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Title: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on December 15, 2021, 06:59:00 AM
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Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Freebird on December 15, 2021, 05:06:20 PM
?I do want to be here (Hamilton) but I think I owe it to myself to see what free agency is about.? ?
@Ticats Dane Evans.

https://twitter.com/tsndavenaylor/status/1470806260115288069?s=21


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 15, 2021, 05:15:40 PM
?I do want to be here (Hamilton) but I think I owe it to myself to see what free agency is about.? ?
@Ticats Dane Evans.

https://twitter.com/tsndavenaylor/status/1470806260115288069?s=21
wow


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 15, 2021, 05:23:19 PM
Good for him...he's going to test the waters and no doubt Ottawa comes calling, so Tabbies will have to buck up if they want to keep him. You only get so many years to make your $$$, good for him, he deserves to be a starter somewhere and get paid accordingly.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on December 15, 2021, 07:29:33 PM
He's the best back up ever.
Yeah he should have his pick of eight teams.
could be  a carousel of moves, this off-season

is "Matty Ice" still going to play?  Man, Sask could use a guy who would not choke.
Colaros could make a lot of money!
Reilly should move on.  BC certainly didnt work....although if they can allocate some money to defensive guys.

Montreal ?? they have  a solid group, if Adams settles down and reads rather than runs.
The guy in Toronto is awesome for the CFL.  throw for 400 yards  and three int's every game......  fun to watch though.

Plus him and Dinwiddie have beautiful eyes........lol!



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 15, 2021, 11:41:57 PM
Reilly is going to take a pay cut whether he stays in bc or moves to Ottawa. Be interesting to see who gets signed first, the up and coming Evans, or the declining, aging Reilly. I know who I?d sign first and he doesn?t wear #13.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 16, 2021, 12:06:40 AM
Reilly is going to take a pay cut whether he stays in bc or moves to Ottawa. Be interesting to see who gets signed first, the up and coming Evans, or the declining, aging Reilly. I know who I?d sign first and he doesn?t wear #13.

Reilly and LaPo???  Mixes like oil and water.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 16, 2021, 01:03:11 AM
Reilly?s stock took a massive hit in his 2 years in BC, he sucked big time. Rourke came in the last game and was an instant spark, it?s like the team quit on Reilly and was totally responding to Rourke. I can see BC signing Evans and going with the 2 young guns.

I don?t think we have the cap,room for Collaros and Evans, but we should go after pipkin as he ll be the odd man out in Montreal and he?d be a very decent backup for us here and not a huge cap hit.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 16, 2021, 01:08:52 AM
https://3downnation.com/2021/12/14/roughriders-sign-seven-players-including-regina-native-nicholas-dheilly/


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 16, 2021, 01:13:11 AM
https://3downnation.com/2021/12/14/canuck-cavalcade-b-c-lions-re-sign-six-canadians/


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 16, 2021, 01:32:30 AM
https://www.cfl.ca/2021/12/15/elks-extend-db-grymes-four-others/


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 16, 2021, 03:00:45 AM
Reilly?s stock took a massive hit in his 2 years in BC, he sucked big time. Rourke came in the last game and was an instant spark, it?s like the team quit on Reilly and was totally responding to Rourke. I can see BC signing Evans and going with the 2 young guns.

I don?t think we have the cap,room for Collaros and Evans, but we should go after pipkin as he ll be the odd man out in Montreal and he?d be a very decent backup for us here and not a huge cap hit.

Pipkin is with the Argos, do you mean Schiltz?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on December 16, 2021, 07:08:36 AM
Reilly?s stock took a massive hit in his 2 years in BC, he sucked big time. Rourke came in the last game and was an instant spark, it?s like the team quit on Reilly and was totally responding to Rourke. I can see BC signing Evans and going with the 2 young guns.

I don?t think we have the cap,room for Collaros and Evans, but we should go after pipkin as he ll be the odd man out in Montreal and he?d be a very decent backup for us here and not a huge cap hit.

If Trevor Harris stays in Montreal, he will have to take a massive pay cut too. His stock dove this season. I think Adams is still Khari's guy, but it all depends on how serious his season ending injury was too.

Reilly really is no more than backup material to me at this point. Not handing a starting job to him unless he comes out of the bullpen on fire. Even Bo Levi, he might have to do a rotation with the backup QB if his health issues never fully heal.

No idea whom Sask has for a backup QB. In a similar situation to the Bombers I think. Don't really need a 1A/1B QB in Winnipeg, but need either a good up and comer or a decent veteran backup who knows his role.

Ottawa in most desperate mode. Brought in a lot of young guns later in the season but can't bank on them quite yet. So I expect them to definitely be in the QB market and other free agent players once they get their new GM in place. Would not be surprised if LaPolice convinces a few of the Bombers top quality backups to sign there to get a chance at a starting job.

If Matt Nichols has anything left in the tank, he maybe comes back to the Bombers as a backup. A chronic bum shoulder on your throwing arm has ended many QB's careers though. He had two years to recover and did not look at all like the QB he once was early on this season with Ottawa.


MacBeth in Argoville is no lock either. Argo's probably looking to upgrade as well in that position. Can get a hot hand at times, but usually an interception machine. Truly one of the most strangest CFL seasons in my living memory! ;)


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 16, 2021, 07:41:14 AM
The 1 year contracts are bloody annoying as hell! Not fan or league friendly at all!

Walters has a daunting task yet again.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on December 16, 2021, 03:12:59 PM
The Montreal Alouettes announced on Thursday that the club has extended the contracts of quarterback Vernon Adams Jr., which now goes through the 2023 season, as well as receiver Eugene Lewis, who signed a one-year deal with the club.

https://www.cfl.ca/2021/12/16/als-sign-vernon-adams-jr-eugene-lewis-extensions/


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue72 on December 16, 2021, 03:41:21 PM
No thanks to bringing Nichols back, he is scared to take a hit so how will he be about to do short yardage plays? He gets hurt to easily now, to old for a backup.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 16, 2021, 03:49:33 PM
No thanks to bringing Nichols back, he is scared to take a hit so how will he be about to do short yardage plays? He gets hurt to easily now, to old for a backup.
agreed Nichols should retire.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on December 16, 2021, 06:27:40 PM
agreed Nichols should retire.

He probably won't have a choice.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 16, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
He probably won't have a choice.

This. Methinks he's done based on how 2021 went for him.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 16, 2021, 09:49:47 PM
I wouldn't count all the veteran QBs out so soon.  While they took their licks and didn't have good seasons, they could rehab and play well next year.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 16, 2021, 10:44:52 PM
This. Methinks he's done based on how 2021 went for him.

I think the Bombers thought he was done after the 2019 season.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 17, 2021, 01:04:26 AM
I hope BLM and MN come back and play but watching mitchel struggle with his throwing motion and not putting and zip on the ball, it looks like there is structural damage done. Nichols has had more than his share of serious injuries, a body can only take so much. I wonder if he?d consider a backup role in Winnipeg to help prolong his career?? He wouldn?t have to throw his shoulder out every game, most games he?d only throw a couple of passes, if that. If not, I m thinking he?s retiring and BLM is likely going to be doing colour on TSN telecasts. I actually didn?t mind him in the grey cup telecast.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 17, 2021, 01:25:00 AM
This feels like those few years where we were losing Ray, Burris, Glenn and Lulay.  That dealt a blow to the quality of QB in the league.  I think we're still working back up to that level of play.  A bit sad.

If the league now loses BLM, Mike(al) Reilly and Nichols to retirement in the next 0 to 2 years, that's going to leave an even bigger hole of "star power" QBs.

CFL needs some new star QBs and fast.  Even Zach isn't going to last many years longer...

A league where the best QBs are MBT, Masoli, Evans, Fajardo, Maier, VAJ, Caleb, Arbuckle is not going to be terribly entertaining.  Some of them are good, but you don't replace Cavillo, Ray, Burris, BLM and MR with those guys and keep the same level of product.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Waffler on December 17, 2021, 11:54:36 AM
I recall the entire panel and most of the media saying another QB should retire. His name was Colloras. Nichols needs a team around him, he's more of quick decision and get the ball out guy. Nothing wrong with that.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: RebusRankin on December 17, 2021, 12:51:47 PM
Nichols was a huge part of the turn around that led to back to back Grey Cups but at this time, I think he's done as it seems to be a shoulder issue which has caused the end of many a QB's career.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on December 17, 2021, 03:27:11 PM
Anyone who puts Nichols in the same group with BLM and Reilly doesn't know QB's.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on December 17, 2021, 04:37:53 PM
I wouldn't count all the veteran QBs out so soon.  While they took their licks and didn't have good seasons, they could rehab and play well next year.

It's more about willingness to become the # 2 QB and the cut that comes along with it. Assuming the injuries are in the rear view mirror.

Openings for QB's and their ability to play on a given team depends on the rest of the roster. Using Nichols as an example, he's not a mobile QB and needs a solid OL.  Others like Masoli who is more mobile has different options.

The QB musical chairs in free agency will be interesting. There might be a few retirements also in the mix.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 17, 2021, 06:18:47 PM
It's more about willingness to become the # 2 QB and the cut that comes along with it. Assuming the injuries are in the rear view mirror.

Openings for QB's and their ability to play on a given team depends on the rest of the roster. Using Nichols as an example, he's not a mobile QB and needs a solid OL.  Others like Masoli who is more mobile has different options.

The QB musical chairs in free agency will be interesting. There might be a few retirements also in the mix.

It will be interesting, I predict Zach plays at least another 2 years which is too long to worry about who their next starting QB will be, but I'm pretty sure it won't be McGuire.  So in the meantime they have to bring in a QB as a cheap place-holder who isn't raw and can win at least 50% of the games they play as Zach's injury replacement.  Depending on who gets cut will determine the options but one name I think will probably be available is Dom Davis!

We know all about the bad with Davis, but the good is 6 years CFL experience, excellent athlete with a great toolbox, and a solid education in the LaPo/Buck offence.  Give Dom control of the Bomber O and he's not likely to become a world beater, but he shouldn't have a problem winning 50% or more of the games he has to start behind the CFL's best O-line.  If nothing else he's a better option than McGuire as a place-holder.





Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 17, 2021, 06:41:58 PM
If Shiltz is available, I would be all in on him. He played very well for Montreal this year.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 17, 2021, 07:01:10 PM
If Shiltz is available, I would be all in on him. He played very well for Montreal this year.

Agreed, but unless they keep Trevor Harris to backup Adams, Schiltz stays.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 17, 2021, 07:55:36 PM
Agreed, but unless they keep Trevor Harris to backup Adams, Schiltz stays.

Agree.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on December 17, 2021, 08:45:01 PM
I'm torn on wanting to get a good insurance policy-vet-capable-experienced-know what ya get- QB in FA as backup and trying to find the next guy. Even assuming Zach stays healthy, he's not 25 and we have to start thinking longer term. It's also the CFL where "long term" isn't a thing and if we are able to keep this group intact we need to continue to act win-now. So I dunno.

Maybe Shiltz is a nice combination of those features.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 17, 2021, 11:52:05 PM
I'm torn on wanting to get a good insurance policy-vet-capable-experienced-know what ya get- QB in FA as backup and trying to find the next guy. Even assuming Zach stays healthy, he's not 25 and we have to start thinking longer term. It's also the CFL where "long term" isn't a thing and if we are able to keep this group intact we need to continue to act win-now. So I dunno.

Maybe Shiltz is a nice combination of those features.

If they want to make hay while the sun shines and ride the pony to another championship they need to bring in a semi-experienced vet to backup Collaros.  They were lucky he didn't miss any games this past season but chances are they won't be as lucky next season.  Whether Zach misses 2 games or 6, a QB with previous CFL experience should be able to keep them in the hunt for a playoff spot while Zach recovers, maintaining a 50% record would be adequate. Strev. filled that role in 2019 when Nichols went down, hopefully they can find a known quantity good enough to manage the offence reasonably well instead of gambling on an unknown rookie to salvage their season.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 18, 2021, 12:41:11 AM
Agreed, but unless they keep Trevor Harris to backup Adams, Schiltz stays.
Harris backing up Adams?? I don?t get the hoopla over Adams, grossly over rated, massively inconsistent and emotionally a nutcase. Remember the Bighill helmet swinging incident and every time he throws and interception he?s losing it on the sideline.

If I was montreal, I d be bringing Harris and Adams back, nobody is backing up nobody and may the best Qb win and the other backup. Montreal will kick themselves if they let Harris goes just like Edmonton is doing now. Thanks elizondo for your legacy!!!

I d also take Dane Evans over both of those guys combined!!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on December 18, 2021, 12:43:51 AM
If they want to make hay while the sun shines and ride the pony to another championship they need to bring in a semi-experienced vet to backup Collaros.  They were lucky he didn't miss any games this past season but chances are they won't be as lucky next season.  Whether Zach misses 2 games or 6, a QB with previous CFL experience should be able to keep them in the hunt for a playoff spot while Zach recovers, maintaining a 50% record would be adequate. Strev. filled that role in 2019 when Nichols went down, hopefully they can find a known quantity good enough to manage the offence reasonably well instead of gambling on an unknown rookie to salvage their season.

I agree with this assessment 100%. Nobody unseating Collaros while he is healthy and a 3-Peat on the burner. Get a decent mid-tier vet QB to back him up because as you say lucky he did not get injured this season. 3rd string on the practice roster can be the up-and-comer if need be like Brown was/is. McGuire and Brown may get camp invites, but  am sure there will be competition for sure as even in the little they did get to play, it left a TON to be desired even as an adequate backup.

TWO THUMBS down on the Dominique Davis idea. That ship has sailed.

Steveler maybe still comes back. After the NFL season his status on the practice roster down there could be toast. So lots of options available, but definitely need improvement at the backup QB role. Maybe McGuire is a world beater at practice for all I know, but that one game he did start he showed ZIPPO! 4 picks! That's pre-season ball for a pure rookie, not a two+ year vet on this team. Needed to show something/anything that game. Seemed like he could not read a defence for the life of him! :( Brown....we have no clue. Really saw little action. Hopefully they will get to play pre-season games next year and be able to weed things out better with true live action and not just training camp practices.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on December 19, 2021, 05:32:45 AM
Not a player but I would think good news for Hamilton TiCats....

3DownNation
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3h
Cats over Dawgs: Orlondo Steinauer staying put in Hamilton as University of Washington fills defensive coordinator role


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 19, 2021, 07:03:37 AM
Cats over Dawgs: Orlondo Steinauer staying put in Hamilton as University of Washington fills defensive coordinator role

That's a bit of a shock.  Insiders were making it sound like a done deal.  Had all the HAM fans convinced.  Even his post-GC speech sounded like a farewell.

I wonder if the fanbase, team, and the Caretaker really want him back??  Maybe he puts out feelers to other teams?

It seems hard to believe they will rally around him again.  However, he has made them stellar in both years... with the only flaw being losing the GC.  Is that big enough a thing to be a deal breaker?  If you think about it, the team is making money and putting a good product on the field...

Could Coach O handle the heartbreak of a 3rd GC loss?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on December 19, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
Ottawa has a new GM.

https://3downnation.com/2021/12/19/redblacks-to-hire-shawn-burke-as-new-general-manager-report/


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on December 19, 2021, 03:33:56 PM
Not a player but I would think good news for Hamilton TiCats....

3DownNation
@3DownNation
3h
Cats over Dawgs: Orlondo Steinauer staying put in Hamilton as University of Washington fills defensive coordinator role

It doesn't exclude other opportunities that come up.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 19, 2021, 07:06:29 PM
Not a player but I would think good news for Hamilton TiCats....

3DownNation
@3DownNation
3h
Cats over Dawgs: Orlondo Steinauer staying put in Hamilton as University of Washington fills defensive coordinator role
I m glad he?s staying in the league, the Ticats need him and he?s a quality person.

I wouldn?t worry about losing a 3rd grey cup in a row....they got to get there first. They barely got by Montreal this year, and should have lost to the Als really. Montreal is coming back next year to finish what they let slip away this year


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 19, 2021, 08:00:24 PM
Ottawa has a new GM.

https://3downnation.com/2021/12/19/redblacks-to-hire-shawn-burke-as-new-general-manager-report/

I think Ottawa would have been a better fit for Goveia than Edmonton.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on December 20, 2021, 06:08:56 PM
Trevor Harris released.

https://3downnation.com/2021/12/20/clearing-cap-space-als-release-qb-trevor-harris-ol-david-foucault/


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on December 20, 2021, 06:26:28 PM
Trevor Harris released.

https://3downnation.com/2021/12/20/clearing-cap-space-als-release-qb-trevor-harris-ol-david-foucault/

I'd sign him if he'll accept a role as a # 2 QB for a salary that matches that role. I'd guess something in the $150K range with more if he starts some games? I don't see him getting a starting role anywhere.

Teams need an experienced QB as depth. Bombers haven't shown they have one at the moment. McGuire might not be back.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 20, 2021, 06:34:47 PM
I'd sign him if he'll accept a role as a # 2 QB for a salary that matches that role. I'd guess something in the $150K range with more if he starts some games? I don't see him getting a starting role anywhere.

Teams need an experienced QB as depth. Bombers haven't shown they have one at the moment. McGuire might not be back.

There is a few QB's in the CFL that need to look at that role to prolong there careers, just like KG did.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on December 20, 2021, 06:51:38 PM
I'd sign him if he'll accept a role as a # 2 QB for a salary that matches that role. I'd guess something in the $150K range with more if he starts some games? I don't see him getting a starting role anywhere.

Teams need an experienced QB as depth. Bombers haven't shown they have one at the moment. McGuire might not be back.

Don't see us having the cap space to have that level of back up.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on December 20, 2021, 07:14:00 PM
Harris will sign as a #1 somewhere... BC, Ott, Tor... someone will take a shot.  IMHO I think it is far more likely he retires than takes a QB2 contract... he could probably make as much in a doomed US new league... or starting his next career... or just waiting for a QB1 in the CFL to go down on a team without a vet QB2.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on December 20, 2021, 08:32:54 PM
If they want to make hay while the sun shines and ride the pony to another championship they need to bring in a semi-experienced vet to backup Collaros.  They were lucky he didn't miss any games this past season but chances are they won't be as lucky next season.  Whether Zach misses 2 games or 6, a QB with previous CFL experience should be able to keep them in the hunt for a playoff spot while Zach recovers, maintaining a 50% record would be adequate. Strev. filled that role in 2019 when Nichols went down, hopefully they can find a known quantity good enough to manage the offence reasonably well instead of gambling on an unknown rookie to salvage their season.

I don't disagree.

Nichols knows the system and can dink & dunk us to .500 in a Collaros absence. Hot take, I know. Let the flaming begin, lol.

Don't see us having the cap space to have that level of back up.

I also don't see T-Hare playing for $150k. He has a legit shot to be a starter somewhere or at least play for it in a place that isn't blowing their load on a starting QB.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on December 20, 2021, 08:53:11 PM
I don't disagree.

Nichols knows the system and can dink & dunk us to .500 in a Collaros absence. Hot take, I know. Let the flaming begin, lol.

I also don't see T-Hare playing for $150k. He has a legit shot to be a starter somewhere or at least play for it in a place that isn't blowing their load on a starting QB.

