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Have a great game A. Harris.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2022, 01:25:16 PM
Have a great game A. Harris.
Im thinking he will....we will see if Father Time has finally caught up with him. He's pushin' it....
i think AH will have 5 great games (including playoffs), 6 OK games, 2 bad games and miss the rest with injury.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 16, 2022, 05:57:58 PM
i think AH will have 5 great games (including playoffs), 6 OK games, 2 bad games and miss the rest with injury.
That's rather negative and could apply to any player in the league. Take note that we lost Prukop and Briggs to the 6 game IR after game 1. Clements is nicked along with several others.
Ottawa lost their starting safety to the 6 game IR and Montreal lost Stanback to the 6 game IR.
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on June 16, 2022, 03:28:45 PM
Im thinking he will....we will see if Father Time has finally caught up with him. He's pushin' it....
Fair enough. We may see that as the season progresses and how the Argos use him. They have not been a balanced attack team with MBT as a gunslinger QB. Tonight we'll get an idea of how much they focus on the run game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2022, 06:09:02 PM
That's rather negative and could apply to any player in the league. Take note that we lost Prukop and Briggs to the 6 game IR after game 1. Clements is nicked along with several others.
Ottawa lost their starting safety to the 6 game IR and Montreal lost Stanback to the 6 game IR.
lol, so?
It was a prediction.
Quote from: Jesse on June 16, 2022, 06:18:48 PM
lol, so?
It was a prediction.
Obviously it was a prediction but one with a negative connotation. Since he's an older player that had some injury issues last year it's not an unreasonable thought but it's an unnecessary thought.
Aside from 2021 he's missed very few games and been a workout nut. Regardless the wear and tear shows up eventually in every player. I don't know how he'll do over the 18 game season even if he stays healthy. Game plan, focus on the run and quality of the OL comes into play.
It's only week 2 and we've already seen some RB's get hurt in both TC and in game 1.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2022, 06:30:33 PM
Obviously it was a prediction but one with a negative connotation. Since he's an older player that had some injury issues last year it's not an unreasonable thought but it's an unnecessary thought.
Aside from 2021 he's missed very few games and been a workout nut. Regardless the wear and tear shows up eventually in every player. I don't know how he'll do over the 18 game season even if he stays healthy. Game plan, focus on the run and quality of the OL comes into play.
It's only week 2 and we've already seen some RB's get hurt in both TC and in game 1.
If anything, that makes it more reasonable to include injury time when making a season prediction.
It's fine if you want to be optimistic, but it's hardly "unreasonable and unnecessary" for someone to account for wear and tear on a 35 year old RB coming off an injury plagued season.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 16, 2022, 05:57:58 PM
i think AH will have 5 great games (including playoffs), 6 OK games, 2 bad games and miss the rest with injury.
sounds accurate enough to me Zipp. He will most certainly miss time due to some sort of injury during the year. I?m curious to see how he?ll play tonight with an average online and below average quarterback.
He'll have a strong start but he'll fade as the season goes. It's tough being a 35-year-old running back.
I think AH33 could do alright tonight. Calgary had 103 yards on 19 carried on week one. Montreal does not have the best run D.
Quote from: Jesse on June 16, 2022, 06:37:03 PM
If anything, that makes it more reasonable to include injury time when making a season prediction.
It's fine if you want to be optimistic, but it's hardly "unreasonable and unnecessary" for someone to account for wear and tear on a 35 year old RB coming off an injury plagued season.
Prior to 2021 Harris only missed 9 games out of 180 due to injury. It wasn't just the thought he'd suffer an injury but that he'd also have nearly half of his games rated as poor. Only 5 games projected as good games.
That's an unnecessary point of view IMO. If he was still in Winnipeg it's not what we'd be thinking. He goes to another team and all of a sudden he's immediately washed up.
He finished with a 5.4 yard average in 2021 and 5th in the CFL rushing while only playing 7 games. Only Stanback in the top 5 had a higher yardage per carry. Each of the top 4 missed 1 - 3 games. Stanback is already on the 6 game IR after week one.
There is more history to support a good season than an expectation of a poor season. We agree to disagree. There are no guarantees in football and injuries can certainly be a larger part as a player ages.
I hope he manages to play 14+ games, missing playing against us. lol
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
Prior to 2021 Harris only missed 9 games out of 180 due to injury. It wasn't just the thought he'd suffer an injury but that he'd also have nearly half of his games rated as poor. Only 5 games projected as good games.
That's an unnecessary point of view IMO. If he was still in Winnipeg it's not what we'd be thinking. He goes to another team and all of a sudden he's immediately washed up.
We heard similar comments about D. Adams as well.
Are you counting in the 2 games he missed for PED's.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 16, 2022, 09:00:10 PM
Are you counting in the 2 games he missed for PED's.
Yes since that wasn't an injury issue. Note that I added more info onto my previous comment.
In 1st 10 seasons, 6 games missed in 2014 and 3 in 2016.
Fantasy still has AH as #1 most expensive RB. I'd love to pick him this week (something to prove) but can't budget it in. Will TOR even bother to air it out in the red zone or just give it to AH?
A lot depends on TOR's OL, which looks a lot like the SSK one from 2019 ;D ;D ;D
One thing is for sure, AH's presence should mean a lot more space for the excellent TOR WR/SB line-up. Even if they just use AH as a decoy all night.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 16, 2022, 09:13:57 PM
Fantasy still has AH as #1 most expensive RB. I'd love to pick him this week (something to prove) but can't budget it in. Will TOR even bother to air it out in the red zone or just give it to AH?
A lot depends on TOR's OL, which looks a lot like the SSK one from 2019 ;D ;D ;D
One thing is for sure, AH's presence should mean a lot more space for the excellent TOR WR/SB line-up. Even if they just use AH as a decoy all night.
I don't know but Argos have 2 rookies behind him on the depth chart.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
Prior to 2021 Harris only missed 9 games out of 180 due to injury. It wasn't just the thought he'd suffer an injury but that he'd also have nearly half of his games rated as poor. Only 5 games projected as good games.
That's an unnecessary point of view IMO. If he was still in Winnipeg it's not what we'd be thinking. He goes to another team and all of a sudden he's immediately washed up.
He finished with a 5.4 yard average in 2021 and 5th in the CFL rushing while only playing 7 games. Only Stanback in the top 5 had a higher yardage per carry. Each of the top 4 missed 1 - 3 games. Stanback is already on the 6 game IR after week one.
There is more history to support a good season than an expectation of a poor season. We agree to disagree. There are no guarantees in football and injuries can certainly be a larger part as a player ages.
I hope he manages to play 14+ games, missing playing against us. lol
Good post and I agree. I do think we'll see a different Andrew Harris this year. Last year, by some accounts, he sort of came in undertrained and not 100% ready. Can't do that at his age. I imagine the situation now will be very motivational for him. Not unlike when Wally gave up on him and allowed him to come here. The difference between then and now is Harris is 35. He's either going to have to be on a snap count or they are going to have to use him less early and ramp his carries later in the year. I think if they run him as the 24/7 feature back he's going to get warn down. I also can't see a 5+ yards per carry average this year. Last year he was too slow to get around the corner and was mostly a A and B gap runner. He played behind a practically dynasty calibre offensive line and although Toronto's is fine, it's not the 2021 Blue Bombers offensive line (I don't think any team has a line like that this year, us included).
Argos lost starting C Nicastro to 6 game IR. Their starting 5 OL have about 184 CFL games. Stanley Bryant has 170 all by himself.
