Still technically the off-season but this seemed like good news worth sharing: https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/welcome-to-the-jets-sara-orlesky/c-335286544 (https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/welcome-to-the-jets-sara-orlesky/c-335286544)
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WINNIPEG - True North Sports + Entertainment and the Winnipeg Jets are excited to welcome seasoned sports broadcaster Sara Orlesky to the Jets content team. As Sr. Host/Producer, Orlesky will bring a unique voice and exceptional storytelling ability to the team's exclusive, in-depth and behind-the-scenes coverage across all Winnipeg Jets platforms.
Born and raised in Winnipeg, Orlesky is a familiar face for Winnipeg sports fans, having hosted Jets ON TSN broadcasts for the last 11 seasons. She brings 20 years of sports broadcasting experience to the Jets content team having covered premier sporting events across the globe, including the Stanley Cup Finals, IIHF World Junior Championships, and the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Winter Games, as well as covering the sidelines for the last 13 Grey Cup broadcasts.
"Having covered the Jets since day one, I know how incredibly passionate fans are about this team," Orlesky said. "I'm excited to join the organization and help provide fans with new and exciting coverage of their favourite players and team."
Congratulations to Sarah. Always appreciated her on the Bomber games. Great knowledge and personality.
Seems like an appropriate time to sticky the 2022/2023 Jets thread. 2021/2022 will be retired.
https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-celebrate-teemu-selanne-teppo-numminen-with-hall-of-fame-induction/c-335303706
Nov. 17th is the ceremony at the arena (vs. ANA). Love it!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 17, 2022, 07:47:26 PM
https://www.nhl.com/jets/news/jets-celebrate-teemu-selanne-teppo-numminen-with-hall-of-fame-induction/c-335303706
Nov. 17th is the ceremony at the arena (vs. ANA). Love it!
oh cool this is awesome! I would like to be there for that one! Thanks for posting.
Alex Chiasson, 6'4" 210 vet forward shoots right. Looks like he is still an FA??? Played for 800K last year. This would be an good signing for a 3rd. or 4th line player. He's big and plays with lot of grit.
TC is getting closer ......... what's happening Chevy
Quote from: Jockitch on August 28, 2022, 09:14:18 PM
TC is getting closer ......... what's happening Chevy
Exactly what he's told us would happen.
Quote from: Jockitch on August 28, 2022, 09:14:18 PM
TC is getting closer ......... what's happening Chevy
NOTHING FRIGGIN NOTHING!
Jets sign veteran F Gagner: https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-sam-gagner-1.1843881
Nice move, IMO. Low risk, reasonably high reward.
back on August 9th threw Gagner's name out there as a longshot to be signed , which was after I recommended Tyler Motte.
Who knew that Chevy was reading our discussions or NOT ;D ;D
Anyways, he still has to prove himself each shift but hopefully he provides the team with some savvy.
Basically fills the role Stastny had here but at a lower rate of production and thus, a much lower price. Should be able to fit into the bottom 6 quite nicely.
He had 31 points last season, which would have led anyone on our team outside of the top 6, so I think it?s good piece.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2022, 11:46:57 PM
He had 31 points last season, which would have led anyone on our team outside of the top 6, so I think it?s good piece.
Yes, After our top 6 we were not very productive.
KC81- 91 Points.
MS55- 70
PL80- 60
BW26- 60
NE27- 55
PS25- 45
JM44- 37
AC9- 35
NP4- 34
NS88- 32
AL17- 20
Jet's apparently have 5.5M in cap space left. Rodrigues, Motte, Sprong, Milano, Chiasson, still out there.
Wandering if Chevy will stand pat till during TC, pre-season and review other team cuts.
Personally, as mentioned by others, Motte or Rodriguez might look good at TC.
Motte signs with Ottawa, Not happy.
Sounds like the Jets will have no Captain this year. Bowness will also decided who will be the Alternate captains. New coach, new leadership, I like it.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 16, 2022, 03:37:47 PM
Sounds like the Jets will have no Captain this year. Bowness will also decided who will be the Alternate captains. New coach, new leadership, I like it.
Wow really? They stripped Wheeler of his captaincy?
If so I love it. I think Blake is more of a foot soldier than a leader.
New Boss is in town I like it as well.
Disagree, as I believe that Wheels did well as Captain, IMHO. We fans can be tough on players without being in their skates
Will Bowness name 3 or 4 as alternates ? In essence the former assistant captains were also put on hold
Quote from: Jockitch on September 16, 2022, 06:11:38 PM
Disagree, as I believe that Wheels did well as Captain, IMHO. We fans can be tough on players without being in their skates
Will Bowness name 3 or 4 as alternates ? In essence the former assistant captains were also put on hold
I like it because it gives BW26 time to just play hockey and not have to deal with all the crap that is going on around the team. it's a new being and everyone is accountable.
I think there is 7 teams right now that don't have a captain right now.
Quote from: Jockitch on September 16, 2022, 06:11:38 PM
Disagree, as I believe that Wheels did well as Captain, IMHO. We fans can be tough on players without being in their skates
Will Bowness name 3 or 4 as alternates ? In essence the former assistant captains were also put on hold
I agree. Wheeler is the closest thing to a captain this franchise has ever seen, and we thank him for his service by demoting him and then saying we are one big family. Wha wha Whaaaat?! Sure Ricky que up sister sledge and sing it for us. What a moron. You make someone captain when they?ve earned it and the respect of the locker room. Sorry, we don?t have 4 ?leaders? in our lineup. We have wheeler and we have sheriffs, and that?s it for leaders. Just look at the way they play and lead on the ice. You don?t need any letters on their jerseys just a pair of eyes to watch how they play. Absolutely ridiculous move, can?t wait for more from the rube we have behind the bench now. We are in for a long long nose dive with this team.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 16, 2022, 06:43:12 PM
I like it because it gives BW26 time to just play hockey and not have to deal with all the crap that is going on around the team. it's a new being and everyone is accountable.
Maybe this will help him get back to the basics. I'm interested to see who Bowness picks for the new group.
I thought Wheeler sucked. Then I learned he played with broken ribs, got through Covid, and a quitter Coach all the while playing with a pouting Shieffle, and still putting up a ton of points.
Cripes what more do you want a guy to do.
Now it's time to put up with that floater Shieffle. Notice how many times he appeared during televised interviews in the year 2022.
Enjoyed both first TC practices . Really felt Wheels led by example in his group. However there definitely was no room for slackers today.
Wheel with PLD and Perfetti were good with the puck in creating close in chances.
Ehlers in the early grouping still looks soooooo sneaky fast ? Yahoo
Bowness, especially, and staff really get into the slapping of their sticks to motivate for tempo.
The tempo is extreme and tongues were hanging in both sessions at their finishes.
Aggressive of note, IMHO, Stanley pinching, Harkins vs PLD, Stenlund, Reichel, Wheels and Lowry
Good flinish around the net, Perfetti, Gagner, Lambert, Malott, and a few of the usuals
Overall, feeling there will be know shortage of intensity during TC, cuz Bowness and staff are invested
Quote from: DM83 on September 20, 2022, 06:59:24 PM
I thought Wheeler sucked. Then I learned he played with broken ribs, got through Covid, and a quitter Coach all the while playing with a pouting Shieffle, and still putting up a ton of points.
Cripes what more do you want a guy to do.
Now it's time to put up with that floater Shieffle. Notice how many times he appeared during televised interviews in the year 2022.
I agree. Wheeler gave his all, then he gets his C taken away from coach newbie, who preaches were all one big family?? What a total joke. I feel sorry for wheeler that he got treated this way, and I feel sorry for jets fans, as the incoming implosion is going to be painful!!!
Zero burger. Great start! Dubey was apparently coasting out there. Stanley had brain cramp after brain cramp in slow mo.
First pre-season game.
Went about as well as you would think.
Some other Jets news. Dale's statue is now up. That is going to be a great night. This token or coin they will be giving out at the game, should be pretty cool also.
John Lu coming to Winnipeg to cover the jets for TSN...
Quote from: The Zipp on September 27, 2022, 01:11:07 AM
John Lu coming to Winnipeg to cover the jets for TSN...
I like this development. He was great in Montreal.
Can only wish for a sell out on Dale's tribute night
Well just got home from the Jets game. Lots of empty seats. Connor looked very good tonight. D was pretty solid. Helly made some nice saves. Torgersson had a nice night.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 28, 2022, 03:14:35 AM
Well just got home from the Jets game. Lots of empty seats. Connor looked very good tonight. D was pretty solid. Helly made some nice saves. Torgersson had a nice night.
Bowness was not as kind in his assessment.
Quote from: Jesse on September 28, 2022, 01:43:42 PM
Bowness was not as kind in his assessment.
Nor should he be. The Jets have a lot of work to do if they want to compete for a playoff spot in the gauntlet that is the Central Division.
I hope the team buys in and is up to the challenge.
At practices today, 3rd day of camp watching. Hustle, hustle always and high tempo of reps on drills.
Dillon and Heinola work very well together. Toninato & Gagner must be looking over their shoulders as major competition is happening
Maenalanen, Torgesson, Stenlund, Gustafsson certainly impress and Reichel isn't to be ignored either.
Now throw in Morgan Barron, in a Red jersey, put in his first day at camp, in limited drills.
Quote from: Jockitch on September 29, 2022, 04:01:29 AM
At practices today, 3rd day of camp watching. Hustle, hustle always and high tempo of reps on drills.
Dillon and Heinola work very well together. Toninato & Gagner must be looking over their shoulders as major competition is happening
Maenalanen, Torgesson, Stenlund, Gustafsson certainly impress and Reichel isn't to be ignored either.
Now throw in Morgan Barron, in a Red jersey, put in his first day at camp, in limited drills.
There is a random collection of names I've never heard before that seem to be impressing.
Obviously wont shake up the top lines, but our bottom 6 might have a new look.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 27, 2022, 01:11:07 AM
John Lu coming to Winnipeg to cover the jets for TSN...
native son coming home? If so that is cool.
In a season or two Lambert just might be a mix of Conners & Ehlers ....... wishful thinking
Interesting PL80 interview tonight.
I thought some of our young played well. Reichel, Maier, and Lambert. Far too many penalties.
A few careless penalties but unfortunately some very iffy calls made by refs going both ways
Though a Perfetti fan, can?t help but think a few players aren?t going to get an opportunity that his reputation may afford him
Chances galore that didn?t make it in but saw some nice skill offensively
Skinner was the difference overall.
Lambert may end up back in Jr. but what a talent that may blossom in the near future
It was nice watch CP91 playing with Lambert last night.
SG89 looked very comfortable on the PP.
DR33 made some very good saves and looked solid.
Took to many penalties.
Great goaltending by Rittich, Gagner fed some real nice passes with Conner & Ehlers finishing
Risk or reward with Heinola but I think Bowness will play him in top 6 D. to start the season
Quote from: Jockitch on October 06, 2022, 08:38:28 PM
Great goaltending by Rittich, Gagner fed some real nice passes with Conner & Ehlers finishing
Risk or reward with Heinola but I think Bowness will play him in top 6 D. to start the season
I am not a fan of Heinola. Maybe the 7th D man.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 06, 2022, 08:51:00 PM
I am not a fan of Heinola. Maybe the 7th D man.
He's in the top-6 or he's on the Moose.
Doesn't seem like any of the kids have stepped up to take that 6th spot.
Noticed Rittich wearing Big Bufs old number 33, and he had a good game.
Are the game highlights posted anywhere ?
We are getting outshot 35-14 by Calgary but are leading 5-2 !
Our players seem to be buying into the new system focusing on speed and checking.
How was that not a boarding penalty by Dube on Perfetti ? ???
Hopefully Dubois is okay.
Jets lose Kovacevic to Montreal. Berdin suspended and heading back to Russia? Not a good week for the Manitoba Moose.
Still holding onto to Logan Stanley though.
Hope he starts to show some improvement this year.
Quote from: Jesse on October 10, 2022, 02:43:19 PM
Still holding onto to Logan Stanley though.
Hope he starts to show some improvement this year.
I think Stanley is a lost cause as an full time NHLer at this point.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 10, 2022, 06:57:16 PM
I think Stanley is a lost cause as an full time NHLer at this point.
Just a year and half ago he was the real deal in the playoffs when we swept the Coilers.
Dang..
Harkins and Heinola back with the Moose.
When do they release their line up/depth chart?
Lowry, Morrissey, and Scheifele will serve as alternate captains this season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 13, 2022, 06:58:56 PM
Lowry, Morrissey, and Scheifele will serve as alternate captains this season.
No surprises then
Lambert signs Maximum rookie deal, 1.2M per.
Confident in the decisions Bowness and his staff made, overall, in trimming roster down to 23.
Hopefully the injuries are minimal and the blend of skilled players, plugging into the lineup spots, are up to the task.
The Jets need improved bottom 6 skaters finishing around the net. Suggested example, Lowry can't have only 8 assists over the regular season.
Understand that A Stanley Cup has not been won or lost this week and the long season will have it's rewards.
Quote from: Jockitch on October 14, 2022, 01:52:45 AM
Confident in the decisions Bowness and his staff made, overall, in trimming roster down to 23.
Hopefully the injuries are minimal and the blend of skilled players, plugging into the lineup spots, are up to the task.
The Jets need improved bottom 6 skaters finishing around the net. Suggested example, Lowry can't have only 8 assists over the regular season.
Understand that A Stanley Cup has not been won or lost this week and the long season will have it's rewards.
Agree with all of that.
I feel pretty strongly that we'll have a better season than last year. The boys seem more committed to the D zone which will help Helle have a strong year.
Bowness needs to run 4 lines and not let the top 2 run the show. His desire to shorten their shift lengths seems to indicate he's making that a priority.
Rangers are playing their third game of the season already while we're still implementing new systems, so might be a slow start to the year, but hoping we can start strong.
A better 200 ft. game is necessary and I think Bowness and his staff have prioritized that. As long as the players buy in, I expect a better season than the last.
Tonight should be a good test, even if the Rangers are playing their third game in four nights.
Go Jets Go!
Lines and pairs for tonight's home opener:
Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - Dubois - Wheeler
Barron - Lowry - Appleton
Maenalanen - Gustafsson - Gagner
Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - Schmidt
Hellebuyck gets the start between the pipes.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 14, 2022, 04:14:09 PM
Lines and pairs for tonight's home opener:
Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Perfetti - Dubois - Wheeler
Barron - Lowry - Appleton
Maenalanen - Gustafsson - Gagner
Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Pionk
Stanley - Schmidt
Hellebuyck gets the start between the pipes.
Well, we don't have more talent than last year.
Any improvements need to come from within. A commitment to both ends, raising Helle's effectiveness, could still win a lot of games.
Dubois is hopefully still on the upswing of his career and Mark should have a much better season than last year.
Perfetti is my ROY pick.
Quote from: Jesse on October 14, 2022, 07:49:19 PM
Well, we don't have more talent than last year.
Any improvements need to come from within. A commitment to both ends, raising Helle's effectiveness, could still win a lot of games.
Dubois is hopefully still on the upswing of his career and Mark should have a much better season than last year.
Perfetti is my ROY pick.
No Copp and no Stastny don't help but the top 6 is still pretty formidable, the top line in particular. Gagner helps round out the bottom 6 and I think that third line will work well. On paper, it's an inferior forward group compared to a year ago. How it shakes out on the ice will depend on several factors but it sounds like everyone's on the same page to start the season.
With the new system in place, it'll take time to shake off old habits. But if the team has bought in on what Bowness and co. are trying to sell, I'm hopeful we'll see a team that's more responsible in its own end and better when not in possession of the puck. That should help the back end and the goaltender and in turn lead to fewer high danger scoring chances against.
I think Perfetti has a strong season and I'm excited to see what chemistry he'll have with Dubois and Wheeler.
Bowness tests positive for COVID-19, will miss season opener: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-head-coach-bowness-tests-positive-for-covid-19-will-miss-season-opener/
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 14, 2022, 09:32:31 PM
Bowness tests positive for COVID-19, will miss season opener: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-head-coach-bowness-tests-positive-for-covid-19-will-miss-season-opener/
Crappy.
Helly had a great game. MS55 line looked very good. Tons of speed and lots of looks. 4th line with a nice goal, something that didn't happen last year. Barron was all over the place tonight. Not sure what LS64 was doing on that goal???
Great result in front of fans aching for an exciting victory WOWEE, HellB in second period & the game
Quote from: Pigskin on October 15, 2022, 03:54:13 AM
Helly had a great game. MS55 line looked very good. Tons of speed and lots of looks. 4th line with a nice goal, something that didn't happen last year. Barron was all over the place tonight. Not sure what LS64 was doing on that goal???
We got a goal from the 4th line....at the end of the 3rd period...in a tie game.
I tell you, there's a lot of years where they would be no where near the ice in that situation.
Pretty solid performance last night. Hellebuyck was a brick wall in the middle frame.
Gagner's patience on the GWG was huge. And that feed from Dubois to Scheifele to go up 3-1 was awesome.
Fantastic way to kick off the season at home!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 15, 2022, 05:24:40 PM
Pretty solid performance last night. Hellebuyck was a brick wall in the middle frame.
Gagner's patience on the GWG was huge. And that feed from Dubois to Scheifele to go up 3-1 was awesome.
Fantastic way to kick off the season at home!
you nailed it! I was there. Building was electric ala honeymoon years. Just a great night of action.
Big road test for the Jets tonight. Dallas has a good group and tough at home.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 17, 2022, 08:55:18 PM
Big road test for the Jets tonight. Dallas has a good group and tough at home.
Should be a good test in a four-point swing against a division rival tonight.
Scheifele with another opening goal. Gorgeous feed from Connor.
Not a good showing in this ?no hit? contest Ugh !!
Well, that was an unpleasant watch.
Felt so good after the Scheifele goal, but then...
Quote from: Jesse on October 18, 2022, 11:43:07 AM
Well, that was an unpleasant watch.
Felt so good after the Scheifele goal, but then...
Things got a little shaky in the latter half of the first but then they fell apart (again) in the middle frame and couldn't keep up with the Stars.
Gonna have to be much better tomorrow.
Great result in the Colorado high altitude .................. shaky at times but smart 3rd cutting down the chance against
Very good win for the Jets. Bold move putting Apps. and AL17 on the ice to start the OT.
Unexpected win! Pionk had himself a game.
Jets unveiled their 90s retro reverse jerseys this morning, which will go on sale on Nov. 15th.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 20, 2022, 06:50:07 PM
Jets unveiled their 90s retro reverse jerseys this morning, which will go on sale on Nov. 15th.
They're ok, I guess?
I was too young for 1.0 so I can't get it up for the nostalgic stuff, tbh.
Should be another tough game for the Jets. Too bad this has to be on back-to-back nights.
Well, that was a bad 1st. period.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 21, 2022, 06:43:23 AM
Well, that was a bad 1st. period.
Really ruined any chance we had, because the rest of the game seemed much better.
Quote from: Jesse on October 20, 2022, 06:57:42 PM
They're ok, I guess?
I was too young for 1.0 so I can't get it up for the nostalgic stuff, tbh.
Okay would be a compliment, IMO. They're just bland and very forgettable, especially compared to the actual 90s jerseys.
I don't understand what Adidas keeps doing with the colours on the last three alternate jerseys (Aviator, 80s RR, 90s RR). The different blues for each design get washed out, particularly at a distance.
Another swing and a miss if you ask me. Much like the Jets last night.
NE27 out for a couple more games. Not good for the Jets.
Appleton is hustling and showing some heads up moves but hey, he?s not NE27, The Fly
Hustle, hustle but no finish and no blowing away of the Leafs
Coach not wearing a mask on the bench basically breathing all over the players...now today he is having dizzy spells...clearly not ready to return and putting the team at risk.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 24, 2022, 04:47:40 PM
Coach not wearing a mask on the bench basically breathing all over the players...now today he is having dizzy spells...clearly not ready to return and putting the team at risk.
If this is Bowness, he's past the contagious stage, which is why he was able to return, but he said he was still feeling it when he came back.
Did something happen at practice today?
The Jets are struggling with their new system and discipline seems to be an issue.
2-3 through five games isn't a good start. And Bowness not being ostensibly anywhere near 100% isn't good, either.
Quote from: Jesse on October 24, 2022, 05:14:00 PM
If this is Bowness, he's past the contagious stage, which is why he was able to return, but he said he was still feeling it when he came back.
Did something happen at practice today?
Do we really know the contagious period for certain?? Seems it might be different for each person.
Winnipeg Jets head coach Rick Bowness, who missed the first four games of the season due to a bout of COVID-19, suffered a dizzy spell during his media availability on Monday, putting his availability for Monday night?s game against the St. Louis Blues into question.
Fantastic tenacity, enough pucks went in and HellB was perfect
Very good bounce back win for the Jets. Really like our top 3 lines. 36/17/89 working well together. Nice having a guy like SG89 who can jump up and play on any of the top 3 lines if needed.
Best game of the season by far for the Jets. If they can build off that performance, they should be able to make some noise.
Bowness out for the whole road trip.
This is hitting him hard.
Too bad, but Bones needs to stay home rest and get healthy. Arniel has a record of 3-2 as the head coach. I think the Jets play well for him.
Let's put together another good game tonight and come up with a big road victory. Go Jets.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 27, 2022, 09:25:47 PM
Let's put together another good game tonight and come up with a big road victory. Go Jets.
2-1 vs the Kings last year. Let's do at least that well this year.
Terrible first period, but only down by 1. Looked better the last 5 minutes of that period.
Excellent 2nd. Period.
Nice comeback win. Very good 3rd, period.
Oh WOWEE, such a terrific comeback and again HellB was our big Star
Last I saw it was 5-4 after Jonsson-Fjallby got the go-ahead goal. Nice comeback win!
Man, we had no business being in that game, good for the boys for digging it out.
One thing that seems to be different from last season is the rotation of all four lines; we're getting depth and defensive scoring.
I noticed in the last 5 minutes of the game. 8 was playing with 26/80.
I really like the line of 36/17/89. Play well together.
55 on the PK?? This is new.
Demelo with a wide-open net and missed by 4 feet.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 28, 2022, 08:06:47 PM
I noticed in the last 5 minutes of the game. 8 was playing with 26/80.
I really like the line of 36/17/89. Play well together.
55 on the PK?? This is new.
Demelo with a wide-open net and missed by 4 feet.
Yeah, that Demelo miss gonna haunt him...
Nice win on a back-to-back road game. We will take the 2 points.
Decent little win streak going here. Not a pretty win last night but a win all the same.
Should be a good test tomorrow in Vegas.
Ugh, Vegas again.
The Jets play is scary poor! I sure feel for Helleboi he is a real goalie trooper!
4th line was good to.
The rest were pathetic. Utterly pathetic.
It is torture watching this club play hockey.
Arniel and Bowness are not the answer!
Happy Halloween!
Another absolutely brutal showing by everyone except Helle.Had no business being in that game.
But what a brutal way for him to lose. Watching Eichel skate around untouched in the dying seconds of OT. Deserved better.
Brutally outplayed last night. Take the loser point and get the heck outta Vegas. Ugh.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 31, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
Brutally outplayed last night. Take the loser point and get the heck outta Vegas. Ugh.
Indeed plus they got every officials call advantage as per usual.
Nice win for the Jets tonight. Good to see KC get a nice goal in OT.
Geez, was that not a happy player, relief came for Connor and the Jets win , in OT
Was catching, gasping a few times cuz Habs goalie was making it tough
Quote from: Jockitch on November 04, 2022, 05:34:32 AM
Geez, was that not a happy player, relief came for Connor and the Jets win , in OT
Was catching, gasping a few times cuz Habs goalie was making it tough
That was pure joy on his face. Must have been weighing on him.
Good win. Misses many opportunities to end it sooner, but got our 2 points.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 04, 2022, 02:21:22 AM
Nice win for the Jets tonight. Good to see KC get a nice goal in OT.
An absolute beauty of a goal, too.
I forgot how insufferable Habs fans are. The three next to us last night were so annoying.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 04, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
An absolute beauty of a goal, too.
I forgot how insufferable Habs fans are. The three next to us last night were so annoying.
That sounds about right.
Must have been fun to leave with a smug look on your face to them.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 04, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
An absolute beauty of a goal, too.
I forgot how insufferable Habs fans are. The three next to us last night were so annoying.
Yup, they are the worst! That's why i cheer for the Jets and whoever is playing against the Habs. It's a super-nice bonus when we get to be the ones to break their hearts.
I will put the Leafs fans right in there with the Habs fans.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 04, 2022, 05:07:42 PM
I will put the Leafs fans right in there with the Habs fans.
No doubt. Arguably worse.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 04, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
An absolute beauty of a goal, too.
I forgot how insufferable Habs fans are. The three next to us last night were so annoying.
I am curious to know what they were doing to be so annoying? Drunk, obnoxious, loud, all the above?
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 04, 2022, 03:09:56 PM
That sounds about right.
Must have been fun to leave with a smug look on your face to them.
Connor scored the OT winner, I high-fived my buddy, and we left. Sweet victory. ;D
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 04, 2022, 05:59:18 PM
I am curious to know what they were doing to be so annoying? Drunk, obnoxious, loud, all the above?
Obnoxious mostly. Just pure homerism on display.
Jets putting on a special teams clinic today vs. CHI.
Solid effort today in all phases of the game. Nice win.
Beautiful win! It?s early but we look pretty in the standings.
After the first, which was a real good period, the Jets really flexed their skill and hustle.
Certainly was an odd stat to hear of the success of 3 PP goals for our men
Nice shutout for the Dmen and HellB
Only two games next week....but against Dallas (huge game) and Calgary.
Quote from: Jesse on November 06, 2022, 12:45:16 PM
Only two games next week....but against Dallas (huge game) and Calgary.
Calgary is kind of a big one as well when you chronsider wild card implications
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 06, 2022, 01:30:11 PM
Calgary is kind of a big one as well when you chronsider wild card implications
And I love to beat other Canadian teams.
Calgary in a bad funk right now, and their D is beaten up.
The Jets have reportedly added a pledge of core values to the team's locker room and it has every player's signature on it. They came up with the idea while on retreat in Banff prior the season.
Link to WS article: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/what-are-we-capable-of-player-written-creed-providing-compass-for-jets-on-and-off-the-ice
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 08, 2022, 12:49:45 AM
The Jets have reportedly added a pledge of core values to the team's locker room and it has every player's signature on it. They came up with the idea while on retreat in Banff prior the season.
Link to WS article: https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/what-are-we-capable-of-player-written-creed-providing-compass-for-jets-on-and-off-the-ice
Whatever works to get these guys to play hard consistently. I like the effort to create a dynamic culture.
Big game tomorrow. Win over a good Dallas team would be nice.
Would be such a huge win.
Not only because it's for first and sends a message that we are for real this year, but because we've had SUCH a hard time with Dallas lately. I remember them dismantling our hopes and dreams last season every time it looked like we might be a playoff team.
Hintz and Robertson will be a handful in our Dzone , so backchecking deep will be necessary
Sure do miss Ehlers
Quote from: Jockitch on November 08, 2022, 07:40:20 PM
Hintz and Robertson will be a handful in our Dzone , so backchecking deep will be necessary
Sure do miss Ehlers
How much longer until he is back?
Wow Jets are continuing to evolve and kill it. 1st place in the central who woulda thunk that? Not me. Lets keep this thing we have going! GO JETS GO?
Statement game. Wasn't even close.
Keep it going, boys.
Total team effort tonight. Really like the line of 81/55/22. Really played well tonight. 44 has been great all season. 8 just keeps getting better. Now we just need to get NE27 back.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 09, 2022, 03:47:29 AM
Statement game. Wasn't even close.
