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Title: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: ModAdmin on December 11, 2021, 05:42:23 AM
Two championships in a row?  This is the best Blue Bomber teams in years.   Even without Mike Jones, they are as ready and healthy as a team can be going into this game.  Talent, focus and execution will be crucial and the Bombers should have it should prevail.

Grey Cup Hits

Quick hits from Thursday here in Hamilton at the 108th Grey Cup as the Blue Bombers continued preparations for Sunday's championship against the Tiger-Cats...

1. INJURY REPORT: The Bombers held a closed-to-the-media practice at McMaster University on Thursday and then had 24 players and coaches available for the Grey Cup Media Day.

Of note, both RB Andrew Harris (knee) and DB Mike Jones (knee) were non-participants. Harris was part of the media day, FYI, and left no indication he would not play on Sunday.

2. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL WORK...:
No introduction needed. Watch this:

https://twitter.com/Wpg_BlueBombers/status/1469126188958367748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1469126188958367748%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bluebombers.com%2F2021%2F12%2F09%2Fgrey-cup-hits-thursday%2F

And there's more here. (http://www.bluebombers.com/2021/12/09/grey-cup-hits-thursday/)

In: #67 Kolankowski, #25 Miller, J.

Out: #65 Eli, #16 Jones

Blue Bomber Depth Chart below:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGVhcZ7XsAMuwlG?format=jpg&name=large


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 11, 2021, 04:14:38 PM
Ted Laurent officially out for Hamilton.

https://cdn.ticats.ca/app/uploads/ticats/2021/12/11103151/Flip_December-12_108-Grey-Cup.pdf


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 11, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
Ted Laurent officially out for Hamilton.

https://cdn.ticats.ca/app/uploads/ticats/2021/12/11103151/Flip_December-12_108-Grey-Cup.pdf

Huge loss for the Ti-Cats. Ratio breaker and a key piece of that front seven.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 11, 2021, 05:17:13 PM
Huge loss for the Ti-Cats. Ratio breaker and a key piece of that front seven.
oh ya you sometimes forget he is Canadian. Huge loss that way as well.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on December 11, 2021, 05:32:27 PM
I don't follow them closely enough to recognize who they swapped out for the loss of a Canadian spot. Could someone with better knowledge point that out. It appears they are replacing him with an American...thanks


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 11, 2021, 05:38:16 PM
I don't follow them closely enough to recognize who they swapped out for the loss of a Canadian spot. Could someone with better knowledge point that out. It appears they are replacing him with an American...thanks

Basically a first year practice roster player. Lee Autry III draws in. Has dressed for four games and started two. The Ticats allowed 6.2 yards per carry when Laurent was injured and 3.8 yards per carry when he was healthy.

https://www.tsn.ca/rookie-defensive-tackle-lee-autry-to-start-for-ted-laurent-in-sunday-s-grey-cup-1.1733490

https://3downnation.com/2021/12/11/why-the-ticats-are-in-big-trouble-with-ted-laurent-out-for-grey-cup/


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on December 11, 2021, 05:41:24 PM
Basically a first year practice roster player. Lee Autry III draws in. Has dressed for four games and started two.

https://www.tsn.ca/rookie-defensive-tackle-lee-autry-to-start-for-ted-laurent-in-sunday-s-grey-cup-1.1733490

Thanks...I saw his name but it shows him as an import...how is Ham. handling the ratio loss on the roster?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 11, 2021, 05:47:31 PM
Thanks...I saw his name but it shows him as an import...how is Ham. handling the ratio loss on the roster?

They moved Adeleke, their starting Canadian safety, over to half back and are starting Katsantonis at safety, Hamilton's fourth round selection from 2020. Has played in 14 games this year although I think mostly in a special teams role.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on December 11, 2021, 05:50:45 PM
Thanks again....So they are potentially weaker at DT, and safety. Assuming that Adeleke is at least on par with the American he is replacing at half.

3 changes forced and a relatively green safety playing in the biggest game of the year, shows just how important CDN depth is.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 11, 2021, 06:01:49 PM
The Bombers are the superior team, but, it is only 1 game, the Bombers need to play like they can and have shown all year, except for the bad weather game in the WF. Limit the turn overs, receivers protect the ball as Hamilton defenders will be trying to pull it out, successfully run the ball with no Ted Laurent and we win the game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 11, 2021, 06:07:03 PM
The weather in Hamilton on GC Sunday at Kickoff will be: +4, clear, wind 26km/h from the SW, by the end of the game around 9pm Hamilton time will be +5.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 11, 2021, 07:43:49 PM
Losing Laurent and Lawrence is going to hurt the Ti-Cats. That's another advantage for the Bombers.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 11, 2021, 07:57:15 PM
Losing Laurent and Lawrence is going to hurt the Ti-Cats. That's another advantage for the Bombers.

What did I miss, is Simoni Lawrence out?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 11, 2021, 08:05:02 PM
Losing Laurent and Lawrence is going to hurt the Ti-Cats. That's another advantage for the Bombers.
WHAT? Lawrence out?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: ModAdmin on December 11, 2021, 08:11:41 PM
What did I miss, is Simoni Lawrence out?

Desmond Lawrence DB out/injured.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 11, 2021, 08:26:36 PM
Desmond Lawrence DB out/injured.
Ah thanks lol


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 11, 2021, 10:02:18 PM
Losing Laurent would be like us losing Jeffcoat or Bighill.  He's that important to that D, esp being a NAT.  This is very bad luck for HAM, and hurts them a lot.  I almost feel sorry for them, and this gives them an excuse if they lose.  (Don't feel sorry for Laurent, he's a nasty player.)

I do think this is a great opportunity for Adeleke.  I think the kid is ready.  Coach O obviously thinks he's ready.  What DB lost out in the shuffle?  Clearly they sacrificed an IMP in the DB unit.  Do we pick on Adeleke?  I bet yes.  Will it work?  We will see!  That strong side is the favorite of Zach.

P.S. Sarah looking good on the field in HAM in the Sat walk-thru shows.  +16C there!  Wow!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 11, 2021, 10:21:52 PM
Losing Laurent would be like us losing Jeffcoat or Bighill.  He's that important to that D, esp being a NAT.  This is very bad luck for HAM, and hurts them a lot.  I almost feel sorry for them, and this gives them an excuse if they lose.  (Don't feel sorry for Laurent, he's a nasty player.)

I do think this is a great opportunity for Adeleke.  I think the kid is ready.  Coach O obviously thinks he's ready.  What DB lost out in the shuffle?  Clearly they sacrificed an IMP in the DB unit.  Do we pick on Adeleke?  I bet yes.  Will it work?  We will see!  That strong side is the favorite of Zach.

P.S. Sarah looking good on the field in HAM in the Sat walk-thru shows.  +16C there!  Wow!

no it would D like losing Stove but Stove is Canadian


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 11, 2021, 10:22:15 PM
Us losing M.Jones is a bummer.  Did anyone catch when he got injured in the WDF?  This means we do less spells / substitutions in the DB unit.  Our guys will have to be solid all game.

Miller as the depth?  Ugh.  That's the best we have after Jones?  Ugh.  Praise KW for getting Rose back!  He literally just saved our lives.

Our DL depth is insanely good, though.  No weak links there.  We can sub in at will to stay fresh.

Overall, looking pretty good.  HAM is the one with the real injury problems.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 11, 2021, 10:27:49 PM
no it would D like losing Stove but Stove is Canadian

I still think Laurent is more integral to Cats D than Stove is to WPG D.  I really do liken his level of importance to more like a Jeffcoat.  Yes, a lot of that has to do with Laurent being NAT.  But he is probably as key to that D as Simoni.  Seriously.  He's been there forever, he runs that DL, he's supremely talented and powerful.  I think this really weakens HAM, both in the run stop and the pass rush.

Whoever said this lets AH run all over HAM is right.  Autry isn't going to be enough.  That said, maybe Howsare will stay healthy all game this time and make up part of the difference.  Davis/Howsare/Wynn are not too shabby.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 11, 2021, 10:48:00 PM
I still think Laurent is more integral to Cats D than Stove is to WPG D.  I really do liken his level of importance to more like a Jeffcoat.  Yes, a lot of that has to do with Laurent being NAT.  But he is probably as key to that D as Simoni.  Seriously.  He's been there forever, he runs that DL, he's supremely talented and powerful.  I think this really weakens HAM, both in the run stop and the pass rush.

Whoever said this lets AH run all over HAM is right.  Autry isn't going to be enough.  That said, maybe Howsare will stay healthy all game this time and make up part of the difference.  Davis/Howsare/Wynn are not too shabby.

i
I am not disagreeing with you.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 11, 2021, 11:07:49 PM
Making my way through the TSN Saturday grey cup shows on PVR... I really like these shows!  Gets you in the GC mood.

Do we like Bo on the panel??  He does an OK job.  He joked with them about getting a contract... Bo looking to retire??  I could see TSN snapping up Bo as the next panel guy.

Posey gave HAM the slight edge to win.  He outright picked WPG to win in 2019.  But this time he simply says he's giving HAM the "edge".  Basically the reasons we've already talked about here: home, hunger, anger.  I'm glad he didn't say they'll win outright!  Posey & Lemon were the few who picked it correctly in 2019.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 11, 2021, 11:12:32 PM
What are the TSN picks for GC winner?  Can't find a link anywhere.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 11, 2021, 11:15:17 PM
Making my way through the TSN Saturday grey cup shows on PVR... I really like these shows!  Gets you in the GC mood.

Do we like Bo on the panel??  He does an OK job.  He joked with them about getting a contract... Bo looking to retire??  I could see TSN snapping up Bo as the next panel guy.

Posey gave HAM the slight edge to win.  He outright picked WPG to win in 2019.  But this time he simply says he's giving HAM the "edge".  Basically the reasons we've already talked about here: home, hunger, anger.  I'm glad he didn't say they'll win outright!  Posey & Lemon were the few who picked it correctly in 2019.

as soon as he called out Milt he became a loser with his blasted mouth. Not advised if he wants Blue Bomber fans to even consider him.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 11, 2021, 11:16:12 PM
GC Saturday: Insiders saying Coach Orlando likely going to be a U sports DC down in the USA next year for 7 figure salary.  It's a smart move: if he loses the GC he can slink out of town and get his USA payday.  If he wins, he goes out a HAM hero.  This opens up a HC spot for someone new...

Also, Young probably out as DC in TOR.  Do we want him back or are we good?  I don't think Young will have any trouble getting another DC job.  C.Jones blew the EDF... might Young have won?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 12, 2021, 05:40:06 AM
Funny, 2019 we were all talking about what we had to do to beat invincible HAM.  2021 and I don't think anyone is saying anything!  Like no tactics.  No ideas.  All anyone is saying is:

Quote
Just play Bomber ball

Isn't that weird?  We had ideas vs SSK.  But vs HAM, crickets.  I think maybe HAM is just a normal team, with across-the-board good units playing solid ball.  But none stand out, none seem invincible, none need any special play or attention.  It's kind of like the top-shelf Bomber team, but a level (or 3) worse.

The key really is, just play Bomber ball.  Stay even keeled.  Minimize penalties.  Play with more intensity, to compensate for losing the hunger battle.  And let's see a little luck.  For some reason I think our ST coverage/blockers are going to have the most intensity of all units.  Those #2's, NATs and GLOB skew younger and a bit crazier.  I expect to win the ST battle.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on December 12, 2021, 05:52:04 AM
Rest assured with the good quality of coaching in Condell and Steinauer we will see a Ticat team more ready to play against the Bombers this time around. If the Bombers want to win, they will have to play a flawless game. If they play like last week against the Riders, it's going to a Ticat win.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 12, 2021, 06:02:13 AM
Rest assured with the good quality of coaching in Condell and Steinauer we will see a Ticat team more ready to play against the Bombers this time around. If the Bombers want to win, they will have to play a flawless game. If they play like last week against the Riders, it's going to a Ticat win.
thank you for your entries


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 12, 2021, 06:43:43 AM
TSN's top-50 plays show they put out on Saturday pegged that WDF Kenny catch at #24.  You kidding me??  That catch should be top-dozen easily.  Some of the #12-23 plays were not nearly as impressive.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 12, 2021, 06:59:05 AM
Ok, I have 1 idea/tactic, but it's pretty obvious, and every team tries to do it.  But it may be especially effective against HAM:

Stop Don Jackson early.  I think HAM will try to run an abnormally large amount precisely because they aren't usually a run-first team.  But Condell is very impatient.  And he panics way too soon.  If we stop the run like we did against SSK, and we go up by a score, I bet Condell reverts to his 2019 self.

Getting Jackson late in the season always felt like a "see we have a run game too!" fake out.  Jackson is fast, but he's not tough, and will not do well inside the tackles if we prioritize run stop.  And slotting in a new #1 RB late in the season basically never pays off.

So I look forward to us stopping that run.  Will we take extra measures to do this before HAM shows a lot of run?  I doubt it, even though I would.  Make them tip their hand first, then stop the run.  If they start getting a good run game going, must do everything required to shut it down.  Cannot let 1-dimensional HAM get 2-dimensional.  Screw-up Condell will take care of the rest.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blitzer on December 12, 2021, 08:45:30 AM
 I think the Sask game last week is a reminder to the Bombers how quickly things can go wrong. I expect they'll be ready right from the start and pay special attention to holding onto ball. That game was way too close for comfort (to say the least!) but I think it made them a better team.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: PurpleReign on December 12, 2021, 10:52:39 AM
Let?s cut the bull, Bombers in a landslide vs Hamilton. This game is over in the 3rd. Don?t care about last week that game was close because of 6 turnovers or else it was a blow out win for the Bombers.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blitzer on December 12, 2021, 01:42:30 PM
Bombers should win easy (30-16) but if they fumble a lot they should still win but it'll be closer.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 12, 2021, 01:53:29 PM
Losing Laurent would be like us losing Jeffcoat or Bighill.  He's that important to that D, esp being a NAT.  This is very bad luck for HAM, and hurts them a lot.  I almost feel sorry for them, and this gives them an excuse if they lose.  (Don't feel sorry for Laurent, he's a nasty player.)

I do think this is a great opportunity for Adeleke.  I think the kid is ready.  Coach O obviously thinks he's ready.  What DB lost out in the shuffle?  Clearly they sacrificed an IMP in the DB unit.  Do we pick on Adeleke?  I bet yes.  Will it work?  We will see!  That strong side is the favorite of Zach.

P.S. Sarah looking good on the field in HAM in the Sat walk-thru shows.  +16C there!  Wow!


Adeleke at DHB is going to be a weak spot. Putting him there was a necessary ratio flip after losing Laurent. It also weakens their secondary at safety. He's a little shorter and stockier than their injured DB's. IMO he's not as fast or likely to win any 50 / 50 balls. Thats an advantage for Winnipeg. Collaros eyes just got bigger.

Hamilton has also been without Frankie Williams in their secondary and as a returner.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blitzer on December 12, 2021, 02:16:51 PM
Let?s cut the bull, Bombers in a landslide vs Hamilton. This game is over in the 3rd. Don?t care about last week that game was close because of 6 turnovers or else it was a blow out win for the Bombers.

I'm a Bomber fan. If they lose I'm going to be out an awful lot of money. If it's a landslide I'll be jumping for joy.  I hope you're right! Believe me! ;D


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 12, 2021, 02:43:49 PM
Bombers should win, but heck upsets do happen in sports?-remember the miracle on ice, how else do the yanks beat the Russians!?!?

The loss of Laurent if he indeed doesn?t play, will be huge and it will allow our running game to control and then win this game.

Collaros will also show Ticats fans they made a brutal decision dumping him years ago as he crushes them a second time in the big game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
Making my way through the TSN Saturday grey cup shows on PVR... I really like these shows!  Gets you in the GC mood.

Do we like Bo on the panel??  He does an OK job.  He joked with them about getting a contract... Bo looking to retire??  I could see TSN snapping up Bo as the next panel guy.

Posey gave HAM the slight edge to win.  He outright picked WPG to win in 2019.  But this time he simply says he's giving HAM the "edge".  Basically the reasons we've already talked about here: home, hunger, anger.  I'm glad he didn't say they'll win outright!  Posey & Lemon were the few who picked it correctly in 2019.


I actually got teary watching the last five minutes of last years game, a year later. It was awesome.

Something ELSE I noticed was how Bailey?s TD was called back near the end of the game. Compared to the call that went against us last week, I?m definitely confused as to how ?trapping? is called. Bailey definitely had more control than that ridiculously brutal call last week where snow kicked up as the ball was DRAGGED across the turf.

As for Bo, I can?t stand him but have to admit he was pretty decent on the panel. It was funny but cringeworthy when he called out Milt, and would have loved to have seen his face.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 12, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
Bombers should win, but heck upsets do happen in sports?-remember the miracle on ice, how else do the yanks beat the Russians!?!?

The loss of Laurent if he indeed doesn?t play, will be huge and it will allow our running game to control and then win this game.

