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Title: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on January 31, 2022, 04:29:29 AM
This thread is strictly for Free Agency news about the Bombers.  Will open this with a rumour or two...

Farhan Lalji
@FarhanLaljiTSN
19m
Hearing #Bombers and rec Drew Wolitarsky have agreed to terms in a 2-year extension.
Also hearing C Michael Couture likely to re-sign in Wpg.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2022, 04:52:05 AM
Both would be great signing for the bombers.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on January 31, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
Nicely done.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on January 31, 2022, 04:04:39 PM
Woli is a key pc coming back. This would be great news..


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on January 31, 2022, 05:45:08 PM
Couture and Woli. back are big. That's two proven high caliber CDN starters. IF true we managed to keep almost our entire O-line intact and almost our entire D-line intact. (I also believe Kongbo will be back in 2022)

Losing Lawler would suck.... the guy can ball....but we can't afford everyone and I would much rather try and replace a star American receiver then a high caliber CDN starter or American DE or OT.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on January 31, 2022, 05:52:30 PM
Blue Bombers agree to terms with receiver Drew Wolitarsky

WINNIPEG, MB., January 31, 2022 - The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the club has agreed to terms on a two-year contract extension with Canadian receiver Drew Wolitarsky, who was scheduled to become a free agent next week.

Wolitarsky (602, 225; University of Minnesota; born: March 22, 1995, in Santa Clarita, CA) returns to the Blue Bombers for a fifth season in 2022.

He dressed and started all 14 regular-season games in 2021, plus the Western Final and the 108th Grey Cup victory and finished with 32 receptions for 386 yards and one touchdown. He added six more catches in the two playoff games, including a Grey Cup performance in which he pulled in four passes for 48 yards ? all of them in the club?s fourth-quarter rally.

Wolitarsky was chosen by the club in a 2017 Canadian Football League Supplemental Draft, with the club forfeiting a third-round selection in the 2018 CFL Draft to select him.

He made his CFL debut on October 6th, 2017, and has suited up for 54 games over his first four seasons, with 111 career receptions for 1,412 yards and 10 touchdowns.

Wolitarsky finished his days at the University of Minnesota tied for eighth all-time in receptions with 130 and was named an All-Big Ten Third-Team All-Star Academic All-Big Ten as a senior. He was also named an Academic All-Big Ten in 2014, his sophomore season.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2022, 06:09:38 PM
Huh??? Bad news if true.

Farhan Lalji
@FarhanLaljiTSN
I expect he'll resign with #Bombers. But important to note that Alexander had ACL surgery following the Grey Cup and is expected to miss half the season in 2022 while rehabbing. @CFLonTSN #CFLFA


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on January 31, 2022, 06:10:12 PM
Huh??? Bad news if true.

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Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Horseman on January 31, 2022, 06:14:11 PM
Huh??? Bad news if true.

Farhan Lalji
@FarhanLaljiTSN
I expect he'll resign with #Bombers. But important to note that Alexander had ACL surgery following the Grey Cup and is expected to miss half the season in 2022 while rehabbing. @CFLonTSN #CFLFA

If true Alexander will be ready to return by late June or early July, speaking experience from having both my ACL's replaced.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on January 31, 2022, 06:25:23 PM
Huh??? Bad news if true.

Farhan Lalji
@FarhanLaljiTSN
I expect he'll resign with #Bombers. But important to note that Alexander had ACL surgery following the Grey Cup and is expected to miss half the season in 2022 while rehabbing. @CFLonTSN #CFLFA


I believe he hurt himself celebrating.....if what I heard is true....


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2022, 06:34:02 PM
Huh??? Bad news if true.

Farhan Lalji
@FarhanLaljiTSN
I expect he'll resign with #Bombers. But important to note that Alexander had ACL surgery following the Grey Cup and is expected to miss half the season in 2022 while rehabbing. @CFLonTSN #CFLFA

Well that's not good especially that we also lost Alford from our secondary. This could mean we choose to go with Hallett at safety. That would also help with the ratio after losing Kongbo on defence.

It also means that SMS money can be shifted to retaining the other DB's that are currently potential free agents.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2022, 07:59:03 PM
Well that's not good especially that we also lost Alford from our secondary. This could mean we choose to go with Hallett at safety. That would also help with the ratio after losing Kongbo on defence.

It also means that SMS money can be shifted to retaining the other DB's that are currently potential free agents.

Most likely a Hallett but could also shuffle Darby or Jones to Safety if they can solve the ratio puzzle elsewhere.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on January 31, 2022, 08:03:57 PM
How,are the ACLs?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: bludan on January 31, 2022, 08:25:48 PM
Got our centre back.

https://3downnation.com/2022/01/31/blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-on-extension-with-cflpa-all-star-centre-michael-couture/


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on January 31, 2022, 08:47:30 PM
Signing Couture is a huge deal for us to maintain the strength of the o line, frankly I'm surprised BC didn't make a serious run/offer for him. I hope we still try to reaquire Speller  for depth.
Update BC did make an offer for 200 k according to Farnan Lalji, he took 180 to play here.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on January 31, 2022, 09:06:44 PM
I would love to get Speller back specially if we dont get Eli back. Not sure of if Speller is vaxxed though he was in Argos suspended list last year.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: bludan on January 31, 2022, 09:17:09 PM
Which players are we hoping we can bring in to replace a few of our holes?  Speller would be great. Who else is realistic?  No leaks about us making offers to players from other teams yet.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2022, 09:55:40 PM
Most likely a Hallett but could also shuffle Darby or Jones to Safety if they can solve the ratio puzzle elsewhere.

Solving the ratio elsewhere could be difficult but not yet impossible in free agency. Either a DT or DE would be preferable as it also fits a need for rotation on the DL.

I'd like both Darby and Jones back but we're waiting to see if that happens shortly. Darby in particular could play there but then it creates a change at SAM and he had a very good season there.

I'm not totally convinced that Maston or Johnson will be back and wasn't even expecting offers to put out to them. Part of that was due to injuries but also wanting Darby back.

Happy we re-signed Couture. Another big piece of the puzzle on the OL and sustaining our ratio and OL depth at the same time. That said I wouldn't mind Eli back as depth if they can resolve the vax situation.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2022, 10:03:55 PM
 Nice to have Couture back, but another 1 year deal.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dizzycamper on January 31, 2022, 10:04:35 PM
Which players are we hoping we can bring in to replace a few of our holes?  Speller would be great. Who else is realistic?  No leaks about us making offers to players from other teams yet.

To get Cody Speller back with the o-line group would be great and a good option. Besides him, would like to see Liam Dobson here at the start of training camp... I'm sure the Bombers will draft an o-line prospect(s) at pick 9 or 18...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2022, 10:10:55 PM
To get Cody Speller back with the o-line group would be great and a good option. Besides him, would like to see Liam Dobson here at the start of training camp... I'm sure the Bombers will draft an o-line prospect(s) at pick 9 or 18...

Yah, I see Walters traded his playing rights just before 2021 F.A. began, maybe as part of the Collaros deal?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2022, 10:13:29 PM
The injury to BA37 is not good. However the Hallett brother my be able to take position on until he gets back. We also have Patrice Rene coming in to TC at 6-2, 205 this kid mite also fit in a Safety.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2022, 10:47:39 PM
The injury to BA37 is not good. However the Hallett brother my be able to take position on until he gets back. We also have Patrice Rene coming in to TC at 6-2, 205 this kid mite also fit in a Safety.

Rene has good press clipping but it's been said he might try to catch on with an NFL deal. In any case it's a lot to ask for a rookie to step in immediately at safety if he comes to TC.

So my best guess as of today is Nick Hallett if Alexander is not available due to injury.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on January 31, 2022, 11:11:00 PM
I would like to see these guys re-signed prior to FA: Harris, Oliveira, Alexander, Darby, Rose, Bailey and Hansen
then I'm OK whoever signs somewhere.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 31, 2022, 11:12:27 PM
Yup sucks to hear Alexander. That explains him not resigning yet. If he got hurt celebrating that is disgustingly sad if so.

Love to retain 2 of Darby Rose and Jones!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: bludan on February 01, 2022, 01:57:48 AM
Farhan Lalji
@FarhanLaljiTSN
?
21m
Hearing CB Winston Rose has agreed to terms on a 1-year extension with the #Bombers.
@CFLonTSN


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 01, 2022, 02:06:54 AM
Nice boundary is now taken cared off with Rose and Nichols.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2022, 02:46:43 AM
I would like to see these guys re-signed prior to FA: Harris, Oliveira, Alexander, Darby, Rose, Bailey and Hansen
then I'm OK whoever signs somewhere.

I wouldn't like to lose Grant or Richardson either. Castillo for the right money. Mike Jones and Taylor played very well in the secondary. What about Adams? You're not giving these guys credit for their contribution.

They are on my list. More so than Hansen frankly although he gets the low Global salary and we need rotation at DE and finding ANY decent Global is not easy.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 01, 2022, 03:25:16 AM
I wouldn't like to lose Grant or Richardson either. Castillo for the right money. Mike Jones and Taylor played very well in the secondary. What about Adams? You're not giving these guys credit for their contribution.

They are on my list. More so than Hansen frankly although he gets the low Global salary and we need rotation at DE and finding ANY decent Global is not easy.

I like Grant but he might look somewhere where he can be a regular in O just like Lucky. Stove might be looking for a big bump. Castillo said his giving NFL one last try. Adams, Taylor, Jones, Augustine, I like them all and I like them all back. The reality is we cant re-sign them all if everyone is looking for a raise. The 6 (now 5) I mentioned is my own wish list.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 01, 2022, 03:50:15 AM
Rose is another big piece of our D.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2022, 01:47:35 PM
I like Grant but he might look somewhere where he can be a regular in O just like Lucky. Stove might be looking for a big bump. Castillo said his giving NFL one last try. Adams, Taylor, Jones, Augustine, I like them all and I like them all back. The reality is we cant re-sign them all if everyone is looking for a raise. The 6 (now 5) I mentioned is my own wish list.

I don't know that Grant will get any offers as full time receiver. He hasn't had much opportunity to do that even in Winnipeg. Essentially a raw talent in that area. So other teams might want to give him more of a chance beyond returner duties.

While that's true I don't think it creates an increase above the Bombers being competitive in re-signing him.

Adams, Taylor, Jones could be casualties to the SMS but that might ride more on whether Harris returns. If he doesn't that frees up some cash.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 01, 2022, 06:23:44 PM
Rose is renewed.  Boundary side taken care of....


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 01, 2022, 07:17:21 PM
Ellingson would be a great target if they cant keep lawler. I bet he would have a career resurgence here. Kind of like how our Qb did...And he might come with a lower price tag.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2022, 08:50:09 PM
Have any teams made offers to our potential free agents besides the Lawler offer from the Lions?

Have the Bombers made any offers to players from other teams?

Not much info right now.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on February 01, 2022, 09:53:15 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Michael Ball
@therealballsy
9h
I have a legit question:  What is going on in WPG  with the @Wpg_BlueBombers
? How can they re-sign all these players? Why would a player take way less to stay in WPG? We are talking about CFL money not NFL money! Something is up IMO. Follow the Lawler situation closely. #CFL


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 01, 2022, 11:06:03 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Michael Ball
@therealballsy
9h
I have a legit question:  What is going on in WPG  with the @Wpg_BlueBombers
? How can they re-sign all these players? Why would a player take way less to stay in WPG? We are talking about CFL money not NFL money! Something is up IMO. Follow the Lawler situation closely. #CFL

Lions pay $200K for Whitehead and offer Lawler $250K and someone is wondering what's going on in Wpg?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 02, 2022, 01:16:22 AM
Ya and they have a rookie unproven Qb with no backup throwing them the ball!!! The folks on the west coast are a tad slow....

I say Lawler is using the bc offer to get the best deal he can here. Why anyone would want to play for the loser Lions is beyond me


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Nic16 on February 02, 2022, 02:35:00 AM
It goes without saying, but I?ll say it anyway?Walters is very good at his job! And O?Shea makes it much easier for him.

I remember a few yrs back when Walters & O?Shea were extended, certain ?know it all? members on the Rider forum were so happy & sure that the BB were going in the wrong direction.

I got 3 words for them now?Back to Back!

But oh geez wait a second, they wouldn?t know what that is.  ;D


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 02, 2022, 03:52:03 AM
Most teams are now trying to duplicate what we have been doing since MOS and Mr. Walters got here.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dizzycamper on February 02, 2022, 06:16:23 AM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Michael Ball
@therealballsy
9h
I have a legit question:  What is going on in WPG  with the @Wpg_BlueBombers
? How can they re-sign all these players? Why would a player take way less to stay in WPG? We are talking about CFL money not NFL money! Something is up IMO. Follow the Lawler situation closely. #CFL

Believe this to be the one of the Sportscage individuals (Ballsy) out of Regina 620 CKRM.   The voice of the Riders, Derek Taylor hosts all good things about the Riders... No need to say any more!!!!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: NewBlue on February 02, 2022, 11:53:56 AM
Yup, I had a feeling that would be from someone with a green bedroom.....


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2022, 01:27:51 PM
Lions pay $200K for Whitehead and offer Lawler $250K and someone is wondering what's going on in Wpg?

He's just crusty because it's in his greenie DNA to hate all things Bombers, especially their recent success.

Believe this to be the one of the Sportscage individuals (Ballsy) out of Regina 620 CKRM.   The voice of the Riders, Derek Taylor hosts all good things about the Riders... No need to say any more!!!!

What a loser.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: booch on February 02, 2022, 02:31:01 PM
Gotta say...Walter is killing it...and the hard work and patience building what this Team is all about now is paying off big time....guys will stick around for less, and be happy about it...I doubt we have less than 3/4's of the squad back....and that is huge!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2022, 02:48:17 PM
Bailey re-signs! Love it.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 02, 2022, 02:56:24 PM
Gotta say...Walter is killing it...and the hard work and patience building what this Team is all about now is paying off big time....guys will stick around for less, and be happy about it...I doubt we have less than 3/4's of the squad back....and that is huge!

Still one third of starters unsigned, along with key back ups and specialists like a kicker, replacement for Kongbo or our two RBs.

Lots of work to do yet, but considering where we started from, excellent progress.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 02, 2022, 03:10:33 PM
Bailey has signed a new 1 year deal.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 02, 2022, 03:34:21 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Michael Ball
@therealballsy
9h
I have a legit question:  What is going on in WPG  with the @Wpg_BlueBombers
? How can they re-sign all these players? Why would a player take way less to stay in WPG? We are talking about CFL money not NFL money! Something is up IMO. Follow the Lawler situation closely. #CFL

Haha... if Riders fans or pundits are mad I am happy! We must be doing something right!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 02, 2022, 04:43:46 PM
Haha... if Riders fans or pundits are mad I am happy! We must be doing something right!

Indeed. They've been mad for well over two years now. ;D


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 02, 2022, 06:22:49 PM
Anyone hearing anything about the negotiations with A. Harris? I asked in another string about whether Oliveria or Augustine had offers put in by other teams. Somehow I lost track of which string or whether anybody updated the info.

By now the team should be have a clearer understanding of those issues. Hopefully we are able to re-sign 2 of our 3 RB's before free agency.  But it might take until a day or two just before Feb 8 th

Beyond RB I think one of Darby, Richardson and Grant are the next mostly likely to get new deals.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 02, 2022, 06:36:33 PM
Not hearing alot of chatter about Adams. Is he signed for next year?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 02, 2022, 07:26:05 PM
Haha... if Riders fans or pundits are mad I am happy! We must be doing something right!

I am a Riders fan and have no issue with BC and the money they are spending.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blueraid on February 02, 2022, 07:56:28 PM
I'd like to see some action with our running backs....Could be there's a lot hinging on what Andrew decides to do, so talks with the other guys can be more definite.....Really want to see Richardson re-upped.....this guy is a large difference maker in the middle of our D line....Darby would be nice to and the way things seem to be falling in place I would expect him to re-sign soon


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 02, 2022, 08:09:55 PM
Maston is back.... 

Winnipeg Blue Bombers@Wpg_BlueBombers
M E R C YRed exclamation mark symbol

The club has agreed to terms on a one-year contract extension with Mercy Maston.

