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Title: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2019, 02:22:08 AM
Hope he's okay. As much as everyone talks bad about him I think we need him.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kronic on August 16, 2019, 02:29:20 AM
Lol, we definitely need him. If he?s out for any length of time, and I fear he?ll be gone for at least a month, those ******** about Nichols are gonna find out exactly why he?s starting over Streveler.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2019, 02:31:15 AM
I agree. I'm hoping it's nothing and hell be back next week.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 16, 2019, 02:32:13 AM
Yup ...gonna. Miss all those completions....yawn!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kronic on August 16, 2019, 02:36:20 AM
I agree. I'm hoping it's nothing and hell be back next week.

I just hope it?s not a lengthy injury. The last thing we want this year is Nichols coming back at crunch time trying to work off the rust.

Oooops. My bad. That would be the SECOND last thing I?d want. The LAST thing I?d want is Streveler starting in October.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 16, 2019, 02:45:10 AM
He came off the field right in front of us and it really did not look good. He came off pointing at the medical staff immediately and couldn?t move his arm. If I had to guess, and it?s a guess and I?m no doctor I?d say a dislocated shoulder on his throwing arm which is not good.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kronic on August 16, 2019, 02:47:02 AM
He came off the field right in front of us and it really did not look good. He came off pointing at the medical staff immediately and couldn?t move his arm. If I had to guess, and it?s a guess and I?m no doctor I?d say a dislocated shoulder on his throwing arm which is not good.

Dislocated shoulder is exactly what I thought. BUT, he looked better walking into the tunnel, so I?m trying to be optimistic.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2019, 02:48:29 AM
I dont think it's that serious. He wasnt supporting his arm and I saw him clenching his fist.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: dd on August 16, 2019, 02:57:57 AM
I m hoping he just jammed his shoulder and will be fine in a Week or so. I don?t think it was dislocated as he would have been in a lot more pain and he would have had to support it as it feels like your arms been ripped out of your body


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BlueInCgy on August 16, 2019, 03:05:03 AM
Watching him on tv heading to the locker room he was moving his fingers quite a bit and didn?t appear to be wincing.  Never even played a doctor on tv but if it was dislocated I don?t think he would have been able to do that.  Hoping it was just a jammed shoulder or even a funny bone issue, as he landed right on his elbow.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2019, 03:06:09 AM
I agree with this. Dislocation would be alot of discomfort until put back into place. I think jammed aswell.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 16, 2019, 03:06:20 AM
I m hoping he just jammed his shoulder and will be fine in a Week or so. I don?t think it was dislocated as he would have been in a lot more pain and he would have had to support it as it feels like your arms been ripped out of your body

That depends on the degree of separation. If it dislocated and popped right back in he can still move it. I?ve seen players get dislocated shoulders and move around after like nothing happened.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue newt on August 16, 2019, 03:17:07 AM
That depends on the degree of separation. If it dislocated and popped right back in he can still move it. I?ve seen players get dislocated shoulders and move around after like nothing happened.

I keep thinking how long Mitchell has been out with a shoulder injury on a non-contact play.  Would absolutely suck if we lost Nichols for any similar length of time.  (Yes, I know they are probably different injuries, but it was something that when I saw it, I thought he might only lose a game or two, and I was definitely wrong).

I know people are high on Streveler, but I'm not confident he's ready yet.  If he does have to play next week, I hope he proves me wrong and blows us all away.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 16, 2019, 04:08:21 AM
Maybe a dislocated shoulder.  He didn't fall,on the cormer or edge of the shoulder which is typical,for a separation. Secondly, when he was walking off to the tunnel,he wasn't supporting it, which again is characteristic of  a separation.

It was hard to tell what part hit the ground, but it looked like he riled forward on it, if it was the shoulder.  Someone also mentioned may pen the forearm or wrist as he seemed to have that oart tucked under him.???


I had a QB who dislocated his shoulder.  Obviously painful initially, but fairly easy to be put back in place.  Our QB played without much time off.

The only problem is, it is easily dislocated again.  We strapped it, and if I remember correctly he was fine.  But....couldn't really tell.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2019, 04:10:42 AM
I just saw an injury update that speculated arm not shoulder. Questionable for Aug 23 but not ruled out.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Bombers9256 on August 16, 2019, 04:27:15 AM
That?s decent news. Where can we find this update?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Jesse on August 16, 2019, 04:27:33 AM
I just saw an injury update that speculated arm not shoulder. Questionable for Aug 23 but not ruled out.

I doubt the team has shared anything.

We have zero information from which to speculate.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2019, 04:29:58 AM
Wait and see. I hope I'm right.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Bombers9256 on August 16, 2019, 04:34:06 AM
I hope you?re right too but could you tell us where you saw this update?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 16, 2019, 05:19:18 AM
Was not a dislocation...positive on that as having done it myself he would have been in extreme pain and wouldn't have had his arm in position he did walking off field.

Same with walking to dressing room..he would have had support for it..not walking normal flexing his hand..injury of some sort for sure but I bet at most he misses one game..if that


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 16, 2019, 05:51:25 AM
I just saw an injury update that speculated arm not shoulder. Questionable for Aug 23 but not ruled out.

Not sure on the veracity, but if that's true, the "not ruled out" code from MOS always means the dude is out.

Same with walking to dressing room..he would have had support for it..not walking normal flexing his hand..injury of some sort for sure but I bet at most he misses one game..if that

I hope you're right booch!  When me, the kid and dad's bud were walking home from the game, that's the first we saw/heard (on a phone) about Nichols being out.  From where we sat you couldn't really see the Bomber bench much.  We didn't notice Nichols walking off.  But now I understand why Strev stayed in to take the knee...

When I found out I got slightly ill.  We've been so good because we have our #1 QB, and a very good one at that (as evidenced tonight).  What I've said is that if Nichols goes down for many games, we'll win half as many as we would with Nichols.  Strev is one of the best #2's you could hope for, but he's still a #2 (as evidenced by that dumb throw for an INT when he should have just gone down).  Strev's reads and passes just aren't up to Nichols spec.  However, he can still win with his drive, creativity, rushing, and sheer force of will.

There is one positive, though: all the "bench Nichols" guys will have to be quiet for evermore if Strev plays for 5-6 games and loses all of them... Don't think that's going to happen... but it could.  If Strev plays 5-6 and wins them all, then we have ourselves a different (and pleasant) problem!

Praying for Nichols' health!!

P.S. That injury is all on the OL, who looked nearly as porous as BC's tonight.  Not bad for 2 rookie NATs (1 with no start!) and only 2 IMP OL, but not good enough for "Bomber football" and our Nichols who needs a good OL.  I'm still eyeing that 3 IMP OL idea of mine if we can't get Speller or (better yet) Neuf back in pronto!!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 16, 2019, 10:55:36 AM
Watching the play on TSN now... and there's one replay where you can see his shoulder doing really weird things when he's about down, and after he's down.  It goes up (behind his back) with the weight of the fall, then snaps down then snaps back up again.  It does all this in under a second.  Something unnatural is going on in there.

He is bracing for the fall with both arms out then supporting the full weight of him (175?) plus Lemon (225?), all on his 2 arms.  It almost would have been better if Lemon had gotten Nichols' arms down to his side and his head and chest take the fall.  No such luck.

If there's any silver lining, it's that Nichols doesn't seem to be in that much pain.  So no bones broken.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 16, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
Hope he's not out long term and is playing by the LDC & Banjo Bowl.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Mick on August 16, 2019, 11:34:46 AM
I see 3downnation is reporting that an MRI is scheduled. If that's true probably not a good sign.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Jbombers on August 16, 2019, 12:02:46 PM
At minimum it?s a 6 game. Anything less than that is wishful thinking honestly. Heal up quick Matt!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 16, 2019, 12:08:36 PM
I hope he's alright. I don't think it looked very good but hoping for the best.

Considering the quality of our upcoming schedule, this isn't where I would've wanted to see Streveler playing but we are a team with a strong running game, defense, and special teams. That all helps make a young QB's job easier. He's got the tools and coming into the season there's no way I'd have traded him for any of Fajardo, Adams, Arbuckle or Evans. They've all found some success and I see no reason Streveler can't too.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 16, 2019, 12:10:37 PM
I didn't know that so many medical doctors contribute to the forum. Likely disproportionate to all other professions and occupations.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: wpg#1 on August 16, 2019, 12:17:23 PM
I didn't know that so many medical doctors contribute to the forum. Likely disproportionate to all other professions and occupations.

Well, you're forgetting the high number of football coaches, and actual QB's.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 16, 2019, 12:24:32 PM
You never know with injuries, seemingly minor stuff can be severe and vice versa but I think he'll be okay. His reaction and the way he walked off the field leaves me optimistic. I'm not worried, yet.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 16, 2019, 12:32:12 PM
I see 3downnation is reporting that an MRI is scheduled. If that's true probably not a good sign.

They have to have the MRI to know the extent of damage if any.  Could be precautionary. Could find something bad.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 16, 2019, 12:35:30 PM
Nichols possibly being lost is not good for the very reason he is chided - game management. The SP and defence created ball position. Nichols threw a couple of nice balls and Harris did what Harris does. All Streveler needs to do is control himself. As I stated as this season progressed, Streveler looks like he has regressed. He looks way too hyped up out there. I hope Sean McGuire is ready because I can see the Bombers putting him in there if things go south. The short pre-season showed a guy who can use the pocket and who is not just an athletic QB as Lapolice had that in Bennett and Streveler and Bennett was released because Lapo wanted a QB who it appears tends to think throw first. We need a steady hand at the wheel. This should be interesting though since both QBs faced each other in college and are fierce competitors.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Dodge and Burn on August 16, 2019, 12:37:27 PM
I cant speculate what the injury is( I will though), but its not a good sign when the player immediately walks off and heads to the room.

His shoulder really jammed when he hit the turf.  The position of his arm when it hit, Im wondering if it could be his rotator cuff?



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ducky on August 16, 2019, 12:53:10 PM
Obviously, we dont want Nichols injured.  And while I thought Streveler should get more reps I am not convinced he is a full time Qb.  Can he throw the ball well enough to be a starter? . 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 16, 2019, 12:53:59 PM
I cant speculate what the injury is( I will though), but its not a good sign when the player immediately walks off and heads to the room.

His shoulder really jammed when he hit the turf.  The position of his arm when it hit, Im wondering if it could be his rotator cuff?



That was right in front where we were sitting. He never really looked in terrible pain, but discomfort for sure.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bigbuff33 on August 16, 2019, 01:23:24 PM
He was really feeling it, on target last night...
Those two bombs to Demski and Matthews...and if you watch the replay...
The strike to Lawler at the one yard line...he just fired it...

That was the Matt Nichols that can lead us...

Obviously hoping its not serious...would hope he's ready for the Sask back to back..


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
He was really feeling it, on target last night...
Those two bombs to Demski and Matthews...and if you watch the replay...
The strike to Lawler at the one yard line...he just fired it...

That was the Matt Nichols that can lead us...

Obviously hoping its not serious...would hope he's ready for the Sask back to back..
if Streveler starts at the LDC he will be so pumped walking out there his head just might explode with excitement.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 16, 2019, 01:39:49 PM
Yes I hope Strev  is pumped!

I am sure most of us are concerned about Strevs lack of ability to read defences though.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 16, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
Nichols is definitely key to us being a winning team....he has thrown the most TDs of any QB and has the highest QB efficiency rating of them all as well.   That pick wasn't all on him as Woli bobbled the pass albeit it was slightly off target but still catchable.    We have 3 big games coming up and I hope he's not out for all of them.....Streveler is a good running QB but I'm not sure if he's progressed much this season.   The team will rally behind him though and we won another game passing for under 200 yards.   This team finds different ways to beat opponents every game.   The Esk D is a tough one and Harris can light it up so Streveler better be eating his Wheaties if Nichols is out!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 16, 2019, 01:45:45 PM
If I was a betting man, I?d say noo way Nichols plays next week at the minimum.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Norm W on August 16, 2019, 01:48:42 PM
I just finished binge watching 12 hours of Doogie Howser, I believe that makes my intra-web diagnostic credentials current. I believe the injury has more to do with Lemon's arm being between Nichols forearm and bicep as they make there way to the ground, Lemon's arm acts like a fulcrum essentially, stressing something in Nichols arm. Lemon had him wrapped up and Nichols couldn't free his arm(s) to protect or cushion the contact with the ground.

I will be shocked, no dumbfounded if the Bombers say anything about the extent of the injury until they have to declare the roster. The only thing I expect to hear is "its a day to day thing", followed by "Nichols is a pro he doesn't really need the reps" and finally on Thursday we will hear it's going to be a game time decision, we'll talk to Al and Matt and follow our process."  

If I'm coaching Edmonton I'm going into my week trying to game plan against AH33 and not worrying too much about who is going to be behind centre, the Bomber passing attack hasn't been scaring to many defenses. My plan will be pressure, regardless who is playing and stop AH33.      


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 16, 2019, 01:54:22 PM
Too bad for Nichols and the club. Looked like it might be dislocated to me. I'm hoping the MRI doesn't find any ligament or rotator cuff damage. That can be really bad on a QB's throwing arm. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Nichols goes on the 6 game or not.

As for Streveler... Glad he's getting a shot. Wish it was under better circumstances. Wish it was in the easy part of our schedule but you don't get to pick and choose as a backup. I doubt he'll be as good as some folks expect and I doubt he'll be as bad as other folks expect. I expect the team will carry Steveler.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 01:55:29 PM
Yes I hope Strev  is pumped!

I am sure most of us are concerned about Strevs lack of ability to read defences though.

Absolutely- pocket presence is limited and seems to want to take off and run right away...he is going to get creamed multiple times and 9/10 he bounces back up - but at some point he will take a shot that hurts him and we will be onto McGuire.  His accuracy is concerning too...hoping Nichols injury isn't season ending but I have a suspicion it could be - if he broke a bone or tore something in his throwing arm the road back is long


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bigbuff33 on August 16, 2019, 02:09:12 PM
First thought was separated shoulder...
But watching him go off the field...there's no way they would have allowed him to walk off on his own steam...
Moving his hand was a really good sign
We shall see.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 16, 2019, 02:11:27 PM
If Streveler has to start next week, it's a good thing it's against Edmonton. Two of his starts last year were against Edmonton and he played well. There's some familiarity with their defence. As I indicated in another topic, I have more faith in him starting than coming off the bench. LaPo can install a game plan for him, instead of a limited package.

We've seen Arbuckle, Fajardo and others have success as a backup QB. Could be our turn.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: trapper on August 16, 2019, 02:17:43 PM
Hoping for a speedy recovery. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Old Rusty on August 16, 2019, 02:22:02 PM
Really too bad, I was hoping Nichols could survive the season.   What I hope: he'll be back soon, didn't look too bad.  More likely:  6 game IR.   :-\ :'(


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 02:24:45 PM
cant imagine he isn't going to miss some games so that puts Reilly and Harris as the only starters not hurt in the CFL...bad year for QB's and honestly if Reilly wasn't incredibly durable he really should have missed some games with the beatings he is taking game after game...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 16, 2019, 02:29:12 PM
cant imagine he isn't going to miss some games so that puts Reilly and Harris as the only starters not hurt in the CFL...bad year for QB's and honestly if Reilly wasn't incredibly durable he really should have missed some games with the beatings he is taking game after game...
Sacked 7 times last nite....he didn't have a good nite because our D was after him most of the nite!  He was stripped a few times and was lucky to recover the ball on two occasions.   He is one tough hombre' that's for certain!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 16, 2019, 02:43:07 PM
If Streveler has to start next week, it's a good thing it's against Edmonton. Two of his starts last year were against Edmonton and he played well. There's some familiarity with their defence. As I indicated in another topic, I have more faith in him starting than coming off the bench. LaPo can install a game plan for him, instead of a limited package.

We've seen Arbuckle, Fajardo and others have success as a backup QB. Could be our turn.

If Nichols goes on the 6 game for the full duration I think we can kiss finishing in 1st place goodbye, Streveler may eek out a victory here and there against weaker opponents but his style of rodeo football won't take them far.  The difference between him, Arbuckle and Fajardo is those other two teams take QB development seriously, Lapo largely ignored Streveler's future and molded him into a clone of LeFevour to exploit his running ability.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: mondo3 on August 16, 2019, 02:45:24 PM
Should we try to pickup another QB for insurance?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kkc60 on August 16, 2019, 02:49:44 PM
Should we try to pickup another QB for insurance?
If Nichols misses any time yes.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 16, 2019, 02:49:50 PM
Should we try to pickup another QB for insurance?

May have to just because  but the Bombers need to move Streveler to the next level and McGuire needs to start somewhere as he looks the most promising frankly.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 02:49:55 PM
Should we try to pickup another QB for insurance?

For sure it will happen if Nichols is out for any length of time.  I would try to get Bennett back


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 02:51:47 PM
If Nichols goes on the 6 game for the full duration I think we can kiss finishing in 1st place goodbye, Streveler may eek out a victory here and there against weaker opponents but his style of rodeo football won't take them far.  The difference between him, Arbuckle and Fajardo is those other two teams take QB development seriously, Lapo largely ignored Streveler's future and molded him into a clone of LeFevour to exploit his running ability.

Sask doesn't take QB development seriously...they went fishing for Farjado and have been lucky


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 16, 2019, 02:53:22 PM
If Nichols is out for 6 games, I think the Bombers need to add a QB with some game experience to help Streveler.......Brandon Bridge would suit the bill.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 16, 2019, 02:53:38 PM
Should we try to pickup another QB for insurance?
With 7 of 9 teams on their 2nd string QB already, who is even available?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 16, 2019, 02:58:50 PM
I think we can kiss finishing in 1st place goodbye

The final bye week works in our favor so just making the playoffs is huge if Nichols can be back by then.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 16, 2019, 03:00:41 PM
Sask doesn't take QB development seriously...they went fishing for Farjado and have been lucky

Riders have Steve Walsh as their QB coach, Bombers have Buck Pierce.  Case closed.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 16, 2019, 03:07:42 PM
With 7 of 9 teams on their 2nd string QB already, who is even available?

Good question. If Nichols is out for any length of time, they'll need to pluck a guy from somewhere. Can't go with only 2 for a longer period of time.

Right now I am feeling similarly to how I felt the day after the 2007 East Final. Yay that we won, but knowing that the future is precarious.

For a long while, some people here have been soiling themselves over the concept that we could lose Streveler to FA after this season. Well, let's hope that that fear is legitimate. With Calgary, Saskatchewan and Hamilton having success with their #2s, Streveler likely isn't even considered the top backup in the league (though Fajardo is now not a backup).

I just hope that if he is our guy going forward that they actually scheme a real package for him. They have turned him into a bit of a video game QB. I am concerned that there has been little effort made to actually develop him as a QB, but rather to just use his natural skills in a limited set. We can win with Streveler and our defense, and our ST, and Andrew Harris, and the receiving corps. Ball control. diversify the running attack.

If we run the Dom Davis package that we used in 2017, we might as well fold the tent and start getting excited for 2020.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: RebusRankin on August 16, 2019, 03:12:43 PM
What exactly has Steve Walsh done to show that he's a QB guru?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 03:18:04 PM
Riders have Steve Walsh as their QB coach, Bombers have Buck Pierce.  Case closed.

they signed Farjado in Feb as a free agent when they washed out on the rest of the available QB's knowing they had a glass QB in Collaros - that isn't development by any means at all...they floundered with Brandon Bridge for most of last year and then cut him loose - that isn't development...in no way shape or form can you say the Sask is a QB factory or develops QB's for themselves or the rest of the league.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 16, 2019, 03:41:24 PM
Nichols is a tough cookie... he should be fine.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 16, 2019, 03:42:59 PM
they signed Farjado in Feb as a free agent when they washed out on the rest of the available QB's knowing they had a glass QB in Collaros - that isn't development by any means at all...they floundered with Brandon Bridge for most of last year and then cut him loose - that isn't development...in no way shape or form can you say the Sask is a QB factory or develops QB's for themselves or the rest of the league.

I never said anything about Sask becoming a "QB factory".  They've taken Fajardo who was basically nothing more than a 3rd down run QB prior to this season and expanded his tools to become a respectable passer with stats. comparable to Nichols, I don't think anyone saw that coming.  If anything Streveler's passing skills have regressed in his time with the club, go back and watch him rip up the Als last season and tell me this is not the case.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 03:50:13 PM
I never said anything about Sask becoming a "QB factory".  They've taken Fajardo who was basically nothing more than a 3rd down run QB prior to this season and expanded his tools to become a respectable passer with stats. comparable to Nichols, I don't think anyone saw that coming.  If anything Streveler's passing skills have regressed in his time with the club, go back and watch him rip up the Als last season and tell me this is not the case.

