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Title: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Austin85 on June 26, 2022, 05:24:15 AM
Bombers better be prepared for this team, they are much improved.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: ModAdmin on June 26, 2022, 05:48:42 AM
Tonight the Argos defense could not cover the Lions receivers.  Too often Lions receivers were wide open and Argos coverage was loose.  Certainly O'Rourke looked good but the Argo defence was burned time after time.  Won't be as easy with the Bombers but I agree the Bombers will have to step up to the challenge.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on June 26, 2022, 07:28:37 AM
The Lions beat the Argos easily even without Burnham and Butler.  There were a number of other Lions that are getting banged up but overall, it looks like ORourke is willing to gamble big to get the big yards.  If we can rattle him early on and rush him into making some bad throws, then intercept some of his passes, we could possibly come out on top.  The Argos did look like a very tired team.  Who set the schedule so that the Argos have to start a game at 7 pm Western time?  This is 10 pm Eastern time and no doubt many players are already sleepy at the start time.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: Jockitch on June 26, 2022, 11:29:56 AM
This Qb., for the Lions, Rourke seems certainly the real deal. Quite a decent arm, good feet, mobility and seemingly a terrific IQ for read and react.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: M.O.A.B. on June 26, 2022, 11:32:58 AM
He is a very good QB and has quick release. Although he went up against 2 bad defenses.

But surely he will be a tough match-up for the Bombers D in next next week.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: prairiegirl on June 26, 2022, 12:42:47 PM
I think we are in big trouble against BC and mainly because of the schedule. Play in Toronto Monday and then BC Saturday. Lots of travelling, little time for practice and if Toronto hits like they did in the first half we may have some really bad banged up players


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: dd on June 26, 2022, 12:45:47 PM
It?s going to be very tough to beat the Lions. Our secondary is going to have their hands full with Rourke and their receiving corps, and Butler is going to run rampant on our front 7.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on June 26, 2022, 01:32:21 PM
He is a very good QB and has quick release. Although he went up against 2 bad defenses.

But surely he will be a tough match-up for the Bombers D in next next week.

Argo's have a very good defense, the problem is they went up against the best offense in the CFL right now.  Even when they pressured Rourke, he shook it off, took the hit, or he took off with his feet.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: TBURGESS on June 26, 2022, 02:16:33 PM
The Lions look scary good, but we won't know how good until they play a top tier team.

Edmonton hung with Regina and Calgary after getting blown out by BC. Toronto beat Montreal who beat Regina.

The offence is the best in the league by a huge margin & defence has only allowed 18 points in two games.

Toronto tried to bully them. Hardest hitting game this year. Didn't work. BC lost Burn-em and Butler and still scored 24 points in the second half. They lost Lokombo on defence and still shut Toronto out in the second half.

It'll be interesting to see how they play on the road on a short week, but based on the first two games they're 1 or 1A in the league.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: The Zipp on June 26, 2022, 02:17:23 PM
Lions have improved their o-line and surrounded Rourke with some decent weapons.  They have designed a playbook that gets the ball out quickly and the guy has a great arm and is playing very confident       .  He is going to have some tough games but it looks like his team and him are making the game "easier" for him. 


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: Horseman on June 26, 2022, 02:37:05 PM
Rourke throws a very nice ball with a tight spiral, I watched the entire game and he did not throw one lame duck pass. All of his passes were crisp and on a rope to the receivers even in tight coverage. Rourke set a record for most passing yards by a Canadian QB in last nights game, 436 yards, beating Gerry Dattilio's old record.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: The Zipp on June 26, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
Rourke throws a very nice ball with a tight spiral, I watched the entire game and he did not throw one lame duck pass. All of his passes were crisp and on a rope to the receivers even in tight coverage. Rourke set a record for most passing yards by a Canadian QB in last nights game, 436 yards, beating Gerry Dattilio's old record.

Young man's game and this kid can throw it.  He will get NFL looks if this continues. 


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on June 26, 2022, 03:05:01 PM
Young man's game and this kid can throw it.  He will get NFL looks if this continues. 
I'm curious about what they're paying him at the moment?   They signed a lot of good players and I'm thinking his salary perhaps allowed them some flexibility with cap space?   At this point of the season he's the talk of the CFL despite a few teams who remain undefeated which includes only us and the Stamps.
Having said that it's a looong season....


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2022, 03:10:08 PM
I'm curious about what they're paying him at the moment?   They signed a lot of good players and I'm thinking his salary perhaps allowed them some flexibility with cap space?   At this point of the season he's the talk of the CFL despite a few teams who remain undefeated which includes only us and the Stamps.
Having said that it's a looong season....

He's still on his ELC contract so he's not making much. There are probably some # 2 QB's in the league making more at the moment. Whether the Lions have cap space to give him a better deal I don't know.

His salary did allow the Lions to spend SMS elsewhere. Essentially the opposite of when they signed Reilly and couldn't sign good players around him.
People thinking he'll get a look from an NFL team is premature. It's a small sample and their are a bunch of ranked QB's in the NFL draft each year.

Rourke was drafted in 2020 so he could be on the last year of his current deal. I'm not aware of any extension or re-negotiation yet? Something for the Lions to contemplate soon.


Title: Nathan Rourke
Post by: bomb squad on June 26, 2022, 03:21:58 PM
Wow. I'm fired up about this guy. How can you not be if your a Canadian sports fan! Very impressive so far and very exciting. This could be a huge opportunity for the BC Lions and the league to catch lightning in a bottle. The next game will be the big test. If he plays the close to the same way on the road in Ottawa, look out. If that doesn't get the turnstiles spinning again in Vancouver, nothing will.


Title: Re: Nathan Rourke
Post by: Blue In BC on June 26, 2022, 03:35:03 PM
No kidding. I'm optimistic that he'll continue to do well at least in the short term. He has all the tools. At the very least he's been extremely entertaining and Lions fans are starting to come out more than in recent seasons. That's good news for Vancouver and the CFL.

Vancouver needs to have success in order for the CFL to do well and build on recent seasons.

If they win in Ottawa maybe we see 40K at home against the Bombers.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2022, 04:02:59 PM
Tonight the Argos defense could not cover the Lions receivers.  Too often Lions receivers were wide open and Argos coverage was loose.  Certainly O'Rourke looked good but the Argo defence was burned time after time.  Won't be as easy with the Bombers but I agree the Bombers will have to step up to the challenge.

Bombers get 3 shots at BC this season, if the Lions want to claim the top rung, they will have to defeat the best team.


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: bluebeard on June 26, 2022, 04:16:30 PM
mmmmm...I'm eating crow now.  Never thought that BC would be as good as they are.  Will it make a difference playing on the road and in the elements??  No dome and perfect conditions.  We have to handle them and put Rourke on his back side a few times.  He has had it way to easy.  BC goes to Ottawa next I believe.  Should be a better test for them and will show us if they are for real.


Title: Re: Nathan Rourke
Post by: Pigskin on June 26, 2022, 04:49:46 PM
I can't believe people didn't see the talent this kid had last year.


Title: Re: Nathan Rourke
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2022, 05:50:46 PM
I can't believe people didn't see the talent this kid had last year.