Memo ? http://bit.ly/347JcCu
#ForTheW @canadalifeco


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 02, 2022, 08:13:08 PM
Maston is back.... 

Winnipeg Blue Bombers@Wpg_BlueBombers
M E R C YRed exclamation mark symbol

The club has agreed to terms on a one-year contract extension with Mercy Maston.

Memo ? http://bit.ly/347JcCu
#ForTheW @canadalifeco

I guess that mean Darby is not returning? Maston was a good player but thought we'd be leaning more towards Darby. He may have other plans. Maston could also be considered to playing at DHB??


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 02, 2022, 08:24:05 PM
Maston  was a great sam lb , and if healthy that position is in great hands. Would love to see Darby as safety til Alexander gets back and insurance for both positions. I believe that he can play hb as well.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 02, 2022, 08:46:22 PM
I am not counting Darby out yet.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 02, 2022, 10:24:33 PM
Maston  was a great sam lb , and if healthy that position is in great hands. Would love to see Darby as safety til Alexander gets back and insurance for both positions. I believe that he can play hb as well.

Yeah, I was just thinking that he hasn't played in 2 years and Darby played 7 weeks ago.  It comes down to health but yes he could play at safety or DHB. OTOH the fact he hasn't signed might be an indication he's going back east?  He is from Arizona so there is that.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Waffler on February 02, 2022, 10:33:46 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Michael Ball
@therealballsy
9h
I have a legit question:  What is going on in WPG  with the @Wpg_BlueBombers
? How can they re-sign all these players? Why would a player take way less to stay in WPG? We are talking about CFL money not NFL money! Something is up IMO. Follow the Lawler situation closely. #CFL

Miss-direction intended to hide the shenanigans the Riders plan this season. Anyone trying to stop their rightful Grey Cup win at home is surely cheating more than they are. No other explanation.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 02, 2022, 10:53:43 PM
5 days to get a few more starters signed. I am surprised we haven't signed a RB yet. Also surprised that we haven't inked the Germany Wrecking Ball (Hansen) yet.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 02, 2022, 11:16:18 PM
Miss-direction intended to hide the shenanigans the Riders plan this season. Anyone trying to stop their rightful Grey Cup win at home is surely cheating more than they are. No other explanation.
if they get Lawler they don?t have a QB or a Oline to get Kenny the ball as much as he would prefer.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jets on February 02, 2022, 11:17:27 PM
5 days to get a few more starters signed. I am surprised we haven't signed a RB yet. Also surprised that we haven't inked the Germany Wrecking Ball (Hansen) yet.

Have a feeling we're nearly capped out.  I'd bet on maybe one more DB (Mike Jones?) and Olivera.  Maybe one of Grant or Adams at receiver as well, but I'm assuming Stove, Alexander (inj), Taylor/Darby/Johnson, McGuire & Eli are all replaced on the roster by rookies.  Potentially also Harris returns at a heavy discount as well as a rotational RB, but we can't possibly have much cash left to spend on anyone.  I'd be pleasantly surprised to be wrong though.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 02, 2022, 11:50:09 PM
I would think Walters haven't talked (about $) to Harris and Oliveira yet. It's safe to assume that those two will not go anywhere.
Harris, just like the others would want to chase another Grey Cup before going out while Oliveira knows he's the heir apparent.
Would suck to see Augustine go but there's Borsa as the 3rd back.

One would think there's $ reserved for them and it's just a matter what $ are to be agreed. Maybe that will happen after Walters are done talking with the DBs and the WRs.



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 03, 2022, 12:57:01 PM
Have a feeling we're nearly capped out.  I'd bet on maybe one more DB (Mike Jones?) and Olivera.  Maybe one of Grant or Adams at receiver as well, but I'm assuming Stove, Alexander (inj), Taylor/Darby/Johnson, McGuire & Eli are all replaced on the roster by rookies.  Potentially also Harris returns at a heavy discount as well as a rotational RB, but we can't possibly have much cash left to spend on anyone.  I'd be pleasantly surprised to be wrong though.

Why would you assume that? We hear posters thinking we're tapped out early way before TC. SMS counting aside from early payments doesn't start until rosters are declared.

There are still 15 players from 2021 not re-signed yet. We lost 3 to the NFL. I doubt we're going to have 18 rookies on the 2022 roster.



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 03, 2022, 01:32:03 PM
Johnny Aug back for 2 more years! Other 2? hmmmm


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 03, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
Andrew Harris money has been invested in other players and in my opinion is the right move by Walters.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 03, 2022, 01:51:57 PM
Johnny Aug back for 2 more years! Other 2? hmmmm

Got Too Assume 33 isn't coming back. Need another home town boy Brady...

Like to see a big fish receiver..


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 03, 2022, 01:56:36 PM
Re-signing frenzy has picked up across the CFL. I suppose players and teams know which other team has made offers to their players. That should move decisions one way or the other for players after assessing financial interest elsewhere?

Our list is getting smaller considering a few I don't expect back for one reason or another. My expectation is down to 8 players I think we can re-sign. We'll see what today brings unless the Augustine is the only announcement. Most days are only one announcement but Feb 8th is approaching.



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 03, 2022, 01:58:14 PM
Got Too Assume 33 isn't coming back. Need another home town boy Brady...

Like to see a big fish receiver..

You could be correct and he may have chosen to retire after consecutive Grey Cup wins. I suppose that would be the time to do so but IMO he's still capable at playing at a high level.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 03, 2022, 02:27:27 PM
Is it possible for Harris to be a player/coach? I mean he can let the other 3 RBs (Augustine, Oliveira & Borsa) run the rock early and probably start playing LDC onwards.
Also by doing that he can sign a smaller $ as player but get $ as a coach. I dont know how that works on the cap though. Just throwing it out there.  ;D   


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 03, 2022, 03:08:58 PM
In an official capacity, much like the NBA, the current CBA between the NFL and the NFL Players Association prohibits official player-coaches due to teams using it to circumvent the salary cap.

Have too assume the CFL has similar rules. Makes sense with the front office salary cap as well.

Cant see anyway the CFL allow 33 to play/coach, and keep the ratio. Sets up for huge nightmares down the road.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 03:13:52 PM
You could be correct and he may have chosen to retire after consecutive Grey Cup wins. I suppose that would be the time to do so but IMO he's still capable at playing at a high level.

I could still see him taking a team friendly deal in a rotational/mentor role. I just can't see him being done yet.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 03, 2022, 03:29:44 PM
I could still see him taking a team friendly deal in a rotational/mentor role. I just can't see him being done yet.

That's what we're hoping for but until we see something more conclusive it's a big question. IIRC in 2019 he was at $180K. In 2021 he had a reduced pro-rated salary which might have been $120K??

Even at that, it's $60K above an ELC which means $60K that isn't used elsewhere potentially.

Tick tick tick. Who re-signs 1st, Oliveria or A. Harris?

Did Oliveria get offers from other teams ( Ottawa )?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 03, 2022, 03:53:52 PM
That's what we're hoping for but until we see something more conclusive it's a big question. IIRC in 2019 he was at $180K. In 2021 he had a reduced pro-rated salary which might have been $120K??

Even at that, it's $60K above an ELC which means $60K that isn't used elsewhere potentially.

Tick tick tick. Who re-signs 1st, Oliveria or A. Harris?

Did Olivero get offers from other teams ( Ottawa )?

It doesn't make a lot of sense that Brady would be the one moving on when his football career is laid out in front of him so perfectly, all he has to do is keep following the yellow brick road.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 03, 2022, 04:21:06 PM
That's what we're hoping for but until we see something more conclusive it's a big question. IIRC in 2019 he was at $180K. In 2021 he had a reduced pro-rated salary which might have been $120K??

Even at that, it's $60K above an ELC which means $60K that isn't used elsewhere potentially.

Tick tick tick. Who re-signs 1st, Oliveria or A. Harris?

Did Oliveria get offers from other teams ( Ottawa )?

I assume Oliveria received offers from 2 - 3 clubs.    No evidence, just speculation based on CFL availability.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 04:38:43 PM
It doesn't make a lot of sense that Brady would be the one moving on when his football career is laid out in front of him so perfectly, all he has to do is keep following the yellow brick road.

Pretty sure his performance in AH33's absence, and the reason you quoted, are why he would be the most logical one to garner lucrative offers.  JA27 has had opportunities to show his stuff that BO20 hasn't.  BO20 is 4 years younger, and has a career in front of him.  If he chose to stay here, of course he's the next AH33 for years to come.  And that still might happen.  But other teams looking for a ratio breaking RB with his career in front of him will see his value...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 03, 2022, 05:39:33 PM
It doesn't make a lot of sense that Brady would be the one moving on when his football career is laid out in front of him so perfectly, all he has to do is keep following the yellow brick road.

Another team could have offered him a more immediate opportunity to start and may have offered more money than the Bombers.

I agree his best option would seem to be Winnipeg. OTOH we haven't heard why offers may have been registered.

It would be great if he re-signs in Winnipeg. Waiting to see that happen.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 03, 2022, 07:05:34 PM
Anyone hear rumours about Harris going to BC?????    Not trolling, just asking.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 07:31:44 PM
Anyone hear rumours about Harris going to BC?????    Not trolling, just asking.

No. Have you?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 03, 2022, 07:37:18 PM
Anyone hear rumours about Harris going to BC?????    Not trolling, just asking.

Ottawa is a far more likely destination. BC doesn't run the ball.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 03, 2022, 07:39:20 PM
Ottawa is a far more likely destination. BC doesn't run the ball.
Ottawa and BC make the most sense imo. But I can't see BC shelling much out if they have three high paid receivers


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 03, 2022, 07:48:58 PM
Anyone hear rumours about Harris going to BC?????    Not trolling, just asking.

Nothing being said in local news to that end. Frankly I don't see it happening as part of the Lions plans.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 08:06:10 PM
I could see AH33 with the Riders. Won't that be a fun Banjo Bowl.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 03, 2022, 08:17:37 PM
Ottawa is a far more likely destination. BC doesn't run the ball.

There was some article or item suggesting that BC is looking to go CDN at RB this year.  If that?s the case, they might be a player for Harris.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 03, 2022, 08:29:28 PM
I could see AH33 with the Riders. Won't that be a fun Banjo Bowl.

As fun as this would seem, just can't see him in Riderville.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 03, 2022, 08:34:43 PM
As fun as this would seem, just can't see him in Riderville.

I hope Harris signs with the Riders and get a 70k bonus then retires and just say "If you cut me open, I am sure that I would bleed blue and gold". 
Just kidding. ;D


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Horseman on February 03, 2022, 08:49:21 PM
I could see AH33 with the Riders. Won't that be a fun Banjo Bowl.

There's no way in H-E double hockey sticks that AH would EVER go to play for the Riders!!!!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 03, 2022, 09:13:43 PM
I hope Harris signs with the Riders and get a 70k bonus then retires and just say "If you cut me open, I am sure that I would bleed blue and gold". 
Just kidding. ;D

That would be awesome... glorious... and 100% not AH33's style... but still...    unfortunately, it would mean, like DD$4 having to retire as a Bomber, AH33 would have to retire as a Rider... and while DD$4 did it to the Bombers, the Riders had no part in it, so really, that would not be kharmic, just ironic...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 03, 2022, 09:22:50 PM
I hope Harris signs with the Riders and get a 70k bonus then retires and just say "If you cut me open, I am sure that I would bleed blue and gold". 
Just kidding. ;D

This is a brilliant post. ;D


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 03, 2022, 09:50:57 PM
I hope Harris signs with the Riders and get a 70k bonus then retires and just say "If you cut me open, I am sure that I would bleed blue and gold". 
Just kidding. ;D
you win! :D


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ducky on February 03, 2022, 10:49:19 PM
There was some article or item suggesting that BC is looking to go CDN at RB this year.  If that?s the case, they might be a player for Harris.

More likely they go hard after Oliveira.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: road griller on February 03, 2022, 11:47:31 PM
He would fit best in LaPo?s check down, throw for 3 on 2nd and 8 offence.  I can?t see him taking 40-60k less to play here but you never know.  I think they are going for Thunder and Lightning with Brady O and Johnny A with Borsa in case of injury.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 04, 2022, 02:40:32 AM
  I think they are going for Thunder and Lightning with Brady O and Johnny A with Borsa in case of injury.
That's what I think too. Like Cotton and Marshall, except hopefully much more efficient (and Canadian!)


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 04, 2022, 03:20:07 AM
I could see AH33 with the Riders. Won't that be a fun Banjo Bowl.
I can see this happening. Riders hosting grey cup, they ll pay the bucks to get him and his energy into their huddle and hopefully push them over the top. It would be sad, but heck they signed Geroy Simon the last time they hosted the cup, so I wouldn?t put it past them to do this again, and it would be the ultimate sting on the bombers signing Winnipeg?s home boy away from the bombers in the grey cup year and the banjo bowl would be insane!!!!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: road griller on February 04, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
I can see this happening. Riders hosting grey cup, they ll pay the bucks to get him and his energy into their huddle and hopefully push them over the top. It would be sad, but heck they signed Geroy Simon the last time they hosted the cup, so I wouldn?t put it past them to do this again, and it would be the ultimate sting on the bombers signing Winnipeg?s home boy away from the bombers in the grey cup year and the banjo bowl would be insane!!!!

I don?t think the Riders have the cap space, otherwise they would have Duke signed already.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 04, 2022, 02:37:57 PM
I don?t think the Riders have the cap space, otherwise they would have Duke signed already.

Riders have cap space available.

Duke is looking over his other offers and then will decide.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: road griller on February 04, 2022, 03:03:48 PM
Riders have cap space available.

Duke is looking over his other offers and then will decide.

What is he looking at , free peanuts and popcorn after the game?  Or money? If the Riders gave him what he wanted he would sign. They always have to keep the ?Regina Tax? in mind when calculating the SMS which can be difficult.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
I don?t think the Riders have the cap space, otherwise they would have Duke signed already.

I am sure they can afford to sign him. I think Duke is looking at other options because why wouldn't he look to see if he can get out of Regina. The Riders have had a really big problem with player retention unless overpaying over the past several seasons and a lot of that has to do with Regina being such a small market without much to offer.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 04, 2022, 03:17:47 PM
Seem like the legend of the Stove Richardson is growing daily. Now he's being rated as the #1 DL free agent. Likely both BC and Sask are interested. I like him but I think he's being overated and  we can',t afford him. I would take a chance on Nevis




Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 04, 2022, 03:24:22 PM
IMO signing Johny is a telling sign. Walter stated he can't keep all three, we know we are getting "tight" with cap space. So one would assume something has to give...Borsa signed, Johny signed...Olivera and Harris not signed.
I think it is a fair certainty that both of the guys unsigned being signed is very, very slim.

In saying that you have to compare them and take emotions out and IMO Olivera is the better signing...He will almost certainly be less expensive which helps the cap, he is much younger, and the risk is mitigated if he faulters with Augustine already signed.

I hate to see him go but Harris moving on may be the best fit....He can certainly get another team to pay him more than we could, so financially it makes sense for him. As much as he did for our team all good things eventually come to and end and this may be his end.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2022, 03:32:14 PM
I can see this happening. Riders hosting grey cup, they ll pay the bucks to get him and his energy into their huddle and hopefully push them over the top. It would be sad, but heck they signed Geroy Simon the last time they hosted the cup, so I wouldn?t put it past them to do this again, and it would be the ultimate sting on the bombers signing Winnipeg?s home boy away from the bombers in the grey cup year and the banjo bowl would be insane!!!!

If they want to spend 200k on him instead of fixing their OL and LBing crew then I say right on. We will stuff Andrew because he has no OL to help him there. However, I find the Riders an unlikely destination because they have Maas and he doesn't run the ball.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: road griller on February 04, 2022, 03:32:38 PM
I am sure they can afford to sign him. I think Duke is looking at other options because why wouldn't he look to see if he can get out of Regina. The Riders have had a really big problem with player retention unless overpaying over the past several seasons and a lot of that has to do with Regina being such a small market without much to offer.