And where do you think that might be? It isn't likely to be Calgary, Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton, Toronto or Montreal. Can't see him going back to Edmonton. Perhaps he has a chance in Vancouver if Reilly retires or is released.

The USFL reportedly isn't paying that much and waiting for a # 1 QB to go down is a crap shoot. Most of the starting QB's are potential free agents. None are going to sign for chicken feed so options are limited. Is any team going to sign Harris to be their starter over their current starter?  I don't think so.

He might choose retirement over a lesser role and pay cut.

OTOH depending on recovery from injury problems the same could be said about Nichols or Reilly.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2021, 09:21:57 PM
And where do you think that might be? It isn't likely to be Calgary, Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton, Toronto or Montreal. Can't see him going back to Edmonton. Perhaps he has a chance in Vancouver if Reilly retires or is released.

The USFL reportedly isn't paying that much and waiting for a # 1 QB to go down is a crap shoot. Most of the starting QB's are potential free agents. None are going to sign for chicken feed so options are limited. Is any team going to sign Harris to be their starter over their current starter?  I don't think so.

He might choose retirement over a lesser role and pay cut.

OTOH depending on recovery from injury problems the same could be said about Nichols or Reilly.

You missed Ottawa, depending on the health of Nichols arm they may be looking for a vet. to start.  Nichols may be in a worse position than Harris, if he hasn't recovered he should probably retire.  If either accepted the job of backup with the appropriate pay, they could embark on mercenary careers ala Kevin Glenn.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on December 20, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
And where do you think that might be? It isn't likely to be Calgary, Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton, Toronto or Montreal. Can't see him going back to Edmonton. Perhaps he has a chance in Vancouver if Reilly retires or is released.

The USFL reportedly isn't paying that much and waiting for a # 1 QB to go down is a crap shoot. Most of the starting QB's are potential free agents. None are going to sign for chicken feed so options are limited. Is any team going to sign Harris to be their starter over their current starter?  I don't think so.

He might choose retirement over a lesser role and pay cut.

OTOH depending on recovery from injury problems the same could be said about Nichols or Reilly.

Not sure why Edm would be off the table... no one is left there from before... Chris Jones would love a proven vet behind centre


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 20, 2021, 10:49:33 PM
Could be an interesting FA when it comes to QB's.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2021, 11:01:57 PM
Not sure why Edm would be off the table... no one is left there from before... Chris Jones would love a proven vet behind centre

Arbuckle qualifies as a vet.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 20, 2021, 11:21:03 PM

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#AlsMTL have released QB Trevor Harris and OL David Foucault
10:53 AM ? Dec 20, 2021


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 20, 2021, 11:52:25 PM
Trevor Harris released.

https://3downnation.com/2021/12/20/clearing-cap-space-als-release-qb-trevor-harris-ol-david-foucault/
Wow, I can?t believe montreal released him. He?s twice the Qb Adams will ever be. I hope he stays in the east?Ottawa??, and burns the Als!!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 21, 2021, 12:38:21 AM
Wow, I can?t believe montreal released him. He?s twice the Qb Adams will ever be. I hope he stays in the east?Ottawa??, and burns the Als!!

Ottawa should have the pick of the litter between Evans, Mazoli and Harris, their new GM Shawn Burke just moved over from Hamilton so I don't expect he'll pick Harris.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 21, 2021, 12:46:11 AM
I can?t see Harris going to BC and him and Rourke being the 2 Qbs there for half the price tag of Reilly combined!!! Not sure where Reilly goes or whether he ll take the pay cut teams will be looking for so their rosters don?t turn out like BC s the last 2 years.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 21, 2021, 04:33:50 AM
Free agent QB's: Nichols, BTM, Evans, Masoli, Watford, Collaros, McGuire, Maier, O'Connor, Harker.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on December 21, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
And where do you think that might be? It isn't likely to be Calgary, Winnipeg, Regina, Hamilton, Toronto or Montreal. Can't see him going back to Edmonton. Perhaps he has a chance in Vancouver if Reilly retires or is released.

The USFL reportedly isn't paying that much and waiting for a # 1 QB to go down is a crap shoot. Most of the starting QB's are potential free agents. None are going to sign for chicken feed so options are limited. Is any team going to sign Harris to be their starter over their current starter?  I don't think so.

He might choose retirement over a lesser role and pay cut.

OTOH depending on recovery from injury problems the same could be said about Nichols or Reilly.

It's entirely likely he'll start somewhere as a back-up.

But he's gonna go to a place with more cap space and more uncertainty at the QB position that he thinks he has a shot of beating out in TC.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on December 21, 2021, 01:38:59 PM
Not sure why Edm would be off the table... no one is left there from before... Chris Jones would love a proven vet behind centre


I think Edmonton and Ottawa would be bad PR moves among the reasons. Ottawa could have a shot at either Masoli or Evans, although Edmonton might make a pitch as well. It depends on whether they think Cornelius is the future. 2022 will be a re-building year in both cities.

Harris being released by both Edmonton and Montreal is not a good sign IMO for him to find a starters role. We'll see if he finds a home before free agency. Edmonton still has Arbuckle but he could be on the move too. He isn't shown as a potential free agent at the moment.

BC is a bit of a wildcard. If Reilly retires or is pushed out he could create an opening that is not there today.

It will be musical chairs in the off season. We'll start seeing decisions as potential free agents are re-signed and those that are not in the domino effect.

Maier might be in the running to end up with a new team. He may not be in the front running to start but he has a better chance elsewhere than in Calgary?



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on December 21, 2021, 04:44:47 PM
Farhan is tweeting:

Appears that all signs are pointing to the #Elks naming Chris Jones as their new head coach and GM.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 21, 2021, 04:45:33 PM
I think Edmonton and Ottawa would be bad PR moves among the reasons. Ottawa could have a shot at either Masoli or Evans, although Edmonton might make a pitch as well. It depends on whether they think Cornelius is the future. 2022 will be a re-building year in both cities.

Harris being released by both Edmonton and Montreal is not a good sign IMO for him to find a starters role. We'll see if he finds a home before free agency. Edmonton still has Arbuckle but he could be on the move too. He isn't shown as a potential free agent at the moment.

BC is a bit of a wildcard. If Reilly retires or is pushed out he could create an opening that is not there today.

It will be musical chairs in the off season. We'll start seeing decisions as potential free agents are re-signed and those that are not in the domino effect.

Maier might be in the running to end up with a new team. He may not be in the front running to start but he has a better chance elsewhere than in Calgary?

Sunderland signed Arbuckle to a contract just before he was fired, I don't know how many years that contract runs for but next year they are set with Arbuckle and Cornelius behind center, which is decent.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on December 21, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
Most if not all of the starting QB's will stay with their own teams.

Nichols is done.

Arbuckle is the Elks starter.

Masoli or Evans to Ottawa.

Reilly takes a pay cut.

Harris takes the first backup spot in Toronto or Ottawa.

Backup QB's stay put.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on December 21, 2021, 06:00:29 PM
Agree that either Evans or Masoli goes to Ottawa, who remains to be seen, but i see both Hamilton and the Bombers in the hunt for a backup Qb.  I don't see us standing put with what we got, there's too many talented Qb's out there that cropped up this year on other teams ie Maeir, Cornelius, Evans in Ottawa, to stay put with what we got. We need to upgrade but not break the bank, Harris i think will break our bank.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on December 21, 2021, 06:25:49 PM
I agree with Hodge's take that Harris is too good a QB to be on the scrap heap.  He will start somewhere for less money, but he isn't going to be the back up.

I think Hamilton is going to lock up Evans before Feb 8th, and let Masoli go to free agency.  I think Harris is either going to Ottawa or Toronto.  I am not sold on McLeod Bethel, he snuck into the starter's position through the back door, and then his play deteriorated in the stretch.  If I had to put money on it, it would be Harris to Ottawa, Masoli to Toronto.

If Reilly retires (which I don't think he will), then the calculus changes. 


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 21, 2021, 07:52:21 PM
Agree that either Evans or Masoli goes to Ottawa, who remains to be seen, but i see both Hamilton and the Bombers in the hunt for a backup Qb.  I don't see us standing put with what we got, there's too many talented Qb's out there that cropped up this year on other teams ie Maeir, Cornelius, Evans in Ottawa, to stay put with what we got. We need to upgrade but not break the bank, Harris i think will break our bank.



I don't think Conrelius is a FA. I can see Maier staying with Calgary knowing BLM has some shoulder issue's.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on December 21, 2021, 08:36:54 PM
I could see Harris realizing he is no longer going to be a #1 QB and he would accept a lesser role here as our #2 for back up money. He knows how good our OL and D are which would keep him healthy. ZC has remained relatively healthy but that could easily change and if it does SM or DB are not going to cut it. I say make Harris a reasonable offer to be a #2 here and see what he says. The fact that he would make playoff money and possibly win a GC could influence his decision. If he declines, no harm, no foul, so be it, can't hurt to make him an offer.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 21, 2021, 09:32:21 PM
I could see Harris realizing he is no longer going to be a #1 QB and he would accept a lesser role here as our #2 for back up money. He knows how good our OL and D are which would keep him healthy. ZC has remained relatively healthy but that could easily change and if it does SM or DB are not going to cut it. I say make Harris a reasonable offer to be a #2 here and see what he says. The fact that he would make playoff money and possibly win a GC could influence his decision. If he declines, no harm, no foul, so be it, can't hurt to make him an offer.

Agree, ZC8 played what 6 games total in 2019. Had a year off, and played in 14 game this year. If Covid doesn't effect the 2022 season, he could play 18-21 if we to go to the Grey Cup. A lot of game without getting banged up. Having a backup QB with CFL experience would go along way towards a 3 peat. Now if Strv. was to come back that could change everything. 


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on December 22, 2021, 09:38:59 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national long snapper Jorgen Hus and national running back Kienan LaFrance to two-year contract extensions.

The club has also added American offensive lineman Tommy Champion to the roster.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 23, 2021, 03:11:39 AM
T.Harris will start somewhere.  No way he's #2.  The young up & comers aren't ready yet.  Anyone betting their whole season on Maier, Caleb, Cornelious, Duck, etc, is going to be punished by being fired like the EDM crew.  With T.Harris you probably don't have a playoff/GC-winning QB, but you do have a known quantity that will win you season games and bring respectability to your club (ehem, OTT, EDM, BC).  He's a perfect "rebuild mode" QB.

BLM and/or M.Reilly are going to retire in 0 to 2 years.  Bet on it.  That leaves a massive hole in QB talent with CFL experience.  That means T.Harris and the "lesser" "loose(ish)" QBs like Nichols and Masoli and MBT are going to stay in demand.  T.Harris will start somewhere, as will Masoli and MBT.

Nichols is the wildcard and would make the perfect backup for WPG or Lapo's OTT, as he'll have to take peanuts if he wants to avoid retirement.

My big prediction is BLM retires in FA and CGY makes a big surprise #1 QB signing.  Masoli?  MBT?  Harris?  Even M.Reilly?  My money is on Masoli.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 23, 2021, 10:08:27 AM
CFL very slow up dating there free agent tracker page.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Waffler on December 23, 2021, 12:02:19 PM
Nichols is the wildcard and would make the perfect backup for WPG or Lapo's OTT, as he'll have to take peanuts if he wants to avoid retirement.


Who would do short yardage? One more reason to hate just 2 QB's dressed.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 23, 2021, 05:13:53 PM
Agree that either Evans or Masoli goes to Ottawa, who remains to be seen, but i see both Hamilton and the Bombers in the hunt for a backup Qb.  I don't see us standing put with what we got, there's too many talented Qb's out there that cropped up this year on other teams ie Maeir, Cornelius, Evans in Ottawa, to stay put with what we got. We need to upgrade but not break the bank, Harris i think will break our bank.


TBurg is right just Maier and Mitchell in Cow Town. Something might happen there as well.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 23, 2021, 08:23:45 PM
MR13    37  13GP    276/4000  3283 yards   14 TD/6 INT.   8.2 yard avg.

Harris:  36  10GP    199/283    2271 yards   14 TD/7 INT.   7.9 yard avg.

Nichols: 35   6GP      63/96       544 yards      0 TD/3 INT    5.7 yard avg.

ZC8:     33   13GP   243/346    3125 yards    20 TD/6 INT.   9.2 yard avg.

BLM:     32   11GP   211/325    2594 yards    10 TD/13 INT.  8.4 yard avg.

This is the age of the QB's when the season starts next season.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 23, 2021, 08:38:10 PM
Hamilton:

Evans:    29   13GP    69/107             787 yards        6 TD/ 3 INT.

Masoli:    34   12GP    188/271          2445 yards       10 TD/ 6 INT

Tough choice for Hamilton.

MBT:      34    12GP     203/306          2303 yards       12 TD/ 11 INT.

Maier      25   12GP      95/148           1211 Yards         5TD/ 3 INT. 



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pete on December 23, 2021, 11:45:18 PM
 | think Toronto isn't content with BMT and will look to upgrade with Masoli/Reilly/Evans
I don't see Jpnes being comfortable with Arbuckle and Cornelius and may also be a player for one of the above. Harris or BMT probably ends up in Ottawa cause no one else wants to go there.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 24, 2021, 01:01:02 AM
Who would do short yardage? One more reason to hate just 2 QB's dressed.

You bring in Nichols as #3, he doesn't dress.  You have McGuire or a new beefy guy come in as #2/dressed/shortyardage.  Nichols is insurance.  Or, wait for a possible injury and then pay up for a couch guy or trade.  Some "oldster" QBs should be without a home once the dust settles.  If one stays in shape, he could be in high demand.

Pigskin's list shows that CFL QBs are ageing.  The average is even older than I would have guessed.  Yet the young guns mostly aren't ready.  CFL is going to have a big QB problem very soon.  More needs to be done to bring up, develop and isolate talent.

Wow, I didn't realize Masoli and MBT were already 34.  Harris 36??!

Maybe the no-dressed (so no gameday cheque) #3 QB rule change was even worse than many of us thought...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 28, 2021, 09:53:25 PM
Some interesting names on this list of Elks cuts.

The Edmonton Elks announced the release of 11 players on Tuesday, as the team continues preparations for the 2022 season under new general manager and head coach Chris Jones.

RELEASED:
Martin Bedard | NAT | LS | 6?3 | 239 LBS | 1984-03-23 | Quebec City, QC | University of Connecticut
Chris Casher | AMER | DL | 6?4 | 257 LBS | 1993-12-30 | Mobile, AL | Faulkner University
Derek Dennis | AMER | OL | 6?3 | 348 LBS | 1988-11-28 | Queens, NY | Temple
Armanti Edwards | AMER | WR | 5?11 | 183 LBS | 1988-03-08 | Greenwood, SC | Appalachian State
Earnest Edwards | AMER | WR | 5?10 | 175 LBS | 1998-03-30 | Rochester, NY | Maine
Afolabi Laguda | AMER | DB | 6?1 | 205 LBS | 1995-07-28 | Atlanta, GA | Colorado
SirVincent Rogers | AMER | OL | 6?4 | 319 LBS | 1986-05-09 | Jasper, TX | Houston
Jonathan Rose | AMER | DB | 6?1 | 190 LBS | 1993-07-19 | Leeds, AL | Nebraska
James Tuck | NAT | FB | 6?0 | 230 LBS | 1990-06-12 | Aurora, ON | York
Herb Waters | AMER | DB | 6?2 | 194 LBS | 1992-11-10 | Florida City, FL | Miami
Terry Williams | AMER | RB | 5?9 | 207 LBS | 1992-03-11 | Morristown, NJ | Kutztown


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on December 28, 2021, 10:34:30 PM
Some interesting names on this list of Elks cuts.

The Edmonton Elks announced the release of 11 players on Tuesday, as the team continues preparations for the 2022 season under new general manager and head coach Chris Jones.

RELEASED:
Martin Bedard | NAT | LS | 6?3 | 239 LBS | 1984-03-23 | Quebec City, QC | University of Connecticut
Chris Casher | AMER | DL | 6?4 | 257 LBS | 1993-12-30 | Mobile, AL | Faulkner University
Derek Dennis | AMER | OL | 6?3 | 348 LBS | 1988-11-28 | Queens, NY | Temple
Armanti Edwards | AMER | WR | 5?11 | 183 LBS | 1988-03-08 | Greenwood, SC | Appalachian State
Earnest Edwards | AMER | WR | 5?10 | 175 LBS | 1998-03-30 | Rochester, NY | Maine
Afolabi Laguda | AMER | DB | 6?1 | 205 LBS | 1995-07-28 | Atlanta, GA | Colorado
SirVincent Rogers | AMER | OL | 6?4 | 319 LBS | 1986-05-09 | Jasper, TX | Houston
Jonathan Rose | AMER | DB | 6?1 | 190 LBS | 1993-07-19 | Leeds, AL | Nebraska
James Tuck | NAT | FB | 6?0 | 230 LBS | 1990-06-12 | Aurora, ON | York
Herb Waters | AMER | DB | 6?2 | 194 LBS | 1992-11-10 | Florida City, FL | Miami
Terry Williams | AMER | RB | 5?9 | 207 LBS | 1992-03-11 | Morristown, NJ | Kutztown

Jones not taking long to put his thumbprint on the team...

In some ways, giving vets an early shot at FA is a favor to them, have to wonder if he's that smart... or he's cleaning house f some higher paid, older players, thinking he is so good he will find younger cheaper alternatives.  CAsher, Dennis and Rogers are some pretty big names...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on December 29, 2021, 04:25:42 PM
Riders sign 4 players, Marshall, Teitz, Evan Johnson, Logan Ferland.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on December 29, 2021, 05:58:43 PM
Riders sign 4 players, Marshall, Teitz, Evan Johnson, Logan Ferland.

Yikes...they are bringing back two pylons from the worst OL I can remember in recent history. Ferland, in particular, is just way too small and got manhandled by pretty much everyone this year. If he's back he needs to pack on 40 lbs.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on December 29, 2021, 10:27:44 PM
Jones not taking long to put his thumbprint on the team...

In some ways, giving vets an early shot at FA is a favor to them, have to wonder if he's that smart... or he's cleaning house f some higher paid, older players, thinking he is so good he will find younger cheaper alternatives.  CAsher, Dennis and Rogers are some pretty big names...


I believe a few of these guys are non-vaxxed, so that could be part of the reason they are being cut too. Know Hufnagel in Calgary said he will sign no player for next season if unvaxxed. Could be a major issue if the current air travel rules don't change by late spring, so can't have a guy only playing home games or within province (Alberta, Ontario) with multiple CFL cities.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 30, 2021, 03:39:28 PM

I believe a few of these guys are non-vaxxed, so that could be part of the reason they are being cut too. Know Hufnagel in Calgary said he will sign no player for next season if unvaxxed. Could be a major issue if the current air travel rules don't change by late spring, so can't have a guy only playing home games or within province (Alberta, Ontario) with multiple CFL cities.

I would like to see more teams follow Huff's lead including the Bombers, cut out the BS before it begins...again.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on December 30, 2021, 04:07:00 PM
Riders have also said they will not sign any unvaxxed players.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on December 30, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
I would like to see more teams follow Huff's lead including the Bombers, cut out the BS before it begins...again.

