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Title: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 15, 2021, 04:02:35 PM
It seems BC is extending the lock down for indoor dining again. While I haven't heard the official comment yet the rumor was until after May long weekend. This would also include large gatherings which I'd take to include things like football TC's?

That's brutal for the business community and their employees. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on April 15, 2021, 04:40:31 PM
It seems BC is extending the lock down for indoor dining again. While I haven't heard the official comment yet the rumor was until after May long weekend. This would also include large gatherings which I'd take to include things like football TC's?

That's brutal for the business community and their employees. 

There's rumours that it will actually escalate to a 4 week non essential shut down. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 16, 2021, 01:47:40 AM
There are a few Provinces that are really in rough shape right now. These new variants are nasty.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on April 16, 2021, 05:27:06 PM
Yes, the problem is that people are still going out to house parties, restaurants, and hanging out with friends in the malls.  If everyone on the planet would just lock themselves up for 1 month with no contact to anyone, we will be done with this virus long time ago. With internet, millions of tv shows, cell phones, we won't go crazy hopefully... :)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 16, 2021, 05:48:05 PM
Alberta had 1646 cases yesterday and 54% of those was the new variants, which was #1 in Canada per capita.

BC had 1205 cases.

Ontario is in need of health care workers.

Quebec reporting 1527 cases today.

Heading back out to the lake till my next vaccination which is the first week of June.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: buckzumhoff on April 16, 2021, 09:04:33 PM
Ontario is policing the border. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 16, 2021, 09:11:55 PM
Ontario is policing the border. 

Manitoba should also.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 17, 2021, 03:09:51 AM
Manitoba:
April 12, zero deaths.
April 13, two deaths.
April 14, three deaths.
April 15, one death.
April 16, zero deaths.

Shutdown everything on Monday?  Patrol the border?  Kill the CFL?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety", Ben Franklin


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on April 17, 2021, 03:20:49 AM
Manitoba:
April 12, zero deaths.
April 13, two deaths.
April 14, three deaths.
April 15, one death.
April 16, zero deaths.

Shutdown everything on Monday?  Patrol the border?  Kill the CFL?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety", Ben Franklin


Two very different scenarios.  Ben Franklin was talking specifically about a tax issue whereas the current situation involves the health, well being and the future for many people around the world, including the 10 provinces and 3 territories comprising Canada.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 17, 2021, 01:30:05 PM
Manitoba:
April 12, zero deaths.
April 13, two deaths.
April 14, three deaths.
April 15, one death.
April 16, zero deaths.

Shutdown everything on Monday?  Patrol the border?  Kill the CFL?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety", Ben Franklin
There are no signs of intelligent life in this post.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 17, 2021, 09:56:06 PM
Numbers are slowly going up in Winnipeg, with 127 new cases today. The total numbers in Manitoba today was around 183. I here there was about 300 losers at the Forks today protesting public health orders.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 17, 2021, 10:04:56 PM
I say, if you want to stay home and cocoon yourself, you can do that. The people who choose not to live in fear and are willing to move about and live their lives go for it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 17, 2021, 11:37:15 PM
I say, if you want to stay home and cocoon yourself, you can do that. The people who choose not to live in fear and are willing to move about and live their lives go for it.
No sign of intelligent life in this post either.

If people who go out were only putting their own health at risk, I'd have no problem with it, but hat's not the way it works. Folks who don't take precautions pass it on to others who don't take precautions. The old and those with preexisting conditions might die if they get it. Folks who get it and end up in the hospitals cost taxpayers a ton of money and put pressure on already overworked medical staff. Wear your masks. Wash your hands. Stay at home as much as possible. How is that too much to ask?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 18, 2021, 02:08:20 AM
Having 300 people in close proximity with no masks, with the new variants is really a stupid thing to do right now.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 18, 2021, 02:23:42 AM
I say, if you want to stay home and cocoon yourself, you can do that. The people who choose not to live in fear and are willing to move about and live their lives go for it.

So should these people that you are speaking about, get treatment for Covid if they get it?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 18, 2021, 04:10:46 PM
So should these people that you are speaking about, get treatment for Covid if they get it?

Yep. I wear a mask as required when I enter a store, I do not wear a mask when I am outside, I do not cocoon in my home and continue to live my life as I wish. If I get sick so be it, and I would expect treatment. I guess you feel I don't deserve treatment because I am not hiding in my house and avoiding contact with people. If you want to do that, you are free to exercise your right, just as I am allowed to exercise my right to continue to live not being afraid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 18, 2021, 04:34:06 PM
I believe everyone deserves treatment as long as there following the Province Health Orders. If your like Tobias Tissen who continues to defy the Province Health Orders and rolling the dice and taking unnecessary risks that put the rest of the people in this Province and our Health Care Workers in jeopardy, then yes I believe you should be on your own when it comes to treatment.

Very few people in Manitoba are living in your so called cocoon. We function normally everyday, we just follow ALL the Province Health Rules.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 18, 2021, 05:02:51 PM
You have the same right not to wear a mask as you have to not to wear a helmet on a Motorcycle or to not wear a seat belt when you're in a car. IE: You can get a ticket for failure to comply. Actually, it's better not to wear a helmet or seat belt because that only hurts you, it doesn't hurt other people.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 18, 2021, 06:22:38 PM
Yep. I wear a mask as required when I enter a store, I do not wear a mask when I am outside, I do not cocoon in my home and continue to live my life as I wish. If I get sick so be it, and I would expect treatment. I guess you feel I don't deserve treatment because I am not hiding in my house and avoiding contact with people. If you want to do that, you are free to exercise your right, just as I am allowed to exercise my right to continue to live not being afraid.

You're rights don't include doing everything you want. Nobody said you need to live in fear or in a cocoon.

It's only been said to use common decency and judgement so as to not put others at risk.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 18, 2021, 10:06:39 PM
You're rights don't include doing everything you want. Nobody said you need to live in fear or in a cocoon.

It's only been said to use common decency and judgement so as to not put others at risk.



How is choosing to be outside, distanced from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk? I choose to live a normal life other than when I wear a mask in a store, I take it off immediately after exiting. If you want to walk around outside, drive a car, while wearing a mask you can do it. But don't condemn the people who don't, they are not putting anyone else at risk, if you don't like that then stay clear of someone you see outside not wearing a mask. You can live in fear if you want, I don't.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2021, 01:07:12 AM
How is choosing to be outside, distanced from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk? I choose to live a normal life other than when I wear a mask in a store, I take it off immediately after exiting. If you want to walk around outside, drive a car, while wearing a mask you can do it. But don't condemn the people who don't, they are not putting anyone else at risk, if you don't like that then stay clear of someone you see outside not wearing a mask. You can live in fear if you want, I don't.

Wow, you really have gone off the deep end. I don't remember anyone saying any of the thing you saying.

Most people remove there mask when they leave a public space. Most people do not drive around in there own vehicle with a mask on. Most people don't wear a mask outside when socially distanced from other people.

 



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 19, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
How is choosing to be outside, distanced from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk? I choose to live a normal life other than when I wear a mask in a store, I take it off immediately after exiting. If you want to walk around outside, drive a car, while wearing a mask you can do it. But don't condemn the people who don't, they are not putting anyone else at risk, if you don't like that then stay clear of someone you see outside not wearing a mask. You can live in fear if you want, I don't.

You didn't mention anything about social distancing while outside not wearing a mask. People shouldn't NEED to walk around others not wearing masks outside.

It depends on which version of not wearing masks outside you maintain. Outside is full of people walking on the sidewalk without masks. That is not acceptable.


I don't live in fear but I respect the rights of others in those situations and I wear a mask.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 19, 2021, 03:26:23 PM
You didn't mention anything about social distancing while outside not wearing a mask. People shouldn't NEED to walk around others not wearing masks outside.

It depends on which version of not wearing masks outside you maintain. Outside is full of people walking on the sidewalk without masks. That is not acceptable.


I don't live in fear but I respect the rights of others in those situations and I wear a mask.

 Perhaps you should re-read my first sentence. I specifically stated "How is choosing to be outside, DISTANCED from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk?"


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 19, 2021, 03:56:32 PM
Perhaps you should re-read my first sentence. I specifically stated "How is choosing to be outside, DISTANCED from other people without a mask and doing the things like normal putting anyone else at risk?"

Distanced from other people might only mean 6' most of the time but not all of the time. While masks may not completely protect from Covid it's a start. Being 6' away from others and sneezing or coughing ( for example ) is counter to medical advice about why masks should be worn outdoors. IF you may come in close proximity to others. OTOH if there is no chance of close proximity to others feel free to NOT wear a mask.

IE: If you're standing directly behind me at 6' distance without a mask and sneeze, speak loudly, cough etc, does that put me at greater risk? Is that your definition of distancing?  If you are outside it is nearly impossible to maintain social distance at all times unless you are in your back yard.

Perhaps you reading comprehension is the one in question. Distanced means a lot of different things to some of the people out there. There are those that feel their rights include only what they feel applies to others and not them.

There is no old normal these days.




Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 19, 2021, 07:32:12 PM
I think it's much easier to social distance outside then it is inside, say like Walmart.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on April 20, 2021, 03:45:00 PM
Distanced from other people might only mean 6' most of the time but not all of the time. While masks may not completely protect from Covid it's a start. Being 6' away from others and sneezing or coughing ( for example ) is counter to medical advice about why masks should be worn outdoors. IF you may come in close proximity to others. OTOH if there is no chance of close proximity to others feel free to NOT wear a mask.

IE: If you're standing directly behind me at 6' distance without a mask and sneeze, speak loudly, cough etc, does that put me at greater risk? Is that your definition of distancing?  If you are outside it is nearly impossible to maintain social distance at all times unless you are in your back yard.

Perhaps you reading comprehension is the one in question. Distanced means a lot of different things to some of the people out there. There are those that feel their rights include only what they feel applies to others and not them.

There is no old normal these days.




Sucks to be you, living in fear of people standing now 6' away from you but talking loudly. Good luck with that!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 20, 2021, 04:17:28 PM
Sucks to be you, living in fear of people standing now 6' away from you but talking loudly. Good luck with that!

Contrary to your opinion I am not living in fear. I am however aware of practical precautions as a senior citizen. Most medical opinions suggest social distancing and wearing masks in public even outdoors.

I don't wear a mask outdoors 100% of the time. I do have the mask ready as necessary when people or myself might come within contact of each other.

LOL. I get it, your special.  Your comments sound like those from anti vaxers.

You do realize this is an airborne spread virus. You can't have a conversation without resorting to comments like " sucks to be you " or " living in fear " says a lot about you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 20, 2021, 04:22:42 PM
Contrary to your opinion I am not living in fear. I am however aware of practical precautions as a senior citizen. Most medical opinions suggest social distancing and wearing masks in public even outdoors.

I don't wear a mask outdoors 100% of the time. I do have the mask ready as necessary when people or myself might come within contact of each other.

LOL. I get it, your special.  Your comments sound like those from anti vaxers.

You do realize this is an airborne spread virus. You can't have a conversation without resorting to comments like " sucks to be you " or " living in fear " says a lot about you.

Best to just disengage and ignore the nonsense posting. There's nothing be gained by talking to lost causes just out to stir the pot and create drama.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 20, 2021, 04:42:42 PM
Best to just disengage and ignore the nonsense posting. There's nothing be gained by talking to lost causes just out to stir the pot and create drama.
That's exactly why I stopped a couple of days ago.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 20, 2021, 08:34:00 PM
Two weeks after Easter and the Covid cases are slowing rising in Winnipeg. Also the new variants are going up. 211 new cases in Manitoba today. 123 of those cases are in Winnipeg. TPR 6.3%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: 66 Chevelle on April 20, 2021, 10:39:47 PM
LOL. Good point. Maybe they should name the team Edmonton Exit.

I'm not sure if I think no news is good news or bad news. Anxious to hear something about anything in regard to the 2021 season at the very least.

Nothing else will matter if that doesn't turn out reasonably well.

US news today that 40% of all adults have had at least the 1st vaccination. The catch is how many in the 20-30 age group ( CFL players for example ) will never get a vaccination.

51.1% of 18 and older have had at least the 1st shot... 33.3% have received their second shot...

80.3% of those 65+ have had at least the 1st shot... 65.1% have received their second shot...

over 206 million vaccinations have been given and we are averaging almost 3 million shots per week currently... according to what I've heard, that once we reach 70% vaccinated the virus will be under control... whatever that means...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on April 21, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
51.1% of 18 and older have had at least the 1st shot... 33.3% have received their second shot...

80.3% of those 65+ have had at least the 1st shot... 65.1% have received their second shot...

over 206 million vaccinations have been given and we are averaging almost 3 million shots per week currently... according to what I've heard, that once we reach 70% vaccinated the virus will be under control... whatever that means...

Just an FYI it's 3 - 4 million shots daily. That's remarkable progress.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on April 21, 2021, 01:37:11 PM
Meanwhile in Canada, 2.13% have received 2 doses and 17.5% have received 1 dose.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 21, 2021, 01:58:13 PM
The US is getting a lot of shots in arms, but there daily numbers are still up, and there hospitalisations are going up again. 32,228,968 cases, and 579,039 deaths in the US.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 21, 2021, 05:57:05 PM
162 cases in Manitoba today. Winnipeg had 76 cases and a TPR of 6.6 which seems to be growing each day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 22, 2021, 06:39:57 PM
Manitoba with 261 new cases today, 159 new cases in Winnipeg, with a TPR of 6.5%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 23, 2021, 05:05:05 PM
181 new cases in Manitoba today. With 103 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 6.8%. 2 death's, the male that was 50 was a friend of my brothers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on April 23, 2021, 06:08:32 PM
so sad  ........ so very sad with a passing


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 24, 2021, 07:29:19 PM
270 New cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 183 of those cases in Winnipeg. The TPR in Winnipeg is 7.2%. This is a very big jump. I can see shut downs coming.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 25, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
259 in Manitoba today, with 188 of those cases in Winnipeg. The TPR in Winnipeg is 7.6%.

Ontario reporting 3975 cases today.

Alberta report 1592 cases, and ICU's are filling up quickly.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 25, 2021, 08:13:23 PM
Bianca Andreescu tests positive for Covid. She has had a tough time since winning the US open.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2021, 02:17:52 AM
CNN reporting tonight that US has millions of doses of Astra in storage.

India has only vaccinated about 2% of there population.

Japan who is hosting the Summer Olympics has vaccinated less then 1% of there population.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
210 cases of covid today in Manitoba. 157 in Winnipeg, with a TPR 8.2% and 500 plus idiots at the forks with no masks and no social distancing yesterday.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 26, 2021, 05:14:53 PM
Back to lockdown.

This is horrible.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 26, 2021, 09:04:36 PM
Just received a text from a buddy of mine. His wife who has been a nurse for 31 years decides retire today. In her words, I am not going to put myself or family at risk for all these people that can't follow basic rules.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on April 27, 2021, 03:46:46 PM
Back to lockdown.

This is horrible.

Yup... So sick of this crap. All thanks for covidiots who can't just see past their own selfishness.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 27, 2021, 06:39:35 PM
218 new covid cases in Manitoba today, with 156 of them in Winnipeg. The TPR is 8.4%.

My brother in-law went to RBC today to get her vaccination and said it's a well oil machine.

Zero wait time in fact his app. was for 9:30  and he was done and in his car by 9:50. Nice to hear.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 27, 2021, 07:43:58 PM
218 new covid cases in Manitoba today, with 156 of them in Winnipeg. The TPR is 8.4%.

My brother in-law went to RBC today to get her vaccination and said it's a well oil machine.

Zero wait time in fact his app. was for 9:30  and he was done and in his car by 9:50. Nice to hear.

Same experience for my wife the other weekend. She said she couldn't believe how well set up the supersite was and how efficient everything went. Didn't align at all with the bad press. Not that we don't need needles in arms to go faster...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2021, 04:42:06 PM
189 Covid cases today in Manitoba. 124 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 8.4%.

2 people in there 20's among the 3 deaths. The other person was 100.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2021, 05:17:39 PM
Nephew says he handed out 7 tickets today at one residence in the West End. Manitoba Housing rental property. 10 people living or visiting in the 2 bedroom home. Apparently only 3 people are supposed to be living there.

Never going to get this under control with crap like this.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 29, 2021, 03:07:11 PM
Quebec & Formula 1 cancel Montreal F1 Grand Prix for 2021.  They will have it in Turkey instead.  Turkey.

Let that sink in, every other country in the world with F1 scheduled this year (23 of them) is/will be running their race.  Except Canada.  And many of those countries are having more deaths from covid compared to Canada.

Canada is the laughing stock.  Beaten by near-dictatorship Turkey.  Have fun watching the Turkish Grand Prix from your basements.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: the paw on April 29, 2021, 03:21:35 PM
Same experience for my wife the other weekend. She said she couldn't believe how well set up the supersite was and how efficient everything went. Didn't align at all with the bad press. Not that we don't need needles in arms to go faster...

Got my vaccine at the super site on Tuesday.  I showed up at 3:15 for my 3:30 appt, went through screening, the lines and had the shot by 3:35, the longest part of the process was waiting the 15 minutes to leave.  I was out the door at 3:50 and home at 4:05.

Lots to criticize about the general government response, but the super site process isn't one of them, it was golden. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TecnoGenius on April 29, 2021, 03:35:05 PM
2 people in there 20's among the 3 deaths. The person was 100.

How come all of your daily updates cherry-pick only the negative-looking stats?  How come for the days with zero deaths you quietly don't mention the death count for that day?

Manitoba deaths in April:
days with zero deaths: 8
days with one death: 10
days with two deaths: 4
days with three deaths: 6
days with more than three deaths: 0 ...  ZERO
trend in April: none discernable, about the same number of deaths in late April as early April.

That's doesn't look like a pandemic anymore to me.  That's doesn't look like a reason to lockdown the province and further limit our charter freedoms.  Do you know how many people died a day in Manitoba during the Spanish Flu?

You know how hard it is to get the MB covid deaths data?  Funny that, it's easy to find cases data, but impossible to find a chart anywhere that shows just the deaths.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe once people learn it's 0-3 deaths a day, with 1 on average, they won't be so eager for eternal CFL-killing lockdowns?  People are waking up, they're just too scared of Karen & the Stasi to speak up.  I'm not scared of Karen.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 03:42:22 PM
Quebec & Formula 1 cancel Montreal F1 Grand Prix for 2021.  They will have it in Turkey instead.  Turkey.

Let that sink in, every other country in the world with F1 scheduled this year (23 of them) is/will be running their race.  Except Canada.  And many of those countries are having more deaths from covid compared to Canada.

Canada is the laughing stock.  Beaten by near-dictatorship Turkey.  Have fun watching the Turkish Grand Prix from your basements.


You can always move to another country if you don't like how Canada is handling Covid. The lockdown will just give you more time to re-watch the GC.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 03:47:05 PM
Got my vaccine at the super site on Tuesday.  I showed up at 3:15 for my 3:30 appt, went through screening, the lines and had the shot by 3:35, the longest part of the process was waiting the 15 minutes to leave.  I was out the door at 3:50 and home at 4:05.

Lots to criticize about the general government response, but the super site process isn't one of them, it was golden. 

Nice to hear, it seems the super site is doing very well lately.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 04:05:31 PM
How come all of your daily updates cherry-pick only the negative-looking stats?  How come for the days with zero deaths you quietly don't mention the death count for that day?

Manitoba deaths in April:
days with zero deaths: 8
days with one death: 10
days with two deaths: 4
days with three deaths: 6
days with more than three deaths: 0 ...  ZERO
trend in April: none discernable, about the same number of deaths in late April as early April.

That's doesn't look like a pandemic anymore to me.  That's doesn't look like a reason to lockdown the province and further limit our charter freedoms.  Do you know how many people died a day in Manitoba during the Spanish Flu?

You know how hard it is to get the MB covid deaths data?  Funny that, it's easy to find cases data, but impossible to find a chart anywhere that shows just the deaths.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe once people learn it's 0-3 deaths a day, with 1 on average, they won't be so eager for eternal CFL-killing lockdowns?  People are waking up, they're just too scared of Karen & the Stasi to speak up.  I'm not scared of Karen.



Blah, Blah, Blah. I think there's a protest for you non-believes some place this weekend. Get out your little sign and don't wear a mask. You probably don't need vaccine because covid is no threat to you.

I think we went down this path with you a few 100 post ago, 1 death is 1 to many. 13 or 100 it really doesn't matter.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 29, 2021, 04:43:07 PM
How come all of your daily updates cherry-pick only the negative-looking stats?  How come for the days with zero deaths you quietly don't mention the death count for that day?

Manitoba deaths in April:
days with zero deaths: 8
days with one death: 10
days with two deaths: 4
days with three deaths: 6
days with more than three deaths: 0 ...  ZERO
trend in April: none discernable, about the same number of deaths in late April as early April.

That's doesn't look like a pandemic anymore to me.  That's doesn't look like a reason to lockdown the province and further limit our charter freedoms.  Do you know how many people died a day in Manitoba during the Spanish Flu?

You know how hard it is to get the MB covid deaths data?  Funny that, it's easy to find cases data, but impossible to find a chart anywhere that shows just the deaths.  I wonder why that is?  Maybe once people learn it's 0-3 deaths a day, with 1 on average, they won't be so eager for eternal CFL-killing lockdowns?  People are waking up, they're just too scared of Karen & the Stasi to speak up.  I'm not scared of Karen.


Anyone who follows the daily updates knows it's a couple deaths a day. The point is that these are deaths *under lockdown*. Cases, people in hospital, deaths, etc serve as an indicator of what's to come if we just open up and pretend it's not a problem, like you're advocating. No one is freaking out about a few deaths a day, they are using it to understand just how horribly bad it could be if we let the guards down.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2021, 05:06:25 PM
230 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 177 of those cases in Winnipeg. 2 more death and Winnipeg's TPR is 8.3%.

More Schools shutting down, more kids getting Covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 30, 2021, 01:37:35 PM
A man in BC who held a large party has been given 1 day in jail, a $5,000 fine and 18 months probation. I like it, but it would have been better if he received 10 days in Jail.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 30, 2021, 05:20:01 PM
290 new covid cases today in Manitoba, with 187 of those in Winnipeg with one death. Winnipeg's TPR 8.2%.

149 people still hospital recovering from covid, 39 of those are in ICU.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 01, 2021, 08:29:24 PM
273 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today. Winnipeg had 199 of those cases, and TPR of 8.3%. Also 2 more deaths.


There has also been 2 cases of swine flu pop up.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: the paw on May 01, 2021, 09:20:50 PM
There was an article in the Globe and Mail talking about some British studies indicating that a single shot of the Pfizer, while providing significant protection, has diminished efficacy against variants.  The second shot is needed to really get the highest level of protection.

Given that MB is projecting a 4 week lapse until second shot, a lot of people are not going to be fully protected until Labour Day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 02, 2021, 04:55:29 PM
281 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 178 of those cases in Winnipeg. TPR in Winnipeg is 8.4%. 2 deaths today with one of them a women in her 30's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 03, 2021, 06:39:43 PM
250 new cases today in Manitoba, 184 of those cases in Winnipeg with a TPR of 8.7%. This up from last week.

There was another death. Man in his 50's. B.1.1.7 variant related.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 04, 2021, 05:26:04 PM
291 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today. 212 of those cases are in Winnipeg, with a TPR of 9.2%. There was also one death today, the man was in his 40's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 05, 2021, 07:10:07 PM
272 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with Winnipeg having 182 of those cases. The TPR is still at 9.2%, and we had 2 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 06, 2021, 04:59:24 PM
363 new cases of Covid in Manitoba, with 263 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is at 10.4% and 4 more deaths.  Not a good day for Manitoba.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 07, 2021, 03:40:37 PM
Apparently, by May 21, all people will be eligible for shots.  I'm guessing second shots might happen shortly thereafter.  Wondering if they will do the same age / priority order for second shots, or just based on when you got your first one...

My 24 year old daughter is still waiting for her shot, even though she is considered "Priority One" by the gov't (she is taking immune suppressors for Crohn's).  She is not allowed to go to the supersites, just pharmacies, and pharmacies only have AZ which cannot be given to people under 30.   Why they haven't opened supersites to "Priority One" list, but have for vocation/location "hot spot" people befuddles me.  I have been asking for weeks, with no response from the PC gov't at any level.  Makes voting for them again almost impossible.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 07, 2021, 04:49:05 PM
502 cases today. TPR for Winnipeg at 11.4%, for MB 9.6%... Brutal.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 07, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
502 cases today. TPR for Winnipeg at 11.4%, for MB 9.6%... Brutal.

This is why we can't have nice things... camping restrictions until after May 24, looks like restaurant restrictions coming tonight to kill Mother's day.  If only the schools had better protection (better ventilation, better PPE, vaccines for teachers) and citizens a little less selfish in flaunting gathering rules, we might be past this...



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: barrywpg on May 07, 2021, 07:12:43 PM
I wish they would say how many of these cases have 1, 2 or 0 vaccine doses


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on May 07, 2021, 08:22:12 PM
Apparently, by May 21, all people will be eligible for shots.  I'm guessing second shots might happen shortly thereafter.  Wondering if they will do the same age / priority order for second shots, or just based on when you got your first one...

In talks with the pharmacist who jabbed me in the shoulder yesterday, it sounds with the expected volume of vaccines (again it has to actually happen, but let's assume things get back on track) over the next few weeks will allow for tight(er) windows from the first shot to the second (i.e. 3 weeks for Pfizer and 4 weeks for Moderna) regardless of age.   They've already got me pencilled in for June 6 for #2.

That being said, she also informed me that there's a fairly serious issue with people multi booking locations and then trying to shorten the second shot scenario (you'd like to think in this day and age that would not be possible, but at 40,000 shots a day in AB, it's not inconceivable that some people get away with it) with pretty bad results.  She made mention that one person some how took 3 shots in a week, and is now in a coma because of it (seems a little far fetched on face value, but at the same time, she had no reason to lie about it).  Long story short - give the first dose the time to work before the second shot.  I was wiped out last night (was feeling great at 5 pm, was sleeping by 6pm for 12 hours), today feel fine, arms still a bit sore.  My wife didn't fair quite as well, she still feels like a Riderfan, but she usually has harsher reactions than I do.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 08, 2021, 06:36:23 PM
488 new cases today in Manitoba, with 389 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 12.6% and we had 3 deaths including a female in her 20's from Winnipeg.

My cousin arrived in Winnipeg on Monday morning, flew out last night, not one person at the airport said anything to her. What about the 14 days?




Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 09, 2021, 05:55:52 PM
532 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 442 of those cases in Winnipeg. The TPR is 13% and we 3 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 10, 2021, 05:03:17 PM
502 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 399 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 13.8%. We also had 4 deaths, with a person in there 40's, 50's, 60's, and 80's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 11, 2021, 05:00:18 PM
329 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today with 235 of these cases in Winnipeg. Looks like zero deaths, but our TPR is 14.2%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 12, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
364 cases of Covid in Manitoba today with 223 of those case in Winnipeg. TPR in Winnipeg is 14.4% and we had 3 deaths.

Sad news, Manitoba has hit the 1000th death today.

The good new, anyone 18 or older can now be vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 12, 2021, 07:21:10 PM
Was in virtual court today dealing with three garnishments. Wow, talk about a hassle. Thanks to the court clerk we are done with those three ex-tenants, and they will have a little less on pay day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 13, 2021, 05:46:37 PM
560 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 431 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 14.4%. 3 more deaths in Manitoba. This is a single day record for Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 14, 2021, 01:36:37 PM
Pfizer vaccinations now for anyone 12 years and older.  We just signed up all the Grandkids, no excuses now.

The US is paying people to get vaccinated, but there daily numbers are dropping. Only in the US you would have to pay people to protect themselves. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on May 14, 2021, 02:49:35 PM
Only in the US you would have to pay people to protect themselves. 

And Winkler. ;)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 14, 2021, 04:11:35 PM
Have never heard they are paying people to take the vaccine in Winkler?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on May 16, 2021, 11:10:13 AM
Have never heard they are paying people to take the vaccine in Winkler?

No, just taking a shot based on recent reports that vaccine uptake has been low in the Winkler and Steinbach areas.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on May 17, 2021, 12:56:41 AM
Do you think they will issue"passports" to verify who has the vaccine and let those people attend games. I got my first shot Astra Zeneca, no side effects, at No frill pharmacy a month ago. It took five minutes.

I called to enquire about the second shot, and the attendant didn't know.

I think if we all got the shot, life would start to return to normal.  Certainly. Our poor businesses that. Have to close, have to be at wits end.

I sure don't wanna. Miss any CFL football. Plus. Some wings and. A few. Cold beers in a bar atmosphere, would be nice.

Go Bombers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on May 17, 2021, 12:47:30 PM
It's not a passport. It's proof of being vaccinated. Lots of countries already require proof of vaccination for other diseases. I'm 100% for adding your Covid Vaccination status to drivers licences or other official ID so it's easy for businesses to check before they let you in.

No Vaccination? NO FOOTBALL FOR YOU!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 17, 2021, 01:19:55 PM
It's not a passport. It's proof of being vaccinated. Lots of countries already require proof of vaccination for other diseases. I'm 100% for adding your Covid Vaccination status to drivers licences or other official ID so it's easy for businesses to check before they let you in.

No Vaccination? NO FOOTBALL FOR YOU!

In Manitoba they are looking at providing separate proof of vaccination cards. They are already providing proof of vaccine documentation for when this eventuality occurs.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on May 17, 2021, 02:15:01 PM
In Manitoba they are looking at providing separate proof of vaccination cards. They are already providing proof of vaccine documentation for when this eventuality occurs.
Cool. I hope it's a card that's not easy to fake, cuz the covidiots will fake them for sure.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 17, 2021, 05:03:00 PM
430 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 313 in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 14.3, and there was 1 death in the Southern Region.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
Cool. I hope it's a card that's not easy to fake, cuz the covidiots will fake them for sure.

At this point I just don't care. Get it done and let us move on with our lives.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: 66 Chevelle on May 18, 2021, 01:12:53 PM
I've got my vaccination card but it also has multiple open lines on it as with what has become the standard flu, there will be annual COVID19 flu shots required to keep from getting it... at least for the foreseeable future...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on May 18, 2021, 01:24:44 PM
At this point I just don't care. Get it done and let us move on with our lives.
You do realize that the new normal will be different than the old normal was... right? Getting on with our lives will include vaccine proof and yearly vaccinations and giving people distance in public and other things that I haven't thought of yet.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 18, 2021, 03:13:02 PM
You do realize that the new normal will be different than the old normal was... right? Getting on with our lives will include vaccine proof and yearly vaccinations and giving people distance in public and other things that I haven't thought of yet.

I hope so but I have little hope based on how this pandemic has played out 15 months in.

The old normal kinda sucked, anyway.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
You do realize that the new normal will be different than the old normal was... right? Getting on with our lives will include vaccine proof and yearly vaccinations and giving people distance in public and other things that I haven't thought of yet.

I have no doubt that the new normal will be different but it will be a heckuva lot closer to the old normal than where we are at right now. Personally, I don't like crowded situations so I am alright with space.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 05:07:30 PM
I hope so but I have little hope based on how this pandemic has played out 15 months in.

The old normal kinda sucked, anyway.

Yep...it was time for a new normal with or without the pandemic. Personal space has been an issue for years.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 18, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
I've got my vaccination card but it also has multiple open lines on it as with what has become the standard flu, there will be annual COVID19 flu shots required to keep from getting it... at least for the foreseeable future...

Well...that's the overpopulated causing pandemic outbreaks world we live in I guess. Was just a matter of time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 18, 2021, 06:16:25 PM
335 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with 241 of those cases in Winnipeg. 1 death and Manitoba's TPR is 13%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on May 18, 2021, 07:18:24 PM
Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 18, 2021, 07:46:29 PM
Yep...it was time for a new normal with or without the pandemic. Personal space has been an issue for years.

I was referring more so to how selfish, inconsiderate, and generally awful people can be for no particular reason other than their own lousy self-important delusions. The pandemic has really shone a light on the dregs of society, IMO. Which is to say nothing of how willfully ignorant those types choose to be.

Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence

Seems like a common thing in the US but I haven't heard of anyone here or elsewhere in Canada getting a vaccination card.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 18, 2021, 08:44:19 PM
I am getting my second shot next week, I hope they send me one of those vaccine cards. lol.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: barrywpg on May 19, 2021, 01:38:55 AM
Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence

https://sharedhealthmb.ca/covid19/test-results/

 Important Information Regarding Your COVID-19 Immunization
COVID-19 immunization information can take up to 10 days to become available online. If you do not have a Manitoba Health Family Registration card to create an account, contact your local public health office to request a copy of your immunization record.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 19, 2021, 03:52:15 PM
Got my AZ shot a month ago, was a "Priority Two" lister for the first dose (living with/caring for a "Priority One" lister who is on immumosuppresants)

They have made a Priority list for second doses that only includes health conditions (like immunosuppressed people) but does not include those caring for / living with those on the Priority list.  I hope they quickly add that second list, because even having two doses, many immune compromised people's systems can still not mount a defense against COVID, and those they live with can pose a danger.  I get the first dose is 80% effective or so against spread, but that 20% is still too much risk, caregivers/companions need to be protected to protect the vulnerable.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 19, 2021, 05:47:29 PM
Excuse my ignorance but are the sending vaccination cards out 66 Chevelle .........  how did you get one ??

Aunt got both doses by end of March but has nothing for an ID of such an occurrence

66 Chevelle lives in Missoura.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 19, 2021, 05:51:09 PM
Got my AZ shot a month ago, was a "Priority Two" lister for the first dose (living with/caring for a "Priority One" lister who is on immumosuppresants)

They have made a Priority list for second doses that only includes health conditions (like immunosuppressed people) but does not include those caring for / living with those on the Priority list.  I hope they quickly add that second list, because even having two doses, many immune compromised people's systems can still not mount a defense against COVID, and those they live with can pose a danger.  I get the first dose is 80% effective or so against spread, but that 20% is still too much risk, caregivers/companions need to be protected to protect the vulnerable.


Read an article today that there's a plan for a rollout of the second shot, with the expected date for shots to be COMPLETE by July 31. I get these sound optimistic and demand on supply but...that really excites me. You are certainly correct that second doses play a critical role to actually getting back to normal, even though it's also very good that we are getting first doses into people at a hugely accelerated rate...finally.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 19, 2021, 07:08:57 PM
402 new cases in Manitoba today, with 252 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is a crazy 15.1%, and we had 4 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 19, 2021, 09:36:04 PM
402 new cases in Manitoba today, with 252 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is a crazy 15.1%, and we had 4 deaths.

I hate TPR stats.. has nothing to do with anything.  402 cases is distressing, as is the 132 ICU beds in use (80 COVID related) and the 2 soon to be 3 patients transferred to Ontario. 

TPR goes high when tests go down.  The number of tests recently is lower than it has been, I'm guessing people who are not vaccinated also don't care about getting tested until  they land in the hospital, having infected everyone they have been in contact with. 

I am confident that the vast majority of Manitobans are being responsible, getting vaccinated and following current guidelines.  The hundreds of new cases are no doubt largely people who are not being responsible...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 02:45:51 AM
I hate TPR stats.. has nothing to do with anything.  402 cases is distressing, as is the 132 ICU beds in use (80 COVID related) and the 2 soon to be 3 patients transferred to Ontario. 

TPR goes high when tests go down.  The number of tests recently is lower than it has been, I'm guessing people who are not vaccinated also don't care about getting tested until  they land in the hospital, having infected everyone they have been in contact with. 

I am confident that the vast majority of Manitobans are being responsible, getting vaccinated and following current guidelines.  The hundreds of new cases are no doubt largely people who are not being responsible...

If it's 15% of a 100 tests or 10,000 tests it's still 15%. Which is far to high.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2021, 01:31:01 PM
If it's 15% of a 100 tests or 10,000 tests it's still 15%. Which is far to high.

You miss the point.  If there is test hesitancy, the number jumps.  If there is no test hesitancy, the number drops.  If there is easy test availability, the number drops, if tests are harder to get, the number jumps. 

The actual number of infections has little relation to the TPR.  Want TPR down?  Incentivize testing.  Open up testing sites.  Advertise "Feeling a little sick?  Go get tested".  These things do nothing to reduce the spread, but will all reduce TPR. 

My concern right now is contact tracing, and where does it lead back to.  Where are these cases coming from.  What activities are causing the third wave.  and then actively working to shut down these pathways of infection.  For instance, 500 new cases would be 36.6/100k. That number stays exactly the same regardless how many tests were run.


I know gym rats think gyms should be open, I know people want to get haircuts, and everyone wants to go to a movie and dine in a restaurant,the current lockdown targets certain activities that logically are potential points of spread.  But are they where we are getting this third wave from?  Or is it antimask rallies and church services?  Or is it retail shopping?  I still see whole families doing to grocery stores, or home depot.  And people lining up to get into Ikea or the new Home Sense.  Or is it public transit? 

We need to know MORE about why there is spread, and what measures are needed to curtail it.  Freaking out about a number that is just a ratio between a dire stat and an irrelevant one is dumb.  I'd replace TPR with cases/100k.  THAT shows actual spread numbers in stable relative and relatable terms.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
Both my grandson's were vaccinated today, 12 and 14, granddaughter is tomorrow, she's 12. Very happy.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 05:15:54 PM
Manitoba had a one day record of 603 new cases, with Winnipeg having 409 of those cases and a TPR of 15.3%. It's looking like 3 deaths, and 291 people in hospital, with 232 of those being active cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on May 20, 2021, 05:47:30 PM
There are many people gathering socially. I can drive down my back lane on any given evening and see gatherings on decks and backyards with multiple vehicles in driveways and along the street. I live in a primarily forty something neighborhood and a ton of people just aren't buying into the public health orders anymore. I am sure this applies to almost every neighborhood around. People are even being sneaky and parking on the street 4 or 5 houses down from where they are gathering.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2021, 06:26:50 PM
There are many people gathering socially. I can drive down my back lane on any given evening and see gatherings on decks and backyards with multiple vehicles in driveways and along the street. I live in a primarily forty something neighborhood and a ton of people just aren't buying into the public health orders anymore. I am sure this applies to almost every neighborhood around. People are even being sneaky and parking on the street 4 or 5 houses down from where they are gathering.

This very true. Yesterday I was at No Frills, there was a family there Mom, Dad, and the 3 kids. Like you really need 5 people to pickup groceries. There is still people that don't understand what 6 feet is . Just stand on the dam dot on the floor, it's idiot proof.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jayrock on May 20, 2021, 07:01:49 PM
We have plans to go camping this weekend, being may long and all. But I have a feeling that after 4pm today, that those plans will not be happening.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 21, 2021, 02:13:46 AM
Love the one person from each family shopping rule.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on May 21, 2021, 03:50:07 AM
It is amazing to me that people can't even social distance and adhere to one way aisles and walkways in grocery stores and malls.  Such a simple thing to do yet so many people ignore the guidelines even though the aisles and walkways are clearly marked  >:( ::)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 21, 2021, 03:58:08 AM
It is amazing to me that people can't even social distance and adhere to one way aisles and walkways in grocery stores and malls.  Such a simple thing to do yet so many people ignore the guidelines even though the aisles and walkways are clearly marked  >:( ::)

Yes, it's pretty amazing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 21, 2021, 02:08:10 PM
We have plans to go camping this weekend, being may long and all. But I have a feeling that after 4pm today, that those plans will not be happening.

Luckily that's not the case.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jayrock on May 21, 2021, 02:28:47 PM
So glad we can go, and have fires....LOL. went out last night and set up with my boys, came in this morning to work. So not to bad of a start.
Still can not believe the new restrictions. SO week.....it should have been common sense from day one not to drag your kids to the store with you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 21, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
A fire mite cost you a couple of thousand $$ this weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 22, 2021, 12:54:51 AM
594 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, 420of those cases are in Winnipeg. The TPR is 16.1%, and there were 3 deaths.

Don't get a serious injury this weekend as the ICU is full.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 22, 2021, 05:06:48 PM
Well, got my second AZ dose with my wife this morning at the walk in vaccine clinic at Shoppers on Osborne.

They have adjusted the AZ second dose protocol to minimum 4 weeks, with a recommendation of 12 for "best efficacy".  It was developed with a 4 week spacing for doses, but to get more people the first dose, many regions adopted the 12-16 week standpoint.

I think that with doses about to expire, and AZ not being the most popular vaccine, they opened up second dosing early.  I was interested in getting a second dose of mRNA, just to get the reported hybrid vigour and to avoid having to wait 12 weeks as well, but I was ecstatic to get wind of this walk in, showed up just before 8 am and was 6th in line to get jabbed.  In and out in half an hour, including the 15 min post jab wait. 

My concern is that I work in retail, so my exposure is higher than average.  I'm not worried about myself getting it, especially after getting my first dose.  But the second dose give that extra protection of not getting it and taking it home to my immune suppressed daughter (who thankfully has her first dose of Moderna)

So, I am now "Two Shots Jeff"...

Hold it... maybe no... ;)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 22, 2021, 06:23:45 PM
476 new case of Covid in Manitoba today, with 360 new cases in Winnipeg. TPR is 16.8%, and we had 6 deaths. One of the deaths was a women in her 30's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 23, 2021, 06:09:33 PM
461 new case in Manitoba today, with 299 in Winnipeg, and 76 in the Southern Health Region. Winnipeg's TPR is 16.7% and we had one death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 23, 2021, 06:41:35 PM
Lots of talk about how many of the ICU patients are unvaccinated... or had been vaccinated but contracted the disease before efficacy started.

People need to get their shots.  I really don't get it...

I know people who have been eligible early, wither police, health care sector or indentifying indigenous, who have not gotten theirs yet.  I am not sorry to say I have encouraged strongly (OK, bullied) them all into getting appointments, and all will be jabbed withing the next week or so, but it stymies me why anyone who isn't a full on conspiracy nut anti-vaxxer wouldn't get their shot ASAP. 

Now I'm hearing people shopping for one vaccine over another... what the heck? 

Get a shot NOW.  It could be a difference between life and death, the latter coming thousands of miles away in another province with no one you know beside you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 23, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
As much as we would all like to see 100% vaccination, I would be very happy with 80/85%.

However, I believe people should take the vaccine they feel most comfortable with.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 05:34:17 PM
353 new Covid cases in Manitoba today, with Winnipeg having 269 of those cases.

We are now at 1033 deaths, 318 in hospital, 88 in ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 24, 2021, 06:01:06 PM
As much as we would all like to see 100% vaccination, I would be very happy with 80/85%.

However, I people believe should take the vaccine they feel most comfortable with.

No one shops around for which MMR vaccine they get for thier kids, no one shops around for which parvo/distemper vaccine they get for their dogs, this whole idea of shopping for which COVID vaccine you get is weird.  Its a vaccine.  It helps prevent infection and pretty much prevents bad outcomes (ICO visits/deaths).  Which one you are "comfortable" with is just a weird concept. 

Yes, they have different potential reactions, and are different in their action, but the outcome is the same, and the adverse reactions are so insignificant as to render them moot.  You are more at risk eating lettuce than getting a COVID vaccine. And don't leave the house, driving in a car is WAY more dangerous.  And stay away from the bathtub.

If you have the luxury of shopping around for which vaccine you want, knock yourself out.  But waiting to get the one you want is asking for trouble. 

Vaccine hesitancy is weird, I still don't get it.  How the conspiracy idiots managed to make vaccines and masks symbols of Marxism and loss of freedoms I will never understand. 

Watching things like the "Magnet challenge" sholld be enough to convince anyone that vaccine conspiracies are looney.  The concept that the vaccine contains a microchip that allows Bill Gates to track you, or change your sexual preference, or render you sterile or some other lunacy is just mind boggling.

Saw this interesting fact, though.  One of teh long term effects of surviving a COVID infection is erectile dysfunction.  So pFizer wins, either way..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 07:23:07 PM
You can rant all you want, but people have been given a choice and it's there right to pick which vaccine there comfortable with. As long as people are getting vaccinated it's a good thing.

Some of my wife's patients are at risk for blood clot's after surgery, so they decided to stay away from AZ.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 07:59:15 PM
Grandson's are finished school. My daughter received a letter today which said the boy's have completed all of the requirement needed to move on to there next level of education. Which is nice to see that the hard work they have put in has paid off with an extra 5 weeks holidays. School is out for summer. AC.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Garden Hill First Nations will hold there students back one year. Sad.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 10:02:21 PM
Last count 14 patients have been shipped out of Manitoba in to Ontario.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 24, 2021, 10:17:55 PM
Covid sniffing dogs? It's true, apparently fast and accurate.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 25, 2021, 03:15:16 PM
You can rant all you want, but people have been given a choice and it's there right to pick which vaccine there comfortable with. As long as people are getting vaccinated it's a good thing.

Some of my wife's patients are at risk for blood clot's after surgery, so they decided to stay away from AZ.

Not an issue with "vaccine selection" based on actual medical conditions... but delaying vaccine administration waiting for the latest trending popular one (celebrity X got Moderna, so that's the one I want" is the thing I worry about.  Or "J&J is one shot, so I am waiting until I can get that one" is another issue.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 25, 2021, 06:04:01 PM
259 New cases in Manitoba today, 187 in Winnipeg. 7 more deaths reported over the last two days. Winnipeg TPR 15.7%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on May 25, 2021, 06:31:22 PM
Get going downward Winnipeg ....... be responsible people & let's beat this **** storm of evil


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 26, 2021, 03:19:54 PM
Listening to CJOB today: People blaming the Government for the 3rd. wave. Really, blame the people that can't follow simple rules.

I was are No-Frill for my weekly shopping trip, still people come to the store in couples, or full family's.

My son was at HD Polo Park yesterday, same thing people coming to the store in couples, and 2 jackass's with no masks on in the paint department.

My buddies son, last week issued 16 tickets over a 3 day period to 15 gentlemen, and one female. The female had 15 gentlemen visit her home in a period of 3 days. And that's only while he was watching.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 26, 2021, 08:00:40 PM
Manitoba had 312 new case of Covid today, with 240 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 15%, and we had 1 death.

318 people in Hospital, 65 of those still are getting treatment but no longer are infected with Covid. 74 people in ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 26, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
Trending the right way of late, fingers crossed it continues.  Just through shear numbers of vaccines going out, it should start dropping, except in areas of vaccine hesitancy.  Still have to break through to those that either don't understand how to get a vaccine, or are having issues registering... we are going to need people in those communities to step up and help...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2021, 02:16:31 AM
Well my 2nd. shot is in, very simple and easy again. The RBC is a well oiled machine right now. Was nice to see all the 12-17's there today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: drahgon on May 27, 2021, 01:37:33 PM
Well my 2nd. shot is in, very simple and easy again. The RBC is a well oiled machine right now. Was nice to see all the 12-17's there today.

Sure is, went for my first shot this week and was in and out in less than 25 minutes including the 15 minute wait after you get the shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on May 27, 2021, 05:26:05 PM
Sure is, went for my first shot this week and was in and out in less than 25 minutes including the 15 minute wait after you get the shot.

Yep, had my first shot Tuesday. It was like an assembly line in there. I was expecting chaos but everyone was so pleasant and just happy to be part of the solution to get back to normal.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on May 30, 2021, 05:01:22 AM
I completely understand where you are coming from, I am a strong believer in vaccines and I myself have had two Moderna jabs. 

That said I did shop for MMR vaccines for my kids and had to take them to the USA. 

I understand different people have not had the jab for different reasons.  Some people cannot have certain ones or any because a medical condition and they follow the advice of their physician. 

I think some people are just scared.  The vaccines were developed quickly but they still had to go through trials and peer reviews. People are afraid of politicians which is probably healthy but they should listen to doctors, especially their own and scientists.  I must  say that the mRNA vaccines are like Star Wars and a game changer.  While new in mass distribution the organization I was with in the USA were researching these 25 or more years ago.  Ok so they concern you then take the old school vaccines like J&J, AstraZeneca etc.  We have been using similar vaccines fir 100 years of inserting dead or live virus to build immunity. There is really no excuse. 

Then there are some misguided religious types.

Then there are some that have the you are not the boss of me attitude.

Then there are the conspiracy people.

Then there are the internet researchers that never read studies or peer reviewed articles s, not that many would understand, but read some blog of some schmoe in Indiana who has the kernel of knowledge. 

We should be able to chose but with those choices come consequences.   Proof of vaccination will be real especially foe travel. For years in parts of Asia and Africa I have had to show proof, especially yellow fever.  World wide pandemic trumps yellow fever.  What if I am an employer and have a legal duty to protect employees and customers?

I fear we have more Margorie Taylor Greene?s in Canad? than I would like to admit. 

People should talk to their doctor.

 
Lots of talk about how many of the ICU patients are unvaccinated... or had been vaccinated but contracted the disease before efficacy started.