Yup, the Regina Tax the least desirable place to be for any human.  Which is why they always have to watch their $$$$.  Are they going to overpay for a 35 year old  Nat RB with no real back up in case of injury?  Or go import at 30-40% of the cost?  I don?t think JO is that dumb or desperate.  Although he did go all in on Fajardo, twice?.?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2022, 03:35:33 PM
Seem like the legend of the Stove Richardson is growing daily. Now he's being rated as the #1 DL free agent. Likely both BC and Sask are interested. I like him but I think he's being overated and  we can',t afford him. I would take a chance on Nevis




BC seems to be the most logical landing spot for Stove. Their DL was brutal.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2022, 03:37:20 PM
Yup, the Regina Tax the least desirable place to be for any human.  Which is why they always have to watch their $$$$.  Are they going to overpay for a 35 year old  Nat RB with no real back up in case of injury?  Or go import at 30-40% of the cost?  I don?t think JO is that dumb or desperate.  Although he did go all in on Fajardo, twice?.?

Never underestimate the Riders ability to sign washed up veterans. Heck they just extended Larry Dean.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 03:41:58 PM
Only a few days left before FA. We have a few more pieces to sign.

D: Alexander, Jones, Taylor, Darby, Stove, Hansen.

O: Harris or Oliveira, Lawler, Adams, Eli.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: road griller on February 04, 2022, 03:50:28 PM
Never underestimate the Riders ability to sign washed up veterans. Heck they just extended Larry Dean.

 No question they take what they can get but Harris won?t come cheap like Dean did.  That is the big factor, they have to overpay at so many positions.  Never say never but Ottawa will pay the $$$$$ and he knows LaPo.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 03:57:00 PM
I don't understand how Hansen is not re-signed yet... unless there is an issue of him dumping the Global tag and going after a paycheck.  As a Global, he is limited to league min... and he is definitely worth more than that...



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 04, 2022, 04:55:13 PM
Our success over the past 2 years has significantly impacted our ability to resign all our players. I was looking at the previous years players we lost and it strikes me that the grass may not be greener on the other side. Also that because of the team system the Bombers play, certain players talent level may look higher than actual
Marcus Sayles - doesn't look the same in BC
Cody Speller  -   very tough year |(injury)
Drake Nevis  -    same
Matt NIchols -   nuff said
Exume         -   quiet year


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 04, 2022, 05:08:48 PM
Our success over the past 2 years has significantly impacted our ability to resign all our players. I was looking at the previous years players we lost and it strikes me that the grass may not be greener on the other side. Also that because of the team system the Bombers play, certain players talent level may look higher than actual
Marcus Sayles - doesn't look the same in BC
Cody Speller  -   very tough year |(injury)
Drake Nevis  -    same
Matt NIchols -   nuff said
Exume         -   quiet year


I don;t know if I agree with this.

Sayles looked fine, the rest dealt with injury.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 04, 2022, 05:29:12 PM
Slow day in Winnipeg? What's up with lack of more signings?

Number of CFL potential free agents down to about 180 players.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: road griller on February 04, 2022, 05:31:17 PM
Our success over the past 2 years has significantly impacted our ability to resign all our players. I was looking at the previous years players we lost and it strikes me that the grass may not be greener on the other side. Also that because of the team system the Bombers play, certain players talent level may look higher than actual
Marcus Sayles - doesn't look the same in BC
Cody Speller  -   very tough year |(injury)
Drake Nevis  -    same
Matt NIchols -   nuff said
Exume         -   quiet year


Ultimate team game, you do much better when surrounded by elite players.  Look for other players to leave and under perform.  Will Lawler do as well in BC without an elite QB behind and elite OL giving him time to throw?  I am betting no.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 04, 2022, 05:31:37 PM
He would fit best in LaPo?s check down, throw for 3 on 2nd and 8 offence.  I can?t see him taking 40-60k less to play here but you never know.  I think they are going for Thunder and Lightning with Brady O and Johnny A with Borsa in case of injury.

I don't think even LaPo is going to pay Harris very well for essentially one year of service with no future gain, AH is of the age that he will have to take whatever contract is offered just to secure a spot on a team.  Flat out, most teams won't be interested.

I also can't see him being all that effective a runner without great holes created by an good O-line.  At his age he will have limited energy to bust holes open like he could as a younger player, like Stanback still can. He should still have no problem with the LB's and secondary but every RB needs assistance breaking through the D-line.  Perhaps LaPo would use him mostly as a passing option as he did in Wpg., especially if Nichols makes an unexpected comeback.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: road griller on February 04, 2022, 05:37:50 PM
I don't think even LaPo is going to pay Harris very well for essentially one year of service with no future gain, AH is of the age that he will have to take whatever contract is offered just to secure a spot on a team.  Flat out, most teams won't be interested.

I also can't see him being all that effective a runner without great holes created by an good O-line.  At his age he will have limited energy to bust holes open like he could as a younger player, like Stanback still can. He should still have no problem with the LB's and secondary but every RB needs assistance breaking through the D-line.  Perhaps LaPo would use him mostly as a passing option as he did in Wpg., especially if Nichols makes an unexpected comeback.

That?s true, some of those holes our line opens would spring me for 5-6 yards at times.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 04, 2022, 06:23:36 PM
Our success over the past 2 years has significantly impacted our ability to resign all our players. I was looking at the previous years players we lost and it strikes me that the grass may not be greener on the other side. Also that because of the team system the Bombers play, certain players talent level may look higher than actual
Marcus Sayles - doesn't look the same in BC
Cody Speller  -   very tough year |(injury)
Drake Nevis  -    same
Matt NIchols -   nuff said
Exume         -   quiet year

Exume had one less ST tackle than Hallett. The other players sure but c'mon man. One Google search


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 06:59:50 PM
Exume had an excellent year in 2019 with 25 teams tackles. The kid was on fire.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 04, 2022, 07:30:46 PM
No question they take what they can get but Harris won?t come cheap like Dean did.  That is the big factor, they have to overpay at so many positions.  Never say never but Ottawa will pay the $$$$$ and he knows LaPo.

If I'm Harris I go to either Ottawa or BC. He can step right into the Lapo offence that he excelled in and provided him with 20 touches a game. A no brainer really. BC I mention because he's been there and it would be like going home for him and with a noodle armed CDN QB they would likely give him the rock a fair bit.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 04, 2022, 07:47:17 PM
Exume had one less ST tackle than Hallett. The other players sure but c'mon man. One Google search
Not using Halley as the yard stick, when he was with us he was neck and neck with Miller for st tackles


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 08:22:54 PM
If I'm Harris I go to either Ottawa or BC. He can step right into the Lapo offence that he excelled in and provided him with 20 touches a game. A no brainer really. BC I mention because he's been there and it would be like going home for him and with a noodle armed CDN QB they would likely give him the rock a fair bit.

How can they run the ball with Lawler, Lucky and Burnham getting top $$?  If Lawler stays here, then sure...  they can sign Harris and Harris...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 04, 2022, 08:48:47 PM
Not using Halley as the yard stick, when he was with us he was neck and neck with Miller for st tackles
And my point is he didn't fall off. Yes his stats dropped but putting him in the same category is disingenuous


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on February 04, 2022, 09:50:48 PM
If I'm Harris I go to either Ottawa or BC. He can step right into the Lapo offence that he excelled in and provided him with 20 touches a game. A no brainer really. BC I mention because he's been there and it would be like going home for him and with a noodle armed CDN QB they would likely give him the rock a fair bit.


The only way Harris is going to excel next year if he steps into an offence that has an above average offensive line. Not sure they have that in BC or Ottawa.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 04, 2022, 10:12:57 PM

The only way Harris is going to excel next year if he steps into an offence that has an above average offensive line. Not sure they have that in BC or Ottawa.

The Lions offence has been and continues to be a pass 1st offence. They aren't spending all that money on receivers to run the ball a lot. I can't see Harris going back there.

Honestly I think he's more likely to retire than go to another team for a reduced salary. At 35 years old he's on the downside and a greater risk, lower productivity.

IMO he could be productive in Wpg because of our OL, our balanced offence and his familiarity with his team mates. None of that really exists for him elsewhere and he'd have to move away from other local business interests and family.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 05, 2022, 12:00:25 AM
Not sure why Harris wouldn't take a reduced salary and play a reduced role on a team that is going to contend for the Grey Cup, vs go somewhere else with an inferior O line, get punished and struggle. What a miserable end to a great career that would be. I am hopeful things can be worked out here and he has a happy ending to his career, he deserves it.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Horseman on February 05, 2022, 12:07:31 AM
On another note...I see that the Als have released Mat Schiltz, I would like to see the Bombers pick him up to be our #2 QB and move McGuire to #3.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 12:18:44 AM
McGuire hasn't signed yet. I believe Dru Brown is our backup right now.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 05, 2022, 12:58:49 AM
Not sure why Harris wouldn't take a reduced salary and play a reduced role on a team that is going to contend for the Grey Cup, vs go somewhere else with an inferior O line, get punished and struggle. What a miserable end to a great career that would be. I am hopeful things can be worked out here and he has a happy ending to his career, he deserves it.

We don't even know what options the Bombers are offering Harris, could be that they have no room for him if their plan was to retain the two younger RBs..  Signing Johnny threw a spanner in the works and created some unexpected complications.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 05, 2022, 01:00:05 AM
On another note...I see that the Als have released Mat Schiltz, I would like to see the Bombers pick him up to be our #2 QB and move McGuire to #3.

Tiger Cats have signed Schiltz as there back-up.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 05, 2022, 01:02:05 AM
On another note...I see that the Als have released Mat Schiltz, I would like to see the Bombers pick him up to be our #2 QB and move McGuire to #3.

Schiltz signs in Hammytown.  Not sure what gives, I thought F.A. started on Monday?

https://3downnation.com/2022/02/04/hamilton-tiger-cats-sign-quarterback-matthew-schiltz/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hamilton-tiger-cats-sign-quarterback-matthew-schiltz


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 05, 2022, 01:06:52 AM
Schiltz signs in Hammytown.  Not sure what gives, I thought F.A. started on Monday?

https://3downnation.com/2022/02/04/hamilton-tiger-cats-sign-quarterback-matthew-schiltz/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hamilton-tiger-cats-sign-quarterback-matthew-schiltz

He agreed to terms during the tampering period and the Als released him so he was free to sign.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 05, 2022, 01:08:08 AM
Not sure why Harris wouldn't take a reduced salary and play a reduced role on a team that is going to contend for the Grey Cup, vs go somewhere else with an inferior O line, get punished and struggle. What a miserable end to a great career that would be. I am hopeful things can be worked out here and he has a happy ending to his career, he deserves it.

Remember these guys almost a year of pay in 2020. Maybe Andrew financially needs to get every dollar he can, while he can.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 05, 2022, 05:32:15 AM
I don't understand how Hansen is not re-signed yet... unless there is an issue of him dumping the Global tag and going after a paycheck.  As a Global, he is limited to league min... and he is definitely worth more than that...

I did not know this, it seems discriminatory to limit Hansen's pay to $54,000 considering how much he has contributed to the team in multiple areas.  All the playoff money he's received and a couple of chunky rings makes it a bit less awful.  Hopefully Walters bumps him up a paygrade or two in gratitude.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 05, 2022, 02:16:26 PM

I did not know this, it seems discriminatory to limit Hansen's pay to $54,000 considering how much he has contributed to the team in multiple areas.  All the playoff money he's received and a couple of chunky rings makes it a bit less awful.  Hopefully Walters bumps him up a paygrade or two in gratitude.

I think the Global salaries are fixed by the CBA. Whether that changes in the new one remains to be seen. Technically I don't know that the team is allowed to pay more. The salaries have been exempt from the SMS as well.

It's not any more discriminatory than mandating roster positions based on being a Global player.

Not sure why he hasn't been re-signed yet though.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
I think the Global salaries are fixed by the CBA. Whether that changes in the new one remains to be seen. Technically I don't know that the team is allowed to pay more. The salaries have been exempt from the SMS as well.

It's not any more discriminatory than mandating roster positions based on being a Global player.

Not sure why he hasn't been re-signed yet though.

My point exactly... have to check the CBA / global player agreement.. can a global drop that designation for the Int tag at any time, and thereby not bew restrained by the $54k non-SMS cap maximum?  If Hansen does this, do we have a next Global up?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 05, 2022, 05:10:21 PM
My point exactly... have to check the CBA / global player agreement.. can a global drop that designation for the Int tag at any time, and thereby not bew restrained by the $54k non-SMS cap maximum?  If Hansen does this, do we have a next Global up?

I don't think he can do that. Even if he could I doubt he could beat out an import brought in to be a DI at DE on an ELC.

I like Hansen and expect we'll re-sign him but talent wise he's barely above a Canadian ST or rotational player. Teams were allowed / supposed to add a 2nd Global in 2021 and most weren't able to be better than rookie Canadian draft choices. There were only a couple of games where we added that 2nd player due to injuries to those Canadian rookies ( Hallett and Kramdi ).

Hansen was a crowd favourite because of the special designation. 13 DT's in 32 games over 2 seasons is not that impressive for what is essentially a DI.

Gauthier had 15 DT's in 2021. Obviously playing as a LB and not a DE but it shows he saw the field more often when we needed to sub in for Jeffcoat of Jefferson. Ditto for Briggs although he spent more time at WIL but normally is used in the rotation of the 7th Canadian starter.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 06:19:22 PM
I don't think he can do that. Even if he could I doubt he could beat out an import brought in to be a DI at DE on an ELC.

I like Hansen and expect we'll re-sign him but talent wise he's barely above a Canadian ST or rotational player. Teams were allowed / supposed to add a 2nd Global in 2021 and most weren't able to be better than rookie Canadian draft choices. There were only a couple of games where we added that 2nd player due to injuries to those Canadian rookies ( Hallett and Kramdi ).

Hansen was a crowd favourite because of the special designation. 13 DT's in 32 games over 2 seasons is not that impressive for what is essentially a DI.

Gauthier had 15 DT's in 2021. Obviously playing as a LB and not a DE but it shows he saw the field more often when we needed to sub in for Jeffcoat of Jefferson. Ditto for Briggs although he spent more time at WIL but normally is used in the rotation of the 7th Canadian starter.

Hansen is a crowd favorite because he blows guys up.  He is the definition of a ST Demon, and progressed as a pass rush DE quite well last year after being used as a WIL before.   His attitude is infectious and he is a high motor guy. 

Mauro is our other G, IIRC he did sub in occasional on D plays as well as ST's...

There might be a lot of guys that have deals signed but just not announced... or pending deals waiting for FA day...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 05, 2022, 06:25:16 PM
Hansen is a crowd favorite because he blows guys up.  He is the definition of a ST Demon, and progressed as a pass rush DE quite well last year after being used as a WIL before.   His attitude is infectious and he is a high motor guy. 

Mauro is our other G, IIRC he did sub in occasional on D plays as well as ST's...

There might be a lot of guys that have deals signed but just not announced... or pending deals waiting for FA day...

Everybody remembers the one big ST hit. He may have progressed but he'd be replaceable if not for his special designation.  I don't think he's every played at WIL.  A normal DI needs to be capable of starting in game due to injury. He's not at that level.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 05, 2022, 06:40:57 PM
Hansen 6'2'  250.   8 DT   12 ST  3 sacks.

Mauro  6'0"  220               6 ST

Hansen is a guy we need to keep.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 05, 2022, 06:41:28 PM
Everybody remembers the one big ST hit. He may have progressed but he'd be replaceable if not for his special designation.  I don't think he's every played at WIL.  A normal DI needs to be capable of starting in game due to injury. He's not at that level.
For a global he's good value ditto if he was Canadian. But I agree, certainly not capable of starting. He played WIL his first TC/preseason here but was moved to defensive end.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 06:43:27 PM
Everybody remembers the one big ST hit. He may have progressed but he'd be replaceable if not for his special designation.  I don't think he's every played at WIL.  A normal DI needs to be capable of starting in game due to injury. He's not at that level.

His ST hit hi-lite reel would be fairly long... but we do all remember the one hellacious GC hit where he tackled Frankie Williams using Mike Daley like a tackling dummy.  

