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Title: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 15, 2021, 04:02:35 PM
It seems BC is extending the lock down for indoor dining again. While I haven't heard the official comment yet the rumor was until after May long weekend. This would also include large gatherings which I'd take to include things like football TC's?

That's brutal for the business community and their employees. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on April 15, 2021, 04:40:31 PM
It seems BC is extending the lock down for indoor dining again. While I haven't heard the official comment yet the rumor was until after May long weekend. This would also include large gatherings which I'd take to include things like football TC's?

That's brutal for the business community and their employees. 

There's rumours that it will actually escalate to a 4 week non essential shut down. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 16, 2021, 01:47:40 AM
There are a few Provinces that are really in rough shape right now. These new variants are nasty.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on April 16, 2021, 05:27:06 PM
Yes, the problem is that people are still going out to house parties, restaurants, and hanging out with friends in the malls.  If everyone on the planet would just lock themselves up for 1 month with no contact to anyone, we will be done with this virus long time ago. With internet, millions of tv shows, cell phones, we won't go crazy hopefully... :)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 16, 2021, 05:48:05 PM
Alberta had 1646 cases yesterday and 54% of those was the new variants, which was #1 in Canada per capita.

BC had 1205 cases.

Ontario is in need of health care workers.

Quebec reporting 1527 cases today.

Heading back out to the lake till my next vaccination which is the first week of June.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 16, 2021, 09:04:33 PM
Ontario is policing the border. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 16, 2021, 09:11:55 PM
Ontario is policing the border. 

Manitoba should also.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 17, 2021, 03:09:51 AM
Manitoba:
April 12, zero deaths.
April 13, two deaths.
April 14, three deaths.
April 15, one death.
April 16, zero deaths.

Shutdown everything on Monday?  Patrol the border?  Kill the CFL?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety", Ben Franklin


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on April 17, 2021, 03:20:49 AM
Manitoba:
April 12, zero deaths.
April 13, two deaths.
April 14, three deaths.
April 15, one death.
April 16, zero deaths.

Shutdown everything on Monday?  Patrol the border?  Kill the CFL?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety", Ben Franklin


Two very different scenarios.  Ben Franklin was talking specifically about a tax issue whereas the current situation involves the health, well being and the future for many people around the world, including the 10 provinces and 3 territories comprising Canada.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 17, 2021, 01:30:05 PM
Manitoba:
April 12, zero deaths.
April 13, two deaths.
April 14, three deaths.
April 15, one death.
April 16, zero deaths.

Shutdown everything on Monday?  Patrol the border?  Kill the CFL?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety", Ben Franklin
There are no signs of intelligent life in this post.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 17, 2021, 09:56:06 PM
Numbers are slowly going up in Winnipeg, with 127 new cases today. The total numbers in Manitoba today was around 183. I here there was about 300 losers at the Forks today protesting public health orders.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 17, 2021, 10:04:56 PM
I say, if you want to stay home and cocoon yourself, you can do that. The people who choose not to live in fear and are willing to move about and live their lives go for it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 17, 2021, 11:37:15 PM
I say, if you want to stay home and cocoon yourself, you can do that. The people who choose not to live in fear and are willing to move about and live their lives go for it.
No sign of intelligent life in this post either.

If people who go out were only putting their own health at risk, I'd have no problem with it, but hat's not the way it works. Folks who don't take precautions pass it on to others who don't take precautions. The old and those with preexisting conditions might die if they get it. Folks who get it and end up in the hospitals cost taxpayers a ton of money and put pressure on already overworked medical staff. Wear your masks. Wash your hands. Stay at home as much as possible. How is that too much to ask?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 18, 2021, 02:08:20 AM
Having 300 people in close proximity with no masks, with the new variants is really a stupid thing to do right now.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 18, 2021, 02:23:42 AM
I say, if you want to stay home and cocoon yourself, you can do that. The people who choose not to live in fear and are willing to move about and live their lives go for it.

So should these people that you are speaking about, get treatment for Covid if they get it?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 18, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
So should these people that you are speaking about, get treatment for Covid if they get it?

Yep. I wear a mask as required when I enter a store, I do not wear a mask when I am outside, I do not cocoon in my home and continue to live my life as I wish. If I get sick so be it, and I would expect treatment. I guess you feel I don't deserve treatment because I am not hiding in my house and avoiding contact with people. If you want to do that, you are free to exercise your right, just as I am allowed to exercise my right to continue to live not being afraid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 18, 2021, 04:34:06 PM
I believe everyone deserves treatment as long as there following the Province Health Orders. If your like Tobias Tissen who continues to defy the Province Health Orders and rolling the dice and taking unnecessary risks that put the rest of the people in this Province and our Health Care Workers in jeopardy, then yes I believe you should be on your own when it comes to treatment.

Very few people in Manitoba are living in your so called cocoon. We function normally everyday, we just follow ALL the Province Health Rules.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 18, 2021, 05:02:51 PM
You have the same right not to wear a mask as you have to not to wear a helmet on a Motorcycle or to not wear a seat belt when you're in a car. IE: You can get a ticket for failure to comply. Actually, it's better not to wear a helmet or seat belt because that only hurts you, it doesn't hurt other people.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 18, 2021, 06:22:38 PM
Yep. I wear a mask as required when I enter a store, I do not wear a mask when I am outside, I do not cocoon in my home and continue to live my life as I wish. If I get sick so be it, and I would expect treatment. I guess you feel I don't deserve treatment because I am not hiding in my house and avoiding contact with people. If you want to do that, you are free to exercise your right, just as I am allowed to exercise my right to continue to live not being afraid.

You're rights don't include doing everything you want. Nobody said you need to live in fear or in a cocoon.

It's only been said to use common decency and judgement so as to not put others at risk.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 18, 2021, 10:06:39 PM
You're rights don't include doing everything you want. Nobody said you need to live in fear or in a cocoon.

It's only been said to use common decency and judgement so as to not put others at risk.



How is choosing to be outside, distanced from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk? I choose to live a normal life other than when I wear a mask in a store, I take it off immediately after exiting. If you want to walk around outside, drive a car, while wearing a mask you can do it. But don't condemn the people who don't, they are not putting anyone else at risk, if you don't like that then stay clear of someone you see outside not wearing a mask. You can live in fear if you want, I don't.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2021, 01:07:12 AM
How is choosing to be outside, distanced from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk? I choose to live a normal life other than when I wear a mask in a store, I take it off immediately after exiting. If you want to walk around outside, drive a car, while wearing a mask you can do it. But don't condemn the people who don't, they are not putting anyone else at risk, if you don't like that then stay clear of someone you see outside not wearing a mask. You can live in fear if you want, I don't.

Wow, you really have gone off the deep end. I don't remember anyone saying any of the thing you saying.

Most people remove there mask when they leave a public space. Most people do not drive around in there own vehicle with a mask on. Most people don't wear a mask outside when socially distanced from other people.

 



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 19, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
How is choosing to be outside, distanced from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk? I choose to live a normal life other than when I wear a mask in a store, I take it off immediately after exiting. If you want to walk around outside, drive a car, while wearing a mask you can do it. But don't condemn the people who don't, they are not putting anyone else at risk, if you don't like that then stay clear of someone you see outside not wearing a mask. You can live in fear if you want, I don't.

You didn't mention anything about social distancing while outside not wearing a mask. People shouldn't NEED to walk around others not wearing masks outside.

It depends on which version of not wearing masks outside you maintain. Outside is full of people walking on the sidewalk without masks. That is not acceptable.


I don't live in fear but I respect the rights of others in those situations and I wear a mask.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 19, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
You didn't mention anything about social distancing while outside not wearing a mask. People shouldn't NEED to walk around others not wearing masks outside.

It depends on which version of not wearing masks outside you maintain. Outside is full of people walking on the sidewalk without masks. That is not acceptable.


I don't live in fear but I respect the rights of others in those situations and I wear a mask.

 Perhaps you should re-read my first sentence. I specifically stated "How is choosing to be outside, DISTANCED from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk?"


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 19, 2021, 03:56:32 PM
Perhaps you should re-read my first sentence. I specifically stated "How is choosing to be outside, DISTANCED from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk?"

Distanced from other people might only mean 6' most of the time but not all of the time. While masks may not completely protect from Covid it's a start. Being 6' away from others and sneezing or coughing ( for example ) is counter to medical advice about why masks should be worn outdoors. IF you may come in close proximity to others. OTOH if there is no chance of close proximity to others feel free to NOT wear a mask.

IE: If you're standing directly behind me at 6' distance without a mask and sneeze, speak loudly, cough etc, does that put me at greater risk? Is that your definition of distancing?  If you are outside it is nearly impossible to maintain social distance at all times unless you are in your back yard.

Perhaps you reading comprehension is the one in question. Distanced means a lot of different things to some of the people out there. There are those that feel their rights include only what they feel applies to others and not them.

There is no old normal these days.




Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2021, 07:32:12 PM
I think it's much easier to social distance outside then it is inside, say like Walmart.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 20, 2021, 03:45:00 PM
Distanced from other people might only mean 6' most of the time but not all of the time. While masks may not completely protect from Covid it's a start. Being 6' away from others and sneezing or coughing ( for example ) is counter to medical advice about why masks should be worn outdoors. IF you may come in close proximity to others. OTOH if there is no chance of close proximity to others feel free to NOT wear a mask.

IE: If you're standing directly behind me at 6' distance without a mask and sneeze, speak loudly, cough etc, does that put me at greater risk? Is that your definition of distancing?  If you are outside it is nearly impossible to maintain social distance at all times unless you are in your back yard.

Perhaps you reading comprehension is the one in question. Distanced means a lot of different things to some of the people out there. There are those that feel their rights include only what they feel applies to others and not them.

There is no old normal these days.




Sucks to be you, living in fear of people standing now 6' away from you but talking loudly. Good luck with that!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 20, 2021, 04:17:28 PM
Sucks to be you, living in fear of people standing now 6' away from you but talking loudly. Good luck with that!

Contrary to your opinion I am not living in fear. I am however aware of practical precautions as a senior citizen. Most medical opinions suggest social distancing and wearing masks in public even outdoors.

I don't wear a mask outdoors 100% of the time. I do have the mask ready as necessary when people or myself might come within contact of each other.

LOL. I get it, your special.  Your comments sound like those from anti vaxers.

You do realize this is an airborne spread virus. You can't have a conversation without resorting to comments like " sucks to be you " or " living in fear " says a lot about you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2021, 04:22:42 PM
Contrary to your opinion I am not living in fear. I am however aware of practical precautions as a senior citizen. Most medical opinions suggest social distancing and wearing masks in public even outdoors.

I don't wear a mask outdoors 100% of the time. I do have the mask ready as necessary when people or myself might come within contact of each other.

LOL. I get it, your special.  Your comments sound like those from anti vaxers.

You do realize this is an airborne spread virus. You can't have a conversation without resorting to comments like " sucks to be you " or " living in fear " says a lot about you.

Best to just disengage and ignore the nonsense posting. There's nothing be gained by talking to lost causes just out to stir the pot and create drama.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 20, 2021, 04:42:42 PM
Best to just disengage and ignore the nonsense posting. There's nothing be gained by talking to lost causes just out to stir the pot and create drama.
That's exactly why I stopped a couple of days ago.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 20, 2021, 08:34:00 PM
Two weeks after Easter and the Covid cases are slowing rising in Winnipeg. Also the new variants are going up. 211 new cases in Manitoba today. 123 of those cases are in Winnipeg. TPR 6.3%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: 66 Chevelle on April 20, 2021, 10:39:47 PM
LOL. Good point. Maybe they should name the team Edmonton Exit.

I'm not sure if I think no news is good news or bad news. Anxious to hear something about anything in regard to the 2021 season at the very least.

Nothing else will matter if that doesn't turn out reasonably well.

US news today that 40% of all adults have had at least the 1st vaccination. The catch is how many in the 20-30 age group ( CFL players for example ) will never get a vaccination.

51.1% of 18 and older have had at least the 1st shot... 33.3% have received their second shot...

80.3% of those 65+ have had at least the 1st shot... 65.1% have received their second shot...

over 206 million vaccinations have been given and we are averaging almost 3 million shots per week currently... according to what I've heard, that once we reach 70% vaccinated the virus will be under control... whatever that means...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 21, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
51.1% of 18 and older have had at least the 1st shot... 33.3% have received their second shot...

80.3% of those 65+ have had at least the 1st shot... 65.1% have received their second shot...

over 206 million vaccinations have been given and we are averaging almost 3 million shots per week currently... according to what I've heard, that once we reach 70% vaccinated the virus will be under control... whatever that means...

Just an FYI it's 3 - 4 million shots daily. That's remarkable progress.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 21, 2021, 01:37:11 PM
Meanwhile in Canada, 2.13% have received 2 doses and 17.5% have received 1 dose.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 21, 2021, 01:58:13 PM
The US is getting a lot of shots in arms, but there daily numbers are still up, and there hospitalisations are going up again. 32,228,968 cases, and 579,039 deaths in the US.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 21, 2021, 05:57:05 PM
162 cases in Manitoba today. Winnipeg had 76 cases and a TPR of 6.6 which seems to be growing each day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 22, 2021, 06:39:57 PM
Manitoba with 261 new cases today, 159 new cases in Winnipeg, with a TPR of 6.5%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 23, 2021, 05:05:05 PM
181 new cases in Manitoba today. With 103 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 6.8%. 2 death's, the male that was 50 was a friend of my brothers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on April 23, 2021, 06:08:32 PM
so sad  ........ so very sad with a passing


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 24, 2021, 07:29:19 PM
270 New cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 183 of those cases in Winnipeg. The TPR in Winnipeg is 7.2%. This is a very big jump. I can see shut downs coming.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 25, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
259 in Manitoba today, with 188 of those cases in Winnipeg. The TPR in Winnipeg is 7.6%.

Ontario reporting 3975 cases today.

Alberta report 1592 cases, and ICU's are filling up quickly.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 25, 2021, 08:13:23 PM
Bianca Andreescu tests positive for Covid. She has had a tough time since winning the US open.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2021, 02:17:52 AM
CNN reporting tonight that US has millions of doses of Astra in storage.

India has only vaccinated about 2% of there population.

Japan who is hosting the Summer Olympics has vaccinated less then 1% of there population.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
210 cases of covid today in Manitoba. 157 in Winnipeg, with a TPR 8.2% and 500 plus idiots at the forks with no masks and no social distancing yesterday.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 26, 2021, 05:14:53 PM
Back to lockdown.

This is horrible.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2021, 09:04:36 PM
Just received a text from a buddy of mine. His wife who has been a nurse for 31 years decides retire today. In her words, I am not going to put myself or family at risk for all these people that can't follow basic rules.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 27, 2021, 03:46:46 PM
Back to lockdown.

This is horrible.

Yup... So sick of this crap. All thanks for covidiots who can't just see past their own selfishness.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 27, 2021, 06:39:35 PM
218 new covid cases in Manitoba today, with 156 of them in Winnipeg. The TPR is 8.4%.

My brother in-law went to RBC today to get her vaccination and said it's a well oil machine.

Zero wait time in fact his app. was for 9:30  and he was done and in his car by 9:50. Nice to hear.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 27, 2021, 07:43:58 PM
218 new covid cases in Manitoba today, with 156 of them in Winnipeg. The TPR is 8.4%.

My brother in-law went to RBC today to get her vaccination and said it's a well oil machine.

Zero wait time in fact his app. was for 9:30  and he was done and in his car by 9:50. Nice to hear.

Same experience for my wife the other weekend. She said she couldn't believe how well set up the supersite was and how efficient everything went. Didn't align at all with the bad press. Not that we don't need needles in arms to go faster...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2021, 04:42:06 PM
189 Covid cases today in Manitoba. 124 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 8.4%.

2 people in there 20's among the 3 deaths. The other person was 100.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2021, 05:17:39 PM
Nephew says he handed out 7 tickets today at one residence in the West End. Manitoba Housing rental property. 10 people living or visiting in the 2 bedroom home. Apparently only 3 people are supposed to be living there.

Never going to get this under control with crap like this.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 29, 2021, 03:07:11 PM
Quebec & Formula 1 cancel Montreal F1 Grand Prix for 2021.  They will have it in Turkey instead.  Turkey.

Let that sink in, every other country in the world with F1 scheduled this year (23 of them) is/will be running their race.  Except Canada.  And many of those countries are having more deaths from covid compared to Canada.

Canada is the laughing stock.  Beaten by near-dictatorship Turkey.  Have fun watching the Turkish Grand Prix from your basements.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: the paw on April 29, 2021, 03:21:35 PM
Same experience for my wife the other weekend. She said she couldn't believe how well set up the supersite was and how efficient everything went. Didn't align at all with the bad press. Not that we don't need needles in arms to go faster...

Got my vaccine at the super site on Tuesday.  I showed up at 3:15 for my 3:30 appt, went through screening, the lines and had the shot by 3:35, the longest part of the process was waiting the 15 minutes to leave.  I was out the door at 3:50 and home at 4:05.

Lots to criticize about the general government response, but the super site process isn't one of them, it was golden. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 29, 2021, 03:35:05 PM
2 people in there 20's among the 3 deaths. The person was 100.

How come all of your daily updates cherry-pick only the negative-looking stats?  How come for the days with zero deaths you quietly don't mention the death count for that day?

Manitoba deaths in April:
days with zero deaths: 8
days with one death: 10
days with two deaths: 4
days with three deaths: 6
days with more than three deaths: 0 ...  ZERO
trend in April: none discernable, about the same number of deaths in late April as early April.

That's doesn't look like a pandemic anymore to me.  That's doesn't look like a reason to lockdown the province and further limit our charter freedoms.  Do you know how many people died a day in Manitoba during the Spanish Flu?

You know how hard it is to get the MB covid deaths data?  Funny that, it's easy to find cases data, but impossible to find a chart anywhere that shows just the deaths.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe once people learn it's 0-3 deaths a day, with 1 on average, they won't be so eager for eternal CFL-killing lockdowns?  People are waking up, they're just too scared of Karen & the Stasi to speak up.  I'm not scared of Karen.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 03:42:22 PM
Quebec & Formula 1 cancel Montreal F1 Grand Prix for 2021.  They will have it in Turkey instead.  Turkey.

Let that sink in, every other country in the world with F1 scheduled this year (23 of them) is/will be running their race.  Except Canada.  And many of those countries are having more deaths from covid compared to Canada.

Canada is the laughing stock.  Beaten by near-dictatorship Turkey.  Have fun watching the Turkish Grand Prix from your basements.


You can always move to another country if you don't like how Canada is handling Covid. The lockdown will just give you more time to re-watch the GC.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 03:47:05 PM
Got my vaccine at the super site on Tuesday.  I showed up at 3:15 for my 3:30 appt, went through screening, the lines and had the shot by 3:35, the longest part of the process was waiting the 15 minutes to leave.  I was out the door at 3:50 and home at 4:05.

Lots to criticize about the general government response, but the super site process isn't one of them, it was golden. 

Nice to hear, it seems the super site is doing very well lately.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 04:05:31 PM
How come all of your daily updates cherry-pick only the negative-looking stats?  How come for the days with zero deaths you quietly don't mention the death count for that day?

Manitoba deaths in April:
days with zero deaths: 8
days with one death: 10
days with two deaths: 4
days with three deaths: 6
days with more than three deaths: 0 ...  ZERO
trend in April: none discernable, about the same number of deaths in late April as early April.

That's doesn't look like a pandemic anymore to me.  That's doesn't look like a reason to lockdown the province and further limit our charter freedoms.  Do you know how many people died a day in Manitoba during the Spanish Flu?

You know how hard it is to get the MB covid deaths data?  Funny that, it's easy to find cases data, but impossible to find a chart anywhere that shows just the deaths.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe once people learn it's 0-3 deaths a day, with 1 on average, they won't be so eager for eternal CFL-killing lockdowns?  People are waking up, they're just too scared of Karen & the Stasi to speak up.  I'm not scared of Karen.



Blah, Blah, Blah. I think there's a protest for you non-believes some place this weekend. Get out your little sign and don't wear a mask. You probably don't need vaccine because covid is no threat to you.

I think we went down this path with you a few 100 post ago, 1 death is 1 to many. 13 or 100 it really doesn't matter.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 29, 2021, 04:43:07 PM
How come all of your daily updates cherry-pick only the negative-looking stats?  How come for the days with zero deaths you quietly don't mention the death count for that day?

Manitoba deaths in April:
days with zero deaths: 8
days with one death: 10
days with two deaths: 4
days with three deaths: 6
days with more than three deaths: 0 ...  ZERO
trend in April: none discernable, about the same number of deaths in late April as early April.

That's doesn't look like a pandemic anymore to me.  That's doesn't look like a reason to lockdown the province and further limit our charter freedoms.  Do you know how many people died a day in Manitoba during the Spanish Flu?

You know how hard it is to get the MB covid deaths data?  Funny that, it's easy to find cases data, but impossible to find a chart anywhere that shows just the deaths.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe once people learn it's 0-3 deaths a day, with 1 on average, they won't be so eager for eternal CFL-killing lockdowns?  People are waking up, they're just too scared of Karen & the Stasi to speak up.  I'm not scared of Karen.


Anyone who follows the daily updates knows it's a couple deaths a day. The point is that these are deaths *under lockdown*. Cases, people in hospital, deaths, etc serve as an indicator of what's to come if we just open up and pretend it's not a problem, like you're advocating. No one is freaking out about a few deaths a day, they are using it to understand just how horribly bad it could be if we let the guards down.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 05:06:25 PM
230 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 177 of those cases in Winnipeg. 2 more death and Winnipeg's TPR is 8.3%.

More Schools shutting down, more kids getting Covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 30, 2021, 01:37:35 PM
A man in BC who held a large party has been given 1 day in jail, a $5,000 fine and 18 months probation. I like it, but it would have been better if he received 10 days in Jail.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 30, 2021, 05:20:01 PM
290 new covid cases today in Manitoba, with 187 of those in Winnipeg with one death. Winnipeg's TPR 8.2%.

149 people still hospital recovering from covid, 39 of those are in ICU.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 01, 2021, 08:29:24 PM
273 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today. Winnipeg had 199 of those cases, and TPR of 8.3%. Also 2 more deaths.


There has also been 2 cases of swine flu pop up.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: the paw on May 01, 2021, 09:20:50 PM
There was an article in the Globe and Mail talking about some British studies indicating that a single shot of the Pfizer, while providing significant protection, has diminished efficacy against variants.  The second shot is needed to really get the highest level of protection.

Given that MB is projecting a 4 week lapse until second shot, a lot of people are not going to be fully protected until Labour Day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 02, 2021, 04:55:29 PM
281 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 178 of those cases in Winnipeg. TPR in Winnipeg is 8.4%. 2 deaths today with one of them a women in her 30's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 03, 2021, 06:39:43 PM
250 new cases today in Manitoba, 184 of those cases in Winnipeg with a TPR of 8.7%. This up from last week.