Strevler hasn't started a game recently so hard to say that he has regressed after making 5 throws..he is still relatively unknown...did you see Brandon Bridge play last season?  Where was the brilliant development with him?  How did Nichols get to be a top QB in the CFL?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 16, 2019, 03:50:18 PM
I never said anything about Sask becoming a "QB factory".  They've taken Fajardo who was basically nothing more than a 3rd down run QB prior to this season and expanded his tools to become a respectable passer with stats. comparable to Nichols, I don't think anyone saw that coming.  If anything Streveler's passing skills have regressed in his time with the club, go back and watch him rip up the Als last season and tell me this is not the case.

Why would you assume Streveler's passing skills have regressed because of limited success throwing the ball out of a gimmicky package designed for misdirection running?

The only time we've seen Streveler pass in an actual offense with a starter's preparation since he has had some time to develop, he went 9/15 for 190 yards and a TD.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 16, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
Brandon Bridge??!!!
He may be a Bomber yet! Depending on Nichols injury

Strev ??? Jury is still out.  He was great when he started last yr after two weeks of CFL exposure.  Now we have a Defense, so all we have to do is score a couple TDs a few field goals and we win.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 16, 2019, 05:01:19 PM
I never said anything about Sask becoming a "QB factory".  They've taken Fajardo who was basically nothing more than a 3rd down run QB prior to this season and expanded his tools to become a respectable passer with stats. comparable to Nichols, I don't think anyone saw that coming.  If anything Streveler's passing skills have regressed in his time with the club, go back and watch him rip up the Als last season and tell me this is not the case.

What they did was give Fajardo the opportunity to get in there and the result was that he excelled. He was highly touted as an NFL prospect and when he made his way up north he floundered under really bad systems in TO and BC. Sask was desperate and had no choice and now it turns out he was rightfully touted as being a great player.

And hey, great for them, but this isn't development. It's not like they took Justin Goltz and molded him into a super star.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 05:55:53 PM
Brandon Bridge??!!!
He may be a Bomber yet! Depending on Nichols injury

Strev ??? Jury is still out.  He was great when he started last yr after two weeks of CFL exposure.  Now we have a Defense, so all we have to do is score a couple TDs a few field goals and we win.
Bridge? You must be joking!
How about that Maguire kid? He still with the club. Looked good in the preseason.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 16, 2019, 05:57:13 PM
Why would you assume Streveler's passing skills have regressed because of limited success throwing the ball out of a gimmicky package designed for misdirection running?

The only time we've seen Streveler pass in an actual offense with a starter's preparation since he has had some time to develop, he went 9/15 for 190 yards and a TD.

Streveler had almost an entire half in the first RB game after Nichols went down, he went 6/8 for 42 with 1 Int. and 1 TD which was a gift from Lankford, other than that he couldn't move the ball within Medlocks's range.   As I have said, I don't blame Strev. it is the way the Bombers have made use of him in such a focused way that has held him back from developing well-rounded QB skills.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 16, 2019, 06:11:02 PM
Streveler had almost an entire half in the first RB game after Nichols went down, he went 6/8 for 42 with 1 Int. and 1 TD which was a gift from Lankford, other than that he couldn't move the ball within Medlocks's range.   As I have said, I don't blame Strev. it is the way the Bombers have made use of him in such a focused way that has held him back from developing well-rounded QB skills.

That's fair, he didn't do a lot that game - honestly we were already in hyper-conservative mode by the time he went in, but you're right, he didn't move the ball a lot. I think there's a difference when he gets the reps all week to practice as a starter though. I dunno, maybe it's wishful thinking but he doesn't have a lot of experience and I think it makes a difference going in as a starter vs. as a backup when you don't have that experience.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2019, 06:22:06 PM
How has Kevin Glenn's name not come up?  The Bombers would be the most attractive "out of retirement" position for the likes of Glenn, Ray, Lulay...  3rd string on a team with a stud RB and a good Rec corps and a great Oline...



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 16, 2019, 06:27:03 PM
Glenn?? NO thanks...

Maybe Ricky Ray can be convinced to come out of retirement to get a shot at another Grey Cup..


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: RebusRankin on August 16, 2019, 06:34:47 PM
Fajardo was highly touted as an NFL prospect? I call ******** on that statement. He went undrafted, was signed by Oakland in 2015, cut and came to the CFL.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 16, 2019, 06:39:08 PM
If he is hurt we need a 3rd stringer.  I have some faith in Strev and Mcquire.

Will be an interesting game next week.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: biguke on August 16, 2019, 06:43:08 PM
Kevin Glenn?? Sure what do we have to lose.  Good Oline the best RB the #1 D & ST. All Glenn has to do is operate @60% & we r good. Remember Tom Burgess 1990? Did enough to win


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 16, 2019, 06:57:22 PM
If Nichols goes on the 6 game for the full duration I think we can kiss finishing in 1st place goodbye, Streveler may eek out a victory here and there against weaker opponents but his style of rodeo football won't take them far.  The difference between him, Arbuckle and Fajardo is those other two teams take QB development seriously, Lapo largely ignored Streveler's future and molded him into a clone of LeFevour to exploit his running ability.

Streveler hasn't had the entire playbook to work with when he has gone in. He is mostly there to pick up 1 or 2 yards.  You can't say what he can or can't do.  He can get the ball down the field and he is very mobile.  He adds another dimension in the pocket compared to Nichols who can't escape the rush. Streveler will get it done I am not worried one bit.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: fansince79 on August 16, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
If Nichols is gone for the season this team is not winning a playoff game with Streveler never mind a Grey Cup.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BBRT on August 16, 2019, 07:24:23 PM
If Nichols is gone for the season this team is not winning a playoff game with Streveler never mind a Grey Cup.

You never know what may happen. I think we all need to wait until we hear what the medical announcement is and then see where things lie.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BigBlueCrew on August 16, 2019, 07:26:46 PM
Here is my opinion on how I feel about Streveler playing for the next few weeks minimum if that's what it comes down to:

I watched the highlights of the 4 games he started last year and the banjo bowl that he played the whole 2nd half. For the most part in these games he looked the part and showed a lot of flashes. These are the games that had everyone dying to see more of him. He was making some real nice throws, including down the field and looked pretty poised.

When we look at his body of work this year it's completely different. The only time he gets in is short yardage and then change of pace wild cat type stuff. I feel like in situations where Nichols gets hurt mid game they focus strictly on RPO stuff vs more traditional play calling in the games he has actually started.

We're winning games by passing for under 200 yards. Question is, can we limit the turnovers passing the ball the way Nichols has. I guess we'll see. If we run the O comparable to the games he started last year I feel like we should be okay.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 16, 2019, 07:29:15 PM
Streveler has a strong arm, can run, durable and knows the team.  He doesn't have the full play book and that has hurt his ability to show what he can do.  He has to be able to better protect the ball though.  Interceptions will cost a team a lot of losses if he doesn't keep those under control.  Winning is about preparing and if you prepare well enough, anyone can win.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 07:38:04 PM
Streveler has a strong arm, can run, durable and knows the team.  He doesn't have the full play book and that has hurt his ability to show what he can do.  He has to be able to better protect the ball though.  Interceptions will cost a team a lot of losses if he doesn't keep those under control.  Winning is about preparing and if you prepare well enough, anyone can win.
We can win a lot of games with Streveler if does not turnover the ball. I think we will be fine if Streveler is the man for a few weeks.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 07:43:32 PM
We can win a lot of games with Streveler if does not turnover the ball. I think we will be fine if Streveler is the man for a few weeks.

what about the rest of the season?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 07:56:28 PM
what about the rest of the season?
I am a believer in both our QBs.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bluebeard on August 16, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Fajardo was highly touted as an NFL prospect? I call ******** on that statement. He went undrafted, was signed by Oakland in 2015, cut and came to the CFL.
If I remember reading correctly, Fajardo was advised by the coaching staff at Navada Reno that his skill set was for the CFL.  That was one of the reasons that he came north.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: rubanski on August 16, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
Glenn isn't playing football for Pete's sake. If he was he'd have already signed with the Als or Rider when they were looking.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
Glenn isn't playing football for Pete's sake. If he was he'd have already signed with the Als or Rider when they were looking.
Streveler would be much better than Glenn these days anyways. Holy Toledo.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 16, 2019, 08:23:21 PM
Ride Streveler and Brandon Bridge to the promised land!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Jesse on August 16, 2019, 08:25:34 PM
How has Kevin Glenn's name not come up?  The Bombers would be the most attractive "out of retirement" position for the likes of Glenn, Ray, Lulay...  3rd string on a team with a stud RB and a good Rec corps and a great Oline...



Because you're the only one who ever brings him up.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2019, 08:27:09 PM
Glenn isn't playing football for Pete's sake. If he was he'd have already signed with the Als or Rider when they were looking.

No way he comes in to play in either of those instances.  He would be the #1, have to face opponents with more talent, and behind questionable olines.  

Here he would be #3, and probably see as much time as he did in Edmonton.  100% here for comfort level... might get a splinter from the bench or the clipboard.  

Not that I'm saying I want that, just wondering why his wasn't the first name mentioned here...

Because you're the only one who ever brings him up.

Lol... no, that's not true.  This is the first time I've started a conversation by mentioning his name...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 08:29:56 PM
Ride Streveler and Brandon Bridge to the promised land!
Bridge will not be here. They like Maguire. I get you would love to see Bridge here and us lose but not gonna happen.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2019, 08:37:42 PM
Neufeld for Bennett?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kkc60 on August 16, 2019, 08:44:38 PM
Neufeld for Bennett?
Lol yes trade a starting calibre Canadian OL for a guy you cut months ago to hopefully be your third stringer for a few weeks


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 16, 2019, 08:45:47 PM
Neufeld for Bennett?
please tell me you are joking, please.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 16, 2019, 09:01:25 PM
We have McGuire who is very good quarterback. Hope Nichols is back soon. Hes playing very good. I think the problem is they don't open up the offense for him early enough in the game and tends to be afraid to make mistakes. He shouldn't worry about mistakes . His accuracy is good. Reilly on the other hand just kept throwing sideline passes and overthrew when he went deep. they sold the farm to get him. Nichols looked better than Reilly. 1,000,000, a year for Reilly and Chungh.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 16, 2019, 09:38:22 PM
I'm hearing ***early indications*** are Nicols is out for the season, but the team is seeking a second opinion  :-\ Injury is not too severe but the recovery time for a throwing shoulder injury like this is long. Not a career ender or anything

I wanted to see Strev handed the ball, but not like this. Hope he balls out. He looks a lot more comfortable when he has started games and had the whole week to practice with the team. Off the bench this year he's been running scared.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 16, 2019, 09:40:47 PM
I see them staying with Streveller and the McGuire guy.

Matt Nichols is the best QB we have, full stop. Yet the team did not need to put up 300+ yards to win. The other D's will test Streveller and see wif he can throw, they will shut down the run. IF (and this is the unknown with Streveler), if he can make some throws, that will allow the run game to still be effective, and then all Streveller has to do is (ironically enough) manage the game, and not turn it over...the very things Matt Nichols is very good at.

So all you who criticized Nichols (and never looked at the stats, he has gone long more than 75% of the other QBs in the league, has a better win/loss record than Streveller, is more accurate downfield than many other QBs this year, has the second-highest winning percentage of all WPG Blue Bombers in history) the best we can hope for now is that Streveller can do exactly that which you criticized Nichols for.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 16, 2019, 09:41:33 PM
I'm hearing Nicols is out for the season, but the team is seeking a second opinion  :-\ Injury is not too severe but the recovery time for a throwing shoulder injury like this is long. Not a career ender or anything

I wanted to see Strev handed the ball, but not like this. Hope he balls out. He looks a lot more comfortable when he has started games and had the whole week to practice with the team. Off the bench this year he's been running scared.

If the MRI is scheduled for Monday, then certainly you are trolling...and maybe should be banned?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 16, 2019, 09:46:36 PM
He's seen doctors already, extent of the injury is 95% known without the MRI. Second opinion is on recovery time I would assume. Don't shoot the messanger, just repeating what I've heard elsewhere.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Jesse on August 16, 2019, 09:48:54 PM
He's seen doctors already, extent of the injury is 95% known without the MRI. Second opinion is on recovery time I would assume. Don't shoot the messanger, just repeating what I've heard elsewhere.

I'm just going to say "lol" and leave it at that.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: swansong on August 16, 2019, 09:56:27 PM
He's seen doctors already, extent of the injury is 95% known without the MRI. Second opinion is on recovery time I would assume. Don't shoot the messanger, just repeating what I've heard elsewhere.

Might as well give you the benefit of the doubt. After all you were spot on with your knowledge and predictions about the Matthews' situation...how bad it was, how badly it would reflect on the team and how he might not be able to remain in Canada...oh, no....wait....


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 16, 2019, 09:59:09 PM
I am sure the team knows something at this point in the day so it could leak out in various ways however until there is something official it is all just speculation and should be treated as such.  Injuries to a QB's throwing arm and shoulder typically are not good but beyond that we just don't know anything.

Be cautious of what you hear and subsequently post here


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on August 16, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
Honestly, We have been a very run heavy team with mostly high percentage "easier" passes, I think Strev. will do fine. I wouldn't expect him to have a Int to Td ratio as good a s Nichols but I do expect he will keep the odd drive going with his legs that Nichols couldn't. Nichols or Strev. leading we are going into a very tough few weeks on the schedule. Coming out 9-4 at the end of the next few games is very attainable, will that keep us in first...maybe, Edm, Cal, Sask and us are sort of playing each other over the next few weeks so 2 wins could be enough, the unknown for D coordinators could also be of benifit to us.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 16, 2019, 10:48:01 PM
I would hope that if Nichols is out for an extended period of time that Walters would be trying to bring someone in. The only ones that I could see would be Bridge or Glenn.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 16, 2019, 11:32:37 PM
please tell me you are joking, please.

If Neufeld isn't going to hit the field this year... its a costly non-asset for an asset... just saying, we've had a pretty solid Oline without Neuf, if we can get Bennet back (who knows our system inside and out) and save some cash...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bunker on August 16, 2019, 11:52:31 PM
If Neufeld isn't going to hit the field this year... its a costly non-asset for an asset... just saying, we've had a pretty solid Oline without Neuf, if we can get Bennet back (who knows our system inside and out) and save some cash...
You're trading a starting O-lineman (and by some reports our best Nat) when healthy for a QB who would be third on our depth chart. And with Neufeld on the 6 game (and Nichols possibly heading there) cash will be the least of our problems.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kkc60 on August 16, 2019, 11:54:10 PM
If Neufeld isn't going to hit the field this year... its a costly non-asset for an asset... just saying, we've had a pretty solid Oline without Neuf, if we can get Bennet back (who knows our system inside and out) and save some cash...
So then if we get a couple OL injuries we are screwed.

Trading a starting Canadian OL for a player you cut is piss poor asset management. Neufeld is worth at least a 3rd round pick


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 17, 2019, 12:01:00 AM
I'm sure who you could bring in this late in the season that could really help much... how many weeks would it take for someone new to come in and learn the playbook, let alone build chemistry with the receivers to the point of being truly effective?

if there is a good thing to think about, it would be that we are 7-2 with Nichols as QB1, over those 9 games he has averaged only 215 passing yards a game... that's an amount that Streveler should have little problem achieving as well as it's a modest number of yards... couple that with Streveler's running ability, he's gonna compliment Harris in the running game, so, whatever yards short he may be in the passing he will more than likely make up with his feet...

the other thing, we are still a good team with a lot of play makers on O... our special teams and D have really chipped in and helped win and or put games away for us this year... don't discount what they may be able to accomplish while stepping up to the challenge...

while not ideal, it could be a lot worse...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 17, 2019, 12:02:47 AM
I would hope that if Nichols is out for an extended period of time that Walters would be trying to bring someone in. The only ones that I could see would be Bridge or Glenn.

There is going to be an abundance of QB's very quickly in Toronto in MBT/Collaros/Franklin and throw in 2 of the backups they have right now. That is 5 QB's eating a big combined amounat of sms money. I would think they will have to get rid of someone once all healthy. If Nichols is done for the season, we might need to look that way.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 17, 2019, 12:15:31 AM
You're trading a starting O-lineman (and by some reports our best Nat) when healthy for a QB who would be third on our depth chart. And with Neufeld on the 6 game (and Nichols possibly heading there) cash will be the least of our problems.
Agree. Also Saskatchewan plays us 3 times and with Nichols out and their defence I'm sure that they smell blood.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bunker on August 17, 2019, 12:39:56 AM
I'm sure who you could bring in this late in the season that could really help much... how many weeks would it take for someone new to come in and learn the playbook, let alone build chemistry with the receivers to the point of being truly effective?

if there is a good thing to think about, it would be that we are 7-2 with Nichols as QB1, over those 9 games he has averaged only 215 passing yards a game... that's an amount that Streveler should have little problem achieving as well as it's a modest number of yards... couple that with Streveler's running ability, he's gonna compliment Harris in the running game, so, whatever yards short he may be in the passing he will more than likely make up with his feet...

the other thing, we are still a good team with a lot of play makers on O... our special teams and D have really chipped in and helped win and or put games away for us this year... don't discount what they may be able to accomplish while stepping up to the challenge...

while not ideal, it could be a lot worse...
One of Nichol's strengths was ball protection. I'm not convinced Streveler can duplicate that. I don't think his ability to read defences or decision making is at Nichol's level either. How accurate he is in remains to be seen, but I don't think he measures up to Nichol's there either.  I think he's a big step down from Nichols at the position, and his running ability and Lapo's scheming will not make up that difference. His compete level is an intangible that may stand in his favour though.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 17, 2019, 01:05:49 AM
I'd encourage everyone to go watch the games Streveler started last year (started, not came in in relief, as I think there's a big difference with someone inexperienced)

I don't think you'll see all these concerns with him abandoning the pass or being bad at reading a defense or making decisions that you think you will.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he's elite in those areas but he consistently shows QB play way above his experience level in those games and all those big mistakes... they don't exist.

Streveler threw two picks in those four starts. One was his first CFL pass, one was an inconsequential attempt to make something happen on a two point convert attempt. Essentially, he made one turnover in four games and it was on his first career pass. He only took five sacks, and didn't fumble.

His head is almost always up, looking downfield, when scrambling, he's very quick and decisive, avoided mistakes and was able to find 1v1 man coverage pretty often, a sign that he actually is good at reading a defense pre-snap. A lot of the stuff that gets thrown out there isn't really supported by the tape, especially when he's had time to prepare as the starter.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 17, 2019, 01:13:31 AM
I'm sure who you could bring in this late in the season that could really help much... how many weeks would it take for someone new to come in and learn the playbook, let alone build chemistry with the receivers to the point of being truly effective?

if there is a good thing to think about, it would be that we are 7-2 with Nichols as QB1, over those 9 games he has averaged only 215 passing yards a game... that's an amount that Streveler should have little problem achieving as well as it's a modest number of yards... couple that with Streveler's running ability, he's gonna compliment Harris in the running game, so, whatever yards short he may be in the passing he will more than likely make up with his feet...

the other thing, we are still a good team with a lot of play makers on O... our special teams and D have really chipped in and helped win and or put games away for us this year... don't discount what they may be able to accomplish while stepping up to the challenge...

while not ideal, it could be a lot worse...
i agree wholeheartedly and was looking at Nichols yardage....what's good about his statistics are his TD-Interception ratio which is 15-5 tops in the league plus his QB efficiency rating which is also #1 in the league.   Streveler is a long way from those stats but the team will rally behind him and he is a gamer and that's what I like about him.   As you say not an ideal situation especially if his injury is long term.    We will have to continue to have all three phases chip in for us to maintain our standing in the West as we have been doing.   


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 17, 2019, 01:17:49 AM
I think I would rather try to entice Burris out of retirement before I knock on Glenn's door.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bunker on August 17, 2019, 01:22:49 AM
I'd encourage everyone to go watch the games Streveler started last year (started, not came in in relief, as I think there's a big difference with someone inexperienced)

I don't think you'll see all these concerns with him abandoning the pass or being bad at reading a defense or making decisions that you think you will.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he's elite in those areas but he consistently shows QB play way above his experience level in those games and all those big mistakes... they don't exist.

Streveler threw two picks in those four starts. One was his first CFL pass, one was an inconsequential attempt to make something happen on a two point convert attempt. Essentially, he made one turnover in four games and it was on his first career pass. He only took five sacks, and didn't fumble.