A couple of good late season games last year don't mean much, he's opening eyes this year by continuing to do very well.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: the paw on June 26, 2022, 07:27:31 PM
It?s not just that Rourke is playing great (which he is), but he rejigs their whole ratio.  His National status allows them to start 3 imports on the OL, which fixes their biggest problem from last year.

The fact that they have 2 studs at LB and went out and acquired Canadian assets at DE, means they play 3 on defence, which really lets them load up on offence.

That receiving corps is scary.  Cottoy is a beast, and the other 4 are all threats as well.  Speed, size, hands, jump balls, the can do it all.  Their RB went down, but they have 2 more on the PR, and it turns out Their fullback is a Mackie truck.  Who knew?

BC always has good DBs, and the LBs are very good.  If their defensive line has found their mojo, this team has all the elements to compete for first. 


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: dd on June 26, 2022, 07:32:02 PM
He is the real deal and so are the Lions. I have them at #1 in the league. Showdown coming up with us soon to see who?s who in the zoo


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2022, 01:28:15 AM
He is the real deal and so are the Lions. I have them at #1 in the league. Showdown coming up with us soon to see who?s who in the zoo

It won't hurt the Bombers to lose an early season game to the Lions to get them riled up for a rematch, better than losing a late season game anyway. Week #19 will be the test, by week #21 they may both be resting players for the playoffs.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Stats Junkie on June 27, 2022, 03:05:54 AM
Rourke is the real deal. I had a feeling he would do well but not this well. It is still early in the season.

There have been a number of busted coverages that he has taken advantage of.

On the Cottoy TD, Rourke did a pump with Cottoy at the 20 and hit him at the 1 for the TD. Cottoy was the only player outside the hashmarks when Rourke did the pump. Most QBs would have made the throw at that point and let Cottoy run it in.

On the post game show they talked about Rourke's contract which allows the Lions to surround him with talent. $85k was number thrown out.

Mackie got a lot of attention on the post game show as well. He mentioned the support he got from teammates who told the OC not to change the offence too much for Mackie.

There seems to be a good culture in BC this year, very similar to Winnipeg. Personal stats are fine, but all that really matters is the win each week.


Title: Re: Nathan Rourke
Post by: ModAdmin on June 27, 2022, 03:24:45 AM
No kidding. I'm optimistic that he'll continue to do well at least in the short term. He has all the tools. At the very least he's been extremely entertaining and Lions fans are starting to come out more than in recent seasons. That's good news for Vancouver and the CFL.

Vancouver needs to have success in order for the CFL to do well and build on recent seasons.

If they win in Ottawa maybe we see 40K at home against the Bombers.

The rout against Edmonton gave Lions fans enough to stimulate increased interest.  34,082 attended that game.  BC looked unbeatable. The fans were entertained.

Next game against the Argos drew a measly 14,006.  Guess Lions fans are not yet convinced/entertained enough although it's hard to fathom.  Hopefully the next few home games for the Lions will see the renewed interest.


Title: Re: Nathan Rourke
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 27, 2022, 03:47:23 AM
The rout against Edmonton gave Lions fans enough to stimulate increased interest.  34,082 attended that game.  BC looked unbeatable. The fans were entertained.

Next game against the Argos drew a measly 14,006.  Guess Lions fans are not yet convinced/entertained enough although it's hard to fathom.  Hopefully the next few home games for the Lions will see the renewed interest.
wow 14,000 guess gotta bring in Neil Young now!


Title: Re: Nathan Rourke
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 27, 2022, 05:14:53 AM
I can't believe people didn't see the talent this kid had last year.

He underwhelmed a couple of times.  And once teams got some film they started eating him alive.

However, he has a great zippy throwing style and he doesn't pause for beans once he makes his decision.  Real hard to defend against that.  He leads the receiver well and/or hits him dead on, and even though he has heat on every ball his style seems eminently catchable... not a single receiver whiffed on those heaters.  It actually was quite astounding.

Now teams have 2 full games of film on him.  Can they crack the nut?  The youngsters often look unbeatable until the teams adjust to the film.

At this moment Rourke looks better than Fajardo did on his first 2 real starts.  I still doubt Cody can be a top QB.  Could Rourke be a future superstar??  I wouldn't bet against it.

But let's see how some real, competent, West teams fare against Rourke & Lions first.  We'll see if he's the real deal or if he turns into an INT machine and starts looking worse than Cody.

Personally, I hope he does well.  Fun to watch.  Good story.  Good for the league.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Tiger on June 27, 2022, 11:25:02 AM
Rourke did a lot of small things well and was very intelligent/efficient with his actions.  That said no one has rattled and pressured him.  Even if you now have film it is hard to game plan good decision making.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 27, 2022, 12:33:08 PM
The rout against Edmonton gave Lions fans enough to stimulate increased interest.  34,082 attended that game.  BC looked unbeatable. The fans were entertained.

Next game against the Argos drew a measly 14,006.  Guess Lions fans are not yet convinced/entertained enough although it's hard to fathom.  Hopefully the next few home games for the Lions will see the renewed interest.

The crowd did look very small against the Argos. Part of that is the Argos are not a great draw. The other thing is that good weather finally arrived and fans were anxious to enjoy other things.

We'll see whether the dominating result of that game and the away game increase the interest. Bombers should be a great draw for a crowd.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on June 27, 2022, 01:15:23 PM
Rourke did a lot of small things well and was very intelligent/efficient with his actions.  That said no one has rattled and pressured him.  Even if you now have film it is hard to game plan good decision making.

Toronto did try to rattle and pressure him.  The problem is he can can take off and run, throw to his check down or take the hit.  They talked about Rourke's opinion on taking hits.  He views it as relax your muscles, take the hit and you won't get injured.  Same thing applies to studies done on car crashes.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 27, 2022, 01:47:44 PM
It has only been two games so it is a small sample size, but so far so good for him.

I have a couple things I want to see from him;

-How is he in weather, can he make the beautiful throws outside a dome with wind, rain snow etc.
-How does he handle adversity, let's be honest so far he has not had any adversity it's been rainbows and lollipops. Adversity hits all QB's eventually

As mentioned teams have two games of film now, but he looked good in week one and better in week two, I am really excited to see how he looks against Ott nest week.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2022, 02:03:21 PM
I now wonder if Mike Reilly recognized the talent Rourke possessed last season and saw the writing on the wall regarding his own future.  It's too bad, Reilly could still do well if he signed with the right team, but his contract expectations would probably need to take a major hit. 


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on June 27, 2022, 02:50:31 PM
It has only been two games so it is a small sample size, but so far so good for him.

I have a couple things I want to see from him;

-How is he in weather, can he make the beautiful throws outside a dome with wind, rain snow etc.
-How does he handle adversity, let's be honest so far he has not had any adversity it's been rainbows and lollipops. Adversity hits all QB's eventually

As mentioned teams have two games of film now, but he looked good in week one and better in week two, I am really excited to see how he looks against Ott nest week.