That's going to be the real issue is how well their OL plays and whether they have any depth at RB to reduce his workload. Winnipeg's OL has been solid and played together for significant time. If the Argos do very well with their passing game then it may open up the run more than vice versa. MBT can throw for a ton of yardage but I don't expect a balanced offence from the Argos.
I agree his carries will need to be monitored as the season progresses. You want him healthy going into the playoffs and not worn out.
Remember after Cornish's last GC, he admitted on camera the plan all along was for him to be a decoy. Teams had to plan everything around him and that opened up the air game. Even if AH has "lost it", he'll be useful as a decoy. Even if they don't want to have much of a run game, teams have to plan around AH.
Of course I think AH will be monster, but no matter what, I expect AH's presence to be a massive boost to TOR's O.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 16, 2022, 10:48:34 PM
Remember after Cornish's last GC, he admitted on camera the plan all along was for him to be a decoy. Teams had to plan everything around him and that opened up the air game. Even if AH has "lost it", he'll be useful as a decoy. Even if they don't want to have much of a run game, teams have to plan around AH.
Of course I think AH will be monster, but no matter what, I expect AH's presence to be a massive boost to TOR's O.
To me he always gets better the more you run him, within reason of course. We'll see how many 4th quarters he takes over games.
Harris looks really good to start the game!
He has touched the ball each of the first 5 plays. 4 rushes and 1 nice catch and run.
Harris is a beast, proven those wrong when he came back from injury and dominated and he will continue to excel this year
One of best players we have seen in our generation
Jones #1d (int) - edit didn't hang on but Jones is still boss lol
Quote from: pjrocksmb on June 16, 2022, 11:48:12 PM
Harris is a beast, proven those wrong when he came back from injury and dominated and he will continue to excel this year
One of best players we have seen in our generation
Jones #1d (int)
NOT! :D
You knew Harris was gonna come out with a vengeance. A great hard hard runner. Pity not to have him still. Lets see how durable he ends up being though.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 16, 2022, 11:50:38 PM
You knew Harris was gonna come out with a vengeance. A great hard hard runner. Pity not to have him still. Lets see how durable he ends up being though.
He will play 3/4 games
I'm a big MJones#16 fan too. Too bad we couldn't afford them all. He read and ran the route for the WR. Smart ball.
He seemed hurt a bit after. Hopefully he stays in, MTL's DBs are a pretty weak corps.
AH coming to kick arse and chew bubblegum, and he's all out of bubblegum. AH will get more yards in Q1 than BO got all game. Anyone want to take a bet he gets a TD before halftime? :D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 16, 2022, 11:58:37 PM
I'm a big MJones#16 fan too. Too bad we couldn't afford them all. He read and ran the route for the WR. Smart ball.
He seemed hurt a bit after. Hopefully he stays in, MTL's DBs are a pretty weak corps.
AH coming to kick arse and chew bubblegum, and he's all out of bubblegum. AH will get more yards in Q1 than BO got all game. Anyone want to take a bet he gets a TD before halftime? :D
Good post, didn't see the injury and yes hope he is ok
No i wouldn't take that unless you paid 4 to 1 lol
Nice int
AH doing his patented loose bucket thing again. We forced him to put a stop to that in '21, but TOR seems to allow the loose straps.
MTL gets a lucky break. Daniels not making much of an effort there. I was never a big Daniels fan.
Another instance of the refs not seeing the DBC. I'm fine to let them run with it, as long as no one gets injured.
Wow Macbeth is terrible! :D
Harris is awesome
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 17, 2022, 12:08:15 AM
Wow Macbeth is terrible! :D
Harris is awesome
Nah Macbeth is a decent QB, over stated
Not sure why they ejected two guys over that
3 15s would have been how I called that
Quote from: pjrocksmb on June 17, 2022, 12:23:15 AM
Nah Macbeth is a decent QB, over stated
Not sure why they ejected two guys over that
3 15s would have been how I called that
33 stomped the Argo. By bye no stomping in football. Watch it again. I am surprised they ejected spect Allen as well. Poor guy got stomped!
MBT is a bad thrower of the ball.
My word Montreal is a self destructing disaster zone here late in the second quarter.
Jesus that was a hit boy
Ok come Als show some life here?.
Khari and his team look unprepared and big mistake prone.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 17, 2022, 01:19:09 AM
Ok come Als show some life here?.
Khari and his team look unprepared and big mistake prone.
Als are lost at moment
Quote from: pjrocksmb on June 17, 2022, 01:20:51 AM
Als are lost at moment
Well we can agree on that anyways.
Als look bad!
I expect by week six Khari will be out of work and the Als will be coming out of bye with an 0-4 record.
Andrew Harris runs mean, Brady ran mean last year last game he didn't let's hope Brady get that aspect back!
Harris moving ball and nice little run there
TO D decent
Als D has fallen off.
Yup Als secondary looks lost.
2nd and 8 and Mike Jones was playing 10 yards off the WR! WtH
Did Harris get nicked there? O no!
Quote from: pjrocksmb on June 17, 2022, 01:57:39 AM
Did Harris get nicked there? O no!
he grimmest we shall see..
Cote is a good kicker.
Harris
Correction tender Hammy already
Bede sucks
Pre kick routine is silly and then misses a mid rang FG
Yup looks like Harris is already nicked up. Count not even last game 1 right when they needed him most!
Arrrrrrrrggooooos
Wow. That is one the worst chokes in a long time. That kicker stinks...why didn't he use a tee?
Oof. So close to having a pick ?em go right.
It was actually a bad game overall. This game didn't do the CFL any favours
Quote from: The Zipp on June 17, 2022, 02:28:50 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha
LOL he did look great until that horse Manure. The owner disgusted lol
Both those teams suck! Argos did not deserve to win that game.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 17, 2022, 02:31:52 AM
It was actually a bad game overall. This game didn't do the CFL any favours
both teams look poorly coached. Both have very good talent but crappy leadership if you ask me.
Both teams have loser kickers.
Harris already beat up and could not take the field on the last 2 Argos drives when they absolutely needed him.
Blue Bombers look like they made the right decision already.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 17, 2022, 02:31:52 AM
It was actually a bad game overall. This game didn't do the CFL any favours
hey man it was still great football action. It was not a gem but it was still entertaining. Do not like it I guess it is not for you.
Thats the kind of play that ends up with coach paying the price.
Quote from: Pete on June 17, 2022, 02:37:20 AM
Thats the kind of play that ends up with coach paying the price.
absolutely Milt said the same thing. But it was not the missed kick it was the large amount of poorly coached items throughout the game that lost them the game. Khari NEEDS to win the next Al game.
Quote from: Pete on June 17, 2022, 02:37:20 AM
Thats the kind of play that ends up with coach paying the price.
That loss is not on Khari, that is all on Cote, snap good, hold good, kick not so good.
Annnnd Andrew Harris is already hurt.
https://3downnation.com/2022/06/16/andrew-harris-leaves-argos-debut-with-suspected-hamstring-injury/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 17, 2022, 02:40:42 AM
Annnnd Andrew Harris is already hurt.
https://3downnation.com/2022/06/16/andrew-harris-leaves-argos-debut-with-suspected-hamstring-injury/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
hopefully just a strain but if a small tear he?ll be out a while. I?d rather have our available Canadian Backs
Quote from: Horseman on June 17, 2022, 02:39:51 AM
That loss is not on Khari, that is all on Cote, snap good, hold good, kick not so good.
at the end of the day they are 0-2 ,,if they go 0-3 I doubt Khari stays
Great move by Montreal to pickup Trevor Harris.