His head is almost always up, looking downfield, when scrambling, he's very quick and decisive, avoided mistakes and was able to find 1v1 man coverage pretty often, a sign that he actually is good at reading a defense pre-snap. A lot of the stuff that gets thrown out there isn't really supported by the tape, especially when he's had time to prepare as the starter.

The league has seen many QBs play above their heads in their first few games then regress as the league figures them out. Streveler actually reminds me a bit of Goltz.  But here's hoping you are right and I am wrong.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 17, 2019, 01:49:57 AM
Streveler has to start thinking pass first run second because I agree with Doug Brown on the postgame show last night, teams are going to just load the box and say beat us with your arm. BTW I do agree that when Franklin comes back and IF Collaros is cleared to play Toronto will have to make a move. Could be a possibility.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Bombers9256 on August 17, 2019, 01:52:52 AM
He's seen doctors already, extent of the injury is 95% known without the MRI. Second opinion is on recovery time I would assume. Don't shoot the messanger, just repeating what I've heard elsewhere.

I don?t know... I say if you can?t back that up you?re statement means absolutely nothing. Even if you wanted to respect someone?s privacy who?s close to the team, at least say that.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: tlf on August 17, 2019, 04:14:37 AM
Bridge will not be here. They like Maguire. I get you would love to see Bridge here and us lose but not gonna happen.

McGuire has a better arm than Streveler ever will have. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Arm_Chair_Quarterback on August 17, 2019, 05:29:37 AM
I would be more concerned with QB Nichols, if injured, may return too early in his recovery. Players do want to get back on the field as soon as possible. Ideally, we need a healthy Nichols and an OL that can keep him better protected.

QB Streveler won the first backup role last two seasons. He's familiar with the first team offense and being thrown to the wolves to begin the first part of last season when QB Nichols went down. And LaPo had play packages that matched this QB's strengths and abilities. This is a great opportunity for Streveler to develop and grow. 

A little adversity could be what Wgp Blue Bombers need right now too and going down the stretch to GC game.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: dd on August 17, 2019, 05:48:47 AM
Losing nichols for any amount of time will suck, but I think the team rallies around Streveler and plays 500 football. If he?s gone for the season, I d be calling up Kevin Glenn as an insurance policy and win the grey cup we should have won back in 2007.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: gordo on August 17, 2019, 07:13:41 AM
If Nichols misses any time yes.

Kevin Glenn. He can vindicate his stolen chance the year he broke his arm. Take us to the cup game and this time play and win. He only just turned 40. Can probably still sling it.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 17, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
Glenn cannot sling anything right now...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 17, 2019, 10:03:44 AM
Brandon Bridge??!!!
He may be a Bomber yet! Depending on Nichols injury

Bridge is only a good choice if you need ratio help.  WPG does not need any ratio help.  In fact, we need the opposite: we often have "too many" NATs on field each play now with so many IMP injuries.

Without that (new) ratio bonus, Bridge isn't good enough to be worth looking at.

If Nichols is gone for the season this team is not winning a playoff game with Streveler never mind a Grey Cup.

If Nichols is gone until 2020, there goes all of our plans and our #1 in W and GC appearance.  We could still get those things.  But instead of careful roster planning year over year, hard-nosed non-gimmick football, and game management, it'll take luck and drive and trick plays and aggressive ball.  It's sad, really, because I really believed in our system this year (still do).  But that system is for Nichols, not Strev.

To win games and playoffs with Strev, we have to pretty much rip up chunks of the playbook and insert some new pages.

I said it earlier when people said "bench Nichols": with Strev we will win about half the number of games we'd win with Nichols.  Good thing for us I thought we'd win about 5 of the next 6 with Nichols.  So we should be able to win 2-3 with Strev.  #1 in the W is still not completely out of the question, but not as easy as before.

I watched the highlights of the 4 games he started last year and the banjo bowl that he played the whole 2nd half. For the most part in these games he looked the part and showed a lot of flashes. These are the games that had everyone dying to see more of him. He was making some real nice throws, including down the field and looked pretty poised.

We're winning games by passing for under 200 yards. Question is, can we limit the turnovers passing the ball the way Nichols has. I guess we'll see. If we run the O comparable to the games he started last year I feel like we should be okay.

I think Strev will end up with close to a 3-2 TD to INT ratio.  It's just the way he plays and makes decisions.  He's kind of the opposite of game management.  For Strev to work you have to set him loose.  I think you do crazy RB + sweep + Strev + pass 4-way threat plays half the game, and throw a dart to pick which one each play.  But I think you rush Strev much less than teams will expect.  The rest of the time you have Strev throw around 15-25 yards, which seems to be his forte.  His long ball, mechanics and arm strength seem lacking.

And, yes, it's time to dust the 4 early '18 games on the PVR and see what we'll be playing with again.

I don't think you'll see all these concerns with him abandoning the pass or being bad at reading a defense or making decisions that you think you will.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he's elite in those areas but he consistently shows QB play way above his experience level in those games and all those big mistakes... they don't exist.

But in early '18 he was the prototypical rookie, no-tape QB.  Assuming they don't delete year-old tape, teams will just dig that out and make this effectively start 5 for Strev.  Start 3-5 is when the no-tape QBs start regressing because teams can figure out exactly what to attack.

So now we get to find out if Strev is truly special, or not.  I think most here think he has some special something, and he just might (eventually) be CFL starting QB material.  We certainly haven't had a more promising "our rookie" #2 in like 10 years.

I said at the start of the year that Strev was the best #2 in the whole CFL.  I still stand by that.  I think there's a great chance he eclipses Fajardo and Arbuckle, MBT and Adams.  He's going to throw INTs but I think his spark and aggressiveness and leadership could rack up W's when paired with our #1 D.

Glenn cannot sling anything right now...

Hash at the local diner?  I jest.  If Glenn hadn't retired and Strev loses the next 3 in a row, I'd be on the phone to Glenn to be our #1.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 17, 2019, 11:35:37 AM
we will bring in some backup that cant run. Id try for Manziel. W'ed win the cup for sure. But I think the league wont let him back. Maybe Brandon Bridge?, Not too bad. Just dont bring in Franklin  or a Glenn type qb. McGuire has the arm and is mobile, they need to give him playing time, Put him in , if Streveller doesn't move the ball. LaPolice is too conservative at times. Im not sure if  Streveller is the answer, but I think he can get it done, need someone to throw quick out  pass pattern plays and throw deep. When we do that we always win even against Edmonton. Its when we play this 7 to 9 yard pass plays we get the 2 and outs.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Doublezero on August 17, 2019, 12:07:10 PM
I'd encourage everyone to go watch the games Streveler started last year (started, not came in in relief, as I think there's a big difference with someone inexperienced)

I don't think you'll see all these concerns with him abandoning the pass or being bad at reading a defense or making decisions that you think you will.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he's elite in those areas but he consistently shows QB play way above his experience level in those games and all those big mistakes... they don't exist.

Streveler threw two picks in those four starts. One was his first CFL pass, one was an inconsequential attempt to make something happen on a two point convert attempt. Essentially, he made one turnover in four games and it was on his first career pass. He only took five sacks, and didn't fumble.

His head is almost always up, looking downfield, when scrambling, he's very quick and decisive, avoided mistakes and was able to find 1v1 man coverage pretty often, a sign that he actually is good at reading a defense pre-snap. A lot of the stuff that gets thrown out there isn't really supported by the tape, especially when he's had time to prepare as the starter.
First off, I hope Nichols is OK. But your comments above mirror my general impression of Streveler's play as a starter too. And Lapo tweaked the schemes to meet Streveler's strengths ie: RPO and launch points from outside the pocket. Streveler's now got a year and a half under his belt in the CFL and has worked with his receivers and knows more of the game and the Bombers playbook. We'll be OK as long as Lapo doesn't try to get too fancy and outsmart himself. Streveler has raw skills that are off the charts. Should be exciting and fun to watch!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 17, 2019, 12:53:56 PM
It was mostly the team carrying Nichols last year and parts of this year. The team can carry Streveler too.

We don't want or need to do a bunch of trick plays with Streveler at QB. The playbook already has Streveler centric plays in it. It's the plays we practice and play calling that needs to be tweaked to match Streveler's strengths. If Nichols is out for a while, then we can add more Streveler plays to the playbook.

Nichols doesn't throw many picks and he checks down a lot to make sure that he doesn't throw them. Streveler will throw more picks because he takes more chances. Hopefully that will also result in more mid to deep completions.

I can't imagine bringing another 'name' QB in. Glenn's retired and rumour has it that he's turned teams down this year. Bridge isn't even as good as Streveler. We will live or die with Streveler at #1.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 17, 2019, 01:04:17 PM
I go by what I see in practice.  Nichols made more plays and has been more accurate by a wide margin than Strev and Strev also by a wide margin over McGuire. Anyone that thinks there will not be a huge drop off is dreaming.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 01:31:20 PM
I'm hearing ***early indications*** are Nicols is out for the season, but the team is seeking a second opinion  :-\ Injury is not too severe but the recovery time for a throwing shoulder injury like this is long. Not a career ender or anything

I wanted to see Strev handed the ball, but not like this. Hope he balls out. He looks a lot more comfortable when he has started games and had the whole week to practice with the team. Off the bench this year he's been running scared.
oh ya we are gonna YOUR word for it. LOL.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bigbuff33 on August 17, 2019, 01:36:40 PM


Bottom line...if we have to go with Strev...we need a veteran backup...
If Strev were to go down...McGwire would be it...
I'd imagine Walters is on the phone this weekend determining who is available...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 17, 2019, 01:53:23 PM
oh ya we are gonna YOUR word for it. LOL.

People on here do have connections to the club you know. ;D


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 01:58:22 PM
People on here do have connections to the club you know. ;D
;D is right!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 17, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
FWIW:

Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB  ? 14h
Chris Streveler, who will be quarterbacking the Bombers for a while, was 1-3 in 4 starts for the Bombers last year but he threw 8 td passes and only 2 interceptions.  What a challenging start he?ll have in Ed. Vs the ferocious Eskimo defence next Friday.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Big Daddy on August 17, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Finally got a chance to see it on tv.  Was at the game and didn't even realize he was hurt until driving home from the game - I suppose the fact we got an immediate turnover after contributed to not noticing while at the game.  

Looking at it in slow motion a few times, he went down hard on his right elbow, and his shoulder took all the force since his arm was held by Lemon going down.  Didn't look dislocated (would be a little harder to tell with the padding, but sure didn't look like it and he wasn't in nearly enough pain for that), and he was walking off without supporting it.  I would suspect an acromioclavicular joint strain minimum (i.e. shoulder separation), and an mri will help clarify the extent of tearing of ligaments with the joint.

Depending on the amount of damage, he could be out a few weeks if lucky, or 6+ wks if it's more extensive.

Looks like we are going to see what we have in the bullpen, and how well LaPo can modify the playbook.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Big Daddy on August 17, 2019, 02:34:15 PM
FWIW:

Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB  ? 14h
Chris Streveler, who will be quarterbacking the Bombers for a while, was 1-3 in 4 starts for the Bombers last year but he threw 8 td passes and only 2 interceptions.  What a challenging start he?ll have in Ed. Vs the ferocious Eskimo defence next Friday.

Wow - with that tweet it sure sounds like more than a mild strain.  Sure hope we can get him back in good shape by October in that case.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 17, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
FWIW:

Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB  ? 14h
Chris Streveler, who will be quarterbacking the Bombers for a while, was 1-3 in 4 starts for the Bombers last year but he threw 8 td passes and only 2 interceptions.  What a challenging start he?ll have in Ed. Vs the ferocious Eskimo defence next Friday.

Likely Bob has good information on what the injury is and the term he used ?for awhile? sounds like Nichols is out long term.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on August 17, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
Likely Bob has good information on what the injury is and the term he used ?for awhile? sounds like Nichols is out long term.

A while could be 2 weeks. Who knows.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 17, 2019, 03:15:02 PM
From @saraorlesky

No official word from the Bombers on Matt Nichols injury but they have reached out to the recently retired Kevin Glenn about returning. I?m told that while very tempted, he ultimately declined. #CFL @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports

Well, this speaks volumes.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 17, 2019, 03:16:17 PM
Sounds like "a while" means some number of games but not the season.  No way to know at this point.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: WpgGuyInToronto on August 17, 2019, 03:21:45 PM
Such a good start to the season well here?s to Matt on a speedy recovery. Hopefully we can go 5-4 down the stretch with streveler


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Duckman118 on August 17, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
What other vet can we bring in? Glenn would've been my top choice. Maybe lulay? Of course he's enjoying his retirement im sure, same as Glenn, but other than those two I can't think of anyone else I'd like.

Ray???

Let's hope Streveler lights it up and causes a controversy


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: catfan on August 17, 2019, 03:34:02 PM

 Sorry to hear about Nichols. So it looks like two back-ups will be playing in the Cup. Evans vs Streveler.
 that's if Nichols isn't back.

 Kind of levels the playing field. But I would prefer Masoli and Nichols going at it.




Catfan


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 17, 2019, 03:41:38 PM
From @saraorlesky

No official word from the Bombers on Matt Nichols injury but they have reached out to the recently retired Kevin Glenn about returning. I?m told that while very tempted, he ultimately declined. #CFL @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports

Well, this speaks volumes.


You got to be kidding. thats all we need is him on the sidelines. No team he has been with has ever won a cup.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 17, 2019, 03:42:24 PM
Talk about hitting the panic button. Calling out for Kevin Glenn..


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 17, 2019, 03:52:18 PM
From @saraorlesky

No official word from the Bombers on Matt Nichols injury but they have reached out to the recently retired Kevin Glenn about returning. I?m told that while very tempted, he ultimately declined. #CFL @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports

Well, this speaks volumes.

If they reached out to Glenn this fast, it wasn?t to come in for a few games. It?s a play to get him in here quickly and get in shape to play long term this season. People can look at it anyway they want I guess. But let?s be realistic, all signs are pointing to him being out for quite sometime.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 17, 2019, 03:53:21 PM
Talk about hitting the panic button. Calling out for Kevin Glenn..

Glenn played as insurance guy here a couple years ago. We released him early so he could sign with Sask. so goodwill should remain with this regime. Lapo and O'Shea know him.  It makes sense to me if they think so too.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 17, 2019, 03:56:15 PM
If they reached out to Glenn this fast, it wasn?t to come in for a few games. It?s a play to get him in here quickly and get in shape to play long term this season. People can look at it anyway they want I guess. But let?s be realistic, all signs are pointing to him being out for quite sometime.

Certainly looks that way...I am sure the players already know the prognosis


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Duckman118 on August 17, 2019, 03:57:16 PM
Talk about hitting the panic button. Calling out for Kevin Glenn..
Nobody wants him to start, just be there in case things go south with Streveler


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 17, 2019, 03:57:44 PM
If they reached out to Glenn this fast, it wasn?t to come in for a few games. It?s a play to get him in here quickly and get in shape to play long term this season. People can look at it anyway they want I guess. But let?s be realistic, all signs are pointing to him being out for quite sometime.
Gotta agree with this. 'Some Time' doesn't sound like a couple of games.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 17, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
Nobody wants him to start, just be there in case things go south with Streveler
To me this is the coaches admitting Strev is not ready. Otherwise they say next man up.  They didn't.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 17, 2019, 04:10:21 PM
A trade with Toronto?
One of their three?
Ricky Ray
Buck out of retirement?

NFL cut? Need a game manager! That's all we need. Glenn would have been nice......29 years and counting.....why are we cursed?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 17, 2019, 04:27:19 PM
To me this is the coaches admitting Strev is not ready. Otherwise they say next man up.  They didn't.

Not really - let's just say Nichols is done for the year or close to it - they will be bringing in another QB - make sense to bring in someone with some playing experience.  Hamilton brought in Watford...says nothing about what they think of Strevler.  Strev is the guy!!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 04:49:22 PM
If they reached out to Glenn this fast, it wasn?t to come in for a few games. It?s a play to get him in here quickly and get in shape to play long term this season. People can look at it anyway they want I guess. But let?s be realistic, all signs are pointing to him being out for quite sometime.
It looks to be that way. Nichols is back to his previous injury prone ways. Calling Glenn is truly a rough diagnosis.

Oh well Streveler time! It would be interesting to see how he does and if he does well what the Blue Bombers do in resigning.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 17, 2019, 04:49:48 PM
From @saraorlesky

No official word from the Bombers on Matt Nichols injury but they have reached out to the recently retired Kevin Glenn about returning. I?m told that while very tempted, he ultimately declined. #CFL @CFLonTSN @TSN_Sports

Well, this speaks volumes.

Knew this would happen, glad he didn't take them up on it...


You got to be kidding. thats all we need is him on the sidelines. No team he has been with has ever won a cup.

That too..


I can see a new recruit / neg lister come in, or a trade for anolther team's neg lister.. not knowing who TOR has on thier list reduces speculation there, because they aren't signing a neg list QB anytime soon...  

Franklin off the IR will be an issue for TOR, especially if Collaros comes off too...  not giving up assets like we got for Willy, though


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bunker on August 17, 2019, 04:49:56 PM
To me this is the coaches admitting Strev is not ready. Otherwise they say next man up.  They didn't.
You might be right, but more likely they are not sure he is ready, and want a back up plan that does not involve having to consider McGuire as a starter. Also If Streveler gets injured, we're down to 1 QB with no CFL experience.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 04:51:41 PM
A trade with Toronto?
One of their three?
Ricky Ray
Buck out of retirement?

NFL cut? Need a game manager! That's all we need. Glenn would have been nice......29 years and counting.....why are we cursed?
DM have a wobbly pop and chill man. We can still do it.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 17, 2019, 04:53:16 PM
I could see us making a trade for one of MBT/Franklin once he?s cleared and as well Collaros.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 04:53:23 PM
You might be right, but more likely they are not sure he is ready, and want a back up plan that does not involve having to consider McGuire as a starter. Also If Streveler gets injured, we're down to 1 QB with no CFL experience.
To me it is more this than a guy like Glenn supplanting Streveler. Maybe Bridge would be a writhing back choice in the very short term. Eeeek!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 04:54:31 PM
I could see us making a trade for one of MBT/Franklin once he?s cleared and as well Collaros.
Toronto will not trade MBT and if so what the heck would they want? MBT would be a amazing back up though.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 17, 2019, 04:55:14 PM
To me this is the coaches admitting Strev is not ready. Otherwise they say next man up.  They didn't.

They immediately said Streveler starts, what are you talking about?  And McGuire backs him up.  The concern is for a vet 3rd man that can get to CFL speed quick, experience in Lapo's system a bonus.  BC is running with Reilly / O'Brein only on thier roster... 3rd QB rarely gets a snap unless he's a short yardage guy...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 17, 2019, 04:57:12 PM
I'm thinking a trade is the only option for a vet now. Toronto and Montreal each have a guy they could spare but what would the cost be? We would not be getting an allstar.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 17, 2019, 05:00:32 PM
I could see us making a trade for one of MBT/Franklin once he?s cleared and as well Collaros.

Franklin might do better in Winnipeg but I wouldn't want to give up much if anything to get him. I wouldn't want MBT under any circumstances but do think he's the odd man out of the Argos.

There is no way we should consider Lulay or R. Ray due to cost and their injury histories.

All of this seems to show why CFL rosters going to only 2 QB's in 2020 doesn't sound like a smart idea.

My guess is that we try and sign a neg list QB or a soon to be released NFL TC QB as rosters are trimmed shortly.

Whatever we do it won't help much this week or in the near future. Learning the CFL game and the playbook will take time.

Streveler may play well but that's all uncertain.

I wonder what the team feels about McGuire?  It's not easy for any new QB to join the roster and bump up to # 2 quickly.

If Nichols is expected back this season then will we look for a vet or a development QB? Talking to Glenn sounded like an act of desperation which isn't a good sign. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 17, 2019, 05:03:27 PM
Toronto will not trade MBT and if so what the heck would they want? MBT would be a amazing back up though.

They can't keep Collaros, Franklin and MBT. You really think they'd keep MBT over Franklin who they said was their # 1 QB at the beginning of the season?

I could be wrong but I'm still of the opinion that MBT will be gone.

Montreal only has 3 QB's so I doubt they'd trade anybody.

Pickings are slim.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 17, 2019, 05:23:10 PM
They can't keep Collaros, Franklin and MBT. You really think they'd keep MBT over Franklin who they said was their # 1 QB at the beginning of the season?

I could be wrong but I'm still of the opinion that MBT will be gone.

Montreal only has 3 QB's so I doubt they'd trade anybody.