I really hope he does re-sign here... not sure if driving a school bus in Germany is more lucrative than a CFL deal...  it does seem like he loves playing football, though...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 05, 2022, 06:50:59 PM
For a global he's good value ditto if he was Canadian. But I agree, certainly not capable of starting. He played WIL his first TC/preseason here but was moved to defensive end.

Oh he's good value for a Global but whether that would be true if he was a Canadian is debatable IMO. The ratio is intended towards Canadian development. Teams draft players that start on ST's but work towards becoming starters or at least solid rotational players.

As I pointed out a lot of teams choose to only roster 1 Global instead of the Canadian he'd replace on the game day roster. Usually that was a 1st year rookie draft choice.

The best example of that would be Exume. He had 25 ST's in 2019 and 15 in 2021 in Montreal.

In 2021 rookie Canadian Cadwallader had 8 ST's. Hansen has only 12 in 32 games with all of them coming in 2021. That's my point. Yes he's had a few opportunities of defence but usually later in games when teams were well behind and forced to revert to the passing game and the defence could pin their ears back etc.

Re-sign Hansen. Sure but don't make more about him than is reality.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 05, 2022, 07:55:06 PM
Hansen is not a gunner on ST's, and would not have as many opportunities for tackles from his position.  But when he gets the opportunity, he makes it big, punishing and memorable.  And it sparks the rest of the team... like in that GC hit...   


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 05, 2022, 08:08:31 PM
Hansen is not a gunner on ST's, and would not have as many opportunities for tackles from his position.  But when he gets the opportunity, he makes it big, punishing and memorable.  And it sparks the rest of the team... like in that GC hit...  

He's only had 12 tackles on ST's. I only remember 1 that was particularly memorable. Name another one with video?  Mike Miller makes tackles every game that sparks the team. He had 25.

Mauro only played 7 games and had 6 ST's in his 1st season while Hansen had zero in 18 games in 2019. Mauro is still on the roster and not a potential free agent. His 1st season was more impressive than Hansen's 1st season. I'm beginning to wonder if that has any bearing on Hansen not been re-signed yet.

Nick Hallett made 16 and " started " a couple of games when Alexander was nicked.

We drafted 4 players in 2021 but Siposs was in the NFL with the Eagles. Only Mauro is still with the team. Doesn't look like the other two are coming back.

Additionally I think there were only about 12 Global players still on rosters after the Grey Cup. It wasn't a big number and half seemed to be kickers.

Haven't heard how many rounds there will be in 2022. I wonder what positions we might look at but we're drafting last each round so that's not encouraging based on the history.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 06, 2022, 12:12:04 AM
Hansen is not a gunner on ST's, and would not have as many opportunities for tackles from his position.  But when he gets the opportunity, he makes it big, punishing and memorable.  And it sparks the rest of the team... like in that GC hit...   
The GC hit was great but if that's all you can talk about with him then you're not exactly making a point on his importance. I like Hansen but don't overthink it


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 06, 2022, 05:41:32 PM
I just heard that BO20 may have as may as 4 offers, Stove 3 and Jones 3. Didn't say which teams. Really like to see BO20 stay in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 06, 2022, 05:52:39 PM
I just heard that BO20 may have as may as 4 offers, Stove 3 and Jones 3. Didn't say which teams. Really like to see BO20 stay in Winnipeg.

I kind of figured about BO and I never expected Stove back. Jones is interesting. I guess teams see him as a target because we got the rest of the secondary locked up.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 06, 2022, 05:54:14 PM
I just heard that BO20 may have as may as 4 offers, Stove 3 and Jones 3. Didn't say which teams. Really like to see BO20 stay in Winnipeg.

If that's true then the team must resolve any remaining issues with A. Harris. If we lose Richardson maybe we can go after Nevis again. Jones is a very good CB. When you consider we benched him after Rose returned that showed how good our secondary starters were.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 06, 2022, 05:56:48 PM
I kind of figured about BO and I never expected Stove back. Jones is interesting. I guess teams see him as a target because we got the rest of the secondary locked up.

We don't have the secondary locked up. We have Rose and Nichols. Taylor, Jones and Alexander are all free agents. Alexander is injured reportedly and may not be able to start until mid season although I expect he'll end up with the Bombers. We lost Alford to the NFL. Not sure if we're bring back Josh Johnson who could be either a SAM of DHB?

All of this could change by Tuesday but it's tentative at the moment.

Any info on players the Bombers may have made offers to as of today? There are still some very good players not re-signed yet on other teams.

DB's that might be of interest: Williams in Edm ( he played very well against us ), Rolle and Williams in Hamilton. Those 2 are a little older and probably more on the expensive side?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 06, 2022, 06:26:31 PM
Let's not forget that Jones was odd man out when Rose came back to the bombers late last year.

Mite explain why the Bombers sign JA27. BO20 will have to decide on a few extra dollars or leaving everything he has built behind over the past 3 years in Winnipeg. BO20 should know that if AH33 plays this year, it will most likely be his last season. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jets on February 06, 2022, 06:45:19 PM
We don't have the secondary locked up. We have Rose and Nichols. Taylor, Jones and Alexander are all free agents. Alexander is injured reportedly and may not be able to start until mid season although I expect he'll end up with the Bombers. We lost Alford to the NFL. Not sure if we're bring back Josh Johnson who could be either a SAM of DHB?

All of this could change by Tuesday but it's tentative at the moment.

Any info on players the Bombers may have made offers to as of today? There are still some very good players not re-signed yet on other teams.

DB's that might be of interest: Williams in Edm ( he played very well against us ), Rolle and Williams in Hamilton. Those 2 are a little older and probably more on the expensive side?

Technically we had 5 roster spots in the secondary (2 corners, 2 halfbacks and 1 Sam LB) plus Alexander at S.

Very likely the Hallet bros take over the S spot in lieu of Alexander?s injury.

Of our remaining Americans we likely need 1 more experienced guy to come back and play the other HB spot and I think we?ll audition cheap rookies for field corner.  If Nichols and Rose are under contract and we consider Maston signed for SAM, then we only need one of Josh Johnson, Alden Darby, Mike Jones or Nic Taylor back and we?re in a decent spot still.  At one point last year we had 8 potential starting Import DBs (a few on IR) for 5 spots, not even counting Alexander at S.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: RebusRankin on February 06, 2022, 10:59:23 PM
I just heard that BO20 may have as may as 4 offers, Stove 3 and Jones 3. Didn't say which teams. Really like to see BO20 stay in Winnipeg.

Source?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 06, 2022, 11:19:31 PM
Very reliable source. Ex-bomber still very close to many on the team.



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 07, 2022, 12:00:46 AM
I just heard that BO20 may have as may as 4 offers, Stove 3 and Jones 3. Didn't say which teams. Really like to see BO20 stay in Winnipeg.

I find this credible.  I would bet Augustine got sewn up as soon as Oliveira started getting offers.  I imagine they will keep Harris in limbo until Oliveira makes a decision.

I think Jones is getting some big miles out of a great Grey Cup game.  Even though he was the 5th or 6th best DB we had, he does have a knack for making big plays, and I am sure the high visibility during the playoffs will generate some offers. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2022, 02:23:00 AM
I find this credible.  I would bet Augustine got sewn up as soon as Oliveira started getting offers.  I imagine they will keep Harris in limbo until Oliveira makes a decision.

I think Jones is getting some big miles out of a great Grey Cup game.  Even though he was the 5th or 6th best DB we had, he does have a knack for making big plays, and I am sure the high visibility during the playoffs will generate some offers. 

I wonder if Walters offered Brady and Johnny the same contract and Johnny jumped on it while Brady being more inexperienced decided to explore his options for a little longer.  If Walters can nail Harris down to fill in the gaps he might be done negotiating with Brady.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
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Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 11:44:22 AM
I wonder if Walters offered Brady and Johnny the same contract and Johnny jumped on it while Brady being more inexperienced decided to explore his options for a little longer.  If Walters can nail Harris down to fill in the gaps he might be done negotiating with Brady.

I don't think I would call weighing your options inexperience.

He could just have higher offers elsewhere and is ready to move on.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 01:04:44 PM
We should see a flurry of actions today across the league. Hopefully we get a few more done before free agency starts on Tuesday.

It's very surprising that several of our players haven't re-signed or accepted offers elsewhere. Players that have multiple offers or are deciding to remain as Bombers, time to choose. Money allocated to the thought of re-signing a given player may start to be spent elsewhere.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 07, 2022, 01:25:59 PM
We should see a flurry of actions today across the league. Hopefully we get a few more done before free agency starts on Tuesday.

It's very surprising that several of our players haven't re-signed or accepted offers elsewhere. Players that have multiple offers or are deciding to remain as Bombers, time to choose. Money allocated to the thought of re-signing a given player may start to be spent elsewhere.

Hopefully, the pesky crickets in IGF building are gone today and for the rest of the week.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 02:10:30 PM
Darvin Adams is teasing us on twitter.

I would assume he's got his contract all settled they're just waiting to make it all official.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: LXTSN on February 07, 2022, 02:53:52 PM
Nick Taylor and Brady Oliveira just signed! That will be huge for the next few signings!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 07, 2022, 02:58:18 PM
Those guys are awesome for the Bombers Woo Hoo!

Bring Ellingson in.  Didn't he play with Zac back East?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
Darvin Adams is teasing us on twitter.

I would assume he's got his contract all settled they're just waiting to make it all official.

Apperently I was wrong.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: bludan on February 07, 2022, 03:28:04 PM
Apperently I was wrong.

Did he commit elsewhere? 


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 03:29:05 PM
Did he commit elsewhere? 

He said on twitter that the Bombers don't want him back.

Whether that means we didn't make him an offer, or just tried to underpay him, we don't know.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 03:29:46 PM
Darvin Adams is teasing us on twitter.

I would assume he's got his contract all settled they're just waiting to make it all official.

Or that he's gotten some good offers...  possibly pending teams missing out on other players... like us losing Lawler, or BC missing Lawler...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 03:59:14 PM
He said on twitter that the Bombers don't want him back.

Whether that means we didn't make him an offer, or just tried to underpay him, we don't know.

Well that's disappointing but somewhat understandable in the SMS re-focusing going on.  Still haven't heard anything about Bombers making offers to replacement possibilities.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 07, 2022, 04:07:18 PM
Have to think by this point. The bombers are going to walk from Adams and Harris. Maybe save it for Lawler, or a replacement for those 3 in FA...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Double Dare on February 07, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
I think moving on from Adams and Harris, two ageing vets who's production was trending downwards last season, is a good business decision. As painful and messy cutting ties with these players who put their heart and soul into rebuilding our team is, making these types of moves is how top teams stay on top.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 04:22:47 PM
Too many scenarios to even guess at.

Dominoes will fall... losing out on one guy might mean more budget for the next, getting one guy might eliminate the need for another...  the fact that we haven't signed a single player from another team as of yet, or had it announced that any of our team have agreed to contracts elsewhere is pretty huge endorsement of Walters and company...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 04:27:13 PM
I think moving on from Adams and Harris, two ageing vets who's production was trending downwards last season, is a good business decision. As painful and messy cutting ties with these players who put their heart and soul into rebuilding our team is, making these types of moves is how top teams stay on top.

If the Pats can move on from Brady, well... when you have a Mac Jones waiting, you have to decide when to make the transition...or you could lose both.

If we don't resign Harris... Olivera has already stepped in...

Walking away from a player without a succession plan is disaster... not sure why the Riders are parting ways with Gainey and Purifoy...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2022, 04:38:02 PM
He said on twitter that the Bombers don't want him back.

Whether that means we didn't make him an offer, or just tried to underpay him, we don't know.

That's sad, the brutal reality of F.A. is showing it's face, loyal vets. don't get the opportunity to play out their career with the respect they deserve, instead they have their membership revoked.  There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 04:39:04 PM
Well that's disappointing but somewhat understandable in the SMS re-focusing going on.  Still haven't heard anything about Bombers making offers to replacement possibilities.

When Walters spoke he said point blank that we're cutting costs from receivers to make up for spending at other positions.

People keep speculating about signing someone to replace Lawler....but it might not come. Bailer, Demsky, Wol, plus brand new starters based on TC.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 07, 2022, 04:42:01 PM
Nice to get BO20 signed for 2 years.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2022, 04:43:20 PM
Have to think by this point. The bombers are going to walk from Adams and Harris. Maybe save it for Lawler, or a replacement for those 3 in FA...

The way things are trending I think Lawler can and will sign for ridiculous money, I just hope Walters isn't sucked into the delusion of spending $200k+ on a receiver and having to cheap out elsewhere.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2022, 04:56:10 PM
When Walters spoke he said point blank that we're cutting costs from receivers to make up for spending at other positions.

People keep speculating about signing someone to replace Lawler....but it might not come. Bailer, Demsky, Wol, plus brand new starters based on TC.

I would be comfortable with them filling one spot with a rookie or F.A. but two is much more difficult, I will be shocked if they can't come to terms with Darvin.  I think the most Darvin ever made was around $120,000, so he has never cost them very much.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 04:57:28 PM
The way things are trending I think Lawler can and will sign for ridiculous money, I just hope Walters isn't sucked into the delusion of spending $200k+ on a receiver and having to cheap out elsewhere.

Edmonton is apparently offering 300k for Lawler.

So I don't think you have to worry about Walters anymore.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 07, 2022, 05:11:42 PM
Edmonton is apparently offering 300k for Lawler.

So I don't think you have to worry about Walters anymore.

Nice to see NT9 has resigned.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 07, 2022, 05:46:18 PM
Stop using your stupid abbreviations

Who is NT9


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 05:52:27 PM
Edmonton is apparently offering 300k for Lawler.

So I don't think you have to worry about Walters anymore.

I don't begrudge any player from taking advantage of a big contract elsewhere. While it's painful to lose a player like that, I'm not sure how wise it is for any team to pay so much for a player that isn't a QB.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 07, 2022, 05:58:23 PM
Money is great.  but who is going to throw the ball in Edmonton?  plus one hundred losses, ......or in WPG,  and   keep on winning, with bonuses, etc, and a long productive career.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 07, 2022, 06:02:59 PM
Stop using your stupid abbreviations

Who is NT9
taylor


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on February 07, 2022, 06:05:14 PM
A lot of this will become clearer tomorrow.  Kyle Walters has a media conference scheduled for Tuesday, February 8 at 10:00 a.m. CT


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 07, 2022, 06:08:04 PM
Thanks.  Nick Taylor.... is  that who hat was????I think he is awesome also.  The secondary guys were interchangeable.  Man we ended up with about nine guys that could play.  That was cool!

Alexander might not get signed.  Bad time to get a serious knee injury.  he was awesome t Safety, and corner.  But we have  decent replacements.  Hailet, is that who is  pencilled in?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: bwiser on February 07, 2022, 06:21:24 PM
A lot of this will become clearer tomorrow.  Kyle Walters has a media conference scheduled for Tuesday, February 8 at 10:00 a.m. CT
The Bombers aren't the only team with free agents. I would be willing to bet that Walters is going to sign some other teams free agents. I expect a receiver to be one of the free agent signings to replace Lawler who I don't see turning down 300 thousand a year.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2022, 06:51:47 PM
Money is great.  but who is going to throw the ball in Edmonton?  plus one hundred losses, ......or in WPG,  and   keep on winning, with bonuses, etc, and a long productive career.

If Lawler signs for $300k with the elks, he makes an extra $100k and doesn't even have to play in any playoff games.  That's a pretty good deal.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 07:03:32 PM
If Lawler signs for $300k with the elks, he makes an extra $100k and doesn't even have to play in any playoff games.  That's a pretty good deal.

Apparently Edm offer has no bonus, where as BC includes bonus, which makes a big difference from a tax perspective... wonder if we will offer a high bonus contract.  Downside is no SMS recovery on injury... but he's been pretty durable...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 07:17:28 PM
A lot of this will become clearer tomorrow.  Kyle Walters has a media conference scheduled for Tuesday, February 8 at 10:00 a.m. CT

That is an odd time for a conference.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 07, 2022, 07:35:23 PM
That is an odd time for a conference.
Im all ears....hoping Andrew if he isn't playing for us ends up being our RBs coach.   His presence in the Bomber locker room and on the field can't be underestimated!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 07, 2022, 07:38:57 PM
Thanks.  Nick Taylor.... is  that who hat was????I think he is awesome also.  The secondary guys were interchangeable.  Man we ended up with about nine guys that could play.  That was cool!