We saw how he handled adversity last year.  First game of the season, he suppose to start, then come game time Reilly was starting, then Rourke, then Reilly again, then Rourke.  He had a bad first quarter, then in the second quarter he came out threw a long bomb to Whitehead.   Even the panel had thought that Reilly should have been playing these mental games.  Come second half the Lions march back and almost beat the Riders, while Rourke threw another TD in the process.

The kid is cool as a cucumber.  Even in college when he lost his starting job for a couple of games, he didn't let it get him down, he worked hard and took it back.

His accuracy is better than alot of the starting QBs in this league.  He has greater mobility than everyother starter.  He's not afraid to take a hit.  He was left in on short yardage.  Last offseason, he worked with a Kinesiologist to help him throw the ball harder.  You see it in his throws this year, zipping it into tight windows.

It's not just him.  Their current Oline is run blocking, like the Bombers Oline of last year.  People can blame Olivera and Augustine all they want, but the Oline isn't getting the job done.

I fee bad for Bombers defense, the Lions are going to carve them up.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 27, 2022, 03:02:25 PM
Interesting start to the year for BC. Rourke looks great as do the rest of the Lions but I think I want to see a little bit more. He beat a confused Edmonton team in their first game and then took advantage of a pretty questionable effort by Toronto. Full credit to the Lions, they look a lot better than next year, but we'll have to see what's what when they get in a close game.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: gordo on June 27, 2022, 03:18:15 PM

I fee bad for Bombers defense, the Lions are going to carve them up.

I don't think so.  After a slow couple of games with key pieces missing (Jeffcoat and Rose who shouldn't have been playing) the Bombers defence rounded into form against Hamilton especially in the second half.

Rourke feasted on a couple of bad defensive teams and so far hasn't faced a defence like the Bombers will present.  Especially the pressure that Jefferson and Jeffcoat will unleash. 

But for sure will be an interesting match up and a test for both sides.  My money is on the Bombers bringing the kid back to earth.
 


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on June 27, 2022, 03:30:38 PM
We saw how he handled adversity last year.  First game of the season, he suppose to start, then come game time Reilly was starting, then Rourke, then Reilly again, then Rourke.  He had a bad first quarter, then in the second quarter he came out threw a long bomb to Whitehead.   Even the panel had thought that Reilly should have been playing these mental games.  Come second half the Lions march back and almost beat the Riders, while Rourke threw another TD in the process.

The kid is cool as a cucumber.  Even in college when he lost his starting job for a couple of games, he didn't let it get him down, he worked hard and took it back.

His accuracy is better than alot of the starting QBs in this league.  He has greater mobility than everyother starter.  He's not afraid to take a hit.  He was left in on short yardage.  Last offseason, he worked with a Kinesiologist to help him throw the ball harder.  You see it in his throws this year, zipping it into tight windows.

It's not just him.  Their current Oline is run blocking, like the Bombers Oline of last year.  People can blame Olivera and Augustine all they want, but the Oline isn't getting the job done.

I fee bad for Bombers defense, the Lions are going to carve them up.

He looks like he be a very good QB.

Coming in and off the bench without film as he did last year while nice odesn't mean too much as many, many QB;s have done that.
Even more have have faced adversity/succeeded at the college level.
As you mentioned his accuracy and zip look very good, I am very curious to see him play outside a dome.
Don't know his mobilty is the best as you claim but he can move.
I fully agree our o-line is not playing as well as it should be

Hopefully Rourke can keep growing and become a star in the CFL for many years....if nothing else even after only two games (even if he was out the rest of the year) he will get a nice payday next year!


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: theaardvark on June 27, 2022, 03:45:24 PM
Season opener included a concert that was a big draw, and the whole thing was well promoted.  Not sure what happened game two... somehow they dropped the ball in keeping th hype.. I guess a bye week and good weather did not help...


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 27, 2022, 03:49:23 PM
We saw how he handled adversity last year.  First game of the season, he suppose to start, then come game time Reilly was starting, then Rourke, then Reilly again, then Rourke.  He had a bad first quarter, then in the second quarter he came out threw a long bomb to Whitehead.   Even the panel had thought that Reilly should have been playing these mental games.  Come second half the Lions march back and almost beat the Riders, while Rourke threw another TD in the process.



I fee bad for Bombers defense, the Lions are going to carve them up.

I can't see it, the Bomber secondary will contest all passes as long as they're all sharp (c'mon Rose), unlike the Argos who allowed Rourke to play pitch and catch with uncovered receivers.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on June 28, 2022, 01:58:12 AM
I can't see it, the Bomber secondary will contest all passes as long as they're all sharp (c'mon Rose), unlike the Argos who allowed Rourke to play pitch and catch with uncovered receivers.
^this


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: theaardvark on June 28, 2022, 02:56:06 AM
Burnham to the 6 game...


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Top Gun on June 28, 2022, 03:20:27 AM
Lions have the best receivers and rb in the league.... if Rourke continues to play well and coaching does a great job then lions are the team to beat.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 28, 2022, 05:54:57 AM
Lions have the best receivers and rb in the league.... if Rourke continues to play well and coaching does a great job then lions are the team to beat.

Best RB?  Recency bias.  He had great stats for 1.5 games after being so-so every other season.  I expect him to be lucky if he ends  the season in the top 3.  Who's really the best?  Dunno yet.  But not ours!!

Same with the Lions.  2 games against the crappiest teams in the league with a bye in between doesn't mean beans.  I bet they finish top 5, but probably not top 3.  They'll be lucky to make it out of the semi-finals.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Jesse on June 28, 2022, 11:24:08 AM
Best RB?  Recency bias.  He had great stats for 1.5 games after being so-so every other season.  I expect him to be lucky if he ends  the season in the top 3.  Who's really the best?  Dunno yet.  But not ours!!

Same with the Lions.  2 games against the crappiest teams in the league with a bye in between doesn't mean beans.  I bet they finish top 5, but probably not top 3.  They'll be lucky to make it out of the semi-finals.


Definitely recency bias, but also maybe true.

AH isn't the best anymore and Stanback is out.

The field is wide open for someone to grab top spot and Butler has had the best start.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: theaardvark on June 28, 2022, 12:56:15 PM
Burnham out, Butler and Lokombo questionable... coming on 4 days rest against a much improved OTT team coming off a bye.  An Ott team that is very motivated by back to back losses close to us.   

Yes, Rourke orchestrated two dominating wins against very weak teams.  At home.  With a bye in the middle.

Not downplaying his talent, he has shown he can read, and throws a nice ball.  But he is going to face an actual test this week.  We will see. 

I'm not betting he wins...


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Pigskin on June 28, 2022, 12:56:39 PM
Antwi is having a pretty good year so far. Nice replacement for StanbacK.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: GCn19 on June 28, 2022, 03:13:26 PM
Rourke has played outstanding in his first two games. However, I am not ready to anoint him the next great thing. Not yet. We must see how he handles adversity as a starter, it's different as a backup, and right now teams have limited tape on him. I am sure that there will be a deep dive into his tendencies etc. by DCs that will make life tougher for him. Case in point Cody Fajardo, who in 2019 looked outstanding his first 5 games, until a big drop off came when defences figured him out. I suspect that Rourke will have a long and successful career, I also expect his performances to go up and down this season as he matures.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: the.inkster on June 29, 2022, 03:51:51 PM
It?s not just that Rourke is playing great (which he is), but he rejigs their whole ratio.  His National status allows them to start 3 imports on the OL, which fixes their biggest problem from last year.