Collaros will also show Ticats fans they made a brutal decision dumping him years ago as he crushes them a second time in the big game.
th Lauran loss forces in inexperienced Canadian to safety. Could enhance our deep ball prospects. And Adeleke is isolated at the half back spot now so he might not play as big a part in the game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 12, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
The Bombers will be much better prepared mentally and physically for this game than last game. Not playing a meaningful game in 5 weeks is going to impact any team in a negative way, no matter how good they are. The Bombers will play a much cleaner game this time. And we know how good they are. As for Hamilton, at this point, we still don't really know how good (or not that good) they are. Kind of up and down all year and yes, up at the end. But, I think the fiddling around at quarterback this year is not going to serve them well in the end. They do have a couple of significant factors in their favor though, that being motivation and the home crowd. Will that be enough to get by us? We'll see.  If they do manage to beat us, it will be well deserved. I think it's going to be a close and good game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 12, 2021, 05:32:04 PM
Not seeing this as a blowout, but we are the better team. Hamilton will have to play a very good, and hope for some breaks (turnovers), to beat us. Should be a good game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 12, 2021, 05:59:31 PM
Matty D wearing his heart with the sweet Blue and Gold tie for GD. haha sweeeet!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 12, 2021, 07:01:29 PM
Lots of talk about how good the Tc-Cat run defence has been in 2021. Oliveria ran for 126 yards when we played them. 5.7 yards per carry. I'd expect we'll run for well over 100 yards today as well. Good weather and a little windy means the need to run is high. We can do that.


IMO this is not a close game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 12, 2021, 07:34:56 PM
We ran for a total of 149 that night, with ZC8 chipping for for another 23 yards on 3 carriers, the longest which was 18 yards. As we all know ZC8 can run and I expect will today when required. We also didn't run any Jet sweeps that night which is a big go to play for us.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 12, 2021, 07:47:15 PM
We ran for a total of 149 that night, with ZC8 chipping for for another 23 yards on 3 carriers, the longest which was 18 yards. As we all know ZC8 can run and I expect will today when required. We also didn't run any Jet sweeps that night which is a big go to play for us.
Oliveira was player of the week!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 12, 2021, 08:24:35 PM
Gotta hand it to TSN The Jeffs piece was epic.
Both dudes are beasts! :o


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 12, 2021, 08:42:10 PM
We ran for a total of 149 that night, with ZC8 chipping for for another 23 yards on 3 carriers, the longest which was 18 yards. As we all know ZC8 can run and I expect will today when required. We also didn't run any Jet sweeps that night which is a big go to play for us.

Hopefully not, eliminating Z.C. could be the difference between winning and losing the G.C. for the Ti-Cats, taking him out of the game would be the easiest route for them to take, the cost could be as cheap as a 25 yd. I.R. penalty.  The Bombers can't afford to take any chances exposing Zach to cheap shots either running the ball or rolling out beyond protection, as long as Simoni is on the field.  The Bombers won't need this edge to win this game, it would be beyond stupid to risk their entire season just to pick up a few extra stray yards.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bwiser on December 12, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
If Colleros needs to run today I have no problem with it. He doesn't have to save himself for next week. I wouldn't want to see him doing that all season but today do whatever it takes to win the game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 12, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
If Colleros needs to run today I have no problem with it. He doesn't have to save himself for next week. I wouldn't want to see him doing that all season but today do whatever it takes to win the game.

I disagree, last week the fly in the ointment was the turnovers, they were good enough to overcome, I don't think they can overcome the loss of Collaros unless they are up by plenty.  Running Zach with Harris in the backfield creates a risk situation with almost no reward, they need to protect him as if he were made of glass.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: gobombersgo on December 12, 2021, 09:16:52 PM
From the Bombers:

Today's inactive: #96 Ricky Walker

#ForTheW #DefendTheCup https://t.co/s90f94mN8h


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: NewBlue on December 12, 2021, 09:50:12 PM
Ya, I'd rather not see Zach running unless a big hole opens, and make sure he gets that slide in!

Hoping for some kind of trickery on the returns, what a game for Grant to break one!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 12, 2021, 10:01:18 PM
Wow. Kudos to TSN. Great Pre-Game Show.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: NewBlue on December 12, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
And let's hope the zebras don't play a role!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 12, 2021, 10:21:28 PM
That sure looks like our old stadium that we tore down


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 10:22:35 PM
LET'S GO BOMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE PLAY AT A TIME, DOMINATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 12, 2021, 10:27:04 PM
Remember Banks doesn't like being hit


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tiger on December 12, 2021, 10:31:14 PM
I like how the Ti Cats touch the Grey Cup as they come out.  Back luck.  Last time they touch it this year.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 10:34:15 PM
Ham captains did not want to shake hands at the coin toss. Bombers captains look like they mean business, helmets on ready to roll.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 10:35:02 PM
Ham to receive, first turnover coming up!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 12, 2021, 10:35:37 PM
I hate heavy metal, but HAM made the right move going for the metal and rock intro.  And we pick the rap this year?  It was reversed in 2019 when we played the metal.

Welcome to the Jungle indeed!  Great move by HAM.

Our guys looked stoked though.  Maybe even more so than HAM.

Won the toss, and deferred??  Guess MOS is thinking about that 4th Q wind.  Typical MOS.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 10:38:21 PM
No thanks to this rendition of Oh Canada...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 10:39:03 PM
Um, ****. That was one of the worst anthems I?ve ever heard.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 10:39:55 PM
No thanks to this rendition of Oh Canada...

Very generous of you to call it a ?rendition.?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 10:41:26 PM
I anticipate Ham to come out throwing.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 10:43:00 PM
Donny C sighting.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Donny C on TV, looooooooooking good!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 12, 2021, 10:43:47 PM
Wow, there's very few non-HAM jerseys in those stands!  Hostile territory.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 10:46:11 PM
15 yrd no yards penalty


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 10:46:56 PM
What? no infraction, okay boys, we are playing against Ham and the CFL officials and Command Centre.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 10:54:58 PM
No holding call - Willie was being held..

Grant sloppy with the ball or punched out??

Tsn bad with replays


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 12, 2021, 10:55:38 PM
Oh my god here we go again, protect the dam ball!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 12, 2021, 10:56:32 PM
Thank god we have the best D in the league to bail us out!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 10:56:48 PM
Willie!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tiger on December 12, 2021, 10:59:26 PM
Thank god we have the best D in the league to bail us out!!!

Exactly.

To bail out offence and special teams


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tiger on December 12, 2021, 11:00:19 PM
Couture and Hardrick seem to be having some trouble.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 12, 2021, 11:00:26 PM
how long will Zac last being taken down like this


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:00:51 PM
Great snag by Lawler.  Hamilton is bringing heat.  Screen pass or roll Zach out..

Defence is on fire and Sergio delivers!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 12, 2021, 11:07:09 PM
Hamilton punting is keeping us at bay.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:11:41 PM
Zach not in a rhythm yet. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 11:13:39 PM
Zach not in a rhythm yet. 

Credit Hamilton?s D-line. They?re winning that battle right now. It?s not on Zach imo.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:15:48 PM
Ham has been watching film on the sweep


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:16:35 PM
Simoni lead with his helmet on that late hit on Adams, but surprise, no call.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:17:51 PM
Credit Hamilton?s D-line. They?re winning that battle right now. It?s not on Zach imo.

Exactly.  They are doing their job. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:20:39 PM
Ham D line is pushing our O line around.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 12, 2021, 11:21:54 PM
Zac taking a little to long to get the ball off


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: NewBlue on December 12, 2021, 11:23:23 PM
Oline needs to do better


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:26:57 PM
O needs to march here against the wind. Take some time off.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tiger on December 12, 2021, 11:27:22 PM
Simoni lead with his helmet on that late hit on Adams, but surprise, no call.

Why?

They have only called holding on Hamilton once despite tackling non ball carrying bombers from behind.  No penalty there.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:31:38 PM
I have ordered up a pick 6 here guys...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: NewBlue on December 12, 2021, 11:32:26 PM
Feels like its a ton of commercials....


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:36:07 PM
That didn't look that serious...it was a penalty by rule


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:36:31 PM
Well, now which Masoli will we see, the good one or the bad one? hopefully the latter.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tehedra on December 12, 2021, 11:37:22 PM
So much holding on that huge run


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 11:37:31 PM
That didn't look that serious...it was a penalty by rule

That?s what I thought at first, but the replay did look a little more serious. Not THIS serious, but definitely a penalty. I think he might have got hit again.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tehedra on December 12, 2021, 11:39:18 PM
That?s what I thought at first, but the replay did look a little more serious. Not THIS serious, but definitely a penalty. I think he might have got hit again.

He did take a hit as he was going down


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:40:19 PM
Kyrie Wilson tackling machine


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:40:57 PM
I noticed Evans, had 2 bandages on the back of his neck as well, some previous injury maybe.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:42:25 PM
Quick slant coming.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:43:01 PM
Watch the fake here.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:48:45 PM
Offense needs to figure some stuff out


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 11:51:20 PM
I?d like to see the replay of where that ball went out. Looked like it was going out outside the 20, not RIGHT ON the 20.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:51:34 PM
It feels like the CFL has told Proulx to make sure the game is close by calling everything on Wpg, Holding on the far side of the field is usually never called but the ref will be telling the player to let him go.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:52:16 PM
Face masking on Simoni, but surprise no call.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:52:35 PM
It feels like the CFL has told Proulx to make sure the game is close by calling everything on Wpg, Holding on the far side of the field is usually never called but the ref will be telling the player to let him go.

That doesn't happen. 



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tehedra on December 12, 2021, 11:53:12 PM
Wasn't that an illegal punt... it was out outside the twenty


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:54:13 PM
Got out coached there.  Condell called a Beauty. 

Take notes Buck


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 12, 2021, 11:55:12 PM
Wasn't that an illegal punt... it was out outside the twenty

not if it bounces


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 12, 2021, 11:55:25 PM
Wasn't that an illegal punt... it was out outside the twenty

That?s what it looked like to me, but apparently it went out RIGHT ON the 20.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:55:57 PM
It's good Masoli.


Down by 3. 


Offence is ineffective. Defence can only hold for so long


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:57:04 PM
That doesn't happen. 



He says sarcastically.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: NewBlue on December 12, 2021, 11:58:17 PM
Face masking on Simoni, but surprise no call.

That was a brutal miss


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 12, 2021, 11:58:49 PM
He says sarcastically.

No it doesn't happen.  The league doesn't fix games by telling refs to call penalties on one team more than others


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 12, 2021, 11:59:51 PM
Time to give Oliveira and Augustine a series.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 12, 2021, 11:59:54 PM
No it doesn't happen.  The league doesn't fix games by telling refs to call penalties on one team more than others
Sure looks like it, how can they miss so many infractions against the cats?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:00:41 AM
Time to give Oliveira and Augustine a series.

Agreed...prob won't happen but I would try Augustine and see if we can get him into open space


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: M.O.A.B. on December 13, 2021, 12:00:46 AM
Running game is non-existent so far. Do we have any 2-back set?
We need to put any combo of Harris, Oliveira & Augustine.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:01:08 AM
That was a brutal miss
How can they miss that??? There?s 7 guys on the field and they don?t see a hands to the face or face masking on that!!?? Just brutal officiating


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bluengold204 on December 13, 2021, 12:02:28 AM
Harris playing like an ******* right now


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:02:43 AM
We need some Play action to Harris on 1st down as Ham is stacking the box and quick throws to our receivers.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 13, 2021, 12:05:24 AM
Is Buck saving Bailey for the second half? How about Harris to the outside?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on December 13, 2021, 12:06:12 AM
We need to get it going or its going to be 2001 again... perhaps put Augustine in there for a few plays to shake things up.. or two backs to confuse their D. Hamilton D is sharp today.. we gotta find a way but so far Buck either isn't changing or lacks the experience to do so.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:06:15 AM
Refs aren't the reason we losing.  Our dominate o line is getting played.  Our play calling hasn't adjusted to that and Harris isn't hitting the holes in time.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lake Winnipeg on December 13, 2021, 12:06:30 AM
half time decision will be key.

take ball?

wind in 4th?



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:07:37 AM
half time decision will be key.

take ball?

wind in 4th?



Wind in 4th

No question from my perspective. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 13, 2021, 12:09:19 AM
The wind is a huge factor in this game. We simply must get more done in the air when we have the wind. I think we get it in the 4th? Gotta keep them out of the end zone in the 3rd.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lake Winnipeg on December 13, 2021, 12:09:24 AM
Defense has to win this game and it has to be the DL. Masoli now will just run around buy time, then throw.

Collaros is gonna have to get ready to throw the ball lots in the 4th qtr


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 12:13:25 AM
Refs aren't the reason we losing.  Our dominate o line is getting played.  Our play calling hasn't adjusted to that and Harris isn't hitting the holes in time.

This.

Other than he?s missing the holes. I?m not sure there are any. Their D-line is kicking our ***.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:13:46 AM
Refs aren't the reason we losing.  Our dominate o line is getting played.  Our play calling hasn't adjusted to that and Harris isn't hitting the holes in time.
Bang on. O line is not dominating Hamilton?s D.

Time to go play action, suck the linebackers in and go with our short passing game to our slot backs .

Also, no shots taken down field yet, I thought we would have went after their Nat safety


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 12:15:00 AM
On the plus side, we?ll have the wind in the fourth, so if it?s close at the end of the third I like our chances.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 12:16:28 AM
Also, no shots taken down field yet, I thought we would have went after their Nat safety

Other than one play I can recall, he hasn?t had time to look downfield, let alone the receivers get there.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 13, 2021, 12:16:41 AM
They just didn't make enough hay with the wind in the 1st. 4pts just not good enough.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 13, 2021, 12:18:31 AM
I think they still need to stick with the run. Maybe bring in another back for a few carries. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 12:19:03 AM
As they say, the game is won in the trenches. We?re quite honestly lucky to be down only 3.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:19:53 AM
This.

Other than he?s missing the holes. I?m not sure there are any. Their D-line is kicking our ***.

There was one run that he missed the hole on - went the wrong way...not always easy for the RB to see in real time.

Time for Buck to earn his pay and MOP Zach to deliver


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:20:50 AM
Thankfully we have this long halftime to figure it out. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:21:54 AM
Refs aren't the reason we losing.  Our dominate o line is getting played.  Our play calling hasn't adjusted to that and Harris isn't hitting the holes in time.

Never said they were the reason, but, they are not calling Ham for blatant late hit with their helmet to Adams on that one reception, the obvious face masking on Simoni before he made the tackle and then calling Hansen for holding on the wide side of the field completely away from the play. When I reffed, we were told don't call holding when the play is on the other side of the field, just tell the offending player to let him go. So the refs  miss the blatant call against Ham but call a penalty on us that had no bearing on the play. Things that make you go Hmmmmm.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 12:22:55 AM
I think they still need to stick with the run. Maybe bring in another back for a few carries. 

I don?t think another back is the answer, it?s the game plan. Props to Hamilton for coming up with a good game plan so far. Coaches show their worth with the half time adjustments. I believe O?Shea is the better coach. We?ll probably see more sweeps, screens and quick hitters to slow up the D-line and open up the long ball. Hopefully.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:27:46 AM
Momentum is a powerful force and Hamilton has it right now despite a horrendous start.    Their D is playing better than ours at the moment and our O didn't capitalize on the field position early.    Then throw in Masoli who is in redemption mode and well...to be honest he made the most of his opportunity!   The crowd is also back in it and if the Cats carry that momentum into the 2nd half....then they will likely win.   


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 12:27:50 AM
Told you guys Masoli was the better choice for QB.  He's more of a vet.  He can run.  He's not a wimp like Evans.  I pray Evans comes back in, but coach O would be mental to not roll with hot Masoli.  Wait till Masoli screws up, then they'll bring Evans back in and the musical QBs will kill all confidence.

My word you people worry too much and bail too fast. This isn't 2019.  Play our game.  Keep feeding Harris, but mix it up a bit.  Make them pay for keying on Harris.  That means creativity on 1st down.  Harris will not be benched for Augustine.  Never.

We take wind in 4th.  We must limit them in 3rd.  If they get up too much, the morale and momentum and crowd will be hard to overcome.

Sorry CFL, crap halftime show.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:30:02 AM
Never said they were the reason, but, they are not calling Ham for blatant late hit with their helmet to Adams on that one reception, the obvious face masking on Simoni before he made the tackle and then calling Hansen for holding on the wide side of the field completely away from the play. When I reffed, we were told don't call holding when the play is on the other side of the field, just tell the offending player to let him go. So the refs  miss the blatant call against Ham but call a penalty on us that had no bearing on the play. Things that make you go Hmmmmm.
I still ref and for minor fouls, they have to have an impact on the play for them to be called. A holding call on the wide side of the field when the play is on the other, doesn?t get called as you could literally throw s flag on every play. It has to impact the play, not sure why they re reaching for some fouls but missing the obvious


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
The turnovers in WDF are making Zach timid.  He's hanging on because he doesn't want to throw INTs.  Dane was the same way.

We're going to have to loosen up just a little bit, some risks will need to be taken.

Go Blue!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:30:44 AM
Told you guys Masoli was the better choice for QB.  He's more of a vet.  He can run.  He's not a wimp like Evans.  I pray Evans comes back in, but coach O would be mental to not roll with hot Masoli.  Wait till Masoli screws up, then they'll bring Evans back in and the musical QBs will kill all confidence.