Keep it going, boys.
+1
Phenomenal performance tonight. That goal against woke them up and they went on a tear after that.
And to think they're doing it without a top winger in Ehlers.
Those three straight goals after Dallas opened the scoring were just fantastic.
Still grinning thinking of last night?s victory ??. consistent hustle and some really nice plays
Quote from: Jockitch on November 09, 2022, 01:03:08 PM
Still grinning thinking of last night?s victory ??. consistent hustle and some really nice plays
One of their most complete games in a long, long time.
First in the Central! ;D
Josh Morrissey looking a little Josh Norris-sey?
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 09, 2022, 01:29:34 PM
Josh Morrissey looking a little Josh Norris-sey?
Stayed on his point/game pace.
I like how the D men were activated early and often to pressure Dallas. That plan came up spades!
Funny how things can change in a week.
The use of Dmen and four lines (i.e. everyone across the roster) is a marked difference going from PauMau to Bones. I like it, which is hard for me to say because I was such a staunch Maurice supporter.
I haven't looked at ice time stats or anything but I would be shocked if there wasn't greater distribution of that across the roster. Not only is it great to get more players involved in the game plan, but it lets the stars rest more and be sharper and more efficient in their shifts (e.g. Scheif getting 2 goals when the whole game isn't placed on his shoulders).
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 09, 2022, 04:31:59 PM
The use of Dmen and four lines (i.e. everyone across the roster) is a marked difference going from PauMau to Bones. I like it, which is hard for me to say because I was such a staunch Maurice supporter.
I haven't looked at ice time stats or anything but I would be shocked if there wasn't greater distribution of that across the roster. Not only is it great to get more players involved in the game plan, but it lets the stars rest more and be sharper and more efficient in their shifts (e.g. Scheif getting 2 goals when the whole game isn't placed on his shoulders).
Fourth line is getting 8-10 minutes a game as opposed to 1-4.
It is very different. Dmen are way more involved - to the extent that JM44 is our leading scorer. Just incredible.
Where does everyone see NE27 fitting in?
Quote from: Pigskin on November 09, 2022, 07:59:52 PM
Where does everyone see NE27 fitting in?
Back on the top line where he was?
Quote from: Jesse on November 09, 2022, 08:05:07 PM
Back on the top line where he was?
So, 81/55/27, 91/80/26, 89/17/22, until 36 comes back. 8/19/71???
Apps has played very well so far this season. Also, another guy I am very impressed with is Maenalanen. He works his butt off on every shift.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 09, 2022, 08:49:50 PM
So, 81/55/27, 91/80/26, 89/17/22, until 36 comes back. 8/19/71???
Apps has played very well so far this season. Also, another guy I am very impressed with is Maenalanen. He works his butt off on every shift.
I love Appleton, but he is a third line player.
The cool thing is, we're are playing 4 line hockey and everyone has more of a role than normal, even the 4th line guys.
Apps is actually such a great third line player. Complements Lowry very well, and Gagner is a great plug-in for the loss of Copp at a bargain price. So yeah, that's all great with me.
Calgary has been on a bad losing streak. But I am expecting a tough, physical game tonight.
Hopefully we can keep a good thing going tonight.
Are we expecting Helle tonight?
AL17 playing a very good and physical game. love it.
Really like 71's speed. This guy works his A-- off.
Our PP let us down tonight.
Overall it was a decent effort by most ??. however, Connor has to put those chances in
Liked Samberg?s game and yes 71 & if I may add 8, certainly come to play, always
Bah!
Glad I missed this one. Looks like the top line had a rough night.
Giving up a shorty as the GWG... Ugh.
Hoping tonight goes better for the road team.
Nice road win for the Jets. Really liked AL17, and BW26, take matters into their hands on that dirty hit.
Wheeler was a force all night and his hunger and hustle got rewarded
Great surprise to tie it and wonderful victory
Soucy is a turd.
But that worked out for the Jets with Wheeler potting his 300th career goal to tie it up. And then that feed from Morrissey to Scheifele to ice the game in OT... Beauitful.
Big night for the Jets and fans on Thursday night. Teemu and Teppo both going into the Jets Hall of Fame. Long overdue for both of them.
Didn't see much of this one, but will take the win.
Quote from: Jesse on November 14, 2022, 04:00:38 PM
Didn't see much of this one, but will take the win.
Jets looked tired but got better as the game went on. The final few minutes and OT were very entertaining.
Soucy fined $2500. Ridiculous.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 14, 2022, 04:16:37 PM
Jets looked tired but got better as the game went on. The final few minutes and OT were very entertaining.
Soucy fined $2500. Ridiculous.
Stupid play by Soucy.
Appleton out for about eight weeks with an upper body injury.
Well, that's not good. Any reports of NE27 practicing today.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 16, 2022, 05:12:52 PM
Well, that's not good. Any reports of NE27 practicing today.
He was supposed to start skating (not practicing). So still have a bit of a wait - even if it goes well.
I can't believe he's only played two games this season.
Real bad luck for Apple and the team ........ Gagner skated with Connor & Scheif today, while I was hoping to see Maenalanen with them
Ehlers can't get back fast enough ....... his addition is crucial
What a great night. Teemu and Teppo, and a win. Nice to see KC81 putting the puck in the net.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 18, 2022, 03:49:17 AM
What a great night. Teemu and Teppo, and a win. Nice to see KC81 putting the puck in the net.
Awesome game to be at last night with Jets 1.0 royalty being honoured.
Jets played pretty loose against a pretty lousy team but they got the win. Hopefully Connor's hatty sparks more goals for him.
Any update on Ehlers? Man, I miss him out there. His energy is infectious and infuses this team. His return is going to be something with the way they are playing now.
Quote from: J5V on November 18, 2022, 05:35:47 PM
Any update on Ehlers? Man, I miss him out there. His energy is infectious and infuses this team. His return is going to be something with the way they are playing now.
Bowness recently mentioned that "surgery is not the only option to consider".
I think he's out for a long time.
Quote from: Jesse on November 18, 2022, 05:44:42 PM
Bowness recently mentioned that "surgery is not the only option to consider".
I think he's out for a long time.
The information is so vague, which is frustrating. Hopefully, that changes soon and we'll get some idea on the timetable for his return.
Such a shame because he's so fun to watch.
Quote from: Jesse on November 18, 2022, 05:44:42 PM
Bowness recently mentioned that "surgery is not the only option to consider".
I think he's out for a long time.
That's a bummer. :(
Agreed, bummer for him too as he was finally getting his chance to play on the top line and the #1 power play unit.
According to Ken Wiebe, he has a sports hernia and will require surgery.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 19, 2022, 04:48:04 PM
According to Ken Wiebe, he has a sports hernia and will require surgery.
Well, that's too bad. I guess 6-7 week before he will start to skate.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 19, 2022, 05:49:17 PM
Well, that's too bad. I guess 6-7 week before he will start to skate.
Yeah, even that might be optimistic, depending on the severity, and if it needs surgery, it's likely severe. The good news is that +90% of these surgeries are considered successful.
Quote from: J5V on November 19, 2022, 07:55:39 PM
Yeah, even that might be optimistic, depending on the severity, and if it needs surgery, it's likely severe. The good news is that +90% of these surgeries are considered successful.
My wife has repaired many sports hernia's. Required recovery is 6 weeks.
Just checked out the highlights of the game. Need to get some consistent scoring. Helli playing the puck always scares me.
Decent effort but can't win without scoring, of which we have very little happening in the grand scheme of things
Guess that is Bowness hockey
Perfetti is hitting an early wall, bottom 6 can only check and with Ehlers out till ?? does Chevy make a move
Quote from: Jockitch on November 20, 2022, 09:30:40 PM
Decent effort but can't win without scoring, of which we have very little happening in the grand scheme of things
Guess that is Bowness hockey
Perfetti is hitting an early wall, bottom 6 can only check and with Ehlers out till ?? does Chevy make a move
Ehlers, Apps, and Barron. The list is getting longer.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 21, 2022, 03:36:57 AM
Ehlers, Apps, and Barron. The list is getting longer.
Need some better forward depth, particularly the top 6. With Ehlers out longish term, the Jets may need to look at a trade.
Well, that finish was as wild as the GC. Jets played a very good game until the last 5 minutes.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 22, 2022, 03:08:44 AM
Well, that finish was as wild as the GC. Jets played a very good game until the last 5 minutes.
Barn burner last night. Morrissey had himself a game.
lol that should have NOT been so "exciting".
Domination until the last few minutes, which was a total meltdown.
Morrissey a hero this season.
Glad it was an eastern opponent (and a good one at that) that we gave a point to. I'd be super upset if we gave away a free point to a Western team and especially a central team.
Agree with other comments regarding last nite's amazing bad swing.
Cannot recollect viewing any game, in my lifetime, featuring the likes of the 3 Cane goals
Outcome definitely had me jumping with joy. Loved the back of our end highlight showing the long pass, Dubois to Morrissey
Ehlers had surgery today and will miss another 6-8 weeks.
The Wild tonight. The Wild are a 500 team right now. Would be nice to start off this road trip on a winning note.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2022, 04:36:31 PM
Ehlers had surgery today and will miss another 6-8 weeks.
Thanks for the update. Sure gonna be great to get him back. Hopefully he can quickly round into form and get in game shape fast.
Ugly.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 24, 2022, 03:28:24 AM
Ugly.
Worst game of the season. And of course against the danged Wild. Ugh.
Wow, that was a rollercoaster ride late in the 3rd. period. But nice road win in the end. 44 on fire.
Josh Morrissey, man.
On both ends of the ice, he's been ridiculous.
Terrific, exciting win which unfortunately gave Dallas an OT point during that chaos prior to extra time
Certainly I don?t agree with the ruling on the tying goal
JM #44 has been so more involved offensively this year and getting results which the Jets need
I have a hard time believing that goal would have stood if the roles had been reversed. The better team won but it should have been in regulation. We'll see how much that stolen point plays out over time.
Nice team win tonight. All 4 lines playing well.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 28, 2022, 03:36:15 AM
Nice team win tonight. All 4 lines playing well.
Fantastic win last night. Morrissey and Connor with three points each.
Maenalanen was a really good find.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 28, 2022, 01:10:23 PM
Fantastic win last night. Morrissey and Connor with three points each.
Maenalanen was a really good find.
I really like this Maenalanen. I really like our 4th line. Lots of speed on this team and we still haven't seen NE27.
Big game for the Jets tomorrow night. AVs have been playing well of late.
Not sure Pigskin, if you meant haven't or having as in are playing
The Avs are 2 points back of Jets and have won 4 of last 5 games with a league low of 19 games played
After he scored in today's game, did the play-by-play guy call him Josh Norrissey ?
https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/nhl-defensemen-stats.html
He's definately in the running !
Great game tonight against the AVs. Wheeler with the hatty. Helle with the shutout. Wow!
Beatdown at Canada Life Centre tonight. What a performance and a huge win over the defending champs!
Finish the Jets showed great finish. They created and the puck went in tonight YAHOO
Amazing night!
Wheezer, Perfetti, JoMo, Helleboi all were tops marks.
91/55/26. 10 points tonight.
Josh Norrissey, as they call him on Overdrive, has been amazing.
Jets were up, I think 3-0, and Craig Button says "The Jets could easily be up 5 or 6 nothing".
What's really exciting is the prospect of getting Ehlers back. How good will they be with him in the line up?
Another thing I noticed was that the Jets didn't looked stressed at all. They were gliding all over the ice and made it look easy and effortless against a very good AVs team.
At one point Wheeler flashed a big smile (he never smiles) and you just knew that, man, they were on top of their game.
Depth players like Maenalanen, Jonsson-Fjallby, and Eyssimont have fit in so well. The depth on the roster is remarkable.
Wheeler's still got it, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2022, 12:33:46 AM
Depth players like Maenalanen, Jonsson-Fjallby, and Eyssimont have fit in so well. The depth on the roster is remarkable.
Wheeler's still got it, IMO.
Wheeler looks at home playing with MS55 again. Little less pressure on BW26 this year might be a good thing.
Will PL29 play against the Jets on Friday night?????
Quote from: Pigskin on December 01, 2022, 03:37:12 AM
Will PL29 play against the Jets on Friday night?????
He's apparently travelling with the team but I can't imagine he'll be cleared to play in less than two days.
The Jets are currently 6th overall with a .690 win percentage after 21 games, putting them on roughly the same pace as their 2017-18 campaign.
Bowness as an early Jack Adams nominee...?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2022, 03:37:06 PM
The Jets are currently 6th overall with a .690 win percentage after 21 games, putting them on roughly the same pace as their 2017-18 campaign.
Bowness as an early Jack Adams nominee...?
And Helle as an early Vezina..
And Norrissey as an early Norris..
And Perfetti as an early Calder...
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2022, 03:37:06 PM
The Jets are currently 6th overall with a .690 win percentage after 21 games, putting them on roughly the same pace as their 2017-18 campaign.
Bowness as an early Jack Adams nominee...?
All this and a bunch of injuries. Very good first quarter of the season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2022, 03:58:48 AM
He's apparently travelling with the team but I can't imagine he'll be cleared to play in less than two days.
I was wrong. Laine has been activated from IR, along with G Merzlekins.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 01, 2022, 06:58:12 PM
I was wrong. Laine has been activated from IR, along with G Merzlekins.
Laine will always be my biggest "what if" for the Jets. Hate to see him elsewhere.
Quote from: Jesse on December 02, 2022, 01:59:56 PM
Laine will always be my biggest "what if" for the Jets. Hate to see him elsewhere.
I'd love to see him in Bowness' system; I think he'd do well.
I expected he'd be a Jet for a long time.
Geez, that was a terrible loss.
No finger pointing necessary but would like to see Stanley &/or Capobianco get in on Sunday
I thought Stanley just started skating. But yes, defense play at time was terrible. But with that said, we had our chance to score and really played well in the 2nd.
Gotta admit about being nervous when the Ducks were outshooting our boys 15-3 in the 1st period
However, really a superb closing 2 periods and a deserved win
Congrats to Samberg on his first NHL goal
*** Yup, my mistake as Stanley just now skating
Quote from: Jockitch on December 04, 2022, 11:20:24 PM
Gotta admit about being nervous when the Ducks were outshooting our boys 15-3 in the 1st period
However, really a superb closing 2 periods and a deserved win
Congrats to Samberg on his first NHL goal
*** Yup, my mistake as Stanley just now skating
Definitely would have been a bad loss to take.
Columbus and Anaheim are supposed to be the free spaces on the bingo card.
Quote from: Jesse on December 05, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Definitely would have been a bad loss to take.
Columbus and Anaheim are supposed to be the free spaces on the bingo card.
Friday should've been an easy two points but the Jets let Laine and co. run the table. The Jets looked bored and slow all game. Yesterday's opening frame looked similar but they fortunately turned it around midway through and didn't look back.
Hopefully, that loss on Friday was just a blip.
Noticed these injury updates:
https://puckpedia.com/team/winnipeg-jets/injuries
Logan Stanley - IR - Foot Fracture - Expected Return Tue Dec 6, 2022
Nikolaj Ehlers - IR - Lower Body - Expected Return Tue Jan 3, 2023
Mason Appleton - IR - Wrist Surgery - Expected Return Thu Jan 26, 2023
Do this expected return dates look accurate ?
Really like what I am seeing out of Eyssimont, Gustafsson, AJ-F, and Menalanen.
Very good game by the Jets tonight. KC81, MS55, just keep putting pucks in the net.
Great game tonight! Boys put on a show to get win #10 on home ice.
Well the Jets certainly had a great start, finishing, passing and skating smartly
Second had us relying on HellB and my gosh how he certainly was up to the challenge.
Great ending and very entertaining
Back in first. Best win % in the division. Two games in hand over DAL.
Morrissey, Dubois, Connor are PPG players. Wheeler and Scheifele close to PPG players. Hellebuyck in Vezina form.
Winning is fun. ;D
I haven't seen the highlights yet, but it looked like MT19 speared Dillon. We are also luck BW26 wasn't hurt on the boarding penalty.
Man I don't like it when liberties are taken with our players. Refs have to get and stay on top of that stuff. I hope Chevy is doing his part and making his displeasure known.
Shocked to see that the Blues are 2nd "least" penalized NHL team at 181 mins vs Jet's low at 211
Just might be a soft, fast game tonight
DeMelo didn't skate with team this morning and is game time decision
Meanwhile Stanley was apparently paired with Schmidt
I guess Stanley slots in if DeMelo can't play tonight...?
Another very solid win for the Jets. Bones has them playing good hockey right now.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 09, 2022, 04:16:30 AM
Another very solid win for the Jets. Bones has them playing good hockey right now.
Dubois with a three-point night and extends his streak to seven games, Scheifele with two apples to hit 600 career points, and Hellebuyck with another dominant performance.
They are playing very good hockey under Bonesy.
Really good to see the results cuz confidence certainly gets watered with wins
Thought Stanley was aggressive on the body, moved well and got involved
Can?t say enough how HellB saved our bacon in so many moments
Top 6 got into the scoring and nice to see Pionk picking up a couple points
*** certainly hope Maenalanen isn?t badly hurt as he really is a steady hustler
Quote from: Pigskin on December 09, 2022, 04:16:30 AM
Another very solid win for the Jets. Bones has them playing good hockey right now.
Understatement of the year!
Quote from: Jockitch on December 09, 2022, 02:57:49 PM
Really good to see the results cuz confidence certainly gets watered with wins
Thought Stanley was aggressive on the body, moved well and got involved
Can?t say enough how HellB saved our bacon in so many moments
Top 6 got into the scoring and nice to see Pionk picking up a couple points
*** certainly hope Maenalanen isn?t badly hurt as he really is a steady hustler
Yes, he was playing very well.
Good back-to-back road win. The LS injury looked nasty.
Good game for Rittich and great result for the team Crossing fingers that both Maenalanen and Stanley are not badly injured
No Maenalanen or Stanley this morning, albeit it is an optional skate so could just be taking it easy.
Yeah, I didn't like the way Maenalanen was holding his arm. Hopefully just a type 1 shoulder separation and nothing more serious.
Quote from: DCM on December 11, 2022, 02:34:06 PM
No Maenalanen or Stanley this morning, albeit it is an optional skate so could just be taking it easy.
Arniel gave no timeline on either, so I'm guessing they'll be out for a bit at least.
Though the Caps are "hot" of late they are still offensively challenged.
Still they miss Backstrom & Wilson from their top 6 and their D-men, other than Carlsson are low tier performers IMHO
First one to 3 goals wins
**** Is Chevy still on Summer holidays or is there a few players he might be targeting. Example a Rt shot W/C ...... Geekie in Seattle
Quote from: Jockitch on December 11, 2022, 07:57:35 PM
Though the Caps are "hot" of late they are still offensively challenged.
Still they miss Backstrom & Wilson from their top 6 and their D-men, other than Carlsson are low tier performers IMHO
First one to 3 goals wins
**** Is Chevy still on Summer holidays or is there a few players he might be targeting. Example a Rt shot W/C ...... Geekie in Seattle
Why would Seattle trade away assets?
Mike McIntyre
@mikemcintyrewpg
#NHLJets coach Rick Bowness says Logan Stanley and Saku Maenalanen are both out ?long term? with injuries. More than a month, he says. #wfp
Quote from: Jesse on December 11, 2022, 09:16:50 PM
Why would Seattle trade away assets?
And why would they target Geekie? LOL
Crummy middle frame buried the Jets last night. Lindgren was phenomenal in net for the Caps.
Threw out Geekie's name as I had years back wanted to see him with Jets.
Presently not in their Top 6., can kill penalties, takes face offs and is a respectful +13 but has missed 6 games due to injuries
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 12, 2022, 01:12:56 PM
And why would they target Geekie? LOL
Crummy middle frame buried the Jets last night. Lindgren was phenomenal in net for the Caps.
Yes, that was sad. The Jets really had a bad period.
Stenlund in, AJ-F out for tonight.
Jets claim F Kuhlman from Kraken: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/winnipeg-jets-claim-karson-kuhlman-waivers-1.1892697
Having claimed Kuhlman, puzzled by this, and with Stenlund in the line-up, the future might just have gotten cloudy for Fjallby
GREAT opportunity for a win over banged up Vegas.
Eichel is out and their star D-men Theodore and Pietrangelo are as well along with another good d-man in Whitecloud
Two bad penalties late in the game. Jets D got caught up the ice one to many times. Just not playing great D right now.
Sloppy shifts led to this loss, IMO. Jets were careless on too many occasions last night and the Knights buried pretty much every chance they got. Schmidt and Pionk were awful.
Hopefully, they get back on track tomorrow and pummel the Predators.
Super disappointing. We got Vegas'd.
After we got the lead to start the third, I didn't expect us to maintain it but I also didn't expect to go without a point. ****
Apparently the flu is running through the Jets dressing room.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 15, 2022, 06:43:13 PM
Apparently the flu is running through the Jets dressing room.
Really poor timing. We have a busy week without much downtime.
Ehlers skated today!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 15, 2022, 09:34:11 PM
Ehlers skated today!
Nice. Need NE27 in the line up.
Less then a month after surgery.
Great news on Ehlers and I'm really hoping we can do something about the D. Hoping to see Stanley blossom into something truly special. He could be a Zdeno Chara type of impact player. Playing D by committee only works if everyone is buying in. Let's do a better job of helping Helly out back there.
Wow more injuries. NS88 took a big hit to the head. Jets played a very good game. Nice win.
Yeah that was a good game.
It was tough getting one through the net, but good that we wound up on the right side in OT.
Saros consistently has monsters games against the Jets.
Win's a win, though. Losing Schmidt sure doesn't help.
Really applaud the effort put into winning last night. Thankfully their goalie became porous in the end YAHOO !!!
Understand that Nate is on protocol now for some degree of a concussion
Heinola called up now that Schmidt is on IR.
Quote from: Jockitch on December 16, 2022, 07:15:31 PM
Really applaud the effort put into winning last night. Thankfully their goalie became porous in the end YAHOO !!!
Understand that Nate is on protocol now for some degree of a concussion
I certainly hope the league does something about this cheap head shot although I'm sceptical. It's BS IMO. Just too many liberties being taken with our players. Bowness and the organization not saying a word in defense of Schmidt although I was glad to see Lowry get into it with Jeannot afterwards.
I wonder if the NHL has ever considered suspending a player who caused an injury as long as the injured player is unable to play ? For example, they could suspend Jeannot until Schmidt is received medical clearance to play.
Tough, tough news for the Jets and players
Nate88 is out 4-6 weeks with UBI, while Blake26 suffered damage and had his groin operated on and out for minimum month --- YIKES
December schedule just got tougher
Man, this is getting a little tough to deal with.
Got a lot of new names getting top minutes.
Very solid game by the Jets so far.
Dropping like flies. But a big road win tonight.
Needed that.
If we're gonna be missing some guys for a while, really have to win the games we're supposed to.
Congrats Jets on such an important (course they all are) win on the road
Stenlund keeps impressing, Kuhlman had some good shifts and hooray for Fjallby and Capobianco
Little tougher test tonight. Back to Back , and Seattle is a better team then Vancouver.
Well, we had our chances. Just not enough finish. Looked like we where running out of gas in the 3rd. period.
Disappointing, but this was always going to be a tough one.
Didn't get any schedule favours this week, that's for sure.
Helli is going to have to be lights out. We are going to have to get some scoring from players other then 55,81,80,44. PP mite have to be the key to wins over the next couple of weeks.
It seemed like every mistake the Jets made last night wound up in their net. Kraken's first win against the Jets, too.
Glad to see players stepping up but the injuries are really helping nothing.
Yes, we're not going to win too many games scoring just 2 goals, unless Helly is playing.
Wheeler placed on IR, Jets recall G Arvid Holm. Hellebuyck out for tonight's game due to illness, so Rittich starts.
Great win tonight. Rittich was stout and the big boys stepped up. Dubois and Connor were awesome.
Total team effort. Nice win for the Jets.
Hellebuyck activated, Holm sent back to the Moose.
Very tough game tonight. Boston is excellent at home, and is the best team in the NHL.
If we make this a tight game, even squeezing out a single point would make me extremely happy. Boston has lost only 4 games cleanly and has 2 loser points.
Such a disappointing loss. That weird bounce ruined everything.
Jets played an excellent game. The weird bounce goal was a terrible break. The refs missed a couple high sticking penalties, and still in the end KC81 has the puck his stick to send this game to OT. Hope CP91 is okay. Took a big hit near the end of the game.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 23, 2022, 01:52:38 AM
Such a disappointing loss. That weird bounce ruined everything.
Probably the game I've enjoyed watching most this year up to that point.
Everything changed after.
I am really interested to see how Lambert plays at the WJ. I am looking for him to have a big tournament.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 23, 2022, 06:24:09 PM
I am really interested to see how Lambert plays at the WJ. I am looking for him to have a big tournament.
Probably my biggest reason for tuning in.
Sounding like CP91 could be out tonight.
and indeed CP91 did not play
What a lame effort for a couple periods. Seemingly very little coherence between our forwards.
Certainly a loss is not great but a much better response in the third.
Hoping that Stenlund starts up with MS55 or PLD when we next play, Tuesday.
It appears that CP91 has a shoulder injury. Hope it's not long term.
Really didn't like the Jets braking up 36/17/12. That line was playing well together.
Jets just have to many injuries right now. Too many 3rd and 4th line players on our top lines.
Can't find anything on CP91 for tonight?
Player expected back:
Maenalanen: Jan 3.
Ehlers: Jan 10
Stanley: Jan 13.
Wheeler: Jan 17
Apps and Sschmidt Jan 26th.
He's out for the next 7-70 days, according to Bowness.
Running with one line and hoping that Helle steals one tonight.
Stacking the deck with Dubois in the middle for Connor and, a surprise to me at RW - #55
Definitely need HellB to be at his best and multiple offensive contributions from Lowry's line is desperately needed
Quote from: Jockitch on December 27, 2022, 08:57:10 PM
Stacking the deck with Dubois in the middle for Connor and, a surprise to me at RW - #55
Definitely need HellB to be at his best and multiple offensive contributions from Lowry's line is desperately needed
I really like the line of 36/17/12.
Helli wasn't very sharp to start the game. Other then that we had our chances. Ref missed a 4 minute high sticking penalty late in the 3rd. which was terrible.
Crummy loss. Injuries are starting to hamper this team.
Horrible miss by refs on the stick to Connor?s face
Stenlund was again driving his line while 55 had some very good chances with PLD and #81.
HellB must be much better vs the Canucks
Quote from: Jockitch on December 28, 2022, 04:23:57 PM
Horrible miss by refs on the stick to Connor?s face
Stenlund was again driving his line while 55 had some very good chances with PLD and #81.
HellB must be much better vs the Canucks
Agree, Stenlund is playing very well.
Sam's 1000 game tonight. Nice achievement for him.
Quote from: Pigskin on December 29, 2022, 04:56:00 PM
Sam's 1000 game tonight. Nice achievement for him.
A really decent career for Gags and he can thank Chevy in part for reaching out and signing him to, I suspect, his last year.
Lafreniere is a healthy Ranger scratch ....... how I would look forward to seeing this, so far underachiever, in a Jet uni.
Quote from: Jockitch on December 29, 2022, 06:45:41 PM
A really decent career for Gags and he can thank Chevy in part for reaching out and signing him to, I suspect, his last year.
Lafreniere is a healthy Ranger scratch ....... how I would look forward to seeing this, so far underachiever, in a Jet uni.
Gagner is only 33. He's got plenty left in the tank even if only as a 4th liner. He's fit in well on this team so far.
