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Title: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on November 27, 2019, 02:56:10 PM
EDMONTON ? The Edmonton Eskimos have relieved Jason Maas of his duties as head coach, effective immediately.

Eskimos General Manager and Vice President of Football Operations Brock Sunderland will be available to media today at 2 p.m. in Multi-Purpose Room 6 on the third floor (near the team store) at The Brick Field at Commonwealth Stadium.

?Today?s decision was difficult and not taken lightly. I thank Jason for his dedication and hard work while also wishing him the best in his future endeavours,? says Sunderland.

Maas was named the 21st head coach of the Edmonton Eskimos on Dec. 14, 2015. After four seasons, he leaves with a 39-33 regular-season record and 3-3 post-season record that includes three division final appearances.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/11/27/esks-part-ways-head-coach-jason-maas/


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: The Zipp on November 27, 2019, 02:59:14 PM
Paging Rick Campbell...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue In BC on November 27, 2019, 03:03:56 PM
Paging Rick Campbell...

+1


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 27, 2019, 03:07:47 PM
Guarantee thats where Campbell ends up...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: blue_or_die on November 27, 2019, 03:16:21 PM
Where does Jason go? Do OTT and EDM trade HCs? Ottawa basically got Maas to an HC position by putting him as OC where he was very successful. Or does he end up an OC somewhere?


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: The Zipp on November 27, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
Where does Jason go? Do OTT and EDM trade HCs? Ottawa basically got Maas to an HC position by putting him as OC where he was very successful. Or does he end up an OC somewhere?

BC with Reilly and Ed Hervey?   Do Hervey and Maas get along?


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: TBURGESS on November 27, 2019, 03:26:05 PM
Where does Jason go? Do OTT and EDM trade HCs? Ottawa basically got Maas to an HC position by putting him as OC where he was very successful. Or does he end up an OC somewhere?
I doubt that Mass gets another HC job this year. He'd be a great OC choice for most teams.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2019, 03:52:25 PM
Maas ends up in BC, Campbell in Edm, Dinwiddie in Ott...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 03:55:07 PM
Maas ends up in BC, Campbell in Edm, Dinwiddie in Ott...

Condell more likely in OTT.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 03:56:08 PM
BC with Reilly and Ed Hervey?   Do Hervey and Maas get along?

Hervey hired him as HC in Edmonton so I would think he likes him.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 04:02:31 PM
Justin Dunk suggested that Marcel Bellefeuille was brought in by the Esks in late August and that rumblings were that he was HC-in waiting. That seems odd to me but JD is not often wrong.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 04:03:32 PM
Where does Jason go? Do OTT and EDM trade HCs? Ottawa basically got Maas to an HC position by putting him as OC where he was very successful. Or does he end up an OC somewhere?

If Lapo does manage to get a HC job, Jason Maas would be a nice OC to consider.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2019, 04:06:27 PM
If Lapo does manage to get a HC job, Jason Maas would be a nice OC to consider.

No.  Please no.  Is communication equipment part of the Operations SMS?  Not a fan of his histronics, and I don't think Oshea would be either.



Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 04:13:13 PM
No.  Please no.  Is communication equipment part of the Operations SMS?  Not a fan of his histronics, and I don't think Oshea would be either.



First of all an OC is in the booth and not on the field, secondly at the time Maas was hired as a HC it was because he was the best OC in the league. If he wants to break headsets from his perch above the field who gives a crap.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
First of all an OC is in the booth and not on the field, secondly at the time Maas was hired as a HC it was because he was the best OC in the league.

Sure, as was Lapo... but Lapo's personality fits into this team a lot better than Maas... and that is a huge part of the success of the team.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 27, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
I truly don't see Lapo getting a HC gig this off-season..to be honest


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 04:18:45 PM
I truly don't see Lapo getting a HC gig this off-season..to be honest

Me neither. I think interest in Lapo as a HC is over stated by his buddies at TSN.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 27, 2019, 04:22:48 PM
Me neither. I think interest in Lapo as a HC is over stated by his buddies at TSN.
Yup...Ottawa I bet will go new blood...And Hervey is gonna go with his type guy..which Lapo is not..He has history with Mass...as does Reilly...I'd be shocked if Mass is not in BC in some capacity...being it OC/*** HC....Or god forbid for BC as their HC...which would be foolish...he just not a guyI would want leading and being the spokesman for my team