My word you people worry too much and bail too fast. This isn't 2019.  Play our game.  Keep feeding Harris, but mix it up a bit.  Make them pay for keying on Harris.  That means creativity on 1st down.  Harris will not be benched for Augustine.  Never.

We take wind in 4th.  We must limit them in 3rd.  If they get up too much, the morale and momentum and crowd will be hard to overcome.

Sorry CFL, crap halftime show.
Also....the anthem was painful


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 12:32:50 AM
The real ref iffiness is the hands to the face on us.  Weak.  They've called HTF maybe 2 times all season!!  It was a very weak HTF, brief.  Happens every play.  Proulx drawing the lines early in the game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tehedra on December 13, 2021, 12:35:13 AM
not if it bounces

The refs just proved that a bounce doesn't matter


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:36:14 AM
Finally a shot downfield!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:36:51 AM
And another one to Adams.

Collaros, eat their secondary alive!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 12:38:24 AM
Zach?s had more time in the pocket on this drive than he had the entire first half.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:38:56 AM
Injury here is a mo killer.  Need ZC in a rhythm and we can win. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Tehedra on December 13, 2021, 12:41:00 AM
Finally a shot downfield!!!

I was wondering if Zach was going to pass down field this game.  Couple good shots from him this quarter which hopefully can help open the run game a bit too


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 12:41:48 AM
All the "told ya so's" for Harris might have been a bit premature. Guy looks like he has the speed of a 50 year old today.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:42:26 AM
First time I see a field goal made and none of the refs signal it was good.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:42:41 AM
Harris took a lick on that shot....Knox laid him down.   Harris not being dominant in this game so far.   The Cat D is very hungry and they're stacking the box....


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lake Winnipeg on December 13, 2021, 12:42:56 AM
3 points into the wind. I will take it.

Our DL has to keep eating.  Just watch the **** misdirection and screen plays to their RB or wingback.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lake Winnipeg on December 13, 2021, 12:43:19 AM
Harris took a lick on that shot....Knox laid him down.   Harris not being dominant in this game so far.   The Cat D is very hungry and they're stacking the box....

well that might bite them in the 4th


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:43:29 AM
All the "told ya so's" for Harris might have been a bit premature. Guy looks like he has the speed of a 50 year old today.

Yes he does.  Hamilton watched film and game planned for him (and the Demski sweep).  Would have like to see a throw to the end zone. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: elder on December 13, 2021, 12:43:52 AM
I was hoping for a TD, but I guess 3 points will have to do for now.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lake Winnipeg on December 13, 2021, 12:44:33 AM

we need a fumble recovery or interception


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 12:45:21 AM
Woohoo! GREAT STOP!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:45:36 AM
All the "told ya so's" for Harris might have been a bit premature. Guy looks like he has the speed of a 50 year old today.
Ive noticed his lack of burst on at least 3 plays.    He just hasn't gotten untracked....Yet


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:47:07 AM
Well, that may be a killer.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:47:26 AM
They?re going to have a 3rd string safety in now. Time to dial it up next series and go for the kill with Lawler, Bailey and Adams.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:48:03 AM
Bad throw after our D makes a brilliant stop.....momentum swinging like a pendulum on steroids


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:48:12 AM
Too much going on. 

They are taking Demski out of the game. 

Stupid decision to go for it and they got bailed out on that pick


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bluengold204 on December 13, 2021, 12:48:20 AM
Collaros also playing like an *******


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lake Winnipeg on December 13, 2021, 12:48:34 AM
come on. horrible play call.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 12:48:36 AM
First time I see a field goal made and none of the refs signal it was good.

For the short ones I'm pretty sure it's the ref at the back of the EZ that signals it


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:49:08 AM
Good go, Ticats are keying in in Demski and Harris, play action to them and strike downfield where their rookie backups are. This is basic strategy and we?re not adjusting


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:51:05 AM
For the short ones I'm pretty sure it's the ref at the back of the EZ that signals it

No, it's the two refs standing under the goal posts who call it.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:52:19 AM
That interception was huge.  Flipped the field and they scored. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Cool Spot on December 13, 2021, 12:52:58 AM
Ouch. This is a 10-point swing on that 3rd down stop on the Ham 40-yard line, which turned into an interception and leading to a TD.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:53:03 AM
That interception was huge.  Flipped the field and they scored. 

Are you calling it the TSN turning point?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:53:09 AM
And the pendulum is swing in the Cats favour......that may be the TSN turning point.   Masoli is outplaying Zach today,...I was hoping Evans would stay in actually


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 12:53:51 AM
I knew it'd be a close hard game.  This is where real heroes are made.  Bomber team needs to prove they really are the best.  The 4th will reveal what the team was made of this year.  I'm confident they'll do it.  It's smash-mouth.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:54:09 AM
Are you calling it the TSN turning point?

At this point it is..


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:56:30 AM
Who is that wearing #8 for Bombers and what have you done with Zach?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 12:56:36 AM
Not Zachs day



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 12:58:06 AM
That?s an understatement

Still have to find a way to win


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 12:59:04 AM
Where was the blocking on that punt, 4 guys come in free on Grant.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 13, 2021, 12:59:08 AM
Does Zac still feel like he is still playing for Hammy?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:00:19 AM
Throw downfield, Ham has too many people around the LOS.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:00:29 AM
They have gameplanned against Demski. 

Being out coached


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 01:00:45 AM
Again, Hamilton is focusing on Harris and Demski, play action away from Demski and go to Bailey with the ball. If we don?t change this, we re dead as Hamilton is swarming to Harris and Demski where ever they go


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:01:44 AM
Took the timeout so we have to punt against the wind


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:02:24 AM
I don't know about that safety.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:02:42 AM
Had to have one first down there....just have to.   Two score game now....Masoli is the story of this game.   They must hold them to a FG only....or it's a long afternoon


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:03:26 AM
I don't know about that safety.

Lol, ya me either. Showing great confidence in your defence AND offence.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:04:01 AM
I don't know about that safety.

Give up 2 rather than 7 as Ham would have gotten the ball around our 40 if we punted.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:04:52 AM
If ham scores here that might be it


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:05:13 AM
If they score here, it might be too much to overcome.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bluengold204 on December 13, 2021, 01:05:19 AM
#1d my ***


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 01:05:35 AM
Ticats are just handing it to us. Clearly the better team today.  Looks like they will continue the string whereby the players win all the individual awards but lose the grey cup. Brutal.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:06:09 AM
In the last 24 years, the team that won the turnovers won the GC all 24 times, not looking good for us.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:06:10 AM
Bombers are beating themselves PLUS Hamilton is out coaching and out playing them.  They want it more so far and it shows.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:06:13 AM
Give up 2 rather than 7 as Ham would have gotten the ball around our 40 if we punted.
well they got it at the 50 and are in good scoring shape


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 01:06:59 AM
Feeling like 20 years ago.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:08:23 AM
TSN - get the halftime performer off my screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 01:09:22 AM
This games over


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:09:44 AM
Great play call on the Masoli run


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:10:32 AM
My head is about to explode with this interview


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 01:12:16 AM
Still lots of time. Collaros needs a couple drives. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:12:30 AM
Well I guess the Arkels won't be selling many CD's here in Manitoba.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 01:13:21 AM
Bombers need a quick TD here or it?s done.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 13, 2021, 01:13:30 AM
What hurts is we are getting beat by a bunch of back ups


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: barrywpg on December 13, 2021, 01:14:14 AM
Like this Arkell guy - he's more interested in the game than promoting himself - remember Keith Urban ( I think thats who it was ) 2 years ago
 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 01:14:39 AM
Have faith.  Is the team as good as advertised??  If so, they'll do it, or make it close


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:15:36 AM
Like this Arkell guy - he's more interested in the game than promoting himself - remember Keith Urban ( I think thats who it was ) 2 years ago
 

Yep, I remember Glen Suitor kissing Urban's *** during the entire interview, embarrassed for him.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:16:43 AM
That was nearly a game ending pick 6.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 01:16:50 AM
Bombers playing hungry, inspired ball.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:17:18 AM
No FG now....we need 7


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:18:31 AM
No FG now....we need 7

Take the 3. Lots of time.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 01:18:49 AM
We needed 7 there


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 01:19:13 AM
Good penalty by Lawler.  3 is better than zero.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:19:31 AM
A couple two and outs, a couple drives by our O and the games still there for us.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:19:40 AM
Lawler prevented that pick in the end zone.......still a two score game.   Hamilton's D standing strong.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 01:19:46 AM
Ticats obviously going to run the ball,against the win, get after masoli and make him throw a pick


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:20:31 AM
I may have went for it on 3rd down as it now is still a 2 score game. Go for it on 3rd down, if you fail,Ham takes over on the 12, hold them too a 2 and out and they may give up 2 or if they punt you have good field position.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:22:05 AM
I may have went for it on 3rd down as it now is still a 2 score game. Go for it on 3rd down, if you fail,Ham takes over on the 12, hold them too a 2 and out and they may give up 2 or if they punt you have good field position.

Now we need a TD and a FG instead of two TD?s. I totally agree with taking the 3.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:27:09 AM
We still have a game....Demski finally breaks one.   I did predict the game would be won on a last drive FG....Bombers are clawing back


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:27:57 AM
Time for a BIG finish.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 01:28:07 AM
YESSSSSSSS GO!!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:28:29 AM
Here we go


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:29:40 AM
As much as our field goal kicking has improved, even though we?re with the wind and REGARDLESS of how well Castillo has looked today, I still don?t want this coming down to a field goal attempt in the dying seconds.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:29:49 AM
Wished he had caught that in the end zone....


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:30:39 AM
Crowd?s pretty quiet all of a sudden.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:32:08 AM
Momentum shifting again....


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 01:34:38 AM
McGuire better convert.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:34:42 AM
BIG 3rd down gamble, C'mon SM.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:34:55 AM
Big play coming up on 2nd down....a foot shy...well you gotta go now.   McGuire on a sneak....??


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 13, 2021, 01:36:08 AM
Challenge the spot


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:37:22 AM
OS but I'm sure he had it anyway....but take the 5....that jet sweep hasn't worked today.  2nd and 10....will they go for the first or field position


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 13, 2021, 01:38:20 AM
why do the fly sweep again


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:40:58 AM
Now show why we?re the #1 D!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:41:21 AM
So how bad do we want it?  We'll soon see...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 01:42:24 AM
WTH?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 01:42:45 AM
why do the fly sweep again
The fly sweep has been brutal,today?-throw that play out!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:43:02 AM
Thanks for the free point Banks lol!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 13, 2021, 01:43:21 AM
don't know about that decision


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:44:28 AM
Biggest play of the game here


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:45:33 AM
We may have OT


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:46:19 AM
We may have OT
....well maybe not...does it get any more exciting?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:47:04 AM
#1 D????????


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:47:39 AM
Watch the QB draw here.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:48:03 AM
3rd and 8 was the game


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 01:48:58 AM
Bring on OT!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:49:02 AM
Well whooda thunk it....a GC OT!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:49:48 AM
3rd and 8 was the game
Gutsy call and a gutsy play!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:50:10 AM
Our defence folded on that drive


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:50:51 AM
Remember when the guy conceded the single point


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 01:51:41 AM
Remember when the guy conceded the single point

Yeah, that was strange.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:51:52 AM
Gotta give Masoli credit!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 13, 2021, 01:52:15 AM
0-0 new game


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 01:52:49 AM
Well ****, thought we had it there. Thank god we were given that free point.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:54:06 AM
Here we go


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 01:59:57 AM
Darvin!!   Now make the two point


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 02:02:28 AM
Defence can win it - redemption


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 02:02:49 AM
It doesn't get any better than this....


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 02:03:00 AM
Hamilton?s about due for a turnover here.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 02:04:22 AM
GC CHAMPS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 02:04:31 AM
OMFG!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 02:04:57 AM
Sweet!

Closer than I thought or hoped, but thrilled we pulled it out.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 02:05:02 AM
WE DID IT! WE DID IT! WE DID IT!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: feeling the blues on December 13, 2021, 02:05:15 AM
Wow!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 02:05:32 AM
One of the greatest Bomber games of my life!! Congrats everyone!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blitzer on December 13, 2021, 02:05:56 AM
OMG!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:06:16 AM
F me.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 02:06:26 AM
Very fitting, a great defensive play and interception wins this game. Oh my god that was an unreal game!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Cool Spot on December 13, 2021, 02:06:40 AM
Hooray! Fantastic!

I sprained my ankle doing a victory dance, tripping on something in my house! I'm in so much physical pain right now! But I'm still happy!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: elder on December 13, 2021, 02:07:02 AM
Hamilton?s about due for a turnover here.

Good call!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:07:09 AM
Winston scooped that.  Thank god he came back.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 02:07:40 AM
Two peat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scared  the stuffing out of me. Not pretty at times but got it done. Collaros found a way.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 02:08:06 AM
Rose kept that ball alive....talk about adversity.   I guess we wanted it more just ever so slightly....and had we lost I was ok with it too....because Hamilton Tiger Cats played their hearts out!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blitzer on December 13, 2021, 02:08:11 AM
Hooray! Fantastic!

I sprained my ankle doing a victory dance, tripping on something in my house! I'm in so much physical pain right now! But I'm still happy!

It's good it's the last game. Now you can rest.  :)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 02:10:18 AM
That was an absolute dog fight!! Talk about a team with heart and fight and never give up. Probably the best playoff game we ve been in in quite some time!!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 02:12:21 AM
I?m honestly not sure who gets outstanding canadian and MVP though.

Harris and Lawler? Harris and Adams? I think it?s Lawler or Adams for MVP. Not sure who else could win top Canadian.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 02:15:29 AM
Actually, Castillo could get MVP too.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: gobombersgo on December 13, 2021, 02:15:32 AM
I?m honestly not sure who gets outstanding canadian and MVP though.

Harris and Lawler? Harris and Adams? I think it?s Lawler or Adams for MVP. Not sure who else could win top Canadian.
Castillo for MVP.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 02:16:06 AM
That was the most adversity they've encountered and despite being down 12 points Zach rallied them back in front....and then our D made a critical play on the goal line and then the to make the pinball pick at the end was really poetic justice for this team and their great great fans!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 02:16:18 AM
Ok. Take a week off then start re-signing all our players. Gear up for a chance at a Three peat.

Seriously this was a season and a game we should have prevailed for a multitude of reasons. We did but it wasn't easy.

Congratulations to the Ti-Cats for a well played and well coached game. They had just where they wanted us but we escaped the phone booth when Superman showed up ( Collaros ).



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 02:16:36 AM
Castillo for MVP.

Yeah, I think that?s who I?d have to go with. Perfect day and no one else really stood out.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 02:16:53 AM
Holding call in OT??

HahahahahAhahahahahahahahahahaha

Defence did it!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 02:18:09 AM
Not one Hamilton fan in the stands


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 02:21:22 AM
I'll probably re-watch the game again in a day or two. I'll check out the stats etc etc. More of a ritual than anything and I'll need a few days to calm down. That was nerve racking. Losing in the particular fashion would have been heartbreaking for either team.

IIRC, Collaros has only lost 1 game that mattered. 17-1 if I got that math right. Either way, who else can make a claim like that? Impressive. Get his name on a new deal for Chrsitmas.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue72 on December 13, 2021, 02:21:46 AM
Now will Harris hang it upon a high?????????????


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 02:22:35 AM
Now will Harris hang it upon a high?????????????

I?d bet he comes back for one more year.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 02:23:40 AM
You know I didn't even get too excited at the end......we had the team that could snatch victory from those cliched but nasty jaws of defeat....and the Bombers showed a lot of class in winning this with humility and passion!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:24:02 AM
Seriously they couldn?t find a better victory song than a Firehouse song from 30 years ago?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:25:24 AM
We outscored them, what, 22-3 from the beginning of the 4th.

Fitting.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 02:27:35 AM
Final comments for the moment.

I think the Bombers just wanted the win slightly more. Many key plays made on both sides of the ball. The Ti-Cats came to play and nearly won. Kudos to their organization.

In the end, I think it was Rose that made the final blow to the Ti-Cats. But it could have been anybody in the last few seconds.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: elder on December 13, 2021, 02:29:05 AM
It was a great win!!  It was tough, but they found a way.




Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on December 13, 2021, 02:30:53 AM
It was mostly the new additions of Rose and Castillo that came to play for the Bombers... the rest of the guys were too chill. The Ticats deserved to win the game.. sloppy playing by the Bombers against the Riders and Ticats. We lucked out on this Cup.. and what a bonehead move from the Ticats to give up a point to make it a field goal to tie rather than win.. wonder who made that call.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 13, 2021, 02:32:46 AM
#1D, Hall is boss, best team in the land, ddddddynasty, MOS = best Bomber coach ever?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:32:56 AM
It was mostly the new additions of Rose and Castillo that came to play for the Bombers... the rest of the guys were too chill. The Ticats deserved to win the game.. sloppy playing by the Bombers against the Riders and Ticats. We lucked out on this Cup.. and what a bonehead move from the Ticats to give up a point to make it a field goal to tie rather than win.. wonder who made that call.