Pickings are slim.

I agree, MBT is likely to become expendable in T.O. but it might take some time to sort out while Collaros and Franklin are still on the 6-game.  He would also be a good backup option to Streveler as he could leap-frog McGuire almost immediately and contribute in game situations and might even do well here.  The team obviously likes him as they brought him into the league initially but they may be forced to conjure up a trade to expedite his arrival.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 17, 2019, 05:25:18 PM
Franklin might do better in Winnipeg but I wouldn't want to give up much if anything to get him. I wouldn't want MBT under any circumstances but do think he's the odd man out of the Argos.

There is no way we should consider Lulay or R. Ray due to cost and their injury histories.

All of this seems to show why CFL rosters going to only 2 QB's in 2020 doesn't sound like a smart idea.

My guess is that we try and sign a neg list QB or a soon to be released NFL TC QB as rosters are trimmed shortly.

Whatever we do it won't help much this week or in the near future. Learning the CFL game and the playbook will take time.

Streveler may play well but that's all uncertain.

I wonder what the team feels about McGuire?  It's not easy for any new QB to join the roster and bump up to # 2 quickly.

If Nichols is expected back this season then will we look for a vet or a development QB? Talking to Glenn sounded like an act of desperation which isn't a good sign. 

They kept him over Bennett because of his upside potential...  I think he might push Streveler if Streve struggles out of the gate...

I agree, MBT is likely to become expendable in T.O. but it might take some time to sort out while Collaros and Franklin are still on the 6-game.  He would also be a good backup option to Streveler as he could leap-frog McGuire almost immediately and contribute in game situations and might even do well here.  The team obviously likes him as they brought him into the league initially but they may have to conjure up a trade to expedite his arrival.

MBT was here, and we let him go... pretty sure he would be #3 here right now... and while he has had flashes of good, he's also had periods of awful... 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Bomber Diehard on August 17, 2019, 05:26:15 PM
I heard on 1290 yesterday that the Bombers have a qb on their neg list that they are excited about.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 17, 2019, 05:32:58 PM
They kept him over Bennett because of his upside potential...  I think he might push Streveler if Streve struggles out of the gate...

MBT was here, and we let him go... pretty sure he would be #3 here right now... and while he has had flashes of good, he's also had periods of awful... 

MBT has been put through a grinder this year in T.O. and looks to be emerging from the other-side intact, the experience he's gained can not be duplicated without absorbing a half-dozen losses.  He's well ahead of McGuire in experience now.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 17, 2019, 06:12:42 PM
I heard on 1290 yesterday that the Bombers have a qb on their neg list that they are excited about.

No doubt. The problem is how long does it take any new QB to the CFL to get up and running so to speak.  We've seen how long it takes for QB's in particular to develop so I'm thinking a neg list QB is a development situation.

We're likely taking the road with those on the roster now. Hoping they do well and avoid injury while Nichols is out.  Lots of unknowns in this scenario especially with not knowing if and when Nichols might return in 2019.

Streveler has been here for 1 1/2 seasons and knows the system and play book. Fingers are crossed that he's the next Arbuckle etc etc.

We're going to find out whether we were ready for it or not. He doesn't have to win all on his own. The team surrounding him is very good. As long a he doesn't self destruct we may be fine.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 17, 2019, 06:18:01 PM
Knew this would happen, glad he didn't take them up on it...

That too..


I can see a new recruit / neg lister come in, or a trade for anolther team's neg lister.. not knowing who TOR has on thier list reduces speculation there, because they aren't signing a neg list QB anytime soon...  

Franklin off the IR will be an issue for TOR, especially if Collaros comes off too...  not giving up assets like we got for Willy, though

Oh come on folks. Now is the time to see whether Streveler has got what it takes. It sounds to me with the reaching out to Glenn  that LaPo has his doubts about Streveler. That's not a good thing. I think he has regressed but let's see how he does with first team reps and a full game or two under his belt. Even Matt lost to a couple of loser teams so some leeway is needed for him. And I seem to be the only one with more confidence in McGuire than I have in Streveler. Maybe that's not a good thing though. lol. But I think we'll see McGuire as well and if this team is to move forward with its backups then lets do it. But how Streveler has not been sufficiently developed is a reflection on the coach and he should get the brunt of criticism if this thing goes badly south. But I have confidence in other parts of this team: the D when it's not playing soft cover/prevent and when Hall is more aggressive in his D calls and the special teams AND of course, Harris, the one-man show.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 17, 2019, 06:36:17 PM
Reaching out to Glenn is more a reflection on McGuire than it is on Strevler.  Strev is number one now - if he goes down and you have McGuire and some other dude who has never seen the CFL.  A QB like Glenn or Franklin or watford (what Hamilton did) gives you some security.   


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 06:41:07 PM
Reaching out to Glenn is more a reflection on McGuire than it is on Strevler.  Strev is number one now - if he goes down and you have McGuire and some other dude who has never seen the CFL.  A QB like Glenn or Franklin or watford (what Hamilton did) gives you some security.   
Well said this is the reason for the reach out.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 17, 2019, 06:45:38 PM
Reaching out to Glenn is more of a reflection on how long they think Nichols will be out. It'll take Glenn 2-3 weeks to get back in shape and learn the playbook. No need to even reach out to him unless Nichols is going to be out for more than 6 weeks.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 17, 2019, 06:52:20 PM
Reaching out to Glenn is more of a reflection on how long they think Nichols will be out. It'll take Glenn 2-3 weeks to get back in shape and learn the playbook. No need to even reach out to him unless Nichols is going to be out for more than 6 weeks.

That too.  As I said before you mess with a QB throwing arm or shoulder in any serious way beyond a bruise it could easily be as long as done for the year


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 17, 2019, 06:54:04 PM
we're going to be fine with Streveler at the helm and running the show... Matt averaged 215 yds passing and 6 yards rushing per game... Streveler should be able to duplicate that production, 221 yards of total offense, through a combination of his running and passing... Streveler is already averaging 25 yd per game rushing and that's primary running the short yardage package...

we have a good team around him, one that has won and supported wins through all phases of the game, offense, defense, and special teams... you know that they will continue to do so and will want to get the wins for Nichols and Streveler... as long as we stay away from gimmick type of plays that they are currently giving Streveler when he comes in as relief you will see a more stable and capable QB in Streveler... it's like when they bring him in currently it is to shock the other team by trying some gadget play or something...

Hopefully Lapo gives him a game plan that allows him to just play QB well taking advantage of his natural skills and abilities... I'd like to see formations with a lot of motion and misdirection, and not to be confused with trick or gimmick plays, to keep opponents wondering what we are doing... a nice balance of run and pass plays... I think that in doing so we'll be just as strong of a team and will win more than we lose...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 17, 2019, 07:02:55 PM
It wouldn't take. Glenn long to get acclimatized....the playbook would be shortened initially but he is a game manager also.  Ricky Ray or some other old fossil,,behind a decent O-line would fit in nicely.  Of course those guys should stay retired, but for $100,000 for three months work? What the heck.

Who else is out there?  Does out coaching staff have any old relationships?

Drew Willy Back at the controls.....with an offensive line.......
It's all about re-deeming, vindication,

Remember, we need a guy to hand off, and. Find the open receiver in check downs, while throwing six other passes longer than ten yards in a game.

Henry Burris?
Does Oshea have a connection with Ricky Ray?

Who else?

The easy move is to trade for one of the Toronto guys.  That is if Nichols is significantly injured.
In the meantime,  Go Strev!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 17, 2019, 07:04:02 PM
Yeah that might be the majority opinion but you don't reach out to a veteran QB like Glenn unless you  have grave concerns about your ostensible starter, Streveler. Glenn may be the fastest guy to absorb a playbook and the guy more easily substituted for Streveler. Any other backups out there who've played a bit would otherwise substitute if you had full confidence in Strevler. I just think there's a lot more going on here. And as at least I see it, McGuire to me is a better pass first QB that I can see but of course that remains to be seen but surely Lapo saw that when he let Bennett go. Anyway I can see both sides of this issue.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 07:08:31 PM
we're going to be fine with Streveler at the helm and running the show... Matt averaged 215 yds passing and 6 yards rushing per game... Streveler should be able to duplicate that production, 221 yards of total offense, through a combination of his running and passing... Streveler is already averaging 25 yd per game rushing and that's primary running the short yardage package...

we have a good team around him, one that has won and supported wins through all phases of the game, offense, defense, and special teams... you know that they will continue to do so and will want to get the wins for Nichols and Streveler... as long as we stay away from gimmick type of plays that they are currently giving Streveler when he comes in as relief you will see a more stable and capable QB in Streveler... it's like when they bring him in currently it is to shock the other team by trying some gadget play or something...

Hopefully Lapo gives him a game plan that allows him to just play QB well taking advantage of his natural skills and abilities... I'd like to see formations with a lot of motion and misdirection, and not to be confused with trick or gimmick plays, to keep opponents wondering what we are doing... a nice balance of run and pass plays... I think that in doing so we'll be just as strong of a team and will win more than we lose...
Awesome well said and run along completely my thoughts.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 17, 2019, 07:16:34 PM
Awesome well said and run along completely my thoughts.

thank you, Goldie!

and for the record, I would have honestly preferred to have Nichols finish out this run this year, but, evidently that wasn't in the cards...

but here's another take away from this, at least from a team perspective and the future of the club... forcing Streveler into the starting role will without a doubt un-muddy the waters about what to do going into the 2020 season... this will end all of the speculations about who's better and do we chase Streveler and release Nichols, or, to we continue down the path with Nichols...

unfortunate for Matt, injuries are always a bad thing and season ender's can be devasting... I just pray for a full recovery for Matt and wish him well in general...

now, as a team and a fan, we need to get behind Streveler and show support... whether it's for a game or two or for the rest of the season... our management, coaches and all, anointed him as QB2 for a reason and in doing so said he's the 'next man up'... time to embrace that concept and trust their decision...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 17, 2019, 07:28:45 PM
I would only bring in another QB if Nichols is out long term and if they've reached out to Kevin Glenn coupled with Bob Irving's tweets I think that this is likely. This has nothing to do with Streveler since I think that with the defence and special teams this team can still win games. I'm not as convinced that we'll finish first or win the Grey Cup but we'll get an idea Friday night against Edmonton. The reason that I'd bring in another QB is for insurance. If something were to happen to Streveler does anyone here want to go into a game with only McGuire at QB?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 07:36:11 PM
I would only bring in another QB if Nichols is out long term and if they've reached out to Kevin Glenn coupled with Bob Irving's tweets I think that this is likely. This has nothing to do with Streveler since I think that with the defence and special teams this team can still win games. I'm not as convinced that we'll finish first or win the Grey Cup but we'll get an idea Friday night against Edmonton. The reason that I'd bring in another QB is for insurance. If something were to happen to Streveler does anyone here want to go into a game with only McGuire at QB?
If need be I would be ok with bringing Bennett back.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 17, 2019, 07:55:12 PM
If Nichols is done for the year, Bombers need a back-up to Streveler that has CFL experience.

Before they trade to get one of the Argos extra QB's, honestly think it will Bridge.

Any new QB from the US or an NFL cut will not be ready this season.

Honestly hope Nichols is only 6 gamed maximum.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Jockitch on August 17, 2019, 07:59:29 PM
Agree ....... getting Bennett back would be prudent in my mind should it be the case where Nichols is in a 6+ on the injured list
Lapo let him go once but in training camp, etc., this guy had a fluid, decently accurate arm ........ plus we know he's a warrior on ST.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 08:02:13 PM
Agree ....... getting Bennett back would be prudent in my mind should it be the case where Nichols is in a 6+ on the injured list
Lapo let him go once but in training camp, etc., this guy had a fluid, decently accurate arm ........ plus we know he's a warrior on ST.
I would like rather get him than Bridge


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 17, 2019, 08:16:25 PM
Agree ....... getting Bennett back would be prudent in my mind should it be the case where Nichols is in a 6+ on the injured list
Lapo let him go once but in training camp, etc., this guy had a fluid, decently accurate arm ........ plus we know he's a warrior on ST.
As far as QBs go....experience is everything and how do you get any if your a back up....well you either outplay the number one guy which doesn't happen often or you wait until you're given a shot through injury.   This may be Streveler's best shot and now the rest is up to him, his coaches and teammates as to how this pans out.   Some posters on here like Chevy, PJ and GM are optimistic....add my name to the list of optimists!!   Patiently optimistic I might add!!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 08:19:14 PM
As far as QBs go....experience is everything and how do you get any if your a back up....well you either outplay the number one guy which doesn't happen often or you wait until you're given a shot through injury.   This may be Streveler's best shot and now the rest is up to him, his coaches and teammates as to how this pans out.   Some posters on here like Chevy, PJ and GM are optimistic....add my name to the list of optimists!!   Patiently optimistic I might add!!
👍


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 17, 2019, 08:20:42 PM
Isn't Bennett on Saskatchewans roster?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 17, 2019, 08:33:49 PM
Isn't Bennett on Saskatchewnss roster?

Yes and good chance he doesn't want to come back to Wpg. after they kicked him out the door in favour of rookie McGuire.  I'm stilled pissed off about that decision!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 17, 2019, 08:39:18 PM
Yes and good chance he doesn't want to come back to Wpg. after they kicked him out the door in favour of rookie McGuire.  I'm stilled pissed off about that decision!

That's because Bennett was too much like Streveler. Why have a redundant backup QB? With McGuire they see a guy with a balanced attack and a pass first mentality.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 17, 2019, 09:04:26 PM
That's because Bennett was too much like Streveler. Why have a redundant backup QB? With McGuire they see a guy with a balanced attack and a pass first mentality.

I dunno about that, they cut him after he completed a 85 yd. TD pass in the 2nd pre-season game, so he had potential as a pocket passer.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: the paw on August 17, 2019, 09:14:13 PM
I just went through the cfl.ca database to look for available QBs, and assuming Adrian McPherson wants to stay retired at 36.  The best two options, IMHO, are Brandon Bridge or Jeff Matthews (in that order).

I don?t think any team from the West will trade us a QB.  Given how fast QBs are going down, I?m not sure anyone in the east has one to spare.  Maybe Toronto, but the aren?t trading Franklin, and I don?t think any of the others are worth giving assets for.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 17, 2019, 09:24:55 PM
The biggest problem is all the QBs that have been injured. There's really no one else out there. I think that they'll be okay with Streveler as IMO they'll win the home games against Saskatchewan, Montreal and Hamilton. That brings them to 10-8 which would be good enough to make the playoffs even as a crossover team.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 17, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
If having to go with Streveler flushes the season, with the roster he has around him, then coaches and management made a colossal error in keeping him as the backup.

If we relied on 350 yards from our QB, I'd be extremely worried. Relying on 175-200 is much easier to replace.

I think we'll be okay.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bludan on August 17, 2019, 09:39:01 PM
The biggest problem is all the QBs that have been injured. There's really no one else out there. I think that they'll be okay with Streveler as IMO they'll win the home games against Saskatchewan, Montreal and Hamilton. That brings them to 10-8 which would be good enough to make the playoffs even as a crossover team.

To be honest, at the rate things are going, the playoffs might be led completely by backup or broken qbs.  If that is the case, I would say we still have a pretty strong opportunity.  This season has really been bad for injuries, though thankfully, it was only really the Collaros one that was due to dirty play.  


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
The biggest problem is all the QBs that have been injured. There's really no one else out there. I think that they'll be okay with Streveler as IMO they'll win the home games against Saskatchewan, Montreal and Hamilton. That brings them to 10-8 which would be good enough to make the playoffs even as a crossover team.
Wow things are looking up then blue girl. Sheeesh! ::)


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 17, 2019, 10:41:25 PM
I don't know why some in here are in a state of panic.  Streveler will be fine and will do well at the controls.  Give him Playbook #1, not the gadget offense he is supposed to run when inserted.  It's on Lapolice to use him to his fullest potential.  If Streveler can't pass for 200 to 225 yards, then why the heck is he still in the CFL?  Bombers made a huge mistake releasing Bennett, he was the best looking QB in the preseason. Streveler will get it done.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2019, 10:46:43 PM
I don't know why some in here are in a state of panic.  Streveler will be fine and will do well at the controls.  Give him Playbook #1, not the gadget offense he is supposed to run when inserted.  It's on Lapolice to use him to his fullest potential.  If Streveler can't pass for 200 to 225 yards, then why the heck is he still in the CFL?  Bombers made a huge mistake releasing Bennett, he was the best looking QB in the preseason. Streveler will get it done.
They released Bennett because Maguire out played him in camp and preseason. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kronic on August 17, 2019, 11:09:27 PM
That we haven?t heard ANYTHING official at this point is really scary imo. Fearful he?s gone for the year instead of just 6 weeked.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 17, 2019, 11:10:19 PM
They released Bennett because Maguire out played him in camp and preseason. 

We're getting nowhere with Maguire. We picked the wrong player!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Maguire

I prefer McGuire

https://www.bluebombers.com/players/sean-mcguire/164251/

 ;D


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kronic on August 17, 2019, 11:12:23 PM
I don't know why some in here are in a state of panic.  Streveler will be fine and will do well at the controls.  Give him Playbook #1, not the gadget offense he is supposed to run when inserted.  It's on Lapolice to use him to his fullest potential.  If Streveler can't pass for 200 to 225 yards, then why the heck is he still in the CFL?  Bombers made a huge mistake releasing Bennett, he was the best looking QB in the preseason. Streveler will get it done.

I?m panicking. Don?t think Streveler?s ANYWHERE near ready. I hope I?m REALLY wrong.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 17, 2019, 11:13:24 PM
That we haven?t heard ANYTHING official at this point is really scary imo. Fearful he?s gone for the year instead of just 6 weeked.

Even if 6 game him it could be longer.  I would be surprised if they actually come out and say exactly what is wrong - they haven't for any other players but maybe given he is the starting QB they would - Calgary outlined what was wrong with BLM, so did Hamilton, it was obvious with Collaros...

I expect we will hear "upper body injury" on the 6 game injured list. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomb squad on August 17, 2019, 11:17:14 PM
The biggest problem is all the QBs that have been injured. There's really no one else out there. I think that they'll be okay with Streveler as IMO they'll win the home games against Saskatchewan, Montreal and Hamilton. That brings them to 10-8 which would be good enough to make the playoffs even as a crossover team.

You sure don't ask for much. Have you been watching the backups with Calgary, Hamilton & Saskatchewan? He better do better than 3 and 6. That's not "Okay".


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 17, 2019, 11:33:55 PM
Unless he can improve his passing accuracy I don't see him beating the other teams defences.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 17, 2019, 11:34:26 PM
That we haven?t heard ANYTHING official at this point is really scary imo. Fearful he?s gone for the year instead of just 6 weeked.

I don't think the fact we have not heard anything dictates his injury. The bombers hold their card very close to their chest when discussing injuries.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kronic on August 17, 2019, 11:52:30 PM
I don't think the fact we have not heard anything dictates his injury. The bombers hold their card very close to their chest when discussing injuries.

I agree with that. I?m just saying the silence is deafening. The report that we?ve reached out to Glenn alone means it?s borderline disastrous for our season.

No disrespect meant to Kevin Glenn btw.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 18, 2019, 12:38:14 AM
I dont think it's a dislocation  could be wrong  but usually they put a sling on it to keep the weight off  . Could be a sprained wrist hand .


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Jesse on August 18, 2019, 01:02:27 AM
Well, I think most here are jumping the gun. Bombers never share injury news and I think counting Nichols out is still premature.

That said, worst case scenario, we get a good look at our QB situation before we have to make some contract decisions in the off season. I'm not as high on Streveler as I was last season, but I fully believe him capable of reproducing the offensive numbers that we've been creating so far.

Any vet QB that we have reached out to would obviously be for a back up position to Streveler.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomb squad on August 18, 2019, 01:04:12 AM
Unless he can improve his passing accuracy I don't see him beating the other teams defences.

I think you're selling him short. I guess we'll find out. I hope I'm right and you're wrong.  ;)


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 18, 2019, 01:34:36 AM
I agree with that. I?m just saying the silence is deafening. The report that we?ve reached out to Glenn alone means it?s borderline disastrous for our season.

No disrespect meant to Kevin Glenn btw.

Glenn as the obvious first choice.  Experience in the Lapo system, and he only costs money.  Prudent offer, luckily he declined.