As for Lafreniere, I have no idea what's going on there. Must be attitude-related...?
Nice win by the Jets tonight. Didn't look good in the first period. Very solid second and third period.
The big question for the Jets is, how long will JM44 be out for??
Terrific turnaround from the initial first 10 minutes
That penalty shot goal by Dubois was significant for energy to fans present and Jet players
Nice win but another injury to such an important player. I sure hope Morrissey can play tomorrow.
Scheifele and Dubois were excellent last night.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on December 30, 2022, 02:06:55 PM
Nice win but another injury to such an important player. I sure hope Morrissey can play tomorrow.
Scheifele and Dubois were excellent last night.
Anything we can do to just keep our heads above water for the next 2-4 weeks is a good thing.
What an excellent way to end 2022. Shut down 97, ended his streak. Nice win for the Jets.
Absolutely terrific way to say ciao to ?22?
First star was definitely HellB
Sounds like NE27, CP91, BW26, SM8, and NS88 all skated today at Jets practice. Sounds like NS88 taking part in the full practice. NE27, CP91, both in light blue jersey's which apparently meets close to returning. And BW26, and SM8 in no contact jerseys.
Jets also place Jason Harkins on waivers.
Man, do we need all those back.
Tough love for Harkins but perhaps it will be the best for his career if he gets picked up
Very good game by the Jets again tonight. Helli was very solid. PL80 was playing nasty tonight. VH14 had his best game as a Jet. Super solid tonight. Much better in the face-off circle again tonight. Hope Friday we get back a few players.
On a nice little win streak here. Should be a good test on Friday against the Bolts and hopefully we see some regulars return to the lineup.
It will be interesting to see where players fit in when we are healthy.
81/80/27
91/55/26.
36/17/22
8/19/28 or 89.
So the BIG news heard on "OB" Jets at Noon show that Friday may have significant players back in lineup
Scheif was centering Perfetti & Wheeler, while Ehlers was with PLD & Connor
Gustaffsson was the 13th forward while Reichel was sent to the Moose & no sightings of Eyssimont
Meanwhile Schmidt was with Samberg & Heinola & Capobianco were the extra dmen
Slow start for the Jets tonight. But, once some of the returning players got there legs under them, we really played well. Are two top lines really played well. However AL17 and MB36 had an outstanding game. Our PK was also very good again tonight. Give NE27 3 or 4 more games to get into game shape and 81/80/27 will be tough to stop on every shift.
Eyssimont claimed on waivers. To bad really liked his energy.
Slow start but a strong finish. Barron's ENG was sweet. Great win for four in a row!
Not sure what the ref's were looking at when Stamkos and Cemak, where pounding on NE27's head while he was laying on the ice behind the net.
The line of 81/80/27, very dominate today with a 10 point game. PK was very good again. 4th line continues to play well.
Bravo ....... nicely played victory over the Bolts
Struck & finished on chances vs Canucks today.
First five game win streak since the 2018-19 season.
Not a masterpiece yesterday but a solid third period to get the win. Ehlers looks like he's back in top form and Connor is heating up. Kudos to Jonsson-Fjallby on his beauty goal and a sick feed to DeMelo on his SHG.
Bowness has co. has this team playing some solid hockey.
Tuesday night we are in Detroit to visit our old friend AC18. He's not having a great year with only 3G and 18A in 38 games. Not worth the $5,625 cap hit so far this year.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 09, 2023, 05:13:28 PM
Tuesday night we are in Detroit to visit our old friend AC18. He's not having a great year with only 3G and 18A in 38 games. Not worth the $5,625 cap hit so far this year.
His goals are way down but he's on pace for his best season in assists and projected to hit 40 points. He's also playing less than previous season. The Red Wings are a pretty average team, too.
Still a good test for the Jets on the road tomorrow, though.
Just a shame that HellB chose a night in which we score 5, to crash and burn
Yes, it wasn't his best performance that is for sure. The 5 on 3 goal didn't help. Also giving up the 6th goal after making it 5-4 early in the 3rd. was a back breaker.
Rough start killed us.
Tough to come back from 3-0.
What a stinker last night. I guess they didn't want to try for six straight wins.
Rumour mill says there's another bad flu bug going through the locker room, which could explain the last two games being so greasy.
Good road win. Just didn't seem to be clicking tonight. Missed a lot of nice scoring chances. The first PP for us was terrible. But Helli was excellent tonight. AL17 is a steal for the money the Jets are paying him.
HellB was just sooooooo sensational tonight as the Jets were very chaotic
Indeed Lowry was playing with great intent and his linemates, SM8 & #20 Kulmann, were a force.
Hellebuyck was out of his mind last night. Big bounce back after what happened in Detroit.
Rittich with another very solid game. 91/55/26 to much for Pitt to handle tonight. Another good road win.
Just enough consistent effort and of course HellB covering for some flaws NICE victory
1st place in the Western Conferance who would of thought that?
Totally out played Arizona in the first 30 minutes. Gave up to many chances in the second half of the game. Helli had to make some big saves late in the game. Big road trip coming up.
Top spot in the western conference this morning.
Boy, this "rebuild" is working out great! ;D
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on January 16, 2023, 01:17:23 PM
Top spot in the western conference this morning.
Boy, this "rebuild" is working out great! ;D
Yep. The bandwagon is getting fully. Chevy for Mayor. Go Jets Go.
Major UGH !! Hard to watch this puppy Horrible stinker and now 4 more on the road
Hard to watch. Montreal just out played us.
Garbage effort pretty much across the board last night. That was gross.
We will have to play a lot better in Toronto.
Stanley and Apps. skating today.
Coach says he's not happy with our last 5 games??
Jets played pretty solid 1st. period. Terrible first 15 minutes of the second period, and a very good 3rd. Didn't understand taking CP91 out of the top 6. I really like Barron but he's not a top 6 forward. MS55 with a couple of turnovers and Helli let in one soft goal. Leaf's are a good team and play well at home, but tonight there goalie played very well.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 19, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
Stanley and Apps. skating today.
Coach says he's not happy with our last 5 games??
Outside of the Penguins game, there hasn't been a lot of good hockey.
Another grotesque middle frame sinks the Jets.
Bones should bag skate the boys next practice.
BW26 looked okay with 81/80. but the 3rd. line is not the place for CP91. Our top 6 forwards are 81/80/55/27/26/91, Bones get has to figure out where they fit. 55/26. 81/80, now where does 27 and 91 fit in.
Over the games so far it appears to me that CP91, though quite skilled is struggling to compete. Perhaps time in the press box and weight room, as playing with AL17 is very limited, might rejuvenate his energy.
Meanwhile Scheifle needs to improve on his intensity and improve on his pathetic assist total
I agree that CP91 need a little more muscle to compete. But at 5"11 177lbs. I don't think the Jets draft him to be a power forward. The kid is a play maker and at 20A this season, I think he's a top 6 forward on this team.
Yes, MS55 had a bad game against the Leaf's. Lost focus a few times. However I not that worried about his 14A. He has 26 goals and is the trigger man on the line of 26/91. Considering the two of them have only combined for 17G.
Nice bounce back game by the Jets. The line of 27/55/26 very good tonight, each with 3 points. MS55 with two more goals, and 28 on the season. Nice to see CP91 back with 81/80. 1G and a cross bar tonight.
Back to back tonight against the Flyers. I don't expect to see Helli tonight. Wondering about the health of NE27.
BW26: 36, 38 games, 33 points.
Bergeron: 37, 46 games, 36 points.
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Kopitar: 35, 48 games, 37 points.
Krejci: 36, 40 games, 37 points.
Pavelski: 38, 48 games, 45 points.
OV: 37, 45 games, 52 points.
Cosby: 35, 48 games, 45 points.
Back to back victories and with 3 skaters who don?t score often hitting the twine tonight ?- excellent
First 10 minutes we were on fire. PK had a few issues. PP could score when we needed to. Let them hang around to long. Was impressed again with our goaltending.
Special teams weren't good last night. But getting back-to-back wins after two pretty ugly losses in Montreal and Toronto is a good way to rebound.
Now to cap it off with a win in Nashville tomorrow!
Is SG89 injured is he healthy scratch.
On another note, what do the Jets need to get to the next level with teams like Boston, NJ, and Carolina?
Quote from: Pigskin on January 24, 2023, 04:21:54 PM
Is SG89 injured is he healthy scratch.
On another note, what do the Jets need to get to the next level with teams like Boston, NJ, and Carolina?
Murat Ates has a couple of articles on this in the Athletic this week. Comparing strengths and weaknesses to other contenders.
Okay, well the PP is moving the puck well but no finish. Terrible second period. We had lots of chance to score thought out the game. If AL17 had finish. CP91, this kid makes some amazing passes. Good effort for the 5th game in 8 nights, should had a better result.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 25, 2023, 03:24:34 AM
Okay, well the PP is moving the puck well but no finish. Terrible second period. We had lots of chance to score thought out the game. If AL17 had finish. CP91, this kid makes some amazing passes. Good effort for the 5th game in 8 nights, should had a better result.
Yup, disappointed. But they've played a lot of hockey lately.
Haven't spotted anything in NHL Transactions or Injuries so suspect that SG89 has been a healthy scratch
Unfortunately AL17 still has no Finish and his drought for scoring goals is now into the 20's of games
Really was entertaining but alas Saros, and the piping of the net frame, made too many key stops
Quote from: Jockitch on January 25, 2023, 06:20:29 PM
Haven't spotted anything in NHL Transactions or Injuries so suspect that SG89 has been a healthy scratch
Unfortunately KL17 still has no Finish and his drought for scoring goals is now into the 20's of games
Really was entertaining but alas Saros, and the piping of the net frame, made too many key stops
If we had a KL17, he would probably have more finish then AL17.
Can we hang on to PL80? If not, does Montreal have anything we would want or would this have to be a 3 team trade.
1st overall pick (Bedard), lol!
Quote from: drahgon on January 25, 2023, 09:44:27 PM
1st overall pick (Bedard), lol!
If only Montreal had that pick.
Buffalo has been playing well on late. They have some exciting young players. This should be a good game.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 25, 2023, 07:42:37 PM
Can we hang on to PL80? If not, does Montreal have anything we would want or would this have to be a 3 team trade.
In previous talks - they seem to not be willing to move pieces that we would need to trade him. They don't need to give up any assets. They can just wait.
PLD has really screwed us. He won't re-sign and has tanked his value. Seems like we're just going to hold onto him and just go all in for the next two seasons (depending on how we start necxt year).
Quote from: Jesse on January 26, 2023, 02:40:17 PM
In previous talks - they seem to not be willing to move pieces that we would need to trade him. They don't need to give up any assets. They can just wait.
PLD has really screwed us. He won't re-sign and has tanked his value. Seems like we're just going to hold onto him and just go all in for the next two seasons (depending on how we start necxt year).
I think if he does sign a long term deal with the Jet's in the off season, the Jets move him. It mite have to be a 3 team dealer, because your right Montreal doesn't want to give up any of there core.
Your not going to win to many games playing 8 or 9 minutes of good hockey. Our 1st and 2nd. line should have been benched to start the 3rd. period. 3rd. and 4th lines played well most of the game. 1st. PP unit needs a shake up.
This team is brutal in second periods. Not being able to get 10 SOG in a 20-min. frame is worrisome.
I am really enjoy watching 8/28/71. Just the energy these guys play with. I like 20, but i think Apps. take his spot when he gets back.
Quote from: Jesse on January 26, 2023, 02:40:17 PM
In previous talks - they seem to not be willing to move pieces that we would need to trade him. They don't need to give up any assets. They can just wait.
PLD has really screwed us. He won't re-sign and has tanked his value. Seems like we're just going to hold onto him and just go all in for the next two seasons (depending on how we start necxt year).
Suggested last night at the game, PL80 for Bo Horvat. Bo with 31G and 19A with 12 PIM this season. PL80 22G and 30A with 50 PIM.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 27, 2023, 03:27:28 PM
Suggested last night at the game, PL80 for Bo Horvat. Bo with 31G and 19A with 12 PIM this season. PL80 22G and 30A with 50 PIM.
Curious as to the reason fr that, we'd have a better chance of extending PLD than the dumpster fire in VAN. Would PLD be a better trade fodder for VAN than Horvat? Can VAN get more of what they are looking for from MTL for PLD than Horvat?
Doesn't make sense. If we can't give PLD enough t stay, Horvat is even further out of that range. So unless Chevy thinks he can move Horvat easier and for more than PLD, that trade makes no sense...
Quote from: Pigskin on January 27, 2023, 03:27:28 PM
Suggested last night at the game, PL80 for Bo Horvat. Bo with 31G and 19A with 12 PIM this season. PL80 22G and 30A with 50 PIM.
That'd be a terrible deal for us, we still have one more year of PLD. Horvat's a UFA.
Quote from: Jesse on January 27, 2023, 03:57:13 PM
That'd be a terrible deal for us, we still have one more year of PLD. Horvat's a UFA.
This. That would be a terrible trade.
Very poor team game by Jets, and or, seemingly well executed Sabre game plan
PLD not signing would be a crushing blow but the likely reality must have Chevy talking shop
Horvat would be a terrific addition.
Perhaps for overall play and outstanding faceoff #?s Giroux
Quote from: Jesse on January 27, 2023, 03:57:13 PM
That'd be a terrible deal for us, we still have one more year of PLD. Horvat's a UFA.
Yes, it would have to be a trade and sign deal.
Quote from: Jockitch on January 27, 2023, 04:29:12 PM
Very poor team game by Jets, and or, seemingly well executed Sabre game plan
PLD not signing would be a crushing blow but the likely reality must have Chevy talking shop
Horvat would be a terrific addition.
Perhaps for overall play and outstanding faceoff #?s Giroux
Faceoffs. That is something thing this team needs to improve on. We are terrible this year. Missing Paul S.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 27, 2023, 04:39:54 PM
Yes, it would have to be a trade and sign deal.
Which wouldn?t happen. Horvat is going to FA.
Like to see a fast start by the Jets tonight. Win a few more face offs, and get the PP back on track.
2 games left till the all-star break. Then just about 2 weeks off.
Another lack lust performance by the Jets. The top 6 isn't scoring. PP doesn't look good at all. 3rd. and 4th line have played well but no finish. 64 still making to many mistakes. In a bad funk right now.
Quote from: Pigskin on January 29, 2023, 05:57:28 PM
Another lack lust performance by the Jets. The top 6 isn't scoring. PP doesn't look good at all. 3rd. and 4th line have played well but no finish. 64 still making to many mistakes. In a bad funk right now.
been in a bad funk for a decent number of games now. Has Bones message worn thin for good now? Entitled bunch ie Fefe Wheezer Danish. Also to cute and miss the net a load to much.
Jets need a win tonight going into the break.
The Golden Jet, Bobby Hull has passed away at the age of 84. I would think the Jets will honor him at tonight's game.
They will. They tend to ignore his off-ice career.
Wow, that was it for honouring Bobby Hull?? A 30 second bio?? Shame on the Jets. Without him there would be no Jets. The man broke the NHLs back on their then cheapskate salaries. Every player playing today owes the Golden Jet big time. Lest we forget....
Quote from: dd on January 31, 2023, 12:54:57 AM
Wow, that was it for honouring Bobby Hull?? A 30 second bio?? Shame on the Jets. Without him there would be no Jets. The man broke the NHLs back on their then cheapskate salaries. Every player playing today owes the Golden Jet big time. Lest we forget....
"A man died. A hero did not." ? @MarkLazerus
Much better game for the Jets tonight. Was surprised how well 36/80/8 played tonight. This line had tons of chances. JM44 put this team on his back tonight. MS55 just keeps on scoring. 54/77 made some mistakes tonight. It will be nice to get DD2 back after the break. PP needs some work.
Such a fine relief in being able to see a terrific comeback
Line juggling certainly resulted in some decent 5 on 5 pressure and great chances
Norrissey led the charge in what was a huge comeback win going into the longest break of the season.
Quote from: dd on January 31, 2023, 12:54:57 AM
Wow, that was it for honouring Bobby Hull?? A 30 second bio?? Shame on the Jets. Without him there would be no Jets. The man broke the NHLs back on their then cheapskate salaries. Every player playing today owes the Golden Jet big time. Lest we forget....
Imagine being so triggered to use a line reserved for war heroes on a bigoted, racist woman-beating drunk because you think, albeit erroneously, TNSE disrespected him. That's gross.
Don't be gross.
The existence of an acknowledgement of even small sorts was probably the best compromise from TNSE's PR dept.
If you were expecting a televised funeral, you'd be a fool. On the other hand, I'm happy to acknowledge his contributions to Wpg hockey and also don't think it would have been a good look to pretend like it didn't happen.
Another point: he was 84. It's not like he died young in a tragic accident or by a terrible disease.
Nonetheless, RIP.
As well, let's not forget..
If you choose to overeat, you are in danger of heart and stroke issues,
If you choose to smoke, you are in danger of getting lung cancer,
If you choose to drink too much alcohol, you likely will become an alcoholic,
If you choose to abuse another person, you will go to prison.
It's often about choices we make that create the issues and reputation we face even though the results are born from diseases.
Lot's of talk on CJOB today. Some feel we need a middle six forward that can score a few goals but still play within Bones system. Apps is returning on Feb.11th. Can he fill that roll.
Lack of bottom 6 scoring was another issue. 17/8/36/89/71/20/28 all have played well. But they all have had excellent chances but don't score enough to help our top 6. 33 goals out of this group in 52 games.
To many passes.
PP: To predictable.
Lines: 81/55/91. 36/80/27. 8/17/26.
Quote from: ModAdmin on January 31, 2023, 07:06:13 PM
As well, let's not forget..
If you choose to overeat, you are in danger of heart and stroke issues,
If you choose to smoke, you are in danger of getting lung cancer,
If you choose to drink too much alcohol, you likely will become an alcoholic,
If you choose to abuse another person, you will go to prison.
It's often about choices we make that create the issues and reputation we face even though the results are born from diseases.
Whatever mr holier than thou. Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone.
Quote from: dd on January 31, 2023, 10:39:37 PM
Whatever mr holier than thou. Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone.
Just pointing out some of the consequences of bad decisions that can can affect a lot of people and possibly last a lifetime.
Quote from: dd on January 31, 2023, 10:39:37 PM
Whatever mr holier than thou. Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone.
look in the mirror
Quote from: ModAdmin on February 01, 2023, 12:29:16 AM
Just pointing out some of the consequences of bad decisions that can can affect a lot of people and possibly last a lifetime.
It's astonishing how many lack the understanding of how causality works.
Quote from: dd on January 31, 2023, 10:39:37 PM
Whatever mr holier than thou. Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone.
Your lack of self-awareness is comical.
Lucius shut down for the rest of the season. Sounds like he's having shoulder surgery.
Luc certainly had some good numbers for the few games he played after being sent to Jr.
Someone on FB said Chevy was at Tampa vs Sharks game last night
Is he sizing up Meier and perhaps Sturm from the Sharks or maybe Paul, Cirelli or Cernak with Tampa
Do I hear Jaws theme music in my ancient mind
Quote from: Jockitch on February 08, 2023, 03:29:29 PM
Luc certainly had some good numbers for the few games he played after being sent to Jr.
Someone on FB said Chevy was at Tampa vs Sharks game last night
Is he sizing up Meier and perhaps Sturm from the Sharks or maybe Paul, Cirelli or Cernak with Tampa
Do I hear Jaws theme music in my ancient mind
Second year in a row he has been shut down early. He has been injured a lot the last two seasons.
Quote from: Jockitch on February 08, 2023, 03:29:29 PM
Luc certainly had some good numbers for the few games he played after being sent to Jr.
Someone on FB said Chevy was at Tampa vs Sharks game last night
Is he sizing up Meier and perhaps Sturm from the Sharks or maybe Paul, Cirelli or Cernak with Tampa
Do I hear Jaws theme music in my ancient mind
Epic fail if we don't have a strong offer in.
The loss of Luc takes away some prospect capital though.
This extended break (ASG weekend + bye week) kinda rots.
Sounds like the Flyers willing to trade Konecny. Excellent two way player, with some grit to him. Also a right hand shot that can score. I wonder what the asking price is.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 08, 2023, 08:21:57 PM
This extended break (ASG weekend + bye week) kinda rots.
Why the **** don't we play until Saturday??
Quote from: Jesse on February 08, 2023, 09:58:03 PM
Why the **** don't we play until Saturday??
Bye week as per the new CBA. It just coincided with the ASG, which I'm pretty sure was the case for every team. Some just started earlier than others.
Per the NHL website: https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-bye-weeks-2022-23-season-begin-january-28-fantasy-schedule/c-340490210
Konecny was impressive playing the Jets. Feisty, 65 PIM, with plenty of speed and has 3 SHG's & 3 SHAssists
Looked at him weeks ago and I am still cheering Chevy on. Makes $5.5M next 2 seasons and is just 25
Maybe Chevy could get 28 yr old Ristolainen from them as well. Solid Rh Dman, at $5.1M to end of 26-27 season
Apps. back in the lineup for Saturday.
9 pm start tomorrow night. Crazy.
Solid Jets win after a long break.
Decent win . Very happy that HellB showed no rust.
Geez how I wanted Stenlund to score on that breakaway and poor Lowry missing the chance on the open net just before Wheels scores.
Though I do know that players are on the ice in different combos due to game flow, coaches decisions, however ........
was it possible that Perfetti was benched or injured in last half of 3rd period ?? Anyone want to check their PVR of game
I have noticed lately, that Bones doesn't play CP91 late in close games.
Looked like the break was good for BW26. He had some jump last night.
Also of note ?- see that Ehlers only had 13:11 of TOI ?.. what?s with that
Demalo should be back for Tuesday's game.
Fjallby put on waivers Monday ........ certainly hope he clears and stays in the organization, Moose.
Quote from: Jockitch on February 14, 2023, 06:37:58 PM
Fjallby put on waivers Monday ........ certainly hope he clears and stays in the organization, Moose.
He cleared earlier today: https://illegalcurve.com/winnipeg-jets-forward-axel-jonsson-fjallby-clears-waivers-can-be-assigned-to-moose/
The Jets played a very good game. Good team effort. Final got to see 36/17/22, and they played very well together.
Good game!
Hopefully we can continue our streak on the road.
Quote from: Jesse on February 15, 2023, 11:41:18 AM
Good game!
Hopefully we can continue our streak on the road.
Grubauer was lights out for the Kraken last night. And I can't say enough about Lowry. He's such a warrior.
The Jets are now unbeaten in shootouts this season! ;D
Yes, Lowry is an excellent shut down forward. Love the way Lowry plays, and a lot of his style of play is rubbing off on other players like 36/22/28/8. Really like our 3rd and 4th. lines right now.
Entertaining, with terrific speed and team play by both
Goalies certainly made the game a nail biter to the end
Looks like Rittich is starting in net tonight in Columbus. Hellebuyck did skate with the team this morning, though.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 16, 2023, 05:05:01 PM
Looks like Rittich is starting in net tonight in Columbus. Hellebuyck did skate with the team this morning, though.
...wut?
Quote from: Jesse on February 16, 2023, 05:12:41 PM
...wut?
Just going off what Wiebe posted on Twitter. My guess is Bowness is rewarding Rittich for his performance the other night and gets the start against the Jackets.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 16, 2023, 05:15:37 PM
Just going off what Wiebe posted on Twitter. My guess is Bowness is rewarding Rittich for his performance the other night and gets the start against the Jackets.
I guess if there's a team you want to start your back up against, it's Columbus.
But darn, we better win.
Quote from: Jesse on February 16, 2023, 05:22:31 PM
I guess if there's a team you want to start your back up against, it's Columbus.
But darn, we better win.
This has trap game written all over it but I think the road team will be ready.
Pretty important road trip, with a back-to-back against two strong eastern teams in the Devils and the Rangers.
A win tonight gets us back into a tie for first place. Go Jets.
I would like to see our PP get going tonight.
Well, we played good enough to win. PP, has to be better.
Well, that was embarrassing.
Craptacular. The Jets just stink vs. the Eastern Conference's lowly teams.
Our PP is far to predictable lacks any adjustments at any time. It is a frustrating group especially with all that talent 5 on 4 and even 5 on 3.
The Jets are 10-12 vs. the Eastern Conference this season. They're 24-8-1 vs. the Western Conference. That is crazy.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 17, 2023, 02:23:42 PM
Our PP is far to predictable lacks any adjustments at any time. It is a frustrating group especially with all that talent 5 on 4 and even 5 on 3.
Bones said as much in his post-game last night. They gotta figure it out - and fast.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 17, 2023, 03:00:27 PM
The Jets are 10-12 vs. the Eastern Conference this season. They're 24-8-1 vs. the Western Conference. That is crazy.
Bones said as much in his post-game last night. They gotta figure it out - and fast.
Apparently Ehlers is going to get more PP time.
Fabulous chances but alas another goalie beats us with a remarkable performance
Rittich was solid.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 17, 2023, 02:23:42 PM
Our PP is far to predictable lacks any adjustments at any time. It is a frustrating group especially with all that talent 5 on 4 and even 5 on 3.
Totally agree. How many does a team get three 5 on 3's in a game.
Unfortunate that the Leafs got O'Reilly and Acciari as both would have helped in the face off dot.
likely to see some Bowness line blender "magic" today, according to a couple of observations, as Clinton and CJOB
Interesting to see that Lowry had Ehlers and Wheels yesterday in practice and Maenalanen up with KFC and Dubois
Also I believe it was MS55 with Apple and Perfetti while lastly Stenlund centers Barron and Kuhlman
If the next 3 battles have poor results is Chevy going to make a big leap or just a bottom 6 fwd trade and depth dman
Saw speed and grit again of Konecny, with Flyers last night. Rh shot, hustler and decent top 6 numbers.
Will Chevy make a leap for Meiers from the Sharks
Bottom 6 maybe lifted by addition of a Robinson from Columbus or Lafferty or Dickinson from Chicago
My guess is that Ehlers, who is a truly unique player, may be subject to a move.
Not Trolling but rather enjoy looking for players to help us win a cup
Quote from: Jockitch on February 19, 2023, 05:34:09 PM
If the next 3 battles have poor results is Chevy going to make a big leap or just a bottom 6 fwd trade and depth dman
Saw speed and grit again of Konecny, with Flyers last night. Rh shot, hustler and decent top 6 numbers.
Will Chevy make a leap for Meiers from the Sharks
Bottom 6 maybe lifted by addition of a Robinson from Columbus or Lafferty or Dickinson from Chicago
My guess is that Ehlers, who is a truly unique player, may be subject to a move.
Not Trolling but rather enjoy looking for players to help us win a cup
Would like to see Konecny in Winnipeg. But, I can't see the Flyers trading him.
Going to be a tough game tonight. Devils are a good team.
Jets take a 2-1 lead into the final frame but can't hang on after some ugly giveaways.
Faceoff issues continue, too.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 20, 2023, 01:21:58 AM
Jets take a 2-1 lead into the final frame but can't hang on after some ugly giveaways.
Faceoff issues continue, too.
Giveaways killed us. PP still struggling.
Face offs are a major problem, at crucial times, and we certainly were terrible last night.
So Ehlers was checked for a concussion and cleared for the game while Perfetti is out with some type of injury.
Stanley apparently plays but I never caught who is out
Like to see our bottom 6 get a couple of goals tonight.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 20, 2023, 10:51:11 PM
Like to see our bottom 6 get a couple of goals tonight.
So far it's the big dogs putting up points. Solid opening frame but they gotta keep up the pace and not let up.
Helle came up big tonight. Nice to see him dominate.