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 04:25:04 PM
Yup...Ottawa I bet will go new blood...And Hervey is gonna go with his type guy..which Lapo is not..He has history with Mass...as does Reilly...I'd be shocked if Mass is not in BC in some capacity...being it OC/*** HC....Or god forbid for BC as their HC...which would be foolish...he just not a guyI would want leading and being the spokesman for my team

Hervey, Reilly...it just adds up that Maas may have become the front runner in BC. Not saying it's the right move for BC but he's got a couple of key believers in him there.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Pigskin on November 27, 2019, 04:25:32 PM
I heard Bobby Dice is interested in the HC job in Ottawa.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 04:28:10 PM
I heard Bobby Dice is interested in the HC job in Ottawa.

He probably is, but I doubt he gets it.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: kkc60 on November 27, 2019, 04:54:19 PM
Maas and Hervey reunion in BC? If so I'd say Campbell to Edmonton and LaPo to Ottawa


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: theaardvark on November 27, 2019, 04:56:01 PM
I heard Bobby Dice is interested in the HC job in Ottawa.

He would be a great choice, he deserves a shot more than most candidates.  I think he would be an awesome leader, which is what you need.  I can see him being an O'Shea type...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on November 27, 2019, 04:58:43 PM
Maas could easily land in BC as HC. Campbell to Edmonton seems as good as done. That leaves Ottawa. LaPo doesn't seem like a fit there (I think he's a better fit in Edmonton or BC). We could easily end up having him back.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: the paw on November 27, 2019, 05:05:25 PM
Justin Dunk suggested that Marcel Bellefeuille was brought in by the Esks in late August and that rumblings were that he was HC-in waiting. That seems odd to me but JD is not often wrong.

I think Marcel is a actually a decent HC.  He is definitely a better HC than an OC, I would say that.  His time in Winnipeg did not improve our offence, but just the way he carried himself was better than Tim Burke.  I also thought he got a lot of mileage out of his teams in Hamilton, given what he had to work with.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 05:08:05 PM
Maas could easily land in BC as HC. Campbell to Edmonton seems as good as done. That leaves Ottawa. LaPo doesn't seem like a fit there (I think he's a better fit in Edmonton or BC). We could easily end up having him back.

I really don't think Ottawa has much interest in Lapo. They are going hard after Masoli and the easiest way to get him is to bring in Condell.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: lenny on November 27, 2019, 05:08:48 PM
Zero surprise. Campbell is a good bet given his dad's connection to the Esks.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 27, 2019, 05:09:12 PM
and to Harris


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 27, 2019, 05:17:36 PM
I think Marcel is a actually a decent HC.  He is definitely a better HC than an OC, I would say that.  His time in Winnipeg did not improve our offence, but just the way he carried himself was better than Tim Burke.  I also thought he got a lot of mileage out of his teams in Hamilton, given what he had to work with.

I agree. It's just kind of an out of the blue thing though because he hasn't been mentioned in any HCing vacancies this decade really.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: blue_or_die on November 27, 2019, 05:22:54 PM
I think Campbell taps Claybrooks to be his DC in EDM.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Horseman on November 27, 2019, 05:36:07 PM
MOS and Maas both coached in Toronto together, so I'm pretty sure if we loose Lapo that MOS would seriously consider Maas for OC.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on November 27, 2019, 05:41:37 PM
If we lose LaPo, does he take Buck Pierce with him or does Buck stay and move up to OC?


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: The Zipp on November 27, 2019, 05:42:02 PM
All things I have read out of Edmonton is that the players support him and enjoy playing for him. 

I would consider him as an OC here if we needed one. 


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: BBRT on November 27, 2019, 05:43:52 PM
I think Campbell taps Claybrooks to be his DC in EDM.

Now that would be interesting! Seeing Claybrooks in Edmonton as the DC playing against his old team in Calgary - this would be more fun that watching him in BC as a HC. I think he would be a great fit as a DC in Edmonton and if Campbell comes in as HC I think Edmonton would be much improved in 2020.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: The Zipp on November 27, 2019, 08:39:12 PM
From Farhan:

I?m told both the #BCLions & #RedBlacks have formally asked for permission to speak to #Bombers OC @PaulLaPolice. I would expect #Eskimos to do the same. @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports @SportsCentre @cfl @TSN1040


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: dd on November 27, 2019, 10:53:05 PM
Maas to BC makes perfect sense...he's got history and chemistry with Reilly and Hervey.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 28, 2019, 06:48:47 AM
First of all an OC is in the booth and not on the field, secondly at the time Maas was hired as a HC it was because he was the best OC in the league. If he wants to break headsets from his perch above the field who gives a crap.