Only one potential FA that we know might be unvaxxed... Eli... and I expect him to give the NFL a shot... not sure what they think about the unvaxxed... but I'm guessing he will get the shot or move on from football...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 30, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Only one potential FA that we know might be unvaxxed... Eli... and I expect him to give the NFL a shot... not sure what they think about the unvaxxed... but I'm guessing he will get the shot or move on from football...

More concerned with the new recruits they bring in plus whoever they acquire in F.A..  Make it clear, FIOFO.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on December 31, 2021, 10:12:34 PM
Maier back in CGY, what does this mean for Bo?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 01, 2022, 03:21:21 AM
Wise move by the Stamps....I think everyone wants Bo to get back to what he once was, but I think we know how this ones going to end, and so do the Stamps.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 01, 2022, 03:11:29 PM
Justin Dunk@JDunk12

Critical date in Calgary: Bo Levi Mitchell?s mid-January $100,000 roster bonus looms


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on January 01, 2022, 04:35:35 PM
Justin Dunk@JDunk12

Critical date in Calgary: Bo Levi Mitchell?s mid-January $100,000 roster bonus looms

Boy Calgary will have to think long and hard on this one. Is Bo on the down slide, if so, $100,000 bonus is a hard pill to swallow. I wouldn't be surprised to see him cut loose.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 01, 2022, 06:13:45 PM
Wow, this is going to be interesting. I think the Stamps will pay it, if they cut him loose who?s going to take a chance on his health??? Ottawa gambled and lost on the same bet with Nichols, does arch nemesis Edmonton pick him up just for spite and to give them a mentor for Arbuckle!?!?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on January 01, 2022, 06:16:08 PM
I believe Bo will leave on his own terms.. he has earned it. The Stamps probably want to retain him on the coaching staff in the future. He would make an awesome OC once Dickenson moves on up after Huff retires.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 02, 2022, 05:58:13 PM
There is a third option between paying the $100k, and cutting him loose.  Renegotiate the deal. 

Which will not happen if he has a sniff of anyone else being interested in him in FA. 

You think Chris Jones would not LOVE to have Bo on his team?

I think CGY tries to renegotiate, and then pays the $100k.  Or, trades him now...  no way they release him for nothing with Jones just down the street.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 06, 2022, 12:53:44 PM
#Stampeders have agreed to terms with receiver Reggie Bagelton. Expected to sign tomorrow. A 1 year deal, 167k in hard money & includes a 30k signing bonus. @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 06, 2022, 03:18:28 PM
#Stampeders have agreed to terms with receiver Reggie Bagelton. Expected to sign tomorrow. A 1 year deal, 167k in hard money & includes a 30k signing bonus. @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports

That's about right, top end CFL receivers should make $175,000 at most, all in.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 06, 2022, 06:50:01 PM
The Edmonton Elks have reworked the contract of quarterback Nick Arbuckle for the 2022 season.

TSN reporter Dave Naylor has the details: The Elks have redone the contract of QB Nick Arbuckle who originally signed for ?22 under previous GM Brock Sunderland. New deal pays him same salary ($328k + plus $12k for housing) but $100k as a signing bonus. One year deal.

Edmonton acquired Arbuckle in a trade with the Toronto Argonauts on October 26, 2021 in exchange for a conditional 2022 CFL Draft pick and the rights to negotiation list QB Chad Kelly. Arbuckle re-signing in November meant the Elks gave the Argos Edmonton?s second round pick in the 2022 CFL Draft.

Early in training camp last year, Arbuckle was hampered by a hamstring injury, however he returned to full health, but was watching from the sideline as McLeod Bethel-Thompson led the Boatmen as the starter at QB prior to being dealt from The Six to Alberta.

He signed a one-year contract last February with more than half of his compensation paid upfront in the form of a $150,000 signing bonus. Also included in his deal was a base salary of $109,000, which worked out to approximately $6,055 per game, weekly housing payments of $666.67 and a $300 bonus every time he played 51 percent of the offensive plays in a game.

Arbuckle has intriguing upside and ability, evidenced by his performance in beating Winnipeg during Week 3. He completed 23-of-32 passes (71.9 percent) for 310 yards and one touchdown with another on the ground in a 30-23 win. That was one of only three losses the back-to-back Grey Cup champion Bombers suffered in 2021.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on January 07, 2022, 04:36:59 AM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
9h
The @MTLAlouettes
 have hired former @Ticats
 special teams coach Jeff Reinebold to join their staff for the ?22 season. #CFL #Als


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: VictorRomano on January 07, 2022, 02:04:25 PM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
9h
The @MTLAlouettes
 have hired former @Ticats
 special teams coach Jeff Reinebold to join their staff for the ?22 season. #CFL #Als

Als also signed Anthony Calvillo as their QB coach yesterday.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 07, 2022, 03:58:00 PM
Als also signed Anthony Calvillo as their QB coach yesterday.


I think Calvillo tried coaching once before, may have even rose to O.C. but didn't find much success.  It sounds like Reinbold is taking a role below S.T. coordinator which would be surprising.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 07, 2022, 04:42:47 PM
I think Calvillo tried coaching once before, may have even rose to O.C. but didn't find much success.  It sounds like Reinbold is taking a role below S.T. coordinator which would be surprising.

I think Orlondo Steinhauer handled it very discreetly and internally, but I would bet he had a blunt conversation with Reinbold about giving up that single in the Grey Cup.  Orlando is too classy not to back his guy publicly, but I would guess he let him know that a mistake was made and probably that in the future he would be making those critical decisions.  Reinbold would have taken that as a lack of trust, and decided it was better to move on.  I can't think of any other reason Reinbold would make a lateral move to a divisional rival after being with the Ti-Cats for 6 or 7 years.   


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on January 07, 2022, 04:47:24 PM
I think Orlondo Steinhauer handled it very discreetly and internally, but I would bet he had a blunt conversation with Reinbold about giving up that single in the Grey Cup.  Orlando is too classy not to back his guy publicly, but I would guess he let him know that a mistake was made and probably that in the future he would be making those critical decisions.  Reinbold would have taken that as a lack of trust, and decided it was better to move on.  I can't think of any other reason Reinbold would make a lateral move to a divisional rival after being with the Ti-Cats for 6 or 7 years.  

You make a good point.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 07, 2022, 08:31:53 PM
Bo Levi Mitchell restructures contract with Calgary Stampeders

Bo Levi Mitchell signs his restructured contract with the Stampeders for the 2022 season which includes a $100,000 signing bonus as part of $425,000 in hard money with $60,000 available in playtime bonuses.

https://3downnation.com/2022/01/07/bo-levi-mitchell-restructures-contract-with-calgary-stampeders/


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 07, 2022, 09:28:43 PM
I think Orlondo Steinhauer handled it very discreetly and internally, but I would bet he had a blunt conversation with Reinbold about giving up that single in the Grey Cup.  Orlando is too classy not to back his guy publicly, but I would guess he let him know that a mistake was made and probably that in the future he would be making those critical decisions.  Reinbold would have taken that as a lack of trust, and decided it was better to move on.  I can't think of any other reason Reinbold would make a lateral move to a divisional rival after being with the Ti-Cats for 6 or 7 years.   


This same thought occurred to me when I read Reinbold basically did a latteral move only a week later. Either he was respectfully pushed out or left on his own. That giving up the single call was one of those critical times where the "rouge" blew them the game. Still about a minute left, a field goal wins you the game instead of a TD if he runs it out. Think he would have made the 20-25 at minimum. Hamilton still almost pulled it off, but made it harder than they needed to. The prior single the returner gave up was more a misjudge of the ball sailing in, although if he saw how high it was going should have just let it fly over his head and give up no point. Probably best Reinbold did leave as might have become a scapegoat eventually for losing that GC.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 07, 2022, 09:34:22 PM
I don't think that one specific scenario cost him his job. If it was a factor, it would have been one of several. If everything was going great there behind the scenes and the only correction to make was adjusting how to think through giving up a single in big, windy games then that's very easy for coaches as tenured as them.

Sometimes you just need a change of scenery. Maybe Reinbold wants more control and figures he has a better chance of getting it in Montreal than Hamilton where Steinhauer is firmly intrenched. Reinbold also has a defensive background and might get the chance to be more involved on that side of things in Montreal. He is probably a better compliment to Khari's offence thinking than Steinhauer's defence first background.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 07, 2022, 10:52:15 PM
Deadbolt is fortunate to have a job period, the donkey cost the tabbies a grey cup.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 08, 2022, 05:23:48 PM
Deadbolt is fortunate to have a job period, the donkey cost the tabbies a grey cup.
old donkey


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Waffler on January 08, 2022, 09:47:15 PM
Jeff Hamilton in the Free Press is saying Rienbold was offered a contract by Hamilton.

Staying with the Ticats, special-teams co-ordinator Jeff Reinbold turned down an offer to return in 2022, which would have been his eighth season in Hamilton. In a conversation with Reinbold during Grey Cup week, I got the feeling he was ready for something else.

And also this gem:

After hiring Shawn Burke, the Ottawa Redblacks new general manager has brought back a familiar face in Brendan Taman. Taman, who won a Grey Cup in 2013 as Saskatchewan?s GM, will be director of pro personnel.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 09, 2022, 03:25:18 PM
Jeff Hamilton in the Free Press is saying Rienbold was offered a contract by Hamilton.

Staying with the Ticats, special-teams co-ordinator Jeff Reinbold turned down an offer to return in 2022, which would have been his eighth season in Hamilton. In a conversation with Reinbold during Grey Cup week, I got the feeling he was ready for something else.

And also this gem:

After hiring Shawn Burke, the Ottawa Redblacks new general manager has brought back a familiar face in Brendan Taman. Taman, who won a Grey Cup in 2013 as Saskatchewan?s GM, will be director of pro personnel.
Yes he did win a Cup however I was never a fan of his and under his tutelage our Canadian depth suffered.    What Walters has done in Winnipeg required time and patience however we are now deep in Canadian talent and the envy of the CFL.    That being said, I wish Brendan well in Ottawa along with LaPo!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 09, 2022, 03:55:23 PM
Looks like he s learned that lesson as he states in his article without good Canadian talent and a Qb you don?t have a chance.

They have their work cut out for them, they?re much like we were after joe Mack . You can keep their kick returner but flush their entire rosters so called skilled players as they are skill-less!! I still say they will sign Johnny A from us as a start to build their Canadian talent and am interested to see if they go after Harris for their starting Qb


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 10, 2022, 01:56:52 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed American defensive lineman A.C. Leonard to a two-year contract extension through the 2023 season.

Leonard lead the CFL in sacks last season.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 10, 2022, 03:14:12 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed American defensive lineman A.C. Leonard to a two-year contract extension through the 2023 season.

Leonard lead the CFL in sacks last season.

And led the league in games missed due to problems peeing....


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 10, 2022, 03:18:13 PM
The Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed American defensive lineman A.C. Leonard to a two-year contract extension through the 2023 season.

Leonard lead the CFL in sacks last season.

Hearing rumors they made him the league's highest paid DE..if Lalji is to be beleved. Willie is at 225k so north of that is a lot of cheddar for a known PED user.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Waffler on January 10, 2022, 03:44:25 PM
I expect a lot of craziness out of Sask this year. They will go to great lengths to win the cup at home.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 10, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Well, the "Lucky, come back" thoughts can stop now... 2 years in BC.  Good for him, no doubt he got paid.  Will be fun having him on the sidelines at IG Field, we sit on the opponents side, and far to rarely get any engagement from the players...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 10, 2022, 04:26:32 PM
Whitehead stays on the West Coast.

The BC Lions have inked Lucky Whitehead to an extension through 2023.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 10, 2022, 05:19:56 PM
Hearing rumors they made him the league's highest paid DE..if Lalji is to be beleved. Willie is at 225k so north of that is a lot of cheddar for a known PED user.

Paid him extra to sign a two year deal. Probably hoping the cap goes up.

I can see it.

Obviously highlights what a great relationship we have with Willie.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 10, 2022, 06:23:49 PM
Love the guy, but this is insane... who is running the show in BC, and can we get them some help?


Justin Dunk@JDunk12

Explosive playmaker Lucky Whitehead becomes the highest paid receiver in the CFL at $200,000.

https://3downnation.com/2022/01/10/b-c-lions-re-sign-explosive-cfl-all-star-lucky-whitehead/


#BCLions #TheFlash #CFL


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 10, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
Leonard signs at over $200k...glad we got our Jeffs signed...

wonder if he can afford peeing lessons now...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 10, 2022, 07:09:36 PM
Leonard signs at over $200k...glad we got our Jeffs signed...

wonder if he can afford peeing lessons now...

Where did you find that number?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 10, 2022, 07:13:02 PM
Local media outlets say Leonards salary was $150,00 not $200,000


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 10, 2022, 07:15:51 PM
Local media outlets say Leonards salary was $150,00 not $200,000

Farhan Lalji tweeted it's into $200K territory, with $205K for 2022 and $210K for 2023.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 11, 2022, 01:30:31 AM
Farhan Lalji tweeted it's into $200K territory, with $205K for 2022 and $210K for 2023.

Hmm who would you trust?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 11, 2022, 02:22:19 AM
Love the guy, but this is insane... who is running the show in BC, and can we get them some help?


Justin Dunk@JDunk12

Explosive playmaker Lucky Whitehead becomes the highest paid receiver in the CFL at $200,000.

https://3downnation.com/2022/01/10/b-c-lions-re-sign-explosive-cfl-all-star-lucky-whitehead/


#BCLions #TheFlash #CFL
Absolutely redonkulous!!!! Good luck to Walters trying to sign Lawler for less than that. Sickeningly irresponsible. I had a gut feeling they were going to overpay for whitehead just like they overpaid for Reilly.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 11, 2022, 03:24:56 AM
Absolutely redonkulous!!!! Good luck to Walters trying to sign Lawler for less than that. Sickeningly irresponsible. I had a gut feeling they were going to overpay for whitehead just like they overpaid for Reilly.

You have to wonder if BC was worried they would lose Lucky in F.A., they were played by a slick agent, not a team in the league would want Lucky badly enough to drive the price up to $200,000.  He maxed them out.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 11, 2022, 03:47:52 AM
And in the process lost burnham....do you think he?s going to sign in bc for less than $200k, and no team can afford 2-$200 receivers. What duffus?s bc is. Totally stupid play by bc.theres nobody in the league going to give lucky that type of money. Played like a fiddle.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
Yeah, I fully expect Burnham to sign elsewhere as a free agent.

The Whitehead signing sets quite an interesting precedent come Feb. 8th, IMO.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 11, 2022, 02:29:56 PM
Local media outlets say Leonards salary was $150,00 not $200,000

local media outlets in Regina...lmao. Who? BingoArms on Riderfans. Hardly local media.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 11, 2022, 02:31:31 PM
Hmm who would you trust?

That's actually down from what Lalji initially stated on Vancouver radio. He must have fact checked since. Irregardless, unless someone has a link to Regina local media saying 150k I don't believe that number was actually out there. Someone on Riderfans would have mentioned it and they seem to believe Lalji, if there were conflicting reports about how ODay got him for less the JOD fanboys over there would have lit that sucker up in that thread.

BTW, 205k for AC is a massive overpay as well. He isn't even as good as Jeffcoat who came in at 175k.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 11, 2022, 03:19:19 PM
Absolutely redonkulous!!!! Good luck to Walters trying to sign Lawler for less than that. Sickeningly irresponsible. I had a gut feeling they were going to overpay for whitehead just like they overpaid for Reilly.

If there is a GM in the league that can talk sense into a player, its Walters.  Not saying he will get Lawler to sign for $120k, but I can see him signing for less than $200k... the Lucky deal is going to make every GM's job harder, but Walters has shown he is one of the best, both at re-signing players and managing SMS even when hard decisions need to be made.

I have faith that the Canadian Mafia will weather this FA season and be highly rated for what they achieved.

And TC next season, I have no doubt that McManus/Goveia will being in another stellar group of prospects looking to make their mark, guys that have seen what players like Alford have done with this opportunity, guys that will thrive under the tutelage of MOS and company. 


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 11, 2022, 04:50:18 PM
Nothing concrete but many people in BC think Reilly could very well retire.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 11, 2022, 04:54:38 PM
If there is a GM in the league that can talk sense into a player, its Walters.  Not saying he will get Lawler to sign for $120k, but I can see him signing for less than $200k... the Lucky deal is going to make every GM's job harder, but Walters has shown he is one of the best, both at re-signing players and managing SMS even when hard decisions need to be made.

I have faith that the Canadian Mafia will weather this FA season and be highly rated for what they achieved.

And TC next season, I have no doubt that McManus/Goveia will being in another stellar group of prospects looking to make their mark, guys that have seen what players like Alford have done with this opportunity, guys that will thrive under the tutelage of MOS and company. 

It really all depends on the individual and how important the dollars are to them. Lawler may or may not choose to take a smaller amount to play here and will likely have a very good reason for either decision. Walters is not a magic man and won't convince anyone to take too deep a discount. We will have to put in a fair market value offer and have the advantage of realistic playoff bonuses to dangle.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 11, 2022, 05:01:55 PM
It really all depends on the individual and how important the dollars are to them. Lawler may or may not choose to take a smaller amount to play here and will likely have a very good reason for either decision. Walters is not a magic man and won't convince anyone to take too deep a discount. We will have to put in a fair market value offer and have the advantage of realistic playoff bonuses to dangle.

Still think his body of work will land Lawler an NFL opportunity.  And even maybe Bailey.  IF they return, they deserve top dollar, for sure.  And I have faith that saner heads will start to see what an illogical SMS move the Lucky signing was.  Adams is probably going to get slightly less money offered, and may stay in spite of other GM's making him an offer (I can see Ott coming after some of our O)

I think the biggest issue with us "making a fair market offer" to our players is they all played too good, and what is "fair" will not be affordable for all of them.  We won't be able to sign them all for "fair" wages. We might squeeze one or two more in because of small Walters negotiated discounts, but we *are* going to lose players.  We are going to have holes to fill because there are just too many players to resign that deserve raises.  I am very happy so far at the ones we have locked down, and hope there are a few more coming before FA...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on January 11, 2022, 05:21:32 PM
The Bombers receivers are well,suited to thenCanadian game and have established themselves.  They can play a full shedule. If they go down to the NFL, they will be in competition with hundreds of younger faster guys, and cheaper.

The American Dream, but ......not likely a career.  In Canada, they can play into their mid 30's.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 11, 2022, 05:29:08 PM
I dont begrudge anyone for getting fair market value, but the reality is we can't pay everyone fair market value and be under the cap, so ya, we are going to lose some players. we still haven't signed Collaros and that's the biggest must have signing that's outstanding right now, with bighill next. Its nice to have had the signings we 've had, but no Collaros means reduced offense, and compromises our chances of repeating significantly . The sooner we get him under contract, the sooner we start sleeping better around here.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2022, 09:43:05 PM
Still think his body of work will land Lawler an NFL opportunity.  And even maybe Bailey. 