People need to get their shots.  I really don't get it...

I know people who have been eligible early, wither police, health care sector or indentifying indigenous, who have not gotten theirs yet.  I am not sorry to say I have encouraged strongly (OK, bullied) them all into getting appointments, and all will be jabbed withing the next week or so, but it stymies me why anyone who isn't a full on conspiracy nut anti-vaxxer wouldn't get their shot ASAP. 

Now I'm hearing people shopping for one vaccine over another... what the heck? 

Get a shot NOW.  It could be a difference between life and death, the latter coming thousands of miles away in another province with no one you know beside you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 31, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
It sounds like there are technical problem with the actual numbers for today.

303 new cases in Manitoba today, with 226 cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 13.7% and we had one death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 31, 2021, 04:50:23 PM
I had my second vaccination of Pfizer last week. Stiff shoulder for 1 day, slight headache for a couple of days. All in all feeling very good.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 01, 2021, 04:34:03 PM
232 new cases of covid today in Manitoba, with 168 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 13.5%, and 3 deaths. The ICU's are still full, and the nurses are talking about a strike.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bwiser on June 01, 2021, 05:46:08 PM
Got my second shot today. Its a great feeling. My brothers and my son had their second shots last week so we could be having a bit of a party in two weeks time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jayrock on June 01, 2021, 08:28:09 PM
not there yet on the second shot list. But my two oldest kids go next week for their first. They are pretty excited, as they want to be able to see their friends and play sports again. so they have been texting all their friends telling them to go get it..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 01, 2021, 10:27:40 PM
Now if we can only get people in Winkler and Morden to start getting shots.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 01, 2021, 10:30:38 PM
My brother has decided to wait till the 8th week to get his second Pfizer shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 02, 2021, 03:09:45 AM
We just got back from a walking our dog. Ran into my neighbors son who said his Mom was just fined for the 9th time and may be arrested.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GCn19 on June 02, 2021, 06:27:04 PM
People who are fully vaccinated should be allowed each others company without restriction. That might speed things along for people who are waffling or too lazy to go get vaccinated. The anti-vaxxers...you've made your choice, you can wait under restriction until the numbers drastically reduce.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 02, 2021, 07:04:14 PM
267 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 198 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 12.9% and we had 6 deaths.

I agree that people who have had there second shot should get a vaccination card and should be able to visit others who have also been totally vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 03, 2021, 05:28:24 PM
Vaccines are now going to community places. It's since been shown Pfizer is good for a few hours outside of cryo temps. My wife has her second dose booked for June 15 but just heard they will be at St Boniface hospital where she works tomorrow so will be able to just get it there. Awesome.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 07, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
169 new cases today in Manitoba, with 111 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 12.7 %, and we had 2 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 08, 2021, 06:36:10 PM
Signed up for my immunization card today. Very easy. Two shots, 14 day waiting period, and Bob's your Uncle. Not that going any place right now, but this is a nice thing to have in your pocket when CFL football starts up again, Quick trip to Grand Forks, or just visiting a relative in a nursing home. A little bit of freedom. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 08, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
237 new cases in Manitoba today, with 144 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 12.6% and we had 2 deaths. Still around 300 people in hospital, 65-70 in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 09, 2021, 09:15:13 PM
A teenage boy has died of Covid in Winnipeg, very sad to hear this news.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 10, 2021, 05:56:37 PM
Numbers are staying pretty steady. 251 new case today in Manitoba, with 142 in Winnipeg. TPR is 11.6% in Winnipeg and we had 6 more deaths. Delta has also arrived in Winnipeg.

On another note: Dropped into HD today to pickup building supplies for a cabin I purchased on the Bird River. Far to many people in the store, couples shopping together. I can see a 4th wave coming.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 10, 2021, 08:51:01 PM
Nurses have voted to strike. And it was by a overwhelming amount. 4 years without a contract.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 11, 2021, 03:39:42 AM
Well it's up to the people of Manitoba. 70% first dose, and 25% second dose, gets us open to 25%. 75% first dose and 50% second dose, gets us open 50%. 80% first dose, 75% second dose, gets us open 100%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on June 16, 2021, 01:47:06 AM
Ignoring science, especially medical science, is not generally a good path to follow. Not initially having vaccine and some guidelines for people to follow resulted in a global disaster.

Most people would not agree with you.  Just saying.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on June 16, 2021, 01:36:06 PM
Redz... You are wrong. Not sure where you're getting you info from, but it's wrong too. 3.8 Million people have died from Covid so far and more are dying every day.

Experts change their minds as more information becomes available. That's part of how science works. Politicians make decisions that aren't based on the science, but pretend it is. That's how politics works. Vaccines aren't an excuse, they are the cure to the pandemic. You and people like you are part of the problem. Don't get vaccinated and you won't be travelling anywhere outside of Canada and the US or going on a cruise. Catch Covid and you run the risk of being removed from the gene pool. Society is almost at the point where the Covidiots and Antivaxxers can get sick and not hurt anyone but themselves and I for one am OK with that.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 16, 2021, 02:33:42 PM
You should and you will know your own body instead of going along a long list of excuses delivered by the health experts.

Such a dangerously ignorant and misinformed comment.  I take it you don't go for annual check-ups.

What "excuses" are health experts making re: vaccines, BTW? The consensus is solid: vaccines work and save lives. The end.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 16, 2021, 05:28:03 PM
My head hurts


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 16, 2021, 05:58:39 PM
You probably got the Moderna vaccine.



The main problem is that I am not educated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 16, 2021, 06:13:56 PM
The main problem is that I am not educated.

You're probably not woke enough, either.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 16, 2021, 08:08:51 PM
The was 144 new cases of covid in Manitoba today, with 80 of them in Winnipeg. Our TPR is doing much better at 9.2%. But it's very sad to see we had 7 more deaths.

Thanks to everyone getting vaccinated we are getting there.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 17, 2021, 05:22:08 PM
183 new cases in Manitoba today, with 90 of those in Winnipeg. The TPR is 8.5% for Winnipeg, and we had one death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 18, 2021, 05:52:19 PM
189 new cases today in Manitoba. 87 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 8.3%, and we sadly had 4 more deaths, a female in her 30's was among those deaths.

Still to many people shopping in groups. Home Depot told my Nephew today that there aren't there to enforce the rules that's his job. He handed out 8 tickets in less than 1 hour, and is fining the store for exceeding there limit.

Still waiting for my Immunization Card.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 19, 2021, 08:36:29 PM
153 cases in Manitoba today. 61 of those are in Winnipeg, 33 in the North, and 32 in the South. Winnipeg's TPR is now 7.4%, but we had 3 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 20, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
93 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 42 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 7.2%, but we did have 6 more deaths.

I am not reading much into these numbers this weekend as many of the test sites have had very little traffic this weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 21, 2021, 06:34:47 PM
74 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 50 of those cases in Winnipeg. I death, and Winnipeg had a TPR of 6.9%.

I am not going to get to excited over this just yet, as some of the test sites in Winnipeg sent worker home on the weekend due to very low numbers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 21, 2021, 07:08:51 PM
We are coming off the third wave and I just became eligibly & booked my second dose today, getting jabbed Sunday evening. Starting to feel like we are coming into normal.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 21, 2021, 08:38:05 PM
Wow, that was quick. I know someone at the lake that was trying to book there 2nd. Pfizer last week and was told July 22 at RBC.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 21, 2021, 10:02:23 PM
We did it people of Manitoba. Over 70% with first shot, and over 25% with 2nd. shot, 10 days ahead of Canada Day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 22, 2021, 08:20:21 AM
A big kudo's to all those people that lined up all day and some camped out all night to get a Pfizer shot at the Shoppers Drug Mart on River and Osborne.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 22, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
Wow, that was quick. I know someone at the lake that was trying to book there 2nd. Pfizer last week and was told July 22 at RBC.



Yeah, the reason why I was able to get in so quick is because I'm going to get Moderna as my second shot (had Pfizer for dose #1). Last week it was announced that it's safe to use the mRNA vaccines interchangeably, which is fantastic. They have the same high efficacy, so who cares


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 22, 2021, 05:59:45 PM
66 new cases in Manitoba today, with 33 of them in Winnipeg. TPR is 6.6% in Winnipeg, and there was 4 deaths. One of the deaths was a male in his 20's. Keep it up people we are going in the right direction. Keep getting those shots.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 22, 2021, 10:18:40 PM
American vaccination program has stalled. Canada is killing the US in younger adults and teens getting vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on June 23, 2021, 12:55:15 PM
Yeah, the reason why I was able to get in so quick is because I'm going to get Moderna as my second shot (had Pfizer for dose #1). Last week it was announced that it's safe to use the mRNA vaccines interchangeably, which is fantastic. They have the same high efficacy, so who cares

I called the vaccine line after I read your post to see if I could get my appointment moved up if I switched to Moderna and it wasn't enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile changing. The agent also said that if I booked an appointment today the earliest I could get in would be July 23, regardless of Pfizer or Moderna. So, it looks like you lucked out Blue or Die. Good for you.

Any other noteworthy booking experiences people are having out there?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 23, 2021, 01:24:08 PM
I called the vaccine line after I read your post to see if I could get my appointment moved up if I switched to Moderna and it wasn't enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile changing. The agent also said that if I booked an appointment today the earliest I could get in would be July 23, regardless of Pfizer or Moderna. So, it looks like you lucked out Blue or Die. Good for you.

Any other noteworthy booking experiences people are having out there?

Aw man, sorry to hear! Yeah, sounds like I got really lucky  :-\

After I told a friend (Jesse on this forum actually) that I was able to book for Sunday he called and was able to switch his to Monday. Guess the floodgates really opened after that...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bluengold204 on June 23, 2021, 02:31:15 PM
I called the vaccine line after I read your post to see if I could get my appointment moved up if I switched to Moderna and it wasn't enough of an improvement to make it worthwhile changing. The agent also said that if I booked an appointment today the earliest I could get in would be July 23, regardless of Pfizer or Moderna. So, it looks like you lucked out Blue or Die. Good for you.

Any other noteworthy booking experiences people are having out there?

Friend of mine went online to book Pfizer at CC and got in the same day, must have been a cancellation at the same time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 23, 2021, 02:50:47 PM
Well our entire family is fully immunized so I am glad we don't have to worry about booking appointments anymore. My Grandson's school called my daughter to say they would like the kids fully immunized before school starts in September or they may have to do online learning.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 23, 2021, 06:21:39 PM
We had 123 new cases today in Manitoba, with 64 for cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR holds at 6.6%, and sadly we had 3 more deaths. So our cases just about doubled today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 24, 2021, 05:51:16 AM
Okay Bomber Fans, I am headed out on a week long fishing trip with my 2 Grandson's, I mite be to older for this, god help me. So someone else will have to keep this going. Keep getting those vaccinations. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 25, 2021, 09:36:41 PM
NEW Last updated: June 25, 2021

Public health officials advise one new death in a person with COVID-19 has been reported today:

a male in his 70s from Southern Health-Sante Sud linked to the B.1.1.7 (alpha) variant of concern.
The current five-day COVID-19 test positivity rate is 5.9 per cent provincially and 6.5 per cent in Winnipeg. As of 9:30 a.m. today, 85 new cases of the virus have been identified. However, one case has been removed due to data correction. This brings the net-new number of cases today to 84 and the total number of lab-confirmed cases in Manitoba to 55,777.

Today?s COVID-19 data shows:

10 cases in the Interlake-Eastern health region;
eight cases in the Northern health region;
five cases in the Prairie Mountain Health region;   
nine cases in the Southern Health-Sant? Sud health region; and   
53 cases in the Winnipeg health region.

GET YOU JABS CALL EVERYDAY TO TRY AND BUMP UP APPOINTMENTS


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 27, 2021, 04:56:20 PM
Sat 106

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-covid-19-update-1.6081716

Sun 97

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-covid-19-update-1.6082147


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 28, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
MON 61 NO DEATHS

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid19-manitoba-update-reopening-weekend-brent-roussin-1.6082738



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 29, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Got my vaccine card a while ago, ready and willing to be in the stands opening day, probably wearing a mask still.

Still don't understand why the CFLPA and CFL haven't made full vaccination mandatory for players. 

Winnipeg could start the train.  If it is mandatory for fans, why not for players?  There are morals clauses, substance clauses, this is a health concern, why can't there be a vaccine clause.  Playing in the CFL is not a right, it is a privilege.  If you want to play in the CFL, you have to CHOOSE to lead a moral life, you have to CHOOSE not to take banned substances, how is choosing to take a vaccine any different?   

For those that say "What if the player needs more data on whether vaccines are safe..."  well, 3 billion doses administered say HOW MUCH DATA IS ENOUGH?    If you can't get the picture that vaccines are safe and effective after 3 billion doses, and the fact that the USA is wide open due to vaccine, and other countries are still locked down, then you are too dumb to play on MY team. 

Sorry, its just a real sticking point for me.  How can you be a "team player" yet not take a little jab in the arm to protect your teammates and coaches?  Non vaccinated players are going to have to follow expensive and marginally effective protocols to prevent infection, and will probably still get infected with potentially tragic outcomes.

Do we want a player on the team that won't take two little jabs and might end up lost to us mid season due to COVID, or worse, as we enter the playoffs? 

The CFLPA needs to stop listening to the few very vocal antivaxxers, follow the science and look out for ALL the players.   We will not miss those few who refuse the vaccine, there are plenty that want their jobs. 

If that does not happen, I really hope that players realize that when it comes to cut day, and all other things being equal, if you have a player that is fully vaccinated and a player that is un-vaccinated and is going to require monitoring and protocols, they know that the vaccinated player is going to get the spot, right? 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 29, 2021, 05:09:02 PM
Agree ards, I'll have my card soon and I'll wear mask and shield likely while walking around

Tues 61 no deaths

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-19-update-manitoba-june-29-1.6084306


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 29, 2021, 05:20:55 PM
Got my second dose Sunday night (Moderna) and boy was I sick yesterday and still a bit today!

So glad that in 2 weeks I will get to maybe do a few more things to get back to normal life.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on June 29, 2021, 05:24:11 PM

The CFLPA needs to stop listening to the few very vocal antivaxxers, follow the science and look out for ALL the players.   We will not miss those few who refuse the vaccine, there are plenty that want their jobs.

Good stuff Aards ...... the above says it for me


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 29, 2021, 06:55:36 PM
Agree ards, I'll have my card soon and I'll wear mask and shield likely while walking around

Tues 61 no deaths

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-19-update-manitoba-june-29-1.6084306

Actually, there was one death, an MB patient in her 50' that had been sent to Ont May 28th.... but still awesome stats... we've dropped to the bottom of the top ten infection jurisdictions in Canada/US...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on June 29, 2021, 08:56:02 PM
Thanks and credit to pjrocksmb for keeping up the COVID stats during Pigskin's absence.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DCM on June 30, 2021, 02:15:05 AM
Still don't understand why the CFLPA and CFL haven't made full vaccination mandatory for players. 

Winnipeg could start the train.  If it is mandatory for fans, why not for players?  There are morals clauses, substance clauses, this is a health concern, why can't there be a vaccine clause.  Playing in the CFL is not a right, it is a privilege.  If you want to play in the CFL, you have to CHOOSE to lead a moral life, you have to CHOOSE not to take banned substances, how is choosing to take a vaccine any different?   

For those that say "What if the player needs more data on whether vaccines are safe..."  well, 3 billion doses administered say HOW MUCH DATA IS ENOUGH?    If you can't get the picture that vaccines are safe and effective after 3 billion doses, and the fact that the USA is wide open due to vaccine, and other countries are still locked down, then you are too dumb to play on MY team. 

Sorry, its just a real sticking point for me.  How can you be a "team player" yet not take a little jab in the arm to protect your teammates and coaches?  Non vaccinated players are going to have to follow expensive and marginally effective protocols to prevent infection, and will probably still get infected with potentially tragic outcomes.

Do we want a player on the team that won't take two little jabs and might end up lost to us mid season due to COVID, or worse, as we enter the playoffs? 

The CFLPA needs to stop listening to the few very vocal antivaxxers, follow the science and look out for ALL the players.   We will not miss those few who refuse the vaccine, there are plenty that want their jobs. 

If that does not happen, I really hope that players realize that when it comes to cut day, and all other things being equal, if you have a player that is fully vaccinated and a player that is un-vaccinated and is going to require monitoring and protocols, they know that the vaccinated player is going to get the spot, right? 
Vaccines aren't mandatory. They're mandatory to get into IG Field (Should be an easy legal challenge.) but they are in no way mandatory. If they were, we'd already be at 100% first and second shots then.

Vaccines have been in people's arms for how long? About 1/4th the actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe. So yeah, they're well within their rights to want to wait and see what, if any, kind of fall out could come. We're still in the early stages of proper testing. Just because someone hasn't gotten their shot because they don't feel safe doing so, doesn't make them an anti-vax and people need to grow up and quit trying to act like bullies.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2021, 03:19:15 PM
Vaccines aren't mandatory. They're mandatory to get into IG Field (Should be an easy legal challenge.) but they are in no way mandatory. If they were, we'd already be at 100% first and second shots then.

Vaccines have been in people's arms for how long? About 1/4th the actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe. So yeah, they're well within their rights to want to wait and see what, if any, kind of fall out could come. We're still in the early stages of proper testing. Just because someone hasn't gotten their shot because they don't feel safe doing so, doesn't make them an anti-vax and people need to grow up and quit trying to act like bullies.

OK, I'll take the bait.

Vaccine research is not what it was in the days when they developed the Polio vaccine, or measles, or mumps.  There was no computer modeling, no mass scale production, no 30,000 trial groups.  Saying there is an "actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe" exists is a lie.  Te time it takes is the time it takes, and it is based on factors that have been affected by scientific advances that are coming at an avalanche rate. 

Do we have data on long term effects of the vaccine?  Of course not, there is no way to speed up time.  But what do you expect/project as long term effects? 

Immediate effects are the main concern, and we have addressed all of those quite easily.  Certain vaccines (dozens) were failed due to either lack of efficacy or side effects.  Some of the approved vaccines were delayed/modified to mitigate infinitesimal levels of side effects, for instance AZ causing blood clots at a rate a fraction of what birth control pills do. 

Long term side effects of NOT taking the vaccine are widely known, to over 500k Americans and their families, over 26k in Canada.  That is NOT a debate.  COVID kills people.  Vaccines prevent COVID.

All the theories about magnets, 5G, tracking chips and the like are total crap, and I feel real sorry for anyone who had been convinced that those claims have any validity, because most likely, they will be fleeced of some or all of their money by groups using these lies to fundraise to fight "Big Pharma" or "Deep state" or the other imaginary bad guys out there trying to take away your "freedom"

Vaccines are not mandatory, but they are required for many activities, and rightfully so.  But should they be mandatory?  Lets think...

MMR is mandatory if you want to go to public school.  Why?  Because kids die when they aren't vaccinated.  I got MMR when I was a kid, there were no questions, there were no debates.  Until Gwyneth popularized the vaccine/autism myth that has since been thoroughly debunked, with the lead perpetrator of the lie having been caught falsifying data, this has put an undeserved hesitancy into trusting vaccines.

If you had an infection, you would have no qualms about accepting a prescription for antibiotics without worrying about "long term effects". 

If you had cancer, you would have no issue with them pumping actual poison into you to fight it, knowing that the long term effects of that are horrible.  No one would accept chemo if there was an alternative, if they could "just ride it out". 

COVID vaccines are safe, effective and save lives.  Compared to antibiotics (which are poisons that kill stuff in your body) or Chemo, the potential "long term effects" are statistically irrelevant. 

Vaccines are basically a training video for your immune system.  They are a crash course in teaching your body how to defend itself against COVID.  The vaccine does not fight COVID the way antibiotics or chemo fight disease.  Vaccines mount an immune response in your body, teaching it how to use the weapons it has to fight against an enemy it has never seen, before it attacks.

If there were actual concerns about "potential long term effects", we'd see the anti-vax crowd touting them, showing us scientific evidence, or at least theories, on why vaccines are a long term danger.  But, like every other vaccine before these, there are no long term effects. 

And the long term effect of NOT getting vaccinated?  Infection and potential death, even for young people without underlying conditions.  Its not just immune compromised seniors that are dying, look at the stats.  Healthy young people and kids are dying from it.

When everyone gets vaccinated, like with MMR and Polio, the disease gets wiped out.  But as long as there are pockets of un-vaccinated people out there, the disease survives, and can mutate, and make even the vaccinated vulnerable again. 

And THAT, my friend, scares the bejeebers out of me, and it should scare you as well.

I take the vaccine for my family, my staff, my customers, for employees of stores I shop in, for people providing personal services, for my fellow Bomber Fans in the stands, and for You. 

You're welcome.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 30, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
70 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 29 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 5.6%. We also had two deaths, a male in his 30's and a female in her 60's.

Received my immunization card in the mail, and the fishing was amazing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on June 30, 2021, 06:10:29 PM
Great post aards.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 30, 2021, 06:55:53 PM
70 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 29 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 5.6%. We also had two deaths, a male in his 30's and a female in her 60's.

Received my immunization card in the mail, and the fishing was amazing.

Male in his 30's a COVID death.  Wow.  How does this not scare people to run to the nearest vaccine walkin?

These cards are so cool... why can't they make our Health card like these?

Great post aards.

Thanks,  just wish more people could get this message, or that the Gov't was able to express this message this way... they are far too intent on cowtowing to the vaccine hesitant with the wrong placating messages.  People need to learn What vaccines do, How they do it, and Why they are safe. 



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on June 30, 2021, 07:43:24 PM
Great post aards.

Yup 100% agree, get your jab, like YESTERDAY

No reason to wait or hesitate unless have a strong medical based reason why, end of.
Vaccines aren't mandatory. They're mandatory to get into IG Field (Should be an easy legal challenge.) but they are in no way mandatory. If they were, we'd already be at 100% first and second shots then.

Vaccines have been in people's arms for how long? About 1/4th the actual time that most studies to ensure vaccines are safe. So yeah, they're well within their rights to want to wait and see what, if any, kind of fall out could come. We're still in the early stages of proper testing. Just because someone hasn't gotten their shot because they don't feel safe doing so, doesn't make them an anti-vax and people need to grow up and quit trying to act like bullies.

Disagree with all but yes don't bully.  Jabs for Covid way outway the risks.  The risk an unvaccinated person presents to society is greater than the long term unknown risks of the vaccine.  Vaccines will save your life, pretty simple.  I even took the risk of AZ and I don't regret it!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 30, 2021, 08:54:16 PM
I agree on the Immunization Cards. The the paper health has been long over due for a change.

It the same for our a MB fishing license, there still a piece of paper. Ontario a nice plastic card.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 01, 2021, 05:16:11 PM
Aards i don?t  have time to go though all that.  As I said before I have both doses of Moderna and think mRNA vaccines are a game changer. I have also said that when I was in the US they were working on mRNA vaccines 25-30 years ago. People that do not have vaccines fall into several groups: medically cannot have vaccine, some religious based objection, opposed to most or all vaccines (-aka anti vaxxers) and those who are hesitant usually based on safety reasons.  I don?t think you can lump them together. 

If players are required or not required to vaccinate, they can chose not to play.   It will be interesting to see what happens.

DCM I understand what you are saying about the mRNA vaccines (even though I disagree and realize there are no large scale long term studies).   But that does not explain the hesitancy to old school viral vector vaccines where they have old school inactive ingredients and virus in small dose to build immunity like so many other vaccines.  I dot understand the logical or science based hesitancy to these vaccines.  Any insight?

I don?t see banning people without a vaccine as an issue in that WBB have a duty to provide a safe work environment and safe place for customers/ fans.  It is a 100 year pandemic.  I think this and mask wearing especially given the rise of delta variant ( and perhaps others)  should hold in court. I guess we will see.

On a personal note I would want to see people wearing masks, vaccinated or not, until the positivity and hospitalizations are negligible.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 01, 2021, 10:42:03 PM
Aards i don?t  have time to go though all that.  As I said before I have both doses of Moderna and think mRNA vaccines are a game changer. I have also said that when I was in the US they were working on mRNA vaccines 25-30 years ago. People that do not have vaccines fall into several groups: medically cannot have vaccine, some religious based objection, opposed to most or all vaccines (-aka anti vaxxers) and those who are hesitant usually based on safety reasons.  I don?t think you can lump them together. 

If players are required or not required to vaccinate, they can chose not to play.   It will be interesting to see what happens.

DCM I understand what you are saying about the mRNA vaccines (even though I disagree and realize there are no large scale long term studies).   But that does not explain the hesitancy to old school viral vector vaccines where they have old school inactive ingredients and virus in small dose to build immunity like so many other vaccines.  I dot understand the logical or science based hesitancy to these vaccines.  Any insight?

I don?t see banning people without a vaccine as an issue in that WBB have a duty to provide a safe work environment and safe place for customers/ fans.  It is a 100 year pandemic.  I think this and mask wearing especially given the rise of delta variant ( and perhaps others)  should hold in court. I guess we will see.

On a personal note I would want to see people wearing masks, vaccinated or not, until the positivity and hospitalizations are negligible.

I would never lump all non-vaccinated people into one group...

Those medically unable to take a COVID vaccine should not be putting themselves in any risky situation, especially something like a football game, where they WILL be exposed, even if every other person is vaccinated.  Vaccines do not prevent infection, they provide your body the ability to fight off symptoms/results of infection, potentialy without you ever knowing you were infected.  But while you are infected, you can spread to others, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.  But other vaccinated people might never know they were infected by you either.

Religious objection?  Sorry, I have yet to see a valid one of those, based on a teaching or a scripture.  Sure, certain spiritual leaders have created anti vaccine rhetoric, but it is based on their own personal decree, not one of a faith or church.  No church or faith ever stopped anyone from a polio vaccine or an MMR vaccine.  This antimask, antivaccine stance is, in my opinion, a purely financial one, driving collections through the roof and whipping the faithful into a frenzy.  And they call the vaccinated "sheep".

AntiVaxxers, well, we know they are recent on the scene, and all their objections have been fully debunked, but that doesn't mean they have to like it, or believe truth.

As to those hesitant based on safety, 3 billion doses administers says its safe.  If you are worried about this from a safety standpoint, better stop eating lettuce, driving cars, taking baths... all are far more dangerous, but are done every day.  Vaccines are 2 shots for life.  Literally. 

There is no valid excuse for not taking a vaccine today.  They are safe, effective and through them, we are returning to normalcy.  I know we are never going to get to 100% compliance, but I hope we get over 85%. 

The last group mentioned, once FDA removes the "Emergency Authorization" and stamps the vaccines as "Approved", I hope that crowd comes on stream. 

Medical issues, I hope they find a vaccine that works for those. 

Religious objectors hopefully will get a divine guidance sooner than later, each COVID funeral they attend (or can't attend) should knock a bring out of that wall. 

Antivaxxers, Darwin will work on that group. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 02, 2021, 04:44:46 PM
Okay so we had 91 new cases yesterday, and 54 cases today. Over the two days we had 7 deaths. Today Winnipeg had 23 new cases and our TPR is 4.8%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on July 03, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
Sorry but this oandememic is nothing to scoff at.
Everybody everywhere should be vaccinated. Period.
I respect freedom of choice, but when you endanger others it's unconstitutional .

Especially when this involves just personal preferences..
People with medical,complications would have to be set up in a special section if at all let in.

This is a weird time.  Now with a new variation, could we be looking at this all over again?
I think it is horrible to segregate people, for any reason. However, if it means keeping the majority safe, what else can be done.

Manitoba handled the needles poorly.  But recovered speedily, sort of.  However, loosing folks to co-vis should never happen.  Drs. Develop a way!

It's awesome our provincial health care workers were/are so organized and efficient, as well as the people working the distribution centers.  RBC staff made me feel special, so well organized.  I moved from station to station, and hardly stood still for three seconds..  Kudos to them.  Also everyone I was near was cheerful, concerned a but, but seemingly happy to get the shot..

Hence I can't see hesitancy by the population to get this done..

We should all find some dollars and support our local restaurants..

Go Blue


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
Okay so we had 91 new cases yesterday, and 54 cases today. Over the two days we had 7 deaths. Today Winnipeg had 23 new cases and our TPR is 4.8%.

Staying under 100 cases/day, and under 5% TPR, awesome numbers.  Worrisome, though is 7 deaths... I get that these are a lot of older infections / long haulers, but still.  Have to wonder how many of these are variants, and if even thoguh we see case drop, we start seeing deaths climb. due to the variants being more lethal.  If this doesn't start scaring people into getting a vaccine, what will?

On that again, I went to the Emerg not long ago for a puncture would suffered while doing construction, and they checked my records, and found i hadn't had a tetanus update in years, so they gave me that shot.  No discussion of who manufactured it, what its efficacy was, what the side effects may be, just "Here's the shot, you need it".   And I don't think there would be 1% of the population that would refuse that shot.

If someone gets bitten by a raccoon, or a stray dog, or a squirrel, they get a rabies shot.  Yes, there are side effects (Soreness, redness, swelling, or itching at the site of the injection, and headache, nausea, abdominal pain, muscle aches, or dizziness can happen after rabies vaccine. Hives, pain in the joints, or fever sometimes happen after booster doses) but there is no question, no debate, you get the shot.  Why?  Because IF you get rabies, you can die, or suffer long term effects.  And I don't think there would be 1% of the population that would question / refuse that shot.

Why do we have a reluctance for COVID vaccine?  What is fueling the hesitancy?  It is misinformation targeting vulnerable groups (not medically vulnerable, but psychologically vulnerable), many of whom will fundraise off the situation, raising money that they will keep, or use to further the lies, and raise more money...  life has always been a "follow the money" situation to seek out the real truth, people who spread truth aren't looking for your donations in the aggressive ways people who spread lies do.  So, if the "news" article you are using for your information includes a place to send your money to to help "Spread the Truth", I'd suspect the source...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 03, 2021, 05:13:34 PM
Freedom of choice comes with accepting the results of your choices. For example: If you choose not to get vaccinated, then you have to accept that you aren't going to be allowed to travel or go to large events.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 03, 2021, 05:15:14 PM
Bartley Kives@bkives

Manitoba announced 48 new cases of #COVID19 and one more death on Saturday, July 3, 2021.
 
Active cases: 1,008
Total caseload: 56,353
Recovered: 54,197
Deaths: 1,148

Manitoba #COVID19 patients: 158 (down 5)
 
In Manitoba hospitals: 152 (down 5)
 
Total COVID MB patients in ICU: 47 (down 2)
 
In Manitoba ICU: 41 (down 2)
 
Out of province ICU: 6 (unchanged)

Bottom line: If immunizations turn even the worst variants of concern - delta and now lambda - into less lethal illnesses, things bode well for Canada.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 03, 2021, 06:17:17 PM
48 cases today in Manitoba, with 31 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is up slightly to 5.4 %. We also had one more death.

Not a lot of testing in Winnipeg since July 1. My wife was at one test locations yesterday and they had a grand total of 11 people come by for testing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 04, 2021, 05:27:30 PM
The Province has not released there numbers for today, but Dashboard is reporting 64 new cases in Manitoba, with 2 deaths, and a TPR of 6%. 29 of these cases are in Winnipeg.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 05, 2021, 01:18:36 PM
Continuing low numbers, and high vaccine numbers.  All of my staff have one shot, only 2 haven't had their second yet (oddly, the two who had early eligibility... almost wonder if telling people they can't have the vaccine would make them desire it more...).

Team Manitoba is friing on all cylinders in the vaccine uptake, save for those few pockets of resistance. 

There are starting to be calls for places that have reached "herd immunity" to ignore their remaining unvacinated and start donating their remaining vaccine to the rest of the world, where some areas have less than 2% vaccinated.  I agree with the sentiment, but disagree with the capability for change through this initiative. 

Areas of the world where "herd immunity" has been reached cannot stop and say "mission accomplished".  That is far from true, as we see in our local numbers still posting cases and deaths.  We need as close to 100% coverage as we can.  We have seen what measles can do, and other deadly diseases that we have all but eradicated until they re-appear.   Diverting the few hundred thousand doses we still need to administer to the third world is like putting a cork in an dam break.  The vaccine production effort has to continue to expand, and while we should be sharing, we have to take care of our own first.  Like the safety video on the plane says, put your mask on first, and then assist others who may need assistance. 

As vaccine uptake slows though compliance, but availability continues to surge, yes, we can get needed vaccines to the world's health care workers and vulnerable populations.  Hopefully Biden's DPA push to have the one and done J&J shot manufactured not just by J&J, but also by rival pharma firm erck, will help in this.   I don't think Merck is onstream yet with production, but hopefully they can get rolling and make a difference globally...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 05, 2021, 02:28:29 PM
Looks like BC just lifted its indoor mask mandate, without proof of vaccination.  Why?  Who were masks hurting?  This is just asking for trouble, especially with the variants and anti-vaxxers unleashed now, exposing other and themselves to risk.  What does not make sense to me is they lifted the mask mandate, but have left occupancy level restrictions in place.  If its safe to be without a mask, its safe to go back to 100%.  If they are trying to help out businesses, I think those businesses would have preffered leaving the mask mandate in place, but opening to 100%... makes more sense, and probably safer.

Sure hope we do not follow suit anytime soon...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 05, 2021, 04:52:42 PM
65 new cases in Manitoba today, with 35 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is up again at 6.1% and we had one death.

Considering the beating MB Government took early on about our vaccine roll out, we are sure looking good now.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bluengold204 on July 05, 2021, 09:13:25 PM
65 new cases in Manitoba today, with 35 of them in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is up again at 6.1% and we had one death.

Considering the beating MB Government took early on about our vaccine roll out, we are sure looking good now.

I wouldn?t count your chickens before they hatch.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 02:22:21 AM
75% with there first dose, over 50% with there second.

80% first does, 75% second would be very nice before kick off on August 5.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 04:57:13 PM
36 new cases in Manitoba today, with 24 of them in Winnipeg. TPR dropped slightly to 5'7%. We also had 1 death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 06, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
75% with there first dose, over 50% with there second.

80% first does, 75% second would be very nice before kick off on August 5.

We beat the target by almost a month (75/50 for Aug 1 I believe was the goal). If the relatively slow uptake of first doses keeps up its pace by getting it to the community level, combined with a fast second dose rate, we might be able to get close to 80% with both doses by the beginning of August. Certainly by or before September long weekend. Wouldn't that be something..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 06, 2021, 07:18:43 PM
We beat the target by almost a month (75/50 for Aug 1 I believe was the goal). If the relatively slow uptake of first doses keeps up its pace by getting it to the community level, combined with a fast second dose rate, we might be able to get close to 80% with both doses by the beginning of August. Certainly by or before September long weekend. Wouldn't that be something..

Yes it would!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 06, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
36 cases... wow.  Still expect a blip post Canada Day weekend... I can see getting back into triple digits a week from now... but in the meantime, awesomesauce. 

Have to watch the hospitalizations and deaths, though.  These variants are scary.

Seeing many players posting from "quarantine", still not sure what the protocols are, for fully vaxxed, partly vaxxed, unvaxxed...

Anyone have the link?



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
I can't see us Manitoba getting more then 85% fully vaccinated before the end of the year. Still far to many non-believes. It's going to take awhile to get some people on board. Then there's the attitude that if everyone else is vaccinated, why would I have to. I met one today that said she will sue any and everyone that discriminates against her because she refuses to get vaccinated. She mite be spending a lot of time and money in court.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 06, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
I can't see us Manitoba getting more then 85% fully vaccinated before the end of the year. Still far to many non-believes. It's going to take awhile to get some people on board. Then there's the attitude that if everyone else is vaccinated, why would I have to. I met one today that said she will sue any and everyone that discriminates against her because she refuses to get vaccinated. She mite be spending a lot of time and money in court.

"Herd immunity" for the original COVID 19 (alpha) was supposed to be 70-75% vaccinated... with the variants, it could be much higher...

As to suing people for requiring vaccination for any activity, that would be like a kid suing a carnival for not letting him ride a ride because he isn't "this tall", or being refused service in a fancy restaurant because you are barefoot, or not renting you a car because you don't have a credit card.  Any business is allowed to place reasonable limitations on its potential customers.  You can boycott that business, but good luck suing them. 



On another note, we hit 100% first shots for our staff, and are 2 away from 100% 2 shots... so I gave all my staff a one shift extra pay bonus on this paycheck...  Thrive Pet Food Market is proud to be part of Team Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2021, 10:01:20 PM
"Herd immunity" for the original COVID 19 (alpha) was supposed to be 70-75% vaccinated... with the variants, it could be much higher...

As to suing people for requiring vaccination for any activity, that would be like a kid suing a carnival for not letting him ride a ride because he isn't "this tall", or being refused service in a fancy restaurant because you are barefoot, or not renting you a car because you don't have a credit card.  Any business is allowed to place reasonable limitations on its potential customers.  You can boycott that business, but good luck suing them. 



On another note, we hit 100% first shots for our staff, and are 2 away from 100% 2 shots... so I gave all my staff a one shift extra pay bonus on this paycheck...  Thrive Pet Food Market is proud to be part of Team Manitoba.


Nice. Like it. Employee's are important.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 06, 2021, 11:07:42 PM

Nice. Like it. Employee's are important.

Agree well done. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 07, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
I can't see us Manitoba getting more then 85% fully vaccinated before the end of the year. Still far to many non-believes. It's going to take awhile to get some people on board. Then there's the attitude that if everyone else is vaccinated, why would I have to. I met one today that said she will sue any and everyone that discriminates against her because she refuses to get vaccinated. She mite be spending a lot of time and money in court.

She sounds like a real covidiot and has no actual clue what discrimination is. It'll be fun watching her and others like her waste their time and money on futile legal battles simply because they choose to be misinformed and selfish.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 07, 2021, 02:52:44 PM
Took my two great nieces, and my 71 year old Aunt Elma to the RBC today.

The twin 2nd. shot, Elma's 1st. Elma is a non-believer, but Elma got left out of a small family gathering and saw the light.

9 am app. In the car and out of the parking lot by 9:15. Very smooth well oiled machine.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 07, 2021, 03:27:35 PM
On another note, we hit 100% first shots for our staff, and are 2 away from 100% 2 shots... so I gave all my staff a one shift extra pay bonus on this paycheck...  Thrive Pet Food Market is proud to be part of Team Manitoba.

Great job aardvark


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 07, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
71 new cases in Manitoba today, with 32 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 5.5%, and we had two deaths. Both male, one in his 30's the other in his 50's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 08, 2021, 05:38:22 PM
86 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, 39 of those cases are in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 5.2%, and we had 2 more deaths.

Cases are going up the last few days.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 13, 2021, 05:50:52 PM
25 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 13 of those cases are in Winnipeg. The TPR is 4% in Winnipeg, and we had 1 death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 14, 2021, 06:55:38 PM
53 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 31 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 3.8%, and we had no deaths.

With all the hard work we put in the Bombers will be able to have 100% fans in the stands if your fully vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 14, 2021, 09:35:42 PM
The deregulations are going to cause a spike, for sure.  I can see numbers soaring back into the hundreds per day.  Possibly just in time to put a kibosh on Aug 5th...

I really, really hope I am wrong, but we still don't have enough vaccine coverage to warrant this level of opening. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 15, 2021, 01:00:46 AM
I was able to change my appointment for TOMORROW!!

So I should be good to go as I will just show the QR code (chances are I still won't have the actual card as there are delays there).

Good for you.  Glad to have you there.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sec223 on July 15, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
When my second appointment was booked it was too late for an event I wanted to attend. I called every day and moved up a few days each time. Ended up 3 weeks earlier than my original appointment. It can be done and more options if you can go outside the city. I went to Selkirk. Come on people let's sell out the joint !!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 15, 2021, 02:14:50 PM
When the US loosened there restrictions, people stopped getting vaccinated. Now covid cases in the US are going up again. I hope that's not going to happen here in Canada. Keep getting those shots.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on July 15, 2021, 03:03:03 PM
I'm going......early.
You'll have to present 3 items to get in, your ticket, vax card, and photo ID so it should take longer than past years.

Can you present the app instead of the physical card?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Marni on July 15, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
Can you present the app instead of the physical card?

Either one is acceptable


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on July 15, 2021, 03:33:09 PM
Either one is acceptable

Awesome!!!!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 15, 2021, 05:10:58 PM
42 new cases in Manitoba today, with 18 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 3.1% and we had 1 death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 15, 2021, 05:45:01 PM
There are over 100 million in the US unvaccinated.  No where near even the most optimistic levels needed for herd immunity (or herd mentality in many of the right's vernacular.

The US has scads of vaccine, who'd development and production is lauded by the right as a great acheivement, yet for some reason, those same pundits that remind us we wouldn't have these vaccines (which most of them have taken) were it not for their efforts, yet they applaud the fact that "Biden missed his target" for vaccinations, and cheer on those that are expressing thier freedom by not getting vaccinated. 

It is totally bewildering that they recognize that vaccines are necessary to beating this virus, but refuse to take them.  That they believe they are in the majority, yet somehow don't understand that herd immunity does not protect unvaccinated majorities, it only protects small amounts, spread out evenly through the population.   These red states that have 30% or less vaccination rate, and are fully open AND have Delta as the number one variant are going to fare worse than New York or California ever did.

Thankful Manitoba did not touch masks yet,  and have left many guards in place, as well as incentivized vaccinations with freedoms.  I really hope the get the card situation remedied fast, I had a customer in the other day that has no smartphone, he needs a physical card.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 15, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
Either one is acceptable
Hi Marnie!

I understand you get the online proof immediately with card to follow.. correct?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 15, 2021, 05:52:08 PM
Hi Marnie!

I understand you get the online proof immediately with card to follow.. correct?

Yes. I hit my 2 week mark this past Sunday and on Monday applied for the card. Got the digital version instantly and the physical card will come sometime in the future (apparently there's a bit of a backlog currently).


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 15, 2021, 06:05:06 PM
Physical cards are short of card stock inventory, haven't heard of a production date.  But APPs work just fine.

With over 500k Manitobans currently double vaccinated, there should be no issue finding 33k wanting to get into the IGF with fellow vaccinated people. 

Word of caution, full vaccinated people can get / carry / spread COVID.  Most have little to no symptoms or issues.  But they can transmit it to you even if you are fully covered, and you can take it home to unvaccinated people at home / work.  So just because you got your two jabs doesn't mean you are free to lick handrails and drink backwash without concern.

We can celebrate this day with vigor AND caution.  The last thing we need is for Game one to become a superspreader event and close down the stadiums for future events.

The numbers are heading in a awesome direction, and barring catastrophe we should head into fall in great shape.

My new concern is for the players.  We've heard occasional mentions of quarantine, and one player with a protocol situation (not sure if that was due to a positive test, a refused test, or just quarantine), but we have not been told who is double vaxxed, who are still getting vaxxed, who are refusing vax... I am hoping the majority of the players are double vaxxed, as well as the entire staff and coaches.   If they are, maybe a team picture of them all holding up 2 fingers would be a dynamite promo...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: wpg#1 on July 15, 2021, 07:54:02 PM
I was able to change my appointment for TOMORROW!!

So I should be good to go as I will just show the QR code (chances are I still won't have the actual card as there are delays there).

Fantastic News, see you on the 5th !!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Marni on July 15, 2021, 08:52:30 PM
Hi Marnie!

I understand you get the online proof immediately with card to follow.. correct?

The minute your 14 days is up, you get your QR code

https://govmbcitizen.b2clogin.com/govmbcitizen.onmicrosoft.com/b2c_1_signupsignin/oauth2/v2.0/authorize?client_id=32e266ae-3fc8-479c-8eb7-0c0e4b617071&scope=https%3A%2F%2Fgovmbcitizen.onmicrosoft.com%2Fapi%2FAPI.Access%20openid%20profile%20offline_access&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fimmunizationcard.manitoba.ca%2F&client-request-id=06c11379-fa8c-49e0-8d6e-323c0d1c0769&response_mode=fragment&response_type=code&x-client-SKU=msal.js.browser&x-client-VER=2.13.1&x-client-OS=&x-client-CPU=&client_info=1&code_challenge=p3BmsBuqubuDPSwK-6jPxpCZwYczqs-xPk7LOGlQUEM&code_challenge_method=S256&login_hint=mmcramer%40mts.net&nonce=932c7bd6-6d32-4e07-ab57-eea35f3df374&state=eyJpZCI6ImY2MTZjYTgzLTBjNTctNDQ0OS1hMzhlLWQzMWFmZjdjYmU0MiIsIm1ldGEiOnsiaW50ZXJhY3Rpb25UeXBlIjoicmVkaXJlY3QifX0%3D&ui_locales=en


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: NewBlue on July 15, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
If half the population is vaxed, you should expect about half the amount of people that will attend - if that.

Not sure why people assume we'll be selling out games, maybe the opener as its gonna be the 1st game in forever, but after that I think only Banjo and any playoff game will be sold out.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: NewBlue on July 15, 2021, 10:45:40 PM
Masks are only mandatory when inside places like the store, bathrooms etc

I don't want to start any kind of arguement or anything (I'm fully vaxxed). But why have masks mandatory in the store/bathroom if you don't have to wear one with many people right next to you yelling?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Big Daddy on July 15, 2021, 11:21:27 PM
I don't want to start any kind of arguement or anything (I'm fully vaxxed). But why have masks mandatory in the store/bathroom if you don't have to wear one with many people right next to you yelling?

I'm assuming this is only because restrictions still require masks for indoor public events.  Going to Costco you still have to wear a mask.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Big Daddy on July 15, 2021, 11:24:01 PM
If half the population is vaxed, you should expect about half the amount of people that will attend - if that.

Not sure why people assume we'll be selling out games, maybe the opener as its gonna be the 1st game in forever, but after that I think only Banjo and any playoff game will be sold out.

I've really been uncertain about this.  I don't think it's as simple as only half the population so far will have access, so expect half the crowd.  I do think there will be people showing up since no one has been @le to be in a crowd or any sort of event for so long.  And I think this will carry forward beyond just the first game.

But will it be a sellout?  I sure hope so, but I don't think it will be.

Hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bwiser on July 15, 2021, 11:34:54 PM
Well..I will only know the day of August 5!

My second shot is July 22 which is exactly 2 weeks from August 5.

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Some people say that you got their QR code 14 days (counting the day of the second shot as Day 1) and others said counting the day of their second shot as Day 1 they had to wait 15 days.
There is pop in vaccination centers where you don't need an appointment right now. My local Sobeys has had one all week. If you go this week you will get into the Bomber game for sure.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bwiser on July 15, 2021, 11:37:41 PM
NOT ME. I?ll miss the Grey Cup stuff which is super disappointing!! 25 years STH and can not celebrate first GC while a STH. I am beyond disappointed.

I?ll be 4 days away from being able to apply for the card.

I won?t have my card by then. I?m upset!
Just go get your second shot this week. The Sobeys on Dakota had a drop in vaccination spot with no appointment. The Shoppers Drug Mart on Osbourne has a pop in clinic this Saturday. Get your shot now and you are in.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on July 15, 2021, 11:50:42 PM
Just go get your second shot this week. The Sobeys on Dakota had a drop in vaccination spot with no appointment. The Shoppers Drug Mart on Osbourne has a pop in clinic this Saturday. Get your shot now and you are in.

Depends how long ago he got the 1st shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 16, 2021, 01:35:49 AM
Just go get your second shot this week. The Sobeys on Dakota had a drop in vaccination spot with no appointment. The Shoppers Drug Mart on Osbourne has a pop in clinic this Saturday. Get your shot now and you are in.
Not an option for me as I have other medication infusions that need to be properly scheduled with in a day of vaccinated. It is not worth the risk to me!

Pity but not the end of the world. Goldie will be there for game 2.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 16, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
37 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 15 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg TPR is 2.7%.

We are currently averaging about 15,000 does per day. The last numbers we received is 77.2% 1st. dose, 60.4% with there 2nd. dose.

Would nice to see 80/75 by August 5.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 16, 2021, 06:09:18 PM
37 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 15 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg TPR is 2.7%.

We are currently averaging about 15,000 does per day. The last numbers we received is 77.2% 1st. dose, 60.4% with there 2nd. dose.

Would nice to see 80/75 by August 5.

If we did it by August long, that would put us exactly a month ahead of schedule in the reopening plan. Going from 77% to 80%+ is going to be tough and highly incremental, though, unfortunately. I read in the paper today they're going to campgrounds with the vax to make it as convenient as possible at the community level, even if you're out camping and on vacation. Great outreach efforts.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 16, 2021, 06:59:09 PM
Time will only tell. With 20 days and only 2.8% left to go, I can see Manitoba getting it done.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 16, 2021, 07:16:20 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 16, 2021, 07:42:19 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.
You need certain vaccinations to fly to specific countries. You need certain vaccinations to go to school. This is just another vaccination that you need. They should call it a vaccination card instead of a passport to make it clearer to the ill informed.