Reinebold finally made a good call for the Blue and Gold?

Too soon?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:34:06 AM
After watching Steinaeurs interview?100% he?s leaving.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 02:41:23 AM
It was mostly the new additions of Rose and Castillo that came to play for the Bombers... the rest of the guys were too chill. The Ticats deserved to win the game.. sloppy playing by the Bombers against the Riders and Ticats. We lucked out on this Cup.. and what a bonehead move from the Ticats to give up a point to make it a field goal to tie rather than win.. wonder who made that call.
Great point and massively overlooked. TSN didn?t even dwell on the point. I said when that happened that just cost them the game and it did. Boneheaded play is an understatement, but given deadbolt is involved, what do you expect?? Coach highlights needs his *ss kicked for that call.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 02:44:05 AM
Reinebold finally made a good call for the Blue and Gold?

Too soon?

IMO the Ham player made the decision on his own. He caught the ball started up field, then stopped about 2 yards in the end zone and knelt down. You sense the confusion from the fans and the Ticats themselves, they were like *** just happened.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on December 13, 2021, 02:46:02 AM
I guess I love Reinbold even more if he's the one that wanted to give up the single.

Overall, I think Nichols also deserved a thumbs up for deflecting the ball on the last play for the interception as well as blocking the potentially game winning touchdown for Masoli in the 4th quarter..


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: feeling the blues on December 13, 2021, 02:47:49 AM
I think that was the first interception with two bombers assisting


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 02:48:52 AM
A well coached team would have clearly relayed to their returner, bring the dam ball out. Special teams has their play calls too, the returner just executes it. If it was the players call, that should be his last play in a Ticats uniform


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 02:51:24 AM
After watching Steinaeurs interview?100% he?s leaving.
He was clearly heartbroken after putting all his energy into getting the Ticats to the cup. I hope he stays in the cfl as he is a total class act and we need more like him. That said, I wouldn?t blame him for a second if he goes and I too think he?s gone, why stick around after losing 2 cups in a row??


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:57:18 AM
Baileys catch on his side deserves a few rewatches.

Darvin getting the winning TD was poetic.

Lawlers OPI saved the game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 02:59:26 AM
A well coached team would have clearly relayed to their returner, bring the dam ball out. Special teams has their play calls too, the returner just executes it. If it was the players call, that should be his last play in a Ticats uniform

My belief is, the Ham player is playing in his first game, he is an American, he was under pressure from the situation, he simply had a brain cramp and knelt down not realizing in the CFL that is a rouge, in the states it's no points and the ball comes out to the 25 yard line. Simply is an American not knowing or forgetting about the rouge.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 13, 2021, 03:04:04 AM
Baileys catch on his side deserves a few rewatches.

Darvin getting the winning TD was poetic.

Lawlers OPI saved the game.
Agree all

And to think mid season there was a small group saying our receivers suck lol

Darvin proves his worth, yet again.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 13, 2021, 03:04:57 AM
Adams is money player.
 He played  great made great catches so did Bailey. Both came up with big catches .


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 03:12:27 AM
Credit where credit is due on the broadcast team.  PBP was solid.

At least the Arkells guy was a CFL fan and knew what was going on.  And the segment was shorter than the drool fest over Keith Urban.

If you?re going to interview the halftime guy, why not have Knuckles in the booth for a bit?  I get that he didn?t work for a TSN affiliate but still.

Panel did a good job.  Bo took more shots than he needed to and handled it well.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on December 13, 2021, 03:32:13 AM
You can tell that Glen Suitor is so anti-Bomber... again...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Jesse on December 13, 2021, 03:39:52 AM
Credit where credit is due on the broadcast team.  PBP was solid.

At least the Arkells guy was a CFL fan and knew what was going on.  And the segment was shorter than the drool fest over Keith Urban.

If you?re going to interview the halftime guy, why not have Knuckles in the booth for a bit?  I get that he didn?t work for a TSN affiliate but still.

Panel did a good job.  Bo took more shots than he needed to and handled it well.



Agree 100% on the interview part.

Knuckles was offered to call a part of the game and declined - so don't put that on TSN. He just wanted to enjoy the game as a fan.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 03:51:30 AM
Agree 100% on the interview part.

Knuckles was offered to call a part of the game and declined - so don't put that on TSN. He just wanted to enjoy the game as a fan.

Fair enough.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on December 13, 2021, 03:55:25 AM
Just look at the extensive notes broadcasters have for games. There's no way any PBP guy would go into the booth to call games, or part of games, without being fully prepped. Glad Bob got to enjoy the game as a fan.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 03:56:27 AM
It?s interesting that the TiCats whiffed on both KO singles.  The first one would have likely sailed through if the returner hadn?t jumped up and tried to catch it and in doing so he tipped it.  Had he not touched it and it carries through the end zone, no point is awarded.

To be fair, it was Tim White returning, not Papi White who usually handles returns.  Alexander took him out early.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Jockitch on December 13, 2021, 04:03:04 AM
Still feeling numb from how the early 3quarters was unfolding & then to have Nichols put us into OT by tipping the Cat pass with 5 seconds left

WONDERFUL Victory ....... absolutely tremendous season of Bomber football 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 04:21:06 AM
Mike O'Shea is now one of four Winnipeg head coaches to win multiple Grey Cup games alongside Reg Threlfall (1939, 1941), Bud Grant (1958, 1959, 1961, 1962), and Mike Riley (1988, 1990).


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bluengold204 on December 13, 2021, 04:31:16 AM
Great win!  I cursed out collaros and Harris early but they got it done in the 4th and OT and couldn?t be happier.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TheDeuce on December 13, 2021, 04:38:09 AM
Immaculate Interception 2.0!




m.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 04:43:17 AM
We totally out played Hamilton in the 1st. quarter, D was on a roll and then we did Hamilton a favor by knocking Evans out of the game. My Grandson's noticed before the game that Evans had a fair amount of KT tape on the base of his neck. Probably aggravated a neck injury he suffered on the goal line in the Toronto game.

I thought Hamilton out played us for the 2nd. and 3rd. quarter, and really shut down AH33 and our running game most of the night. AH33 80 yards, 4.4 avg.   ND10 -1 yards.  

We owned the 4th quarter. With exception of the last 2 minutes, we really picked up our game. Nice win. Still hate OT in the CFL.

My pick for most outstanding player, Castillo or Adams. Castillo was light out all night. Adams was in the dirty spot all night. AB4 also had a great game.

Most outstanding Canadian: Wol82 4-48, and some key catches. JT95 also had a very god game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 04:53:05 AM
Honestly, both the MVP and MOC picks felt like consolation picks from 2019. 



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 13, 2021, 05:05:02 AM
What. A. Game.

Kudos to the Ti-Cats for putting up one heck of a fight but the better team prevailed.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: jeremy q public on December 13, 2021, 05:14:57 AM
Lawlers OPI saved the game.

YES! That has gotta be the most valuable penalty I've ever seen a Bomber take.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 06:51:31 AM
Watch the QB draw here.

Haha, that's exactly what I thought/said at the moment!  :D  The pass almost worked... would the draw have worked?  Maybe because everyone thought draw, WPG would have been ready.

You know I didn't even get too excited at the end......we had the team that could snatch victory from those cliched but nasty jaws of defeat

Ya, I'm sure we'll all talk a little more about this.  The emotions on this win were completely different from '19.  For you, me, and I'm sure lots of fans.  And definitely for the team.  The reactions were completely different.  Many players were really crying in the postgame, when in 2019 there were some teary eyes of joy, but no bawling red eyes.

Like I said last week.  This win was kind of gravy, not the emotional must-have of 2019.  And this time I felt they were going to win and didn't get too worked up.  In 2019 it wasn't until 5:00 in the 4th I felt WPG would win.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 06:58:05 AM
We outscored them, what, 22-3 from the beginning of the 4th.

Fitting.

Insane.  I was doubting MOS deferring both halves.  But he knew best.  That wind plus our shut-em-down D in the 4th made HAM's life very difficult.

It was mostly the new additions of Rose and Castillo that came to play for the Bombers... the rest of the guys were too chill. The Ticats deserved to win the game.. sloppy playing by the Bombers against the Riders and Ticats. We lucked out on this Cup.. and what a bonehead move from the Ticats to give up a point to make it a field goal to tie rather than win.. wonder who made that call.

No way, uh-uh.  There was no luck on this win.  This was grit, belief, even keel morale, and can-do attitude that won this GC.  To be down 12 well into the 4th would eat most teams from the inside out.  The plays that were made in the 4th were astoundingly good.  Rewatch!

As for bonehead move... I agree completely.  MOS said in post-game that he liked the call.  Maybe he's just being nice to his friend.  If they run it out they likely get at least to the 25 or 30 on just a normal return.  So the point bought them 5 or 10 yards field position.  Not worth it and likely cost them the wind.  You could say they saved the time of the return, but time really wasn't dire at that point.  They had plenty.

This decision will be talked about for years.  I loved the look on the fans' faces in the stands after that decision.  Even AH & ZC8 were looking like "huh, wha?".

Reinebold finally made a good call for the Blue and Gold?  Too soon?

Awesome!  You win the thread!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 07:06:10 AM
After watching Steinaeurs interview?100% he?s leaving.

Yup, the way he ended it, that was a goodbye forever moment for sure.  Like I said pregame, now he can slink out of town for his big payday.

I think that was the first interception with two bombers assisting

Hehe.  You don't see that much unless it's in the middle of the trenches with a DL tip.

Credit where credit is due on the broadcast team.  PBP was solid.

At least the Arkells guy was a CFL fan and knew what was going on.  And the segment was shorter than the drool fest over Keith Urban.

Yes, Rod Smith did very well, he's grown into the job this year.  He's quite good now (last year he was weak at PBP).  Suits was miffed every time Bombers made plays, so meh for Suits.  But he was no worse than 2019.

Arkells guy in the booth we all were thinking "oh no, not again!".  But yes, he's a fan, knows the team/players and cared.  And yes, very short.  And they didn't miss cutting away to plays like '19.  I guess TSN has these little chats written into the performer contracts.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 13, 2021, 07:08:39 AM
Still hate OT in the CFL.

Huh?  Who does OT better?  It's NFL OT that bites, where it's basically the team that wins the toss wins the game if they don't suck.  See: that crap ending to that Patriots/Falcons game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 11:30:14 AM

No way, uh-uh.  There was no luck on this win.  This was grit, belief, even keel morale, and can-do attitude that won this GC.  To be down 12 well into the 4th would eat most teams from the inside out.  The plays that were made in the 4th were astoundingly good.  Rewatch!



There definitely was some luck.  Two bad ST plays by the TiCats.  A somewhat borderline tourist hit call that killed a drive for them. 

That?s not to say the Bombers didn?t play hard when they needed to, but they got some assistance for sure.  The 2nd and 3rd quarter Bombers did not deserve to win.
 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 12:04:16 PM
There definitely was some luck.  Two bad ST plays by the TiCats.  A somewhat borderline tourist hit call that killed a drive for them. 

That?s not to say the Bombers didn?t play hard when they needed to, but they got some assistance for sure.  The 2nd and 3rd quarter Bombers did not deserve to win.
 

I agree we had some good fortune but that unnecessary roughness penalty was not borderline.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:15:26 PM
I agree we had some good fortune but that unnecessary roughness penalty was not borderline.
Agreed....and to win any championship game this close....(can't get much closer) you need an element of luck.   In OT we actually lost the coin toss so thereby luck was not in our favour....yet we won the coin toss at the start of the game.    In OT our overall experience and leadership came to the fore.....and Harris saved his best for last with 4 consecutive grinding runs up the gut for crucial first downs leading up to Zach's 2 and 10 TD pass to Darwin Adams....who after being our 4th option at receiver most of the season was our most effective and clutch receiver when it mattered the very most.   There was some banter on this forum, during points of the season where some posters wanted his head....however you need veteran presence in a Grey Cup game and he provided that in spades.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Stretch on December 13, 2021, 12:34:44 PM
A somewhat borderline textbook tourist hit call that killed a drive for them. 


Fixed that for you.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 12:43:07 PM
When reviewing  the tale of the stat sheets, this game was very very even stats wise, hence why we ended up in OT!  Hamilton actually edged us in overall rushing albeit Harris was our main weapon grinding out 80 very tough yards on 18 attempts....saving his best for OT.    Hamilton took 8 penalties to our 4 and that holding call in OT set them in a first and 20 position in OT.   That UR penalty also really hurt them as well.   Turnovers were actually even at 3 apiece so no team really had an edge there....
As MOS said on more than one occasion, the game would likely come down to who won the coin toss which we did...and we elected to take the wind in the 4th quarter.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 01:20:39 PM
You have to be good to be lucky. Both teams created turnovers by great work and film study. There weren't a bunch of free plays for either team. If not for the pass knockdown in regular time we probably lose. If was a great defensive play but so close to going in for a TD.

Another example: The early pick on Demski. If he moved forward a half step or a half step to the right, he potentially prevents the pic and comes up with a reception or PI. OTOH Kelly made a great read and then great return. That wasn't luck on his part. It resulted in a swing in points early in the game. Similar to the pic return in the WDF.

Football is a game of inches and both teams make plays. We made 1 more play than the TiCats when it counted.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 13, 2021, 01:42:56 PM
When reviewing  the tale of the stat sheets, this game was very very even stats wise, hence why we ended up in OT!  Hamilton actually edged us in overall rushing albeit Harris was our main weapon grinding out 80 very tough yards on 18 attempts....saving his best for OT.    Hamilton took 8 penalties to our 4 and that holding call in OT set them in a first and 20 position in OT.   That UR penalty also really hurt them as well.   Turnovers were actually even at 3 apiece so no team really had an edge there....
As MOS said on more than one occasion, the game would likely come down to who won the coin toss which we did...and we elected to take the wind in the 4th quarter.


When did he say that? Sorry, I'm a little skeptical he said that in so many words, but I could be wrong. Did the forecast called for the wind to pick up later in the game? Maybe it did, I don't know. But that's the only way I could see him saying that. Otherwise, the only advantage to winning the coin toss is perhaps the psychological one of having the wind behind you in the last quarter and knowing what you need to do. Conversely, it can backfire on you if the wind dies down, which often it does, especially on a late afternoon to evening game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: The Zipp on December 13, 2021, 01:58:26 PM
I couldn't really see the holding call on the Ti-cats in OT...don't care at this point but that was a big play to drive them back.  If i was a Ti-Cat fan I would be wanting to see that one again...

I though Proulx did a decent job calling the game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:09:45 PM
I couldn't really see the holding call on the Ti-cats in OT...don't care at this point but that was a big play to drive them back.  If i was a Ti-Cat fan I would be wanting to see that one again...

I though Proulx did a decent job calling the game.

The one on JT?  It was there, but marginal.  You could see his shoulder pads shift as he was trying to get to Jackson, which would indicate he was being held, but it seemed like one of those things that equally could have not been called under the ?let the players play?.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 02:13:21 PM
The one on JT?  It was there, but marginal.  You could see his shoulder pads shift as he was trying to get to Jackson, which would indicate he was being held, but it seemed like one of those things that equally could have not been called under the ?let the players play?.

Yeah. I wouldn't have been that upset if they didn't call it. I think it was just because it was right at the point of attack and without the hold Thomas for sure gets a hand on him. Who knows if it would have been enough to change the outcome of the play though.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BlueInCgy on December 13, 2021, 02:16:50 PM
Yeah. I wouldn't have been that upset if they didn't call it. I think it was just because it was right at the point of attack and without the hold Thomas for sure gets a hand on him. Who knows if it would have been enough to change the outcome of the play though.

Agreed.  There were definitely more egregious holds on both sides that weren?t called.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TBURGESS on December 13, 2021, 02:53:09 PM
I didn't like the holding call in OT. Marginal at best. They let way more than that go without a flag.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on December 13, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
I didn't like the holding call in OT. Marginal at best. They let way more than that go without a flag.
yes there were likely more egregious holds left uncalled....however this hold was directly at the point of attack and impeded JT from making a play which likely affects the outcome of the play.  I was OK with the call for that reason....and hey it pushed them back another 10 yards which was huge at this stage of the game.   Then the pick Masoli threw into triple coverage was ill advised and al, 3 defenders were involved in making the late game ending pick.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 13, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
I agree we had some good fortune but that unnecessary roughness penalty was not borderline.

The size differential between Rose and the huge idiot hitting him in the back really sold it.  Textbook "tourist hit".


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: theaardvark on December 13, 2021, 05:24:24 PM
I couldn't really see the holding call on the Ti-cats in OT...don't care at this point but that was a big play to drive them back.  If i was a Ti-Cat fan I would be wanting to see that one again...

I though Proulx did a decent job calling the game.

Holding can be called on just about every play, and it rarely does.  But when it directly affects the outcome of the play...

The holding on JT was blatant, and had he not held, JT makes the tackle right there.  This is a call that needed to be made. 

I have no issue with that call, even if it had been called on us in the same circumstances.  That is WHEN holding needs to be called.