Bridge wouldn't be an awful 3rd QB, or a new recruit.  No one is trading a QB now, at least not for what we'd want to pay.  Unless it is an expensive QB coming off the IR, like Franklin or Collaros...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 18, 2019, 01:43:15 AM
I think you're selling him short. I guess we'll find out. I hope I'm right and you're wrong.  ;)
I hope I'm wrong too. I just have a gut feeling.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2019, 01:44:25 AM
I hope I'm wrong too. I just have a gut feeling.
I am surprised you think Streveler will suck that bad!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bluegold4life on August 18, 2019, 01:54:37 AM
I don't post often anymore but I'll throw this out there for discussion.

If possible would Dan LeFevour be an option?
I know he's retired but he is still younger then other options discussed. He has experience and knows the team and Lapo.

Discuss... Look forward to reading everyone's thoughts 😊😁


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 18, 2019, 02:00:01 AM
I am surprised you think Streveler will suck that bad!
It's not that he'll suck but I hope that he can start thinking pass first run second. He has to start beating teams with his arm and not his legs. Like I said I hope that I'm wrong. Fortunately for the Bombers I usually am.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2019, 02:03:14 AM
I don't post often anymore but I'll throw this out there for discussion.

If possible would Dan LeFevour be an option?
I know he's retired but he is still younger then other options discussed. He has experience and knows the team and Lapo.

Discuss... Look forward to reading everyone's thoughts 😊😁
one of the worse throwers in recent CFL history. Hard Pass.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bluegold4life on August 18, 2019, 02:12:17 AM
Unfortunately there are a lot of hard passes lol ... So many names being thrown around. Just read somewhere that names like Willy, Bridge, Matthews, Gale being thrown around. Not a lot of options out there 😏

I will say that most names being thrown around are rumours. Don't know why we would even consider Willy lol 😜 just saying.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2019, 02:15:22 AM
Unfortunately there are a lot of hard passes lol ... So many names being thrown around. Just read somewhere that names like Willy, Bridge, Matthews, Gale being thrown around. Not a lot of options out there 😏

I will say that most names being thrown around are rumours. Don't know why we would even consider Willy lol 😜 just saying.
no doubt dude. WILLY! Again best last name ever in football but no thanks.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bluegold4life on August 18, 2019, 02:18:26 AM
no doubt dude. WILLY! Again best last name ever in football but no thanks.

Where's the thumbs up button? Lol ... 👍👍👍 I can throw some "bad/ridiculous" names out there as well.... Porter, Brink, Bishop lol ... Just having fun. How about Buck suiting up? 😝


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 18, 2019, 02:33:37 AM
I think we can win with Streveler as long as he has better ball protection... that's LaPolice's strength...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2019, 02:34:56 AM
Where's the thumbs up button? Lol ... 👍👍👍 I can throw some "bad/ridiculous" names out there as well.... Porter, Brink, Bishop lol ... Just having fun. How about Buck suiting up? 😝
ugh don?t get me started with old crappy CFL QBs.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 02:35:38 AM
Strev can go 500.  If not McGuire might steal a game or two.  Love Nichols and we need him but we can do this.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: RebusRankin on August 18, 2019, 02:37:58 AM
Why the love for Bridge who has shown he struggles in the passing game? Why the love for Bennet who has thrown a total of 8 CFL passes and who has only distinguished himself on STs?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bluegold4life on August 18, 2019, 02:42:57 AM
FTR I'm not saying Streveler & McGuire can't get the job done and they will get the chance. It's no secret that Streveler is next up. I'm just commenting on the fact that we are looking for an experienced QB to (a) Provide us with an experienced back up IF our two young guns struggle and (b) to mentor and offer our young guns in game advice & support.

I will add that I don't think Bridge is THAT GUY


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: RebusRankin on August 18, 2019, 02:46:27 AM
FTR I'm not saying Streveler & McGuire can't get the job done and they will get the chance. It's no secret that Streveler is next up. I'm just commenting on the fact that we are looking for an experienced QB to (a) Provide us with an experienced back up IF our two young guns struggle and (b) to mentor and offer our young guns in game advice & support.

I will add that I don't think Bridge is THAT GUY

Oh I understand wanting an experienced guy and Glenn would be great. Some of the names though are laughable.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 02:47:35 AM
how much does a 3rd stringer make?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2019, 02:47:52 AM
Nichols doesn't throw many picks and he checks down a lot to make sure that he doesn't throw them. Streveler will throw more picks because he takes more chances. Hopefully that will also result in more mid to deep completions.

I can't imagine bringing another 'name' QB in. Glenn's retired and rumour has it that he's turned teams down this year. Bridge isn't even as good as Streveler. We will live or die with Streveler at #1.

I think you're right, at least for 5 games or so: Strev is our man, our clear #1, MOS will state he's the clear #1 and the team will back him.  Maybe we whisper to other QBs around to sniff out who will back up Strev in case he goes down.  But Strev is it.  Now, if Strev loses 5 of the next 5 games and throws more picks than Jennings, then we hit the panic button.

Don't forget that this is our year.  This year.  Not next year.  This year we have to get it done, at least to the GC.  If we get to the GC, most of our huge names will stay with us next year without demanding huge raises.  If we bomb out in the WSF, they'll go their separate ways.

So I'll propose something truly bold: if it's clear Strev can't give us enough to win games and playoffs, why not go really big?  This is our year, we can't waste it for lack of QB.  Why not trade huge, like rent Mike Reilly for the rest of the season from BC who will clearly be out of any playoffs after 3-5 more games?  Give up whatever 1st/2nd round picks we have to to BC so they can finally get a good OL for 2020.  We're stacked with NATs, we can live without any 2020 picks.  Make a deal that BC gets back MR for 2020.  We don't want him (can't afford him) once Nichols is back.

Setting the crazy aside: another good fit would be Franklin.  He stunk so bad in TOR I don't see why they'd want to play him.  He's a horrible fit for TOR.  But smilin' Franklin would be perfect MOS locker-room material and he might feel more comfortable here.  And I don't think we've seen the real Franklin yet.  But I wouldn't trade squat for Franklin: I'd just wait for TOR to cut him.  They need to cut 2 QBs, and by far the worst fit for them is Franklin.  I think MBT has done enough to stay in TOR, and he knows the book better than anyone there.

Never Collaros.  Even if he comes in and is good, he'll get broken before the playoffs and we'll be just as screwed.

But until Strev loses 5 in a row, I think we just sit with Strev, nibble on #3 boring options, and wait and see.  But don't despair, I really think we have at least a 50/50 chance Strev turns out to be the best backup QB in the CFL this year!

It looks to be that way. Nichols is back to his previous injury prone ways. Calling Glenn is truly a rough diagnosis.

Uh, this injury has nothing to do with Nichols.  Our OL failed miserably (on blocking and communication) so Lemon got to Nichols' blindside untouched.  Then Lemon lands his whole body weight pancaked on Nichols' back.  If any of us fall down with Lemon on our backs, we'll probably have more busted up than just an arm.  Literally every QB in the league would be busted up after that play.

All of this seems to show why CFL rosters going to only 2 QB's in 2020 doesn't sound like a smart idea.

I wonder what the team feels about McGuire?  It's not easy for any new QB to join the roster and bump up to # 2 quickly.

Ya, talk about bad timing on both fronts: CFL decides only 2 QBs during the year where 80% of #1 QBs get hurt simultaneously.  And KW/Lapo/MOS deciding McGuire is the keeper and not extra-year Bennett.

Hopefully the CFL will rethink that 2 QB idea given all we've seen.  In all seriousness, what does a team do if both QBs go down in the same game?  Just run direct snaps to RBs all night?  It's not like we haven't seen it before.  We saw it a couple of times in MTL a few years back, right?  All for what, to save a few bucks on a #3 to entice a 10th team?  Lame.

Drew Willy Back at the controls.....with an offensive line.......

Uh, it's our OL's fault that we're in this mess right now.

If possible would Dan LeFevour be an option?

Feve is like a Strev who throws even worse (way worse).  No long ball at all.  And Feve didn't retire 6 months ago, he retired 1 year and 6 months ago.  If we're calling up Feve, we're really in trouble!  But I'd take Feve as the 3rd&1 guy any day of the week.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bluegold4life on August 18, 2019, 02:50:12 AM
Oh I understand wanting an experienced guy and Glenn would be great. Some of the names though are laughable.

The names I threw out were a joke with the exception of LeFevour. I just stated what I read in regards to Willy, Bridge, Matthews, Gale etc. Honestly I don't like any of those options lol. But not alot of QB's available.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 02:58:28 AM
Anyone know who our emergency backup QB would be? I know with kickers there usually is a guy on the club that can boot it.  Any ideas? Just curious.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2019, 03:03:09 AM
Anyone know who our emergency backup QB would be? I know with kickers there usually is a guy on the club that can boot it.  Any ideas? Just curious.

Yes, if this mentally deranged idea isn't ditched before 2020 hits, the ex-QB WRs (like Sinopoli) could suddenly become very valuable.  I'm not sure we have any, but Adams has shown he can pass OK.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 03:08:25 AM
Yes, if this mentally deranged idea isn't ditched before 2020 hits, the ex-QB WRs (like Sinopoli) could suddenly become very valuable.  I'm not sure we have any, but Adams has shown he can pass OK.


Right.  I wonder how well Sinopoli could preform after a few weeks of practice at QB.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on August 18, 2019, 03:19:38 AM
Lean on Harris, receivers and D rise to the challenge and we will be just fine. The nice thing for us is that even tho we are 7-2 we were still not playing up to our full potential. We will now...and we will win more than we lose. Even if we go 5-4 down the stretch we are pretty much hosting a playoff team


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 04:08:35 AM
Lean on Harris, receivers and D rise to the challenge and we will be just fine. The nice thing for us is that even tho we are 7-2 we were still not playing up to our full potential. We will now...and we will win more than we lose. Even if we go 5-4 down the stretch we are pretty much hosting a playoff team
Agree


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: ModAdmin on August 18, 2019, 04:19:45 AM
So, we are 7 and 2 (first in the west).
We are, at the half way point, 2 points ahead of Edmonton and 4 points ahead of Sask. and Calgary.
We are second in the league in points for and second in the league in points against.
We are 5 and 0 at home and 4 and 0 against division rivals.

This accomplished with a QB (Nichols) who was lamented by many to be a lower tier QB.

54% of our offensive plays come as a result of Andrew Harris' hands on the ball.

Now a great many are saying we can't win without Nichols and Streveler will not produce enough to keep wins rolling.

It is a strange world we live in.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kkc60 on August 18, 2019, 04:30:10 AM
Anyone know who our emergency backup QB would be? I know with kickers there usually is a guy on the club that can boot it.  Any ideas? Just curious.
Hm I'd say one of our WRs if we don't have a recent converted player (like Marshall or Sinopoli). They tend to have the athleticism, knowledge of the offense and replacements


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 04:40:36 AM
So, we are 7 and 2 (first in the west).
We are, at the half way point, 2 points ahead of Edmonton and 4 points ahead of Sask. and Calgary.
We are second in the league in points for and second in the league in points against.
We are 5 and 0 at home and 4 and 0 against division rivals.

This accomplished with a QB (Nichols) who was lamented by many to be a lower tier QB.

54% of our offensive plays come as a result of Andrew Harris' hands on the ball.

Now a great many are saying we can't win without Nichols and Streveler will not produce enough to keep wins rolling.

It is a strange world we live in.
My thought exactly.  I wouldn't say strange world, I would say strange group on this forum LOL. 

The start Strev, anti Nichols movement on here this and last season has been a little much to take. 

For me as long as we are competitive and the games are close and entertaining, then I will be happy. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: gordo on August 18, 2019, 05:01:26 AM
Glenn cannot sling anything right now...

Do tell. You know him personally? 



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 18, 2019, 05:22:43 AM
If you guys were in the Titanic, you would be saying things like the orchestra music on deck is a nice way to spend an evening, or. Oh look fresh ice on deck.

Just because you wish. Something, doesn't mean it is a fact.

In reality, Nichols is a mediocre QB.
Strevlor is a guy we signed two weeks before training camp last year.  Even the Bombers coaches were not impressed with him "initially"

Both guys are competitors, for sure.

However, just because you say so, doesn't make it so,
It remains to be seen, or did, whether Nichols can come through, in the crunch.  He has repeatedly failed to make the" big play" when we needed it.  He doesn't. Have the athletic ability, to get out of trouble and create. If scripted and all goes well, he can deliver.

Strevler is awesome with the read option option and is a big strong boy. He is going to,score a TD from mid field, at least once this year on those QB  sneaks  In reality, where would he rank amongst the top 18 QBs in the league?

Well as a sneak guy,,I would rank him # 1
As an every down QB????......you tell me.

We have all seen the duds Winnipeg has had at QB.  We are so relieved Nichols could get a few first downs, we have been wishful thinking the guy is real good.

Some,of us, appreciate the reality of the real world, and have had our doubts about our QBs.

Strevelor, is exciting, fun, enthusiastic, and gets me out of my seat....however at this point, I am not convinced he can progress to a third or fourth read.  And maybe not many can.  I would be happy if he can make the first two and then takes off.  At least we would not be sacked.

Is that a long term plan for successfully winning a lot of games? I don't think so.
If Nichols is out, the team needs to bring in a guy who is a legit passing. QB.

Again! Who?

The easiest and obvious scenario, is one of Torontos guys.  They can't keep all three.  And they could trade one for a useable part or a draft choice.

But yeah, if Nichols is out longer than a couple games, we need someone else as a back up anyway.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: ModAdmin on August 18, 2019, 05:37:54 AM
If you guys were in the Titanic, you would be saying things like the orchestra music on deck is a nice way to spend an evening, or. Oh look fresh ice on deck.

Just because you wish. Something, doesn't mean it is a fact.

In reality, Nichols is a mediocre QB.
Strevlor is a guy we signed two weeks before training camp last year.  Even the Bombers coaches were not impressed with him initially"

Both guys are competitors, for sure.

However, just because you say so, doesn't make it so,
It remains to be seen, or did, whether Nichols can come through, in the crunch.  He has repeatedly failed to make the" big play" when we needed it.  He doesn't. Have the athletic ability, to get out of trouble and. Create. If scripted and all goes well, he can deliver.

Strvler is awesome with the read option option and is a big strong boy. He is. Going to,score a TD from mid field, at least once. This year on those QB  sneaks  In reality, where would he rank amongst the top 18 QBs in the league?

Well as a sneak guy,,I would rank him # 1
As an every down QB????......you tell me.

We have all seen the duds Winnioeg has had at QB.  We are so received Nichols could. Get a few first downs, we have been wishful thinking the guy is real good.m

Some,of us, appreciate the reality of the real world, and have had our doubts about our QBs.

Strevelor, is exciting, fun, enthusiastic, and gets me out of my seat....however at this point, I am not convinced he can progress to a third or fourth read.  And maybe not many can.  I would be happy if he can make the first two and then takes off.  At least we would not be sacked.

Is that a long term plan for successfully winning a lot of games? I don't think so.
If Nichols is out, the team needs to bring in a guy who is a legit passing. QB.

Again! Who?

The easiest and obvious scenario, is one of Torontos guys.  They can't keep all three.  And they could trade one for a useable part or a draft choice.

But yeah, if Nichols is out longer than a couple games, we need someone else as a back up anyway.

- Beside your sometimes off the wall theories you could, after reviewing the above, help people to better understand what you saying. (Example - "He (Nichols) has repeatedly failed to make the" big play" when we needed it."  Simplistic statement that is not factual.

- Some of your statements make no sense.  (Example - "We are so received Nichols could. Get a few first downs, we have been wishful thinking the guy is real good.m")

- Some of poorly punctuated making them hard to read.

- Misspelling prevails throughout.

Take time to read and correct your posts before hitting the "Post" option.

I don't like mentioning this here but it seems to continue without abatement.  It's in your hands.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 18, 2019, 05:52:40 AM
Yeah sorry.,I am all thumbs on this iPad.
I apologize! Just lazy!
My apologies!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2019, 09:50:48 AM
Now a great many are saying we can't win without Nichols and Streveler will not produce enough to keep wins rolling.

Oh I'm sure we still win, we'll just win less than we would have.  And that's the best case scenario, really.  If we win 3 of the next 6 games with Strev, I'll be overjoyed.  2 I'll be satisfied.  1 win only and it'll be clear that we can happily let Strev go in the off-season.  0 wins and we hit the panic button and call up BC for a Reilly rental to win the cup.  Or find a way to get Franklin on the cheap.

It's weird how so many were pumping Strev's tires and saying bench Nichols after every other game this year.  Now most have gone quiet.  Now the Nichols doubters are doubtin' on Strev!  Can't win with these people!  ;D  I guess they're worried because now they could actually be proven wrong.

I say forget about the pretty lame passing Strev has done a couple of times this year.  I choose to believe that Strev is as good as he was in his starts in '18, plus a little (a lot?) better from all the prep and rep and mentoring and watching he's gotten under his belt in the year since then.  If he's not, then that means he's incompetent and incapable of progressing into a starter.

The only question for me is: has he progressed a ton super fast the way the future superstars do?  Or has he barely improved at all?  That is the key question that I'd give 50/50 odds on.  And anyone writing him off as of this moment as incapable of getting at least 50% of the wins Nichols would have, is just guessing, and pessimistically at that.

As the fans, we should get behind Strev as the clear #1 for 5 games, let him make mistakes as well as big plays, and hope the team does the same.  Evaluate him after that.  I think, while he may throw up a bucket more INTs than Nichols, he should also allow us to get in the EZ more often.

A win against EDM would go a long way towards answering some of these questions.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bigbuff33 on August 18, 2019, 11:48:27 AM
My biggest concern is having a vet around in the event, as scary as it sounds, something were to happen to Strev...
McGwire has a great college resume...but has only been in this system for a few months...

We need a vet around should something happen to Strev


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 18, 2019, 11:54:21 AM
We'll be fine..sure Strev will have some ups and downs but he gives us the best chance of any guy brought in..or on roster now..he's been here 2 years..he knows the offence so it's on Lapo to tailor it more to him now.

He needs to use roll outs..move pocket..switch up launch points as that's where Strev excels..he's not a pocket guy right now..eventually yeah..but now you want him out in space as that run threat will help him in passing game. Also Lapo has to spread it around and use all our weapons..misdirection stuff. Do this we win more than lose


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 123James321 on August 18, 2019, 12:26:47 PM
I think strev has only looked worse because he has been on the sidelines. Once he is practicing as number 1 and getting way more reps in the games we will see his passing at least back to where it was before. Im actually very excited to see streveler. I was frustrated with nichols during the ontario trip... saw improvement during calgray and i was fairly happy with his play against BC before he got hurt... i still think streveler can get it done though


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Big Daddy on August 18, 2019, 12:32:37 PM
We'll be fine..sure Strev will have some ups and downs but he gives us the best chance of any guy brought in..or on roster now..he's been here 2 years..he knows the offence so it's on Lapo to tailor it more to him now.

He needs to use roll outs..move pocket..switch up launch points as that's where Strev excels..he's not a pocket guy right now..eventually yeah..but now you want him out in space as that run threat will help him in passing game. Also Lapo has to spread it around and use all our weapons..misdirection stuff. Do this we win more than lose

I agree - Streveler gives us a better chance than anyone we could bring in, short of trading for a starter which obviously isn't going to happen.  He has been here and been in this offense, and now will get the chance to run the #1 offense in practice.

Seeing what LaPo has been capable of doing to tailor game plans in the past, I think he will be able to work with what he's got at qb now.  

Wonder who we bring in, though - we still need a 3rd stringer to dress.  Too bad Bennett is with sask now, he'd be a natural 3rd to bring in.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: buckzumhoff on August 18, 2019, 12:36:41 PM
Streveller back will help the receivers seeing the ball thrown deep more . Nichols has been throwing too many short passes.  Like to see Augustin in there and go with 2 backs


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 18, 2019, 01:06:53 PM
We've been winning games without having 250 - 300 + yards passing. Defense and ST's have helped win games as well as our run game with A. Harris.

So Streveler doesn't need to start racking up big passing yards. He needs to be a game manager in our system which is working for the team. Mostly he just need to keep mistakes / turnovers down and do what Nichols has been doing. A few successful deep shots and long time consuming drives with a ball control passing and run game.

The initial concern is needing to do it against Edmonton and then Regina.

I guess we're going to find out since we aren't going to find a new starting vet QB in the next week.

I doubt BC is going to trade Reilly and I'm not sure we can afford the balance of his 2019 contract. He probably had a big up front payment but there is still a 1/2 season balance. In any case I don't like the idea of giving them all our top 2020 draft choices.  Many of our Canadians are potential free agents.

Finding a # 3 QB is easy but that's just a place holder / development guy.

