-cup-mop-henoc-muamba-1.1921864?tsn-amp=
MBT heads to the USFL.
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Quote from: BlueInCgy on February 22, 2023, 03:50:27 PM
MBT heads to the USFL.
Not really a surprise. The Argos were spending money in free agency as though they knew his salary would be off the books. Obviously they might try to trade for somebody ( Danes ) but that may not be possible.
If Kelly ends up as their starting QB, then that's somewhat similar to the Lions with Rourke on an ELC deal. I was never a big fan of MBT ( Mr Turnover ) but this hurts the Argos IMO.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 22, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Not really a surprise. The Argos were spending money in free agency as though they knew his salary would be off the books. Obviously they might try to trade for somebody ( Danes ) but that may not be possible.
If Kelly ends up as their starting QB, then that's somewhat similar to the Lions with Rourke on an ELC deal. I was never a big fan of MBT ( Mr Turnover ) but this hurts the Argos IMO.
"Paging Dane Evans, Dane Evans please report the the Argos head office." I must say Pinball was far too passive in these negotiations, he should have forced MBT to make up his mind if he was coming back or not months ago instead of letting it slide. MBT will be quickly forgotten, not a player they could ever build a good marketing campaign around.
While I am not a huge MBT fan, this IMO drops T.O out of the running for first in the East. I don't think Kelly will be a good QB in the CFL.
Mr Rourke take notes, this is how you write a thank you message. (quoted from 3downnation article)
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/22/mcleod-bethel-thompson-says-hes-signed-with-usfl-hopes-to-attract-nfl-opportunity/ (https://3downnation.com/2023/02/22/mcleod-bethel-thompson-says-hes-signed-with-usfl-hopes-to-attract-nfl-opportunity/)
QuoteThe 34-year-old took to his Instagram page on Wednesday morning to reveal that he has signed with the New Orleans Breakers of the USFL and is hoping to use the opportunity to garner another shot at the NFL.
Dear CFL,
I came to you 5 years ago dealing with the pain of a dream deferred. I was at a moment in my life where I felt I had self sabotaged my childhood dream away by losing sight of why I played the game. For 5 years you tested me, challenged me, battered me, doubted me, cheered me, healed me, strengthened me, crowned me, and freed me. Through that process you rejuvenated my sporting soul and I will forever be grateful.
You are under appreciated. The 3 down game is under appreciated. Your amazing population of participants are under appreciated. You have one of the longest and most storied histories of any sports league in North America and guess what your present is pretty great too. Week in and week out a miraculous and engaging product is on display. It was an honor and a privilege to get to know you.
I want to thank all my teammates, coaches, mentors, friends, and colleagues that have made my last 5 years magical. I have been on multiple championship teams and multiple teams that couldn?t find a way to win consistently. The difference is inches of play, teamwork, brotherhood, trust, and love. However, every year I became a better person and player. Thank you for chiseling me into my better self.
Now on to 2023. What is the hardest part of playing football? The time you sacrifice with loved ones. My amazing partner Chinaka, daughter Aziza, and my whole family have given me space to partake in the insanity it requires to pursue perfection. It is time I stay closer to home and chase my dream with family by my side.
My next journey begins with the New Orleans Breakers of the USFL and will then continue with considerable NFL interest this fall. I do not want this decision to be in any way seen as a dismissal of the XFL. I love the CFL and hold it in the highest regard. Playing in the states this year allows family and football to overlap and I could not pass up on that opportunity.
Please take good care of yourself and continue to display the pinnacle of what sport is all about.
Thank you and much love,
McLeod
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 22, 2023, 04:40:51 PM
"Paging Dane Evans, Dane Evans please report the the Argos head office." I must say Pinball was far too passive in these negotiations, he should have forced MBT to make up his mind if he was coming back or not months ago instead of letting it slide. MBT will be quickly forgotten, not a player they could ever build a good marketing campaign around.
I don't think pushing Bethel Thompson for a decision would have improved the Argos situation any. They are going to give Chad Kelly every chance to be the man. I think they will definitely pick up Dane Evans once the TiCats cut him loose, but they don't have to give up any assets to get him. There are no teams left that are going to be willing to pick up Evans existing contract, so everyone is going to wait for the release.
Quote from: the paw on February 22, 2023, 05:01:46 PM
I don't think pushing Bethel Thompson for a decision would have improved the Argos situation any. They are going to give Chad Kelly every chance to be the man. I think they will definitely pick up Dane Evans once the TiCats cut him loose, but they don't have to give up any assets to get him. There are no teams left that are going to be willing to pick up Evans existing contract, so everyone is going to wait for the release.
The Ti-Cats could re-negotiate his contract so it's not guaranteed he's released outright. OTOH, if is released then other teams could have interests in his services so signing in Toronto is not guaranteed either.
So the Argos could trade for his rights on a conditional basis that he re-negotiates his current contract. I can't see Danes accepting that either way and forcing an outright release as possible.
The plot thickens but this could drop the Argos in the standings and push the Ti-Cats higher.
Yes very nice exit meeting from MBT. He was always a class act if not had slightly strange comments here and there.
It will be interesting to see how successful he actually is in that step down league.
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/22/mcleod-bethel-thompson-says-hes-signed-with-usfl-hopes-to-attract-nfl-opportunity/
Very pleased by his comments on exit. Much classier than some...
I think the Argos are stronger with MBT gone... Kelly is going to be one to watch, I think. And now they can spend a bit more on his "backup"... will be interesting to see if MBT can make the Breakers... hopefully he shows well, if he can't make the team, what comments will be made about the CFL/USFL leel of play... GC champ can't make a USFL squad...
Ticats may be smart to hold on to Evans for a bit, if Toronto won't pay a price. Based on recent years it may be likely another team will be in need to replace an injured qb. Why do anything to help your direct competitor
Quote from: Pete on February 22, 2023, 06:44:58 PM
Ticats may be smart to hold on to Evans for a bit, if Toronto won't pay a price. Based on recent years it may be likely another team will be need to replace an injured qb. Why do anything to help your direct competitor
I believe if they hold him till T.C. they're going to have to pay him a sizeable bonus, better to take what they can't get or cut bait soon.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 22, 2023, 06:48:39 PM
I believe if they hold him till T.C. they're going to have to pay him a sizeable bonus, better to take what they can't get or cut bait soon.
Roster bonuses are almost always due in the off-season well before camp. They protect veteran players somewhat from being released right before camp when everyone has already spent their SMS. The idea is that teams commit to at least giving them a chance in TC.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 22, 2023, 06:28:23 PM
Very pleased by his comments on exit. Much classier than some...
I think the Argos are stronger with MBT gone... Kelly is going to be one to watch, I think. And now they can spend a bit more on his "backup"... will be interesting to see if MBT can make the Breakers... hopefully he shows well, if he can't make the team, what comments will be made about the CFL/USFL leel of play... GC champ can't make a USFL squad...
Disagree losing MBT will hurt the Argos in the short term but I hope they can quickly develop or sign a new QB. MBT had a good year. Hard to replace and hard to get the new guy up to speed quick.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on February 22, 2023, 03:50:27 PM
MBT heads to the USFL.
Bizarro world. What is he going to make there? Surely not as much as starting CFL QB money.
For NFL looks? Uh, doesn't he realize NFL is watching CFL like a hawk to steal all our best players? If he was NFL material he would have been snatched up before. And isn't he one of the oldsters now? What does the NFL want with that?
Dumb. He should have retired on top while he had the chance.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 22, 2023, 06:28:23 PM
I think the Argos are stronger with MBT gone... Kelly is going to be one to watch, I think.
Kelly will get eviscerated by good D's, like ours. He looked good "pulling a Streveler" in the GC. That's it, that's all.
He won't be even half as good as Rourke was, and Rourke was the first time a rookie QB looked that good in forever. It will take a miracle for Kelly to look half as good as MBT. (He won't be a complete bust, but he'll take time to develop like Cornelius did.)
TOR made a big mistake and will pay for it... unless they have someone other than Kelly up their sleeve.
So it'll likely be WPG/HAM in GC 2023. And the East will be mostly garbage all season, yet again. Sigh. I'll be pulling for OTT, love to see WPG/OTT GC.
Argos are weaker with Bethel-Thompson gone.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2023, 05:50:25 AM
Argos are weaker with Bethel-Thompson gone.
100% agree. He was the QB that got them to the Grey Cup.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 23, 2023, 04:08:26 AM
Bizarro world. What is he going to make there? Surely not as much as starting CFL QB money.
For NFL looks? Uh, doesn't he realize NFL is watching CFL like a hawk to steal all our best players? If he was NFL material he would have been snatched up before. And isn't he one of the oldsters now? What does the NFL want with that?
Dumb. He should have retired on top while he had the chance.
His partner is a show runner for MCU. He doesn?t need the money. But he gets to play two hours from where she and their child are and see them every night.
What is a show runner and what is MCU?
Quote from: Horseman on February 23, 2023, 03:32:31 PM
What is a show runner and what is MCU?
She works for Marvel. She is very well paid.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on February 23, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
His partner is a show runner for MCU. He doesn?t need the money. But he gets to play two hours from where she and their child are and see them every night.
I think it was a perfect time for him to move on. 35, Grey Cup in his back pocket, and opportunity to play closer to home.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 23, 2023, 04:08:26 AM
Bizarro world. What is he going to make there? Surely not as much as starting CFL QB money.
For NFL looks? Uh, doesn't he realize NFL is watching CFL like a hawk to steal all our best players? If he was NFL material he would have been snatched up before. And isn't he one of the oldsters now? What does the NFL want with that?
Dumb. He should have retired on top while he had the chance.
Personal family matters are likely more important to him than finishing his career with the Argos. He will be playing within a two hour drive to be with his wife and daughter.
Closer to family makes sense. But to think he still has a chance at making the NFL it is a pipe dream from Mars. :D
He probably consulted his ancestors and that's their advice so I cant fault him. ;D
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 23, 2023, 04:09:55 PM
Closer to family makes sense. But to think he still has a chance at making the NFL it is a pipe dream from Mars. :D
Agree.
It's nice that he was able to get a lot of reps up here, make some $ and now can enter the next phase of his career. A good QB that some were too hard on here. He served up some nice bird last fall.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 22, 2023, 08:55:42 PM
Roster bonuses are almost always due in the off-season well before camp. They protect veteran players somewhat from being released right before camp when everyone has already spent their SMS. The idea is that teams commit to at least giving them a chance in TC.
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@daneevans9
is under contract to the #Ticats. And because he doesn't have an off season bonus in his contract, there's nothing from preventing the Ticats from keeping him under contract until the day before training camp starts." -
@TSNDaveNaylor
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 23, 2023, 06:36:25 PM
REBUTTAL:
@daneevans9
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Good to know. Although that's not a rebuttal, really. He just doesn't have an off-season bonus. If he did, it wouldn't be days before training camp but sometime just prior to free agency, usually.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 23, 2023, 07:03:42 PM
Good to know. Although that's not a rebuttal, really. He just doesn't have an off-season bonus. If he did, it wouldn't be days before training camp but sometime just prior to free agency, usually.
For clarity, he has a sizeable "report and pass" bonus. So, the TiCats can't simply force him to restructure or let this drag on into the season.