As to MOP/MOC, yes, it was almost like it was "no one stood out this game, so we will award them based on this plus 2019...

I would have been happier with Garcia or Nichols for MOP, or JT or Liegghio for MOC...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 13, 2021, 05:36:12 PM
Just watching the game over agin Zachs 2 picks in the 3rd would not a thing of beauty especially the second one.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 05:40:21 PM
Just watching the game over agin Zachs 2 picks in the 3rd would not a thing of beauty especially the second one.

Yes, not one of his best games. Both killed drives that could of made a big impact on this game.

Thankfully, he pulled it together in the 4th. and OT.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
Just watching the game over agin Zachs 2 picks in the 3rd would not a thing of beauty especially the second one.

Wind influenced velocity. Also both were very good defensive plays. Give credit where credit is due. Not every turnover is a bad offensive play per se.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 13, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
Wind influenced velocity. Also both were very good defensive plays. Give credit where credit is due. Not every turnover is a bad offensive play per se.
fare enough


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 13, 2021, 06:30:03 PM
Wind influenced velocity. Also both were very good defensive plays. Give credit where credit is due. Not every turnover is a bad offensive play per se.

Back to back weeks where weather played a factor in turnovers.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 06:32:07 PM
Wind influenced velocity. Also both were very good defensive plays. Give credit where credit is due. Not every turnover is a bad offensive play per se.
 

Totally disagree. The second Int. We had two receivers in the area, ZC8 over threw the first receiver and under threw the second one. Would be nice to know which one he was actually throwing to.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 06:43:54 PM
 

Totally disagree. The second Int. We had two receivers in the area, ZC8 over threw the first receiver and under threw the second one. Would be nice to know which one he was actually throwing to.

In the post game Collaros said that on the first interception Mark Washington made an excellent play call and the defender played it perfectly. The second interception he described as an in inexcusable throw.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 13, 2021, 07:19:10 PM
My belief is, the Ham player is playing in his first game, he is an American, he was under pressure from the situation, he simply had a brain cramp and knelt down not realizing in the CFL that is a rouge, in the states it's no points and the ball comes out to the 25 yard line. Simply is an American not knowing or forgetting about the rouge.
^this


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Waffler on December 13, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
IMO the Ham player made the decision on his own. He caught the ball started up field, then stopped about 2 yards in the end zone and knelt down. You sense the confusion from the fans and the Ticats themselves, they were like *** just happened.

From Hamilton news:
Steinauer said the club had told returner Tim White to make the decision whether to concede that single point once he saw the ball in the air and said he was fine with White?s choice.

My reaction is shock. A coach said play it however you want? and further, they have a returner that doesn't believe he can break one every time? Most guys play with a chip on their shoulder and bring that out automatically.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 13, 2021, 07:53:05 PM
From Hamilton news:
Steinauer said the club had told returner Tim White to make the decision whether to concede that single point once he saw the ball in the air and said he was fine with White?s choice.

My reaction is shock. A coach said play it however you want? and further, they have a returner that doesn't believe he can break one every time? Most guys play with a chip on their shoulder and bring that out automatically.
Very strange form them to say the least! He had room to run!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 13, 2021, 07:54:57 PM
From Hamilton news:
Steinauer said the club had told returner Tim White to make the decision whether to concede that single point once he saw the ball in the air and said he was fine with White?s choice.

My reaction is shock. A coach said play it however you want? and further, they have a returner that doesn't believe he can break one every time? Most guys play with a chip on their shoulder and bring that out automatically.

Coach seems like he's trusting the player to make the best decision. If it's a kick that's fielded at deep in the end zone, taking a knee probably makes sense. If he nearly on the one, you run it out if it looks like the kick cover team hasn't got down yet.

Giving the player the option isn't the worst thing. It was a very questionable decision to kneel it right near the goal line with what looked like room to run it out though. I'd put that more on the player than the coach.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Waffler on December 13, 2021, 07:56:14 PM
I never heard anyone mention similarities to the wind bowl of 1965. Also Bombers vs Ticats. We gave up 3 safeties in that one rather than punt into the wind. All the scoring was with the wind. Zero points into it.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 07:58:57 PM
 

Totally disagree. The second Int. We had two receivers in the area, ZC8 over threw the first receiver and under threw the second one. Would be nice to know which one he was actually throwing to.

Which part of wind influence did you miss? The wind was clearly impeding velocity and accuracy for both QB's. In some cases the ball was pushed down, in some cases it floated up.  Both QB's were also under quite a bit of pressure from the front 7.

That 2nd int there were two receivers at different depths. It appeared the throw was to the deeper receiver but Kelly undercut the route and made the pick. Again, very good read by the DB and they are paid to make plays too.

Several completions by both QB's were contested by the defence in small windows. The difference between a reception, in-completion or int is the communication between the QB and the receiver assuming the QB is " time " to throw etc etc.

As in the OPI by Lawler his awareness of the situation to prevent an int also comes into play.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 08:02:00 PM
In the post game Collaros said that on the first interception Mark Washington made an excellent play call and the defender played it perfectly. The second interception he described as an in inexcusable throw.

It wasn't his best throw of the night.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TBURGESS on December 13, 2021, 08:02:44 PM
One of the turning points of the game was when the Ticat received the ball in the Endzone and took a knee. That ball would most likely have gone through the endzone without being touched, which would have given Hamilton the win by a point in regular time. (Ball on the 25 instead of the 35 wouldn't have made any difference to kicking the FG.)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 13, 2021, 08:03:09 PM
Coach seems like he's trusting the player to make the best decision. If it's a kick that's fielded at deep in the end zone, taking a knee probably makes sense. If he nearly on the one, you run it out if it looks like the kick cover team hasn't got down yet.

Giving the player the option isn't the worst thing. It was a very questionable decision to kneel it right near the goal line with what looked like room to run it out though. I'd put that more on the player than the coach.

Yes and no. In this particular case giving up a point was critical in the overall thinking of what should have happened. Field position into the wind was also weighing large for the returner. However we've seen kicks into the end zone returned the length of the field. No perfect answer.

I'm not sure if he would have been able to get the ball past the 20 yard line or been tackled inside the 15 yard line. Hindsight is perfect.

I'll have a better idea after I re-watch the game but the feeling at the time was it was a mistake to not make the effort considering the score.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: theaardvark on December 13, 2021, 08:06:29 PM
From Hamilton news:
Steinauer said the club had told returner Tim White to make the decision whether to concede that single point once he saw the ball in the air and said he was fine with White?s choice.

My reaction is shock. A coach said play it however you want? and further, they have a returner that doesn't believe he can break one every time? Most guys play with a chip on their shoulder and bring that out automatically.

He was starting the the endzone, but had room to start out.  But he knows the Bombers have a great cover team, and were coming downhill with a vengeance.  Taking a knee means a start at the 35, and no chance of a strip of fumble on the return.  He could have been blown up at the 15, or worse, fumbled or stripped (a very high incidence of turnovers on runbacks of late).

And yes, making it a three point game takes the FG off the board for the win, but they were heading into the wind.  There is no way they are looking to score a FG to win the game... they are counting on a major score there.  And that is a lot more likely starting at the 35...

I get the concept.  But does this affect the chances of Reinebold getting Steinhauer's job when he moves on?  I'm thinking it does... Condell or Washington will get the job... if they want it...

We don't know what the cover team looked like from his standpoint.  That would be an awesome picture to have.  What was he looking at when he decided to take a knee?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: longtimeblue on December 13, 2021, 08:28:44 PM
He was starting the the endzone, but had room to start out.  But he knows the Bombers have a great cover team, and were coming downhill with a vengeance.  Taking a knee means a start at the 35, and no chance of a strip of fumble on the return.  He could have been blown up at the 15, or worse, fumbled or stripped (a very high incidence of turnovers on runbacks of late).

And yes, making it a three point game takes the FG off the board for the win, but they were heading into the wind.  There is no way they are looking to score a FG to win the game... they are counting on a major score there.  And that is a lot more likely starting at the 35...

I get the concept.  But does this affect the chances of Reinebold getting Steinhauer's job when he moves on?  I'm thinking it does... Condell or Washington will get the job... if they want it...

We don't know what the cover team looked like from his standpoint.  That would be an awesome picture to have.  What was he looking at when he decided to take a knee?

 If Steinhauer left that decision up to the player, then that takes luck out of the equation. His thinking was play for a touchdown or take the FG and win in OT. It was a bad call. A coaching error. Average return on a shallow endzone KO is out around the 20-25. As it was, the Cats almost scored a TD. Which makes it look better.
 Smart coaching would be to run it out and leave the FG win on the table. The kneel down to gain 10 or 15 yards of field position was a bad coaching decision.

 MOS runs that thing out every time. If it's deep, let it go and hope it goes through. Concede if it doesn't. If it's shallow, run it out. If they return it, they probably win.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: longtimeblue on December 13, 2021, 08:56:48 PM
 I'm seeing lots of online stuff. Hamilton deserved to win. If only. No they didn't. Ticats won the toss and chose to defend
and couldn't pull it off. Bombers marched it down in overtime and added the 2 point convert. The better team made plays when they had to. This cements the short Collaros legacy. Guy had a tough game in tough conditions and pulled it together for a game winning score. Well deserved MVP. Pay this guy. And start looking for a backup that can play more than a short yardage role. Collaros goes down in that game, it's bye bye cup. We've seen what Mcguire can do.

 Hamilton's ability to bring in a backup and still compete so well should be a wakeup call.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 09:10:21 PM
He was starting the the endzone, but had room to start out.  But he knows the Bombers have a great cover team, and were coming downhill with a vengeance.  Taking a knee means a start at the 35, and no chance of a strip of fumble on the return.  He could have been blown up at the 15, or worse, fumbled or stripped (a very high incidence of turnovers on runbacks of late).

And yes, making it a three point game takes the FG off the board for the win, but they were heading into the wind.  There is no way they are looking to score a FG to win the game... they are counting on a major score there.  And that is a lot more likely starting at the 35...

I get the concept.  But does this affect the chances of Reinebold getting Steinhauer's job when he moves on?  I'm thinking it does... Condell or Washington will get the job... if they want it...

We don't know what the cover team looked like from his standpoint.  That would be an awesome picture to have.  What was he looking at when he decided to take a knee?

A return also would have used up seconds on the clock. I was more surprised that Hamilton moved down the field as quickly as they did.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 13, 2021, 09:12:39 PM
He was starting the the endzone, but had room to start out.  But he knows the Bombers have a great cover team, and were coming downhill with a vengeance.  Taking a knee means a start at the 35, and no chance of a strip of fumble on the return.  He could have been blown up at the 15, or worse, fumbled or stripped (a very high incidence of turnovers on runbacks of late).

And yes, making it a three point game takes the FG off the board for the win, but they were heading into the wind.  There is no way they are looking to score a FG to win the game... they are counting on a major score there.  And that is a lot more likely starting at the 35...

I get the concept.  But does this affect the chances of Reinebold getting Steinhauer's job when he moves on?  I'm thinking it does... Condell or Washington will get the job... if they want it...


I don't think Reinebold is looking for a HC job, he's happy as a duck in water being STC and he'll stay in that position as long as they'll have him.  It's unfortunate things didn't work out for him in Wpg. but I've learned to respect him, he's a very cool guy.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 13, 2021, 09:13:49 PM
I don't think Reinebold is looking for a HC job, he's happy as a duck in water being STC and he'll stay in that position as long as they'll have him.  It's unfortunate things didn't work out for him in Wpg. but I've learned to respect him, he's a very cool guy.
oh he is definitely cool 8) Lol


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 13, 2021, 09:16:52 PM
From Hamilton news:
Steinauer said the club had told returner Tim White to make the decision whether to concede that single point once he saw the ball in the air and said he was fine with White?s choice.

My reaction is shock. A coach said play it however you want? and further, they have a returner that doesn't believe he can break one every time? Most guys play with a chip on their shoulder and bring that out automatically.

If you watch the highlight of this play, you can see the Bombers kick off and start going down field. When the camera moves to the end zone to show the returner, the Bomber players would only be between the 55 and the Hamilton 50 when the returner fielded the kick 1-2 yards in his end zone, he had enough room to run it out to t least the 30 before any Bomber would of had a chance to tackle him. I don't buy that coach O told him you decide if you want to bring it out or take a knee. I think this is just coach O not wanting to throw the Ham player under the bus and took the blame for this mistake.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kronic on December 13, 2021, 09:17:51 PM
My guess is Steinhauer is taking the blame for the player messing up simply because he doesn?t want to throw him under the bus publicly. That?s what good coaches do.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: longtimeblue on December 13, 2021, 09:21:37 PM
If you watch the highlight of this play, you can see the Bombers kick off and start going down field. When the camera moves to the end zone to show the returner, the Bomber players would only be between the 55 and the Hamilton 50 when the returner fielded the kick 1-2 yards in his end zone, he had enough room to run it out to t least the 30 before any Bomber would of had a chance to tackle him. I don't buy that coach O told him you decide if you want to bring it out or take a knee. I think this is just coach O not wanting to throw the Ham player under the bus and took the blame for this mistake.

 This. I agree. I think he just went with his American football instincts and thought touchback. Ball on the 25. CFL rules are still a novelty to a lot of these players.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: longtimeblue on December 13, 2021, 09:30:57 PM
 We need to get past this single point thing. In my opinion, the player was not properly coached for that situation.

 The bigger picture is that Hamilton had an opportunity to score the winning touchdown. What where they? 1st and goal from the 5? Couldn't do it. Bombers scored the winning TD.

 Grey Cup. No luck involved. Whining Cat fans all over social media. Cry me a river.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 13, 2021, 10:31:57 PM
Overlooked in all this discussion was MOS decision to take the safety and kick the ball off vs punt from the end zone into the wind. Assuming cats make th field goal, that?s giving up an extra point, which would have meant we lost.

Game was a hard fought battle with many ups and downs, glad we won it


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Waffler on December 13, 2021, 10:52:59 PM
Overlooked in all this discussion was MOS decision to take the safety and kick the ball off vs punt from the end zone into the wind. Assuming cats make th field goal, that?s giving up an extra point, which would have meant we lost.

Game was a hard fought battle with many ups and downs, glad we won it

Yes. speaking of that why doesn't anyone squib the kickoff anymore?  Better against a strong wind?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 13, 2021, 10:53:36 PM
Overlooked in all this discussion was MOS decision to take the safety and kick the ball off vs punt from the end zone into the wind. Assuming cats make th field goal, that?s giving up an extra point, which would have meant we lost.

Game was a hard fought battle with many ups and downs, glad we won it

Not gaining a first down on the play before that punt at the end of the 3rd Q was a real low point, they left too much time on the clock for the Ti-Cats to score with the wind at their backs.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: jeremy q public on December 13, 2021, 11:41:54 PM
From Hamilton news:
Steinauer said the club had told returner Tim White to make the decision whether to concede that single point once he saw the ball in the air and said he was fine with White?s choice.

My reaction is shock. A coach said play it however you want? and further, they have a returner that doesn't believe he can break one every time? Most guys play with a chip on their shoulder and bring that out automatically.

If Tim White's instinct when looking at 40 yards of grass in front of him was to kneel, he has no business returning kicks.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: oskee woot woot on December 14, 2021, 12:53:13 AM
We need to get past this single point thing. In my opinion, the player was not properly coached for that situation.

 The bigger picture is that Hamilton had an opportunity to score the winning touchdown. What where they? 1st and goal from the 5? Couldn't do it. Bombers scored the winning TD.

 Grey Cup. No luck involved. Whining Cat fans all over social media. Cry me a river.

As a Ticat fan, this actually bothered me more then the single point. They should have tried to win or lose the game in those last seconds. What's the difference between that and going to overtime? Overtime has too many variables over an extended period of time. The Cats seemed deflated in overtime from not winning it then and there and the Bombers had more energy.  They should have left it to just that one play. Win it or lose it.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on December 14, 2021, 04:07:14 AM
White may have lost the game for the Ticats but the same could have been said about Acklin not being able to hold on for the TD catch in the 4th.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: oskee woot woot on December 14, 2021, 04:33:16 AM
White may have lost the game for the Ticats but the same could have been said about Acklin not being able to hold on for the TD catch in the 4th.

In real time, and sitting right in the corner of the stadium where that play happened, it looked more like a really good defensive play by the Bomber defender rather than anything Acklin did. Mind you, I haven't watched a replay yet. Just going by my in-game experience.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 14, 2021, 04:48:02 AM
As a Ticat fan, this actually bothered me more then the single point. They should have tried to win or lose the game in those last seconds. What's the difference between that and going to overtime? Overtime has too many variables over an extended period of time. The Cats seemed deflated in overtime from not winning it then and there and the Bombers had more energy.  They should have left it to just that one play. Win it or lose it.

I was waiting for someone to say this!  I 100% agree.  The book says you tie it and go into OT.  But who here doubted WPG would win in OT?  I knew instantly we were going to win.

Look at Lapo in the final OTT game.  He can go for 1 to tie and then lose it in OT because he had the worse team.  But he went for 2 to win because really that was his only chance to win.  He was honest with himself.