Good road win, but this doesn't happen without Helli. To many penalties tonight.
Hellebuyck stole the show at MSG.
It was giggling in awe time.
Giggling at how many opportunities Rangers had but HellB was huge
Giggling at how many rebounds were cleared, after scrambles, safely
Part way thru a giggle occurred realizing that we are scoring, leading with such few shots
The end victory elicits a giggle at how we recently have been victims of awesome goaltending
Stanley played okay but feel for Samberg being the rotation man
Alas, where was the scoring from bottom six. At least Apple got two assists playing up with 55&81
So Perfetti has gone to the IR and Fjallby gets called up on an Emergency Loan basis
Wonder if Gagner will be out and Fjallby dresses. Stanll out and Samberg back in ??
Need a win tonight.
Yes
Not going to win to many games scoring one goal.
One crummy bounce and that's the game.
Jets gotta get their offense back on track.
Yikes ?- not good
Le sigh.
I don't like the line blender every game. We need a top 6 forward. PP was a little better, PK is outstanding.
Quote from: Jesse on February 23, 2023, 11:39:20 AM
Le sigh.
So crummy. I felt so good about the Jets getting at least a point last night but that was quickly dashed with the goal that gave the Islanders the lead.
I hope they make a trade soon. I feel like a shake-up could help.
Ava's are closing in on us, need a big win tonight.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 24, 2023, 04:33:22 PM
Ava's are closing in on us, need a big win tonight.
Hard to feel positive about this one.
Perfetti ruled out for the rest of the regular season...
If Chevy is going to do something, it better be quick.
Last season CP91 year was ended early also. Kid can't take the physical play????
Urgency for a top 6 rental just shot through the roof. This isn't just playoffs, now it's about trying to get back to our winning ways to POSITION ourselves in the playoffs
Facing some adversity these days. Better to get that over with now than April.
Winning tonight would go a looooong way, especially if it's a shellacking. It's been a while.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 24, 2023, 06:10:59 PM
Last season CP91 year was ended early also. Kid can't take the physical play????
Tend to also suspect his thin body might be suffering from the lack of it's maturity
From my view, the bottom 6 has just been extremely inept at not only finishing but creating offensive push as well
Should Lowry"s miserable scoring dry spell continue , think it's bout O for the past 32 games, then maybe a power winger he should become.
Either Chevy plucks a center in a trade or perhaps Stenlund should center the likes of Lowry, Barron, Appleton or Kuhlman
Course all of the above are terrible at finishing or even creating dangerous chances beyond once a game
Quote from: Jockitch on February 24, 2023, 11:09:50 PM
Tend to also suspect his thin body might be suffering from the lack of it's maturity
Could be, but spending his summer with Gary Roberts, wouldn't hurt.
Oh my what a terrible, terrible first period. Down 4-1 and certainly didn?t push the Avs defence
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 24, 2023, 08:18:42 PM
Urgency for a top 6 rental just shot through the roof. This isn't just playoffs, now it's about trying to get back to our winning ways to POSITION ourselves in the playoffs
Facing some adversity these days. Better to get that over with now than April.
Winning tonight would go a looooong way, especially if it's a shellacking. It's been a while.
Chevy's not going to feeling as inclined to spend assets if they can't get it together on their own.
Beating the Avs would have been a great sign....
Was a very sloppy D game last night. This team needs a spark. We need a top six forward that can score.
So Chevy spends a Draft choice on a very experienced, with Carolina in playoffs.
Niederreiter, a Lshot forward, rarely takes penalties, this year, yet has 115 hits to his credit as well as scoring 18 times
a decent addition Chevy
Quote from: Jockitch on February 25, 2023, 10:46:14 PM
So Chevy spends a Draft choice on a very experienced, with Carolina in playoffs.
Niederreiter, a Lshot forward, rarely takes penalties, this year, yet has 115 hits to his credit as well as scoring 18 times
a decent addition Chevy
Good start. Still need a top 6 forward. Sound like we still have about $4.7M left.
This team is in trouble. That loss yesterday was sickening.
Even if Niederreiter is a nice pick-up, something isn't right in Jetsland right now.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 27, 2023, 02:56:58 PM
This team is in trouble. That loss yesterday was sickening.
Even if Niederreiter is a nice pick-up, something isn't right in Jetsland right now.
Agree, looks like a few players have quit.
Live eye ball test was a an epic failure.
Ghastly first period and moments later of decent team play but Yikes overall
Quite agree that something smells.
John Lu tweeted earlier that Dubois as a lingering LBI and will be a game-time decision for tomorrow's tilt vs. LA.
Appleton got hurt yesterday (UBI) and is doubtful for tomorrow's game.
Can't catch a break lately it seems.
Niederreiter on PP1 in place of Duois who remains a game-time decision. He didn't participate in the morning skate, so take that FWIW.
Hellebuyck gets the start in net.
Absolutely need to win tonight at home and break the slump.
Play inspired and punch them in the mouth
Crossing fingers that Chevy can announce a few moves in bout the next 36 hours after tonights game.
My reasoning --- want to have new blood in lineup before we play Oilers back to back
Sadly no Apple in lineup due to injury and Dubois a GTD , so Jets might need to go with 11 forwards and 7 Dmen
Awful result. Needed that extra point. Geez that was disappointing defensively
Something just stinks with the team again. Loser points aren't going to cut it.
Former Jet Eyssimont gets moved to the Bolts for Namestnikov
Playoff $$ and perhaps, though I doubt, winning and hugging the cup
Still some great potential moves and in that I throw out a few to ponder.
This at present doesn?t point out injury status or Cap fit.
Might Dubois with Dillon, move now to the Habs for Suzuki, Anderson and a draft pick or two
Might Ehlers and Stanley be used to get, from the Flyers, Konecny and Dman Ristolainen
Neither of those suggested trades makes sense.
Disappointed in Chevy so far. Even team out of the playoffs making moves for next season. Jets, Crickets.
Honestly. If not now, when?
Swings and misses so far from the sounds of it. The Jets were reportedly trying to get Chychrun but the two sides couldn't agree to terms.
Logan Stanley has reportedly asked to be traded. That development could be worth watching.
The joys of being a fan of a small market NHL franchise. :-\
Yes also just heard on the Stanley rumour
Also it is not likely that Dubois plays Friday while Apple might be back on Monday
I would do Ehlers for Konecny all day long. Konecny 27G and 27A, 54 points.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 02, 2023, 07:15:19 PM
I would do Ehlers for Konecny all day long. Konecny 27G and 27A, 54 points.
Absolutely agree
Sounds like the Jets are in on James van Riemsdyk, so that could be something to watch. The Flyers are sellers and have quite a few pieces available.
Crickets chirping is basically the studio sounds on SN & TSN Trade shows
Supposedly Namestnikov is coming to the Jets
We gave up a 4th rd pick in 2025 minor depth move bringing from Tampa experience
Quote from: Jockitch on March 03, 2023, 04:24:42 PM
Supposedly Namestnikov is coming to the Jets
We gave up a 4th rd pick in 2025 minor depth move bringing from Tampa experience
A decent trade. Centre depth can't be understated, especially come playoffs.
I hope Cheveldayoff's got another iron in the fire - at the very least.
Namestnikov is not used much for faceoffs, with only 39% success
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 03, 2023, 04:46:18 PM
A decent trade. Centre depth can't be understated, especially come playoffs.
I hope Cheveldayoff's got another iron in the fire - at the very least.
We got a middle 6 player and a bottom 6 player, still needed a top 6 player to make this feel like a success.
And that was before injuries to Perfetti and PLD and Appleton.
Not happy with what Chevy has done.
Kinda meh regarding Chevy?s overall decisions
Quote from: Jesse on March 03, 2023, 06:30:20 PM
We got a middle 6 player and a bottom 6 player, still needed a top 6 player to make this feel like a success.
And that was before injuries to Perfetti and PLD and Appleton.
Don't know what top 6 player was available today, much less one who would've been willing to come here.
Another typical trade deadline day for the Jets. Meh.
And another ugly loss.
What a mess.
This crew is toast!
We won?t be making the playoffs
Quote from: bluengold204 on March 04, 2023, 03:31:09 PM
We won?t be making the playoffs
It's gone from like a 90% certainty to a 50/50 shot.
We certainly don't look like a team who could win a round.
Quote from: bluengold204 on March 04, 2023, 03:31:09 PM
We won?t be making the playoffs
Chevy, should be gone if this happens.
Pleased to see Fjallby & Maenalainen come away with 2 points each, otherwise it was a meager effort
Turn around time tonight. Needing the victory is an understatement
Quote from: bluengold204 on March 04, 2023, 03:31:09 PM
We won?t be making the playoffs
The Jets would basically have to lose out in order to do that. They still have a 5 point cushion on the next team out of a WC spot (CGY).
The bigger concern, IMO, is what will they do in the first round? I'm not feeling good about it at this point.
Great bounce back game. Everyone battled hard. Lowry finally gets the monkey off his back. D chips in with 4 goals.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 04, 2023, 07:01:02 PM
Chevy, should be gone if this happens.
Chevy always has the built in excuse that players have Winnipeg on their no-trade list.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 05, 2023, 03:14:54 AM
Great bounce back game. Everyone battled hard. Lowry finally gets the monkey off his back. D chips in with 4 goals.
Not a masterpiece but a much, much needed two points last night.
Hopefully, they can build off that win because March is going to get any easier. Need to get healthy, too.
Quote from: Jesse on March 05, 2023, 01:05:28 PM
Chevy always has the built in excuse that players have Winnipeg on their no-trade list.
90%+ of players who have NMC/NTCs built into their contracts include Winnipeg, so it makes facilitating trades for those players difficult to do. That'll be a challenge for any GM in a small market, especially north of the 49th.
It is disappointing that they couldn't find a way to get Chychrun here. He would've really bolstered the blue line, IMO.
Fantastic team victory with Lowry and Barron finding the back of the net truly of vital importance going forward.
Defensively it is really a mystery where our team concept has gone
NMC/MTC's will always be waived by a player with an opportunity to join a contender, so as long as you build a contender, that shouldn't be an issue.
New guys are having an impact, we will see if Bowness gets teh desired result from benching Schmidt and Stanley...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 05, 2023, 08:58:27 PM
NMC/MTC's will always be waived by a player with an opportunity to join a contender, so as long as you build a contender, that shouldn't be an issue.
New guys are having an impact, we will see if Bowness gets teh desired result from benching Schmidt and Stanley...
If they're going to be a UFA, maybe.
Not what Chevy is reportedly looking for though. He wanted guys with term or would sign an extension (in order to move assets).
Quote from: theaardvark on March 05, 2023, 08:58:27 PM
NMC/MTC's will always be waived by a player with an opportunity to join a contender, so as long as you build a contender, that shouldn't be an issue.
You shouldn't speak in absolutes about a pretty complex issue related to player contracts.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 06, 2023, 02:52:32 PM
You shouldn't speak in absolutes about a pretty complex issue related to player contracts.
OK, maybe not an absolute... maybe an occasional player doesn't care about post season play and has roots in his community and isn't interested in moving their family for a three month run at the cup. After all, there's no post season compensation unlike the CFL where it is a considerable winfall to win the cup.
But, any player with a fire to win (would you want anything else) would wave a NMC/NTC to get to a team that has a 100% better chance to win the cup...
Even if that team is in Winnipeg. Or Ottawa.
Quote from: Jesse on March 05, 2023, 01:05:28 PM
Chevy always has the built in excuse that players have Winnipeg on their no-trade list.
Roster and system should be good enough without FAs/trade deadline deals to make the playoffs as of now. I don't think that excuse applies anymore. When we inevitably go through a rebuild cycling, we will have to be extra patient while we draft and develop, but we're at the peak of that cycle right now so it's as good as it's going to get.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 06, 2023, 03:13:56 PM
OK, maybe not an absolute... maybe an occasional player doesn't care about post season play and has roots in his community and isn't interested in moving their family for a three month run at the cup. After all, there's no post season compensation unlike the CFL where it is a considerable winfall to win the cup.
But, any player with a fire to win (would you want anything else) would wave a NMC/NTC to get to a team that has a 100% better chance to win the cup...
Even if that team is in Winnipeg. Or Ottawa.
You'd have a point if there weren't multiple contenders during a given season going into the trade deadline. This season is no exception.
Quote from: blue_or_die on March 06, 2023, 07:03:48 PM
Roster and system should be good enough without FAs/trade deadline deals to make the playoffs as of now. I don't think that excuse applies anymore. When we inevitably go through a rebuild cycling, we will have to be extra patient while we draft and develop, but we're at the peak of that cycle right now so it's as good as it's going to get.
That's why the draft and develop model is so important for a franchise like the Jets. A steady pipeline of prospect talent is crucial to maintaining consistent success on the ice.
FWIW, I think the Jets can get away with a retool going into the next cycle, which I think could explain why Cheveldayoff wasn't seemingly willing to trade away a bunch of picks for rental players. However, it's going to hinge on whether or not he can re-sign key pieces like Scheifele and Dubois.
There are so many factors at play.
Dubois, terrific news, and Appleton back in as well as Schmidt on D.. Really a high flying effort needed vs the Sharks
Awesome news re: Dubois and Appleton. Sounds like Rittich gets the start in net.
Sad. PP terrible. Faceoffs, terrible. Overtime, sloppy.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 07, 2023, 03:02:24 AM
Sad. PP terrible. Faceoffs, terrible. Overtime, sloppy.
include , heck, I've got nothing more than OUCH that loss was crushing
Embarrassing loss. Just embarrassing.
How much of this team is "om the limp", but still being let to play?
I'm sorry. This team has enough depth to allow a guy like Dubois, Appleton or even Wheeler some time to properly heal up. They are useless at 75%. I'd rather HAVE Axel Jonsson-Fj?llby playing his heart out to stick with the team rather than a veteran coasting so as to not hurt himself again/more.
Schmidtty seemed revitalized after his night in the pressbox. Maybe its time for more of the like. He got inspired, but it doesn't seem like anyone else did.
You don't sit the equivalent of an entire forward line and replace it with depth pieces with the expectation to continue competing for a playoff spot. It's March - players across the league are banged up and not at 100% after roughly 3/4 of the season. Teams still in the hunt ice their best roster based on talent first and foremost. You rest players when you've locked up a post-season berth and the Jets are nowhere near that happening any time soon.
The depth on this team drops off pretty noticeably after the top 6, especially where offensive prowess in concerned. The bottom six went roughly five weeks without registering a goal IIRC.
The Jets let one get away last night. They dominated the offensive zone ice-time but when they had to play defensive hockey, they struggled. That's got to change if they have any hope of keeping pace in the division - in a hurry.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 07, 2023, 04:19:26 PM
You don't sit the equivalent of an entire forward line and replace it with depth pieces with the expectation to continue competing for a playoff spot. It's March - players across the league are banged up and not at 100% after roughly 3/4 of the season. Teams still in the hunt ice their best roster based on talent first and foremost. You rest players when you've locked up a post-season berth and the Jets are nowhere near that happening any time soon.
The depth on this team drops off pretty noticeably after the top 6, especially where offensive prowess in concerned. The bottom six went roughly five weeks without registering a goal IIRC.
The Jets let one get away last night. They dominated the offensive zone ice-time but when they had to play defensive hockey, they struggled. That's got to change if they have any hope of keeping pace in the division - in a hurry.
Not sure if you remember the early part of this season, where we were plagued by injuries, and depth players stepped up.
As I said, playing at 75% isn't helping anything. And playing hurt means not getting better, and taking the chance of making things even worse.
I don't propose sitting down the entire top 6 at the same time, that's insane. Or even the Top 3. But guys that are struggling can usually benefit from a night in the press box. And guys that are hurt need to recover fully, not "just enough to play".
Playing hurt is not just bad for the player, but for his linemates. Timing is off, they overcompensate to cover, too many things change and none for the better.
I'd rather lose a game with every player running at 100% than lose it because certain players couldn't keep up.
18 games left, it's time to lock down some lines. KC81 doesn't look comfortable playing on the RW.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 07, 2023, 04:47:14 PM
Not sure if you remember the early part of this season, where we were plagued by injuries, and depth players stepped up.
As I said, playing at 75% isn't helping anything. And playing hurt means not getting better, and taking the chance of making things even worse.
I don't propose sitting down the entire top 6 at the same time, that's insane. Or even the Top 3. But guys that are struggling can usually benefit from a night in the press box. And guys that are hurt need to recover fully, not "just enough to play".
Playing hurt is not just bad for the player, but for his linemates. Timing is off, they overcompensate to cover, too many things change and none for the better.
I'd rather lose a game with every player running at 100% than lose it because certain players couldn't keep up.
I
do remember you saying you were done discussing the Jets but here we are, forced to endure more of your absurd takes on what's "best" for the team.
The team's been struggling for the better part of six weeks now regardless of how close any of the players are to 100% healthy, so you've failed to make a salient point.
If players are cleared by medical staff to play, you play them. Especially your best players.
Dubois will be a game-time decision again for tonight's tilt vs. the Wild.
Hellebuyck starts in net.
Hard to get excited about games right now.
Quote from: Jesse on March 08, 2023, 04:54:35 PM
Hard to get excited about games right now.
I'm glad this is my second last game of the season, to be honest. I'd like to say I'm holding out hope but I have a feeling I'll be leaving midway through this one if the last two games vs. MIN are any indication. The Jets were playing better back then, too.
It's like watching a wounded animal limp around.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 08, 2023, 05:00:05 PM
I'm glad this is my second last game of the season, to be honest. I'd like to say I'm holding out hope but I have a feeling I'll be leaving midway through this one if the last two games vs. MIN are any indication. The Jets were playing better back then, too.
It's like watching a wounded animal limp around.
After a good start, it's starting to feel a lot like last year.
My buddies and I sometimes comments that it feels like the Jets are playing a different sport sometimes, when you see see them play a top opponent.
Quote from: Jesse on March 08, 2023, 05:03:47 PM
After a good start, it's starting to feel a lot like last year.
It seems like a lot of the same bad habits from seasons past have crept back into this team's play in the last 15 or so games.
What's strange is how, at least on the surface, the issues aren't getting addressed or resolved.
I can't stand how they play to their opponents, better or worse.
My innocent comment, that we got beat by Reimer the other night. A couple inches here and there and less negatives would be out there
Definitely understand the tremendous frustration as a fan.
Ehlers has to get scoring and I really don't understand why Samberg is replaced tonight by Stanley.
If it's because more roughness is expected then bench Morrissey or lightweight Schmidt. Just saying in frustration
Dubois as a GTD is troubling going forward
Winning more then 50% of the faceoffs overall and at least 80% in our end is an absolute must
Beat by Fleury. While the PP has also let us down far too often since 2023 started
Quote from: Jockitch on March 09, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
Beat by Fleury. While the PP has also let us down far too often since 2023 started
It's not like the Jets made it hard for him last night. So many low to mid-danger shots and the Wild were collapsing well when forced to defend.
Dubois to miss at the least the first two games of this upcoming road trip against the Panthers and then the Lightning.
Not getting any easier for this beleaguered team. Ugh.
Big win for the Jets tonight. PK a little off tonight. The PP 2/4. VN7, NE27 and KC81, all with 3 points. MS55 2 more goals. Injuries. 44, and 17.
Huge victory. Well done HellB and company
Looks like JM44 and AL17 out for tonight???
Back to back wins in Florida and sitting in 3rd place in the Central. I'll take it!
Tremendous effort.
Very solid road win. PK was much better tonight.
Hellebuyck is the lynchpin of this team. Despite some pretty ugly lapses and breakdowns on defense, he played very well in Florida on back-to-back nights.
First season sweep of the Lightning in franchise history.
JM44 listed as day to day.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 14, 2023, 06:01:44 PM
JM44 listed as day to day.
He was on the ice this morning and Bowness said he's a game-time decision.
Dubois still out but should be good to go for Thursday's game vs. BOS.
Sounds like Rittich starts in net tonight.
Jets played a pretty good game against a very good team. Bad penalty call late in the game. A couple of bad breaks. Ice looked terrible.
A lot of bad defensive zone mistakes and missed assignments. They need to get back to playing clean two-way hockey, especially the top lines.
Boston coming in on a 2 games losing streak, lets make it 3. Would be nice to have PL80, and JM44 back.
Dubois and Morrissey both participating in the morning skate today.
Sounds like Morrissey will be good to go but Dubois could be a game-time decision again.
Makes me wonder what and how bad his injury is.
A win tonight would be huge but needed.
Dubois out for tonight's game, Namestnikov will centre the second line.
Gagner is also done for the season after electing to get hip surgery.
Hearing PL80 wanted to play tonight, but training staff decided to give him a couple more days off.
JM44, will not be 100% if he plays tonight but very close.
Need a big win tonight. Go Jets.
Would like to see 81 back on the left side tonight. 81 looks lost and out place playing on the right side.
Really unfortunate for PLD and team that he's a no go, or maybe just a very wise move for his safety
Not sure if it's a lost in space thing for KC81 as his positional play overall lacks flexibility
If you can't score, you can't win.
Bruins made the best of a couple Jet errors and voila, just sighs for playing decent without positive scoreboard results
Just hurt my ankles...
IYKYK
Big game against the Predators. Need this 2 points. Predators and Flames closing in on us.
Jets need to get on a winning run and no opponent better to start with in the Preds.
They play really tight defensive hockey so me thinks a nice 4-2 Jet win would feel great
Good win for the Jets. Really liked our lines in the 3rd. period. PP still not looking very good. It needs to improve before the playoffs.
Deserved win.
Terrific effort and thankfully Pionk hustled up the ice to finish the OT
Soooooo very irritated after the first period with Jets down 1 - 0
Geez how the PP needs to get going or their liable to sink this team
Sad. PP is terrible. But hey, Joel Hofer the Winnipeg kid had a good game.
Hofer had a wonderful memory unfold and he was really fluent in protecting his territory
How they can come from behind and a beat a team still fighting and then completely blow it against a team that's already in next season mode is pretty much a microcosm of the Jets lately.
What a gross effort yesterday.
If the Jets are going to play like this in the playoffs, it's a waste of time.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 20, 2023, 04:43:45 PM
If the Jets are going to play like this in the playoffs, it's a waste of time.
They'll be handily bounced in four.
I still can't understand what's happened to this team since the all-star break. They're 7-10-2 since that time, which I'm pretty sure is one of the worst records in the conference.
Has Bowness lost the room?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 20, 2023, 04:55:55 PM
They'll be handily bounced in four.
I still can't understand what's happened to this team since the all-star break. They're 7-10-2 since that time, which I'm pretty sure is one of the worst records in the conference.
Has Bowness lost the room?
I am not sure?? But, man we just can't score. And our PP, has been terrible. Got to make these teams pay, when they take penalties.
I don't think I've ever seen a team whiff more on passes. Perfect setups and whoosh, puck goes right past. Not sure if they are getting too cute, trying to tap it "just right" or if its just a huge run of bad puck luck, but it seems to happen to every player. From the muckers right up to the elites. You expect 8 or 28 to miss those, but not 55, 81, 27 or 26...
I'm waiting until the game finishes, avoiding social media/news, and watching a game in 10-15 minutes on the PVR now. Its just no fun right now.
Not pretty, but it's 2 points. Good 1st. period. PP, still terrible. Helli excellent.
20 mins. of good hockey won't cut it going forward. Jets were fortunate to hang on for the win last night, IMO.
Hellebuyck has been the MVP of this team for a while now. And it's not even close.
Seemed like such a quiet, lackluster win.
Still such a mystery where their touch for scoring is by the Top6 overall, and of course the PP
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/thats-what-were-dealing-with-jets-bowness-pulls-back-curtain-on-issue-of-motivation-commitment
Pretty telling read. Seems like the same issues that plagued this team the last few years are still present now.
Maybe Bowness airing this out will be the wake-up call the team needs. I won't hold my breath, though.
10 games to see if this team actually has what they showed early, or if the "dead cat bounce" of a new coach was just that.
Early in the season, there were many (including me) that were disappointed that Bowness did not get more one in the "Coach of the Year" debate. I wonder now, if they miss the playoffs, does he head the list of "Who gets fired first this offseason" discussion.
Its looking like the team has a severe dysfunction at the core. Chevy seems too invested in that core, though, to do anything, unless his hand is forced, either through a trade demand, an $SMS issue, an injury or losing players on expiring contracts. It seems though, that the problem players might just be immune to any of those pressures, because they do not see themselves as the issue, and they like the place they have carved out for themselves here.
We are going to lose players in the next two years whose skills we cannot afford to lose. Our once vaunted farm system looks kinda weak right now, lots of 3rd and 4th line prospects, but no one looking to take top pairing/top six spots. And much to Winnipeggers dismay, attracting top FA talent has never been a thing here.
Rebuild? Retool? Reshuffle?
I guess we find out in the next 10 games... or maybe 14...
I'm only speculating but I think Wheeler's leadership hit the rocks when Byfuglien left before the 2019-20 season.
Byfuglien's presence as a player and leader - on and off the ice - was pretty important. And it seems to have left a void with this team since his departure.
This off-season is going to be pretty interesting irrespective of how the remainder of the season goes.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 23, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
I'm only speculating but I think Wheeler's leadership hit the rocks when Byfuglien left before the 2019-20 season.
Byfuglien's presence as a player and leader - on and off the ice - was pretty important. And it seems to have left a void with this team since his departure.
This off-season is going to be pretty interesting irrespective of how the remainder of the season goes.
That's what I thought last off-season. Not exactly holding my breath.
Good road win for the Jets. 7/17/22 excellent all night. Helli some big saves when we needed him. PL80 has his best game since coming back from injury. PP still letting us down.
I'm happy for the win. Sucks that it's this hard to compete with the worst teams in the league.
The powerplay is an embarrassment.
Just take the two points and move on to the next game, which will be tough.
Much needed results, on the scoreboard, from Appleton and Lowry
Connor, scored, was seemingly very aggressive at the net and PLD and El Nino are a force.
Gotta keep playing HellB cuz the enemy are so very close in the standings
Interesting point they kept bringing up in the telecast, that playing against a team with nothing to play for is that teams like the Ducks have no structure you can plan against, no tendencies that they are trying to refine for the playoffs. I get the point, but if you are chasing the other team, you are not playing your game.
Struggling to beat teams that are the worst in the league isn't great. But as long as they win more than they lose, I guess it could be worse.
They weren't chasing the Ducks yesterday. They also didn't struggle to beat them.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 24, 2023, 06:32:21 PM
They weren't chasing the Ducks yesterday. They also didn't struggle to beat them.
Yes, we pretty much dominated that game.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 24, 2023, 07:15:53 PM
Yes, we pretty much dominated that game.
5v5, it was pretty much all Jets.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 24, 2023, 07:15:53 PM
Yes, we pretty much dominated that game.
And yet it was a tie game in the third period.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 24, 2023, 07:21:35 PM
5v5, it was pretty much all Jets.
Yes, we missed a lot of scoring opportunities. Nice to see PL80 driving the net again and playing physical.
Looks like it's another afternoon game in LA tomorrow.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 24, 2023, 08:29:25 PM
Looks like it's another afternoon game in LA tomorrow.
Can't really watch those.
Dumb kids.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 24, 2023, 08:29:25 PM
Looks like it's another afternoon game in LA tomorrow.
Puck drop at 3 pm here in Winnipeg.
These Jets are playing some of the most uninteresting/ frustrating / non-entertaining hockey.
It's not even enjoyable to watch. Feels like last year.
Bad, terrible, horrible results from the faceoff dots and certainly led to goals against or chasing the puck
Kings certainly knew how to slow Jet entry and then, in mass, protect their net front.