Lawler will be 28 this year and Bailey will be 29. The receiver position in the NFL is beyond saturated and both don't qualify as young by pro football standards. There hasn't been so much as a whisper of NFL interest for either player, though. I can't see that changing at this point.

That being said, I fully expect both to get reasonable raises and I hope it's with this team.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 12, 2022, 01:07:29 PM
Lawler apparently had a workout with the Falcons yesterday, so I stand corrected.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 12, 2022, 01:41:40 PM
Still think his body of work will land Lawler an NFL opportunity.  And even maybe Bailey.  IF they return, they deserve top dollar, for sure.  And I have faith that saner heads will start to see what an illogical SMS move the Lucky signing was.  Adams is probably going to get slightly less money offered, and may stay in spite of other GM's making him an offer (I can see Ott coming after some of our O)

I think the biggest issue with us "making a fair market offer" to our players is they all played too good, and what is "fair" will not be affordable for all of them.  We won't be able to sign them all for "fair" wages. We might squeeze one or two more in because of small Walters negotiated discounts, but we *are* going to lose players.  We are going to have holes to fill because there are just too many players to resign that deserve raises.  I am very happy so far at the ones we have locked down, and hope there are a few more coming before FA...

No doubt there will be a lot of guys on the outside looking in because of SMS restraints. I don't suspect that Lawler will be one of them that we deem as too expensive, nor is he someone we will attempt to lowball.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 12, 2022, 02:22:33 PM
I think Lawler landing an NFL spot is a bit of a longshot. It could happen I suppose. He's got the height but he's 27, was already looked at once (drafted in the 7th round) and has a recent DUI which the NFL won't like one bit. There are a ton of good receivers available down there and that's a position that is notoriously hard for CFL players to crack.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2022, 03:30:59 PM
I think Lawler landing an NFL spot is a bit of a longshot. It could happen I suppose. He's got the height but he's 27, was already looked at once (drafted in the 7th round) and has a recent DUI which the NFL won't like one bit. There are a ton of good receivers available down there and that's a position that is notoriously hard for CFL players to crack.

His body of work and highlight reel from last year will get him serious looks. 

As to the DUI, he was upfront, contrite and his team accepted him back without question.  In a league with players like Antonio Brown, a DUI will hardly stop a player being signed.

I really think we will see him in the NFL next year, and for a couple years.  He has the size and skills, and has developed before our eyes these last 2 years into the best in the league.  There is no reason he can't get a gig and stick in the NFL.  He's not the player he was 2 years ago...

Sucks, really... but I think we are going to lose 3 or 4 to the NFL this year... when was the last time that happened to a team, let alone the entire league.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2022, 03:38:56 PM
Last time was 2019 for the Bombers: Streveler, Kongbo, Rose and Sayles. You have a short memory.

Sayles went to BC, not the NFL...   but true... we are generating prospects...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 12, 2022, 03:43:53 PM
Sayles went to BC, not the NFL...   but true... we are generating prospects...

IIRC he spent 2020 NFL PR time on Vikings roster after bring released by Bombers to explore NFL opportunities.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 12, 2022, 03:51:33 PM
Sayles went to BC, not the NFL...   but true... we are generating prospects...

Yep...he only went to BC after his NFL shot.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2022, 03:52:49 PM
IIRC he spent 2020 NFL PR time on Vikings roster after bring released by Bombers to explore NFL opportunities.

I stand corrected...yes, he did toil for the Vikes on their PR...

OK, so we sent 4 to the NFL in 2020... 1 is still down there, 2 came home ,and one defected to BC.  I'm happy if we can maintain that retention post NFL look...  betting that most of them realize the best way to get another look is to come back here...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 12, 2022, 04:19:04 PM
I stand corrected...yes, he did toil for the Vikes on their PR...

OK, so we sent 4 to the NFL in 2020... 1 is still down there, 2 came home ,and one defected to BC.  I'm happy if we can maintain that retention post NFL look...  betting that most of them realize the best way to get another look is to come back here...

Kongbo is down there again and we might lose Rose as well. I'm not a fan of 1 year deals but it's the nature of the CBA. Actually we might lose Castillo taking another shot too. Since Rose and Castillo only played 3 regular season games we aren't exactly shedding SMS either. Kongbo played all 14 games but what his 2021 SMS was IDK.

Lawler, Nichols, Bailey and Richardson are not locks to stay in the CFL.

Bad enough losing players to other CFL teams but going to NFL still hurts.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 12, 2022, 07:03:34 PM
Kongbo is down there again and we might lose Rose as well. I'm not a fan of 1 year deals but it's the nature of the CBA. Actually we might lose Castillo taking another shot too. Since Rose and Castillo only played 3 regular season games we aren't exactly shedding SMS either. Kongbo played all 14 games but what his 2021 SMS was IDK.

Lawler Nichols, Bailey and Richardson are not locks to stay in the CFL.

Bad enough losing players to other CFL teams but going to NFL still hurts.

I'd rather lose them to the NFL than to our opponents, but it still weakens out team all the same.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Tiger on January 13, 2022, 01:46:39 AM
Dane Evans signed with the Cats but I don?t see how much the contract was for. 


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 13, 2022, 07:33:49 AM
Dane Evans signed with the Cats but I don?t see how much the contract was for. 

From the articles I read online so far, Evans is their de facto #1 QB now. So Masoli is free to look elsewhere I am assuming unless he wants to play for backup money in Steeltown.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 13, 2022, 11:26:10 AM
From the articles I read online so far, Evans is their de facto #1 QB now. So Masoli is free to look elsewhere I am assuming unless he wants to play for backup money in Steeltown.

Also the issue that Masoli wasn't vaxxed and might not be able to play at all.

I don't know who else is a potential starter still floating around, but it seems like it's Ottawa or bust.

I can't see any of the remaining teams letting their QBs walk away unless Reilly retires.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 13, 2022, 11:53:28 AM
Masoli is not vaxxed, this will play a major part of getting into Canada and flying across the country.

Evans contract is high 300's - low 400's with bonus numbers.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 13, 2022, 12:23:11 PM
I think Lawler landing an NFL spot is a bit of a longshot. It could happen I suppose. He's got the height but he's 27, was already looked at once (drafted in the 7th round) and has a recent DUI which the NFL won't like one bit. There are a ton of good receivers available down there and that's a position that is notoriously hard for CFL players to crack.

Logic doesn't always dictate what the NFL does. Look at Lenius...he got an NFL contract.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 13, 2022, 12:42:50 PM
Masoli is not vaxxed, this will play a major part of getting into Canada and flying across the country.

Evans contract is high 300's - low 400's with bonus numbers.

Didn't know he was not vaccinated. It's reasonable to expect same travel restriction issues for at least part of 2022. That makes getting a new contract problematic for a few players. It's either get vaccinated or retire from football?

I had expected Masoli to be the odd QB out in Hamilton but not for that reason. Paying both QB's and not having an SMS issue was more my thinking. To that end I felt he'd be the one headed to Ottawa.

The concern for the Bombers now is that Ottawa might make an " over bid contract " to Collaros. Throw in the possibility that Reilly retires.  Yikes.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 13, 2022, 01:19:40 PM
His body of work and highlight reel from last year will get him serious looks. 

As to the DUI, he was upfront, contrite and his team accepted him back without question.  In a league with players like Antonio Brown, a DUI will hardly stop a player being signed.

I really think we will see him in the NFL next year, and for a couple years.  He has the size and skills, and has developed before our eyes these last 2 years into the best in the league.  There is no reason he can't get a gig and stick in the NFL.  He's not the player he was 2 years ago...

Sucks, really... but I think we are going to lose 3 or 4 to the NFL this year... when was the last time that happened to a team, let alone the entire league.

We'll see but I doubt it. Antonio was an established NFL superstar with a friend in Tom Brady. Kenny Lawler is none of those things.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on January 13, 2022, 01:33:56 PM
Hard to keep up, so sorry if this is not correct....but Reilly is not signed..rumoured to be retiring, BO re-signed in the 400ish mark so the big ticket guys have seen a big value reduction. With Dane re-upping in the 300's Adams at low 400's, Arbuckle in the mid 200's, Ott if they stick with Matty one would assume his deal would be low (200's maybe 300's with heavy play bonuses), if they go with Massoli his value should be par with Dane I would assume...if he decided to get vaxxed... That really takes out the most most experienced guys, would BC stick with Rourke, if so he would be on a low contract, who would T.O go with, but probably a lesser "star" so chances are also a lower contract. If true that Fajardo is due to be over 500 for 2022 then Sask. is overpaying based on everyone else...but the real question is what is Zach worth? 450 with bonuses that could take him over 500?

Biggie and Simoni are the top LB's in the league, I believe Simoni is at around 150, so what is Biggie worth 165-175?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 13, 2022, 02:30:10 PM
Hard to keep up, so sorry if this is not correct....but Reilly is not signed..rumoured to be retiring, BO re-signed in the 400ish mark so the big ticket guys have seen a big value reduction. With Dane re-upping in the 300's Adams at low 400's, Arbuckle in the mid 200's, Ott if they stick with Matty one would assume his deal would be low (200's maybe 300's with heavy play bonuses), if they go with Massoli his value should be par with Dane I would assume...if he decided to get vaxxed... That really takes out the most most experienced guys, would BC stick with Rourke, if so he would be on a low contract, who would T.O go with, but probably a lesser "star" so chances are also a lower contract. If true that Fajardo is due to be over 500 for 2022 then Sask. is overpaying based on everyone else...but the real question is what is Zach worth? 450 with bonuses that could take him over 500?

Biggie and Simoni are the top LB's in the league, I believe Simoni is at around 150, so what is Biggie worth 165-175?

Reilly doesn't show on the free agent list but word in Vancouver is a belief he may retire. Nothing is written in stone except perhaps his current contract being an issue going forward.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 13, 2022, 02:53:19 PM

Biggie and Simoni are the top LB's in the league, I believe Simoni is at around 150, so what is Biggie worth 165-175?

I heard in an interview Bighill is hoping to play 4 more years, possible I suppose but at age 33 a bit of a stretch.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 13, 2022, 03:33:27 PM
Ti-Cats choose Dane Evans.

Tiger-Cats extend Dane Evans through 2023

https://www.tsn.ca/1.1744924.1642039458


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 13, 2022, 03:34:26 PM

Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
No specifics on Dane Evans deal with the @Ticats but I?m led to believe it?s in the high-300k/low-400k range plus playtime incentive bonuses. So not elite CFL QB $, but just below. The Cats can?t pay Jeremiah Masoli as well. #CFL #Ticats
6:21 PM ? Jan 12, 2022


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 13, 2022, 04:00:20 PM
Reilly doesn't show on the free agent list but word in Vancouver is a belief he may retire. Nothing is written in stone except perhaps his current contract being an issue going forward.

Reilly is not a Free Agent, but I've read that the Lions probably don't want to keep him at his current salary - even after restructuring.

Can't imagine it's going to sit well with Reilly to re-do his contract again.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 13, 2022, 05:09:33 PM
Reilly doesn't show on the free agent list but word in Vancouver is a belief he may retire. Nothing is written in stone except perhaps his current contract being an issue going forward.

Bo renegotiated the last year of his contract. He did not re-sign on an expiring contract. Same goes for Reilly. He has one year left on his bloated contract. So either he re-negotiates down like Bo did, retire or risk being let go.

Again like so many QB's before him, you mess up your throwing arm your career end is in the mirror sooner that you hoped. He can be the warrior all he wants (similar to how Buck Pierce was), but if you are getting clobbered with a poor offensive line and constantly knicked up, you can't play at the top level you once were and not earning your contract. 

Is Masoli unvaxxed due to personal choice or other health issues (if this is even true)? If the latter he can get an exemption. IF the former, then he has to decide if he still wants a CFL career or not as these COVID restrictions I doubt are going away anytime soon, at least for the upcoming CFL season most likely the way it looks. Many teams already stating the won't sign any players not vaxxed unless you have a special exemption.

Masoli will maybe have more than Ottawa to bid on him. If Reilly is gonzo, BC certainly in the mix. Chris Jones maybe does not like his two QB's as they were brought in by the former regime. Toronto may move on from Bethel-Thompson too. Lots of cards on the table to play still. I am pretty sure Collaros will get re-signed by the Bombers, but if something unforeseen happens they could be looking at Masoli too.

Trevor Harris is somewhat like Kevin Glenn at the end of his career. A journeyman. I don't see any team banking on him as a starter (unless desperate) at his age despite what he states he can play for another 5 years yet. Think he has to accept being a 1B or backup QB at this stage.

Nichols....is he washed up? Can he even be a decent backup anymore?

Eli in the same boat. Don't think he has an exemption as otherwise he would have been able to be on the roster for the Grey Cup game. Masoli was lucky in that he did not have to travel out of Ontario come December.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 13, 2022, 05:14:15 PM
Reilly is not a Free Agent, but I've read that the Lions probably don't want to keep him at his current salary - even after restructuring.

Can't imagine it's going to sit well with Reilly to re-do his contract again.

What does he expect? Sucks for 3 years straight and expects to still make his original money? Very suspect health condition now too. His arm may be shot for good.  If BC was smart try to trade him if anyone else would be foolish to take on that contract or cut him already unless he accepts retirement. How else to pay Lucky and field a decent team under the cap? Something has to give.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 13, 2022, 05:28:22 PM
I think Lawler landing an NFL spot is a bit of a longshot. It could happen I suppose. He's got the height but he's 27, was already looked at once (drafted in the 7th round) and has a recent DUI which the NFL won't like one bit. There are a ton of good receivers available down there and that's a position that is notoriously hard for CFL players to crack.

I'm inclined to agree. I think the odds are against him when you consider his age and position. However, I'd love to see him beat the odds, just to be clear. It'd be a nice story.

We'll see but I doubt it. Antonio was an established NFL superstar with a friend in Tom Brady. Kenny Lawler is none of those things.

This. Imagine comparing Antonio Brown and Kenny Lawler... :D


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 13, 2022, 05:45:03 PM
Collaros has been well protected behind our Oline, and with our OC's play calling.  As long as we sign most of our Oline to keep him safe and comfortable, and Buck can assure him to continue to playcall to keep him safer, I can't see us not getting Collaros back at a reasonable salary.  It might be the highest in the league, and he would deserve it.  Having won MOP last year, kinda says he's the best in the league... and deserving of the pay along with the accolades.  But, I think, he also wants assurances he is going to be protected, so unless a team comes up with some stellar Oline signings, if Bryant extends, I think Collaros is right behind...

The wild card is Ott.  Lapo has big "Hut HUT" Bob Wylie there, who light attracts and train up a good oline... although Lapo / Wylie's crew gave up 53 sacks last year vs. our 16... how much of that was Oline and how much was QB, hard to tell.  Regardless, Zach needs to be protected, and he won't find better protection than here, especially if Stanley signs soon...

Wylie actually isn't on their staff anymore.

Paul Charbonneau is taking over.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 13, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
What does he expect? Sucks for 3 years straight and expects to still make his original money? Very suspect health condition now too. His arm may be shot for good.  If BC was smart try to trade him if anyone else would be foolish to take on that contract or cut him already unless he accepts retirement. How else to pay Lucky and field a decent team under the cap? Something has to give.

I really think Reilly will retire. His body language last year just screamed I'm done and I think I know it. He looked to me like a guy who had just come to the realization that I can't do what I used to be able to do.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 13, 2022, 06:29:00 PM
I'm inclined to agree. I think the odds are against him when you consider his age and position. However, I'd love to see him beat the odds, just to be clear. It'd be a nice story.

This. Imagine comparing Antonio Brown and Kenny Lawler... :D

Not comparing them talent wise, but commenting that the NFL has a passion against domestic abuse, but doesn't seem to be too concerned with minor charges like a DUI where no one was hurt...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 13, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Wylie actually isn't on their staff anymore.

Paul Charbonneau is taking over.

Slow with their website updates...

https://www.ottawaredblacks.com/coaching-staff/

Coaching Staff

Paul LaPolice
Head Coach

Mike Benevides
Defensive Coordinator

Patrick Bourgon
Linebackers Coach

Bob Dyce
Special Teams Coordinator

Carey Bailey
Carey Bailey
Defensive Line Coach

Bob Wylie
Offensive Line Coach

Alex Suber
Receivers Coach

Greg Knox
Defensive Backs Coach

Steve Walsh
Quarterbacks Coach


Charboneau was his understudy here, too... so, sort of a Mini Hut HUT...





Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 13, 2022, 08:37:31 PM
Not comparing them talent wise, but commenting that the NFL has a passion against domestic abuse, but doesn't seem to be too concerned with minor charges like a DUI where no one was hurt...

Why compare them at all?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 13, 2022, 09:51:45 PM
Not comparing them talent wise, but commenting that the NFL has a passion against domestic abuse, but doesn't seem to be too concerned with minor charges like a DUI where no one was hurt...

The comparison makes no sense at all


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 13, 2022, 11:37:36 PM
I really think Reilly will retire. His body language last year just screamed I'm done and I think I know it. He looked to me like a guy who had just come to the realization that I can't do what I used to be able to do.
I watched Riley closely  all last season and did not see him smile or laugh once with a teammate, in fact, he looked disconnected to the players. He?s just going through the motions. He looked totally unhappy and I d be shocked if he doesn?t retire


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 14, 2022, 01:10:44 PM
I watched Riley closely  all last season and did not see him smile or laugh once with a teammate, in fact, he looked disconnected to the players. He?s just going through the motions. He looked totally unhappy and I d be shocked if he doesn?t retire

Yep...you could see it as plain as day.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 14, 2022, 03:01:11 PM
Why compare them at all?

Because the original poster said the NFL would hold a DUI against an incoming player.  The league is rife with substance abusers, and other "problem children", but unless it involves taking a knee, hitting a woman or dog fighting, "second chances" are the norm. 

If Lawler has the skills to make a roster, a DUI where no one was hurt and that he has shown remorse for and had that accepted by his team mates willnot stand in his way getting a deal...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 14, 2022, 03:04:41 PM
Because the original poster said the NFL would hold a DUI against an incoming player.  The league is rife with substance abusers, and other "problem children", but unless it involves taking a knee, hitting a woman or dog fighting, "second chances" are the norm. 

If Lawler has the skills to make a roster, a DUI where no one was hurt and that he has shown remorse for and had that accepted by his team mates willnot stand in his way getting a deal...

Aardvark, there is a big difference between one of the most prolific NFL receivers of the last twenty years getting into legal trouble and a CFL player who hasn't played a regular season snap. For the record, since 2011, Brown has been the most productive wide receiver in the NFL ranking first in receptions (821), Receiving Yards (11,400) and Receiving touchdowns (74). Brown has 100+ receptions in 6 straight seasons, the longest streak in NFL history (still active). I get you are tickled pink about how well Lawler has developed for us but there is a giant difference in how the league will view the DUI if they've never even really heard of you compared to someone like Brown.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 14, 2022, 03:22:46 PM
Because the original poster said the NFL would hold a DUI against an incoming player.  The league is rife with substance abusers, and other "problem children", but unless it involves taking a knee, hitting a woman or dog fighting, "second chances" are the norm. 