So hear me out: HAM was the worse team.  Not by much, but worse.

Look at it like a casino.  The house is favored on all rolls or spins, not by much, but just enough.  The house (here, WPG) can lose to one player over a brief period of time (HAM winning for most of the game).  But the more you play, the more the house odds will factor in and if you play enough, you're going to lose.

HAM had their "good luck" as they went beyond the averages of their players' potential for 3 quarters.  But the game was 4 quarters, and the slightly better average capability of our players allowed us to catch up.  Going into OT was pressing the bet against the house.  The odds were in our favor.

Oskee puts the exclamation on it by pointing out the morale situation (and, I'll add, momentum).  HAM looked like they were ready to roll over and die on the sidelines before and during OT.  Coach O should have read the team.

Yes, Oskee, the correct move was to put it all on the line on 3rd & 5 and go for the TD.  It's practically a 2 point convert, which is what HAM is supposed to be the best at!  Surely they had a ton of gadget plays to draw from.  See, at that point they still had momentum, morale and hope.  They had just driven the field!  You go for it all like Lapo, you walk away heroes or you get crucified for the "dumb decision to go for it".  Maybe choosing OT is the coward's way out: no one will lambast you for that, since you're following the book.  But it didn't give HAM the best chance to win.

(P.S. I would have made that decision before 1st down at the 5 and decided to go for 3 high-percentage run plays, or QB option / shovels.  You can bet WPG would do 2-3 run plays in that situation: 2 to get close to the 1 and then sneak.  If WPG loads the box on 1st like we did, you do something outside the tackles like HAM did all game.  And you get yourself a better powerback who can still get 1-2 off a stuffed box, like AH33.  Maybe STE would have been the better choice over Don.)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 14, 2021, 04:57:00 AM
In real time, and sitting right in the corner of the stadium where that play happened, it looked more like a really good defensive play by the Bomber defender rather than anything Acklin did. Mind you, I haven't watched a replay yet. Just going by my in-game experience.

You are 100% correct again.  Nichols made the same level of play on that ball as Jones did on Jones in 2019.  Both plays could have won the game.  People who aren't paying close attention don't see it and thus think it was just Jones dropping it and Acklin dropping it.  They're wrong.

Nichols gets literally his fingertips on it by maybe 1 or 2 inches.  The ball deflects maybe 5-10 inches right in front of Acklin and he has no time to adjust.

Nichols kind of won the game twice for us!  I agree with Aards, that Nichols might have been a better MVP choice.  I wasn't paying enough attention to numbers during the rest of the game to see if Nichols made (or botched) more plays, but if he did make more plays, he should have had MVP.  (Though I'm fine with ZC8 getting it too, but for different reasons: mental toughness, leadership, poise, grit.)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 14, 2021, 04:59:47 AM
Overlooked in all this discussion was MOS decision to take the safety and kick the ball off vs punt from the end zone into the wind. Assuming cats make th field goal, that?s giving up an extra point, which would have meant we lost.

Yup, I was wondering about that decision.  Goes to show why "In MOS We Trust", eh?  It was the right move.  Sure, we only gained 20-35 yards net in trade for those 2 points (because we still had to kick off into the wind), but it was the correct "book" play, correct for the MOS philosophy, and worked out.

But, man, giving up 2 points at that point to go down more than TD+FG was painful.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 14, 2021, 05:03:59 AM
I don't buy that coach O told him you decide if you want to bring it out or take a knee. I think this is just coach O not wanting to throw the Ham player under the bus and took the blame for this mistake.

Very likely, yes, Coach O standing up for his player.

BUT... in MOS's post-game sit-down presser, he said it was smart and he would have done the same.  Now, Coach O might stand up for his player, but is this MOS standing up for his good (and horribly defeated) friend??  Maybe?  That seems like a stretch.

Every CFL fan went apoplectic at that exact moment.  Riderfans were blowing up.  HAM fans looked crazed and bewildered in the stands.  WPG players looked confused.  WPG fans all posting "huh??".  So the only 2 people in the CFL world who thought it was smart was Coach O and MOS??  Oh ya, and apparently the returner.

Oh, if MOS did that and we lost because of it... we'd be going off right about now.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 14, 2021, 05:07:26 AM
Hamilton's ability to bring in a backup and still compete so well should be a wakeup call.

Well, maybe not as critical when you have our OL and a QB who smartly doesn't run at all.  Think of our QB as Ricky Ray.

The bigger question is: does HAM let Masoli walk or Evans walk?  I thought it was going to be Masoli, but when push came to shove, Masoli got the job done better than anyone would have dreamed while Evans sat mildly injured on the sidelines.  I'm a Masoli fan, I'd keep Masoli.  Evans is still just a kid: good future, but not capable of winning at GC yet.

The league is hurting for good QBs.  I can't see any situation HAM retains both QBs next year.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 14, 2021, 05:09:56 AM
When did he say that? Sorry, I'm a little skeptical he said that in so many words, but I could be wrong. Did the forecast called for the wind to pick up later in the game? Maybe it did, I don't know. But that's the only way I could see him saying that.

He didn't say it exactly as paraphrased, but it was close.  In the long sit-down presser post-game, MOS did say that having won the toss there was no way he wasn't taking the wind in the 4th.  He basically said it was of great importance.

I questioned his choice, as that gives HAM the extra chance to get momentum in the 1st and 3rd and be up by too much to overcome.  But MOS, once again, was right.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 14, 2021, 01:15:36 PM
White may have lost the game for the Ticats but the same could have been said about Acklin not being able to hold on for the TD catch in the 4th.

Nichols got a hand on that pass, which made it difficult for Acklin for pull it in. That was a huge play by Nichols to hold the marching Ti-Cats to a FG.

The fact is one play didn't really determine the outcome of the game. This was a hard fought battle for most of the night, with key plays throughout.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 14, 2021, 01:28:49 PM
As a Ticat fan, this actually bothered me more then the single point. They should have tried to win or lose the game in those last seconds. What's the difference between that and going to overtime? Overtime has too many variables over an extended period of time. The Cats seemed deflated in overtime from not winning it then and there and the Bombers had more energy.  They should have left it to just that one play. Win it or lose it.

That's the benefit of hindsight. Hamilton could have just as easily won in OT and then it would have been a good call to go for the field goal.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 14, 2021, 01:41:11 PM
That's the benefit of hindsight. Hamilton could have just as easily won in OT and then it would have been a good call to go for the field goal.

I'm still surprised they didn't opt to start OT on offense.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 14, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
I'm still surprised they didn't opt to start OT on offense.

Teams seldom make that choice. They want to know what they have to achieve in their matching series. If the opponent only scores a FG and they are 3 and 4 then they kick a matching FG. In the case of the Grey Cup, they knew they had to score a TD and 2 pointer to continue, so it was 3 down football.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 14, 2021, 05:01:46 PM
He didn't say it exactly as paraphrased, but it was close.  In the long sit-down presser post-game, MOS did say that having won the toss there was no way he wasn't taking the wind in the 4th.  He basically said it was of great importance.

I questioned his choice, as that gives HAM the extra chance to get momentum in the 1st and 3rd and be up by too much to overcome.  But MOS, once again, was right.


In the post game context, I agree it was close. However, those comments came soon after the game while his sweatshirt was still drenched in gatorade. I would suggest he may say something a little bit different with regards to the coin toss after he sobered up from the win. If we'd lost he wouldn't have said anything about it. Same if we'd lost the coin toss, win or lose the game.

I guess my issue is there is this narrative out there now that the coin toss was this big determining factor in outcome of the game (check out the editorials in today's Sun). It wasn't and it's not. Except, if you have information the wind will change sometime during game. I just think some people are overstating the impact of winning the coin toss. I will concede there is a psychological advantage to having the wind in the final quarter, but not physical. 

The only professional league where winning a coin toss can virtually determine the outcome of a game is...... Yup, the mighty, flawless NFL.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Horseman on December 14, 2021, 06:41:01 PM
In the post game context, I agree it was close. However, those comments came soon after the game while his sweatshirt was still drenched in gatorade. I would suggest he may say something a little bit different with regards to the coin toss after he sobered up from the win. If we'd lost he wouldn't have said anything about it. Same if we'd lost the coin toss, win or lose the game.

I guess my issue is there is this narrative out there now that the coin toss was this big determining factor in outcome of the game (check out the editorials in today's Sun). It wasn't and it's not. Except, if you have information the wind will change sometime during game. I just think some people are overstating the impact of winning the coin toss. I will concede there is a psychological advantage to having the wind in the final quarter, but not physical. 

The only professional league where winning a coin toss can virtually determine the outcome of a game is...... Yup, the mighty, flawless NFL.

The wind is much more than a psychological advantage, having played in a number of games where there was a strong wind, you indeed take the wind in the 4th quarter without question if you have the choice. Trying to throw into the wind is the same as the old saying goes, ******* into the wind, it gets hung up and blown backwards.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: GCn19 on December 14, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
In the post game context, I agree it was close. However, those comments came soon after the game while his sweatshirt was still drenched in gatorade. I would suggest he may say something a little bit different with regards to the coin toss after he sobered up from the win. If we'd lost he wouldn't have said anything about it. Same if we'd lost the coin toss, win or lose the game.

I guess my issue is there is this narrative out there now that the coin toss was this big determining factor in outcome of the game (check out the editorials in today's Sun). It wasn't and it's not. Except, if you have information the wind will change sometime during game. I just think some people are overstating the impact of winning the coin toss. I will concede there is a psychological advantage to having the wind in the final quarter, but not physical. 

The only professional league where winning a coin toss can virtually determine the outcome of a game is...... Yup, the mighty, flawless NFL.

Very seldom do you get a 40mph cold wind in pro sports but when you do it's a factor. However, if we had lost the coin toss it would have been paramount that we construct a lead that is insurmountable in the 2nd and 3rd Qs.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: oskee woot woot on December 14, 2021, 08:08:13 PM
That's the benefit of hindsight. Hamilton could have just as easily won in OT and then it would have been a good call to go for the field goal.

It's not really a hindsight thing for me, though. I remember thinking at the time they should just go for it. I didn't like our chances in OT. I knew Winnipeg would have more poise and momentum from the deep red zone stop.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 14, 2021, 08:31:35 PM
It's not really a hindsight thing for me, though. I remember thinking at the time they should just go for it. I didn't like our chances in OT. I knew Winnipeg would have more poise and momentum from the deep red zone stop.

Sean Thomas Erlington seems to be a good runner near the goal line, I see he had no stats, was he even dressed?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 14, 2021, 08:41:03 PM
It's not really a hindsight thing for me, though. I remember thinking at the time they should just go for it. I didn't like our chances in OT. I knew Winnipeg would have more poise and momentum from the deep red zone stop.

Yeah. Fair enough. Could have made that call for sure. However, if you try it and are stopped then you have a ton of people saying why didn't you go to overtime and use the crowd to your advantage, who knows what happens, etc. etc.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: bomb squad on December 14, 2021, 08:47:03 PM
The wind is much more than a psychological advantage, having played in a number of games where there was a strong wind, you indeed take the wind in the 4th quarter without question if you have the choice. Trying to throw into the wind is the same as the old saying goes, ******* into the wind, it gets hung up and blown backwards.

Oh, it's harder to throw against the wind? Who'd of thunk it? I bet the kicking is harder too, huh?  Thanks for the info. Now, how is having the wind in the 4th quarter more than a psychological advantage?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: ichabod_crane on December 14, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Well, maybe not as critical when you have our OL and a QB who smartly doesn't run at all.  Think of our QB as Ricky Ray.

The bigger question is: does HAM let Masoli walk or Evans walk?  I thought it was going to be Masoli, but when push came to shove, Masoli got the job done better than anyone would have dreamed while Evans sat mildly injured on the sidelines.  I'm a Masoli fan, I'd keep Masoli.  Evans is still just a kid: good future, but not capable of winning at GC yet.

The league is hurting for good QBs.  I can't see any situation HAM retains both QBs next year.


I was actually expecting Collaros to scramble out a bit more the longer the Bombers stayed behind. Not sure if their offence really has any QB draws in the playbook for him or he would just adlib if there was a huge opening in front of him. No use holding back in the penultimate game of the year if that is what was going to be required.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: oskee woot woot on December 14, 2021, 09:11:36 PM
Yeah. Fair enough. Could have made that call for sure. However, if you try it and are stopped then you have a ton of people saying why didn't you go to overtime and use the crowd to your advantage, who knows what happens, etc. etc.

For sure he would be second guessed. But it would be the right call. You're most likely needing a TD to win in OT anyway (not to mention a 2pt convert). Why not just get that TD in regulation when you're a few yards from the goal line?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: BigBlueCrew on December 14, 2021, 09:23:10 PM
Overlooked in all this discussion was MOS decision to take the safety and kick the ball off vs punt from the end zone into the wind. Assuming cats make th field goal, that?s giving up an extra point, which would have meant we lost.

Game was a hard fought battle with many ups and downs, glad we won it

Hamilton actually did get a field goal on the drive right after the safety. So really, had we just punted we would have saved 2 points.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: ichabod_crane on December 14, 2021, 09:59:21 PM
Hamilton actually did get a field goal on the drive right after the safety. So really, had we just punted we would have saved 2 points.

POTENTIALLY. They could have been deep on the Bombers side of the field if they punted out of the end zone. May have been a TD instead of FG. We will never know though. I agreed with the call at the time. Field position imperative with O'Shea always. The FG they later got was in the early 4th and into the wind.

Much more questionable are those two rouges Cats gave up on kickoffs. First one he misjudged and went off his finger tips for a single. So maybe more fluke than anything, although if he seen it was going to roar through should have never made a play on the ball and Bombers get ZERO points. Second one he had a ton of room to run from my view of the live play and later replay. Saved a few extra seconds, but may have even gotten past the 35 to start. Again we will never know, but even most Cats fans from the tv shots were a bit stunned at that call. Getting down to the Bombers 30 yard line would have won them the game potentially with a FG if just down by 2 even into the wind.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 14, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
For sure he would be second guessed. But it would be the right call. You're most likely needing a TD to win in OT anyway (not to mention a 2pt convert). Why not just get that TD in regulation when you're a few yards from the goal line?

Fair enough. I see the logic and fortune usually favors the bold!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 16, 2021, 04:44:04 AM
Very seldom do you get a 40mph cold wind in pro sports but when you do it's a factor. However, if we had lost the coin toss it would have been paramount that we construct a lead that is insurmountable in the 2nd and 3rd Qs.

Yes, and not doing that was HAM's #2 mistake (#1 was all the rouges).  They should have been up 15+ to start the 4th.

It was like a MOS spider had spun his funnel web and was just waiting for HAM to start tumbling down...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 16, 2021, 04:52:21 AM
Teams seldom make that choice. They want to know what they have to achieve in their matching series. If the opponent only scores a FG and they are 3 and 4 then they kick a matching FG. In the case of the Grey Cup, they knew they had to score a TD and 2 pointer to continue, so it was 3 down football.

Good point.  The collective wisdom is you always want to go 2nd in OT.  Always.  I've never seen anyone elect to go 1st.

But look at what happened to HAM... our O scoring and getting the 2pter simply destroyed HAM morale and any momentum from their regulation-ending drive.  Banks sulking and pouting on the sidelines.

Should HAM have elected to go 1st??  They had a bit of momentum and their morale wasn't destroyed quite yet.

Going 2nd works great when the other team just gets a FG (the usual outcome).  But when they get a TD, or worse TD+2pt, then your team can start worrying or doubting or getting nervous.  That can affect the play and it kind of becomes self-fulfilling.

It's an interesting thought exercise when you factor in morale, and maybe there's some stats to back it up.  Maybe conventional wisdom is wrong, or not so cut and dried.

Maybe HAM was doomed either way!  Actually, given what I've written before, I believe that to be so.  But they might have done a bit better by going 1st.  (Or going for it on 3rd and 5.)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 16, 2021, 01:18:05 PM
Re-watched the game yesterday. Knowing the outcome took the anxiety out of watching and got to just enjoy the play of the game.

So many outstanding plays by both teams. There were many turning points in the seesaw battle. Any one of which could have been the deciding play. Of course the ones that happen at the end made the earlier ones irrelevant at that point. The knockdown forcing OT and then the int obviously " decided " the game.

Can't say enough about our team finding a way to close the game with the victory. Hamilton played a very good game and were within inches of winning a few times.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 16, 2021, 01:46:01 PM
Re-watched the game yesterday. Knowing the outcome took the anxiety out of watching and got to just enjoy the play of the game.

So many outstanding plays by both teams. There were many turning points in the seesaw battle. Any one of which could have been the deciding play. Of course the ones that happen at the end made the earlier ones irrelevant at that point. The knockdown forcing OT and then the int obviously " decided " the game.

Can't say enough about our team finding a way to close the game with the victory. Hamilton played a very good game and were within inches of winning a few times.

An absolute classic championship game by any standard and a fantastic way to cap off the 2021 season. Big plays, momentum swings, some drama, overtime...  As a CFL fan, it's hard to ask for much more than that.