At the same time, you are 100% correct that many agents set the off season bonuses for early in the calendar year, prior to start of free agency, in order to force clubs to reveal their hands. I suspect if Evans agent had wanted a Feb 1 off season bonus, it would have been a lower amount than the report and pass that they got. You pays your money, you takes your chances...
I am not sure if being on the market earlier would have helped Dane Evans in this particular year. It might have made him a candidate for the Als, but not likely for the Riders. As it is, it had delayed things until MBTs intentions crystallized, and left him as the only viable experienced competition for Kelly. If Dinwiddie means it, then Evans can negotiate a decent contract with the Argos, as they likely have the cap space vacated by MBT. If he isn't seen as a potential starter by the Argos, then he hasn't really hurt himself in the secondary market as an experienced #2 in Calgary, BC, Regina.
https://www.cfl.ca/2023/02/23/lions-acquire-qb-dane-evans-in-trade-with-ticats/
Could be the change of scenery needed.
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on February 23, 2023, 04:02:46 PM
Personal family matters are likely more important to him than finishing his career with the Argos. He will be playing within a two hour drive to be with his wife and daughter.
Oh, ya, it's more like retirement with a consulting job taking up a few weeks. Makes sense.
What I'm hoping is that the announcers in that league will talk up the CFL the GC a lot. CFL normally would get a tiny mention, but the GC winner aspect should garner quite a few talking points.
So MBT gone and Dane to BC....I really don't like T.O's chances now. IMO Kelly is too raw and maybe not even good enough. I just don't get T.O's though process with QB, the rest of the roster looks pretty good, oh well....
I predict they could even fall to 3rd in the East with Kelly
LOL! America is a big place. Seemingly a number of Americans don't know much about Canada, never mind the CFL. I don't see MBT making much of an impact, especially at his age. He is much more suited with the Argos. Tell his wife to move. :)
Lions sign Lemon. I didn't particularly see that coming but so be it. Overall waiting for some sort of shoe to drop as Lions adjust their roster to meet the SMS. Obviously the real count against SMS starts when final cuts are made. SMS after adding in Dane could require an adjustment somewhere.
Lions currently have 18 or 19 DL listed on their roster. Several vets are in the higher priced SMS level. Someone might break free ( released )?
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 26, 2023, 05:16:36 PM
Lions sign Lemon. I didn't particularly see that coming but so be it. Overall waiting for some sort of shoe to drop as Lions adjust their roster to meet the SMS. Obviously the real count against SMS starts when final cuts are made. SMS after adding in Dane could require an adjustment somewhere.
Lions currently have 18 or 19 DL listed on their roster. Several vets are in the higher priced SMS level. Someone might break free ( released )?
I don't think the BC Lions have cap problems. Vernon Adams was already on a very team-friendly deal, and Evans has renegotiated his contract already, commensurate with a #2 spot. They also had Burnham retire. Lucky Whitehead's deal was front loaded I believe, so the hit is less this year than last. They also let 3 significant players walk in free agency who would have been asking for raises: Jordan Williams, Butler and Figueroa.
As far as their DL, they have a surplus of DEs. In the interior there is really only Fox, Banks, Richardson and DeBaillie, who is Global.
Quote from: the paw on February 26, 2023, 07:13:04 PM
I don't think the BC Lions have cap problems. Vernon Adams was already on a very team-friendly deal, and Evans has renegotiated his contract already, commensurate with a #2 spot. They also had Burnham retire. Lucky Whitehead's deal was front loaded I believe, so the hit is less this year than last. They also let 3 significant players walk in free agency who would have been asking for raises: Jordan Williams, Butler and Figueroa.
As far as their DL, they have a surplus of DEs. In the interior there is really only Fox, Banks, Richardson and DeBaillie, who is Global.
Neither Adams or Evans are on anything near an ELC that Rourke and O'Conner were on in 2023. Richardson spent the entire 2022 season on the 6 game IR taking SMS hit off the books. Somewhat ditto for Baron who spent 12 games on 6 game IR.
I'm not sure where you got that Adams was on a cap friendly deal. IIRC he re-negotiated after Rourke departed based on being the starter not the # 2. Either way, it's not a bottom barrel deal.
Couture, Mike Jones and Lemon didn't come cheap. Many players that were potential free agents were re-signed ( 12 so far ) so that added to SMS. That included players like Chungh and TJ Lee.
They may not have many excess DT's but they'll still have too many extra DL overall for TC IMO.
No teams are over the cap today. Only advance money goes against the SMS at the moment. Not everybody on a given roster will make to or past declaration of final rosters. Some will start the season on 6 game IR.
My point being is that the Lions will have to deal with some of these issues by the end of TC.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 26, 2023, 07:40:57 PM
Neither Adams or Evans are on anything near an ELC that Rourke and O'Conner were on in 2023. Richardson spent the entire 2022 season on the 6 game IR taking SMS hit off the books. Somewhat ditto for Baron who spent 12 games on 6 game IR.
I'm not sure where you got that Adams was on a cap friendly deal. IIRC he re-negotiated after Rourke departed based on being the starter not the # 2. Either way, it's not a bottom barrel deal.
Couture, Mike Jones and Lemon didn't come cheap. Many players that were potential free agents were re-signed ( 12 so far ) so that added to SMS. That included players like Chungh and TJ Lee.
They may not have many excess DT's but they'll still have too many extra DL overall for TC IMO.
No teams are over the cap today. Only advance money goes against the SMS at the moment. Not everybody on a given roster will make to or past declaration of final rosters. Some will start the season on 6 game IR.
My point being is that the Lions will have to deal with some of these issues by the end of TC.
Don't be obtuse. Adams restructured contract was reported in 3down. He is set to get $153k in hard money, and if he starts all 18 games, he raises that to $350k with $11k per game started bonuses. That is a team friendly rate for a QB no matter how you slice it. If your threshold for "team friendly" is league minimum, then this isn't a serious conversation.
Couture may have cost them a bit, but coming off a missed season, he surely didn't command his top price. Mike Jones is familiar to us, but there is nothing to indicate he got anything more than the going rate. And the length of time Lemon was twisting in the wind suggests that he probably did come cheap.
My first thought was that they might be wanting to dump Richardson and or Woody Baron this year as they were relatively expensive free agent acquisitions last year. But given how few players they have at DT, I don't see that as super likely. But yes, I agree they have a crapload of DE's and some will shake loose.
If I had to guess, Teuhema and Lemon rotate at one DE spot, and they will go Canadian at the other with Betts, Menard and Archibald.
the other factor for BC, because Lemon has been in the league 5 years he qualifies to be a nationalized american meaning they can designate him as such and he can sub in for up tp 49% of the snaps and be counted as a canadian. Meaning he can sub in for Menaud or betts and not have to worry about the ratio.
Quote from: the paw on February 26, 2023, 08:26:16 PM
Don't be obtuse. Adams restructured contract was reported in 3down. He is set to get $153k in hard money, and if he starts all 18 games, he raises that to $350k with $11k per game started bonuses. That is a team friendly rate for a QB no matter how you slice it. If your threshold for "team friendly" is league minimum, then this isn't a serious conversation.
Couture may have cost them a bit, but coming off a missed season, he surely didn't command his top price. Mike Jones is familiar to us, but there is nothing to indicate he got anything more than the going rate. And the length of time Lemon was twisting in the wind suggests that he probably did come cheap.
My first thought was that they might be wanting to dump Richardson and or Woody Baron this year as they were relatively expensive free agent acquisitions last year. But given how few players they have at DT, I don't see that as super likely. But yes, I agree they have a crapload of DE's and some will shake loose.
If I had to guess, Teuhema and Lemon rotate at one DE spot, and they will go Canadian at the other with Betts, Menard and Archibald.
Which part of the fact that both Rourke and O'Conner were on minimum ELC's don't you understand? Last year that would have been about $64k each. So Adams alone will earn nearly $275K more than either one of them. Add in Evans and even if he takes a massive drop to $150K that's another $85K increase. So even with what you want to call a team friendly deal, it's still probably $350K more than what their top 2 QB's got in 2022.
How much of a trim did Evans take anyway? I imagine Davis may not survive getting to TC. As a veteran he probably equal SMS to whatever Pipkin was giving, so that might be a wash but he may have gotten more as a # 2 QB when he was initially signed. That changed when Evans was acquired.
Sure for the overall group it's probably less than what the Bombers pay Collaros. Doesn't change the impact to their SMS from 2022 to 2023.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 26, 2023, 09:37:50 PM
Which part of the fact that both Rourke and O'Conner were on minimum ELC's don't you understand? Last year that would have been about $64k each. So Adams alone will earn nearly $275K more than either one of them. Add in Evans and even if he takes a massive drop to $150K that's another $85K increase. So even with what you want to call a team friendly deal, it's still probably $350K more than what their top 2 QB's got in 2022.
How much of a trim did Evans take anyway? I imagine Davis may not survive getting to TC. As a veteran he probably equal SMS to whatever Pipkin was giving, so that might be a wash but he may have gotten more as a # 2 QB when he was initially signed. That changed when Evans was acquired.
Sure for the overall group it's probably less than what the Bombers pay Collaros. Doesn't change the impact to their SMS from 2022 to 2023.
Rourke would have been at $80k if we are splitting hairs, if there was ever a draft pick who qualified for the maximum bonuses available on the "A" grid for rookies it would be Rourke. And O'Connor was on his third contract, so he wasn't bound by the CBA ELC.
I don't know what kind of deal Evans signed, but its possibly virtually the same as Adams. If so, because they only pay the games started bonus to one guy per game, their total for both QBs is $506k. That's a good deal, and a saving over what Wpg or SK are paying for their top 2.
As noted earlier, I think they used up their Rourke "dividend" on front loading Lucky. They may have also had signing bonuses for Stove and Woody that still counted against the cap, but won't be on the books this year.
This isn't to say they haven't had to make sacrifices. Not signing Butler, Figueroa and trading Williams are concessions to affordability.
Quote from: the paw on February 26, 2023, 11:55:38 PM
Rourke would have been at $80k if we are splitting hairs, if there was ever a draft pick who qualified for the maximum bonuses available on the "A" grid for rookies it would be Rourke. And O'Connor was on his third contract, so he wasn't bound by the CBA ELC.
I don't know what kind of deal Evans signed, but its possibly virtually the same as Adams. If so, because they only pay the games started bonus to one guy per game, their total for both QBs is $506k. That's a good deal, and a saving over what Wpg or SK are paying for their top 2.
As noted earlier, I think they used up their Rourke "dividend" on front loading Lucky. They may have also had signing bonuses for Stove and Woody that still counted against the cap, but won't be on the books this year.
This isn't to say they haven't had to make sacrifices. Not signing Butler, Figueroa and trading Williams are concessions to affordability.
Rourke was drafted late in the 2nd round, 15th IIRC. Not sure why he'd be at $80K but he certainly wouldn't have a large bonus clause written into a deal when he was fighting to make the # 2 spot in 2021.
O'Connor might have gotten a little more than the ELC minimum but his value was debatable. There was no reason to give him much more than min.
I've already said that the 2023 QB's are a relatively good deal but the point was it's a giant jump from what their QB's earned in 2022. Even if Rourke and O'Connor both got $80K, that's a $300K jump. That takes other adjustments.