OC is in the booth in games, but on the field in practices.  Personality still matters at the OC position.

I don't want Maas here.  I'd rather take a chance on Buck.

As for breaking electronics: Condell wasn't much better -- did you see him smashing his handheld down on that booth shot on the 2nd 3rd down stuff?  Yikes.  Lapo handled his 2009 meltdown far better than Condell.

I really don't think Ottawa has much interest in Lapo. They are going hard after Masoli and the easiest way to get him is to bring in Condell.

If I'm HAM, I'm hanging on to Masoli if you want to win a GC.  After our little forum study on years-in-cfl for GC-winning QBs, it's clear that Evans doesn't have good odds at winning a GC even if he gets there every year for the next 3 years.  The study is what gave me great confidence our Bombers could pull off a win, 8-year vs 1-year starting.  Guess how many years Masoli has in the CFL?  About 8, right?

I don't think Masoli goes anywhere.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 28, 2019, 06:53:23 AM
I think Campbell taps Claybrooks to be his DC in EDM.

Hmm, that's actually a good idea.  However, I think Claybrooks has at least a 50/50 chance of proving to be as inept at being a DC as HC.  His previous success may have just been a product of the CGY system.  Not positive, but possible.  We shall see!  I'm pretty sure everyone is correct, though, in that he's done as an HC.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: blue_or_die on November 28, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
Hmm, that's actually a good idea.  However, I think Claybrooks has at least a 50/50 chance of proving to be as inept at being a DC as HC.  His previous success may have just been a product of the CGY system.  Not positive, but possible.  We shall see!  I'm pretty sure everyone is correct, though, in that he's done as an HC.


You might be right but just remember the last DC (or one of the last DCs, at least) in Calgary before Claybrooks was Chris Jones who, love him or hate him, had quite a career trajectory.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: theaardvark on November 28, 2019, 04:10:34 PM
A lot of good HC candidates out there, here's hoping (for us) that Lapo gets the interviews, and gets consideration, but is at best second on each list...

XFL denying Elizondo the opportunity to upgrade will probably make him really happy to spend a year there... 

I'm guessing that Jones and Claybrooks are going to make the "do we go with a rookie HC" question harder... deciding whether a candidate is better off for failing as a HC previously, if that failure was an indicator of his ability to be an HC, or that he just wasn't ready yet, versus whether a rookie candidate can come in and build the team, like an O'Shea, or have an immediate impact like Jones in MTL...

I am very selfish in my desire to keep the crew we had this year together.  I know that HC is a goal, and that every coach wants the big nameplate on his door, but is it wrong to be the best OC/DC in the league?  And let someone else worry about dealing with all the crap?


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on November 28, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
A lot of good HC candidates out there, here's hoping (for us) that Lapo gets the interviews, and gets consideration, but is at best second on each list...

XFL denying Elizondo the opportunity to upgrade will probably make him really happy to spend a year there... 

I'm guessing that Jones and Claybrooks are going to make the "do we go with a rookie HC" question harder... deciding whether a candidate is better off for failing as a HC previously, if that failure was an indicator of his ability to be an HC, or that he just wasn't ready yet, versus whether a rookie candidate can come in and build the team, like an O'Shea, or have an immediate impact like Jones in MTL...

I am very selfish in my desire to keep the crew we had this year together.  I know that HC is a goal, and that every coach wants the big nameplate on his door, but is it wrong to be the best OC/DC in the league?  And let someone else worry about dealing with all the crap?

I think everyone is wired a bit differently. Look at a guy like Stubler. He had one crack at the big headset, and it didn't go well. Seems to have been very content as a coordinator since then. Other guys get the taste of the top job and want to go back there. For a guy like LaPo, he likely still feels a bit of a chip on his shoulder for how things went down for him in 2012. The fact that he's taking three HC interviews now makes it pretty clear what his desires are.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: theaardvark on November 28, 2019, 04:48:16 PM
I think everyone is wired a bit differently. Look at a guy like Stubler. He had one crack at the big headset, and it didn't go well. Seems to have been very content as a coordinator since then. Other guys get the taste of the top job and want to go back there. For a guy like LaPo, he likely still feels a bit of a chip on his shoulder for how things went down for him in 2012. The fact that he's taking three HC interviews now makes it pretty clear what his desires are.