If Lawler has the skills to make a roster, a DUI where no one was hurt and that he has shown remorse for and had that accepted by his team mates willnot stand in his way getting a deal...

Not the same thing at all. All NFL teams have a dozen Lawler's to choose from every offseason. To get signed as an UFA in the NFL you gotta be squeaky clean or have someone in your corner that knows you on said team.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 14, 2022, 03:24:18 PM
Only about 42 players have been re-signed from the potential free agent list. Another 16 or so have been released outright. A couple of those due to NFL opportunities but many are more related to SMS, injuries and age issues on crowded rosters.

Ottawa released 12 players including a few older high priced vets but the also had 20+ players end the season on their IR lists. So there is a cleaning house aspect going on as well. Edmonton did something similar.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 14, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
Because the original poster said the NFL would hold a DUI against an incoming player.  The league is rife with substance abusers, and other "problem children", but unless it involves taking a knee, hitting a woman or dog fighting, "second chances" are the norm. 

If Lawler has the skills to make a roster, a DUI where no one was hurt and that he has shown remorse for and had that accepted by his team mates willnot stand in his way getting a deal...

All that said, it's still a terrible comparison to make.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pete on January 15, 2022, 01:23:04 AM
Man the going rate for Canadian starters is going a bit crazy with Argos signing Bladek for 200k  and now Ottawa signing Ruby for 165k . Wonder if they will look at the ratio in the upcoming bargaining agreement.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Tiger on January 15, 2022, 01:52:31 AM
Masoli is not vaxxed, this will play a major part of getting into Canada and flying across the country.

Evans contract is high 300's - low 400's with bonus numbers.

Apparently he can claim religious rxemption


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 15, 2022, 06:11:32 AM
Man the going rate for Canadian starters is going a bit crazy with Argos signing Bladek for 200k  and now Ottawa signing Ruby for 165k . Wonder if they will look at the ratio in the upcoming bargaining agreement.

Bladek for $200,000 is crazy, the Argos are screwing up the salary structure of the entire league, good thing they're bringing in revenue sharing to help cover the Argos mismanagement of funds.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 15, 2022, 06:58:13 PM
Bladek for $200,000 is crazy, the Argos are screwing up the salary structure of the entire league, good thing they're bringing in revenue sharing to help cover the Argos mismanagement of funds.

$170k max for 2022, potential $200k for 2023... which is still stupid for a RG...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 15, 2022, 07:12:03 PM
$170k max for 2022, potential $200k for 2023... which is still stupid for a RG...

Bladek's max for 2022 is actually $180k with performance bonuses.  That puts him equal with what Beard and McEwen were scheduled to make last year, and a little ahead of what Chung and McMillan were supposed to get.  Labatte was scheduled to get $180k in hard money in 2021, along with another $9k available in performance bonuses.  And Labatte was a year or so past his peak in 2019.

This contract puts Bladek ahead of where Ruby signed at, which makes sense to me.  Obviously the Argos are happy with him, and while it puts him in the upper ranks among his teammates, there are lots of other interior linemen getting comparable numbers. 


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 15, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
Apparently he can claim religious rxemption

According to whom...?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 15, 2022, 08:24:21 PM
Apparently he can claim religious rxemption

You bet, he can claim a religious exemption.  And it means absolutely nothing except to him.  Because there is no jurisdiction in Canada that recognizes a health exemption based on religious beliefs.   For anything, not just COVID vaccine.

Unvaxxed players are going to have a hard time getting signed, and I hive to wonder how many will "miraculously" get a "legitimate" J&J vaccine card, like certain players seem to have done recently...  now with people paying people to go in and get vaccinated in their names... there is no way to actually know who is safe and who isn't.   Even an antibody test is not 100% proof of vaccine, every body has a different level of antibody production, and now with asymptomatic Omicron being the norm rather than the exception, there's that too.

Short of a player admitting to falsifying documents, is going to be hard to prove vaccine status next season.




Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 15, 2022, 09:11:56 PM
You bet, he can claim a religious exemption.  And it means absolutely nothing except to him.  Because there is no jurisdiction in Canada that recognizes a health exemption based on religious beliefs.   For anything, not just COVID vaccine.

Unvaxxed players are going to have a hard time getting signed, and I hive to wonder how many will "miraculously" get a "legitimate" J&J vaccine card, like certain players seem to have done recently...  now with people paying people to go in and get vaccinated in their names... there is no way to actually know who is safe and who isn't.   Even an antibody test is not 100% proof of vaccine, every body has a different level of antibody production, and now with asymptomatic Omicron being the norm rather than the exception, there's that too.

Short of a player admitting to falsifying documents, is going to be hard to prove vaccine status next season.





Was OL Ruby not axed by the Esks because he faked some Vax id card last season or some other kind of shenanigans?  I believe afterwards the league came down and said no one could sign him for the rest of the season either. Maybe he found the "light" or Masoli's religion by now as got the jab to keep a job ;) Working at WalMart was no fun I expect with his unexpected holiday!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 15, 2022, 09:26:06 PM
I agree. Just saying considering the possible options he'd be an upgrade.

However I had mentioned earlier that I'd take T. Harris for the right money. I don't see him with any options to land a starting role.


Harris still hoping he can be the starter somewhere, but at his age I can't see many gambling on him for that role. Maybe at best a 1B or backup role where he has a good chance of becoming the starter if the current starter is unproven. Or he could just wait things out and wait during the season when some QB goes down and he swoops in at starter's money. NOt sure what he is thinking.

I think at this stage to become a potential starter he has to look at Ottawa and maybe BC (if Reilly in fact does retire or gets axed). Chris Jones is a bit of a  wild card, would he bring him back to Edmonton? He has a much youngers starter(s) right now to build a team from. Pinball may gas MBT too and bring in Harris. All other teams kind have banked on their starters (Bombers will WHEN they sign Collaros). He is only going to get backup offers from these other teams is my guess.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 16, 2022, 12:59:56 AM
Not sure why Ottawa wouldn?t sign him, they desperately need Qb help, as their current crew isn?t the answer by any stretch.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 16, 2022, 03:14:02 PM

Harris still hoping he can be the starter somewhere, but at his age I can't see many gambling on him for that role. Maybe at best a 1B or backup role where he has a good chance of becoming the starter if the current starter is unproven. Or he could just wait things out and wait during the season when some QB goes down and he swoops in at starter's money. NOt sure what he is thinking.

I think at this stage to become a potential starter he has to look at Ottawa and maybe BC (if Reilly in fact does retire or gets axed). Chris Jones is a bit of a  wild card, would he bring him back to Edmonton? He has a much youngers starter(s) right now to build a team from. Pinball may gas MBT too and bring in Harris. All other teams kind have banked on their starters (Bombers will WHEN they sign Collaros). He is only going to get backup offers from these other teams is my guess.

I don't foresee any problems re-signing Collaros and I don't expect him to hold Walters for ransom as he basically re-sparked Zach's football career, but I believe if need be, Trevor Harris could step in and absolutely make the Bomber offence hum.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 16, 2022, 05:04:59 PM
I don't foresee any problems re-signing Collaros and I don't expect him to hold Walters for ransom as he basically re-sparked Zach's football career, but I believe if need be, Trevor Harris could step in and absolutely make the Bomber offence hum.

Well, I have zero interest for in having him anywhere near our team.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 16, 2022, 05:35:33 PM
I don't foresee any problems re-signing Collaros and I don't expect him to hold Walters for ransom as he basically re-sparked Zach's football career, but I believe if need be, Trevor Harris could step in and absolutely make the Bomber offence hum.

Yeah, I would definitely rather see Harris here than Bethel-Thomson or some prospect.  I would take Masoli, but would prefer Harris between the two.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blueraid on January 16, 2022, 05:39:47 PM
IF Masoli doesn't get vaccinated....he isn't playing anywhere


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Waffler on January 16, 2022, 06:11:06 PM
IF Masoli doesn't get vaccinated....he isn't playing anywhere

If Harris can get his single shot in the US and be fully vaccinated so can Masoli. The thing last year is, he didn't need to. Now he does.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 19, 2022, 03:32:27 AM
https://www.tsn.ca/delvin-breaux-sr-cfl-hamilton-tiger-cats-1.1747231


Breaux is un-retiring and a FA in February


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on January 19, 2022, 12:26:51 PM
Harris and Massoli are due to retire
(Best before date is past due.)

Backups, in the twilight of their career.
Harris with a good O-line and good receivers might still be effective.Massoli  has been fairly good.  He scrambles and that buys him time to find open guys.  But the last couple of years, he couldn't seem to do that.

Certainly on a team with those characteristics, they could resurrect their glory days.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 19, 2022, 01:06:43 PM
Harris and Massoli are due to retire
(Best before date is past due.)

Backups, in the twilight of their career.
Harris with a good O-line and good receivers might still be effective.Massoli  has been fairly good.  He scrambles and that buys him time to find open guys.  But the last couple of years, he couldn't seem to do that.

Certainly on a team with those characteristics, they could resurrect their glory days.

Masoli is 3 days older than Collaros. IIRC Harris is a little younger than Collaros. Masoli nearly beat us in the Grey Cup.

Calling them back up QB's is a little narrow of a view. Put Collaros on the Renegades in 2021 and you might have seen the same kind of lesser result.

Would Collaros have survived playing in Vancouver with a bad OL and a bad run game.

No dispute is a better QB than those replacement options but it is a team game. There are games where every QB has a " bad game " but victory is carried by the rest of the team.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 19, 2022, 03:46:49 PM
Masoli is 3 days older than Collaros. IIRC Harris is a little younger than Collaros. Masoli nearly beat us in the Grey Cup.

Calling them back up QB's is a little narrow of a view. Put Collaros on the Renegades in 2021 and you might have seen the same kind of lesser result.

Would Collaros have survived playing in Vancouver with a bad OL and a bad run game.

No dispute is a better QB than those replacement options but it is a team game. There are games where every QB has a " bad game " but victory is carried by the rest of the team.


Agreed....case and point is Mike Reilly in BC.    Zach had a few games where he wasn't stellar yet the Bomber Defence and special teams prevailed.    Yet overall his winning record speaks for itself.   He is able to pull the trigger at just the right time and that's the sign of a winner.    Did he have a great game throwing all those picks in the western final?   Yet he was able to rally the offence when needed and we win.   Same in the Grey Cup game where Hamilton had stymied Zach and AH for the better part of the game.   He pulled it together in the 4th quarter and our D did the rest.   In OT he was calm and cool throwing to Adams for 6 and Bailey for 2.    Then our Defence comes up with a miraculous pic and the game is OVER!!    Zach puts the Gold in the Blue and Gold!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 19, 2022, 05:53:48 PM
Masoli is 3 days older than Collaros. IIRC Harris is a little younger than Collaros. Masoli nearly beat us in the Grey Cup.

Calling them back up QB's is a little narrow of a view. Put Collaros on the Renegades in 2021 and you might have seen the same kind of lesser result.

Would Collaros have survived playing in Vancouver with a bad OL and a bad run game.

No dispute is a better QB than those replacement options but it is a team game. There are games where every QB has a " bad game " but victory is carried by the rest of the team.



No doubt ZC8 does benefits from have one of the best OL in the CFL. Masoli did out play ZC8 for most of the GC. Masoli runs a little better, and more often. ZC8 knows are team and our O very well, and works well with Buck. ZC8 has won us back to back Grey Cups.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 19, 2022, 06:18:14 PM
No doubt ZC8 does benefits from have one of the best OL in the CFL. Masoli did out play ZC8 for most of the GC. Masoli runs a little better, and more often. ZC8 knows are team and our O very well, and works well with Buck. ZC8 has won us back to back Grey Cups.

I'd prefer T. Harris over Masoli, he seems to be more focused and consistent and can get red hot at times.  His biggest detraction has been scoring from the red-zone, I think that issue would vanish once lined up behind the Bomber O-line with the CFL's top running game at his back.

None of these QB options are young, including Zach, so they are all short term solution.  I doubt any will be the solution for anymore than the next 2 years.  If need be plug the hole with a seasoned vet. and keep looking for the young phenom.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 19, 2022, 06:23:15 PM
I'd prefer T. Harris over Masoli, he seems to be more focused and consistent and can get red hot at times.  His biggest detraction has been scoring from the red-zone, I think that issue would vanish once lined up behind the Bomber O-line with the CFL's top running game at his back.

None of these QB options are young, including Zach, so they are all short term solution.  I doubt any will be the solution for anymore than the next 2 years.  If need be plug the hole with a seasoned vet. and keep looking for the young phenom.

That's about the size of it. Collaros was the best QB in the CFL in 2021. I just didn't think sending Harris or Masoli to the scrap heap just yet was a reasonable position. On the right team they could do well and be productive.

No real idea where any of them might end up in 2022. We still might see some musical chairs before or during free agency.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 19, 2022, 07:23:22 PM
That's about the size of it. Collaros was the best QB in the CFL in 2021. I just didn't think sending Harris or Masoli to the scrap heap just yet was a reasonable position. On the right team they could do well and be productive.

No real idea where any of them might end up in 2022. We still might see some musical chairs before or during free agency.


For the sake of the league I hope Ottawa finds a QB solution asap, they brought in a couple of solid prospects last season that may pan out down the road, but they need a good veteran QB to start the season to get them back in the race.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 19, 2022, 11:19:17 PM
I'd prefer T. Harris over Masoli, he seems to be more focused and consistent and can get red hot at times.  His biggest detraction has been scoring from the red-zone, I think that issue would vanish once lined up behind the Bomber O-line with the CFL's top running game at his back.

None of these QB options are young, including Zach, so they are all short term solution.  I doubt any will be the solution for anymore than the next 2 years.  If need be plug the hole with a seasoned vet. and keep looking for the young phenom.
I hope we can sign Collaros, but agree on T Harris. I think he would thrive behind our O line

I can understand Collaros wanting to stay in Ontario so he could be close to his family in Aurora, and if he goes to Toronto they ll be favoured to get to the grey cup so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 20, 2022, 03:55:46 PM
Every team currently has about 20 potential free agents. Nobody is favoured to win anything quite yet.

I wonder if the league has any idea where the SMS will land going forward. There may be hesitance to spend to an SMS that might be going down. Revenue is certainly going to take time to rebound.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 20, 2022, 05:04:29 PM
Every team currently has about 20 potential free agents. Nobody is favoured to win anything quite yet.

I wonder if the league has any idea where the SMS will land going forward. There may be hesitance to spend to an SMS that might be going down. Revenue is certainly going to take time to rebound.

The CFL continues to chase it's tail and get everything it can bassakwards, it would be nice to see them get ahead of the game and have a strategy in place beforehand.  I haven't heard when the league meetings and P.A. discussions are scheduled yet, but they should have cracked these nuts sometime in Dec. or early Jan. so they had some idea where they are going.

They are a couple of weeks from F.A. and no indication from head-office on spending limits.  The GM's will have targeted their cash before a budget is ever presented to them, that or everything is cloaked in secrecy so everyone is left in the dark.

Crisis???  What crisis?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 20, 2022, 05:44:06 PM
Sounds like Boateng has been released by Edm... but not for an NFL look.  guessing there was a Feb 1 roster bonus involved?

Can you pay a Boateng with Kongbo possibly coming back?



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 20, 2022, 06:12:41 PM
Sounds like Boateng has been released by Edm... but not for an NFL look.  guessing there was a Feb 1 roster bonus involved?

Can you pay a Boateng with Kongbo possibly coming back?



If you can sign Boateng to a realistic contract you sign him immediately. We have no idea if Kongbo returns or if in fact he returns to the Bombers. On many teams Boateng would be a starting Canadian DE. If not for Jefferson and Jeffcoat he'd start here as well.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 20, 2022, 06:19:28 PM
Sounds like Boateng has been released by Edm... but not for an NFL look.  guessing there was a Feb 1 roster bonus involved?

Can you pay a Boateng with Kongbo possibly coming back?



Roster bonus when your a FA is a good deal.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 20, 2022, 06:44:57 PM
Sounds like Boateng has been released by Edm... but not for an NFL look.  guessing there was a Feb 1 roster bonus involved?

Can you pay a Boateng with Kongbo possibly coming back?


Boateng will want starter money and should be a starter. Can't pay 3 DEs starting money and doubt Boateng would want to play as a backup. And even if he came aboard, doubt Kongbo would then come back too if the NFL doesn't pan out


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on January 20, 2022, 06:52:54 PM
Boateng will want starter money and should be a starter. Can't pay 3 DEs starting money and doubt Boateng would want to play as a backup. And even if he came aboard, doubt Kongbo would then come back too if the NFL doesn't pan out

Agree. We can't being paying 4 DEs 200k. We've got the stars in the Jeffs to be our primary attack and now just need relatively inexpensive but highly capable rotational guys to spell them and keep it fresh. Ideally we scout a great find in an American at a camp this winter, or even better, draft another Trent Corney sort of player and then the passport helps too.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 20, 2022, 07:10:59 PM
Agree. We can't being paying 4 DEs 200k. We've got the stars in the Jeffs to be our primary attack and now just need relatively inexpensive but highly capable rotational guys to spell them and keep it fresh. Ideally we scout a great find in an American at a camp this winter, or even better, draft another Trent Corney sort of player and then the passport helps too.
Not sure what the salary would be, so I'm doubtful but Mathieu Betts would be a nice #3. Could see him going to  MTL though.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 20, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
Agree. We can't being paying 4 DEs 200k. We've got the stars in the Jeffs to be our primary attack and now just need relatively inexpensive but highly capable rotational guys to spell them and keep it fresh. Ideally we scout a great find in an American at a camp this winter, or even better, draft another Trent Corney sort of player and then the passport helps too.

We need that NAT DE in the rotation. It helps spell out Fatboi who can't play every snap.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 20, 2022, 07:55:54 PM
We need that NAT DE in the rotation. It helps spell out Fatboi who can't play every snap.

Maybe.  Another option would be another NI DT who can rotate, and let Stove or Sayles walk.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 20, 2022, 08:22:22 PM
Maybe.  Another option would be another NI DT who can rotate, and let Stove or Sayles walk.

Drawing a blank, Ted Laurent, Cleyon Laing are too expensive and too old, other than that a bunch of Natl. no-names playing DT.  I don't know what they ever planned on using Tobi Antigha for but maybe he fits back in somewhere and is worth re-signing.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 20, 2022, 08:27:10 PM
Boateng will want starter money and should be a starter. Can't pay 3 DEs starting money and doubt Boateng would want to play as a backup. And even if he came aboard, doubt Kongbo would then come back too if the NFL doesn't pan out

We have to find another quality Canadian capable of starting. He may be unaffordable but it's worth speaking to his agent. Calling him a back up or a starter is somewhat irrelevant. Kongbo wasn't technically the starter either and there is zero guarantee he ever comes back.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 20, 2022, 08:39:54 PM
We have to find another quality Canadian capable of starting. He may be unaffordable but it's worth speaking to his agent. Calling him a back up or a starter is somewhat irrelevant. Kongbo wasn't technically the starter either and there is zero guarantee he ever comes back.