I thought AH33 looked good in the 1st half. 17 yard rec, 68 yards rushing. The 2nd half he look like he had run out of gas. To bad he got injured.
Quote from: Pete on June 17, 2022, 02:43:11 AM
at the end of the day they are 0-2 ,,if they go 0-3 I doubt Khari stays
Based of what I saw from Sask. It doesn't look good for him
Andrew Harris is so good, but unfortunately father time never loses. He has the right desire but it appears his body can't maintain his mental desire, it's too bad
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2022, 06:09:02 PM
That's rather negative and could apply to any player in the league. Take note that we lost Prukop and Briggs to the 6 game IR after game 1. Clements is nicked along with several others.
Ottawa lost their starting safety to the 6 game IR and Montreal lost Stanback to the 6 game IR.
I would have said the same thing if Harris was a Bomber. The age and position are facts you can't ignore. Playing 10-11 great/ok games isn't overtly negative for a guy his age. The best thing for any team that he is on is saving him for the last 1/3rd of the year. Limit his touches.
Quote from: Pete on June 17, 2022, 02:43:11 AM
at the end of the day they are 0-2 ,,if they go 0-3 I doubt Khari stays
There is no way and I mean NO WAY (yelling it) that MTL ties the can to Khari even if they go 0-3.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 17, 2022, 02:46:56 AM
Andrew Harris is so good, but unfortunately father time never loses. He has the right desire but it appears his body can't maintain his mental desire, it's too bad
yup this ^
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 17, 2022, 02:46:56 AM
Andrew Harris is so good, but unfortunately father time never loses. He has the right desire but it appears his body can't maintain his mental desire, it's too bad
There was a quote in an NFL film about running backs that stated: "A running back and his body is like an outlaw and his horse, he has too ride that nag until it drops". It appears at 35 years of age, his body can no longer take the punishment.
Quote from: Horseman on June 17, 2022, 02:50:55 AM
There was a quote in an NFL film about running backs that stated: "A running back and his body is like an outlaw and his horse, he has too ride that nag until it drops". It appears at 35 years of age, his body can no longer take the punishment.
so true. AH has had an amazing career but yes he was completely ineffective in the second half after a real good first half. Some of that could attributed to lack of OL blocking and MBT not being effective enough to warrant extra D against the pass. But then he was out when Argos really need him in there. They should have lost but Cote is cocked eyed apparently. :D
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 17, 2022, 02:30:25 AM
Wow Cote is a loser!
I take that comment earlier back!
You jinxed him.
Harris had a pretty good game. He did pull a hamstring and that could be a problem for awhile or a precautionary situation. I wouldn't pre judge this to an age problem although it certainly could be that. We'll see how things progress with any recovery.
We lost two players to the 6 game IR after the 1st game that are younger. We also lost Clements to the 1 game but I haven't heard what his injury is yet.
Football is a game where any injury is one play away.
Quote from: Horseman on June 17, 2022, 02:50:55 AM
There was a quote in an NFL film about running backs that stated: "A running back and his body is like an outlaw and his horse, he has too ride that nag until it drops". It appears at 35 years of age, his body can no longer take the punishment.
Harris defied the odds but he was so clearly out of gas last year. He just couldn't make all the runs like he used to. He still can't. 35 is pretty wild for an every down running back. It's a bit different, but there are tons of articles you can read measuring running back effectiveness in the NFL and the trend is downward once you hit 27. There are outliers and Harris is one of them but yeah, you could see it last year clear as day.
Regarding AH it will be interesting just to see how the next few games go if he even plays?
PJ -- Both kickers were fine? Lol. What game were you watching? Bede went 3 for 5 with a long of 38 and Cote missed a 20 yard chip shot to win the game.
That's fine?! What is not fine? Lol
Note: Powell will miss his 2nd game to start the season. Stanback is on the 6 game IR. Both Stanback and Powell were in the top 5 rushers in 2021.
Hopefully Harris will be able to play next week.
Little tougher game next week for Toronto. BC has a pretty good D. There O is also pretty explosive.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 17, 2022, 04:05:16 AM
Note: Powell will miss his 2nd game to start the season. Stanback is on the 6 game IR. Both Stanback and Powell were in the top 5 rushers in 2021.
Hopefully Harris will be able to play next week.
Yeah that's too bad about the running backs we want to see that talent and all the games I was worried when the Montreal running back got nicked again today as he actually looks really good and I hope he can stay healthy we want all the teams to do well and be healthy and keep the CFL going
Thanks for the update interesting news
If Pj could go back and read my comments timed as the game was progressing he or she will find I said Harris looked really good until he was not which was was the second half then he was out the last chunk of the game all together.
All the posts related to the derailment of this discussion will be removed.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 17, 2022, 02:31:52 AM
It was actually a bad game overall. This game didn't do the CFL any favours
I thought it was better than our game in week 1. Quite entertaining. Low scoring and looked lame, but still had me on the edge of my seat.
Try playing fantasy, it spices up every game as you rack up (or get robbed of) fantasy points.
Hopefully the scoring starts picking up in all of these games, as per the new rule changes. If all these things to help get points end up equalling less points this season then the CFL is in even deeper doodoo.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 17, 2022, 02:37:10 AM
hey man it was still great football action. It was not a gem but it was still entertaining. Do not like it I guess it is not for you.
Yup Goldie.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 17, 2022, 02:43:45 AM
I thought AH33 looked good in the 1st half. 17 yard rec, 68 yards rushing. The 2nd half he look like he had run out of gas. To bad he got injured.
AH had a great game. I think MTL adjusted at halftime to focus more on the run, realizing they were getting "Harrised".
The hit AH took was really, really punishing. Surprised he held up as good as he did after that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 17, 2022, 04:05:16 AM
Note: Powell will miss his 2nd game to start the season. Stanback is on the 6 game IR. Both Stanback and Powell were in the top 5 rushers in 2021.
Good point. RB is the most punishing position. They are all always 1 whack away from season-ender. That's why we always try to slot very capable backups.
I don't hold it against AH that he had to come out for 8 mins in game 1. It didn't look too serious and I doubt he lets himself sit for game 2.
Harris will bounce back but obviously he won't play the whole year and the kickers that struggled in that game will also bounce back
Don't judge a player based on one game
He had a pretty solid game looking at his stat sheet. 87 yards on the ground and well over 100 total.
His injury doesn't sound serious, which is good news.
Harris is experiencing hamstring tightness. We hope he can still play at a high level but I can't help wonder if time has caught up to him. You just don't see many 30+ running backs in any league. Last season he was injured as much as he was healthy and this doesn't bode well for the rest of this season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 17, 2022, 01:09:28 PM
He had a pretty solid game looking at his stat sheet. 87 yards on the ground and well over 100 total.
His injury doesn't sound serious, which is good news.
Dinwiddie also said he's been dealing with his hamstring for all of training camp.
Surprised to see two ejections in the same game in game 5 of the season. Couldn't see all of what caused that but it sends a good message to all players.
Quote from: Horseman on June 17, 2022, 02:47:50 AM
There is no way and I mean NO WAY (yelling it) that MTL ties the can to Khari even if they go 0-3.
Agree. Surprised there?s even mention of this. Khari is a good coach and great guy.
Harris very good but hard to watch him rumble in an Argos jersey. Hope he?s fine.