Glad I opted to take a nap yesterday afternoon instead of watching the game.
This team is bewildering.
You would think there will be some sort of shake up in the off season. Status quo would send the wrong message.
Quote from: ModAdmin on March 27, 2023, 01:02:50 AM
You would think there will be some sort of shake up in the off season. Status quo would send the wrong message.
Said the same last season. Here we are.
Whole lot of expiring contracts coming up at the end of next season though. Might not have a choice if everyone wants to bail as UFA's.
Pretty accurate article by Mike McIntyre on the current situation of the Jets...
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2023/03/26/scheifele-vanishes-no-effort-spared-in-search
Can't read the article but the title makes it pretty clear. Something's wrong with Scheifele - again.
Found a link to the article: https://archive.is/w2S88
Bowness better get that diva in line. How embarrassing.
Good news: The ICE start there playoffs this Friday.
I still can't fathom how roughly two months ago, this team was fighting for a top spot in the conference.
It's unsettling that whatever has happened with this team in the last few years, it's been allowed to fester by both management and ownership.
Time to make a call up from the Moose... bring in Harkins and Toninato and put them with Ehlers, put 26 and 55 in the press box for a game.
Drastic, sure, but I bet Harkins gets more than zero shots in 19:17 ice time.
And maybe the earn to stay in the lineup if they produce.
Sure, you might bruise 55's ego, but giving 26 a much needed rest might have benefits. And Ehlers always seems to have fun with new linemates.
It's pretty simple, our top plays just haven't been good.
BW26. 0G in his last 20.
KC81. 2G in his last 17.
PL80. 2G in his last 12.
NE27. 4G in his last 16.
JM44. 0G in his last 10.
MS55. 0G in his last 8.
NN62. 4G in his last 14.
It seems like there's a correlation between playing sound defensive hockey and creating scoring opportunities.
Oh, wait... That's exactly what it is.
This team - the top 6 especially - gave up on playing 200 ft. again and it's dismantled their entire game.
Not even going to tune in tonight.
The Sharks have two wins in their last 15 games. Want to take a guess who they beat twice in that span?
This team.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 28, 2023, 07:28:41 PM
It's pretty simple, our top plays just haven't been good.
BW26. 0G in his last 20.
KC81. 2G in his last 17.
PL80. 2G in his last 12.
NE27. 4G in his last 16.
JM44. 0G in his last 10.
MS55. 0G in his last 8.
NN62. 4G in his last 14.
Add another game to everyone on this list.
I kinda hope the Jets miss the playoffs at this point. They're currently up against the Garbage Knights who absolutely embarrassed the Jets earlier this season when they were actually playing competently.
It might be time to show Cheveldayoff the door and get some new blood in the manager's seat. TNSE seems to have rested on their laurels, so maybe missing the post-season for a second straight year could be the wake-up call the organization needs.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 29, 2023, 02:15:32 PM
I kinda hope the Jets miss the playoffs at this point. They're currently up against the Garbage Knights who absolutely embarrassed the Jets earlier this season when they were actually playing competently.
It might be time to show Cheveldayoff the door and get some new blood in the manager's seat. TNSE seems to have rested on their laurels, so maybe missing the post-season for a second straight year could be the wake-up call the organization needs.
Totally agree.
Better to make the playoffs if they do make it. Then he might be forced to truly play the players that are sitting and realize he doesn't have the right combination of players. Plus a few players are hurt Gagner and another player. We got too many players who dump it it on the corner . And wheeler on the top line is kind of sad . He started out the year on 3rd line now he's power play.
Sam Gagner is out for the rest of the season. I also don't think there is any chance CP91 is back this season. What you see, is what we have.
Maybe Bones is a terrible offensive coach...maybe not having a captain wasn't a good idea...
I do think 55 needs to be benched...
This team is a mess - GM, coach and players all to blame.
Just keep getting worse and worse.
Scheifele and Bowness pretty openly disagreeing with each other. One or both is gone next year.
Put me on the side that would rather see us miss the play-offs if it helps us make some changes. I don't believe Chevy is going anywhere but maybe they accept it's time to rebuild and develop a new core. The current one is toast.
Quote from: Jesse on March 29, 2023, 10:20:35 PM
Just keep getting worse and worse.
Scheifele and Bowness pretty openly disagreeing with each other. One or both is gone next year.
Put me on the side that would rather see us miss the play-offs if it helps us make some changes. I don't believe Chevy is going anywhere but maybe they accept it's time to rebuild and develop a new core. The current one is toast.
Yes, if Bones and Chevy are still around I can see a few players wanting out. We already know PL80 is leaving, it just when. It looks like MS55 is done with the Jets. That would leave us with CP91. A small talented C that can't stay healthy. AL17 who is a 3rd. line C a beast of a man, and heart and soul of this team. Just not a lot of finish.
What does Montreal have that we would want for PL80? Or would this have to been a three team trade. MS55 at just over $6m next season is a good price for a guy that can score 40 goals, and 65-80 points. BW26 and his $8M is to much for his talent at this point in his career.
2024-25 UFA's: BW26, MS55, NN62, PL80, Helli, BD5, DD2.
I am also thinking we miss the playoffs.
Quote from: Pigskin on March 30, 2023, 06:19:25 PM
Yes, if Bones and Chevy are still around I can see a few players wanting out. We already know PL80 is leaving, it just when. It looks like MS55 is done with the Jets. That would leave us with CP91. A small talented C that can't stay healthy. AL17 who is a 3rd. line C a beast of a man, and heart and soul of this team. Just not a lot of finish.
What does Montreal have that we would want for PL80? Or would this have to been a three team trade. MS55 at just over $6m next season is a good price for a guy that can score 40 goals, and 65-80 points. BW26 and his $8M is to much for his talent at this point in his career.
2024-25 UFA's: BW26, MS55, NN62, PL80, Helli, BD5, DD2.
I am also thinking we miss the playoffs.
This is all fan and reporter speak though.
Chevy and everyone on top are going to keep the team as similar as they can. I realistically expect way less changes than any of us may hope for.
Still licking my "fan wounds" from the loss via Reimer's great shutout performance
Today, at practice, some pretty decent line juggling was done.
As reported, the move of MS55 to the wing with PLD & KC81 seems to have stirred a bubbling, speculation pot, even more
Niederreiter drops down to play wing with Lowry & Apple
Namestnikov, not good at the dot overall ,centers the Fly & Wheels but I suspect Wheeler will take most faceoffs.
Dream game vs Detroit will have Stenlund, Maenalanen, Ehlers, Dubois and KC81 each score with Wheels banging in 2 goals, MS55 gets 3 assists
Player sub-performance and and inability to play at a play off level, plus coaching changes that arguably have not worked out particularly well seems to the responsibility of management. Perhaps that is the area that needs to be addressed in the off season.
The issue of players not excited about being in Winnipeg is a side issue that would be remedied if we had a playoff/Stanley Cup contender.
Quote from: ModAdmin on March 30, 2023, 11:38:13 PM
The issue of players not excited about being in Winnipeg is a side issue that would be remedied if we had a playoff/Stanley Cup contender.
That's an oversimplified way to look at it, IMO.
This organization is draft and develop first - and not necessarily by choice. That's just an unfortunate reality for a small market Canadian team in today's NHL. If the team struggles to attract free agent or make trades to improve the roster, how does it become a contender? The two are interconnected and the latter can't really happen without the former.
The 2018 season and playoff run was the only time this team has ever demonstrated a true and consistent contender status, and that mostly on the back of a top echelon goaltender and a strong leadership core. And in that instance, a player had to waive his contract movement clause to facilitate a trade that made improved the roster. Since then, this team has regressed to the mean, as the leadership has dwindled or disappeared and players have moved on to get their paydays.
The Jets can't really compete with the likes of the Bruins, the Rangers, the Lightning, the Knights - just to name a few. Those are way more attractive markets for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being contract movement clauses.
I think the bigger issue with this team right now is complacency - and that starts at the top with ownership and trickles down to the roster. Two and a bit months ago, this team was still competing for a top spot in the conference. Since then, something happened and it seems like those who should care the most simply do not.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 31, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
That's an oversimplified way to look at it, IMO.
This organization is draft and develop first - and not necessarily by choice. That's just an unfortunate reality for a small market Canadian team in today's NHL. If the team struggles to attract free agent or make trades to improve the roster, how does it become a contender? The two are interconnected and the latter can't really happen without the former.
The 2018 season and playoff run was the only time this team has ever demonstrated a true and consistent contender status, and that mostly on the back of a top echelon goaltender and a strong leadership core. And in that instance, a player had to waive his contract movement clause to facilitate a trade that made improved the roster. Since then, this team has regressed to the mean, as the leadership has dwindled or disappeared and players have moved on to get their paydays.
The Jets can't really compete with the likes of the Bruins, the Rangers, the Lightning, the Knights - just to name a few. Those are way more attractive markets for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being contract movement clauses.
I think the bigger issue with this team right now is complacency - and that starts at the top with ownership and trickles down to the roster. Two and a bit months ago, this team was still competing for a top spot in the conference. Since then, something happened and it seems like those who should care the most simply do not.
some truth nuggets in there for sure...This team will follow a cycle of every 6 - 10 years having a team go deeper in the playoffs depending on the draft and develop timeline, some exceptional play from key players and a coaching staff that can motivate players to and beyond their base skill level. We will never consistently be a legit Stanley cup contender year after year for the reasons above.
The big question will be - will fans pay top dollar for a team that is just at or below the compete level with the odd burst above in an arena that is squishy and likely in the bottom 1/3 of game day experience (subjective comment by me based on what I have heard).
I haven't paid for a ticket since before covid - my few games a year are freebies and it is a fun evening out but I end up over spending on food and beer cause the tickets were free...if I was doling out top dollar for tickets the "extras" would be way less and the evening less fun.
Quote from: The Zipp on March 31, 2023, 03:11:01 PM
some truth nuggets in there for sure...This team will follow a cycle of every 6 - 10 years having a team go deeper in the playoffs depending on the draft and develop timeline, some exceptional play from key players and a coaching staff that can motivate players to and beyond their base skill level. We will never consistently be a legit Stanley cup contender year after year for the reasons above.
The big question will be - will fans pay top dollar for a team that is just at or below the compete level with the odd burst above in an arena that is squishy and likely in the bottom 1/3 of game day experience (subjective comment by me based on what I have heard).
I haven't paid for a ticket since before covid - my few games a year are freebies and it is a fun evening out but I end up over spending on food and beer cause the tickets were free...if I was doling out top dollar for tickets the "extras" would be way less and the evening less fun.
I am not paying for this version of the Jets. I disagree entirely with how they've managed the team the past few years.
AC18 back in Winnipeg tonight. 74 games. 9G 32A for 41 points. He will probably have his best game of the season tonight. lol
No Morrissey tonight with possible illness of sorts
Maenalanen up in Press box and Kulman drew in
KC81 tips one in early in first ?- Yahoo
Wow, 6 goals in one game. Jets played a very good first two periods. A little sloppy in the 3rd.
Big win. The best game they've played in ages.
Finally a game where gnawing the fingers wasn't necessary
Disliked seeing the Wings enjoying a good 3rd period which made the Jets look their normal passive selves
NJ is a good team. This should be a tough game. Jump on them early, as they played last night. JM44 should be back tonight.
The Jets played a very good game. Scoring seems to be back just in time for a 4 point game against the Flames.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 31, 2023, 02:33:45 PM
That's an oversimplified way to look at it, IMO.
This organization is draft and develop first - and not necessarily by choice. That's just an unfortunate reality for a small market Canadian team in today's NHL. If the team struggles to attract free agent or make trades to improve the roster, how does it become a contender? The two are interconnected and the latter can't really happen without the former.
The 2018 season and playoff run was the only time this team has ever demonstrated a true and consistent contender status, and that mostly on the back of a top echelon goaltender and a strong leadership core. And in that instance, a player had to waive his contract movement clause to facilitate a trade that made improved the roster. Since then, this team has regressed to the mean, as the leadership has dwindled or disappeared and players have moved on to get their paydays.
The Jets can't really compete with the likes of the Bruins, the Rangers, the Lightning, the Knights - just to name a few. Those are way more attractive markets for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being contract movement clauses.
I think the bigger issue with this team right now is complacency - and that starts at the top with ownership and trickles down to the roster. Two and a bit months ago, this team was still competing for a top spot in the conference. Since then, something happened and it seems like those who should care the most simply do not.
I hear what you are saying but the fact remains that players want to play for a team that wins and the Stanley Cup is the goal of most, if not, every player whether it's Winnipeg, New York or Tampa.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 03, 2023, 02:50:08 AM
The Jets played a very good game. Scoring seems to be back just in time for a 4 point game against the Flames.
Huge game on Wednesday - we need the flames to lose the night before...and hopefully this blizzard coming doesn't mess with the game..
Jets played very well last night - took it to NJ right from the start.
Back to back games where gnawing on fingers or squeezing a ball wasn't necessary ---- YIPPEE ----- Great Victory
Winning combos:
the Jet players are scoring a putt load, HellB is competing hard and the stick work, to break up passes, has been awesome
Fantastic win last night! Kinda sad I missed it (John Wick 4 was unreal, though).
Huge game here on Wednesday evening now. Jets seem to have found their game again, so I like their chances over these remaining five games.
Next Five Games:
Jets Play: Flames, Predators, Sharks, Wild, Ava's.
Flames Play: Blackhawks, Jets, Canucks, Predators, Sharks.
Blackhawks beat the Flames. That helps the Jets.
Big game tonight! Whiteout even came to town. ;D
Though the Flames are trailing in points, my opinion is that the Jets absolutely must win
Looking at the schedules ---- feel the Flames are less likely to lose after tonight vs the games after for the Jets
Flames can certainly cause possession action so our team must be exceptionally efficient in our end and cleanly get out.
Should unfold like a playoff game
Win the next three games and they're in. Gotta make these remaining home games count.
Shine up the golf clubs boys...tee time
What a bunch of clowns.
This teams peak was 2-4 years ago and we pissed it away.
The ownership and management will continue to 'retool' for as long as they can so we'll be stuck in the play-off line/Wild Card spot every year for the time being because we're one of the middling teams who are neither going for it nor making a conscious rebuild.
The only teams worse than us are the ones actively trying to lose.
2018 was the moment, IMO. 2019 was when things began to slide and the off-season catalyzed a lot of what's wrong with this organization now.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 06, 2023, 04:20:39 PM
2018 was the moment, IMO. 2019 was when things began to slide and the off-season catalyzed a lot of what's wrong with this organization now.
The years after 2018 should have been our peak. That's when our core was in their primes. The young kids like Connor and Ehlers were ready to go, Scheifele and Helle were at their peak and Wheeler hadn't started his decline. 2018 should have been the start of something great - but for whatever reason or reasons, we let it go to waste.
If I'm in charge, I recognize that it's too late to salvage (if Stanley Cup is the goal). But "there is no appetite for a rebuild" in TrueNorth, so we'll cling to the middle.
Quote from: Jesse on April 06, 2023, 04:28:32 PM
The years after 2018 should have been our peak. That's when our core was in their primes. The young kids like Connor and Ehlers were ready to go, Scheifele and Helle were at their peak and Wheeler hadn't started his decline. 2018 should have been the start of something great - but for whatever reason or reasons, we let it go to waste.
The team lost 4/6 of its blue line in the 2019 off-season. I don't think it's ever recovered.
Trouba was traded and while Pionk started off pretty well relatively speaking, he's gradually declined (and also lacks Trouba's presence and physicality). Myers and Chiarot left for free agency, and Byfuglien walked away from hockey shortly before the 2019-20 season. The team has yet to replace that exodus of talent and grit and it shows. They relied heavily on that defense corps and it seems like a commitment to smart two-way hockey hasn't been realized. If not for Hellebuyck carrying this team more often than not, they're probably considerably worse off and I doubt we're even talking about playoffs right now at all.
The forward talent is there but the consistency to playing the right way is not. Leadership also remains an issue, which speaks to an attitude problem.
How these next few games shake out should be irrelevant to how this off-season is tackled, IMO. Changes are needed in a big way. How that looks is beyond me but the way things have gone lately can't be allowed to continue.
Flames are good but this was our barn, victory should not have quietly slipped away in front of our fans
Quote from: Jockitch on April 06, 2023, 07:03:02 PM
Flames are good but this was our barn, victory should not have quietly slipped away in front of our fans
Flames are not good.
Jets are built like a never was wanna be *** kisser. In 2018,we needed a couple players to get to the next level. Cheveldayoff coil not do it. Then he didn?t know Bufflin would quir and Meyers would sign in Vancouver. He then signed three defensive clowns to
5 million dollar contracts Who are sissy?s
Another big game for the Jets tonight.
The Preds have scored more points then I never imagined after Forsberg and then Josi went down
Tells ya how far a team can progress when the goalie Saros is so terrific
Tonight we start, again, our super star HellB with a much, much better studded lineup.
Soooo if the hockey gods are smiling then we win by 3, otherwise a major biter will unfold.
Jets played a very good game. Helli super solid. NE27 is flying. MS55 with his 40th. Love the way AL17 plays.
Thank you, Canucks.
If Ehlers turning it on makes such an impact.
Now, we need to find a way to beat Reimer.
Wonderful victory.
Felt bad for Ehlers and dinging to much iron
Great finish at home for the season
After the first 20 seconds the Jets played a pretty good game. The Wild will be a much bigger test tomorrow night. Jets with two goals on the PP tonight.
Great way to close out the home schedule.
The Jets just need one point in their last two and for the Predators to lose once in order to clinch.
Good road win for the Jets. Helli was out of this world good, and a little lucky. RR75 should been out of that game for boarding, long before the AL17 fighter.
Not sure how the Jets will fare in the playoffs but congrats to them on winning when it counted and getting into the playoffs.
Tremendous victory for our playoff bound Jets
Horseshoes, rabbits feet, 4 leaf clover?s were indeed part of HellB?s outstanding performance
*** ??.. the refs were pathetic
Reaves dirty, dangerous hit on DeMelo how did he not get called for it.
the horribly dirty hit by Hartman on Ehlers has got to be a suspendable idiotic hit
Hellebuyck was lights out last night. Huge win!
The Wild are garbage.
Quote from: Jockitch on April 12, 2023, 05:09:22 AM
Tremendous victory for our playoff bound Jets
Horseshoes, rabbits feet, 4 leaf clover?s were indeed part of HellB?s outstanding performance
*** ??.. the refs were pathetic
Reaves dirty, dangerous hit on DeMelo how did he not get called for it.
the horribly dirty hit by Hartman on Ehlers has got to be a suspendable idiotic hit
Evason is a idiot for put those players on the ice at the end of the game. Also why was 25 for the Wild not kicked out for three man in on the Dillon fight?
NP4, gets a $5000 fine for his cross check.
Certainly do not agree with Pionk receiving a fine ......... grrrrr
Just glad Hartman got suspended for his disgusting antics.
A fine is whatever, IMO. That was a vicious cross-check but had the refs done their job last night, none of that happens.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 12, 2023, 08:45:23 PM
Just glad Hartman got suspended for his disgusting antics.
A fine is whatever, IMO. That was a vicious cross-check but had the refs done their job last night, none of that happens.
Yes, 1 game and $9200.00. Glad to see NE27 was on the ice at the end of the game.
Mentioned, in 2nd period, to a friend last night, that I would definitely sit out at least 5 skaters if we win
for Thursday battle. Now as we don?t need points for sure I would.
My opinion is, and not including Riitich in for HellB
Sit for sure Morrissey and perhaps DeMelo and get Capobianco and Stanley in
Also I would not dress Wheeler, Dubois and most definitely Ehlers
Put in Kuhlman, Gustafson and Fjallby
Any thoughts fans
Chicago Black Hawks released a statement this morning that J. Toews will not be resigned
They wish him good luck, as well as other positive comments about what he had meant to the org..
Perhaps for a couple mill $$ he might oblige and sign with the Jets
Eh. Can't say there's an immediate need for an aging centre whose best years are way behind him, regardless of the price.
^ Moreso than that, his recent heath issues would put into question his ability to play at all for any team.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 13, 2023, 03:07:21 PM
Eh. Can't say there's an immediate need for an aging centre whose best years are way behind him, regardless of the price.
Quote from: drahgon on April 13, 2023, 04:10:29 PM
^ Moreso than that, his recent heath issues would put into question his ability to play at all for any team.
For both these reasons, I have zero interest.
Vegas bound Jets . Certainly feel that our men can take the series
Quote from: Jesse on April 14, 2023, 05:13:56 PM
For both these reasons, I have zero interest.
I fully expect he'll retire. He's going to be 35 at the of the month.
Quote from: Jockitch on April 14, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Vegas bound Jets . Certainly feel that our men can take the series
Hard to be sure but they've found their game again and Hellebuyck could steal a few games based on his play.
Should be an interesting opening game on Tuesday!
First home playoff game. Saturday April 22, 3 pm.
Game day, baby.
LFG.
Stone back in for Vegas. Need someone in a 33 jersey to give him flashbacks ;)
Facing Broissoit in net should be interesting, is he or CH37 get hot, it won't matter what offense can do.
Jets at home in 6.... which will be a terrible outcome for the fans. "Success" reduces the chance at change... still might happen, but not as likely the further they go.
Winning a playoff round is a terrible outcome for the fans...? LOL
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 18, 2023, 07:51:23 PM
Winning a playoff round is a terrible outcome for the fans...? LOL
Long term... you know what I mean... if we had missed the playoffs, we'd see changes. If we lose round one, still might see some, but fewer than if we missed. Win round one, and even less changes...
I'm OK with short term pain for long term gain.
Let's be positive Jet fans and cheer for success in every game and as the idiom says "may the chips fall where they may"
Quote from: Jockitch on April 18, 2023, 10:29:07 PM
Let's be positive Jet fans and cheer for success in every game and as the idiom says "may the chips fall where they may"
Agree, nicely said.
Very good game for the Jets. Nice win.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 18, 2023, 08:35:29 PM
Long term... you know what I mean... if we had missed the playoffs, we'd see changes. If we lose round one, still might see some, but fewer than if we missed. Win round one, and even less changes...
I'm OK with short term pain for long term gain.
I agree with what you're saying, but I'm 100% turning that off for the play-offs.
The off-season will eventually begin and we can debate what the future of the team holds, but now is just time to be a fan.
Quote from: theaardvark on April 18, 2023, 08:35:29 PM
Long term... you know what I mean... if we had missed the playoffs, we'd see changes. If we lose round one, still might see some, but fewer than if we missed. Win round one, and even less changes...
I'm OK with short term pain for long term gain.
No, I don't know what you mean. The Jets made the playoffs, so there goes the discussion about "changes" moving forward.
The Jets are in the playoffs and just beat the tar out of the Garbage Knights last night. I'd rather bask in that victory than entertain your tiresome what ifs that go basically nowhere.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 19, 2023, 04:13:36 AM
Very good game for the Jets. Nice win.
Huge win! The best performance they've put together in months, IMO.
Gritty effort by Barron last night.
https://www.nhl.com/news/morgan-barron-cut-by-skate-returns-and-inspires-winnipeg/c-343682906?tid=343453254
The victory was certainly well earned and my body felt so energized after it was over
If this was game planned and executed accordingly then hats of to the so called "buy in"
Cheering for the healing of Barron and hopefully minimal headache issues
Road team got away from their game and it cost them, especially in the third.
Here's hoping Bowness makes the adjustments and they get back to what worked for the better part of the last 5/6 periods.
Big game tomorrow in Winterpeg!
Really terrific effort in the first seemed so irrelevant while watching the game slip away
The hits, 73 by Jets and 64 by Vegas, were incredible in quantity from both teams
Confident that our coaching staff will review and adjust and the players will rock on the ice
Quote from: Jockitch on April 21, 2023, 08:25:04 PM
Really terrific effort in the first seemed so irrelevant while watching the game slip away
The hits, 73 by Jets and 64 by Vegas, were incredible in quantity from both teams
Confident that our coaching staff will review and adjust and the players will rock on the ice
My confidence isn't that high...
Game 1 Jets was NOT the real Jets...
Crazy great effort in third, for the comeback and now OT.
Losing JM44 for the rest of the series is a big blow to this team. (Knee).
It was a great comeback. Jets really looked flat up to that point.
Who do the Jets put in the lineup to replace JM44. Capobianco or Stanley.
Awful news of course with J. Morrissey lost
Suggest they bring up and put him in; Leon Gawanke a Rshot Dman voted the Moose MVP
Scored a crazy total of 20 goals
Let our 5 regular Dmen keep sluggin it out and put Gawanke on the PP blueline and let it rip
Desperate, absurd, never going to happen kinda thought but what the heck
Quote from: Jockitch on April 24, 2023, 02:23:54 AM
Awful news of course with J. Morrissey lost
Suggest they bring up and put him in; Leon Gawanke a Rshot Dman voted the Moose MVP
Scored a crazy total of 20 goals
Let our 5 regular Dmen keep sluggin it out and put Gawanke on the PP blueline and let it rip
Desperate, absurd, never going to happen kinda thought but what the heck
The kid has some offensive talent.
No NE27 tonight again.
Methinks the boys are done. Can't keep losing top talent and expect to hang with the top seed in the conference.
Such a shame because the series started off well and outside of game 2, the Jets have found ways to keep pace. Needed to get the comeback win in game 3, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 25, 2023, 02:17:59 PM
Methinks the boys are done. Can't keep losing top talent and expect to hang with the top seed in the conference.
Such a shame because the series started off well and outside of game 2, the Jets have been found ways to keep pace. Needed to get the comeback win in game 3, IMO.
Agree, game 2 wasn't pretty. However the Jets have battled and played for the most part very well.
Definitely agree that they are battling.
Team is up against the wall but hopefully they get that extra goal on Thursday
I am surprised how bad we are at home in the playoffs.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 25, 2023, 08:42:52 PM
I am surprised how bad we are at home in the playoffs.
It's crazy...the whiteout is a curse...we can't win at home it seems.
Pretty evident we have no business being in the playoffs. We dominated game 1 but I think that was more Vegas sleeping and taking us lightly, since then we been out played every game.
Quote from: The Zipp on April 26, 2023, 02:48:04 AM
It's crazy...the whiteout is a curse...we can't win at home it seems.
Curses aren't real. In 2019, the Jets went up against the league's hottest team going into the post-season. All but one game (game 3) was decided by a goal in that opening series.
This time around, they're a wildcard team going up against the conference's best team.
Quote from: bluengold204 on April 26, 2023, 03:31:16 AM
Pretty evident we have no business being in the playoffs. We dominated game 1 but I think that was more Vegas sleeping and taking us lightly, since then we been out played every game.
Nah. They made the playoffs thanks to a late push and earned that final WC spot.
Game 3 could've easily gone the Jets' way after erasing a three-goal deficit, but Samberg made a costly error in 2OT. Keep in mind they did so without their best defenseman. Game 4 was similarly close and that was without Scheifele.
I'm not saying moral victories are worth anything but to suggest they have no business being in the playoffs is patently false.
Missing 3 forwards from your top 6, and your best D-man would be tough for any team. The Jets have played well. Helli will have to be lights out, and we will need a few breaks to see game 6.
Sound like PL80, Stenlund, and NE27, skated today.
MA22 did not skate today.
Holm still the backup for tonight.
Fore!!
Take Chevy with you...
Pretty clear they have to make changes from the top down.
Agree the Jets need to make some changes. Chevy would be a good place to start. Well at least we still have the Ice and the Moose left in the playoffs.
The Manitoba Moose start there playoffs tonight in Winnipeg. Go Moose.