Sure the Bombers should look into signing him, but I highly doubt he would come here. Calling him the backup or starter is very relevant considering Boateng most likely would want Canadian starter money, and has earned as much. Paying the #3 DE on the team, whether it be Boateng or Jeffcoat, a high salary is not realistic and probably not the best allocation of cap space when considering Stove is a FA along with most of the secondary and receiver room (not to mention Collaros)


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 20, 2022, 08:49:13 PM
Drawing a blank, Ted Laurent, Cleyon Laing are too expensive and too old, other than that a bunch of Natl. no-names playing DT.  I don't know what they ever planned on using Tobi Antigha for but maybe he fits back in somewhere and is worth re-signing.



I agree Laing and Laurent are too pricey.  I could see Junior Turner or Makana Henry splitting reps with Fatboi and bringing back Antigha as a DI.  This is assuming that Connor Griffith's can't be talked into resuming his career.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 20, 2022, 11:45:46 PM
Sure the Bombers should look into signing him, but I highly doubt he would come here. Calling him the backup or starter is very relevant considering Boateng most likely would want Canadian starter money, and has earned as much. Paying the #3 DE on the team, whether it be Boateng or Jeffcoat, a high salary is not realistic and probably not the best allocation of cap space when considering Stove is a FA along with most of the secondary and receiver room (not to mention Collaros)

How is that different than signing Kongbo in 2021 or expecting to be able to re-sign him if he returns to the CFL? Whether he'd come here or not is a different question. He'll end up somewhere in the CFL. The other free agents we have will still exist and we need another Canadian on defence just like in 2019 and 2021.

You think that another Canadian DL as good will come for less? If Griffith comes out of retirement and is more than capable on an ELC I'll be happy. It's a long shot he returns left alone a possible elite player in season 1.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 21, 2022, 12:08:34 AM
How is that different than signing Kongbo in 2021 or expecting to be able to re-sign him if he returns to the CFL? Whether he'd come here or not is a different question. He'll end up somewhere in the CFL. The other free agents we have will still exist and we need another Canadian on defence just like in 2019 and 2021.

You think that another Canadian DL as good will come for less? If Griffith comes out of retirement and is more than capable on an ELC I'll be happy. It's a long shot he returns left alone a possible elite player in season 1.
Do I really need to explain how signing a known starting Canadian DE with 25 sacks in 4 seasons is different than we re-signed Kongbo when he came back from the NFL after he played 12 games with us the year prior?

I agree we need a Canadian Dlineman. I think Boateng is very unrealistic


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 21, 2022, 12:46:45 AM
Do I really need to explain how signing a known starting Canadian DE with 25 sacks in 4 seasons is different than we re-signed Kongbo when he came back from the NFL after he played 12 games with us the year prior?

I agree we need a Canadian Dlineman. I think Boateng is very unrealistic

What I would like to know is the reason Jones is dumping Boateng, he must have a great replacement lined up or wants to go with an all Import D-line.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 21, 2022, 12:54:10 AM
What I would like to know is the reason Jones is dumping Boateng, he must have a great replacement lined up or wants to go with an all Import D-line.
He hasnt been cut yet, but in John Hodge's insider talk article yesterday, apparently Jones wants IMP DEs. Boateng and Betts are both on expiring deals I believe. Not sure who he has lined up and honestly not sure why he wouldn't keep at least one Canadian DE


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 03:40:50 AM
He hasnt been cut yet, but in John Hodge's insider talk article yesterday, apparently Jones wants IMP DEs. Boateng and Betts are both on expiring deals I believe. Not sure who he has lined up and honestly not sure why he wouldn't keep at least one Canadian DE

Boateng and Betts are both FA's.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 21, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Do I really need to explain how signing a known starting Canadian DE with 25 sacks in 4 seasons is different than we re-signed Kongbo when he came back from the NFL after he played 12 games with us the year prior?

I agree we need a Canadian Dlineman. I think Boateng is very unrealistic

Apparently you need to have our need on the ratio explained and what it would have cost to re-sign Kongbo if he didn't get an NFL offer.
 
How much did we play Geoff Gray to sit as the non active OL most of the season? While that was probably less than Boateng got but a team has to have depth and Canadian depth in particular. Rostering DI's like Antigua and Brown means not paying ELC's to those players as well. We paid Castillo $7K+ per game to add him. Essentially you have to pay what you have to pay across the roster.

In the past naming the 24 starters was easier. In today's era there is so much situational rotation that we have 1a, 1b and 1c rotation. On our DL, Hansen was our 1c DE. OTOH, if we didn't have him we may have rostered a veteran import like Roh in 2019 for example.

The ratio need to pay up for Canadians is always there and that includes for depth.

Alternately M. Betts would be another player to consider. A little less than Boateng but a quality player.




Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 21, 2022, 03:53:17 PM
Apparently you need to have our need on the ratio explained and what it would have cost to re-sign Kongbo if he didn't get an NFL offer.
 
How much did we play Geoff Gray to sit as the non active OL most of the season? While that was probably less than Boateng got but a team has to have depth and Canadian depth in particular. Rostering DI's like Antigua and Brown means not paying ELC's to those players as well. We paid Castillo $7K+ per game to add him. Essentially you have to pay what you have to pay across the roster.

In the past naming the 24 starters was easier. In today's era there is so much situational rotation that we have 1a, 1b and 1c rotation. On our DL, Hansen was our 1c DE. OTOH, if we didn't have him we may have rostered a veteran import like Roh in 2019 for example.

The ratio need to pay up for Canadians is always there and that includes for depth.

Alternately M. Betts would be another player to consider. A little less than Boateng but a quality player.



Do you really think Kongbo would cost as much as Boateng? Boateng had a down year this year and still finished with as many sacks as Kongbo has in his entire CFL career. Kongbo is potential, Boateng is a known starter. If Boateng signs here, great. I hope he does, but he is going to command Canadian starters money and I'm not too sure that it would make sense or be possible for us to sign him, plus I'd be surprised if he would want to essentially be a backup who subs in at this point in his career.

Where did I say teams don't need to have depth? Again, if we could get Boateng, great. But I doubt it's a realistic signing for us to make, especially with all the holes still on the roster. Yes, depth is needed but so are starters at other positions currently. As ideal as it would be to just sign all the starting quality Canadians in FA and classify them as "depth", it's just not realistic.

Not sure how expensive Brown and Anthiga were considering Brown was cut by the Elks and was in and out of the lineup and Anthiga spent half the season on the PR.

Essentially, sure if Boateng takes a somewhat large pay cut and a diminished role then sure I guess I can see it. But I'm not sure a ratio breaking 26 year old defensive end who made 200k on his last deal and has averaged over 6 sacks per season will


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 21, 2022, 04:10:04 PM
Do you really think Kongbo would cost as much as Boateng? Boateng had a down year this year and still finished with as many sacks as Kongbo has in his entire CFL career. Kongbo is potential, Boateng is a known starter. If Boateng signs here, great. I hope he does, but he is going to command Canadian starters money and I'm not too sure that it would make sense or be possible for us to sign him, plus I'd be surprised if he would want to essentially be a backup who subs in at this point in his career.

Where did I say teams don't need to have depth? Again, if we could get Boateng, great. But I doubt it's a realistic signing for us to make, especially with all the holes still on the roster. Yes, depth is needed but so are starters at other positions currently. As ideal as it would be to just sign all the starting quality Canadians in FA and classify them as "depth", it's just not realistic.

Not sure how expensive Brown and Anthiga were considering Brown was cut by the Elks and was in and out of the lineup and Anthiga spent half the season on the PR.

Essentially, sure if Boateng takes a somewhat large pay cut and a diminished role then sure I guess I can see it. But I'm not sure a ratio breaking 26 year old defensive end who made 200k on his last deal and has averaged over 6 sacks per season will

I'm saying the spread between what Boateng and Kongbo might get is not as big as you make out. Obviously Boateng is not going to get what he was getting if the Elks are considering import DE's and the possibility of releasing Boateng. You might say the Elks had to overpay based on where they were with ratio and starting Canadians. That's the nature of finding the best options in your starting 7.

OTOH, Kongbo has an NFL futures contract. When he comes back to the CFL he's not going to be cheap. Even if that is this LD, he's going to be $100K+. If we didn't have our Jackson and Jeffcoat he would probably be a starter in Winnipeg ( assuming no NFL deal ).

Realistically Kongbo missed half of the 2019 season before he was healthy. So he's really only played 26 regular season games.

Brown and Antigua were just examples of more expensive veteran DI's even though they didn't spend entire seasons on the active roster. Ratio along with Kongbo and Hansen allowed us to not need to DI an import DI that could fill in / rotate at DE. We were able to use an ELC DT as a DI instead.

In 2019 we had to DI an import DE as a DI in Roh for example.

Anyway. Some CFL team will find a roster spot for Boateng. There aren't going to be a huge number of quality Canadian's that can be added to fill out our need to replace Kongbo. Betts is the only other name that has come up so far. He may or may not even make it to free agency.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 21, 2022, 04:26:07 PM
Kongbo is getting NFL looks... for a reason.  Kongbo's numbers were in spite of playing behind Jefferson/Jeffcoat.  Boateng got way more snaps. 

Yes, Kongbo > Boateng IMHO.  But both are quality players. 

Jones ran Dressler and Chick out of SSK when he swooped in, and Boateng is learning what the Jones method is now...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 21, 2022, 04:38:52 PM
Kongbo is getting NFL looks... for a reason.  Kongbo's numbers were in spite of playing behind Jefferson/Jeffcoat.  Boateng got way more snaps. 

Yes, Kongbo > Boateng IMHO.  But both are quality players. 

Jones ran Dressler and Chick out of SSK when he swooped in, and Boateng is learning what the Jones method is now...
I'm interested, why Kongbo> Boateng?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 21, 2022, 04:43:46 PM
I'm saying the spread between what Boateng and Kongbo might get is not as big as you make out. Obviously Boateng is not going to get what he was getting if the Elks are considering import DE's and the possibility of releasing Boateng. You might say the Elks had to overpay based on where they were with ratio and starting Canadians. That's the nature of finding the best options in your starting 7.

OTOH, Kongbo has an NFL futures contract. When he comes back to the CFL he's not going to be cheap. Even if that is this LD, he's going to be $100K+. If we didn't have our Jackson and Jeffcoat he would probably be a starter in Winnipeg ( assuming no NFL deal ).

Realistically Kongbo missed half of the 2019 season before he was healthy. So he's really only played 26 regular season games.

Brown and Antigua were just examples of more expensive veteran DI's even though they didn't spend entire seasons on the active roster. Ratio along with Kongbo and Hansen allowed us to not need to DI an import DI that could fill in / rotate at DE. We were able to use an ELC DT as a DI instead.

In 2019 we had to DI an import DE as a DI in Roh for example.

Anyway. Some CFL team will find a roster spot for Boateng. There aren't going to be a huge number of quality Canadian's that can be added to fill out our need to replace Kongbo. Betts is the only other name that has come up so far. He may or may not even make it to free agency.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It's tough to know because Kongbo played less snaps and games than Boateng. Experience is valuable.

I can see Kongbo being around 100k, but that's just my guess. If he hit CFL FA with no NFL contract, I'm sure a team would pay him more.

I doubt Anthiga or Brown were expensive. I'd say Brown was veterans minimum and Anthiga not too far off it either. Good chance we will need to run with an DI at DE this season again. Canadian defensive ends are not easy to find, especially ones of Boateng or Kongbo's quality


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 21, 2022, 04:58:04 PM
Boateng and Betts are both FA's.

Right, so nobody is getting cut, this is just more John Hodge speculation, Jones probably hasn't said anything regarding Boateng, Hodge doesn't know any more than anyone else and now people are squabbling over nothing! 


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 05:04:18 PM
Maybe Boateng has some interest from the NFL, and just wanted an early release.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 21, 2022, 05:26:56 PM
Maybe Boateng has some interest from the NFL, and just wanted an early release.

Boateng looks short for a DE, I think they're fibbing when they list him at 6'-2", he would probably play LB in the NFL.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 21, 2022, 05:39:44 PM
Right, so nobody is getting cut, this is just more John Hodge speculation, Jones probably hasn't said anything regarding Boateng, Hodge doesn't know any more than anyone else and now people are squabbling over nothing! 


So, this was tweeted in response to Hodge's tweet...

Kwaku Boateng@KwakuBoat3ng
The next few weeks are going to be interesting



So who knows if he's been cut, or if Jones' negotiating strategy is "we don't NEED you.." or something in the middle...

If it's not until FA day, then you can bet there will be a bidding war for Boateng, and Betts might just end up getting some offers as well... I can see Walters trying for Betts at a value price with playoff money and playing with Jefferson, Jeffcoat as incentives, plus Kongbo's 2 NFL looks after playing here...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 21, 2022, 05:56:20 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national defensive back Mike Edem to a contract extension.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on January 21, 2022, 07:06:15 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national defensive back Mike Edem to a contract extension.

My condolences to the Riders.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 21, 2022, 07:07:45 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national defensive back Mike Edem to a contract extension.
I swear he's been around forever


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 07:10:25 PM
Pretty solid Canadian safety. Nice signing by the Riders.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 21, 2022, 07:17:15 PM
I swear he's been around forever

I thought he died.

Isn't he like 98 years old?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 21, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
I thought he died.

Isn't he like 98 years old?

He had serious concussions issues at one time, but that was so long ago everyone in Sask. has forgotten about them.  I guess he gots better now.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 09:06:05 PM
He had serious concussions issues at one time, but that was so long ago everyone in Sask. has forgotten about them.  I guess he gots better now.

We have a player that had the same issue's. He's also much better now.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 21, 2022, 09:24:26 PM
I thought he died.

Isn't he like 98 years old?
I remember wanting him after the 2015 season before he went to BC


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 21, 2022, 10:28:06 PM
B.C. Lions have released Canadian receiver and Vancouver native Lemar Durant.

He was reportedly the CFL?s highest-paid national receiver and was scheduled to earn $200,000 in 2022 as part of a contract extension he signed in December 2020.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 21, 2022, 11:32:17 PM
Decent reciever but waaaay overpaid. Another BC contract gafff!!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on January 21, 2022, 11:53:47 PM
B.C. Lions have released Canadian receiver and Vancouver native Lemar Durant.

He was reportedly the CFL?s highest-paid national receiver and was scheduled to earn $200,000 in 2022 as part of a contract extension he signed in December 2020.

BC!!!  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 22, 2022, 03:45:12 AM
Decent reciever but waaaay overpaid. Another BC contract gafff!!

Can't blame Wally, spending was under control till they hired Ed Hervey.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 22, 2022, 01:14:28 PM
B.C. Lions have released Canadian receiver and Vancouver native Lemar Durant.

He was reportedly the CFL?s highest-paid national receiver and was scheduled to earn $200,000 in 2022 as part of a contract extension he signed in December 2020.

Yes way overpaid. However as a Canadian receiver he'll land somewhere at a significantly reduced price. IMO we're going to see more big contracts dumped around the league. Could be some really talented players available to the big spenders.

Looking at the top 30 potential free agents, you could build a solid roster if you had the money.

Not expecting the Bombers to be big players except with our own players but it's an interesting list.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 22, 2022, 03:30:34 PM
Ti Cats release Kalinic in order to chase NFL opportunities???  Two CFL seasons and only about 200 yards total yardage and he gets an NFL chance.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 22, 2022, 03:53:25 PM
Ti Cats release Kalinic in order to chase NFL opportunities???  Two CFL seasons and only about 200 yards total yardage and he gets an NFL chance.

The CFL just doesn't use tight ends as an integral part of the offence in the same way as the NFL.  Kalic's blocking skills have more value in the run heavy style of game, and TEs with the combination of size and speed get more targets than they do up here on the wider field.  Back in the 1970s, Kalinic might have been a 1000 yard receiver in the CFL.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 22, 2022, 04:34:10 PM
The CFL just doesn't use tight ends as an integral part of the offence in the same way as the NFL.  Kalic's blocking skills have more value in the run heavy style of game, and TEs with the combination of size and speed get more targets than they do up here on the wider field.  Back in the 1970s, Kalinic might have been a 1000 yard receiver in the CFL.

I understand but by any definition he's still a raw player and the NFL has players coming out of college every season to look at in their draft.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 22, 2022, 05:24:15 PM
I understand but by any definition he's still a raw player and the NFL has players coming out of college every season to look at in their draft.

Well, he's less raw than all those new college recruits, he's had 2 years to learn how to be a pro and play against men.  At the same time, he's still young enough and has great measureables, so they can expect him to continue to develop.  While it seems incongruous on the surface, this signing is just another illustration that certain types of players are a better fit for one league than they other.  Auclair is another example of a Canadian TE who has more value down there than he does here.  A lack of CFL stats isn't the final determinant for a players prospects in the NFL.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 22, 2022, 05:51:07 PM
Ti Cats release Kalinic in order to chase NFL opportunities???  Two CFL seasons and only about 200 yards total yardage and he gets an NFL chance.
Tight end is not a widely used position in the CFL so he was pretty much exclusively a blocker


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 22, 2022, 05:53:06 PM
The Toronto Argonauts can cross another pending free agent off their list, as veteran linebacker Bear Woods appears to be walking away from pro football after 10 seasons in the CFL.

On Saturday, the Elmore County Board of Education voted to approve the hiring of Woods as the head coach and athletic director of Wetumpka High School. A native of Florida, Woods has made his offseason home in the small Alabama town for many years, having graduated from nearby Troy University.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 22, 2022, 06:05:03 PM
Jonathan "Bear" Woods. Probably a good idea for him to retire. Played 4 games in 2018, 3 games in 2019, and zero in 2021.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 22, 2022, 06:20:29 PM
Well, he's less raw than all those new college recruits, he's had 2 years to learn how to be a pro and play against men.  At the same time, he's still young enough and has great measureables, so they can expect him to continue to develop.  While it seems incongruous on the surface, this signing is just another illustration that certain types of players are a better fit for one league than they other.  Auclair is another example of a Canadian TE who has more value down there than he does here.  A lack of CFL stats isn't the final determinant for a players prospects in the NFL.

No but as a TE he didn't exactly get a lot of game reps in the CFL either. Therefore not a significant amount of film. We'll see if he lands a roster or PR spot. Good luck to him.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 24, 2022, 09:17:43 PM
Sounds like Reilly is retiring...

Murray McCormick@murraylp
?

I have nothing but respect for Michael Reilly. Always co-operative, a great quote and interview and had awesome hats. He played the CFL game so well. Good luck in retirement.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 24, 2022, 09:25:16 PM
Trevor Harris is doing a happy dance and calling his accountant.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 24, 2022, 09:39:50 PM
Glad we got Collaros signed... one less in the QB carousel... will drive the prices up a bit.  Not just Harris, Masoli too... MBT's ask just increased...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pete on January 24, 2022, 09:51:03 PM
imagine if MBT were to sign with BC ,Masoli would end up being part of a bidding war with TO and OttawA! But if nothing else BC can likely afford to keep Burnam


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 24, 2022, 09:59:28 PM
Lucky's worth just dropped by half as will his deep ball reception numbers.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 24, 2022, 11:50:18 PM
BC has announced Rourke is 1A, and they will bring in a vet CFL QB to be 1B...  probably the best non-starter position in the CFL....