Finding a good # 2 QB is not going to be easy but might be possible. Perhaps a QB that needs a change of scenery but the only teams with numbers of QB's are Toronto and Montreal.

Most choices are not great options.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 18, 2019, 01:12:58 PM
So, we are 7 and 2 (first in the west).
We are, at the half way point, 2 points ahead of Edmonton and 4 points ahead of Sask. and Calgary.
We are second in the league in points for and second in the league in points against.
We are 5 and 0 at home and 4 and 0 against division rivals.

This accomplished with a QB (Nichols) who was lamented by many to be a lower tier QB.

54% of our offensive plays come as a result of Andrew Harris' hands on the ball.

Now a great many are saying we can't win without Nichols and Streveler will not produce enough to keep wins rolling.

It is a strange world we live in.
Your talking about the past.
No one expects us to go 7-2 in the second half of the season.
We played the 3 worst teams in the league twice each for 5 of our 7 wins. We don't play them again.
We played 3 good teams (+.500), 2 of them with their backup QB's for most or all of the game. Now we're the good team with their backup QB in.
I doubt we maintain the #2 points for with our backup QB in and assuming Streveler throws a few more picks the D will have a hard time keeping their ranking too.

Nichols and Streveler have different strengths and weaknesses. The sooner we modify the offence to match Streveler's strengths the better chance we have of racking up wins. DC's will now load the box and make Streveler beat them with his arm. That will also limit Harris' running.

Yes, a lot of folks are saying we can't win with Streveler. They are the same folks who've been saying it all along. The ones who said we couldn't replace Nichols because Streveler wasn't ready yet. He needs to get 'ready' quickly.

Considering the fact that we're playing better teams with our backup QB I'm guessing we go about 5-4 or 4-5 in the back 9.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ducky on August 18, 2019, 01:30:07 PM
Looking at his college stats, Streveler seemingly passes better than I think he does (I find his mechanics very odd and I question his vision).  Over 4,000 yards in his final year and 65% completion shows he can be a passer.  18 interceptions in 33 games is a bit of a concern. 
2014   Minn    5   4   11   36.4   37   3.4   1   1   0   0
2015   Minn    5   0   0   -   0   -   0   0   0   0
2016   SouDak    10   164   273   60.1   1947   7.1   22   9   17   86
2017   SouDak    13   316   481   65.7   4134   8.6   32   8   23   130
Career       33   484   765   63.3   6118   8.0   55   18   40   216


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 18, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
how much does a 3rd stringer make?

Maybe $65 - $85 max.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BBRT on August 18, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
Your talking about the past.
No one expects us to go 7-2 in the second half of the season.
We played the 3 worst teams in the league twice each for 5 of our 7 wins. We don't play them again.
We played 3 good teams (+.500), 2 of them with their backup QB's for most or all of the game. Now we're the good team with their backup QB in.
I doubt we maintain the #2 points for with our backup QB in and assuming Streveler throws a few more picks the D will have a hard time keeping their ranking too.

Nichols and Streveler have different strengths and weaknesses. The sooner we modify the offence to match Streveler's strengths the better chance we have of racking up wins. DC's will now load the box and make Streveler beat them with his arm. That will also limit Harris' running.

Yes, a lot of folks are saying we can't win with Streveler. They are the same folks who've been saying it all along. The ones who said we couldn't replace Nichols because Streveler wasn't ready yet. He needs to get 'ready' quickly.

Considering the fact that we're playing better teams with our backup QB I'm guessing we go about 5-4 or 4-5 in the back 9.


I agree with your assessment - I think we go 5-4 or 4-5 which should hopefully give us a playoff game. All depends on what happens with the other teams. In my mind Edmonton is the team to beat. I think Calgary will slide and the Riders will play up and down ball. So I see either a playoff game or cross over depending on if or when MN comes back this year. I think we can win with Streveler if we game plan correctly.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2019, 02:08:45 PM
We've been winning games without having 250 - 300 + yards passing. Defense and ST's have helped win games as well as our run game with A. Harris.

So Streveler doesn't need to start racking up big passing yards. He needs to be a game manager in our system which is working for the team. Mostly he just need to keep mistakes / turnovers down and do what Nichols has been doing. A few successful deep shots and long time consuming drives with a ball control passing and run game.

The initial concern is needing to do it against Edmonton and then Regina.

I guess we're going to find out since we aren't going to find a new starting vet QB in the next week.

I doubt BC is going to trade Reilly and I'm not sure we can afford the balance of his 2019 contract. He probably had a big up front payment but there is still a 1/2 season balance. In any case I don't like the idea of giving them all our top 2020 draft choices.  Many of our Canadians are potential free agents.

Finding a # 3 QB is easy but that's just a place holder / development guy.

Finding a good # 2 QB is not going to be easy but might be possible. Perhaps a QB that needs a change of scenery but the only teams with numbers of QB's are Toronto and Montreal.

Most choices are not great options.

To win with Streveler at the controls I think the D is going to have to allow less than 20 pts. per game as offensive TD's are going to be hard to produce.  I'm not expecting to see a miracle transition in Streveler's game to that of a semi-competent passing QB all of a sudden (even though it is needed), he will continue on as a scrambling QB who occasional shoots off a deep pass with the hope the receiver can make a play on the ball for a completion.  He is unlikely to produce 80 yd. drives in this method with any regularity as D's will have an easy time of containing him and Harris and shutting them down without a serious passing attack after a few first downs.  Hopefully LaPo can help out with a scheme better suited to Strev's talents, but at this point he finds himself in Frankenstein's shoes, dealing with the one dimensional monster he and Buck created.

As TB pointed out the Bombers second half schedule isn't as easy as the first half was and holding teams like the Esks., Riders, Stamps and even the Als to under 20 will be a difficult task to achieve.  Hoping for a .500 record under Streveler, but not really expecting it.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2019, 02:47:55 PM
As usual a number of members on here have no faith in any of our QBs. Many of you may not live in Winnipeg currently but you sure a heck sound like the cynical types running around here. I suppose if we had Tom Brady at the controls you guys would down trodden him as well.

The point is there is no pleasing the save Eatons building self chainers types on here.

Blah blah blah he cannot throw the deep ball blah blah he is a game manager only blah blah he will never get us over the hump blah blah is has regressed (which I find ridiculous to read on here!) blah blah blah he cannot go through his reads....

But I have got to tell you it fells so good when our QBs outperform the low standards proclaimed on here and you come beg for forgiveness from Goldie (it has happened already a couple times this year with Nichols).

Cannot wait till it happens again when Streveler performs much better than some say on here.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Knocker42 on August 18, 2019, 03:07:16 PM
I sure hope all the posters who have high hopes for the team under Streveler are right. I really do, but I just cannot share the optimism.

I must admit that I do not have a football background, having played rugby many years ago, but as a 50 year Bomber season ticket holder I feel I have picked up enough basic understanding of the game to form an opinion.

Streveler has proven beyond doubt that he is adept at running with the ball and this can do nothing but complement the work of Andrew Harris and others.  So, the running game can continue to be a powerful weapon.  However other teams will do everything possible to counteract that and it will be interesting to see what wrinkles we can come up with to ensure that this part of the offence continues to be productive. I think it can.

Having watched Chris Streveler in games and at practice about once a week over the past season and a half, it is clear that he has a strong arm.  in unopposed drills, where he simply has to hit one pre-determined receiver, he does so with reasonable accuracy.  However, when the defensive players are added and it becomes more of a game-like situation where he has to find someone who has got open, he does not do well. In fact, I have seen very little or no improvement in this aspect of his game, despite a great number of repetitions.  That is what concerns me.  He still appears to be far too quick to give up on "the plan" and go to his ad-libs which, no doubt, worked well in college.  Not here!!  Needless to say, that does not mean that he cannot develop those parts of his game but the odds of it happening in the next month are not good.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: strange_brew69 on August 18, 2019, 03:18:10 PM
I think Streveler will do just fine. He needs to limit the stupid plays like his INT against BC and he needs to be prepared to eat the ball instead of being forced to pass.

He showed last year that he can chuck the ball. Give him a chance to show what he can do. I am sure with our arseanl of speedsters that he will keep teams on edge because he is a threat to run and he can definitely launch it down the field.

Not sure we need another QB unless Nichols is done for the year.

Lets have some faith peeps.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Horseman on August 18, 2019, 03:29:04 PM
Let's see how Strev does after a week of practicing with the #1 O/receivers before we decide he can't do it. He won't be a Nicholls, but he only has to manage the game and limit the turnovers.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
I think Streveler will do just fine. He needs to limit the stupid plays like his INT against BC and he needs to be prepared to eat the ball instead of being forced to pass.

He showed last year that he can chuck the ball. Give him a chance to show what he can do. I am sure with our arseanl of speedsters that he will keep teams on edge because he is a threat to run and he can definitely launch it down the field.

Not sure we need another QB unless Nichols is done for the year.

Lets have some faith peeps.

He also needs to lose the attitude that he is invincible to damage, many D players will be looking to take massive shots at him if he continues to challenge them physically and never looks to slide.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: RebusRankin on August 18, 2019, 03:59:07 PM
So I went back and looked at Streveler's 4 starts last season. Yeah, the 1-3 record is a concern but if you look at the stats

63 for 101 passing (62.4%) for 760 passing yards, 7 td passes and 2 interceptions.

32 rushing attempts for 259 yards (8.1 ypr) with three rushing tds.

So basically 190 yards passing a game and 65 yards rushing a game with roughly 3 tds scored per game.

30+56+17+24 so 127 points scored so 31.8 ppg and if you take out the Montreal domination, its still 71 points or 24 ppg.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 18, 2019, 04:24:09 PM
Looking at his college stats, Streveler seemingly passes better than I think he does (I find his mechanics very odd and I question his vision).  Over 4,000 yards in his final year and 65% completion shows he can be a passer.  18 interceptions in 33 games is a bit of a concern. 
2014   Minn    5   4   11   36.4   37   3.4   1   1   0   0
2015   Minn    5   0   0   -   0   -   0   0   0   0
2016   SouDak    10   164   273   60.1   1947   7.1   22   9   17   86
2017   SouDak    13   316   481   65.7   4134   8.6   32   8   23   130
Career       33   484   765   63.3   6118   8.0   55   18   40   216


Take college stats with a grain of salt. It's apples and oranges when compared to professional level football.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue72 on August 18, 2019, 05:01:21 PM
We just have to look back a couple game when our O went 2 and out play after play and the rest of the team picked up the slack. didn't we also win under Nichols when the O again didn't even score a TD, this is a team game and so Strev needs help from the rest of the players until he gets comfortable as a starter. Even Nichols didn't look good when he came back from his injury for a few games.
So as fans lets get together and help this kid out and you never know with the fans and players behind him he might surprise a few people, all QBs weren't starters right out of college. Strev will throw a couple poor balls but he is our starter for now and you never know maybe the future also.
Bryant also has to pick up his game as recently guys seem to going around him on the oline more then any other year.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 18, 2019, 05:23:41 PM
Take college stats with a grain of salt. It's apples and oranges when compared to professional level football.
I tend to agree as how many young upstart QBs have we had with impressive college stats only to end up as busts for us.   I'm hoping he can develop into a legitimate CFL starter and he now has an opportunity to prove his worth.   We'll know a lot more about him in the upcoming weeks.....one thing is apparent....his teammates love him


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PloenFan on August 18, 2019, 05:32:08 PM
Streveler and Wolitarsky appear to have some chemistry from their college days, and this seems to have carried forward to the WBB.
It Streveler can develop some chemistry with our other receivers, and our oline protects him, perhaps he can hold the fort until Nichols returns.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 05:49:55 PM
Streveler and Wolitarsky appear to have some chemistry from their college days, and this seems to have carried forward to the WBB.
It Streveler can develop some chemistry with our other receivers, and our oline protects him, perhaps he can hold the fort until Nichols returns.
Very good point and this starts Monday in practice as he will get 1st team reps.  A key to victory.  We will also have to work well with his offensive line.

Streveller back will help the receivers seeing the ball thrown deep more . Nichols has been throwing too many short passes.  Like to see Augustin in there and go with 2 backs

Nichols was throwing the ball fine deep, something he has proven over many years.  Strev has proved nothing.  Two back set, hard pass.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kkc60 on August 18, 2019, 06:18:39 PM
Two back set, hard pass.
Why? 2 back sets are good at times for Pass pro, plus with a mobile QB and Whitehead, 4 capable runners. Also, you can have plays where you essentially have 2 checkdown options. Also makes the screen game tougher on the defense


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2019, 06:28:12 PM
Why? 2 back sets are good at times for Pass pro, plus with a mobile QB and Whitehead, 4 capable runners. Also, you can have plays where you essentially have 2 checkdown options. Also makes the screen game tougher on the defense
Ok then why don?t you see more teams do it? Zero teams are employing that offensive set now.

One thing is for sure NO Defense would be ready for it.

Anyways this is on Lapo to take advantage of Strevelers talents. I think he can.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2019, 07:09:41 PM
Can anyone recall the names of the last RB team the Bombers lined up in the backfield together?  Roberts and Sellers is my wild-*** guess.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 18, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Can anyone recall the names of the last RB team the Bombers lined up in the backfield together?  Roberts and Sellers is my wild-*** guess.

Didn't we do a few plays with Flanders and Harris on the field together?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 18, 2019, 07:21:22 PM
I'm one of the don't think Streveler is ready crowd and I hope that I'm wrong. I just can't help thinking of that saying, be careful what you wish for it just might come true. He's going to get a big test Friday against the Edmonton defence. I'll say the same thing about Streveler that I say about any QB. Big passing yardage is nice but the only thing that matters is the won/lost record.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 18, 2019, 07:22:49 PM
Can anyone recall the names of the last RB team the Bombers lined up in the backfield together?  Roberts and Sellers is my wild-*** guess.
I believe that on a consistent basis you are right.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: northof30 on August 18, 2019, 08:07:24 PM
Streveler and Wolitarsky appear to have some chemistry from their college days, and this seems to have carried forward to the WBB.
It Streveler can develop some chemistry with our other receivers, and our oline protects him, perhaps he can hold the fort until Nichols returns.

If Streveler develops chemistry with all the receivers and gets o-line protection you basically have Tom Brady. I can't see that happening.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 18, 2019, 08:48:41 PM
If Streveler develops chemistry with all the receivers and gets o-line protection you basically have Tom Brady. I can't see that happening.

WOW!!!! Tom Brady? He has and never was much of a scrambler/runner.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 18, 2019, 09:02:29 PM
one of the things that I think Streveler has going for him is the relationship he has with the team... Matt and Chris got along really good, you would often see after a big play he would be looking over at Streveler and making hand gestures and smiling or whatever, but even the TSN people would mention it... also, he's a very 'high energy' and vocal team mate on the sideline... you often seeing him greeting both the offense or the defense have a good series, high five-ing and cheering them on...

what that mean? to me, it like he has always been on the first string, the players respect him and I think they will play hard for him... well you are probably thinking that they would anyway, but, at times you can tell an offense just isn't coming together when a back up comes in for a veteran that had been there for a while... and with the relationship that Matt and Chris has, a win for one is a win for the other in the eyes of the team...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 09:06:57 PM
If Streveler develops chemistry with all the receivers and gets o-line protection you basically have Tom Brady. I can't see that happening.
What a ridiculous statement and comparison. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 18, 2019, 09:19:33 PM
Didn't we do a few plays with Flanders and Harris on the field together?

Not really as a 2 RB set, Flanders was playing SB at that time and ran the ball occasionally.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kkc60 on August 18, 2019, 09:48:26 PM
Ok then why don?t you see more teams do it? Zero teams are employing that offensive set now.

One thing is for sure NO Defense would be ready for it.

Anyways this is on Lapo to take advantage of Strevelers talents. I think he can.
Teams do it. Again it's not common. But with the mobility of Streveler some 2 back sets could really open it up


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bustamente on August 18, 2019, 09:49:16 PM
2 backs sets ?, we better find a tight end to.  ;D


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on August 18, 2019, 09:51:52 PM
I think teams will force us to run more... as long as Harris can keep things going and we mix in plays with Strev running too then we can catch teams off guard... The problem is Edmonton's Defence is surprising good this year and their offence has been amazing with Harris.. we will need a lot of luck and some ingenuity to beat them this Friday but that's unlikely..


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 18, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
Teams know that Strevelers strength is the running game. He has to start beating them with the pass.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 10:42:22 PM
Teams know that Strevelers strength is the running game. He has to start beating them with the pass.

A balanced attack will be suit us.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
Teams do it. Again it's not common. But with the mobility of Streveler some 2 back sets could really open it up

Better have play action.  Harris and our best receivers out there.  Don't need two backs when Harris can do it all at an elite level.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: kkc60 on August 18, 2019, 11:04:58 PM
Better have play action.  Harris and our best receivers out there.  Don't need two backs when Harris can do it all at an elite level.
Issue with that is if Nichols is out long term, we cant afford to overwork Harris to the point playoffs role around and hes all nicked up


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 18, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
Issue with that is if Nichols is out long term, we cant afford to overwork Harris to the point playoffs role around and hes all nicked up

The team may not have a choice based on Nichols' status, though. Losing him for any period of time is costly and Harris' role only gets magnified now as a result.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 18, 2019, 11:32:29 PM
I agree unfortunately Harris is gonna need to be used as much as if not more minimum. Football gods help us he never gets nicked this year.

Really hope we hear something from the club tomorrow on Nichols.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2019, 12:38:04 AM
Issue with that is if Nichols is out long term, we cant afford to overwork Harris to the point playoffs role around and hes all nicked up
He is our best player on offense.  We will use him extensively.  He has shown the ability to take the workload, stay healthy and fight off injuries.  33 will dominate.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 19, 2019, 12:48:51 AM
I think regarding Nichols we'll hear he's day to day-meaning he misses a couple of games. He'll miss a couple of weeks-meaning he'll be on the 6 game IR. Or it'll be a few weeks-meaning that he's out for the season. The only other thing we'll hear is that it's an upper body injury.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 19, 2019, 12:49:29 AM
No good reason not to spell Harris with Augustine throughout the game instead of leaving him standing on the sidelines unused, he's dressed,  competent and ready to go.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bunker on August 19, 2019, 01:48:56 AM
No good reason not to spell Harris with Augustine throughout the game instead of leaving him standing on the sidelines unused, he's dressed,  competent and ready to go.
I agree. I thought Augustine looked good in garbage time last game. Harris wants to play every down, but the coaches need to reign him in a bit so he's fresh for the playoffs.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2019, 02:14:48 AM
Looking at his college stats, [...]  18 interceptions in 33 games is a bit of a concern

If Strev only gets 1 INT every 2 games, I'll be ecstatic!

But I have got to tell you it fells so good when our QBs outperform the low standards proclaimed on here and you come beg for forgiveness from Goldie (it has happened already a couple times this year with Nichols).

Hah!  Ya, the new rule is doubters must pay penance to Goldie when our QBs outperform!  Payment in the form of IGF beers?

I think Streveler will do just fine. He needs to limit the stupid plays like his INT against BC and he needs to be prepared to eat the ball instead of being forced to pass.

This.  I hope he's been watching Nichols on throwaways and sack-taking.  When it's a busted play or DL gets through early, you have to decide way sooner than he does that it's throwaway time.  Or just hug it and go fetal.

The good thing about Strev is I think he'll do a better job holding onto the ball when he does take sacks.  As long as he remembers to tuck it rather than bread-loaf it.

So I went back and looked at Streveler's 4 starts last season. Yeah, the 1-3 record is a concern but if you look at the stats
[...]
30+56+17+24 so 127 points scored so 31.8 ppg and if you take out the Montreal domination, its still 71 points or 24 ppg.

I haven't rewatched the games yet, but I do remember that we were remarkably competitive in all of the games and Strev did a great job for a green rookie thrust into a bad situation.  If our D was '19 good (not just '18 good) we probably win 2 more of those games.

If Arrrrbuckle and Flimsy Fajardo can look like all-stars coming off the bench, so can Strev.  Before this season started, everyone and their dog would have said Strev was far and away the best #2, and even Ridersfans were saying we had the best 1-2 QB team in the league.  I think there's a good chance Strev can light it up and make the Stumpy pirate and Flimsy one look average at best.

Bryant also has to pick up his game as recently guys seem to going around him on the oline more then any other year.

I'm nearly positive any drop-off in Bryant is because he's covering for a very weak Desjarlais (not his fault though as he's a raw rookie).  Bryant's been told to stay tight to him and help him out because otherwise it'll be turnstile city.  Even Speller needs Bryant to help him out, though not as much as Desj.