Rhymes also renegotiated his deal to $185K and several other potential free agents retained also got more. Rhymes extra cash probably the result of Burnham retiring.
Front end loading doesn't really change the value of the contracts. Players like Whitehead, Baron or Richardson might have gotten 30%-50% in advance of the 1st year deal total. It's not like they get a 50% reduction in year 2. There may be similar advance payments due to the tax advantage.
We'll see what additional roster adjustments the Lions make before and during TC.
QuoteAll Nationals will be required to sign a minimum 2 + 1 first contract and follow the salary grid at outlined below:
?A? Grid ? 1st or 2nd round C.F.L. Draft Choice
1st Year 2nd Year 3rd Year
Max. - Min. Salary $65,000 $65,000 Option year base salary to be negotiated -
not to exceed 10% more than the 2nd year base salary
From the CBA showing why Rourke's salary would be capped at 80K
Quote from: TBURGESS on February 27, 2023, 04:49:49 PM
From the CBA showing why Rourke's salary would be capped at 80K
And the reason for that makes sense. Canadian players are artificially worth more than a comparable American due to the rules so you need to keep them in better balance somehow. If you let the market play out without any mechanism to control Canadian costs, you'd have teams paying bigger money to draft picks right out of the gate. This would have repercussions at each extension as you'd see those Canadian salaries swell even larger. This would put even more downward pressure on American salaries because the pie is only so and at some point it would have a dramatic impact on the quality of the league.
Quote from: TBURGESS on February 27, 2023, 04:49:49 PM
From the CBA showing why Rourke's salary would be capped at 80K
Rourke was just coming into his 3rd season. This info confirms he would have been at ELC minimum last year. That's what I said twice. O'Connor was in his 3rd year and he MAY have had an increase. Note that a 10% increase to the base of $65K is only $6500 which would take his salary to $71.5K not $80K
3rd year can't be more than 10% more than the 2nd year. Add in the $7500 Max signing bonus & the $7500 50%+1 snaps bonus and you get $86,500 as the actual maximum. (All numbers from the CBA)
Quote from: TBURGESS on February 27, 2023, 05:29:08 PM
3rd year can't be more than 10% more than the 2nd year. Add in the $7500 Max signing bonus & the $7500 50%+1 snaps bonus and you get $86,500 as the actual maximum. (All numbers from the CBA)
Why would we think Rourke would have had a signing bonus as a 15th draft pick ( possible, but probable )? Not even sure he'd have the 50% snap bonus when drafted in either year, but let's say he did.
That's still a bargain basement price whether he got to play and succeeded or not.
O'Connor never got close to 50% of snaps due to injury. So his max would have been lower.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 27, 2023, 05:48:52 PM
Why would we think Rourke would have had a signing bonus as a 15th draft pick ( possible, but probable )? Not even sure he'd have the 50% snap bonus when drafted in either year, but let's say he did.
That's still a bargain basement price whether he got to play and succeeded or not.
O'Connor never got close to 50% of snaps due to injury. So his max would have been lower.
The signing bonus/Housing Allowance is a yearly thing, gotta assume that Rourke got it last year as the projected starting QB. 65K+15K = 80K last year max for Rourke.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 27, 2023, 05:23:35 PM
Rourke was just coming into his 3rd season. This info confirms he would have been at ELC minimum last year. That's what I said twice. O'Connor was in his 3rd year and he MAY have had an increase. Note that a 10% increase to the base of $65K is only $6500 which would take his salary to $71.5K not $80K
O?Connor signed a 2 year deal in 2019, and was out of his ELC at the end of 2020. He signed as a free agent with Calgary for one year in 2021. He then signed as a free agent with BC for 2022. So that was his third contract, and he was in no way limited by the 10% clause in the CBA.
I don?t think he was a huge earner, but as a Canadian QB, the opportunity to back up Rourke would have maximized his value. Once BC built their ratio around Rourke, a Canadian backup is much more desirable.
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/28/montreal-alouettes-add-longtime-cfl-rb-tyrell-sutton-to-finalize-coaching-staff/
Quote from: pjrocksmb on March 01, 2023, 12:05:22 AM
https://3downnation.com/2023/02/28/montreal-alouettes-add-longtime-cfl-rb-tyrell-sutton-to-finalize-coaching-staff/
Sutton was good: not just another RB. I was always wondering if this was in the works. Wonder what took so long.
https://3downnation.com/2023/03/01/blast-from-the-past-argos-sign-rec-dontrelle-inman/
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 01, 2023, 01:37:51 AM
Sutton was good: not just another RB. I was always wondering if this was in the works. Wonder what took so long.
Was very good
Riders sign WR Derel Walker.
https://www.riderville.com/2023/03/02/riders-add-standout-receiver-derel-walker/
"standout"
Quote from: Ridermania on March 02, 2023, 06:10:55 PM
Riders sign WR Derel Walker.
https://www.riderville.com/2023/03/02/riders-add-standout-receiver-derel-walker/
How drunk was JOD today?
Quote from: Ridermania on March 02, 2023, 06:10:55 PM
Riders sign WR Derel Walker.
This is this season's Duke. It'll be a complete bust and we can all laugh at their continued failure. Sad, as I kind of like it when the greenies are somewhat competitive.
Riders forum mostly dislikes the Walker signing. Grin. The only one really keen on it is our own Ridermania. Guess you gotta be excited about something over there or you'd die of depression. ;) ;) ;D ;D
(Kidding Rider! Keep up the baby faith. At least you're not as bad as 2013 Bombers.)
I was getting lonely waiting for the CFL season to start and needed some good ribbing.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 02, 2023, 08:07:08 PM
Riders forum mostly dislikes the Walker signing. Grin. The only one really keen on it is our own Ridermania. Guess you gotta be excited about something over there or you'd die of depression. ;) ;) ;D ;D
(Kidding Rider! Keep up the baby faith. At least you're not as bad as 2013 Bombers.)
He had better receiving stats. than Wieneke, rated 15th as opposed to 25th, Walker is still good with YAC and might surprise if he was signed at a reasonable price. Darvin ranked 13th ahead of them both and he's still waiting for a call, I wish the Bombers had room, he'd be a useful US Natl. in the right situation.
He s a decent reciever and he'll get them 700 yards recieving, I would be more worried about Williams than I would be about Walker. Duke should be shown the door and as long as you keep him, you put up with his BS behaviour, and his talent doesn't warrant that. The guy is a has been that never was.
Duke signed in Hamilton for this upcoming season.
Andrew Harris re-signs with the Argos for another year.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 02, 2023, 08:45:58 PM
He had better receiving stats. than Wieneke, rated 15th as opposed to 25th, Walker is still good with YAC and might surprise if he was signed at a reasonable price. Darvin ranked 13th ahead of them both and he's still waiting for a call, I wish the Bombers had room, he'd be a useful US Natl. in the right situation.
Oh, I would take Walker at $100k in a heartbeat. But I'm pretty sure that guy is still looking for $175k+. Thus why no one likes the deal. You just know O'Day got ripped off. It's his M.O.
Quote from: ModAdmin on March 02, 2023, 10:10:27 PM
Andrew Harris re-signs with the Argos for another year.
Good for AH33. If Pinball is willing to pay him to sit in the tub, you keep going. It's not looking good for another ring for them though.
If it's WPG@HAM in GC, it'll be hell on earth for our boys (worse than 2021). I think we need to root for TOR, or better yet, OTT. Or maybe this is the year that the crossover finally makes the GC. It'll be weird saying "CGY, East Division Champion".
"Boom" Gwachum is still out there... wonder what his pricetag is...
Davon Coleman too...
Charleston Hughes is still out there too...
Not sure any of these guys are MOS guys, or fit our SMS... but might be a bargain signing as TC approaches, and if they come to camp ready to play, great, if not, apples and roadmaps are available...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 03, 2023, 04:35:16 PM
"Boom" Gwachum is still out there... wonder what his pricetag is...
Davon Coleman too...
Charleston Hughes is still out there too...
Not sure any of these guys are MOS guys, or fit our SMS... but might be a bargain signing as TC approaches, and if they come to camp ready to play, great, if not, apples and roadmaps are available...
Gwachum may be retiring, not sure Hughes has much left.Other names might be Mike Moore or Shane Ray
CFL.CA shows Lucky Whitehead being added to roster. I suspect that's a re-negotiated contract but whether that was up or down IDK. In theory I would have predicted a downward contract but that was speculative opinion from me. Overall I was expecting some " adjustments " to some SMS's to absorb some new hits elsewhere.
Quote from: Pete on March 03, 2023, 05:02:23 PM
Gwachum may be retiring, not sure Hughes has much left.Other names might be Mike Moore or Shane Ray
I read somewhere Shane Ray is also thinking of retiring
Quote from: Blue In BC on March 09, 2023, 01:22:33 PM
CFL.CA shows Lucky Whitehead being added to roster. I suspect that's a re-negotiated contract but whether that was up or down IDK. In theory I would have predicted a downward contract but that was speculative opinion from me. Overall I was expecting some " adjustments " to some SMS's to absorb some new hits elsewhere.
Up, down, does it matter? It could be sideways, moving money to signing bonus to avoid taxes but increase the risk to the team should he get injured again.
Could even be an extension...
Not sure is BC is close to the $SMS cap at the moment, their QB corps is still one of the cheapest in the league... and no Burnham...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 09, 2023, 03:22:16 PM
Up, down, does it matter? It could be sideways, moving money to signing bonus to avoid taxes but increase the risk to the team should he get injured again.
Could even be an extension...
Not sure is BC is close to the $SMS cap at the moment, their QB corps is still one of the cheapest in the league... and no Burnham...
It could have been any of the examples you suggested. Ultimately IMO it will be less hard money.
Yes we know their QB SMS will be low compared to other teams. That's not the point. It's still probably $300K - $350K more compared to 2022.
Burnham retired but Rhymes got a lot more after his complaint.
Nobody is close to their SMS yet. Aside from up front bonus money, teams could have $6M on the books but the real counting doesn't start until rosters are decided at cut down day.
Players can be traded, cut or start the season on 6 game IR. My point is that they have a different situation adjusting away from ELC QB's that other teams don't.
DE James Vaughters returns to the Stamps after bouncing around the NFL for 4 years, he was very good when he left, he's 29 now so it remains to be seen if he can still be a dominant pass-rusher.
https://3downnation.com/2023/03/16/stampeders-de-james-vaughters-returning-to-where-football-was-fun-after-nfl-stint/
https://3downnation.com/2023/03/21/kian-schaffer-baker-undergoes-hip-surgery-projected-to-miss-start-of-season-for-riders/
Thanks for the info boys.
Tough luck for Baker.
Hopefully it all heals.
As an aside, I needed to get both hips replaced, titanium/ceramic. What a miracle. If it is reommended for you, do it!
Bakers is young.
I'm pretty sure the Greenies forum has been expecting that KSB news for a while. Not a surprise he was suffering for a while. A bit strange for such a young guy?
KSB is a rare bright spot on the SSK roster. Any team would snap him up in a heartbeat because he's a difference-maker NAT. Maybe 3rd best WR/SB after Demski & Gittens? SSK would be smart to not let him go like they did Demski.
Why did KSB wait until now to have the surgery, he should have had it right after the season which would have him healed in time for the season.