There was another death. Man in his 50's. B.1.1.7 variant related.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 04, 2021, 05:26:04 PM
291 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today. 212 of those cases are in Winnipeg, with a TPR of 9.2%. There was also one death today, the man was in his 40's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 05, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
272 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with Winnipeg having 182 of those cases. The TPR is still at 9.2%, and we had 2 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 06, 2021, 04:59:24 PM
363 new cases of Covid in Manitoba, with 263 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is at 10.4% and 4 more deaths.  Not a good day for Manitoba.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 07, 2021, 03:40:37 PM
Apparently, by May 21, all people will be eligible for shots.  I'm guessing second shots might happen shortly thereafter.  Wondering if they will do the same age / priority order for second shots, or just based on when you got your first one...

My 24 year old daughter is still waiting for her shot, even though she is considered "Priority One" by the gov't (she is taking immune suppressors for Crohn's).  She is not allowed to go to the supersites, just pharmacies, and pharmacies only have AZ which cannot be given to people under 30.   Why they haven't opened supersites to "Priority One" list, but have for vocation/location "hot spot" people befuddles me.  I have been asking for weeks, with no response from the PC gov't at any level.  Makes voting for them again almost impossible.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 07, 2021, 04:49:05 PM
502 cases today. TPR for Winnipeg at 11.4%, for MB 9.6%... Brutal.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 07, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
502 cases today. TPR for Winnipeg at 11.4%, for MB 9.6%... Brutal.

This is why we can't have nice things... camping restrictions until after May 24, looks like restaurant restrictions coming tonight to kill Mother's day.  If only the schools had better protection (better ventilation, better PPE, vaccines for teachers) and citizens a little less selfish in flaunting gathering rules, we might be past this...



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: barrywpg on May 07, 2021, 07:12:43 PM
I wish they would say how many of these cases have 1, 2 or 0 vaccine doses


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on May 07, 2021, 08:22:12 PM
Apparently, by May 21, all people will be eligible for shots.  I'm guessing second shots might happen shortly thereafter.  Wondering if they will do the same age / priority order for second shots, or just based on when you got your first one...

In talks with the pharmacist who jabbed me in the shoulder yesterday, it sounds with the expected volume of vaccines (again it has to actually happen, but let's assume things get back on track) over the next few weeks will allow for tight(er) windows from the first shot to the second (i.e. 3 weeks for Pfizer and 4 weeks for Moderna) regardless of age.   They've already got me pencilled in for June 6 for #2.

That being said, she also informed me that there's a fairly serious issue with people multi booking locations and then trying to shorten the second shot scenario (you'd like to think in this day and age that would not be possible, but at 40,000 shots a day in AB, it's not inconceivable that some people get away with it) with pretty bad results.  She made mention that one person some how took 3 shots in a week, and is now in a coma because of it (seems a little far fetched on face value, but at the same time, she had no reason to lie about it).  Long story short - give the first dose the time to work before the second shot.  I was wiped out last night (was feeling great at 5 pm, was sleeping by 6pm for 12 hours), today feel fine, arms still a bit sore.  My wife didn't fair quite as well, she still feels like a Riderfan, but she usually has harsher reactions than I do.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 08, 2021, 06:36:23 PM
488 new cases today in Manitoba, with 389 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 12.6% and we had 3 deaths including a female in her 20's from Winnipeg.

My cousin arrived in Winnipeg on Monday morning, flew out last night, not one person at the airport said anything to her. What about the 14 days?




Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 09, 2021, 05:55:52 PM
532 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 442 of those cases in Winnipeg. The TPR is 13% and we 3 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 10, 2021, 05:03:17 PM
502 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 399 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 13.8%. We also had 4 deaths, with a person in there 40's, 50's, 60's, and 80's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 11, 2021, 05:00:18 PM
329 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today with 235 of these cases in Winnipeg. Looks like zero deaths, but our TPR is 14.2%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 12, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
364 cases of Covid in Manitoba today with 223 of those case in Winnipeg. TPR in Winnipeg is 14.4% and we had 3 deaths.

Sad news, Manitoba has hit the 1000th death today.

The good new, anyone 18 or older can now be vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 12, 2021, 07:21:10 PM
Was in virtual court today dealing with three garnishments. Wow, talk about a hassle. Thanks to the court clerk we are done with those three ex-tenants, and they will have a little less on pay day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 13, 2021, 05:46:37 PM
560 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 431 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 14.4%. 3 more deaths in Manitoba. This is a single day record for Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 14, 2021, 01:36:37 PM
Pfizer vaccinations now for anyone 12 years and older.  We just signed up all the Grandkids, no excuses now.

The US is paying people to get vaccinated, but there daily numbers are dropping. Only in the US you would have to pay people to protect themselves. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on May 14, 2021, 02:49:35 PM
Only in the US you would have to pay people to protect themselves. 

And Winkler. ;)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 14, 2021, 04:11:35 PM
Have never heard they are paying people to take the vaccine in Winkler?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on May 16, 2021, 11:10:13 AM
Have never heard they are paying people to take the vaccine in Winkler?

No, just taking a shot based on recent reports that vaccine uptake has been low in the Winkler and Steinbach areas.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on May 17, 2021, 12:56:41 AM
Do you think they will issue"passports" to verify who has the vaccine and let those people attend games. I got my first shot Astra Zeneca, no side effects, at No frill pharmacy a month ago. It took five minutes.

I called to enquire about the second shot, and the attendant didn't know.

I think if we all got the shot, life would start to return to normal.  Certainly. Our poor businesses that. Have to close, have to be at wits end.

I sure don't wanna. Miss any CFL football. Plus. Some wings and. A few. Cold beers in a bar atmosphere, would be nice.

Go Bombers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on May 17, 2021, 12:47:30 PM
It's not a passport. It's proof of being vaccinated. Lots of countries already require proof of vaccination for other diseases. I'm 100% for adding your Covid Vaccination status to drivers licences or other official ID so it's easy for businesses to check before they let you in.

No Vaccination? NO FOOTBALL FOR YOU!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 17, 2021, 01:19:55 PM
It's not a passport. It's proof of being vaccinated. Lots of countries already require proof of vaccination for other diseases. I'm 100% for adding your Covid Vaccination status to drivers licences or other official ID so it's easy for businesses to check before they let you in.

No Vaccination? NO FOOTBALL FOR YOU!

In Manitoba they are looking at providing separate proof of vaccination cards. They are already providing proof of vaccine documentation for when this eventuality occurs.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on May 17, 2021, 02:15:01 PM
In Manitoba they are looking at providing separate proof of vaccination cards. They are already providing proof of vaccine documentation for when this eventuality occurs.
Cool. I hope it's a card that's not easy to fake, cuz the covidiots will fake them for sure.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 17, 2021, 05:03:00 PM
430 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 313 in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 14.3, and there was 1 death in the Southern Region.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
Cool. I hope it's a card that's not easy to fake, cuz the covidiots will fake them for sure.

At this point I just don't care. Get it done and let us move on with our lives.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: 66 Chevelle on May 18, 2021, 01:12:53 PM
I've got my vaccination card but it also has multiple open lines on it as with what has become the standard flu, there will be annual COVID19 flu shots required to keep from getting it... at least for the foreseeable future...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on May 18, 2021, 01:24:44 PM
At this point I just don't care. Get it done and let us move on with our lives.
You do realize that the new normal will be different than the old normal was... right? Getting on with our lives will include vaccine proof and yearly vaccinations and giving people distance in public and other things that I haven't thought of yet.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 18, 2021, 03:13:02 PM
You do realize that the new normal will be different than the old normal was... right? Getting on with our lives will include vaccine proof and yearly vaccinations and giving people distance in public and other things that I haven't thought of yet.

I hope so but I have little hope based on how this pandemic has played out 15 months in.

The old normal kinda sucked, anyway.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
You do realize that the new normal will be different than the old normal was... right? Getting on with our lives will include vaccine proof and yearly vaccinations and giving people distance in public and other things that I haven't thought of yet.

I have no doubt that the new normal will be different but it will be a heckuva lot closer to the old normal than where we are at right now. Personally, I don't like crowded situations so I am alright with space.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 05:07:30 PM
I hope so but I have little hope based on how this pandemic has played out 15 months in.

The old normal kinda sucked, anyway.

Yep...it was time for a new normal with or without the pandemic. Personal space has been an issue for years.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
I've got my vaccination card but it also has multiple open lines on it as with what has become the standard flu, there will be annual COVID19 flu shots required to keep from getting it... at least for the foreseeable future...

Well...that's the overpopulated causing pandemic outbreaks world we live in I guess. Was just a matter of time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 18, 2021, 06:16:25 PM
335 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 241 of those cases in Winnipeg. 1 death and Manitoba's TPR is 13%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on May 18, 2021, 07:18:24 PM
Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 18, 2021, 07:46:29 PM
Yep...it was time for a new normal with or without the pandemic. Personal space has been an issue for years.

I was referring more so to how selfish, inconsiderate, and generally awful people can be for no particular reason other than their own lousy self-important delusions. The pandemic has really shone a light on the dregs of society, IMO. Which is to say nothing of how willfully ignorant those types choose to be.

Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence

Seems like a common thing in the US but I haven't heard of anyone here or elsewhere in Canada getting a vaccination card.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 18, 2021, 08:44:19 PM
I am getting my second shot next week, I hope they send me one of those vaccine cards. lol.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: barrywpg on May 19, 2021, 01:38:55 AM
Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence

https://sharedhealthmb.ca/covid19/test-results/

 Important Information Regarding Your COVID-19 Immunization
COVID-19 immunization information can take up to 10 days to become available online. If you do not have a Manitoba Health Family Registration card to create an account, contact your local public health office to request a copy of your immunization record.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 19, 2021, 03:52:15 PM
Got my AZ shot a month ago, was a "Priority Two" lister for the first dose (living with/caring for a "Priority One" lister who is on immumosuppresants)

They have made a Priority list for second doses that only includes health conditions (like immunosuppressed people) but does not include those caring for / living with those on the Priority list.  I hope they quickly add that second list, because even having two doses, many immune compromised people's systems can still not mount a defense against COVID, and those they live with can pose a danger.  I get the first dose is 80% effective or so against spread, but that 20% is still too much risk, caregivers/companions need to be protected to protect the vulnerable.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 19, 2021, 05:47:29 PM
Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence

66 Chevelle lives in Missoura.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 19, 2021, 05:51:09 PM
Got my AZ shot a month ago, was a "Priority Two" lister for the first dose (living with/caring for a "Priority One" lister who is on immumosuppresants)

They have made a Priority list for second doses that only includes health conditions (like immunosuppressed people) but does not include those caring for / living with those on the Priority list.  I hope they quickly add that second list, because even having two doses, many immune compromised people's systems can still not mount a defense against COVID, and those they live with can pose a danger.  I get the first dose is 80% effective or so against spread, but that 20% is still too much risk, caregivers/companions need to be protected to protect the vulnerable.


Read an article today that there's a plan for a rollout of the second shot, with the expected date for shots to be COMPLETE by July 31. I get these sound optimistic and demand on supply but...that really excites me. You are certainly correct that second doses play a critical role to actually getting back to normal, even though it's also very good that we are getting first doses into people at a hugely accelerated rate...finally.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 19, 2021, 07:08:57 PM
402 new cases in Manitoba today, with 252 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is a crazy 15.1%, and we had 4 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 19, 2021, 09:36:04 PM
402 new cases in Manitoba today, with 252 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is a crazy 15.1%, and we had 4 deaths.

I hate TPR stats.. has nothing to do with anything.  402 cases is distressing, as is the 132 ICU beds in use (80 COVID related) and the 2 soon to be 3 patients transferred to Ontario. 

TPR goes high when tests go down.  The number of tests recently is lower than it has been, I'm guessing people who are not vaccinated also don't care about getting tested until  they land in the hospital, having infected everyone they have been in contact with. 

I am confident that the vast majority of Manitobans are being responsible, getting vaccinated and following current guidelines.  The hundreds of new cases are no doubt largely people who are not being responsible...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 02:45:51 AM
I hate TPR stats.. has nothing to do with anything.  402 cases is distressing, as is the 132 ICU beds in use (80 COVID related) and the 2 soon to be 3 patients transferred to Ontario. 

TPR goes high when tests go down.  The number of tests recently is lower than it has been, I'm guessing people who are not vaccinated also don't care about getting tested until  they land in the hospital, having infected everyone they have been in contact with. 

I am confident that the vast majority of Manitobans are being responsible, getting vaccinated and following current guidelines.  The hundreds of new cases are no doubt largely people who are not being responsible...

If it's 15% of a 100 tests or 10,000 tests it's still 15%. Which is far to high.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2021, 01:31:01 PM
If it's 15% of a 100 tests or 10,000 tests it's still 15%. Which is far to high.

You miss the point.  If there is test hesitancy, the number jumps.  If there is no test hesitancy, the number drops.  If there is easy test availability, the number drops, if tests are harder to get, the number jumps. 

The actual number of infections has little relation to the TPR.  Want TPR down?  Incentivize testing.  Open up testing sites.  Advertise "Feeling a little sick?  Go get tested".  These things do nothing to reduce the spread, but will all reduce TPR. 

My concern right now is contact tracing, and where does it lead back to.  Where are these cases coming from.  What activities are causing the third wave.  and then actively working to shut down these pathways of infection.  For instance, 500 new cases would be 36.6/100k. That number stays exactly the same regardless how many tests were run.


I know gym rats think gyms should be open, I know people want to get haircuts, and everyone wants to go to a movie and dine in a restaurant,the current lockdown targets certain activities that logically are potential points of spread.  But are they where we are getting this third wave from?  Or is it antimask rallies and church services?  Or is it retail shopping?  I still see whole families doing to grocery stores, or home depot.  And people lining up to get into Ikea or the new Home Sense.  Or is it public transit? 

We need to know MORE about why there is spread, and what measures are needed to curtail it.  Freaking out about a number that is just a ratio between a dire stat and an irrelevant one is dumb.  I'd replace TPR with cases/100k.  THAT shows actual spread numbers in stable relative and relatable terms.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
Both my grandson's were vaccinated today, 12 and 14, granddaughter is tomorrow, she's 12. Very happy.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 05:15:54 PM
Manitoba had a one day record of 603 new cases, with Winnipeg having 409 of those cases and a TPR of 15.3%. It's looking like 3 deaths, and 291 people in hospital, with 232 of those being active cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 20, 2021, 05:47:30 PM
There are many people gathering socially. I can drive down my back lane on any given evening and see gatherings on decks and backyards with multiple vehicles in driveways and along the street. I live in a primarily forty something neighborhood and a ton of people just aren't buying into the public health orders anymore. I am sure this applies to almost every neighborhood around. People are even being sneaky and parking on the street 4 or 5 houses down from where they are gathering.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 06:26:50 PM
There are many people gathering socially. I can drive down my back lane on any given evening and see gatherings on decks and backyards with multiple vehicles in driveways and along the street. I live in a primarily forty something neighborhood and a ton of people just aren't buying into the public health orders anymore. I am sure this applies to almost every neighborhood around. People are even being sneaky and parking on the street 4 or 5 houses down from where they are gathering.

This very true. Yesterday I was at No Frills, there was a family there Mom, Dad, and the 3 kids. Like you really need 5 people to pickup groceries. There is still people that don't understand what 6 feet is . Just stand on the dam dot on the floor, it's idiot proof.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jayrock on May 20, 2021, 07:01:49 PM
We have plans to go camping this weekend, being may long and all. But I have a feeling that after 4pm today, that those plans will not be happening.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 21, 2021, 02:13:46 AM
Love the one person from each family shopping rule.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on May 21, 2021, 03:50:07 AM
It is amazing to me that people can't even social distance and adhere to one way aisles and walkways in grocery stores and malls.  Such a simple thing to do yet so many people ignore the guidelines even though the aisles and walkways are clearly marked  >:( ::)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 21, 2021, 03:58:08 AM
It is amazing to me that people can't even social distance and adhere to one way aisles and walkways in grocery stores and malls.  Such a simple thing to do yet so many people ignore the guidelines even though the aisles and walkways are clearly marked  >:( ::)

Yes, it's pretty amazing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 21, 2021, 02:08:10 PM
We have plans to go camping this weekend, being may long and all. But I have a feeling that after 4pm today, that those plans will not be happening.

Luckily that's not the case.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jayrock on May 21, 2021, 02:28:47 PM
So glad we can go, and have fires....LOL. went out last night and set up with my boys, came in this morning to work. So not to bad of a start.
Still can not believe the new restrictions. SO week.....it should have been common sense from day one not to drag your kids to the store with you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 21, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
A fire mite cost you a couple of thousand $$ this weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 22, 2021, 12:54:51 AM
594 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, 420of those cases are in Winnipeg. The TPR is 16.1%, and there were 3 deaths.

Don't get a serious injury this weekend as the ICU is full.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 22, 2021, 05:06:48 PM
Well, got my second AZ dose with my wife this morning at the walk in vaccine clinic at Shoppers on Osborne.

They have adjusted the AZ second dose protocol to minimum 4 weeks, with a recommendation of 12 for "best efficacy".  It was developed with a 4 week spacing for doses, but to get more people the first dose, many regions adopted the 12-16 week standpoint.

I think that with doses about to expire, and AZ not being the most popular vaccine, they opened up second dosing early.  I was interested in getting a second dose of mRNA, just to get the reported hybrid vigour and to avoid having to wait 12 weeks as well, but I was ecstatic to get wind of this walk in, showed up just before 8 am and was 6th in line to get jabbed.  In and out in half an hour, including the 15 min post jab wait. 

My concern is that I work in retail, so my exposure is higher than average.  I'm not worried about myself getting it, especially after getting my first dose.  But the second dose give that extra protection of not getting it and taking it home to my immune suppressed daughter (who thankfully has her first dose of Moderna)

So, I am now "Two Shots Jeff"...

Hold it... maybe no... ;)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 22, 2021, 06:23:45 PM
476 new case of Covid in Manitoba today, with 360 new cases in Winnipeg. TPR is 16.8%, and we had 6 deaths. One of the deaths was a women in her 30's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 23, 2021, 06:09:33 PM
461 new case in Manitoba today, with 299 in Winnipeg, and 76 in the Southern Health Region. Winnipeg's TPR is 16.7% and we had one death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 23, 2021, 06:41:35 PM
Lots of talk about how many of the ICU patients are unvaccinated... or had been vaccinated but contracted the disease before efficacy started.

People need to get their shots.  I really don't get it...

I know people who have been eligible early, wither police, health care sector or indentifying indigenous, who have not gotten theirs yet.  I am not sorry to say I have encouraged strongly (OK, bullied) them all into getting appointments, and all will be jabbed withing the next week or so, but it stymies me why anyone who isn't a full on conspiracy nut anti-vaxxer wouldn't get their shot ASAP. 

Now I'm hearing people shopping for one vaccine over another... what the heck? 

Get a shot NOW.  It could be a difference between life and death, the latter coming thousands of miles away in another province with no one you know beside you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 23, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
As much as we would all like to see 100% vaccination, I would be very happy with 80/85%.

However, I believe people should take the vaccine they feel most comfortable with.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 05:34:17 PM
353 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with Winnipeg having 269 of those cases.

We are now at 1033 deaths, 318 in hospital, 88 in ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 24, 2021, 06:01:06 PM
As much as we would all like to see 100% vaccination, I would be very happy with 80/85%.

However, I people believe should take the vaccine they feel most comfortable with.

No one shops around for which MMR vaccine they get for thier kids, no one shops around for which parvo/distemper vaccine they get for their dogs, this whole idea of shopping for which COVID vaccine you get is weird.  Its a vaccine.  It helps prevent infection and pretty much prevents bad outcomes (ICO visits/deaths).  Which one you are "comfortable" with is just a weird concept. 

Yes, they have different potential reactions, and are different in their action, but the outcome is the same, and the adverse reactions are so insignificant as to render them moot.  You are more at risk eating lettuce than getting a COVID vaccine. And don't leave the house, driving in a car is WAY more dangerous.  And stay away from the bathtub.

If you have the luxury of shopping around for which vaccine you want, knock yourself out.  But waiting to get the one you want is asking for trouble. 

Vaccine hesitancy is weird, I still don't get it.  How the conspiracy idiots managed to make vaccines and masks symbols of Marxism and loss of freedoms I will never understand. 

Watching things like the "Magnet challenge" sholld be enough to convince anyone that vaccine conspiracies are looney.  The concept that the vaccine contains a microchip that allows Bill Gates to track you, or change your sexual preference, or render you sterile or some other lunacy is just mind boggling.

Saw this interesting fact, though.  One of teh long term effects of surviving a COVID infection is erectile dysfunction.  So pFizer wins, either way..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
You can rant all you want, but people have been given a choice and it's there right to pick which vaccine there comfortable with. As long as people are getting vaccinated it's a good thing.

Some of my wife's patients are at risk for blood clot's after surgery, so they decided to stay away from AZ.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 07:59:15 PM
Grandson's are finished school. My daughter received a letter today which said the boy's have completed all of the requirement needed to move on to there next level of education. Which is nice to see that the hard work they have put in has paid off with an extra 5 weeks holidays. School is out for summer. AC.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Garden Hill First Nations will hold there students back one year. Sad.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 10:02:21 PM
Last count 14 patients have been shipped out of Manitoba in to Ontario.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 10:17:55 PM
Covid sniffing dogs? It's true, apparently fast and accurate.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 25, 2021, 03:15:16 PM
You can rant all you want, but people have been given a choice and it's there right to pick which vaccine there comfortable with. As long as people are getting vaccinated it's a good thing.

Some of my wife's patients are at risk for blood clot's after surgery, so they decided to stay away from AZ.

Not an issue with "vaccine selection" based on actual medical conditions... but delaying vaccine administration waiting for the latest trending popular one (celebrity X got Moderna, so that's the one I want" is the thing I worry about.  Or "J&J is one shot, so I am waiting until I can get that one" is another issue.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 25, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
259 New cases in Manitoba today, 187 in Winnipeg. 7 more deaths reported over the last two days. Winnipeg TPR 15.7%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on May 25, 2021, 06:31:22 PM
Get going downward Winnipeg ....... be responsible people & let's beat this **** storm of evil


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 26, 2021, 03:19:54 PM
Listening to CJOB today: People blaming the Government for the 3rd. wave. Really, blame the people that can't follow simple rules.

I was are No-Frill for my weekly shopping trip, still people come to the store in couples, or full family's.

My son was at HD Polo Park yesterday, same thing people coming to the store in couples, and 2 jackass's with no masks on in the paint department.

My buddies son, last week issued 16 tickets over a 3 day period to 15 gentlemen, and one female. The female had 15 gentlemen visit her home in a period of 3 days. And that's only while he was watching.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 26, 2021, 08:00:40 PM
Manitoba had 312 new case of Covid today, with 240 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 15%, and we had 1 death.

318 people in Hospital, 65 of those still are getting treatment but no longer are infected with Covid. 74 people in ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 26, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
Trending the right way of late, fingers crossed it continues.  Just through shear numbers of vaccines going out, it should start dropping, except in areas of vaccine hesitancy.  Still have to break through to those that either don't understand how to get a vaccine, or are having issues registering... we are going to need people in those communities to step up and help...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2021, 02:16:31 AM
Well my 2nd. shot is in, very simple and easy again. The RBC is a well oiled machine right now. Was nice to see all the 12-17's there today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: drahgon on May 27, 2021, 01:37:33 PM
Well my 2nd. shot is in, very simple and easy again. The RBC is a well oiled machine right now. Was nice to see all the 12-17's there today.