Ok then why don?t you see more teams do it? Zero teams are employing that offensive set now.

This weekend I saw at least one team doing dual back.  Who was it... OTT I think?  Don't remember.

2 backs sets ?, we better find a tight end to.  ;D

Hah!  Well, if we had had a tight end on that play Lemon dropped Nichols, we might not be in this awful predicament right now!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bunker on August 19, 2019, 02:22:03 AM


Hah!  Well, if we had had a tight end on that play Lemon dropped Nichols, we might not be in this awful predicament right now!


Where's Peter Dalla Riva when you need him? :)


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 19, 2019, 02:30:24 AM
I agree that we should spell off Harris occasionally with Augustine. I don't agree with going with a two back set. Teams know that we're going to try beating them with the run until Streveler can beat them with the pass.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: dd on August 19, 2019, 02:39:17 AM
Edmonton is going to load up the box and make Streveler throw the ball.   Nobody is going to fall  for the read option anymore, Streveler runs it everytime!! Teams will also be pounding him hard. I would be practicing my 3 step drop and quick hitting routes-slants, bubble screens etc to get the ball into space to our speedy receivers and let them run while everyone rushes the box to stop Strev


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomb squad on August 19, 2019, 03:08:23 AM
Edmonton is going to load up the box and make Streveler throw the ball.   Nobody is going to fall  for the read option anymore, Streveler runs it everytime!! Teams will also be pounding him hard. I would be practicing my 3 step drop and quick hitting routes-slants, bubble screens etc to get the ball into space to our speedy receivers and let them run while everyone rushes the box to stop Strev

Streveler will do a lot of running out of his drop, instead of checking down.  That will be the difference in this offence. Intermediate and deep throw attempts will be about the same. His completion % on those will be the big question.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 19, 2019, 03:14:04 AM
that's why Lapo needs to step up his game and put together a package that will allow them to run outside... using different formations and motion to help with lead blocking or to simply move a defender from one side of the field to the other... I think that if we try to just hammer it up the middle all night long we may run into trouble... even if you have to run Streveler out of the gun and put Harris in motion to set up the quick screen, which is basically an extension of the run... going vanilla and safe will make for a long evening for the Bombers, I believe...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2019, 03:22:23 AM
Yes, 66.  If we play Strev like SSK played Bridge in '18, we're totally screwed.  Can't just run him every other play (called or not), or they'll just spy him and that's that.  Misdirection (work on selling it boys!) like having Lucky come across left, fake to AH while spinning around, AH goes right draws the LBs, then short delay and Strev runs left behind Lucky (and others) blocking.

I hope the playbook gets filled with things like that!  Then mix it up who actually gets the ball... I'd give it to Strev only 10%.

And we have to pass.  Open games with a deep pass just like with Nichols.  Mess with their heads.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: ModAdmin on August 19, 2019, 03:24:20 AM
Edmonton will also be unsure what the Bombers will throw at them.  They will have to expect and try to deal with the unexpected at times.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 19, 2019, 03:36:18 AM
Streveler came in and started the first three games last year with no Pro experience.  We have a better team this year, a much better team.  

If McGuire is forced into the game for any reason, he will have had a lot more experience that Streveler did when he first came in.  

I have total faith on both QB's, and we will see soon enough what they can do...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 19, 2019, 04:44:09 AM
The real question is has Streveler progressed from last year. Also the OL is not as good at pass blocking this year.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: swansong on August 19, 2019, 05:46:39 AM
Also the OL is not as good at pass blocking this year.

They better step on it these next 3 week cuz Ed's front 4 is a handful and is leading the league in sacks with 30 and Sask is up next at 25. If the O-line can't give Chris time and he gets panicky things could go South in a hurry. But if LaPo is clever with his play calling we could make them pay for bringing the heat too much.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on August 19, 2019, 10:36:38 AM
Streveler was passing fine last year in his starts. I guess if you really want to knock him, he doesn't sit in the pocket and let things develop for long, but the guy has freakish scrambling ability so IMO that kind of offsets it. Like I said earlier, we were not relying on a complex high production passing for the first 9 weeks.

 I don't want to discredit Nichols and he did a very good with completions percentage and his turn-over ratio but he was also making the "easy" throws most of the time. His veteran experience added value and he used the outlet and out-of bounds instead of forcing things and most of the time that was good. Will Streveler do the same, seeing as he is only a 2nd year player probably not do it as good.

IMO Streveler has a lightning release and more arm strength than Nichols, he can scramble with the best we have seen in this league, he can be good. As long as he settles in and avoids most of the mental mistakes and takes what he is given, even if it is a 2 yard dump pass he will be fine.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Bombers9256 on August 19, 2019, 11:14:42 AM
Edmonton is going to load up the box and make Streveler throw the ball.   Nobody is going to fall  for the read option anymore, Streveler runs it everytime!! Teams will also be pounding him hard. I would be practicing my 3 step drop and quick hitting routes-slants, bubble screens etc to get the ball into space to our speedy receivers and let them run while everyone rushes the box to stop Strev
I think you?re exactly right. This will be a real test of Strev and also our defence. If we don?t get an A+ pass rush and have at least an average game from Strev we are in deep, deep trouble. I think Harris? quick release and accuracy will hurt our secondary the longer they?re on the field. I think our special teams will need to give us at least one huge play. I?m quite concerned about the next three games.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 19, 2019, 11:39:17 AM
We should be hearing from the Bombers today as to the status of Nichols....also they need to bring in one more QB and they appear to be a scarce commodity these days!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bigbuff33 on August 19, 2019, 11:51:55 AM
Like was said earlier...
Edmonton is going to take away the run and force Strev to pass
Strev needs to sit in the pocket a second or two longer to allow receivers to run their routes...
He can't be taking off right away...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 1chad on August 19, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
Like was said earlier...
Edmonton is going to take away the run and force Strev to pass
Strev needs to sit in the pocket a second or two longer to allow receivers to run their routes...
He can't be taking off right away...
Strev needs to let the play develop... he will step up I am sure.

Having said that, really hope Nichols is only bruised and will be good to go allot sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 19, 2019, 12:44:43 PM
If Lapo game plans for him to sit in pocket and be a pocket guy he should be shot..

With a guy like Streveler you want him rolling out..moving the pocket to make the threat of run even greater and cause the defense to spread themselves out.
To force him to sit in the pocket for majority of plays would totally eliminate the extra intangibles Strev's brings


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 19, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
Strv17 will be a different QB with a week of 1st team reps. Lapo will have a different game plan for him. A nice balanced O with 100 on the ground and about 160-200 in the air, with no turnovers could win this game.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: the paw on August 19, 2019, 01:25:28 PM
Strv17 will be a different QB with a week of 1st team reps. Lapo will have a different game plan for him. A nice balanced O with 100 on the ground and about 160-200 in the air, with no turnovers could win this game.

That's the goal for sure.  I'm not sure Streveler has the accuracy or decision-making skills developed to the point where he can play a clean game without turnovers yet.    He is going to have to throw away some balls, stand in the pocket on occasion, and not force any throws downfield.  He is going to have to be especially mindful of protecting the ball when the WBB are within field goal range, because we are going to need those field goals.

I think it's important to have realistic expectations for the kid.  If he can go .500 while Nichols is out, he will be doing well. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 19, 2019, 01:26:08 PM
Hooch I agree. Play action would seem to be a very good idea.  Three step drop and throw.  I would be worried if they go five or seven step and have him try and read.  Let's throw quick, and if the DBs don't back up,   Go downtown.  

The receivers have to make more plays.
At worst, Strev gains more experience..  


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2019, 01:28:13 PM
If Lapo game plans for him to sit in pocket and be a pocket guy he should be shot..

With a guy like Streveler you want him rolling out..moving the pocket to make the threat of run even greater and cause the defense to spread themselves out.
To force him to sit in the pocket for majority of plays would totally eliminate the extra intangibles Strev's brings

Absolutely. But at the same time... he needs to be able to sit in the pocket and make throws. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but he's not going to be an effective QB if all he can do is scramble, throw on the rollout and run. It's exactly why Brandon Bridge isn't in the league anymore. The intangibles are valuable but only if he can also sit back and make the throws. It's not like Matt Nichols is throwing for a lot of yards. All he has to do is toss for 175-250 yards per game and there really won't be a drop off. Providing he can limit the mistakes of course.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bigbuff33 on August 19, 2019, 02:19:43 PM
Looks like its going to be either Willy or Bridge...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 19, 2019, 02:29:01 PM
Streveler's ace in the hole is that he can run. He's not a pocket passer who scans the field and delivers the ball. Folks who expect him to sit in the pocket and take the hit to deliver the ball are out to lunch.

Against Edmonton, who has the best pass rush in the league, we don't want him taking an extra 2 or 3 seconds in the pocket. That's a recipe for disaster, getting hit a lot, turn overs, and maybe even an injury.

Quick hitters, slants, screens, draws and the QB running are what we need to do this week.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 19, 2019, 02:31:04 PM
Looks like its going to be either Willy or Bridge...

Please no to both. If they are looking that?s likely signs Nichols done for the season


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2019, 02:40:18 PM
Streveler's ace in the hole is that he can run. He's not a pocket passer who scans the field and delivers the ball. Folks who expect him to sit in the pocket and take the hit to deliver the ball are out to lunch.

Against Edmonton, who has the best pass rush in the league, we don't want him taking an extra 2 or 3 seconds in the pocket. That's a recipe for disaster, getting hit a lot, turn overs, and maybe even an injury.

Quick hitters, slants, screens, draws and the QB running are what we need to do this week.

That's also the game plan if we had Nichols back there too. And quick hitters, slants and screens are always done from the pocket. If he can't read a defense, at least partially, and throw the ball from the pocket we are screwed. His ace is the hole is only good if he can actually play the QB position. And in pro football that means you make passes from the pocket first, then you run and scramble and roll out and operate the rest of the offensive wrinkles. Edmonton's ends will be containing first and they'll be loading the box.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 19, 2019, 02:50:00 PM
Absolutely. But at the same time... he needs to be able to sit in the pocket and make throws. I'd be happy to be proven wrong but he's not going to be an effective QB if all he can do is scramble, throw on the rollout and run. It's exactly why Brandon Bridge isn't in the league anymore. The intangibles are valuable but only if he can also sit back and make the throws. It's not like Matt Nichols is throwing for a lot of yards. All he has to do is toss for 175-250 yards per game and there really won't be a drop off. Providing he can limit the mistakes of course.
For sure....some of it will/has to be from pocket...can't all be with a moving launch point...that being said if the ESK'S can't/don't adjust and it's working we best not try and be mr smary pants Lapo and try different stuff just to look like a genius.

I also expect/hope we do a lot of no huddle...Streveler thrives in this...and especially if we are pounding them with runs..and gassing the dline things will really open up


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 19, 2019, 03:10:26 PM
That's also the game plan if we had Nichols back there too. And quick hitters, slants and screens are always done from the pocket. If he can't read a defense, at least partially, and throw the ball from the pocket we are screwed. His ace is the hole is only good if he can actually play the QB position. And in pro football that means you make passes from the pocket first, then you run and scramble and roll out and operate the rest of the offensive wrinkles. Edmonton's ends will be containing first and they'll be loading the box.

Agree completely, the CFL hasn't seen a scrambling QB succeed since Doug Flutie and even he relied more on his arm than he did his legs, same goes for Reilly.  Defences are much more intelligent and disciplined now, they eliminate possibilities, exert pressure in key formations and have the patience to wait for the inevitable to happen. Johnny Manziel may have brought some entertainment value to the CFL but he couldn't sandlot his way to a single victory.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2019, 03:21:40 PM
Strv17 will be a different QB with a week of 1st team reps. Lapo will have a different game plan for him. A nice balanced O with 100 on the ground and about 160-200 in the air, with no turnovers could win this game.

Agree with a little help from  D and STs.  Just don't have more than 2 turnovers.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2019, 03:22:46 PM
Please no to both. If they are looking that?s likely signs Nichols done for the season
Also worried what they would cost.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 19, 2019, 03:27:07 PM
Their have been both pro and anti posters for each QB. QB's getting injured in the CFL is something to be expected as we've seen this season in particular.

Regardless of which QB anyone wanted or didn't want, we're now in a situation to see how well we've prepared for injury at the QB position. That comes down to initial scouting and coaching development behind that is practice.

It's difficult for us out of town fans to really evaluate back ups from very limited regular season opportunities. Getting to go to practice might help but even that is not always the best indicator.

If Streveler starts he'll be getting 1st team reps and a game plan specifically suited to him. I'd expect him to start off a little slow and cautiously.

Ideally he gets some decent field position early created by either good ST plays of defensive stops.

Edmonton is going to key on A. Harris and our run game. We know that so Lapo needs to be a little less predictable to help Streveler.

Fingers are crossed and hoping for big games from ST and defense to level the playing field losing our starting QB.

We can win with our # 2 QB is we limit mistakes. 1st place is still on the line in this game.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 19, 2019, 03:29:22 PM
Strv17 will be a different QB with a week of 1st team reps. Lapo will have a different game plan for him. A nice balanced O with 100 on the ground and about 160-200 in the air, with no turnovers could win this game.

If Edmonton loads 8 in the box (as Doug Brown suggested they should) and forces Sreveller to throw the ball consistently, then I am not so convinced that WPG can pull off the win.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Norm W on August 19, 2019, 03:32:08 PM

 If they are looking that's likely signs Nichols done for the season


While it's still possible its more probable that they are simply looking for somebody with CFL experience in the event Streveler goes down. Should that happen the Bombers would be left with only one option, a 3rd string guy who they like, but a guy with zero time on the CFL field with live bullets flying.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 19, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
While it's still possible its more probable that they are simply looking for somebody with CFL experience in the event Streveler goes down. Should that happen the Bombers would be left with only one option, a 3rd string guy who they like, but a guy with zero time on the CFL field with live bullets flying.

Toronto will have to release some of their QBs...they have 5.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 19, 2019, 03:49:49 PM
I bet everyone was is refreshing the page today for updates!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 19, 2019, 03:51:26 PM
Toronto will have to release some of their QBs...they have 5.

It's going to depend when or if they take Collaros or Franklin off the 6 game IR. Their season is in the tank the same as the Lions. An eastern team is going to need to finish in 1st or 2nd due to a very probable crossover once again.

Anybody remember which QB's are in final seasons of their deals? Both Franklin and MBT are in year 2 with the Argos. Collaros might have only signed a 1 year deal?

O'Connor doesn't have any experience but I'm not expecting to acquire a vet CFL QB that's going to help. At least O'Connor might be worth a look as a development QB. He played pretty well at UBC and he's a NI to boot.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 19, 2019, 03:52:30 PM
I bet everyone was is refreshing the page today for updates!
yep....why are they waiting so long to make an announcement.....I'm pretty sure the Esks are game planning for Streveler after it became known they approached Glenn....so why the big silence?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 19, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
Collaros is a one year deal but stay away.

Make a trade for Franklin as he is the odd man out by Sept. veteran cutdown day.

Brandon Bridge is the logical, low cost signing that has CFL experience.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 19, 2019, 03:56:06 PM
Any QB in the league active/retired will tell you a guy like Strev or any athletic QB must develop their passing/pocket game or their career will be short lived. Unfortunately that takes time for most QBs and some get it before others. But what we do know about DCs in any league is they have figured  out guys  like Strev and rookie QBs generally,  in spying, loading the front end, stunts, blitzes - pressure D -  and the Eskies have the best front four and the best overall D in the league at 164 PA. Thankfully Bombers are #2 at 171 so whatever deficiencies they exploit in Strev our D should be able to meet the challenge.

But what I saw with Strev and thought it would be addressed is that while his hyperactivity and adrenalin is sky high what we need from him is to control his instincts and act like a QB in control. The exhibition season and things I've seen this season haven't encouraged me which is why they took a guy like McGuire over Bennett who though possessing great athletic abilites is basically a clone of Strev. In McGuire they see a guy who is calmer in the huddle and appears to have more comfort in the pocket. But he's unproven and now it's up to Strev to be in control and learn how to manage from the pocket or his career will derail and  he will be left to being a short yardage QB with the occasional run option. I see people advocating for his strengths and Lapolice should fashion his O accordingly, but those strengths, running primarily, will not develop his game. Either he can develop as a whole QB or he will remain a Tebow like QB. I believe Lapo wants to develop his game, is not confidant in it, but will now put Strev's feet to the fire to grow up or step aside because McGuire is next up to bat.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 19, 2019, 03:59:30 PM
Any QB in the league active/retired will tell you a guy like Strev or any athletic QB must develop their passing/pocket game or their career will be short lived. Unfortunately that takes time for most QBs and some get it before others. But what we do know about DCs in any league is they have figured  out guys  like Strev and rookie QBs generally,  in spying, loading the front end, stunts, blitzes - pressure D -  and the Eskies have the best front four and the best overall D in the league at 164 PA. Thankfully Bombers are #2 at 171 so whatever deficiencies they exploit in Strev our D should be able to meet the challenge.

But what I saw with Strev and thought it would be addressed is that while his hyperactivity and adrenalin is sky high what we need from him is to control his instincts and act like a QB in control. The exhibition season and things I've seen this season haven't encouraged me which is why they took a guy like McGuire over Bennett who though possessing great athletic abilites is basically a clone of Strev. In McGuire they see a guy who is calmer in the huddle and appears to have more comfort in the pocket. But he's unproven and now it's up to Strev to be in control and learn how to manage from the pocket or his career will derail and  he will be left to being a short yardage QB with the occasional run option. I see people advocating for his strengths and Lapolice should fashion his O accordingly, but those strengths, running primarily, will not develop his game. Either he can develop as a whole QB or he will remain a Tebow like QB. I believe Lapo wants to develop his game, is not confidant in it, but will now put Strev's feet to the fire to grow up or step aside because McGuire is next up to bat.



Bingo!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 19, 2019, 04:15:51 PM
This is Strv17 chance to show what he has learned about the CFL. Mite not be the best D to be going up against in your first start of the season, but Strv17 works hard at practice, and has Matt to help him, and he will be getting 1st. team reps.

 I would be okay with Brandon Bridge. Was surprised to see he wasn't on any teams roster.  He has CFL experience, he has a good arm, and he can run.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 19, 2019, 04:22:33 PM
Saw tweets this morning that Streveler is leading the number 1 offence today. MOS doesn't usually give media briefings until after practice, so it's not a surprise that there's been nothing from the team.

No 6-game IR announcement yet.

No QB signing announcement yet.

Those may be waiting until MOS has a chance to address the media after practice.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 19, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB
Matt Nichols is on the field watching practice.  Arm hanging loose at his side. Which does not mean the injury is any less serious. Oshea will share more after practice.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Norm W on August 19, 2019, 04:27:48 PM
...and add to that the reporting from 3downnation

https://3downnation.com/2019/08/19/bombers-qb-matt-nichols-non-participant-at-practice-but-without-a-sling/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/08/19/bombers-qb-matt-nichols-non-participant-at-practice-but-without-a-sling/)

Intrigue and mystery from the Bomber front office! No surprise... expect the word to be, "day to day"... He'll go to the one game on Thursday.  :P


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 19, 2019, 04:29:04 PM
Bob Irving @BobIrvingCJOB
Matt Nichols is on the field watching practice.  Arm hanging loose at his side. Which does not mean the injury is any less serious. Oshea will share more after practice.

What does arm hanging loose really mean? The fact it?s not in a sling could be encouraging could it not?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 19, 2019, 04:32:45 PM
What does arm hanging loose really mean? The fact it?s not in a sling could be encouraging could it not?

With stretched or even torn ligaments in the shoulder depending on severity of course would only really need a shoulder brace and not necessary to have more. You wouldn't be able to see that brace depending on what he's wearing but that's only speculation about the shoulder. Could be something else unrelated to the shoulder.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomb squad on August 19, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
Any QB in the league active/retired will tell you a guy like Strev or any athletic QB must develop their passing/pocket game or their career will be short lived. Unfortunately that takes time for most QBs and some get it before others. But what we do know about DCs in any league is they have figured  out guys  like Strev and rookie QBs generally,  in spying, loading the front end, stunts, blitzes - pressure D -  and the Eskies have the best front four and the best overall D in the league at 164 PA. Thankfully Bombers are #2 at 171 so whatever deficiencies they exploit in Strev our D should be able to meet the challenge.