Quote from: Horseman on March 23, 2023, 03:55:47 PM
Why did KSB wait until now to have the surgery, he should have had it right after the season which would have him healed in time for the season.
Maybe he was seeking different opinions to determine the best course of action.
Quote from: Horseman on March 23, 2023, 03:55:47 PM
Why did KSB wait until now to have the surgery, he should have had it right after the season which would have him healed in time for the season.
Given that he's a national and is likely having his surgery done here in Canada, he doesn't get to pick when his surgery gets done in the post-COVID world - his surgery will be scheduled for whenever the designated surgeon has time to fit him in among the thousands of backlogged surgeries.
This is why I travel to the States and pay out of pocket to have anything important done in the last 2 years. At least I have the luxury to afford to be able to do that. Many don't.
Quote from: VictorRomano on March 23, 2023, 04:49:52 PM
Given that he's a national and is likely having his surgery done here in Canada, he doesn't get to pick when his surgery gets done in the post-COVID world - his surgery will be scheduled for whenever the designated surgeon has time to fit him in among the thousands of backlogged surgeries.
This is why I travel to the States and pay out of pocket to have anything important done in the last 2 years. At least I have the luxury to afford to be able to do that. Many don't.
A real example of 21st century opulence right there.
Quote from: VictorRomano on March 23, 2023, 04:49:52 PM
Given that he's a national and is likely having his surgery done here in Canada, he doesn't get to pick when his surgery gets done in the post-COVID world - his surgery will be scheduled for whenever the designated surgeon has time to fit him in among the thousands of backlogged surgeries.
I've always wondered about that. Sports dudes in Canada, like hockey, jays, CFL, when they get hurt they seem to get in right fast for scans and xrays and MRIs and CTs. Waaaay faster than you or I would get in. Even their surgeries seem to get done lickety split. (Even this KSB example is waaay faster than the current queue would allow for.)
Anyone know how this works? Maybe the IMPs with US health insurance can jump the queue in Canada because they are paying? Maybe we have a special class for sports stars. It doesn't make the socialist health care system look good if they have superstar celebrities waiting 9 months for an MRI, even if that is the reality for the plebs, and optics is everything.
And before you say "no special classes!", ask yourself how fast the prime minister would get in for an MRI or surgery...
MRIs and the like can be had at private clinics around the country. 1K+ for an MRI, but it sure beats waiting if you?re in pain.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 23, 2023, 09:00:33 PM
I've always wondered about that. Sports dudes in Canada, like hockey, jays, CFL, when they get hurt they seem to get in right fast for scans and xrays and MRIs and CTs. Waaaay faster than you or I would get in. Even their surgeries seem to get done lickety split. (Even this KSB example is waaay faster than the current queue would allow for.)
Anyone know how this works? Maybe the IMPs with US health insurance can jump the queue in Canada because they are paying? Maybe we have a special class for sports stars. It doesn't make the socialist health care system look good if they have superstar celebrities waiting 9 months for an MRI, even if that is the reality for the plebs, and optics is everything.
And before you say "no special classes!", ask yourself how fast the prime minister would get in for an MRI or surgery...
Most MLB teams have Xray machines right in the building, manned by their paid for staffers. There are private clinics with MRI and even surgical suites where additional procedures can be provided.
I still think we need a hybrid health care system, allowing those that can pay to "Jump the queue", but only if they pay enough to have another patient move up the line. Sure, the rich get "better" service, but everyone wins, because like Victor, they will just go to the States or elsewhere. We could keep that money in our system, and those doctors in our country.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 23, 2023, 09:00:33 PM
It doesn't make the socialist health care system look good if they have superstar celebrities waiting 9 months for an MRI, even if that is the reality for the plebs, and optics is everything.
9 months? I hate to be "that guy" but I feel the need to add some facts to this discussion. 9 months sounds like an extreme exaggeration or something that occurred in the middle of the COVID panic and the department was shutdown. I live in Thunder Bay, transplanted prairie boy from the home of the Bombers :( Work gets in the way of everything fun!
One hospital in Thunder Bay, a regional hospital... which means it supports most of the communities to the north of Thunder Bay and to the East. It's a busy place... The imaging department runs 24/7 so things like x-rays, CAT scans, Ultrasounds and MRI's happen around the clock. I have shoulder and neck pain. Very old micro tears in both rotator cuffs, and the on-set of arthritis combined with a few compressed vertebrae in my neck. The surgeon and I speculate that twelve years of being on the defensive side of the line of scrimmage 40 years ago eventually catches up. I normally take 1200 mgs of Advil daily and get a couple cortisone injections roughly every 6 months to manage the stiffness and pain in my shoulders.
Long and the short of it, my orthopedic surgeon ordered an MRI to take a deeper look to ensure the old damage wasn't becoming new damage. Took less than a week, 6 days actually from talking about scheduling an MRI to having it done. That 6 days also includes the follow-up appointment to discuss the options and jab two more injections into my shoulder blades. Love those deep injections! Good thing you can't see the needle coming.
I'm 65, not a star athlete or anybody important... Going forward it's still going to be bi-annual Cortisone, Advil as required... and more lifestyle adjustments, i.e. cutting back on the front crawl in the pool, less or lighter overhead and pulling type weight routines in the gym and I might have to trade-in my GF for a lighter model or make additional adjustments in other lifting and aerobic activities, but it was done in 6 days, not 9 months.
Quote from: VictorRomano on March 23, 2023, 04:49:52 PM
Given that he's a national and is likely having his surgery done here in Canada, he doesn't get to pick when his surgery gets done in the post-COVID world - his surgery will be scheduled for whenever the designated surgeon has time to fit him in among the thousands of backlogged surgeries.
This is why I travel to the States and pay out of pocket to have anything important done in the last 2 years. At least I have the luxury to afford to be able to do that. Many don't.
Yes, that is for your average Joe citizen, for professional athletes there is no waiting line.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 23, 2023, 09:00:33 PM
I've always wondered about that. Sports dudes in Canada, like hockey, jays, CFL, when they get hurt they seem to get in right fast for scans and xrays and MRIs and CTs. Waaaay faster than you or I would get in. Even their surgeries seem to get done lickety split. (Even this KSB example is waaay faster than the current queue would allow for.)
Anyone know how this works? Maybe the IMPs with US health insurance can jump the queue in Canada because they are paying? Maybe we have a special class for sports stars. It doesn't make the socialist health care system look good if they have superstar celebrities waiting 9 months for an MRI, even if that is the reality for the plebs, and optics is everything.
And before you say "no special classes!", ask yourself how fast the prime minister would get in for an MRI or surgery...
I remember a bit of a hub-bub 5-10 years ago about professional athletes in Wpg. getting the attention they need very quickly, I believe the answer given at the time was both pro teams make use of both private and public solutions and have a lot of very good connections.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 24, 2023, 02:43:12 PM
I remember a bit of a hub-bub 5-10 years ago about professional athletes in Wpg. getting the attention they need very quickly, I believe the answer given at the time was both pro teams make use of both private and public solutions and have a lot of very good connections.
It was 2017. There was a report that Bombers and Jets players, along with some politicians where jumping the cue and getting MRI's. Since then the Jets and the Bombers pay a private clinic for an MRI. Little to no problem getting an x-ray in Winnipeg.
Quote from: Norm W on March 24, 2023, 12:57:53 PM
9 months? I hate to be "that guy" but I feel the need to add some facts to this discussion. 9 months sounds like an extreme exaggeration or something that occurred in the middle of the COVID panic and the department was shutdown. I live in Thunder Bay, transplanted prairie boy from the home of the Bombers :( Work gets in the way of everything fun!
One hospital in Thunder Bay, a regional hospital... which means it supports most of the communities to the north of Thunder Bay and to the East. It's a busy place... The imaging department runs 24/7 so things like x-rays, CAT scans, Ultrasounds and MRI's happen around the clock. I have shoulder and neck pain. Very old micro tears in both rotator cuffs, and the on-set of arthritis combined with a few compressed vertebrae in my neck. The surgeon and I speculate that twelve years of being on the defensive side of the line of scrimmage 40 years ago eventually catches up. I normally take 1200 mgs of Advil daily and get a couple cortisone injections roughly every 6 months to manage the stiffness and pain in my shoulders.
Long and the short of it, my orthopedic surgeon ordered an MRI to take a deeper look to ensure the old damage wasn't becoming new damage. Took less than a week, 6 days actually from talking about scheduling an MRI to having it done. That 6 days also includes the follow-up appointment to discuss the options and jab two more injections into my shoulder blades. Love those deep injections! Good thing you can't see the needle coming.
I'm 65, not a star athlete or anybody important... Going forward it's still going to be bi-annual Cortisone, Advil as required... and more lifestyle adjustments, i.e. cutting back on the front crawl in the pool, less or lighter overhead and pulling type weight routines in the gym and I might have to trade-in my GF for a lighter model or make additional adjustments in other lifting and aerobic activities, but it was done in 6 days, not 9 months.
Some MRI's or CAT scans can take months or more in Manitoba, Xrays not so bad, many places are walk in. Once you have imaging, getting treatment is sometimes a bugger. Again, depending on the procedure and how many are ahead of you, and whether your facility has been hit by staffing issues.
We definitely need more capacity for ortho in Manitoba.
Quote from: Horseman on March 24, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
Yes, that is for your average Joe citizen, for professional athletes there is no waiting line.
Anyone can get service if they want to pay. I knew someone whose kid was injured, and needed surgery and rehab. In Manitoba it would have been 6 months, and she would have missed an opportunity for a scholarship. So he took here to Grand Forks, got scans and surgery in days, and she was ready for the school year. Cost $5k, but you know how much a scholarship saves...
I was wondering what FA players are still available at this time. I tried to look on the CFL website but could not find anything.
Quote from: Horseman on March 24, 2023, 06:45:44 PM
I was wondering what FA players are still available at this time. I tried to look on the CFL website but could not find anything.
Here you go...
https://www.cfl.ca/fa23
Quote from: Pigskin on March 24, 2023, 03:13:25 PM
It was 2017. There was a report that Bombers and Jets players, along with some politicians where jumping the cue and getting MRI's. Since then the Jets and the Bombers pay a private clinic for an MRI. Little to no problem getting an x-ray in Winnipeg.
Yes, I've seen many instances of in-Canada athletes getting surgeries in record times where it made me say "hmmm". So you guys answered the bit about MRIs a little bit, i.e. on-premise equipment + private clinics. But surgeries in Canada can never be private. So how is that explained away?
And we can't say it's just all the IMPs going down to the USA for surgery, because many times we're talking about ELC IMPs and mid-level players who, if they don't have in-season USA health insurance, would for sure be using Canada's "free" system.
Glad some press was raising a stink because there clearly is a two-tier system when it comes to sports stars. Now, I'm not totally against that, but it should be transparent, not a wink and a nod.
It's an interesting topic.
When I tore my knee up they told me it would be 6 months. 3 weeks later someone cancelled their MRI and I took it. 2 weeks after that I had the knee surgery by the same Dr. who does the Flames & Stamps players. 7:15 the next morning I started rehab. Sometimes it just luck.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 25, 2023, 05:03:52 AM
Yes, I've seen many instances of in-Canada athletes getting surgeries in record times where it made me say "hmmm". So you guys answered the bit about MRIs a little bit, i.e. on-premise equipment + private clinics. But surgeries in Canada can never be private. So how is that explained away?