Finally, as of 5 minutes ago, caught the comments, shot from the hip, by Bowness at the Presser from last night
Certainly none of the "proud of these guys" or "tough season but they battled hard" routine speech coughed up by others over the years.
Was numbed at 4-0 and that saved me from being edgy the rest of the game.
Apparently it's garbage bag day tomorrow and players will be guarded in their comments
Winnipeg will now be Speculation City. Rumors will be manufactured prior to the Draft and up to the new season opener
Well guaranteed something is going to happen ?either Bowness is gone, the leadership group is, or Chevy is shown the door. I am hoping it?s both leadership group and Chevy. This team, other than Lowry, has no grit, total group of pushover pansies. Dubois can?t be shown the door quick enough.
Maurice is proving he wasn?t the problem last year. His panthers are playing lights out against the #1 seed. He resigned and left the dressing room Bowness is barking about. Seems to me it?s the players and the GM is stocking the locker room, seems they both gotta go
Quote from: dd on April 29, 2023, 01:12:59 AM
Well guaranteed something is going to happen ?either Bowness is gone, the leadership group is, or Chevy is shown the door. I am hoping it?s both leadership group and Chevy. This team, other than Lowry, has no grit, total group of pushover pansies. Dubois can?t be shown the door quick enough.
Maurice is proving he wasn?t the problem last year. His panthers are playing lights out against the #1 seed. He resigned and left the dressing room Bowness is barking about. Seems to me it?s the players and the GM is stocking the locker room, seems they both gotta go
I will disagree with the no grit comment. 17, 7, 62, 36, 22, 8 all come to play every night. On D 2,4,5, 44 before he was injured. 54 will be much better next season.
Chevy has been here since the Jets return. Time for some fresh management.
Bowness' post-game comments hit the nail on the head.
No push-back. No pride.
TNSE has some major decisions to make this off-season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 29, 2023, 04:53:01 PM
Bowness' post-game comments hit the nail on the head.
No push-back. No pride.
TNSE has some major decisions to make this off-season.
Wheeler didn't care for them. Bones is up at a presser in about 20 mins...I suspect there will be some damage control and an apology of sorts...I had no prob with what bones said...kinda falls back to him though.
For as much stock as you want to put into Rod Peterson I saw a clip that he heard from nhl execs last off season that Chevy tried to trade MS and BW and teams didn't want them because they knew what they would be getting. Chevy has no choice but to unload for peanuts now.
Maybe Bones has decided to retire. I can't see these players playing for him next year. The Jets may have to trade the whole team to keep Bones.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 29, 2023, 03:25:58 AM
I will disagree with the no grit comment. 17, 7, 62, 36, 22, 8 all come to play every night. On D 2,4,5, 44 before he was injured. 54 will be much better next season.
Chevy has been here since the Jets return. Time for some fresh management.
I don't think he's talking about individual "tough guy" grit.
He means the ability, as a team, to push back when your backs are against the wall.
In an elimination game, we just got embarrassed.
Quote from: Pigskin on April 29, 2023, 07:28:31 PM
Maybe Bones has decided to retire.
He said he unequivocally wants to be back, rebuild or not.
Quote from: Jesse on April 29, 2023, 07:29:23 PM
I don't think he's talking about individual "tough guy" grit.
He means the ability, as a team, to push back when your backs are against the wall.
In an elimination game, we just got embarrassed.
Embarrassed indeed, and any coach or player who accepts getting beat like that, you don?t want him. I for one applaud Bowness for calling everyone out vs accept it and say we ll get em next year. That effort was deplorable. Bowness later said that disgusted was too strong a word?-no it wasn?t. It was disgusting. We played like losers, just happy to have made the playoffs, so let?s go home. Unacceptable and I expect lineup changes as we ain?t winning with this group. Maurice knew it and got out and now Bowness has just rang the bell. Time for change
Kevin Cheveldayoff will be back as GM next season, reports Elliotte Friedman.
I don?t put much
In freedman. He is a wanna be. But he tries
Bowness should not take back anything he said.
Scheifele plays like has a no back check clause
Yet I have seen him stand around the face off circle sometimes.
Wheeler die not seem to want ?it? but when he tries he is force.
Dubois is a force but, sometimes you wonder whose side he is on.
The defense is awful, overpaid, unassertive,never mind aggressive.Pionk is a chiuawwa.
Schmitt at $5.5 million is crazy. Is he related to Cheveldayoff.
Bottom line Cheveldayoff after 12? Years is a proven loser
TSN
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Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff announces that Rick Bowness will return behind the Jets bench.
I d be making some serious changes to our lineup?Aside from helleybuck, Kyle Conor and morresey- all are tradeable and I?d even trade morresey if it came right down to it. But half our forwards and defense should be in the AHL, they aren?t NHL caliber players. We need better top 6 production, we had invisible ghosts when push came to shove. Dubois would be the first to go, followed by wheeler and sheffeile. Our defense is awful we need at least 3 more to give us 4 solid D.
Quote from: Jesse on April 29, 2023, 07:29:23 PM
I don't think he's talking about individual "tough guy" grit.
He means the ability, as a team, to push back when your backs are against the wall.
In an elimination game, we just got embarrassed.
This. Was Bowness' delivery heated after the loss? Yes. Could he have chosen his words better? Maybe. Does it matter? No. He spoke candidly and some players on this team chose to personalize and dramatize his comments.
There's a reason Wheeler was stripped of the captaincy (something I didn't see coming and was surprised it happened). And based on his response to Bowness' remarks, it seems obvious why he was no longer the captain. Leading by example only works when it's consistent.
Same goes for Scheifele. Here's a guy I thought would be the next captain based on a few really good campaigns. Not the case anymore, though. While he's a consistent point getter still, his effort or commitment is inconsistent, especially away from the puck. That's not leadership material.
This team as a whole bought into a new system this past season. They were battling for a top spot in the conference as a result. But then things began to slide and they tumbled down the standings. They somehow found a way get back on track late in the season and after a huge win to open up the first round, they found themselves in a hole after two really tight game at homes. Rather than push back, they were pushed over and their season came to a halt.
If adversity is a problem for the so-called leaders on this team, then it's probably time to move on from them.
I just don't want a rebuild. A retune would be more palatable, as I think there's still enough talent on this roster looking ahead to next season to compete for a playoff berth.
If it's without a guy like Wheeler, so be it.
Making the playoffs for a one game win could be the setting point to continuing this mediocrity. Had we missed the playoffs we would likely have had to follow what the flames did...fire GM and coach.
So much has been said about Bowness....how about what the players said, or more importantly, didn't say. None appeared to be too upset about their hopeless performance, most were very chill about it. Punt those losers the heck out of the dressing room. Those who are happy with being embarrassed, should be gone. Starting with #26. Don't worry about what Bowness said, why didn't he say that he too was upset with their performance speaks volumes of what's wrong in that dressing room. Players are happy to be playing in the NHL --and some of them rightfully so, as they should really be playing in the AHL.
Moose win another one in OT tonight.
With the announcement that Chevy AND Bowness are expected back next year, I'm guessing there will be a number of players that will not be.
Already seeing tweets complaining about Falby, Stenlund and other bottom 6 / pressbox players "taking up roster space". I think that our min wage guys are the least of our worries, that they deliver more than thier money's worth in skill and effort, and every team that has players making over $6mil needs players making min wage.
Draft and develop takes time, yeah, and you can't rebuild quickly through draft picks. Its going to take scouts getting teams to part with players with upside for our malcontents, as well as draft picks.
I was 100% with signing CH37 long term to $10 mil before the year ended, but his exit interview siding with the existing "leadership group" against Bowness makes me question that going forward. If he was just going with the flow and not trying to focus attention on himself, then I'm fine keeping him. But if he is one that thinks BW26 is still captain without the "C", then we need to get max return for him this offseason, and start looking at our young tenders to take over.
Moose will have to play game 5 as they spent a lot of time in the penalty box and lost last night.
Moose are out of the playoffs, losing 2-1 in game 5.
Harkins, 4G 3A, in 5 games. Harkins had a good season with the Moose.
Sad
Jets with the 19th pick in this years draft.
One of the top Jets prospects decided to head to Germany. 23 year old D-man Gawanke signs with a German club for 4 years. He had 20 G and 25 A this season.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 10, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
One of the top Jets prospects decided to head to Germany. 23 year old D-man Gawanke signs with a German club for 4 years. He had 20 G and 25 A this season.
Is he really a top prospect at this point? He was drafted in 2017 and hasn't had so much as a sniff in the NHL.
I can understand his decision based on the fact he's from Germany and can probably make similar or better money playing there than in the AHL.
He didn't join the Moose until 2019/20 season. Due to covid he played in Germany in 2020/21. The last two season you could really see his improvement. A very offensive D-man. Good skater that moved the puck well, and could score. But your probably right, the money is probably the same or even a little better in Germany.
Hellebuyck is a finalist for the Vezina.
NE27 is going to play in the World Championships. Injured most of the season. As a Jets fan I would like to see him get healthy and play a full season.
Paul Maurice says hi from Florida.....moving onto the next round, while sheiffle and wheeler are playing another round of golf!!! Big changes in the locker room needed!! And Maurice is too classy, but he could say I toaddaso!!
::)
A lot of trade rumors about Helli.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 23, 2023, 07:22:32 PM
A lot of trade rumors about Helli.
The one wild card.
I fully believe the organization wants to run it back, but Helle can throw a big wrench into that if he's clear he won't re-sign.
Quote from: Jesse on May 23, 2023, 07:24:58 PM
The one wild card.
I fully believe the organization wants to run it back, but Helle can throw a big wrench into that if he's clear he won't re-sign.
He made it clear he's not interested in staying for a rebuild - and I can't say I blame him considering how much he's given this organization recently and its failings by not addressing shortcomings adequately.
I hope it won't come to that for the Jets and they're able to re-tune the roster to compete for not only another playoff berth but a deep run.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 23, 2023, 07:37:10 PM
He made it clear he's not interested in staying for a rebuild - and I can't say I blame him considering how much he's given this organization recently and its failings by not addressing shortcomings adequately.
I hope it won't come to that for the Jets and they're able to re-tune the roster to compete for not only another playoff berth but a deep run.
You are far more optimistic about this team's abilities than I am. I can't imagine any "re-tune" that makes this roster successful.
Quote from: Jesse on May 23, 2023, 07:55:30 PM
You are far more optimistic about this team's abilities than I am. I can't imagine any "re-tune" that makes this roster successful.
Cautiously optimistic. I gave up my season tickets, so emphasis on the cautious.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 23, 2023, 07:37:10 PM
He made it clear he's not interested in staying for a rebuild - and I can't say I blame him considering how much he's given this organization recently and its failings by not addressing shortcomings adequately.
I hope it won't come to that for the Jets and they're able to re-tune the roster to compete for not only another playoff berth but a deep run.
Is there any chance that the Jets "rebuild"?
I can see them moving on from some veterans, MS55, BW26, PLD80... but they retain a very talented core. Is that a rebuild, or a retool?
Soooooo many teams would want HellB., of course including our Jets
A big contender should be the Hurricanes, if he balks signing extension here.
Cap Friendly has them in a good Cap position and with aging goalies, I give it a hmmmm.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 23, 2023, 11:42:52 PM
Is there any chance that the Jets "rebuild"?
I can see them moving on from some veterans, MS55, BW26, PLD80... but they retain a very talented core. Is that a rebuild, or a retool?
I don?t know how you could lose your top 2 centres and call it a retool.
Quote from: Jesse on May 24, 2023, 02:34:04 AM
I don?t know how you could lose your top 2 centres and call it a retool.
You don't. It's a rebuild. I also don't know who this very talented core is.
If the Jets have to trade PL80, I can't see them moving MS55 at this point. They would be left with CP91 as a top 6 C. CP91 has some skill, but hasn't been able to finish a season yet. NE27 very skill, but gets injured far to often. That leaves this team with KC81. NN62 is a 20-25 goal man, but probably would be a 3rd. line player on any of the top teams. Also trading 55,26 and 80 all at once your giving up 186 points.
36,17,22. Really like this group as our 3rd. line. But none of them are top 6 players. Would really like to see, 62,17,22 as our 3rd. unit.
Our 4th. line crew, very low production. Would be looking for a little more toughness in that group.
If the Jets are going to trade PL80 and Helli. They will need players in return who are top 6 and can step in right now.
They have to trade PL80 at some point. He doesn't say much about his future, but he does insist that going to FA is important to him. The highest return we can get for him would be before the season starts, I would think.
I can't imagine the Jets letting Scheif or Helle go unless the players flat out refuse to sign. But it's probably not a great long term move - the same core that's been a bubble team for 5 years, only now paying more money to fewer players.
PLD is as good as gone. I thought after the amazing first half we had last season that if we went on a deep run he would return but after we showed our true colours, that possibility went away. Trade him at the time and for the deal that garners the greatest return (I'm talking high picks and interesting prospects)
Scheif and Helle are in the prime years of their careers and looking to win in their next contract. I don't blame them for not wanting part of a rebuild at a time they should be leading good teams to victory. Trade them at the time and for the deal that garners the greatest return (I'm talking high picks and interesting prospects)
Wheeler is going to be a third or fourth line mercenary for a contender for his final years playing in the NHL. He will want whoever gives him his final chance to get a cup. Retain half his salary & trade him at the time and for the deal that garners the greatest return (I'm talking high picks and interesting prospects)
The only thing that would sway my opinion would be if Scheif or Helle committed to Winnipeg and wanted to sign long term for a windfall of cash (I'm fine with this). I would still trade the rest but would be open to getting players and treat it more like a retool than a rebuild. Other teams have been successful doing retools to get back in the playoff race. Of course it's a gamble if you're getting your team over a critical hump to the promise land or just delaying the inevitable. It's a tough balance to strike and there are no guarantees.
You can lose MS55 and PLD80 *IF* you replace one or both, either in the trade or through FA.
There are a lot of top C in FA...
Quote from: theaardvark on May 25, 2023, 03:54:17 AM
You can lose MS55 and PLD80 *IF* you replace one or both, either in the trade or through FA.
There are a lot of top C in FA...
Who are these top C in FA. I just looked at the list. Not much on there.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 25, 2023, 07:27:13 AM
Who are these top C in FA. I just looked at the list. Not much on there.
Even if there were, we all know the issues with signing FA's here. It's kind of the reason I'm on the complete tear down plan.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 25, 2023, 03:54:17 AM
You can lose MS55 and PLD80 *IF* you replace one or both, either in the trade or through FA.
There are a lot of top C in FA...
You don't replace those two through free agency. You need to trade either and the return would have to be commensurate in order to not label things a rebuild.
Cheveldayoff's got his work cut out in what will be arguably his most challenging off-season yet.
Quote from: Jesse on May 25, 2023, 11:37:00 AM
Even if there were, we all know the issues with signing FA's here. It's kind of the reason I'm on the complete tear down plan.
We'll be in for some lean and disappointing years ahead if that comes to pass. I sincerely hope there's another way to right the ship.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 25, 2023, 01:30:29 PM
You don't replace those two through free agency. You need to trade either and the return would have to be commensurate in order to not label things a rebuild.
Cheveldayoff's got his work cut out in what will be arguably his most challenging off-season yet.
We'll be in for some lean and disappointing years ahead if that comes to pass. I sincerely hope there's another way to right the ship.
I just can't envision what that could possible be.
Even if we re-signed everyone (including PLD), that's the same "on the play-off bubble" calibre roster we've had for the last 5 years - only now we'd have much more money invested in the MS, PLD, and CH. Which means even less to spend on the rest of the team.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 25, 2023, 01:30:29 PM
You don't replace those two through free agency. You need to trade either and the return would have to be commensurate in order to not label things a rebuild.
Cheveldayoff's got his work cut out in what will be arguably his most challenging off-season yet.
We'll be in for some lean and disappointing years ahead if that comes to pass. I sincerely hope there's another way to right the ship.
Re the bold...not necessarily. For sure we would be finishing outside the playoffs for several consecutive years, but if it's made clear that we are rebuilding, the Jets can market it and we can start to get excited to watch the high draft picks we sign as they develop into future stars, and can get excited about what we could become one day "soon". Being disappointed depends on the expectation set. If we go all out to sign as many of the core as possible and just miss the playoffs or exit after 4-5 games, then yeah that's for sure a disappointment.
I haven't renewed my season tickets yet. Waiting to see what happens over the summer.
Quote from: Jesse on May 25, 2023, 05:34:31 PM
I just can't envision what that could possible be.
Ditto. It's a wait and see approach as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: blue_or_die on May 25, 2023, 06:36:46 PM
Re the bold...not necessarily. For sure we would be finishing outside the playoffs for several consecutive years, but if it's made clear that we are rebuilding, the Jets can market it and we can start to get excited to watch the high draft picks we sign as they develop into future stars, and can get excited about what we could become one day "soon". Being disappointed depends on the expectation set. If we go all out to sign as many of the core as possible and just miss the playoffs or exit after 4-5 games, then yeah that's for sure a disappointment.
You don't get a chance to make a run unless you make the playoffs, though. Not saying it's the rule but look at a team like the Panthers right now. Anything is possible in the playoffs but you have to make it in first.
The Jets have struggled to market the team well recently. Trying to market a potential rebuild seems like a failure to me, especially when players have no interest in being part of it.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 25, 2023, 08:43:45 PM
You don't get a chance to make a run unless you make the playoffs, though. Not saying it's the rule but look at a team like the Panthers right now. Anything is possible in the playoffs but you have to make it in first.
The Panthers are a stacked team that were expected to go on a run like they are, but everyone forgot because they had such a lacklustre regular season. They got to that point by building up their roster. With a few exceptions, every team "inevitably" (I use that word cautiously) will get good in today's NHL, it's just a matter of winning it all while they're in that window before they inevitably wash out and become not so great, which is where the Jets are finding themselves now, on the right hand side of a peak but before the valley.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 25, 2023, 08:43:45 PM
The Jets have struggled to market the team well recently. Trying to market a potential rebuild seems like a failure to me, especially when players have no interest in being part of it.
They don't really have a choice but to market a rebuild at some point, for the reasons stated above. And in such a scenario, the players who have no interest being part of it are irrelevant because by definition, they'd be gonezo.
Quote from: blue_or_die on May 26, 2023, 08:31:35 PM
The Panthers are a stacked team that were expected to go on a run like they are, but everyone forgot because they had such a lacklustre regular season. They got to that point by building up their roster. With a few exceptions, every team "inevitably" (I use that word cautiously) will get good in today's NHL, it's just a matter of winning it all while they're in that window before they inevitably wash out and become not so great, which is where the Jets are finding themselves now, on the right hand side of a peak but before the valley.
They don't really have a choice but to market a rebuild at some point, for the reasons stated above. And in such a scenario, the players who have no interest being part of it are irrelevant because by definition, they'd be gonezo.
The Panthers were down 3-1 in their opening round vs. BOS and clawed back into and eventually won the series on the back of their goalie. Bobrovsky has carried that team this post-season, which isn't so different from what Hellebuyck has done for the Jets in recent regular season campaigns. That's where the comparison between the two teams ends, though. The Panthers don't have to deal with being an undesirable market where few players want to play.
And this organization absolutely does have a choice. They've drafted well and need to continue developing that talent to complement the core as others age out or no longer fit here.
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/winnipeg-jets/news/its-a-lot-better-than-people-think-nino-niederreiter-on-winnipeg
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 29, 2023, 04:19:42 PM
The Panthers were down 3-1 in their opening round vs. BOS and clawed back into and eventually won the series on the back of their goalie. Bobrovsky has carried that team this post-season, which isn't so different from what Hellebuyck has done for the Jets in recent regular season campaigns. That's where the comparison between the two teams ends, though. The Panthers don't have to deal with being an undesirable market where few players want to play.
And this organization absolutely does have a choice. They've drafted well and need to continue developing that talent to complement the core as others age out or no longer fit here.
Definitely disagree there. Everyone has to rebuild at some point. It's a matter of knowing when it's the right time.
Quote from: blue_or_die on May 29, 2023, 06:44:09 PM
Definitely disagree there. Everyone has to rebuild at some point. It's a matter of knowing when it's the right time.
I didn't say otherwise. I'm saying something similar to your last line: making the choice to do so at the ideal time.
Based on what I see with this organization right now, this is not the time for a rebuild. I don't think such a drastic measure needs to be taken.
And to be blunt: I'd rather see a new GM before the organization even considers a rebuild.
Also: are you disagreeing this team hasn't drafted well?
Buffalo apparently wants Helli. Love to get Cozens and a draft choice or top prospect.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 29, 2023, 10:06:45 PM
I didn't say otherwise. I'm saying something similar to your last line: making the choice to do so at the ideal time.
Based on what I see with this organization right now, this is not the time for a rebuild. I don't think such a drastic measure needs to be taken.
And to be blunt: I'd rather see a new GM before the organization even considers a rebuild.
Also: are you disagreeing this team hasn't drafted well?
Ok, well then I disagree with your assessment that the right time isn?t now. I think that given our ?Core Four? contract situation and the fact that we seem to have objectively hit our ceiling and are largely mediocre, the writing is on the wall. Unless we can do a retool, but I?m not sure trading our good players for other good players isn?t a lateral move resulting in little to no improvement.
I think that with the org giving Chevy his new contract that Chevy might be wise to start over and use that as an excuse to extend his tenure; being a bubble team is the likely outcome IMO and won?t give him another extension.
And no argument from me that Chevy drafts very well.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 29, 2023, 10:06:45 PM
I didn't say otherwise. I'm saying something similar to your last line: making the choice to do so at the ideal time.
Based on what I see with this organization right now, this is not the time for a rebuild. I don't think such a drastic measure needs to be taken.
And to be blunt: I'd rather see a new GM before the organization even considers a rebuild.
Also: are you disagreeing this team hasn't drafted well?
Draft and develop are the parameters we have to work within.
We not only did that perfectly; Allowing PoMo to go young and develop the team, hit on multiple picks with Ehlers, Connor, Scheifele, Helle, Trouba, Morrissey, Laine/Dubois all hitting and becoming top 6/Top 4 NHLers; We also lucked out by getting a Vezina winner for the cost of a 5th and securing his and Scheifele's contracts early at team friendly numbers; while also "winning" the draft lottery in our sucky years to get the #2 draft pick.
Everything came up Milhouse and we battled to the conference finals in 2018/19. That should have been the beginning of our run. Unfortunately, it turned out to be the peak and we've straight up wasted the prime years of our core. Even if we could bring everyone back - all this team has proven to be is a bubble team that may or may not make the playoffs.
Part of draft and develop is knowing when a "development" has taken it's course, and reinvesting in the "draft". We have young guys coming up: like Perfetti, Lambert, McGroarty, Heinola, Samberg. The best thing to do at this point in time would be to try and add some premium picks into that collection so 3-4 years from now the current prospect group has a couple years experience when we add a couple elite top-5 picks into the mix. Then we can enter a new window that has frankly closed on this group.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 29, 2023, 11:06:33 PM
Buffalo apparently wants Helli. Love to get Cozens and a draft choice or top prospect.
If Chevy knew he had Dubois signing, he definitely should do it
How about he tells Buffalo that Scheifle has to be part of it
- would suggest the Sabres give us Cozens, Jack Quinn, J.J. Peterka, Goalie - Devon Levi and of course their 1st Rd pick this June and next year
Chevy gives up HellB, Scheifle and Perfetti
Quote from: Jockitch on May 30, 2023, 04:27:20 AM
If Chevy knew he had Dubois signing, he definitely should do it
How about he tells Buffalo that Scheifle has to be part of it
- would suggest the Sabres give us Cozens, Jack Quinn, J.J. Peterka, Goalie - Devon Levi and of course their 1st Rd pick this June and next year
Chevy gives up HellB, Scheifle and Perfetti
Well that depends on if we are rebuilding or retooling. I was thinking PL80 or MS55 to Arizona for Lawson Crouse.
PL80 is leaving, that means we're keeping MS55.
Chevy's gonna insist on getting an NHL player + low end draft pick/prospect, rather than getting a higher draft pick/prospect + low end player. And he's gonna re-sign Scheif to a legacy contract. Helle too, if he can get him to agree to it.
Quote from: Jesse on May 30, 2023, 02:29:32 PM
PL80 is leaving, that means we're keeping MS55.
Chevy's gonna insist on getting an NHL player + low end draft pick/prospect, rather than getting a higher draft pick/prospect + low end player. And he's gonna re-sign Scheif to a legacy contract. Helle too, if he can get him to agree to it.
Tying MS55 around your neck like an albatross without a letter on his chest seems like a bad idea. Even trading him for someone who approximates his production, even if it costs you a good prospect or draft pick would be a much better move, even if you lose PLD80.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 30, 2023, 06:57:52 PM
Typing MS55 around your neck like an albatross without a letter on his chest seems like a bad idea. Even trading him for someone who approximates his production, even if it costs you a good prospect or draft pick would be a much better move, even if you lose PLD80.
It's what I believe will happen, not what I would personally do.
Montreal/Winnipeg trade for PL80. Maybe Joshua Roy, and this years #5 pick in the draft. A number of very good players in the top 10. If a player like Fantilli dropped to #5, that would be a great pick.
Though I paid a pretty penny, years back, for a nice white team jersey with Scheif's name on the back, I truly hope Chevy moves him.
PLD80 may never be a point a game player but his style is much loved
If we go forward without him and legacy contract #55 and expect Perffeti to be a 2-way star, then me thinks Chevy will be making a mistake
Legacy contract HellB, maybe 8 years at $8.5 per, than okay
The Buffalo stuff was good fun and I am a Cozens fan
Quote from: Pigskin on May 30, 2023, 09:11:25 PM
Montreal/Winnipeg trade for PL80. Maybe Joshua Roy, and this years #5 pick in the draft. A number of very good players in the top 10. If a player like Fantilli dropped to #5, that would be a great pick.
I don?t think PLD is going to be moved to Montreal. They are a rebuilding team and aren?t going to give up the assets we want for PLD - they certainly won?t give up the #5 pick - and I doubt Chevy even wants the high pick, because he wants a player back.
Montreal probably feels like they can just make PLD an offer in next years free agency.
I think PL80 gets an offer sheet if he doesn't sign a deal here.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 31, 2023, 03:31:56 PM
I think PL80 gets an offer sheet if he doesn't sign a deal here.
Is there a case of that actually happening?
Most likely situations are: Trade, trade at the deadline, walks in FA. In that order.
Quote from: Jesse on May 30, 2023, 02:49:17 AM
...we battled to the conference finals in 2018/19. That should have been the beginning of our run. Unfortunately, it turned out to be the peak and we've straight up wasted the prime years of our core. Even if we could bring everyone back - all this team has proven to be is a bubble team that may or may not make the playoffs.
It was 2017-18 when the Jets finished second overall and made it the WCF, losing to a team that was basically carried to the SCF by a reinvigorated Fleury. A year later, the Jets lost in six to the hottest team in the league post-Christmas break and the eventual Stanley Cup champions. The 2018-19 off-season proved to be pretty disastrous when 2/3 of the blue line was traded (Trouba), signed elsewhere (Myers, Chiarot), and bailed (Byfuglien). I can't think of any other team in recent history that had to deal with circumstances like that, much less a team that relies predominantly on draft and develop to fill its roster.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 30, 2023, 06:57:52 PM
Tying MS55 around your neck like an albatross without a letter on his chest seems like a bad idea. Even trading him for someone who approximates his production, even if it costs you a good prospect or draft pick would be a much better move, even if you lose PLD80.
This seems like a baseless assumption. If the team re-signs him, I would argue it's more likely he keeps a letter than not.