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 25, 2022, 12:16:01 AM
imagine if MBT were to sign with BC ,Masoli would end up being part of a bidding war with TO and OttawA! But if nothing else BC can likely afford to keep Burnam

True. But will Burnham decide he wants to play there knowing they've got a hope and a prayer at quarterback?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on January 25, 2022, 12:45:40 AM
Dave Campbell
@Dave_CHED
6h
#Elks have signed their leading rusher from last season James WIlder Jr. to a one-year contract extension through the 2022 #CFL season. Wilder just received his first vaccine dose and will be fully vaccinated well in time before the start of training camp.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on January 25, 2022, 12:47:55 AM
Sounds like Reilly is retiring...

Murray McCormick@murraylp
?

I have nothing but respect for Michael Reilly. Always co-operative, a great quote and interview and had awesome hats. He played the CFL game so well. Good luck in retirement.

Confirmed...

CFL
@CFL
3h
BREAKING: Michael Reilly has announced his retirement.

A storied career, including four passing titles and two #GreyCup championships, is hanging up the cleats.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 25, 2022, 01:08:05 AM
Confirmed...

CFL
@CFL
3h
BREAKING: Michael Reilly has announced his retirement.

A storied career, including four passing titles and two #GreyCup championships, is hanging up the cleats.
He was a warrior. He smashed the Blue Bombers to much more my liking. Happy trails Reilly.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 25, 2022, 02:05:29 AM
An always dangerous QB and he was a warrior!   


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 25, 2022, 02:34:24 AM
BC has announced Rourke is 1A, and they will bring in a vet CFL QB to be 1B...  probably the best non-starter position in the CFL....
I m thinking Trevor Harris shows up in BC.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 25, 2022, 02:35:48 AM
Confirmed...

CFL
@CFL
3h
BREAKING: Michael Reilly has announced his retirement.

A storied career, including four passing titles and two #GreyCup championships, is hanging up the cleats.
It was time. He didn?t enjoy himself at all in BC the last couple of years and they aren?t going to win anytime soon. Time to move on Mike, best of luck


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 25, 2022, 01:23:18 PM
Reilly retiring could make the Lions bigger players in free agency. They might sign Harris at QB but still going to save a lot of money in the difference.

I hope they aren't going to target any of our players.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 25, 2022, 01:56:25 PM
Reilly retiring could make the Lions bigger players in free agency. They might sign Harris at QB but still going to save a lot of money in the difference.

I hope they aren't going to target any of our players.


They totally will and they will have to offer a premium for players to want to play there. Not unlike what we did for a few years when Walters and O'Shea were getting going. Not saying they won't be successful because money talks but they have a recent history of losing, no real QB at the moment and a high cost of living working against them. They'll be able to overpay for some but that money doesn't stretch that far. Especially if they go after one of the free agent QBs. You're looking at probably a savings of $200-250k from Reilly to one of them maybe if you're lucky.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on January 25, 2022, 03:09:57 PM
I wonder how much this will affect Lucky? He is a playmaker, but I wonder without a star QB what he can do....He keeps proving people who doubt him wrong so far so go Lucky....


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 25, 2022, 03:32:48 PM
They totally will and they will have to offer a premium for players to want to play there. Not unlike what we did for a few years when Walters and O'Shea were getting going. Not saying they won't be successful because money talks but they have a recent history of losing, no real QB at the moment and a high cost of living working against them. They'll be able to overpay for some but that money doesn't stretch that far. Especially if they go after one of the free agent QBs. You're looking at probably a savings of $200-250k from Reilly to one of them maybe if you're lucky.

Sure but my thought was more about who of our players fits their particular needs and could fall into an SMS plan. Many teams could have interest in Lawler and Bailey but would they be a better fit than Burnham and an SMS advantage for example.

They could have an interest in Grant as a new returner but how much more would / could they offer?

Actually Richardson might be the most logical for them to go after in order to upgrade a weak area.

I mentioned Couture previously as a Vancouver area player. Whether he's interested in Vancouver or vice versa I'm not so sure. Center is not a problem in BC but another starting Canadian interior OL player might be of interest as well.

I don't think their secondary or LB's ares particular area they want to address at the moment.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 25, 2022, 04:18:40 PM
I wonder how much this will affect Lucky? He is a playmaker, but I wonder without a star QB what he can do....He keeps proving people who doubt him wrong so far so go Lucky....

In the three games Rourke had significant playing time in...

date    rec-tar   yds
08-06   5-8     136yds
10-16   DNP
11-19   6-8     92 yds

So, Lucky had his best game in game 1 with Rourke playnig half the game, not sure how many targets were from Riley...  the last game of the year, Rourke spread it around, Rhymes got 103 yds, Burnham got 69, both with 7 targets...



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Tiger on January 25, 2022, 04:30:53 PM
So Masoli and Lawler to BC?  Harris would get crushed behind that line.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 25, 2022, 05:02:21 PM
So Masoli and Lawler to BC?  Harris would get crushed behind that line.

Feels like Ottawa's the only one looking for a starter.

I'm sure BC announced Rourke as their #1 to let agents know they are bringing someone in on a back up salary only.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 25, 2022, 06:17:50 PM
Feels like Ottawa's the only one looking for a starter.

I'm sure BC announced Rourke as their #1 to let agents know they are bringing someone in on a back up salary only.

A bit surprising that the Redblacks haven't released Nichols yet. The SMS hit and injury in 2021 have to be an issue.

Can't see O'Rourke starting in BC unless there is no alternative. MBT, Harris and possibly Masoli still in the mix of potential free agent QB's.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: blue_or_die on January 25, 2022, 06:32:49 PM
I think more people are calling him "O'Rourke" on this site than his actual name.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 25, 2022, 06:34:02 PM
A bit surprising that the Redblacks haven't released Nichols yet. The SMS hit and injury in 2021 have to be an issue.

Can't see O'Rourke starting in BC unless there is no alternative. MBT, Harris and possibly Masoli still in the mix of potential free agent QB's.

I can't see Rick Campbell being dumb enough to roll with Rourke, if he screws up this year his job is in jeopardy.  He's talking about a 1 and 1-A QB situation, so that likely means Harris.  MBT stays put and Masoli is left to sign with the RB's.

I'm cheering for Nichols but this is probably his last kick at the cat, how healthy his arm is in a few months will determine his future.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 25, 2022, 07:14:31 PM
I can't see Rick Campbell being dumb enough to roll with Rourke, if he screws up this year his job is in jeopardy.  He's talking about a 1 and 1-A QB situation, so that likely means Harris.  MBT stays put and Masoli is left to sign with the RB's.

I'm cheering for Nichols but this is probably his last kick at the cat, how healthy his arm is in a few months will determine his future.

I certainly hope he isn't kicking cats....

I can see Pinball using Streveler as a bargaining chip in the MBT discussions, the CFL would be well served getting Streves into the big smoke.  That would be marketing gold. 

I think a vaccinated Masoli slips into BC well...

Lapo would love to get a healthy Harris in OTT, but no doubt would take an MBT, and Pinball knows that...

As much as the QB situation got clearer with Collaros' and Reilly's decisions, it is still quite muddy


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: TBURGESS on January 25, 2022, 09:10:49 PM
As it stands right now... BC, Edmonton, Ottawa and Toronto don't have starting QB's. BC & Edmonton have young guns with an upside. Harris, MBT, & Masoli, if Vax'd, are looking for starting jobs.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 25, 2022, 09:30:47 PM
I think BC's QB position will be fine. He mite have a rough start like Lulay did, but the kids has all the tools.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on January 26, 2022, 11:08:27 AM
Uh-huh.....a Canadian QB?.  About as much chance of having an above freezing day in Winnipeg between Dec 25 -Feb. 28

Sure the kid wil show spurts of exceptional,play, but not sustainable.
But if he has the. Arm strngth and can read and has escapeability...sure.
I seem to remember that when he played, he would make bad decisions in the crunch.

Probably dozens of American QBs who are better at that than him, that don't try the NFL.....and some are playing in the CFL!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 26, 2022, 05:32:21 PM
Rourke might develop into a good QB but it's early days and he's only started a couple of games. He's still under contract so I don't see the Lions anointing him # 1 and giving him a new contract with a starters salary. Extend him, give him a raise etc but he's not a $300K+ QB today.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 26, 2022, 05:41:53 PM
Rourke might develop into a good QB but it's early days and he's only started a couple of games. He's still under contract so I don't see the Lions anointing him # 1 and giving him a new contract with a starters salary. Extend him, give him a raise etc but he's not a $300K+ QB today.

I want to see BC competitive again, it pains me to see such a good franchise flounder, ever since the demise of Travis Lulay they've been struggling.  They have too much on the line this season to gamble on Rourke, it will be a miracle if they make the playoffs regardless of who their QB is.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 26, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
I want to see BC competitive again, it pains me to see such a good franchise flounder, ever since the demise of Travis Lulay they've been struggling.  They have too much on the line this season to gamble on Rourke, it will be a miracle if they make the playoffs regardless of who their QB is.

Aside from the QB position it will depend on how well and wisely they spend in free agency. Living in Vancouver I want to see them competitive again as well. That said it's very early and we'll have to see how free agency goes across the CFL. Teams will have losses and gains within their roster.

The Lions freed up some big SMS money with Reilly retiring and Durant being released.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 26, 2022, 09:07:46 PM
Jorden back with the Stamps.

Muamba staying with the Argo's.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 26, 2022, 09:43:11 PM
OMG, is it April  1st?  3downnation is reporting that Chris Jones just signed Manny Arcenaux, Adarius Bowman and Caleb Holley.

I though talking to Duron Carter was weird, but this is nuts.  He clearly hasn't scouted anyone since he left Sask, and has the hubris to think time stands still.  Edmonton is going to be a colossal train wreck...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 26, 2022, 09:51:36 PM
Major signing: Montreal signs Dante Absher to a 1 year deal.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 26, 2022, 09:57:28 PM
OMG, is it April  1st?  3downnation is reporting that Chris Jones just signed Manny Arcenaux, Adarius Bowman and Caleb Holley.

I though talking to Duron Carter was weird, but this is nuts.  He clearly hasn't scouted anyone since he left Sask, and has the hubris to think time stands still.  Edmonton is going to be a colossal train wreck...

It's going to be interesting year in Edmonton.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 26, 2022, 11:27:15 PM
Major signing: Montreal signs Dante Absher to a 1 year deal.
who?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: road griller on January 27, 2022, 12:01:08 AM
Is the Manny Show going to bring the ?Big Play Chain? out of retirement...?  And Butterfingers Bowman?  Not sure what to say.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 27, 2022, 01:22:58 AM
who?

That's why it's a major signing. lol


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on January 27, 2022, 01:30:05 AM
OMG, is it April  1st?  3downnation is reporting that Chris Jones just signed Manny Arcenaux, Adarius Bowman and Caleb Holley.

I though talking to Duron Carter was weird, but this is nuts.  He clearly hasn't scouted anyone since he left Sask, and has the hubris to think time stands still.  Edmonton is going to be a colossal train wreck...
I my gosh, as much as I hate Edmonton, I actually feel sorry for them, they are truly an embarrassment. Bowman was completely finished years ago, ditto manny. And they are actually paying Jones to do this to them!!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on January 27, 2022, 01:37:09 PM
Uh-huh.....a Canadian QB?.  About as much chance of having an above freezing day in Winnipeg between Dec 25 -Feb. 28

Sure the kid wil show spurts of exceptional,play, but not sustainable.
But if he has the. Arm strngth and can read and has escapeability...sure.
I seem to remember that when he played, he would make bad decisions in the crunch.

Probably dozens of American QBs who are better at that than him, that don't try the NFL.....and some are playing in the CFL!

No, when he played he got better as the game went on.  What I have a problem with is teams signing veteran QBs, giving them the starting job and then realizing there is a reason their former team didn't resign them. 

Rourke, has the arm strength, accuracy, decision making, mobility and size to be a successful QB in this league.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on January 27, 2022, 02:38:02 PM
No, when he played he got better as the game went on.  What I have a problem with is teams signing veteran QBs, giving them the starting job and then realizing there is a reason their former team didn't resign them. 

Rourke, has the arm strength, accuracy, decision making, mobility and size to be a successful QB in this league.

Totally, but there's a lot of built in risk to make Rourke your plan for the position next year. If he flounders, it could be a lost season in BC. The reason why you have a veteran around is he's capable of salvaging some hope of a season if things go off the rails. We've all seen enough Alex Brink, Joey Elliott, Max Hall, Steven Jyles plans to know that handing it over to a young, unproven guy who has a lot of potential can often explode very quickly.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 27, 2022, 03:05:55 PM
So, Jones is making a Cup run... for 2016... wants the Elks to go "Back to Back"...

I get bringing in character guys, veteran respect, and that they are on contracts that probably pay them zero unless they make the team (which they likely wont), but really?

Jones is making it look like a joke.  Unless these guys are at league min, set to play a limited number of downs as the 4th or 5th receiver,  this is just another "Look at me, I'm a supergenius" moment for Chris Jones. 

Of all the surprising moves we expected Jones would try... this is definitely not one...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 27, 2022, 05:01:33 PM
Totally, but there's a lot of built in risk to make Rourke your plan for the position next year. If he flounders, it could be a lost season in BC. The reason why you have a veteran around is he's capable of salvaging some hope of a season if things go off the rails. We've all seen enough Alex Brink, Joey Elliott, Max Hall, Steven Jyles plans to know that handing it over to a young, unproven guy who has a lot of potential can often explode very quickly.

Here's another good example.

2009
Mike Kelly
Stefan LeFor
7-11


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 27, 2022, 05:05:07 PM
Here's another good example.

[redacted]

We don't talk about Bruno.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on January 27, 2022, 05:25:45 PM
Totally, but there's a lot of built in risk to make Rourke your plan for the position next year. If he flounders, it could be a lost season in BC. The reason why you have a veteran around is he's capable of salvaging some hope of a season if things go off the rails. We've all seen enough Alex Brink, Joey Elliott, Max Hall, Steven Jyles plans to know that handing it over to a young, unproven guy who has a lot of potential can often explode very quickly.

Understandable, he may have growing pains.  Building a football can take up ro 3 years, before you start seeing results.  If the Lions cut Chungh, use that money on better quality Oline and Dlineman, they might be further along in the rebuild.

The think is, do you bring in a veteran and hand him the starting job and hope they don't stink up the joint or play the you guy, let him make mistakes and hope he learns from those mistakes.

One problem with the CFL, is we recycle QBs way too often.  I guess it happens in the NFL, but they're also more likely to give a young guy a shot.

The Lions have some good pieces

Linebacking corps
Secondary
Young recievers
Young QB

If they fill in those other holes on their roster, they will be a team to contend.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 27, 2022, 06:58:09 PM
Not unexpectedly, Brandon Banks and the Ti-Cats have parted ways. At 34 years old, SMS and some injury history his CFL days may be done.

Unless we lose Grant and Banks can come cheap as returner / receiver I'd pass.  Even then, I'd prefer bringing back Nelson and a dozen rookies to find a new player for that role. All that applies only if we lose Grant.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GCn19 on January 27, 2022, 07:08:46 PM
Here's another good example.

2009
Mike Kelly
Stefan LeFor
7-11

In Lefors defence, Mike Kelly made the inexplicable decision that no QB of his would ever operate out of the shotgun and then promptly dismantled the Bombers OL to the point that they couldn't provide sight line for him down field and the poor guy had a millisecond to make his read and throw or he would be sacked. It was maybe the stupidest and most non-sensical coaching decision I can remember in modern football history. When your interior OL is not strong is what the shotgun was invented for.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 27, 2022, 08:56:46 PM
Elks released 10 players including 5 from the active roster. Mincy seems like a bit of a surprise though. He suffered an injury in 2021 which may be an issue?

Either way, lots of changes in Edmonton and decisions being made prior to free agency. I expect the Elks may be looking to find players in the 1st couple of days.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 27, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Elks released 10 players including 5 from the active roster. Mincy seems like a bit of a surprise though. He suffered an injury in 2021 which may be an issue?

Either way, lots of changes in Edmonton and decisions being made prior to free agency. I expect the Elks may be looking to find players in the 1st couple of days.
Not sure but if Mincy is healthy, could be a nice addition


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 27, 2022, 10:21:05 PM
Not sure but if Mincy is healthy, could be a nice addition

Like everything else it depends on what the team knows about which of our DB's is probable to return. The flip side is Mincy's status even if we know we're going to lose some of our players. It could be injury recovery related or perhaps even a non vax question.

There are a few good DB's on the top 30 list that might be available if we need to find one. That need might only exist if we lose a couple more of our secondary besides Alford.

If we get back Rose, Alexander and Taylor as well as Darby at SAM then 1 rookie not so bad and we don't need to spend big $$ in free agency. Lose 2 of those 4 and it's an area we might spend on a free agent.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 27, 2022, 10:48:05 PM
Elks released 10 players including 5 from the active roster. Mincy seems like a bit of a surprise though. He suffered an injury in 2021 which may be an issue?

Either way, lots of changes in Edmonton and decisions being made prior to free agency. I expect the Elks may be looking to find players in the 1st couple of days.

Mostly a bunch of no-names, exceptions being Mincy and Hugh O'Neill aka Hobo Kicker.

FROM ACTIVE ROSTER:
Nate Anderson | NAT | DL | 6?4 | 250 LBS | 1997-05-06 (24) | Toronto, ON | Missouri
Tyler Higby | AMER | OL | 6?5 | 300 LBS | 1997-01-26 (25) | Houston, TX | Michigan State
Jonathon Mincy | AMER | DB | 5?10 | 196 LBS | 1992-09-05 (29) | Decatur, GA | Auburn
Hugh O?Neill | NAT | K | 6?2 | 185 LBS | 1990-01-20 (32) | Edmonton, AB | Alberta
De?Ondre Wesley | AMER | OL | 6?7 | 330 LBS | 1992-07-28 (29) | Antioch, CA | BYU

FROM SUSPENDED LIST:
Darrell Brown | AMER | OL | 6?4 | 315 LBS | 1993-12-21 (28) | Abilene, TX | Louisiana Tech
Tarean Folston | AMER | RB | 5?10 | 214 LBS | 1995-01-11 (27) | Cocoa, FL | Notre Dame
J.J. Jones | AMER | WR | 5?10 | 173 LBS | 1992-12-06 (29) | Myrtle Beach, SC | North Carolina
Debione Renfro | AMER | DB | 6?2 | 195 LBS | 1999-01-19 (23) | Pearland, TX | Texas A&M
Albert Smalls | AMER | DB | 6?1 | 207 LBS | 1996-08-03 (25) | Miramar, FL | Northern Illinois


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on January 28, 2022, 03:24:34 AM
Devonte Dedmon, released by Ottawa Redblacks to pursue NFL opportunities. (Miami Dolphins)


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on January 28, 2022, 03:26:23 AM
Devonte Dedmon, released by Ottawa Redblacks to pursue NFL opportunities.
huge potential loss for them


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 28, 2022, 11:53:36 AM
huge potential loss for them

Their only watchable player.

Gonna be a long road to respectability for them.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 28, 2022, 03:08:01 PM
Their only watchable player.