And we can't say it's just all the IMPs going down to the USA for surgery, because many times we're talking about ELC IMPs and mid-level players who, if they don't have in-season USA health insurance, would for sure be using Canada's "free" system.
Glad some press was raising a stink because there clearly is a two-tier system when it comes to sports stars. Now, I'm not totally against that, but it should be transparent, not a wink and a nod.
It's an interesting topic.
There are private clinics, Pan Am is one. Depending on the procedure, it can be done in a clinic setting. There are a few private hospitals grandfathered in from before national healthcare. I did computer work for one of them back in the 80's. They did primarily hernia surgery, a special technique that had a very quick recovery time. There was a running joke that the Canadian patients came in through the front doors in an ambulance, and the International patients (mostly US, including a lot of athletes) came in through the back doors in a Brink's Truck.
There is no reason a properly run hybrid private/public system cannot flourish in Canada, except the people favouring private want it to be the main avenue for health care and usurp the public system, making it truly two teir both in funding and in service, and the public people don't want any private portion at all, beleiving it will compromise the public side. By creating a system where people who can afford to pay do and get a small advantage in wait or service (private rooms, etc) and the public system takes advantage of some of that funding to improve the access for public patients (and only have to provide for a reduced patient base, but still tax the entire citizen base), everyone wins.
Something as simple as allowing a private "pay to play" MRI lab to operate 9am-5pm, and then let publicly funded staff operate that machinery 6pm-8am without incurring the physical cost of the equipment, maintenance and facility, its a win/win/win.
Guys, can we stay on topic please! Start a new thread if you want to discuss medical etc
https://3downnation.com/2023/03/26/stove-off-b-c-lions-dont-expect-dt-steven-richardson-to-play-in-2023-following-achilles-injuries/
Quote from: pjrocksmb on March 27, 2023, 03:07:52 AM
https://3downnation.com/2023/03/26/stove-off-b-c-lions-dont-expect-dt-steven-richardson-to-play-in-2023-following-achilles-injuries/
Unfortunate for Richardson if his career is over. It's a tough business and any player is one injury from the end of his career. As the article mentions if he does return he's re-negotiated his salary towards playing incentives. Taking his 2023 contract out of the SMS is a significant adjustment for the Lions.
Quote from: Blue In BC on March 27, 2023, 01:16:42 PM
Unfortunate for Richardson if his career is over. It's a tough business and any player is one injury from the end of his career. As the article mentions if he does return he's re-negotiated his salary towards playing incentives. Taking his 2023 contract out of the SMS is a significant adjustment for the Lions.
Really too bad
Such a shame. He's really talented and seems like a good team guy, too.
Hopefully, he can return next season.
Two Achilles back-to-back on the same ankle? Not sure there is a lot of data out there on that but chances are probably pretty small he comes back. After one rupture, chances are 75% or so. Two? Pretty unlikely to ever regain form I would guess.
When Stove played for us he was a force to reckon with...he was so powerful and dominated the interior on our DL. When we lost him to free agency I was choked and our DL wasn't nearly as dominant without him. That being said, his career since leaving us has been fraught with injury upon injury. The prognosis for a full recovery is a question mark however i wish him nothing but a speedy and successful recovery rehab.
Very sad
Wish him the best
I would think his pro career is over
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Riders Most Outstanding Canadian Kian Schaffer-Baker Signs Two-Year Extension: The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed National receiver Kian Schaffer-Baker to a two-year contract extension. Schaffer-Baker (6?4-205) extends his stay? https://riderville.com/2023/04/12/riders-most-outstanding-canadian-kian-schaffer-baker-signs-two-year-extension/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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I to wish Stove all the best!
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"The opportunity to be able to join a great organization like Calgary was one I couldn?t pass up."
Adding a veteran (Nick Taylor) presence to the secondary.
Welcome to the Red and White, Nick!
traitor!
Quote from: ModAdmin on April 21, 2023, 06:39:35 PM
Calgary Stampeders
@calstampeders
"The opportunity to be able to join a great organization like Calgary was one I couldn?t pass up."
Adding a veteran (Nick Taylor) presence to the secondary.
Welcome to the Red and White, Nick!
Well that answers the health question about Taylor. I suppose it also answers the team feels they have a succession player or players in place. Sorry to see him go but understand the business involved in sports.
Taylor just turned 35 and that can't be discounted. Especially after having an achilles injury in 2022. Good luck but risk management was not in his favour.
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 21, 2023, 06:54:53 PM
Well that answers the health question about Taylor. I suppose it also answers the team feels they have a succession player or players in place. Sorry to see him go but understand the business involved in sports.
Yep, not really a surprise either way, got to give the young upcoming players opportunities to play or they'll leave to play elsewhere. Unfortunately sacrifices have to be made, all part of renewal.
Quote from: DM83 on April 21, 2023, 06:44:01 PM
traitor!
Are you joking? I doubt the Bombers even offered him a contract.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 21, 2023, 07:45:09 PM
Are you joking? I doubt the Bombers even offered him a contract.
Agree
Quote from: ModAdmin on April 21, 2023, 06:39:35 PM
"The opportunity to be able to join a great organization like Calgary was one I couldn?t pass up."
Adding a veteran (Nick Taylor) presence to the secondary.
Good for Nick. Really, what does this cost CGY? Probably got him really cheap, like under $100k, maybe with play bonuses. They don't have to start him. If he does play and he's clearly not recovered, they can Moe Leggett him.
I would have liked to keep Nick, as it also would have been cheap insurance for us, but with Houston / Parker / Lawrence all here we felt we didn't need to risk it. I'm not totally sold on the choice, but it is not insane.
Nick is one of the best and if he can play ok we'll be in deep do-do when we play CGY. I'd stay away from Nick as much as Roberson.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 21, 2023, 07:45:09 PM
Are you joking? I doubt the Bombers even offered him a contract.
KW said in a (Jan?) presser that he did not give Taylor nor Maston contract offers.
Weird that Huff took on a player we had moved on from, he's usually the opposite in that.
What does this say about CGY's scouting effectiveness? And our own?
WBB are an intensely loyal team, have to wonder what happened with Nic that we didn't at least offer him a contract. I assume health was the underlying issue, like AH33, if a player can't prove his health...
I wish Nick well, except when he plays against us ;)
Quote from: theaardvark on April 22, 2023, 02:20:53 PM
Weird that Huff took on a player we had moved on from, he's usually the opposite in that.
What does this say about CGY's scouting effectiveness? And our own?
WBB are an intensely loyal team, have to wonder what happened with Nic that we didn't at least offer him a contract. I assume health was the underlying issue, like AH33, if a player can't prove his health...
I wish Nick well, except when he plays against us ;)
He just turned 35 years old and is coming off a serious injury. Re-injury is not out of the possibility ( Maston ) for example.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 22, 2023, 02:20:53 PM
Weird that Huff took on a player we had moved on from, he's usually the opposite in that.
What does this say about CGY's scouting effectiveness? And our own?
WBB are an intensely loyal team, have to wonder what happened with Nic that we didn't at least offer him a contract. I assume health was the underlying issue, like AH33, if a player can't prove his health...
I wish Nick well, except when he plays against us ;)
A number of years ago, the Stamps picked up Lin-J Shell after the Argos turned him loose. They used him effectively for a year as a veteran utility guy in the secondary. A year later, we picked him up and used him the same way.
Turnabout is fair play.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 22, 2023, 02:20:53 PM
Weird that Huff took on a player we had moved on from, he's usually the opposite in that.
What does this say about CGY's scouting effectiveness? And our own?
Huff is no longer the GM, Dickie is, I would say roster management has suffered since the handover, this is just another indication they ain't what they used to be.
Quote from: the paw on April 22, 2023, 06:53:24 PM
A number of years ago, the Stamps picked up Lin-J Shell after the Argos turned him loose. They used him effectively for a year as a veteran utility guy in the secondary. A year later, we picked him up and used him the same way.
And that might be the key. With the new 49% vet IMP (FAKENAT) rule, they could start a good NAT DB (HB) if they have one (do they?) then sub in Taylor for 49% of the snaps. They could put the NAT on for "running downs"; then it's more like Taylor is the starter.
We could have done this too. Dickie/Huffer might be out-thinking KW on this one! KW did say he's not changing squat about his roster style until he sees how other teams are using (abusing) the new rule.
Taylor as a vet's vet is perfect for this role. And again, if you paid peanuts for him and no signing bonus, what do you have to lose? You can use TC to vett whether he's still injured or not. If Taylor goes on to have another great 1-2 seasons we'll be kicking ourselves, especially if one of our HBs gets injured or one of the sophomores sucks. On the other hand, if he pulls a Nevis and Stove, then we made the right move.
3rd Down Nation just published the 20 top DB salaries, interesting Bombers highest paid DB is Alexander at $101K, 17th on the list. Walters has done an excellent job of providing Richie with plenty of high quality candidates at a low cost.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 23, 2023, 05:07:23 PM
3rd Down Nation just published the 20 top DB salaries, interesting Bombers highest paid DB is Alexander at $101K, 17th on the list. Walters has done an excellent job of providing Richie with plenty of high quality candidates at a low cost.
Winston Rose isn't a top 20????......now I'm not sure how much i can trust those articles
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on April 23, 2023, 05:30:00 PM
Winston Rose isn't a top 20????......now I'm not sure how much i can trust those articles
After last year? Did you watch the games?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on April 24, 2023, 03:42:02 AM
After last year? Did you watch the games?
We're talking salaries of DB's, not performance.
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 24, 2023, 01:14:32 PM
We're talking salaries of DB's, not performance.
There are 54 starting DBs (45 if you don't count SAM, but you should because there are so many 5 receiver sets). He shouldn't be paid in the top 20 this year and he didn't perform in the top 20 last year.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on April 24, 2023, 06:19:15 PM
There are 54 starting DBs (45 if you don't count SAM, but you should because there are so many 5 receiver sets). He shouldn't be paid in the top 20 this year and he didn't perform in the top 20 last year.
Not every player is paid exactly what he's worth one way or the other. B. Alexander is listed as # 17 for example. Many Bomber players took favourable team discounts.
Again, the report is based on what they are paid and not on a " best of " list. That's very subjective. CB, DHB, safeties and ratio all impact that. I'd say Nichols is a top 20 DHB and he's not listed in the list.
You're being too hard on him IMO.
I'm just shocked how little $$ DBs get paid! Holy smokes those are bad salaries when some of those players are all-stars, superstars and mega-gamechangers. If Alford were to come back, how much would he be worth?
But I guess it's supply and demand. There are a zillion IMP DBs coming out of college every year. Too much supply.
Has a CFL DB ever gotten anywhere close to 200k? Funny how the top DL can earn waaaay more. If I was a kid starting football on the D side, I'd make sure I was playing the big-$ positions, like DE or MLB.
DBs are the Rodney Dangerfield of football.
Does it look like Hamilton is out to try to buy a grey cup seeing as they are hosting?