I?ll take responsibility for the missed chip field goal. I picked Montreal. But ****, I could?ve made that kick!
From that close in middle of field it?s harder to kick it wide than through!
How do you missa 20 yard field goal. He must have rushed the kick . Even then he shanked it. The owner wasn't very pleased.. maybe Khari froze him calling the time out
Quote from: Jesse on June 17, 2022, 04:17:52 PM
Dinwiddie also said he's been dealing with his hamstring for all of training camp.
sounds exactly how he was here last year.
Quote from: buckzumhoff on June 17, 2022, 05:18:14 PM
How do you missa 20 yard field goal. He must have rushed the kick . Even then he shanked it. The owner wasn't very pleased.. maybe Khari froze him calling the time out
He didn't use a tee...i though most in the CFL do...he just kicked it terrible - it was literally the worst actual kick i have seen in years.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 17, 2022, 05:07:36 PM
Surprised to see two ejections in the same game in game 5 of the season. Couldn't see all of what caused that but it sends a good message to all players.
Was a stomp and then a little fight
the stomper deserved the ejection if he meant to do it, the other guy didn't do much I didn't think, just a wee bit of after whistle minor wrestling LOL
Quote from: pjrocksmb on June 17, 2022, 06:30:32 PM
Was a stomp and then a little fight
the stomper deserved the ejection if he meant to do it, the other guy didn't do much I didn't think, just a wee bit of after whistle minor wrestling LOL
What it looked like to me was the defender "accidently" stepped on the lineman's back, the the lineman "accidently" grabbed and twisted his other leg. Another defender who also was penalized saw and pushed the lineman from behind, who "may have" exaggerated his fall, then got up and a small fight ensued. In the fight the same T.O lineman did "appear" to throw a couple punches while on the ground.
I figured for sure the T.O lineman was getting the boot, was a bit surprised the defender was also tossed, but perhaps the refs didn't really think he "accidently" stepped on the lineman in the first place.
Quote from: gordo on June 17, 2022, 05:11:44 PM
Agree. Surprised there?s even mention of this. Khari is a good coach and great guy.
Harris very good but hard to watch him rumble in an Argos jersey. Hope he?s fine.
I?ll take responsibility for the missed chip field goal. I picked Montreal. But ****, I could?ve made that kick!
From that close in middle of field it?s harder to kick it wide than through!
yep....I might have made that one myself. TO really dodged a bullet and nothing is going well for KJ these days!
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 17, 2022, 07:21:49 PM
What it looked like to me was the defender "accidently" stepped on the lineman's back, the the lineman "accidently" grabbed and twisted his other leg. Another defender who also was penalized saw and pushed the lineman from behind, who "may have" exaggerated his fall, then got up and a small fight ensued. In the fight the same T.O lineman did "appear" to throw a couple punches while on the ground.
I figured for sure the T.O lineman was getting the boot, was a bit surprised the defender was also tossed, but perhaps the refs didn't really think he "accidently" stepped on the lineman in the first place.
you did a better job explaining it than I did LOL
Quote from: buckzumhoff on June 17, 2022, 05:18:14 PM
How do you missa 20 yard field goal. He must have rushed the kick . Even then he shanked it. The owner wasn't very pleased.. maybe Khari froze him calling the time out
And now, lets start the conspiracy / gambling connections now... better check his bank accounts for a big post game deposit...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 17, 2022, 08:22:15 PM
And now, lets start the conspiracy / gambling connections now... better check his bank accounts for a big post game deposit...
Hahaha, even my tinfoil isn't that thick. The kick was so bad I don't think he could have missed it like that by trying! ;D ;D
Besides, missing like that will get a kicker fired. Fast. The payoff would have to be bigger than his salary.
The kicking was bad by both teams. If TOR had made their 2 missed FGs, they probably win the game easily. MTL missing one just evened it out a bit.
Just one of those football gods moments?
Argos shown 8 players with hamstring injuries in their daily IR report. 4 including Harris listed as limited and 4 as DNP. Could be a tough next game for the Argos with many players possibly not dressing.
The Lions show Breaux as full participation on their IR report. He's on their 6 game IR. How is he allowed to practice at all? Unless they are pulling him off the IR and it hasn't been announced yet.
EDIT: Yes Breaux has been moved off of IR.
V. Adams, C. Ackie and several starters have been moved to IR. That explains Adams not going back into game.
Adams is out with COVID...
Owner of theAls tests positive for COVID... first VA3, now him, might we see out first COVID game delay/forfeit sometime soon?
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Can?t tell you how much I wanted to cheer on our team , first game , covid free And no restrictions .
You know I will be raising the roof of my cave . Our house , we win
Adams is living under a black cloud.!
Poor guy!
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Maybe VA doesn't like the benching last game. My question is, was it (benching of VA) done by K.Jones on his own accord or was the owner told him to do so?
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Maybe VA doesn't like the benching last game. My question is, was it (benching of VA) done by K.Jones on his own accord or was the owner told him to do so?
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IIRC Adams is making too much to be the # 2 QB. Could this result in a contract re-negotiation or release at some point?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2022, 08:36:57 PM
IIRC Adams is making too much to be the # 2 QB. Could this result in a contract re-negotiation or release at some point?
Too early in the season for those controversies, it's time for Trevor Harris to put some wins up on the board if he wants the #1 QB job. Playing well and still losing as he did at the end of last season won't cut it.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2022, 08:36:57 PM
IIRC Adams is making too much to be the # 2 QB. Could this result in a contract re-negotiation or release at some point?
I agree you cannot be a loser put up some numbers and expect to be the season long starter.
Adams is a bit of a mentally inept QB.
Physically is on par with other QBs
But mentally, I would say he is a "head case"
After this many games he should exercise more discretion. He could take a page out of om Brady's playbook. "Just take what the defence gives you."
The with his physical gifts run once or twice a game an slide.
Currently he seems to think he has to make big plays, way too much. ( he throws into coverage and voila, three ints later...)
It looked like the ALs owner were miserable.
Khari jumping around, was another fruitcake behaviour. Also he needs an offensive co-ordinator. Khari, should act as a head coach, not one of the boys. He needs to consult with other coaches when making some of those idiotic decisions, and even better he should have the OC, then he could at least fire that guy! Now he has to fire himself!!!
OH well he can always end up in Edmonton. Man do they have a bunch of has-beens, as assistant coaches. Those guys have looked bewildered the last two games. And they were good players. I doubt Jones gives them much respect.
Jones has staffed his roster with has been type guys. I guess he does not value his scouts. They need a younger RB back
And who was that receiver that was unstoppable four years ago? Mitchell or walker? He is invisible?
I noticed Kharis inappropriate behaviour as well....you wonder why Adams is an unstable headcase, well check out his head coach!!! Wow, just wow. How do you begin to take him seriously?? The answer is, you don?t.
Quote from: DM83 on June 23, 2022, 03:27:37 PM
Adams is a bit of a mentally inept QB.
Physically is on par with other QBs
But mentally, I would say he is a "head case"
After this many games he should exercise more discretion. He could take a page out of om Brady's playbook. "Just take what the defence gives you."
The with his physical gifts run once or twice a game an slide.
Currently he seems to think he has to make big plays, way too much. ( he throws into coverage and voila, three ints later...)
It looked like the ALs owner were miserable.
Khari jumping around, was another fruitcake behaviour. Also he needs an offensive co-ordinator. Khari, should act as a head coach, not one of the boys. He needs to consult with other coaches when making some of those idiotic decisions, and even better he should have the OC, then he could at least fire that guy! Now he has to fire himself!!!