That being said, it's your right not to go places that tell you you have to be vaccinated. I guess you won't be travelling or going to major events for a long while.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on July 16, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.

Sorry to hear that. I understand where you're coming from, I'm not entirely comfortable with it either, but I am going to participate nevertheless. I am doubled too, and I would have been Ok with it wide open. That's just me though and I also realize it may not the best way for Manitoba. This is the route Manitoba has chosen to go, putting protection of the health care system first and foremost and trying to get the economy returned at the same time. I understand and accept that as well. It's one of those things where no matter what you do, there are negative consequences to consider. The problem is there is too many people who are eligible to get vaxxed who have chosen not to.

I do think there's a good chance you will be able to come back as this will not last long if cases stay low. Confidence will rise quickly.

By the way, what do you think should have been done?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on July 16, 2021, 09:07:55 PM
There is pop in vaccination centers where you don't need an appointment right now. My local Sobeys has had one all week. If you go this week you will get into the Bomber game for sure.

All good! Changed the date to yesterday!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 17, 2021, 03:35:48 AM
Our whole family is vaccinated and have our cards. With that said my daughter is still contemplating whether or not her sons will attend the game. I know if they go she will want them to wear there masks at all times.

I am a big supporter of the vaccination card and the benefits you receive for being responsible and getting fully vaccinated. Most people will come around if they want to attend big events, or go to movies, or even travel before the end of the year.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on July 17, 2021, 12:33:08 PM
I have given up my season ticket because I will not participate in any event that requires vaccine passports. It's a dangerous precedent. It's against the charter of rights and freedoms and the right to privacy and it discriminates against people who cannot or should not get the vaccines for medical reasons. It creates a two tier society. It's intended to coerce people into making a medical decision that should be made based only upon their own health information which is private.

I have both doses FYI.

I have been a season ticket holder for more than 10 years.

This breaks my heart but getting to see the Bombers is not worth being part of a tech-medical dystopia where you have to "show your papers" to have rights.

Unfortunately it seems I am very alone in thinking this.

Enjoy the season folks.

Seems like a misplaced boycott. The government sets the rules. The Bombers, just like movie theaters, museums and all the rest are following as best they can while trying to survive.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: wpg#1 on July 17, 2021, 06:47:41 PM
Seems like a misplaced boycott. The government sets the rules. The Bombers, just like movie theaters, museums and all the rest are following as best they can while trying to survive.
I agree. The organizations are only following the rules. They?re forced to do the things they?re doing.
Punishing the Bombers for following rules seems strange to me!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:18:02 PM
You need certain vaccinations to fly to specific countries. You need certain vaccinations to go to school. This is just another vaccination that you need. They should call it a vaccination card instead of a passport to make it clearer to the ill informed.

That being said, it's your right not to go places that tell you you have to be vaccinated. I guess you won't be travelling or going to major events for a long while.

The difference in this case is between those who are citizens of a country and those who are not. To gain entry to a county as a non-citizen you can be asked to do many things including have vaccinations. However, this is only if you are NOT A CITIZEN OF THAT COUNTRY.
The entire idea of citizenship is that if confers rights. All citizens have equal rights.

Its disappointing that people dont' understand this and think that going to a restaurant, museum or stadium is somehow the same as attempting to enter a country in which you are not a citizen. They are completely different things


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:20:05 PM
Sorry to hear that. I understand where you're coming from, I'm not entirely comfortable with it either, but I am going to participate nevertheless. I am doubled too, and I would have been Ok with it wide open. That's just me though and I also realize it may not the best way for Manitoba. This is the route Manitoba has chosen to go, putting protection of the health care system first and foremost and trying to get the economy returned at the same time. I understand and accept that as well. It's one of those things where no matter what you do, there are negative consequences to consider. The problem is there is too many people who are eligible to get vaxxed who have chosen not to.

I do think there's a good chance you will be able to come back as this will not last long if cases stay low. Confidence will rise quickly.

By the way, what do you think should have been done?

WE should have done what every other province except Quebec did. Reject vaccine passports as unconstitutional, divisive and pointless (If I'm vaccinated I have nothing to fear from someone who is not)

As for the "protect the health care system". I don't see how this possibly applies since multiple other durisdictions have had full events for both vaccinated and non-vaccinated and they have not led to increases in cases when the population is vaccinated. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:22:24 PM
Seems like a misplaced boycott. The government sets the rules. The Bombers, just like movie theaters, museums and all the rest are following as best they can while trying to survive.

I'm just following the rules is never a good defence of anything.

During segregation, busses, movie theatres etc. were 'just following the rules' when they didn't allow black people to attend. Were their actions right and moral? Do they not deserve any share of the blame?

(Notice I am in no way comparing these two examples of discrimination but just demonstrating that saying, "I'm just following the law" is not an excuse)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:23:30 PM
Our whole family is vaccinated and have our cards. With that said my daughter is still contemplating whether or not her sons will attend the game. I know if they go she will want them to wear there masks at all times.

I am a big supporter of the vaccination card and the benefits you receive for being responsible and getting fully vaccinated. Most people will come around if they want to attend big events, or go to movies, or even travel before the end of the year.

THis is like saying, "I'm a big supporter of excluding people who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons or choose to make a different decisions for their personal health than I do being treated as  second class citizens"
Please don't be a big supporter of discrimination.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 03:26:38 PM
I agree. The organizations are only following the rules. They?re forced to do the things they?re doing.
Punishing the Bombers for following rules seems strange to me!


Yes we're so desparate to have our lives and livelihoods back that we're willing to turn a blind eye to a very scary system of institutionalized discrimination and mass surveilance that could easily be converted into something akin to the Communist Chinese social credit system.  I totally understand that. I also understand that at these moments if people who think that this is a dangerous precedent need to speak out or next thing you know it will be something YOU decided to do or not do that gets you excluded from going to see the Bombers. If you don't stand up for someone else's rights who do you expect will stand up for yours?

And if you think I'm being over dramatic google "China social credit" so see what your future holds when we go down the road of "show your papers sir"...Imagine not being about to rent a car because you played too many video games. THat's a real thing in China.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 18, 2021, 03:59:41 PM
Hey Newbie (BlueGold8597), vaccinated people have rights also, a right to be protected from the unvaccinated. Just because you are double vaccinated does not mean you are immune from contracting Covid. So if you do not wish to get vaccinated that is your right, but don't say the unvaccinated have rights because the the rights of the larger population take precedent over the the rights of the few. In this unpredictable time with Covid there are rules, if you don't agree then stay home and get off your soap box and stop preaching your nonsense for those of us who choose to follow the rules and attend the Bomber games.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 04:55:18 PM
Hey Newbie (BlueGold8597), vaccinated people have rights also, a right to be protected from the unvaccinated. Just because you are double vaccinated does not mean you are immune from contracting Covid. So if you do not wish to get vaccinated that is your right, but don't say the unvaccinated have rights because the the rights of the larger population take precedent over the the rights of the few. In this unpredictable time with Covid there are rules, if you don't agree then stay home and get off your soap box and stop preaching your nonsense for those of us who choose to follow the rules and attend the Bomber games.

Sadly the personal attack, vitriol etc. on display here is indicative of a society in which we are being encouraged to turn on each other.

You obviously didn't read that I am fully vaccinated.  I also suggested that I personally am opposed to following rules that infringe on human rights and will not do so. Unfortunately I don't' think there are others like me who like me...if this board is any indication.

Also if being double vaccinated doesn't make you immune then why do we have these rules in the first place?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 04:57:03 PM
While you argue about your individual liberties people are literally dying at home unable to have the surgery they need while recovery beds are full of "I don't trust needles" people. Think about that and pray it's not someone you know.

3.63 billion doses have been administered globally as of today.

This is not actually the situation. There are not people dying at home because people don't "trust needles". I'm not sure what you are even referring to.

Unfortunately our health system in Manitoba, unlike virtually anywhere else in the world was not able to deal very well with this crisis. I suggest if you are concerned about this you direct your political advocacy in this direction.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 18, 2021, 05:26:17 PM
This is not actually the situation. There are not people dying at home because people don't "trust needles". I'm not sure what you are even referring to.

Unfortunately our health system in Manitoba, unlike virtually anywhere else in the world was not able to deal very well with this crisis. I suggest if you are concerned about this you direct your political advocacy in this direction.

This thread has been Hijacked, all of these comments should be in the Covid selection.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on July 18, 2021, 05:31:31 PM
This tread has been Hijacked, all of these comments should be in the Covid selection.

Agreed. At this rate it?ll be locked by the end of the day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 18, 2021, 05:36:25 PM
Agreed. At this rate it?ll be locked by the end of the day.

I reported it to the Mod. they clean this stuff up pretty quick.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 18, 2021, 05:53:21 PM
The rules are in place for everyone's safety. Vaccines are not mandatory, so you have the right to refuse to get vaccinated if you want, but that right comes with consequences like not being able to join large groups.

Vaccination's aren't just for travelling. You used to need to have all your vaccinations up to date just to go to school. They are likely not mandatory now.

The government has the right to say if unvaccinated people can put vaccinated people at risk, to require proof of vaccination and even to make vaccinations manditory based on their duty to protect their citizens. People have a duty to obey the law, even the ones they don't like.  

Equal rights in the Canadian charter: "Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability." The question becomes: "Is it discrimination against the un-vaccinated to exclude them"? Considering the governments duty to protect, I'd say no, but the courts will eventually rule on it.






Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 06:05:26 PM
Ok guys, Covid is not  the topic here, please redirect all Covid talk to it?s thread or I will lock this thread!

LOL, until everyone in Manitoba has equal right to attend a bomber game then this is ALL ABOUT COVID.  But yes please lock the thread and return your head to the sand. Just don't think about how people with medical conditions that don't allow them to get vaccines just lost their civil rights in this province. Please. I wouldn't want to spoil your little happy bubble.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on July 18, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
Agreed. At this rate it?ll be locked by the end of the day.

Yes lockdown anything difficult or challenging to think about.  Go blue!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stretch on July 18, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
Yes lockdown anything difficult or challenging to think about.  Go blue!

Now where did I leave that facepalm GIF....?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Marni on July 18, 2021, 06:38:28 PM
LOL, until everyone in Manitoba has equal right to attend a bomber game then this is ALL ABOUT COVID.  But yes please lock the thread and return your head to the sand. Just don't think about how people with medical conditions that don't allow them to get vaccines just lost their civil rights in this province. Please. I wouldn't want to spoil your little happy bubble.

Like I said, this thread is about the home opener, there is a COVID thread, discuss it there, and any more head in sand comments will find you not posting anywhere! This decision was a govt one, not a Bomber one


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 18, 2021, 08:52:32 PM
Like I said, this thread is about the home opener, there is a COVID thread, discuss it there, and any more head in sand comments will find you not posting anywhere! This decision was a govt one, not a Bomber one

Thank you Marni.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 19, 2021, 01:48:02 PM
LOL, until everyone in Manitoba has equal right to attend a bomber game then this is ALL ABOUT COVID.  But yes please lock the thread and return your head to the sand. Just don't think about how people with medical conditions that don't allow them to get vaccines just lost their civil rights in this province. Please. I wouldn't want to spoil your little happy bubble.

Cry some more. Seems like that's all you do based on your posts, anyway. You clearly have no idea how immunology or vaccines work.

You want to be a part of public social events like a CFL game? Get the vaccine if you can* and be a responsible member of society.

* and no, whining about "rights" is not a valid reason


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 19, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
99.5% of deaths occurring now from COVID are in unvaccinated people. 

What is weird is the anti-vaxxers are using this as a positive... "See, you can still die if you get a vaccine, so why get it?"

.5% of deaths coming from the 50% of the population that is vaccinated. 

Not a great odds maker, but that's a bet worth taking, no?

You have the right to not take a vaccine.  Does not trump the rights of others not to be exposed to an unvaccinated carrier, or to be denied an ICU bed for a non COVID issue because all the ICU beds are full of unvaccinated patients.

How people forget polio, measles, mumps, etc so quickly... or accept hair regrowth treatments with no scientific research behind them as "safe" and deny vaccines with 3 billion doses administered as "unproven", I will never understand.

Alabama (less than 30% vaccinated) tried putting a vaccine clinic in a courthouse today, hoping to convince people waiting to pay for traffic tickets to take a free vaccine.  They got 2 people... 

They should call it the "Trump vaccine", advertise that Trump has two doses, praise Trump for Warp Speed and gin up his base...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 19, 2021, 04:36:34 PM
37 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 21 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR went up slightly to 3.1%, and we had one death.

3% more women have been vaccinated then men.

Alberta will be a great place to see the effects of large crowds and no masks. After watch the finals of the Stampede last night. There wasn't a mask in sight and the barn looked pretty full.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 19, 2021, 08:00:34 PM
"See, you can still die if you get a vaccine, so why get it?"

"You can still die if you wear a seatbelt, so why wear one?"

Anti-vaxxer "logic" is whack, man. On the one hand, they underplay the severity of a novel virus, telling others to not be scared of COVID-19, but then fear getting a vaccine. It's utterly asinine.

It's sickening how many choose to be misinformed about science.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 19, 2021, 08:56:14 PM
Canada border opening up to the US on August 9th. Fully vaccinated of course.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on July 20, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
You mean like...liquor stores?

Or drivers license, passport, academic / professional credentials.

I'm waiting to see how they process people at the border as far as determining proof of double vaccinations. There are those on both sides of the border that don't want official documentation.

Put in the words of Spock from Star Trek: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.

I understand the dilemma facing many that oppose showing vaccination documentation of some sort. It's a tough social issue.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Ricky Bobby on July 20, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
You mean like...liquor stores?

That was put in due to the thefts and assault that were happening. Not the same thing.

This will be my only response to my previous post, I am not trying to stir the pot, I just gave my response and reason.

Thanks


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on July 20, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
That was put in due to the thefts and assault that were happening. Not the same thing.

This will be my only response to my previous post, I am not trying to stir the pot, I just gave my response and reason.

Thanks
No, it's to stop under age people from buying booze. Kinda like a vaccine card is to stop unvaccinated people from being in large groups with vaccinated folks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 21, 2021, 01:00:41 PM
99.5% of all deaths from COVID now involve unvaccinated patients.

99.5%.

But that stat does not get through to these people.

Instead, they want to play up the fact that 99% of people who contract COVID do not die.

Ginning up the fact that it is a survivable disease, and you most likely will not die from it while dismissing the vaccine reduces your chances of getting it / dying from it a hundredfold, well, using logic on this anti-covid-vaccine, anti-mask, anti-Fauci herd is a waste of time. 

Saw a neat Lincoln Project ad recently that showed FOX commentators blasting the vaccines while flashing text and arrows were pointing out that they had been vaccinated, and that FOX NEWS requires all its anchors to be vaccinated (not sure if that extends to all staff or not, but would not be surprised).

I hate the idea, but they could grant FDA full approval for use (not "just emergency use approval") re-named the vaccine "The Trump Protector", give him accolades for Warp Speed, point out he is double vaccinated, and you would get your 75% in a few weeks.  Get the GOP behind vaccination efforts, and watch the arms fill up.

And then after everyone has got the vaccine, we can go back to laughing at Trump... but for now, sad to say, the USA, maybe even the world, needs him on board with this.

And the only way to achieve that is to cater to his vanity.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 21, 2021, 06:38:40 PM
44 new cases in Manitoba today, with 16 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.9%, and we had one death a male in his 30's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jeremy q public on July 22, 2021, 03:46:56 PM
Not I, sorry but I take issue with any place in Canada asking to see "papers". This is my thought only and everyone else is entitled to theirs.
Please be respectful.

I just showed my drivers license at a business yesterday. You show papers every time you fly, stay in a hotel, apply for a credit card, etc. etc.

So I'm curious why this particular use of "papers" offends you so much?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 22, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
So, looks like one person won't be attending out front...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8051277/winnipeg-covid-anti-vaccine-protest-bomber-game/

A Winnipeg man has been arrested after police said he tried to get people to protest near the upcoming Blue Bomber home opener.

Winnipeg police said the man made social media posts encouraging people who are against masks and the COVID-19 vaccines to gather on the roads near Investors Group Field on Aug. 5 with the intent to block traffic.

While organizing a public protest is not illegal, the man was under a court order that ?prohibits the promotion and organization of gatherings contrary to any order made under the Public Health Act.?

Patrick Joseph Robert Allard, 39, faces charges for failing to comply with a condition of release.

In a post made to his public Facebook page, Allard said ?There?s only two roads into the Winnipeg Blue Bombers stadium. I think we can block both with a rather small amount of people on August 5th ahead of their game.?

He then responds to several people who ask about plans.

Allard was arrested on May 28 for helping to organize a rally fronted by notorious anti-mask rally organizer Chris ?Sky? Saccoccia, who hails from Ontario.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sammy225 on July 22, 2021, 03:58:42 PM
So, looks like one person won't be attending out front...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8051277/winnipeg-covid-anti-vaccine-protest-bomber-game/

A Winnipeg man has been arrested after police said he tried to get people to protest near the upcoming Blue Bomber home opener.

Winnipeg police said the man made social media posts encouraging people who are against masks and the COVID-19 vaccines to gather on the roads near Investors Group Field on Aug. 5 with the intent to block traffic.

While organizing a public protest is not illegal, the man was under a court order that ?prohibits the promotion and organization of gatherings contrary to any order made under the Public Health Act.?

Patrick Joseph Robert Allard, 39, faces charges for failing to comply with a condition of release.

In a post made to his public Facebook page, Allard said ?There?s only two roads into the Winnipeg Blue Bombers stadium. I think we can block both with a rather small amount of people on August 5th ahead of their game.?

He then responds to several people who ask about plans.

Allard was arrested on May 28 for helping to organize a rally fronted by notorious anti-mask rally organizer Chris ?Sky? Saccoccia, who hails from Ontario.


Is it smart to stand in front of 28000+ rowdy bomber fans???


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 22, 2021, 04:16:18 PM
It is against the Highway Traffic Act to block traffic, the police usually let the natives block Portage & Main when they demonstrate but that is for a short period only. For an event like the Bomber game, I would bet the WPS would be arresting those people blocking the road very quickly.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 22, 2021, 04:31:03 PM
44 new cases in Manitoba today, with 16 of those in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.9%, and we had one death a male in his 30's.

Mitigation is still working, glad we haven't gone hog wild with reopening... but vaccination's are lagging again, we need to get people out to get their shots. 

With pFizer shipping more doses than anticipated, looks like we have a couple hundred thousand doses in stock now, with more on the way, but averaging less than 10K per day in actual shots. 

Lotteries, being able to go to events, dine in restaurants, etc... basically bribing people to get their vaccine, I'm not sure that is going to be effective at getting the "resistant" population into the clinics. 

Pounding the fact "99.5% of people dying of COVID right now are not vaccinated, 99% of people in hospital for COVID right now are unvaccinated" should be enough to convince a lot of people. 

I saw something the other day where un-vaccinated patients about to be intubated are begging nurses for the vaccine, and the nurses have to say "Its too late for that now".  Publishing more of these kinds of stories can't hurt...

Its time to scare these hesitant people witless about either getting the vaccine or getting COVID. 

Delta is here and killing people, the 30 year old man dead today in Manitoba had Delta.     


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on July 22, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
1.) I hate masks, I love working with people, I love Bomber games.
I dislike airport security.  I have two artificial hips, so I get scrutinized  very thoroughly.
The. Guy doing the search, pat down, or running the machine is just doing his job. 
I usually joke with them.

It's the cost of doing what I want to do.

What's the problem. Your vax card shows you are trying your best not to be a spreader, not a carrier and should be safe.  It's the cost of doing business.  Normal? Nope.  Or maybe the new normal.

Things change. Just do it and move on.
Get the Vaxx.  If not stay home.  It's a new world.  Get with it!
Dinosaurs could not adapt .  And look what happened to them.

I hope people with inabilities can find a way to enjoy the game.
Our first championship in what was it? 29 years.  I hope we be goofy for a few minutes pre-game. Then start the journey for another.

If you are immune compromised, I wish you the best. Take. Care of yourself and your family.
How about this for an idea.m can these pro organizations provide a section for people with these kind of situation So?  Sort of like wheelchair access spot So?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on July 22, 2021, 04:36:54 PM
Is it smart to stand in front of 28000+ rowdy bomber fans???

These guys aren't smart. LOL
Many fans will have been pregaming since noonish. Would be quite the donnybrook! What's worse for your health, getting vaxed or getting an empty 26 to the back of your head?

 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 22, 2021, 04:44:15 PM


How about this for an idea.m can these pro organizations provide a section for people with these kind of situation So?  Sort of like wheelchair access spot So?

Difference between immune compromise and ability accessable is so huge it really isn't a question.  An accidental exposure can kill an immune compromised person... not so much with a wheelchair access..   Nice thought, but no.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: jeremy q public on July 22, 2021, 11:26:01 PM
1.) I hate masks, I love working with people, I love Bomber games.
I dislike airport security.  I have two artificial hips, so I get scrutinized  very thoroughly.
The. Guy doing the search, pat down, or running the machine is just doing his job. 
I usually joke with them.

It's the cost of doing what I want to do.

What's the problem. Your vax card shows you are trying your best not to be a spreader, not a carrier and should be safe.  It's the cost of doing business.  Normal? Nope.  Or maybe the new normal.

Things change. Just do it and move on.
Get the Vaxx.  If not stay home.  It's a new world.  Get with it!
Dinosaurs could not adapt .  And look what happened to them.

I hope people with inabilities can find a way to enjoy the game.
Our first championship in what was it? 29 years.  I hope we be goofy for a few minutes pre-game. Then start the journey for another.

If you are immune compromised, I wish you the best. Take. Care of yourself and your family.
How about this for an idea.m can these pro organizations provide a section for people with these kind of situation So?  Sort of like wheelchair access spot So?

Very well said and I agree completely. Except that a section for immunocompromised people doesn?t solve anything. In fact it would be worse. They rely on the herd immunity of others to prevent spread so putting them all in one section would be very high risk. It would be better to put one of them in each section of vaccinated people.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 23, 2021, 02:14:49 AM
56 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 22 of those cases in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.8%, and we had another person in there 30's pass away.

I see Patrick Allard thinks he can block the access to the Bomber game on August 5th.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 23, 2021, 02:45:43 AM
Went to a funeral in Small town Sask. on Wednesday and apparently masks are no longer required indoors. Definitely was an eye opener. We kept our masks on, but got some dirty looks and a lot of people tell us masks are no longer require in Sask.

There was about 40 people at the funeral for a 49 year who died of Covid and there was only 6 people wearing masks. No masks just seemed a little strange.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 23, 2021, 04:20:57 AM
Some people don?t want to show papers.

I don?t want to miss another Bomber season. 

I don?t want to sit next to someone who is not vaccinated.

I do not want to get sick.

I do not want friends or family to get sick, transmit the disease or have it transmitted to them.

I do not want a super spreader event so the government stops allowing fans.

We are in a pandemic.  You have a choice: get vaccinated, wait for there to be herd immunity, or for the virus to dissipate.

This is a medical issue.  It is not politics.  It is not a constitutional issue because you have a choice and you are not being discriminated against because of an immutable charisteristic such as gender, ethnicity, etc.

While I am empathetic to those that cannot get a vaccine for medical reasons, immuno compromised, and hesitant for safety reasons for RNA vaccines, I am losing tolerance for others. Especially when someone comes on a Blue Bomber site and insults and states we are sheep. 

Push off. 

Nuff said.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on July 23, 2021, 05:31:51 AM
Went to a funeral in Small town Sask. on Wednesday and apparently masks are no longer required indoors. Definitely was an eye opener. We kept our masks on, but got some dirty looks and a lot of people tell us masks are no longer require in Sask.

There about 40 people at the funeral for a 49 year who died of Covid and there was only 6 people wearing masks. No masks just seemed a little strange.



Wacky


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Horseman on July 23, 2021, 03:15:56 PM
Some people don?t want to show papers.

I don?t want to miss another Bomber season. 

I don?t want to sit next to someone who is not vaccinated.

I do not want to get sick.

I do not want friends or family to get sick, transmit the disease or have it transmitted to them.

I do not want a super spreader event so the government stops allowing fans.

We are in a pandemic.  You have a choice: get vaccinated, wait for there to be herd immunity, or for the virus to dissipate.

This is a medical issue.  It is not politics.  It is not a constitutional issue because you have a choice and you are not being discriminated against because of an immutable charisteristic such as gender, ethnicity, etc.

While I am empathetic to those that cannot get a vaccine for medical reasons, immuno compromised, and hesitant for safety reasons for RNA vaccines, I am losing tolerance for others. Especially when someone comes on a Blue Bomber site and insults and states we are sheep. 

Push off. 

Nuff said.

The sound of a slow clap...Well said, bravo!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 23, 2021, 04:08:24 PM
The title threat simply says ?who will be there?. I?m sick of everyone coming this thread spouting there opinions of vaccinations. That is not what the threat is about as per what the mods instructed


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 23, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
41 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, with 13 of those cases in Winnipeg and 19 cases in the Interlake. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.1%. We also had 3 more deaths. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 26, 2021, 06:43:05 PM
Only 11 cases today in Manitoba. Winnipeg's TPR is now 1.8%. 79% with there first shot, 66% with both. Nice work Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 26, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
It's almost as if vaccination works.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on July 27, 2021, 12:16:03 AM
Cases sure spiked up in Alberta over the last few days...sask will probably follow...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 27, 2021, 12:33:24 AM
Cases sure spiked up in Alberta over the last few days...sask will probably follow...

Calgary Stampede???? 

US. is getting out of control again. CNN reporting at this rate the US will 60,000 a day in the fall.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 27, 2021, 12:42:49 PM
Calgary Stampede???? 

Somebody had to be the guinea pig and test out the vaccine vs. high density events.  Personally I thought having the Stampede this year was dumb, or at least move it a little further out from the 75% first dose (or whatever the  number was) by a month, but like I said someone had to be the first.  I guess if we did the math and said unvaccinated TPIs was somewhere in the range of 10 - 12%, and we?re currently at a vaccination rate of 63% fully and 80% full dose, that you?d expect to see a TPI of somewhere between 2% and 4%, which is where it?s at/trending to. 

Which would seem to indicate that vaccines work only if you get them. Who?d have thunk it?

Reality is we?re going to see numbers go up as large public gatherings increase if vaccination rates don?t continue to climb, including CFL games.  And they?re not.  First doses have plateaued out and second doses are nearly caught up, which is unfortunate because the time to end this is the summer, not going through another winter.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 28, 2021, 01:07:22 AM
Somebody had to be the guinea pig and test out the vaccine vs. high density events.  Personally I thought having the Stampede this year was dumb, or at least move it a little further out from the 75% first dose (or whatever the  number was) by a month, but like I said someone had to be the first.  I guess if we did the math and said unvaccinated TPIs was somewhere in the range of 10 - 12%, and we?re currently at a vaccination rate of 63% fully and 80% full dose, that you?d expect to see a TPI of somewhere between 2% and 4%, which is where it?s at/trending to. 

Which would seem to indicate that vaccines work only if you get them. Who?d have thunk it?

Reality is we?re going to see numbers go up as large public gatherings increase if vaccination rates don?t continue to climb, including CFL games.  And they?re not.  First doses have plateaued out and second doses are nearly caught up, which is unfortunate because the time to end this is the summer, not going through another winter.


To get into the Stampede did you have to be fully vaccinated for 14 days.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 28, 2021, 12:05:21 PM

To get into the Stampede did you have to be fully vaccinated for 14 days.

No.

Report this morning is that there were 71 direct confirmed cases resulting from the Stampede.  Not putting a lot of faith in that number, but would great if true.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 28, 2021, 05:59:14 PM
Manitoba had 26 new cases, and Winnipeg had 6 of those cases, and the Interlake had 15. Winnipeg's TPR is now 1.3%. There was also 3 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 28, 2021, 08:48:27 PM
In unsurprising news, it looks like we?re going full cowboy in Alberta by mid August according to Hinshaw.  This will be interesting.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on July 29, 2021, 01:06:52 PM
I sure hope Manitoba does not quickly follow Albertas plan that includes no isolation for people who test positive.  I can't see this ending well - I am not a DR though:


From dr deena hinshaw:
Starting Aug. 16, isolation won?t be universally req?d if you test + except in some high-risk settings. Testing will continue to be important but we will no longer recommend testing for mild symptoms. (10/14)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 29, 2021, 02:22:39 PM
I sure hope Manitoba does not quickly follow Albertas plan that includes no isolation for people who test positive.  I can't see this ending well - I am not a DR though:


From dr deena hinshaw:
Starting Aug. 16, isolation won?t be universally req?d if you test + except in some high-risk settings. Testing will continue to be important but we will no longer recommend testing for mild symptoms. (10/14)

Not what you want to hear with BC and Alberta's number growing.

47 new cases in Manitoba today, with 13 in Winnipeg and 21 in the Interlake. Winnipeg has a TPR of 1.1%. and we had 2 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 29, 2021, 06:54:09 PM
Alberta is declaring COVID over in the midst of a spike.  How stupid is Kenney?

No need to quarantine if positive?  No need to isolate if a close contact?  No testing except for serious symptoms?

And masks optional, even for positive cases.

This has Florida written all over it.

Wondering if the Stamps game here on Aug 29th is going to be played...  will MB even allow the Stamps to come here from where AB will be then...

47 new cases in MB today, 21 in Interlake - Eastern.... only 13 in WPG.   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: gobombersgo on July 30, 2021, 12:37:31 AM
Alberta is declaring COVID over in the midst of a spike.  How stupid is Kenney?

No need to quarantine if positive?  No need to isolate if a close contact?  No testing except for serious symptoms?

And masks optional, even for positive cases.

This has Florida written all over it.

Wondering if the Stamps game here on Aug 29th is going to be played...  will MB even allow the Stamps to come here from where AB will be then...

47 new cases in MB today, 21 in Interlake - Eastern.... only 13 in WPG.   

The CFL has a strict return to play policy for players and personnel. I think they will just keep the policies in place with the Delta variance driving numbers up in a few of the provinces.

Players will continue to have testing done and they will most probably continue to wear masks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 30, 2021, 04:24:22 AM
Sask. is also not making self-isolation mandatory after receiving a positive Covid 19 test. They are leaving it up to the public to make the right decision.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: buckzumhoff on July 30, 2021, 11:33:44 AM
They. dont want you to go to work when your sick but they say it's ok if you got symptoms yo show up to a game? After all the restrictions they are opening it right up. It's a gamble.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on July 30, 2021, 02:40:13 PM
SK has now overtaken MB for worst new case count per capita, and AB is going to quickly overtake and lap everyone at their rate.

Not isolating when positive.....yeesh.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 03, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
Over the weekend Manitoba had 101 new cases, with 49 in the Winnipeg, 24 in the Interlake, and 18 in the Southern region. Winnipeg's TPR is now 1.9% and and we had 3 deaths.

Very good news as we have reached our goal of 80% first shots, and we are 25,000 away from 75% second shots which we will reach probably by this weekend. Two thumbs up for the people of Manitoba. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 05, 2021, 02:22:16 AM
Calgary Stampede now responsible for 129 new cases and counting.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 07, 2021, 02:04:16 AM
Concerns over positives with Elks players, game will not be canceled

Alberta is declaring COVID over in the midst of a spike.  How stupid is Kenney?

No need to quarantine if positive?  No need to isolate if a close contact?  No testing except for serious symptoms?

And masks optional, even for positive cases.

This has Florida written all over it.

Wondering if the Stamps game here on Aug 29th is going to be played...  will MB even allow the Stamps to come here from where AB will be then...

47 new cases in MB today, 21 in Interlake - Eastern.... only 13 in WPG.  

About as stupid as they come.  Big trouble in AB.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-kenney-federal-hadju-covid-19-1.6133082


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 09, 2021, 11:22:12 PM
Active cases in Canada have shot up over 10,000 over the weekend - they were down to around 4000 just a few weeks ago. 
 
Over 1000 in BC and Alberta each over the weekend - hospitalizations not spiking - yet...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 10, 2021, 01:58:02 AM
Yep, it's going to be a rough fall, I can also see shut downs coming.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 10, 2021, 03:31:18 PM
With mask mandates lifted in Manitoba, I am pleased to see a majority of people still wearing them indoors.  Store staff are all wearing them (ours wear KN95's for their own protection, and can use a faceshield if an unmasked shopper worries them.)

I think we will weather lifting of mask mandates better than others, unfortunately, because then there will be no reason to return to the mask mandate and safer procedures come Sept 7...  which would allow a differentiation between vaxxed and unvaxxed for access again, and spur on vaccinations.

With no vaccine incentive now (other than Life), we have seen number drop, while in Quebec they have initiated vaccine passports and seen a huge spike in vaccine uptake.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 10, 2021, 06:10:54 PM
With mask mandates lifted in Manitoba, I am pleased to see a majority of people still wearing them indoors.  Store staff are all wearing them (ours wear KN95's for their own protection, and can use a faceshield if an unmasked shopper worries them.)

I think we will weather lifting of mask mandates better than others, unfortunately, because then there will be no reason to return to the mask mandate and safer procedures come Sept 7...  which would allow a differentiation between vaxxed and unvaxxed for access again, and spur on vaccinations.

With no vaccine incentive now (other than Life), we have seen number drop, while in Quebec they have initiated vaccine passports and seen a huge spike in vaccine uptake.

I wasn't a fan of the vaccine incentive, but it did bring a lot of people out to get vaccinated. However with that said if a person's life should be enough of a reason.

As of this Monday, my wife office will no longer be operating on people that are not double vac. Her office still requires you to wear a mask while in the building.

Canadian Tire Grant Park today, a few of the younger staff members not wearing masks. There was also two small groups of Hutterites in the building, all not wearing masks.

Princess Auto: All staff in masks, 4 people not wearing masks, all Hutterites.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 11, 2021, 08:46:20 PM
Minnesota with 1600 new cases today and 10 deaths. Close the border.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 11, 2021, 11:02:52 PM
Some debate about masks in another forum.

See facts below.  When you wear a mask, you protect others as well as yourself. Masks work best when everyone wears one

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 12, 2021, 04:49:26 PM
Okay so I am all for vaccinations and wearing masks in public. However in Manitoba some stores don't require you to wear a mask anymore.

So today I am at a large box store picking up some building supplies. An older gentlemen is in the store with no mask, and a lady shows up with two young children, probably 6-10 years old. She starts telling the guy that he has no respect for the kids under 12 and the people who are not able to get vaccinated do to health reason. The guy replied back if your worried about your children don't take them to places where masks are not mandatory, or put a mask on your children.

Now I will continue to wear a mask in public for the reasons she stated. However now it's his right not to wear a mask in some public places and he is also right that if she is worried about her children put a mask on them.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 12, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
The frustrating thing for everyone involved is there is no one set of rules or clear expectations anymore. That said, I would never "call anyone out" for not wearing a mask if they aren't required to do so. If you don't like the speed limit on your street you don't go yell at the passing cars who are doing the posted limit. I'm not really a big fan of the "we recommend but everyone do what they want" current provincial government stance, but it is the reality and you shouldn't try to impose your own "authority" as more correct than the actual law.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 13, 2021, 12:15:07 AM
The frustrating thing for everyone involved is there is no one set of rules or clear expectations anymore. That said, I would never "call anyone out" for not wearing a mask if they aren't required to do so. If you don't like the speed limit on your street you don't go yell at the passing cars who are doing the posted limit. I'm not really a big fan of the "we recommend but everyone do what they want" current provincial government stance, but it is the reality and you shouldn't try to impose your own "authority" as more correct than the actual law.

What about when the law is ********?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 13, 2021, 01:03:26 PM
Yeah I'm not down with anyone being a Karen about rules that aren't rules anymore. If you're going above an beyond to be a dinkus and flout it, sure, but if you're carrying on with life and obeying the ever-changing rules, it's not cool and actually pretty pathetic to go out of your way and lord over people.

I went to Co-Op for groceries yesterday evening and there was one person in the entire store without a mask. Totally fine. However, she had this weird scowl and tried to make eye contact with other customers like she was looking for a fight or something.

What have we all become?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2021, 02:44:07 PM
What about when the law is ********?

No idea. Call a politician? I don't know. I just know that things aren't going to work very well if people try to enforce or confront people for not following some sort of private Covid code they have in their head.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 13, 2021, 05:06:21 PM
Unless you are in a KN95 or better, a mask does little to protect you.  Cloth masks stop you from spraying COVID bearing droplets around you with your breath. 

Children should wear KN95's or better, and/or faceshields if they are being taken into areas when they may be exposed to Delta.  Kids are actually dying of COVID now.  Last year, there were no deaths, lots of kids getting inflammatory diseases cased by COVID exposure and other chronic conditions, but they weren't dying.  Now, they are getting really sick and dying in areas of high spread. 

Responsible parents should not be exposing children unnecessarily to risk.  It makes no sense to take them where there may be unmasked people who are obviously anti-vax as well, and quite potentially infected / infectious.

We have to start treating under 12's the same way we were supposed to treat over 65's early on in the pandemic, but didn't and failed our elders, killing far too many of them.  COVID classic was deadly to old people, but not children.  Delta is deadly to children.  Sending our kids into incubation pods like schools, with unvaccinated staff / teachers, with inadequate ventilation and unreliable mask wearing (c'mon, kids and masks are at best a joke) really seems like a recipe for disaster.  Even with rapid testing and cohorts, this is not going to be a good fall.

As to stores requiring masks vs. letting staff go maskless, this gov't has really dropped the ball on this.  We are not out of the woods, and this was an easy thing to keep in place.  It will be brought back Sept 7, I have no doubt.  I have had a few customers refuse our request to mask up, and even had someone I've never seen before poke their head in and ask if we require masks, and when we said that we would prefer them to be masked, they left.  Only one was very upset that we requested mask use (there were other concerned customers in the store at that moment) and offered her a free mask, she completed her transaction and raced out of the store.  I get that some people may have issues that make mask wearing uncomfortable.  But for 5 minutes, really? 

We are "Friendly Manitoba", and we have a strong community spirit, we generally are doing the right thing, and mask use is remaining the majority choice.  Personally, if I see a store not even requiring staff to use masks, I'm not going to shop there.  It just doesn't make sense to me, even though I wear a KN95 and am double vaxxed.  Its not that I am at risk that makes me make that choice, it is that I want my money to go to companies that are good community partners....
 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 13, 2021, 06:30:09 PM
No idea. Call a politician? I don't know. I just know that things aren't going to work very well if people try to enforce or confront people for not following some sort of private Covid code they have in their head.

I agree.  You need to protect yourself.  If someone is standing in your face coughing it is just like pre Covid.  No rules just lack pf common decency.

Alberta is rolling back easing up.  See what happens with delta.  I was hoping people would mask and be able to go to a whole season of football.  Not sure that will happen.  We will see


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 13, 2021, 07:47:18 PM
And then there is the other extreme, I saw a guy today at the golf course driving a convertible with his mask on. To funny.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 14, 2021, 03:12:56 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens when the first NFL game is cancelled due to an outbreak.  Wonder if the players who cause it will be cut, or how they will be treated by their teamates that could lose hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars.  I can't see any QB not demanding his whole team get jabbed.  You'd have to be some kind of stupid to risk paydays over vaccine.

Might even be worse in the CFL... sure, the $value of loss in the NFL is an order of magnitude greater, but in the CFL, every one of those game cheques means a lot more to the players than to an NFL player, it can mean the difference between food on the table or no food on the table for the family...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 18, 2021, 07:02:42 PM
Leila super center closing later this month. I can also see RBC closing probably by the end of September. Walmart, and Shoppers both have Pfizer.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 19, 2021, 03:25:38 AM
Sask. with 131 new cases today. Some cases linked to the Rider home opener.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 22, 2021, 02:37:04 AM
Two days in a row we have 40 plus cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 22, 2021, 03:03:21 AM
Two days in a row we have 40 plus cases.

27 on Thursday and 44 on Friday...nothing announced today - unless you have some inside info...

Active cases went way down in MB - Canada is exploding though


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 03:59:33 PM
Canada/USA women's hockey that night will fill in nicely for no football.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 06:41:18 PM
August 21, there was 46 cases, August 22, 36 cases, and today there is 27 cases.  Monday's are always a low number day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 23, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
How could they be so stupid?
Let's  post some numbers
Who on the Bombers doesn't have the vaxx?

Defensive corner?
Field goal kicker?
Lol!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 07:12:48 PM
Calgary Stampeders have become the 6th of 9 CFL teams to require vaccines for attendance.

Only BC, Riders and Elks don?t have such requirements ? yet.

And the Riders have already reported cases linked to the Riders season opener.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Stats Junkie on August 23, 2021, 07:55:32 PM
Province of BC will require a single dose for sporting events as of September 13 with full vaccination required as of October 24. BC will be issuing a vaccine card - sounds like it will be done through an app.

Also heard on noon news that 87% of BC Lions have at least one dose.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 23, 2021, 07:59:12 PM
Thanks for the info onBCs vax rate.
Someone ask Bob on the sports show tonight.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 23, 2021, 10:07:19 PM
219 new cases in Sask. today. Only 57% of population vaccinated in Sask.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue newt on August 24, 2021, 03:10:09 AM
Province of BC will require a single dose for sporting events as of September 13 with full vaccination required as of October 24. BC will be issuing a vaccine card - sounds like it will be done through an app.

Also heard on noon news that 87% of BC Lions have at least one dose.

Not sure about the BC thing.  I know the province announced vaccine restrictions for the province today, but that's for INDOOR ticketed concerts, theatre, dance, and sporting events.  As long as they leave the BC Place dome open, does it qualify?  There's been nothing I've seen on the BC Lions webpage or social media confirming or denying the rumours that they are included in the vaccine restrictions.  I hope they enforce it at Lions games, but it's still not clear if it will be.  My guess is that the team are also trying to clarify the rules with the health authority.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue newt on August 24, 2021, 03:23:10 AM
Not sure about the BC thing.  I know the province announced vaccine restrictions for the province today, but that's for INDOOR ticketed concerts, theatre, dance, and sporting events.  As long as they leave the BC Place dome open, does it qualify?  There's been nothing I've seen on the BC Lions webpage or social media confirming or denying the rumours that they are included in the vaccine restrictions.  I hope they enforce it at Lions games, but it's still not clear if it will be.  My guess is that the team are also trying to clarify the rules with the health authority.

Okay, I'm going to be a dweeb and reply to myself   :D

I looked into it a little further, and apparently, I wasn't the only one wondering if BC Place was considered an outdoor venue.  One of the local newspapers emailed the owners/operators of BC Place, and they confirmed that they will be operating the venue with the restrictions in place.  So, I admit fault!  I was wrong!

To quote the paper:

"B.C. Place is sometimes described as an outdoor venue, but PavCo, the crown corporation that manages the downtown Vancouver stadium, confirmed in an email they are covered by the new policy.

?The health and safety of PavCo?s staff, contractors, and guests remains our top priority and as such we welcome the introduction of the B.C. Vaccine Card program for events at our venues, B.C. Place and the Vancouver Convention Centre,? a PavCo spokesperson said in an email. ?PavCo is committed to doing our part  to keep our community?s recovery efforts moving forward and to see live meetings and event venues return to full capacity. We will work closely with our staff, contractors, government, clients and teams to manage the implementation of B.C. Vaccine Card to welcome guests to our venues.?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 24, 2021, 04:58:01 PM
I have no sympathy either. However it takes away games to watch and at some point could impact the Bombers. Even if it means we win a game by forfeit, I want to see games played, not just awarded.

Taints everything.

I understand and agree with the ruling concept. OTOH it seems unfair to the players that follow the recommended guidelines but still lose a paycheck due to those that don't. It's possible the players that tested positive were vaccinated but if the entire roster is below the " limit " it's the anti vax players that put a pin in entire team. Otherwise the team could have activated other players and isolated the infected.

There is nothing to substantiate but since Canada has a high vaccination rate, I believe those infected are most probably Imports. Could be vets or rookies sitting on PR ( I wouldn't want to be in their shoes today ).


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 24, 2021, 04:59:45 PM
Sounds like masks are going back on in public places.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 24, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
Sounds like masks are going back on in public places.

Why that mandate was ever removed just smacks of idiocy.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 24, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Hey Blue,

Good points.
I never thought I would see the potential defaulting the game to an Argos squad.

I am not too forgiving.  The CFL should stop procrastinating, award the points and let's move on. 
The concept of having a vaccination isn't new.

And I Dont buy religious reasons, health reasons, or the fact that they are ignorant.  Ok maybe health reasons. But I would think the vaccines don't hurt.  I am no Dr., so I should remain mum.

I foresee this mandatory vaccine as a soon to be law.

I thought the Charter of Rights had a section called restrictions.  Basically it said any rights(freedom of choice, thought, fundamental freedoms)  can be suspended, when the rights of the many are threatened. If such a situation occurs then the rights of the majority out weigh the Individual rights.

The not withstanding clause may address the same.
The restrictions clause was applied during both World Wars, and again during the October crisis, with the FLQ, in Quebec and Ottawa.

Invoking that clause would solve a lot of problems.

Unfortunately, in looking at a current Charter of Rights document, I couldn't find it, hence my fear, it may have been edited out.

This is cause for concern.  Our friends to the South, seem to becoming closer to a rebellion and that fool Donald Trump will be voted back in.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 24, 2021, 07:35:31 PM
Yes, it was unfortunate that the government thought that the inmates could be responsible and have some common sense.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Cool Spot on August 24, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
And I Dont buy ... health reasons

I wonder what sort of health reasons a professional football player, who puts their body on the line all the time with respect to getting hit by 200 lb athletes, sprinting back and forth and putting strain on tendons and ligaments, the travel schedule, stress of always looking over your shoulder, etc. could come up with that says the risk is greater than what they are already incurring?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Ridermania on August 24, 2021, 10:57:32 PM
Dave Naylor @TSNDaveNaylor
Just wrapped-up an interview with Randy Ambrosie in which he said the league is operating under ?informed guidance? that charters will not be exempt from a flight ban on unvaccinated individuals this fall.
Huge issue.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:31:25 AM
I wonder what sort of health reasons a professional football player, who puts their body on the line all the time with respect to getting hit by 200 lb athletes, sprinting back and forth and putting strain on tendons and ligaments, the travel schedule, stress of always looking over your shoulder, etc. could come up with that says the risk is greater than what they are already incurring?

Certaining conditions, especially those that cause bloodclotting (hyperhomocysteinemiaare,  antiphospholipid antibody syndrome, certain genetically inherited conditions etc) are medical reasons.  Just because you are healthy does not mean you do not have medical conditions.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:35:13 AM
Why that mandate was ever removed just smacks of idiocy.

I agree.  That said I think the unstated thought is to Gove some freedom before it had to be reimposed


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:36:10 AM
Running low on N95s.  Suggestions? 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on August 25, 2021, 02:37:04 AM
219 new cases in Sask. today. Only 57% of population vaccinated in Sask.

For a second I thought you meantIQ in Saskatchewan  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 25, 2021, 03:00:43 AM
Running low on N95s.  Suggestions? 

Buy more.

Manitoba had 40 more cases today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 25, 2021, 03:01:39 AM
Certaining conditions, especially those that cause bloodclotting (hyperhomocysteinemiaare,  antiphospholipid antibody syndrome, certain genetically inherited conditions etc) are medical reasons.  Just because you are healthy does not mean you do not have medical conditions.
yup! Look no further than me. I am healthy BUT?..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 25, 2021, 03:02:44 AM
Montreal says there 85% vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Waffler on August 25, 2021, 11:48:44 AM
From Paul Friesen in the Sun:

?Selfish beyond words.?
That?s how one CFL executive describes players and/or staff who still choose not to be vaccinated against COVID-19.


Blue Bombers head coach Mike O?Shea said Monday his team will reach 85% vaccinations ? players and staff with a double-shot plus the two-week interval ? right after Labour Day.

That means the key shots would have just taken place early this week.


On Tuesday, we learned through Montreal player union rep Chris Ackie that the Alouettes have passed the 85% plateau, which is believed to rank them No. 2 in the league.

The Bombers are likely ranked third.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 25, 2021, 01:12:03 PM
Running low on N95s.  Suggestions? 


Tons of KN95's on Amazon... I have a couple hundred on hand for my staff...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: the paw on August 25, 2021, 01:57:15 PM


Do you "force the vax!" people even think about what you're saying?  The side forcing medical procedures on unwilling participants has never in history been the side of "good".

Did you know that by locking out or firing unvaccinated players you are being racist?  In the USA under 30% of African Americans are vaccinated, while the majority of whites are.  Those African Americans IMPs are the majority of the CFL's DBs, LBs, WRs, etc.  Who are you to tell them what to do with their bodies when they are obviously uncomfortable?  Shame on you.

What will happen if they can't fly and/or can't play is they will leave.  Many more than you would guess.  And many will be superstars.  They can wait to play in XFL 2.0.