When you see the number of high priced free agents they have signed I can't see how they are under the cap.
especially when you consider that when your building you team from free agency you are paying a premium
The list includes
Bo Levi @510k
Figuero @200k
Sayles @200k
Butler @ 130k
Williams @ 177k
Thurman @ 155k
Boetang @150k
Davis 165K
Quote from: Pete on April 24, 2023, 11:21:52 PM
Does it look like Hamilton is out to try to buy a grey cup seeing as they are hosting?
When you see the number of high priced free agents they have signed I can't see how they are under the cap.
especially when you consider that when your building you team from free agency you are paying a premium
The list includes
Bo Levi @510k
Figuero @200k
Sayles @200k
Butler @ 130k
Williams @ 177k
Thurman @ 155k
Boetang @150k
Just saying...it takes more than big salaries, star player status and individual all stars to build a Grey Cup winner.
Davis 165K
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 24, 2023, 10:27:43 PM
I'm just shocked how little $$ DBs get paid! Holy smokes those are bad salaries when some of those players are all-stars, superstars and mega-gamechangers. If Alford were to come back, how much would he be worth?
But I guess it's supply and demand. There are a zillion IMP DBs coming out of college every year. Too much supply.
Has a CFL DB ever gotten anywhere close to 200k? Funny how the top DL can earn waaaay more. If I was a kid starting football on the D side, I'd make sure I was playing the big-$ positions, like DE or MLB.
DBs are the Rodney Dangerfield of football.
Yup supply and demand
Mike Edem retired today. That's a blow to the Als.
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 27, 2023, 05:27:32 PM
Mike Edem retired today. That's a blow to the Als.
When did he sign with the Al's. ??
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 27, 2023, 05:27:32 PM
Mike Edem retired today. That's a blow to the Als.
Chris Ackie?
Quote from: the paw on April 27, 2023, 06:59:33 PM
Chris Ackie?
Yes, sorry I meant Chris Ackie. Got confused thinking about them.
Quote from: the paw on April 27, 2023, 06:59:33 PM
Chris Ackie?
Was he signed and then retired? Or went un-signed and then retired? Strange timing.
Ackie was a good player, very tough and hard-nosed and playing on the edge. He's the one who put the headshot sack on Nichols in the MTL Miracle Game that helped us win. Without that extra 15 we might not have had enough time for the yards.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 27, 2023, 10:46:44 PM
Was he signed and then retired? Or went un-signed and then retired? Strange timing.
Ackie was a good player, very tough and hard-nosed and playing on the edge. He's the one who put the headshot sack on Nichols in the MTL Miracle Game that helped us win. Without that extra 15 we might not have had enough time for the yards.
He showed up as 5th on the LB's salaries list. $146K-$166K if all things fall into place for performance bonus's. At 31 years old he still had some some very good ability to play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 28, 2023, 12:50:11 AM
He showed up as 5th on the LB's salaries list. $146K-$166K if all things fall into place for performance bonus's. At 31 years old he still had some some very good ability to play.
He had a very good job offer to make more money in the private sector, and he was at odds with Noel Thorpe, who only used him part-time last year.
https://montrealgazette.com/sports/football/cfl/montreal-alouettes/lucrative-job-offer-friction-with-alouettes-dc-push-chris-ackie-to-retire
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 28, 2023, 12:50:11 AM
He showed up as 5th on the LB's salaries list. $146K-$166K if all things fall into place for performance bonus's. At 31 years old he still had some some very good ability to play.
Looking over his stats. Ackie had a pretty mediocre career, only reaching 80 tackles on one occasion in 2018, I would say he never played up to his potential.
https://www.cfl.ca/players/chris-ackie-2/161490/
Not a free agent news story but interesting too see the decline in Calgary
https://3downnation.com/2023/04/28/stampeders-expect-fewer-than-15000-season-tickets-sold/
Quote from: pjrocksmb on April 28, 2023, 11:42:10 PM
Not a free agent news story but interesting too see the decline in Calgary
https://3downnation.com/2023/04/28/stampeders-expect-fewer-than-15000-season-tickets-sold/
That can be entirely attributed to going from a GC-visit-every-year, never-loses-at-home team to the shoddy embarrassment at the end of BLM's career. I found CGY fans to be a weird bunch. They want to go, arrive late, party, drink and eat, and see a guaranteed win. They really don't like to feel like 2013 WPG fans. They can't handle the pain. Which is funny, because their team still hasn't reached the depths of 2013 WPG.
Not to dis CGY fans, as they've always been exceptionally gracious and kind to me and my son the 3 times I've gone to McMahon in recent years. They're just not happy with losing (maybe Jets fans can teach them?).
It might require them finally building a new stadium to get the excitement and crowds back...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 28, 2023, 11:49:50 PM
That can be entirely attributed to going from a GC-visit-every-year, never-loses-at-home team to the shoddy embarrassment at the end of BLM's career. I found CGY fans to be a weird bunch. They want to go, arrive late, party, drink and eat, and see a guaranteed win. They really don't like to feel like 2013 WPG fans. They can't handle the pain. Which is funny, because their team still hasn't reached the depths of 2013 WPG.
Not to dis CGY fans, as they've always been exceptionally gracious and kind to me and my son the 3 times I've gone to McMahon in recent years. They're just not happy with losing (maybe Jets fans can teach them?).
It might require them finally building a new stadium to get the excitement and crowds back...
It's not the fans in the stands that should be questioned, it's the football fans that would rather watch NFL on TV than attend a live CFL game and support their local team that are the problem. Calgary is just as bad as Vancouver and Toronto for their obsession with the NFL. They're getting a new NHL arena but not a peep about upgrading the aged McMahon Stadium, it's not politically beneficial to even discuss.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 29, 2023, 04:15:46 PM
It's not the fans in the stands that should be questioned, it's the football fans that would rather watch NFL on TV than attend a live CFL game and support their local team that are the problem. Calgary is just as bad as Vancouver and Toronto for their obsession with the NFL.
I don't know, that doesn't explain why McMahon was usually pretty full, and STH count was pretty high, 5-10 years ago. Maybe it's also a case of CFL-itis where the senior citizen fans are dying off. In my late dad's group of football friends this is occurring rapidly. Maybe CGY fans were as aged as WPG's -- or even more?
Maybe it's all the above. EDM stands which were once pretty busy were dead last year after the team sucking badly for so long. Maybe Albertans don't put up with losers. Problem is, losing usually begets losing, especially when there's no fan support.
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Montreal Alouettes' cornerback Jumal Rolle retires from CFL: All-star cornerback Jumal Rolle has informed the Montreal Alouettes of his intention to retire from the CFL. The 32-year-old was placed on the team?s suspended list when? via @3DownNation
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Benevides, good pick up for the Lions.
BC Lions co-general manager/head coach Rick Campbell announced today that due to unexpected family matters, special teams coordinator Don Yanowsky will not be able to continue coaching with the team this season. In addition, the club also announced the return of Mike Benevides as special teams consultant.
?We wish Yano the very best and are thinking about him and his family at this time,? Campbell said.
?We also feel fortunate to add a coach of Mike?s calibre at this time I know he will be able to fit in and contribute right away.?
Benevides returns to the Lions after a 12-year stint from 2003-14 where he served as both special teams and defensive coordinator before being promoted as the club?s 24th head coach for the final three seasons.
Benevides won Grey Cups with the Lions in 2006 and 2011 and would compile a 33-21-0 regular season record as head coach. He later worked as an assistant with both Edmonton and Ottawa.
How dare they forget his stint on TSN??!!
DE Alex McCallister released by BC. Not sure if there's an interest from the Bombers.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on May 31, 2023, 10:59:26 PM
DE Alex McCallister released by BC. Not sure if there's an interest from the Bombers.
Going for him is we signed him twice. Going against him is we released him twice. I think we would pass.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on May 31, 2023, 10:59:26 PM
DE Alex McCallister released by BC. Not sure if there's an interest from the Bombers.
I wouldn't mind if they took another look at him, DE is now a position of need, when he tried out before they were already set.
Naw
Does he have another opportunity to play?
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Next move will be the best move !!
Gotta give props to the BC Lions for their marketing initiatives
Pregame concerts
Promoting back yard party
Best job on preseason streaming
A lot of other teams should take note
Quote from: Pete on June 02, 2023, 04:51:21 AM
Gotta give props to the BC Lions for their marketing initiatives
Fan engagement through videos, etc. Yup, BC really does this right. Need more of this from all teams to reach the teens/20s.
Bet their forum sucks compared to ours though :D :D :D :D Best forum in the league by far (I regularly read 2 others, they mostly suck).
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 02, 2023, 04:00:39 AM
Shawn Lemon
Next move will be the best move !!
What is the "best move" in the CFL? That's gotta mean just 1 thing: Bombers. The only other possibility would be GC champs TOR? Not what I'd call the "best move", but I could see someone else argue that (if their name was Pinball).
If our DL is in a sorry state (esp stopping the run and no one respects our DTs so double-teams the DEs) early in the season, we could do worse than bring in Lemon. Just no one tell Matt Nichols...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 02, 2023, 06:59:38 AM
What is the "best move" in the CFL? That's gotta mean just 1 thing: Bombers. The only other possibility would be GC champs TOR? Not what I'd call the "best move", but I could see someone else argue that (if their name was Pinball).
If our DL is in a sorry state (esp stopping the run and no one respects our DTs so double-teams the DEs) early in the season, we could do worse than bring in Lemon. Just no one tell Matt Nichols...
A healthy Lemon opposite Jefferson or in a Cheetah with the Jeffs and Thomas would be a sight to see... IF he still has game. Getting released says a lot, either they gave him too much, or he did not winter well... or both.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2023, 03:31:59 PM
A healthy Lemon opposite Jefferson or in a Cheetah with the Jeffs and Thomas would be a sight to see... IF he still has game. Getting released says a lot, either they gave him too much, or he did not winter well... or both.
Couple of other factors to consider, the Lions dumped Lemon the day they signed Kongbo who is both younger and more Canadian.
Like I said before, our management does a good job finding guys. Of course when everyone is cutting, it has to be hard to add. As has been said, let the dust settle, for a while. we will know more in 10 hours.
Quote from: DM83 on June 02, 2023, 06:51:30 PM
Like I said before, our management does a good job finding guys. Of course when everyone is cutting, it has to be hard to add. As has been said, let the dust settle, for a while. we will know more in 10 hours.
Two words: Wilcots, Mack.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 02, 2023, 04:13:33 PM
Couple of other factors to consider, the Lions dumped Lemon the day they signed Kongbo who is both younger and more Canadian.
Haha, now I've seen it all. "More Canadian", is that like "more pregnant"? ;D ;D ;D But ya, Kongbo is certainly "more NAT" than Lemon. ;D
Then again, Kongbo may be "more Canadian" than Woli!! The NAT rules are an oddity, that's for sure.
Actually strike all that: with the new FAKENAT rules maybe there is different levels to NATty-ness. I'd put someone like Gauthier as most-NATty, then a Kongbo, then a Woli, then a Lemon. Then... Agudosi (not NATty in the slightest). Maybe cfl.ca/players will have to be updated to include a NATtiness rating on a 0-5 scale. :D :D :D Then the ratio rule can be changed so that your on-field group reaches a certain NATty sum to be legal. ;D ;D ;D
Stamps release Derek Dennis.
https://3downnation.com/2023/06/02/calgary-stampeders-release-veteran-left-tackle-derek-dennis/
Is Wilcots a player?