Sure is, went for my first shot this week and was in and out in less than 25 minutes including the 15 minute wait after you get the shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 27, 2021, 05:26:05 PM
Sure is, went for my first shot this week and was in and out in less than 25 minutes including the 15 minute wait after you get the shot.

Yep, had my first shot Tuesday. It was like an assembly line in there. I was expecting chaos but everyone was so pleasant and just happy to be part of the solution to get back to normal.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on May 30, 2021, 05:01:22 AM
I completely understand where you are coming from, I am a strong believer in vaccines and I myself have had two Moderna jabs. 

That said I did shop for MMR vaccines for my kids and had to take them to the USA. 

I understand different people have not had the jab for different reasons.  Some people cannot have certain ones or any because a medical condition and they follow the advice of their physician. 

I think some people are just scared.  The vaccines were developed quickly but they still had to go through trials and peer reviews. People are afraid of politicians which is probably healthy but they should listen to doctors, especially their own and scientists.  I must  say that the mRNA vaccines are like Star Wars and a game changer.  While new in mass distribution the organization I was with in the USA were researching these 25 or more years ago.  Ok so they concern you then take the old school vaccines like J&J, AstraZeneca etc.  We have been using similar vaccines fir 100 years of inserting dead or live virus to build immunity. There is really no excuse. 

Then there are some misguided religious types.

Then there are some that have the you are not the boss of me attitude.

Then there are the conspiracy people.

Then there are the internet researchers that never read studies or peer reviewed articles s, not that many would understand, but read some blog of some schmoe in Indiana who has the kernel of knowledge. 

We should be able to chose but with those choices come consequences.   Proof of vaccination will be real especially foe travel. For years in parts of Asia and Africa I have had to show proof, especially yellow fever.  World wide pandemic trumps yellow fever.  What if I am an employer and have a legal duty to protect employees and customers?

I fear we have more Margorie Taylor Greene?s in Canad? than I would like to admit. 

People should talk to their doctor.

 
Lots of talk about how many of the ICU patients are unvaccinated... or had been vaccinated but contracted the disease before efficacy started.

People need to get their shots.  I really don't get it...

I know people who have been eligible early, wither police, health care sector or indentifying indigenous, who have not gotten theirs yet.  I am not sorry to say I have encouraged strongly (OK, bullied) them all into getting appointments, and all will be jabbed withing the next week or so, but it stymies me why anyone who isn't a full on conspiracy nut anti-vaxxer wouldn't get their shot ASAP. 

Now I'm hearing people shopping for one vaccine over another... what the heck? 

Get a shot NOW.  It could be a difference between life and death, the latter coming thousands of miles away in another province with no one you know beside you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 31, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
It sounds like there are technical problem with the actual numbers for today.

303 new cases in Manitoba today, with 226 cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 13.7% and we had one death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 31, 2021, 04:50:23 PM
I had my second vaccination of Pfizer last week. Stiff shoulder for 1 day, slight headache for a couple of days. All in all feeling very good.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 01, 2021, 04:34:03 PM
232 new cases of covid today in Manitoba, with 168 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 13.5%, and 3 deaths. The ICU's are still full, and the nurses are talking about a strike.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bwiser on June 01, 2021, 05:46:08 PM
Got my second shot today. Its a great feeling. My brothers and my son had their second shots last week so we could be having a bit of a party in two weeks time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jayrock on June 01, 2021, 08:28:09 PM
not there yet on the second shot list. But my two oldest kids go next week for their first. They are pretty excited, as they want to be able to see their friends and play sports again. so they have been texting all their friends telling them to go get it..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 01, 2021, 10:27:40 PM
Now if we can only get people in Winkler and Morden to start getting shots.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 01, 2021, 10:30:38 PM
My brother has decided to wait till the 8th week to get his second Pfizer shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 02, 2021, 03:09:45 AM
We just got back from a walking our dog. Ran into my neighbors son who said his Mom was just fined for the 9th time and may be arrested.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on June 02, 2021, 06:27:04 PM
People who are fully vaccinated should be allowed each others company without restriction. That might speed things along for people who are waffling or too lazy to go get vaccinated. The anti-vaxxers...you've made your choice, you can wait under restriction until the numbers drastically reduce.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 02, 2021, 07:04:14 PM
267 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 198 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 12.9% and we had 6 deaths.

I agree that people who have had there second shot should get a vaccination card and should be able to visit others who have also been totally vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 03, 2021, 05:28:24 PM
Vaccines are now going to community places. It's since been shown Pfizer is good for a few hours outside of cryo temps. My wife has her second dose booked for June 15 but just heard they will be at St Boniface hospital where she works tomorrow so will be able to just get it there. Awesome.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 07, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
169 new cases today in Manitoba, with 111 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 12.7 %, and we had 2 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 08, 2021, 06:36:10 PM
Signed up for my immunization card today. Very easy. Two shots, 14 day waiting period, and Bob's your Uncle. Not that going any place right now, but this is a nice thing to have in your pocket when CFL football starts up again, Quick trip to Grand Forks, or just visiting a relative in a nursing home. A little bit of freedom. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 08, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
237 new cases in Manitoba today, with 144 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 12.6% and we had 2 deaths. Still around 300 people in hospital, 65-70 in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 09, 2021, 09:15:13 PM
A teenage boy has died of Covid in Winnipeg, very sad to hear this news.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 10, 2021, 05:56:37 PM
Numbers are staying pretty steady. 251 new case today in Manitoba, with 142 in Winnipeg. TPR is 11.6% in Winnipeg and we had 6 more deaths. Delta has also arrived in Winnipeg.

On another note: Dropped into HD today to pickup building supplies for a cabin I purchased on the Bird River. Far to many people in the store, couples shopping together. I can see a 4th wave coming.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 10, 2021, 08:51:01 PM
Nurses have voted to strike. And it was by a overwhelming amount. 4 years without a contract.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 11, 2021, 03:39:42 AM
Well it's up to the people of Manitoba. 70% first dose, and 25% second dose, gets us open to 25%. 75% first dose and 50% second dose, gets us open 50%. 80% first dose, 75% second dose, gets us open 100%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on June 16, 2021, 01:47:06 AM
Ignoring science, especially medical science, is not generally a good path to follow. Not initially having vaccine and some guidelines for people to follow resulted in a global disaster.

Most people would not agree with you.  Just saying.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on June 16, 2021, 01:36:06 PM
Redz... You are wrong. Not sure where you're getting you info from, but it's wrong too. 3.8 Million people have died from Covid so far and more are dying every day.

Experts change their minds as more information becomes available. That's part of how science works. Politicians make decisions that aren't based on the science, but pretend it is. That's how politics works. Vaccines aren't an excuse, they are the cure to the pandemic. You and people like you are part of the problem. Don't get vaccinated and you won't be travelling anywhere outside of Canada and the US or going on a cruise. Catch Covid and you run the risk of being removed from the gene pool. Society is almost at the point where the Covidiots and Antivaxxers can get sick and not hurt anyone but themselves and I for one am OK with that.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 16, 2021, 02:33:42 PM
You should and you will know your own body instead of going along a long list of excuses delivered by the health experts.

Such a dangerously ignorant and misinformed comment.  I take it you don't go for annual check-ups.

What "excuses" are health experts making re: vaccines, BTW? The consensus is solid: vaccines work and save lives. The end.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 16, 2021, 05:28:03 PM
My head hurts


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 16, 2021, 05:58:39 PM
You probably got the Moderna vaccine.



The main problem is that I am not educated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 16, 2021, 06:13:56 PM
The main problem is that I am not educated.

You're probably not woke enough, either.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 16, 2021, 08:08:51 PM
The was 144 new cases of covid in Manitoba today, with 80 of them in Winnipeg. Our TPR is doing much better at 9.2%. But it's very sad to see we had 7 more deaths.

Thanks to everyone getting vaccinated we are getting there.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 17, 2021, 05:22:08 PM
183 new cases in Manitoba today, with 90 of those in Winnipeg. The TPR is 8.5% for Winnipeg, and we had one death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 18, 2021, 05:52:19 PM
189 new cases today in Manitoba. 87 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 8.3%, and we sadly had 4 more deaths, a female in her 30's was among those deaths.

Still to many people shopping in groups. Home Depot told my Nephew today that there aren't there to enforce the rules that's his job. He handed out 8 tickets in less than 1 hour, and is fining the store for exceeding there limit.

Still waiting for my Immunization Card.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 19, 2021, 08:36:29 PM
153 cases in Manitoba today. 61 of those are in Winnipeg, 33 in the North, and 32 in the South. Winnipeg's TPR is now 7.4%, but we had 3 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 20, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
93 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 42 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 7.2%, but we did have 6 more deaths.

I am not reading much into these numbers this weekend as many of the test sites have had very little traffic this weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 21, 2021, 06:34:47 PM
74 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 50 of those cases in Winnipeg. I death, and Winnipeg had a TPR of 6.9%.

I am not going to get to excited over this just yet, as some of the test sites in Winnipeg sent worker home on the weekend due to very low numbers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 21, 2021, 07:08:51 PM
We are coming off the third wave and I just became eligibly & booked my second dose today, getting jabbed Sunday evening. Starting to feel like we are coming into normal.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 21, 2021, 08:38:05 PM
Wow, that was quick. I know someone at the lake that was trying to book there 2nd. Pfizer last week and was told July 22 at RBC.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 21, 2021, 10:02:23 PM
We did it people of Manitoba. Over 70% with first shot, and over 25% with 2nd. shot, 10 days ahead of Canada Day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 22, 2021, 08:20:21 AM
A big kudo's to all those people that lined up all day and some camped out all night to get a Pfizer shot at the Shoppers Drug Mart on River and Osborne.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 22, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
Wow, that was quick. I know someone at the lake that was trying to book there 2nd. Pfizer last week and was told July 22 at RBC.



Yeah, the reason why I was able to get in so quick is because I'm going to get Moderna as my second shot (had Pfizer for dose #1). Last week it was announced that it's safe to use the mRNA vaccines interchangeably, which is fantastic. They have the same high efficacy, so who cares


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 22, 2021, 05:59:45 PM
66 new cases in Manitoba today, with 33 of them in Winnipeg. TPR is 6.6% in Winnipeg, and there was 4 deaths. One of the deaths was a male in his 20's. Keep it up people we are going in the right direction. Keep getting those shots.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 22, 2021, 10:18:40 PM
American vaccination program has stalled. Canada is killing the US in younger adults and teens getting vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on June 23, 2021, 12:55:15 PM
Yeah, the reason why I was able to get in so quick is because I'm going to get Moderna as my second shot (had Pfizer for dose #1). Last week it was announced that it's safe to use the mRNA vaccines interchangeably, which is fantastic. They have the same high efficacy, so who cares

I called the vaccine line after I read your post to see if I could get my appointment moved up if I switched to Moderna and it wasn't enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile changing. The agent also said that if I booked an appointment today the earliest I could get in would be July 23, regardless of Pfizer or Moderna. So, it looks like you lucked out Blue or Die. Good for you.

Any other noteworthy booking experiences people are having out there?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 23, 2021, 01:24:08 PM
I called the vaccine line after I read your post to see if I could get my appointment moved up if I switched to Moderna and it wasn't enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile changing. The agent also said that if I booked an appointment today the earliest I could get in would be July 23, regardless of Pfizer or Moderna. So, it looks like you lucked out Blue or Die. Good for you.

Any other noteworthy booking experiences people are having out there?

Aw man, sorry to hear! Yeah, sounds like I got really lucky  :-\

After I told a friend (Jesse on this forum actually) that I was able to book for Sunday he called and was able to switch his to Monday. Guess the floodgates really opened after that...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bluengold204 on June 23, 2021, 02:31:15 PM
I called the vaccine line after I read your post to see if I could get my appointment moved up if I switched to Moderna and it wasn't enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile changing. The agent also said that if I booked an appointment today the earliest I could get in would be July 23, regardless of Pfizer or Moderna. So, it looks like you lucked out Blue or Die. Good for you.

Any other noteworthy booking experiences people are having out there?

Friend of mine went online to book Pfizer at CC and got in the same day, must have been a cancellation at the same time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 23, 2021, 02:50:47 PM
Well our entire family is fully immunized so I am glad we don't have to worry about booking appointments anymore. My Grandson's school called my daughter to say they would like the kids fully immunized before school starts in September or they may have to do online learning.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 23, 2021, 06:21:39 PM
We had 123 new cases today in Manitoba, with 64 for cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR holds at 6.6%, and sadly we had 3 more deaths. So our cases just about doubled today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 24, 2021, 05:51:16 AM
Okay Bomber Fans, I am headed out on a week long fishing trip with my 2 Grandson's, I mite be to older for this, god help me. So someone else will have to keep this going. Keep getting those vaccinations. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 25, 2021, 09:36:41 PM
NEW Last updated: June 25, 2021

Public health officials advise one new death in a person with COVID-19 has been reported today:

a male in his 70s from Southern Health-Sante Sud linked to the B.1.1.7 (alpha) variant of concern.
The current five-day COVID-19 test positivity rate is 5.9 per cent provincially and 6.5 per cent in Winnipeg. As of 9:30 a.m. today, 85 new cases of the virus have been identified. However, one case has been removed due to data correction. This brings the net-new number of cases today to 84 and the total number of lab-confirmed cases in Manitoba to 55,777.

Today?s COVID-19 data shows:

10 cases in the Interlake-Eastern health region;
eight cases in the Northern health region;
five cases in the Prairie Mountain Health region;   
nine cases in the Southern Health-Sant? Sud health region; and   
53 cases in the Winnipeg health region.

GET YOU JABS CALL EVERYDAY TO TRY AND BUMP UP APPOINTMENTS


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 27, 2021, 04:56:20 PM
Sat 106

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-covid-19-update-1.6081716

Sun 97

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-covid-19-update-1.6082147


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 28, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
MON 61 NO DEATHS

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid19-manitoba-update-reopening-weekend-brent-roussin-1.6082738



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 29, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Got my vaccine card a while ago, ready and willing to be in the stands opening day, probably wearing a mask still.

Still don't understand why the CFLPA and CFL haven't made full vaccination mandatory for players. 

Winnipeg could start the train.  If it is mandatory for fans, why not for players?  There are morals clauses, substance clauses, this is a health concern, why can't there be a vaccine clause.  Playing in the CFL is not a right, it is a privilege.  If you want to play in the CFL, you have to CHOOSE to lead a moral life, you have to CHOOSE not to take banned substances, how is choosing to take a vaccine any different?   

For those that say "What if the player needs more data on whether vaccines are safe..."  well, 3 billion doses administered say HOW MUCH DATA IS ENOUGH?    If you can't get the picture that vaccines are safe and effective after 3 billion doses, and the fact that the USA is wide open due to vaccine, and other countries are still locked down, then you are too dumb to play on MY team. 

Sorry, its just a real sticking point for me.  How can you be a "team player" yet not take a little jab in the arm to protect your teammates and coaches?  Non vaccinated players are going to have to follow expensive and marginally effective protocols to prevent infection, and will probably still get infected with potentially tragic outcomes.

Do we want a player on the team that won't take two little jabs and might end up lost to us mid season due to COVID, or worse, as we enter the playoffs? 

The CFLPA needs to stop listening to the few very vocal antivaxxers, follow the science and look out for ALL the players.   We will not miss those few who refuse the vaccine, there are plenty that want their jobs. 

If that does not happen, I really hope that players realize that when it comes to cut day, and all other things being equal, if you have a player that is fully vaccinated and a player that is un-vaccinated and is going to require monitoring and protocols, they know that the vaccinated player is going to get the spot, right? 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 29, 2021, 05:09:02 PM
Agree ards, I'll have my card soon and I'll wear mask and shield likely while walking around

Tues 61 no deaths

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-19-update-manitoba-june-29-1.6084306


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 29, 2021, 05:20:55 PM
Got my second dose Sunday night (Moderna) and boy was I sick yesterday and still a bit today!

So glad that in 2 weeks I will get to maybe do a few more things to get back to normal life.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on June 29, 2021, 05:24:11 PM

The CFLPA needs to stop listening to the few very vocal antivaxxers, follow the science and look out for ALL the players.   We will not miss those few who refuse the vaccine, there are plenty that want their jobs.

Good stuff Aards ...... the above says it for me


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 29, 2021, 06:55:36 PM
Agree ards, I'll have my card soon and I'll wear mask and shield likely while walking around

Tues 61 no deaths

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-19-update-manitoba-june-29-1.6084306

Actually, there was one death, an MB patient in her 50' that had been sent to Ont May 28th.... but still awesome stats... we've dropped to the bottom of the top ten infection jurisdictions in Canada/US...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on June 29, 2021, 08:56:02 PM
Thanks and credit to pjrocksmb for keeping up the COVID stats during Pigskin's absence.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DCM on June 30, 2021, 02:15:05 AM
Still don't understand why the CFLPA and CFL haven't made full vaccination mandatory for players. 

Winnipeg could start the train.  If it is mandatory for fans, why not for players?  There are morals clauses, substance clauses, this is a health concern, why can't there be a vaccine clause.  Playing in the CFL is not a right, it is a privilege.  If you want to play in the CFL, you have to CHOOSE to lead a moral life, you have to CHOOSE not to take banned substances, how is choosing to take a vaccine any different?   

For those that say "What if the player needs more data on whether vaccines are safe..."  well, 3 billion doses administered say HOW MUCH DATA IS ENOUGH?    If you can't get the picture that vaccines are safe and effective after 3 billion doses, and the fact that the USA is wide open due to vaccine, and other countries are still locked down, then you are too dumb to play on MY team. 

Sorry, its just a real sticking point for me.  How can you be a "team player" yet not take a little jab in the arm to protect your teammates and coaches?  Non vaccinated players are going to have to follow expensive and marginally effective protocols to prevent infection, and will probably still get infected with potentially tragic outcomes.

Do we want a player on the team that won't take two little jabs and might end up lost to us mid season due to COVID, or worse, as we enter the playoffs? 

The CFLPA needs to stop listening to the few very vocal antivaxxers, follow the science and look out for ALL the players.   We will not miss those few who refuse the vaccine, there are plenty that want their jobs. 

If that does not happen, I really hope that players realize that when it comes to cut day, and all other things being equal, if you have a player that is fully vaccinated and a player that is un-vaccinated and is going to require monitoring and protocols, they know that the vaccinated player is going to get the spot, right? 
Vaccines aren't mandatory. They're mandatory to get into IG Field (Should be an easy legal challenge.) but they are in no way mandatory. If they were, we'd already be at 100% first and second shots then.

Vaccines have been in people's arms for how long? About 1/4th the actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe. So yeah, they're well within their rights to want to wait and see what, if any, kind of fall out could come. We're still in the early stages of proper testing. Just because someone hasn't gotten their shot because they don't feel safe doing so, doesn't make them an anti-vax and people need to grow up and quit trying to act like bullies.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2021, 03:19:15 PM
Vaccines aren't mandatory. They're mandatory to get into IG Field (Should be an easy legal challenge.) but they are in no way mandatory. If they were, we'd already be at 100% first and second shots then.

Vaccines have been in people's arms for how long? About 1/4th the actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe. So yeah, they're well within their rights to want to wait and see what, if any, kind of fall out could come. We're still in the early stages of proper testing. Just because someone hasn't gotten their shot because they don't feel safe doing so, doesn't make them an anti-vax and people need to grow up and quit trying to act like bullies.

OK, I'll take the bait.

Vaccine research is not what it was in the days when they developed the Polio vaccine, or measles, or mumps.  There was no computer modeling, no mass scale production, no 30,000 trial groups.  Saying there is an "actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe" exists is a lie.  Te time it takes is the time it takes, and it is based on factors that have been affected by scientific advances that are coming at an avalanche rate. 

Do we have data on long term effects of the vaccine?  Of course not, there is no way to speed up time.  But what do you expect/project as long term effects? 

Immediate effects are the main concern, and we have addressed all of those quite easily.  Certain vaccines (dozens) were failed due to either lack of efficacy or side effects.  Some of the approved vaccines were delayed/modified to mitigate infinitesimal levels of side effects, for instance AZ causing blood clots at a rate a fraction of what birth control pills do. 

Long term side effects of NOT taking the vaccine are widely known, to over 500k Americans and their families, over 26k in Canada.  That is NOT a debate.  COVID kills people.  Vaccines prevent COVID.

All the theories about magnets, 5G, tracking chips and the like are total crap, and I feel real sorry for anyone who had been convinced that those claims have any validity, because most likely, they will be fleeced of some or all of their money by groups using these lies to fundraise to fight "Big Pharma" or "Deep state" or the other imaginary bad guys out there trying to take away your "freedom"

Vaccines are not mandatory, but they are required for many activities, and rightfully so.  But should they be mandatory?  Lets think...

MMR is mandatory if you want to go to public school.  Why?  Because kids die when they aren't vaccinated.  I got MMR when I was a kid, there were no questions, there were no debates.  Until Gwyneth popularized the vaccine/autism myth that has since been thoroughly debunked, with the lead perpetrator of the lie having been caught falsifying data, this has put an undeserved hesitancy into trusting vaccines.

If you had an infection, you would have no qualms about accepting a prescription for antibiotics without worrying about "long term effects". 

If you had cancer, you would have no issue with them pumping actual poison into you to fight it, knowing that the long term effects of that are horrible.  No one would accept chemo if there was an alternative, if they could "just ride it out". 

COVID vaccines are safe, effective and save lives.  Compared to antibiotics (which are poisons that kill stuff in your body) or Chemo, the potential "long term effects" are statistically irrelevant. 

Vaccines are basically a training video for your immune system.  They are a crash course in teaching your body how to defend itself against COVID.  The vaccine does not fight COVID the way antibiotics or chemo fight disease.  Vaccines mount an immune response in your body, teaching it how to use the weapons it has to fight against an enemy it has never seen, before it attacks.

If there were actual concerns about "potential long term effects", we'd see the anti-vax crowd touting them, showing us scientific evidence, or at least theories, on why vaccines are a long term danger.  But, like every other vaccine before these, there are no long term effects. 

And the long term effect of NOT getting vaccinated?  Infection and potential death, even for young people without underlying conditions.  Its not just immune compromised seniors that are dying, look at the stats.  Healthy young people and kids are dying from it.

When everyone gets vaccinated, like with MMR and Polio, the disease gets wiped out.  But as long as there are pockets of un-vaccinated people out there, the disease survives, and can mutate, and make even the vaccinated vulnerable again. 

And THAT, my friend, scares the bejeebers out of me, and it should scare you as well.

I take the vaccine for my family, my staff, my customers, for employees of stores I shop in, for people providing personal services, for my fellow Bomber Fans in the stands, and for You. 

You're welcome.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 30, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
70 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 29 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 5.6%. We also had two deaths, a male in his 30's and a female in her 60's.

Received my immunization card in the mail, and the fishing was amazing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 30, 2021, 06:10:29 PM
Great post aards.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2021, 06:55:53 PM
70 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 29 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 5.6%. We also had two deaths, a male in his 30's and a female in her 60's.

Received my immunization card in the mail, and the fishing was amazing.