SMH


Just to respond to some of the more egregious statements from your ridiculous post, let me offer the following:

1. No one is forcing medical procedures on anyone.  They would just be making it a condition of employment.  If you don't want to vaccinate in order to provide a safe work environment for your co-workers, find a job where you can stay at home.  We wouldn't tolerate a machinery operator refusing to wear eye protection or follow other workplace safety procedures, why do we tolerate it here?

2. Your race card-fu is weak grasshopper.  Lin-J Shell was an African-American DB in the CFL, who played at an all-star level until 2015.  He is dead from COVID at age 39.  I don't know the exact forms of racism that Lin-J experienced in his lifetime, but none of them were worse than being dead.  The misinformation that is being fed to people in Florida, exploiting historical mistrust for bizarre political ends is the real racist crime here. 

3.  If players choose to leave, let them leave. No one is bigger than the game.  Eventually, they all leave anyway, and others step into their place.  The league didn't fold up when we stopped signing wife-beaters, and it won't dry up if we do without people who are reckless with their health and the health of others. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on August 25, 2021, 02:36:30 PM
VOFO - Vaccinate Or F Off.

The US players have been in Canada long enough to get vaccinated here if they didn't do it at home. It's free medical, they should be all over that.

Medical reason not to get vaccinated puts you in the 1-5% of the population that can't get vaccinated. Surely the CFL can exempt and daily test those with a medical reason.

You get in you car, which is built to government standards, drive on a government standard road, to your government standard house or government standard workplace carrying your government standard driving licence that allows you to drive. So ya, the government can tell you what to do and make you get a card to do it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 25, 2021, 03:44:48 PM
VOFO - Vaccinate Or F Off.

The US players have been in Canada long enough to get vaccinated here if they didn't do it at home. It's free medical, they should be all over that.

Medical reason not to get vaccinated puts you in the 1-5% of the population that can't get vaccinated. Surely the CFL can exempt and daily test those with a medical reason.

You get in you car, which is built to government standards, drive on a government standard road, to your government standard house or government standard workplace carrying your government standard driving licence that allows you to drive. So ya, the government can tell you what to do and make you get a card to do it.

Pretty sure any medical reason for not taking the vaccine would also prohibit you from playing pro football.  So I can't see anyone playing the "medical exemption" card.

With many players from the bible belt, I can see many using the "religious exemption" ploy, except there isn't one.  The is nothing in religion that says you cannot have vaccine.  If you were to make a person sign a contract saying "I have a religious objection to the vaccine, as well as monoclonal antibodies, ventilators or any life saving therapies my own body and God cannot provide", you'd quickly get vaccine compliance from that group...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 25, 2021, 03:59:06 PM
Just to respond to some of the more egregious statements from your ridiculous post, let me offer the following:

1. No one is forcing medical procedures on anyone.  They would just be making it a condition of employment.  If you don't want to vaccinate in order to provide a safe work environment for your co-workers, find a job where you can stay at home.  We wouldn't tolerate a machinery operator refusing to wear eye protection or follow other workplace safety procedures, why do we tolerate it here?

2. Your race card-fu is weak grasshopper.  Lin-J Shell was an African-American DB in the CFL, who played at an all-star level until 2015.  He is dead from COVID at age 39.  I don't know the exact forms of racism that Lin-J experienced in his lifetime, but none of them were worse than being dead.  The misinformation that is being fed to people in Florida, exploiting historical mistrust for bizarre political ends is the real racist crime here. 

3.  If players choose to leave, let them leave. No one is bigger than the game.  Eventually, they all leave anyway, and others step into their place.  The league didn't fold up when we stopped signing wife-beaters, and it won't dry up if we do without people who are reckless with their health and the health of others. 

agree with all, sorry techno I am not buying what you are selling, vax now for all players to protect themselves, the league, the game and their loved ones, so simple


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 25, 2021, 04:01:28 PM
Pretty sure any medical reason for not taking the vaccine would also prohibit you from playing pro football.  So I can't see anyone playing the "medical exemption" card.

With many players from the bible belt, I can see many using the "religious exemption" ploy, except there isn't one.  The is nothing in religion that says you cannot have vaccine.  If you were to make a person sign a contract saying "I have a religious objection to the vaccine, as well as monoclonal antibodies, ventilators or any life saving therapies my own body and God cannot provide", you'd quickly get vaccine compliance from that group...

I'm not sure that's correct. Some people could have some medical conditions which make vaccinations a risk IIRC. A doctor would have to respond to that.

Regardless that would fall into a much smaller segment of any player group. Forfeit only applies to a roster not vaccinated under 85% IIRC. So there could be some exemption provision with testing rather than vaccination requirement? Whether that falls into the air travel issue is not clear either.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 25, 2021, 04:40:43 PM
105 today...

Southern - 41
Winnipeg - 29
Interlake-Eastern - 20
Northern - 6
Prairie Mountain - 9


Here's more information from the province today:

Of the 105 new cases, 70 were unvaccinated, including all 41 cases announced in Southern Health.

Most of the new cases all stem from close contact transmission.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 25, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
It's curious to me why there was suddenly so many positive tests. Makes me suspect the testing protocol was not up to snuff. For sure the unvaccinated players should have been tested daily. The unvaccinated a little less frequent perhaps. Perhaps they did as much, I just haven't heard any info to that effect.

It's going to be really funny to read this forum in October when many fully vaccinated players start testing positive and the season starts to fall apart.

There is NO evidence that vaccines prevent transmission because they don't provide sterilizing immunity. What they do is allow your body to more easily fight off the infection. We are all going to get COVID at some point. But those of us who are vaccinated will be less likely to end up dead or in hospital.

When we catch up the rest of the world (see data from Israel, Iceland, UK) on this issue that will be interested because right now everyone in Canada seems quite deluded about what the vaccines actually do.

IT's very easy to test positive for COVID on a high-cycle pcr test whether you are actually sick or actually contagious. An expert witness from the lab here in Winnipeg confirmed as much. As many as 50% of tests were non-contagious individuals.

So yes, lots of CFL players will test positive for covid as long as we keep mass testing them. Most will have few to no symptoms. It will not matter if they have been vaccinated. This is going to very much mess up this CFL season.

Please refrain from censoring this post long enough to see if I'm right. If I'm wrong you can all engage in your usual flaming and brigading and censorship against anyone with different opions.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 25, 2021, 07:33:57 PM
It's going to be really funny to read this forum in October when many fully vaccinated players start testing positive and the season starts to fall apart.

There is NO evidence that vaccines prevent transmission because they don't provide sterilizing immunity. What they do is allow your body to more easily fight off the infection. We are all going to get COVID at some point. But those of us who are vaccinated will be less likely to end up dead or in hospital.

When we catch up the rest of the world (see data from Israel, Iceland, UK) on this issue that will be interested because right now everyone in Canada seems quite deluded about what the vaccines actually do.

IT's very easy to test positive for COVID on a high-cycle pcr test whether you are actually sick or actually contagious. An expert witness from the lab here in Winnipeg confirmed as much. As many as 50% of tests were non-contagious individuals.

So yes, lots of CFL players will test positive for covid as long as we keep mass testing them. Most will have few to no symptoms. It will not matter if they have been vaccinated. This is going to very much mess up this CFL season.

Please refrain from censoring this post long enough to see if I'm right. If I'm wrong you can all engage in your usual flaming and brigading and censorship against anyone with different opions.

Not sure I understand what you're getting at with this post.

We know that vaccines *do* prevent transmission, although by exactly how much is not yet clear (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html)) (especially delta since it's more transmissive). Early evidence of reporting cases is steadily showing the majority of new cases are with the unvaccinated.

I don't think anyone ever said you couldn't get covid if you're not vaccinated. The point is that you are responsible by taking measures to not spread it around and cause outbreaks on your team and in the community. This includes not being frivolous with your behaviours in public.

Don't worry, no one will censor you. You're not a victim.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 25, 2021, 07:36:34 PM
Not sure I understand what you're getting at with this post.

We know that vaccines *do* prevent transmission, although by exactly how much is not yet clear (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html)) (especially delta since it's more transmissive). Early evidence of reporting cases is steadily showing the majority of new cases are with the unvaccinated.

I don't think anyone ever said you couldn't get covid if you're not vaccinated. The point is that you are responsible by taking measures to not spread it around and cause outbreaks on your team and in the community.

Don't worry, no one will censor you. You're not a victim.

What I'm getting at is that if we pretend that vaccination provides sterilizing immunity, and the solution to not having players test positive for COVID is to just vaccinate anyone then the season is going to be cancelled as vaccinated players test positive and games are cancelled. This is a much bigger problem then people realize and vaccination will not solve it. Look at Israel data. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-covid-case-breakthrough-data-shows-vaccines-not-pandemic-silver-bullet-1622465


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 25, 2021, 07:57:31 PM
What I'm getting at is that if we pretend that vaccination provides sterilizing immunity, and the solution to not having players test positive for COVID is to just vaccinate anyone then the season is going to be cancelled as vaccinated players test positive and games are cancelled. This is a much bigger problem then people realize and vaccination will not solve it. Look at Israel data. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-covid-case-breakthrough-data-shows-vaccines-not-pandemic-silver-bullet-1622465

Pretty sure nobody's ever claimed that vaccination alone would end the pandemic. Vaccines offer a layer of protection from the virus, though. And COVID-19 vaccines are no different in that regard. These clowns who choose not to get vaccinated with no legitimate reason are part of the problem with this outbreak in the Elks organization.

Booster shots will likely be required if we're to learn from what's taking place in Israel. However, there's more to it than just vaccine efficacy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why)



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 25, 2021, 09:05:54 PM
We are going to have a problem in the south for awhile because there only 40% vaccinated.

20 in the Interlake is also no surprised, many people in that region not wearing masks in public.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ichabod_crane on August 25, 2021, 09:18:40 PM
VOFO - Vaccinate Or F Off.

You get in you car, which is built to government standards, drive on a government standard road, to your government standard house or government standard workplace carrying your government standard driving licence that allows you to drive. So ya, the government can tell you what to do and make you get a card to do it.


Obviously you have never lived in a rural area. I know of several back roads that ARE NOT GOVERNMENT Standard. People living in shacks with no water or other conveniences. You are being ignorant of the real world around you even in Canada.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 25, 2021, 09:37:19 PM
Pretty sure nobody's ever claimed that vaccination alone would end the pandemic. Vaccines offer a layer of protection from the virus, though. And COVID-19 vaccines are no different in that regard. These clowns who choose not to get vaccinated with no legitimate reason are part of the problem with this outbreak in the Elks organization.

Booster shots will likely be required if we're to learn from what's taking place in Israel. However, there's more to it than just vaccine efficacy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why)


Good read thanks for posting. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on August 26, 2021, 03:18:16 AM
It's going to be really funny to read this forum in October when many fully vaccinated players start testing positive and the season starts to fall apart.

There is NO evidence that vaccines prevent transmission because they don't provide sterilizing immunity. What they do is allow your body to more easily fight off the infection. We are all going to get COVID at some point. But those of us who are vaccinated will be less likely to end up dead or in hospital.

When we catch up the rest of the world (see data from Israel, Iceland, UK) on this issue that will be interested because right now everyone in Canada seems quite deluded about what the vaccines actually do.

IT's very easy to test positive for COVID on a high-cycle pcr test whether you are actually sick or actually contagious. An expert witness from the lab here in Winnipeg confirmed as much. As many as 50% of tests were non-contagious individuals.

So yes, lots of CFL players will test positive for covid as long as we keep mass testing them. Most will have few to no symptoms. It will not matter if they have been vaccinated. This is going to very much mess up this CFL season.

Please refrain from censoring this post long enough to see if I'm right. If I'm wrong you can all engage in your usual flaming and brigading and censorship against anyone with different opions.

You may well be right with the bolded as we are in a much different situation with the virus right now because of the Delta variant and it's evolving quickly. Right now though, it appears the vaccinated are getting infected(symptomatic or not) at a slower rate than the unvaxxed in a mass testing environment such as a professional sports team. So, the vaccines are mitigating the positive test numbers for now. But, that could change and soon. Therefore, it's incumbent upon the vaccinated players to be every bit as diligent with their behavior as the unvaxxed. If this does mess up the CFL season, the only "saving grace" if you will for the CFL is that all the other professional sports leagues are going to have the exact same problem. Delta could be a really big problem for pro sports leagues this fall, even the big leagues.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 26, 2021, 03:31:06 AM
How is that a saving grace?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on August 26, 2021, 03:53:34 AM
How is that a saving grace?

None of it's good of course. But they won't stand out from other leagues by being the only one with the problem. I thought that was obvious. I guess not, by bad.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 26, 2021, 08:37:25 AM
Alberta had 1076 cases today, and 283 in hospital. Things aren't looking good in Alberta. I have a feeling more Elk's will test positive.

As bad luck would have it, I'm travelling through Alberta right now on my way back home, many (the vast majority) people as well as significant businesses seem to be no longer taking any visible precautions.  Just today I had to put up my hand to prevent at least a dozen people, no masks, from entering an 8'x8' elevator containing my family, including my Dad who is 89.  Tomorrow morning I'm gassing up the car and we're getting the hell outta Dodge as quick as can be.   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on August 26, 2021, 12:28:57 PM

Obviously you have never lived in a rural area. I know of several back roads that ARE NOT GOVERNMENT Standard. People living in shacks with no water or other conveniences. You are being ignorant of the real world around you even in Canada.
Way to miss the point completely. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 26, 2021, 01:34:09 PM
Teams have played three games in ten days as recent as 17 or 18, and I believe it was Toronto.
Stupid I know.

I am sick of this Covid crap.
Intelligent people have made the rules based on what intelligent people have debated and researched. So get the **** vaccine and quit endangering my life!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 26, 2021, 04:11:09 PM
Is there any breakdown of the population counts for each of those regions?  Seems to me southern and interlake would be a tiny fraction of Winnipeg, so while the numbers of total cases don't look that horrible, the actual % of population (the x/100,000 number) is probably huge...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 26, 2021, 04:48:49 PM
Terrible idea

Why?
Are they even sick? Do they have symptoms? Why does it matter?

I'm looking for answers not insults.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 26, 2021, 04:50:34 PM
Teams have played three games in ten days as recent as 17 or 18, and I believe it was Toronto.
Stupid I know.

I am sick of this Covid crap.
Intelligent people have made the rules based on what intelligent people have debated and researched. So get the **** vaccine and quit endangering my life!


Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 26, 2021, 05:52:24 PM
Actually that's EXACTLY what they claimed as recently as 3 months ago. Short memories.

Oh? Who said that? Who's they?

Tell us more... You seem rational and informed based on your comments. Probably didn't even read the article, either... Yet, you whine about not getting answers. Priceless.

Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

Comical projection. I bet you're one of those self-proclaimed "free thinkers," too.

Why?
Are they even sick? Do they have symptoms? Why does it matter?

I'm looking for answers not insults.

Others here have provided answers, which you've ignored.

If only there were a cure for cognitive dissonance.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 26, 2021, 06:43:45 PM
Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

Where are there 80% vaxxed, and is 80% enough to control things?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: wpg#1 on August 26, 2021, 08:04:27 PM
Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

It's the other 20ish %
See what I did there  ?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 26, 2021, 10:12:04 PM
Oh? Who said that? Who's they?

Tell us more... You seem rational and informed based on your comments. Probably didn't even read the article, either... Yet, you whine about not getting answers. Priceless.

Comical projection. I bet you're one of those self-proclaimed "free thinkers," too.

Others here have provided answers, which you've ignored.

If only there were a cure for cognitive dissonance.

Listen to this man!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 27, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
14 cases now on the elks. Man not good!

No kidding. Their next game is only about 9 days away. I'd say there is a chance that game could be " postponed ".  Just a guess but if they don't get clearance to start practice by Monday, then another problem.

I'm still waiting to understand what mechanism the league put in place if this came up. It all seems to have fallen into a black hole.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Cool Spot on August 27, 2021, 02:38:20 PM
Keep trusting the government. Wow are you in for some serious disillusionment. Why aren't we out of this yet with 80% vaccination (and don't say the 20%)

Based on my understanding, it is a combination of multiple things:

* 80% is not enough for herd immunity, the R0 is still too high as the virus passes from person-to-person even without contact, and even from people who aren't showing symptoms
* I think the 80% number is of eligible adults and 12+, it doesn't include kids, so the actual number of people who are fully vaccinated is less
* The Delta variant has a much higher viral load than the earlier versions, so people who are infected pass far more particles which increases the number of people who will be subsequently infected (much higher R0)
* As a result of Delta, because the viral load is so much higher, vaccinated people can both catch COVID and also spread it, though they are much less likely to require hospitalization. In my view, this is the argument for getting it -> Vaccines reduce the risk of catching COVID, or at least from developing severe symptoms"]"
* Finally, and this is based upon my own analysis and should be treated suspiciously until proven otherwise, the COVID virus has spike proteins on its exterior (we've all seen the images), and they attach to our ACE2 receptors in our nose and throats. The vaccines teach our immune system to see the spike protein as a foreign invader and send antibodies to fight it. However, it wouldn't prevent the virus from physically attaching to your ACE2 receptors. Thus, I'm beginning to think that everyone will catch COVID at some point, it's just a matter of how severe your case will be

That's my understanding of why we aren't out of this yet.

It seems logical to me to require vaccination in some cases, since it reduces the risk by a lot. There seems to be some evidence, but I am not sure how accurate it is, that a pre-existing infection provides some level of protection but it's not like a gov't can require you to go and get infected. But in any case, until COVID becomes low-prevalence and endemic, it seems we will be in a state of heightened risk.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 27, 2021, 03:43:03 PM
Based on my understanding, it is a combination of multiple things:

* 80% is not enough for herd immunity, the R0 is still too high as the virus passes from person-to-person even without contact, and even from people who aren't showing symptoms
* I think the 80% number is of eligible adults and 12+, it doesn't include kids, so the actual number of people who are fully vaccinated is less
* The Delta variant has a much higher viral load than the earlier versions, so people who are infected pass far more particles which increases the number of people who will be subsequently infected (much higher R0)
* As a result of Delta, because the viral load is so much higher, vaccinated people can both catch COVID and also spread it, though they are much less likely to require hospitalization. In my view, this is the argument for getting it -> Vaccines reduce the risk of catching COVID, or at least from developing severe symptoms"]"
* Finally, and this is based upon my own analysis and should be treated suspiciously until proven otherwise, the COVID virus has spike proteins on its exterior (we've all seen the images), and they attach to our ACE2 receptors in our nose and throats. The vaccines teach our immune system to see the spike protein as a foreign invader and send antibodies to fight it. However, it wouldn't prevent the virus from physically attaching to your ACE2 receptors. Thus, I'm beginning to think that everyone will catch COVID at some point, it's just a matter of how severe your case will be

That's my understanding of why we aren't out of this yet.

It seems logical to me to require vaccination in some cases, since it reduces the risk by a lot. There seems to be some evidence, but I am not sure how accurate it is, that a pre-existing infection provides some level of protection but it's not like a gov't can require you to go and get infected. But in any case, until COVID becomes low-prevalence and endemic, it seems we will be in a state of heightened risk.

Big study just came out showing natural infection is 27x more protective than the vaccine. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

(Moderator Edit:  Please note that, with regard to the above article it states: "This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."

That's how this is going to end. With us all getting COVID and recovering from it and getting sterilizing immunity. That will take years. In the meantime those who are young and healthy and/or vaccinated have very low risk of serious illness, as with other respiratory viruses. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/

This is the only "ending" or "victory" we're going to get. It's not going away. If we keep obsessively testing people for COVID infection and excluding them from things like playing sports because of it, then it's going to be very difficult to have things like sports for years given the reality of an endemic respiratory virus.

So I hope we adopt a saner policy.

Enjoy the reading, I hope people here can start to get a more realistic view of what the "ending" of the pandemic looks like, otherwise, like I said, we're in for a very hard next 5-10 years and we're also likely looking at the end of the CFL if they keep following a zero covid policy which is likely impossible.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on August 27, 2021, 06:15:25 PM
Here in Manitoba. Theresa Tam said that was enough back in the spring. I actually can remember more than 3 months back. It's a rare gift.

- We do not have 80% of the population in Manitoba vaccinated

- The 80% number Tam gave was an estimate at the time

- The 80% number did not consider the more contagious variant

Great memory tho


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 27, 2021, 06:36:11 PM
We have 76% vaccinated in Manitoba. 82% with a single shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 27, 2021, 06:37:09 PM
Masks back on in public places.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 27, 2021, 08:27:19 PM
- We do not have 80% of the population in Manitoba vaccinated

- The 80% number Tam gave was an estimate at the time

- The 80% number did not consider the more contagious variant

Great memory tho

The Delta variant existed in the spring. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on August 28, 2021, 02:15:13 AM
Masks back on in public places.

Never took it off...I am one with a mask now.


Aards - if you can send me a PM with know good sellers of kn95 on Amazon.  Got ripped off early in the pandemic...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 28, 2021, 04:27:01 PM
Try ABC Fire & Safety. I bought a 100 off of them a month ago.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 29, 2021, 12:19:34 AM
Mask mandate should be kept on for months, get the vax rate up and protect our communities and health care system.  So simple, so effective.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 30, 2021, 12:05:43 PM
Big study just came out showing natural infection is 27x more protective than the vaccine. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

(Moderator Edit:  Please note that, with regard to the above article it states: "This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."

LOL :D


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 30, 2021, 12:54:28 PM
LOL :D

Glad to see the moderators here are so well versed on the process of scientific peer-review.

Now if there are any methodological problems in this scientific study that I assume you have read cover to cover please explain them in detail in this space.....


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 30, 2021, 02:24:53 PM
Glad to see the moderators here are so well versed on the process of scientific peer-review.

Now if there are any methodological problems in this scientific study that I assume you have read cover to cover please explain them in detail in this space.....

Looks like the moderators are rational and capable of objective, unbiased, critical thought. Good on them.

Confirmation bias is almost as bad as cognitive dissonance. Your feeble arguments are getting demolished by both... Ironic in that it is self-inflicted and thus, pretty darned hilarious. Those are the real "gifts" you have.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 30, 2021, 02:46:09 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200)

As if this is even a thing... Looking good, Alabamberta! :-\


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueGold8597 on August 31, 2021, 01:31:56 PM
Looks like the moderators are rational and capable of objective, unbiased, critical thought. Good on them.

Confirmation bias is almost as bad as cognitive dissonance. Your feeble arguments are getting demolished by both... Ironic in that it is self-inflicted and thus, pretty darned hilarious. Those are the real "gifts" you have.

I'm really not sure why I bother. Some days it's like I've gone through the looking glass but here goes...

Natural immunity is a proven concepts in science for decades. Denying it exists is like denying evolution or climate change. Furthermore the way a vaccine works is by triggering your body's natural immune system to produce antibodies. Frankly its absurd to think that you wouldn't get lasting natural immunity from getting COVID and it's hardly surprising that this immunity is 14x better than that which you get from a vaccine as the study showed.

If you have a legitimate issue with the way in which this study was conducted I'm welcome to discuss it. But if you'd rather engage in namecalling and ad hominem attacks I suppose that tells us something about you.

It's just blindingly obvious that those who have had COVID are immune for a very long time and you are SAFER being around them than vaccinated people. Excluding them from society (including football games) because they didn't bother getting a redundant vaccination is absolutely idiotic and unscientific.

If you are really concerned about being exposed to COVID after being vaccinated (which in my opinion you have no reason to be but ok) then you should take this paper very seriously because it shows the chance of a vaccinated person spreading COVID to you is much greater than someone who has had it and recovered spreading it to you.

Can we please have an adult conversation in a rational manner about vaccines, immunity and how they work? Or are we just going to keep making policies on the basis of fear, scapegoating and the desire to coerce all people into vaccination regardless of their particular circumstances?

Some days it seems like everyone has lost their mind over this thing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: TBURGESS on August 31, 2021, 02:08:50 PM
Covid is like the flu. New varieties all the time. Some, like Delta, are worse than the original. Getting one variety may or may not protect you from the others. Some places are giving 3rd shots to the most vulnerable people and some are talking about yearly boosters. In short, natural immunity may not be enough.

How do you expect un-vaccinated folks are going to prove they had Covid? A 'I had Covid Passport'? Without proof, every un-vaccinated person could just say they had Covid to get into anywhere they wanted putting everyone around them at risk.

Government policies aren't science based, they are politically based. A science based approach would be everyone who can get vaccinated gets vaccinated and no one gets to make the decision for themselves. If you can't get vaccinated due to medical reasons, then you're going to need to be repeatedly tested. Every vaccinated and un-vaccinated person has their status added to their drivers licence or other official documentation that includes  a picture. That's not politically palatable.

Personally, I've come to the point where if you're not smart enough to get vaccinated, then you need to be kept away from other people and maybe leave the gene pool. As long as you don't taken anyone with you, I'm fine with it.

Society has the answer and it's free. Adult enough for you?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Blue In BC on August 31, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
I'm really not sure why I bother. Some days it's like I've gone through the looking glass but here goes...

Natural immunity is a proven concepts in science for decades. Denying it exists is like denying evolution or climate change. Furthermore the way a vaccine works is by triggering your body's natural immune system to produce antibodies. Frankly its absurd to think that you wouldn't get lasting natural immunity from getting COVID and it's hardly surprising that this immunity is 14x better than that which you get from a vaccine as the study showed.

If you have a legitimate issue with the way in which this study was conducted I'm welcome to discuss it. But if you'd rather engage in namecalling and ad hominem attacks I suppose that tells us something about you.

It's just blindingly obvious that those who have had COVID are immune for a very long time and you are SAFER being around them than vaccinated people. Excluding them from society (including football games) because they didn't bother getting a redundant vaccination is absolutely idiotic and unscientific.

If you are really concerned about being exposed to COVID after being vaccinated (which in my opinion you have no reason to be but ok) then you should take this paper very seriously because it shows the chance of a vaccinated person spreading COVID to you is much greater than someone who has had it and recovered spreading it to you.

Can we please have an adult conversation in a rational manner about vaccines, immunity and how they work? Or are we just going to keep making policies on the basis of fear, scapegoating and the desire to coerce all people into vaccination regardless of their particular circumstances?

Some days it seems like everyone has lost their mind over this thing.

Natural immunity from covid after an infection is great if it doesn't kill you in the 1st place. Just like Russian roulette. You're more likely to survive if you take ALL the bullets out of the gun.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 31, 2021, 04:25:38 PM
I'm really not sure why I bother. Some days it's like I've gone through the looking glass but here goes...

Natural immunity is a proven concepts in science for decades. Denying it exists is like denying evolution or climate change. Furthermore the way a vaccine works is by triggering your body's natural immune system to produce antibodies. Frankly its absurd to think that you wouldn't get lasting natural immunity from getting COVID and it's hardly surprising that this immunity is 14x better than that which you get from a vaccine as the study showed.

If you have a legitimate issue with the way in which this study was conducted I'm welcome to discuss it. But if you'd rather engage in namecalling and ad hominem attacks I suppose that tells us something about you.

It's just blindingly obvious that those who have had COVID are immune for a very long time and you are SAFER being around them than vaccinated people. Excluding them from society (including football games) because they didn't bother getting a redundant vaccination is absolutely idiotic and unscientific.

If you are really concerned about being exposed to COVID after being vaccinated (which in my opinion you have no reason to be but ok) then you should take this paper very seriously because it shows the chance of a vaccinated person spreading COVID to you is much greater than someone who has had it and recovered spreading it to you.

Can we please have an adult conversation in a rational manner about vaccines, immunity and how they work? Or are we just going to keep making policies on the basis of fear, scapegoating and the desire to coerce all people into vaccination regardless of their particular circumstances?

This is such a bad take. All of that word salad you posted just to tell others you lack the ability to understand how immunology, vaccination, and virology actually function in the real world. Indeed, why do you bother?

Nobody has argued against natural immunity, so you should drop that nonsensical narrative. What you're failing to grasp, either by intent or not, is that vaccination assists immunity by adding a layer of protection to fight viruses, both endemic (various strains of influenza) and novel (COVID-19). It's not an either or scenario as much as you want to frame it that way and the science on vaccination has long been settled, much in the same way evolution and climate change have been. Vaccines work and your insistence to claim otherwise, ignore facts presented by others, and pretend to know better than experts in related scientific fields is what's idiotic and unscientific. Vaccines have a proven track record and the ones designed to fight COVID-19 are no exception.

I mean, the link you posted concludes that vaccination provides additional protection. Did you even read it?

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Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

The article doesn't advocate for not getting vaccinated nor does it claim vaccine are ineffective. Moreover, it's only a single study conducted in a single jurisdiction (Israel) over a limited timeframe (~11 weeks) within specified parameters. And it's all prefaced by saying it hasn't been peer reviewed or evaluated and should not be used in any practical way. There's absolutely nothing to be gained by misrepresenting any aspect of the study.

You pleading to have an "adult conversation" is absurd considering you've posted previously about discrimination, segregation, violation of charter rights, mass surveillance, mistrust of the gov't, communist China, etc. while committing numerous logical fallacies to defend whatever stance it is you've chosen to take here. Being misinformed is troubling enough but don't pretend for a second you want to have a mature or rational conversation.

You claim you're double vaccinated but your commentary on vaccines seems to fly in the face of it. If you're so convinced exposure to the virus is best, why did you get vaccinated? You seem to think vaccines are useless but you've made it a point on at least two occasions to claim you've been vaccinated.

Quote
Some days it seems like everyone has lost their mind over this thing.

Projection is a pretty bad look.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DM83 on August 31, 2021, 10:11:59 PM
Agreed.  How do you play A Team sport and not do what is mandated by the team.  Ya don't want to, get off the team.  Celebrate your independence in hospital dweeb!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ichabod_crane on August 31, 2021, 10:32:37 PM
Covid is like the flu. New varieties all the time. Some, like Delta, are worse than the original. Getting one variety may or may not protect you from the others. Some places are giving 3rd shots to the most vulnerable people and some are talking about yearly boosters. In short, natural immunity may not be enough.

How do you expect un-vaccinated folks are going to prove they had Covid? A 'I had Covid Passport'? Without proof, every un-vaccinated person could just say they had Covid to get into anywhere they wanted putting everyone around them at risk.

Government policies aren't science based, they are politically based. A science based approach would be everyone who can get vaccinated gets vaccinated and no one gets to make the decision for themselves. If you can't get vaccinated due to medical reasons, then you're going to need to be repeatedly tested. Every vaccinated and un-vaccinated person has their status added to their drivers licence or other official documentation that includes  a picture. That's not politically palatable.

Personally, I've come to the point where if you're not smart enough to get vaccinated, then you need to be kept away from other people and maybe leave the gene pool. As long as you don't taken anyone with you, I'm fine with it.

Society has the answer and it's free. Adult enough for you?

ACTUALLY you can get a blood test to see if you have some of the COVID antibodies, although I am not sure for all COVID strains right now. This kind of test has been available since the spring. I verified it with medical authorities at that time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 31, 2021, 11:47:24 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200)

As if this is even a thing... Looking good, Alabamberta! :-\

You know, Bill Gates started the rumour about Ivermectin... but he didn't start until he had managed to get microchips in all the Ivermectin supply...

Can we please start this to stop people from hurting themselves?


Also, vaccine has very limited side effects, the worst is usually like a mild flu, I personally had zero side effects, not even soreness at the jab site.  But Ivermectin, wow... people are getting really sick, and most experience violent and unexpected anal leakage.  People are literally crapping themselves in line at Walmart.  Poison control is getting huge numbers of calls about overdoses of it as well, it is designed to dose animals 10 times our size, so of course you aren't going to be easily able to scale the dosage back...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on September 01, 2021, 01:37:09 AM
NOTE:

Please also avoid spreading unfounded opinions and/or reports on the COVID subject.  You can express a personal opinion or belief but we ask that you do not post articles that purport to be medical fact but have no proven medical information that supports such articles.

COVID is a serious, yet relatively new, disease with many "unknowns" at this time.  Err on the side of caution when posting (in the COVID thread) about this subject.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 01, 2021, 02:19:13 PM
34 new cases yesterday in Manitoba. 233 Last week. 41% form Winnipeg, 32% form the Southern region, and 12% from the Interlake. .2% of people who have at least one shot are getting infected.

Compared to Sask. who had 274 case yesterday and 2 more deaths. This is down from August 28 when they had 371 new cases.

Alberta had 920 new cases, with 4 more deaths, and a TPR of 12.42%.

BC. has over 6,000 active cases with an average of 685 cases per day over the past week.

Can we hold off the 4th wave, with school around the corner.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on September 02, 2021, 01:48:26 AM
4th wave is coming
Just a matter of when and how bad


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 02, 2021, 03:54:47 AM
at 80% vaccinated, it still leaves over 200k vulnerable to getting the disease and having bad outcomes....

We need 100% vaccine rates


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 02, 2021, 05:49:34 AM
100% vaccine rate is a pipe dream. Never will happen.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: gobombersgo on September 02, 2021, 09:47:31 AM
4th wave is coming
Just a matter of when and how bad

4th wave has already arrived in the US and BC and Alberta.

I dont believe Manitoba will be affected much by the 4th wave but there is always the possibility of a 5th wave.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 02, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
4th wave has already arrived in the US and BC and Alberta.

I dont believe Manitoba will be affected much by the 4th wave but there is always the possibility of a 5th wave.

Ontario and Sask. can be add the the list of Provinces in the 4th wave right now. Sask. had another day of over 300 with 321 new cases, and now nearly 2400 active cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 02, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
36 cases today in Manitoba, with 2 deaths. 15 of those cases are in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's TPR is 1.5%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 02, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid)

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Researchers at King's College London analysed data from participants logging their symptoms, tests and vaccines on the UK ZOE COVID Symptom Study app between 8th December 2020 and 4 July 2021, including 1,240,009 (first dose) and 971,504 (second dose) vaccinated UK adults. The research team assessed a range of factors, including age, frailty and areas of deprivation and compared that with post-vaccination infection.

The study, published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases, found that in the unlikely event of catching COVID-19 after being double vaccinated, the risk of Long COVID was reduced by almost half. There were also fewer hospitalisations (73% less likely) and lower burden of acute symptoms (31% less likely) among those fully vaccinated. The nature of the most common symptoms were similar to unvaccinated adults ? e.g. anosmia,(loss of smell) cough, fever, headaches, and fatigue. All these symptoms were milder and less frequently reported by people who were vaccinated, and they were half as likely to get multiple symptoms in the first week of illness. Sneezing was the only symptom which was more commonly reported in vaccinated people with COVID-19.

Oh, look... Vaccines work.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 02, 2021, 11:30:14 PM
https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/double-vaccination-halves-risk-of-long-covid)

Oh, look... Vaccines work.

That study looked at barely 2 million people, and only in the UK... you can understand people still being wary.  Over 5 billion doses administered, there could still be side effects...

Of course, I am joking.  There is absolutely no reason a sentient being should doubt the safety and efficacy of these vaccines, none.

And I really don't understand anyone having a "religious objection", with the exception of Christian Scientists, who will refuse both the vaccine AND medical treatment should they catch COVID.  Anyone refusing vaccines should be refused treatment, or triaged behind any other vaccinated patient needing any treatment.  These deaths of unvaccinated people that continue happening are totally preventable...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 03, 2021, 09:53:22 PM
56 new cases today, 23 in the southern region, 20 in Winnipeg.

Alberta putting masks back on. Also offering $100.00 for each jab.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 07, 2021, 07:30:48 PM
36 new cases today in Manitoba. 19 of those in Winnipeg. We also have a TPR of 1.4%

On the other hand the Southern Region had 10 cases, all unvaccinated, and 4 deaths.

In total we lost 6 more people over the last reporting period.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 08, 2021, 02:22:25 AM
New dashboard shows vaccinated status, looking at the charts, the biggest wedges of the pie are coming from a 20% of the province that is unvaccinated... amazing illustration of the fact vaccines work.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/updates/cases.html


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 08, 2021, 12:44:35 PM
Nice to see vaccine appointments are going up again in Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 02:53:04 AM
52 new cases today in Manitoba. 14 of those cases are in Winnipeg, 26 are in the Southern Region.

84% of the cases in hospital are unvaccinated. Another 10% are only partially vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on September 09, 2021, 01:03:16 PM
Nice to see vaccine appointments are going up again in Manitoba.

That's good to hear.

Vaccine restrictions are the only thing that works at this point. Although it was nice to see Trudeau rail against misinformation last night.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 09, 2021, 01:30:03 PM
52 new cases today in Manitoba. 14 of those cases are in Winnipeg, 26 are in the Southern Region.

84% of the cases in hospital are unvaccinated. Another 10% are only partially vaccinated.

Of the 12 in ICU, 11 are unvaccinated, and the other is vaccine status unknown...

anyone have stats on the populations of "Winnipeg" and "Southern Region"?  I'm thinking Winnipeg is a little more population... yet Southern has double the cases.  Wonder what the connection is there... ;)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 05:19:30 PM
Well there is just over 700,000 people in Winnipeg, The Southern Health Region around 50,000,


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 05:24:26 PM
Manitoba had another 54 cases today, with 21 in Winnipeg, and another 16 in the Southern Region. 1 more death which bring us to 1199. TPR in Winnipeg still at 1.4 %.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 09, 2021, 06:13:10 PM
My cousin in Sask. just informed me that his mothers nursing home will start booster shots on September 21.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 09, 2021, 07:42:52 PM
Well there is just over 700,000 people in Winnipeg, The Southern Health Region around 50,000,

so 21/700000 is the Winnipeg spread rate 0.00003

16/50000 is the Southern spread rate 0.00032

100 times the spread rate per capita in southern over Winnipeg


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 11, 2021, 02:55:12 AM
105 cases today, and another death which brings us up to 1200. 1200 deaths is far to many.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 12, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quebec nearing 1000 cases per day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 13, 2021, 04:58:56 PM
171 new cases of covid report in Manitoba over the last three day, and two more deaths. Compared to Sask. who report 420 new cases yesterday, we are holding our own.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 14, 2021, 05:54:57 PM
41 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba. 21 in the South, 12 in Winnipeg, with 3 deaths. Winnipeg TPR is 1.6%.

Yesterday Sask. 449 new cases, and 4 more deaths. Still only about 70% of there population has been fully vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 15, 2021, 05:53:33 PM
49 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 20 of those cases in Winnipeg. 69 people in Hospital, and 15 in the ICU. 2 more deaths.

Yesterday: Sask. reporting 506 new cases, nearly 4000 active cases, 225 in hospital, and 43 in ICU. 20% in kids 0-11 years.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 15, 2021, 09:06:58 PM
49 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 20 of those cases in Winnipeg. 69 people in Hospital, and 15 in the ICU. 2 more deaths.

Yesterday: Sask. reporting 506 new cases, nearly 4000 active cases, 225 in hospital, and 43 in ICU. 20% in kids 0-11 years.

Wonder if we are going to be called upon to take in cases from AB, ON or SSK... knock on wood, our ICU's have capacity.  I really, really hope we don't need to take in overflow, but we do owe them... and from a kharma standpoint should return the favour. 

In the meantime, I hope that our ICU personnel are getting some R&R with the reduced demand on their resources, with school back in we will probably see a spike shortly.  Luckily vaccines will reduce ICU need dramatically, we will need to have many times the cases we had before to need the same ICU resources...

We're doing a good job holding down the spread, I really hope that the new PC leader doesn't eff it all up trying to cater to a few votes from vocal minorities outside the city.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 16, 2021, 04:10:17 AM
Alberta has already asked Manitoba if they would be able to take some ICU patients. There ICU's are quickly filling up.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 16, 2021, 02:16:42 PM
Alberta has already asked Manitoba if they would be able to take some ICU patients. There ICU's are quickly filling up.

Alberta is a mess right now. All because of poor leadership.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 17, 2021, 02:49:02 AM
Alberta is a mess right now. All because of poor leadership.

Agree, and the same can be said about Sask. Opened way to early, dropped the masks, even as vaccines had stalled.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on September 19, 2021, 12:36:12 AM
4th wave crushing part of Western Canada


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 19, 2021, 04:13:43 PM
4th wave crushing part of Western Canada

The 4th wave has been in Western Canada for awhile now.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 19, 2021, 07:19:32 PM
Alberta with 1,718 cases today, nearly 900 people in hospital, and about 225 in ICU.

Sask. with 543 cases today, 249 in hospital, and 55 ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 20, 2021, 01:37:58 PM
Alberta with 1,718 cases today, nearly 900 people in hospital, and about 225 in ICU.

Sask. with 543 cases today, 249 in hospital, and 55 ICU.

Man 88 cases today, 37 in hospital, and 7 ICU

Well done Manitoba..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 20, 2021, 05:08:52 PM
42 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today. Winnipeg has 15 new cases and a TPR of 1.1%.

66 in hospital, but only 32 are active Covid cases, the other 34 are no longer infectious. 8 people in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 20, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
We have fewer active cases than many provinces have in daily new infections...

We have to stay the course, keep mandates in place and be vigilant.  We won't get to 100% vaccinated, but we can get closer every time someone realizes someone they knew just died from COVID, or they are denied a service because of vaccine status.  The holdouts will crack eventually, or get COVID...

Did I hear somewhere that they are considering giving vaccine status to people that have recovered from COVID?  Because they would have antibodies naturally?  Would that cause people to have COVID parties to get it?  Would there be people who would rather get COVID, risk death or the debilitating Long COVID, just to avoid 2 little needles?   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 21, 2021, 06:35:51 PM
66 cases of Covid today, with 1 death. Hospital and ICU pretty much the same as Monday.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 22, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
Our numbers are up, not like other provinces, but up significantly... mostly unvaccinated, mostly outside Winnipeg as a % of population...

We have to stay vigilant in the city, masks and vaccines are doing the job...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 22, 2021, 06:37:21 PM
70 new cases today in Manitoba. 28 in Winnipeg, 24 in the South, 12 in Prairie Mountain. 1 more death.

Up 2 more in the hospital, and 1 more in ICU. 60 of the people infected were not fully vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on September 23, 2021, 01:07:35 AM
Going to see 100 soon


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 23, 2021, 04:07:51 AM
Today in Alberta over 1,000 in hospital, 230 in the ICU, 20 more deaths including an 18 year old female.

1336 new cases in Alberta today, and a TPR of 9.2%.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 23, 2021, 05:49:34 PM
Dropped down a couple of cases today. 67 new cases in Manitoba today. 14 in Winnipeg, 12 in the Prairie Mountain region, 28 in the South. Two more deaths and only 9 in the ICU receiving treatment for Covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 24, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Going to see 100 soon

Hoping you are wrong... more vaccine out there every day... mask mandates holding, and the Southern resistance isn't manifesting horribly yet...  if we do break 100, it will be from the south...

Saw a tweet from someone who came to Winnipeg and was releaved to see people being civil to business owners who are enforcing the mandates... apparently that isn't the case in some areas south of the city...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 25, 2021, 03:37:44 AM
60 cases today in Manitoba. The numbers are going down again.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 25, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
Currently the southern region has 70 active cases for 100,000 people. Winnipeg has 20 active cases for 800,000 people. Southern Region also have the lowest vaccination rates.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 25, 2021, 06:52:46 PM
Southern region also has the highest rates of health regulation non-compliance, and aggression towards businesses who abide by the rules...

Can't they figure out what they are doing is NOT working?  Do they have to exhaust their supply of Ivermectin first?

Good to see Monstrsity Burger reaping from what they've sown...  I just don't get it, the gov't has given them every chance...  and I bet they are taking the CERB loans / grants  / subsidies, and will be asking for more if they get 100% shut down, which should be happening any day now...

I'm so happy that we have so few science deniers and maskholes in Winnipeg.  It is sad. though, that the "Mask Exception Card" lady that has gone viral on social media is from Winnipeg.  I've had only one person come in saying they were exempt from masks, and no one with a "card".  We have received the "Notice" from the Queen of Canada insisting we stop enforcing the mask mandate, which was great for a giggle. 

If we stay vigilant, and if they bring in vaccine mandate for plane and interprovincial train/bus travel, I can see us holding a cap on things, keeping new cases low, creeping vaccine compliance up to over 90% and having a hospital system that can take care of urgent non-Covid cases and surgeries. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 27, 2021, 06:56:05 PM
Manitoba's 5 days Covid report shows, 366 new cases. 108 in Winnipeg, 150 in the South, 55 in Prairie  Mountain, 25 in the North, 28 in the Interlake.

93 cases today.  We currently have 77 people in hospital, and 14 in ICU with active covid. Winnipeg's TPR is 1.2%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 27, 2021, 07:40:27 PM
It will be interesting to see if the Jets game has any fallout... apparently the vaccine checks were spotty, and exposure time / proximity / ventilation in the rink vs. IGF is drastically different. 

I know they were all supposed to be vaxxed, but that doesn't stop asymptomatic infection of breakthroughs... especially with the double AZ coverage being acceptable.  May not add to hospitalizations or ICU, but can cause an uptick of cases.  Have to wonder if they will be contact tracing, or announcing the seat/section of any new cases so people can get tested...

I have an appointment scheduled with my doc to get a third shot on top on my 2xAZ, an mRNA booster should help a lot...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 28, 2021, 01:28:53 PM
With the 4th. wave final hitting Manitoba, we still have some good news. Now over 80% of Manitoba is double vaccinated. 84.6% has one shot. ICU numbers are still pretty low. Winnipeg's covid numbers are still low and our TPR is 1.2%.

Stanley Manitoba are still sitting in the low 20's for vaccinations.

The Winkler area schools are still not offering vaccinations. Sad.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 28, 2021, 02:37:21 PM
With the 4th. wave final hitting Manitoba, we still have some good news. Now over 80% of Manitoba is double vaccinated. 84.6% has one shot. ICU numbers are still pretty low. Winnipeg's covid numbers are still low and our TPR is 1.2%.

Stanley Manitoba are still sitting in the low 20's for vaccinations.

The Winkler area schools are still has no offering vaccinations. Sad.




/RANT

Can we succeed everything south of the perimeter to North Dakota?

Can't these people read the numbers?  In a densely populated city 10 times their population, we are having fewer infections, and lower hospitalizatios/ICU by a factor of 10 based on population. 

I'm still looking for the bible passage that prevents vaccines.  I get it for those religious sects who refuse all medical intervention, because they will not end up in ICUs, and that's fine.  But those that refuse vaccine but then clog up the hospitals, that's is just wrong in so many ways.  All unvaccinated people should now be offered an option of vaccine or DNR.  If they think vaccines that have been shown safe and effective by the medical community are not for them, then they cannot accept medical intervention from those same sources.  Should they get sick, ICU should be off limits.  Sure, we will hospitalize them, but if it comes to a point where they need ICU / intubation, sorry, you had your chance.  People choose not to have heroic life extending measures every day. 

DNR's are not unusual, they are life choices. Life saving vaccines are there for them, free and safe.  If you don't want vaccine, sign the DNR.

/rant


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 28, 2021, 05:05:59 PM
Only 42 new cases in Manitoba today. 16 in Winnipeg, and 17 in the Southern Region. 2 more deaths.

Covid test locations in Winnipeg are experiencing long line ups.

All patients in the ICU that are being treated for active Covid have NOT been vaccinated.

Sask had 398 new cases yesterday. 29% of those cases are children under 11.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 28, 2021, 07:44:10 PM
Only 42 new cases in Manitoba today. 16 in Winnipeg, and 17 in the Southern Region. 2 more deaths.

Covid test locations in Winnipeg are experiencing long line ups.

All patients in the ICU that are being treated for active Covid have NOT been vaccinated.

Sask had 398 new cases yesterday. 29% of those cases are children under 11.

Long testing lineups due to the fact it is cold and flu season.  And while students might not be COVID vectors at present, they definitely transmit rhinoviruses that people worry about having similar symptoms to COVID...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 28, 2021, 11:21:57 PM
Some Sask. nursing homes require the 15 minute quick test before entering there buildings, even if your vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 29, 2021, 02:17:15 PM
Some Sask. nursing homes require the 15 minute quick test before entering there buildings, even if your vaccinated.

Have to protect the vulnerable, even if THEY are vaccinated... good move, we should do the same.  Third doses should be mandatory for all nursing home residents and workers... we have plenty of vaccine, no reason not to have suspenders AND a belt..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 29, 2021, 10:12:10 PM
114 new cases today in Manitoba. All 14 patients in the ICU are not fully vaccinated. The 10 top communities for Covid are in the Southern or Northern regions.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 30, 2021, 04:06:54 PM
114 new cases, most in the south, with just a fraction of the populaton.

I don't have exact numbers, but I'm sure if someone crunched them, we'd see that the actual number (not percentage) of unvaccinated people in the south is similar to in Winnipeg, yet cases are higher.  Clear example of herd immunity at work, in the south, just about everyone you meet is a risk, and protocols are far from stringently followed. 

hey need to lockdown / red alert the south... not that any will follow the directives, but just the threat might spike vaccine uptake. 