OH well he can always end up in Edmonton. Man do they have a bunch of has-beens, as assistant coaches. Those guys have looked bewildered the last two games. And they were good players. I doubt Jones gives them much respect.
Jones has staffed his roster with has been type guys. I guess he does not value his scouts. They need a younger RB back
And who was that receiver that was unstoppable four years ago? Mitchell or walker? He is invisible?
sure Khari makes some ill advised decisions but I love his passion. You guys sound like grumpy old 80+ year old men with these statements. Guys will run through a wall for Khari. For sure.
Als RB is a young guy with Antwi and is Canadian.
I like the Als owner with is social media attitude. Mr Stern! lol
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 24, 2022, 01:08:25 AM
sure Khari makes some ill advised decisions but I love his passion.
Ya, Khari will do ok. He's a good fit for that team. I don't think he gets canned anytime soon.
Khari has been making much saner decisions than some I've seen from The Two Dickersons lately.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 24, 2022, 06:44:13 AM
Ya, Khari will do ok. He's a good fit for that team. I don't think he gets canned anytime soon.
Khari has been making much saner decisions than some I've seen from The Two Dickersons lately.
Big Dickie had a rough one yesterday. Team was poorly prepared from the get go. Maybe Montreal club life got in the way?
Quote from: The Zipp on June 16, 2022, 05:57:58 PM
i think AH will have 5 great games (including playoffs), 6 OK games, 2 bad games and miss the rest with injury.
So two games in...
Game one - ok game (partial miss due to injury)
Game two - bad game
Quote from: The Zipp on June 16, 2022, 05:57:58 PM
i think AH will have 5 great games (including playoffs), 6 OK games, 2 bad games and miss the rest with injury.
Pretty close. He will be rested up for the playoffs and get TO into the Grey Cup.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 16, 2022, 11:53:35 PM
Pretty close. He will be rested up for the playoffs and get TO into the Grey Cup.
lol pectoral injuries take a long time to recover.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2022, 01:49:41 AM
lol pectoral injuries take a long time to recover.
He also mite need surgery, which would end his season.
Surprise Surprise! Was just a matter of time until he hit the IR again with all those hits and injuries over the years.Still respect Andrew Harris for all he did as a Bomber (I even have his jersey), but his best durable days are behind him. Kyle Walters proves once again that even though Harris was a fan favourite and part of the heart of this team, sometimes you just need to move on for the benefit of the overall team. I just hope he did not burn so many bridges upon leaving that he would not be welcome back to the team in some capacity after he hangs it up.
Exactly why you dump highly paid old diva running backs. Not a popular one but another good call by KW.
TO could still implode and not even make the playoffs. Doesn't seem a happy place.
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Darn...even worse than I predicted in June, was hoping to see him in the playoffs and cup
The @TorontoArgos have determined that @andrewharris33?s 2022 season is over. Team was hopeful he would be back in 4-6 weeks but torn pec muscle requires season-ending surgery.
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Might be the career for him
That's a really bad injury and could be pretty serious considering his age. That's a brutal way to end a season.
Hoping he has a speedy recovery.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/argonauts-rb-andrew-harris-to-have-surgery-for-torn-pectoral-muscle-out-for-season/
Do we have an over/under on the "retirement at end of season"?
Did he even make it half a season? In the end Father Time will always win. Looks like the BB made the right choice to move on.
Just terrible news. Poor Andrew. Super good chance this is the end.
Not the way to go for a CFL legend.
No one wanted to see this. Maybe he comes back here next year on the cheap? :P
He is a pleasure to watch run. No question. This is reminiscent of Charlie off the BC for me.
Quote from: VictorRomano on August 17, 2022, 06:00:29 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/argonauts-rb-andrew-harris-to-have-surgery-for-torn-pectoral-muscle-out-for-season/
Do we have an over/under on the "retirement at end of season"?
Did he even make it half a season? In the end Father Time will always win. Looks like the BB made the right choice to move on.
He made it too game 8, less than half a season. His mind was saying go but his body finally said no.
Not good for his career but should be 100% recovery after rehab. It could have been worse. Best of luck to him, he'll never be forgotten here.
Pinball will get a bit of SMS relief, not sure how much money AH33 got up front...
Hate to see it end that way, in that uniform, and I've been an AH booster until the end of last year, but its looking like the right decision was made. Sure 20/20 hindsight... but getting any player, especially one with injury issues, to work out before signing is just prudent.
No idea what happened with his personal life, but it seems that had a big effect on his career. Would have hoped for him that his personal life would have been a comfort to him as his playing career wound down, but it looks like neither has really been great. I do hope he has support going forward.
Was it really hindsight, though? Harris was no doubt very productive in 2021 but he only played half the season.
The Bombers made a shrewd business move. This unfortunate development simply reinforces that, IMO.
Quote from: blue_or_die on August 17, 2022, 06:01:45 PM
Just terrible news. Poor Andrew. Super good chance this is the end.
Not the way to go for a CFL legend.
At the same time - was he going to leave the field any other way?
How does one get this injury? Never really heard of it much in the CFL. Was the injury play televised? I don't recall any weird hit on TV.
Quote from: DCM on August 17, 2022, 05:22:51 PM
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My wife said last night, if he needs surgery, he will not play another game this season.
That?s too bad and not th way to end the career, but we seen this coming. I hope as others have, he gets the support to put things back together and move on from football, and get his personal life in order.
A good course of Dianabol and he will be back for the playoffs...
He is a quick healer..don't count him out for the cup
Quote from: The Zipp on August 17, 2022, 11:40:01 PM
A good course of Dianabol and he will be back for the playoffs...
He is a quick healer..don't count him out for the cup
This the Rider forum?
This happened to Barrin Simpson when he was 31. Came back from it but only played a couple more years.
Was named a Western All-Star after his return.
https://www.cfl.ca/2009/06/11/simpson-back-from-injury-and-ready-to-go/
Yeah, likely just a torn muscle which heals 100% given time. The question is the age of Harris who at 35 is already pushing the limits of what an everyday back can do. Next year he would be doing it at 36.
I can see AH coming back to play next year because he wants too move up on the yards list to pass some of the other greats.
Quote from: Horseman on August 18, 2022, 03:13:33 PM
I can see AH coming back to play next year because he wants too move up on the yards list to pass some of the other greats.
would you like to see him here if The price is right?
Muscle repair takes time to get to 100%, and pecs are even harder to repair. Westerman's career ended with a tricep tear at about the same age...
As to those thinking he can heal up quick with roids... shame on you.
Quote from: Horseman on August 18, 2022, 03:13:33 PM
I can see AH coming back to play next year because he wants too move up on the yards list to pass some of the other greats.
I imagine he's been trying to catch Charles Roberts to make the top 5, how many yards left does he need?
Was actually hoping we'd face Andrew in Regina in November! Guess that's not happening now.....Father Time has finally caught up with him and perhaps he has one season left in him....and that's even doubtful at this stage in his long and storied career.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2022, 04:55:03 PM
I imagine he's been trying to catch Charles Roberts to make the top 5, how many yards let does he need?
Do you mean career or purely as a Blue Bomber?
Quote from: theaardvark on August 18, 2022, 03:43:17 PM
Muscle repair takes time to get to 100%, and pecs are even harder to repair. Westerman's career ended with a tricep tear at about the same age...