Male in his 30's a COVID death.  Wow.  How does this not scare people to run to the nearest vaccine walkin?

These cards are so cool... why can't they make our Health card like these?

Great post aards.

Thanks,  just wish more people could get this message, or that the Gov't was able to express this message this way... they are far too intent on cowtowing to the vaccine hesitant with the wrong placating messages.  People need to learn What vaccines do, How they do it, and Why they are safe. 



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 30, 2021, 07:43:24 PM
Great post aards.

Yup 100% agree, get your jab, like YESTERDAY

No reason to wait or hesitate unless have a strong medical based reason why, end of.
Vaccines aren't mandatory. They're mandatory to get into IG Field (Should be an easy legal challenge.) but they are in no way mandatory. If they were, we'd already be at 100% first and second shots then.

Vaccines have been in people's arms for how long? About 1/4th the actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe. So yeah, they're well within their rights to want to wait and see what, if any, kind of fall out could come. We're still in the early stages of proper testing. Just because someone hasn't gotten their shot because they don't feel safe doing so, doesn't make them an anti-vax and people need to grow up and quit trying to act like bullies.

Disagree with all but yes don't bully.  Jabs for Covid way outway the risks.  The risk an unvaccinated person presents to society is greater than the long term unknown risks of the vaccine.  Vaccines will save your life, pretty simple.  I even took the risk of AZ and I don't regret it!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 30, 2021, 08:54:16 PM
I agree on the Immunization Cards. The the paper health has been long over due for a change.

It the same for our a MB fishing license, there still a piece of paper. Ontario a nice plastic card.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 01, 2021, 05:16:11 PM
Aards i don?t  have time to go though all that.  As I said before I have both doses of Moderna and think mRNA vaccines are a game changer. I have also said that when I was in the US they were working on mRNA vaccines 25-30 years ago. People that do not have vaccines fall into several groups: medically cannot have vaccine, some religious based objection, opposed to most or all vaccines (-aka anti vaxxers) and those who are hesitant usually based on safety reasons.  I don?t think you can lump them together. 

If players are required or not required to vaccinate, they can chose not to play.   It will be interesting to see what happens.

DCM I understand what you are saying about the mRNA vaccines (even though I disagree and realize there are no large scale long term studies).   But that does not explain the hesitancy to old school viral vector vaccines where they have old school inactive ingredients and virus in small dose to build immunity like so many other vaccines.  I dot understand the logical or science based hesitancy to these vaccines.  Any insight?

I don?t see banning people without a vaccine as an issue in that WBB have a duty to provide a safe work environment and safe place for customers/ fans.  It is a 100 year pandemic.  I think this and mask wearing especially given the rise of delta variant ( and perhaps others)  should hold in court. I guess we will see.

On a personal note I would want to see people wearing masks, vaccinated or not, until the positivity and hospitalizations are negligible.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 01, 2021, 10:42:03 PM
Aards i don?t  have time to go though all that.  As I said before I have both doses of Moderna and think mRNA vaccines are a game changer. I have also said that when I was in the US they were working on mRNA vaccines 25-30 years ago. People that do not have vaccines fall into several groups: medically cannot have vaccine, some religious based objection, opposed to most or all vaccines (-aka anti vaxxers) and those who are hesitant usually based on safety reasons.  I don?t think you can lump them together. 

If players are required or not required to vaccinate, they can chose not to play.   It will be interesting to see what happens.

DCM I understand what you are saying about the mRNA vaccines (even though I disagree and realize there are no large scale long term studies).   But that does not explain the hesitancy to old school viral vector vaccines where they have old school inactive ingredients and virus in small dose to build immunity like so many other vaccines.  I dot understand the logical or science based hesitancy to these vaccines.  Any insight?

I don?t see banning people without a vaccine as an issue in that WBB have a duty to provide a safe work environment and safe place for customers/ fans.  It is a 100 year pandemic.  I think this and mask wearing especially given the rise of delta variant ( and perhaps others)  should hold in court. I guess we will see.

On a personal note I would want to see people wearing masks, vaccinated or not, until the positivity and hospitalizations are negligible.

I would never lump all non-vaccinated people into one group...

Those medically unable to take a COVID vaccine should not be putting themselves in any risky situation, especially something like a football game, where they WILL be exposed, even if every other person is vaccinated.  Vaccines do not prevent infection, they provide your body the ability to fight off symptoms/results of infection, potentialy without you ever knowing you were infected.  But while you are infected, you can spread to others, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.  But other vaccinated people might never know they were infected by you either.

Religious objection?  Sorry, I have yet to see a valid one of those, based on a teaching or a scripture.  Sure, certain spiritual leaders have created anti vaccine rhetoric, but it is based on their own personal decree, not one of a faith or church.  No church or faith ever stopped anyone from a polio vaccine or an MMR vaccine.  This antimask, antivaccine stance is, in my opinion, a purely financial one, driving collections through the roof and whipping the faithful into a frenzy.  And they call the vaccinated "sheep".

AntiVaxxers, well, we know they are recent on the scene, and all their objections have been fully debunked, but that doesn't mean they have to like it, or believe truth.

As to those hesitant based on safety, 3 billion doses administers says its safe.  If you are worried about this from a safety standpoint, better stop eating lettuce, driving cars, taking baths... all are far more dangerous, but are done every day.  Vaccines are 2 shots for life.  Literally. 

There is no valid excuse for not taking a vaccine today.  They are safe, effective and through them, we are returning to normalcy.  I know we are never going to get to 100% compliance, but I hope we get over 85%. 

The last group mentioned, once FDA removes the "Emergency Authorization" and stamps the vaccines as "Approved", I hope that crowd comes on stream. 

Medical issues, I hope they find a vaccine that works for those. 

Religious objectors hopefully will get a divine guidance sooner than later, each COVID funeral they attend (or can't attend) should knock a bring out of that wall. 

Antivaxxers, Darwin will work on that group. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 02, 2021, 04:44:46 PM
Okay so we had 91 new cases yesterday, and 54 cases today. Over the two days we had 7 deaths. Today Winnipeg had 23 new cases and our TPR is 4.8%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on July 03, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
Sorry but this oandememic is nothing to scoff at.
Everybody everywhere should be vaccinated. Period.
I respect freedom of choice, but when you endanger others it's unconstitutional .

Especially when this involves just personal preferences..
People with medical,complications would have to be set up in a special section if at all let in.

This is a weird time.  Now with a new variation, could we be looking at this all over again?
I think it is horrible to segregate people, for any reason. However, if it means keeping the majority safe, what else can be done.

Manitoba handled the needles poorly.  But recovered speedily, sort of.  However, loosing folks to co-vis should never happen.  Drs. Develop a way!

It's awesome our provincial health care workers were/are so organized and efficient, as well as the people working the distribution centers.  RBC staff made me feel special, so well organized.  I moved from station to station, and hardly stood still for three seconds..  Kudos to them.  Also everyone I was near was cheerful, concerned a but, but seemingly happy to get the shot..

Hence I can't see hesitancy by the population to get this done..

We should all find some dollars and support our local restaurants..

Go Blue


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
Okay so we had 91 new cases yesterday, and 54 cases today. Over the two days we had 7 deaths. Today Winnipeg had 23 new cases and our TPR is 4.8%.

Staying under 100 cases/day, and under 5% TPR, awesome numbers.  Worrisome, though is 7 deaths... I get that these are a lot of older infections / long haulers, but still.  Have to wonder how many of these are variants, and if even thoguh we see case drop, we start seeing deaths climb. due to the variants being more lethal.  If this doesn't start scaring people into getting a vaccine, what will?

On that again, I went to the Emerg not long ago for a puncture would suffered while doing construction, and they checked my records, and found i hadn't had a tetanus update in years, so they gave me that shot.  No discussion of who manufactured it, what its efficacy was, what the side effects may be, just "Here's the shot, you need it".   And I don't think there would be 1% of the population that would refuse that shot.

If someone gets bitten by a raccoon, or a stray dog, or a squirrel, they get a rabies shot.  Yes, there are side effects (Soreness, redness, swelling, or itching at the site of the injection, and headache, nausea, abdominal pain, muscle aches, or dizziness can happen after rabies vaccine. Hives, pain in the joints, or fever sometimes happen after booster doses) but there is no question, no debate, you get the shot.  Why?  Because IF you get rabies, you can die, or suffer long term effects.  And I don't think there would be 1% of the population that would question / refuse that shot.

Why do we have a reluctance for COVID vaccine?  What is fueling the hesitancy?  It is misinformation targeting vulnerable groups (not medically vulnerable, but psychologically vulnerable), many of whom will fundraise off the situation, raising money that they will keep, or use to further the lies, and raise more money...  life has always been a "follow the money" situation to seek out the real truth, people who spread truth aren't looking for your donations in the aggressive ways people who spread lies do.  So, if the "news" article you are using for your information includes a place to send your money to to help "Spread the Truth", I'd suspect the source...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 03, 2021, 05:13:34 PM
Freedom of choice comes with accepting the results of your choices. For example: If you choose not to get vaccinated, then you have to accept that you aren't going to be allowed to travel or go to large events.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2021, 05:15:14 PM
Bartley Kives@bkives

Manitoba announced 48 new cases of #COVID19 and one more death on Saturday, July 3, 2021.
 
Active cases: 1,008
Total caseload: 56,353
Recovered: 54,197
Deaths: 1,148

Manitoba #COVID19 patients: 158 (down 5)
 
In Manitoba hospitals: 152 (down 5)
 
Total COVID MB patients in ICU: 47 (down 2)
 
In Manitoba ICU: 41 (down 2)
 
Out of province ICU: 6 (unchanged)

Bottom line: If immunizations turn even the worst variants of concern - delta and now lambda - into less lethal illnesses, things bode well for Canada.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 03, 2021, 06:17:17 PM
48 cases today in Manitoba, with 31 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is up slightly to 5.4 %. We also had one more death.

Not a lot of testing in Winnipeg since July 1. My wife was at one test locations yesterday and they had a grand total of 11 people come by for testing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 04, 2021, 05:27:30 PM
The Province has not released there numbers for today, but Dashboard is reporting 64 new cases in Manitoba, with 2 deaths, and a TPR of 6%. 29 of these cases are in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 05, 2021, 01:18:36 PM
Continuing low numbers, and high vaccine numbers.  All of my staff have one shot, only 2 haven't had their second yet (oddly, the two who had early eligibility... almost wonder if telling people they can't have the vaccine would make them desire it more...).

Team Manitoba is friing on all cylinders in the vaccine uptake, save for those few pockets of resistance. 

There are starting to be calls for places that have reached "herd immunity" to ignore their remaining unvacinated and start donating their remaining vaccine to the rest of the world, where some areas have less than 2% vaccinated.  I agree with the sentiment, but disagree with the capability for change through this initiative. 

Areas of the world where "herd immunity" has been reached cannot stop and say "mission accomplished".  That is far from true, as we see in our local numbers still posting cases and deaths.  We need as close to 100% coverage as we can.  We have seen what measles can do, and other deadly diseases that we have all but eradicated until they re-appear.   Diverting the few hundred thousand doses we still need to administer to the third world is like putting a cork in an dam break.  The vaccine production effort has to continue to expand, and while we should be sharing, we have to take care of our own first.  Like the safety video on the plane says, put your mask on first, and then assist others who may need assistance. 

As vaccine uptake slows though compliance, but availability continues to surge, yes, we can get needed vaccines to the world's health care workers and vulnerable populations.  Hopefully Biden's DPA push to have the one and done J&J shot manufactured not just by J&J, but also by rival pharma firm erck, will help in this.   I don't think Merck is onstream yet with production, but hopefully they can get rolling and make a difference globally...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 05, 2021, 02:28:29 PM
Looks like BC just lifted its indoor mask mandate, without proof of vaccination.  Why?  Who were masks hurting?  This is just asking for trouble, especially with the variants and anti-vaxxers unleashed now, exposing other and themselves to risk.  What does not make sense to me is they lifted the mask mandate, but have left occupancy level restrictions in place.  If its safe to be without a mask, its safe to go back to 100%.  If they are trying to help out businesses, I think those businesses would have preffered leaving the mask mandate in place, but opening to 100%... makes more sense, and probably safer.

Sure hope we do not follow suit anytime soon...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 05, 2021, 04:52:42 PM
65 new cases in Manitoba today, with 35 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is up again at 6.1% and we had one death.

Considering the beating MB Government took early on about our vaccine roll out, we are sure looking good now.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bluengold204 on July 05, 2021, 09:13:25 PM
65 new cases in Manitoba today, with 35 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is up again at 6.1% and we had one death.

Considering the beating MB Government took early on about our vaccine roll out, we are sure looking good now.

I wouldn?t count your chickens before they hatch.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 02:22:21 AM
75% with there first dose, over 50% with there second.

80% first does, 75% second would be very nice before kick off on August 5.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 04:57:13 PM
36 new cases in Manitoba today, with 24 of them in Winnipeg. TPR dropped slightly to 5'7%. We also had 1 death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 06, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
75% with there first dose, over 50% with there second.

80% first does, 75% second would be very nice before kick off on August 5.

We beat the target by almost a month (75/50 for Aug 1 I believe was the goal). If the relatively slow uptake of first doses keeps up its pace by getting it to the community level, combined with a fast second dose rate, we might be able to get close to 80% with both doses by the beginning of August. Certainly by or before September long weekend. Wouldn't that be something..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 06, 2021, 07:18:43 PM
We beat the target by almost a month (75/50 for Aug 1 I believe was the goal). If the relatively slow uptake of first doses keeps up its pace by getting it to the community level, combined with a fast second dose rate, we might be able to get close to 80% with both doses by the beginning of August. Certainly by or before September long weekend. Wouldn't that be something..

Yes it would!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 06, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
36 cases... wow.  Still expect a blip post Canada Day weekend... I can see getting back into triple digits a week from now... but in the meantime, awesomesauce. 

Have to watch the hospitalizations and deaths, though.  These variants are scary.

Seeing many players posting from "quarantine", still not sure what the protocols are, for fully vaxxed, partly vaxxed, unvaxxed...

Anyone have the link?



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
I can't see us Manitoba getting more then 85% fully vaccinated before the end of the year. Still far to many non-believes. It's going to take awhile to get some people on board. Then there's the attitude that if everyone else is vaccinated, why would I have to. I met one today that said she will sue any and everyone that discriminates against her because she refuses to get vaccinated. She mite be spending a lot of time and money in court.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 06, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
I can't see us Manitoba getting more then 85% fully vaccinated before the end of the year. Still far to many non-believes. It's going to take awhile to get some people on board. Then there's the attitude that if everyone else is vaccinated, why would I have to. I met one today that said she will sue any and everyone that discriminates against her because she refuses to get vaccinated. She mite be spending a lot of time and money in court.

"Herd immunity" for the original COVID 19 (alpha) was supposed to be 70-75% vaccinated... with the variants, it could be much higher...

As to suing people for requiring vaccination for any activity, that would be like a kid suing a carnival for not letting him ride a ride because he isn't "this tall", or being refused service in a fancy restaurant because you are barefoot, or not renting you a car because you don't have a credit card.  Any business is allowed to place reasonable limitations on its potential customers.  You can boycott that business, but good luck suing them. 



On another note, we hit 100% first shots for our staff, and are 2 away from 100% 2 shots... so I gave all my staff a one shift extra pay bonus on this paycheck...  Thrive Pet Food Market is proud to be part of Team Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 10:01:20 PM
"Herd immunity" for the original COVID 19 (alpha) was supposed to be 70-75% vaccinated... with the variants, it could be much higher...

As to suing people for requiring vaccination for any activity, that would be like a kid suing a carnival for not letting him ride a ride because he isn't "this tall", or being refused service in a fancy restaurant because you are barefoot, or not renting you a car because you don't have a credit card.  Any business is allowed to place reasonable limitations on its potential customers.  You can boycott that business, but good luck suing them. 



On another note, we hit 100% first shots for our staff, and are 2 away from 100% 2 shots... so I gave all my staff a one shift extra pay bonus on this paycheck...  Thrive Pet Food Market is proud to be part of Team Manitoba.


Nice. Like it. Employee's are important.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 06, 2021, 11:07:42 PM

Nice. Like it. Employee's are important.

Agree well done. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 07, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
I can't see us Manitoba getting more then 85% fully vaccinated before the end of the year. Still far to many non-believes. It's going to take awhile to get some people on board. Then there's the attitude that if everyone else is vaccinated, why would I have to. I met one today that said she will sue any and everyone that discriminates against her because she refuses to get vaccinated. She mite be spending a lot of time and money in court.

She sounds like a real covidiot and has no actual clue what discrimination is. It'll be fun watching her and others like her waste their time and money on futile legal battles simply because they choose to be misinformed and selfish.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 07, 2021, 02:52:44 PM
Took my two great nieces, and my 71 year old Aunt Elma to the RBC today.

The twin 2nd. shot, Elma's 1st. Elma is a non-believer, but Elma got left out of a small family gathering and saw the light.

9 am app. In the car and out of the parking lot by 9:15. Very smooth well oiled machine.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 07, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
On another note, we hit 100% first shots for our staff, and are 2 away from 100% 2 shots... so I gave all my staff a one shift extra pay bonus on this paycheck...  Thrive Pet Food Market is proud to be part of Team Manitoba.

Great job aardvark


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 07, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
71 new cases in Manitoba today, with 32 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 5.5%, and we had two deaths. Both male, one in his 30's the other in his 50's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 08, 2021, 05:38:22 PM
86 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, 39 of those cases are in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 5.2%, and we had 2 more deaths.

Cases are going up the last few days.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 13, 2021, 05:50:52 PM
25 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 13 of those cases are in Winnipeg. The TPR is 4% in Winnipeg, and we had 1 death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 14, 2021, 06:55:38 PM
53 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 31 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 3.8%, and we had no deaths.

With all the hard work we put in the Bombers will be able to have 100% fans in the stands if your fully vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 14, 2021, 09:35:42 PM
The deregulations are going to cause a spike, for sure.  I can see numbers soaring back into the hundreds per day.  Possibly just in time to put a kibosh on Aug 5th...

I really, really hope I am wrong, but we still don't have enough vaccine coverage to warrant this level of opening. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 15, 2021, 01:00:46 AM
I was able to change my appointment for TOMORROW!!

So I should be good to go as I will just show the QR code (chances are I still won't have the actual card as there are delays there).

Good for you.  Glad to have you there.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sec223 on July 15, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
When my second appointment was booked it was too late for an event I wanted to attend. I called every day and moved up a few days each time. Ended up 3 weeks earlier than my original appointment. It can be done and more options if you can go outside the city. I went to Selkirk. Come on people let's sell out the joint !!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 15, 2021, 02:14:50 PM
When the US loosened there restrictions, people stopped getting vaccinated. Now covid cases in the US are going up again. I hope that's not going to happen here in Canada. Keep getting those shots.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on July 15, 2021, 03:03:03 PM
I'm going......early.
You'll have to present 3 items to get in, your ticket, vax card, and photo ID so it should take longer than past years.

Can you present the app instead of the physical card?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Marni on July 15, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Can you present the app instead of the physical card?

Either one is acceptable


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on July 15, 2021, 03:33:09 PM
Either one is acceptable

Awesome!!!!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 15, 2021, 05:10:58 PM
42 new cases in Manitoba today, with 18 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 3.1% and we had 1 death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 15, 2021, 05:45:01 PM
There are over 100 million in the US unvaccinated.  No where near even the most optimistic levels needed for herd immunity (or herd mentality in many of the right's vernacular.

The US has scads of vaccine, who'd development and production is lauded by the right as a great acheivement, yet for some reason, those same pundits that remind us we wouldn't have these vaccines (which most of them have taken) were it not for their efforts, yet they applaud the fact that "Biden missed his target" for vaccinations, and cheer on those that are expressing thier freedom by not getting vaccinated. 

It is totally bewildering that they recognize that vaccines are necessary to beating this virus, but refuse to take them.  That they believe they are in the majority, yet somehow don't understand that herd immunity does not protect unvaccinated majorities, it only protects small amounts, spread out evenly through the population.   These red states that have 30% or less vaccination rate, and are fully open AND have Delta as the number one variant are going to fare worse than New York or California ever did.

Thankful Manitoba did not touch masks yet,  and have left many guards in place, as well as incentivized vaccinations with freedoms.  I really hope the get the card situation remedied fast, I had a customer in the other day that has no smartphone, he needs a physical card.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 15, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
Either one is acceptable
Hi Marnie!

I understand you get the online proof immediately with card to follow.. correct?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 15, 2021, 05:52:08 PM
Hi Marnie!

I understand you get the online proof immediately with card to follow.. correct?

Yes. I hit my 2 week mark this past Sunday and on Monday applied for the card. Got the digital version instantly and the physical card will come sometime in the future (apparently there's a bit of a backlog currently).


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 15, 2021, 06:05:06 PM
Physical cards are short of card stock inventory, haven't heard of a production date.  But APPs work just fine.

With over 500k Manitobans currently double vaccinated, there should be no issue finding 33k wanting to get into the IGF with fellow vaccinated people. 

Word of caution, full vaccinated people can get / carry / spread COVID.  Most have little to no symptoms or issues.  But they can transmit it to you even if you are fully covered, and you can take it home to unvaccinated people at home / work.  So just because you got your two jabs doesn't mean you are free to lick handrails and drink backwash without concern.

We can celebrate this day with vigor AND caution.  The last thing we need is for Game one to become a superspreader event and close down the stadiums for future events.

The numbers are heading in a awesome direction, and barring catastrophe we should head into fall in great shape.

My new concern is for the players.  We've heard occasional mentions of quarantine, and one player with a protocol situation (not sure if that was due to a positive test, a refused test, or just quarantine), but we have not been told who is double vaxxed, who are still getting vaxxed, who are refusing vax... I am hoping the majority of the players are double vaxxed, as well as the entire staff and coaches.   If they are, maybe a team picture of them all holding up 2 fingers would be a dynamite promo...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: wpg#1 on July 15, 2021, 07:54:02 PM
I was able to change my appointment for TOMORROW!!

So I should be good to go as I will just show the QR code (chances are I still won't have the actual card as there are delays there).

Fantastic News, see you on the 5th !!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Marni on July 15, 2021, 08:52:30 PM
Hi Marnie!

I understand you get the online proof immediately with card to follow.. correct?

The minute your 14 days is up, you get your QR code

https://govmbcitizen.b2clogin.com/govmbcitizen.onmicrosoft.com/b2c_1_signupsignin/oauth2/v2.0/authorize?client_id=32e266ae-3fc8-479c-8eb7-0c0e4b617071&scope=https%3A%2F%2Fgovmbcitizen.onmicrosoft.com%2Fapi%2FAPI.Access%20openid%20profile%20offline_access&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fimmunizationcard.manitoba.ca%2F&client-request-id=06c11379-fa8c-49e0-8d6e-323c0d1c0769&response_mode=fragment&response_type=code&x-client-SKU=msal.js.browser&x-client-VER=2.13.1&x-client-OS=&x-client-CPU=&client_info=1&code_challenge=p3BmsBuqubuDPSwK-6jPxpCZwYczqs-xPk7LOGlQUEM&code_challenge_method=S256&login_hint=mmcramer%40mts.net&nonce=932c7bd6-6d32-4e07-ab57-eea35f3df374&state=eyJpZCI6ImY2MTZjYTgzLTBjNTctNDQ0OS1hMzhlLWQzMWFmZjdjYmU0MiIsIm1ldGEiOnsiaW50ZXJhY3Rpb25UeXBlIjoicmVkaXJlY3QifX0%3D&ui_locales=en


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: NewBlue on July 15, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
If half the population is vaxed, you should expect about half the amount of people that will attend - if that.