Alexander might not get signed.  Bad time to get a serious knee injury.  he was awesome t Safety, and corner.  But we have  decent replacements.  Hailet, is that who is  pencilled in?
 

I think the Bombers sign him. You treat your players well, and not only them but other players see this. He has been excellent for us, we spend a little time and money helping him.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 07, 2022, 07:57:50 PM
Only a few days left before FA. We have a few more pieces to sign.

D: Alexander, Jones, Taylor, Darby, Stove, Hansen.

O: Harris or Oliveira, Lawler, Adams, Eli.

Well take BO20, and Taylor off this list. Lawler at $300K is to rich for our blood.

Adams: sound like he's not getting an offer from us.

AH33 COULD be the odd man out.

Love to see us nail down Darby next.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 07, 2022, 08:00:45 PM
Can we just trade Borsa to SSK (he'll be back there in the future anyways) and just add $ of his current contract ($50k maybe) to Harris?  ;D


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 08:07:09 PM
Can we just trade Borsa to SSK (he'll be back there in the future anyways) and just add $ of his current contract ($50k maybe) to Harris?  ;D

Borsa will be on an ELC and hasn't played a down yet in the CFL. He might make the game day roster as he works his way into the lineup as an ST player. I don't know much about him or his upside but barring injury he might end up on the PR as well.

I don't want to discount his value but he was a 39th pick and his 2021 season wasn't overly  impressive. He could be a steal or not even make the PR.

Did he play on ST's in college? If he doesn't have that skill set, then it's going to be tough sledding without time on the PR.

He does seem to have speed with receiving and returning skills which doesn't hurt. Maybe he's a depth candidate at RB/ SB?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dizzycamper on February 07, 2022, 08:33:07 PM
Borsa will be on an ELC and hasn't played a down yet in the CFL. He might make the game day roster as he works his way into the lineup as an ST player. I don't know much about him or his upside but barring injury he might end up on the PR as well.

I don't want to discount his value but he was a 39th pick and his 2021 season wasn't overly  impressive. He could be a steal or not even make the PR.

Did he play on ST's in college? If he doesn't have that skill set, then it's going to be tough sledding without time on the PR.

He does seem to have speed with receiving and returning skills which doesn't hurt. Maybe he's a depth candidate at RB/ SB?

He went back to University of Regina last year after attending a portion of training camp. Had a good football season, studying education and is number 22 on the U of Regina football roster. Check out his stats section....


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 09:35:04 PM
He went back to University of Regina last year after attending a portion of training camp. Had a good football season, studying education and is number 22 on the U of Regina football roster. Check out his stats section....

I did but didn't find anything more than I said. Just over 1,000 yards rushing in a shortened college career. Receiving and returning might be beneficial. However, he might have to make the roster as an ST player initially. We don't usually see many Canadians doing returns on a regular basis in the pros. Can he cover on punt and K/O? Didn't see anything about that.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: NewBlue on February 07, 2022, 09:40:11 PM
Can we just trade Borsa to SSK (he'll be back there in the future anyways) and just add $ of his current contract ($50k maybe) to Harris?  ;D

unfortunatly there will still have to be someone collecting that PR$.
We may need him though if Harris is gone.  He'll draw in when there's an injury.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blueraid on February 07, 2022, 09:41:45 PM
I never underestimate Walters and company, including scouts, ability to judge talent...They have seen something in Borsa and are keeping him around for a reason....Same with McKnight ...we are in good hands with smart coaches and management....bodes well for the future


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: NewBlue on February 07, 2022, 09:43:39 PM
I never underestimate Walters and company, including scouts, ability to judge talent...They have seen something in Borsa and are keeping him around for a reason....Same with McKnight ...we are in good hands with smart coaches and management....bodes well for the future

I just raised my beer to you...cheers!  ;D


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 09:45:27 PM
I never underestimate Walters and company, including scouts, ability to judge talent...They have seen something in Borsa and are keeping him around for a reason....Same with McKnight ...we are in good hands with smart coaches and management....bodes well for the future

We had all of 2020 and 2021 to find new receiver depth and we came up with McKnight and kept Nelson on the PR. Our history of finding receiver talent consistently has not been great.

Hopefully McKnight takes a step forward in 2022 but was he any better than the now departed Nelson?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 09:49:33 PM
JA27 earned his chops on ST's... doing anything/everything the coaches wanted him to.  That's how you earn a spot in the CFL as a Nat.

If Boursa follows the same route, awesome.  If he doesn't want to play teams... he can go home and play for the Riders...

But I don't think Walters uses a DP on a guy that isn't willing to do the work to earn his spot, or that wants to run back to SSK as soon as he is eligible.  

We had all of 2020 and 2021 to find new receiver depth and we came up with McKnight and kept Nelson on the PR. Our history of finding receiver talent consistently has not been great.

Hopefully McKnight takes a step forward in 2022 but was he any better than the now departed Nelson?

You do know the most coveted WR in the league tomorrow was recruited and developed here, right?  That BC dumped him and we turned him into the top WR in the league. 

I have full confidence that if the next one isn't here now, he's in the pipe or on the neg list...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blueraid on February 07, 2022, 09:51:31 PM
We had all of 2020 and 2021 to find new receiver depth and we came up with McKnight and kept Nelson on the PR. Our history of finding receiver talent consistently has not been great.

Hopefully McKnight takes a step forward in 2022 but was he any better than the now departed Nelson?

I guess we won't know that until McKnight has another year under his belt.....A lot of fans also had questions about keeping Bailey around....Guess we found out why we did ;)...He could be our go to guy in 22


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: NewBlue on February 07, 2022, 09:57:27 PM
We had all of 2020 and 2021 to find new receiver depth and we came up with McKnight and kept Nelson on the PR. Our history of finding receiver talent consistently has not been great.

Hopefully McKnight takes a step forward in 2022 but was he any better than the now departed Nelson?

Is McKnight signed for next year?  Didn't he really struggle when he got his chance?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 07, 2022, 10:07:25 PM
Is McKnight signed for next year?  Didn't he really struggle when he got his chance?
He's a smaller receiver and seemed go have an issue with separating from DBs. We will see what happens next season. Could have an improved player or another Nelson


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blueraid on February 07, 2022, 10:17:33 PM
McKnight is signed for 22'


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: NewBlue on February 07, 2022, 10:17:39 PM
I was actually happy with Nelson.  But wasn't McKnight the guy who finally got in for returns and dropped a bunch?  Or am I thinking of someone else?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2022, 10:45:37 PM
I was actually happy with Nelson.  But wasn't McKnight the guy who finally got in for returns and dropped a bunch?  Or am I thinking of someone else?

Shaq Cooper.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 07, 2022, 11:12:54 PM
JA27 earned his chops on ST's... doing anything/everything the coaches wanted him to.  That's how you earn a spot in the CFL as a Nat.

If Boursa follows the same route, awesome.  If he doesn't want to play teams... he can go home and play for the Riders...

But I don't think Walters uses a DP on a guy that isn't willing to do the work to earn his spot, or that wants to run back to SSK as soon as he is eligible.  

You do know the most coveted WR in the league tomorrow was recruited and developed here, right?  That BC dumped him and we turned him into the top WR in the league. 

I have full confidence that if the next one isn't here now, he's in the pipe or on the neg list...

Saying the Bombers developed Lawler is pretty ridiculous, considering he joined the team when he was 25 and he is  27 now. He most likely had 10-15 years of previous football training and experience to draw from by the time he arrived in Wpg., he is now being rewarded for executing his training well.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 11:15:32 PM
Sounds like Lawler going to the Elks and Richardson to the Lions.

Thanks for your play in 2019 and 2021. Success to you both this year except when you play the Bombers.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 11:29:28 PM
Saying the Bombers developed Lawler is pretty ridiculous, considering he joined the team when he was 25 and he is  27 now. He most likely had 10-15 years of previous football training and experience to draw from by the time he arrived in Wpg., he is now being rewarded for executing his training well.

Funny, he never made it off the BC PR... but here he became a$300k WR, something we haven't seen in the CFL since SMS came in...

If "Developed"doesn't fit your definition of the last 2 seasons... how about "We identified his abilities and allowed them to floourish under our O system"...  is that better?  The key is, our scouts saw the talent, our GM signed him, our OC's schemed for him to succeed at a level he had never accomplished at a pro level. 

And we can do it for the next guy...

THAT was what I was trying to express...  get it?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 08, 2022, 12:02:30 AM
You were correct in saying we developed Lawler here. Nobody else did. BC wouldn?t even give him a sniff and he as buried on their PR and Lawler was very bitter and sour over this and rightfully so.

Lawler didn?t start as our #1 reciever when he came here, Darvin was. But Lawler won the confidence of his teammates coaches and Qb with each spectacular catch he made, and he steadily improved over the 2 years here. Anyone who won?t admit that is either blind, stubborn or both.

So yes, we developed a PR WR , made him a starter and helped him get a $300k salary out of the deal.

Now we just have to find his replacement, but we will.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 08, 2022, 12:10:52 AM
You were correct in saying we developed Lawler here. Nobody else did. BC wouldn?t even give him a sniff and he as buried on their PR and Lawler was very bitter and sour over this and rightfully so.

Lawler didn?t start as our #1 reciever when he came here, Darvin was. But Lawler won the confidence of his teammates coaches and Qb with each spectacular catch he made, and he steadily improved over the 2 years here. Anyone who won?t admit that is either blind, stubborn or both.

So yes, we developed a PR WR , made him a starter and helped him get a $300k salary out of the deal.

Now we just have to find his replacement, but we will.
I'm just wondering who that might be....perhaps we'll know more tomorrow after the 10:00 AM presser?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 08, 2022, 01:04:54 AM
Has Ellingson signed with anyone yet??


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ichabod_crane on February 08, 2022, 01:28:50 AM
I guess McGuire is toast as one of our backup QB's too. No word on him that I know of. Not that he made anyone confident with his one atrocious start.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 03:35:50 AM
JA27 earned his chops on ST's... doing anything/everything the coaches wanted him to.  That's how you earn a spot in the CFL as a Nat.

If Boursa follows the same route, awesome.  If he doesn't want to play teams... he can go home and play for the Riders...

But I don't think Walters uses a DP on a guy that isn't willing to do the work to earn his spot, or that wants to run back to SSK as soon as he is eligible.  

You do know the most coveted WR in the league tomorrow was recruited and developed here, right?  That BC dumped him and we turned him into the top WR in the league. 

I have full confidence that if the next one isn't here now, he's in the pipe or on the neg list...

You do know that except for signing Lawler and Bailey in 2019 we've not done well finding receivers. That's the point. Who was the last previous receiver the Bombers found and / or developed and when?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 08, 2022, 09:48:59 AM
OH hell!

Nick Demski
Geroy Simon
Milt Steagal.
The little guy from ND who caught Drew Willys hip pass
The guy we had that was rookie of the yr, went to the NFL, starred in the Super Bowl, played for Calgary, then us, then Montreal?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 08, 2022, 10:45:56 AM
OH hell!

Nick Demski
Geroy Simon
Milt Steagal.
The little guy from ND who caught Drew Willys hip pass
The guy we had that was rookie of the yr, went to the NFL, starred in the Super Bowl, played for Calgary, then us, then Montreal?

This particular scouting group has only found Bailey - and he hasn't even broken out yet - we're hoping he does so this year.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2022, 11:00:44 AM
Former Bombers WR Kenny Lawler has made his commitment to the Elks.

At $300k, he becomes the CFL?s highest paid receiver.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 08, 2022, 11:05:11 AM
There are hundreds of little Wes Welker types of guys playing in the States. Too slow and too small for the NFL, but perfect for the CFL.  The. Canadian dollar kills a lot of opportunity.

But a relatively safe, small city, while you accumulate stats would be perfect for those small receiver types.
Lawler by far was the best receiver in the league last year.  But from $78,000 to $300,000?????

I doubt those figures are correct.

But is more whatever it is, than the Bombers are paying him


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 01:07:47 PM
OH hell!

Nick Demski
Geroy Simon
Milt Steagal.
The little guy from ND who caught Drew Willys hip pass
The guy we had that was rookie of the yr, went to the NFL, starred in the Super Bowl, played for Calgary, then us, then Montreal?

We didn't " find " Demski but I suppose we get some credit for developing him. He played in Regina for 3 years. If you mean Steve Smith we didn't find or develop him either. He was a good receiver before he arrived.

Seriously? You're going to reference Stegall and Simon? Simon was only in Winnipeg for a short time and left in 2001 where he gained famed in Vancouver. He only had 85 reception in Winnipeg of his over 1,000 during his career. Stegall joined the Bombers in 1995.

You're just making my point we haven't had much success in recent years beyond Bailey and Lawler joining the team in 2019.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 01:39:44 PM
Will be interesting to see if we acquire any free agents in the next few days. Walters isn't usually a big player in free agency from other teams. Can't see any big surprises on the horizon though.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: The Zipp on February 08, 2022, 01:44:11 PM
The Bombers will be signing former Edmonton Elks WR Greg Ellingson once free agency opens T 11 a.m. CT.

Is he better than Darvin?   No IMO


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 01:54:54 PM
Justin Dunk@JDunk12

Five-time 1,000-yard receiver, Greg Ellingson agrees to terms with Winnipeg Blue Bombers

https://3downnation.com/2022/02/08/five-time-1000-yard-receiver-greg-ellingson-agrees-to-terms-with-winnipeg-blue-bombers/

#Winnipeg #ForTheW #Bombers #CFL


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 08, 2022, 02:03:35 PM
I like it. I think he still has some gas in the tank still.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on February 08, 2022, 02:08:54 PM
eff Hamilton
@jeffkhamilton
28m
The Bombers will be signing former Edmonton Elks WR Greg Ellingson once free agency opens T 11 a.m. CT. #wfp


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 08, 2022, 02:15:52 PM
The Bombers will be signing former Edmonton Elks WR Greg Ellingson once free agency opens T 11 a.m. CT.

Is he better than Darvin?   No IMO

As a pure receiving threat, he is unquestionable better than Darvin, imo.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 08, 2022, 02:22:23 PM
Adams to RedBlacks...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 08, 2022, 02:31:46 PM
Adams to RedBlacks...
Ellingson was under 1000 yards for the first time in his career with Edmonton....he is also 33 years old whereas Kenny Lawler is 27.   One player at the beginning of his prime playing years and one at the end albeit like AH, he still may have some gas in the tank.   


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 02:32:59 PM
eff Hamilton
@jeffkhamilton
28m
The Bombers will be signing former Edmonton Elks WR Greg Ellingson once free agency opens T 11 a.m. CT. #wfp

He'll be a very experienced receiver added to our corps. He can be very productive in 2022. Sorry to lose Adams and I wish him well in Ottawa. Both receivers are at an age where time is running against them for too many more seasons.

I don't know if I rank this as a big fish signing but it's a good move.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 02:38:36 PM
I like this, good replacement for Adams.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on February 08, 2022, 02:40:20 PM
G. Ellingson
@Gelliman82 16m
Much love and appreciation to everyone in Edmonton! Gonna miss those fellas and fans. 

On a mission down in the peg now Face with look of triumph


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 08, 2022, 02:41:46 PM
eff Hamilton
@jeffkhamilton
28m
The Bombers will be signing former Edmonton Elks WR Greg Ellingson once free agency opens T 11 a.m. CT. #wfp
I like it seen Adams and Lawler are gone. Good veteran presence.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on February 08, 2022, 02:42:23 PM
Huge congrats to Lawler on the contract!! $$$$$$$$$

Hopefully Stove got himself a large raise as well, no hard feeling he was great for us when he was in, but as mentioned we couldn't afford everyone. Adams back with LaPo seems like a good fit. I wish Stove, Adams and Lawler all the best with new clubs.