Again, still not understanding how you can have a religious objection to vaccine, yet accept medical intervention when you get sick.  The prevention is far less intrusive and invasive than the treatment is. 

People being treated for a preventable disease should be charged for their health care.  Doesn't have to be 100% of the care (you do not want to know what a long term ICU bed costs per day) but at least a substantial part of that.  THAT is a deterrent that can work.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 30, 2021, 06:03:05 PM
Well the number breakdown is: 44 in the Southern Region, 25 in Winnipeg, 21 in the North, 16 in the Prairie Mountain Region. So the North really isn't doing that well either. 

Vaccination in Winkler around 41%. Vaccination in Stanley, less then 25%.

There are 20 people in the ICU right now, 10 are from the Southern Region.

The number just don't lie.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 30, 2021, 10:07:08 PM
Alberta bring in nurse's and the military to help with there 20,000 active cases, and over 1000 in hospital.

Alberta had 1706 new cases today and they have over 300 in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2021, 05:00:41 PM
Hey, Southern region... this is for you...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8236133/new-manitoba-covid-19-health-orders-target-unvaccinated-southern-health-district/

Under the new rules indoor household gatherings will be limited to guests from one other household when any unvaccinated person who is eligible for the shots is on the property.

Households will also be limited to 10 guests outdoors when an unvaccinated person who is eligible is present.

Indoor public gatherings that include eligible but unvaccinated people will be capped at 25 people or 25 per cent capacity, although there will be a one-week grace period for weddings and funerals.

Across the province, outdoor public gatherings will be capped at 50 people. But large, gated events that require proof of vaccination like Winnipeg Blue Bomber games and concerts will be allowed to go ahead as planned, officials said.

Indoor faith-based gatherings that decide to include eligible but unvaccinated people will be limited to 25 people or 33 per cent capacity under the new orders.

And finally the orders will see retail capacity reduced to 50 per cent in the Southern Health region, where vaccination rates are lower than the rest of the province.

He warned future changes may include requiring those eligible to be vaccinated to provide proof of vaccination to take part in indoor recreational activities.

The moves announced Friday are needed to protect health-care capacity as the province moves into the fourth wave of the pandemic, Roussin added.

He said COVID-19 hospitalizations have jumped 26 per cent in the past week with ICUs seeing a 17 per cent increase in admissions connected to the virus.
In a further effort to protect ICU capacity, health officials announced new patient protocols Friday that could see lower-acuity patients moved to facilities in other parts of the province where bed space is available.

?Patients admitted to a hospital or health-care facility for care will be assessed for their individual care requirements and may be transferred to the most appropriate facility in Manitoba with the capacity to meet their needs,? a release from the province explains.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on October 01, 2021, 05:42:41 PM
Hey, Southern region... this is for you...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8236133/new-manitoba-covid-19-health-orders-target-unvaccinated-southern-health-district/

Under the new rules indoor household gatherings will be limited to guests from one other household when any unvaccinated person who is eligible for the shots is on the property.

Households will also be limited to 10 guests outdoors when an unvaccinated person who is eligible is present.

Indoor public gatherings that include eligible but unvaccinated people will be capped at 25 people or 25 per cent capacity, although there will be a one-week grace period for weddings and funerals.

Across the province, outdoor public gatherings will be capped at 50 people. But large, gated events that require proof of vaccination like Winnipeg Blue Bomber games and concerts will be allowed to go ahead as planned, officials said.

Indoor faith-based gatherings that decide to include eligible but unvaccinated people will be limited to 25 people or 33 per cent capacity under the new orders.

And finally the orders will see retail capacity reduced to 50 per cent in the Southern Health region, where vaccination rates are lower than the rest of the province.

He warned future changes may include requiring those eligible to be vaccinated to provide proof of vaccination to take part in indoor recreational activities.

The moves announced Friday are needed to protect health-care capacity as the province moves into the fourth wave of the pandemic, Roussin added.

He said COVID-19 hospitalizations have jumped 26 per cent in the past week with ICUs seeing a 17 per cent increase in admissions connected to the virus.
In a further effort to protect ICU capacity, health officials announced new patient protocols Friday that could see lower-acuity patients moved to facilities in other parts of the province where bed space is available.

?Patients admitted to a hospital or health-care facility for care will be assessed for their individual care requirements and may be transferred to the most appropriate facility in Manitoba with the capacity to meet their needs,? a release from the province explains.



All of these rule changes for private residences are next to impossible to enforce and aren't going to curb behaviour at all.

Kind of a waste of breath.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 01, 2021, 05:42:48 PM
Hey, Southern region... this is for you...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8236133/new-manitoba-covid-19-health-orders-target-unvaccinated-southern-health-district/

Under the new rules indoor household gatherings will be limited to guests from one other household when any unvaccinated person who is eligible for the shots is on the property.

Households will also be limited to 10 guests outdoors when an unvaccinated person who is eligible is present.

Indoor public gatherings that include eligible but unvaccinated people will be capped at 25 people or 25 per cent capacity, although there will be a one-week grace period for weddings and funerals.

Across the province, outdoor public gatherings will be capped at 50 people. But large, gated events that require proof of vaccination like Winnipeg Blue Bomber games and concerts will be allowed to go ahead as planned, officials said.

Indoor faith-based gatherings that decide to include eligible but unvaccinated people will be limited to 25 people or 33 per cent capacity under the new orders.

And finally the orders will see retail capacity reduced to 50 per cent in the Southern Health region, where vaccination rates are lower than the rest of the province.

He warned future changes may include requiring those eligible to be vaccinated to provide proof of vaccination to take part in indoor recreational activities.

The moves announced Friday are needed to protect health-care capacity as the province moves into the fourth wave of the pandemic, Roussin added.

He said COVID-19 hospitalizations have jumped 26 per cent in the past week with ICUs seeing a 17 per cent increase in admissions connected to the virus.
In a further effort to protect ICU capacity, health officials announced new patient protocols Friday that could see lower-acuity patients moved to facilities in other parts of the province where bed space is available.

?Patients admitted to a hospital or health-care facility for care will be assessed for their individual care requirements and may be transferred to the most appropriate facility in Manitoba with the capacity to meet their needs,? a release from the province explains.



Totally agree with what you are says, but you are preaching to the choir. There is probably only a very small percentage on this board that have not be fully vaccinated. Most of the people in the Southern Region who are not vaccinated probably don't even know what a football is. It's very frustrating but that is not a lot we can do. My wife has cancelled at least 20 surgeries last month dues to the fact people didn't get vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on October 01, 2021, 06:40:40 PM
The people they are trying to affect are the exact same people who never changed any of their lifestyle or behaviour at any point in the last 18 months and will continue to be that way, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2021, 07:26:59 PM
The fact that the rule is in place allows for inspectors to raid and fine people.  Not a fun position to be in, or get into, but once it happens a few times, you can bet attitudes will change.  And in cases where there are some vaccinated people attending, yo can bet they will stop unvaccinated people from joining, possibly pressuring those people to get vaccinated...

Reducing "Faith based" gatherings is a direct hit... I still am waiting for any faith to explain why COVID vaccine is against God, yet every other vaccine that came before was welcomed... 

"Indoor faith-based gatherings that decide to include eligible but unvaccinated people will be limited to 25 people or 33 per cent capacity under the new orders."



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on October 01, 2021, 08:45:59 PM
These news rule will help but agree need strict enforcement and we don't have the resources to do that

Hope it get a few more to get their jabs

I hope to get a booster in January


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 01, 2021, 09:04:42 PM
New in...

https://canadianmennonite.org/noexemptions

Mennonite Church Canada?s executive ministers released a statement earlier this week responding to inquiries from constituents regarding exemption from COVID-19 vaccines.

The message, signed by Doug Klassen (Mennonite Church Canada), Garry Janzen (MC B.C.), Tim Wiebe-Neufeld (MC Alberta), Ryan Siemens (MC Saskatchewan), Michael Pahl (MC Manitoba) and Leah Reesor-Keller (MC Eastern Canada), states the following:

?For a religious exemption to be granted, rationale for exemption must be clearly indicated within our sacred texts or confessional statements.

?We wish to clarify that there is nothing in the Bible, in our historic confessions of faith, in our theology or in our ecclesiology that justifies granting a religious exemption from vaccinations against COVID-19.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on October 02, 2021, 12:16:01 AM
New in...

https://canadianmennonite.org/noexemptions

Mennonite Church Canada?s executive ministers released a statement earlier this week responding to inquiries from constituents regarding exemption from COVID-19 vaccines.

The message, signed by Doug Klassen (Mennonite Church Canada), Garry Janzen (MC B.C.), Tim Wiebe-Neufeld (MC Alberta), Ryan Siemens (MC Saskatchewan), Michael Pahl (MC Manitoba) and Leah Reesor-Keller (MC Eastern Canada), states the following:

?For a religious exemption to be granted, rationale for exemption must be clearly indicated within our sacred texts or confessional statements.

?We wish to clarify that there is nothing in the Bible, in our historic confessions of faith, in our theology or in our ecclesiology that justifies granting a religious exemption from vaccinations against COVID-19.
Nice


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 02, 2021, 07:13:54 PM
2 more deaths, both in the Southern Region.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 02, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
How do people in the southern region not understand the situation when they keep losing their elderly residents to this horrible disease...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 03, 2021, 07:46:50 PM
As of Friday 181 cases in our schools. 155 students, 26 staff. A Steinbach and a Brandon School lead the way both with 14 cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 04, 2021, 05:38:36 PM
Over the last three days the Southern Region has had 122 new case, Winnipeg 87, the North 48, and the Prairie Region 42.

Today in Manitoba there are 83 new cases. 29 in the Southern Region, 23 in Winnipeg.

The TPR in Manitoba is 3.7% and 1.5% in Winnipeg.

There currently 98 people in hospital, 64 active cases. 19 in the ICU, with 13 active cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 04, 2021, 06:17:50 PM
Case are reported after a positive test... I'd like to see how many of those tests were ar test sites in each region, and how many were tests to confirm covid after admission to hospital...

I bet there are a lot more cases out there in the non-city districts, just not being reported because until they need medical intervention, they are not seeking a test. 

I think we need to be far more concerned about the numbers than we are...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 05, 2021, 05:13:24 PM
102 new cases today in Manitoba. 47 not vaccinated, 10 partly vaccinated, 45 fully vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 05, 2021, 06:56:35 PM
102 new cases today in Manitoba. 47 not vaccinated, 10 partly vaccinated, 45 fully vaccinated.

When 20% of the population makes up 55% of your cases and 95% of your ICU... the numbers and reasons are so shockingly clear. 

The hubris of the unvaccinated, believing in their God and their immune systems to protect them, when the people charged with shepherding them for their God say "Get the poke", and the doctors in charge of immune systems say "Get the poke"...

C'mon people, get the poke(s). 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 06, 2021, 06:40:13 PM
Niece finished breast feeding on Sunday. Got her first shot today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 06, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
95 today, back under 100. 

0% in ICU fully vaxxed.

10,000 shots today... over the 10k mark for the first time in a while... have to wonder how many are 3rd shots, though.  I'm asking my Doc for shot 3, if she says no, then Nov 22, I can get one anyway, 6 months after last dose of 2 AZ shots.  I'm happy being double vaxxed, but I'd prefer to have some mRNA on top of the AZ...  just in case...  and I might even look for dose 4 because I am traveling to Florida in Feb...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 06, 2021, 09:53:02 PM
The wife and I are getting are third shots on Friday. I was hoping to wait a bit longer, and not a Bomber game day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 07, 2021, 02:57:14 AM
Sask. really having some problems right now.

478 new cases today, and 7 more deaths. 356 in hospital, and 76 in there ICU.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 07, 2021, 05:26:41 PM
In the last three days in Manitoba we have had 329 new cases. 86 in the Southern Region, 79 in Winnipeg, 67 in Prairie Mountain, 68 in the North, and 29 in the Interlake.

We have 85 people in hospital, and 45 of those are active covid cases.

We have 15 people in the ICU, 9 of those are active covid cases.

Winnipeg TPR remains at 1.5%.

132 new cases today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 07, 2021, 07:29:17 PM
WoW, 650 new cases of Covid in Sask. today. They are also racking up the deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 07, 2021, 09:23:50 PM
I'm not getting the "religious objection" concept of anti-vaxxers.  The Mennonite church has come out as pro-vax, and stated there there is no basis for a "religious objection".  And there are people asking that we don't demonize Mennonites because some are anti-vax.

Is it enough that the church has stated there is no basis for a religious objection, even though their members still claim it?  Do they need to be more proactive, and tell members to stop it or risk being ex-communicated?  If a member claimed a religious exemption without foundation to dispute a seat belt law, would the church allow it?  Or if someone claimed their DUI was subject to a religious exemption?  Or any other violation?

These pockets of self righteous antivaxers put us all at risk.  This is where variants develop, this is where breakthroughs come from, someone gets infected and then goes out into the rest of the province, spreading it like Typhoid Mary. 

We are so close to beating this, the number for Winnipeg are so small, 3 per 100,000... while southern district is 7 times that high, and probably a lot higher due to a lot of unreported cases. 

I'm not sure what we need to do to fix this, 5 billion doses, and the rest of the world begging for vaccine, and we have it here going bad, hoping these people come and get it.

Its just sad, especially when you see someone in their 100's die from it, after surviving everything else for 100 years, succumbing to this? 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 08, 2021, 03:13:32 AM
It could get very interesting after Thanksgiving.

Currently we are sitting at 86% single vac, 82% double vac.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 08, 2021, 03:17:21 PM
Just got my third shot this morning. Ask my Dr. if I get cash or prizes for my third shot. He said you get to live longer, this is your prize.  Starting to get a little bit of a headache, other then that feeling pretty good. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on October 08, 2021, 04:46:53 PM
I'm not getting the "religious objection" concept of anti-vaxxers.  The Mennonite church has come out as pro-vax, and stated there there is no basis for a "religious objection".  And there are people asking that we don't demonize Mennonites because some are anti-vax.

Is it enough that the church has stated there is no basis for a religious objection, even though their members still claim it?  Do they need to be more proactive, and tell members to stop it or risk being ex-communicated?  If a member claimed a religious exemption without foundation to dispute a seat belt law, would the church allow it?  Or if someone claimed their DUI was subject to a religious exemption?  Or any other violation?

These pockets of self righteous antivaxers put us all at risk.  This is where variants develop, this is where breakthroughs come from, someone gets infected and then goes out into the rest of the province, spreading it like Typhoid Mary. 

We are so close to beating this, the number for Winnipeg are so small, 3 per 100,000... while southern district is 7 times that high, and probably a lot higher due to a lot of unreported cases. 

I'm not sure what we need to do to fix this, 5 billion doses, and the rest of the world begging for vaccine, and we have it here going bad, hoping these people come and get it.

Its just sad, especially when you see someone in their 100's die from it, after surviving everything else for 100 years, succumbing to this? 

I'll break down the argument and then post the reality:

Argument:
The vaccine is made from aborted fetal cells, and the Mennonite Church would not support abortion. (When mentioning the Mennonite Church, this does not refer to all Mennonites, but rather a denomination called Mennonite Church Canada). By not granting the religious exemption, the Mennonite Church is participating in benefiting from evil and forcing vaccinations - because by refusing to grant religious exemptions they are saying that they believe everyone should be forced to partake in using those aborted fetal cells and are refusing to honor people's strong objections to having any part in it.

The Reality (My response to the argument):

I believe it is a bit more nuanced than straightforward. I'm pro-life and support pregnancy care centers, for the record.

When it comes to vaccines in general it is true that there have been aborted fetal cells in the 70's & 80's which were used to multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, these new cells are used.

If you want to argue that since the beginning was evil the outcome is evil, I'll concede that ground, but not agree. I am not arguing that the ends justify the means. I'll provide a biblical example to try and explain my comment a bit more:

It was evil what Joseph's brothers did to him, God used it to save a nation.

It was evil what Pharroh did in demanding that all boys be killed (and many were), God used it to insert Mosses into that situation and save a nation.
These same cells are used in the manufacturing of chickenpox, rubella, Hep A, rabies, etc.

"but because by refusing to grant religious exemptions they are saying that they believe everyone should be forced to partake in using those aborted fetal cells and are refusing to honor people's strong objections to having any part in it"

I'd like to break down the quote in a couple of sections:
1) Procedurally, they are legally correct that they must use sacred texts (with proof texts) to put into their constitution and/or bylaws. Many churches worked through that procedurally when it came to LGBTQ2 marriages to protect themselves from lawsuits.

When it comes to vaccine exemptions based on religion, the same process would have to be taken. They would have to find, quote and directly correlate those biblical proof texts (it has to be an unequivocal straight line with very little room for alternate interpretation) and cite them in their constitution/bylaws to have a legal leg to stand on.

2) Refusing to grant religious exemptions is not the same thing as saying everyone needs to be forced to take a vaccine. That argument could possibly be made if they were also only holding services for those vaccinated. But still, then it would be a hard argument to win, as the church or denominational leaders could say that they are not forcing anyone to take the vaccine, rather saying that their stance is not to grant vaccine exemptions, and people are still able to attend a different church.

I probably won't respond to many of the comments on this, at least not today as I get ready to drive into WPG.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on October 08, 2021, 05:58:31 PM
We need to be aware of the rules (Code of Conduct) here which precludes political and religious views in discussions.

Specifically the Code of Conduct states:

"Please avoid political and religious discussions. In order to avoid argument, if it is not directly related to the Blue Bombers, do not discuss political, religious or off-topic issues. This forum is dedicated to the Blue Bombers and related issues. While we support the right of free speech, our forums are not here to support political parties or their initiatives, individual politicians, or any religious affiliation. We reserve the right to remove all posts that violate this policy without notice."

While religious views are pertinent to the current COVID situation, please respect the fact that the forums here are not the venue to have an unfettered discussion that involves religious opinion.

Hope everyone understands.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Donny C on October 08, 2021, 06:34:24 PM
We need to be aware of the rules (Code of Conduct) here which precludes political and religious views in discussions.

Specifically the Code of Conduct states:

"Please avoid political and religious discussions. In order to avoid argument, if it is not directly related to the Blue Bombers, do not discuss political, religious or off-topic issues. This forum is dedicated to the Blue Bombers and related issues. While we support the right of free speech, our forums are not here to support political parties or their initiatives, individual politicians, or any religious affiliation. We reserve the right to remove all posts that violate this policy without notice."

While religious views are pertinent to the current COVID situation, please respect the fact that the forums here are not the venue to have an unfettered discussion that involves religious opinion.

Hope everyone understands.


My bad!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 08, 2021, 06:35:02 PM
Manitoba saw 130 new cases today. and 2 more deaths. The Southern Health Regions is still topping the leader board with 43 new cases. 33 new cases in the North, 20 in Winnipeg, and 18 in the Interlake, and 16 in Prairie Mountain region.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 08, 2021, 07:50:18 PM
I'll break down the argument and then post the reality:

Argument:
The vaccine is made from aborted fetal cells, and the Mennonite Church would not support abortion. (When mentioning the Mennonite Church, this does not refer to all Mennonites, but rather a denomination called Mennonite Church Canada). By not granting the religious exemption, the Mennonite Church is participating in benefiting from evil and forcing vaccinations - because by refusing to grant religious exemptions they are saying that they believe everyone should be forced to partake in using those aborted fetal cells and are refusing to honor people's strong objections to having any part in it.

The Reality (My response to the argument):

I believe it is a bit more nuanced than straightforward. I'm pro-life and support pregnancy care centers, for the record.

When it comes to vaccines in general it is true that there have been aborted fetal cells in the 70's & 80's which were used to multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, these new cells are used.

If you want to argue that since the beginning was evil the outcome is evil, I'll concede that ground, but not agree. I am not arguing that the ends justify the means. I'll provide a biblical example to try and explain my comment a bit more:

It was evil what Joseph's brothers did to him, God used it to save a nation.

It was evil what Pharroh did in demanding that all boys be killed (and many were), God used it to insert Mosses into that situation and save a nation.
These same cells are used in the manufacturing of chickenpox, rubella, Hep A, rabies, etc.

"but because by refusing to grant religious exemptions they are saying that they believe everyone should be forced to partake in using those aborted fetal cells and are refusing to honor people's strong objections to having any part in it"

I'd like to break down the quote in a couple of sections:
1) Procedurally, they are legally correct that they must use sacred texts (with proof texts) to put into their constitution and/or bylaws. Many churches worked through that procedurally when it came to LGBTQ2 marriages to protect themselves from lawsuits.

When it comes to vaccine exemptions based on religion, the same process would have to be taken. They would have to find, quote and directly correlate those biblical proof texts (it has to be an unequivocal straight line with very little room for alternate interpretation) and cite them in their constitution/bylaws to have a legal leg to stand on.

2) Refusing to grant religious exemptions is not the same thing as saying everyone needs to be forced to take a vaccine. That argument could possibly be made if they were also only holding services for those vaccinated. But still, then it would be a hard argument to win, as the church or denominational leaders could say that they are not forcing anyone to take the vaccine, rather saying that their stance is not to grant vaccine exemptions, and people are still able to attend a different church.

I probably won't respond to many of the comments on this, at least not today as I get ready to drive into WPG.


I get that the whole "aborted fetal cells" argument, except that mRNA do not use them at all in their production, they were used early on in testing only.  AZ and J&J do use them as part of production, but none remain in the final injection.  So none of the vaccines contain them.

I guess my thought is, if you don't want to take the vaccine for whatever reason, religious or not, that is your prerogative.  But if you decide to not take the vaccine, you do not get the rights and freedoms of the vaccinated, just because you have "an excuse". 

If you choose not to do a drivers test, you do not get a drivers license and thereby cannot drive.  You can't say "I object to testing" and then demand to be allowed to drive.  Examples of this kind of thing are plenty in our regulated society.  If your dog doesn't have its "Kennel cough" vaccine, it can't got to many doggy daycares or groomers.  Can you demand that your dog be allowed in without its vaccine?  Nope.   Immunization records are required for all schools, because MMR outbreaks are deadly, and MMR vaccines are safe. 

The whole vaccine issue does not seem to be a problem in most of the world, except for supply.  Most places would take every dose they could get their hands on, and have more than enough arms to put them in.  Somehow, in North America, it has become a political issue, with the far right using it as a hill to die on (literally).  It is truly unfortunate that hundreds of thousands of people are dying unnecessarily, because a few idiots chose this as a way to differentiate themselves to try and garner votes. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 10, 2021, 02:41:28 AM
Yesterday Alberts had 1256 new cases, and 16 more deaths. Over 1100 in Hospital, and 250 in the ICU.

Today Sask. had 502 new cases and 5 more deaths.  332 in hospital, and 78 in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 12, 2021, 04:46:50 PM
It's looking like 479 new case over a five day period in Manitoba. 161 in the South, 106 in the North, 102 in Winnipeg, 68 in the Prairie Region, and 42 in the Interlake. 9 deaths, 7 of them are in the Southern health Region.

85 people in hospital, 16 in the ICU with active cases. Manitoba's TPR is 3.9%, Winnipeg is 1.2%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 14, 2021, 04:40:36 PM
79 new cases yesterday in Manitoba, with 25 in the South and 24 in the North.

Kleefeld School which is the Southern Health Region reporting 19 cases. Not surprised.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 14, 2021, 05:04:12 PM
107 New cases in Manitoba today. 2 deaths. Man in his 40's from the South, women in her 50's from the North.

93 in hospital, 17 in ICU. Manitoba's TPR 3.8%. Winnipeg 1.5%.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 14, 2021, 06:29:08 PM
Bartley Kives@bkives

Manitoba announced 107 new cases of #COVID19 and 2 more deaths on Thursday, Oct. 14, 2021.
 
Active cases: 962
Total caseload: 61,900
Recovered: 59,712
Deaths: 1,226

Regional breakdown of new Manitoba #COVID19 cases:

45 Northern
23 Southern
21 Winnipeg
10 Prairie Mountain
8 Interlake-Eastern



Bartley Kives@bkives
Oct 13
Running average daily #COVID19 cases per 100,000 people, by Manitoba health region, as of Tuesday:

Northern: 29.4
Southern: 15.1
Prairie Mountain: 9.1
Interlake-Eastern: 5.6
Winnipeg: 2.7

The infection rate is declining slightly for every region except Northern Health.




Bartley Kives@bkives
Oct 13
Running average daily COVID cases per 100K for all provinces, as of Tuesday:

1. Saskatchewan 41.1
2. Alberta 23
3. New Brunswick 12.7
4. B.C. 11.7
5. Manitoba 7.1
6. Quebec 6.4
7. Ontario 3.6
8. Nova Scotia 2.6
9. P.E.I. 1.3
10. N.L. 0.6

Alberta's fourth wave has crested.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 15, 2021, 03:42:09 AM
55 of the 107 First nations people.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 15, 2021, 03:06:41 PM
55 of the 107 First nations people.

All the more reason to make sure that the First Nations people are given every opportunity to get vaccines, and are educated on how safe they are, how effective they are, and the fact that they can be the difference between asymptomatic infection and ICU visit or worse, death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 15, 2021, 09:08:29 PM
Skylar Peters@SkylarAPeters
Manitoba's announcing 92 new cases of COVID-19 today.

The death toll has increased by four.

Totals: (change)

Active: 963 (+1)
Total: 61,987
MB TP%: 3.2 (-.6)
WPG TP%: 1.2
Hospital/ICU: 92/16 (-1/-1)
Deaths: 1,230
Vaccinations: 2,029,644 (+6,020)

Skylar Peters@SkylarAPeters

New cases, by region:

Southern Health (15%  MB pop.): 30
Northern (6%): 17
Winnipeg (57%): 17
Prairie Mountain (12%): 15
Interlake-Eastern (10%): 13

By vaccination status:

Not vaccinated: 58 (63%)
Partially vaccinated: 6 (7%)
Fully vaccinated: 28 (30%)

Active cases by vaccination status:

Not: 609 (63%)
Partially: 70 (7%)
Fully: 284 (29%)

In hospital:

Not: 36 (68%)
Partially: 6 (11%)
Fully: 11 (21%)

In ICU:

Not: 8 (67%)
Partially: 1 (8%)
Fully: 3 (25%)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 16, 2021, 07:10:59 PM
BC: 667 new cases yesterday, 13 deaths, 367 in hospital, 152 in ICU.

Alberta:  1051 new cases yesterday, 16 deaths, 287 in ICU.

Sask: 312 new cases yesterday, 4 deaths, 339 in hospital, 78 in ICU.

It sounds like Sask. ICU is at capacity.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2021, 12:57:36 PM
...if you decide to not take the vaccine, you do not get the rights and freedoms of the vaccinated, just because you have "an excuse".

The reality is no rights of freedoms from any fundamentally democratic standpoint are being taken away by any misinformed, ignorant knuckle-dragger who chooses to not get vaccinated. Not a single charter right or freedom has been removed for anybody in this country since the pandemic began.

Going out for a meal and/or drinks isn't a right. Going to see a movie, concert, play, etc. isn't a right. Attending a sporting event isn't a right. They are social privileges and with those come responsibilities meant to protect everyone within society.

Choices have consequences. Make selfish choices and you'll see your privileges become limited more often than not. That concept is nothing new in society.


Title: Re: Full house for 2021 Grey Cup; Hamilton awarded 2023 game
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 18, 2021, 03:31:53 PM
They have everything to do with how we choose to react to said virus. Which you may have noticed. There is clearly not going to be a return to "normal" and expecting events in future years to resemble events in the "before times" is simply not realistic. There's no reason to assume that the 2023 Grey Cup will not be impacted by COVID protocols and rules.

Not really. You can pay attention to the world around you without blaming social media or news outlets for reacting poorly to a pandemic and making things worse. Unless you're referring to the covidiots who buy into misinformation/disinformation and conspiracy theories online, and then spread that crap to other gullible, moronic mouth-breathers on social media, adding fuel to the fire and prolonging our collective return to "normal" sooner than later. If that's what you mean, then I'd be inclined to agree.

And if protocols need to stay in place to keep the dregs of humanity in their own bubbles of ignorance and away from major sporting events, just as well. The Grey Cup should be no exception.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 18, 2021, 05:17:48 PM
The five day report has Manitoba with 339 new cases, and 5 deaths. Manitoba's TPR is 3.3%, and Winnipeg is at 1.4%.

128 in the South, 81 in Winnipeg, 56 in Prairie Mountain, 53 in the North, 21 cases in the Interlake.

It has been recommended that people living on reserves get a third shot.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 18, 2021, 06:17:33 PM
Blake Wheeler in COVID protocol...


Title: Re: Full house for 2021 Grey Cup; Hamilton awarded 2023 game
Post by: BlueGold8597 on October 18, 2021, 10:15:59 PM
Not really. You can pay attention to the world around you without blaming social media or news outlets for reacting poorly to a pandemic and making things worse. Unless you're referring to the covidiots who buy into misinformation/disinformation and conspiracy theories online, and then spread that crap to other gullible, moronic mouth-breathers on social media, adding fuel to the fire and prolonging our collective return to "normal" sooner than later. If that's what you mean, then I'd be inclined to agree.

And if protocols need to stay in place to keep the dregs of humanity in their own bubbles of ignorance and away from major sporting events, just as well. The Grey Cup should be no exception.

That was quite the angry word salad of hate. Do you really think we are ever going back to "normal"? And when we don't will you just find someone to blame for it?
But do you think the 2023 Grey Cup will be played without any government restrictions on what was once considered normal freedom of movement / association / gathering? I highly doubt it and it seems you agree with me.
I think it's silly of us to keep saying, "lets push x event 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years into the future when things will be back to normal". It's been almost 2 years. We're not going back there. Ever. The government has no intention of ever relinquishing these public health laws. They've more or less said as much.
How about we make plans based upon the world we have now.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 19, 2021, 12:17:21 PM
That was quite the angry word salad of hate. Do you really think we are ever going back to "normal"? And when we don't will you just find someone to blame for it?
But do you think the 2023 Grey Cup will be played without any government restrictions on what was once considered normal freedom of movement / association / gathering? I highly doubt it and it seems you agree with me.
I think it's silly of us to keep saying, "lets push x event 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years into the future when things will be back to normal". It's been almost 2 years. We're not going back there. Ever. The government has no intention of ever relinquishing these public health laws. They've more or less said as much.
How about we make plans based upon the world we have now.

Nice projection.

And then a whole bunch of nonsense to follow. At least you're consistent in your being misinformed.


Title: Re: Full house for 2021 Grey Cup; Hamilton awarded 2023 game
Post by: bomb squad on October 19, 2021, 02:25:47 PM
That was quite the angry word salad of hate. Do you really think we are ever going back to "normal"? And when we don't will you just find someone to blame for it?
But do you think the 2023 Grey Cup will be played without any government restrictions on what was once considered normal freedom of movement / association / gathering? I highly doubt it and it seems you agree with me.
I think it's silly of us to keep saying, "lets push x event 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years into the future when things will be back to normal". It's been almost 2 years. We're not going back there. Ever. The government has no intention of ever relinquishing these public health laws. They've more or less said as much.
How about we make plans based upon the world we have now.

No, we don't know what it's going to be like 2 years from now. All we can do then is plan for what is most likely to be the case. And it's more likely that the situation will be much closer to "normal" than it is today. Anyways, regarding the bolded: Do tell please. What have they said?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 19, 2021, 04:38:26 PM
Global pandemics have happened before, and in today's age, I think they are going to be a lot more common going forward.  Will the next be as bad as COVID?  Worse? WHo knows.

COVID has given us a gameplan going forward.  We know the mitigation, we have the infrastructure to product mitigation and vaccines that we did not 2 years ago.  We got caught flat footed by COVID, but have rebounded nicely, and were it not for a certain orange skinned politician and his disciples, I think we'd be in a lot better place today.

When the next one happens (not *if* but *when*), I'm sure our response will be far better, containment will be much more efficient, and its effect on our day to day much reduced.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 20, 2021, 08:21:05 PM
680 CJOB@680CJOB
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Manitoba health officials are reporting 51 new COVID-19 cases and one additional death linked to the virus.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 21, 2021, 05:55:04 PM
92 new cases today in Manitoba. 47 in the South, 21 in the North, 15 in Winnipeg, 9 in Prairie Mountain, and 5 in the Interlake.

86.4% single vax, 83% double vax. 

87 people in Hospital, 56 with active cases.

We are now at 1235 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 23, 2021, 06:24:49 PM
130 new case yesterday in Manitoba. probably some us this has to do with Thanks for Giving.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 23, 2021, 08:35:27 PM
130 new case yesterday in Manitoba. probably some us this has to do with Thanks for Giving.

Didn't see the breakdown by district... if the South is huge again, you can bet its Thanksgiving related...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DCM on October 24, 2021, 06:52:42 AM
Out of the 130:

New cases by region:

Southern - 43
Winnipeg - 37
Northern - 27
Prairie Mountain - 15
Interlake-Eastern - 8


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 24, 2021, 02:46:17 PM
Out of the 130:

New cases by region:

Southern - 43
Winnipeg - 37
Northern - 27
Prairie Mountain - 15
Interlake-Eastern - 8


Comparing cases to % of population...

Southern Health (15%  MB pop.): 43
Northern (6%): 27
Winnipeg (57%): 34
Prairie Mountain (12%): 15
Interlake-Eastern (10%): 8


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 26, 2021, 08:04:22 PM
Stop abusing store clerks and restaurant employee's. They don't make the rules there enforcing them. If your not vaccinated, that's not there fault.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 26, 2021, 08:09:33 PM
334 new cases over the weekend, with 2 deaths.

73 new cases today. Manitoba's TPR over the last 5 days is 4.3%.

78 in hospital, 17 in the ICU.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 27, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
Manitoba had 130 new cases today. 78 of them are not vaccinated. Also 3 more deaths.

83 in Hospital, 22 in ICU, which is 5 more then yesterday.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2021, 07:22:58 PM
Manitoba had 130 new cases today. 78 of them are not vaccinated.

83 in Hospital, 22 in ICU, which is 5 more then yesterday.

Guessing a *lot* from Southern district...  I hate that I automatically assume that, but it is just becoming a fact that certain areas, and certain groups, are causing the majority of the problem. 

We need a "think tank" to come up with a plan to address these issues, and get these groups on board with either vaccines or mitigation, or both.  Can we appeal to them through being good neighbors, or protecting their family, or listening to their leaders?  How do you deprogram people that have been brainwashed to ignore facts and science by the PPC and the far right? 

Or, do we just have to let Darwin take its course, and live for another year while that happens?  While variants continue to evolve amongst that "herd" as they seek immunity?
 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on October 27, 2021, 07:52:00 PM
Guessing a *lot* from Southern district...  I hate that I automatically assume that, but it is just becoming a fact that certain areas, and certain groups, are causing the majority of the problem. 

We need a "think tank" to come up with a plan to address these issues, and get these groups on board with either vaccines or mitigation, or both.  Can we appeal to them through being good neighbors, or protecting their family, or listening to their leaders?  How do you deprogram people that have been brainwashed to ignore facts and science by the PPC and the far right? 

Or, do we just have to let Darwin take its course, and live for another year while that happens?  While variants continue to evolve amongst that "herd" as they seek immunity?
 

They said outbreak in Norway House is a major contributor to the numbers today.  Regardless we are going in the wrong direction.  Other Provinces case counts are going down and we are going up...for whatever reason our "waves" are always behind the others.  Buckle up and roll up your sleeve.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 27, 2021, 09:27:26 PM
They said outbreak in Norway House is a major contributor to the numbers today.  Regardless we are going in the wrong direction.  Other Provinces case counts are going down and we are going up...for whatever reason our "waves" are always behind the others.  Buckle up and roll up your sleeve.

Our "up" is far below other provinces "down"...  we're doing fine...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on October 27, 2021, 10:28:15 PM
Very concerning numbers today


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 28, 2021, 02:40:42 AM
They said outbreak in Norway House is a major contributor to the numbers today.  Regardless we are going in the wrong direction.  Other Provinces case counts are going down and we are going up...for whatever reason our "waves" are always behind the others.  Buckle up and roll up your sleeve.

7,500 residents in that area, and 84 people with active covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 28, 2021, 05:56:00 PM
116 new covid cases today in Manitoba., with 4 more deaths.

82 in Hospital, 24 in the ICU.

46 in the South, with 38 not vaccinated.

34 in the North, with 20 not vaccinated.

Winnipeg had 8 new cases and 6 were not vaccinated.

Manitoba's TPR is 3.8%. Winnipeg is 1.5%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on October 29, 2021, 04:45:03 PM
Our "up" is far below other provinces "down"...  we're doing fine...

The average case count in Manitoba has risen 27 per cent in one week.

not fine at all.  I am hoping we have enough vaxxed to avoid a run on hospital beds but it could be another tough Nov and Dec. if we follow what is happening in Sask now.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 01, 2021, 08:01:33 PM
342 new cases in Manitoba over the past 3 days.

97 Saturday, 149 on Sunday, 96 Today.

98 in Hospital. 25 in ICU. More then half of the 342 cases are in the South.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on November 01, 2021, 10:19:53 PM
Our "up" is far below other provinces "down"...  we're doing fine...

October 26:

78 in hospital, 17 in the ICU.

Less than a week later:

98 in Hospital. 25 in ICU.

We are trending poorly and have been for a couple of weeks.  In a month we may have more active cases than Sask



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 02, 2021, 03:04:04 AM
Just received an email from my uncle's nursing home in Sask. No visitors, even if your fully vaccinated until further notice.

Apparently they want to have things under control for Christmas.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on November 02, 2021, 01:30:29 PM
October 26:

78 in hospital, 17 in the ICU.

Less than a week later:

98 in Hospital. 25 in ICU.

We are trending poorly and have been for a couple of weeks.  In a month we may have more active cases than Sask



Maybe, but that would make sense since we would be near the top of our fourth wave while they'd be at the tail of theirs.

These "waves" are unavoidable; it's their volume that we can control. Based on our graph, we've been doing miles better than in the past or compared to other places. What you see is what you get.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 02, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
You can see by the numbers in the southern region that the wave would have been much worse were it not for vaccine and mitigation. 

Well done Winnipeg, stay vigilant.  We can beat this...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 03, 2021, 02:20:29 AM
127 new cases today in Manitoba, with one death. Manitoba's TPR 5%.

77 active cases in hospital, 18 active cases in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2021, 12:23:04 AM
Pretty much the same numbers as yesterday. 128 new cases in Manitoba. 78 active cases in Hospital, 17 active cases in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2021, 03:56:22 AM
The US. with over 750,000 deaths due to Covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 04, 2021, 07:16:51 PM
154 new cases today in Manitoba. 70 of those cases are in the Southern region, where the TPR is now 14.5%, and 4 of the last 5 deaths are from this area.

33 cases in Winnipeg, 21 in the North, 15 in Prairie Mountain and the Interlake. The Northern region TPR is now 9.5%.

We how have 115 in hospital related to Covid, and 14 of the 24 patients in the ICU are from the Southern Region.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 04, 2021, 08:12:29 PM
All ICU patients, unvaxxed. 

With the US authorizing 5-12's, we can't be far behind, and hopefully we will see parents taking advantage of that.  Schools will be so much safer.  Although I know there is going to be an outcry from those uninformed screaming they don't want their kids to be exposed to vaccinated "shedders"... might work out good, having those anti-vaxxers keep their kids home.

Travel and workplace mandates are working, slowly but surely, more and more jabs being taken. Not happy with some of the travelers coming here thinking its all open, will be interesting to see what kind of problems the WDF creates Dec 5...  if it is the Riders, we won't have the airlines doing the screening for us...

 Still debating on waiting for the 6 months, or asking my Dr. for a prescription to top up my 2 AZ shots with an mRNA jab early...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 05, 2021, 03:22:49 AM
All ICU patients, unvaxxed. 

With the US authorizing 5-12's, we can't be far behind, and hopefully we will see parents taking advantage of that.  Schools will be so much safer.  Although I know there is going to be an outcry from those uninformed screaming they don't want their kids to be exposed to vaccinated "shedders"... might work out good, having those anti-vaxxers keep their kids home.

Travel and workplace mandates are working, slowly but surely, more and more jabs being taken. Not happy with some of the travelers coming here thinking its all open, will be interesting to see what kind of problems the WDF creates Dec 5...  if it is the Riders, we won't have the airlines doing the screening for us...

 Still debating on waiting for the 6 months, or asking my Dr. for a prescription to top up my 2 AZ shots with an mRNA jab early...

We received our 3rd. shots a few weeks ago, absolutely no side effects.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 05, 2021, 04:07:48 PM
We received our 3rd. shots a few weeks ago, absolutely no side effects.

You had 2 AZ?  Or were you already mixed?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 05, 2021, 06:01:42 PM
You had 2 AZ?  Or were you already mixed?


No two Pfizer, third shot was a Moderna


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 08, 2021, 05:45:02 PM
Since Friday Manitoba has had 624 new case, this is including the 156 cases today. We also had 9 more deaths.

South 245, Winnipeg 179, 98 Prairie Mountain, 53 in the North, and 49 in the Interlake.

141 in Hospital/ with 112 active cases.

26 in the ICU, with 18 active cases.

Manitoba's TPR is now 5.4%, Winnipeg is 2.7%.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 08, 2021, 07:07:45 PM
So, spike is happening...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 09, 2021, 07:24:25 PM
185 new cases today, and 4 more deaths. 21 active cases now in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 09, 2021, 08:15:03 PM
185 new cases today, and 4 more deaths. 21 active cases now in the ICU.

Thanks, Southern District.  Can we put a travel ban on the Southern District?

Skylar Peters@SkylarAPeters

Total hospitalizations, by region:

Southern: 56
Winnipeg: 32
Prairie Mountain: 25
Northern: 15
Interlake-Eastern: 10

In ICU:

Southern: 15
Winnipeg: 6
Interlake-Eastern: 4
Prairie Mountain: 2
Northern: 1 

Active cases, by vaccination status:

Not: 814 (57%)
Partially: 85 (6%)
Fully: 539 (37%)

In hospital:

Not: 59 (54%)
Partially: 5 (5%)
Fully: 45 (41%)

In ICU:

Not: 19 (90%)
Partially: 0 (0%)
Fully: 2 (10%)


(Estimated) number of Manitobans (all ages) with:

Zero COVID-19 vaccination doses: 335,978 (24.2%)
One COVID-19 vaccination dose: 40,238 (2.9%)
Two COVID-19 vaccination doses: 1,010,722 (72.8%)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 12, 2021, 06:03:29 PM
193 new cases in Manitoba today. Southern 94, Winnipeg 48, Prairie Mountain 25, The North 15, Interlake 11. We also had one more death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 12, 2021, 07:31:05 PM
Numbers are on the rise again, which was to be expected as the temperature dropped. This instant winter will probably only exacerbate things, IMO.

I think we'll see some increased restrictions in the coming weeks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 12, 2021, 07:43:43 PM
The government increased some restriction today. December 5 will be a big day for kids between 12-17. The Southern Religious gatherings restrictions will start tomorrow.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 16, 2021, 05:39:22 PM
Skylar Peters@SkylarAPeters
Manitoba's announcing 99 new cases of COVID-19 today.

The death toll has risen by one.

Totals: (change)

Active: 1,445 (-54)
Total: 65,856
MB TP%: 5.9 (0)
WPG TP%: 3.1
Hospital/ICU: 157/29 (+11/-2)
Deaths: 1,273
Vaccinations: 2,122,144 (+2,175)


New cases, by region (percentage of MB pop.):

Southern (15): 41
Winnipeg (57): 38
Prairie Mountain (12): 14
Interlake-Eastern (10): 4
Northern (6): 2

By vaccination status:

Not: 52
Partially: 5
Fully: 42


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 16, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
Covid cases are up and down like a rollercoaster. Saturday 140, Sunday 102, Sunday 137, and today 99.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 17, 2021, 09:28:33 PM
The rollercoaster continues with 162 cases today, and 2 more deaths. The Southern region had 57 cases, and Winnipeg had 46.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 18, 2021, 08:24:47 PM
179 new cases in Manitoba. 5 more deaths including a man in his 30's.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 18, 2021, 10:48:27 PM
Vaccine for kids 5-11 is a good thing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 19, 2021, 12:01:40 AM
I wonder if they are going to start breaking down the numbers by age group again... I'm thinking a large number of these cases have to be in the under 18 category, especially in Winnipeg


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on November 19, 2021, 01:46:16 PM
I wonder if they are going to start breaking down the numbers by age group again... I'm thinking a large number of these cases have to be in the under 18 category, especially in Winnipeg

Not to mention kids as transport vectors. They're less likely to be symptomatic, and kiddos get sick constantly so are less likely to get tested ("just the sniffles"). If that gets reduced, spread throughout the greater community will benefit considerably I would think.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 21, 2021, 04:11:01 PM
201 new cases on Saturday, with 4 more deaths. People in Manitoba have became lazy again. Was at No Frills this morning, family of 6 in the store shopping today. One, maybe two per is all that's needed. Uptown Alley packed yesterday, lot's of kids no masks. Need to get back to the basics. Thank god the kids can start getting vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on November 22, 2021, 02:36:26 AM
201 new cases on Saturday, with 4 more deaths. People in Manitoba have became lazy again. Was at No Frills this morning, family of 6 in the store shopping today. One, maybe two per is all that's needed. Uptown Alley packed yesterday, lot's of kids no masks. Need to get back to the basics. Thank god the kids can start getting vaccinated.
Yep people are getting really lazy and we're paying for it and you're right there is some hope with the kids getting vaccinated but it's going to take a few months for the numbers to come down


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 22, 2021, 05:55:56 PM
660 new cases over the weekend, and 11 more deaths. 258 of the those cases are in the Southern Region, and 6 of the deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 22, 2021, 09:47:01 PM
Almost half of the new cases are under 19...  and more than half of those are under 10.  Getting the 5-11's vaccinated will go a long way to helping these issues, for sure.

Not sure if any of the under 19's are in the hospital / ICU, but still, too many of them will act as superspreaders... keeping them healthy cuts off another infection vector.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 23, 2021, 04:25:24 AM
Wab Kinew test positive for Covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 23, 2021, 04:40:26 PM
Wab Kinew test positive for Covid.

Saw that... assuming he is vaxxed.  Wonder what the contract tracing looks like for the leader of the NDP party...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on November 23, 2021, 06:35:36 PM
Saw that... assuming he is vaxxed.  Wonder what the contract tracing looks like for the leader of the NDP party...

I think he has young kids, so that might explain it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 23, 2021, 06:58:09 PM
I think he has young kids, so that might explain it.

Seems like a breakthrough case as I'm quite certain he's vaccinated. Has there been an update on his situation (symptoms, etc.)?

Also: 129 new cases today. Been pretty high for almost a week.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on November 24, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
Seems like a breakthrough case as I'm quite certain he's vaccinated. Has there been an update on his situation (symptoms, etc.)?

Also: 129 new cases today. Been pretty high for almost a week.

He said very mild symptoms. Not surprising for someone who's vaxxed.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 24, 2021, 03:44:58 PM
The NDP should launch an inquiry on how and where he got it. LMAO.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 24, 2021, 04:25:45 PM
4 more deaths yesterday. Manitoba's TPR 5.9%. 154 in hospital, 25 in ICU with 19 of those cases are active.

Getting the kids vaccinated definitely will be a game changer.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on November 24, 2021, 07:15:51 PM
The NDP should launch an inquiry on how and where he got it. LMAO.

 :D :D :D


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 24, 2021, 07:57:01 PM
Sounds like nursing home cases on the rise again. Third Crossing Manor in Gladstone reporting 70 cases with about half being residents.

Also 98% of cases are now Delta.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 25, 2021, 08:50:14 PM
183 new cases today in Manitoba, with 5 deaths. 60 of those cases are in the South.

88% of the people in Manitoba have had a single dose. Only 70% of the people in the Southern Region have had a single dose.

24 patients now in the ICU. Manitoba's TPR is now 5.5%.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 27, 2021, 03:37:36 AM
153 new cases in Manitoba today, with 1 more death. 83 active cases in hospital, 17 active cases in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 29, 2021, 09:39:54 PM
342 new cases in Manitoba over the past 3 days. 10 more deaths, 5 in the Southern region. Winnipeg's TPR is now 2.7%.

Omicron is now in Canada.

98 active cases in Hospital, 19 in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 06, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
539 cases in Manitoba over the past 3 days, with 6 more deaths. Sunday we saw 211 cases which is our highest single day since June.

I can see shut downs coming.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 06, 2021, 11:24:32 PM
New issue with ICU... even though numbers are not climbing, and there are physical beds available, they do not have the staff to man those beds... which is quite disconcerting, because the recent increase in cases suggests an increase in hospitalizations is not far off...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 08, 2021, 11:44:14 AM
1st case of Omicron hits Winnipeg. Half of the ICU cases in Manitoba are from the Southern Region. Nurses are feeling stressed out again.