As to those thinking he can heal up quick with roids... shame on you.
who the heck was thinking that you think? ::)
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2022, 03:21:58 PM
would you like to see him here if The price is right?
No, I think that bridge has been burned.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 18, 2022, 05:19:26 PM
Do you mean career or purely as a Blue Bomber?
All-time CFL rushing leaders, Roberts stands 5th and I think Harris is aprox. 250 yds. behind him in 6th. If he could have attained 5th spot this season I think he would have retired at the end of the year. Now, who knows?
My message to AH33 is, get my Ford Lighting in before April, please. lol.
Sensational career.
Oak Park rules.
Time has told Amdrew " Enough is. Enough"
Crappy end to this season.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2022, 03:21:58 PM
would you like to see him here if The price is right?
Why not? Ya, bridge probably burned. But if the two sides can overlook that, why not hire AH on a pay-per-game basis only? He plays, he gets paid well. He's hurt, nearly nothing.
You could do worse than have AH in your arsenal just for 2-3 post-season games...
Not talking this year, of course: but next year once he's FA again
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2022, 09:02:25 PM
Why not? Ya, bridge probably burned. But if the two sides can overlook that, why not hire AH on a pay-per-game basis only? He plays, he gets paid well. He's hurt, nearly nothing.
You could do worse than have AH in your arsenal just for 2-3 post-season games...
Not talking this year, of course: but next year once he's FA again
Might be more difficult to do now that B.O. has begun to establish himself at RB, kind of a slap in the face to bring Harris back as the #1 RB unless they can get him to agree to wait for his turn behind Brady and even Johnny. Maybe he becomes a backup Natl. receiver and jack-of-all-trades handyman like Demski and plays when and wherever needed.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2022, 09:59:03 PM
Might be more difficult to do now that B.O. has begun to establish himself at RB, kind of a slap in the face to bring Harris back as the #1 RB unless they can get him to agree to wait for his turn behind Brady and even Johnny. Maybe he becomes a backup Natl. receiver and jack-of-all-trades handyman like Demski and plays when and wherever needed.
Why would we bring Harris back?! Because all the reasons not to sign him this off season will be doubly strong next off season.
Bring him back for one game to retire as a Bomber.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 18, 2022, 10:13:13 PM
Bring him back for one game to retire as a Bomber.
That signing makes sense!
Quote from: Pigskin on August 18, 2022, 10:13:13 PM
Bring him back for one game to retire as a Bomber.
Anything less would be a disappointment.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 18, 2022, 10:13:13 PM
Bring him back for one game to retire as a Bomber.
Anything less is inexcusable. I also want him to have a Cornish-type role for WFC, be at games sometimes on the sidelines, fan events, etc.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2022, 11:11:00 PM
Anything less is inexcusable. I also want him to have a Cornish-type role for WFC, be at games sometimes on the sidelines, fan events, etc.
Do you think this offseason's issues will be that easy to get past? I'm sure the team has no bad feelings, and would happily invite him back into the fold. But AH's feeling of betrayal, and his comments about "insulting contract" and his embracing the Argo's makes me wonder if the WFC still has the same place in his heart as it would had he retired last year...
Quote from: theaardvark on August 18, 2022, 11:40:57 PM
Do you think this offseason's issues will be that easy to get past? I'm sure the team has no bad feelings, and would happily invite him back into the fold. But AH's feeling of betrayal, and his comments about "insulting contract" and his embracing the Argo's makes me wonder if the WFC still has the same place in his heart as it would had he retired last year...
That's all random speculation and invented Aardvark drama. He's just an ancient running back with a ton of miles. Durability is seriously questionable and he's not fast enough for the position.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2022, 12:11:36 AM
That's all random speculation and invented Aardvark drama. He's just an ancient running back with a ton of miles. Durability is seriously questionable and he's not fast enough for the position.
It wasn't speculation, it was a *question*. No doubt the WFC would welcome him "home" on a one day, retirement contract. But my question was, does AH33 have a spot in his heart for us after the way he felt he was treated? He seemed pretty upset... does he still live in Winnipeg? Is that enough?
I think Andrew would rather live in Winnipeg than Toronto. He can establish himself in Winnipeg, based in his reputation as a football player. In Toronto, they probably don't even know who he is, compared to other sports stars, there.
He could even be hired for the coaching staff, or a media relations position, to get him started for life after football.
If he wasn't dissed off with the Bombers contract offer, he wouldn't be a football player( of Hall of Fame stature)
He will be back.
Quote from: DM83 on August 19, 2022, 08:20:06 PM
He could even be hired for the coaching staff, or a media relations position, to get him started for life after football.
He will be back.
Nailed it. WPG will always love AH. He will be welcome in any establishment. He will bring cred to any place using him for ads / spokesman. AH has an easy in / leg up here for anything he wants to do. Why not take advantage?
Quote from: DM83 on August 19, 2022, 08:20:06 PM
I think Andrew would rather live in Winnipeg than Toronto. He can establish himself in Winnipeg, based in his reputation as a football player. In Toronto, they probably don't even know who he is, compared to other sports stars, there.
He could even be hired for the coaching staff, or a media relations position, to get him started for life after football.
If he wasn't dissed off with the Bombers contract offer, he wouldn't be a football player( of Hall of Fame stature)
He will be back.
He has already started his after life football career. Investing in commercial building and selling vehicles at Mid Town Ford.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 16, 2022, 11:53:35 PM
Pretty close. He will be rested up for the playoffs and get TO into the Grey Cup.
Not far off..
I do think he will retire after today.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2022, 09:02:25 PM
Why not? Ya, bridge probably burned. But if the two sides can overlook that, why not hire AH on a pay-per-game basis only? He plays, he gets paid well. He's hurt, nearly nothing.
You could do worse than have AH in your arsenal just for 2-3 post-season games...
Not talking this year, of course: but next year once he's FA again
It will never happen. It would create too much disruption. If he continues to play, and I hope he does to move up the list, is he stays with TO. I also think if he continues that his body eventually just packs it in. He has been a very physical runner over his career and it takes it toll on the body
No way Harris takes BO20's job, and he won't work for JA27's contract...
Its the perfect time to call it a career.
Have to wonder if he was "randomly" tested after his return to action...just kidding...
Although Harris got his own 3peat, I'm not mad because it's not like he spent all year running the ball down teams' throats - Grey Cup game included.
Moving on to Brady was a good call and has positive long term ramifications.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 21, 2022, 09:36:42 PM
Although Harris got his own 3peat, I'm not mad because it's not like he spent all year running the ball down teams' throats - Grey Cup game included.
Moving on to Brady was a good call and has positive long term ramifications.
Totally agree, AH33 had a good 1st. quarter, and decent 1st. half, but in the second half we totally shut him down. BO20 had a very good game, just needs to improve his pass blocking a little more.
I wasn't the one who brought this thread back to life, but I will add that I'm happy for AH33, happy he got his revenge, happy he showed he still had it (sort of). I knew it was fairly likely we'd have a TOR/WPG GC back in the pre-season. Both teams were the early favorites.
But with what transpired this year, I still would have preferred to keep AH for this season. At most it would have cost us $80k. Then he'd be injured early on just like in TOR. And we'd have played BO20 for most games, just like TOR played AJ. Then AH could comeback for the playoffs and we could have done a BO20-mostly / AH-RB#2 setup like TOR did. If we won, AH gets his 3-peat and goes out a Winnipeg hero forever.
It could have been storybook. And why wasn't it? Because of $80k and some dickering over nonsense that we could have just overlooked to get the storybook ending. Smart business sense? Best player being fielded? No, probably not. But I would have preferred it.