As a fan of this team, I couldn't ask for more. ;D


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 16, 2021, 03:16:16 PM
An absolute classic championship game by any standard and a fantastic way to cap off the 2021 season. Big plays, momentum swings, some drama, overtime...  As a CFL fan, it's hard to ask for much more than that.

As a fan of this team, I couldn't ask for more. ;D

I could have asked for a 28 -0 lead by the end of 1Q :) I'm too old for that much stress.

My guess is that fans other than Bomber or Ti-Cats really would have enjoyed the game. For fans of the teams involved it was nail biting to the very end.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 16, 2021, 05:53:23 PM
I could have asked for a 28 -0 lead by the end of 1Q :) I'm too old for that much stress.

My guess is that fans other than Bomber or Ti-Cats really would have enjoyed the game. For fans of the teams involved it was nail biting to the very end.

Oh, I was nervous as could be going into the 4th quarter but still had a pretty good feeling based on how incredibly well the Bombers were in 4th quarters all season. ;D

Strictly from an entertainment standpoint, though, that was the kind of game the CFL needed on its biggest stage.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 17, 2021, 01:05:32 AM
My guess is that fans other than Bomber or Ti-Cats really would have enjoyed the game. For fans of the teams involved it was nail biting to the very end.

You bet!  I watch every CFL game, every year.  Obviously I'm not as excited when it's not WPG playing.  But games like this are always great fun and get me revved up and yelling at the screen even when it's just other teams.  I would have loved watching this game play out as it did even if it wasn't WPG.

Yes, great for the CFL!  Anyone who didn't tune in to watch the "rematch" missed out on a game for the ages.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 19, 2021, 02:24:16 AM
Winner of the internet on the Riderfans forum GC GDT:

greenrider55:
Proulx is reffing the game and looks like he?s feeling every emotion at once

(Rewatch the pre-game when they announce Proulx as head ref, then reread the above comment.)

Pure gold!!  I don't even know how Proulx pulls that face every year!

https://www.riderfans.com/forum/forum/main-forum/788260-gdt-2021-grey-cup-bombers-vs-ticats/page4


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 19, 2021, 02:33:13 AM
Also, gotta say something about Proulx's crew: they did an excellent job.  They didn't "let the boys play" as much as 2019, but also didn't go crazy.  The only ticky-tack calls IMHO was the half-second HTTF call on Bryant (his first in years?), and HAM's first hold.

If you thought the other calls were weak, go back and watch the replays.  I thought they were weak too, but they are obvious and justified when you rewatch.

Did we actually make it through a CFL game with neither side being called for DPI or IC?  Amazing.  There was that OPI but it was smart, justified and not dangerous.


And in the end it was Rod Smith and Suits in the booth.  I think we all guessed that ahead of time after Blackie quit.  Rod really upped his PBP game this year and is now quite good after a rather weak start at the job in 2019.  Barker got better as the year moved on, too.  Chesie has improved a whack ton and I really enjoy him now.  BLM actually wasn't bad as guest... I have a strange feeling that's going to be his full time job in 2022 based on some of his comments.  Slurpie Boy screwing up Duthie's pick was pretty funny.  Only Barker & BLM picked HAM to win.


The all-day Sat and Sun coverage was OK.  Not as good as 2019, but probably covid-suppressed.  Milt still has the moves!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: oskee woot woot on December 19, 2021, 02:40:41 AM
Also, gotta say something about Proulx's crew: they did an excellent job.  They didn't "let the boys play" as much as 2019, but also didn't go crazy.  The only ticky-tack calls IMHO was the half-second HTTF call on Bryant (his first in years?), and HAM's first hold.

If you thought the other calls were weak, go back and watch the replays.  I thought they were weak too, but they are obvious and justified when you rewatch.

Did we actually make it through a CFL game with neither side being called for DPI or IC?  Amazing.  There was that OPI but it was smart, justified and not dangerous.


And in the end it was Rod Smith and Suits in the booth.  I think we all guessed that ahead of time after Blackie quit.  Rod really upped his PBP game this year and is now quite good after a rather weak start at the job in 2019.  Barker got better as the year moved on, too.  Chesie has improved a whack ton and I really enjoy him now.  BLM actually wasn't bad as guest... I have a strange feeling that's going to be his full time job in 2022 based on some of his comments.  Slurpie Boy screwing up Duthie's pick was pretty funny.  Only Barker & BLM picked HAM to win.


The all-day Sat and Sun coverage was OK.  Not as good as 2019, but probably covid-suppressed.  Milt still has the moves!


I agree the refs were solid. Even ref-hating Ticat fans didn't have much to complain about. It was pretty fairly called for both teams, and most calls made were ones that had to be called. I've never hated Proulx as much as most people, so was ok with him officiating this one.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 19, 2021, 02:41:41 AM
Riderfans brings up another great point: Why wasn't Speedy B back there to return that final KO in the 4th?  Your game on the line and you leave 3rd stringer T.White returning?  Huh?

#1. Speedy B was a full-time returner for years and knows intimately what you do in each KO situation.  T.White has no clue what to do.

#2. Speedy B gives you your best chance at busting a massive return or KO TD.

#3. Speedy B scares the cover team.  White scares no one.

#4. Rob Speedy B of his chance at 2014 redemption??

Come to think of it... what if Speedy B pouting in OT was mainly because he was denied the chance to KO return for the win??

What's the only downside to Speedy B returning there?  He might get hurt?  He wasn't used much on that final drive anyhow.  We took Speedy B away all night.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 19, 2021, 03:46:26 PM
Which ever team ending up winning the Grey Cup would have been full marks for a victory. No team had a decided advantage by some missed calls going for or against them. The statistics were close to dead even.

The team that made " the play " at the end was going to win and that turned out to be the Bombers. Was it lucky? In a sense yes but football is a game of inches.  Even with the deflection by Nichols that pass was still potentially a chance to win.

Was the int in OT lucky? We see those often and sometimes 5 players have a shot at an int and it hits the ground or the receiver ends up with it.

Both teams did some very good film work and were contesting passes all game.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: oskee woot woot on December 19, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
Which ever team ending up winning the Grey Cup would have been full marks for a victory. No team had a decided advantage by some missed calls going for or against them. The statistics were close to dead even.

The team that made " the play " at the end was going to win and that turned out to be the Bombers. Was it lucky? In a sense yes but football is a game of inches.  Even with the deflection by Nichols that pass was still potentially a chance to win.

Was the int in OT lucky? We see those often and sometimes 5 players have a shot at an int and it hits the ground or the receiver ends up with it.

Both teams did some very good film work and were contesting passes all game.

You are all too nice. I feel like I should hate your team and your fanbase but you're making it too hard :)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 20, 2021, 12:17:50 AM
You are all too nice. I feel like I should hate your team and your fanbase but you're making it too hard :)

Haha!  Well, some/most of us are firstly CFL/football fans, secondly Bomber fans.  If you're not wearing green, we'll treat you right  ;) ;)   And a lot of prairie fans (of both colors) hate the Stamps more (ABC!).  Not enough hate leftover for East teams  ;) ;)

I'm sure you can relate, vis a vis the Argos  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D

You're more than welcome to hang around talking good football all year; though you might want to skip the threads about the intricate details of our 4th string LB STer draft choices.  :D :D  Heck, I often skip those too  ;D ;D ;D

Like I said before, if 2022 GC is SSK vs HAM in SSK, almost everyone here will be cheering for ya!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: oskee woot woot on December 20, 2021, 01:30:59 AM
Riderfans brings up another great point: Why wasn't Speedy B back there to return that final KO in the 4th?  Your game on the line and you leave 3rd stringer T.White returning?  Huh?

#1. Speedy B was a full-time returner for years and knows intimately what you do in each KO situation.  T.White has no clue what to do.

#2. Speedy B gives you your best chance at busting a massive return or KO TD.

#3. Speedy B scares the cover team.  White scares no one.

#4. Rob Speedy B of his chance at 2014 redemption??

Come to think of it... what if Speedy B pouting in OT was mainly because he was denied the chance to KO return for the win??

What's the only downside to Speedy B returning there?  He might get hurt?  He wasn't used much on that final drive anyhow.  We took Speedy B away all night.


I agree, Speedy going back there would have been the better option. Even Tunde Adeleke, who goes back there once in a while, would have been better - he's a NI and understands the single point. I'm convinced White had no idea what he was doing when he kneeled (which falls on coaching).

Haha!  Well, some/most of us are firstly CFL/football fans, secondly Bomber fans.  If you're not wearing green, we'll treat you right  ;) ;)   And a lot of prairie fans (of both colors) hate the Stamps more (ABC!).  Not enough hate leftover for East teams  ;) ;)

I'm sure you can relate, vis a vis the Argos  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D

You're more than welcome to hang around talking good football all year; though you might want to skip the threads about the intricate details of our 4th string LB STer draft choices.  :D :D  Heck, I often skip those too  ;D ;D ;D

Like I said before, if 2022 GC is SSK vs HAM in SSK, almost everyone here will be cheering for ya!


Haha. Likewise, had Toronto won this year's Eastern Final you would have seen a sea of blue and gold supporters in the crowd from the Hammer. There was only one time I cheered for the Argos and that was in the '17 Grey Cup, and that's only because I was mad at my own team and cheered for the Argos out of spite (that was the year the Cats went 0-7 to start the season; Kent Austin and Zach Collaros were the scapegoats). If that makes any sense  ???. That was also the year the Stamps beat the Ticats 60-1, so I hated Calgary that year, too.

I will stick around. I like your format and good football talk happening. I love my fellow Ticat fans, but I think this 22 year drought has caused restlesness in the fanbase, resulting in some less than stellar conversations. Everything is just doom and gloom right now. You guys just won (2 in a row) so you're thinking a little more clear headed.  ;D  Think of me as a lost Ticat fan.   8)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 20, 2021, 03:21:20 AM
Hey Oskee, you must be down losing a close one like that, especially at home and after 22 years, we all know about losing in the grey cup and how heartbreaking it is, and we went through our drought here as well.

You have a great coach and a good nucleus of players, I m sure retaining them will be a challenge but it?s obvious your coach loves his players, so I m sure things will work out for you guys.stay steel city strong!!


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 24, 2021, 08:33:11 AM
Finished the first rewatch of the GC.  A couple of general points for possible discussion:

1. Our DTs had a heck of a game and were pivotal.  That's a good thing as our DE's were much more muted than in 2019.  It was clear HAM gameplanned on stopping the 2 J's.  That opened up more space for Stove/Fatboi/Sayles to do their thing.  Both Fatboi and Stove were great at shedding blocks to get the runners in the A/B gap.  And they got push up the middle to keep Masoli uncomfortable.  If we had weaker DTs, this game may not have turned out as it did.

2. HAM clearly learned from 2019 and all the 2 J's trouble.  Masoli, especially, was getting the ball out in under 2.7s nearly every play.  There was none of the way-too-long ball-holding that Evans did in that last GC.  They were often packing extra blockers on the J's.  HAM actually ran a fair number of 6 & 7 man OL/blockers, even when they didn't show it, they'd slot them in on pre-snap motion or bring them across at the snap.  The 2 HAM O-tackles were vastly improved over 2019.  Like night & day.  Our blitzes, which we sent a fair number, were basically fruitless.

3. HAM going max-pro led to a lot of coverage sacks and checkdowns / throwaways, especially later in the game.  They fared much better when playing stock OL, with maybe a RB blocking then sneaking out.  I'm not sure why they stuck with this set.  It really wasn't working for them.  They have such a strong receiving corps, I would have just let all 5 loose most of the time.  Very strange, as they did almost no max-pro in 2019; of course, that didn't work for them either.  :D :D

4. HAM D was running a lot of stunts and blitzes.  Must have been tough for Zach's reads, and could be part of why he didn't get into a groove for 3 quarters.  Even though they didn't get many sack stats, they were forcing checkdowns and throwaways way more than our O is used to.  Our OL was getting fooled and beat much more than usual.  Though they did improve a fair bit after halftime so someone was making adjustments and someone was letting them know they needed to improve.

5. HAM's Don Jackson run game was almost exclusively outside the tackles.  They fooled Willy a bunch of times when he was the only contain man.  Our aggressive pass rush worked against us here, along with wrong play action read guesses and just bad luck.  When HAM could clear out or block up the only LB on that side (usually Wilson), they often made hay.  That was really the only part of the HAM O game that was super successful.  I give them a ton of credit coming up with a great run plan that often had our near-top run D on the ropes.  And that they did it with such a sparse frequency, yet methodical and exquisitely timed, made it all the more impressive.  Even with a performing Don, I'm not sure I agree with the choice to not play STE even once.  Maybe STE on his way out of HAM?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 27, 2021, 01:31:55 AM
Demski: He was really dinged up in the 4th Q when he had to have help off the field.  He came back on a few plays later and just ran a decoy route and when he tried to cut, his body just kind of slumped over.  He didn't play at all after that, and O'Leary#84 actually got a few live GC game reps!  He was open a couple of times too, because HAM D just ignored him.

That's why when Demski won MVC he looked pretty subdued.  He was in major pain.

I wonder if he broke/bruised a rib, or some muscle tear in his core.  I'm sure he'll be fine for next year.  But it's a good thing this didn't happen earlier in the game!  We needed that little "can't catch me" TD of his.  After all those useless sweeps and screens for negative yards, I was happy to see Demski make the key TD.

Just thought I'd document it here, as it may have been overlooked while watching live.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 27, 2021, 01:31:47 PM
Demski: He was really dinged up in the 4th Q when he had to have help off the field.  He came back on a few plays later and just ran a decoy route and when he tried to cut, his body just kind of slumped over.  He didn't play at all after that, and O'Leary#84 actually got a few live GC game reps!  He was open a couple of times too, because HAM D just ignored him.

That's why when Demski won MVC he looked pretty subdued.  He was in major pain.

I wonder if he broke/bruised a rib, or some muscle tear in his core.  I'm sure he'll be fine for next year.  But it's a good thing this didn't happen earlier in the game!  We needed that little "can't catch me" TD of his.  After all those useless sweeps and screens for negative yards, I was happy to see Demski make the key TD.

Just thought I'd document it here, as it may have been overlooked while watching live.


Why do you need to jump to these conclusions?


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on December 27, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Wildly speculative, much like the spiel about the career ending injury to Harris. Too much time on a cold winters day


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: theaardvark on December 27, 2021, 05:35:37 PM
The "Why not Speedy B returning" question kinda got me thinking.  He hasn't really been a threat in a while, maybe from even before last GC.  Occasional flashes, but not the terror we once feared.  Not sure if Reinbold is on that same page.  Sure, veteran hands and brain ready for the kick with the wind, but Banks has been Crown Royal XO of late, expensive and goes down too easy. 

Ham needed field position, they needed to get into scoring range.  If they get nailed deep... now, did he get the "If you have to field it in the endzone, don't try to run it out" speech, and not realize that they meant deep in the endzone, not just barely into the endzone.... because our endzones are deeep.  And sure, there were 15-20 yards of clear field ahead of him when he downed his knee, but he was at a standing start, and the Bombers excellent cover team was coming downhill full steam.  I can't imagine what runs through a players mind when they see Miller, Hansen and company bearing down on them...

I'm not 100% sure Ham gets into FG range in time without that head start, and they have to like their chances in OT, at home in a game they have been dominating most of the time. 

Does Orlando bring back Reinold?  Probably take more than on GC miscall to end their relationship...   


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 28, 2021, 03:13:30 AM
Why do you need to jump to these conclusions?

Because I have eyes.

And which conclusion precisely am I "jumping" to that you are taking umbrage with??

Did you rewatch the play I am referencing where he can't even stand up straight anymore?  Didn't think so.  Do I really have to make a little video of it for you?  Demski busted up something in his torso, of that I have no doubt.  I missed it on first watch, as did you, obviously.  I did not miss it on second watch.

You're welcome.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 28, 2021, 03:29:53 AM
The "Why not Speedy B returning" question kinda got me thinking.  He hasn't really been a threat in a while, maybe from even before last GC.  Occasional flashes, but not the terror we once feared.  Not sure if Reinbold is on that same page.  Sure, veteran hands and brain ready for the kick with the wind, but Banks has been Crown Royal XO of late, expensive and goes down too easy.
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Does Orlando bring back Reinold?  Probably take more than on GC miscall to end their relationship...   

I agree.  It's clear "Speedy B" might have to be renamed to "UsedTaBeSpeedy B" because he's not nearly as fast as he used to be.  Old age, or always beat up, who knows precisely why.  He was less effective than our #3/#4 read Bailey all year.

He had that one nice juke-out run in the GC for his TD, but then again, so did Demski, and Demski's was arguably more impressive because he had less free space.

Our D tracked down Speedy a number of times, and not even our fastest guys.  Speedy never busted one on us with his speed.

Here's the thing, though: HAM was putting their #2 and #3 and #4 returner options back there all game after Papi got hurt.  I mean, Adeleke?  Really?  Ungerer?  Pfft.  And T.White botching things multiple times?

And they don't put Speedy back there for a 2014 instant-win scenario?  That means they have no faith in him at all.  Or they know he'll be broken like a China doll upon tackle.  Either way, 1:30 left and they don't go for it with him?  Says a lot.  I really don't see Speedy B being back with HAM next year, or any other team.  Dude is too proud to take a big pay cut that his performance demands.