Quote from: Jesse on May 31, 2023, 04:45:19 PM
Is there a case of that actually happening?
Most likely situations are: Trade, trade at the deadline, walks in FA. In that order.
Yes, there is.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 31, 2023, 08:17:02 PM
Yes, there is.
Is there really, though?
If a team submits an offer sheet and it works for the Jets, all the latter has to do is match it and they retain Dubois for the term and money offered. If not, they get all the compensation from the team that gets him via offer sheet.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 31, 2023, 08:43:55 PM
Is there really, though?
If a team submits an offer sheet and it works for the Jets, all the latter has to do is match it and they retain Dubois for the term and money offered. If not, they get all the compensation from the team that gets him via offer sheet.
True, but it has happens. Kotkaniemi got an offer sheet from Carolina. Montreal did not match. I think they received 2, 1st. round picks. I am pretty sure PL80 would be worth at least 3 first round picks.
Definite speculation time as the June Draft will follow shortly after the Cup final GOOOO Panthers, and PM., GOOOOO
Caught a SportsNet blurb that says the Sharks are dangling their 1st Rd., 4th pick status
Anyone want to guess what package Chevy might offer
Quote from: Jockitch on May 31, 2023, 09:56:20 PM
Definite speculation time as the June Draft will follow shortly after the Cup final GOOOO Panthers, and PM., GOOOOO
Caught a SportsNet blurb that says the Sharks are dangling their 1st Rd., 4th pick status
Anyone want to guess what package Chevy might offer
Stanley and MS55?
Stanley and BW26, wishful thinking.
PL80.
Stanley, NS88. wishful thinking again.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 31, 2023, 09:27:41 PM
True, but it has happens. Kotkaniemi got an offer sheet from Carolina. Montreal did not match. I think they received 2, 1st. round picks. I am pretty sure PL80 would be worth at least 3 first round picks.
I think you're dreaming, man.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 31, 2023, 09:27:41 PM
True, but it has happens. Kotkaniemi got an offer sheet from Carolina. Montreal did not match. I think they received 2, 1st. round picks. I am pretty sure PL80 would be worth at least 3 first round picks.
It wouldn't work that way.
This is the current compensation structure: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fuukcr0WcAIwnvI?format=jpg&name=small
I'm confident in saying a team* would offer him around north of $8M AAV, in which case the Jets would get a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd (up to ~$8.6M AAV); 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 3rd (~$8.6 to ~$10.7M AAV); or 4 1sts (~$10.7M or higher AAV).
The Jets are currently projected to have just shy of $13M in cap space (just for information purposes).
*
I have no idea what team would offer sheet him
So, Dubas signed in Pittsburg as President.
Question. If Chevy left/was fired, would another team sign him? At the GM level or above? No doubt he could land a job as a draft guy or the like, but an "in charge" position?
Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2023, 04:13:48 PM
So, Dubas signed in Pittsburg as President.
Question. If Chevy left/was fired, would another team sign him? At the GM level or above? No doubt he could land a job as a draft guy or the like, but an "in charge" position?
What would it matter? He'd no longer be part of this organization, so it wouldn't have any effect on the Jets whatsoever.
Also, who's the new GM in this made-up scenario of yours?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 01, 2023, 04:20:06 PM
What would it matter? He'd no longer be part of this organization, so it wouldn't have any effect on the Jets whatsoever.
Also, who's the new GM in this made-up scenario of yours?
My point was that if Chevy isn't a GM that would be sought after, why is he acceptable as our GM?
Who is the new GM? There are probably half a dozen good candidates out there... but I am not versed in that talent pool, sorry.
Just saying that are we accepting Chevy's presence as being "the best we can do" or "the Devil you know" instead of finding the best possible talent.
Not sure how much Chevy had to do with the drafting until now... some great picks have been made, but was that him making the decision, or just announcing the pick. Same with the trades that have been made... was that scouting that was responsible, or Chevy?
Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2023, 06:38:49 PM
My point was that if Chevy isn't a GM that would be sought after, why is he acceptable as our GM?
Who is the new GM? There are probably half a dozen good candidates out there... but I am not versed in that talent pool, sorry.
Just saying that are we accepting Chevy's presence as being "the best we can do" or "the Devil you know" instead of finding the best possible talent.
Not sure how much Chevy had to do with the drafting until now... some great picks have been made, but was that him making the decision, or just announcing the pick. Same with the trades that have been made... was that scouting that was responsible, or Chevy?
What does this even mean, lol?
Scouts make their reports and the GM has the final say...like in every other club.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2023, 06:38:49 PM
My point was that if Chevy isn't a GM that would be sought after, why is he acceptable as our GM?
Who is the new GM? There are probably half a dozen good candidates out there... but I am not versed in that talent pool, sorry.
Just saying that are we accepting Chevy's presence as being "the best we can do" or "the Devil you know" instead of finding the best possible talent.
Not sure how much Chevy had to do with the drafting until now... some great picks have been made, but was that him making the decision, or just announcing the pick. Same with the trades that have been made... was that scouting that was responsible, or Chevy?
You didn't make a point.
Dubas' contract was up in Toronto and the two parties chose to part ways. What's the purpose of this ridiculous commentary you prefaced with the hiring of Kyle Dubas in Pittsburgh and then compare it to the situation here? They're completely different.
You're the one making some weird, baseless speculation on Cheveldayoff's "acceptability" as GM of this team, but you can't even try to mention one name for who would replace him were he to be fired. Why bother?
And to be clear,
we aren't accepting anything; TNSE makes personnel decisions irrespective of how the fanbase feels about any of them.
Cheveldayoff and Heisinger work with their management team and scouts when it comes to drafting (https://www.nhl.com/jets/team/hockeyoperations). So, in all likelihood, they decide together and the GM announces the selection - much in line with the other teams in the NHL. As for trades, I'd say it stands to reason the GM consults with his AGM but he's ultimately the one to contact another team and negotiate.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at with that last line of horse-feathered nonsense. Unless you're trying to feebly suggest someone else is pulling the strings when it comes to drafting and trading players but that seems preposterous and not worth entertaining.
FWIW, the Jets 2.0 have drafted quite proficiently the last 13 years and there seems to be a consensus amongst those in the know around the league.
Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2023, 07:29:25 PM
What does this even mean, lol?
Scouts make their reports and the GM has the final say...like in every other club.
Precisely.
Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2023, 07:29:25 PM
What does this even mean, lol?
Scouts make their reports and the GM has the final say...like in every other club.
GM obviously has the final call, but if our scouts are saying "Draft this guy", while other scouts aren't, and Chevy "drafts this guy", is it the scout or the GM? That's all I'm saying. If the scouts come up with the names, and all Chevy does is pick the next name on the list, that's not a tough job.. how much credit does Chevy get for the job done? Did he hire the scouts?
Yes, a great administrator can put together a great team of underlings to make his job easy. Is that the case here? Are our successes because of Chevy, or in spite of him? And regardless how much time has passed, the stink of the Beach debacle still sticks.
You can't fire the whole team...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2023, 09:14:40 PM
GM obviously has the final call, but if our scouts are saying "Draft this guy", while other scouts aren't, and Chevy "drafts this guy", is it the scout or the GM? That's all I'm saying. If the scouts come up with the names, and all Chevy does is pick the next name on the list, that's not a tough job.. how much credit does Chevy get for the job done? Did he hire the scouts?
Yes, a great administrator can put together a great team of underlings to make his job easy. Is that the case here? Are our successes because of Chevy, or in spite of him? And regardless how much time has passed, the stink of the Beach debacle still sticks.
You can't fire the whole team...
So you?d be fine if the Bombers fired Kyle Walters?
Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2023, 10:35:36 PM
So you?d be fine if the Bombers fired Kyle Walters?
That's comparing Apples and Orangutangs.
I was asking the question, is Chevy solely responsible for the information that led to the decisions made that have brought us good players? Or was he the beneficiary of great scouting? Is the scouting team a result of his efforts, or would we get the same results with a different GM with less baggage?
Walters, we know has the nose for talent, he worked his way to the top of this organization...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2023, 12:11:42 AM
That's comparing Apples and Orangutangs.
I was asking the question, is Chevy solely responsible for the information that led to the decisions made that have brought us good players? Or was he the beneficiary of great scouting? Is the scouting team a result of his efforts, or would we get the same results with a different GM with less baggage?
Walters, we know has the nose for talent, he worked his way to the top of this organization...
You can't answer that question about any GM (including Kyle). It's always a group effort. No single person can evaluate all the players in the draft. I mean, this is obvious stuff aards.
I'm also not a fan of Chevy's history and would have made a lot of different hiring/firing decisions around this team - but I don't even understand what you're trying to do with this scouting narrative. Scouts file reports. Head scouts have a place in the room when they're all debating pros and cons. A consensus will be formed amongst the team. GM breaks ties.
JESSE nailed it or made it short and simple
You can't answer that question about any GM (including Kyle). It's always a group effort. No single person can evaluate all the players in the draft. I mean, this is obvious stuff aards
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2023, 12:11:42 AM
I was asking the question in extremely bad faith...
FTFY
You're just making things up - again - and then sealioning.
Dubois, according to his agent Brisson, will not sign a bridge deal nor any long term extension -- as reported by LeBrun, today.
Others picked up on this, Illegal Curve, OverDrive, and so we ask is Chevy going to make a great move
Also quite a bit more chatter on HellB and probability of Scheif moving
Are goalies such as Hart from Flyers or Swayman from Boston of interest
Can we interest Ottawa in Dubois for some of their young talent
Man, if the Jets would commit to a rebuild, they could collect so many assets.
Instead, we're just going to re-sign as many as our core as possible and collect more mid-NHL talent.
Send PL80 to Arizona, for either Crouse, McBain, or Keller, and draft choice.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 08, 2023, 06:50:02 PM
Send PL80 to Arizona, for either Crouse, McBain, or Keller, and draft choice.
He?s giving us a list of teams, apparently.
Giving Chevy a list of teams ? Sheesh !!!
Guessing that the return for trading him to a team on his list would likely increase
All based on him agreeing to sign long term elsewhere
Quote from: Jockitch on June 08, 2023, 11:21:43 PM
Giving Chevy a list of teams ? Sheesh !!!
Guessing that the return for trading him to a team on his list would likely increase
All based on him agreeing to sign long term elsewhere
Yeah, this is actually good for us, I think. If he?s willing to sign a long term deal somewhere it will increase the return.
Well, I think everyone knew this was coming. To bad, really like his style of play. However on the down side. This is his second team in a short career, and he hasn't been happy with either one of them.
The Dubois drama can?t end soon enough. Don?t care where he goes as long as he goes.
Quote from: dd on June 10, 2023, 03:30:10 AM
The Dubois drama can?t end soon enough. Don?t care where he goes as long as he goes.
I do, however, greatly care for what the return is.
Ask Montreal to give us Suzuki or Dach in trade. :D
Quote from: PloenFan on June 11, 2023, 09:34:45 PM
Ask Montreal to give us Suzuki or Dach in trade. :D
Montreal is the least likely destination for Dubois. That whole thing is so overblown.
They won?t give up assets in a trade and even if he was a UFA, right now, they wouldn?t pay his asking price.
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 11, 2023, 08:53:17 PM
I do, however, greatly care for what the return is.
Sounds like he'll have to submit a list of half a dozen teams with which to set up a sign and trade.
Cheveldayoff needs to maximize the return.
I really don't understand PLD's antagonism to WPG. If he embraced the city, he could retire here a herp. His play matches what the fans love, and he has a core around him that are legit taents that could, with him, challenge for the cup.
Is it tax laws? Is it another player? Is it the GM or Owner? The coach? Or just the stigma that Winnipeg is small time, with the second smallest venue in the league.
Can't be the fans, who are some of the most supportive and numerous in the league. He has obviously see Jets jerseys in EVERY road arena, he know the passion here.
We will always be a cap spending team, there is no debate about that, so it can't be he is worried we won't put the effort into putting a winning team on the ice.
Do we need to get him hooked on ice-fishing?
Quote from: theaardvark on June 12, 2023, 03:15:06 PM
I really don't understand PLD's antagonism to WPG. If he embraced the city, he could retire here a herp. His play matches what the fans love, and he has a core around him that are legit taents that could, with him, challenge for the cup.
Is it tax laws? Is it another player? Is it the GM or Owner? The coach? Or just the stigma that Winnipeg is small time, with the second smallest venue in the league.
Can't be the fans, who are some of the most supportive and numerous in the league. He has obviously see Jets jerseys in EVERY road arena, he know the passion here.
We will always be a cap spending team, there is no debate about that, so it can't be he is worried we won't put the effort into putting a winning team on the ice.
Do we need to get him hooked on ice-fishing?
No one cares about the fans. It's reason some people stay away from Canadian teams - it's not a reason they stay. Ever.
It's the money. It's the city.
We'd likely offer him the money - he must want a big city. Apparently he travels to NYC a lot - so watch for an East Coast market.
Now Hellebuyck has declared no interest in long term signing.
The Bombers get players to sign here for less than market value. American players. Many of whom move here year round.
Winnipeg can't get players who were drafted here, have been here many years, and that like Ice Fishing to sign.
Who has managed to build these two different team dynamics?
Chevy and Walters.
Its not the city that is the issue. Its Chevy and Chipman. If this was a community owned franchise, might be a different story. But Chipman's loyalty to Chevy put them boith about the team, the fans, the coaches, everything. And the shrinking fanbase and players who put us on no trade lists and want to be traded away are vibrant examples of how they have ruined NHL hockey in the 'peg.
The sooner one or both are gone, the better.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 12, 2023, 06:34:21 PM
Now Hellebuyck has declared no interest in long term signing.
The Bombers get players to sign here for less than market value. American players. Many of whom move here year round.
Winnipeg can't get players who were drafted here, have been here many years, and that like Ice Fishing to sign.
Who has managed to build these two different team dynamics?
Chevy and Walters.
Its not the city that is the issue. Its Chevy and Chipman. If this was a community owned franchise, might be a different story. But Chipman's loyalty to Chevy put them boith about the team, the fans, the coaches, everything. And the shrinking fanbase and players who put us on no trade lists and want to be traded away are vibrant examples of how they have ruined NHL hockey in the 'peg.
The sooner one or both are gone, the better.
i wanted Chevy fired years ago...but you can't really compare CFL to NHL and Bombers to Jets...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 12, 2023, 03:15:06 PM
I really don't understand PLD's antagonism to WPG. If he embraced the city, he could retire here a herp. His play matches what the fans love, and he has a core around him that are legit taents that could, with him, challenge for the cup.
Is it tax laws? Is it another player? Is it the GM or Owner? The coach? Or just the stigma that Winnipeg is small time, with the second smallest venue in the league.
Can't be the fans, who are some of the most supportive and numerous in the league. He has obviously see Jets jerseys in EVERY road arena, he know the passion here.
We will always be a cap spending team, there is no debate about that, so it can't be he is worried we won't put the effort into putting a winning team on the ice.
Do we need to get him hooked on ice-fishing?
Replace him with Kane, Hayes, Laine, etc. Hell, you can even add Hellebuyck and Scheifele to that list now if the rumour mill is an indication of what's to come this summer.
Winnipeg is not a desirable market for many, if not the vast majority of NHL players - for a multitude of reasons. Is there anything gained by itemizing those reasons, though? I'd say no.
Bottom line is he doesn't want to be here. So, management has to work with that to try and facilitate a trade that not only addresses that, but garners a worthwhile return.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 12, 2023, 06:34:21 PM
Now Hellebuyck has declared no interest in long term signing.
The Bombers get players to sign here for less than market value. American players. Many of whom move here year round.
Winnipeg can't get players who were drafted here, have been here many years, and that like Ice Fishing to sign.
Who has managed to build these two different team dynamics?
Chevy and Walters.
Its not the city that is the issue. Its Chevy and Chipman. If this was a community owned franchise, might be a different story. But Chipman's loyalty to Chevy put them boith about the team, the fans, the coaches, everything. And the shrinking fanbase and players who put us on no trade lists and want to be traded away are vibrant examples of how they have ruined NHL hockey in the 'peg.
The sooner one or both are gone, the better.
What an absurd false equivalency.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 12, 2023, 06:34:21 PM
Now Hellebuyck has declared no interest in long term signing.
The Bombers get players to sign here for less than market value. American players. Many of whom move here year round.
Winnipeg can't get players who were drafted here, have been here many years, and that like Ice Fishing to sign.
Who has managed to build these two different team dynamics?
Chevy and Walters.
Its not the city that is the issue. Its Chevy and Chipman. If this was a community owned franchise, might be a different story. But Chipman's loyalty to Chevy put them boith about the team, the fans, the coaches, everything. And the shrinking fanbase and players who put us on no trade lists and want to be traded away are vibrant examples of how they have ruined NHL hockey in the 'peg.
The sooner one or both are gone, the better.
This post made my head hurt
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 12, 2023, 06:48:47 PM
This post made my head hurt
He forgot to include comparisons to Valour FC, the Goldeyes, and the Sea Bears.
OK, lets simplify it.
Does the Chevy/Chipman combo attract players. The Miller/Walters/Oshea combo sure seems to.
The guy making the deals, the guy signing players, trying to land FA and extend RFA's is the guy responsible for making THIS a destination to come to. As a person who has lived 1/3 of my life in each of three different cities, and chosen Winnipeg as my home, its not the city. Even if they prefer a bigger city, its not like it costs anything to have a second house here, with what they make. And "live" elsewhere. When the season is on, Winnipeg should be a better place, more focus, less distractions. and no shortage of fan support.
Did Jets 1.0 have any issues attracting players? Did Bobby Hull say "Nah, I'd rather play in New York"? Did Teemu demand a trade? (I don't know a lot about 1.0, I did not live here then)
Winnipeg became a bad destination on Chevy/Chipman's watch.
Prove me wrong.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 12, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
Does the Chevy/Chipman combo attract players. The Miller/Walters/Oshea combo sure seems to.
The guy making the deals, the guy signing players, trying to land FA and extend RFA's is the guy responsible for making THIS a destination to come to. As a person who has lived 1/3 of my life in each of three different cities, and chosen Winnipeg as my home, its not the city. Even if they prefer a bigger city, its not like it costs anything to have a second house here, with what they make. And "live" elsewhere. When the season is on, Winnipeg should be a better place, more focus, less distractions. and no shortage of fan support.
Did Jets 1.0 have any issues attracting players? Did Bobby Hull say "Nah, I'd rather play in New York"? Did Teemu demand a trade? (I don't know a lot about 1.0, I did not live here then)
Winnipeg became a bad destination on Chevy/Chipman's watch.
Prove me wrong.
Nah. Although, it doesn't take much. Ironically, you've just proven yourself wrong based on the above commentary.
There is literally no other valid comparison between the Jets and the Bombers except for this one: both are professional sports teams.
The end.Prove yourself right with facts and evidence for a change, not emotionally-charged conjecture, insipid anecdotes, and non-existent parallels. This routine of yours in hockey threads got old long ago but here you are still sealioning and sharing illogical narratives.
FWIW, Winnipeg has never been a "good" destination during either 1.0 or 2.0, so your misdirected blame ain't it.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 12, 2023, 07:35:11 PM
Nah. Although, it doesn't take much. Ironically, you've just proven yourself wrong based on the above commentary.
There is literally no other valid comparison between the Jets and the Bombers except for this one: both are professional sports teams. The end.
Prove yourself right with facts and evidence for a change, not emotionally-charged conjecture, insipid anecdotes, and non-existent parallels. This routine of yours in hockey threads got old long ago but here you are still sealioning and sharing illogical narratives.
FWIW, Winnipeg has never been a "good" destination during either 1.0 or 2.0, so your misdirected blame ain't it.
Again, I wasn't here for 1.0, but it seemed that quite the team was built here in spite of it being wintery, small town Winnipeg. Were tehre players that "wanted out" from that organization the way they are fleeing this one?
Is it Chevy? Chipman? Is there something wrong with the leadership group in the room?
If Chevy can't overcome the "no trade cascade", then is he fit for the job? Aren't you, as a fan, tired of the excuse "No one wants to play here, and there is NOTHING I can do about it?
Bob Irving said it succinctly...
Bob Irving@BobIrvingCJOB
Memo to Kevin Chevyldayoff: If guys don?t want to be in Winnipeg, get rid of them & get some guys who do. Make the best deals you can & bring in selfless players of high character. Talented grinders like Vegas has. And tell Hellebuyck the grass isn?t always greener elsewhere.Or, Chipman should find a GM that can...
Aards.
- The CFL is a league of mostly Americans with no ties to Canada who have very short careers making very little money. They?re just happy to still have a chance to play professional football. They are going to prioritize money and the chance to win far more than the city they live in. For 80k a year to play in Winnipeg during the summer and have a great chance at a ring, there?s every reason to want to play in Winnipeg. The bright lights of Toronto aren?t going to play a lick of a factor.
- The NHL is a league of millionaire players who spend about 8 months a year in a city playing 82 games and can have careers of 20+ years. The city will play a role. This is the case of PLD, who has proven he?s a prima donna and wants to live the baller life.
- In the CFL a rebuild lasts about one year. In the NHL, it can take 5+. Where the team is at will dictate where players will want to sign. Players aren?t lining up to sign in Chicago, Detroit, Ottawa, etc.
The point that the internet experts seem to miss is that Helle and Scheif aren?t refusing to sign new contracts because they hate Winnipeg, but because they want to win a cup, are in the prime of their playing years, and know that if we rebuild then they are essentially writing off their chance to win a cup. Wheeler is sort of the same but he?s in the dawn of his playing days and would probably want one last desperate shot at a cup.
I agree with Bob Irving. Chevy should trade the players that want to go where they will win, because it won?t be happening anytime soon. There?s NOTHING Chevy or Chipman can do to attract random FAs here to be part of a rebuild/retool. This would be the case if Kyle Walters was the GM of the Jets (I can?t believe I had to say that)
Even Wheeler said he wouldn?t have signed here if it wasn?t for the 2019(?) play-off push. If Wheeler was in his prime right now as one of the upcoming UFAs, he probably wouldn?t sign either.
We got the core to sign because they all came up and grew together and they wanted to experience success together. It?s possible for us to it. But the opportunity has come and gone for this core - the players all know it - now the organization needs to catch up.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 12, 2023, 09:58:15 PM
Again, I wasn't here for 1.0, but it seemed that quite the team was built here in spite of it being wintery, small town Winnipeg. Were tehre players that "wanted out" from that organization the way they are fleeing this one?
Is it Chevy? Chipman? Is there something wrong with the leadership group in the room?
If Chevy can't overcome the "no trade cascade", then is he fit for the job? Aren't you, as a fan, tired of the excuse "No one wants to play here, and there is NOTHING I can do about it?
Bob Irving said it succinctly...
Bob Irving@BobIrvingCJOB
Memo to Kevin Chevyldayoff: If guys don?t want to be in Winnipeg, get rid of them & get some guys who do. Make the best deals you can & bring in selfless players of high character. Talented grinders like Vegas has. And tell Hellebuyck the grass isn?t always greener elsewhere.
Or, Chipman should find a GM that can...
These questions you ask here will go unanswered because we, as fans on a sports forum, don't know the inner workings of a NHL organization.
The NHL has changed so much in the last 25 years. There weren't the same player provisions in the 80s and early 90s like there are now. So, I'm not sure what you're even asking or why you're making such a useless comparison.
There are many players in the NHL with contract clauses that have Winnipeg as a team for which they do not want to play. That's not an excuse; it's a reality of today's NHL where players have a lot of control as it relates to their careers - and it's not just the Jets who have to deal with that reality. That's why it's so crucial for this team to draft the right pieces and develop as much of the roster as possible in order to compete for a playoff berth.
Unfortunately, the window on this iteration of the Jets 2.0 is starting to close. Draftees like Scheifele and Hellebuyck are upcoming UFAs, giving them the control to decide what's best for them.
And since when is Bob Irving an authority on the NHL? He's making the same logical fallacy you are. (
he's also no more informed on the inner workings of a NHL organization)
I also can't imagine anyone at TNSE could give a rip what he has to say on Twitter, anyway.
Comparing this franchise to one such as Vegas is preposterous. We can talk about league parity but it's just a fallacy, IMO. There are very few teams who get to abuse the salary cap via LTIR and load up for a post-season run when roster and cap limitations go out the window - and the Winnipeg Jets are not one of them.
The Garbage Knights have done the exact same thing the Lightning did to win a championship. The Jets simply don't have the same luxuries as either of those teams.
I guess what I am saying is that there is no reason ANY franchise at ANY level cannot make a culture that players would love to play for. Chevy has not done this, and seems to actively drive players away.
Yes, draft and develop. But develop them into a culture that makes them want to wear a Jets logo for life. Not get out of town as early as possible.
Chevy has created a team dynamic that is NOT conducive to attracting or retaining players. Whether it is the coaches he hires, the players he centers on, or the organization itself, this is NOT a healthy franchise. When a player like Buff, who loved the city, loved his team, and was due millions of dollars just walks away... that's not a good sign.
When a player gets to the point where he is free to make the decision as to "what is best for him" and that decision is 100% of the time it is best to leave, you are not running a good organization. When you can't make your team a player's home during the years from draft to RFA, you are not doing your job.
This teams needs a Chevyectomy before we lose Conner, Ehlers, Perfetti... players you can build around...
'Memba?
Quote from: theaardvark on June 02, 2022, 06:50:09 PM
...no one seems to be understanding my point insufferably bad takes, or agreeing with it, so it is pointless to continue.
I 'memba. ;D
Quote from: theaardvark on June 13, 2023, 04:06:30 PM
I guess what I am saying is that there is no reason ANY franchise at ANY level cannot make a culture that players would love to play for. Chevy has not done this, and seems to actively drive players away.
Yes, draft and develop. But develop them into a culture that makes them want to wear a Jets logo for life. Not get out of town as early as possible.
Chevy has created a team dynamic that is NOT conducive to attracting or retaining players. Whether it is the coaches he hires, the players he centers on, or the organization itself, this is NOT a healthy franchise. When a player like Buff, who loved the city, loved his team, and was due millions of dollars just walks away... that's not a good sign.
When a player gets to the point where he is free to make the decision as to "what is best for him" and that decision is 100% of the time it is best to leave, you are not running a good organization. When you can't make your team a player's home during the years from draft to RFA, you are not doing your job.
This teams needs a Chevyectomy before we lose Conner, Ehlers, Perfetti... players you can build around...
You're dreaming if you think that NHL players today are going to blindly be Jets 4 life just because the "culture" is good and that actually applies to just about any team nowadays. The best we can do is what we've already been doing: drafting and signing smart, having a good fanbase to support the players, and getting to a window where the core players can have a chance at a cup. The reality is, that last point has come and gone in the business cycle. That is ALL that's happening here! Players aren't leaving (and nor would they stay) because of "culture". They're leaving because they want to use their prime years to play on a team they think will take them to the promise land.
This entire process plays out for EVERY SINGLE NHL team at some point. Chicago won THREE cups in the last decade and look where they are now...a shell of that team, and are now going to begin the rebuild process. And so as she goes in pro sports......
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 13, 2023, 06:14:31 PM
You're dreaming if you think that NHL players today are going to blindly be Jets 4 life just because the "culture" is good and that actually applies to just about any team nowadays. The best we can do is what we've already been doing: drafting and signing smart, having a good fanbase to support the players, and getting to a window where the core players can have a chance at a cup. The reality is, that last point has come and gone in the business cycle. That is ALL that's happening here! Players aren't leaving (and nor would they stay) because of "culture". They're leaving because they want to use their prime years to play on a team they think will take them to the promise land.