In any event, AH is clearly going to retire. His body is done. He couldn't even play either playoff game without getting re-injured. He was on the trainer table each game. He can't perform like he did before. Retire a 3-peater and 4 time GC champ. Hopefully most/much of WPG can forgive him and the fubar situation in the last FA.
Keep in mind too he was away from his daughter for 6 months. That has to be tough as well.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 22, 2022, 06:08:30 AM
In any event, AH is clearly going to retire. His body is done. He couldn't even play either playoff game without getting re-injured. He was on the trainer table each game. He can't perform like he did before. Retire a 3-peater and 4 time GC champ. Hopefully most/much of WPG can forgive him and the fubar situation in the last FA.
He plays with a lot of hear and a lot of pride. I don't know if he's done just yet.
And forgive him...? For what?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 22, 2022, 06:08:30 AM
I wasn't the one who brought this thread back to life, but I will add that I'm happy for AH33, happy he got his revenge, happy he showed he still had it (sort of). I knew it was fairly likely we'd have a TOR/WPG GC back in the pre-season. Both teams were the early favorites.
But with what transpired this year, I still would have preferred to keep AH for this season. At most it would have cost us $80k. Then he'd be injured early on just like in TOR. And we'd have played BO20 for most games, just like TOR played AJ. Then AH could comeback for the playoffs and we could have done a BO20-mostly / AH-RB#2 setup like TOR did. If we won, AH gets his 3-peat and goes out a Winnipeg hero forever.
It could have been storybook. And why wasn't it? Because of $80k and some dickering over nonsense that we could have just overlooked to get the storybook ending. Smart business sense? Best player being fielded? No, probably not. But I would have preferred it.
In any event, AH is clearly going to retire. His body is done. He couldn't even play either playoff game without getting re-injured. He was on the trainer table each game. He can't perform like he did before. Retire a 3-peater and 4 time GC champ. Hopefully most/much of WPG can forgive him and the fubar situation in the last FA.
Or *HE* could have overlooked.
Also, like I said earlier, if he's mostly a non-factor, did he really get "revenge"?
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 22, 2022, 07:01:04 PM
Or *HE* could have overlooked.
Also, like I said earlier, if he's mostly a non-factor, did he really get "revenge"?
No not really other than happening be on the winning team.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 22, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
No not really other than happening be on the winning team.
AH33 led TOR in the GC in rushing: 10 for 55 and 5.5 avg, which precisely matches Brady also at 5.5 avg. He beat out AJ early in the game to be the main back. He had that amazing hurdle 16 yard run. Yes, he tailed off later in the game and AJ took over (for the TD, etc). But AJ only had 4.0 avg and a measly 24 yards on 6 carries.
I watched AH after the game from my seat (I stayed for the whole ceremony) and he was super pumped and stoked and trust me, at that moment he thought in his mind he got his revenge. He gets that third ring in a row and all his WPG team mates do not.
In the end, I just hope it all works out fine for him living out his years in WPG, and hope the city remembers him for what he did for this team, not for helping cause our heartbreaking defeat in 2022. Most here will be ok, but some are bitter (they've said so).
My favorite part of all of this is watching the (very) few openly-hostile Sask fans at Mosaic cheer for AH33. I yelled back to one "hey dude, never thought I'd see the day...".
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 23, 2022, 05:07:37 AM
AH33 led TOR in the GC in rushing: 10 for 55 and 5.5 avg, which precisely matches Brady also at 5.5 avg. He beat out AJ early in the game to be the main back. He had that amazing hurdle 16 yard run. Yes, he tailed off later in the game and AJ took over (for the TD, etc). But AJ only had 4.0 avg and a measly 24 yards on 6 carries.
I watched AH after the game from my seat (I stayed for the whole ceremony) and he was super pumped and stoked and trust me, at that moment he thought in his mind he got his revenge. He gets that third ring in a row and all his WPG team mates do not.
In the end, I just hope it all works out fine for him living out his years in WPG, and hope the city remembers him for what he did for this team, not for helping cause our heartbreaking defeat in 2022. Most here will be ok, but some are bitter (they've said so).
My favorite part of all of this is watching the (very) few openly-hostile Sask fans at Mosaic cheer for AH33. I yelled back to one "hey dude, never thought I'd see the day...".
AH had a good 1st. quarter and was okay in the 2nd. But in the 2nd. half the bombers totally shut him down. When Toronto needed the big plays late in the game, they turned to Quellette.
Defense did the job. They played good. They were out there all the time . offense couldnt get many first downs. Stopped them on 3rd down gamble. And stopped Givens . plus t.o got good field position svery punt.or kick. We get the ball at the goaline they catch it at the 20
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 22, 2022, 06:08:30 AM
I wasn't the one who brought this thread back to life, but I will add that I'm happy for AH33, happy he got his revenge, happy he showed he still had it (sort of). I knew it was fairly likely we'd have a TOR/WPG GC back in the pre-season. Both teams were the early favorites.
But with what transpired this year, I still would have preferred to keep AH for this season. At most it would have cost us $80k. Then he'd be injured early on just like in TOR. And we'd have played BO20 for most games, just like TOR played AJ. Then AH could comeback for the playoffs and we could have done a BO20-mostly / AH-RB#2 setup like TOR did. If we won, AH gets his 3-peat and goes out a Winnipeg hero forever.
It could have been storybook. And why wasn't it? Because of $80k and some dickering over nonsense that we could have just overlooked to get the storybook ending. Smart business sense? Best player being fielded? No, probably not. But I would have preferred it.
In any event, AH is clearly going to retire. His body is done. He couldn't even play either playoff game without getting re-injured. He was on the trainer table each game. He can't perform like he did before. Retire a 3-peater and 4 time GC champ. Hopefully most/much of WPG can forgive him and the fubar situation in the last FA.
Where did you pull that out of? As far as I know he was offered more than that and that's what offended him. He refused to be paid less than the other RBs.
Quote from: Jesse on November 23, 2022, 01:59:04 PM
Where did you pull that out of? As far as I know he was offered more than that and that's what offended him. He refused to be paid less than the other RBs.
I was told he was offered a base salary of $125K. BO20 got 92K, and JA27 90K.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 23, 2022, 05:07:37 AM
AH33 led TOR in the GC in rushing: 10 for 55 and 5.5 avg, which precisely matches Brady also at 5.5 avg. He beat out AJ early in the game to be the main back. He had that amazing hurdle 16 yard run. Yes, he tailed off later in the game and AJ took over (for the TD, etc). But AJ only had 4.0 avg and a measly 24 yards on 6 carries.
I watched AH after the game from my seat (I stayed for the whole ceremony) and he was super pumped and stoked and trust me, at that moment he thought in his mind he got his revenge. He gets that third ring in a row and all his WPG team mates do not.
Hilarious how you'll overvalue Harris' contribution but undervalue Oullette's despite the fact it was the latter who scored points, which is what's needed to win games.
Your anecdote in bold is evidence of nothing, BTW. The "trust me bro" line is particularly comical to prop up this revenge narrative you've fabricated, going so far as to claim you know exactly what he was thinking while celebrating with his team. Come off it.
Your lack of objectivity, revisionist history, and made up claims with the whole Harris situation are just laughable.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 23, 2022, 02:21:42 PM
I was told he was offered a base salary of $125K. BO20 got 92K, and JA27 90K.
The CFL needs to start making contract figures and salaries public.