Reinbold is probably safe.  He didn't lose the game.  If they really gave White the choice, or worse, told him to bring it out and he didn't, then it's White screwup.  Now, you could argue Reinbold screwed up by putting White back there at all, but I'm sure coach O had a say in that as well.

It's funny, upon rewatch you realize HAM lost it due to a surfeit of tiny errors: penalties at the wrong time, multiple rouges, little brain farts in D coverage, weird personnel choices.  If HAM had been more disciplined to avoid even a couple of those things, in all likelihood they win that game.  It's so odd that a team could be that prepared vs 2019, and play that well, yet blow it all due to coaches' oversight.  It's also a testament to the Bombers preparedness in the same.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: DM83 on December 28, 2021, 07:42:13 AM
Techno,

I find some of your points sensationalistic and opinion. I read your posts only sometimes as I think they lack credibility,

The diff between your posts and others  seem to be they lack a foundation or basis of. Fact..  All of us. Speculate but because a guy is dinged, does not necessarily mean much. I mean if ya get kicked in the shin,  or winded, it feels like death.

Stating an opinion as. Some sort,of knowledgeable comment is fun, but we should all try and offer. The asks of facts, of some sort.. 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 28, 2021, 09:32:37 AM
Techno,

I find some of your points sensationalistic and opinion. I read your posts only sometimes as I think they lack credibility,

The diff between your posts and others  seem to be they lack a foundation or basis of. Fact..  All of us. Speculate but because a guy is dinged, does not necessarily mean much. I mean if ya get kicked in the shin,  or winded, it feels like death.

Stating an opinion as. Some sort,of knowledgeable comment is fun, but we should all try and offer. The asks of facts, of some sort.. 

Thanks DM for the constructive reply.  I guess the problem in my post then was my guess as to the injury?  "I wonder if he broke/bruised a rib, or some muscle tear in his core."

I was merely throwing out some ideas as to what can cause the crazy reaction Demski had on the field.  I am totally open to other ideas that can cause such a reaction.  I listed the ones I could think of, and they might be good guesses.  Bruised rib is very common in football.  I'm not quite sure how this is sensationalistic?

But I would really hope that before saying "Tecno is speculative / jumping to conclusions" that interested people would really check the clip I'm referencing.  They might also speculate and jump to conclusions after seeing the clip!

I noticed very few people are interested in going back and/or taking a "deep dive".  Doesn't mean what I'm saying isn't or can't be true.  I bet a) no one complaining bothered to find the clip on their PVR, b) no one complaining saw what I'm talking about live (I didn't either).  I was truly shocked when I saw Demski keel over when he came back on the field.  Comparing this (bruised rib) to my AH33 ACL season-ender speculation is hardly the same thing.  I never once said I get them all right, I just document what I see and make my best informed guess to spark conversation.

P.S. I found the clip, it's in OT right as Zach throws that TD to Adams.  Demski slips out of blocking duty to the LoS after barely touching the HAM pass rusher and he instantly kneels down in the most bizarre way I've never seen before, then staggers and bobs a few times with hands on/near stomach/hip.  He does not celebrate with the guys and Adams in the EZ when everyone else does.  He's running right off the field in the background.  He does not return for the 2pt, OLO takes his place (OLO could have scored too, wide open, and OL was impenetrable, BTW).


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 28, 2021, 09:50:37 AM
Another topic: Was the OT hold on Fatboi that moved HAM back 10 instead of forward 13 a good call?  HAM fans would probably say no.

I know many already discussed it here.  There were mixed feelings.  But watching it a few times again, especially the excellent EZ camera angle slow-mo, leaves me wondering.

There's 2 officials standing behind the QB.  In the EZ angle Proulx is to the left (right of the QB).  Some other ref is to the right, and it's this other ref that threw most of the backfield flags that game (like HTTF).  Proulx was keeping his nylon in his pants for the most part, except I think on that RTP on Willie (Proulx's fave is RTP, he loves that call!).

So if you think it's a legit penalty, what precisely makes it more so than some of the stuff they let ride earlier in the game?  We all know "there's holding every play".  So what pushed this one over the top?  The big complaint on Riderfans and ticats forum is "WPG did that hold all night" (of course), but I rewatched with a focus on the lines and I'm not sure we got away with any that egregious.

I personally think for sure it was a hold, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable that the refs weren't more like 2019 when they really really just "let them play".  I guess this could be this year's "2019 Kalinic hold on Willie" equivalent.  Though, funny thing, I think this hold was more a hold than the one on Willie.

The reason this hold is so important is going to 1st and 20 is basically statistically dooming HAM to losing.  How many 1st & 20s are made in OT against a good D...  We almost certainly win anyhow even without this hold (TD+2pt match is also never accomplished), so it's a tiny bit of a bummer that HAM can point to some iffy call as the reason they lost.  (P.S. penalties WPG 4-40, HAM 8-65... be more disciplined HAM.)


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: theaardvark on December 28, 2021, 01:13:26 PM
I agree.  It's clear "Speedy B" might have to be renamed to "UsedTaBeSpeedy B" because he's not nearly as fast as he used to be.  Old age, or always beat up, who knows precisely why.  He was less effective than our #3/#4 read Bailey all year.

He had that one nice juke-out run in the GC for his TD, but then again, so did Demski, and Demski's was arguably more impressive because he had less free space.

Our D tracked down Speedy a number of times, and not even our fastest guys.  Speedy never busted one on us with his speed.

Here's the thing, though: HAM was putting their #2 and #3 and #4 returner options back there all game after Papi got hurt.  I mean, Adeleke?  Really?  Ungerer?  Pfft.  And T.White botching things multiple times?

And they don't put Speedy back there for a 2014 instant-win scenario?  That means they have no faith in him at all.  Or they know he'll be broken like a China doll upon tackle.  Either way, 1:30 left and they don't go for it with him?  Says a lot.  I really don't see Speedy B being back with HAM next year, or any other team.  Dude is too proud to take a big pay cut that his performance demands.

Reinbold is probably safe.  He didn't lose the game.  If they really gave White the choice, or worse, told him to bring it out and he didn't, then it's White screwup.  Now, you could argue Reinbold screwed up by putting White back there at all, but I'm sure coach O had a say in that as well.

It's funny, upon rewatch you realize HAM lost it due to a surfeit of tiny errors: penalties at the wrong time, multiple rouges, little brain farts in D coverage, weird personnel choices.  If HAM had been more disciplined to avoid even a couple of those things, in all likelihood they win that game.  It's so odd that a team could be that prepared vs 2019, and play that well, yet blow it all due to coaches' oversight.  It's also a testament to the Bombers preparedness in the same.


Reinbold put him there.  His decision.  If he told him not to bring it out, his decision.

If a player was told to bring it out and didn't, that is on the coach as well.  A well coached player doesn't question what he's told to do... especially in a situation he isn't familiar with. 

Reinbold did lose them the game in a way... but the ultimate responsibility is on Steinhauer...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 28, 2021, 01:28:49 PM
Because I have eyes.

And which conclusion precisely am I "jumping" to that you are taking umbrage with??

Did you rewatch the play I am referencing where he can't even stand up straight anymore?  Didn't think so.  Do I really have to make a little video of it for you?  Demski busted up something in his torso, of that I have no doubt.  I missed it on first watch, as did you, obviously.  I did not miss it on second watch.

You're welcome.



We all have eyes. You're the only one wildly speculating.  Go ahead send your video. Is there at least one other poster that remotely agrees with your speculation?

EDIT: Just re-watched the end of the game. Demski gets tackled on a short run and has about 5 players land on him with the ball underneath his body. At 2:28 he walks off the field on his own steam. He runs routes and is on the field for every down in OT. Collaros throws him a very low pass at his feet which is incomplete.

Demski runs, blocks and or runs routes and doesn't appear to show any sort of limitation.

O'Shea does not, would not send in any player with a severe injury. Nor would the team medical staff allow that to happen.

So yeah. Pure speculation with squat to substantiate your view. Having the wind knocked out of you by landing on the ball with weight in the cold after 58 minutes of football. Nothing to see here.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 28, 2021, 05:02:12 PM

We all have eyes. You're the only one wildly speculating.  Go ahead send your video. Is there at least one other poster that remotely agrees with your speculation?

EDIT: Just re-watched the end of the game. Demski gets tackled on a short run and has about 5 players land on him with the ball underneath his body. At 2:28 he walks off the field on his own steam. He runs routes and is on the field for every down in OT. Collaros throws him a very low pass at his feet which is incomplete.

Demski runs, blocks and or runs routes and doesn't appear to show any sort of limitation.

O'Shea does not, would not send in any player with a severe injury. Nor would the team medical staff allow that to happen.

So yeah. Pure speculation with squat to substantiate your view. Having the wind knocked out of you by landing on the ball with weight in the cold after 58 minutes of football. Nothing to see here.

Are you forgetting the game Strev. played in late 2019 were he was hobbling so badly he could hardly walk?  It was painful to watch and a little embarrassing that O'Shea allowed him to continue to play.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 28, 2021, 05:47:49 PM
Are you forgetting the game Strev. played in late 2019 were he was hobbling so badly he could hardly walk?  It was painful to watch and a little embarrassing that O'Shea allowed him to continue to play.

There is no way MOS was stopping Strev. playing the GC. Just watch the interview with Sara O after the game. She asks him did you ever think you were not going to play and he says,  NO.

ND10 was injured late in the 4th. quarter. He had the wind knocked out of him. If he told MOS he was fine, MOS lets him back into the game. If he had a serious injury there is no way he's going back in.



Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Blue In BC on December 28, 2021, 06:02:47 PM
Are you forgetting the game Strev. played in late 2019 were he was hobbling so badly he could hardly walk?  It was painful to watch and a little embarrassing that O'Shea allowed him to continue to play.

Nope didn't forget at all. A broken rib could be life threatening ( punctured / collapsed lung risk ). It would also be more limiting due to inability to lift arms, stretch etc etc.

Streveler's injury while painful and limiting was more a matter of will over mind. I guess it's a matter of where you draw the line of pain over injury and / or the possibility of making things worse. Not sure when they determined a broken or fractured bone in his ankle.

As I pointed out Demski immediately returned for the OT series and didn't show any limitations. Logic would suggest he was winded and possibly in pain. Theorizing severe injury was a reach until he says otherwise.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on December 28, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
How good was Woli82 in the 4th quarter. Man he made some clutch catches.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 28, 2021, 10:22:28 PM
How good was Woli82 in the 4th quarter. Man he made some clutch catches.

Memories of Rory Kohlert another solid Natl. receiver from the past.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: ichabod_crane on December 31, 2021, 01:19:21 AM
Memories of Rory Kohlert another solid Natl. receiver from the past.


Or Jade Etienne! ;)  Another "solid" first round choice there. What a bust he was.

Whatever happened to that receiver Moniz? Seems he had some natural talent and might be a late darkhorse draft selection, but moved on the next season or two and  now lost track of him. In my estimation Kohlert is nowhere near as good as Woli. He was pretty sure handed, but did not have the same height or overall skills as Woli.  Neither have major wheels, but not really necessary for a possession and 5th pass option usually. Being able to block and run his proper routes can go a long way to keep on the roster. Throwing some interference for Lawler/Bailey/Demski keeps you on the coaches radar.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 15, 2022, 09:13:17 AM
In my estimation Kohlert is nowhere near as good as Woli. He was pretty sure handed, but did not have the same height or overall skills as Woli.  Neither have major wheels, but not really necessary for a possession and 5th pass option usually.

Woli is the best NAT WR we've had in ages (excluding Demski).  Petermann showed great promise, but he's gone and he never did beat out Woli for the starting spot.  And now in OTT Petermann didn't even see the field more than a handful of times... which is odd as OTT needed all the NAT WR help they could get.  I wonder why Lapo soured on him?

Woli also has made the deep rail route catch that JFG never could haul in!

Woli was clutch in the GC.  We may not win if Woli doesn't make those "1st down on 1st down" catches.  Poor HAM, everything that needed to occur for us to win, did, and not a hair more.  Inches...


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: TecnoGenius on January 15, 2022, 09:23:39 AM
Rewatched again.  The game is starting to grow on me.  It gives me a different feeling from the '19 GC.  Will I eventually prefer watching the comeback win vs the total domination?

I want to mention AH33, as he gets very little love for this game.  Just look at the "pull AH" talk around halftime on this thread!  Yikes!

AH absolutely dominated OT.  HAM was dead set on limiting AH to 1-4 YPC all game.  They were still trying in OT, but he turned on the ain't-gonna-stop-me-short jets and pounded those legs for critical 1-3 extra yards after first contact.  Sometimes the contact was full-blown, braced, dead-on contact.  Sometimes dragging 2 guys.  Sometimes both.

There was that one run where we absolutely needed 2 yards on 2nd down and he seems to get stuffed behind LoS running into our OL and he spots and cuts right and hits that hole so hard as the entire HAM D is crashing down on the line.  Maybe his best run of the night in terms of impact.  He gets stuffed behind LoS and we only get 3 in OT1.

And he made a critical pass-rush block on that final TD throw to Adams.  Davis is doing an awesome spin move and breezes by the hoggie.  AH is right there to smash him and give Zach that final 1s to throw the best looking ball of the game for 6.  (The hoggies also really upped their game in OT; impenetrable wall.)

AH may not have had the crazy 140y game like '19, but he made his mark when required, just like every single guy on O did that night.  They all made brilliant plays.  One of the most balanced O's in forever.  A true joy to watch.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: dd on January 15, 2022, 02:50:29 PM
Woli is the best NAT WR we've had in ages (excluding Demski).  Petermann showed great promise, but he's gone and he never did beat out Woli for the starting spot.  And now in OTT Petermann didn't even see the field more than a handful of times... which is odd as OTT needed all the NAT WR help they could get.  I wonder why Lapo soured on him?

Woli also has made the deep rail route catch that JFG never could haul in!

Woli was clutch in the GC.  We may not win if Woli doesn't make those "1st down on 1st down" catches.  Poor HAM, everything that needed to occur for us to win, did, and not a hair more.  Inches...

I am interested to see if we make a play on Peterman. I m thinking playing in Ottawa stinks and he has a good set of hands, I d like to see us get him back here


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on January 15, 2022, 03:22:28 PM
Rewatched again.  The game is starting to grow on me.  It gives me a different feeling from the '19 GC.  Will I eventually prefer watching the comeback win vs the total domination?

I want to mention AH33, as he gets very little love for this game.  Just look at the "pull AH" talk around halftime on this thread!  Yikes!

AH absolutely dominated OT.  HAM was dead set on limiting AH to 1-4 YPC all game.  They were still trying in OT, but he turned on the ain't-gonna-stop-me-short jets and pounded those legs for critical 1-3 extra yards after first contact.  Sometimes the contact was full-blown, braced, dead-on contact.  Sometimes dragging 2 guys.  Sometimes both.

There was that one run where we absolutely needed 2 yards on 2nd down and he seems to get stuffed behind LoS running into our OL and he spots and cuts right and hits that hole so hard as the entire HAM D is crashing down on the line.  Maybe his best run of the night in terms of impact.  He gets stuffed behind LoS and we only get 3 in OT1.

And he made a critical pass-rush block on that final TD throw to Adams.  Davis is doing an awesome spin move and breezes by the hoggie.  AH is right there to smash him and give Zach that final 1s to throw the best looking ball of the game for 6.  (The hoggies also really upped their game in OT; impenetrable wall.)

AH may not have had the crazy 140y game like '19, but he made his mark when required, just like every single guy on O did that night.  They all made brilliant plays.  One of the most balanced O's in forever.  A true joy to watch.

Agreed....AH came to play in OT and they ran him 4 consecutive times before that pass to Adams for 6!  Add to the fact that Hamilton's D was rested as they watched their O for the last two minutes drive the field.    AH is such a gamer and ranks as one of the best Bomber RBs of all time.....up there with Leo, Charlie and Willard.   What makes it extra special is he's a Canadian and from Winnipeg!! 


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on January 15, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
I am interested to see if we make a play on Peterman. I m thinking playing in Ottawa stinks and he has a good set of hands, I d like to see us get him back here

We should call this the "Petermann saga", the endless debate whether to bring him back for another go.  I think he will eventually find his place on the Otttawa roster or on another club out East.  I'm quite happy having Woli fill the 5th receiver position for the next 3-4 years, he's a glue guy.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on January 15, 2022, 06:26:32 PM
I think if the bombers sign Woli82, they will stick with young inexpensive backups. If they don't sign Woli82, Pete could be a guy we go after.


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: kkc60 on January 15, 2022, 09:58:02 PM
I think if the bombers sign Woli82, they will stick with young inexpensive backups. If they don't sign Woli82, Pete could be a guy we go after.
Also still have O'Leary-Orange


Title: Re: Official Game Day Thread - 108th Grey Cup Game December 12, 2021
Post by: Pigskin on January 15, 2022, 10:34:43 PM
Also still have O'Leary-Orange

Bingo, that's would be one of our inexpensive backups!!!