Has it been confirmed that he is taking the meetings?  I haven't seen that, but I would assume you'd have to regardless your desire.  If nothing else, it helps your bargaining position... unless you get rejected from all three and still haven't signed...

The key domino is this whole situation is O'Shea.  He needs to be retained under contract ASAP.  Then we know the budget that is left, and can dangle the carrot of playing/coaching with him for the rest of the contracts that need to be executed...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: BlueInCgy on November 28, 2019, 04:59:04 PM
I think everyone is wired a bit differently. Look at a guy like Stubler. He had one crack at the big headset, and it didn't go well. Seems to have been very content as a coordinator since then. Other guys get the taste of the top job and want to go back there. For a guy like LaPo, he likely still feels a bit of a chip on his shoulder for how things went down for him in 2012. The fact that he's taking three HC interviews now makes it pretty clear what his desires are.

I think the fact he was denied the opportunity to interview for the Sask job probably still plays in to the equation as well, despite the BOmbers rationale at the time.  That, and GC winning coaches tend to make the move up the ladder after a win.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 28, 2019, 05:06:23 PM
OC is in the booth in games, but on the field in practices.  Personality still matters at the OC position.

I don't want Maas here.  I'd rather take a chance on Buck.

As for breaking electronics: Condell wasn't much better -- did you see him smashing his handheld down on that booth shot on the 2nd 3rd down stuff?  Yikes.  Lapo handled his 2009 meltdown far better than Condell.

If I'm HAM, I'm hanging on to Masoli if you want to win a GC.  After our little forum study on years-in-cfl for GC-winning QBs, it's clear that Evans doesn't have good odds at winning a GC even if he gets there every year for the next 3 years.  The study is what gave me great confidence our Bombers could pull off a win, 8-year vs 1-year starting.  Guess how many years Masoli has in the CFL?  About 8, right?

I don't think Masoli goes anywhere.


Maas' temper tantrums were only a problem when he was on the sidelines running the show. There are zero reported incidents of him having temper issues when he was an OC.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 28, 2019, 05:06:59 PM
we probably pretty much know what the coaches SMS will be regardless as to when Osh is extended more or less..He was extended before..making good coin and a new deal will have a bump but it won't be astronomical


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 28, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
If we lose LaPo, does he take Buck Pierce with him or does Buck stay and move up to OC?

Given the option I am sure he would stay here.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on November 28, 2019, 05:07:53 PM
I think LaPolice will be gone..  too many HC vacancies to fill..  one team will pick LaPolice up very quickly..  My bet is BC...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 28, 2019, 05:09:16 PM
If we lose LaPo, does he take Buck Pierce with him or does Buck stay and move up to OC?

i doubt Buck would want to leave..has a good thing here..wife is from here, and he is the likely guy to move up..or get an expanded role if not the defacto OC...also not sure of his contract status going into 2020 but if under contract still we can deny any request from a team to kick his tires


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GCn19 on November 28, 2019, 05:09:59 PM
I think LaPolice will be gone..  too many HC vacancies to fill..  one team will pick LaPolice up very quickly..  My bet is BC...

There are a lot of good candidates, and Lapo may be the media's pick for a HC job I don't necessarily think he is anyone elses.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 28, 2019, 05:14:27 PM
I think the bigger question is...Will Hall be back and if he chooses to retire...where do we go from there?...In house?...outside the box...one of the usual suspects??

Myself, I hope he is back and he has done nothing this year to not warrant being back..although many this year lambasted him with regularity. Guy has what now?..3..4 cups as a coach?


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: theaardvark on November 28, 2019, 05:24:10 PM
I think the bigger question is...Will Hall be back and if he chooses to retire...where do we go from there?...In house?...outside the box...one of the usual suspects??

Myself, I hope he is back and he has done nothing this year to not warrant being back..although many this year lambasted him with regularity. Guy has what now?..3..4 cups as a coach?

Hall is 59...  where does the "retirement" idea come from?


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Jesse on November 28, 2019, 07:05:03 PM
Hall is 59...  where does the "retirement" idea come from?

He's been having health issues...family issues.