98 in hospital, 24 in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 08, 2021, 06:02:36 PM
178 new cases of Covid today in Manitoba, with 89 of those in the Southern Region. There are now 4 cases of Omicron in Manitoba.

 7 deaths over the last couple of days, 4 have been from the Southern Region, including a 40 year old male.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on December 08, 2021, 06:23:53 PM
Pfizer says their booster shot protects against Omicron.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 08, 2021, 06:31:27 PM
Got our third shots awhile back, 2L sanitizer, 3 layer mask, should be good.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 08, 2021, 07:33:39 PM
Pfizer says their booster shot protects against Omicron.

Great news. Hoping to get my booster early in the new year.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 09, 2021, 03:30:24 AM
26 in ICU, 96% unvaccinated. These are the people holding up the surgeries.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 09, 2021, 08:30:23 PM
4 more Omicron cases reported today, and 3 more deaths. 145 people in hospital, and 35 in ICU. 26 of those cases are active.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 05:54:03 PM
478 new cases of Covid over the past days. Also 8 more deaths. 5 of those deaths are from the Southern region.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jets on December 13, 2021, 08:25:51 PM
The club has a pretty strict vaccination policy so we won't be allowing political discussion about the merits of anti-vaccine views here.  Posts about that topic have been removed.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 13, 2021, 09:13:20 PM
The club has a pretty strict vaccination policy so we won't be allowing political discussion about the merits of anti-vaccine views here.  Posts about that topic have been removed.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: In Motion on December 15, 2021, 06:02:57 AM
I have to wonder how the lone Bomber who missed the Grey Cup game because he is unvaxxed feels.
Like was it really worth it not to get the shot young man??


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on December 15, 2021, 02:31:17 PM
so glad we got through the CFL, the impact on sports leagues is going to be huge in Dec/Jan...cases are exploding and for the most part they are recovering but some big names are going to miss some big names - especially in the NFL playoffs and games leading up to the playoffs


The Calgary Flames are down to just 6 rostered players that are not currently in the NHL's COVID-19 protocol.

Oliver Kylington, Dan Vladar, Blake Coleman, Mikael Backlund, Matthew Tkachuk, and Dillon Dube.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on December 15, 2021, 04:42:17 PM
Just in...

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
?
6m
Sources: Owners and execs were told by the NFL this morning that the league is discussing significant changes to COVID-19 protocols with the union.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Zipp on December 15, 2021, 09:22:44 PM
NFL players placed on COVID-19 lists the past 3 days:

Monday: 36 (all positive)
Tuesday: 29 (28 positive)
Wednesday: 31 (30 positive)

The three biggest in-season numbers over two years of COVID protocols.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 16, 2021, 03:11:40 AM
Raptors cutting the crowd back to 50%, starting Saturday.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 16, 2021, 05:02:05 PM
Ontario: Any events with a capacity of 1000 or more are now limited to 50%. Leaf's, Senators , Raptors,  concerts.

I am expecting the same rules for events in Manitoba soon.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 16, 2021, 07:26:49 PM
218 new cases of Covid in Manitoba today, and 2 more deaths.

139 in Hospital, and 33 in the ICU. most are not vaccinated.

Manitoba: 1st. shot 84.1%.  2nd. shot 78.1%  3rd. shot 11.3%


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 17, 2021, 03:56:09 AM
Montreal says no fans for tonight's game.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 17, 2021, 08:07:32 PM
239 cases today in Manitoba today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 18, 2021, 03:02:40 PM
Cases up, ICU full... c'mon people... 90% of us are doing the right thing, and 2% are doing everything they can to make things worse because they mistakenly think "Cause this is no worse than a cold". 

Was boosted last night at RBC, a little traffic due to the Jets game, but stil free parking, other than a few minutes wait to get the injection and the 15 minute observation period, no hassle at all.  Little sore at the injection site today, but feeling great knowing I'm protected. 

It is not difficult to fight this, is a hockey game worth getting sick, or dead?   Christmas is a horrible time to "take a pause", but this needs to be taken care of...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on December 20, 2021, 02:44:07 AM
Cases up, ICU full... c'mon people... 90% of us are doing the right thing, and 2% are doing everything they can to make things worse because they mistakenly think "Cause this is no worse than a cold". 

Was boosted last night at RBC, a little traffic due to the Jets game, but stil free parking, other than a few minutes wait to get the injection and the 15 minute observation period, no hassle at all.  Little sore at the injection site today, but feeling great knowing I'm protected. 

It is not difficult to fight this, is a hockey game worth getting sick, or dead?   Christmas is a horrible time to "take a pause", but this needs to be taken care of...

I'd say.... just a bit of a false dichotomy there. But I do have a ticket for the 29th and if there's a game and my ticket's not cancelled, I'll go. But, if it is cancelled, I'll be fine with that too.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 20, 2021, 06:16:59 PM
809 new cases in Manitoba over the weekend. Saturday 276, Sunday 333, Monday 200, with 6 deaths. 3 of those in the Southern health region.

137 in hospital, with 86 active cases.  27 in ICU, 21active cases.

17 of the 21 active cases are not vaccinated. 2 are partially, and two are fully vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 20, 2021, 07:58:11 PM
I keep hearing "I can go to a football game with 30k people, and I can't have 11 people over for dinner?"

Remember the analogy of masks and pants?  Wearing a mask is like wearing pants... if you pee on someone and you are wearing pants, they don't get wet, even if they aren't wearing pants.  If no one is wearing pants, everyone gets wet.  If you are wearing pants and they aren't, you can still get wet, but no where near as much gets on you...

Gatherings... its not that there is virus in the air, it is how much virus, and how long you are exposed to it.

Outside, even though you have 30k packed into IG Field, there is airflow, and the virus can't build up. 

Inside, like in a store, there may be 400 people in the Walmart, but you are only briefly exposed to any of them, and again, total volume of air reduces the chances of extended contact.  And you are just there for a short period of time.

In a home environment, the more bodies, the longer exposure time and the smaller size of the space means that the likelihood of "getting wet" is so much higher than at IGF or Walmart.  Imagine these environments with everyone smoking cigars.  A house becomes too smokey to see through in minutes, Walmart would take hours if at all, and IGF would never be an issue. 

We are all probably going to get Omicron, it is that transmissable.  Spreading out those infections and the potential bad outcomes becomes key.  And the fewer people that have it, symptomatic or more likely asymptomatically, the less spread will happen each day. 

The biggest issue is the un-vaccinated.  Not as being a risk to vaccinated people, but the converse.  We boosted double vaxxed people can carry / spread COVID without knowing it.  In a room of 12 people, if a few are spreading it, the chances that someone unvaccinated will contract the virus is greatly increased.  Make it 24 people, and you probably more than double the chances. 

The un-vaccinated are making us modify our behaviour to protect them, and in doing so, reducing hospitalizations, ICU volumes and deaths.  It is unfortunate that the un-vaxxed do not realize or appreciate the fact that we are protecting them. 

I understand COVID fatigue, I understand the "We've done our part, if THEY don't want to get the shot, why should I have to pay the price of mitigation?" concept.  But we live in a society, and we have to protect the whole.  In addition to the anti vaxxers and anti maskers, there are legitimate people who cannot be vaxxed, and cannot wear masks (a tiny percentage of those that claim, but still, they are there) as well as people who even with mitigation, are subject to bad outcomes should they contract it. 

It's important to remember, it's not for the "I've done my own research" people that we are making these efforts for, but rather the at risk people who would love to be 100% protected by using vaccines and masks, but that even in doing so, are at risk.  It is for them that we are making these sacrifices, and for the front line workers that have to deal with our sick.  And for the people who need the resources that are presently being tied up by COVID, the sooner we get this "under control", the sooner everyone is less at risk.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 21, 2021, 07:46:12 PM
302 new cases today in Manitoba. 133 hospital which is 4 less then yesterday. There is also 26 in ICU today which is one fewer the yesterday.

Last Monday Winnipeg's TPR was 3.7%, yesterday it was at 8.1%.

The good news no deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 21, 2021, 11:04:51 PM
I keep hearing "I can go to a football game with 30k people, and I can't have 11 people over for dinner?"

Remember the analogy of masks and pants?  Wearing a mask is like wearing pants... if you pee on someone and you are wearing pants, they don't get wet, even if they aren't wearing pants.  If no one is wearing pants, everyone gets wet.  If you are wearing pants and they aren't, you can still get wet, but no where near as much gets on you...

Gatherings... its not that there is virus in the air, it is how much virus, and how long you are exposed to it.

Outside, even though you have 30k packed into IG Field, there is airflow, and the virus can't build up. 

Inside, like in a store, there may be 400 people in the Walmart, but you are only briefly exposed to any of them, and again, total volume of air reduces the chances of extended contact.  And you are just there for a short period of time.

In a home environment, the more bodies, the longer exposure time and the smaller size of the space means that the likelihood of "getting wet" is so much higher than at IGF or Walmart.  Imagine these environments with everyone smoking cigars.  A house becomes too smokey to see through in minutes, Walmart would take hours if at all, and IGF would never be an issue. 

We are all probably going to get Omicron, it is that transmissable.  Spreading out those infections and the potential bad outcomes becomes key.  And the fewer people that have it, symptomatic or more likely asymptomatically, the less spread will happen each day. 

The biggest issue is the un-vaccinated.  Not as being a risk to vaccinated people, but the converse.  We boosted double vaxxed people can carry / spread COVID without knowing it.  In a room of 12 people, if a few are spreading it, the chances that someone unvaccinated will contract the virus is greatly increased.  Make it 24 people, and you probably more than double the chances. 

The un-vaccinated are making us modify our behaviour to protect them, and in doing so, reducing hospitalizations, ICU volumes and deaths.  It is unfortunate that the un-vaxxed do not realize or appreciate the fact that we are protecting them. 

I understand COVID fatigue, I understand the "We've done our part, if THEY don't want to get the shot, why should I have to pay the price of mitigation?" concept.  But we live in a society, and we have to protect the whole.  In addition to the anti vaxxers and anti maskers, there are legitimate people who cannot be vaxxed, and cannot wear masks (a tiny percentage of those that claim, but still, they are there) as well as people who even with mitigation, are subject to bad outcomes should they contract it. 

It's important to remember, it's not for the "I've done my own research" people that we are making these efforts for, but rather the at risk people who would love to be 100% protected by using vaccines and masks, but that even in doing so, are at risk.  It is for them that we are making these sacrifices, and for the front line workers that have to deal with our sick.  And for the people who need the resources that are presently being tied up by COVID, the sooner we get this "under control", the sooner everyone is less at risk.
Disagree that we will all get Omicron but it will spread like wild fire.  It won't touch those that stay at home and don't see anyone.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 22, 2021, 04:35:08 PM
Quebec with over 5000 cases yesterday.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 22, 2021, 04:54:34 PM
Disagree that we will all get Omicron but it will spread like wild fire.  It won't touch those that stay at home and don't see anyone.

Its pretty hard to isolate outside of living in a bubble.  Omicron luckily does not seem to have strong or lasting effect, so it might actually be a blessing, not a curse.  If it can outmuscle Delta, the way delta pushed classic out, we may see cases and infections off the charts, but hospitalizations/icu/deaths drop.

I think we are about to see cases rise to 1000 per day in the very near future, higher is southern district starts testing at the same rate Winnipeg does...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 22, 2021, 06:07:44 PM
400 new cases today in Manitoba, with 2 more deaths. 17 lab confirmed cases of Omicron now in Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 22, 2021, 09:08:41 PM
400 new cases today in Manitoba, with 2 more deaths. 17 lab confirmed cases of Omicron now in Manitoba.

Wondering how many of the cases are tested for strain... we kn ow Omicron is here, and spreads like crazy, so no doubt it either is already or soon will be the dominant variant.  The key will be, in my opinion, watching what the non Omicron variants do.  They seem to cause the hospitalizations/ICU/deaths...  if the non-Omicron infections stay in the old range, we should be OK... it seems like you can have huge Omicron infection rate, yet the hospital numbers are dropping...

Now that the FDA has approved the pFizer antiviral pills, maybe CFIA will as well, and that, along with Monoclonal Antibodies (which ARE available in Manitoba, for immune suppressed and at risk people in early stages of being symptomatic), should be able to reduce the load on the hosiptals...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 22, 2021, 09:14:58 PM
Now more than 2300 cases of Omicron in Canada.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on December 22, 2021, 11:10:56 PM
We will hit 1000 cases a day


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 23, 2021, 04:35:42 AM
Just watched a CNN program on the number of fake N95 masks. Some of these masks failed terribly. Most of these fake masks were found on the sites like Amazon. Most are also called KN95. Stick to the name brands like 3M.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 23, 2021, 06:11:41 PM
Undisclosed number of bombers battling Covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 23, 2021, 06:48:06 PM
556 new case to in Manitoba, with 1 death. 355 of those cases are in Winnipeg. I can see a shut down coming ASAP.

Headed to the lake for a least a couple of weeks of isolation.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 23, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
Quebec with 9,397 new cases today. 473 in hospital, 91 in ICU. Crazy.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 24, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Nearly 750 cases here today. Yikes.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 24, 2021, 04:58:19 PM
742 new cases in Manitoba today with another death. Manitoba has now 22 Omicron cases, all of this with 10,000 test in backlog.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 24, 2021, 06:20:18 PM
Ontario with nearly 10,000 cases today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 24, 2021, 07:20:31 PM
With testing woefully unable to meet demand, and no available home tests to speak of (SSK residents are getting them tossed into their grocery bags, I'm guessing MB gov't is waiting for ours to expire, and then hand out at LC's), they are now advising "If you have mild cold or flu symptoms, assume you have Omicron and self isolate".

Really?

Well, I guess if you can...

Meantime, malls and stores are open at 100% capacity, and retailers are gearing up for Boxing Day....  so lets see them superpreader events.

Hopefully we don't see a rise in hospitalizations / ICU load in 10 days...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 24, 2021, 08:40:52 PM
With testing woefully unable to meet demand, and no available home tests to speak of (SSK residents are getting them tossed into their grocery bags, I'm guessing MB gov't is waiting for ours to expire, and then hand out at LC's), they are now advising "If you have mild cold or flu symptoms, assume you have Omicron and self isolate".

Really?

Well, I guess if you can...

Meantime, malls and stores are open at 100% capacity, and retailers are gearing up for Boxing Day....  so lets see them superpreader events.

Hopefully we don't see a rise in hospitalizations / ICU load in 10 days...



And here is the problem. Don't wait for government hand outs. Everyone knew this was going to happen. My wife purchased 500 rapid tests kits for her business a few months ago, anticipating that covid would spike this winter. Knowing that if there was a spike, every province would be hunting for these test and supplies would be low.

I am wondering how many people will still head out to there New Years Eve events?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 24, 2021, 10:01:29 PM




And here is the problem. Don't wait for government hand outs. Everyone knew this was going to happen. My wife purchased 500 rapid tests kits for her business a few months ago, anticipating that covid would spike this winter. Knowing that if there was a spike, every province would be hunting for these test and supplies would be low.

I am wondering how many people will still head out to there New Years Eve events?

I'd love to know how she got 500 rapid tests... well done her.  I bought 1000 masks, mainly KN95's for me and family/staff and customers, and have facesheilds just in case...

I really don't think I want to know if I had/have it if I am asymptomatic/minor symptoms.  I'm boosted, wear KN95 all the time, and minimize any contacts outside my household.  Not sure what I'd do if I tested positive, especially on a rapid test that has a fairly high false positive rate...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 25, 2021, 03:45:30 AM
I'd love to know how she got 500 rapid tests... well done her.  I bought 1000 masks, mainly KN95's for me and family/staff and customers, and have facesheilds just in case...

I really don't think I want to know if I had/have it if I am asymptomatic/minor symptoms.  I'm boosted, wear KN95 all the time, and minimize any contacts outside my household.  Not sure what I'd do if I tested positive, especially on a rapid test that has a fairly high false positive rate...

It was actually pretty simple. She made contact with her pharmaceutical rep. At that time her rep had thousands of test kits. Now, O.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on December 26, 2021, 02:57:49 PM
There ya go aards, just contact your pharmaceutical rep.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 27, 2021, 06:11:15 PM
Manitoba had 2154 new case over the past 3 days with thousands of tests still in backlog. Saturday 785, Sunday 675, Monday 675. Winnipeg's TPR is 21.2% on Friday we were at 14.7%.

158 in Hospital, with 114 of those active cases. 25 in ICU, with 20 of those active cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 27, 2021, 07:59:58 PM
Manitoba had 2154 new case over the past 3 days with thousands of tests still in backlog. Saturday 785, Sunday 675, Monday 675. Winnipeg's TPR is 21.2% on Friday we were at 14.7%.

158 in Hospital, with 114 of those active cases. 25 in ICU, with 20 of those active cases.

Not as bad as I expected, and the ICU numbers are encouraging so far... I am wondering if they will announce any numbers of Monoclonal Antibody therapies being used... those should mitigate ICU use and deaths...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 28, 2021, 04:46:34 PM
Interesting numbers...

Latest CDC data by vaccine status:

Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated: 134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k

I'm sure these numbers will change, but even if they are close to being accurate, they are giant "get the jab" advertising. 

One thing to remember when looking at any of these stats... boosted people are actually dominated by people in the highest risk groups for bad outcomes.  The elderly, those with underlying conditions and immune compromised were prioritized for boosting.  So the small boosted numbers are even more impressive knowing the high unvaxxed numbers are among the "young, healthy, I don't need to worry" population...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 28, 2021, 05:51:34 PM
825 new cases today in Manitoba, with 5 more deaths.

6,546 active cases now in Manitoba. 1383 total deaths in Manitoba.

A number of New Years Eve function have been cancelled.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 29, 2021, 05:41:24 PM
947 new cases today in Manitoba, with one more death.

7489 active case, 183 in hospital, 29 more then yesterday. 29 in ICU with 25 of those cases active.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 29, 2021, 07:55:03 PM
I think the numbers are far higher, far, far higher, but we will never know because the unvaxxed are not getting tested, and just the sheer volume of people wanting tests being turned away, or tests not getting completed can't confirm more than a few thousand a day...

Do we need to lock down?  Yes.  Do we need to limit malls / retail / recreation?  Yes.  For a limited time. 

And, we need to create a repurposed health care facility dedicated to COVID cases only.  Staffed with vaxxed and boosted staff, keeping the infected away from compromised people, both in ICU's and hospitals.

Staff the new facility with the quick trained ICU nurses who can handle the specific treatments ICU COVID cases needs.  Am I the only one that sees this is an easy fix, with an simple and elegant solution?  Hospitals not having to deal with COVID in any way can operate as normal.  Cancer patients can attend treatment without fear.  People can get hip replacements, and other surgeries that are being postponed. 

Victoria General, or Seven Oaks..  easily switched.  Remote from other facilities, and have the infrastructure ready to go. 

Were I in charge, that would be job one for me.  Isolate the problem. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 29, 2021, 08:11:26 PM
I think the numbers are far higher, far, far higher, but we will never know because the unvaxxed are not getting tested, and just the sheer volume of people wanting tests being turned away, or tests not getting completed can't confirm more than a few thousand a day...

Do we need to lock down?  Yes.  Do we need to limit malls / retail / recreation?  Yes.  For a limited time. 

And, we need to create a repurposed health care facility dedicated to COVID cases only.  Staffed with vaxxed and boosted staff, keeping the infected away from compromised people, both in ICU's and hospitals.

Staff the new facility with the quick trained ICU nurses who can handle the specific treatments ICU COVID cases needs.  Am I the only one that sees this is an easy fix, with an simple and elegant solution?  Hospitals not having to deal with COVID in any way can operate as normal.  Cancer patients can attend treatment without fear.  People can get hip replacements, and other surgeries that are being postponed. 

Victoria General, or Seven Oaks..  easily switched.  Remote from other facilities, and have the infrastructure ready to go. 



Were I in charge, that would be job one for me.  Isolate the problem. 

Fun my wife was just saying many of the surgeons in Manitoba feel that there should be one Hospital dedicated to surgery and recovery.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 29, 2021, 08:28:50 PM
Well the world junior's is cancelled but we still have Walter.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on December 30, 2021, 06:43:57 AM
I think the numbers are far higher, far, far higher, but we will never know because the unvaxxed are not getting tested, and just the sheer volume of people wanting tests being turned away, or tests not getting completed can't confirm more than a few thousand a day...

Do we need to lock down?  Yes.  Do we need to limit malls / retail / recreation?  Yes.  For a limited time. 

And, we need to create a repurposed health care facility dedicated to COVID cases only.  Staffed with vaxxed and boosted staff, keeping the infected away from compromised people, both in ICU's and hospitals.

Staff the new facility with the quick trained ICU nurses who can handle the specific treatments ICU COVID cases needs.  Am I the only one that sees this is an easy fix, with an simple and elegant solution?  Hospitals not having to deal with COVID in any way can operate as normal.  Cancer patients can attend treatment without fear.  People can get hip replacements, and other surgeries that are being postponed. 

Victoria General, or Seven Oaks..  easily switched.  Remote from other facilities, and have the infrastructure ready to go. 

Were I in charge, that would be job one for me.  Isolate the problem. 

I wonder if we've reached the point where the spread rate is so high that a "recreational" type of lockdown is virtually ineffective. Or even a more restrictive lockdown for that matter. Is it worth it? Can we even slow this down? The vast majority of us are double vaccinated and will be tripled in a few weeks. Many of those healthy, young and older. Is it time to just let people make their own choices? We are at a crossroads here as a society.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 30, 2021, 02:02:39 PM
I wonder if we've reached the point where the spread rate is so high that a "recreational" type of lockdown is virtually ineffective. Or even a more restrictive lockdown for that matter. Is it worth it? Can we even slow this down? The vast majority of us are double vaccinated and will be tripled in a few weeks. Many of those healthy, young and older. Is it time to just let people make their own choices? We are at a crossroads here as a society.

It comes down to how bad Omicron spread affects ICU's, and if we have treatments as well that mitigate bad outcomes (Monoclonal Antibodies, Antiviral Pills) and keep ICU beds from filling beyond capacity.  If we can't keep up, other provinces will be in the same boat, and we won't be able to export patients. 

Any kind of lockdown to deal with that will be a week late, obviously.  A "circuit breaker" total lockdown will work, the question will be, will we do it fast and deep enough. 

Returning to retail store limits, one person shopping, essentials only, essential travel only, no dine in, no entertainment venues at any level.  Make it a finite timeframe (one week should suffice with total compliance), with big fines and reward on completion, and keep border/travel lockdown in place for non-essentials for a month after...

Australia, NZ, even China have been very aggressive at lockdowns, with great results.  We have given our provincial PC's grief about how they have done both too much and too little.  I agree they haven't done the best job, but they have been doing a job.  And the opposition hasn't been really holding their feet to the fire, except after the fact. 

I think there are pathways through this, but I don't think any of them will work.  Because we cannot get full buy in from all sides.  As much as one side will lockdown, the other will hold rallies, eat at their restaurants, and have church services. Which will frustrate those following the guidelines. 

Using testing alone to get out is not going to work, the world is killing for rapid tests, and infrastructure isn't there for increasing PCR 10fold, which would be the minimum to try and address the current situation. 

Spread is happening before symptoms, so isolating symptomatics without contact tracing is closing the gate after horses are gone. 

There is no 100% way out, and like many situations in society, the best answer is going to be people making sacrifices voluntarily, and hoping we have enough good people to weather the storm. 

Mask up, with good masks.

Limit shopping and trips.

Get the shots.

Isolate.  Especially if symptomatic.  And the symptoms are no longer loss of taste/smell (which would mean all Riders fans ;) )   

Overall, the symptoms for COVID reported by the CDC include:

Fever or chills
Cough
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Fatigue
Muscle or body aches
Headache
New loss of taste or smell
Sore throat
Congestion or runny nose
Nausea or vomiting
Diarrhea


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on December 30, 2021, 05:52:27 PM
1123 cases today (with an ongoing backlog), 3 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 30, 2021, 06:37:20 PM
1123 new cases to in Manitoba with 3 more deaths.

764 of these cases are in Winnipeg.

190 now in hospital, 29 in ICU with 25 active cases.

5049 new cases in Manitoba since Christmas Day.

2967 cases linked to schools, that 591 more then reported on December 23rd.

Just got word, not going back to school till January 31. Online again.

85% 1 dose, 78.4% 2 doses, 22.2% 3rd dose.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on December 31, 2021, 06:08:19 PM
1494 new cases today on the last day of 2021. With 5 more deaths.

860 of these new cases are in Winnipeg.

192 people in Hospital, 30 of those in the ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on December 31, 2021, 07:08:15 PM
Most new cases will be "Winnipeg" because that's who is getting tested. 

Great stat so far is still only 30 in ICU... 192 in Hospital is concerning, especially since many go on to ICU...

These numbers are not going to go down for a while... if ever...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 03, 2022, 05:57:27 PM
Manitoba recording 5411 new cases since Dec. 31, and 6 more deaths.

Currently 15,318 active cases in Manitoba.

32 in ICU, 30 active cases.

Over 103,000 people in hospital in the US.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 03, 2022, 08:38:59 PM
1700+ today...  hospital beds up 44% this week, but ICU beds not increasing... which is great news if that trend holds.  It does mean that we will get crushed on just regular hospital beds, though...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 04, 2022, 07:22:43 PM
1757 new cases today, with 2 more deaths. 1350 of these cases are in Winnipeg.

251 in hospital, 32 in ICU, with 30 active cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 05, 2022, 05:53:58 PM
1790 new cases in Manitoba with 2 more deaths.

252 in Hospital and 30, now in the ICU.

There currently 18,844 active cases.

The province completed 4822 lab tests yesterday, and 1,299,234 since Feb. 2020.

For the public schools remote learning for a week, probably not long enough.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 05, 2022, 08:51:00 PM
I don't think we will be seeing more than 2000 cases a week, becasue of the limits of testing...

Bartley Kives@bkives

Effective immediately, CBC?s #COVID19 coverage will focus first on hospitalizations and secondly in case counts.

Case counts are no longer accurate and are also not the most important measure of the pandemic?s impact.



This is something we've needed to prioritize fro a while... well done CBC and Kives.


Bartley Kives@bkives

Manitoba announced a one-patient increase in the number of #COVID19 hospitalizations and 2 more deaths on Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022.
 
Manitoba #COVID19 patients in hospital: 252 (up 1)
 
In ICU: 30 (down 2)

Total patients in ICU (COVID and non-COVID): 92 (down 2)



High case numbers, but not reflected in hospital numbers.... yet.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 06, 2022, 06:26:43 PM
2548 new cases in Manitoba today, with 6 more deaths. 11 more in Hospital. 33 now in the ICU.

Winnipeg has 1503 of the 2548 cases in Manitoba.

There are now 21,277 active cases in Manitoba. 14,340 active cases in Winnipeg.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 06, 2022, 07:08:09 PM
2548 new cases in Manitoba today, with 6 more deaths. 11 more in Hospital. 33 now in the ICU.

Winnipeg has 1503 of the 2548 cases in Manitoba.

There are now 21,277 active cases in Manitoba. 14,340 active cases in Winnipeg.



Those number are far lower than actuals... there are more home tests being done than pcr tests, and no one is tracing those results as far as I know...

Again, the key numbers are hospitalizations... and ICU beds... and those still are not showing the dramatic rise we see in "cases". thank goodness.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Tiger on January 07, 2022, 05:22:27 PM
Again, the key numbers are hospitalizations... and ICU beds... and those still are not showing the dramatic rise we see in "cases". thank goodness.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 07, 2022, 06:15:55 PM
Hospitalizations are trending upwards along with case numbers. 31 more today, so "thank goodness" ain't it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 07, 2022, 06:19:37 PM
31 more in hospital today?

So we had 228 in hospital on Monday, now we have 297, with 34 in the ICU.

84.5% with 1st. shot, 78 % with 2nd shot, 28.3 with the hat trick.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 07, 2022, 06:22:27 PM
Manitoba recording 3265 new cases today, with 6 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 07, 2022, 07:34:57 PM
Hospitalizations are trending upwards along with case numbers. 31 more today, so "thank goodness" ain't it.

They are trending upwards, but still not at an alarming rate... yet... 1 more ICU bed... still thank goodness.  And fingers crossed,


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 10, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
It appears it was a big weekend with 19 more deaths.

378 now in hospital, and 39 in the ICU.

My wife was working at the RBC on the weekend and said it was steady. Seems to be running at about 60% of capacity. At one point they were running 30 minutes ahead of schedule. Also sounds like they had a lot of cancellations.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 11, 2022, 04:02:52 PM
Have to wonder about the deaths... I know, most are with co-morbidities, and that is how we are defining COVID deaths and I agree with that, these are people that were fragile but stable, and COVID killed them. 

Some are willing to dismiss these deaths as not "due to COVID" and only want "COVID deaths" to be people who were otherwise healthy and succumb to the virus. 

I regard it more like a car accident victim who had late stage cancer.  Sure, cancer would have killed them eventually, but the accident was the cause of death.  And possibly, someone who wasn't as fragile might have survived the car accident.  We still don't consider cancer as teh case of death, 100% it was the car accident.

COVID and underlying conditions, to me, is the same thing.  Sure, if the patient was healthier, they would have survived the virus, but they did not.  The virus killed them.  Had they avoided the virus, they'd be alive today.  So, regardless co-morbidities, this is a death caused directly by COVID and should be attributed as such.

Vaccines are proven to reduce severity of illness, and while they may reduce spread/infection as well, the most important factor TODAY is the lessening of the severity of the illness.  I don't care about cases, breakthroughs and asymptomatic infection in vaxxed people, those do not significantly add to the deaths.  Anti-vaxxers keep harping on "Vaxxed still get it, why bother vaxing?" not understanding that the chances of bad outcomes drop by a factor of 20 if you are vaxxed.  You are 20 times more likely to die if you get it unvaxxed.  Its like playing Russian Roulette, but being forced to do it 20 times instead of just once.  Maybe my stats are off a bit, but you get my drift. 

We know the case numbers are worthless now, positive testing % means nothing when you aren't testing everyone who wants a test and are only testing people who have a positive RAT, or are symptomatic and have co-morbidities.  Plus, no one is contact tracing RAT positives, or even tracking them.  Its all on the honour system. 

ICU stats are, IMHO, the key indicator of how the community is reacting, and I think a stat we are missing is how many COVID deaths are happening without medical intervention.  How many of the 19 died at home, or in the Emergency or hospital bed without ever getting to the ICU.   We know, even though the vast majority of the population is double vaxxed, and more than 30% of Manitobans are now boosted as well, the majority of deaths are in the unvaxxed population.  We know they dominate the COVID case hospital stats as well, and ICU beds.  These are mostly avoidable stats, had they just gotten the jabs.

Breaking down these death stats a little finer might bring more light to the reality of vaxxed vs. unvaxxed.  I think, for some people, they are avoiding the perceived issues that come with vaccines that the anti-vax crowd is spreading through their mis-information campaigns, and embracing horse dewormer, and now urine drinking, while claiming the vaccine makes you magnetic, has a tracking chip in it, or makes you sterile or affects your period.  I think, in the back of their minds, they are relying on the medical system to save them should the virus actually happen to them.  They trot out stats on how it is 98% survivable, not thinking that 2 out of 100 is not really great odds.  Guys like Tucker Carlson are embracing treatments like monoclonal antibodies, hugely expensive and hard to come by and involving far more "I don't know what's in there" than any vaccine. 

I know, we have to honour and respect the individual's wishes when it comes to their choices, but in this case, I really think we're past that.  Polio, smallpox, measles, all victims of people trusting medicine to save them from horrible diseases.  We now have far better science than they did back then, and could have wiped this out early.  But somehow, unfortunately, it got politicized.  "Alternate facts" would have been laughed at 10 years ago, but a truly scary number of people quote that concept now as if it makes sense.

We need to work through this, not sure how you convince someone that has consumed this much koolaid that its OK to get vaxxed.  It shouldn't take a loved one dying to get someone to consider getting a jab, but lets hope that those lives lost at least help make it real to those communities and influence them to get the jab.

/rant


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 11, 2022, 07:25:36 PM
40 more in hospital in Manitoba today. 418 in Hospital, 42 in ICU.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 12, 2022, 03:24:04 AM
Quebec is going to fine people if there not vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
Quebec is going to fine people if there not vaccinated.

I believe the term is tax them, due to increased health care costs of treating the unvaxxinated.  Similar to MPI charging you extra if you are an idiot driver who is more likely to get into accidents.  Why should us good drivers pay the same as ones who are dangerous and drive costs up.

Bravo to Quebec.

I really think it will be tossed out though, hard to implement, really.  On the other hand, inducing vaccination by increasing the basic personal exemption for fully vaxxed citizens so they pay less taxes makes a heck of a lot of sense.  Something we should do anyway, but make it so that vaxxed people have a basic exemption of $30k, so their first $30k earnings stay in their pockets incentivizes vaccine and addresses issues with min wages...  a win/win.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 12, 2022, 07:33:13 PM
There are now 454 people in hospital, with 46 in the ICU. We also have 3 more deaths.

50.6 of the children between the age of 5-11 have received there first dose.

84.7% have 1 shot, 78% have 2 doses, 31.9% have a hat trick.

The number of people in hospital has doubled in the past 10 days.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 12, 2022, 09:20:16 PM
There are now 454 people in hospital, with 46 in the ICU. We also have 3 more deaths.

50.6 of the children between the age of 5-11 have received there first dose.

84.7% have 1 shot, 78% have 2 doses, 31.9% have a hat trick.

The number of people in hospital has doubled in the past 10 days.


Remarkably, I think those numbers are re-assuring.  With the rampant infection rate, you'd expect those numbers to be much, much worse by now...  ICU peaks a few days later... so those numbers require monitoring....



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 13, 2022, 06:37:27 PM
There now 499 in hospital, 47 in ICU, and we had 9 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 14, 2022, 07:15:40 PM
There now 517 in hospital, 45 in the ICU, and there was 5 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 17, 2022, 05:45:39 PM
There are now 601 people in hospital and 47 in the ICU. 20 more deaths over the weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 17, 2022, 06:57:47 PM
Have to wonder how much monoclonal antibodies are getting used, and when the pFizer antivirals that were just approved will start coming online to be used... these therapies should drastically reduce ICU and substantially reduce hospitalizations, if used early enough...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 18, 2022, 06:13:30 PM
There are now 620 in Hospital, 48 in ICU, and we had 3 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 19, 2022, 08:14:57 PM
There are now 631 in hospital, 50 in ICU, and we have 12 more deaths today.

93% of people in nursing homes have been vaccinated.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 20, 2022, 07:26:11 PM
There now 665 people in Hospital, 50 in ICU, and we had 7 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 06:17:53 PM
There are now 664 people in hospital, 50 in ICU, and for the second day in a row 7 more deaths. For the first time in awhile, there was no increase in our hospital numbers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on January 21, 2022, 06:59:56 PM
One thing I'd like to see (must be out there) is the historical data for overall MB hospitalizations and ICU numbers. It would be interesting to see how these change over time and how much larger they are than during "normal" times.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 21, 2022, 07:09:03 PM
One thing I'd like to be (must be out there) is the historical data for overall MB hospitalizations and ICU numbers. It would be interesting to see how these change over time and how much larger they are than during "normal" times.

I would like to see that to. Good project for my Grandson this weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 22, 2022, 06:50:42 PM
For those thinking this is now a "milder form" and we can just skate through, I just heard about a woman going into ICU after her whole family testing positive for COVID, immediately put into a medically induced coma and is touch and go.  6 teen boys at home being taken care of by 77 year old grandma. 

A good friend is lending a hand, putting together food and necessities, trying to give grandma some support. 

Talk about heartbreaking.  Hope she beats the odds...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 24, 2022, 07:59:19 PM
716 now in hospital, 51 in ICU, and 23 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 24, 2022, 08:00:17 PM
Only 63.4 of American's are vaccinated. Closing in on 1M deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 24, 2022, 08:14:24 PM
Only 63.4 of American's are vaccinated. Closing in on 1M deaths.

And a whole pile of them are "protesting" in DC today. Oof.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 24, 2022, 08:56:48 PM
I no longer feel sorry for anyone that hasn't received the shot and gets sick. ******, but you made your own bed.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 24, 2022, 09:11:00 PM
I'm not sure if I got this right, but truckers who are being prevented from crossing the border into the US by the US because they are not vaccinated are staging a "Truck in" rally at the Leg?  

Heard from someone the trucks involved were all "day trucks", ones that would never be used to long haul into the states...

Sigh...

"Freedom" from "Mandates" about vaccines that save lives 26 times out of 27...   I was just reading about teh vaccine ward where they have to take care of all the people teh vaccines have made sick... oh wait, no, those don't exist.  

One of my suppliers offered his staff $500 each to get fully vaccinated.  2 of them did not.  7 got COVID last week (some live together / carpool), 4 are back to work, but the 2 unvaxxed, still off and sick.  So they missed out on the $500, and now they are missing paychecks as well.  


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 24, 2022, 09:18:52 PM
I heard truck drivers from BC were headed to Ottawa to protest.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 24, 2022, 09:51:53 PM
I heard truck drivers from BC were headed to Ottawa to protest.

Good allocation of time and fuel... sigh...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 25, 2022, 04:40:45 PM
It is truly sad that this "Karen Konvoy" as it is being referred to is getting so much media coverage... and the actual heroes in health care are getting bupkiss.  Nurses are being mandated into 16 hour shifts 2 or 3 times a week, but little/no mention of that.  23 people died over the weekend, and its an "Oh, well, Omicron is due to run its course out soon".  And our "Premier" is suggesting the Prime Minister listens to these truckers points, and even suggests Ottawa adopts the catastrophic Manitoba policies that allow testing to replace vaccines. 

Until recently, I was pretty shielded from any personal experience with COVID.  But recently, suppliers and friends of co-workers have made this even more real for me.  People claiming that truckers are causing supply chain issues due to mandates is wrong.  Most truckers I know are fully vaxxed, and were first in line, because they knew they were going into warzones.  Especially ones crossing into the US, but also ones heading into Quebec or Alberta when the virus was raging there.  Like the infamous antivax burger shop (which has been dropped by delivery services because they do not follow health regulations), this tiny minority of underinformed denialists are profiting from spreading this misinformation.  I see them selling "Freedom" bumper stickers, or running "Go fund me"s, saw a story about a trucker in the US that raised $4 million off these lies.

It would be so nice if ever time one of these misinformation campaigns started, logical and informed people could "whack a mole" them into oblivion.  Unfortunately, these stories are too easy to trick people into believing, and the "conspiracy complicit" just dive right in, picking the pockets of their prey.

I'm not sure we want to go as hard as China or Hong Kong are going, killing hamsters for fear they may spread COVID and locking down entire buildings when one case is detected, or sending infected people into gov't hospitals and close contacts into poorly equipped gov't run quarantine camps, or even as strong as Australia with the whole Tennis thing (I agree with what they did because Joker lied, and it sends the right message to those that think they have privilege), but we need more mandates based on the science, especially the vaccines and ventilation in places like health care and schools.   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 25, 2022, 04:55:58 PM
According to the Canadian Trucking Association, the vast majority of truck drivers have been vaccinated. Sadly, it's this ignorant, uncouth, loud minority that gets the attention as they "fight for freedom" by driving their trucks to Ottawa, wasting fuel, money, and time, and disrupting others on the road. This sort of thing gets media coverage because it is disruptive.

On the "fortunate" side of all this, these narcissists won't have their demands met no matter how severe their tantrums. Their "causes" have no basis in reality and that's that.

Hopefully, a month from now we won't be talking about the Covidiot Clown Convoy, much in the same way the "Roll For Freedom" garbage a few years ago fizzled out in pretty short order.

Best of all, GoFundMe froze the fundraiser for this stupid convoy earlier today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: ModAdmin on January 25, 2022, 05:40:03 PM
According to the Canadian Trucking Association, the vast majority of truck drivers have been vaccinated. Sadly, it's this ignorant, uncouth, loud minority that gets the attention as they "fight for freedom" by driving their trucks to Ottawa, wasting fuel, money, and time, and disrupting others on the road. This sort of thing gets media coverage because it is disruptive.

On the "fortunate" side of all this, these narcissists won't have their demands met no matter how severe their tantrums. Their "causes" have no basis in reality and that's that.

Hopefully, a month from now we won't be talking about the Covidiot Clown Convoy, much in the same way the "Roll For Freedom" garbage a few years ago fizzled out in pretty short order.

Best of all, GoFundMe froze the fundraiser for this stupid convoy earlier today.

Looks to me like the fundraiser is still open to donations. They've raised $4.5M of a $5M goal.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on January 25, 2022, 05:44:42 PM
Looks to me like the fundraiser is still open to donations. They've raised $4.5M of a $5M goal.

I believe they're not allowing the cash to be withdrawn until they can document how it will be disseminated to the supports.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 25, 2022, 07:08:46 PM
So, truckers complaining that groceries aren't getting to stores because truckers can't cross borders are driving across Canada not delivering groceries?  And people are donating money and taking these "Freedom Fighters" food on their journey? 

I really pine for the days when news came on one hour a day, and was delivered by guys like Cronkite, or was printed in one of two or three different papers in your city, who may have had slightly different takes on facts, but nevertheless, reported the actual facts.

Today's world of "alternative facts" and "fake news" and a million different "news" sources where you can choose the news you like is just bad, and is only going to get worse. 

I wish there was a way I could move somewhere like New Zealand. I love Canada, but we are far too close to the US, and this disease that is rampant there is spreading too easily across the border.  And COVID is an issue too.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:55 PM
Looks to me like the fundraiser is still open to donations. They've raised $4.5M of a $5M goal.

It was reported on multiple outlets earlier today that GoFundMe has put a hold on the money raised until a clear plan has been presented by the organizer(s). It doesn't specify as to whether or not donations can still be made.

So, truckers complaining that groceries aren't getting to stores because truckers can't cross borders are driving across Canada not delivering groceries?  And people are donating money and taking these "Freedom Fighters" food on their journey? 

I really pine for the days when news came on one hour a day, and was delivered by guys like Cronkite, or was printed in one of two or three different papers in your city, who may have had slightly different takes on facts, but nevertheless, reported the actual facts.

Today's world of "alternative facts" and "fake news" and a million different "news" sources where you can choose the news you like is just bad, and is only going to get worse. 

I wish there was a way I could move somewhere like New Zealand. I love Canada, but we are far too close to the US, and this disease that is rampant there is spreading too easily across the border.  And COVID is an issue too.

There are covidiots in NZ, though. Along with purveyors of misinformation and peddlers of conspiracies.

If you really want to get away from the nonsense of the world, a secluded cabin is probably your only option.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on January 25, 2022, 09:05:46 PM
Just saw that #FluTruxKlan is trending...

Someone else noted to look at the truckers in the convoy, and see if they represent what a typical trucker looks like these days, or are they a specific subgroup.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 25, 2022, 09:28:17 PM
729 now in Hospital, 49 in ICU, and 6 more people have died.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: buckzumhoff on January 26, 2022, 11:56:55 AM
The ones who will drive a truck empty across Canada just to Ottawa are like same ones in the south who flew to the u.s. . What a waste of money and time. Stupid driving to be Ottawa . I think it's just money used to blow gas and party it up in hotels . They want freedom . Then just don't think of yourself .


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 26, 2022, 07:47:23 PM
720 people now in hospital, 49 in ICU, and 3 more deaths. Uncle had no issue's getting into the hospital this morning. Had some heart issue's was admitted ASAP.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 28, 2022, 10:07:20 PM
715 patients are in hospital, 52 in ICU, and 23 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on January 31, 2022, 07:27:24 PM
After the weekend Manitoba now has 735 in hospital, 56 in ICU, and 19 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 01, 2022, 06:02:18 PM
There now 737 in hospital, 54 in ICU, and we had 7 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 02, 2022, 09:19:23 PM
There are now 744 in Hospital, 54 in ICU, and there was 14 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 03, 2022, 10:35:18 PM
Down town Winnipeg will be a little crazy tomorrow with the truckers pep rally. Will be a nightmare for traffic. Mite be a snow day for anyone that works down town. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 04, 2022, 08:09:47 PM
Now 707 people in Hospital in Manitoba, 52 in ICU, with 39 of those people with active covid case. We also had 3 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 04, 2022, 08:15:58 PM
For those thinking this is now a "milder form" and we can just skate through, I just heard about a woman going into ICU after her whole family testing positive for COVID, immediately put into a medically induced coma and is touch and go.  6 teen boys at home being taken care of by 77 year old grandma. 

A good friend is lending a hand, putting together food and necessities, trying to give grandma some support. 

Talk about heartbreaking.  Hope she beats the odds...

Just an update, it was touch and go for a bit, she was in a coma for almost a week, and then things turned around, she started breathing on her own, and they wanted to keep her in the hospital, but she said "Nope, I got stuff to do", and now is at home... one of the lucky ones that our HCW's saved...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: DCM on February 05, 2022, 05:38:15 AM
GoFundMe says the Freedom Convoy 2022 fundraiser ?is now in violation of our Terms of Service (Term 8, which prohibits the promotion of violence and harassment) and has been removed from the platform.?
https://twitter.com/iamSas/status/1489740346200367104

#BREAKING: Lawsuit filed against convoy organizers, seeking damages on behalf of downtown Ottawa residents http://bit.ly/3Ln5bGn
https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1489737384552017921


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 05, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
GoFundMe says the Freedom Convoy 2022 fundraiser ?is now in violation of our Terms of Service (Term 8, which prohibits the promotion of violence and harassment) and has been removed from the platform.?
https://twitter.com/iamSas/status/1489740346200367104

#BREAKING: Lawsuit filed against convoy organizers, seeking damages on behalf of downtown Ottawa residents http://bit.ly/3Ln5bGn
https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1489737384552017921

This "protest" is falling apart. :D


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: dd on February 06, 2022, 07:02:59 PM
This whole rally thing is nothing but a bunch of rebellious defiant stupid people getting together to get their moment in the press. They?re all talking about rights, well what about the rights of the cancer patients who?s life saving surgeries have been delayed because people can?t get a shot. Sad and pathetic that the US is sending funds to perpetuate this. What a ridiculous, complete and total sad joke. Send in the military and end this now.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on February 06, 2022, 07:19:09 PM
This "protest" is falling apart. :D

It?s expanded to every capital city. Police are advising us right now not to go near Broadway and Memorial. We can?t dismiss it either.

Cities need plans to deal with this.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 06, 2022, 08:42:04 PM
I am okay with people protesting as long as everyone is following the law. If the protestors where played legally there would be no problem on Broadway.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 06, 2022, 09:38:18 PM
They should be enforcing bylaws regarding noise, parking, cooking... if this was a provincial park, the conservation officers would have kicked them all out long ago...

If there as a specific, attainable agenda, I'd say "Go for it".  But there seems to be no organized effort other than to create chaos...  its not like any gov't official is going to bow to their "demands", and they know this.  Seeing Trump 2024  and other American flags involved in the "protests" across Canada really reveals a lot...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: dd on February 07, 2022, 12:02:55 AM
There?s zero credibility to this protest, it?s just the rebel?s and ne  er do wells getting together demanding Trudeau resign, ya, like that?s going to happen.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 07, 2022, 03:34:03 AM
It?s expanded to every capital city. Police are advising us right now not to go near Broadway and Memorial. We can?t dismiss it either.

Cities need plans to deal with this.

I was referring more to the fact the fundraising dried up and now the organizers of the Ottawa tantrum are possibly being sued.

Letting this drag on for over a week, start up similar hissy fit parades in other cities, and embarrass a country is reprehensible by those who have sat by and done nothing, especially in the nation's capital.

This has been disgraceful and unfortunately, quite revealing as to the alarming amount of dirtbags that reside in Canada.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 07, 2022, 03:55:45 AM
Yes, Ottawa is way out of control.

Winnipeg, well Mr. Bowman didn't do anything when the indigenous destroyed property this summer, he not going to do anything now.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 07, 2022, 03:35:33 PM
I was referring more to the fact the fundraising dried up and now the organizers of the Ottawa tantrum are possibly being sued.

Letting this drag on for over a week, start up similar hissy fit parades in other cities, and embarrass a country is reprehensible by those who have sat by and done nothing, especially in the nation's capital.

This has been disgraceful and unfortunately, quite revealing as to the alarming amount of dirtbags that reside in Canada.