Not sure why people assume we'll be selling out games, maybe the opener as its gonna be the 1st game in forever, but after that I think only Banjo and any playoff game will be sold out.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: NewBlue on July 15, 2021, 10:45:40 PM
Masks are only mandatory when inside places like the store, bathrooms etc

I don't want to start any kind of arguement or anything (I'm fully vaxxed). But why have masks mandatory in the store/bathroom if you don't have to wear one with many people right next to you yelling?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Big Daddy on July 15, 2021, 11:21:27 PM
I don't want to start any kind of arguement or anything (I'm fully vaxxed). But why have masks mandatory in the store/bathroom if you don't have to wear one with many people right next to you yelling?

I'm assuming this is only because restrictions still require masks for indoor public events.  Going to Costco you still have to wear a mask.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Big Daddy on July 15, 2021, 11:24:01 PM
If half the population is vaxed, you should expect about half the amount of people that will attend - if that.

Not sure why people assume we'll be selling out games, maybe the opener as its gonna be the 1st game in forever, but after that I think only Banjo and any playoff game will be sold out.

I've really been uncertain about this.  I don't think it's as simple as only half the population so far will have access, so expect half the crowd.  I do think there will be people showing up since no one has been @le to be in a crowd or any sort of event for so long.  And I think this will carry forward beyond just the first game.

But will it be a sellout?  I sure hope so, but I don't think it will be.

Hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bwiser on July 15, 2021, 11:34:54 PM
Well..I will only know the day of August 5!

My second shot is July 22 which is exactly 2 weeks from August 5.

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Some people say that you got their QR code 14 days (counting the day of the second shot as Day 1) and others said counting the day of their second shot as Day 1 they had to wait 15 days.
There is pop in vaccination centers where you don't need an appointment right now. My local Sobeys has had one all week. If you go this week you will get into the Bomber game for sure.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bwiser on July 15, 2021, 11:37:41 PM
NOT ME. I?ll miss the Grey Cup stuff which is super disappointing!! 25 years STH and can not celebrate first GC while a STH. I am beyond disappointed.

I?ll be 4 days away from being able to apply for the card.

I won?t have my card by then. I?m upset!
Just go get your second shot this week. The Sobeys on Dakota had a drop in vaccination spot with no appointment. The Shoppers Drug Mart on Osbourne has a pop in clinic this Saturday. Get your shot now and you are in.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on July 15, 2021, 11:50:42 PM
Just go get your second shot this week. The Sobeys on Dakota had a drop in vaccination spot with no appointment. The Shoppers Drug Mart on Osbourne has a pop in clinic this Saturday. Get your shot now and you are in.

Depends how long ago he got the 1st shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 16, 2021, 01:35:49 AM
Just go get your second shot this week. The Sobeys on Dakota had a drop in vaccination spot with no appointment. The Shoppers Drug Mart on Osbourne has a pop in clinic this Saturday. Get your shot now and you are in.
Not an option for me as I have other medication infusions that need to be properly scheduled with in a day of vaccinated. It is not worth the risk to me!

Pity but not the end of the world. Goldie will be there for game 2.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 16, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
37 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 15 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg TPR is 2.7%.

We are currently averaging about 15,000 does per day. The last numbers we received is 77.2% 1st. dose, 60.4% with there 2nd. dose.

Would nice to see 80/75 by August 5.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 16, 2021, 06:09:18 PM
37 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 15 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg TPR is 2.7%.

We are currently averaging about 15,000 does per day. The last numbers we received is 77.2% 1st. dose, 60.4% with there 2nd. dose.

Would nice to see 80/75 by August 5.

If we did it by August long, that would put us exactly a month ahead of schedule in the reopening plan. Going from 77% to 80%+ is going to be tough and highly incremental, though, unfortunately. I read in the paper today they're going to campgrounds with the vax to make it as convenient as possible at the community level, even if you're out camping and on vacation. Great outreach efforts.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 16, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Time will only tell. With 20 days and only 2.8% left to go, I can see Manitoba getting it done.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 16, 2021, 07:16:20 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 16, 2021, 07:42:19 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.
You need certain vaccinations to fly to specific countries. You need certain vaccinations to go to school. This is just another vaccination that you need. They should call it a vaccination card instead of a passport to make it clearer to the ill informed.

That being said, it's your right not to go places that tell you you have to be vaccinated. I guess you won't be travelling or going to major events for a long while.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on July 16, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.

Sorry to hear that. I understand where you're coming from, I'm not entirely comfortable with it either, but I am going to participate nevertheless. I am doubled too, and I would have been Ok with it wide open. That's just me though and I also realize it may not the best way for Manitoba. This is the route Manitoba has chosen to go, putting protection of the health care system first and foremost and trying to get the economy returned at the same time. I understand and accept that as well. It's one of those things where no matter what you do, there are negative consequences to consider. The problem is there is too many people who are eligible to get vaxxed who have chosen not to.

I do think there's a good chance you will be able to come back as this will not last long if cases stay low. Confidence will rise quickly.

By the way, what do you think should have been done?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on July 16, 2021, 09:07:55 PM
There is pop in vaccination centers where you don't need an appointment right now. My local Sobeys has had one all week. If you go this week you will get into the Bomber game for sure.

All good! Changed the date to yesterday!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 17, 2021, 03:35:48 AM
Our whole family is vaccinated and have our cards. With that said my daughter is still contemplating whether or not her sons will attend the game. I know if they go she will want them to wear there masks at all times.

I am a big supporter of the vaccination card and the benefits you receive for being responsible and getting fully vaccinated. Most people will come around if they want to attend big events, or go to movies, or even travel before the end of the year.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 17, 2021, 12:33:08 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.

Seems like a misplaced boycott. The government sets the rules. The Bombers, just like movie theaters, museums and all the rest are following as best they can while trying to survive.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: wpg#1 on July 17, 2021, 06:47:41 PM
Seems like a misplaced boycott. The government sets the rules. The Bombers, just like movie theaters, museums and all the rest are following as best they can while trying to survive.
I agree. The organizations are only following the rules. They?re forced to do the things they?re doing.
Punishing the Bombers for following rules seems strange to me!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:18:02 PM
You need certain vaccinations to fly to specific countries. You need certain vaccinations to go to school. This is just another vaccination that you need. They should call it a vaccination card instead of a passport to make it clearer to the ill informed.

That being said, it's your right not to go places that tell you you have to be vaccinated. I guess you won't be travelling or going to major events for a long while.

The difference in this case is between those who are citizens of a country and those who are not. To gain entry to a county as a non-citizen you can be asked to do many things including have vaccinations. However, this is only if you are NOT A CITIZEN OF THAT COUNTRY.
The entire idea of citizenship is that if confers rights. All citizens have equal rights.

Its disappointing that people dont' understand this and think that going to a restaurant, museum or stadium is somehow the same as attempting to enter a country in which you are not a citizen. They are completely different things


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:20:05 PM
Sorry to hear that. I understand where you're coming from, I'm not entirely comfortable with it either, but I am going to participate nevertheless. I am doubled too, and I would have been Ok with it wide open. That's just me though and I also realize it may not the best way for Manitoba. This is the route Manitoba has chosen to go, putting protection of the health care system first and foremost and trying to get the economy returned at the same time. I understand and accept that as well. It's one of those things where no matter what you do, there are negative consequences to consider. The problem is there is too many people who are eligible to get vaxxed who have chosen not to.

I do think there's a good chance you will be able to come back as this will not last long if cases stay low. Confidence will rise quickly.

By the way, what do you think should have been done?

WE should have done what every other province except Quebec did. Reject vaccine passports as unconstitutional, divisive and pointless (If I'm vaccinated I have nothing to fear from someone who is not)

As for the "protect the health care system". I don't see how this possibly applies since multiple other durisdictions have had full events for both vaccinated and non-vaccinated and they have not led to increases in cases when the population is vaccinated. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:22:24 PM
Seems like a misplaced boycott. The government sets the rules. The Bombers, just like movie theaters, museums and all the rest are following as best they can while trying to survive.

I'm just following the rules is never a good defence of anything.

During segregation, busses, movie theatres etc. were 'just following the rules' when they didn't allow black people to attend. Were their actions right and moral? Do they not deserve any share of the blame?

(Notice I am in no way comparing these two examples of discrimination but just demonstrating that saying, "I'm just following the law" is not an excuse)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:23:30 PM
Our whole family is vaccinated and have our cards. With that said my daughter is still contemplating whether or not her sons will attend the game. I know if they go she will want them to wear there masks at all times.

I am a big supporter of the vaccination card and the benefits you receive for being responsible and getting fully vaccinated. Most people will come around if they want to attend big events, or go to movies, or even travel before the end of the year.

THis is like saying, "I'm a big supporter of excluding people who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons or choose to make a different decisions for their personal health than I do being treated as  second class citizens"
Please don't be a big supporter of discrimination.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:26:38 PM
I agree. The organizations are only following the rules. They?re forced to do the things they?re doing.
Punishing the Bombers for following rules seems strange to me!


Yes we're so desparate to have our lives and livelihoods back that we're willing to turn a blind eye to a very scary system of institutionalized discrimination and mass surveilance that could easily be converted into something akin to the Communist Chinese social credit system.  I totally understand that. I also understand that at these moments if people who think that this is a dangerous precedent need to speak out or next thing you know it will be something YOU decided to do or not do that gets you excluded from going to see the Bombers. If you don't stand up for someone else's rights who do you expect will stand up for yours?

And if you think I'm being over dramatic google "China social credit" so see what your future holds when we go down the road of "show your papers sir"...Imagine not being about to rent a car because you played too many video games. THat's a real thing in China.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 18, 2021, 03:59:41 PM
Hey Newbie (BlueGold8597), vaccinated people have rights also, a right to be protected from the unvaccinated. Just because you are double vaccinated does not mean you are immune from contracting Covid. So if you do not wish to get vaccinated that is your right, but don't say the unvaccinated have rights because the the rights of the larger population take precedent over the the rights of the few. In this unpredictable time with Covid there are rules, if you don't agree then stay home and get off your soap box and stop preaching your nonsense for those of us who choose to follow the rules and attend the Bomber games.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 04:55:18 PM
Hey Newbie (BlueGold8597), vaccinated people have rights also, a right to be protected from the unvaccinated. Just because you are double vaccinated does not mean you are immune from contracting Covid. So if you do not wish to get vaccinated that is your right, but don't say the unvaccinated have rights because the the rights of the larger population take precedent over the the rights of the few. In this unpredictable time with Covid there are rules, if you don't agree then stay home and get off your soap box and stop preaching your nonsense for those of us who choose to follow the rules and attend the Bomber games.

Sadly the personal attack, vitriol etc. on display here is indicative of a society in which we are being encouraged to turn on each other.

You obviously didn't read that I am fully vaccinated.  I also suggested that I personally am opposed to following rules that infringe on human rights and will not do so. Unfortunately I don't' think there are others like me who like me...if this board is any indication.

Also if being double vaccinated doesn't make you immune then why do we have these rules in the first place?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 04:57:03 PM
While you argue about your individual liberties people are literally dying at home unable to have the surgery they need while recovery beds are full of "I don't trust needles" people. Think about that and pray it's not someone you know.

3.63 billion doses have been administered globally as of today.

This is not actually the situation. There are not people dying at home because people don't "trust needles". I'm not sure what you are even referring to.

Unfortunately our health system in Manitoba, unlike virtually anywhere else in the world was not able to deal very well with this crisis. I suggest if you are concerned about this you direct your political advocacy in this direction.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 18, 2021, 05:26:17 PM
This is not actually the situation. There are not people dying at home because people don't "trust needles". I'm not sure what you are even referring to.

Unfortunately our health system in Manitoba, unlike virtually anywhere else in the world was not able to deal very well with this crisis. I suggest if you are concerned about this you direct your political advocacy in this direction.

This thread has been Hijacked, all of these comments should be in the Covid selection.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on July 18, 2021, 05:31:31 PM
This tread has been Hijacked, all of these comments should be in the Covid selection.

Agreed. At this rate it?ll be locked by the end of the day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 18, 2021, 05:36:25 PM
Agreed. At this rate it?ll be locked by the end of the day.

I reported it to the Mod. they clean this stuff up pretty quick.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 18, 2021, 05:53:21 PM
The rules are in place for everyone's safety. Vaccines are not mandatory, so you have the right to refuse to get vaccinated if you want, but that right comes with consequences like not being able to join large groups.

Vaccination's aren't just for travelling. You used to need to have all your vaccinations up to date just to go to school. They are likely not mandatory now.

The government has the right to say if unvaccinated people can put vaccinated people at risk, to require proof of vaccination and even to make vaccinations manditory based on their duty to protect their citizens. People have a duty to obey the law, even the ones they don't like.  

Equal rights in the Canadian charter: "Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability." The question becomes: "Is it discrimination against the un-vaccinated to exclude them"? Considering the governments duty to protect, I'd say no, but the courts will eventually rule on it.






Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 06:05:26 PM
Ok guys, Covid is not  the topic here, please redirect all Covid talk to it?s thread or I will lock this thread!

LOL, until everyone in Manitoba has equal right to attend a bomber game then this is ALL ABOUT COVID.  But yes please lock the thread and return your head to the sand. Just don't think about how people with medical conditions that don't allow them to get vaccines just lost their civil rights in this province. Please. I wouldn't want to spoil your little happy bubble.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
Agreed. At this rate it?ll be locked by the end of the day.

Yes lockdown anything difficult or challenging to think about.  Go blue!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on July 18, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Yes lockdown anything difficult or challenging to think about.  Go blue!

Now where did I leave that facepalm GIF....?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Marni on July 18, 2021, 06:38:28 PM
LOL, until everyone in Manitoba has equal right to attend a bomber game then this is ALL ABOUT COVID.  But yes please lock the thread and return your head to the sand. Just don't think about how people with medical conditions that don't allow them to get vaccines just lost their civil rights in this province. Please. I wouldn't want to spoil your little happy bubble.

Like I said, this thread is about the home opener, there is a COVID thread, discuss it there, and any more head in sand comments will find you not posting anywhere! This decision was a govt one, not a Bomber one


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 18, 2021, 08:52:32 PM
Like I said, this thread is about the home opener, there is a COVID thread, discuss it there, and any more head in sand comments will find you not posting anywhere! This decision was a govt one, not a Bomber one

Thank you Marni.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 19, 2021, 01:48:02 PM
LOL, until everyone in Manitoba has equal right to attend a bomber game then this is ALL ABOUT COVID.  But yes please lock the thread and return your head to the sand. Just don't think about how people with medical conditions that don't allow them to get vaccines just lost their civil rights in this province. Please. I wouldn't want to spoil your little happy bubble.

Cry some more. Seems like that's all you do based on your posts, anyway. You clearly have no idea how immunology or vaccines work.

You want to be a part of public social events like a CFL game? Get the vaccine if you can* and be a responsible member of society.

* and no, whining about "rights" is not a valid reason


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 19, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
99.5% of deaths occurring now from COVID are in unvaccinated people. 

What is weird is the anti-vaxxers are using this as a positive... "See, you can still die if you get a vaccine, so why get it?"

.5% of deaths coming from the 50% of the population that is vaccinated. 

Not a great odds maker, but that's a bet worth taking, no?

You have the right to not take a vaccine.  Does not trump the rights of others not to be exposed to an unvaccinated carrier, or to be denied an ICU bed for a non COVID issue because all the ICU beds are full of unvaccinated patients.

How people forget polio, measles, mumps, etc so quickly... or accept hair regrowth treatments with no scientific research behind them as "safe" and deny vaccines with 3 billion doses administered as "unproven", I will never understand.

Alabama (less than 30% vaccinated) tried putting a vaccine clinic in a courthouse today, hoping to convince people waiting to pay for traffic tickets to take a free vaccine.  They got 2 people... 

They should call it the "Trump vaccine", advertise that Trump has two doses, praise Trump for Warp Speed and gin up his base...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 19, 2021, 04:36:34 PM
37 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 21 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR went up slightly to 3.1%, and we had one death.

3% more women have been vaccinated then men.

Alberta will be a great place to see the effects of large crowds and no masks. After watch the finals of the Stampede last night. There wasn't a mask in sight and the barn looked pretty full.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 19, 2021, 08:00:34 PM
"See, you can still die if you get a vaccine, so why get it?"

"You can still die if you wear a seatbelt, so why wear one?"

Anti-vaxxer "logic" is whack, man. On the one hand, they underplay the severity of a novel virus, telling others to not be scared of COVID-19, but then fear getting a vaccine. It's utterly asinine.

It's sickening how many choose to be misinformed about science.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 19, 2021, 08:56:14 PM
Canada border opening up to the US on August 9th. Fully vaccinated of course.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on July 20, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
You mean like...liquor stores?

Or drivers license, passport, academic / professional credentials.

I'm waiting to see how they process people at the border as far as determining proof of double vaccinations. There are those on both sides of the border that don't want official documentation.

Put in the words of Spock from Star Trek: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.

I understand the dilemma facing many that oppose showing vaccination documentation of some sort. It's a tough social issue.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Ricky Bobby on July 20, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
You mean like...liquor stores?

That was put in due to the thefts and assault that were happening. Not the same thing.

This will be my only response to my previous post, I am not trying to stir the pot, I just gave my response and reason.

Thanks


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 20, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
That was put in due to the thefts and assault that were happening. Not the same thing.

This will be my only response to my previous post, I am not trying to stir the pot, I just gave my response and reason.

Thanks
No, it's to stop under age people from buying booze. Kinda like a vaccine card is to stop unvaccinated people from being in large groups with vaccinated folks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 21, 2021, 01:00:41 PM
99.5% of all deaths from COVID now involve unvaccinated patients.

99.5%.

But that stat does not get through to these people.

Instead, they want to play up the fact that 99% of people who contract COVID do not die.

Ginning up the fact that it is a survivable disease, and you most likely will not die from it while dismissing the vaccine reduces your chances of getting it / dying from it a hundredfold, well, using logic on this anti-covid-vaccine, anti-mask, anti-Fauci herd is a waste of time. 

Saw a neat Lincoln Project ad recently that showed FOX commentators blasting the vaccines while flashing text and arrows were pointing out that they had been vaccinated, and that FOX NEWS requires all its anchors to be vaccinated (not sure if that extends to all staff or not, but would not be surprised).

I hate the idea, but they could grant FDA full approval for use (not "just emergency use approval") re-named the vaccine "The Trump Protector", give him accolades for Warp Speed, point out he is double vaccinated, and you would get your 75% in a few weeks.  Get the GOP behind vaccination efforts, and watch the arms fill up.

And then after everyone has got the vaccine, we can go back to laughing at Trump... but for now, sad to say, the USA, maybe even the world, needs him on board with this.

And the only way to achieve that is to cater to his vanity.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 21, 2021, 06:38:40 PM
44 new cases in Manitoba today, with 16 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.9%, and we had one death a male in his 30's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jeremy q public on July 22, 2021, 03:46:56 PM
Not I, sorry but I take issue with any place in Canada asking to see "papers". This is my thought only and everyone else is entitled to theirs.
Please be respectful.

I just showed my drivers license at a business yesterday. You show papers every time you fly, stay in a hotel, apply for a credit card, etc. etc.

So I'm curious why this particular use of "papers" offends you so much?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 22, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
So, looks like one person won't be attending out front...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8051277/winnipeg-covid-anti-vaccine-protest-bomber-game/

A Winnipeg man has been arrested after police said he tried to get people to protest near the upcoming Blue Bomber home opener.

Winnipeg police said the man made social media posts encouraging people who are against masks and the COVID-19 vaccines to gather on the roads near Investors Group Field on Aug. 5 with the intent to block traffic.

While organizing a public protest is not illegal, the man was under a court order that ?prohibits the promotion and organization of gatherings contrary to any order made under the Public Health Act.?

Patrick Joseph Robert Allard, 39, faces charges for failing to comply with a condition of release.

In a post made to his public Facebook page, Allard said ?There?s only two roads into the Winnipeg Blue Bombers stadium. I think we can block both with a rather small amount of people on August 5th ahead of their game.?

He then responds to several people who ask about plans.

Allard was arrested on May 28 for helping to organize a rally fronted by notorious anti-mask rally organizer Chris ?Sky? Saccoccia, who hails from Ontario.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sammy225 on July 22, 2021, 03:58:42 PM
So, looks like one person won't be attending out front...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8051277/winnipeg-covid-anti-vaccine-protest-bomber-game/

A Winnipeg man has been arrested after police said he tried to get people to protest near the upcoming Blue Bomber home opener.

Winnipeg police said the man made social media posts encouraging people who are against masks and the COVID-19 vaccines to gather on the roads near Investors Group Field on Aug. 5 with the intent to block traffic.

While organizing a public protest is not illegal, the man was under a court order that ?prohibits the promotion and organization of gatherings contrary to any order made under the Public Health Act.?

Patrick Joseph Robert Allard, 39, faces charges for failing to comply with a condition of release.

In a post made to his public Facebook page, Allard said ?There?s only two roads into the Winnipeg Blue Bombers stadium. I think we can block both with a rather small amount of people on August 5th ahead of their game.?

He then responds to several people who ask about plans.

Allard was arrested on May 28 for helping to organize a rally fronted by notorious anti-mask rally organizer Chris ?Sky? Saccoccia, who hails from Ontario.


Is it smart to stand in front of 28000+ rowdy bomber fans???


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 22, 2021, 04:16:18 PM
It is against the Highway Traffic Act to block traffic, the police usually let the natives block Portage & Main when they demonstrate but that is for a short period only. For an event like the Bomber game, I would bet the WPS would be arresting those people blocking the road very quickly.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 22, 2021, 04:31:03 PM
44 new cases in Manitoba today, with 16 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.9%, and we had one death a male in his 30's.

Mitigation is still working, glad we haven't gone hog wild with reopening... but vaccination's are lagging again, we need to get people out to get their shots. 

With pFizer shipping more doses than anticipated, looks like we have a couple hundred thousand doses in stock now, with more on the way, but averaging less than 10K per day in actual shots. 

Lotteries, being able to go to events, dine in restaurants, etc... basically bribing people to get their vaccine, I'm not sure that is going to be effective at getting the "resistant" population into the clinics. 

Pounding the fact "99.5% of people dying of COVID right now are not vaccinated, 99% of people in hospital for COVID right now are unvaccinated" should be enough to convince a lot of people. 

I saw something the other day where un-vaccinated patients about to be intubated are begging nurses for the vaccine, and the nurses have to say "Its too late for that now".  Publishing more of these kinds of stories can't hurt...

Its time to scare these hesitant people witless about either getting the vaccine or getting COVID. 

Delta is here and killing people, the 30 year old man dead today in Manitoba had Delta.     