I'm not sure what he's going to do, but it might be crossing his mind.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on November 28, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
what he said above me...he was needing a cane last year....and has gone through a lot last few years...not saying he is considering it, but more a what if?..I hope he stays..continuity is a good thing and his players love him and will go through a wall for him..which they showed in play-offs


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: ichabod_crane on November 28, 2019, 10:15:22 PM
I think the bigger question is...Will Hall be back and if he chooses to retire...where do we go from there?...In house?...outside the box...one of the usual suspects??

Myself, I hope he is back and he has done nothing this year to not warrant being back..although many this year lambasted him with regularity. Guy has what now?..3..4 cups as a coach?


As a coach I think only 2 cups. He won at least one other as a player either with Sask or Calgary.

Former DC's out there are Benevides and Claybrooks. Claybrooks probably was not ready to be a HC yet and ran into a bad situation with that clown GM in BC selling the farm for a couple free agents, but he was really good as a DC in Calgary. Players really respected him.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: BigBomberFan on November 29, 2019, 01:03:55 AM
I would tend to think that LaPolice would go to Edmonton, and my reasoning for that is that Edmonton has a really good team--Harris as QB, CJ Gable, etc--and just need someone to tweak what is already there. BC and Ottawa would require more work; more from the ground up overhaul in which you can bring on more of your own people, but after having gone through that after we tried to get rid of all remnants of Mike Kelly, LaPolice has seen that it can be a difficult thing to try to right a sinking ship.

We'll see.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: the paw on November 29, 2019, 01:22:51 AM
I think Campbell is a!most certain to end up in Edmonton.  He and Sunderland know each other, he has had success with Harris, and he has that family connection to Edmonton.  Plus, I think Sunderland is more trustworthy than Hervey and the ownership is more stable.

Lapo is certain to get one of the other two jobs.  If I had to bet, I would say BC.  Apparently, Desjardin has interviewed Dinwiddie and Mark Kilam.  That suggests to me that Desjardin is not feeling terribly secure, and may be looking for an inexperienced fresh face that won't challenge him in the organization.

I don't think Maas gets hired to start the season.  He's not going to take an OC spot, he'll wait, knowing that Chamblin is on thin ice.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: The Zipp on December 02, 2019, 05:08:17 PM
Wow.  Shocked that all signs pointing to Campbell signing in BC and not Edmonton


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 02, 2019, 05:17:59 PM
My gut felling is Lapo will be back once again. To many family ties here now.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: BBRT on December 02, 2019, 06:56:14 PM
Wow.  Shocked that all signs pointing to Campbell signing in BC and not Edmonton

TSN is saying that a news conference is set for 3PM PST to make an announcement assume this will be to announce Campbell as their next HC.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Norm W on December 02, 2019, 07:05:32 PM
Done deal... TSN is confirming as is the CFL.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue72 on December 02, 2019, 07:51:58 PM
Will BC try to ask Reilly to take a bit of a pay cut so that they could bring in better players because of the SMS?


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue72 on December 02, 2019, 08:19:46 PM
Would BC release Reilly from his $720,000+ a year contract and bring in another guy like maybe Mosoli for around $425,000. You could surely better the teams plyers with that amount of cash. The QBs with the big pay day last year didn't make it to the finals, ( Reilly, Harris, Nichols, Mosoli, BLM ). Injuries happen so you really have to have a strong team to compensate for the loss of your staring QB. In BC case they spent heavy on 1 QB, ! Olinemen and 1 receiver, the rest of the oline was pretty bad and if you cover that one receiver they didn't have much more for the backup QB to work with. Reilly is a real good QB but not at $720,000.
Reilly might get a good contract in Toronto but how long would he last there and who would TO ( SMS ) have release to make that happen.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue In BC on December 02, 2019, 10:08:51 PM
Would BC release Reilly from his $720,000+ a year contract and bring in another guy like maybe Mosoli for around $425,000. You could surely better the teams plyers with that amount of cash. The QBs with the big pay day last year didn't make it to the finals, ( Reilly, Harris, Nichols, Mosoli, BLM ). Injuries happen so you really have to have a strong team to compensate for the loss of your staring QB. In BC case they spent heavy on 1 QB, ! Olinemen and 1 receiver, the rest of the oline was pretty bad and if you cover that one receiver they didn't have much more for the backup QB to work with. Reilly is a real good QB but not at $720,000.
Reilly might get a good contract in Toronto but how long would he last there and who would TO ( SMS ) have release to make that happen.

What players would want to go to Vancouver if they " dump " Reilly? We all know giving him that much money was not wise use of their SMS across their roster.