The fact that they have 2 studs at LB and went out and acquired Canadian assets at DE, means they play 3 on defence, which really lets them load up on offence.

That receiving corps is scary.  Cottoy is a beast, and the other 4 are all threats as well.  Speed, size, hands, jump balls, the can do it all.  Their RB went down, but they have 2 more on the PR, and it turns out Their fullback is a Mackie truck.  Who knew?

BC always has good DBs, and the LBs are very good.  If their defensive line has found their mojo, this team has all the elements to compete for first. 

Coming in late to the conversation here.
Did something in the rules change regarding QBs at the ratio? It was my understanding that Canadian QBs don't actually count as a national.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 29, 2022, 04:10:41 PM
Coming in late to the conversation here.
Did something in the rules change regarding QBs at the ratio? It was my understanding that Canadian QBs don't actually count as a national.

They count against the ratio if they are the starter. Otherwise still designated as QB's overall. You could have 3 Canadian QB's but that doesn't lower the roster minimum requirement for other Canadian players.

So a team starting a Canadian QB is a little like being able to starter a ratio breaking player like a RB for example. While that's true we're seeing some top Canadians in positions we weren't seeing a decade ago. More LB's and DB's starting. More Canadian RB's getting bigger roles etc etc.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: the.inkster on June 29, 2022, 04:34:36 PM
They count against the ratio if they are the starter. Otherwise still designated as QB's overall. You could have 3 Canadian QB's but that doesn't lower the roster minimum requirement for other Canadian players.

So a team starting a Canadian QB is a little like being able to starter a ratio breaking player like a RB for example. While that's true we're seeing some top Canadians in positions we weren't seeing a decade ago. More LB's and DB's starting. More Canadian RB's getting bigger roles etc etc.

Ah, thanks for the clarification


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: GCn19 on June 29, 2022, 04:37:30 PM
They count against the ratio if they are the starter. Otherwise still designated as QB's overall. You could have 3 Canadian QB's but that doesn't lower the roster minimum requirement for other Canadian players.

So a team starting a Canadian QB is a little like being able to starter a ratio breaking player like a RB for example. While that's true we're seeing some top Canadians in positions we weren't seeing a decade ago. More LB's and DB's starting. More Canadian RB's getting bigger roles etc etc.

Not sure that is correct. When Brandon Bridge started for the Riders they were not able to reduce their NAT starter component because he was a NAT. Maybe the rules have changed since then, but I know for sure that at that time there was much discussion about how a NAT QB starting should be a ratio buster but isn't. To my knowledge, the rule was that you designate 2 roster players as QB and nationality doesn't matter, and then you must make up the 20 rostered NATs and 7 starters from the remaining of the roster.  I will freely admit that I am just going off memory here and a few articles that I googled surrounding Brandon Bridge not being counted as one of the 7 NAT starters. Maybe things changed or I am just plain wrong though. Never did a deep dive into it.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: TBURGESS on June 29, 2022, 04:40:06 PM
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A National quarterback will be considered one of a Club?s starting National Players as long as he remains on the field at the quarterback position.
- From the CFLPA collective agreement 2019. (I can't find the latest one, but I'm assuming it's the same.)


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: GCn19 on June 29, 2022, 04:44:48 PM
- From the CFLPA collective agreement 2019. (I can't find the latest one, but I'm assuming it's the same.)

Thanks TB. Guess that's what I get for reading ancient articles about Brandon Bridge. Oddly enough the BC depth chart still shows 7 starting NATs besides Rourke so they could have gone 3 IMP OL either way. No doubt that Rourke being a NAT gives them a ton of flex to their starting NATs though.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 29, 2022, 06:43:34 PM
The Lions also have O'Connor listed as their # 2 QB which maintains that ratio idea if there is an in game injury. Whether he'd go into the game or Pipkin is not guaranteed and the game situation might decide who goes in.

All that said whether a QB or another position Canadian is a starter is just an interesting conversation. It's just that a QB happens so less often but a few are making CFL rosters these days. We might see somebody like Ford get a chance to show his stuff too.

Good to see any young QB doing well. Being Canadian is a bonus.

EDIT: I see the Bombers that were the only team to not have a chance drafting Rourke due to not having a 1st round pick in 2020. Rourke was picked before their 1st pick. That pick was away trading for Collaros. That got us 2 Grey Cup victories. Can't complain about that. lol


Title: Re: BC Lions
Post by: Point of attack on June 29, 2022, 11:15:21 PM
This Qb., for the Lions, Rourke seems certainly the real deal. Quite a decent arm, good feet, mobility and seemingly a terrific IQ for read and react.

Ask yourself how often a rookie QB at almost any level, can show the kind of confidence and most importantly the poise shown by Rourke. With his IQ and athleticism, it would be pretty surprising if this guy isn?t already a star in this league . Yes you have to acknowledge he?s played against pretty mediocre D but this guy just checks so many boxes.
 He?s great for the league for sure.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 30, 2022, 12:15:20 AM
Ask yourself how often a rookie QB at almost any level, can show the kind of confidence and most importantly the poise shown by Rourke. With his IQ and athleticism, it would be pretty surprising if this guy isn?t already a star in this league . Yes you have to acknowledge he?s played against pretty mediocre D but this guy just checks so many boxes.
 He?s great for the league for sure.

QB's like Arbuckle and Evans played extremely well against good teams when the starter was injured. Now not so much.

Let's not nominate him for the hall of fame yet. He's going to face better defences and will need to show poise under pressure from players like Jeffcoat and Jefferson. Secondary's that will contest passes and not leave receivers open by 5+ yards like the Argos did.

A good start for Rourke to build on.

I'm not disputing Rourke played very well and showed high football IQ.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 30, 2022, 12:38:04 AM
Rourke has had a really easy time of it. A couple home games against bad teams that had an even worse effort on the night they played. I would hold off before making too many assumptions just yet.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: dd on June 30, 2022, 01:59:55 AM
No one is nominating him or anointing him for anything. The kid has gotten off to a tremendous start and let?s leave it st that. Why are people so negative and always have to bring up the ya buts??? Will he have ups and downs?? For sure. Get pressure from better defenses, absolutely. Has he had the best start of ANY Qb in the league. Yes. Good for him. And He?s Canadian, better yet.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 30, 2022, 12:05:07 PM
No one is nominating him or anointing him for anything. The kid has gotten off to a tremendous start and let?s leave it st that. Why are people so negative and always have to bring up the ya buts??? Will he have ups and downs?? For sure. Get pressure from better defenses, absolutely. Has he had the best start of ANY Qb in the league. Yes. Good for him. And He?s Canadian, better yet.

I don't think people or me are being negative. We're just pointing out the opposite where people get carried away in any players early success. Already talk about getting an NFL opportunity for example.

There is an interesting conversation about Rourke and the NFL. It speaks on rookie ELC contracts and how the NFL compares CFL QB's against American draft prospects.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2022, 02:25:13 PM
Rourke is not a Rookie, he was with the team last year, and got reps...