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on July 22, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
1.) I hate masks, I love working with people, I love Bomber games.
I dislike airport security.  I have two artificial hips, so I get scrutinized  very thoroughly.
The. Guy doing the search, pat down, or running the machine is just doing his job. 
I usually joke with them.

It's the cost of doing what I want to do.

What's the problem. Your vax card shows you are trying your best not to be a spreader, not a carrier and should be safe.  It's the cost of doing business.  Normal? Nope.  Or maybe the new normal.

Things change. Just do it and move on.
Get the Vaxx.  If not stay home.  It's a new world.  Get with it!
Dinosaurs could not adapt .  And look what happened to them.

I hope people with inabilities can find a way to enjoy the game.
Our first championship in what was it? 29 years.  I hope we be goofy for a few minutes pre-game. Then start the journey for another.

If you are immune compromised, I wish you the best. Take. Care of yourself and your family.
How about this for an idea.m can these pro organizations provide a section for people with these kind of situation So?  Sort of like wheelchair access spot So?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on July 22, 2021, 04:36:54 PM
Is it smart to stand in front of 28000+ rowdy bomber fans???

These guys aren't smart. LOL
Many fans will have been pregaming since noonish. Would be quite the donnybrook! What's worse for your health, getting vaxed or getting an empty 26 to the back of your head?

 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 22, 2021, 04:44:15 PM


How about this for an idea.m can these pro organizations provide a section for people with these kind of situation So?  Sort of like wheelchair access spot So?

Difference between immune compromise and ability accessable is so huge it really isn't a question.  An accidental exposure can kill an immune compromised person... not so much with a wheelchair access..   Nice thought, but no.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jeremy q public on July 22, 2021, 11:26:01 PM
1.) I hate masks, I love working with people, I love Bomber games.
I dislike airport security.  I have two artificial hips, so I get scrutinized  very thoroughly.
The. Guy doing the search, pat down, or running the machine is just doing his job. 
I usually joke with them.

It's the cost of doing what I want to do.

What's the problem. Your vax card shows you are trying your best not to be a spreader, not a carrier and should be safe.  It's the cost of doing business.  Normal? Nope.  Or maybe the new normal.

Things change. Just do it and move on.
Get the Vaxx.  If not stay home.  It's a new world.  Get with it!
Dinosaurs could not adapt .  And look what happened to them.

I hope people with inabilities can find a way to enjoy the game.
Our first championship in what was it? 29 years.  I hope we be goofy for a few minutes pre-game. Then start the journey for another.

If you are immune compromised, I wish you the best. Take. Care of yourself and your family.
How about this for an idea.m can these pro organizations provide a section for people with these kind of situation So?  Sort of like wheelchair access spot So?

Very well said and I agree completely. Except that a section for immunocompromised people doesn?t solve anything. In fact it would be worse. They rely on the herd immunity of others to prevent spread so putting them all in one section would be very high risk. It would be better to put one of them in each section of vaccinated people.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 23, 2021, 02:14:49 AM
56 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 22 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.8%, and we had another person in there 30's pass away.

I see Patrick Allard thinks he can block the access to the Bomber game on August 5th.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 23, 2021, 02:45:43 AM
Went to a funeral in Small town Sask. on Wednesday and apparently masks are no longer required indoors. Definitely was an eye opener. We kept our masks on, but got some dirty looks and a lot of people tell us masks are no longer require in Sask.

There was about 40 people at the funeral for a 49 year who died of Covid and there was only 6 people wearing masks. No masks just seemed a little strange.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 23, 2021, 04:20:57 AM
Some people don?t want to show papers.

I don?t want to miss another Bomber season. 

I don?t want to sit next to someone who is not vaccinated.

I do not want to get sick.

I do not want friends or family to get sick, transmit the disease or have it transmitted to them.

I do not want a super spreader event so the government stops allowing fans.

We are in a pandemic.  You have a choice: get vaccinated, wait for there to be herd immunity, or for the virus to dissipate.

This is a medical issue.  It is not politics.  It is not a constitutional issue because you have a choice and you are not being discriminated against because of an immutable charisteristic such as gender, ethnicity, etc.

While I am empathetic to those that cannot get a vaccine for medical reasons, immuno compromised, and hesitant for safety reasons for RNA vaccines, I am losing tolerance for others. Especially when someone comes on a Blue Bomber site and insults and states we are sheep. 

Push off. 

Nuff said.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 23, 2021, 05:31:51 AM
Went to a funeral in Small town Sask. on Wednesday and apparently masks are no longer required indoors. Definitely was an eye opener. We kept our masks on, but got some dirty looks and a lot of people tell us masks are no longer require in Sask.

There about 40 people at the funeral for a 49 year who died of Covid and there was only 6 people wearing masks. No masks just seemed a little strange.



Wacky


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 23, 2021, 03:15:56 PM
Some people don?t want to show papers.

I don?t want to miss another Bomber season. 

I don?t want to sit next to someone who is not vaccinated.

I do not want to get sick.

I do not want friends or family to get sick, transmit the disease or have it transmitted to them.

I do not want a super spreader event so the government stops allowing fans.

We are in a pandemic.  You have a choice: get vaccinated, wait for there to be herd immunity, or for the virus to dissipate.

This is a medical issue.  It is not politics.  It is not a constitutional issue because you have a choice and you are not being discriminated against because of an immutable charisteristic such as gender, ethnicity, etc.

While I am empathetic to those that cannot get a vaccine for medical reasons, immuno compromised, and hesitant for safety reasons for RNA vaccines, I am losing tolerance for others. Especially when someone comes on a Blue Bomber site and insults and states we are sheep. 

Push off. 

Nuff said.

The sound of a slow clap...Well said, bravo!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 23, 2021, 04:08:24 PM
The title threat simply says ?who will be there?. I?m sick of everyone coming this thread spouting there opinions of vaccinations. That is not what the threat is about as per what the mods instructed


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 23, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
41 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 13 of those cases in Winnipeg and 19 cases in the Interlake. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.1%. We also had 3 more deaths. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 26, 2021, 06:43:05 PM
Only 11 cases today in Manitoba. Winnipeg's TPR is now 1.8%. 79% with there first shot, 66% with both. Nice work Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 26, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
It's almost as if vaccination works.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on July 27, 2021, 12:16:03 AM
Cases sure spiked up in Alberta over the last few days...sask will probably follow...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 27, 2021, 12:33:24 AM
Cases sure spiked up in Alberta over the last few days...sask will probably follow...

Calgary Stampede???? 

US. is getting out of control again. CNN reporting at this rate the US will 60,000 a day in the fall.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 27, 2021, 12:42:49 PM
Calgary Stampede???? 

Somebody had to be the guinea pig and test out the vaccine vs. high density events.  Personally I thought having the Stampede this year was dumb, or at least move it a little further out from the 75% first dose (or whatever the  number was) by a month, but like I said someone had to be the first.  I guess if we did the math and said unvaccinated TPIs was somewhere in the range of 10 - 12%, and we?re currently at a vaccination rate of 63% fully and 80% full dose, that you?d expect to see a TPI of somewhere between 2% and 4%, which is where it?s at/trending to. 

Which would seem to indicate that vaccines work only if you get them. Who?d have thunk it?

Reality is we?re going to see numbers go up as large public gatherings increase if vaccination rates don?t continue to climb, including CFL games.  And they?re not.  First doses have plateaued out and second doses are nearly caught up, which is unfortunate because the time to end this is the summer, not going through another winter.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 28, 2021, 01:07:22 AM
Somebody had to be the guinea pig and test out the vaccine vs. high density events.  Personally I thought having the Stampede this year was dumb, or at least move it a little further out from the 75% first dose (or whatever the  number was) by a month, but like I said someone had to be the first.  I guess if we did the math and said unvaccinated TPIs was somewhere in the range of 10 - 12%, and we?re currently at a vaccination rate of 63% fully and 80% full dose, that you?d expect to see a TPI of somewhere between 2% and 4%, which is where it?s at/trending to. 

Which would seem to indicate that vaccines work only if you get them. Who?d have thunk it?

Reality is we?re going to see numbers go up as large public gatherings increase if vaccination rates don?t continue to climb, including CFL games.  And they?re not.  First doses have plateaued out and second doses are nearly caught up, which is unfortunate because the time to end this is the summer, not going through another winter.


To get into the Stampede did you have to be fully vaccinated for 14 days.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 28, 2021, 12:05:21 PM

To get into the Stampede did you have to be fully vaccinated for 14 days.

No.

Report this morning is that there were 71 direct confirmed cases resulting from the Stampede.  Not putting a lot of faith in that number, but would great if true.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 28, 2021, 05:59:14 PM
Manitoba had 26 new cases, and Winnipeg had 6 of those cases, and the Interlake had 15. Winnipeg's TPR is now 1.3%. There was also 3 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 28, 2021, 08:48:27 PM
In unsurprising news, it looks like we?re going full cowboy in Alberta by mid August according to Hinshaw.  This will be interesting.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on July 29, 2021, 01:06:52 PM
I sure hope Manitoba does not quickly follow Albertas plan that includes no isolation for people who test positive.  I can't see this ending well - I am not a DR though:


From dr deena hinshaw:
Starting Aug. 16, isolation won?t be universally req?d if you test + except in some high-risk settings. Testing will continue to be important but we will no longer recommend testing for mild symptoms. (10/14)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 29, 2021, 02:22:39 PM
I sure hope Manitoba does not quickly follow Albertas plan that includes no isolation for people who test positive.  I can't see this ending well - I am not a DR though:


From dr deena hinshaw:
Starting Aug. 16, isolation won?t be universally req?d if you test + except in some high-risk settings. Testing will continue to be important but we will no longer recommend testing for mild symptoms. (10/14)

Not what you want to hear with BC and Alberta's number growing.

47 new cases in Manitoba today, with 13 in Winnipeg and 21 in the Interlake. Winnipeg has a TPR of 1.1%. and we had 2 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 29, 2021, 06:54:09 PM
Alberta is declaring COVID over in the midst of a spike.  How stupid is Kenney?

No need to quarantine if positive?  No need to isolate if a close contact?  No testing except for serious symptoms?

And masks optional, even for positive cases.

This has Florida written all over it.

Wondering if the Stamps game here on Aug 29th is going to be played...  will MB even allow the Stamps to come here from where AB will be then...

47 new cases in MB today, 21 in Interlake - Eastern.... only 13 in WPG.   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: gobombersgo on July 30, 2021, 12:37:31 AM
Alberta is declaring COVID over in the midst of a spike.  How stupid is Kenney?

No need to quarantine if positive?  No need to isolate if a close contact?  No testing except for serious symptoms?

And masks optional, even for positive cases.

This has Florida written all over it.

Wondering if the Stamps game here on Aug 29th is going to be played...  will MB even allow the Stamps to come here from where AB will be then...

47 new cases in MB today, 21 in Interlake - Eastern.... only 13 in WPG.   

The CFL has a strict return to play policy for players and personnel. I think they will just keep the policies in place with the Delta variance driving numbers up in a few of the provinces.

Players will continue to have testing done and they will most probably continue to wear masks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 30, 2021, 04:24:22 AM
Sask. is also not making self-isolation mandatory after receiving a positive Covid 19 test. They are leaving it up to the public to make the right decision.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 30, 2021, 11:33:44 AM
They. dont want you to go to work when your sick but they say it's ok if you got symptoms yo show up to a game? After all the restrictions they are opening it right up. It's a gamble.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 30, 2021, 02:40:13 PM
SK has now overtaken MB for worst new case count per capita, and AB is going to quickly overtake and lap everyone at their rate.

Not isolating when positive.....yeesh.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 03, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
Over the weekend Manitoba had 101 new cases, with 49 in the Winnipeg, 24 in the Interlake, and 18 in the Southern region. Winnipeg's TPR is now 1.9% and and we had 3 deaths.

Very good news as we have reached our goal of 80% first shots, and we are 25,000 away from 75% second shots which we will reach probably by this weekend. Two thumbs up for the people of Manitoba. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 05, 2021, 02:22:16 AM
Calgary Stampede now responsible for 129 new cases and counting.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 07, 2021, 02:04:16 AM
Concerns over positives with Elks players, game will not be canceled

Alberta is declaring COVID over in the midst of a spike.  How stupid is Kenney?

No need to quarantine if positive?  No need to isolate if a close contact?  No testing except for serious symptoms?

And masks optional, even for positive cases.

This has Florida written all over it.

Wondering if the Stamps game here on Aug 29th is going to be played...  will MB even allow the Stamps to come here from where AB will be then...

47 new cases in MB today, 21 in Interlake - Eastern.... only 13 in WPG.  

About as stupid as they come.  Big trouble in AB.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-kenney-federal-hadju-covid-19-1.6133082


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 09, 2021, 11:22:12 PM
Active cases in Canada have shot up over 10,000 over the weekend - they were down to around 4000 just a few weeks ago. 
 
Over 1000 in BC and Alberta each over the weekend - hospitalizations not spiking - yet...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 10, 2021, 01:58:02 AM
Yep, it's going to be a rough fall, I can also see shut downs coming.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 10, 2021, 03:31:18 PM
With mask mandates lifted in Manitoba, I am pleased to see a majority of people still wearing them indoors.  Store staff are all wearing them (ours wear KN95's for their own protection, and can use a faceshield if an unmasked shopper worries them.)

I think we will weather lifting of mask mandates better than others, unfortunately, because then there will be no reason to return to the mask mandate and safer procedures come Sept 7...  which would allow a differentiation between vaxxed and unvaxxed for access again, and spur on vaccinations.

With no vaccine incentive now (other than Life), we have seen number drop, while in Quebec they have initiated vaccine passports and seen a huge spike in vaccine uptake.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 10, 2021, 06:10:54 PM
With mask mandates lifted in Manitoba, I am pleased to see a majority of people still wearing them indoors.  Store staff are all wearing them (ours wear KN95's for their own protection, and can use a faceshield if an unmasked shopper worries them.)

I think we will weather lifting of mask mandates better than others, unfortunately, because then there will be no reason to return to the mask mandate and safer procedures come Sept 7...  which would allow a differentiation between vaxxed and unvaxxed for access again, and spur on vaccinations.

With no vaccine incentive now (other than Life), we have seen number drop, while in Quebec they have initiated vaccine passports and seen a huge spike in vaccine uptake.

I wasn't a fan of the vaccine incentive, but it did bring a lot of people out to get vaccinated. However with that said if a person's life should be enough of a reason.

As of this Monday, my wife office will no longer be operating on people that are not double vac. Her office still requires you to wear a mask while in the building.

Canadian Tire Grant Park today, a few of the younger staff members not wearing masks. There was also two small groups of Hutterites in the building, all not wearing masks.

Princess Auto: All staff in masks, 4 people not wearing masks, all Hutterites.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 11, 2021, 08:46:20 PM
Minnesota with 1600 new cases today and 10 deaths. Close the border.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 11, 2021, 11:02:52 PM
Some debate about masks in another forum.

See facts below.  When you wear a mask, you protect others as well as yourself. Masks work best when everyone wears one

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 12, 2021, 04:49:26 PM
Okay so I am all for vaccinations and wearing masks in public. However in Manitoba some stores don't require you to wear a mask anymore.

So today I am at a large box store picking up some building supplies. An older gentlemen is in the store with no mask, and a lady shows up with two young children, probably 6-10 years old. She starts telling the guy that he has no respect for the kids under 12 and the people who are not able to get vaccinated do to health reason. The guy replied back if your worried about your children don't take them to places where masks are not mandatory, or put a mask on your children.

Now I will continue to wear a mask in public for the reasons she stated. However now it's his right not to wear a mask in some public places and he is also right that if she is worried about her children put a mask on them.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 12, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
The frustrating thing for everyone involved is there is no one set of rules or clear expectations anymore. That said, I would never "call anyone out" for not wearing a mask if they aren't required to do so. If you don't like the speed limit on your street you don't go yell at the passing cars who are doing the posted limit. I'm not really a big fan of the "we recommend but everyone do what they want" current provincial government stance, but it is the reality and you shouldn't try to impose your own "authority" as more correct than the actual law.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 13, 2021, 12:15:07 AM
The frustrating thing for everyone involved is there is no one set of rules or clear expectations anymore. That said, I would never "call anyone out" for not wearing a mask if they aren't required to do so. If you don't like the speed limit on your street you don't go yell at the passing cars who are doing the posted limit. I'm not really a big fan of the "we recommend but everyone do what they want" current provincial government stance, but it is the reality and you shouldn't try to impose your own "authority" as more correct than the actual law.

What about when the law is ********?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 13, 2021, 01:03:26 PM
Yeah I'm not down with anyone being a Karen about rules that aren't rules anymore. If you're going above an beyond to be a dinkus and flout it, sure, but if you're carrying on with life and obeying the ever-changing rules, it's not cool and actually pretty pathetic to go out of your way and lord over people.

I went to Co-Op for groceries yesterday evening and there was one person in the entire store without a mask. Totally fine. However, she had this weird scowl and tried to make eye contact with other customers like she was looking for a fight or something.

What have we all become?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2021, 02:44:07 PM
What about when the law is ********?

No idea. Call a politician? I don't know. I just know that things aren't going to work very well if people try to enforce or confront people for not following some sort of private Covid code they have in their head.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 13, 2021, 05:06:21 PM
Unless you are in a KN95 or better, a mask does little to protect you.  Cloth masks stop you from spraying COVID bearing droplets around you with your breath. 

Children should wear KN95's or better, and/or faceshields if they are being taken into areas when they may be exposed to Delta.  Kids are actually dying of COVID now.  Last year, there were no deaths, lots of kids getting inflammatory diseases cased by COVID exposure and other chronic conditions, but they weren't dying.  Now, they are getting really sick and dying in areas of high spread. 

Responsible parents should not be exposing children unnecessarily to risk.  It makes no sense to take them where there may be unmasked people who are obviously anti-vax as well, and quite potentially infected / infectious.

We have to start treating under 12's the same way we were supposed to treat over 65's early on in the pandemic, but didn't and failed our elders, killing far too many of them.  COVID classic was deadly to old people, but not children.  Delta is deadly to children.  Sending our kids into incubation pods like schools, with unvaccinated staff / teachers, with inadequate ventilation and unreliable mask wearing (c'mon, kids and masks are at best a joke) really seems like a recipe for disaster.  Even with rapid testing and cohorts, this is not going to be a good fall.

As to stores requiring masks vs. letting staff go maskless, this gov't has really dropped the ball on this.  We are not out of the woods, and this was an easy thing to keep in place.  It will be brought back Sept 7, I have no doubt.  I have had a few customers refuse our request to mask up, and even had someone I've never seen before poke their head in and ask if we require masks, and when we said that we would prefer them to be masked, they left.  Only one was very upset that we requested mask use (there were other concerned customers in the store at that moment) and offered her a free mask, she completed her transaction and raced out of the store.  I get that some people may have issues that make mask wearing uncomfortable.  But for 5 minutes, really? 

We are "Friendly Manitoba", and we have a strong community spirit, we generally are doing the right thing, and mask use is remaining the majority choice.  Personally, if I see a store not even requiring staff to use masks, I'm not going to shop there.  It just doesn't make sense to me, even though I wear a KN95 and am double vaxxed.  Its not that I am at risk that makes me make that choice, it is that I want my money to go to companies that are good community partners....
 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 13, 2021, 06:30:09 PM
No idea. Call a politician? I don't know. I just know that things aren't going to work very well if people try to enforce or confront people for not following some sort of private Covid code they have in their head.

I agree.  You need to protect yourself.  If someone is standing in your face coughing it is just like pre Covid.  No rules just lack pf common decency.

Alberta is rolling back easing up.  See what happens with delta.  I was hoping people would mask and be able to go to a whole season of football.  Not sure that will happen.  We will see


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 13, 2021, 07:47:18 PM
And then there is the other extreme, I saw a guy today at the golf course driving a convertible with his mask on. To funny.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 14, 2021, 03:12:56 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens when the first NFL game is cancelled due to an outbreak.  Wonder if the players who cause it will be cut, or how they will be treated by their teamates that could lose hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.  I can't see any QB not demanding his whole team get jabbed.  You'd have to be some kind of stupid to risk paydays over vaccine.

Might even be worse in the CFL... sure, the $value of loss in the NFL is an order of magnitude greater, but in the CFL, every one of those game cheques means a lot more to the players than to an NFL player, it can mean the difference between food on the table or no food on the table for the family...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 18, 2021, 07:02:42 PM
Leila super center closing later this month. I can also see RBC closing probably by the end of September. Walmart, and Shoppers both have Pfizer.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 19, 2021, 03:25:38 AM
Sask. with 131 new cases today. Some cases linked to the Rider home opener.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 22, 2021, 02:37:04 AM
Two days in a row we have 40 plus cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 22, 2021, 03:03:21 AM
Two days in a row we have 40 plus cases.

27 on Thursday and 44 on Friday...nothing announced today - unless you have some inside info...

Active cases went way down in MB - Canada is exploding though


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 03:59:33 PM
Canada/USA women's hockey that night will fill in nicely for no football.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 06:41:18 PM
August 21, there was 46 cases, August 22, 36 cases, and today there is 27 cases.  Monday's are always a low number day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 23, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
How could they be so stupid?
Let's  post some numbers
Who on the Bombers doesn't have the vaxx?

Defensive corner?
Field goal kicker?
Lol!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 07:12:48 PM
Calgary Stampeders have become the 6th of 9 CFL teams to require vaccines for attendance.

Only BC, Riders and Elks don?t have such requirements ? yet.

And the Riders have already reported cases linked to the Riders season opener.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stats Junkie on August 23, 2021, 07:55:32 PM
Province of BC will require a single dose for sporting events as of September 13 with full vaccination required as of October 24. BC will be issuing a vaccine card - sounds like it will be done through an app.

Also heard on noon news that 87% of BC Lions have at least one dose.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 23, 2021, 07:59:12 PM
Thanks for the info onBCs vax rate.
Someone ask Bob on the sports show tonight.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 10:07:19 PM
219 new cases in Sask. today. Only 57% of population vaccinated in Sask.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue newt on August 24, 2021, 03:10:09 AM
Province of BC will require a single dose for sporting events as of September 13 with full vaccination required as of October 24. BC will be issuing a vaccine card - sounds like it will be done through an app.

Also heard on noon news that 87% of BC Lions have at least one dose.

Not sure about the BC thing.  I know the province announced vaccine restrictions for the province today, but that's for INDOOR ticketed concerts, theatre, dance, and sporting events.  As long as they leave the BC Place dome open, does it qualify?  There's been nothing I've seen on the BC Lions webpage or social media confirming or denying the rumours that they are included in the vaccine restrictions.  I hope they enforce it at Lions games, but it's still not clear if it will be.  My guess is that the team are also trying to clarify the rules with the health authority.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue newt on August 24, 2021, 03:23:10 AM
Not sure about the BC thing.  I know the province announced vaccine restrictions for the province today, but that's for INDOOR ticketed concerts, theatre, dance, and sporting events.  As long as they leave the BC Place dome open, does it qualify?  There's been nothing I've seen on the BC Lions webpage or social media confirming or denying the rumours that they are included in the vaccine restrictions.  I hope they enforce it at Lions games, but it's still not clear if it will be.  My guess is that the team are also trying to clarify the rules with the health authority.