It would be interesting to see salaries public but in reality there is no real value / need for the CFL to do so. There is an SMS and teams spend accordingly. Some players will be under paid or over paid based on their perceived performance.
There are no guarantees that a player that played very well in 2022 will exceed that performance the following season or vice versa.
It's like trying to predict injuries across the entire roster over an entire season.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 23, 2022, 04:34:58 PM
It would be interesting to see salaries public but in reality there is no real value / need for the CFL to do so.
Accountability. Transparency.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2022, 04:39:33 PM
Accountability. Transparency.
Accountability to what? What difference does it make to know Collaros earns $600K or $400K? Accountability is done by CFL controlling the SMS and total spend. A team can be fortunate to have a rookie Canadian QB on and ELC or a veteran QB earning the highest salary on the team. Or a rookie import receiver ( Schoen ) on an ELC versus a veteran like Lawler getting $300K. Could we have known Schoen would be such a find or Lawler would miss 1/2the season?
Net result is the same. Which teams get the best bang for their buck? Spend the SMS where you think it is the best advantage to the entire roster.
Fans often get some transparency about salaries. There is one for the Bombers already. In some cases we'll argue this guy or that guy is getting too much or too little. It's a marketplace and nothing out of the ordinary.
I'm not opposed to complete salary info but it may create more problems that it solves.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 23, 2022, 04:48:51 PM
Accountability to what? What difference does it make to know Collaros earns $600K or $400K? Accountability is done by CFL controlling the SMS and total spend. A team can be fortunate to have a rookie Canadian QB on and ELC or a veteran QB earning the highest salary on the team. Or a rookie import receiver ( Schoen ) on an ELC versus a veteran like Lawler getting $300K. Could we have known Schoen would be such a find or Lawler would miss 1/2the season?
Net result is the same. Which teams get the best bang for their buck? Spend the SMS where you think it is the best advantage to the entire roster.
Fans often get some transparency about salaries. There is one for the Bombers already. In some cases we'll argue this guy or that guy is getting too much or too little. It's a marketplace and nothing out of the ordinary.
I'm not opposed to complete salary info but it may create more problems that it solves.
Accountability/transparency to the fans who support a league that relies heavily on gate-driven revenue. Accountability/transparency to the media who covers and reports on the league, some of whom are fans themselves. Accountability/transparency to the shareholder/stakeholders who contribute to the league's financial health/viability.
I just can't understand the ostensible secrecy surrounding player salaries and outsiders often being left to speculate or theorize on figures.
It's not an issue for other leagues.
And I'm at a loss to see what problems could come from making those figures public and accessible to everyone.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2022, 05:07:31 PM
Accountability/transparency to the fans who support a league that relies heavily on gate-driven revenue. Accountability/transparency to the media who covers and reports on the league, some of whom are fans themselves. Accountability/transparency to the shareholder/stakeholders who contribute to the league's financial health/viability.
I just can't understand the ostensible secrecy surrounding player salaries and outsiders often being left to speculate or theorize on figures.
It's not an issue for other leagues.
And I'm at a loss to see what problems could come from making those figures public and accessible to everyone.
IMO you're barking up the wrong tree for useless information. We have an SMS and we hear whether teams over spend. The team that spends the most doesn't necessarily win and the team that spends less but wisely may win it all. NOTE: Some teams are public teams and that information is probably available if we choose to find out.
Generally we have an idea of what all the starting QB's earn. Did knowing what Reilly made in 2021 really change anything except raise the salary levels in 2022? Does knowing what Collaros will earn in 2023 raise salaries for the free agent QB's? I don't expect any to earn more than Collaros but they may earn more than might have otherwise.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing when QB's earn 10% of the total SMS spend? It could be argued either way. We could easily say the Lions paying Rourke on an ELC got the best bang for their buck of any player in the CFL. That's the opposite of what happened with what was paid to Reilly in 2021.
Some have suggested capping salaries by position. Others just want the minimums to be raised. All are good arguments but the SMS is spent across the roster. Increase the bottom means less spent at the top ELC or vice versus.
As a fan I don't care how they spend it or where. I care about the net results of how the team does and whether they seemed to have made the correct decisions. That's only partially calculable due to injuries to key highly paid players.
Take Ottawa for example. Masoli probably got a good salary although I don't specifically what he earned. However his injury was luck of the draw. Would they have done better if they had chosen another QB in free agency? Who knows.
We have many potential free agents going into 2023 . Many will get re-signed and that will mean we'll lose some we want to keep but can't afford to retain. It doesn't mean those getting more didn't earn new contracts.
Quote from: Jesse on November 23, 2022, 01:59:04 PM
Where did you pull that out of? As far as I know he was offered more than that and that's what offended him. He refused to be paid less than the other RBs.
The $80k I mentioned was what I'm guessing the difference was between what we offered AH (roughly $80k-$90k) and what he would have stayed for ($160k-$170k). How do I know he'd have stayed for $160k? Because that's what TOR paid him. And he wanted to stay.
So screwing up the storybook ending basically saved us $80k. Reread my original post with the understanding of the above paragraph if you want to know what I was saying.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 23, 2022, 02:21:42 PM
I was told he was offered a base salary of $125K. BO20 got 92K, and JA27 90K.
If that is true, then the extra cost was $40k and the situation is more laughable. I'm pretty sure most here thought/agree AH was offerred less than BO/JA, so not sure if you're $125k is correct. Doesn't matter, as my point still stands as long as we offered AH more than $80k and TOR paid him $160k (or more).
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2022, 02:27:46 PM
Your anecdote in bold is evidence of nothing, BTW. The "trust me bro" line is particularly comical to prop up this revenge narrative you've fabricated, going so far as to claim you know exactly what he was thinking while celebrating with his team. Come off it.
Were you there? The Jumbotron had AH jumping and dancing around right when the clock hit 0:00 just like he was in CGY winning the 2019 GC. You believe what you want.
The word "revenge" was said to AH in many pressers (available on the web sites), TSN interviews, and TSN panel talking points. I'm not positive AH ever actually said the word "revenge", but he didn't correct interviewers when they clearly said that word to him. It's not really my narrative, it's basically everyone in the media's narrative.
And there's something called human nature. It's pretty much common knowledge that when you play your old team, you want to beat them and show them up. Maybe the best word isn't "revenge", but it's the one that's used all the time. Can you think of a better word?
I don't know exactly what AH is thinking. But I can read his body language, think objectively about the situation, and understand player mentality as has been proven over the years. I'm not exactly sure what it is you're trying to shoot down. Are you trying to say "AH definitely isn't thinking about revenge"? Or are you trying to say that players in his situation don't think about revenge? Or are you just trying to say that I don't know anything and thus should not be able to make educated guesses about a player's mindset?
It's a fan forum. All we do is speculate and try our best to interpret the limited information we are presented with. Not sure why this particular one rubs you the wrong way.
Quote from: Jesse on November 23, 2022, 06:40:09 PM
It's all useless information when it comes down to it. But increases in transparency increase engagement.
Yes. Did you guys ever visit the BC Lions website the week we were going up against them for the WDF? I was thoroughly impressed that they have all sorts of fan engagement videos that no one else has. They have locker room videos of sensitive things, like post-game after their loss in the WDF. They have deeper discussions with many more players.
They are doing the fan engagement thing right, as they are going after the younger / tech-savvy market to get new fans. People want the "reality tv show" type thing, like watching them all pout in the locker room after a big loss.
The rest of the CFL should follow suit.