That wasn't his fault.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Cool Spot on December 03, 2019, 12:30:36 AM
What players would want to go to Vancouver if they " dump " Reilly?

If Reilly was making $720k and they drop him and sign Masoli for ~$420k, that's $300k they have to play with (right? As in, there's not some special rule that excludes Reilly from the salary cap?). You could use that $300k and try to attract six marquee players at $50k above what they are currently making. I bet several would move for a $50k pay-raise.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: The Zipp on December 03, 2019, 12:30:43 AM
What players would want to go to Vancouver if they " dump " Reilly? We all know giving him that much money was not wise use of their SMS across their roster.

That wasn't his fault.

Nope...well maybe indirectly it was his fault...but take the money and pay the price of getting royally destroyed game after game. 

If the Lions miss the playoffs again can we all agree that mike Reilly was the biggest overrated QB of the last three years. As it stands right now, led his team to no playoffs two years in a row in a league where 6/9 teams make the playoffs. 


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Blue In BC on December 03, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
If Reilly was making $720k and they drop him and sign Masoli for ~$420k, that's $300k they have to play with (right? As in, there's not some special rule that excludes Reilly from the salary cap?). You could use that $300k and try to attract six marquee players at $50k above what they are currently making. I bet several would move for a $50k pay-raise.

That's what we all said before and during TC. It was at the cost of the rest of their roster and it was apparent early. They didn't have a good enough roster before signing Reilly and then they didn't re-sign so many of their good free agents.

OTOH BLM got big money and lost some top talent but still were in the fight for 1st most of the season.

So coaching and ultimate roster decisions made dropped the Lions into the dumpster.

BTW. Thanks for not re-signing Rose so he could join the Bombers.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: trapper on December 05, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
Looks like Maas is the new Riders OC.

Riders are gonna have to add a few extra gatorade coolers to the budget.

Kidding aside, Maas has always been a good OC.  I like the signing.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: blue_or_die on December 05, 2019, 07:46:58 PM
Looks like Maas is the new Riders OC.

Riders are gonna have to add a few extra gatorade coolers to the budget.

Kidding aside, Maas has always been a good OC.  I like the signing.

Your gain is our loss, as a West opponent got stronger while we are about to lose our OC. I think Maas will work together great with CoFaj.

And I hate that.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Jesse on December 05, 2019, 08:00:25 PM
Just more confirmation:

@TSN_Sports
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@TSNDaveNaylor reported Thursday he's hearing Jason Maas has completed a deal to join the Roughriders as their new offensive coordinator, replacing Steve McAdoo, whose contract will not be renewed. #CFL #Riders


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 05, 2019, 08:05:59 PM
Your gain is our loss, as a West opponent got stronger while we are about to lose our OC. I think Maas will work together great with CoFaj.

And I hate that.

Maybe. It will be back to learning a new offense for Fajardo. I know he won some awards and impressed some people but I'm not totally sold on him yet. A lot of QBs looked good for a year and then faltered. He sort of came out of nowhere and I want to see more. He's definitely not bad but I don't know if he's great or a more of a middling Kevin Glenn type yet.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Jesse on December 05, 2019, 08:11:04 PM
Maybe. It will be back to learning a new offense for Fajardo. I know he won some awards and impressed some people but I'm not totally sold on him yet. A lot of QBs looked good for a year and then faltered. He sort of came out of nowhere and I want to see more. He's definitely not bad but I don't know if he's great or a more of a middling Kevin Glenn type yet.

Upgrading at OC should help his development, not hurt it. Unless they have some crazy style differences.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: trapper on December 05, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
Maybe. It will be back to learning a new offense for Fajardo. I know he won some awards and impressed some people but I'm not totally sold on him yet. A lot of QBs looked good for a year and then faltered. He sort of came out of nowhere and I want to see more. He's definitely not bad but I don't know if he's great or a more of a middling Kevin Glenn type yet.

The Riders changed their offense when Fajardo became the starter.  So in reality he had to learn two offenses before the third game of the season.  With Maas coming in now and building a Fajardo offense I think it will be SO much better for the kid.