Quote from: DM83 on June 03, 2023, 08:11:44 PM
Is Wilcots a player?
One of two defensive DL players that were Bombers in 2022. Neither had much success.
Whole piles of players no one ever heard of being released.
Here is the CFL Cutdown Tracker.
https://www.cfl.ca/2023/06/02/cutdown-tracker-teams-make-their-final-roster-moves/
Stampeders release 22 in final roster cuts, including American defensive back Brad Muhammad.
https://3downnation.com/2023/06/03/stampeders-release-22-in-final-roster-cuts-including-american-defensive-back-brad-muhammad/
Redblacks release 21 as part of final roster cuts, including Canadian punter Jake Julien.
https://3downnation.com/2023/06/03/redblacks-release-21-as-part-of-final-roster-cuts-including-canadian-punter-jake-julien/
Argos release 19 as part of final roster cuts, including QB Ben Holmes
https://3downnation.com/2023/06/02/argos-release-19-as-part-of-final-roster-cuts-including-qb-ben-holmes/
Elks release Matthew Thomas. 51 tackles in 2022. DE/LB 6'3" 230.
Thanks Blue
Also thanks for info on who was released by other teams.
Bombers look like a lot of very good players. I prefer we go back to four exhibitions? Did we ever have four? Well maybe. Three.
Also time in pads needs to be increased. To allow for that, add two weeks to the season, increased roster size and at least five days between games.
People need time to heal.
Just some tweaking.
Quote from: DM83 on June 03, 2023, 09:18:09 PM
Thanks Blue
Also thanks for info on who was released by other teams.
Bombers look like a lot of very good players. I prefer we go back to four exhibitions? Did we ever have four? Well maybe. Three.
Also time in pads needs to be increased. To allow for that, add two weeks to the season, increased roster size and at least five days between games.
People need time to heal.
Just some tweaking.
In the past there were 4 exhibition games and 16 regular season games. Can't remember exactly when that changed. The catch 22 is that regular season games create more revenue in both live and TV situations.
The game is faster with bigger better players than in the 1950's - 1990's. Rules to protect players means fewer days in pads, less practices etc. It's the way to go.
Just look at any old game and compare the speed and hitting in game today.
Quote from: DM83 on June 03, 2023, 09:18:09 PM
Thanks Blue
Also thanks for info on who was released by other teams.
Bombers look like a lot of very good players. I prefer we go back to four exhibitions? Did we ever have four? Well maybe. Three.
Also time in pads needs to be increased. To allow for that, add two weeks to the season, increased roster size and at least five days between games.
People need time to heal.
Just some tweaking.
I prefer we had no exhibition games. We didn't have a preseason in 2021 and we managed just fine. I know the coaches like preseason games but as a fan I find it kind of boring. Lets get on with the real season.
Ottawa: Tre Hornbuckle (DE) 6'4" 255, 21 DT, 5 sacks.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 03, 2023, 09:01:17 PM
Elks release Matthew Thomas. 51 tackles in 2022. DE/LB 6'3" 230.
We gotta roster him just so we can have 3 Thomas's on our DL!!! That would drive the stats people and fans nuts. ;D ;D ;D ;D
We really do gotta scrap heap ourselves another DE.
Stamps released Nat LB Jordan Herdman-Reed.
So Kongbo was only worth a 4th rounder in a trade?
I think I am missing something, he came back from the NFL wen to BC, no word if we looked at him, we all assumed Lemon was released to make room for him, then after preseason he get's traded to Hammy and BC only gets a 4th round back....did something happen to him, injury or personality wise?
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 05, 2023, 03:20:29 PM
So Kongbo was only worth a 4th rounder in a trade?
I think I am missing something, he came back from the NFL wen to BC, no word if we looked at him, we all assumed Lemon was released to make room for him, then after preseason he get's traded to Hammy and BC only gets a 4th round back....did something happen to him, injury or personality wise?
Kind of an odd. Not 100% sure what to make of it. It's important to remember we are talking about a guy who has 4 sacks in 26 career games, though.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 05, 2023, 03:20:29 PM
So Kongbo was only worth a 4th rounder in a trade?
I think I am missing something, he came back from the NFL wen to BC, no word if we looked at him, we all assumed Lemon was released to make room for him, then after preseason he get's traded to Hammy and BC only gets a 4th round back....did something happen to him, injury or personality wise?
So weird. You have to think Kongbo might be a little miffed, signing to be immediately traded. Either he has a personal reason for wanting to go east, or something transpired during training camp that made the Lions question the fit.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 05, 2023, 03:25:04 PM
Kind of an odd. Not 100% sure what to make of it. It's important to remember we are talking about a guy who has 4 sacks in 26 career games, though.
Sounds like according to Farhan it was an "attitude" non fit issue
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"not a fit in the room" per Farjan's tweet.
can we send a conditional 3rd (escalated to 2nd) to get him from Ticats?
He was not a problem in that locker room
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 05, 2023, 03:25:04 PM
Kind of an odd. Not 100% sure what to make of it. It's important to remember we are talking about a guy who has 4 sacks in 26 career games, though.
In my eyes, Kongbo was a decent Canadian rotational backup at DE. But he was never starter material. Hopefully Bennett grows into the same kind of role as the season wears on.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 05, 2023, 03:36:41 PM
"not a fit in the room" per Farjan's tweet.
can we send a conditional 3rd (escalated to 2nd) to get him from Ticats?
He was not a problem in that locker room
He maybe suffering from the post NFL enlarged cranium syndrome...
now the Bombers should really get Lemon. BC could circle back
Quote from: the paw on June 05, 2023, 03:45:40 PM
He maybe suffering from the post NFL enlarged cranium syndrome...
It was not an issue when he came back to the Bombers after his first NFL stint
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 05, 2023, 03:40:48 PM
In my eyes, Kongbo was a decent Canadian rotational backup at DE. But he was never starter material. Hopefully Bennett grows into the same kind of role as the season wears on.
Can't disagree with that comment. I don't know much about Bennett. He may have more upside, but I would have given up a similar draft pick to get him back until we know what we have at DE. Kongbo would be at least more ready to take snaps on defence than Bennett as a rookie. There was at least one poster suggesting Bennett was a bust. Obviously it's too early to make that judgment but is he ready for his role NOW? He wouldn't be the 1st rookie to succeed.
It didn't cost the Ti Cats much but they didn't really need him either. Their DL is going to cause problems for opponents.
"not a fit in the lockerroom" is a big red flag for an Oshea team... might it be why he ended up in BC? Did the interview him and realize he has changed? Might he be looking for an assured starting spot, and with the Jeff's here, he knew that wasn't happening here?
WBB are loyal to a fault, and I could never see them signing Kongbo and releasing Jeffcoat they way BC dumped Lemon...
Still no word on Lemon's "Best move yet"...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 05, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
"not a fit in the lockerroom" is a big red flag for an Oshea team... might it be why he ended up in BC? Did the interview him and realize he has changed? Might he be looking for an assured starting spot, and with the Jeff's here, he knew that wasn't happening here?
WBB are loyal to a fault, and I could never see them signing Kongbo and releasing Jeffcoat they way BC dumped Lemon...
Still no word on Lemon's "Best move yet"...
...He just said the next move will be his best move. There's no word on it because it just means that whatever he does next will be "the best".
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 05, 2023, 03:40:48 PM
In my eyes, Kongbo was a decent Canadian rotational backup at DE. But he was never starter material. Hopefully Bennett grows into the same kind of role as the season wears on.
Bennett is LB sized, 6'-0" 235 lbs. and he doesn't seem to have an exceptional engine like Kwaku Boateng, I have no idea why the Bombers think he can contribute at DE. He never got close to pressuring a QB in the 2 pre-season games playing against other teams half-cuts.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 05, 2023, 04:56:45 PM
"not a fit in the lockerroom" is a big red flag for an Oshea team... might it be why he ended up in BC? Did the interview him and realize he has changed? Might he be looking for an assured starting spot, and with the Jeff's here, he knew that wasn't happening here?
WBB are loyal to a fault, and I could never see them signing Kongbo and releasing Jeffcoat they way BC dumped Lemon...
Still no word on Lemon's "Best move yet"...
Check out Kongbo's response on Twitter.
He has something to say about it.
Quote from: Jesse on June 05, 2023, 05:23:20 PM
Check out Kongbo's response on Twitter.
He has something to say about it.
Jonathan Kongbo
"Not a fit?" because I called out star players not showing up for practice, and guys not wanting to work out. Culture matters, it's called pro football for a reason.
Could be some fallout in Hamilton ratio-wise, former Bomber DE Wilcots is on the 6-game IR, he may shake loose once healthy.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 05, 2023, 05:30:56 PM
Jonathan Kongbo
"Not a fit?" because I called out star players not showing up for practice, and guys not wanting to work out. Culture matters, it's called pro football for a reason.
Sounds like an excellent endorsement of our front office and coaching. No wonder Lawler wanted back. This is a professional team. That's not the case everywhere else.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 05, 2023, 05:36:58 PM
Could be some fallout in Hamilton ratio-wise, former Bomber DE Wilcots is on the 6-game IR, he may shake loose once healthy.
Wouldn't want Wilcots back in any case. 6 weeks on IR could be entire season since we don't know what the injury was .
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 05, 2023, 03:40:48 PM
In my eyes, Kongbo was a decent Canadian rotational backup at DE. But he was never starter material. Hopefully Bennett grows into the same kind of role as the season wears on.
Kongbo was good rotational material in his rookie year. That showed great promise. He was never starter material while here, and his impact was limited, but the idea was he could grow into a top notch DE. And he helped keep the 2 J's fresh without being a complete disappointment.
He had trouble getting through the line, but was good at contain and chase.
I still think he can develop into one of the best NAT DEs. But that's not saying much. He probably will never be at "2 J" level, but that's ok. I would bring him back for 4RDP in a heartbeat if he's reasonable $$, which he probably is or HAM could never have afforded him.
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"not a fit in the lockerroom" is a big red flag for an Oshea team... might it be why he ended up in BC? Did the interview him and realize he has changed? Might he be looking for an assured starting spot, and with the Jeff's here, he knew that wasn't happening here?[/b]
WBB are loyal to a fault, and I could never see them signing Kongbo and releasing Jeffcoat they way BC dumped Lemon...
Still no word on Lemon's "Best move yet"...
wrong assumption
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 05, 2023, 06:34:40 PM
wrong assumption
Looks that way...
Have to wonder what the per game cap hit is. Did BC give him any up front money? Usually these contract details leak by now...
In 2021 JK2: 14 games. 16 DT, 1 ST, 3 Sacks. Not to bad for a rotational player. Had a very solid game against Sask. in the WF. 3 DT, 1 ST.
Ham current DE's...