Yes, he is young, green and has had a surprisingly good debut at undisputed starter against some admittedly weak teams at home.  Will this continue once he hits the road against better teams?   Even after this week, he will have faced teams with a total of 1 win in 8 games (that one win was Tor eeking out a 1 point win on a missed FG by MTL).

These teams were not a test for a team at home.

Facing Ottawa in OTT will be a bit of a test, but still a Ofer team.

Next week comes his real test.  At home, 10 days rest against the undefeated defending 2 time GC champs coming off 5 days rest.  So, everything that could be in his favour in facing a real opponent is there, this is his best chance to prove something.  Not saying there are excuses if the Bombers lose this one, but this schedule is screwed...  TOR on the 4th, BC on the 9th?  Short turnaround, on the road both ends of the country?   Wondering if Osh keeps them in TOR and flies direct to BC, or flies to BC after the TOR game and practices out there (guessing option 2)

Not sure if Rourke signed a 2 or 3 year ELC, but I'm sure there is either a mid-season "Wilder" renegotiation and even then, he has the NFL window should any of 32 teams come knocking...


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on June 30, 2022, 02:28:06 PM
In all my years of being a CFL fan I've never seen any rookie QB make a splash like Rourke....period!    Kind of similar to Cale Makar with the Avalanche who won the Norris trophy at 23 and the MVP of the SC finals.    Yes it's only two games....and yes he played against the Elks and the Argos yet the fact remains his stats are off the charts.   Somehow I don't think it's a fluke or he just played very bad teams.....we play him 3 times this season so we will see how he evolves.   If he continues to improve BC will definitely be a contender with that arsenal of offensive weapons they have.    It's refreshing to see Canadian talent at this position.   Right now he's left off where he finished last season and he's on pace this year for perhaps a record breaking season.   This is just what the CFL needs especially in BC where attendance has been very poor.   I'm excited for him and the league.    
Having said that we all know it's a loooong season and much can happen....however if any team wins the Cup other than my beloved Bombers, I hope it's BC!


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2022, 02:35:49 PM
Not a Rookie, but this is his first year as starter.

Mitchell came in the same way... Maier looked like a vet starter when pressed into duty when Mitchell couldn't start... just to name a couple actual rookies in their debuts  Again, not sure these discussions happen if BC face WPG or SSK, or HAM on the road game one...  getting served up the EDM Dysfunctions off the hop, and then the MBT meltdown crew was pretty fortunate scheduling.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on June 30, 2022, 02:48:51 PM
I don't think people or me are being negative. We're just pointing out the opposite where people get carried away in any players early success. Already talk about getting an NFL opportunity for example.

There is an interesting conversation about Rourke and the NFL. It speaks on rookie ELC contracts and how the NFL compares CFL QB's against American draft prospects.

No one is getting carried away.  The Argos have a very good defense and Rourke made them look like a highschool team.  Chris Jones is a defensive genius and yet he couldn't figure Rourke out.

People are excited about Rourke, because he has decent size, mobility, can read a defense, doesn't lock onto his first read and can take a hit and shake it off.  He even worked on learning to throw the ball on him in the offseason.

I had to remind Rider's fans that he did put up almost 200 years and two TDs against them in his first game and he only really played two quarters,because him and Reilly were splitting time.

The kid oozes confidence and his teamates are feeding off of it.  As a starting QB in any league, you keep your foot on the gas.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: blue_or_die on June 30, 2022, 03:07:27 PM
No one is getting carried away.  The Argos have a very good defense and Rourke made them look like a highschool team.  Chris Jones is a defensive genius and yet he couldn't figure Rourke out.

People are excited about Rourke, because he has decent size, mobility, can read a defense, doesn't lock onto his first read and can take a hit and shake it off.  He even worked on learning to throw the ball on him in the offseason.

I had to remind Rider's fans that he did put up almost 200 years and two TDs against them in his first game and he only really played two quarters,because him and Reilly were splitting time.

The kid oozes confidence and his teamates are feeding off of it.  As a starting QB in any league, you keep your foot on the gas.

I'm going to need to see more of the Argos D this year and Chris Jones' decision-making this year before I'd draw either of those conclusions.

Everything you said is true but it remains to be seen if they're true consistently. It's fair to want to see more games before getting carried away.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 30, 2022, 05:30:20 PM
Elks are saying Tre Ford is starting at QB. Looking forward to seeing how he does. Highly regarded coming out of college.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2022, 06:29:13 PM
Elks are saying Tre Ford is starting at QB. Looking forward to seeing how he does. Highly regarded coming out of college.

They also put Nelson as starting at FS last game.  He was in for maybe 3-4 plays before that changed... Jones has a very fluid idea of "starter"


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 30, 2022, 06:51:14 PM
Elks are saying Tre Ford is starting at QB. Looking forward to seeing how he does. Highly regarded coming out of college.

I don't know why Jones would do this, maybe it's just a gesture to Canada Day and he will quickly pull Ford from the game.  The Elks at least have a slight chance of beating Hamilton with Arbuckle, throwing a rookie QB in his first game to the Ti-Cat D, they stand no chance.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 30, 2022, 07:31:50 PM
I don't know why Jones would do this, maybe it's just a gesture to Canada Day and he will quickly pull Ford from the game.  The Elks at least have a chance of beating Hamilton with Arbuckle starting, throwing a rookie QB in his first game to the Ti-Cat D, they stand no chance.

I don't know but I'd like to see Ford get a chance.  Many fans have wanted to see Canadian QB's getting a fair chance and we're starting to see more of that in recent years.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 30, 2022, 09:06:16 PM
I don't know but I'd like to see Ford get a chance.  Many fans have wanted to see Canadian QB's getting a fair chance and we're starting to see more of that in recent years.

Sure, but bring him in at the end of the game if the score is lopsided either way, you don't throw him into the fire when your team is off to a 0-3 start.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 30, 2022, 09:09:11 PM
Sure, but bring him in at the end of the game if the score is lopsided either way, you don't throw him into the fire when your team is off to a 0-3 start.

I agree but Jones is a nut. Ford might see the 1st series and then switch to Arbuckle or Locksley.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: dd on June 30, 2022, 09:14:19 PM
I don't think people or me are being negative. We're just pointing out the opposite where people get carried away in any players early success. Already talk about getting an NFL opportunity for example.

There is an interesting conversation about Rourke and the NFL. It speaks on rookie ELC contracts and how the NFL compares CFL QB's against American draft prospects.
I for one am glad he?s having success as really he?s by far the biggest surprise and highlight this year. Lots of players signed for more money this season?-hello mr Lawler!!! And have done squat to earn that pay cheque, which commonly happens. Still, glad Rourke is ripping it up and keep it up!!

Agree the NFL talks are very premature at this point. Let?s just enjoy the moment and let things unfold as they will


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on June 30, 2022, 09:19:37 PM
I for one am glad he?s having success as really he?s by far the biggest surprise and highlight this year. Lots of players signed for more money this season?-hello mr Lawler!!! And have done squat to earn that pay cheque, which commonly happens. Still, glad Rourke is ripping it up and keep it up!!