Gonna be a long road to respectability for them.

They managed to make it to repectability quick when they joined the league, and in a "one year contract" marketplace, no reason you can't repeat that.  Just have to have a culture to sell (like we do) and a few core players to build around... tough on a GM, but not impossible.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Waffler on January 28, 2022, 03:35:06 PM
Here's another good example.

2009
Mike Kelly
Stefan LeFor
7-11

Most of those games were Bishop's and he played with a hamstring the entire time. Bowman and Ralph dropping everything. 

I am thinking BC is ok to rebuild this year, possibly make the playoffs but setting the table for a solid team going forward. They are not close enough to have a hired gun QB. Seems they been there and done that.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 28, 2022, 03:44:39 PM
Most of those games were Bishop's and he played with a hamstring the entire time. Bowman and Ralph dropping everything. 

I am thinking BC is ok to rebuild this year, possibly make the playoffs but setting the table for a solid team going forward. They are not close enough to have a hired gun QB. Seems they been there and done that.

BC still has to sigh their Oline... which if they don't get a good one, Rourke's career will be short.

Ott needs to make a couple splashes in FA, especially at QB... losing Dedmon hurts bad.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 28, 2022, 04:30:16 PM
BC re-signs Burnham. That's both good and bad news for the Bombers. The good news is that if Lawler returns to the CFL then Vancouver is one less option for him to consider. The bad news is that he may not return to the CFL and the Bombers have one less option as an immediate replacement.

I suppose the same applies for Bailey although IMO he'll be returning to Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 28, 2022, 04:47:36 PM
BC re-signs Burnham. That's both good and bad news for the Bombers. The good news is that if Lawler returns to the CFL then Vancouver is one less option for him to consider. The bad news is that he may not return to the CFL and the Bombers have one less option as an immediate replacement.

I suppose the same applies for Bailey although IMO he'll be returning to Winnipeg.

It was silly to expect Burnham to come here anyway.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 28, 2022, 05:37:50 PM
It was silly to expect Burnham to come here anyway.

Not really. If the Lions choose to not pay his SMS demands after re-signing Whitehead, then there are only 8 other teams. Not every team has receiver needs. Edmonton, Calgary and Regina seem to have many of their receivers re-signed.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 28, 2022, 06:40:24 PM
Not really. If the Lions choose to not pay his SMS demands after re-signing Whitehead, then there are only 8 other teams. Not every team has receiver needs. Edmonton, Calgary and Regina seem to have many of their receivers re-signed.

We've done this dance every time his contract has been up since Walters has been our GM. Walters himself has said we've built our lines from the lines out and that we're going to see savings at the receiver position. If we see a FA reciever, it's going to be a on a bargain deal, not the potential 180k that Burnham signed for.

I thought we'd get him the last time around, but I do not see how it would have fit in this off season.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 28, 2022, 06:42:21 PM
It was silly to expect Burnham to come here anyway.

Silly might be a stretch, but it was a long shot for sure.  Burnham has been with the same team 8 years and was already making the good coin. He wouldn?t be in a hurry to leave unless they really lowballed him.  With the cap relief from Reilly, that became a non-issue.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on January 28, 2022, 08:08:32 PM
So, Jones is making a Cup run... for 2016... wants the Elks to go "Back to Back"...

I get bringing in character guys, veteran respect, and that they are on contracts that probably pay them zero unless they make the team (which they likely wont), but really?

Jones is making it look like a joke.  Unless these guys are at league min, set to play a limited number of downs as the 4th or 5th receiver,  this is just another "Look at me, I'm a supergenius" moment for Chris Jones. 

Of all the surprising moves we expected Jones would try... this is definitely not one...


Maybe he wants to be Mad Doc Brown from Back to the Future! Does Chris Jones drive a DeLorean?! ;)


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 28, 2022, 08:32:33 PM
We've done this dance every time his contract has been up since Walters has been our GM. Walters himself has said we've built our lines from the lines out and that we're going to see savings at the receiver position. If we see a FA reciever, it's going to be a on a bargain deal, not the potential 180k that Burnham signed for.

I thought we'd get him the last time around, but I do not see how it would have fit in this off season.

That was when he was their # 1 receiver and that isn't necessarily true any longer.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on January 28, 2022, 08:55:42 PM
Silly might be a stretch, but it was a long shot for sure.  Burnham has been with the same team 8 years and was already making the good coin. He wouldn?t be in a hurry to leave unless they really lowballed him.  With the cap relief from Reilly, that became a non-issue.

I say silly because it didn?t make sense for either side. We can?t afford him and he doesn?t want to leave BC.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 29, 2022, 06:23:52 PM
Understandable, he may have growing pains.  Building a football can take up ro 3 years, before you start seeing results.  If the Lions cut Chungh, use that money on better quality Oline and Dlineman, they might be further along in the rebuild.

The think is, do you bring in a veteran and hand him the starting job and hope they don't stink up the joint or play the you guy, let him make mistakes and hope he learns from those mistakes.

One problem with the CFL, is we recycle QBs way too often.  I guess it happens in the NFL, but they're also more likely to give a young guy a shot.

The Lions have some good pieces

Linebacking corps
Secondary
Young recievers
Young QB

If they fill in those other holes on their roster, they will be a team to contend.

BC re-signed Chungh in Dec... so cutting him is not in the plans, plus he's only one of two Oline starters from last year they have under contract...

BC has most of thier D starters from last year back... other than Peters and Bazzie.  Not saying much, their D was in the bottom half of the league for the most part, last in sacks.  Maybe Ryan Phillips is the answer to getting more out of them...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 29, 2022, 07:17:03 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national kicker Brett Lauther to a two-year contract extension.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dizzycamper on January 29, 2022, 07:21:33 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national kicker Brett Lauther to a two-year contract extension.

Not surprising as they are hoping to be in the Gray Cup... This signing was key for them.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 29, 2022, 07:27:05 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national kicker Brett Lauther to a two-year contract extension.

Bastages.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 29, 2022, 08:02:06 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national kicker Brett Lauther to a two-year contract extension.

Wonder how much they overpaid him to stop him from talking to any other teams....


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 29, 2022, 08:08:57 PM
So what is overpaid?

As Bomber fans we all know how much frustration a crappy can cause.

I am going to go with $120K.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 29, 2022, 11:07:38 PM
Wonder how much they overpaid him to stop him from talking to any other teams....

Didn't we pay Medlock $180K in 2019 and he's an import. I doubt Lauther got that much but he probably wasn't cheap either. Bombers were paying Castillo $7K per game at the end of last year. It wasn't a full season but cheap as an end of season rental.

Getting Castillo back in 2022 would be a good plan but IMO we won't be able to afford him. Hopes may rest on Mourtada on his ELC and Liegghio.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on January 30, 2022, 10:35:56 PM
Shiltz is apparently going to hit the market. Not a terrible backup option


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 30, 2022, 10:58:28 PM
Shiltz is apparently going to hit the market. Not a terrible backup option

Has his eye on BC I would bet.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 31, 2022, 02:54:17 AM
BC has offered Lawler $250k

I guess paying your starting QB $80k on an ELC means you can sped $600k on your 3 receivers...

Can we match $250?  I don't think so...

BC is making some interesting decisions, that's for sure... for a team with 2 of their starting Oline under contract... and no backup QB...  prioritizing another top WR seems whack.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pete on January 31, 2022, 03:09:20 AM
Not sure I believe that offer. Time  to look at Wienike
 or Ellingson/Walker.  If the offer is even
close BC is basically paying for three 1000 yard receivers (including Whitehead and Burnam).Even with Rielly they never came close to that.     
Also wonder how this sits with Burnam who just signed for 165k


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2022, 03:42:45 AM
Shiltz is apparently going to hit the market. Not a terrible backup option

He would be a nice backup for ZC8.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 31, 2022, 03:43:45 AM
Not sure I believe that offer. Time  to look at Wienike
 or Ellingson/Walker.  If the offer is even
close BC is basically paying for three 1000 yard receivers (including Whitehead and Burnam).Even with Rielly they never came close to that.     
Also wonder how this sits with Burnam who just signed for 165k


Have to wonder if a top receiver wants a job on a team with 2 other top receivers, sharing targets from a 2nd year Canadian QB making $80k...  

Could kill his stats for future deals....



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on January 31, 2022, 03:48:41 AM
Have to wonder if a top receiver wants a job on a team with 2 other top receivers, sharing targets from a 2nd year Canadian QB making $80k...  

Could kill his stats for future deals....



No one has to wonder, Lawler is as good as gone.  I think this means we can give Bailey a decent raise and go after someone like Acklin, Derel Walker, Ambles, or Ricky Collins to fill the gap.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2022, 03:50:56 AM
I figured they would have spent there money on OL, like BC born Couture.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: theaardvark on January 31, 2022, 04:03:44 AM
MBT back in double blue...


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2022, 06:34:49 AM
Not sure I believe that offer. Time  to look at Wienike
 or Ellingson/Walker.  If the offer is even
close BC is basically paying for three 1000 yard receivers (including Whitehead and Burnam).Even with Rielly they never came close to that.     
Also wonder how this sits with Burnam who just signed for 165k


BC also signed Rhymes to an extension.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 31, 2022, 12:16:47 PM
BC has offered Lawler $250k

I guess paying your starting QB $80k on an ELC means you can sped $600k on your 3 receivers...

Can we match $250?  I don't think so...

BC is making some interesting decisions, that's for sure... for a team with 2 of their starting Oline under contract... and no backup QB...  prioritizing another top WR seems whack.

I can't see Winnipeg wanting to match $250K, not enough money left in the BB kitty.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on January 31, 2022, 12:35:38 PM
IF true at $250 we can't keep everyone, it was great watching Lawler but that's the reality of having a team full of all stars they get paid and any team only has so much money to go around.

Bc went into the deep end to get a star Qb and flopped, now they seem hell bent on star receivers.....good luck IMO it will again be a flop..games are won and lost along the lines, and well BC along the lines is simply not very good.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on January 31, 2022, 04:42:02 PM
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Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on January 31, 2022, 04:47:51 PM
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Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2022, 05:19:13 PM
BC also signed Rhymes to an extension.

Rhymes would not have come cheap either as he is considered a top end receiver, I would guess he signed for at least $170,000.

Lawler offer if true is beyond stupid, either the new owner has advised GM Neil McEvoy to ignore salary cap or they're headed back into the weeds.  Even without Reilly they still have to sign a vet. QB to back Rourke up, which will cost them North of $300,000 unless they go after Schiltz, I guess.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
Rhymes would not have come cheap either as he is considered a top end receiver, I would guess he signed for at least $170,000.

Lawler offer if true is beyond stupid, either the new owner has advised GM Neil McEvoy to ignore salary cap or they're headed back into the weeds.  Even without Reilly they still have to sign a vet. QB to back Rourke up, which will cost them North of $300,000 unless they go after Schiltz, I guess.

What QB? MBT has signed in Toronto. That leaves Masoli or Harris. If either wants to start they'll be off to Ottawa. Is there another QB that could possibly command $300K?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2022, 06:41:37 PM
What QB? MBT has signed in Toronto. That leaves Masoli or Harris. If either wants to start they'll be off to Ottawa. Is there another QB that could possibly command $300K?

No, I was referring to Harris, I think the RB's will sign Masoli.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on January 31, 2022, 06:57:30 PM
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed national defensive back Godfrey Onyeka and national wide receiver Mitch Picton to contract extensions.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2022, 09:59:04 PM
No, I was referring to Harris, I think the RB's will sign Masoli.

Harris may end up in BC but the Lions aren't going to pay him $300K to be # 2. Masoli should have an idea whether the Redblacks have put in an offer and how he feels about it.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2022, 10:27:01 PM
Harris may end up in BC but the Lions aren't going to pay him $300K to be # 2. Masoli should have an idea whether the Redblacks have put in an offer and how he feels about it.

I just can't see Harris remaining #2 for very long in that situation, I believe Rourke has played a total of one good game so far.  I can accept a miracle but I'd rather wait until Rourke plays 6 games before approving.  I'm beginning to doubt Rick Campbell's sanity.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on January 31, 2022, 10:45:35 PM
I just can't see Harris remaining #2 for very long in that situation, I believe Rourke has played a total of one good game so far.  I can accept a miracle but I'd rather wait until Rourke plays 6 games before approving.  I'm beginning to doubt Rick Campbell's sanity.

I could believe that eventuality. It does make me wonder Harris hasn't signed somewhere as his options are disappearing. He's a week away from Masoli having a shot in BC.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 31, 2022, 11:34:55 PM
I could believe that eventuality. It does make me wonder Harris hasn't signed somewhere as his options are disappearing. He's a week away from Masoli having a shot in BC.

Probably no teams willing to commit to Harris at this point, until all cards are played there are too many moving parts to predict how things shake out.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 07, 2022, 06:12:25 PM
Sadly, Harris has maybe played himself out of the league.
BC needs a QB.  Maybe Rielly un- retires.  Did the Lions do enough to protect any QB.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 08:11:05 PM
Sadly, Harris has maybe played himself out of the league.
BC needs a QB.  Maybe Rielly un- retires.  Did the Lions do enough to protect any QB.



I don't know if Harris had offers anywhere or not. However now that Masoli has gone to Ottawa, his options to start are extremely limited. His value may have plummeted to accepting a role as a # 2 QB this season.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 08:12:03 PM
I don't know if Harris had offers anywhere or not. However now that Masoli has gone to Ottawa, his options to start are extremely limited. His value may have plummeted to accepting a role as a # 2 QB this season.

Probably makes more sense for him to sit out until there's an injury.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 08:16:31 PM
Probably makes more sense for him to sit out until there's an injury.

Each team will have a QB on their PR. If they aren't comfortable with that plan they should be making an offer in the next couple of days. Waiting for an injury and then expecting to step in and learn an offence quickly is not the best plan.

There will be a few other QB's which might also be available at that time as short term rentals


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Jesse on February 07, 2022, 08:23:01 PM
Each team will have a QB on their PR. If they aren't comfortable with that plan they should be making an offer in the next couple of days. Waiting for an injury and then expecting to step in and learn an offence quickly is not the best plan.

There will be a few other QB's which might also be available at that time as short term rentals

Happens all the time. He can sign for back-up money now, or wait for an (inevitable) injury and sign for starter money.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Blue In BC on February 07, 2022, 09:38:16 PM
Happens all the time. He can sign for back-up money now, or wait for an (inevitable) injury and sign for starter money.

Injuries happen all the time but the QB's signed in those situations mostly become the # 3 QB and not the # 2 QB. Unless the # 1 QB is injured long term. Even then, not being on a roster and having to get up to game speed quickly is iffy. Possible but not probable IMO.

His best option is to sign as a # 2 QB somewhere.



Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ModAdmin on February 07, 2022, 10:59:17 PM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
1h
Hearing that former @Wpg_BlueBombers
 WR Kenny Lawler has made his commitment to the @elks
 At $300k, he becomes the @CFL's highest paid receiver.#CFL #Elks


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: dd on February 08, 2022, 12:09:18 AM
Trevor Harris will surface on some teams roster some time during this season. Last season BLM, Arbuckle, Evans, Masoli, Nichols, Davis and Adams all got injured. That?s 7 Qbs. He?s 1 hit away from starting as he?s better than any teams backup Qb, our team included.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: ichabod_crane on February 08, 2022, 01:33:55 AM
Happens all the time. He can sign for back-up money now, or wait for an (inevitable) injury and sign for starter money.

Best not to be out of sight for too long as you may never be in sight again. At some point for older QB's you need to accept the backup/mentor role. With injuries you are always one play away from starting though. Bombers could use him if he comes in at a normal backup QB rate. BC can't be relying on an unproven Canadian QB either so BC seems more likely than anywhere he should go. Sask and Toronto have no decent backup QB that I know of either.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 08, 2022, 02:10:55 AM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
1h
Hearing that former @Wpg_BlueBombers
 WR Kenny Lawler has made his commitment to the @elks
 At $300k, he becomes the @CFL's highest paid receiver.#CFL #Elks
A pity dude goes away. Give the guy a chance succeed within a great culture despite personnel demons and screws off after 1 great season. Bloody pity no loyalty.
Wouldn?t the surprised to see him face plant else where.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: the paw on February 08, 2022, 02:49:08 AM
A pity dude goes away. Give the guy a chance succeed within a great culture despite personnel demons and screws off after 1 great season. Bloody pity no loyalty.
Wouldn?t the surprised to see him face plant else where.

Don't be bitter.  Last year at $93k pro-rated, he was underpaid for leading the league.  The WBB didn't restructure his contract upwards.  The pendulum swings both ways, can't blame the man for getting paid.  You might be able to expect to get a bit of a loyalty discount, but I don't think we would have matched BC offer of $250k never mind $300k.  That is a bridge too far.....


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Horseman on February 08, 2022, 03:38:41 AM
Don't be bitter.  Last year at $93k pro-rated, he was underpaid for leading the league.  The WBB didn't restructure his contract upwards.  The pendulum swings both ways, can't blame the man for getting paid.  You might be able to expect to get a bit of a loyalty discount, but I don't think we would have matched BC offer of $250k never mind $300k.  That is a bridge too far.....

Yes, I agree, can't begrudge Lawler for signing with another team for $300K, good for him! As they say football is a business.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 03:44:05 AM
Dave Naylor
@TSNDaveNaylor
1h
Hearing that former @Wpg_BlueBombers
 WR Kenny Lawler has made his commitment to the @elks
 At $300k, he becomes the @CFL's highest paid receiver.#CFL #Elks

I wouldn't think the Bombers are anywhere near this offer. $300K, can't blame the guy for take the money.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 08, 2022, 03:58:12 AM
Don't be bitter.  Last year at $93k pro-rated, he was underpaid for leading the league.  The WBB didn't restructure his contract upwards.  The pendulum swings both ways, can't blame the man for getting paid.  You might be able to expect to get a bit of a loyalty discount, but I don't think we would have matched BC offer of $250k never mind $300k.  That is a bridge too far.....
I don?t need to to like and I don?t. Whatever I hope we squash the the Deers if they get Lawless.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 08, 2022, 09:40:44 AM
Didn't they sign Walker also.?
How do they afford two stupidly paid guys?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: Ridermania on February 08, 2022, 11:04:09 AM
Patrick Levels to the REDBLACKS.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 08, 2022, 11:07:29 AM
What's a Patrick Levels?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on February 08, 2022, 04:37:28 PM
A pity dude goes away. Give the guy a chance succeed within a great culture despite personnel demons and screws off after 1 great season. Bloody pity no loyalty.
Wouldn?t the surprised to see him face plant else where.
Yikes.


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 08, 2022, 05:53:48 PM
Yikes.
LOL


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: kkc60 on February 08, 2022, 05:55:59 PM
LOL
Like...was he supposed to take a pay cut to save your feelings?


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on February 08, 2022, 09:57:47 PM
Like...was he supposed to take a pay cut to save your feelings?
yes! No one likes a sad Goldie!


Title: Re: Off Season Player Signings - Teams Other than the Bombers
Post by: DM83 on February 09, 2022, 07:46:33 PM
Arbucle is the Elks QB right?