Ellingson is probably a 1yr contract and while older he gives us the veteran presence we lost with Adams. Nothing earth shattering but a solid veteran piece for year.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 02:54:41 PM
Ellingson is a year older, but had a much better 2021... Darvin obviously had to compete for targets, but had Collaros for the majority of the year.  Ellingson also had competition for targets, but had a much inferior QB situation. 

Love Adams, and his highlight reel with the WBB is pretty awesome, but I do think Ellingson is an upgrade based on current stats.  Who knows what this year will bring, maybe Lapo gives him the magic back.  I don't doubt that we paid slightly more for Ellingson than we would have had to for Adams, but for all parties, I think this is the optimal solution.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 03:06:44 PM
I like this, good replacement for Adams.

Ellingson lines up more at SB so he's a Lawler replacement than an Adams replaced. But from an experience point of view, yes he's an Adams replacement and will provide significant leadership.

He was ranked 8th in the CFL last year and the Elks leading receiver.


Good addition.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the.inkster on February 08, 2022, 03:19:34 PM
Ellingson was under 1000 yards for the first time in his career with Edmonton....he is also 33 years old whereas Kenny Lawler is 27.   One player at the beginning of his prime playing years and one at the end albeit like AH, he still may have some gas in the tank.   

I see Ellingson as more of a replacement for Adams (turned 32 in January, and only has two 1000-yard seasons vs Ellingson's 5) than he is a replacement for Lawler.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on February 08, 2022, 03:21:15 PM
Ellingson lines up more at SB so he's a Lawler replacement than an Adams replaced. But from an experience point of view, yes he's an Adams replacement and will provide significant leadership.

He was ranked 8th in the CFL last year and the Elks leading receiver.


Good addition.
Adams was a key player despite his lower stats....he did make some key receptions when it mattered.    We still haven't replaced him and not sure who the Bombers are targeting in free agency.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 03:21:39 PM
I see Ellingson as more of a replacement for Adams (turned 32 in January, and only has two 1000-yard seasons vs Ellingson's 5) than he is a replacement for Lawler.

Nothing stops the Bombers from lining him up at WR but he'll see more activity inside than outside IMO. In any case he'll be a big part of the offence.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 08, 2022, 03:22:42 PM
They line up all over.  An inside receiver pos would get him a matchup with a slower defender.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 03:26:07 PM
They line up all over.  An inside receiver pos would get him a matchup with a slower defender.

Of course they do but SB's see the ball more often. Even a deep route inside is a shorter pass than a deep route on the outside. To that end I see him at SB on the depth chart.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 08, 2022, 03:32:16 PM
Apparently  McGuire wants too move on from football. Do the bombers have anyone else at QB? Yikes...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jets on February 08, 2022, 03:35:19 PM
Apparently  McGuire wants too move on from football. Do the bombers have anyone else at QB? Yikes...


I think the bombers were moving on from McGuire either way


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 03:35:30 PM
Apparently  McGuire wants too move on from football. Do the bombers have anyone else at QB? Yikes...

Not really much depth beyond Brown. We'll never know whether McGuire had the " right stuff " or not. I guess that explains why he hasn't been re-signed.

Not a lot of choices in free agency: Nichols, O'Conner, Harker. Only Nichols has experience but has he recovered and is he willing to take a big cut to be # 2 QB? O'Conner as a National is interesting. Only 25 pass attempts though.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 08, 2022, 03:37:46 PM
Not gonna sugar coat it, McGuire played himself off our team.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 08, 2022, 03:39:52 PM
Not gonna sugar coat it, McGuire played himself off our team.

I'm still hoping for Streveler.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 08, 2022, 03:59:55 PM
McGuire was not impressive as a starter the last game of last season But a Star rushing for one yard.
I was hoping for Strev also.  The "every" man.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: squonk on February 08, 2022, 04:26:28 PM
Not looking good...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Sec227 on February 08, 2022, 04:43:08 PM
McGuire was not impressive as a starter the last game of last season But a Star rushing for one yard.
I was hoping for Strev also.  The "every" man.

Hmmm...Watford is still out there available. Least for the short yardage plays. I bet he wouldn't cost a ton.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 08, 2022, 04:59:09 PM
Hmmm...Watford is still out there available. Least for the short yardage plays. I bet he wouldn't cost a ton.

Certainly would serve as a place-holder till Strev. comes back, that's about the only positive I can think of for Watford.  I'd rather go digging in the graveyard for Bryan Bennet, James Franklin or Jonathan Jennings to see if they're interested in a comeback. If they would have grabbed Dom Davis when he was available they would not be in the serious predicament of not having a reasonable backup behind Collaros.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 05:02:48 PM
Dru Brown is under contract... so we do have a backup, just not one with much CFL game experience.  Much like McGuire heading into last year...

There are a lot of CFL vet QB's out there that would never consider a backup salary that will be available should any starter go down this year, and their backup isn't good enough. 

I'd rather s look at our neg list and bring in a new, exciting young QB rather than recycle the likes of Watford...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 05:18:03 PM
Nothing yet on confirmations about losing: Richardson, Jones, Grant and Castillo although that's not a good sign.

I wasn't expecting Antigua back but he's signed with the Elks today.

Crapigna is still on the roster today?  In theory he'll be released at some point.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2022, 05:19:07 PM
Certainly would serve as a place-holder till Strev. comes back, that's about the only positive I can think of for Watford.  I'd rather go digging in the graveyard for Bryan Bennet, James Franklin or Jonathan Jennings to see if they're interested in a comeback. If they would have grabbed Dom Davis when he was available they would not be in the serious predicament of not having a reasonable backup behind Collaros.

Franklin is now a cop and not returning to the CFL.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 08, 2022, 05:24:29 PM
I see Ellingson as more of a replacement for Adams (turned 32 in January, and only has two 1000-yard seasons vs Ellingson's 5) than he is a replacement for Lawler.
Ellingson is a fair replacement for Lawler given what the market paid for top end recievers and a0000when you look at yards per game an upgrade from Adams. Especially when you look at the qb situation in Edmonton ly. He has a similar style to Lawler in that he doesnt rely on speed to get open and has good hands. Ellingson ould have a strong year with Collaris as qb. Also I expect Bailey to pick up some of the load as he is showing signs of becoming a top reciever..has improved greatly each year.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
Willie H. Jefferson III@Stmn_Willie_Bmn

I guess I?ll start feeling better when WE start signing people too!!!!



Jeff BlueBomber Fan, boosted & following protocols@aardvarkpets
Replying to @Stmn_Willie_Bmn

We got most of that done ahead of time... today for GM's is like Christmas Eve for husbands, running around trying to find something that might fit, but costs way too much.  Tomorrow is boxing day, where we fill gaps at discount prices.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 06:07:25 PM
Willie H. Jefferson III@Stmn_Willie_Bmn

I guess I?ll start feeling better when WE start signing people too!!!!



Jeff BlueBomber Fan, boosted & following protocols@aardvarkpets
Replying to @Stmn_Willie_Bmn

We got most of that done ahead of time... today for GM's is like Christmas Eve for husbands, running around trying to find something that might fit, but costs way too much.  Tomorrow is boxing day, where we fill gaps at discount prices.


We could use another National at DT / DE, an experienced DB and a returner. Partly depends on whether Jones and Grant re-sign.

Overall I'm guessing needs are filled with rookies. The shelves of free agents is rapidly dwindling.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 08, 2022, 06:31:33 PM
We could use another National at DT / DE, an experienced DB and a returner. Partly depends on whether Jones and Grant re-sign.

Overall I'm guessing needs are filled with rookies. The shelves of free agents is rapidly dwindling.

Mike Jones will go to the Als.

With all of our remaining FA, I'll just want Hansen, Grant and of course Harris back


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue72 on February 08, 2022, 07:04:18 PM
Has the Stone signed anywhere yet?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: kkc60 on February 08, 2022, 07:08:11 PM
Has the Stone signed anywhere yet?
Thought it was looking to be BC but nothing official. Plus they just signed Woody Baron


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 07:08:59 PM
Has the Stone signed anywhere yet?
 

The Stove


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2022, 07:19:18 PM
Farhan Lalji indicates that the Toronto Argonauts have interest in free agent running back Andrew Harris.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: bluebeard on February 08, 2022, 08:20:45 PM
Thought it was looking to be BC but nothing official. Plus they just signed Woody Baron

Think the Riders are looking at Richardson also.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 08:28:44 PM
Think the Riders are looking at Richardson also.


Riders are also spending a lot of SMS today and time to decide is falling away.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 08, 2022, 08:38:58 PM
We might have some $ freed up since Harris signed with the Argos.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2022, 08:43:52 PM
Three-time Grey Cup champion, Canadian running back Andrew Harris has agreed to terms with the Toronto Argonauts.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 08, 2022, 09:28:52 PM
The free agency cupboard is starting to look very thin. We need 1 db/safety (even if we sign Alexander) and a canadian lineman ala konbo. I was disappointed we didnt go for Betts but it looks like BC is signng them all


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 09:30:51 PM
Walters believes Alexander will sign with the bombers. Which is good news, but we still need a few pieces.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: TBURGESS on February 08, 2022, 09:33:28 PM
When BC lost out on Lawler, they gained $250K of SMS to spend on other upgrades.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 08, 2022, 09:37:41 PM
When BC lost out on Lawler, they gained $250K of SMS to spend on other upgrades.
Likely that was spent on Richardson, then they still signed Breaux, Menard, Betts, Baron, Pettersen and Purifoy
aux


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 10:08:10 PM
We might have some $ freed up since Harris signed with the Argos.

Any saving we had for Adams, Harris, et al, have already been spent on the players we retained.  We are probably over what we spent last year already... many players we lost were not on big contracts, and many players we retained got raises.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 08, 2022, 11:04:02 PM
Any saving we had for Adams, Harris, et al, have already been spent on the players we retained.  We are probably over what we spent last year already... many players we lost were not on big contracts, and many players we retained got raises.

You say that and then in another string you say Walters will shine in the next couple of days adding players. Which is it?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: camken on February 08, 2022, 11:18:17 PM
We need a kicker/punter! Why haven?t we signed Castillo?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 09, 2022, 12:33:23 AM
Three-time Grey Cup champion, Canadian running back Andrew Harris has agreed to terms with the Toronto Argonauts.
Wow, that?s sad. I wish there was a way to keep him. What a miserable way to end your career?-going from a city that lives and dies for football, to one that doesn?t give a rip whether you re playing or not. Harris fed off the energy the crowd gave him and visa versa. There will be none of that in Toronto. Sad.

I wonder who is going to be our emotional leader now?? In the 2019 Grey Cup game, he single handedly willed us to win. With his physically dominating style of running, he took the others teams will so win and beat it out of them.  Who?s going to take on that role??


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: bluengold204 on February 09, 2022, 12:47:32 AM
Wow, that?s sad. I wish there was a way to keep him. What a miserable way to end your career?-going from a city that lives and dies for football, to one that doesn?t give a rip whether you re playing or not. Harris fed off the energy the crowd gave him and visa versa. There will be none of that in Toronto. Sad.

I wonder who is going to be our emotional leader now?? In the 2019 Grey Cup game, he single handedly willed us to win. With his physically dominating style of running, he took the others teams will so win and beat it out of them.  Who?s going to take on that role??

Brady


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2022, 01:06:15 AM
The free agency cupboard is starting to look very thin. We need 1 db/safety (even if we sign Alexander) and a canadian lineman ala konbo. I was disappointed we didnt go for Betts but it looks like BC is signng them all

They also need to find two O-linemen to restock the pipeline for the loss of Desjarlais and Eli, Gray can step in for Dejarlais but that leaves Kolankowski as the 6th man which worries me, in case of injury he steps in and can not falter.  Zach's life and the Bomber season rides on the protection the O-line provides.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2022, 01:32:32 AM
You say that and then in another string you say Walters will shine in the next couple of days adding players. Which is it?

The next days and weeks is when you land value contracts, under the radar players you can get on a SMS friendly deals... adding players by waving money at them is easy... Walters doesn't do that.  He gets value, even if it hurts, like losing Lawler, Harris, Adams or Stove...

Recruitment will be important, as always.  The players that got big deals this FA session are great advertising for incoming players to decide to sign here, and turn a 2 year ELC into a big deal, or even an NFL sniff... 


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 09, 2022, 02:30:10 AM
Brady
In years to come sure, but he doesn?t have the street cred to pull that off right now. AH was a beast of a runner, ferocious blocker and great hands out of the backfield, but his best trait to me was his leadership. When the team falls upon hard times, that when your real leaders step up and he was always there for us. It?s so sad something couldn?t have been worked out, it?s not supposed to end this way.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 02:30:30 AM
The next days and weeks is when you land value contracts, under the radar players you can get on a SMS friendly deals... adding players by waving money at them is easy... Walters doesn't do that.  He gets value, even if it hurts, like losing Lawler, Harris, Adams or Stove...

Recruitment will be important, as always.  The players that got big deals this FA session are great advertising for incoming players to decide to sign here, and turn a 2 year ELC into a big deal, or even an NFL sniff... 

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you're saying we spent most of our SMS and on the other that money is left for value added contracts. 2 year contracts are meaningless since players have an NFL option out after 1 season: Alford this season.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue72 on February 09, 2022, 03:57:07 AM
Would like to see Nevis back and maybe bring in Huff as a vet replacement for Adams. Huff looked good in Calgary don?t remember what he did in Toronto


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2022, 04:32:38 AM
Would like to see Nevis back and maybe bring in Huff as a vet replacement for Adams. Huff looked good in Calgary don?t remember what he did in Toronto

I love Nevis but he's getting up there and he didn't play much if at all last season.  I don't think they need him, they have Sayles, Walker, Jake and an Import DT named Jojo Wicker on the roster, so they'll probably do alright without adding a bigger salary to the group. 


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 09, 2022, 04:57:45 AM
Knowing that Jones and Stove each had a few others, not surprised that they both moved on.

Once BO20 signed, you knew AH33 was done in Winnipeg.

Hoping the bombers fill a couple of holes over the next couple of days.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on February 09, 2022, 05:33:12 AM
Most serious hole to fill now would be kicker... I don't believe Mourtada is the long term guy.

And yeah as I mentioned before.. Harris provided the mentoring and leadership in the locker room. He should have just stayed in Winnipeg for less cash. I am sure something could have been worked out since Oliviera and Augustin probably wouldn't be too expensive to keep.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 01:31:39 PM
No word on whether we might get Grant back. He hasn't signed anywhere else yet as far as I can tell.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2022, 01:50:52 PM
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you're saying we spent most of our SMS and on the other that money is left for value added contracts. 2 year contracts are meaningless since players have an NFL option out after 1 season: Alford this season.

Either your reading comprehension is really bad, or you are just trolling.

Either way, value contracts mean getting a player you want/need at a price equal or less than market value.  The exact opposite on most "day one of FA" deals.  This is something Walters does very well.  And the culture / coaching we have built here attracts players who aren't just playing for the money. 

ELC contracts, for any player, have one goal in mind.  A second, better deal.  Whether it is in the NFL after 1 year (Alford), or a FFA Payday aftter year two (Stove, Lawler, etc...), the WFC has been generating those opportunities for players.  Which will assist in recruitment / signing the next Alford, Stove, Lawler...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 06:02:50 PM
Either your reading comprehension is really bad, or you are just trolling.

Either way, value contracts mean getting a player you want/need at a price equal or less than market value.  The exact opposite on most "day one of FA" deals.  This is something Walters does very well.  And the culture / coaching we have built here attracts players who aren't just playing for the money. 

ELC contracts, for any player, have one goal in mind.  A second, better deal.  Whether it is in the NFL after 1 year (Alford), or a FFA Payday aftter year two (Stove, Lawler, etc...), the WFC has been generating those opportunities for players.  Which will assist in recruitment / signing the next Alford, Stove, Lawler...

My comprehension is fine and I'm definitely not trolling.

It's the whole " getting a player you want"  thought that those players are available and affordable after the big FA rush yesterday. Saying we couldn't afford this or that but can sign some significant player in the next week is getting less and less doubtful. 2nd and 3rd level players are being signed elsewhere as I type.

At best you get 3rd string players for the most part. Not because you really wanted them but because they are the least worst option still out there.