90 Bennett, Mason HAM DE N 6'4 262 25 North Dakota
93 Boateng, Kwaku HAM DE N 6'2 257 28 Wilfrid Laurier
5 Carney, Malik HAM DE A 6'3 245 27 North Carolina
49 Crawford, Tre' HAM DE A 6'3 245 26 UAB
56 Davis, Ja'Gared HAM DE A 6'1 238 32 Southern Methodist
91 Federico, Anthony HAM DE N 6'4 240 25 Queen's
96 Wilcots II, Cedric HAM DE A 6'3 249 25 New Mexico State
Why? With DT's:
94 Diallo, Mohamed HAM DT N 6'5 305 25 Arizona
97 Laurent, Ted HAM DT N 6'1 299 35 Mississippi
95 Martin, Reece HAM DT N 6'5 190 22 Mount Allison University
92 Mulumba, Chris HAM DT G 6'4 285 30 Colorado
99 Pinckney, Nyles HAM DT A 6'1 295 25 Minnesota
44 Sayles, Casey HAM DT A 6'4 282 27 Ohio
40 Williams, McKinley HAM DT A 6'4 285 25 Syracuse
98 Wynn, Dylan HAM DT A 6'2 283 30 Oregon State
Makes no sense trading for Kongbo... unless they are going to play NAT heavy D... even then...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 05, 2023, 07:08:05 PM
Ham current DE's...
90 Bennett, Mason HAM DE N 6'4 262 25 North Dakota
93 Boateng, Kwaku HAM DE N 6'2 257 28 Wilfrid Laurier
5 Carney, Malik HAM DE A 6'3 245 27 North Carolina
49 Crawford, Tre' HAM DE A 6'3 245 26 UAB
56 Davis, Ja'Gared HAM DE A 6'1 238 32 Southern Methodist
91 Federico, Anthony HAM DE N 6'4 240 25 Queen's
96 Wilcots II, Cedric HAM DE A 6'3 249 25 New Mexico State
Why? With DT's:
94 Diallo, Mohamed HAM DT N 6'5 305 25 Arizona
97 Laurent, Ted HAM DT N 6'1 299 35 Mississippi
95 Martin, Reece HAM DT N 6'5 190 22 Mount Allison University
92 Mulumba, Chris HAM DT G 6'4 285 30 Colorado
99 Pinckney, Nyles HAM DT A 6'1 295 25 Minnesota
44 Sayles, Casey HAM DT A 6'4 282 27 Ohio
40 Williams, McKinley HAM DT A 6'4 285 25 Syracuse
98 Wynn, Dylan HAM DT A 6'2 283 30 Oregon State
Makes no sense trading for Kongbo... unless they are going to play NAT heavy D... even then...
I know, unbelievable, wouldn't be surprised to see them dump 3 or 4 of these players, it's unsustainable.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 05, 2023, 06:59:44 PM
In 2021 JK2: 14 games. 16 DT, 1 ST, 3 Sacks. Not to bad for a rotational player. Had a very solid game against Sask. in the WF. 3 DT, 1 ST.
Kongbo more than has the talent to be a starter in this league.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 05, 2023, 07:08:05 PM
Ham current DE's...
90 Bennett, Mason HAM DE N 6'4 262 25 North Dakota
93 Boateng, Kwaku HAM DE N 6'2 257 28 Wilfrid Laurier
5 Carney, Malik HAM DE A 6'3 245 27 North Carolina
49 Crawford, Tre' HAM DE A 6'3 245 26 UAB
56 Davis, Ja'Gared HAM DE A 6'1 238 32 Southern Methodist
91 Federico, Anthony HAM DE N 6'4 240 25 Queen's
96 Wilcots II, Cedric HAM DE A 6'3 249 25 New Mexico State
Why? With DT's:
94 Diallo, Mohamed HAM DT N 6'5 305 25 Arizona
97 Laurent, Ted HAM DT N 6'1 299 35 Mississippi
95 Martin, Reece HAM DT N 6'5 190 22 Mount Allison University
92 Mulumba, Chris HAM DT G 6'4 285 30 Colorado
99 Pinckney, Nyles HAM DT A 6'1 295 25 Minnesota
44 Sayles, Casey HAM DT A 6'4 282 27 Ohio
40 Williams, McKinley HAM DT A 6'4 285 25 Syracuse
98 Wynn, Dylan HAM DT A 6'2 283 30 Oregon State
Makes no sense trading for Kongbo... unless they are going to play NAT heavy D... even then...
Wynn and Wilcots both on the 6 game.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 05, 2023, 07:22:22 PM
Kongbo more than has the talent to be a starter in this league.
I really liked his development. Now that the NFL is behind him, he can focus on the CFL. I think he's going to be a good one.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 05, 2023, 07:39:29 PM
Wynn and Wilcots both on the 6 game.
Wynn is a DT. TiCats have / had 3 other National DE, 2 DT's and 1 global DL. 13 DL on this list ( IR excluded ) in total before acquiring Kongbo. I only see 9 on the AR though?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 05, 2023, 07:47:34 PM
Wynn is a DT. TiCats have / had 3 other National DE, 2 DT's and 1 global DL. 13 DL on this list ( IR excluded ) in total before acquiring Kongbo. I only see 9 on the AR though?
Whether he is a DT or DE, he is on the 6 game.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 05, 2023, 07:39:29 PM
Wynn and Wilcots both on the 6 game.
3 more on the PR.
B.C. Lions sign former Riders' running back Kienan LaFrance
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The B.C. Lions have signed Canadian running back Kienan LaFrance, per sources. He was released by the Saskatchewan Roughriders as part of cutdown day across the CFL. Last season, the 32-year-old recorded nine carries for 39 yards, five receptions for 28 yards, and four special teams tackles. The five-foot-ten, 214-pound ball-carrier was selected in the [?]
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 05, 2023, 08:35:02 PM
B.C. Lions sign former Riders' running back Kienan LaFrance
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The B.C. Lions have signed Canadian running back Kienan LaFrance, per sources. He was released by the Saskatchewan Roughriders as part of cutdown day across the CFL. Last season, the 32-year-old recorded nine carries for 39 yards, five receptions for 28 yards, and four special teams tackles. The five-foot-ten, 214-pound ball-carrier was selected in the [?]
One great game in the snow, and he's dined out on that for quite a while... good depth guy, for sure, right passport. But is he a roster changer?
Quote from: theaardvark on June 05, 2023, 09:01:06 PM
One great game in the snow, and he's dined out on that for quite a while... good depth guy, for sure, right passport. But is he a roster changer?
Umm, no. And nobody said he was.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 05, 2023, 09:01:06 PM
One great game in the snow, and he's dined out on that for quite a while... good depth guy, for sure, right passport. But is he a roster changer?
No idea, probably picked him up as a competent ST player, they let Butler walk in F.A. and currently have a single unknown import RB Taquan Mazzel on their roster and another unknown Natl. on their PR. David Mackie is listed as FB, can't recall if they let him run or not.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 05, 2023, 09:14:29 PM
No idea, probably picked him up as a competent ST player, they let Butler walk in F.A. and currently have a single unknown import RB Taquan Mazzel on their roster and another unknown Natl. on their PR. David Mackie is listed as FB, can't recall if they let him run or not.
Mackie had 19 carries for 94 yards and some receptions as well in 2022. So not the best overall situation for the Lions. LaFrance doesn't really help that part of the game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 05, 2023, 09:25:47 PM
Mackie had 19 carries for 94 yards and some receptions as well in 2022. So not the best overall situation for the Lions. LaFrance doesn't really help that part of the game.
The Lions are out of sync. on this one, every other Western team is building killer running games that will be hard to stop come nasty weather, it's not like they don't have the horses to plow anymore.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 05, 2023, 08:35:02 PM
The B.C. Lions have signed Canadian running back Kienan LaFrance, per sources. He was released by the Saskatchewan Roughriders as part of cutdown day across the CFL.
Maybe to keep him out of our hands? JA27 looking bad in PS maybe we might have considered another kick at the Kienan? Is JA > KLF? Not sure anymore.
Anyhow, forgetting about us, Lions taking KLF makes no sense at all. He'd be best suited to a team starting a NAT RB. Like TLB says, maybe just ST-only, and 3rd-string O depth? But why? Aren't some of the '22/'23 DPs showing more verve??
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 05, 2023, 09:46:12 PM
Maybe to keep him out of our hands? JA27 looking bad in PS maybe we might have considered another kick at the Kienan? Is JA > KLF? Not sure anymore.
Anyhow, forgetting about us, Lions taking KLF makes no sense at all. He'd be best suited to a team starting a NAT RB. Like TLB says, maybe just ST-only, and 3rd-string O depth? But why? Aren't some of the '22/'23 DPs showing more verve??
I doubt it and in pre season we used so many 2nd string and rookie OL. Augustine had a 4.5 yard average on 65 rushes last year. That's not bad for the back up RB.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 05, 2023, 09:46:12 PM
Maybe to keep him out of our hands? JA27 looking bad in PS maybe we might have considered another kick at the Kienan? Is JA > KLF? Not sure anymore.
Anyhow, forgetting about us, Lions taking KLF makes no sense at all. He'd be best suited to a team starting a NAT RB. Like TLB says, maybe just ST-only, and 3rd-string O depth? But why? Aren't some of the '22/'23 DPs showing more verve??
Sask. didn't use him much at RB even after both their imports went down, they picked up Shaq Cooper to tide them over.
As for Augustine I have faith he'll shine when the holes open up, he's never been great breaking tackles in the backfield but give him space and he explodes.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 05, 2023, 09:52:51 PM
I doubt it and in pre season we used so many 2nd string and rookie OL. Augustine had a 4.5 yard average on 65 rushes last year. That's not bad for the back up RB.
It wasn't that JA looked bad, it's that Salima looked so good (with a similar hodgepodge of OL). If it was just JA playing that PS2 game, I would have said he was great let's keep him. It's the side-to-side comparison that looks bad.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 05, 2023, 10:14:30 PM
As for Augustine I have faith he'll shine when the holes open up, he's never been great breaking tackles in the backfield but give him space and he explodes.
Oh for sure 100%. You could see it on every carry. He was looking for the hole and then accelerating hard into it. He's totally a speed guy, and if he had slipped through even once he was going to get big yards. He was just itching to bust out. But nothing opened up and he wasn't slippery enough. And he couldn't bruise through it like Salima did or BO20 would. JA is a lot like a McCrae (but with worse hands). I'm not sure that style is an every-down fit for WPG as we currently stand.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 05, 2023, 11:27:54 PM
It wasn't that JA looked bad, it's that Salima looked so good (with a similar hodgepodge of OL). If it was just JA playing that PS2 game, I would have said he was great let's keep him. It's the side-to-side comparison that looks bad.
Oh for sure 100%. You could see it on every carry. He was looking for the hole and then accelerating hard into it. He's totally a speed guy, and if he had slipped through even once he was going to get big yards. He was just itching to bust out. But nothing opened up and he wasn't slippery enough. And he couldn't bruise through it like Salima did or BO20 would. JA is a lot like a McCrae (but with worse hands). I'm not sure that style is an every-down fit for WPG as we currently stand.
No doubt Salima looked great and it's sad they didn't retain him on the PR, but he did have the advantage of playing with Piggy which opens up the running options, while Johnny played with Dru Brown who is going to hand off or throw.
Jamal Peters just got released by the Falcons. I can't remember if he's still under contract in Toronto or a complete free agent. He may be returning to Canada? He's an excellent player.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 06, 2023, 01:51:04 PM
Jamal Peters just got released by the Falcons. I can't remember if he's still under contract in Toronto or a complete free agent. He may be returning to Canada? He's an excellent player.
He plays defence, don't worry Hammy will sign him....lol