Agree the NFL talks are very premature at this point. Let?s just enjoy the moment and let things unfold as they will

I'm looking forward to watching Rourke play against the Redblacks. Also wanting to see if he Redblacks are as tough defensively as they looked against the Bombers.

Lots of potential injuries for both teams so not sure who will play and who won't. Obviously Lions lost Burnham but several starters are questionable.

Lawler has played well in Edmonton but the team is not very good. He is the highest targeted receiver in the CFL and had the most receptions.

Lions appear to be a much better team than in 2021.

A good QB surrounded by a good team around him has a good chance to succeed. On a bad team things might not look as good but the QB always takes the heat.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 30, 2022, 10:42:37 PM
Interesting that Bo Lokombo is listed as one of the starting LB's after being knocked out cold in the Argo game just 5 days ago.  The players need to stand up for their own personal safety as the CFL, the CFLPA, and team doctors only pay lip-service to CTE, and in reality don't give a crap.

A friend of my son was concussed while mountain biking this past week, although he did not lose consciousness, the brain specialist advised 4-6 weeks before he could resume vigorous riding and that was only after a final checkup.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: dd on June 30, 2022, 11:17:20 PM
It?s the dark ugly truth about professional sports....they all say they have concussion protocols but in reality, it?s all about winning and teams couldn?t care less if you?re a vegetable year?s down the line. The league has got to mandate and enforce recovery protocols done by independent third party not team doctors.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 03, 2022, 12:55:04 AM
He is good but shown his weakness.  I love his play and yes we need to be ready.  Simply put we bring the heat and we are ok.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on July 03, 2022, 04:15:06 AM
He is good but shown his weakness.  I love his play and yes we need to be ready.  Simply put we bring the heat and we are ok.
yes he has many weaknesses....like averaging over 350 yards passing in 3 games with 2 interceptions and 9 TDs.   Oh and he's 4th in rushing averaging over 12 YPC with two TDs and 180 yards...,which is more than our two RBs combined! He leads the league in efficiency at 135%!!   He has been hit hard and shakes it off and doesn't seem to get rattled easily.
I'm still looking for his weaknesses and I'm sure the Bombers will be as well.    Seriously this guy has been nothing short of a phenom and you're  talking about his weaknesses??

Yeah, I'm sure he has some....like maybe brunettes or pistachio ice cream....or maybe Miss Vickie's....or puppies!   


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 03, 2022, 04:18:04 AM
yes he has many weaknesses....like averaging over 350 yards passing in 3 games with 2 interceptions and 9 TDs.   Oh and he's 4th in rushing averaging over 12 YPC with two TDs and 180 yards...,which is more than our two RBs combined! He leads the league in efficiency at 135%!!   He has been hit hard and shakes it off and doesn't seem to get rattled easily.
I'm still looking for his weaknesses and I'm sure the Bombers will be as well.    Seriously this guy has been nothing short of a phenom and you're  talking about his weaknesses??

Yeah, I'm sure he has some....like maybe brunettes or pistachio ice cream....or maybe Miss Vickie's....or puppies!  
Good qb that can be beat and will make mistakes

Wee bit of a band wagon post there

You may have noticed how I said he was a good qb and I loved his play.  I am very impressed with his play.

In the last game he got rattled a few times when under pressure.  Our DL and LBs could easily rattle him, he could easily light us up.   Ding ding.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on July 03, 2022, 04:39:24 AM
Good qb that can be beat and will make mistakes

Wee bit of a band wagon post there

You may have noticed how I said he was a good qb and I loved his play.  I am very impressed with his play.

In the last game he got rattled a few times when under pressure.  Our DL and LBs could easily rattle him, he could easily light us up.   Ding ding.
read the stats man....bandwagon post??    Right now there's none close to him....he's on pace for a record breaking season for a CANADIAN QB!!   Will he have ups and downs?   Most likely however he's got more up than down.   Even Zach has thrown 2 picks but only has 3 TDs.   Nathan has 9!   I've been watching football for 62 years and have never ever seen any QB let alone a Canadian QB....not even Russ Jackson (who was superlative)....have this kind of success!!
You casually downplay this by saying we'll pressure him and be ok.   I think all 3 teams that have played him tried that and how did that work out? You're so **** sure and then call me a bit of a "bandwagon" poster!
EVERY QB has some weakness but my point is about his tremendous upside despite showing us some of his weaknesses.       


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 03, 2022, 11:26:11 AM
read the stats man....bandwagon post??    Right now there's none close to him....he's on pace for a record breaking season for a CANADIAN QB!!   Will he have ups and downs?   Most likely however he's got more up than down.   Even Zach has thrown 2 picks but only has 3 TDs.   Nathan has 9!   I've been watching football for 62 years and have never ever seen any QB let alone a Canadian QB....not even Russ Jackson (who was superlative)....have this kind of success!!
You casually downplay this by saying we'll pressure him and be ok.   I think all 3 teams that have played him tried that and how did that work out? You're so **** sure and then call me a bit of a "bandwagon" poster!
EVERY QB has some weakness but my point is about his tremendous upside despite showing us some of his weaknesses.       

Linc speaks the truth. Ding ding. 8)


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on July 03, 2022, 01:48:40 PM
Linc speaks the truth. Ding ding. 8)
Thanks Goldie....I try not to diss other posters and respect their opinions despite not always agreeing with them.   There are many posters on here that have superior technical knowledge of the game and I will never be at their level.   However, being a Bomber fan for 62 years I have observed and followed this team through the good years and the bad ones and have opinions based on this obsessive fandom.   I'm certainly no self proclaimed expert and perhaps my perspective is permanently tinted B&G, however despite this, I try to remain objective.   
I'm excited for BC and hope their fandom is revived by having Nathan Rourke in their fold.  I also hope he continues to be successful and he gets even better.    How exciting would that be for this league?! The overall health of the CFL will benefit from this.   As for franchises like the Argos.....well their lack of fan support concerns me and I also hope AH can be instrumental in attracting more bums in seats albeit schools still out(until he can prove otherwise) on his career longevity.   However, when he is motivated, he can still be a force, despite his 35 years. I hope he has a good game against us win or lose. 

We are missing a lot of key people and despite MOS's "next man up" mantra, losing them now, at the toughest part of our schedule, is going to impact us negatively.....especially Nic Demski who is sooooo under rated.

PJR has a penchant for dismissing other opinions meanwhile  elevating his own as being infallible and expert.   I usually ignore him but on occasion I have to say something.....albeit I highly doubt it will ever make him think to change his dismissive style of interaction with fellow posters.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: dd on July 03, 2022, 02:06:25 PM
His dismissive condescending holier than thou style alienates a lot of us to the point where we don?t participate in the discussion at all.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Tiger on July 03, 2022, 03:16:18 PM
I am blown away by Rourke?s success.  Numbers are startling, and Burnham is injured.  It was nice of him to throw the two int?s to show he is human.  I am very impressed by his ability to read D and adjust. He is making very good decisions and that is hard to game plan against.

One question:  is it just me or does Rourke read and do better against zone defence?

No weaknesses? I would disagree. He does not seem to have the strength and touch for the long ball which the WBB can exploit.