Signing rookie imports is volume shopping. NFL option clause is a ghost dream. Very few 1st year players have that happen.  Even 2nd year players don't have much success.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2022, 06:22:43 PM
My comprehension is fine and I'm definitely not trolling.

It's the whole " getting a player you want"  thought that those players are available and affordable after the big FA rush yesterday. Saying we couldn't afford this or that but can sign some significant player in the next week is getting less and less doubtful. 2nd and 3rd level players are being signed elsewhere as I type.

At best you get 3rd string players for the most part. Not because you really wanted them but because they are the least worst option still out there.

Signing rookie imports is volume shopping. NFL option clause is a ghost dream. Very few 1st year players have that happen.  Even 2nd year players don't have much success.

You understand the idea of "dream", right?  Ask Alford about his NFL dream.  Or Dejarlais, or Kongbo... they all got paid last year to play, refine their talents, make a highlight reel and get an NFL deal.  All while earning playoff money and getting a championship ring.

Will every player recruited get to live his "dream"?  Of course not, and they know that.  But seeing that some do, THAT is the key.  And the WFC has produced its fair share of dreams.

As to second or third tier players, what do you think a team is made of?  All "all stars"?  Did you get spoiled last year?  One of the toughest part of a GM's job is finding guys who can do the job at a price that fits SMS.  By definition, "the least worst option". 

Finding value players, guys that play better than their salaries, players who fit your system's needs so that they can achieve over what they are perceived to provide, that is where a GM earns his money. Anyone can offer Lawler $250k for 2 seasons, and anyone can outbid that with a $300k 1 year deal.  That's easy GM'ing that anyone can do.  It is rostering a team that has 15 out of 27 division all stars on it, 11 of 27 league... and using the same amount of SMS$ as a team that had 2 or 3 division or zero league nods.  Having that number of stars, and still filling out the roster and winning the season, and every playoff game...  THAT is a good GM job.



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 09, 2022, 06:50:01 PM
No word on whether we might get Grant back. He hasn't signed anywhere else yet as far as I can tell.

He was a late signing last year too. IIRC he goes to Mexico off the grid for a good portion of the offseason.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 06:52:58 PM
You understand the idea of "dream", right?  Ask Alford about his NFL dream.  Or Dejarlais, or Kongbo... they all got paid last year to play, refine their talents, make a highlight reel and get an NFL deal.  All while earning playoff money and getting a championship ring.

Will every player recruited get to live his "dream"?  Of course not, and they know that.  But seeing that some do, THAT is the key.  And the WFC has produced its fair share of dreams.

As to second or third tier players, what do you think a team is made of?  All "all stars"?  Did you get spoiled last year?  One of the toughest part of a GM's job is finding guys who can do the job at a price that fits SMS.  By definition, "the least worst option". 

Finding value players, guys that play better than their salaries, players who fit your system's needs so that they can achieve over what they are perceived to provide, that is where a GM earns his money. Anyone can offer Lawler $250k for 2 seasons, and anyone can outbid that with a $300k 1 year deal.  That's easy GM'ing that anyone can do.  It is rostering a team that has 15 out of 27 division all stars on it, 11 of 27 league... and using the same amount of SMS$ as a team that had 2 or 3 division or zero league nods.  Having that number of stars, and still filling out the roster and winning the season, and every playoff game...  THAT is a good GM job.



Scrap heap. That's how players like Roosevelt get added to the PR.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 09, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
Scrap heap. That's how players like Roosevelt get added to the PR.

Occasionally a gem can be added after the initial FA frenzy on the cheap. Mainly journeymen or guys on the last legs of their career though.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 07:05:24 PM
Occasionally a gem can be added after the initial FA frenzy on the cheap. Mainly journeymen or guys on the last legs of their career though.

Sure but it depends on where any team is during a transition. A good team that retains and drafts well is less likely to need that course of action. A team like Ottawa is more likely to need that resource.

Last year we got Benson to fill an important need. He was signed in Feb 2021.  OTOH we also brought in Crapigna ( not a gem ).

A. Harris is a good example although not on the scrap heap. He's an older player that had an injury problem season and not exactly going to be inexpensive. A decent risk for the Argos that had a need at RB and possibly with their ratio. As valuable as a leadership player as possibly on the field performance.



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 09, 2022, 07:13:43 PM
Sure but it depends on where any team is during a transition. A good team that retains and drafts well is less likely to need that course of action. A team like Ottawa is more likely to need that resource.

Last year we got Benson to fill an important need. He was signed in Feb 2021.

A. Harris is a good example although not on the scrap heap. He's an older player that had an injury problem season and not exactly going to be inexpensive. A decent risk for the Argos that had a need at RB and possibly with their ratio. As valuable as a leadership player as possibly on the field performance.


Will be interesting to know who the Canadian back up is going to be?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 09, 2022, 07:17:00 PM
Will be interesting to know who the Canadian back up is going to be?

Why would they automatically need a Canadian back up? Harris's first two years with us we had Flanders backing him up. You don't have to have a Canadian back up for him you can go IMP as back up and swap any IMP in your lineup with a NAT if he goes down.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 07:20:10 PM
Will be interesting to know who the Canadian back up is going to be?
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Ouellette?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 09, 2022, 07:23:32 PM
Will be interesting to know who the Canadian back up is going to be?
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Ouellette?

Possible, but honestly Harris is almost certainly a one and done in Toronto. I'm not sure if they'll put a lot of effort or emphasis on a NAT backup for him.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: DM83 on February 09, 2022, 08:05:07 PM
I could never heckle Andrew Harris
Lawler? Who?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 09, 2022, 08:51:14 PM
Why would they automatically need a Canadian back up? Harris's first two years with us we had Flanders backing him up. You don't have to have a Canadian back up for him you can go IMP as back up and swap any IMP in your lineup with a NAT if he goes down.

Last year the Argos used Foster both out of the slot and as a change of pace RB.  When their starting RB went down Foster stepped in pretty effectively.  I imagine that will be the plan again.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
Last year the Argos used Foster both out of the slot and as a change of pace RB.  When their starting RB went down Foster stepped in pretty effectively.  I imagine that will be the plan again.

Yes but they were already starting at import at RB. Ratio implications come into play any time you start a Canadian especially at ratio breaking positions.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 09, 2022, 10:28:48 PM
They have Declan Cross... may not be identical in talent to AH33, but he is the same size, good blocker and hands out of the backfield...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2022, 10:48:41 PM
Yes but they were already starting at import at RB. Ratio implications come into play any time you start a Canadian especially at ratio breaking positions.

The Argos may not even play Harris at RB, he could line up in the slot like Demski, and be used like Ricky Ray used Andre Durie many moons ago.  Mainly a check down receiver with 5-10 runs thrown in per game.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 09, 2022, 11:06:07 PM
The Argos may not even play Harris at RB, he could line up in the slot like Demski, and be used like Ricky Ray used Andre Durie many moons ago.  Mainly a check down receiver with 5-10 runs thrown in per game.

Not likely.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on February 10, 2022, 03:00:06 AM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
4h
Have been informed that ex-@Wpg_BlueBombers backup QB Sean McGuire is retired from football. Is embarking on a career in federal law enforcement.#CFL #Bombers


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 10, 2022, 03:11:51 AM
Yes but they were already starting at import at RB. Ratio implications come into play any time you start a Canadian especially at ratio breaking positions.

I don't think so.  Argos can play 4 Canadians on the offensive line, Gittens at WR, Muamba at MLB, and Acheampong at DT.  That's not even counting Brescanin or Calquhoun, both of whom can start if healthy.  They can play and sub Harris without relying on him to make ratio. Which is the smart thing to do given his age and recent history.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2022, 01:27:20 PM
I don't think so.  Argos can play 4 Canadians on the offensive line, Gittens at WR, Muamba at MLB, and Acheampong at DT.  That's not even counting Brescanin or Calquhoun, both of whom can start if healthy.  They can play and sub Harris without relying on him to make ratio. Which is the smart thing to do given his age and recent history.

It's not as easy as that. It means you roster an import RB that possibly sits as a DI. If he plays well on ST's that's not bad but it's not common in this era. You have to consider the replacement aspect in the equation. A team might be able to have that extra import that isn't a DI that could work in rotation or different offensive formations.

That is also uncommon. More likely that import sits on the PR.  We'll see how this works out.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GCn19 on February 10, 2022, 01:30:56 PM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
4h
Have been informed that ex-@Wpg_BlueBombers backup QB Sean McGuire is retired from football. Is embarking on a career in federal law enforcement.#CFL #Bombers

Probably the right decision for McGuire. Thanks for your service and I wish you well.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 10, 2022, 02:00:02 PM
It's not as easy as that. It means you roster an import RB that possibly sits as a DI. If he plays well on ST's that's not bad but it's not common in this era. You have to consider the replacement aspect in the equation. A team might be able to have that extra import that isn't a DI that could work in rotation or different offensive formations.

That is also uncommon. More likely that import sits on the PR.  We'll see how this works out.

You are missing the point.  They rostered Foster all year last year even when White was healthy.  They can do it again, and still make ratio easily.  Switching White out for Harris doesn't make ratio harder, it makes it easier.  Don't over think this....


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2022, 02:28:56 PM
You are missing the point.  They rostered Foster all year last year even when White was healthy.  They can do it again, and still make ratio easily.  Switching White out for Harris doesn't make ratio harder, it makes it easier.  Don't over think this....

I'm not missing any point. Last year was last year and rosters are being overhauled. No guarantee Foster or White make the 2022 roster.  It means less playing time for those players which may create issues. Starting a Canadian at RB allows the Argos to reconsider adding an import at another position instead of RB. That may happen or they may just have 1 import instead of 2 on the AR.

Like I said we'll see.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2022, 03:35:19 PM
I don't think so.  Argos can play 4 Canadians on the offensive line, Gittens at WR, Muamba at MLB, and Acheampong at DT.  That's not even counting Brescanin or Calquhoun, both of whom can start if healthy.  They can play and sub Harris without relying on him to make ratio. Which is the smart thing to do given his age and recent history.

Not to mention the direct swap for Cross.  Who play a large number of snaps for Toronto last year anyways...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 10, 2022, 08:19:19 PM
Gotta say I'm getting disappointed with the lack of activity by the bombers.Now Tremaine Washington and Ambles are off the board.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blueraid on February 10, 2022, 08:23:02 PM
Gotta say I'm getting disappointed with the lack of activity by the bombers.Now Tremaine Washington and Ambles are off the board.

We must have some cash in the kitty after dropping a lot of salary...I wonder what we're saving it for.....???


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 10, 2022, 09:14:01 PM
Crickets again. It's looking less and less that we're adding any other free agents. The list got shorter by 2 of those that might have been fits in Winnipeg: Washington and Cunningham is SMS hit was reasonable.

It may not have been reasonable but Redblacks are finding a way.

IDK. Perhaps still trying to get a couple of Bombers back from 2021.

Still no Hansen. If we aren't bringing him back you'd think another team would be jumping to get him.

I haven't noticed any Global players being signed or re-signed? Does this mean something or coincidence?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2022, 09:36:46 PM
We must have some cash in the kitty after dropping a lot of salary...I wonder what we're saving it for.....???

We haven't "dropped a lot of salary".  Other than Harris, who's salary is eaten up by BO20 and JA27, most of the "salary we dropped" players were not making large coin, and we already had to give out raises to many that we re-signed.  Not sure why anyone thinks we have "coin to spare"...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: the paw on February 10, 2022, 10:27:05 PM
Bombers sign Tyquan Glass.  Rumour is they weren't actually sure they needed him, but they had to sign someone to keep the forums from rebelling....


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ichabod_crane on February 10, 2022, 11:27:56 PM
Probably the right decision for McGuire. Thanks for your service and I wish you well.

He certainly is a big guy, probably will do well in law enforcement. QB wise he stunk the joint out badly in his one start. Backup QB has to be more than money on 3rd down runs and holding for field goals in this league.

As of now Brown is the backup. No clue what his skills are like as he was almost invisible last season. Seems like the Bombers are going to rely on scouting to find the "next" one for this season. All other FA QB's left are retreads. Nichols would be passable IF and ONLY IF he is fully healthy and not with a bum throwing arm/elbow still.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 10, 2022, 11:51:56 PM
Bombers sign Tyquan Glass.  Rumour is they weren't actually sure they needed him, but they had to sign someone to keep the forums from rebelling....
Don't think Willie will be impressed either


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jets on February 11, 2022, 12:18:03 AM
Maybe the little bit of extra money that was left from losing Castillo and not bringing back Harris is being dangled at Streveler.  One can hope.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2022, 12:28:16 AM
Bombers sign Tyquan Glass.  Rumour is they weren't actually sure they needed him, but they had to sign someone to keep the forums from rebelling....

He's not a bad DB but had an injury in 2021? Only played 7 games. Is he an upgrade to Jones and / or less expensive? Maybe Jones wanted to go elsewhere for other reasons. His stats look ok.

They switched teams essentially.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 11, 2022, 02:14:31 PM
Brandon Alexader re-signs through 2023!!


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 11, 2022, 02:15:29 PM
Great to see Alexander return for 2. Key secondary contributor. We know Glen Suitor loves him lol.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 11, 2022, 03:22:08 PM
Alexander is back, that's great news. Now we just need to ensure his rehab goes well.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2022, 03:39:30 PM
Great to see Alexander return for 2. Key secondary contributor. We know Glen Suitor loves him lol.

Probably a 1 1/2 year contract... seeing as how he is slated to miss the first half the season rehabbing... ;)


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2022, 03:53:54 PM
Probably a 1 1/2 year contract... seeing as how he is slated to miss the first half the season rehabbing... ;)

AH missed half a year, did he get a 1/2 year contract. He will go on the IR and will be paid just like any other injured player.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2022, 04:07:09 PM
AH missed half a year, did he get a 1/2 year contract. He will go on the IR and will be paid just like any other injured player.

The winky smiley face was an indicator that this was meant to be taken humourously... (or humorously for you Wordle people)


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2022, 05:29:03 PM
Wonder what's taking us so long to sign mmmbop.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2022, 05:43:21 PM
Wonder what's taking us so long to sign mmmbop.

....wut?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2022, 06:10:02 PM
....wut?

Come on Jessie, Hansen (mmmbop). My daughter us to play that song 10 times a day.

On another note with all the restriction going away, ELi should be high on the bombers list.



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: ModAdmin on February 11, 2022, 06:16:27 PM
I think Hanson was a singing group and MMMbop was one of their albums.  Probably code for Thiadric.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2022, 06:49:18 PM
Come on Jessie, Hansen (mmmbop). My daughter us to play that song 10 times a day.

On another note with all the restriction going away, ELi should be high on the bombers list.



Whew! Right over my head. And I had that album growing up (Even ModAdmin got the reference).

Hanson is currently playing in the Polish football league from whence he came. I'm sure he'll sign once he wins them another championship.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2022, 06:54:42 PM
Whew! Right over my head. And I had that album growing up (Even ModAdmin got the reference).

Hanson is currently playing in the Polish football league from whence he came. I'm sure he'll sign once he wins them another championship.

I am wondering what the PFL pays a player.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2022, 06:57:53 PM
I am wondering what the PFL pays a player.

Several rubles a game, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2022, 02:15:56 PM
INT DB Nichols re-signs through 2023: https://www.bluebombers.com/2022/02/14/blue-bombers-extend-contract-cfl-star-defensive-back-deatrick-nichols-2023/ (https://www.bluebombers.com/2022/02/14/blue-bombers-extend-contract-cfl-star-defensive-back-deatrick-nichols-2023/)


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2022, 06:21:11 PM
INT QB Prukop signs with the team: https://3downnation.com/2022/02/15/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-veteran-cfl-quarterback-dakota-prukop/ (https://3downnation.com/2022/02/15/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-veteran-cfl-quarterback-dakota-prukop/)


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pigskin on February 15, 2022, 06:27:03 PM
Well that didn't take long. He has CFL experience and is very mobile. Can run the shortage O.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 15, 2022, 06:32:55 PM
I expected that (signing of Prukop).