Okay, I'm going to be a dweeb and reply to myself   :D

I looked into it a little further, and apparently, I wasn't the only one wondering if BC Place was considered an outdoor venue.  One of the local newspapers emailed the owners/operators of BC Place, and they confirmed that they will be operating the venue with the restrictions in place.  So, I admit fault!  I was wrong!

To quote the paper:

"B.C. Place is sometimes described as an outdoor venue, but PavCo, the crown corporation that manages the downtown Vancouver stadium, confirmed in an email they are covered by the new policy.

?The health and safety of PavCo?s staff, contractors, and guests remains our top priority and as such we welcome the introduction of the B.C. Vaccine Card program for events at our venues, B.C. Place and the Vancouver Convention Centre,? a PavCo spokesperson said in an email. ?PavCo is committed to doing our part  to keep our community?s recovery efforts moving forward and to see live meetings and event venues return to full capacity. We will work closely with our staff, contractors, government, clients and teams to manage the implementation of B.C. Vaccine Card to welcome guests to our venues.?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 24, 2021, 04:58:01 PM
I have no sympathy either. However it takes away games to watch and at some point could impact the Bombers. Even if it means we win a game by forfeit, I want to see games played, not just awarded.

Taints everything.

I understand and agree with the ruling concept. OTOH it seems unfair to the players that follow the recommended guidelines but still lose a paycheck due to those that don't. It's possible the players that tested positive were vaccinated but if the entire roster is below the " limit " it's the anti vax players that put a pin in entire team. Otherwise the team could have activated other players and isolated the infected.

There is nothing to substantiate but since Canada has a high vaccination rate, I believe those infected are most probably Imports. Could be vets or rookies sitting on PR ( I wouldn't want to be in their shoes today ).


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 24, 2021, 04:59:45 PM
Sounds like masks are going back on in public places.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 24, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
Sounds like masks are going back on in public places.

Why that mandate was ever removed just smacks of idiocy.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 24, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Hey Blue,

Good points.
I never thought I would see the potential defaulting the game to an Argos squad.

I am not too forgiving.  The CFL should stop procrastinating, award the points and let's move on. 
The concept of having a vaccination isn't new.

And I Dont buy religious reasons, health reasons, or the fact that they are ignorant.  Ok maybe health reasons. But I would think the vaccines don't hurt.  I am no Dr., so I should remain mum.

I foresee this mandatory vaccine as a soon to be law.

I thought the Charter of Rights had a section called restrictions.  Basically it said any rights(freedom of choice, thought, fundamental freedoms)  can be suspended, when the rights of the many are threatened. If such a situation occurs then the rights of the majority out weigh the Individual rights.

The not withstanding clause may address the same.
The restrictions clause was applied during both World Wars, and again during the October crisis, with the FLQ, in Quebec and Ottawa.

Invoking that clause would solve a lot of problems.

Unfortunately, in looking at a current Charter of Rights document, I couldn't find it, hence my fear, it may have been edited out.

This is cause for concern.  Our friends to the South, seem to becoming closer to a rebellion and that fool Donald Trump will be voted back in.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 24, 2021, 07:35:31 PM
Yes, it was unfortunate that the government thought that the inmates could be responsible and have some common sense.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Cool Spot on August 24, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
And I Dont buy ... health reasons

I wonder what sort of health reasons a professional football player, who puts their body on the line all the time with respect to getting hit by 200 lb athletes, sprinting back and forth and putting strain on tendons and ligaments, the travel schedule, stress of always looking over your shoulder, etc. could come up with that says the risk is greater than what they are already incurring?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Ridermania on August 24, 2021, 10:57:32 PM
Dave Naylor @TSNDaveNaylor
Just wrapped-up an interview with Randy Ambrosie in which he said the league is operating under ?informed guidance? that charters will not be exempt from a flight ban on unvaccinated individuals this fall.
Huge issue.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:31:25 AM
I wonder what sort of health reasons a professional football player, who puts their body on the line all the time with respect to getting hit by 200 lb athletes, sprinting back and forth and putting strain on tendons and ligaments, the travel schedule, stress of always looking over your shoulder, etc. could come up with that says the risk is greater than what they are already incurring?

Certaining conditions, especially those that cause bloodclotting (hyperhomocysteinemiaare,  antiphospholipid antibody syndrome, certain genetically inherited conditions etc) are medical reasons.  Just because you are healthy does not mean you do not have medical conditions.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:35:13 AM
Why that mandate was ever removed just smacks of idiocy.

I agree.  That said I think the unstated thought is to Gove some freedom before it had to be reimposed


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:36:10 AM
Running low on N95s.  Suggestions? 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:37:04 AM
219 new cases in Sask. today. Only 57% of population vaccinated in Sask.

For a second I thought you meantIQ in Saskatchewan  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 25, 2021, 03:00:43 AM
Running low on N95s.  Suggestions? 

Buy more.

Manitoba had 40 more cases today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 25, 2021, 03:01:39 AM
Certaining conditions, especially those that cause bloodclotting (hyperhomocysteinemiaare,  antiphospholipid antibody syndrome, certain genetically inherited conditions etc) are medical reasons.  Just because you are healthy does not mean you do not have medical conditions.
yup! Look no further than me. I am healthy BUT?..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 25, 2021, 03:02:44 AM
Montreal says there 85% vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Waffler on August 25, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
From Paul Friesen in the Sun:

?Selfish beyond words.?
That?s how one CFL executive describes players and/or staff who still choose not to be vaccinated against COVID-19.


Blue Bombers head coach Mike O?Shea said Monday his team will reach 85% vaccinations ? players and staff with a double-shot plus the two-week interval ? right after Labour Day.

That means the key shots would have just taken place early this week.


On Tuesday, we learned through Montreal player union rep Chris Ackie that the Alouettes have passed the 85% plateau, which is believed to rank them No. 2 in the league.

The Bombers are likely ranked third.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 25, 2021, 01:12:03 PM
Running low on N95s.  Suggestions? 


Tons of KN95's on Amazon... I have a couple hundred on hand for my staff...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: the paw on August 25, 2021, 01:57:15 PM


Do you "force the vax!" people even think about what you're saying?  The side forcing medical procedures on unwilling participants has never in history been the side of "good".

Did you know that by locking out or firing unvaccinated players you are being racist?  In the USA under 30% of African Americans are vaccinated, while the majority of whites are.  Those African Americans IMPs are the majority of the CFL's DBs, LBs, WRs, etc.  Who are you to tell them what to do with their bodies when they are obviously uncomfortable?  Shame on you.

What will happen if they can't fly and/or can't play is they will leave.  Many more than you would guess.  And many will be superstars.  They can wait to play in XFL 2.0.



SMH


Just to respond to some of the more egregious statements from your ridiculous post, let me offer the following:

1. No one is forcing medical procedures on anyone.  They would just be making it a condition of employment.  If you don't want to vaccinate in order to provide a safe work environment for your co-workers, find a job where you can stay at home.  We wouldn't tolerate a machinery operator refusing to wear eye protection or follow other workplace safety procedures, why do we tolerate it here?

2. Your race card-fu is weak grasshopper.  Lin-J Shell was an African-American DB in the CFL, who played at an all-star level until 2015.  He is dead from COVID at age 39.  I don't know the exact forms of racism that Lin-J experienced in his lifetime, but none of them were worse than being dead.  The misinformation that is being fed to people in Florida, exploiting historical mistrust for bizarre political ends is the real racist crime here. 

3.  If players choose to leave, let them leave. No one is bigger than the game.  Eventually, they all leave anyway, and others step into their place.  The league didn't fold up when we stopped signing wife-beaters, and it won't dry up if we do without people who are reckless with their health and the health of others. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on August 25, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
VOFO - Vaccinate Or F Off.

The US players have been in Canada long enough to get vaccinated here if they didn't do it at home. It's free medical, they should be all over that.

Medical reason not to get vaccinated puts you in the 1-5% of the population that can't get vaccinated. Surely the CFL can exempt and daily test those with a medical reason.

You get in you car, which is built to government standards, drive on a government standard road, to your government standard house or government standard workplace carrying your government standard driving licence that allows you to drive. So ya, the government can tell you what to do and make you get a card to do it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 25, 2021, 03:44:48 PM
VOFO - Vaccinate Or F Off.

The US players have been in Canada long enough to get vaccinated here if they didn't do it at home. It's free medical, they should be all over that.

Medical reason not to get vaccinated puts you in the 1-5% of the population that can't get vaccinated. Surely the CFL can exempt and daily test those with a medical reason.

You get in you car, which is built to government standards, drive on a government standard road, to your government standard house or government standard workplace carrying your government standard driving licence that allows you to drive. So ya, the government can tell you what to do and make you get a card to do it.

Pretty sure any medical reason for not taking the vaccine would also prohibit you from playing pro football.  So I can't see anyone playing the "medical exemption" card.

With many players from the bible belt, I can see many using the "religious exemption" ploy, except there isn't one.  The is nothing in religion that says you cannot have vaccine.  If you were to make a person sign a contract saying "I have a religious objection to the vaccine, as well as monoclonal antibodies, ventilators or any life saving therapies my own body and God cannot provide", you'd quickly get vaccine compliance from that group...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 25, 2021, 03:59:06 PM
Just to respond to some of the more egregious statements from your ridiculous post, let me offer the following:

1. No one is forcing medical procedures on anyone.  They would just be making it a condition of employment.  If you don't want to vaccinate in order to provide a safe work environment for your co-workers, find a job where you can stay at home.  We wouldn't tolerate a machinery operator refusing to wear eye protection or follow other workplace safety procedures, why do we tolerate it here?

2. Your race card-fu is weak grasshopper.  Lin-J Shell was an African-American DB in the CFL, who played at an all-star level until 2015.  He is dead from COVID at age 39.  I don't know the exact forms of racism that Lin-J experienced in his lifetime, but none of them were worse than being dead.  The misinformation that is being fed to people in Florida, exploiting historical mistrust for bizarre political ends is the real racist crime here. 

3.  If players choose to leave, let them leave. No one is bigger than the game.  Eventually, they all leave anyway, and others step into their place.  The league didn't fold up when we stopped signing wife-beaters, and it won't dry up if we do without people who are reckless with their health and the health of others. 

agree with all, sorry techno I am not buying what you are selling, vax now for all players to protect themselves, the league, the game and their loved ones, so simple


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 25, 2021, 04:01:28 PM
Pretty sure any medical reason for not taking the vaccine would also prohibit you from playing pro football.  So I can't see anyone playing the "medical exemption" card.

With many players from the bible belt, I can see many using the "religious exemption" ploy, except there isn't one.  The is nothing in religion that says you cannot have vaccine.  If you were to make a person sign a contract saying "I have a religious objection to the vaccine, as well as monoclonal antibodies, ventilators or any life saving therapies my own body and God cannot provide", you'd quickly get vaccine compliance from that group...

I'm not sure that's correct. Some people could have some medical conditions which make vaccinations a risk IIRC. A doctor would have to respond to that.

Regardless that would fall into a much smaller segment of any player group. Forfeit only applies to a roster not vaccinated under 85% IIRC. So there could be some exemption provision with testing rather than vaccination requirement? Whether that falls into the air travel issue is not clear either.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 25, 2021, 04:40:43 PM
105 today...

Southern - 41
Winnipeg - 29
Interlake-Eastern - 20
Northern - 6
Prairie Mountain - 9


Here's more information from the province today:

Of the 105 new cases, 70 were unvaccinated, including all 41 cases announced in Southern Health.

Most of the new cases all stem from close contact transmission.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 25, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
It's curious to me why there was suddenly so many positive tests. Makes me suspect the testing protocol was not up to snuff. For sure the unvaccinated players should have been tested daily. The unvaccinated a little less frequent perhaps. Perhaps they did as much, I just haven't heard any info to that effect.

It's going to be really funny to read this forum in October when many fully vaccinated players start testing positive and the season starts to fall apart.

There is NO evidence that vaccines prevent transmission because they don't provide sterilizing immunity. What they do is allow your body to more easily fight off the infection. We are all going to get COVID at some point. But those of us who are vaccinated will be less likely to end up dead or in hospital.

When we catch up the rest of the world (see data from Israel, Iceland, UK) on this issue that will be interested because right now everyone in Canada seems quite deluded about what the vaccines actually do.

IT's very easy to test positive for COVID on a high-cycle pcr test whether you are actually sick or actually contagious. An expert witness from the lab here in Winnipeg confirmed as much. As many as 50% of tests were non-contagious individuals.

So yes, lots of CFL players will test positive for covid as long as we keep mass testing them. Most will have few to no symptoms. It will not matter if they have been vaccinated. This is going to very much mess up this CFL season.

Please refrain from censoring this post long enough to see if I'm right. If I'm wrong you can all engage in your usual flaming and brigading and censorship against anyone with different opions.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 25, 2021, 07:33:57 PM
It's going to be really funny to read this forum in October when many fully vaccinated players start testing positive and the season starts to fall apart.

There is NO evidence that vaccines prevent transmission because they don't provide sterilizing immunity. What they do is allow your body to more easily fight off the infection. We are all going to get COVID at some point. But those of us who are vaccinated will be less likely to end up dead or in hospital.

When we catch up the rest of the world (see data from Israel, Iceland, UK) on this issue that will be interested because right now everyone in Canada seems quite deluded about what the vaccines actually do.

IT's very easy to test positive for COVID on a high-cycle pcr test whether you are actually sick or actually contagious. An expert witness from the lab here in Winnipeg confirmed as much. As many as 50% of tests were non-contagious individuals.

So yes, lots of CFL players will test positive for covid as long as we keep mass testing them. Most will have few to no symptoms. It will not matter if they have been vaccinated. This is going to very much mess up this CFL season.

Please refrain from censoring this post long enough to see if I'm right. If I'm wrong you can all engage in your usual flaming and brigading and censorship against anyone with different opions.

Not sure I understand what you're getting at with this post.

We know that vaccines *do* prevent transmission, although by exactly how much is not yet clear (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html)) (especially delta since it's more transmissive). Early evidence of reporting cases is steadily showing the majority of new cases are with the unvaccinated.

I don't think anyone ever said you couldn't get covid if you're not vaccinated. The point is that you are responsible by taking measures to not spread it around and cause outbreaks on your team and in the community. This includes not being frivolous with your behaviours in public.

Don't worry, no one will censor you. You're not a victim.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 25, 2021, 07:36:34 PM
Not sure I understand what you're getting at with this post.

We know that vaccines *do* prevent transmission, although by exactly how much is not yet clear (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html)) (especially delta since it's more transmissive). Early evidence of reporting cases is steadily showing the majority of new cases are with the unvaccinated.

I don't think anyone ever said you couldn't get covid if you're not vaccinated. The point is that you are responsible by taking measures to not spread it around and cause outbreaks on your team and in the community.

Don't worry, no one will censor you. You're not a victim.

What I'm getting at is that if we pretend that vaccination provides sterilizing immunity, and the solution to not having players test positive for COVID is to just vaccinate anyone then the season is going to be cancelled as vaccinated players test positive and games are cancelled. This is a much bigger problem then people realize and vaccination will not solve it. Look at Israel data. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-covid-case-breakthrough-data-shows-vaccines-not-pandemic-silver-bullet-1622465


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 25, 2021, 07:57:31 PM
What I'm getting at is that if we pretend that vaccination provides sterilizing immunity, and the solution to not having players test positive for COVID is to just vaccinate anyone then the season is going to be cancelled as vaccinated players test positive and games are cancelled. This is a much bigger problem then people realize and vaccination will not solve it. Look at Israel data. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-covid-case-breakthrough-data-shows-vaccines-not-pandemic-silver-bullet-1622465

Pretty sure nobody's ever claimed that vaccination alone would end the pandemic. Vaccines offer a layer of protection from the virus, though. And COVID-19 vaccines are no different in that regard. These clowns who choose not to get vaccinated with no legitimate reason are part of the problem with this outbreak in the Elks organization.

Booster shots will likely be required if we're to learn from what's taking place in Israel. However, there's more to it than just vaccine efficacy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why)



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 25, 2021, 09:05:54 PM
We are going to have a problem in the south for awhile because there only 40% vaccinated.

20 in the Interlake is also no surprised, many people in that region not wearing masks in public.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ichabod_crane on August 25, 2021, 09:18:40 PM
VOFO - Vaccinate Or F Off.

You get in you car, which is built to government standards, drive on a government standard road, to your government standard house or government standard workplace carrying your government standard driving licence that allows you to drive. So ya, the government can tell you what to do and make you get a card to do it.


Obviously you have never lived in a rural area. I know of several back roads that ARE NOT GOVERNMENT Standard. People living in shacks with no water or other conveniences. You are being ignorant of the real world around you even in Canada.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 25, 2021, 09:37:19 PM
Pretty sure nobody's ever claimed that vaccination alone would end the pandemic. Vaccines offer a layer of protection from the virus, though. And COVID-19 vaccines are no different in that regard. These clowns who choose not to get vaccinated with no legitimate reason are part of the problem with this outbreak in the Elks organization.

Booster shots will likely be required if we're to learn from what's taking place in Israel. However, there's more to it than just vaccine efficacy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why)


Good read thanks for posting. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on August 26, 2021, 03:18:16 AM
It's going to be really funny to read this forum in October when many fully vaccinated players start testing positive and the season starts to fall apart.

There is NO evidence that vaccines prevent transmission because they don't provide sterilizing immunity. What they do is allow your body to more easily fight off the infection. We are all going to get COVID at some point. But those of us who are vaccinated will be less likely to end up dead or in hospital.

When we catch up the rest of the world (see data from Israel, Iceland, UK) on this issue that will be interested because right now everyone in Canada seems quite deluded about what the vaccines actually do.

IT's very easy to test positive for COVID on a high-cycle pcr test whether you are actually sick or actually contagious. An expert witness from the lab here in Winnipeg confirmed as much. As many as 50% of tests were non-contagious individuals.

So yes, lots of CFL players will test positive for covid as long as we keep mass testing them. Most will have few to no symptoms. It will not matter if they have been vaccinated. This is going to very much mess up this CFL season.

Please refrain from censoring this post long enough to see if I'm right. If I'm wrong you can all engage in your usual flaming and brigading and censorship against anyone with different opions.

You may well be right with the bolded as we are in a much different situation with the virus right now because of the Delta variant and it's evolving quickly. Right now though, it appears the vaccinated are getting infected(symptomatic or not) at a slower rate than the unvaxxed in a mass testing environment such as a professional sports team. So, the vaccines are mitigating the positive test numbers for now. But, that could change and soon. Therefore, it's incumbent upon the vaccinated players to be every bit as diligent with their behavior as the unvaxxed. If this does mess up the CFL season, the only "saving grace" if you will for the CFL is that all the other professional sports leagues are going to have the exact same problem. Delta could be a really big problem for pro sports leagues this fall, even the big leagues.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 26, 2021, 03:31:06 AM
How is that a saving grace?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on August 26, 2021, 03:53:34 AM
How is that a saving grace?

None of it's good of course. But they won't stand out from other leagues by being the only one with the problem. I thought that was obvious. I guess not, by bad.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 26, 2021, 08:37:25 AM
Alberta had 1076 cases today, and 283 in hospital. Things aren't looking good in Alberta. I have a feeling more Elk's will test positive.

As bad luck would have it, I'm travelling through Alberta right now on my way back home, many (the vast majority) people as well as significant businesses seem to be no longer taking any visible precautions.  Just today I had to put up my hand to prevent at least a dozen people, no masks, from entering an 8'x8' elevator containing my family, including my Dad who is 89.  Tomorrow morning I'm gassing up the car and we're getting the hell outta Dodge as quick as can be.   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on August 26, 2021, 12:28:57 PM

Obviously you have never lived in a rural area. I know of several back roads that ARE NOT GOVERNMENT Standard. People living in shacks with no water or other conveniences. You are being ignorant of the real world around you even in Canada.
Way to miss the point completely. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 26, 2021, 01:34:09 PM
Teams have played three games in ten days as recent as 17 or 18, and I believe it was Toronto.
Stupid I know.

I am sick of this Covid crap.
Intelligent people have made the rules based on what intelligent people have debated and researched. So get the **** vaccine and quit endangering my life!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 26, 2021, 04:11:09 PM
Is there any breakdown of the population counts for each of those regions?  Seems to me southern and interlake would be a tiny fraction of Winnipeg, so while the numbers of total cases don't look that horrible, the actual % of population (the x/100,000 number) is probably huge...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 26, 2021, 04:48:49 PM
Terrible idea

Why?
Are they even sick? Do they have symptoms? Why does it matter?

I'm looking for answers not insults.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 26, 2021, 04:50:34 PM
Teams have played three games in ten days as recent as 17 or 18, and I believe it was Toronto.
Stupid I know.

I am sick of this Covid crap.
Intelligent people have made the rules based on what intelligent people have debated and researched. So get the **** vaccine and quit endangering my life!


Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 26, 2021, 05:52:24 PM
Actually that's EXACTLY what they claimed as recently as 3 months ago. Short memories.

Oh? Who said that? Who's they?

Tell us more... You seem rational and informed based on your comments. Probably didn't even read the article, either... Yet, you whine about not getting answers. Priceless.

Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

Comical projection. I bet you're one of those self-proclaimed "free thinkers," too.

Why?
Are they even sick? Do they have symptoms? Why does it matter?

I'm looking for answers not insults.

Others here have provided answers, which you've ignored.

If only there were a cure for cognitive dissonance.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 26, 2021, 06:43:45 PM
Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

Where are there 80% vaxxed, and is 80% enough to control things?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: wpg#1 on August 26, 2021, 08:04:27 PM
Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

It's the other 20ish %
See what I did there  ?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 26, 2021, 10:12:04 PM
Oh? Who said that? Who's they?

Tell us more... You seem rational and informed based on your comments. Probably didn't even read the article, either... Yet, you whine about not getting answers. Priceless.

Comical projection. I bet you're one of those self-proclaimed "free thinkers," too.

Others here have provided answers, which you've ignored.

If only there were a cure for cognitive dissonance.

Listen to this man!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 27, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
14 cases now on the elks. Man not good!

No kidding. Their next game is only about 9 days away. I'd say there is a chance that game could be " postponed ".  Just a guess but if they don't get clearance to start practice by Monday, then another problem.

I'm still waiting to understand what mechanism the league put in place if this came up. It all seems to have fallen into a black hole.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Cool Spot on August 27, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

Based on my understanding, it is a combination of multiple things:

* 80% is not enough for herd immunity, the R0 is still too high as the virus passes from person-to-person even without contact, and even from people who aren't showing symptoms
* I think the 80% number is of eligible adults and 12+, it doesn't include kids, so the actual number of people who are fully vaccinated is less
* The Delta variant has a much higher viral load than the earlier versions, so people who are infected pass far more particles which increases the number of people who will be subsequently infected (much higher R0)
* As a result of Delta, because the viral load is so much higher, vaccinated people can both catch COVID and also spread it, though they are much less likely to require hospitalization. In my view, this is the argument for getting it -> Vaccines reduce the risk of catching COVID, or at least from developing severe symptoms"]"
* Finally, and this is based upon my own analysis and should be treated suspiciously until proven otherwise, the COVID virus has spike proteins on its exterior (we've all seen the images), and they attach to our ACE2 receptors in our nose and throats. The vaccines teach our immune system to see the spike protein as a foreign invader and send antibodies to fight it. However, it wouldn't prevent the virus from physically attaching to your ACE2 receptors. Thus, I'm beginning to think that everyone will catch COVID at some point, it's just a matter of how severe your case will be

That's my understanding of why we aren't out of this yet.