That said I realize this is a small body of work and overall BC is much overall improved (with their defence challenging Rourke?s accomplishments). Further Butler?s success is giving Rourke?s opportunities.

I look forward to playing BC. I think this will come down to our D line, especially Jefferson and Jeffcoat to stop the run, contain, and pressure against Rourke and BC run game. Offence will need to put up some more points and our use of zones may need to change.

Wish Rourke the best, but not against WBB.



Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on July 03, 2022, 03:48:39 PM
Inexperience will show at times. Pressure from a front 7 against any QB causes mistakes and that's where the Bombers thrive. OTOH, if a QB can read the defence and make quick decisions he can beat enormous pressure. That's partially on him but his OL and RB must be able to give him that time.

Overall I think he can do well but I'm not so sure about his OL in spite of the 3 - 0 record.

Really impressed with what Rourke has done in his 1st 4 starts.



Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: bluebeard on July 03, 2022, 04:32:59 PM
I'm also impressed by Rourke's play but he does have a lot of weapons on offense to look at.  The one that really turns my crank is Ford in Edmonton.  He does not have the numerous weapons that Rourke has, or the offensive line.  He has to use his feet to escape the pressure., but he can get the job done.  I also forgot to mention that the BC defense gets the ball back quickly so that Rourke can get back on the field.

Two very promising Canadian QBs in the league.  This should make some of the American coaches take another look at USport QBs or Canadian QB in US college ball.  This is great for the CFL game


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 03, 2022, 06:49:02 PM
Inexperience will show at times. Pressure from a front 7 against any QB causes mistakes and that's where the Bombers thrive. OTOH, if a QB can read the defence and make quick decisions he can beat enormous pressure. That's partially on him but his OL and RB must be able to give him that time.

Overall I think he can do well but I'm not so sure about his OL in spite of the 3 - 0 record.

Really impressed with what Rourke has done in his 1st 4 starts.

A number of Rourke's passes were deflected by the D-line in the game against the RB's, hopefully Jefferson and crew get their hands up in the passing lanes and cause a few intercepts.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: the paw on July 03, 2022, 09:43:36 PM
Rourke has been outstanding, but he?s not going to sustain this level of play for the whole year.  Running QBs always have defences on their back heels initially, until they either get dinged, or defences come up with specific strategies to defend them.  Having said that, he could cool off by 15% and still be in the conversation for MOP.

If Rourke keeps playing like this, two things will happen.  First, he will get an NFL shot.  Second, if the NFL doesn?t work out, his contract is going to leap to market value, and BC won?t be able to afford the arsenal of offensive weapons to surround him.  Neither of those helps us stop him this year, but at least he won?t upset the competitive balance of the league for long.  In the meantime, the boys are going to have to strap up and play BC tough.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: TBURGESS on July 03, 2022, 09:49:12 PM
We haven't played a team with a win yet this year. On Monday, we play Toronto who has one win only because Montreal couldn't connect on a 21 yard FG.

BC has beaten a team with 1 win, Edmonton, but Edmonton's win was in the battle of the worst 2 teams in the league.

Next week is a huge game for both teams. A 4 point battle for first. Two good teams playing a good team for the first time this season. I can hardly wait.

Oh yah! I almost forgot. Bombers should be able to win tomorrow in a big way.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 03, 2022, 11:05:04 PM
A number of Rourke's passes were deflected by the D-line in the game against the RB's, hopefully Jefferson and crew get their hands up in the passing lanes and cause a few intercepts.
Good game plan, likely to happen
Inexperience will show at times. Pressure from a front 7 against any QB causes mistakes and that's where the Bombers thrive. OTOH, if a QB can read the defence and make quick decisions he can beat enormous pressure. That's partially on him but his OL and RB must be able to give him that time.

Overall I think he can do well but I'm not so sure about his OL in spite of the 3 - 0 record.

Really impressed with what Rourke has done in his 1st 4 starts.


Agree
read the stats man....bandwagon post??    Right now there's none close to him....he's on pace for a record breaking season for a CANADIAN QB!!   Will he have ups and downs?   Most likely however he's got more up than down.   Even Zach has thrown 2 picks but only has 3 TDs.   Nathan has 9!   I've been watching football for 62 years and have never ever seen any QB let alone a Canadian QB....not even Russ Jackson (who was superlative)....have this kind of success!!
You casually downplay this by saying we'll pressure him and be ok.   I think all 3 teams that have played him tried that and how did that work out? You're so **** sure and then call me a bit of a "bandwagon" poster!
EVERY QB has some weakness but my point is about his tremendous upside despite showing us some of his weaknesses.      

Read my posts again, I'll say it again.  Love his play, impressed but him but last game he started to show some weakness and we can agree on one thing yes he will have his ups and downs.  His start to his career is nothing but spectacular and I hope he keeps it up.

My original post was to simply state that we have what looks like a good qb that can and will be beat.  Band wagon post was wrong, perhaps you had too much orange koolaid? lol, sorry for suggesting the band wagon thing, that wasn't a good fit for what you said.  A good d and right schemes can and will beat this guy.  Like I said he could roast us but I'm expecting the league and specifically our defense to figure him out.  The challenge is shutting him, the run game and all the great receivers at the same time.  The ding ding was to sound round 1 vs BC.  Will be great to find out if he can continue to dominate, moderates or we shut him down like we have done for 2 or 3 years straight for every other team and qb that we play.

And yes his stats are out of this world.  They are unlikely to continue on that same pace however but you never know.  If they do he is NFL bound and wouldn't that be cool.

However I strongly disagree with your one statement about their being no one close to him.  While from a stats perspective you are correct; stats don't always tell you the full story.  The quarterback position is one that will requires many years to show who can do it and who is going to be a star in the league.  Starting to say that someone's going to be that great based on a small sample size of games really doesn't carry any Merit in the way I look at football.  Everyone on here will remember how I take a long-term view of things;I don't look at what happens in one game or in a series of games to determine what I think about a team a coach or a player. Long-term success is all that matters.  Rourke is likely to have this in his future.  However it's not a guarantee and he will see a great deal of adversity in his career.   The announcers did talk about that and they wanted to see how he would do it with adversity.   I know Russ Jackson wanted to see the same; it's easy when you're riding a wave of success, let's see what you do after the opposite.  I wish him the best of luck he's a great a Rising Star but let's not get too carried away here is really my point.  The outcome I like to see the most is our defense Rock them but then he learns from it and continues to grow as a pro because I do want him to have success.  He is important to the success of the CFL and he will bring a great deal of attention to league if he does rip it up.  Having Ford do the same at the same time would blow my mind.  Love the CFL because of its Canadian players!!!!

I am am excited for the BC franchise to gain more success and fans.

His dismissive condescending holier than thou style alienates a lot of us to the point where we don?t participate in the discussion at all.
No need to take personal shots and I'll try to do the same.
Linc speaks the truth. Ding ding. 8)
Please ignore my posts and I'll try to return the favour.
I used the ding ding as to ring the bell on the 1st match up between the clubs
I'm also impressed by Rourke's play but he does have a lot of weapons on offense to look at.  The one that really turns my crank is Ford in Edmonton.  He does not have the numerous weapons that Rourke has, or the offensive line.  He has to use his feet to escape the pressure., but he can get the job done.  I also forgot to mention that the BC defense gets the ball back quickly so that Rourke can get back on the field.