But I still expect the Bombers to bring in "more experienced" QB if someone becomes available.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: TBURGESS on February 15, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
Better than nothing I guess.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2022, 06:39:04 PM
INT QB Prukop signs with the team: https://3downnation.com/2022/02/15/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-veteran-cfl-quarterback-dakota-prukop/ (https://3downnation.com/2022/02/15/winnipeg-blue-bombers-agree-to-terms-with-veteran-cfl-quarterback-dakota-prukop/)

One year contract: https://www.bluebombers.com/2022/02/15/blue-bombers-agree-terms-quarterback-dakota-prukop/ (https://www.bluebombers.com/2022/02/15/blue-bombers-agree-terms-quarterback-dakota-prukop/)


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 15, 2022, 06:40:36 PM
Depending on the spend, probably one of the best signings this year.  Chris Jones has handed us a top WR and a backup QB.  I'm liking his style... for us.  

Sounds like a perfect fit, really...

I expected that (signing of Prukop).

But I still expect the Bombers to bring in "more experienced" QB if someone becomes available.

I can't see needing a "more experienced" QB... he has dressed for 49 games in the CFL... 27 carries last year, and 26 passes in 8 games... I think he is the perfect amount of experience and youth... won't please either camp (the "More experience" or the "more potential" sides) which means its perfect  ;)


"Prukop began his collegiate career at Montana State, transferring to Oregon after graduating in 2016 to pursue his Masters in non-profit management."   Non Profit Management?  Really?  I guess that's a lockerroom fit...



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 15, 2022, 06:48:27 PM
Depending on the spend, probably one of the best signings this year.  Chris Jones has handed us a top WR and a backup QB.  I'm liking his style... for us.  

Sounds like a perfect fit, really...

I can't see needing a "more experienced" QB... he has dressed for 49 games in the CFL... 27 carries last year, and 26 passes in 8 games... I think he is the perfect amount of experience and youth... won't please either camp (the "More experience" or the "more potential" sides) which means its perfect  ;)


"Prukop began his collegiate career at Montana State, transferring to Oregon after graduating in 2016 to pursue his Masters in non-profit management."   Non Profit Management?  Really?  I guess that's a lockerroom fit...



If Strevy's asks will fit Bombers cap don't you think the Bombers will not bring him in and cut either Brown or Prukop on the process?
I think the Bombers will do it in a heartbeat.

How about if Arbuckle becomes available? Don't you think the Bombers will not inquire on his services?
 

 


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 15, 2022, 07:00:59 PM
If Strevy's asks will fit Bombers cap don't you think the Bombers will not bring him in and cut either Brown or Prukop on the process?
I think the Bombers will do it in a heartbeat.

How about if Arbuckle becomes available? Don't you think the Bombers will not inquire on his services?
 

Elks only have Cornelius and Arbuckle with CFL experience, why do you think Arbuckle would come available?  Jones might be crazy, but he's not stupid.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 15, 2022, 07:05:41 PM
Better than nothing I guess.

I'm still crossing my fingers for the return of Dom Davis.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 15, 2022, 07:15:03 PM
If Strevy's asks will fit Bombers cap don't you think the Bombers will not bring him in and cut either Brown or Prukop on the process?
I think the Bombers will do it in a heartbeat.

How about if Arbuckle becomes available? Don't you think the Bombers will not inquire on his services?
 

 

"ask fits the Bombers cap" is the key.. Prukop has the right balance of experience and inexperience that puts his ask in the Bombers cap.  Strevey, Arbuckle are going to have much larger asks...


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 15, 2022, 07:16:46 PM
Elks only have Cornelius and Arbuckle with CFL experience, why do you think Arbuckle would come available?  Jones might be crazy, but he's not stupid.

McAdoo love athletic QBs and I dont think Arbuckle fits on his preference. Cornelius is. Plus Jones will be Jones. He brought in J.T. Barrett and he will give him all the chance in the world to be on the game roster.

If I have to make a guess, they will start the season with Cornelius as #1 and Barrett as their #2.

EDIT:
This is a quote from the 3down Insider Talk.
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Between J.T. Barrett, Khalil Tate, and Kai Locksley, it?s pretty clear that Edmonton is looking for their own version of Chris Streveler ? an athletic quarterback who can do a lot more than just throw the ball. With only two quarterback spots on the roster, they could dress one of those guys as a receiver and have him serve as the No. 3 quarterback. (Head coach and general manager Chris) Jones has had guys like that before with Jordan Lynch (in Edmonton) and David Watford (in Saskatchewan). I?m not saying those guys are Streveler, but they?re multi-faceted like him.




Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 15, 2022, 07:23:49 PM
"ask fits the Bombers cap" is the key.. Prukop has the right balance of experience and inexperience that puts his ask in the Bombers cap.  Strevey, Arbuckle are going to have much larger asks...

and as always once a player is signed by the Bombers he instantly become a "stud" player in your eyes.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on February 15, 2022, 07:34:08 PM
hopefully we still bring in a few qbs to compete. Prukop isnt an upgrade to Mcquire and Mcquire wasn't good enough


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on February 15, 2022, 08:00:30 PM
and as always once a player is signed by the Bombers he instantly become a "stud" player in your eyes.

Not sure where you get that from... never once praised him or his play, only commented on his experience and his implied price tag fitting into the equation for the Bombers. 

In his limited reps, he hasn't stunk the place out, Huff liked him enough to give him a shot, Walters (and by association, MOS and Buck) obviously think he has enough going for him to bring him in.

For guys that wanted more experience than Dru Brown, here's 4 years of CFL, 49 games dressed.  Sure, its not Harris, but more than Brown.  And certainly not Harris' price tag.

He's 28, so his best years are ahead of him.  He's coming to a team with some pretty awesome O assets, the best Oline in the league, good RB's and some premium targets.  What more could a QB want?  Win/win, really...

Whether he is "the next Streveler" or on his last CFL backup deal, time will tell.   


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on February 15, 2022, 10:08:22 PM
Not sure where you get that from... never once praised him or his play, only commented on his experience and his implied price tag fitting into the equation for the Bombers. 

In his limited reps, he hasn't stunk the place out, Huff liked him enough to give him a shot, Walters (and by association, MOS and Buck) obviously think he has enough going for him to bring him in.

For guys that wanted more experience than Dru Brown, here's 4 years of CFL, 49 games dressed.  Sure, its not Harris, but more than Brown.  And certainly not Harris' price tag.

He's 28, so his best years are ahead of him.  He's coming to a team with some pretty awesome O assets, the best Oline in the league, good RB's and some premium targets.  What more could a QB want?  Win/win, really...

Whether he is "the next Streveler" or on his last CFL backup deal, time will tell.  

Harris signed for $125K according to the reporting. Not sure what Prukop got but I doubt it was ELC. Perhaps $80K? It's not like he's several hundred thousand dollars less.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on February 15, 2022, 10:14:20 PM
Not sure where you get that from... never once praised him or his play, only commented on his experience and his implied price tag fitting into the equation for the Bombers. 

In his limited reps, he hasn't stunk the place out, Huff liked him enough to give him a shot, Walters (and by association, MOS and Buck) obviously think he has enough going for him to bring him in.

For guys that wanted more experience than Dru Brown, here's 4 years of CFL, 49 games dressed.  Sure, its not Harris, but more than Brown.  And certainly not Harris' price tag.

He's 28, so his best years are ahead of him.  He's coming to a team with some pretty awesome O assets, the best Oline in the league, good RB's and some premium targets.  What more could a QB want?  Win/win, really...

Whether he is "the next Streveler" or on his last CFL backup deal, time will tell.   

they don't have any other options though. they can't be choosy.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: dd on February 15, 2022, 11:51:55 PM
Harris signed for $125K according to the reporting. Not sure what Prukop got but I doubt it was ELC. Perhaps $80K? It's not like he's several hundred thousand dollars less.
Harris for $125k is a steal, I wish we could have signed him


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: M.O.A.B. on March 30, 2022, 09:27:29 PM
If Strevy's asks will fit Bombers cap don't you think the Bombers will not bring him in and cut either Brown or Prukop on the process?
I think the Bombers will do it in a heartbeat.

How about if Arbuckle becomes available? Don't you think the Bombers will not inquire on his services?

Elks only have Cornelius and Arbuckle with CFL experience, why do you think Arbuckle would come available?  Jones might be crazy, but he's not stupid.

Just want to bump this...  ;D


@CFL_News
"There was some talk about the #CFLCombine that the #Elks have been looking to trade QB Nick Arbuckle for quite some time." -
@JDunk12

#CFL #Elks via @3DownNation



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on March 31, 2022, 02:30:56 AM
Just want to bump this...  ;D


@CFL_News
"There was some talk about the #CFLCombine that the #Elks have been looking to trade QB Nick Arbuckle for quite some time." -
@JDunk12

#CFL #Elks via @3DownNation



Jones wants JT Barrett to be the QB coming out of camp... he's wanted him since his first go round with the EE


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 31, 2022, 10:32:40 PM
Just want to bump this...  ;D


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Yeesh, Arbuckle is earning quite the reputation, seems nobody wants him on their team.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on April 01, 2022, 01:24:25 AM
Yeesh, Arbuckle is earning quite the reputation, seems nobody wants him on their team.
Seems to becoming more and more the case. Maybe he has some Attitude problem?


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Blue In BC on April 01, 2022, 02:36:07 PM
Seems to becoming more and more the case. Maybe he has some Attitude problem?

It does make you wonder. OTOH if he becomes available I'd be interested to see the Bombers inquire what's the deal. SMS hit could be too high but if he's going to be released / traded that could be part of the new negotiation.

From a skill point of view he'd be preferable to Prukop or Brown in theory.


Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: theaardvark on April 01, 2022, 02:42:59 PM
Looks like Jones might just have to cut Arbuckle... sounds like Jones has had some feelers out to Kaeperninck and there might be interest in a one year deal to prove he's still got it.

Would be interesting for sure...



Title: Re: Free Agency - February 8th, 2022 - Blue Bomber Discusssion/Signings
Post by: Pete on April 01, 2022, 08:27:21 PM
I could see BC making a deal for Arbuckle, its a good story having 2 canadian qbs but i think Arbuckle would give them a better chance.


Title: Re: Blue Bombers add former Kansas State receiver Dalton Schoen
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 09, 2022, 09:00:08 PM
Currently the Bombers have signed 5 rookie import receivers. I'd expect another 8 or so by TC since we lost : Adams, Lawler, Nelson and Grant.

Where is Grant??  FA Tracker says --crickets--.  I can't imagine we aren't signing him and no one else wants him??

Are we really going to ditch him, what, just because he has fumblitis once in a while still?  Ok, so maybe he's been disappointing as a receiver / ball carrier as well.  But many teams have a returner-only DI, it's a feasible option.

But if we ditched Nelson too, we're back to "no returner" limbo again, like we've been so many times in the past.  Or do we still have Cooper, who doesn't inspire gobs of confidence.


Title: Re: Blue Bombers add former Kansas State receiver Dalton Schoen
Post by: Blue In BC on April 09, 2022, 11:07:10 PM
Where is Grant??  FA Tracker says --crickets--.  I can't imagine we aren't signing him and no one else wants him??

Are we really going to ditch him, what, just because he has fumblitis once in a while still?  Ok, so maybe he's been disappointing as a receiver / ball carrier as well.  But many teams have a returner-only DI, it's a feasible option.

But if we ditched Nelson too, we're back to "no returner" limbo again, like we've been so many times in the past.  Or do we still have Cooper, who doesn't inspire gobs of confidence.


I don't think Grant had ball control issues. I only remember about 3 in 2 seasons. I don't think we ditched him. Ball was in his court? He may be holding out for an NFL opportunity and that might be clarified after the NFL draft etc. He may return to the CFL although it may not be with the Bombers. How big a raise does he want if he returns.

I also wouldn't say he was a disappointment as a receiver or ball carrier. Small sample size and teams tend to let their returner just focus on that very important role. Losing receivers this year I would have expected him to be looked at more as a receiver. That assumes we could replace him as well as a returner in order to do that. Last thing we needed would be to have Cooper or McKnight as the best option as returners while Grant became a starting receiver.

Cooper is no longer with the team. Signed in Vancouver I believe.

Nelson would have been a safe bet to return as a contingency Plan B but no doubt he got a bit of a bump in salary moving elsewhere.


Title: Re: Blue Bombers add former Kansas State receiver Dalton Schoen
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 10, 2022, 05:41:19 AM
I don't think Grant had ball control issues. I only remember about 3 in 2 seasons. I don't think we ditched him. Ball was in his court? He may be holding out for an NFL opportunity and that might be clarified after the NFL draft etc. He may return to the CFL although it may not be with the Bombers. How big a raise does he want if he returns.

I also wouldn't say he was a disappointment as a receiver or ball carrier. Small sample size and teams tend to let their returner just focus on that very important role. Losing receivers this year I would have expected him to be looked at more as a receiver. That assumes we could replace him as well as a returner in order to do that. Last thing we needed would be to have Cooper or McKnight as the best option as returners while Grant became a starting receiver.

Cooper is no longer with the team. Signed in Vancouver I believe.

Nelson would have been a safe bet to return as a contingency Plan B but no doubt he got a bit of a bump in salary moving elsewhere.

Grant was well-known in the NFL as a fumbler, that's why he came up north.  It may have only been 3-4 fumbles in WPG, but he picks the very worst times, like fumbling in the '21 GC in Q1.  If we aren't making him an offer he likes, this is likely the cause.  You see how MOS told Grant to just run for the sideline on every return after that?  BLM even noted it.  MOS not happy.  Point is, he hasn't fixed the problem yet.

Receiver/carrier "small sample size" is precisely because he disappointed.  We tried him on sweeps a few times and maybe 1-2 passes down the rail and they all resulted in nothing, from my memory.  He also fumbled that initial sweep in the '19 GC (luckily we kept the ball) and that had MOS keep him off the O for the entire rest of game.

I think Nelson blew his make or break year and we're not interested unless we get into desperation mode.

I say all this as both a Grant & Nelson fan.  I think Grant is worth the odd fumble.  But not for massive money.  I'd let Nelson walk: I'm not sure he gets signed anywhere.  If Cooper's gone then we are back to hoping a rookie returner shines.


Title: Re: Blue Bombers add former Kansas State receiver Dalton Schoen
Post by: Blue In BC on April 10, 2022, 01:20:02 PM
Grant was well-known in the NFL as a fumbler, that's why he came up north.  It may have only been 3-4 fumbles in WPG, but he picks the very worst times, like fumbling in the '21 GC in Q1.  If we aren't making him an offer he likes, this is likely the cause.  You see how MOS told Grant to just run for the sideline on every return after that?  BLM even noted it.  MOS not happy.  Point is, he hasn't fixed the problem yet.

Receiver/carrier "small sample size" is precisely because he disappointed.  We tried him on sweeps a few times and maybe 1-2 passes down the rail and they all resulted in nothing, from my memory.  He also fumbled that initial sweep in the '19 GC (luckily we kept the ball) and that had MOS keep him off the O for the entire rest of game.

I think Nelson blew his make or break year and we're not interested unless we get into desperation mode.

I say all this as both a Grant & Nelson fan.  I think Grant is worth the odd fumble.  But not for massive money.  I'd let Nelson walk: I'm not sure he gets signed anywhere.  If Cooper's gone then we are back to hoping a rookie returner shines.


When is a fumble ever at a good time?

You have no idea whether the Bombers offered him a contract or not. Neither do I.  Nobody suggested he should be offered massive money.


Title: Re: Blue Bombers add former Kansas State receiver Dalton Schoen
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on April 10, 2022, 02:03:55 PM
Funny thing is we had Whitehead, who was definitely a fan favourite who could play the receivers role and return kicks and we let him walk.    He then became one of BC's primary receivers.    Nelson never really impressed me and Grant albeit a legitimate threat to score, has a problem holding on to the ball.   

Going into the new season without proven kickers or returners puts a BIG question mark on our special teams status.    Without Castillo or Medlock we don't win either of those last two Cups so we'd better hope our scouting comes up big for us in both categories.   I'm not banking on either Mourtada or Legghio to come through but then again one of them just might prove me wrong..