Fajardo is not the 2nd coming.  He's no Ricky Ray or BLM or any other QB that was a superstar immediately.  But I always thought the Riders were weak at OC.  Now this offseason the offense will be built around Cody with an experienced and proven OC.  We will learn a LOT about Fajardo this year.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Pigskin on December 05, 2019, 08:45:44 PM
Could be fun to see him throwing thing around in the booth.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Jesse on December 05, 2019, 08:49:18 PM
Rick Campbell on reports of Jason Maas going to #Riders as OC:

"You always have to have a couple of answers. We'll see how it all shakes out. You never know. Sometimes news reports R true. Sometimes they're just rumours. You have to see how this all plays out." #CFL via
@TSN1040


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on December 05, 2019, 09:11:07 PM
The Riders changed their offense when Fajardo became the starter.  So in reality he had to learn two offenses before the third game of the season.  With Maas coming in now and building a Fajardo offense I think it will be SO much better for the kid.

Fajardo is not the 2nd coming.  He's no Ricky Ray or BLM or any other QB that was a superstar immediately.  But I always thought the Riders were weak at OC.  Now this offseason the offense will be built around Cody with an experienced and proven OC.  We will learn a LOT about Fajardo this year.
What did they change?...so in the course of 3 plays they changed things?..what you ran in the Hamilton game, and most after that looked pretty much the same as ther last 2 years...nothing seemed too different..constant quick slants...hitches and the occasional rainbow deep ball...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on December 05, 2019, 09:20:34 PM
The Riders changed their offense when Fajardo became the starter.  So in reality he had to learn two offenses before the third game of the season.  With Maas coming in now and building a Fajardo offense I think it will be SO much better for the kid.

Fajardo is not the 2nd coming.  He's no Ricky Ray or BLM or any other QB that was a superstar immediately.  But I always thought the Riders were weak at OC.  Now this offseason the offense will be built around Cody with an experienced and proven OC.  We will learn a LOT about Fajardo this year.

I agree we'll learn a lot about him this year. I doubt they changed their entire offense in a week or two and if they did he certainly didn't learn it by the third game. They maybe emphasised a different set of plays but the system would still be the system. The terminology and philosophies would be the same or similar. They may have evolved it over the season somewhat, probably simplifying things for him, but they didn't install a completely new offense I wouldn't think.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 05, 2019, 09:50:51 PM
The Riders changed their offense when Fajardo became the starter.  So in reality he had to learn two offenses before the third game of the season.  With Maas coming in now and building a Fajardo offense I think it will be SO much better for the kid.

Fajardo is not the 2nd coming.  He's no Ricky Ray or BLM or any other QB that was a superstar immediately.  But I always thought the Riders were weak at OC.  Now this offseason the offense will be built around Cody with an experienced and proven OC.  We will learn a LOT about Fajardo this year.

You're saying they changed their offence when they lost Collaros in order to accommodate Fajardo?  I doubt it, neither of them is that specialized or different in style that they had to make drastic changes to the QB position or play calling.  It's the same basic plays with options added to suit the QB's preferences.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: buckzumhoff on December 05, 2019, 10:28:03 PM
Personally think its a bad move Riders hiring Maas and BC hiring Campbell..He couldn't move the ball at all vs Hamilton with Harris. And Campbell will probably try to take a lot of our players. I don't think he knows how to build a team on his own. In Ottawa it was easy just pick off rosters. I hope we resign our secondary and linebackers. .


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: jdrattops on December 06, 2019, 02:51:57 AM
The Riders changed their offense when Fajardo became the starter.  So in reality he had to learn two offenses before the third game of the season.  With Maas coming in now and building a Fajardo offense I think it will be SO much better for the kid.

Fajardo is not the 2nd coming.  He's no Ricky Ray or BLM or any other QB that was a superstar immediately.  But I always thought the Riders were weak at OC.  Now this offseason the offense will be built around Cody with an experienced and proven OC.  We will learn a LOT about Fajardo this year.

The only thing that changes over in Riderville are the yearly excuses. 


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on December 06, 2019, 03:23:27 AM
Sask will be better now.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on December 06, 2019, 04:33:41 AM
Sask will be better now.
they got loads of free agents as well. Time will tell...


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: TecnoGenius on December 06, 2019, 04:51:01 AM
Looks like Maas is the new Riders OC.

Riders are gonna have to add a few extra gatorade coolers to the budget.

Kidding aside, Maas has always been a good OC.  I like the signing.

Meh.  I guess Riderville found their 2019 scapegoat in McAdont.  Well, he was pretty much universally hated at Riderfans forum for at least 2 years now.  The fans now have their pound of flesh.  Poor McAdont: he was loved less than Hall was loved here (before Hall won 3 playoff games for us that is).