Two very promising Canadian QBs in the league.  This should make some of the American coaches take another look at USport QBs or Canadian QB in US college ball.  This is great for the CFL game
Also equally impressed by Ford.  So exciting to have these two play well early.  But its still too early to make any concrete predictions on their future success (more so with Ford) Agree on this being great for league and will get us more attention
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Thanks Goldie....I try not to diss other posters and respect their opinions despite not always agreeing with them.   There are many posters on here that have superior technical knowledge of the game and I will never be at their level.   However, being a Bomber fan for 62 years I have observed and followed this team through the good years and the bad ones and have opinions based on this obsessive fandom.   I'm certainly no self proclaimed expert and perhaps my perspective is permanently tinted B&G, however despite this, I try to remain objective.  
I'm excited for BC and hope their fandom is revived by having Nathan Rourke in their fold.  I also hope he continues to be successful and he gets even better.    How exciting would that be for this league?! The overall health of the CFL will benefit from this.   As for franchises like the Argos.....well their lack of fan support concerns me and I also hope AH can be instrumental in attracting more bums in seats albeit schools still out(until he can prove otherwise) on his career longevity.   However, when he is motivated, he can still be a force, despite his 35 years. I hope he has a good game against us win or lose. 

We are missing a lot of key people and despite MOS's "next man up" mantra, losing them now, at the toughest part of our schedule, is going to impact us negatively.....especially Nic Demski who is sooooo under rated.

PJR has a penchant for dismissing other opinions meanwhile  elevating his own as being infallible and expert.   I usually ignore him but on occasion I have to say something.....albeit I highly doubt it will ever make him think to change his dismissive style of interaction with fellow posters.
I apologize if my opinion came on too strong.  I will always give my opinion on here.  No expert on football but collectively through debate we certainly all learn and present our views.  I am as high on Rourke as likely you are but simply wanted to remind you and the forum that he is beatable.  That said I think we would have a great chance to beat him when healthy on D, right not hard to say with a few missing key guys.  Pretty nice to debate how good a Canadian QB is, we can both agree he's pretty special.  What's your view on Ford?
Rourke has been outstanding, but he?s not going to sustain this level of play for the whole year.  Running QBs always have defences on their back heels initially, until they either get dinged, or defences come up with specific strategies to defend them.  Having said that, he could cool off by 15% and still be in the conversation for MOP.

If Rourke keeps playing like this, two things will happen.  First, he will get an NFL shot.  Second, if the NFL doesn?t work out, his contract is going to leap to market value, and BC won?t be able to afford the arsenal of offensive weapons to surround him.  Neither of those helps us stop him this year, but at least he won?t upset the competitive balance of the league for long.  In the meantime, the boys are going to have to strap up and play BC tough.
Agree all


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: dd on July 04, 2022, 03:07:26 AM
Love the stir and excitement Rourke is causing around the league, hope he keeps going strong, it ll be great for youth football across Canada.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on July 04, 2022, 06:59:25 PM
Love the stir and excitement Rourke is causing around the league, hope he keeps going strong, it ll be great for youth football across Canada.
Exactly.....can't recall another time in the history of the CFL where two Canadian QBs started a game and both games were won?   This can only help the CFL in the long run.   


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 04, 2022, 08:00:14 PM
Love the stir and excitement Rourke is causing around the league, hope he keeps going strong, it ll be great for youth football across Canada.
100% agree
Exactly.....can't recall another time in the history of the CFL where two Canadian QBs started a game and both games were won?   This can only help the CFL in the long run.  
Agree, lets enjoy the run and keep arguing about how good they are ;)

Great place for the league to be in!


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on July 04, 2022, 09:16:30 PM
All of this could influence the 2023 draft as teams start looking at other Canadian QB's. Now that we've gone back to 3 QB's on a roster, teams can re-consider giving a Canadian QB a more serious view.  I don't know which QB's might be eligible in 2023 or beyond but interest level may be going up.

It's good for the CFL.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 04, 2022, 09:52:24 PM
All of this could influence the 2023 draft as teams start looking at other Canadian QB's. Now that we've gone back to 3 QB's on a roster, teams can re-consider giving a Canadian QB a more serious view.  I don't know which QB's might be eligible in 2023 or beyond but interest level may be going up.

It's good for the CFL.

Will be great to follow this as I know many on here follow the draft closely.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on July 05, 2022, 01:52:26 PM
All of this could influence the 2023 draft as teams start looking at other Canadian QB's. Now that we've gone back to 3 QB's on a roster, teams can re-consider giving a Canadian QB a more serious view.  I don't know which QB's might be eligible in 2023 or beyond but interest level may be going up.

It's good for the CFL.

Their is one at Penn St who might win the starting job there.

Nathan's brother at Ohio University.  Plus they recruited another Canadian QB.

Plus many other USPORTS QBs



Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: M.O.A.B. on July 05, 2022, 02:02:31 PM
2022 NCAA Spring Rosters - 10 Cdn QB's :     
           
Keyshawn Dorsey - D2 Simon Fraser
Chad Owens Jr. - D1 Hawaii
Marcus Reeb - D3 Minnesota Morris
Kurtis Rourke - D1 Ohio
Karis Saplys - D2 William Jewell
Dylan Tabone - D1 Western Illinois
Quincy Vaughn - D1 North Dakota
Christian Veilleux - D1 Penn State
Callum Wither - D1 Ohio
Jack Zergiotis - D1 Connecticut


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on July 05, 2022, 03:05:40 PM
2022 NCAA Spring Rosters - 10 Cdn QB's :     
           
Keyshawn Dorsey - D2 Simon Fraser
Chad Owens Jr. - D1 Hawaii
Marcus Reeb - D3 Minnesota Morris
Kurtis Rourke - D1 Ohio
Karis Saplys - D2 William Jewell
Dylan Tabone - D1 Western Illinois
Quincy Vaughn - D1 North Dakota
Christian Veilleux - D1 Penn State
Callum Wither - D1 Ohio
Jack Zergiotis - D1 Connecticut

How many are in their final year and will be in the 2023 draft?


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: The Zipp on October 01, 2022, 04:03:10 PM
Dude is gonna be back for the playoffs...we need Toronto to beat BC next week


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on October 01, 2022, 04:11:21 PM
Dude is gonna be back for the playoffs...we need Toronto to beat BC next week

I wouldn't count him available just yet.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: Pigskin on October 01, 2022, 04:22:38 PM
We already beat BC in BC with Rourke as QB. We get him here on a cool to cold day with IG field sold out. The kid will have some problems.


Title: Re: BC Lions / Nathan Rourke discussion
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on October 01, 2022, 04:42:31 PM
The emotional boost to BC if he came back would be huge!

Next week I expect bad VAJ to emerge, and I believe that we can clinch first next week, if they lose and we win??

Bigger concern for BC is if Burnham and Lucky are long term, couple that with Rourke out and that is some serious talent out for them!