It seems logical to me to require vaccination in some cases, since it reduces the risk by a lot. There seems to be some evidence, but I am not sure how accurate it is, that a pre-existing infection provides some level of protection but it's not like a gov't can require you to go and get infected. But in any case, until COVID becomes low-prevalence and endemic, it seems we will be in a state of heightened risk.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 27, 2021, 03:43:03 PM
Based on my understanding, it is a combination of multiple things:

* 80% is not enough for herd immunity, the R0 is still too high as the virus passes from person-to-person even without contact, and even from people who aren't showing symptoms
* I think the 80% number is of eligible adults and 12+, it doesn't include kids, so the actual number of people who are fully vaccinated is less
* The Delta variant has a much higher viral load than the earlier versions, so people who are infected pass far more particles which increases the number of people who will be subsequently infected (much higher R0)
* As a result of Delta, because the viral load is so much higher, vaccinated people can both catch COVID and also spread it, though they are much less likely to require hospitalization. In my view, this is the argument for getting it -> Vaccines reduce the risk of catching COVID, or at least from developing severe symptoms"]"
* Finally, and this is based upon my own analysis and should be treated suspiciously until proven otherwise, the COVID virus has spike proteins on its exterior (we've all seen the images), and they attach to our ACE2 receptors in our nose and throats. The vaccines teach our immune system to see the spike protein as a foreign invader and send antibodies to fight it. However, it wouldn't prevent the virus from physically attaching to your ACE2 receptors. Thus, I'm beginning to think that everyone will catch COVID at some point, it's just a matter of how severe your case will be

That's my understanding of why we aren't out of this yet.

It seems logical to me to require vaccination in some cases, since it reduces the risk by a lot. There seems to be some evidence, but I am not sure how accurate it is, that a pre-existing infection provides some level of protection but it's not like a gov't can require you to go and get infected. But in any case, until COVID becomes low-prevalence and endemic, it seems we will be in a state of heightened risk.

Big study just came out showing natural infection is 27x more protective than the vaccine. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

(Moderator Edit:  Please note that, with regard to the above article it states: "This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."

That's how this is going to end. With us all getting COVID and recovering from it and getting sterilizing immunity. That will take years. In the meantime those who are young and healthy and/or vaccinated have very low risk of serious illness, as with other respiratory viruses. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/

This is the only "ending" or "victory" we're going to get. It's not going away. If we keep obsessively testing people for COVID infection and excluding them from things like playing sports because of it, then it's going to be very difficult to have things like sports for years given the reality of an endemic respiratory virus.

So I hope we adopt a saner policy.

Enjoy the reading, I hope people here can start to get a more realistic view of what the "ending" of the pandemic looks like, otherwise, like I said, we're in for a very hard next 5-10 years and we're also likely looking at the end of the CFL if they keep following a zero covid policy which is likely impossible.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 27, 2021, 06:15:25 PM
Here in Manitoba. Theresa Tam said that was enough back in the spring. I actually can remember more than 3 months back. It's a rare gift.

- We do not have 80% of the population in Manitoba vaccinated

- The 80% number Tam gave was an estimate at the time

- The 80% number did not consider the more contagious variant

Great memory tho


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 27, 2021, 06:36:11 PM
We have 76% vaccinated in Manitoba. 82% with a single shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 27, 2021, 06:37:09 PM
Masks back on in public places.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 27, 2021, 08:27:19 PM
- We do not have 80% of the population in Manitoba vaccinated

- The 80% number Tam gave was an estimate at the time

- The 80% number did not consider the more contagious variant

Great memory tho

The Delta variant existed in the spring. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 28, 2021, 02:15:13 AM
Masks back on in public places.

Never took it off...I am one with a mask now.


Aards - if you can send me a PM with know good sellers of kn95 on Amazon.  Got ripped off early in the pandemic...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 28, 2021, 04:27:01 PM
Try ABC Fire & Safety. I bought a 100 off of them a month ago.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 29, 2021, 12:19:34 AM
Mask mandate should be kept on for months, get the vax rate up and protect our communities and health care system.  So simple, so effective.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 30, 2021, 12:05:43 PM
Big study just came out showing natural infection is 27x more protective than the vaccine. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

(Moderator Edit:  Please note that, with regard to the above article it states: "This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."

LOL :D


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 30, 2021, 12:54:28 PM
LOL :D

Glad to see the moderators here are so well versed on the process of scientific peer-review.

Now if there are any methodological problems in this scientific study that I assume you have read cover to cover please explain them in detail in this space.....


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 30, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
Glad to see the moderators here are so well versed on the process of scientific peer-review.

Now if there are any methodological problems in this scientific study that I assume you have read cover to cover please explain them in detail in this space.....

Looks like the moderators are rational and capable of objective, unbiased, critical thought. Good on them.

Confirmation bias is almost as bad as cognitive dissonance. Your feeble arguments are getting demolished by both... Ironic in that it is self-inflicted and thus, pretty darned hilarious. Those are the real "gifts" you have.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 30, 2021, 02:46:09 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200)

As if this is even a thing... Looking good, Alabamberta! :-\


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 31, 2021, 01:31:56 PM
Looks like the moderators are rational and capable of objective, unbiased, critical thought. Good on them.

Confirmation bias is almost as bad as cognitive dissonance. Your feeble arguments are getting demolished by both... Ironic in that it is self-inflicted and thus, pretty darned hilarious. Those are the real "gifts" you have.

I'm really not sure why I bother. Some days it's like I've gone through the looking glass but here goes...

Natural immunity is a proven concepts in science for decades. Denying it exists is like denying evolution or climate change. Furthermore the way a vaccine works is by triggering your body's natural immune system to produce antibodies. Frankly its absurd to think that you wouldn't get lasting natural immunity from getting COVID and it's hardly surprising that this immunity is 14x better than that which you get from a vaccine as the study showed.

If you have a legitimate issue with the way in which this study was conducted I'm welcome to discuss it. But if you'd rather engage in namecalling and ad hominem attacks I suppose that tells us something about you.

It's just blindingly obvious that those who have had COVID are immune for a very long time and you are SAFER being around them than vaccinated people. Excluding them from society (including football games) because they didn't bother getting a redundant vaccination is absolutely idiotic and unscientific.

If you are really concerned about being exposed to COVID after being vaccinated (which in my opinion you have no reason to be but ok) then you should take this paper very seriously because it shows the chance of a vaccinated person spreading COVID to you is much greater than someone who has had it and recovered spreading it to you.

Can we please have an adult conversation in a rational manner about vaccines, immunity and how they work? Or are we just going to keep making policies on the basis of fear, scapegoating and the desire to coerce all people into vaccination regardless of their particular circumstances?

Some days it seems like everyone has lost their mind over this thing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on August 31, 2021, 02:08:50 PM
Covid is like the flu. New varieties all the time. Some, like Delta, are worse than the original. Getting one variety may or may not protect you from the others. Some places are giving 3rd shots to the most vulnerable people and some are talking about yearly boosters. In short, natural immunity may not be enough.

How do you expect un-vaccinated folks are going to prove they had Covid? A 'I had Covid Passport'? Without proof, every un-vaccinated person could just say they had Covid to get into anywhere they wanted putting everyone around them at risk.

Government policies aren't science based, they are politically based. A science based approach would be everyone who can get vaccinated gets vaccinated and no one gets to make the decision for themselves. If you can't get vaccinated due to medical reasons, then you're going to need to be repeatedly tested. Every vaccinated and un-vaccinated person has their status added to their drivers licence or other official documentation that includes  a picture. That's not politically palatable.

Personally, I've come to the point where if you're not smart enough to get vaccinated, then you need to be kept away from other people and maybe leave the gene pool. As long as you don't taken anyone with you, I'm fine with it.

Society has the answer and it's free. Adult enough for you?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 31, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
I'm really not sure why I bother. Some days it's like I've gone through the looking glass but here goes...

Natural immunity is a proven concepts in science for decades. Denying it exists is like denying evolution or climate change. Furthermore the way a vaccine works is by triggering your body's natural immune system to produce antibodies. Frankly its absurd to think that you wouldn't get lasting natural immunity from getting COVID and it's hardly surprising that this immunity is 14x better than that which you get from a vaccine as the study showed.

If you have a legitimate issue with the way in which this study was conducted I'm welcome to discuss it. But if you'd rather engage in namecalling and ad hominem attacks I suppose that tells us something about you.

It's just blindingly obvious that those who have had COVID are immune for a very long time and you are SAFER being around them than vaccinated people. Excluding them from society (including football games) because they didn't bother getting a redundant vaccination is absolutely idiotic and unscientific.

If you are really concerned about being exposed to COVID after being vaccinated (which in my opinion you have no reason to be but ok) then you should take this paper very seriously because it shows the chance of a vaccinated person spreading COVID to you is much greater than someone who has had it and recovered spreading it to you.

Can we please have an adult conversation in a rational manner about vaccines, immunity and how they work? Or are we just going to keep making policies on the basis of fear, scapegoating and the desire to coerce all people into vaccination regardless of their particular circumstances?

Some days it seems like everyone has lost their mind over this thing.

Natural immunity from covid after an infection is great if it doesn't kill you in the 1st place. Just like Russian roulette. You're more likely to survive if you take ALL the bullets out of the gun.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 31, 2021, 04:25:38 PM
I'm really not sure why I bother. Some days it's like I've gone through the looking glass but here goes...

Natural immunity is a proven concepts in science for decades. Denying it exists is like denying evolution or climate change. Furthermore the way a vaccine works is by triggering your body's natural immune system to produce antibodies. Frankly its absurd to think that you wouldn't get lasting natural immunity from getting COVID and it's hardly surprising that this immunity is 14x better than that which you get from a vaccine as the study showed.

If you have a legitimate issue with the way in which this study was conducted I'm welcome to discuss it. But if you'd rather engage in namecalling and ad hominem attacks I suppose that tells us something about you.

It's just blindingly obvious that those who have had COVID are immune for a very long time and you are SAFER being around them than vaccinated people. Excluding them from society (including football games) because they didn't bother getting a redundant vaccination is absolutely idiotic and unscientific.

If you are really concerned about being exposed to COVID after being vaccinated (which in my opinion you have no reason to be but ok) then you should take this paper very seriously because it shows the chance of a vaccinated person spreading COVID to you is much greater than someone who has had it and recovered spreading it to you.

Can we please have an adult conversation in a rational manner about vaccines, immunity and how they work? Or are we just going to keep making policies on the basis of fear, scapegoating and the desire to coerce all people into vaccination regardless of their particular circumstances?

This is such a bad take. All of that word salad you posted just to tell others you lack the ability to understand how immunology, vaccination, and virology actually function in the real world. Indeed, why do you bother?

Nobody has argued against natural immunity, so you should drop that nonsensical narrative. What you're failing to grasp, either by intent or not, is that vaccination assists immunity by adding a layer of protection to fight viruses, both endemic (various strains of influenza) and novel (COVID-19). It's not an either or scenario as much as you want to frame it that way and the science on vaccination has long been settled, much in the same way evolution and climate change have been. Vaccines work and your insistence to claim otherwise, ignore facts presented by others, and pretend to know better than experts in related scientific fields is what's idiotic and unscientific. Vaccines have a proven track record and the ones designed to fight COVID-19 are no exception.

I mean, the link you posted concludes that vaccination provides additional protection. Did you even read it?

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Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

The article doesn't advocate for not getting vaccinated nor does it claim vaccine are ineffective. Moreover, it's only a single study conducted in a single jurisdiction (Israel) over a limited timeframe (~11 weeks) within specified parameters. And it's all prefaced by saying it hasn't been peer reviewed or evaluated and should not be used in any practical way. There's absolutely nothing to be gained by misrepresenting any aspect of the study.

You pleading to have an "adult conversation" is absurd considering you've posted previously about discrimination, segregation, violation of charter rights, mass surveillance, mistrust of the gov't, communist China, etc. while committing numerous logical fallacies to defend whatever stance it is you've chosen to take here. Being misinformed is troubling enough but don't pretend for a second you want to have a mature or rational conversation.

You claim you're double vaccinated but your commentary on vaccines seems to fly in the face of it. If you're so convinced exposure to the virus is best, why did you get vaccinated? You seem to think vaccines are useless but you've made it a point on at least two occasions to claim you've been vaccinated.

Quote
Some days it seems like everyone has lost their mind over this thing.

Projection is a pretty bad look.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 31, 2021, 10:11:59 PM
Agreed.  How do you play A Team sport and not do what is mandated by the team.  Ya don't want to, get off the team.  Celebrate your independence in hospital dweeb!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ichabod_crane on August 31, 2021, 10:32:37 PM
Covid is like the flu. New varieties all the time. Some, like Delta, are worse than the original. Getting one variety may or may not protect you from the others. Some places are giving 3rd shots to the most vulnerable people and some are talking about yearly boosters. In short, natural immunity may not be enough.

How do you expect un-vaccinated folks are going to prove they had Covid? A 'I had Covid Passport'? Without proof, every un-vaccinated person could just say they had Covid to get into anywhere they wanted putting everyone around them at risk.

Government policies aren't science based, they are politically based. A science based approach would be everyone who can get vaccinated gets vaccinated and no one gets to make the decision for themselves. If you can't get vaccinated due to medical reasons, then you're going to need to be repeatedly tested. Every vaccinated and un-vaccinated person has their status added to their drivers licence or other official documentation that includes  a picture. That's not politically palatable.

Personally, I've come to the point where if you're not smart enough to get vaccinated, then you need to be kept away from other people and maybe leave the gene pool. As long as you don't taken anyone with you, I'm fine with it.

Society has the answer and it's free. Adult enough for you?

ACTUALLY you can get a blood test to see if you have some of the COVID antibodies, although I am not sure for all COVID strains right now. This kind of test has been available since the spring. I verified it with medical authorities at that time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 31, 2021, 11:47:24 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200)

As if this is even a thing... Looking good, Alabamberta! :-\

You know, Bill Gates started the rumour about Ivermectin... but he didn't start until he had managed to get microchips in all the Ivermectin supply...

Can we please start this to stop people from hurting themselves?


Also, vaccine has very limited side effects, the worst is usually like a mild flu, I personally had zero side effects, not even soreness at the jab site.  But Ivermectin, wow... people are getting really sick, and most experience violent and unexpected anal leakage.  People are literally crapping themselves in line at Walmart.  Poison control is getting huge numbers of calls about overdoses of it as well, it is designed to dose animals 10 times our size, so of course you aren't going to be easily able to scale the dosage back...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on September 01, 2021, 01:37:09 AM
NOTE:

Please also avoid spreading unfounded opinions and/or reports on the COVID subject.  You can express a personal opinion or belief but we ask that you do not post articles that purport to be medical fact but have no proven medical information that supports such articles.

COVID is a serious, yet relatively new, disease with many "unknowns" at this time.  Err on the side of caution when posting (in the COVID thread) about this subject.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 01, 2021, 02:19:13 PM
34 new cases yesterday in Manitoba. 233 Last week. 41% form Winnipeg, 32% form the Southern region, and 12% from the Interlake. .2% of people who have at least one shot are getting infected.

Compared to Sask. who had 274 case yesterday and 2 more deaths. This is down from August 28 when they had 371 new cases.

Alberta had 920 new cases, with 4 more deaths, and a TPR of 12.42%.

BC. has over 6,000 active cases with an average of 685 cases per day over the past week.

Can we hold off the 4th wave, with school around the corner.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on September 02, 2021, 01:48:26 AM
4th wave is coming
Just a matter of when and how bad


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 02, 2021, 03:54:47 AM
at 80% vaccinated, it still leaves over 200k vulnerable to getting the disease and having bad outcomes....

We need 100% vaccine rates


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 02, 2021, 05:49:34 AM
100% vaccine rate is a pipe dream. Never will happen.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: gobombersgo on September 02, 2021, 09:47:31 AM
4th wave is coming
Just a matter of when and how bad

4th wave has already arrived in the US and BC and Alberta.

I dont believe Manitoba will be affected much by the 4th wave but there is always the possibility of a 5th wave.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 02, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
4th wave has already arrived in the US and BC and Alberta.

I dont believe Manitoba will be affected much by the 4th wave but there is always the possibility of a 5th wave.

Ontario and Sask. can be add the the list of Provinces in the 4th wave right now. Sask. had another day of over 300 with 321 new cases, and now nearly 2400 active cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 02, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
36 cases today in Manitoba, with 2 deaths. 15 of those cases are in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 1.5%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 02, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid)

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Researchers at King's College London analysed data from participants logging their symptoms, tests and vaccines on the UK ZOE COVID Symptom Study app between 8th December 2020 and 4 July 2021, including 1,240,009 (first dose) and 971,504 (second dose) vaccinated UK adults. The research team assessed a range of factors, including age, frailty and areas of deprivation and compared that with post-vaccination infection.

The study, published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases, found that in the unlikely event of catching COVID-19 after being double vaccinated, the risk of Long COVID was reduced by almost half. There were also fewer hospitalisations (73% less likely) and lower burden of acute symptoms (31% less likely) among those fully vaccinated. The nature of the most common symptoms were similar to unvaccinated adults ? e.g. anosmia,(loss of smell) cough, fever, headaches, and fatigue. All these symptoms were milder and less frequently reported by people who were vaccinated, and they were half as likely to get multiple symptoms in the first week of illness. Sneezing was the only symptom which was more commonly reported in vaccinated people with COVID-19.

Oh, look... Vaccines work.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 02, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid)

Oh, look... Vaccines work.

That study looked at barely 2 million people, and only in the UK... you can understand people still being wary.  Over 5 billion doses administered, there could still be side effects...

Of course, I am joking.  There is absolutely no reason a sentient being should doubt the safety and efficacy of these vaccines, none.

And I really don't understand anyone having a "religious objection", with the exception of Christian Scientists, who will refuse both the vaccine AND medical treatment should they catch COVID.  Anyone refusing vaccines should be refused treatment, or triaged behind any other vaccinated patient needing any treatment.  These deaths of unvaccinated people that continue happening are totally preventable...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 03, 2021, 09:53:22 PM
56 new cases today, 23 in the southern region, 20 in Winnipeg.

Alberta putting masks back on. Also offering $100.00 for each jab.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 07, 2021, 07:30:48 PM
36 new cases today in Manitoba. 19 of those in Winnipeg. We also have a TPR of 1.4%

On the other hand the Southern Region had 10 cases, all unvaccinated, and 4 deaths.

In total we lost 6 more people over the last reporting period.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 08, 2021, 02:22:25 AM
New dashboard shows vaccinated status, looking at the charts, the biggest wedges of the pie are coming from a 20% of the province that is unvaccinated... amazing illustration of the fact vaccines work.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/updates/cases.html


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 08, 2021, 12:44:35 PM
Nice to see vaccine appointments are going up again in Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 02:53:04 AM
52 new cases today in Manitoba. 14 of those cases are in Winnipeg, 26 are in the Southern Region.

84% of the cases in hospital are unvaccinated. Another 10% are only partially vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on September 09, 2021, 01:03:16 PM
Nice to see vaccine appointments are going up again in Manitoba.

That's good to hear.

Vaccine restrictions are the only thing that works at this point. Although it was nice to see Trudeau rail against misinformation last night.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 09, 2021, 01:30:03 PM
52 new cases today in Manitoba. 14 of those cases are in Winnipeg, 26 are in the Southern Region.

84% of the cases in hospital are unvaccinated. Another 10% are only partially vaccinated.

Of the 12 in ICU, 11 are unvaccinated, and the other is vaccine status unknown...

anyone have stats on the populations of "Winnipeg" and "Southern Region"?  I'm thinking Winnipeg is a little more population... yet Southern has double the cases.  Wonder what the connection is there... ;)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 05:19:30 PM
Well there is just over 700,000 people in Winnipeg, The Southern Health Region around 50,000,


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 05:24:26 PM
Manitoba had another 54 cases today, with 21 in Winnipeg, and another 16 in the Southern Region. 1 more death which bring us to 1199. TPR in Winnipeg still at 1.4 %.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 06:13:10 PM
My cousin in Sask. just informed me that his mothers nursing home will start booster shots on September 21.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 09, 2021, 07:42:52 PM
Well there is just over 700,000 people in Winnipeg, The Southern Health Region around 50,000,

so 21/700000 is the Winnipeg spread rate 0.00003

16/50000 is the Southern spread rate 0.00032

100 times the spread rate per capita in southern over Winnipeg


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 11, 2021, 02:55:12 AM
105 cases today, and another death which brings us up to 1200. 1200 deaths is far to many.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 12, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quebec nearing 1000 cases per day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 13, 2021, 04:58:56 PM
171 new cases of covid report in Manitoba over the last three day, and two more deaths. Compared to Sask. who report 420 new cases yesterday, we are holding our own.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 14, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
41 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba. 21 in the South, 12 in Winnipeg, with 3 deaths. Winnipeg TPR is 1.6%.

Yesterday Sask. 449 new cases, and 4 more deaths. Still only about 70% of there population has been fully vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 15, 2021, 05:53:33 PM
49 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 20 of those cases in Winnipeg. 69 people in Hospital, and 15 in the ICU. 2 more deaths.

Yesterday: Sask. reporting 506 new cases, nearly 4000 active cases, 225 in hospital, and 43 in ICU. 20% in kids 0-11 years.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 15, 2021, 09:06:58 PM
49 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 20 of those cases in Winnipeg. 69 people in Hospital, and 15 in the ICU. 2 more deaths.

Yesterday: Sask. reporting 506 new cases, nearly 4000 active cases, 225 in hospital, and 43 in ICU. 20% in kids 0-11 years.

Wonder if we are going to be called upon to take in cases from AB, ON or SSK... knock on wood, our ICU's have capacity.  I really, really hope we don't need to take in overflow, but we do owe them... and from a kharma standpoint should return the favour. 

In the meantime, I hope that our ICU personnel are getting some R&R with the reduced demand on their resources, with school back in we will probably see a spike shortly.  Luckily vaccines will reduce ICU need dramatically, we will need to have many times the cases we had before to need the same ICU resources...

We're doing a good job holding down the spread, I really hope that the new PC leader doesn't eff it all up trying to cater to a few votes from vocal minorities outside the city.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 16, 2021, 04:10:17 AM
Alberta has already asked Manitoba if they would be able to take some ICU patients. There ICU's are quickly filling up.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 16, 2021, 02:16:42 PM
Alberta has already asked Manitoba if they would be able to take some ICU patients. There ICU's are quickly filling up.

Alberta is a mess right now. All because of poor leadership.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 17, 2021, 02:49:02 AM
Alberta is a mess right now. All because of poor leadership.

Agree, and the same can be said about Sask. Opened way to early, dropped the masks, even as vaccines had stalled.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on September 19, 2021, 12:36:12 AM
4th wave crushing part of Western Canada