This entire process plays out for EVERY SINGLE NHL team at some point. Chicago won THREE cups in the last decade and look where they are now...a shell of that team, and are now going to begin the rebuild process. And so as she goes in pro sports......
Is there any, ANY. sign that this is a desireable place to be, a team that players want to play for?
Exit interviews, and even pre-exit interviews suggests something seriously dysfunctional in the room.
The previous coach walked away and is now in the cup final.
The current coach complains there is "no push back".
This is not a mentally healthy team, when your Vezina winning draft and develop goalie who loves ice fishing wants out, does that not send up red flags?
The big question is "How does one fix this level of problem".
Sure, you can rebuild, but if the foundation is bad, will the rebuilt team have a chance?
I'm just saying the obvious answer is a move at the very top. Chevy has made some impressive moves, trades and picks, but if you can't get them to play and you can't get them to stay, the point is moot.
Bring is a culture guy. You have the fans, you have the resources to make this a place any player would want to play.
It's like deja vu to a year ago.
Incorrigible. But entertaining. :D
Quote from: theaardvark on June 13, 2023, 08:11:34 PM
Is there any, ANY. sign that this is a desireable place to be, a team that players want to play for?
Exit interviews, and even pre-exit interviews suggests something seriously dysfunctional in the room.
The previous coach walked away and is now in the cup final.
The current coach complains there is "no push back".
This is not a mentally healthy team, when your Vezina winning draft and develop goalie who loves ice fishing wants out, does that not send up red flags?
The big question is "How does one fix this level of problem".
Sure, you can rebuild, but if the foundation is bad, will the rebuilt team have a chance?
I'm just saying the obvious answer is a move at the very top. Chevy has made some impressive moves, trades and picks, but if you can't get them to play and you can't get them to stay, the point is moot.
Bring is a culture guy. You have the fans, you have the resources to make this a place any player would want to play.
When Helli signed his current deal he was single. He is now married, and both he and his wife are Americans. Could it be they would just like to finish his career closer to home? Also there is lots of great ice fishing all over the US.
However, I wouldn't be sad if Chevy was gone.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 13, 2023, 09:12:47 PM
When Helli signed his current deal he was single. He is now married, and both he and his wife are Americans. Could it be they would just like to finish his career closer to home? Also there is lots of great ice fishing all over the US.
However, I wouldn't be sad if Chevy was gone.
So, Americans can't live in Canada? Can't find Winnipeg a nice place to live? Many Bombers have, Americans, with American wives...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2023, 04:02:22 AM
So, Americans can't live in Canada? Can't find Winnipeg a nice place to live? Many Bombers have, Americans, with American wives...
Of course he could, but maybe he no longer wants to live here. Maybe they want to be closer to there family's who are based in the US.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2023, 04:02:22 AM
So, Americans can't live in Canada? Can't find Winnipeg a nice place to live? Many Bombers have, Americans, with American wives...
You need to stop comparing NHL players to CFL players.
OK, so Florida and Las Vegas make it to the cup final. Both cities have zero state tax rates.
How big a disadvantage does this create against Canadian teams?
Every team is dealing with different tax rates, Can/US, State/Provincial and even sales taxes vary. This uneven playing field is not fair.
Could the league somehow manage to split players paychecks, have the teams pay into a central "payroll fund" and pay contracts out as base pay by the teams (subject to local taxation laws) and TV bonus, signing bonus, league pay, or some other designation for the balance of the contract through a league office based in one of the tax free states (Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming, New Hampshire). Maybe choose a state that has no NHL presence.
Then there will be a small difference between realized income from different teams, but a much more balanced playing field.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 14, 2023, 01:00:00 PM
You need to stop comparing NHL players to CFL players.
Not sure why, both professional athletes playing for teams that they may or may not have any non sports connection to, Canadian, American and International...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2023, 03:17:17 PM
Not sure why, both professional athletes playing for teams that they may or may not have any non sports connection to, Canadian, American and International...
There are so many reasons why they are incomparable aards, to pretend otherwise is silly.
CFL players are on their last available option. They've tried out for the NFL and have been cut or haven't received any opportunities. They're trying to keep the dream alive. There are only Canadian cities as options. They are paid relatively small amounts. Winning means more bonus money. Moving here means saving money in expenses and potentially post-career opportunities.
NHL players are at the peak of their sport. They can choose all over the US and Canada. They are paid substantially more. They have no-trade clauses (Of which Winnipeg appears more than any other city). They can explore many more options (if they are talented enough to be in demand). These young millionaires often choose to live in large cities. People say we need to draft more local talent, but look where all the Manitobans have signed?
Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2023, 03:17:17 PM
Not sure why, both professional athletes playing for teams that they may or may not have any non sports connection to, Canadian, American and International...
This insufferably half-baked routine of yours got old in last year's Jets thread, man. Remember what happened?
You left with your tail between your legs. Don't let history repeat itself with these illogical fallacies, bad faith arguments, and tiresome mental gymnastics.
FWIW, the NHL does have a pretty uneven playing field and Jesse touched on some of the factors. It is what it is, though. The Jets - and many other small market/Canadian franchises, not to mention their fans - simply have to accept that reality.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 14, 2023, 05:36:40 PM
This insufferably half-baked routine of yours got old in last year's Jets thread, man. Remember what happened?
You left with your tail between your legs. Don't let history repeat itself with these illogical fallacies, bad faith arguments, and tiresome mental gymnastics.
FWIW, the NHL does have a pretty uneven playing field and Jesse touched on some of the factors. It is what it is, though. The Jets - and many other small market/Canadian franchises, not to mention their fans - simply have to accept that reality.
So, just give up I guess, because unless one gets lucky in locking down a few guys that overacheive and control some elite draft picks during their RFA years, we have no chance...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 15, 2023, 03:02:31 AM
So, just give up I guess, because unless one gets lucky in locking down a few guys that overacheive and control some elite draft picks during their RFA years, we have no chance...
More emotions. Try shelving those, man.
The Jets have a chance. Just not as high as others. It is what it is.
But it underscores the importance of draft and develop for a franchise such as the Jets. Because every now and then, the stars do align and great seasons can happen. 2017-18 is one example.
Just because the window has closed on the current group doesn't mean another one can't open in short order with a different group. It'll just depend on what management does, especially this off-season.
Feel free to give up. It sounded like you did last year.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 15, 2023, 01:43:17 PM
More emotions. Try shelving those, man.
The Jets have a chance. Just not as high as others. It is what it is.
But it underscores the importance of draft and develop for a franchise such as the Jets. Because every now and then, the stars do align and great seasons can happen. 2017-18 is one example.
Just because the window has closed on the current group doesn't mean another one can't open in short order with a different group. It'll just depend on what management does, especially this off-season.
Feel free to give up. It sounded like you did last year.
Exactly.
We've seen it happen. We hit on our draft picks, we let them develop early. We have team success and then we're able to re-sign our homegrown talent (Scheif, Wheeler, Helle, Connor, Ehlers, Morrissey).
We absolutely wasted the peak of this cycle. But that doesn't mean we can't do it again. The team and organization as a whole just need to accept that it's time to try again and not hold on to something that could have been.
Management is content on them being a playoff fringe team, they will milk it as long as they can.
Quote from: bluengold204 on June 15, 2023, 04:34:35 PM
Management is content on them being a playoff fringe team, they will milk it as long as they can.
What's the alternative?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 15, 2023, 04:50:27 PM
What's the alternative?
Oh, I don't know, maybe some changes in the front office? Give that a shot?
Quote from: theaardvark on June 15, 2023, 04:58:34 PM
Oh, I don't know, maybe some changes in the front office? Give that a shot?
This has been covered already, both recently and previously. What changes? Be specific.
You seem to think Chipman and Cheveldayoff are sabotaging bogeymen who don't care about whether the team actually succeeds on the ice, but that's just presumptuous conjecture on your part - and totally inaccurate. And besides, I asked bluengold204. Not you.
Whoever were to replace the current GM would have to deal with the same factors as Cheveldayoff. A new GM wouldn't just magically erase the challenges in place and make Winnipeg a place where NHL players want to be.
It's no different than what we see with other organizations dealing with the same challenges in their respective - and not dissimilar - markets.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 15, 2023, 04:50:27 PM
What's the alternative?
Having some self-awareness. Recognizing that this core has peaked and move on from it.
This club would still be coached by PM and would re-sign everyone if they could. The only changes that are occurring because players and coaches see that this version of the team is done and are forcing their way out. It's a bad look that reinforces the "no one wants to play in Winnipeg narrative".
Quote from: Jesse on June 15, 2023, 05:19:05 PM
Having some self-awareness. Recognizing that this core has peaked and move on from it.
This club would still be coached by PM and would re-sign everyone if they could. The only changes that are occurring because players and coaches see that this version of the team is done and are forcing their way out. It's a bad look that reinforces the "no one wants to play in Winnipeg narrative".
That doesn't answer the question. On the contrary, those are just assumptions coming from an external viewpoint.
The off-season hasn't even started yet. Does anyone outside of the organization know what's being discussed within it right now? It doesn't seem like it - for obvious reasons.
The team opted to take one last kick at the can with the current group, hired a new HC, had a bit of a bipolar season, and eked into the playoffs only to get bounced by the eventual champions. By all accounts, 2022-23 was mostly a failure on the ice. And now that the dust has settled, so to speak, some major decisions need to be made. However, nothing will happen immediately as there are several moving parts related to how issues get addressed and repaired.
You can't definitively state Maurice would still be here right now. Considering he tendered his resignation roughly a year and a half ago, I highly doubt he would've stuck around had last season gone the way it did. He even stated in his final presser that the writing was on the wall and his time was up.
Players who have expressed not wanting to stay: Dubois, Hellebuyck, Scheifele. And the latter two have only stated they don't want to be part of a rebuild - as is their right as pending UFAs. We see the same thing happen with other teams; it isn't just something that affects this team's capability.
Players not wanting to be in Winnipeg has been an issue since the Thrashers relocated here, anyway. We've seen it pretty much every off-season when free agency begins. This upcoming off-season is no exception; two key 2.0 draft picks could be traded, though.
Also: what would be "wrong" with re-signing players if they were willing to stay? The losses of Hellebuyck and/or Scheifele are going to negatively impact this team. You don't easily recover by trading away your 1G and/or 1C, especially the former in the case of this team.
I would argue it's completely fair to criticize the organization for its collective failures recently, but the accusation of lacking self-awareness or not recognizing that significant changes need to be made seems baseless in the middle of June.
NHL buyout window opens tomorrow. It sounds like the Jets could explore buying out #26: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/winnipeg-jets/news/blake-wheeler-is-jets-top-candidate-as-nhl-buyout-window-opens
Question:
Rebuild. One player was not drafted by the Jets and has asked for a move. PLD80. So, moving him is not in a rebuild, but rather just doing business.
Same with buying out or trading BW26.
A rebuild is moving on from senior drafted players. MS55, CH37... if they stay, how is it a rebuild? The only way it is a rebuild is if they go.
So, by saying they don't want to be part of a rebuild, what are they talking about?
The return for Dubois is pretty solid, IMO.
Just wondering what happens with Vilardi and Kupari who are both RFAs on Saturday.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 29, 2023, 07:35:23 PM
The return for Dubois is pretty solid, IMO.
Just wondering what happens with Vilardi and Kupari who are both RFAs on Saturday.
I think we did well on this trade. We also didn't do to bad in the draft, considering we had the 18th pick.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 29, 2023, 07:58:16 PM
I think we did well on this trade. We also didn't do to bad in the draft, considering we had the 18th pick.
Agreed. Not sure how much more anyone could've expected, to be honest.
Barlow at 18th overall was a great selection. Seems like a well-rounded player with leadership qualities.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 29, 2023, 08:24:50 PM
Agreed. Not sure how much more anyone could've expected, to be honest.
Barlow at 18th overall was a great selection. Seems like a well-rounded player with leadership qualities.
It was looking like we had a chance at Yager until the Penguins stepped up.
Goaltender Milic looked pretty good in the WHL playoffs. We have some decent G prospects in Divincentiis, Milic, Salminen, and Holm.
Also like the Levis and Barlow picks.
So, Dubois and Wheeler are gone... (is there any chance they bring Wheeler back at a much reduced deal if he gets no offers elsewhere?)
CH37 did not get dealt at the draft, while he is much more on an impact player than Dubois, it might be a harder sell, with so many :almost as good" UFA's out there.
MS55, well... now would be the time... maybe if Wheeler signs somewhere, he will get them to pull the trigger...
Chevy has a huge mountain to climb, replacing CH37 will be the key, he has lots of pieces in place, and there will need to be some other moves, I think they may have a few too many contracts on the books, the 3 for 1 on Dubois is +2 contracts, and Wheeler is a -1... someone still has to go...
Gagner, Maenalanen, Rittich, Kuhlman and Namestikov are the other UFA's... Rittich, if not signed must be replaced, and I'd like to see them re-sign Namestikov and Maenalanen...
Why would we want to bring back Wheeler??? If there is a problem in the room and he is part of it, why would you bring him back?
I can see Wheeler back in his home state with the Wild.
I don't think Chevy gives either Helli or MS55 away. He needs to get a top 6 C.
I think the plan is still to try and re-sign Helle and Scheif.
Quote from: Jesse on June 30, 2023, 05:09:43 PM
I think the plan is still to try and re-sign Helle and Scheif.
I would be happy with that.
Quote from: Jesse on June 30, 2023, 05:09:43 PM
I think the plan is still to try and re-sign Helle and Scheif.
Helle has asked out, will not re-sign.
MS55, if the right ffer comes along, otherwise, trade deadline fodder.
Wheeler excepct to go to an East Coast destination... I'm guessing re-uniting with Pomo
https://www.nhl.com/news/blake-wheeler-contract-status/c-345142910
Apparently the Jets have bought out Wheeler's contract.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 30, 2023, 07:34:45 PM
Helle has asked out, will not re-sign.
MS55, if the right ffer comes along, otherwise, trade deadline fodder.
Wheeler excepct to go to an East Coast destination... I'm guessing re-uniting with Pomo
Helle's also asked for 9 million - which teams are apparently not going to trade for.
We'll see what shakes out in FA, but if teams can't afford to add pieces now, they certainly wont after FA spending. The Jets do not want to move on from either player, so I think they're going to try and win and convivce the two players to stay and help them keep winning (same plan they had for PLD - which obvs didn't work out - different motivations though).
Jets sign Brossoit for 1 year, $1.75M. Welcome back LB.
VN7 back for 2 more years at $2M per. Like the way Namestnikov plays.
Good signings.
Unless Chevy makes another move we will be hurting at the faceoff dot especially
Stenlund, who was really proficient at the dot is gone and Namestnikov is a terrible 37.6% at faceoffs.
Vilardi, who will sign shortly, is more a winger and didn't even take an average of 2 f'offs a game. Kupari was above average but is 4th line material.
Gustaffson, also a 4th liner was decent, as was Lowry and Scheif., but both are struggling to be at 50%
Mind ya, Dubois was just so so, but not bad in the offensive dot.
Is Perfetti going to be the 2nd line draw expert ??
Divincentiist and Milic are terrific potential starters in goal for the Jets
Think the Barlow pick was excellent. Personally was thinking maybe Wood, but he went earlier and then felt Moore or Barlow
Really confused that Chevy would waste cash on an inexperienced, minor leaguer, in Jeff Viel.
The Undrafted athlete has super, super high PIM time with just so so numbers. Is he to be our Reaves when on the ice ??
Signed for $775K, however he gets the same amount if he is in the minors, according to Cap Friendly
SCRATCHING my head on this one
Why did the Jets buyout Wheeler?? I am assuming Chevy tried trading but got no takers, so then why not just cut him??
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
Why did the Jets buyout Wheeler?? I am assuming Chevy tried trading but got no takers, so then why not just cut him??
That?s what a buy out is. It?s not the CFL, can?t just release a player from his contract. You have to buy it out.
Quote from: Jesse on July 02, 2023, 12:17:59 AM
That?s what a buy out is. It?s not the CFL, can?t just release a player from his contract. You have to buy it out.
OMG
So, the Jets are going to pay Wheeler ten times what the Rangers are paying him... to NOT play for us...
Quote from: theaardvark on July 02, 2023, 04:20:04 AM
So, the Jets are going to pay Wheeler ten times what the Rangers are paying him... to NOT play for us...
The Jets will have to give BW 2/3 of his salary over the next two season. $2.75 per. This move will open up $5.5M in cap space this season. So, at the end of the day we will be paying BW just over 3 times more then the Rangers are paying him this season.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 02, 2023, 04:47:11 AM
The Jets will have to give BW 2/3 of his salary over the next two season. $2.75 per. This move will open up $5.5M in cap space this season. So, at the end of the day we will be paying BW just over 3 times more then the Rangers are paying him this season.
OK, 3.5 times as much this year... who knows how much more next...
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2023, 10:55:31 PM
Why did the Jets buyout Wheeler?? I am assuming Chevy tried trading but got no takers, so then why not just cut him??
LOL :D
Quote from: theaardvark on July 02, 2023, 03:08:04 PM
OK, 3.5 times as much this year... who knows how much more next...
It's a $2.75M cap hit for this season and the next. A substantial difference compared to his AAV.
F Axel Jonsson-Fjallby re-signs for two years: https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-forward-axel-jonsson-fjallby-to-two-year-extension-1.1980477
$775K AAV
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:06 PM
F Axel Jonsson-Fjallby re-signs for two years: https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-forward-axel-jonsson-fjallby-to-two-year-extension-1.1980477
$775K AAV
Absolutely love this guy, great depth player, ready to next man up and give 112%
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:06 PM
F Axel Jonsson-Fjallby re-signs for two years: https://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg-jets-sign-forward-axel-jonsson-fjallby-to-two-year-extension-1.1980477
$775K AAV
I like that as well. Balls the the walls effort level. :)
D Dylan Samberg re-signs for two years: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/jets-sign-dylan-samberg-to-two-year-2-8m-contract/
$1.4M AAV
Took in the Development Camp on Wednesday and Friday. Really enjoyed how the young men were put thru basic to more advanced drills.
The coaches on the ice made it instructional, challenging and seemingly a very positive experience.
On Friday, during 3 on 3 scrimmage, the players responded with a very high tempo and even hustled getting off the ice for changes during the flow.
Many caught my eye at different moments with McGroarty, Barlow, Nehring absolutely consistent in skill, speed and upper body strength.
Also Free Agent Invitees Carson Golder, who has speed to burn, and Davis Burnside with skill and savvy, stood out often as forwards.
Watched the Dmen a lot on Friday, with perhaps Tyrel Bauer, who was with the Moose last year, standing out the most for me.
In skating drills Lambert was truly gifted but in physical action, such as the 3on3, tended to be less surly and kinda normal.
Goalies Milic and DiVincentiis had lot of good instruction with Wade Flaherty and looked decent in movement and rebound control
Quote from: Jockitch on July 09, 2023, 03:03:58 AM
Took in the Development Camp on Wednesday and Friday. Really enjoyed how the young men were put thru basic to more advanced drills.
The coaches on the ice made it instructional, challenging and seemingly a very positive experience.
On Friday, during 3 on 3 scrimmage, the players responded with a very high tempo and even hustled getting off the ice for changes during the flow.
Many caught my eye at different moments with McGroarty, Barlow, Nehring absolutely consistent in skill, speed and upper body strength.
Also Free Agent Invitees Carson Golder, who has speed to burn, and Davis Burnside with skill and savvy, stood out often as forwards.
Watched the Dmen a lot on Friday, with perhaps Tyrel Bauer, who was with the Moose last year, standing out the most for me.
In skating drills Lambert was truly gifted but in physical action, such as the 3on3, tended to be less surly and kinda normal.
Goalies Milic and DiVincentiis had lot of good instruction with Wade Flaherty and looked decent in movement and rebound control
Nice report, Thank you.
Yes, thanks!
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/yost-contract-question-complicates-winnipeg-jets-connor-hellebuyck-trade-1.1982896
Good read on the Hellebuyck trade/contract situation.
Chevy doesn't seem to pull triggers lightly. Hellebuyck might just be the best asset he's ever had on the trading block. Unless the absolute right deal comes along, I can see him waiting for the trade deadline, and if we are sellers, getting a kings ransome from a team that needs a goalie, either due to performance or injury.
If we are not sellers, it might end up Helly becomes an "own rental". And IF we can have playoff success, maybe he has an attitude change about staying.
The more tenders that sign sub $8 million deals, the more his price should come into line. Sorokin at 8 yrs, 8.25 per and 3 yrs younger... Helle might get $10mil from someone, but for 3 or 4 years max... nobody wants to pay the "Price" for long term contracts for older goalies... if he's holding out for a team to offer 8 yrs, $10mil+, its going to be a hard trade to make.
Is Vancouver still paying Luongo?
Scheifele and Bucky are under contract for one more year. It would be nice to trade them before their contracts expire, so they don't leave as free agents.
Are these valid options:
1. Trade them before the season starts
2. Let them start the season, and perhaps trade them before the 2024 trade deadline
3. If we can't re-sign or trade them, let them become free agents after the season ends
We have some promising forwards (e.g. McGroarty, Lambert, Lucius, Barlow) and goaltenders (e.g. Milic, DiVincentiis) in the system.
If they leave as free agents, we would gain some salary cap space, so couldn't we just sign a couple of free agents to replace them ?
Sorry if I'm missing something, but would like to know if these are valid options. Thanks.
You listed pretty much every possible option, all of which have pros and cons to them.
The only option not listed would be re-signing either or both, but that'll depend on several factors.
I have no idea how things play out for either player. I'd rather not see two talented pieces get moved or lost to free agency, to be honest.
If the team gets off to a hellacious start, there is an outside chance of re-signing them. In my personal opinion, both will want to dip their toe into FA, with the cap going up, and depending on what the FA pool looks like, they are going to be going after their final kick at the can to get 6+ years at a top salary.
If we are a seller at the deadline, Chevy trades both for a great haul.
If we are a solid playoff contender, they become "own rentals" and maybe we get a small return from a team after the season and before FA starts to give them first opportunity to sign them.
We don't need the cap space this year, and gaining $12 mil next year, plus the cap rise, sure, we can sign a top FA, or a couple mid levels. No way we replace their talent with $12 mil, but hopefully they will have been replaced through development.
As it stands now, both Scheif, our top offensive Center and HellB, cause he is soooooooo very good, are keys for the season.
If we are sellers at the trade deadline, believe under normal conditions, Scheif would garner the most attention.
If the abnormal occurs at the Trade deadline, top contender loses their star goalie, then yes, HellB would get Chevy a big haul.
If we run with both the complete season then I don't doubt both step into Free Agency to test the waters.
That invariably would make it harder to get a big payback prior to the July 1st opening date.
CLC goes cashless.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 12, 2023, 06:34:57 PM
CLC goes cashless.
I thought that had been the case for a while now. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone pay with cash at a Jets game.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 13, 2023, 02:34:51 PM
I thought that had been the case for a while now. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone pay with cash at a Jets game.
Same, I thought this was implement during COVID.
Apparently not.
Jets re-sign F Morgan Barron to two-year deal: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/winnipeg-jets-sign-forward-morgan-barron-to-two-year-extension-1.1985073
$1.35M AAV.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 17, 2023, 05:22:24 PM
Jets re-sign F Morgan Barron to two-year deal: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/winnipeg-jets-sign-forward-morgan-barron-to-two-year-extension-1.1985073
$1.35M AAV.
Good signing, good value. Brings a lot of work ethic to the club, hustles and hits.
Really like Baron, good 3rd, 4th line player.
Vilardi, a two year bridge deal at $3.4M
Really a terrific AAV. Well done Chevy
Now we need Kupari inked, as he had terrific faceoff % with Kings
That's a great contract and very team-friendly.
+1 on Kupari but I expect that'll happen in short order.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 19, 2023, 09:10:27 PM
Vilardi, a two year bridge deal at $3.4M
Perfect deal.
https://www.nhl.com/news/winnipeg-jets-roster-changes-for-2023-24-season/c-345426954
Really liking that projected forward roster.
Nothing against Namestnikov but can't see him contributing much offensively as the second line center
To me, the placing of our Top6 forwards and the balance will be critical, if all things remained healthy coming out of TC.
Should be able to roll four lines consistently with this projected forward lineup. The third line looks pretty formidable.
The second line is probably the "weakest" but maybe this could be a breakout season for Perfetti.
The blue line doesn't really impress.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 01, 2023, 01:22:13 PM
Should be able to roll four lines consistently with this projected forward lineup. The third line looks pretty formidable.
The second line is probably the "weakest" but maybe this could be a breakout season for Perfetti.
The blue line doesn't really impress.
The key to CPs season is staying healthy. The kid has all the tools.
Quote from: Jockitch on July 31, 2023, 11:16:26 PM
Nothing against Namestnikov but can't see him contributing much offensively as the second line center
To me, the placing of our Top6 forwards and the balance will be critical, if all things remained healthy coming out of TC.
I see the second line flipping Namestikov and Perfetti... it becomes a lot more offensive that way...
The Jets promo schedule doesn't seem to include a Ukrainian heritage night.
However, we have the largest Ukrainian population of any Canadian city.
City Population Ukrainian Population Percentage of Ukrainians
(out of total population) Percentage of all Canadian Ukrainians
Winnipeg 705,244 99,365 14.4% 7.3%
Edmonton 932,546 98,820 10.8% 7.3%
Would a Ukrainian night be popular ?
Jeff Petry: Petry's cap hit could be $2.3M this season and next if Montreal retains some of his salary, should the Jets look at him for there PP?
Quote from: Pigskin on August 07, 2023, 09:59:28 PM
Jeff Petry: Petry's cap hit could be $2.3M this season and next if Montreal retains some of his salary, should the Jets look at him for there PP?
Are the Habs looking to move him?
Quote from: Pigskin on August 07, 2023, 09:59:28 PM
Jeff Petry: Petry's cap hit could be $2.3M this season and next if Montreal retains some of his salary, should the Jets look at him for there PP?
He has a 15 team no trad clause... just sayin
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 08, 2023, 02:43:53 PM
Are the Habs looking to move him?
Yes, and it sounds like Montreal would cover 50% of his salary. Like to have that cannon on our PP.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 08, 2023, 04:06:07 PM
Yes, and it sounds like Montreal would cover 50% of his salary. Like to have that cannon on our PP.
I've come across no such information. Have a link?
Quote from: Pigskin on August 08, 2023, 04:06:07 PM
Yes, and it sounds like Montreal would cover 50% of his salary. Like to have that cannon on our PP.
Pittsburg is covering half his salary for Montreal...
Quote from: theaardvark on August 08, 2023, 04:58:34 PM
Pittsburg is covering half his salary for Montreal...
The Penguins retained 25% of his $6.25M cap hit, so it's a $4.69M cap hit for the Habs. (https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jeff-petry)
All that said, I don't see him coming here via trade.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 08, 2023, 04:13:53 PM
I've come across no such information. Have a link?
UPDATE: The #RedWings today acquired defenseman Jeff Petry from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for Gustav Lindstrom and a conditional 4th round pick in 2025.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 15, 2023, 06:03:12 PM
UPDATE: The #RedWings today acquired defenseman Jeff Petry from the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for Gustav Lindstrom and a conditional 4th round pick in 2025.
The Red Wings being an Eastern Conference team likely meant they weren't on his no trade list. Quite an underwhelming return considering the Habs retained 50% of his salary, IMO.
Not surprised. This is what was report since he returned to Montreal. If he can get his game back on track, it's a great deal for the Red Wings. Good piece for Red Wings PP.