It's funny, because didn't Cody and the SSK O have the most yards in 2019?  Like their OC didn't have anything to do with that?  Most wins in the west: guess McAdont was sleeping for those too!  How many yards and wins did Maas' bumbling Esks have again in the last 2 years, hmmm?

Sask will be better now.

Trying to look at this objectively, I see it as a wash.  On the plus side, Maas will probably run it more, and try more deep balls.  On the minus side, Maas will break things in the booth, bring anger and discord to the O, and thus take more O penalties.  SSK had a pretty good thing going with their dink & dunk quick ball control max-hold game.  Maas does not play that way.  We shall see if this makes them better or worse.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: booch on December 06, 2019, 01:37:23 PM
Meh.  I guess Riderville found their 2019 scapegoat in McAdont.  Well, he was pretty much universally hated at Riderfans forum for at least 2 years now.  The fans now have their pound of flesh.  Poor McAdont: he was loved less than Hall was loved here (before Hall won 3 playoff games for us that is).

It's funny, because didn't Cody and the SSK O have the most yards in 2019?  Like their OC didn't have anything to do with that?  Most wins in the west: guess McAdont was sleeping for those too!  How many yards and wins did Maas' bumbling Esks have again in the last 2 years, hmmm?

Trying to look at this objectively, I see it as a wash.  On the plus side, Maas will probably run it more, and try more deep balls.  On the minus side, Maas will break things in the booth, bring anger and discord to the O, and thus take more O penalties.  SSK had a pretty good thing going with their dink & dunk quick ball control max-hold game.  Maas does not play that way.  We shall see if this makes them better or worse.


It's funny...they lambasted him the previous year, then said he was great when Fajardo went on his run and that it was personnel...not the OC...now they are happy to see him go...so which is it?

Mass is overrated if you ask me...he was in a couple situations where he had good players, and his schemes and his philosophies are nothing spectacular or awe inspiring...heavy pass and longer developing plays and a tendency to ignore the run...and if the Rider's don't overhaul their o-line that will be a recipe for disaster there and ol Fartado will have more than his poor lil obliques to worry about and need more than Jesus Sprinkles to survive and thrive in that


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: bluebeard on December 06, 2019, 02:19:55 PM
Funny thing...most people said that of Regina last season and picked them to come in last.  They must have done something right to finish as high as they did or was it just horse shoes in their pockets.

Everyone thought that they would really be bad defensively when Jones left.  This was their strength.  They did luck out with Fajardo when given the chance.  Fajardo made McAdoo look good.  Is he a one year wonder (Fajardo) we shall see.  I just wonder who will pick up McAdoo as their OC or is he finished in the CFL.

So many questions on every team.  Should be a great off season.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: BBRT on December 06, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
they got loads of free agents as well. Time will tell...

I agree with Maas in as OC and with the number of free agents that they have not much is going to shake out until we get into the season. I think that will be the case for a number of teams. It will be interesting to see how well Maas handles the microscope that he will be under for every move he makes in Regina.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: ModAdmin on December 06, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
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We have added Jason Maas as offensive coordinator through 2021.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: In Motion on December 06, 2019, 11:29:13 PM
I'm very happy we didn't get Maas. I can't stand the man, plus I think he's overrated.
I guess time will tell.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: dd on December 07, 2019, 02:46:35 PM
There?s no way he was ever coming here. MOS would never put up with his childish tyraids on the sideline. Osh is all about discipline and this guys the poster child for lack of discipline. Should be a gong show in Saskatchewan, I can?t see mr awe shucks Dickenson  controlling this freak.


Title: Re: Maas Out as Head Coach in Edmonton
Post by: bluebeard on December 07, 2019, 05:08:11 PM
There?s no way he was ever coming here. MOS would never put up with his childish tyraids on the sideline. Osh is all about discipline and this guys the poster child for lack of discipline. Should be a gong show in Saskatchewan, I can?t see mr awe shucks Dickenson  controlling this freak.
Don't under rate Craig Dickenson.  He fired his DL coach, Mike Schepper(?) during the middle of last season when there apparently was trouble in the ranks and brought in another coach.  He is the boss and is in complete control of his coaches or so O'Day has stated. Remember, This was Chris Jones staff and he left late leaving Dickenson no choice.

It will be interesting to see what other changes Dickenson makes...if any.