Toronto and Quebec has dried up really quick... looks like the Winnipeg crew got a delivery of fried chicken from Steinbach... time to start imposing campground restrictions in the downtown...  and mark "Snow routes" and tagging/towing


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 08, 2022, 07:45:40 PM
The numbers are starting to drop in Manitoba. 700 in hospital, 40 in ICU, however over the weekend we had 15 deaths and 2 more where reported today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 08:10:19 PM
The numbers are starting to drop in Manitoba. 700 in hospital, 40 in ICU, however over the weekend we had 15 deaths and 2 more where reported today.

What is concerning is that the death numbers still stay fairly high, and they seem to be almost all over 80... and there are outbreaks in far too many LTC facilities.  Not sure if we will see the illness/deaths other areas are seeing in kids, we've been pretty good at protecting them so far, but when kids start dying, or getting hospitalized, yo have to start question how we can protect our vulnerable...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on February 08, 2022, 08:28:17 PM
What is concerning is that the death numbers still stay fairly high, and they seem to be almost all over 80... and there are outbreaks in far too many LTC facilities.  Not sure if we will see the illness/deaths other areas are seeing in kids, we've been pretty good at protecting them so far, but when kids start dying, or getting hospitalized, yo have to start question how we can protect our vulnerable...

I can guarantee you that if kids start dying people would start to take action.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 08, 2022, 09:02:34 PM
I can guarantee you that if kids start dying people would start to take action.

Not so sure... I guess the large majority have accepted that old people are going to die from this, just like they do from pneumonia or other diseases that younger people live through.  I still don't, and think that we need to protect our elders better, but no idea how to get that point accross.

Kids are dying in the US, yet covidiots are demanding masks in schools be banned, and so many other things that could save kids.  Parents are not getting their kids vaccinated.  Misinformationists, like Hannity, are telling their listeners that vaccinated kids are getting sicker than unvaxxed ones.  And again, antivaxxers are citing co-morbidities as the main reason for deaths.  Yes, compromised kids are at most risk, and should be protected from having to attend school, etc.  They need that option.  But now, research is showing increased disease in boys and african american kids.  These are no co-morbidities. 

Yes, I think a few under 10 yr old deaths might open some eyes, and I don't think we have a large population demanding kids go to school without mitigation.  My daughter is 24, on immunosuppressants, and her boyfriend is a schoolteacher.  I don't know when they will get to see each other in person again, because every day, kids in his class or school are testing positive.  They can't risk her getting infected.  Its bad enough she can't work, or go out, now this is even more isolation.  Part of the human cost of this disease.

People in Canada (other than "pseudo-trucker" protesters) generally understand we need to protect our vulnerable if we want to return to "normal".  Unfortunately, too many do not class our kids, and the people exposed to them, as vulnerable...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2022, 04:30:15 PM
I get that these "protesters" are done with covid restrictions.  There isn't a person in Canada that does not understand your position now.

But, we are done with this protest.  There is no potential positive resolution to the situation, it is just going to devolve as the saner heads continue to leave, and the radicals have more say in the actions.

They are blocking medical access, they are blocking borders, preventing right minded truckers and citizens from their normal activity.  They are building sentiment against their "cause", if they ever had one, or knew what it was.  Getting Trudeau to quit, or the GG to dissolve the government and appoint Queen Romana the new head of state is not going to happen. 

This is a democracy, they way to change is to get like minded people to work with you to win the election.  If you have a point, and the majority (or even a strong minority in teh right places) agrees with you, then you get to legitimately make the rules.  But I get that's not immediate enough for these kooks.

This "Convoy" is a danger to our society.  They are hurting people, and the economy, with their actions.  This has gone far enough.  These are terrorists, and they need to be stopped.  Our police need to use the laws the rest of us have to abide by to put these hostiles behind bars.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2022, 08:15:36 PM
Convoy has a high school in Steinbach under lockdown, Emerson closed, and the Ottawa leader is talking about taking the convoy on a tour of local schools to "let the children see the convoy". 

So many countries have stood up to the hooligans and shut them down before they had a chance to start.  Yet we are letting them disrupt society, claiming they representing the fewer than 15% who are as of yet unvaxxed, and I bet even among those, they have a small following.

If they had a noble cause, like BLM or Orange Shirt, or even global warming, ancient forests, indigenous land claims, or banning the designated hitter, there would be some rhyme or reason to allow them a LIMITED window for their protest.  But other than disruption, and the attempted coup of overturning the present legally elected prime minister and replacing him with their so called queen, this "protest" has no standing, no permits and no rights.  They have terrorized neighborhoods, to the point of arson and noise pollution, issued threats against "main stream media" that have caused them to remove logos from their vehicles, and congregated in dangerous ways, including the illegal movement and storage of fuels. 

It makes me sick that they are not being shut down, to even the minorest extent of the law.  Given parking tickets.  Towed from snow zones. 

And now, a planned "event" for "maskless shopping" at Polo Park on Saturday...  putting our brave, underpaid and overworked front line retail workers at risk, and for what?  To make a point that was made months ago, and has no chance of being agreed to?  Are they just waiting for the provinces to do their scheduled roll backs of mitigation policies, and then they will jump up and take credit?

I'm tired of it, I'm sure truckers are tired of being lumped in with these terrorists, unfortunately until either they get shut down or the money from the far right gets turned off completely, these idiots will continue... not realizing that every day, they are not converting people to their side, but instead rallying them to the other.

Go home.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 10, 2022, 08:26:47 PM
The last two weeks have been nothing short of a colossal embarrassment for Canada.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 10, 2022, 09:43:19 PM
The last two weeks have been nothing short of a colossal embarrassment for Canada.

Which is exactly what the international far right terrorist groups funding these "truckers" were looking for... they have destabilized Canada far more effectively than ISIS or any other terror groups could, and for a fraction of the cost.  It is truly sad that we have people in Canada willing to do the bidding of these far right groups. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 11, 2022, 05:02:25 PM
The pandemic is over. Just ask the premier.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2022, 05:22:26 PM
The pandemic is over. Just ask the premier.

She says it's allowed to continue for 4 more weeks, then it will politely be asked to leave.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2022, 06:56:59 PM
Manitoba has effectively called an Endemic for March 15...

Not sure when i will stop wearing a mask in public places, but it sure won't be Mar 15.  And much as people think ending vaccine mandates, capacity limits and masks will help restaurants, I'm thinking Feb 13 might be my last restaurant visit for quite a while...  and I really feel sorry for restaurant staff who will now have to work in crowded places potentially full of infected partons.   

I think most restaurant workers will continue to mask, for their own safety.  And you can bet a lot of retailers will keep mask mandates up, at least for their workers.  I really can't abide my staff getting sick/dying because they get infected.  Plexi stays up, and air filters / UV keeps rocking. What do you do if someone shows up obviously symptomatic? 

I still do not understand how wearing a mask and getting a jab infringes so much on people's freedom.  I don't understand how so many people have been assimilated into this mob of misinformation.  And now New Zealand, land of 53 COVID deaths TOTAL (5 mil population), is getting hit by convoy fever.  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new-zealand-police-arrest-covid-truckers-canada-freedom-convoy-protest-rcna15667


It is just sad...

I really, really hope that my fears do not come to pass... but I concerned for the "at risk" people having to deal with this new phase of life, including my daughter. 



 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on February 11, 2022, 07:15:08 PM
We've ended masks mandates before and people still wore them, so we'll see.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on February 11, 2022, 08:53:38 PM
I am ok going to 100% capacity. I'm not a huge fan of getting rid of vax passports. But I think getting rid of masks is a bad idea at this time. It's such an easy thing to do and in all honesty probably goes further to prevent spread than vaccines. Maybe someone has the numbers for that.

Likely the ability to win hearts and minds with vaccines is passed and whoever was willing to get it already did (unfortunately).

I agree with Jesse that a good amount of people will still wear masks and likely some retailers and restaurants will too.

I am happy to get back to normal but any easing should really be tied to hospital numbers (which are/will come down, but they haven't yet). This is of course just a political decision.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 11, 2022, 09:55:50 PM
100% capacity for Jets games... and you thought it was tough selling your tickets at 50%....


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on February 11, 2022, 10:13:53 PM
100% capacity for Jets games... and you thought it was tough selling your tickets at 50%....

I think you?re overestimating the concerns of most people. In fact, I think people will be more willing to go to a game at full capacity instead of half. The atmosphere is the main reason you go to live sports. Anecdotal, but I have zero interest in going to a game with capacity limits.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 11, 2022, 10:32:04 PM
Status quo for us. We will masks in public for awhile yet. We agree that hospital numbers need to be better, also daily deaths are still to high.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 12, 2022, 03:48:32 PM
Manitoba has had a sight drop wit h 656 in hospitals, 41 in ICU, and 4 more deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: dd on February 12, 2022, 06:42:26 PM
It sickens me these cowards have now brought children into the protest to hide behind them. What a bunch of moral-less, spineless cowards.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 12, 2022, 06:51:16 PM
It sickens me these cowards have now brought children into the protest to hide behind them. What a bunch of moral-less, spineless cowards.

The self proclaimed Co-organizer is Caleb Brown who is not even a truck driver. CB Custom Carpentry. I wonder how he would like it if this was happening outside his business or his home.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 12, 2022, 08:24:37 PM
I hate that idiots all over the world are using these idiots as inspiration to mount sedition in other countries.  I thought that the US had the corner on that market. 

Watching the coverage on CNN or worse, hearing it on FOX or when I'm listening to Patriot for a giggle in the car (I have 5 comedy channels, then Patriot on my presets...) Canadians look like idiots.  The protesters look like idiots, the police not doing anything look like idiots, our politicians look like idiots.  And the foreign actors financing these pawns are laughing at the value they are getting for the tiny investment they've made...

 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 12, 2022, 08:36:48 PM
Are these "peaceful protesters" truly Canadian Truckers?  Of course not... want more proof?

https://www.kcrg.com/2022/02/10/man-accused-mistakenly-sending-bomb-threat-ottawa-ohio-police-department-amid-trucker-protests/?fbclid=IwAR0pJx6rJqaL2u5nyeQtbTr3jrYi4oWKeP7H1y9j22zvYj2LVxw-RE4QfVc

OTTAWA, Ohio (Gray News) - Charges are forthcoming for an Ohio man accused of sending bomb threats to police in Ottawa amid protests in Canada?s capital.

Police told WTVG the man got the name of the city right, but the location was off by about 600 miles.

Ottawa is the county seat for Putnam County in northwest Ohio. When the man, who has yet to be identified, used Google to find the number for police in Canada, Google gave him a number that was closer to home, investigators said.

?He wasn?t paying attention and just called the first number he found,? Putnam County Sheriff?s Office Captain Brad Brubaker said. ?He said he was mad about mask mandates.?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 14, 2022, 06:26:13 PM
656 in Hospital, 40 in ICU with 26 active cases, and 17 more deaths over the weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 14, 2022, 07:14:11 PM
656 in Hospital, 40 in ICU with 26 active cases, and 17 more deaths over the weekend.

The number of deaths is very disconcerting... are we using the "Died with covid" stats vs. the "died from covid" stats? 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 14, 2022, 07:57:23 PM
The number of deaths is very disconcerting... are we using the "Died with covid" stats vs. the "died from covid" stats? 

From


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 14, 2022, 09:38:46 PM
The emergency act is now in play. This should clear up the borders.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2022, 09:47:16 PM
The emergency act is now in play. This should clear up the borders.

Absolutely disgraceful it's had to come to this.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 15, 2022, 03:27:07 AM
Absolutely disgraceful it's had to come to this.

More disgraceful that heather isn't going to us it to clear the border.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: gobombersgo on February 15, 2022, 06:46:31 AM
More disgraceful that heather isn't going to us it to clear the border.
The border blockades including the one at Emerson are having a huge impact on the economy. Just wait until they release the next inflation numbers.

The Canadian economy was already having challenges now add hundreds of dollars to each truck load of goods that's crossing the border. Food and consumer goods prices are only going to go up from here.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: road griller on February 15, 2022, 01:06:51 PM
The provincial Cons are dead in the water and now it?s like they are not even trying.  They bow down to the south but they will always vote conservative anyway.  They need Winnipeg to win, not a very smart bunch.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2022, 01:35:12 PM
More disgraceful that heather isn't going to us it to clear the border.

Fortunately, she has no say in whether or not the feds use the act in this province.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on February 15, 2022, 06:23:42 PM
PCR tests and quarantining at the border going after as of Feb 28. Essentially makes travel simple again (providing you're vaxxed and willing to mask up).

I have a feeling my work is about ready to plan a continental road trip for me...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 15, 2022, 06:32:30 PM
I have a trade show I used to attend every year in Orlando coming up in March... they just sent me an email saying its much safer in the trade show that anywhere in Orlando, not a great endorsement, but hey... they have a risk analysis company advising the infection rate expectation for the show is .1%.

I really like going to the show, it keeps me abreast of what it going on in the industry and is vital for making contacts, but do I need to *this year*?  Went in March 2020, just before everything shut down.  Went virtual last year, was a disaster, waste of time. 

It used to be a "mini vacation" as well, but I can't see myself partaking of touristy things right now...

Going to be a tough decision...  probably comes down to cost of travel.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on February 15, 2022, 06:47:58 PM
The number of deaths is very disconcerting... are we using the "Died with covid" stats vs. the "died from covid" stats? 

The Manitoba website says deaths with Covid.

https://www.manitoba.ca/covid19/updates/index.html


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 15, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
The Manitoba website says deaths with Covid.

https://www.manitoba.ca/covid19/updates/index.html

First, I don't want to sound insensitive in distilling these unfortunate people and their families to numbers, but I'm trying to wrap my head around just where we are as a province in fighting this disease.

Sounds like they are using a metric that includes anyone who COVID contributes to the death, as there was one person removed from the deaths because they said that death was not COVID related.

This makes the number make more sense... 19 is a lot, but there were only one each in their 40's. 50's, and 60's.  The rest were 70+. We know that seniors, even vaxxed and boosted, are vulnerable because of underlying co-morbidities.  And it highlights that while the gov't feels that opening up is prudent, our at risk population is going to be being put at more risk now. 

I am saddened by these losses, and my heart goes out to those that lost family though this pandemic.  I hope that we can find a way to make these reductions in mitigation work while protecting our vulnerable. 

Still PO'd that anyone in the US can order RAT's from the gov't and have them mailed to them no charge, and here, you have to be symptomatic, and line up at a testing site to get some.  I'd love to have some on hand for my daughter in case she becomes symptomatic so that we can avoid stressing her out, and make sure that she can get the antiviral treatment that can be the difference between life and death for someone undergoing immune suppressing treatments.
 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on February 15, 2022, 08:39:29 PM
Still PO'd that anyone in the US can order RAT's from the gov't and have them mailed to them no charge, and here, you have to be symptomatic, and line up at a testing site to get some.  I'd love to have some on hand for my daughter in case she becomes symptomatic so that we can avoid stressing her out, and make sure that she can get the antiviral treatment that can be the difference between life and death for someone undergoing immune suppressing treatments.
 

FWIW, I went to a test site for a pack of rapid tests for a relative who was worried. I walked in, asked for a pack, they asked if I was symptomatic, I said yes (I wasn't), and they handed me a pack, no questions asked. I think you should do this too to ease your daughter's worry.

(And also, I agree it shouldn't "have to" come to that either, but getting these aren't as restricted as they're made out to be, is my point).


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 15, 2022, 08:58:58 PM
614 now in hospital in Manitoba. 38 in ICU, 25 of those are active covid cases. No deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 15, 2022, 10:03:32 PM
Emerson border opens tomorrow at 12 noon.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 16, 2022, 06:31:45 PM
614 in hospital, 38 in ICU, 6 more deaths including a person in there 20's. 4 of the deaths in nursing homes. Right there are a number of nursing homes dealing with outbreaks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on February 17, 2022, 06:16:35 PM
Rapid tests available to all now as of today.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 17, 2022, 06:52:21 PM
Rapid tests available to all now as of today.

Where?  When?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 07:29:28 PM
Where?  When?

At any test center, 2 per person, per visit.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 08:24:42 PM
Just received a message from my cousin in Sask. His father who was not vaccinated or believed in wearing a mask in public, has passed.  (63).

3rd. covid death for this family. All not vaccinated.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 17, 2022, 10:10:37 PM
At any test center, 2 per person, per visit.

Made 3 visits (6 kits, 18 tests) to the St. Mary's location before they stopped letting me in, and got 4 more kits from Main st... so now we have enough tests that every time my daughter's boyfriend (who is a teacher) can test before each visit.  Such a huge relief...

Just received a message from my cousin in Sask. His father who was not vaccinated or believed in wearing a mask in public, has passed.  (63).

3rd. covid death for this family. All not vaccinated.



So sad, condolences to your cousin.  If only this wasn't a story we hear over and over...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 17, 2022, 10:42:00 PM
In that family everyone under 40 is vaccinated, everyone over 40 is not.

Just hearing that is 46 new cases in small nursing home near Humboldt Sk.  Apparently there is only 65 in the nursing home.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 18, 2022, 07:19:15 PM
The cleanup of Ottawa has begun. Arrests, towing vehicle, nice to see.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 18, 2022, 08:04:14 PM
The cleanup of Ottawa has begun. Arrests, towing vehicle, nice to see.

Looks like they got all three ringleaders, none of whom have anything to do with trucking...  hopefully the trucking community doesn't get too much of a black eye from this.  Most are awesome people...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: road griller on February 18, 2022, 10:47:44 PM
The people of Ottawa can now have their lives back.  They didn?t deserve this.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 21, 2022, 07:37:40 AM
I thought #FluTruxKlan was brilliant, until I saw #TimbitTaliban...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 21, 2022, 02:28:53 PM
hopefully the trucking community doesn't get too much of a black eye from this.  Most are awesome people...

The vast majority of whom are vaccinated and responsible, respectful citizens, and likely do not support the embarrassing tantrum of hysterical narcissists that took place the last few weeks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 01:01:44 AM
I am not sure this is over yet.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 22, 2022, 05:09:50 PM
Conspiracy theories aside... between the right leaning media's coverage of this vs. what is happening in Russia, I can't dismiss the notion that this is a designed distraction duping the same group that in the US would be wearing MAGA hats into action against our country. 

Most of the funding is coming from outside Canada, you've got "MyPillow" guy trying to send 10000 pillows to the convoy, US and Confederate flags flying proudly, Canadian "leaders" quoting "First Amendment" and "Constitutional rights"... false claims that if enough people email the GG, Trudeau can be removed... its just loony. 

We have a minority government, where if your position was popular with a large minority (not even a majority) of the population, you could win.  The Prime Minister is not elected, except to the seat he represents, and even then I am pretty sure he doesn't actually have to have a seat, as "the governor general, must select as prime minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the elected House of Commons".  This usually means the leader of the party that controls the House...

The fact that so many of the protesters have zero knowledge of how Canadian politics works, and quote US laws, shows the true nature of how and where this started.  It is unfortunate that the hard working, mostly vaxxed trucking industry (who at the provincial and federal level have disavowed these protests) have been saddled with this.   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 06:16:55 PM
Today there are now 553 people in hospital, 31 in ICU, we also had 11 more deaths since Friday.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 22, 2022, 07:01:02 PM
To there are now 553 people in hospital, 31 in ICU, we also had 11 more deaths since Friday.

I am wondering at the high death count (again, not dismissing the loss of loved one, each soul lost to this virus is a tragedy) when we are supposed to have anti-virals and monoclonal antibodies available.  With the ICU numbers not varying much, I assume most of the deaths are rapid onset and not people who have an opportunity for treatment, or are hospitalized to the point of ICU beds.

Are these vulnerable population going to be able to be protected with the removal of mandates?  Should the province increase mitigation in Long Term Care facilities and other places where the vulnerable need to visit?  Should there be continued mask use and vaccine mandates for people working in LTC or at places like Cancer Care?  Should there be routine testing of workers in these facilities, to try to prevent asymptomatic spread? 

Or do we just leave our vulnerable population exposed and hope they don't get it and die? 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 07:20:17 PM
Many of the Manitoba nursing homes have outbreaks. I would guess many of these deaths are nursing home related.

 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on February 22, 2022, 08:33:27 PM
Many of the Manitoba nursing homes have outbreaks. I would guess many of these deaths are nursing home related.
 

Why is there no outcry?  This is shameful, really.  We have the ability to protect our vulnerable. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 09:26:48 PM
199 reported cases today in Manitoba. 74 in Prairie Mountain, 48 in Winnipeg, 33 Interlake, 24 in the North, 20 in the South.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 22, 2022, 11:19:48 PM
Well it should be over soon. Winnipeg police have given the protesters in downtown Winnipeg till 5 pm Wednesday to clear out.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on February 23, 2022, 09:34:50 PM
Emergencies Act revoked.

Tyranny over! /s


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 23, 2022, 09:57:47 PM
It serviced it's purpose. The people that live in downtown Ottawa are very happy.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 24, 2022, 06:05:41 PM
524 now in hospital with 222 still infectious, 32 in ICU, and another 5 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 25, 2022, 03:38:26 AM
So even with most of the covid mandates coming to an end in Manitoba, the Jets will still require you to be double vaccinated to attend a game. However your not required to wear a mask.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on February 28, 2022, 06:11:18 PM
We now have 474 people in hospital, 30 in ICU, and we had 5 more covid related deaths on the weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 01, 2022, 04:30:36 PM
So even with most of the covid mandates coming to an end in Manitoba, the Jets will still require you to be double vaccinated to attend a game. However your not required to wear a mask.

The Jets made a business decision, there are far more people with ST or are potential ticket buyers that regard a vaccinated crowd safe enough to spend $ on tickets, than any potential ticket buyers that are unvaxxed.

Many places are continuing the vax mandate, either in restaurants or venues, and the Gov't has committed to continuing the vax scan app running (not sure if they are still creating vaccine cards).

At the CLC, You will be required to wear a mask until Mar 15, and then urged to continue after that...

Vax mandate for large indoor events - Mar 1

Mask mandate for indoor venues - Mar 15

Air travel is federally mandated.  Not sure what changes if any will happen there... and what effect that has on CFL players


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 01, 2022, 10:53:34 PM
463 people now in hospital, with 29 in ICU. 0 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 02, 2022, 02:11:41 PM
Bill Blair tweeted yesterday that he's sending more Red Cross personnel to the province to help deal with ongoing outbreaks.

Solid leadership at the provincial level.
 - Nobody Ever


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 02, 2022, 03:26:06 PM
Sounds like most restaurants are dropping vaccination proof requirements, not because they believe it is the right thing to do, but because they fear the blowback.  Not sure how strict TSNE was in their proof of vaccination efforts last night, from reports in the past, they were spotty at best, and now, while they have maintained they will require vaccine proof to appease STH's, I wonder if they actually are even as vigilant as the apparently were not previously.

Companies should not be put into this position.  Exposing customers and staff to dangers that are documented and real, for optics.  So that the party in power can appease a tiny portion of the province, which happens to be mostly in their base.  People cried out at Trudeau's draconian measures, well, if there is the opposite, I think we are in that zone now...

We need responsible measures, some sort of mitigation.  Create a framework where restaurants can make a designated "un-vaccinated" area of their establishments for those that prefer, much like smoking sections in the past.   Let those that wish to risk their health and safety enjoy their "freedoms" without putting concerned citizens at risk.  Give staff gloves and front line PPE level respirators masks and face shields to work in these higher risk areas. 

I am more worried about the mask mandate lift in two weeks.  This is a much more widespread and much more visible situation.  While anti-maskers have been fighting for the freedom not to wear a mask, I am fearful that those responsible citizen that choose to continue to mask (both for themselves and for others) will bear undue abuse, both in retail establishments (staff AND customers) and even moreso in restaurants. 

I truly hope (but do not expect) that the anti mask militants will not extend their rhetoric to trying to force people and businesses to change their desire to continue with the slightly inconvenient but proven mitigation that masks provide.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 02, 2022, 04:18:48 PM
At the game last night they were still checking for proof of vaccination.

Personally I am okay with the lifting of the mandates. It's time to get going again. This will not change our lives one way or another. We will still wear a mask in public. As far as making decision that's something we have to do everyday. If you don't like an establishments rules just don't go there. I went to a UPS outlet this morning and the two ladies serving customers were not wearing masks. I guess I could have made a big seen, but I just turned around and went to another location.

All the tools have been put in place. Protect yourself and your family, let others worry about there health and safety.
 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on March 02, 2022, 04:35:43 PM
What "reports in the past?" Social media claims or anecdotes don't count, BTW.

Attendees at Jets games have to present three things before entry: vaccination card, photo ID, ticket to game. The vaccination cards are scanned and verified against the photo ID. How does an employee with that task do a spotty or inconsistent job when they're parked at every door and entrance into the arena? Missing someone is certainly possible considering the traffic flow into the arena but I can't imagine that's even a remotely relevant number.

Establishments like restaurants and lounges can have whatever rules they want permitted they don't actually discriminate anyone in the protected class of the CHRA. Being unvaccinated is not a protected class and never will be, as much as the covidiots try and prattle on with that narrative and their ongoing persecution complex. Creating an 'unvaccinated section' to cater to a miniscule percentage of the population is not business savvy.

While masks won't be a requirement two weeks from now, I'd fully expect their usage to be encouraged while out in public. It's baffling to me how mask usage became a partisan issue here during the pandemic and it says a lot about those who equate mask usage to being muzzled or oppressed. Even more so if they decide to harass others for using them.

Considering the health care system is still struggling here, the province lifting public health orders is neither reasonable nor appropriately timed. But it's been well established the provincial gov't couldn't a rip about the safety of Manitobans nor keeping the health care system in decent order.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: gobombersgo on March 03, 2022, 01:40:14 AM
The University Of Manitoba still requires proof of vaccination until the end of the academic year.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 03, 2022, 06:02:39 PM
Manitoba reporting 459 in Hospital, 29 in ICU, and 3 more covid related deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 04, 2022, 11:31:17 PM
So, a friend went to the Pal last weekend, and she and all her friends got the 'vid.   You'd think anyone at the Pal would have immune systems strong enough to prevent  infection, but alas, not the "superspreader" event the Pal is historically known for...

But yeah, lets drop vaccine protocols and masks...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 05, 2022, 05:14:33 AM
So, a friend went to the Pal last weekend, and she and all her friends got the 'vid.   You'd think anyone at the Pal would have immune systems strong enough to prevent  infection, but alas, not the "superspreader" event the Pal is historically known for...

But yeah, lets drop vaccine protocols and masks...

Crappy. However they knew the risks they where taking. Just like we know the risks we are taking by attending Jets games. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 05, 2022, 02:55:50 PM
Crappy. However they knew the risks they where taking. Just like we know the risks we are taking by attending Jets games. 

Luckily, they were all triple vaxxed, and besides one ending up in bed for a few days (the youngest, oddly enough), and missing a week of work, none had serious immediate issues.  Have to see if any "long covid" becomes an issue.

The risks at a Jets game are much higher... many heart and mental health issues are added on top of the communicable disease risks.  Bad enough watching them stink from home, let alone pay hundreds of dollars to watch it in person... ;)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 05, 2022, 06:41:52 PM
Mask mandates in Schools going to be dropped on March 15th. This should be interesting. Sounds like Ravenscourt going to keep them in place.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 05, 2022, 06:55:50 PM
So it appears Swiss Chalet has moved out of Manitoba. Also Harvey's now only has one location left in Winnipeg. One of the owners telling me that Covid was just to much for them.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 05, 2022, 06:59:53 PM
So it appears Swiss Chalet has moved out of Manitoba. Also Harvey's now only has one location left in Winnipeg. One of the owners telling me that Covid was just to much for them.

The chicken business is a tough one... Popeye's and Mary Brown's opened how many locations?  And every grocery store offering rotisserie chicken as good or better?  Even without COVID, Swiss Chalet was in tough.  Its too bad, they were a "good memory" spot, my Mom and my Mother in Law both loved it, and my wife gets nostalgic for it every now and then...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 07, 2022, 10:36:00 PM
Numbers are up over the weekend. Friday there was 422 in Hospital, today 434. Friday there was 22 in ICU, today 27. We also had 10 more deaths over the weekend.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 08, 2022, 04:19:01 AM
Numbers are up over the weekend. Friday there was 422 in Hospital, today 434. Friday there was 22 in ICU, today 27. We also had 10 more deaths over the weekend.

Perfect time to suspend all mitigation and eliminate isolation when testing positive...

I'll be wearing a mask for the coming months...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 10, 2022, 09:07:50 PM
Manitoba reporting 424 in hospital, 22 in ICU, with 13 of those cases are active. There was also 5 deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 15, 2022, 03:05:30 PM
My take (and fear) on masks, as of today.

I know a vast majority of Manitobans will continue to mask up where appropriate.
So mitigation will continue for the most part.
Anti-maskers will trumpet the fact that infections are not rising at the expected rate, because "COVID and masks were a hoax".
There will be some that actively and violently oppose mask wearing.
At least we are safe.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 15, 2022, 03:11:29 PM
Jets game should be interesting tonight.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 15, 2022, 04:44:35 PM
Was just down at No Frills and there was only one person with no mask on. Senior male. Doesn't look like most are taking there masks off just yet.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 15, 2022, 04:53:27 PM
Jets game should be interesting tonight.

Still requiring vax cards, but no mask mandate, just highly recommended.  Yeah, will be interesting... saw lots of people in the stands with masks down for "drinking beer"... so not sure how much different it will be... remember, STH's asked to have VAX mandate retained, so many will be mask conscious...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 15, 2022, 09:36:23 PM
418 in Hospital, 18 in ICU, we also had one more death.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jockitch on March 16, 2022, 05:35:19 PM
would guess that perhaps 10% used masks last night at the Jet game.
Did use mine always in the halls of the bldg., washroom and occasionally in my aisle seat.   Felt very odd when I did remove it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 16, 2022, 06:07:17 PM
We had our masks on also. Headed to the lake to get in some fishing, so won't be at the next few games. Will see how the large unmasked crowd effects our numbers.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 17, 2022, 03:23:45 PM
Without any monitoring of testing, all we will have to go by is the hospitalization numbers, which we won't be getting either.

I think its going to be a sad trickle down effect, healthy people at events / stores getting "sick" with no symptoms, and then taking it home to pass on, eventually getting to a vulnerable person a week or two later. 

Contact tracing is going to be impossible, and infections are going to be "six (sick) degrees of COVID Bacon"




Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 17, 2022, 09:45:15 PM
Manitoba has gone thought a bit of a roller coaster the last two days. On Wednesday Manitoba's hospitalizations went down by 76 people, however on Thursday it went up 51 people. We now have 395 in Hospital, 17 ICU, and we had 2 more deaths reported today. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 18, 2022, 07:44:48 PM
Manitoba has gone thought a bit of a roller coaster the last two days. On Wednesday Manitoba's hospitalizations went down by 76 people, however on Thursday it went up 51 people. We now have 395 in Hospital, 17 ICU, and we had 2 more deaths reported today. 

They seem to keep forgetting Brandon in the numbers...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 18, 2022, 09:05:17 PM
382 in hospital today in Manitoba, 13 in ICU, and 3 more deaths.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 21, 2022, 05:47:51 PM
China getting slammed with cases, and shutdowns.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 23, 2022, 05:33:17 PM
387 in hospital today in Manitoba. 22 in ICU, with 4 more deaths. Manitoba Health reporting that BA.2 makes up 12% of our cases of covid. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on March 24, 2022, 02:08:48 PM
387 in hospital today in Manitoba. 22 in ICU, with 4 more deaths. Manitoba Health reporting that BA.2 makes up 12% of our cases of covid. 

So numbers are up after a week of no masks... marginally, sure., but up. 

That is with *most* people still following mask protocols.

Will be interesting to see what the numbers look like after this 4 game Jets homestand where a maskless crowd can include people with active COVID after testing positive.  Again, *most* people would not dream of attending a Jets game with active COVID, but all it takes is a few idiots to cause a superspreader event.  And with "symptoms" of BA.2 being totally different than Delta or even Omicron, there will no doubt be a lot of people there that will be unintentionally spreading COVID. 

Lots of positive tests in my circle of associates the past few weeks, many linked back to schools.  Some from "a night out".  None requiring hospitalization, so they don't end up being tracked, but I didn't personally know anyone that was infected before Omicron came along, and the number of positive tests in the past few months has been alarming.  Luckily all my associates are fully vaxxed, I can't imagine what the hospitalization numbers would be if they weren't.

Question, vulnerable people who test positive are eligible for antivirals, especially monoclonal antibodies, which reduce hospitalizations / ICU.  Is there any resource that reports how many doses of these have been administered?  A large percentage of that number would have gone on to hospital/ICU... so, along with vaccines, therapeutics may be mitigating the hosp/ICU numbers as well...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 25, 2022, 06:10:26 PM
Covid really driving up Used car value. My wife finally received her electric vehicle today. We had no interest in trading in her vehicle, but what they offered her was crazy high.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on March 25, 2022, 07:42:21 PM
Covid really driving up Used car value. My wife finally received her electric vehicle today. We had no interest in trading in her vehicle, but what they offered her was crazy high.

What did she get?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 25, 2022, 09:55:12 PM
What did she get?

BMW


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 26, 2022, 06:25:33 PM
359 in hospital in Manitoba on Friday. 19 in ICU, but we had no report deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on March 30, 2022, 03:49:53 AM
Shanghai in a lockdown. There are 25M people in Shanghai.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 03, 2022, 06:44:02 PM
OK, literally half my staff are either in protocol, or have just exited it.  None seem to have contracted it at work, most have outside contacts that are much more likely, and I'm (knock on wood) still negative.

But this is insane.

My twitter and facebook feeds are full of people posting positive tests. 

Fortunately, so far no serious illnesses, nothing close to hospital.  Thank goodness we are all vaxxed and boosted.  In the meantime, 5 day self isolation is killing my schedule.  Thank goodness we have some staff flexibility, but there are going to be some tough times this week. 

IS this wave of BA2 a good thing?  Will this create "herd immunity"?  I'm no so sure...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 03, 2022, 09:56:50 PM
OK, literally half my staff are either in protocol, or have just exited it.  None seem to have contracted it at work, most have outside contacts that are much more likely, and I'm (knock on wood) still negative.

But this is insane.

My twitter and facebook feeds are full of people posting positive tests. 

Fortunately, so far no serious illnesses, nothing close to hospital.  Thank goodness we are all vaxxed and boosted.  In the meantime, 5 day self isolation is killing my schedule.  Thank goodness we have some staff flexibility, but there are going to be some tough times this week. 

IS this wave of BA2 a good thing?  Will this create "herd immunity"?  I'm no so sure...

Well everyone is walking around without a mask now. So I am not surprised. Jets games probably 90% of the people attending are not wearing masks.

A number of people have had to cancel there surgeries because they have tested positive for covid. This worked out good for me as I thought I wouldn't get my knee surgery for another 6 to 12 months. Turns out Tuesday morning I will be having my surgery.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 04, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
Well everyone is walking around without a mask now. So I am not surprised. Jets games probably 90% of the people attending are not wearing masks.

A number of people have had to cancel there surgeries because they have tested positive for covid. This worked out good for me as I thought I wouldn't get my knee surgery for another 6 to 12 months. Turns out Tuesday morning I will be having my surgery.



Silver linings to everything, I guess... fingers crossed you don't catch it before Tuesday...

Thankfully it is no where near as serious as previous variants.  Whether than is the virus, or our vaxxed and boosted immune systems, who knows.  The rest of the world seems to be heading the wrong way, and China is reporting its worst numbers of the entire pandemic.  Much of the world remains largely unvaxxed, and no doubt variants are breeding, waiting to unleash themselves now that we have let our guard down.

One more month f mask mandate would have cost almost nothing in actual cost and even in political clout, and could have saved a lot of this spread.  I'm guessing they were betting on getting through this wave of less debilitating COVID and coming out the other side with a herd immunity "huzzah!" that they ride to the poles.  But I doubt they had that much strategy involved in this.

I do have to admit disappointment in Obby so far, as the newcomer to the party, he could have used his "at risk" health issues (he has very publicly spoken of his battles with Colitis) to lobby for a more cautious handling of the current pandemic issues, but I haven't heard a word out of his camp about it.  Pretty much the only thing I've seen was him bringing donuts to his first day at work (a "rookie" think from his football days).  Even that, he brought Tim's... when Oh Doughnuts is just down the street, a good, local, female/LGBTQ owned company.  Even Trudeau knew enough to bring locally baked product...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 04, 2022, 04:35:45 PM
The Manitoba Government decided that it was time for people to be responsible and to protect yourself. Some have, and many haven't. The one's that haven't have had covid the one's that have continue to stay save. We continue to keep our circle small, stop going to Jets games once the masks were no longer mandatory, wear a mask everywhere. Hand sanitizer is also another item that is now missing from most public places. As much as I agree keeping the mask mandate in place for awhile long would have been a good idea, no one has made people take them off.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 05, 2022, 12:45:21 PM
The Manitoba Government decided that it was time for people to be responsible and to protect yourself. Some have, and many haven't. The one's that haven't have had covid the one's that have continue to stay save. We continue to keep our circle small, stop going to Jets games once the masks were no longer mandatory, wear a mask everywhere. Hand sanitizer is also another item that is now missing from most public places. As much as I agree keeping the mask mandate in place for awhile long would have been a good idea, no one has made people take them off.

Yes, protecting yourself has become the focus.  And depending on how and where you have to work, that can be difficult.  Masks best reduce spread, n95's can protect, but when the air is loaded with virus, it is hard even for a n95 to protect you.  That's why a mask mandate protects, it reduces the amount of airborne virus dramatically.

Hand sanitizer is never going to hurt to use, but this is a virus shown to be spread through airborne droplets.  Watching people sanitize carts and hands at the grocery store while not wearing a mask is just insane.

A friend of mine says we just all going to get it, might as well get it over with.  And with hospitalizations, ICU and deaths not exploding, it is a sentiment that is getting more prevalent.  For me, "not exploding" is not a good thing.  With out levels of vaccinations and therapeutics, numbers shouldn't be stable, they should be approaching zero. 

And then we add in "long COVID".  We have no idea how many will be affected, or how debilitating it will be.  With Polio, the bad effects were visible.  Not the same with COVID. 

Sure, its now milder, shorter, less likely to cause long term effects, but does that mean we should respect it less?

And "herd immunity", that assumes one course of disease renders a person immune, like measles.  But how many people do you know that have had 2, 3 or even more infections of COVID? 

Now, international distribution of vaccine is starting to end, third world countries that wanted to make their own still have not been given the "recipe", so we have vast unvaxxed populations acting as breeding grounds for variants.  This is just asking for "Omega" to eventually surface, and truly live up to its name.

They say we shouldn't be spending our time doomscrolling... but have you seen the quality of doom out there to scroll?



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 06, 2022, 04:58:24 PM
Nice to hear a second booster shot is on it's way. Many people need this. Not sure if I will do mine until September. It will be nice layer of protection for the fall and winter when more people are inside.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 07, 2022, 05:22:21 PM
I have to give a shout out to the Carman Surgical Facility. Very clean professional facility and staff. Little bit of a drive, but it's well worth it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 07, 2022, 07:52:33 PM
Nice to hear a second booster shot is on it's way. Many people need this. Not sure if I will do mine until September. It will be nice layer of protection for the fall and winter when more people are inside.

Heading to Vegas in June for a twice delayed appearance at the WSOP.  If they set the booster at 6 months, I will be eligible 2 weeks prior to travel, perfect timing.  And you bet i will be there the minute I can get it.

Still not sure if I have had it, have had multiple incidents of one symptom, tested a couple times negative, never had the multiple symptom illnesses I have seen in my co-workers that tested positive.  But who knows.  Do we have any way to see if we have had it?  Is that a blood test my doctor can request when running the rest of my lab work?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 13, 2022, 02:46:33 AM
Manitoba now has 426 in hospital, 24 in ICU, 7 more deaths last week, which brings Manitoba total to 1764 Covid deaths.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 13, 2022, 02:16:24 PM
359 in hospital in Manitoba on Friday. 19 in ICU, but we had no report deaths.
Manitoba now has 426 in hospital, 24 in ICU, 7 more deaths last week, which brings Manitoba total to 1764 Covid deaths.

Not trending in the right way... wastewater also showing upticks...  I'm fine with infection upticks, but not hospitalization and ICU increases...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 13, 2022, 03:04:31 PM
Not trending in the right way... wastewater also showing upticks...  I'm fine with infection upticks, but not hospitalization and ICU increases...

Did you think the numbers were going to go down???


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 13, 2022, 05:22:56 PM
Did you think the numbers were going to go down???

I knew infections were going to blast off the charts, but was hoping the "bad outcome" numbers would decline... Omicron / ba.2 being less virulent... I guess that even though numbers are up a bit, its not panic worthy yet...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 07:58:28 PM
1 of every 4 Canadians has had covid.  That's pretty crazy. Many Canadians more then once.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bluengold204 on April 20, 2022, 10:46:38 PM
1 of every 4 Canadians has had covid.  That's pretty crazy. Many Canadians more then once.

Don?t think that?s very accurate? I know way more people who hasn?t had COVID then those who has. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 20, 2022, 11:19:28 PM
1 of every 4 Canadians has had covid.  That's pretty crazy. Many Canadians more then once.

Don?t think that?s very accurate? I know way more people who hasn?t had COVID then those who has. 

I agree.  Since they are no longer tracking positives because most people are using RATs, there is no way to accurately track just how many cases have happened.  Plus, with the newer variants having much higher asymptomatic infections, no idea if I've had it or not (tested negative yesterday... had a headache and sore throat when I woke up, so I tested)

Not sure if we are at 75%,   but if we go by my contacts and co-workers, its definitely 75%...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 20, 2022, 11:38:38 PM
Don?t think that?s very accurate? I know way more people who hasn?t had COVID then those who has. 

I know more people that haven't had Covid also. However this is a report that was sent to my wife and every Doctor in Manitoba. Like it or not, that what has been reported.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 21, 2022, 06:33:00 PM
I think the number is based on other metrics like wastewater testing and other variables with their statistically-determined deviation and not testing.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 21, 2022, 07:11:49 PM
Don?t think that?s very accurate? I know way more people who hasn?t had COVID then those who has. 

I misread what you said... I don't agree... i think the numbers are higher than 1 in 4... much higher... like I said, 75% of my staff have had it, most of my friends have had it, too many of my twitter peeps have had it...  home testing has caused seriously under reporting of cases... and while Omicron and BA2 are much less likely to cause bad outcomes, hospital numbers are not dropping by a commensurate amount, in fact they are rising. 

Omicron and BA2 are not as deadly, thank goodness.  The Flu kills a number of people every year, and we have accepted that as a fact, even though we do have vaccines that could prevent most outbreaks, and mitigation (masks) that could prevent most spread.  I think we are allowing COVID to enter into that realm of acceptability.  "I'm gonna get it, its going to give me a headache and some other symptoms, and I'll get better" seems to be the majority consensus, which was not the case with Alpha, Beta, Gamma or even Delta. 

These strains scared the shirt (hold the r) out of us.  But now that the dominant strain is like a bad flu, we need to "breathe free" and "not live our lives in fear".  Except that some people are still at risk of dying.  More likely than most people were when the pandemic started.  So now, these people are banished from society.  Because masks are too uncomfortable, and we need to take the whole family to grocery store...

I know nothing is going to change from my rant, and that no amount of calling for compassion will make certain people compassionate.  I just wish there was a little more that we could do for those at risk. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bomb squad on April 21, 2022, 08:25:05 PM
In my circle, 1 in 4 is about right.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 21, 2022, 09:15:06 PM
I misread what you said... I don't agree... i think the numbers are higher than 1 in 4... much higher... like I said, 75% of my staff have had it, most of my friends have had it, too many of my twitter peeps have had it...  home testing has caused seriously under reporting of cases... and while Omicron and BA2 are much less likely to cause bad outcomes, hospital numbers are not dropping by a commensurate amount, in fact they are rising. 

Omicron and BA2 are not as deadly, thank goodness.  The Flu kills a number of people every year, and we have accepted that as a fact, even though we do have vaccines that could prevent most outbreaks, and mitigation (masks) that could prevent most spread.  I think we are allowing COVID to enter into that realm of acceptability.  "I'm gonna get it, its going to give me a headache and some other symptoms, and I'll get better" seems to be the majority consensus, which was not the case with Alpha, Beta, Gamma or even Delta. 

These strains scared the shirt (hold the r) out of us.  But now that the dominant strain is like a bad flu, we need to "breathe free" and "not live our lives in fear".  Except that some people are still at risk of dying.  More likely than most people were when the pandemic started.  So now, these people are banished from society.  Because masks are too uncomfortable, and we need to take the whole family to grocery store...

I know nothing is going to change from my rant, and that no amount of calling for compassion will make certain people compassionate.  I just wish there was a little more that we could do for those at risk.
 

I do understand your worry and concern as an at-risk family. Certainly the past 2 year has an especially difficult time for you.

I do have to wonder, though, how reasonable it really is to ask everyone to do even simple things like going to the grocery store as a family or to go to a concert unmasked (2 things I have done in the last week) for more than 2 years? When this whole thing started, I knew it was important to take the measures seriously and weather the storm for the common good, but at that time I knew there would be an expiration date for how long it would be reasonable to ask people to tolerate even those simple things once "the worst of covid" was over (not exactly saying that's true at this time or not). I still wear a mask in the grocery store to "sort of try to protect others" but I've taken it off at the gym as I was down to the last one wearing one and it felt pointless. I've never been too worried about myself, it's been about other people the whole time so without widespread compliance it's a bit moot.

I don't think the time for compassion is over but I do think the time to accept the longer term reality of this is pretty much here, barring an outbreak of a very deadly variant...which could happen, but is it reasonable to assume it is and live restricted just in case it does?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 12:12:56 AM
I do understand your worry and concern as an at-risk family. Certainly the past 2 year has an especially difficult time for you.

I do have to wonder, though, how reasonable it really is to ask everyone to do even simple things like going to the grocery store as a family or to go to a concert unmasked (2 things I have done in the last week) for more than 2 years? When this whole thing started, I knew it was important to take the measures seriously and weather the storm for the common good, but at that time I knew there would be an expiration date for how long it would be reasonable to ask people to tolerate even those simple things once "the worst of covid" was over (not exactly saying that's true at this time or not). I still wear a mask in the grocery store to "sort of try to protect others" but I've taken it off at the gym as I was down to the last one wearing one and it felt pointless. I've never been too worried about myself, it's been about other people the whole time so without widespread compliance it's a bit moot.

I don't think the time for compassion is over but I do think the time to accept the longer term reality of this is pretty much here, barring an outbreak of a very deadly variant...which could happen, but is it reasonable to assume it is and live restricted just in case it does?

I am grateful for the people that have been vaccinated, and for those that have made sacrifices through the tough parts of this pandemic. 

We have entered a time that is much les dangerous for most, but as much as people have the right to not wear masks, there should be the right to require mitigation in certain instances.  Places where there are concentrations of at rick people (hospitals, long term care facilities, doctors offices) or places where exposure is unavoidable (planes, trains, transit).  And businesses (retail, restaurants) should be allowed to invoke restrictions without prejudice / persecution for the protection and comfort of thier employees / patrons. 

Its a mask.  We have learned how to tolerate them over the last two years, its not some violation of your rights like the convoy idiots would have people believe.  And its not like there won't be the majority of places / businesses that sill have no restrictions.

When restrictions were lifted, you know people were hesitant to go out the same way they did when they felt safer.  Some may have reveled in the "freedom", but I think many more decided to stay home.  I know I haven't been to a sit down restaurant or a movie since restrictions were lifted, and I know a lot of people in the same boat.  But if a restaurant had a mitigation area, or a "restricted" night, I'd probably go to that restaurant. 

Not sure how the mask mandate lifting for air travel is working so far, but Westjet just had a 15% off any flight sale for the first time I've seen in a while... I guess we will see what the numbers are like and if reservations / cancellations are affected, no doubt we will hear about it.  I still think the old smoking / non-smoking dynamic for planes and restaurants could be adopted for mitigation / non mitigation...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 22, 2022, 01:40:37 PM
I am grateful for the people that have been vaccinated, and for those that have made sacrifices through the tough parts of this pandemic. 

We have entered a time that is much les dangerous for most, but as much as people have the right to not wear masks, there should be the right to require mitigation in certain instances.  Places where there are concentrations of at rick people (hospitals, long term care facilities, doctors offices) or places where exposure is unavoidable (planes, trains, transit).  And businesses (retail, restaurants) should be allowed to invoke restrictions without prejudice / persecution for the protection and comfort of thier employees / patrons. 

Its a mask.  We have learned how to tolerate them over the last two years, its not some violation of your rights like the convoy idiots would have people believe.  And its not like there won't be the majority of places / businesses that sill have no restrictions.

When restrictions were lifted, you know people were hesitant to go out the same way they did when they felt safer.  Some may have reveled in the "freedom", but I think many more decided to stay home.  I know I haven't been to a sit down restaurant or a movie since restrictions were lifted, and I know a lot of people in the same boat.  But if a restaurant had a mitigation area, or a "restricted" night, I'd probably go to that restaurant. 

Not sure how the mask mandate lifting for air travel is working so far, but Westjet just had a 15% off any flight sale for the first time I've seen in a while... I guess we will see what the numbers are like and if reservations / cancellations are affected, no doubt we will hear about it.  I still think the old smoking / non-smoking dynamic for planes and restaurants could be adopted for mitigation / non mitigation...

I don't really disagree with any of that.

One thing though, I think you're overestimating the amount of folks that are hesitant to proceed out "as normal" since restrictions were lifted. I know I did. I really expected things to ramp slowly and that's not been my experience at all. Like I said, I was the last to wear a mask in a lot of settings I go to. When I went to a restaurant for pregame drinks before a concert last week, I walked in with my mask thinking that the staff would have them on and that the "new normal" would be to have the mask unless seated but I turned out to be the only one in the packed, shoulder-to-shoulder place and so I embarrassingly took it off. Then the concert itself was metal and I had floor tickets so it was a mosh pit which is the polar opposite of covid restrictions! I cannot believe I haven't gotten it yet. Then again, I thoroughly believe I had it around New Year's but 5 tests over 5 days wasn't able to capture it..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 02:52:57 PM
I don't really disagree with any of that.

One thing though, I think you're overestimating the amount of folks that are hesitant to proceed out "as normal" since restrictions were lifted. I know I did. I really expected things to ramp slowly and that's not been my experience at all. Like I said, I was the last to wear a mask in a lot of settings I go to. When I went to a restaurant for pregame drinks before a concert last week, I walked in with my mask thinking that the staff would have them on and that the "new normal" would be to have the mask unless seated but I turned out to be the only one in the packed, shoulder-to-shoulder place and so I embarrassingly took it off. Then the concert itself was metal and I had floor tickets so it was a mosh pit which is the polar opposite of covid restrictions! I cannot believe I haven't gotten it yet. Then again, I thoroughly believe I had it around New Year's but 5 tests over 5 days wasn't able to capture it..

We all live in different circles, and I know that the younger crowds are done with COVID and in general don't care.  And there are enough of those to pack certain venues, like the Pal. where one of my staff caught it (she was the oldest one in the crowd, but all her posse got it.  Her daughter (birthday) had the worst outcome)

Many places have retained masks for staff, others haven't.  Our local Co-Op grocery has, and our local Save On hasn't.  My wife will not go to Save On anymore because of that.  Likewise, local McMuun, no staff masks, local Home Depot still masking.  Guess which one I go to exclusively now?

There are, no doubt, some venues that have had a drop in business since restrictions ended.  After they lifted vaccine requirements for theatres, I was amazed at how few seats would show up as sold on their ticketing site.  Anecdotal, and I don't know what the actual numbers are, and would love to know.  I thought for sure there wold be huge crowds, but I guess the number of un-vaxxed who could now go were far outnumbered by those who just weren't ready to be awash in droplets from potentially un-vaxxed patrons.  If theatres had "Vaxxed Wednesdays" and required proof of vaccine, I think they'd get a good turnout... similarly if places like the Keg did that... and had all staff masked...

We have a "normal" now that is a mish mosh of vaccine, masks and "freedom".  I just think we need to have a "virus mitigation normal" that is allowed to exist without anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers attacking and violating those people's freedoms to be safer.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bluengold204 on April 22, 2022, 03:44:49 PM
We all live in different circles, and I know that the younger crowds are done with COVID and in general don't care.  And there are enough of those to pack certain venues, like the Pal. where one of my staff caught it (she was the oldest one in the crowd, but all her posse got it.  Her daughter (birthday) had the worst outcome)

Many places have retained masks for staff, others haven't.  Our local Co-Op grocery has, and our local Save On hasn't.  My wife will not go to Save On anymore because of that.  Likewise, local McMuun, no staff masks, local Home Depot still masking.  Guess which one I go to exclusively now?

There are, no doubt, some venues that have had a drop in business since restrictions ended.  After they lifted vaccine requirements for theatres, I was amazed at how few seats would show up as sold on their ticketing site.  Anecdotal, and I don't know what the actual numbers are, and would love to know.  I thought for sure there wold be huge crowds, but I guess the number of un-vaxxed who could now go were far outnumbered by those who just weren't ready to be awash in droplets from potentially un-vaxxed patrons.  If theatres had "Vaxxed Wednesdays" and required proof of vaccine, I think they'd get a good turnout... similarly if places like the Keg did that... and had all staff masked...

We have a "normal" now that is a mish mosh of vaccine, masks and "freedom".  I just think we need to have a "virus mitigation normal" that is allowed to exist without anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers attacking and violating those people's freedoms to be safer.

To be honest I don?t think you really have a clue about what your talking about.  I don?t think any business is now suffering from restrictions being lifted.  I would say it?s probably the opposite.  Movie theatres in general is a dying business, especially with streaming services putting movies out quicker and quicker.  The Batman is already streamable on Crave.  I just went to the keg last week (Garry St location).  There was 40 min wait times to get a table and the lobby packed with people waiting.  We had a reservation so we were good but certainly didn?t look like they were hurting for business.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 22, 2022, 06:02:35 PM
We all live in different circles, and I know that the younger crowds are done with COVID and in general don't care.  And there are enough of those to pack certain venues, like the Pal. where one of my staff caught it (she was the oldest one in the crowd, but all her posse got it.  Her daughter (birthday) had the worst outcome)

Many places have retained masks for staff, others haven't.  Our local Co-Op grocery has, and our local Save On hasn't.  My wife will not go to Save On anymore because of that.  Likewise, local McMuun, no staff masks, local Home Depot still masking.  Guess which one I go to exclusively now?

There are, no doubt, some venues that have had a drop in business since restrictions ended.  After they lifted vaccine requirements for theatres, I was amazed at how few seats would show up as sold on their ticketing site.  Anecdotal, and I don't know what the actual numbers are, and would love to know.  I thought for sure there wold be huge crowds, but I guess the number of un-vaxxed who could now go were far outnumbered by those who just weren't ready to be awash in droplets from potentially un-vaxxed patrons.  If theatres had "Vaxxed Wednesdays" and required proof of vaccine, I think they'd get a good turnout... similarly if places like the Keg did that... and had all staff masked...

We have a "normal" now that is a mish mosh of vaccine, masks and "freedom".  I just think we need to have a "virus mitigation normal" that is allowed to exist without anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers attacking and violating those people's freedoms to be safer.

Yeah I don't think this is true. It'll take a while for things to get back to pre-covid numbers but in my anecdotal experience places are pretty bumping, especially compared to pre-lifting of restrictions. There might be a few older folks who aren't but it seems to be a pretty small minority.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 22, 2022, 06:27:00 PM
To be honest I don?t think you really have a clue about what your talking about.  I don?t think any business is now suffering from restrictions being lifted.  I would say it?s probably the opposite.  Movie theatres in general is a dying business, especially with streaming services putting movies out quicker and quicker.  The Batman is already streamable on Crave.  I just went to the keg last week (Garry St location).  There was 40 min wait times to get a table and the lobby packed with people waiting.  We had a reservation so we were good but certainly didn?t look like they were hurting for business.

Not saying every business will be affected every day... especially places that had lineups pre-covid on busy nights.  Just saying, there are customers out there they may not be reaching now, where they could with a "safety night"...  sort of like when CostCo opened up early for first responders and seniors..

With "at risk" people being told "You are on your own", it would be nice to get some help in making life a little more "normal".  Without the haters crashing the party, demanding to be allowed in unvaxxed and unmasked... because you know the moment a store/restaurant offers an off time opportunity for "at risk" clients to enjoy mitigated service, the "freedom convoy" will be there demanding entry during those times, even though they would have full access 90% of the time...  

The reason the big screen still exists, and the paradigm of first release being on the big screens is because of the event.  Watching in a room full of people, with a THX sound system ratting your bones, on a screen bigger than your house, its an event people pay for.  Theatre popcorn, expensive candies, 3d glasses...  its not going the way of the DVD any time soon.  With Netflix tanking, there might be a move back to theatrical release to be able to pay for production of blockbusters.  

Making it safe in our new world is the key.  Ventilation, spacing, and yes, even vaccine status can make it safer.  "At risk Wednesdays" could actually give theatres added income, rather than decreased.  Go back to pandemic 25% capacity (probably triple the current sales, or more) and require vaccine status / mask when mobile.  There are a large number of people out there that don't feel comfortable with the current situation who may not even be at risk who would take advantage.

Yeah I don't think this is true. It'll take a while for things to get back to pre-covid numbers but in my anecdotal experience places are pretty bumping, especially compared to pre-lifting of restrictions. There might be a few older folks who aren't but it seems to be a pretty small minority.

Again, it depends on the circles you travel in.  There are many people "at risk", who are on immunosuppressants, cancer treatments or in recovery, have asthma or diabetes or have other health concerns that are scared to get COVID, even if the new variants aren't as dangerous.  People are still dying, and it is still scary to some of us.   


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 23, 2022, 03:28:48 AM
As much as I support the wearing of masks in public and vaccinations, I can't see the government putting restriction back in place to protect the vulnerable. The government has made it very clear that we have to learn how to live with Covid. It's been 2 years and most people are feed up with Covid and want to get out and enjoy there freedom again. I believe if you feel uncomfortable in public spaces as we do, wear your mask, wash your hands, and keep up on your vaccinations.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 23, 2022, 12:47:58 PM
As much as I support the wearing of masks in public and vaccinations, I can't see the government putting restriction back in place to protect the vulnerable. The government has made it very clear that we have to learn how to live with Covid. It's been 2 years and most people are feed up with Covid and want to get out and enjoy there freedom again. I believe if you feel uncomfortable in public spaces as we do, wear your mask, wash your hands, and keep up on your vaccinations.

Restrictions do not just reduce vulnerable people's risk, they also reduce everyone's risk.  We are entering a stage where COVID's main effect is not death, but rather illness and debilitation.  People who get COVID may not die, but they do get sick, lose time from work, and many suffer long term effects that change their lives.

My biggest concerns lie in the health care systems.  COVID being over would be amazing, surgeries and cancer treatments could get back to normal, ICU beds would be available,  and life for people with nonCOVID health conditions/emergencies could expect the treatment we had pre-COVID.

At risk people are still dying, and healthy people are ending up in hospital and ICU, and with the limited dta we are getting, they are needing hospital care at increasing rates. 

Seatbelt laws went into effect because too many people were getting injured or dying.  So, now every time I get in a car, I have to put on an uncomfortable restraint, and if I do not, I can get a large fine.  We all quibbled about it (those of us old enough to remember), but it is accepted by all now.  This is just one instance of regulation put in place to protect us from ourselves.  Sticking with cars, you need a valid license, and a car that is subject to safety inspections, must obey traffic signs/signals, even if they are inconvenient.  But we accept they are for the safety of everyone, and obey.  And still, cars are a leading cause of preventable death, and disability. 

Health inspections of food plants through to restaurants.  Building inspections for electrical and structural safety.  Occupancy limits on facilities.  MMR vaccine requirements to attend public schools. Our society is full of rules that are designed to protect us from us, and from each other. 

There is no reason why masks or mandatory vaccines should not become part of that structure.  One guy puts a bomb in his shoe, and we all take off our shoes in airports.  One group of terrorists use boxcutters to hijack and weaponize planes, and I can't take a keychain penknife with a 1" blade on a plane, let alone nail clippers.  Again, all accepted limitations.

But masks and vaccines got weaponized by certain political factions, and suddenly "our freedoms are in peril".  Doesn't matter that our healthcare systems are pushed beyond where they should collapse and only through the heroic efforts of our HCW's who are burning out now.  Doesn't matter that patients are sent to other provinces, or worse, Cancer patients have treatments delayed catastrophically because beds are full. 

We all know this, and many people agree that we should be cautious, and feel that just a little caution might go a long way to fixing the issue.  But that vocal minority whips up rhetoric to make that group in the middle sympathetic to their politically motivated cause.  And the pandemic effects continue, not just un-abated, but now enhanced to where a much less virulent strain is actually causing an increase in hospitalizations.  Places like New Zealand had almost no cases, dozens a day until they reopened to the world at the start of this year, and now, 10,000 cases a day.  Thankfully, due to vaccines and therapeutics, 627 total deaths, one third of our provinces total with 5 times our population.  We did a great job off the hop here, closing borders and mitigating, like NZ did, but we opened up too much and too soon, with deadly results.

I know regulations are going to be hard politically to bring back (unless we see a new variant), but I wish there could be some "Anti persecution" laws put in place to defend people and businesses that choose to offer safe services.  We need to let reasonable people be free to protect themselves and their community without fear of attack.  Make vaccine/mask protesters face hate crime charges, which is exactly what they are.  Attacking people based on their beliefs.  Go have your convoys, boycott business, have COVID parties to reach herd immunity.  But leave people who disagree alone to live their lives and do business peacefully. 

That's all..


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 23, 2022, 02:16:03 PM

Again, it depends on the circles you travel in.  There are many people "at risk", who are on immunosuppressants, cancer treatments or in recovery, have asthma or diabetes or have other health concerns that are scared to get COVID, even if the new variants aren't as dangerous.  People are still dying, and it is still scary to some of us.   

You?re right that there are factions of folks still very concerned for numerous reasons, but what I?m saying is that I think this number is way, way smaller than you do.

Regarding your long post?.are you suggesting that we live with restrictions and mandates forever? If so, that is absolutely off the table with the vast majority of people. Measures were a good thing and needed during the worst of covid but that was all only practical for a temporary period of time. This isn?t driven by the convoyers, it?s regular people who have reached restriction exhaustion. It was only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 23, 2022, 04:48:00 PM
You?re right that there are factions of folks still very concerned for numerous reasons, but what I?m saying is that I think this number is way, way smaller than you do.

Regarding your long post?.are you suggesting that we live with restrictions and mandates forever? If so, that is absolutely off the table with the vast majority of people. Measures were a good thing and needed during the worst of covid but that was all only practical for a temporary period of time. This isn?t driven by the convoyers, it?s regular people who have reached restriction exhaustion. It was only a matter of time.

I total agree. Now with that said my wife's office still required staff and quests to wear a mask at all times. So far no has complained.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 23, 2022, 07:05:54 PM
You?re right that there are factions of folks still very concerned for numerous reasons, but what I?m saying is that I think this number is way, way smaller than you do.

Regarding your long post?.are you suggesting that we live with restrictions and mandates forever? If so, that is absolutely off the table with the vast majority of people. Measures were a good thing and needed during the worst of covid but that was all only practical for a temporary period of time. This isn?t driven by the convoyers, it?s regular people who have reached restriction exhaustion. It was only a matter of time.

I'm not saying that we need the 100% mitigation of the initial COVID response, but there is a place for some mitigation without discrimination or hate.  And there should be similar vaccine requirements as there were for MMR for places like schools as well as for LTC facilities (clients and workers).  The fake news about vaccines being dangerous needs to be dispelled, and we have to de=politicize their use, just like MMR / autism was dispelled and *most* people have accepted them as safe (there are those crazies you will never convince with actual science). 

We learned a lot about how not to act during a aerosol borne viral pandemic, we need to not abandon it, because its not going to be another 100 years until the next one.  Avian flu is spreading right now, who knows if it will make the jump to humans... or any of thousands of other viruses.  Or even a terror attack with a weaponized viral strain.

Just saying, we need to remove the rhetoric, the "freedum convoy" antimask/antivax/antiscience people who will attack anyone who chooses to be safe, and provide safety for their clients.  We wouldn't stand for an Asian or Jewish business being attacked for their origin or beliefs, the perps would be tracked down and charged with hate crimes.  Yet stores that displayed "masks required" signs *while there was a mask mandate in place* had rocks thrown through their doors.  We were legitimately concerned for our safety in actually obeying these mandates, because of the hate out there.  That has to stop.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 23, 2022, 08:48:14 PM
I'm not saying that we need the 100% mitigation of the initial COVID response, but there is a place for some mitigation without discrimination or hate.  And there should be similar vaccine requirements as there were for MMR for places like schools as well as for LTC facilities (clients and workers).  The fake news about vaccines being dangerous needs to be dispelled, and we have to de=politicize their use, just like MMR / autism was dispelled and *most* people have accepted them as safe (there are those crazies you will never convince with actual science). 

We learned a lot about how not to act during a aerosol borne viral pandemic, we need to not abandon it, because its not going to be another 100 years until the next one.  Avian flu is spreading right now, who knows if it will make the jump to humans... or any of thousands of other viruses.  Or even a terror attack with a weaponized viral strain.

Just saying, we need to remove the rhetoric, the "freedum convoy" antimask/antivax/antiscience people who will attack anyone who chooses to be safe, and provide safety for their clients.  We wouldn't stand for an Asian or Jewish business being attacked for their origin or beliefs, the perps would be tracked down and charged with hate crimes.  Yet stores that displayed "masks required" signs *while there was a mask mandate in place* had rocks thrown through their doors.  We were legitimately concerned for our safety in actually obeying these mandates, because of the hate out there.  That has to stop.

I think it's time you ran for office. Do like Obby and throw your hat in the ring.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 24, 2022, 04:18:40 PM
I think it's time you ran for office. Do like Obby and throw your hat in the ring.

Love to, but far too many skeletons in the closet...  have to be squeaky clean to survive the microscope of running for office. 

And far too many idiots I'd have to deal with.  I do not suffer fools well.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_or_die on April 25, 2022, 07:00:34 PM
I'm not saying that we need the 100% mitigation of the initial COVID response, but there is a place for some mitigation without discrimination or hate.  And there should be similar vaccine requirements as there were for MMR for places like schools as well as for LTC facilities (clients and workers).  The fake news about vaccines being dangerous needs to be dispelled, and we have to de=politicize their use, just like MMR / autism was dispelled and *most* people have accepted them as safe (there are those crazies you will never convince with actual science). 

We learned a lot about how not to act during a aerosol borne viral pandemic, we need to not abandon it, because its not going to be another 100 years until the next one.  Avian flu is spreading right now, who knows if it will make the jump to humans... or any of thousands of other viruses.  Or even a terror attack with a weaponized viral strain.

Just saying, we need to remove the rhetoric, the "freedum convoy" antimask/antivax/antiscience people who will attack anyone who chooses to be safe, and provide safety for their clients.  We wouldn't stand for an Asian or Jewish business being attacked for their origin or beliefs, the perps would be tracked down and charged with hate crimes.  Yet stores that displayed "masks required" signs *while there was a mask mandate in place* had rocks thrown through their doors.  We were legitimately concerned for our safety in actually obeying these mandates, because of the hate out there.  That has to stop.

It sounds like you're having a bad experience with people acting confrontationally and/or violently about you choosing to have mask/vax policies. That's very unfortunate and agree that private businesses 100% have the right to implement whatever measures they like and if you don't like it you can suck rocks.

On the other hand, if you're a venue and you are hosting a heavy metal band with no masks and distancing....well, that's just fun (should you wish to partake).


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on April 25, 2022, 07:59:03 PM
It sounds like you're having a bad experience with people acting confrontationally and/or violently about you choosing to have mask/vax policies. That's very unfortunate and agree that private businesses 100% have the right to implement whatever measures they like and if you don't like it you can suck rocks.

On the other hand, if you're a venue and you are hosting a heavy metal band with no masks and distancing....well, that's just fun (should you wish to partake).

My customers are generally wonderful, and respect our encouraging them to mask when in store. We have a few that refuse, and I get that.  But we have had, on occasion, someone who comes in and asks about our mask policy and leaves immediately.  Definitely not a customer, and luckily so far, nothing has come of it.  But I do know a number of fellow local businesses that have had issues, which scares me.  Hopefully with the mandates gone, the wind is out of the crazies sails. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 25, 2022, 10:31:10 PM
My customers are generally wonderful, and respect our encouraging them to mask when in store. We have a few that refuse, and I get that.  But we have had, on occasion, someone who comes in and asks about our mask policy and leaves immediately.  Definitely not a customer, and luckily so far, nothing has come of it.  But I do know a number of fellow local businesses that have had issues, which scares me.  Hopefully with the mandates gone, the wind is out of the crazies sails. 

And yet my wife hasn't had one problem with staff, or guest visiting her business with her mask policy. A sign is on the door, and when they make an appointment their told that masks are mandatory.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 28, 2022, 02:36:59 AM
One of my buddies was telling me tonight at the game that he has an oral surgery planned for Wednesday of next week. He said they require you to be at least double vaccinated and show prove of that 5 days before the surgery. You also have to take a Covid test when you arrive at the clinic. Mask must is mandatory until the enter the operating room.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on April 29, 2022, 06:40:30 PM
A number of surgeries cancelled again this week due to people testing positive for Covid. Unfortunately these people go to the end of the line if there surgery is not life threating. Sad to think these are the same people that are ******** and whining about the surgery wait times.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 01, 2022, 11:24:47 AM
Valour FC home game postponed, as three Valour FC players and two coach's have tested positive for covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 03, 2022, 06:12:52 PM
Was watching Colbert last night, and he recounted his reason for being off the air last week was COVID.  He and his wife both had it... and he said even though he was double vaxxed and boosted, it was rough.  And then mentioned that it was rest and Paxlovid all week (still hearing options for anti-virals in Manitoba is spotty unless you have severe onset symptoms or are on immune suppressors)

His first guest recounted his episode with COVID, and then Colbert asked his band if any of them had had it, and they all raised their hands...

Every day, another friend or social media contact tests positive.  Its not going away, yet it seems like most people are acting like it has. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 03, 2022, 06:51:44 PM
Was watching Colbert last night, and he recounted his reason for being off the air last week was COVID.  He and his wife both had it... and he said even though he was double vaxxed and boosted, it was rough.  And then mentioned that it was rest and Paxlovid all week (still hearing options for anti-virals in Manitoba is spotty unless you have severe onset symptoms or are on immune suppressors)

His first guest recounted his episode with COVID, and then Colbert asked his band if any of them had had it, and they all raised their hands...

Every day, another friend or social media contact tests positive.  Its not going away, yet it seems like most people are acting like it has. 

No people are just learning to live with it.

Pan am clinic today. When you arrive you have to check in. While in the building you have to wear a mask which they supply you with. If you bring your own mask, they ask you to remove it and put on one of there masks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 03, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
No people are just learning to live with it.

Pan am clinic today. When you arrive you have to check in. While in the building you have to wear a mask which they supply you with. If you bring your own mask, they ask you to remove it and put on one of there masks.

Potato Potahto... I'd be much happier "living with it" if better, more complete information was continuing to be presented, and vaccinations continued, and therapies were widely available without having to jump through hoops, and nursing homes were not having outbreaks... Glad Pan Am is mitigating, I get the "use our masks" (many idiots out there think a gaiter is a "mask") but really think they should allow people to double mask, using their own plus the provided one. 

We are still recording deaths, our hospitals are still full, we still have wait lists for critical care and ER wait times are off the charts, with first responder staff harder and harder to find, so the remaining ones are getting burned out.  We are going to be in a world of hurt before we know it... and if we get one variant popping up that increases hospitalizations, BOOM.



Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 08:17:30 PM
So, second booster availability just changed... so I'm gonna go in the next couple weeks to cover me for my Vegas trip... and RBC now has Novavax, a non-mRNA type of vaccine that is even more efficient against infection even against Omicron...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 20, 2022, 09:24:13 PM
So, second booster availability just changed... so I'm gonna go in the next couple weeks to cover me for my Vegas trip... and RBC now has Novavax, a non-mRNA type of vaccine that is even more efficient against infection even against Omicron...

What are you going to do in a country where pretty much no one is wearing a mask???


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 20, 2022, 11:38:06 PM
What are you going to do in a country where pretty much no one is wearing a mask???

Getting double boosted,  going for the WSOP, and keeping my fingers crossed...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 26, 2022, 07:40:12 PM
Well everyone in our Manitoba family who is over 50 have now had there second booster shot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2022, 03:05:44 PM
Sounds like 25 more surgeries cancelled this week due to people having covid.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 27, 2022, 06:43:17 PM
Sounds like 25 more surgeries cancelled this week due to people having covid.

Due to patients having COVID or staff?

I'd hope they have a waiting list of alternate patients ready to go...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 27, 2022, 07:43:41 PM
Due to patients having COVID or staff?

I'd hope they have a waiting list of alternate patients ready to go...

Patients. ***** and complain about our back log and then go out and get covid a few days before your surgery.

Most of the surgery's where filled, however there were some that patients could make on short notice.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 27, 2022, 09:10:13 PM
Patients. ***** and complain about our back log and then go out and get covid a few days before your surgery.

Most of the surgery's where filled, however there were some that patients could make on short notice.

Wondering if we need a wholesale modification of how/where patients are treated.  There should be many different varieties of hospitals.  Having vulnerable patients in the same hospital as carriers of pandemic viruses doesn't make a lot of sense.  I've always said that maternity departments in hospitals are probably 10x too big, they should be exclusively for high risk pregnancies, an there should be "Birthing centres" for 90% of deliveries.   Same with ortho surgery, should never be in a hospital where infections are rampant.  And then make an infectious disease hospital that is specifically designed to house and isolate infectious patients, designed to prevent spread.  A cardiac hospital, and separate emergency trauma departments.   

Lumping them all together makes no sense, even from a logistics perspective.  Bigger does not mean cheaper...  sometimes economies of scale make sense, other times, getting bigger incurs more expense.

Pretty sure most people don't "Go out and get COVID" a few days before their surgery.  I'd also bet that most that are rejected for having COVID on day of don't even know they are infected... asymptomatic infection is rampant.  And with the new variants, even symptomatic infection is mistaken for allergies, hangovers, or just a cold.  I find myself testing every few days now, at the slightest symptom. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 28, 2022, 02:39:57 AM
Wondering if we need a wholesale modification of how/where patients are treated.  There should be many different varieties of hospitals.  Having vulnerable patients in the same hospital as carriers of pandemic viruses doesn't make a lot of sense.  I've always said that maternity departments in hospitals are probably 10x too big, they should be exclusively for high risk pregnancies, an there should be "Birthing centres" for 90% of deliveries.   Same with ortho surgery, should never be in a hospital where infections are rampant.  And then make an infectious disease hospital that is specifically designed to house and isolate infectious patients, designed to prevent spread.  A cardiac hospital, and separate emergency trauma departments.   

Lumping them all together makes no sense, even from a logistics perspective.  Bigger does not mean cheaper...  sometimes economies of scale make sense, other times, getting bigger incurs more expense.

Pretty sure most people don't "Go out and get COVID" a few days before their surgery.  I'd also bet that most that are rejected for having COVID on day of don't even know they are infected... asymptomatic infection is rampant.  And with the new variants, even symptomatic infection is mistaken for allergies, hangovers, or just a cold.  I find myself testing every few days now, at the slightest symptom. 

 Yes they don't go out and get covid on purpose, but there also not making there surgery a priority. If I had waited for 2 years to get a knee replacement, I would be on lock down 2 weeks before my surgery not at a 300 person wedding 10 days before my surgery.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on May 28, 2022, 02:51:39 AM
Yes they don't go out and get covid on purpose, but there also not making there surgery a priority. If I had waited for 2 years to get a knee replacement, I would be on lock down 2 weeks before my surgery not at a 300 person wedding 10 days before my surgery.

100% agree, but to most people, COVID is over... so no risk in going to the Pony, or a wedding, or a Bomber game with zero mitigation going on (at least its outside)... 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 28, 2022, 02:55:54 AM
100% agree, but to most people, COVID is over... so no risk in going to the Pony, or a wedding, or a Bomber game with zero mitigation going on (at least its outside)... 

The bad part for some of these people is they fall back about 3-6 months on the waiting list.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 29, 2022, 06:51:06 PM
Well our Ukraine family is getting vaccinated later this afternoon. Inna (mother), has had one shot, the two children have not had a shot yet.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 30, 2022, 05:25:56 PM
Well our Ukraine family is getting vaccinated later this afternoon. Inna (mother), has had one shot, the two children have not had a shot yet.

So everyone is felling a little rough today. Sore shoulders, headaches. Lot's of resting, no school work today. No English class tonight. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on May 31, 2022, 12:23:06 AM
So everyone is felling a little rough today. Sore shoulders, headaches. Lot's of resting, no school work today. No English class tonight. 

Yeah, second one took me out for a day.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 31, 2022, 02:32:43 AM
Yeah, second one took me out for a day.

When we told them that we have had 4 shots, they ask if the pain was the same every time. They were also surprised that there was no cost for the shots.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on May 31, 2022, 01:30:06 PM
When we told them that we have had 4 shots, they ask if the pain was the same every time. They were also surprised that there was no cost for the shots.

I was gonna ask, were there barriers to them getting the shots in Ukraine?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on May 31, 2022, 02:02:48 PM
I was gonna ask, were there barriers to them getting the shots in Ukraine?

It sounds like it. One shot seems to be the norm for adults up until the war started. Sounds like the second round was coming out this summer. Also sounds like if your job required you to travel you could get another shot. Children under 12 not a priority. Sounds like they were not getting Pfizer or Moderna. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 10, 2022, 01:38:10 PM
OK, 4th shot (second booster) done.

AZ, AZ, pF, Novavax.

Yes, went for a third modality of vaccine for this booster against general recommendation, but my research seems to show that a heterologous vaccine strategy is preferred in just about every vaccine protocol that came before COVID, and the limited studies done suggest it continues for COVID. 

Can't get any more heterologous than the 3 different vaccine modalities I now have on board.

Plus, Novavax has has some really good stats on prevention of the variants without any reduction of the bad outcome protection.

Not sure why it hasn't gotten more press, for those wary of the mRNA vaccines, this is an actual better option.  For the currently unvaxxed, this vaccine should be used as a silver bullet to calm their fears of microchips, or DNA alteration. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 10, 2022, 04:15:36 PM
Now over 2000 deaths in Manitoba.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 19, 2022, 06:11:10 PM
Mother-in-law tested positive for Covid. This is no surprise to me. The lady believes just because your vaccinated your good to go. So claims she does go anywhere. But 87 she is pretty active. Bingo on Monday, coffee group on Tuesday, grocery shopping on Wednesday, breakfast group on Thursdays, Friday is card club.

Started with a runny noise, then she thought she had a stomach flu, then a headache. Now she is very tired and sleeps a lot. No one from are family has had an in person visit with her in about 10 day. However my sister-in-law, saw her last weekend.

4 days later and she can hardly get out off bed to go to the washroom. Very tired and a super bad headache. Doesn't feel like eating. She claims in her 87 years she has never felt like this. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on June 22, 2022, 01:40:08 PM
Vegas, air travel and the World Series of Poker are all outbreak / superspreader situations.  So, I cancelled my trip.  Even forple vaxxed and fully stocked with N95 masks, its just not worth the risk.

Still hearing tons of people getting it, still having suppliers being behind on fulfillment due to staff shortages with people off with COVID... this is not over.  It is not as bad as when Delta ripped through, but it can still be deadly, or almost as bad, cause long term effects,,,


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on June 26, 2022, 08:40:39 PM
Day 8 and my mother-in-law still has covid. Still not feeling well, still refuses to see a Doctor or go to the hospital.

Still has a massive headache, and still sleeping a lot.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on June 27, 2022, 03:49:49 PM
https://www.cmaj.ca/content/194/25/E870 (https://www.cmaj.ca/content/194/25/E870)

KEY POINTS
- Compared with the other Group of 10 (G10) countries, Canada performed better than most in terms of percentage of the population receiving 2 doses of a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, and on measures assessing the direct effect of the pandemic: number of people infected, number who died from COVID-19 and total excess deaths.

- People in Canada experienced some of the most restrictive public health measures across a broad range of domains, including restrictions on public gatherings and school closures.

- Canada's economy showed similar growth in inflation and public indebtedness, but weaker gross domestic product growth than other countries.

- As Canada enters the third year of the pandemic, government and public health leaders should inform the public about the nation's successes and ongoing challenges, shape expectations regarding pandemic control measures that may be necessary in the months ahead, and focus public health restrictions on those that remain essential to contain spread of SARS-CoV-2 infection.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on June 28, 2022, 12:38:22 PM
Vegas, air travel and the World Series of Poker are all outbreak / superspreader situations.  So, I cancelled my trip.  Even forple vaxxed and fully stocked with N95 masks, its just not worth the risk.

Still hearing tons of people getting it, still having suppliers being behind on fulfillment due to staff shortages with people off with COVID... this is not over.  It is not as bad as when Delta ripped through, but it can still be deadly, or almost as bad, cause long term effects,,,

Cancelling the trip=good idea.
With all the flight delays and cancellations boarding a flight is a huge risk. The entire air travel industry is a joke right now.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 04, 2022, 03:42:33 AM
Mother-in-law finally tests negative.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 04, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
Cases in the US are up 100% over the last month... no idea what the hospitalization levels are... but it looks like travel / lack of boosters / total mask abandonment are having their role.  Sunshine, outdoors, heat were all supposed to be mitigating factors... guessing that pre-pandemic levels of air travel with no mitigation and seeking cool indoors are not a recipe for recovery... 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on July 04, 2022, 02:58:09 PM
Cases in the US are up 100% over the last month... no idea what the hospitalization levels are... but it looks like travel / lack of boosters / total mask abandonment are having their role.  Sunshine, outdoors, heat were all supposed to be mitigating factors... guessing that pre-pandemic levels of air travel with no mitigation and seeking cool indoors are not a recipe for recovery... 

It's another variant that's taken over in the US. BA-5 is reported to be much more resilient to antibodies, so it's likely able to move through the population more easily, even among those who've been vaccinated and/or previously infected.

Sounds like it's gaining steam in Ontario recently, too.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on July 06, 2022, 12:44:09 PM
Quebec getting hit hard with covid right now. 20 deaths and 147 new hospitalizations.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on July 06, 2022, 10:16:26 PM
Caught it in Brazil, numbers are spiking hard down here and we?re back to masks everywhere.  My case was super mild, I thought it was just allergies.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on July 07, 2022, 12:47:34 AM
So, one of the guys I play poker with went to play the tournament I was going to go to in Vegas....

Caught COVID, and continued playing in the tournament, and made it to the money, but was so sick he couldn't continue and shoved all in with 5 7 off, and was out.  $1750 in a $1000 tourney.... could have gone much deeper... almost a million for first...

Ended up there an extra 3 days, and still feels like crap after coming home.

My buddy now thinks skipping Vegas this year was a good idea...

Now I have to deal with another staff member testing positive... tough losing a full timer when you only have 7 staff, 2 full time...  lots of long shifts for me for the next week...  hope she didn't pass it to anyone else, we are still masking in store.


 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: pjrocksmb on July 13, 2022, 01:48:39 AM
Get your boosters my friends, suppose to be a Omni specific one out this fall.  I plan to get my 4th before traveling to Maui this Nov.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 04, 2022, 05:27:54 PM
Hospitalization have gone up each of the last two weeks. 7 people also dies last week. Also looks like a couple of nursing homes have outbreaks.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 18, 2022, 02:28:16 AM
My wife has a policy of no vaccination, no surgery. One of my new patients told her that because she had a tetanus shot in the last 2 years, she is exempt from the covid vaccine and is fully vaccinated. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on August 18, 2022, 02:54:50 PM
My wife has a policy of no vaccination, no surgery. One of my new patients told her that because she had a tetanus shot in the last 2 years, she is exempt from the covid vaccine and is fully vaccinated. 

I'm wondering if MonkeyPox was ripping through the general population as a sexually transmitted disease with an easily administered vaccine, how many people that have disavowed the COVID vax would embrace the Monkeypox vax? 

If polio suddenly becomes a thing again, a scary thought, will young anti-vaxxers line up for polio shots?  Us old people are safe.. we were vaxxed back in the day, but I'm not sure if/when it has started to be fashionable to not vaccinate for polio...

I sure hope sanity prevails and people start understanding the safety of vaccines.  When you read the list of side effects of ED and cosmetic (botox) treatments, and you hear the list of side effects rolled off in commercials for other new meds, adn then look at the billions of doses of COVID vaccine administered with negligible side effects (oh my arm got sore...  sorry, I didn't even get that one in 4 shots so far)... yikes...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on August 18, 2022, 06:25:03 PM
Unpaid covid fines will hurt your credit rating. My niece was doing a mortgage for a young couple when she did a credit check and found out they have over $2500 in unpaid covid fines.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 02, 2022, 02:43:28 AM
Covid starting to ramp up again. Hospitals showing an increase in numbers. My wife had no cancellations for the past three weeks. This week three, due to covid. This new vaccine, is a few months to late. Good for Omicron1, but considering we are see Omicron 5 now it's a little to late. US has a vaccine for Omicron 4 and 5.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on September 02, 2022, 01:40:52 PM
And back to school without masks... 5 day vacations for teachers that contract it, I hope there are a lot of subs available...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 02, 2022, 02:06:44 PM
And back to school without masks... 5 day vacations for teachers that contract it, I hope there are a lot of subs available...

I think the next few months are going to be a disaster, to be honest.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 02, 2022, 05:52:26 PM
Starting on the 12th, any MB resident 12 years and older can get a booster of their choice. (per Bartley Kives on Twitter)


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Jesse on September 08, 2022, 12:14:52 AM
And back to school without masks... 5 day vacations for teachers that contract it, I hope there are a lot of subs available...

We don't get any covid sick time anymore - any days missed have to come from our sick time.

You only have to be symptom free for 24 hours - not that anyone is monitoring it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on September 29, 2022, 07:48:56 PM
Our church did a bible camp on the weekend. 30 kids 13-17, and 6 adults. Yesterday, 18 of the kids tested positive and 3 adults. Some of these kids went to school on Monday and Tuesday, without being tested. The parents of every child on this outing were supply with three test kits. Didn't think to use them until the first positive test was reported.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 03, 2022, 07:24:22 PM
Hearing horror stories about airlines.  Almost no masks, and people coughing...

In the air, the recirculation systems are quite efficient.  But standing on the tarmac, and taxiing, they are dead air inside.  I've seen people with thier CO2 meters showing just horrible levels at the start and end of flights. 

They should have a light similar to the seat belt light, but for masks (there is a spot in the "No Smoking" sign area.  When the plane is in flight, much less need for masking, but when sitting with the air off, they are a deathtrap. 

They should also have a CO2 sensor with a large readout that people can see througout the plane (or several smaller ones), to scare them into a mask.   

Having student part timers is now becoming an issue, they seem to be getting COVID regularly, and while its not serious, it still means days off work.

Talked to a client yesterday who has 3 small kids, and all of  them has had it 3 times.  She is triple vaxxed, no issues, like a cold.  Kids are single vaxxed, a little harsher.  Partner is antivax, and had very serious symptoms (almost hospitalized).  But 3 times?  Yikes.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 04, 2022, 08:40:27 PM
Sounds like my niece is home from school with Covid. Sounds like 25% off her home room class has it.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 04, 2022, 08:58:40 PM
Sounds like my niece is home from school with Covid. Sounds like 25% off her home room class has it.

And I bet 50% also has it, is asymptomatic and isn't testing, and is spreading it on...

This is getting insane...

Sure, it is no where near as deadly for the general population as it was originally, the vaccines and treatments have seen to that, but there are still those of us at risk, even vaxxed and masked.

Had a sales rep waltz in past our "please mask" sign, coughing and snuffling, wanting to talk about special offer sheets on his products (that we do carry).  He proceeds to take out his binder, couch into his sleeve, and then start reeling out pages, licking his fingers for each one and trying to hand them to me (wearing a mask and staying 6 feet away). 

As a sales rep, he should have picked up on the signals, used one of the free masks he waltzed by, and offered to email me the info.  instead, he gets zero business and wastes the trip.

Normally, I would have asked him to mask or leave, but I was just so taken aback by his brazen attitude that I stood there in shock. 

 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 04, 2022, 10:24:48 PM
I am headed to Toronto on Friday morning for the Blue Jays wild card games this weekend. We will definitely be wearing KN95 masks on the flight. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: bluengold204 on October 11, 2022, 05:20:47 PM
And I bet 50% also has it, is asymptomatic and isn't testing, and is spreading it on...

This is getting insane...

Sure, it is no where near as deadly for the general population as it was originally, the vaccines and treatments have seen to that, but there are still those of us at risk, even vaxxed and masked.

Had a sales rep waltz in past our "please mask" sign, coughing and snuffling, wanting to talk about special offer sheets on his products (that we do carry).  He proceeds to take out his binder, couch into his sleeve, and then start reeling out pages, licking his fingers for each one and trying to hand them to me (wearing a mask and staying 6 feet away). 

As a sales rep, he should have picked up on the signals, used one of the free masks he waltzed by, and offered to email me the info.  instead, he gets zero business and wastes the trip.

Normally, I would have asked him to mask or leave, but I was just so taken aback by his brazen attitude that I stood there in shock. 

 

yikes is all i gotta say... and im not talking about the sales rep


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: BlueInCgy on October 11, 2022, 10:05:42 PM
I am headed to Toronto on Friday morning for the Blue Jays wild card games this weekend. We will definitely be wearing KN95 masks on the flight. 

I spend about 54 hours in planes and airports a month.  Mask rules vary around the world, and honestly I don?t know if it actually makes dramatic differences at this point because we?ve likely all had it once at least whether we know it or not.  I?m generally more concerned about recycled air in hotels than anything else.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 20, 2022, 03:37:14 AM
Got our Bivalent shots today. Same symptoms, sore shoulder, mild headache. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 20, 2022, 01:56:01 PM
Woke up this morning headache gone, shoulder a little stiff, but I have some fishing to do. lol


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 20, 2022, 03:46:04 PM
Booked my pFizer bivalent booster for next week.  Been waiting for the BA.5 coverage...

My research says that either bi-valent is great, Moderna is stronger and is effective against omicron, pFizer not as strong, but more specific to BA.5... I thought there would be more of a difference, but I'm happy to get the pFizer

AZ, AZ, pFizer, Novavax, pFizer bi-valent.  5 shots, 4 different varieties. 

Happy with the mix, and coverage, and will be in line for the next one when available.  I really, really don't ever want to see two lines on a test.  Ever.  Becasue I just know I will have an adverse outcome, either during infection or worse, long covid...
 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 20, 2022, 05:44:36 PM
We took the pfizer bi-valent. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 20, 2022, 05:44:58 PM
Woke up this morning headache gone, shoulder a little stiff, but I have some fishing to do. lol

Get at 'em! I found acetaminophen really helped with the the shoulder stiffness and general achiness post-booster.

Going after walters?


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 20, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Yes, we are hunting big walleye's today and tomorrow. Little cool on the water but warmed up once we found a nice honey hole.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on October 21, 2022, 02:42:33 PM
Yes, we are hunting big walleye's today and tomorrow. Little cool on the water but warmed up once we found a nice honey hole.

Ah, my envy. Hope you slayed!


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on October 24, 2022, 05:11:44 PM
Covid numbers going up, only about 5% are wearing masks in public. Children making up about 50% of the covid cases.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on October 26, 2022, 08:48:59 PM
So, shot 5 in the arm, and the flu shot.  AZ, AZ pF, Novavax and now pF bivalent with BA.5...

I know too many people with it, and getting over it.  This is not done, by any stretch, and we are heading into the prime transmission season for it.

Something that has been bugging me, I see all the anti-lockdown people (mostly in the US) crying about the "learning deficit" that lockdowns created, and that now it is being shown that children weren't at risk, so locking down schools was wrong and a waste.  None of them seem to realize there were more than children in a school.  Many of the teachers were at risk people.  Plunking them in the middle of a classroom full of germ farm kids would have been a death senence for many, many teachers and other school staffers.  But that message doesn't sell, does it.

Yes, I am concerned about where we are, and where we are going re:pandemics.  COVID isn't going to be the last one we will face, and how we come out of this will have a large influence on how we enter the next one.  And no, Monkey pox doesn't count, 

Avian flu is killing off huge numbers of birds, and is being carried by wild, migrating birds.  The farm where popular tik tok star Emanuel the Emu got it, and  99% of the birds on the farm died.  Turns out he got very very sick as well, but he didn't have it, just stress, and is recovering.  But Avian Flu is a real thing, and affecting American Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners.

Who knows what or how the next big one is going to hit, but much of the world is an overpopulated cess pool, with poor health care, hygiene and nutrition, and its only getting worse.  And idiots are playing with "gain of function" in viruses is just asking for trouble.  Its going to happen again, and the next one could make COVID look like a walk in the park. 

I'm just worried that the lessons being learned now are wrong, and are being spun to fit certain narratives, and will create a subculture that is going to poo-poo potential pandemics in the future, and be happy with a 75% survival rate next time around. 

I hope I'm wrong, and we don't see another pandemic for a century, and that the public will respond responsibly if it should.  But in light of present happenings, I think that is unlikely.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 01, 2022, 03:03:48 AM
Our neighbor dies at the age of 56. Apparently, she contracted covid 4 times in the past year and was not vaccinate. She believed that each time she got covid her immune system would get stronger. Very sad for her husband and son.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 02, 2022, 01:31:03 PM
Such a sad and preventable outcome.

Something I have noticed lately on social media is a shift...

Ant-vaxxers used to mean people who were opposed to the vaccines.

Now, it seems like anti-vaxxers are against the vaccinated.

Not sure how or why this switched, but it is saddening.

The rhetoric about Fauci, the CDC, WHO is also disturbing,  Quoting a pFizer exec's testimony that the vaccines were never tested to see if they prevented transmission... and making like that is an admission of fault/liability of some sort.  How do you study if they prevent transmission?  Why is that even a question?

And now, people are saying because the vaccines allow infection without symptoms (which is a great thing for the vaccinated, and one of the reasons to get vaccinated, to prevent bad outcomes), they potentially made it more likely to transmit, because infected people might not know they are infected.

No they are calling for inquiries and prosecution of those that saved countless millions of lives with mandates, mitigation and vaccines.

I really do hope that saner heads prevail, but I don't think they will. 

And when the next pandemic hits (and it will), we are going to be ill prepared to fight the way we did against COVID, and too many people will be victims of this rhetoric.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 03, 2022, 06:19:50 PM
Just got back into the city today. Stop off at No-Fills in Charleswood and noticed a lot more people wearing masks.

Oct. 23-29. 116 Hospitalized for covid, also 21 deaths. Over 90 people in the ICU.

My sister-in-law just tested positive for covid this morning. Was at a big Halloween bash on Friday night. Was to be heading to Mexico Saturday morning.
 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 14, 2022, 04:30:39 PM
800 people who tested positive for Covid escorted off a cruise ship in Australia.

My wife says the hospital she was working at on Saturday, had a ton of people coming in with flu like symptoms. Most haven't had a flu shot this year because they thought the Covid shot they received last year would be good enough. 


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 14, 2022, 05:27:51 PM
I've heard people call mask wearing "Virue signalling"

And I've heard most people take that as a negative.

When did virtue become a bad thing?

When did you letting people you care for their health become a bad thing?

I'm sorry, but masking is very effective and very easy.  I just bought 500 masks online for $50.  Made in Canada.  For staff and patrons.  It just makes sense...


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: Pigskin on November 14, 2022, 05:57:50 PM
I've heard people call mask wearing "Virue signalling"

And I've heard most people take that as a negative.

When did virtue become a bad thing?

When did you letting people you care for their health become a bad thing?

I'm sorry, but masking is very effective and very easy.  I just bought 500 masks online for $50.  Made in Canada.  For staff and patrons.  It just makes sense...

Yes, my wife's office staff are still wearing masks. Plus, if you come for an app. you have to put one on before entering the building.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 14, 2022, 06:13:07 PM
I've heard people call mask wearing "Virue signalling"

By people, I assume you mean idiots.

They're the same idiots who call masks muzzles, tyrannical, oppressive, etc.

Best to just ignore their incoherent ramblings.


Title: Re: Covid 19
Post by: theaardvark on November 16, 2022, 03:22:33 PM
By people, I assume you mean idiots.

They're the same idiots who call masks muzzles, tyrannical, oppressive, etc.

Best to just ignore their incoherent ramblings.

If they were an occasional encounter, 1 in 100, that is the easy solution.

Unfortunately, it seems they are a very visible minority, and a vocal one at that.

Face diapers, maskaholics, sheep... there seems no end to the vitriol they want to spew, to what end?  So *they* don't have to cover their faces?

Watch what they say if their dental hygienist isn't wearing gloves, or their lab tech isn't gloved to take a blood sample, or their surgeon isn't masked to do their operation.  God forbid thier sandwich artist doesn't don some poly hand covering.

Maybe we need masks that say "I wear this for you, and your kids"

My SIL is a high school teacher, teaching by zoom this week because he has it.  At times this year, he has had classes of less than 50% capacity.  He masks 100%, but there are no UV or HEPA filters in his class.  I am giving him my extra UV/Hepa unit when he returns to class...  how hard is it for schools to buy these?  Why is there any reluctance?

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