But what I saw with Strev and thought it would be addressed is that while his hyperactivity and adrenalin is sky high what we need from him is to control his instincts and act like a QB in control. The exhibition season and things I've seen this season haven't encouraged me which is why they took a guy like McGuire over Bennett who though possessing great athletic abilites is basically a clone of Strev. In McGuire they see a guy who is calmer in the huddle and appears to have more comfort in the pocket. But he's unproven and now it's up to Strev to be in control and learn how to manage from the pocket or his career will derail and  he will be left to being a short yardage QB with the occasional run option. I see people advocating for his strengths and Lapolice should fashion his O accordingly, but those strengths, running primarily, will not develop his game. Either he can develop as a whole QB or he will remain a Tebow like QB. I believe Lapo wants to develop his game, is not confidant in it, but will now put Strev's feet to the fire to grow up or step aside because McGuire is next up to bat.


You have to pass the ball in pro football. He will develop his passing skills if he's quarterbacking games. But you do have to utilize his running ability. We haven't seen a qb that can run like he can for quite some time in the CFL. We have something special here. I would say you utilize it as much as possible if you want to win games.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 19, 2019, 04:42:53 PM
With stretched or even torn ligaments in the shoulder depending on severity of course would only really need a shoulder brace and not necessary to have more. You wouldn't be able to see that brace depending on what he's wearing but that's only speculation about the shoulder. Could be something else unrelated to the shoulder.

Or all the nerve endings have been severed and the arm is basically a dead entity. They are just waiting for the amputation to be scheduled because the bone saw is out for sharpening.

(Not plausible, but possible)


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Norm W on August 19, 2019, 04:46:09 PM
You wouldn't be able to see that brace depending on what he's wearing but that's only speculation about the shoulder.

He's wearing a blue sleeveless "wife beater" t-shirt. Its not hiding anything...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 19, 2019, 04:47:34 PM
Or all the nerve endings have been severed and the arm is basically a dead entity. They are just waiting for the amputation to be scheduled because the bone saw is out for sharpening.

(Not plausible, but possible)

This is what I'm thinking as well. With no throwing arm, we will have to 6 game him, but still a good chance it grows back in time for playoffs. Whether his newly grown arm is in game shape or not is the real question here. Time will tell...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 19, 2019, 04:49:42 PM
This is what I'm thinking as well. With no throwing arm, we will have 6 game him, but still a good chance it grows back in time for playoffs. Whether his newly grown arm is in game shape or not is the real question here. Time will tell...

It can be really hit-and-miss with the re-grows.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on August 19, 2019, 04:51:32 PM
It can be really hit-and-miss with the re-grows.

A good fertilizer works best.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: wpg#1 on August 19, 2019, 04:51:54 PM
Or all the nerve endings have been severed and the arm is basically a dead entity. They are just waiting for the amputation to be scheduled because the bone saw is out for sharpening.

(Not plausible, but possible)

 :D


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 19, 2019, 04:53:12 PM
Hey if the 6 million Dollar man can get a bionic arm 30 years ago!! Science has come a lot further since then.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
I'm hopeful that no sling and modest arm movement is a good sign even if he's gone for a bit. Not sure if that's actually true, but I will take it as good news until further notice.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Horseman on August 19, 2019, 05:08:50 PM
A good fertilizer works best.

I hear Miracle Grow is good.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 19, 2019, 05:12:51 PM
From Jeff Hamilton

Matt Nichols is looking at weeks before he's back playing. #Bombers are looking at various options for rehab, with hope of a return asap. He's played through serious injury before but with plenty of season left, and w/ team at 7-2, want to be sure he'll be ready down the stretch.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 19, 2019, 05:15:04 PM
From Jeff Hamilton

Matt Nichols is looking at weeks before he's back playing. #Bombers are looking at various options for rehab, with hope of a return asap. He's played through serious injury before but with plenty of season left, and w/ team at 7-2, want to be sure he'll be ready down the stretch.

So the bone saw and some juiced-up Miracle Grow will not be required.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: ModAdmin on August 19, 2019, 05:29:05 PM
Ed Tait
@EdTaitWFC
1m
Matt Nichols will be placed on 6-game injured list and re-evaluated in 4-6 weeks. #Bombers also looking for third QB, likely to be brought in next week, according to Mike O'Shea


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 19, 2019, 05:29:27 PM
Matt Nichols will go on the 6-game injured list and be evaluated over that period. Mike O'Shea expects him to be ready to play in 4-6 weeks. #Bombers #CFL

From ted wyman


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Bombers9256 on August 19, 2019, 05:35:38 PM
Matt Nichols will go on the 6-game injured list and be evaluated over that period. Mike O'Shea expects him to be ready to play in 4-6 weeks. #Bombers #CFL

From ted wyman
Not the worst news. Edm would be a tough game anyway, and we almost never win LDC anyway. Then Banjo Bowl and bye, followed by Mtl and Ham. If he?s gone for all those games I think we could go 3-2 or 2-3. Not the worst thing ever.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 19, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Mike O'Shea expects him to be ready to play in 4-6 weeks... Of course he does.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on August 19, 2019, 05:41:59 PM
Matt Nichols will go on the 6-game injured list and be evaluated over that period. Mike O'Shea expects him to be ready to play in 4-6 weeks. #Bombers #CFL

From ted wyman

At the end of this we can be anywhere from "Wow Strev is good" to "Hope we make the crossover".  This sucks


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 19, 2019, 05:44:13 PM
Mike O'Shea expects him to be ready to play in 4-6 weeks... Of course he does.

This 4-6 weeks tells us zero in how the Bombers handle injury news/updates. Re evaluate him after 6 games means they leave door open to put him right back on the IL. Until 6 weeks comes and he?s throwing a football, I think he will be out longer.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 19, 2019, 05:46:35 PM
I have the solution! I'm going to pick a lot of Edmonton players for my fantasy this week...then for sure, they will not produce. Maybe even take the Edmonton D!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Darwinismyhomeboy on August 19, 2019, 05:54:07 PM
I have the solution! I'm going to pick a lot of Edmonton players for my fantasy this week...then for sure, they will not produce. Maybe even take the Edmonton D!

That'll do it.  Way to take one for the team.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 19, 2019, 05:58:07 PM
Well let's hope that they don't try to bring in back too early, for his sake and the team's... in 6 games we'll know what we will be playing for and there is no reason to risk Matt's health or the team's chance by rushing him... that is saying though either we are 'good' in the playoff, in which case should mean that Streveler did alright, or, it's over and it doesn't matter anyway...

I had a shoulder injury that to this day still causes me problems... while I understand that it's doubtful that we have the same type of energy, just stating that you put a lot of torque on an arm/shoulder doing things like throwing, swinging, lifting, etc... and rehab sucked as well...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: ModAdmin on August 19, 2019, 05:59:56 PM
Ed Tait
@EdTaitWFC

31m
Matt Nichols will be placed on 6-game injured list and re-evaluated in 4-6 weeks. #Bombers also looking for third QB, likely to be brought in next week, according to Mike O'Shea


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
At the end of this we can be anywhere from "Wow Strev is good" to "Hope we make the crossover".  This sucks
nah it IS not that bad with the cross over possibility.

4-6 weeks is pretty much the best we could hope for and what most of us pretty much expected. Point is he will be back at near 100% well before the playoffs and that is great to hear.

In Streveler I believe in.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 19, 2019, 06:03:51 PM
tasty cap savings come free for NFL morsels...me like
Strev can just be average at best and we can go most likely 4 and 2 in those 6...3 and 3 at worst...book it


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2019, 06:04:56 PM
tasty cap savings come free for NFL morsels...me like
Strev can just be average at best and we can go most likely 4 and 2 in those 6...3 and 3 at worst...book it
Where do I sign?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 19, 2019, 06:05:04 PM
The point is we don't have any idea if Nichols will be back in 4-6 weeks. We don't even know what the injury is, MOS doesn't tell the press anything, and he always expects players to be back before they actually are.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 19, 2019, 06:07:30 PM
nah it IS not that bad with the cross over possibility.

4-6 weeks is pretty much the best we could hope for and what most of us pretty much expected. Point is he will be back at near 100% well before the playoffs and that is great to hear.

In Streveler I believe in.

We have to be realistic, they will evaluate him in 4-6 weeks, that does not mean he will be back in that time frame. They have stated 4-6 weeks and will be evaluated. They have NOT said will only be out 4-6 weeks. I think Bombers suspect could be longer and that?s why the term evaluate was used for that tome frame.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2019, 06:08:50 PM
We have to be realistic, they will evaluate him in 4-6 weeks, that does not mean he will be back in that time frame. They have stated 4-6 weeks and will be evaluated. They have NOT said will only be out 4-6 weeks. I think Bombers suspect could be longer and that?s why the term evaluate was used for that tome frame.
Potatoe Patatoe :P


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 19, 2019, 06:13:18 PM
The point is we don't have any idea if Nichols will be back in 4-6 weeks. We don't even know what the injury is, MOS doesn't tell the press anything, and he always expects players to be back before they actually are.

yup - not surprised this is the message...didn't expect anything different...we all know its something with his throwing arm/shoulder.  I suspect Drs don't even know how long it will be even knowing the details about the injury.  I can only suspect the risk is going to be coming back too soon and re-aggravating whatever is wrong.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 19, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
6 game IR to be reevaluated in 4-6 weeks in O'Shea speak means he's going to be out much much longer. Exactly in line with what I was told and posted here Saturday. MRI and second opinion didn't seem to change the prognosis much.

If the MRI is scheduled for Monday, then certainly you are trolling...and maybe should be banned?

Hey Donny my info was pretty mich bang on. Perhaps you should be banned for trolling and derailing the convesration again? LOL!!!1


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 19, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
MOS has stated as well today that Nichols will be out ATLEAST 4-6 games. That sounds like leaving door wide open to announce later on longer then the reported 4-6 weeks. I personally think it?s season ending and why they are looking for a veteran QB


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2019, 06:23:10 PM
Well he is out for the LDC and the BB so that sucks but we can beat Regina with this team and Streveler at the controls.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 19, 2019, 06:45:18 PM
6 game IR to be reevaluated in 4-6 weeks in O'Shea speak means he's going to be out much much longer. Exactly in line with what I was told and posted here Saturday. MRI and second opinion didn't seem to change the prognosis much.

Hey Donny my info was pretty mich bang on. Perhaps you should be banned for trolling and derailing the convesration again? LOL!!!1

This is what you said:

I'm hearing ***early indications*** are Nicols is out for the season, but the team is seeking a second opinion  :-\ Injury is not too severe but the recovery time for a throwing shoulder injury like this is long. Not a career ender or anything

I wanted to see Strev handed the ball, but not like this. Hope he balls out. He looks a lot more comfortable when he has started games and had the whole week to practice with the team. Off the bench this year he's been running scared.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 19, 2019, 07:00:16 PM
This is what you said:


Nothing contradicts. Early indications were his season is done, after the MRI and second opinion there must be a chance of return after the 6 games, they'll know better when they reevaluate his recovery in 4-6 weeks. There's only 9 games left, barring a miraculous recovery Nichols can be expected to miss at least 6 of them based on today's limited and incredibly optimistic press release. What's your point?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 19, 2019, 07:02:14 PM
6 game IR to be reevaluated in 4-6 weeks in O'Shea speak means he's going to be out much much longer. Exactly in line with what I was told and posted here Saturday. MRI and second opinion didn't seem to change the prognosis much.

Hey Donny my info was pretty mich bang on. Perhaps you should be banned for trolling and derailing the convesration again? LOL!!!1

It really wouldn't change my life.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: teddygmr on August 19, 2019, 07:03:23 PM
NFL Cutdown date: "Aug. 31
Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must reduce rosters to a maximum of 53 players on the Active/Inactive List.

Simultaneously with the cut-down to 53, clubs that have players in the categories of Active/Physically Unable to Perform or Active/Non-Football Injury or Illness must select one of the following options: place player on Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform or Reserve/NonFootball Injury or Illness, whichever is applicable; request waivers; terminate contract; trade contract; or continue to count the player on the Active List.
SEPTEMBER
Sept. 1
Claiming period for players placed on waivers at the final roster reduction will expire at 12:00 noon, New York time."

So, in 2 weeks there will be several dozen QB's released by NFL teams....The Bombers have probably already added some new ones to their Negotiation list in the past couple days.....


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 19, 2019, 07:04:07 PM
Nothing contradicts. Early indications were his season is done, after the MRI and second opinion there must be a chance of return after the 6 games, they'll know better when they reevaluate his recovery in 4-6 weeks. There's only 9 games left, barring a miraculous recovery Nichols can be expected to miss at least 6 of them based on today's limited and incredibly optimistic press release. What's your point?

My point is, can you not see how your insider information and claims made (particular the ones I put in bold) can appear as troll-ish? And then to come on right away with an I told ya so when really all you said is that he has an injury and will be out long term, when really that could have been a reasonable guess based on no information beyond what the rest of us non-insiders had?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2019, 07:17:55 PM
Nothing contradicts. Early indications were his season is done, after the MRI and second opinion there must be a chance of return after the 6 games, they'll know better when they reevaluate his recovery in 4-6 weeks. There's only 9 games left, barring a miraculous recovery Nichols can be expected to miss at least 6 of them based on today's limited and incredibly optimistic press release. What's your point?

I think we can all agree that your anonymous sources posted from your anonymous account will survive any skepticism thrown your way. Most people that are so connected to the team that they have inside information on the health of the starting quarterback wouldn't be posting it on the forum. It's a small circle of people that hold those cards before they make it public or even communicate it to the team. Even if you do actually have that connection, stop. It's not "cool" and no one will believe you anyway, because refer to the first point.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 19, 2019, 07:22:43 PM
It really wouldn't change my life.

that's funny, Donny... and not to mention priceless! you go, my friend!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: swansong on August 19, 2019, 07:26:09 PM
Hey if the 6 million Dollar man can get a bionic arm 30 years ago!!

More like 45 years ago...sigh...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 19, 2019, 07:27:42 PM
My point is, can you not see how your insider information and claims made (particular the ones I put in bold) can appear as troll-ish? And then to come on right away with an I told ya so when really all you said is that he has an injury and will be out long term, when really that could have been a reasonable guess based on no information beyond what the rest of us non-insiders had?

after he came out of the game holding his arm and then headed to the locker room I figured he'd miss 2 or 3 games, at least, and I know absolutely no one... if there was a value less than 'no one' I would have used it, but I'm not that educated either (no wise cracks for you all either, lol)...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 19, 2019, 07:37:21 PM
I think we can all agree that your anonymous sources posted from your anonymous account will survive any skepticism thrown your way. Most people that are so connected to the team that they have inside information on the health of the starting quarterback wouldn't be posting it on the forum. It's a small circle of people that hold those cards before they make it public or even communicate it to the team. Even if you do actually have that connection, stop. It's not "cool" and no one will believe you anyway, because refer to the first point.

I'm going to keep sharing what I read on the other forum, reddit, twitter, and from other sources here. Your free to "stop" reading it, that's "cool" LOL!  :D :D :D I don't really have any "inside" connection so much, I mostly just post whats being discussd on al the oter bomber online forum discussion placed.

I did hear abouyt nichols through the grapevine, but same thing was being posted everywhere LOL!!!! get a gripe


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 19, 2019, 07:46:13 PM
So "information you're hearing" is from reddit, twitter and other hearsay. Got it.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2019, 07:48:31 PM
I'm going to keep sharing what I read on the other forum, reddit, twitter, and from other sources here. Your free to "stop" reading it, that's "cool" LOL!  :D :D :D I don't really have any "inside" connection so much, I mostly just post whats being discussd on al the oter bomber online forum discussion placed.

I did hear abouyt nichols through the grapevine, but same thing was being posted everywhere LOL!!!! get a gripe

For sure, go ahead and share whatever you want. It doesn't bother me. But, If you think you "know" things that only a few people within the Bomber organization (at the time) would know because you have a Twitter handle and a Reddit account, that's your own folly. Your claim is sort of like if I were to use my "insider sources" within my meteorologist friends to predict a thunder storm that I can see on the horizon. And then when it hits I go: I told you so! There's a storm! Look how connected I am. Even though it was sort of just rain with a bit of wind.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 19, 2019, 07:51:03 PM
LOL Never claimed to have insider information, your reading between the lines too much.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Colton on August 19, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Other forums require anyone claiming "inside sources" to need to prove that source to a trusted admin/mod if they want to pass information off in that manner. Might be a good idea for this forum as well.

Especially when those members have posted proven false information in the past.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 19, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Horrible news but it's not surprising I suppose. The only good news is that we'll have somewhat of an SMS savings. I don't know how much he had in early bonus money but we'll have some savings.

For this week we won't have a 3rd QB on the roster so the game day roster will be only 44 players. Another non QB can't be added to offset losing a QB.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
LOL Never claimed to have insider information, your reading between the lines too much.


So, where did you get your magic information then? Please link to it. Specifically:

He's seen doctors already, extent of the injury is 95% known without the MRI. Second opinion is on recovery time I would assume. Don't shoot the messanger, just repeating what I've heard elsewhere.

and

I'm hearing ***early indications*** are Nicols is out for the season, but the team is seeking a second opinion  :-\ Injury is not too severe but the recovery time for a throwing shoulder injury like this is long. Not a career ender or anything

I wanted to see Strev handed the ball, but not like this. Hope he balls out. He looks a lot more comfortable when he has started games and had the whole week to practice with the team. Off the bench this year he's been running scared.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 19, 2019, 08:02:36 PM
I'm under the belief he got around..or just under 200k up front...so 6 games worth of the 250k or whatever it is remaining is a nice amount to toss at an NFL reject...or at the least add to whatever amount we still have earmarked for it


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 19, 2019, 08:06:28 PM

So, where did you get your magic information then? Please link to it. Specifically:

and



Nah, i'm not going to participate in this off-topic derailing discussion. Not taking the bait. Check the other forum, they had the same info posted there by others.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 19, 2019, 08:09:02 PM
I'm under the belief he got around..or just under 200k up front...so 6 games worth of the 250k or whatever it is remaining is a nice amount to toss at an NFL reject...or at the least add to whatever amount we still have earmarked for it

I may be pessimistic but I don't expect Nichols back in 2019. Only 9 games left. If he isn't back practicing by week 6 chances are he's finished for the season.

Even if he starts practicing by week 6 it will take a couple of weeks to get game ready.

Depending on how Streveler is doing it may be irrelevant by that point.

Watching for ex - CFL'ers released in the next week to see who might be of interest.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 19, 2019, 08:19:32 PM
after he came out of the game holding his arm and then headed to the locker room I figured he'd miss 2 or 3 games, at least, and I know absolutely no one... if there was a value less than 'no one' I would have used it, but I'm not that educated either (no wise cracks for you all either, lol)...

I just realized that I lied to you all, lol... I actually do know someone that probably has been in direct contact with him and may know exactly what's going on... but, I'd never put my friend in a situation to either find out something for me or have to make a decision as to what they could or could not share... In fact, anything that we talk about related to the Bombers or current or past players isn't anything that couldn't be known by looking for it on the internet...

I prefer it this was were several reasons, 1) first and foremost, it's not my story to tell, 2) I wouldn't want a friend of mine to put me in that type of place so I wouldn't ask them to do so for me, 3) if something were to ever get it out that wasn't public knowledge I'd never have to worry about anyone being concerned that it may have been me, and 4) I don't have the need to be one of those 'I told ya so' kind of people...

just didn't want you all to think I was telling a lie as I've mentioned here before that I do know someone, and there are several here that I also talk with off line that know I do... just slipped my mind because we never discuss this stuff so I wasn't trying to mislead anyone, just as a matter of full disclosure...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: The Zipp on August 19, 2019, 08:19:47 PM
I may be pessimistic but I don't expect Nichols back in 2019. Only 9 games left. If he isn't back practicing by week 6 chances are he's finished for the season.

Even if he starts practicing by week 6 it will take a couple of weeks to get game ready.

Depending on how Streveler is doing it may be irrelevant by that point.

Watching for ex - CFL'ers released in the next week to see who might be of interest.

mimumum of 9 games max of 12 spread out over 15 weeks - I think he will be back but like everyone else it is just speculation and guessing - even the drs won't know how quickly it will heal and react to the stresses of throwing a ball.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 19, 2019, 08:23:56 PM
I'm under the belief he got around..or just under 200k up front...so 6 games worth of the 250k or whatever it is remaining is a nice amount to toss at an NFL reject...or at the least add to whatever amount we still have earmarked for it

are you referring to Nichols' up front/bonus money?  if so, I seem to remember it being said that it was $125K, paid on Jan. 15th with a siimilar payment due again this upcoming Jan. 15 as well... so that would leave $325K for the season, so, a 6 game savings would be right about $108K...

if this isn't what you were talking about, my apologies...  ;D


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 19, 2019, 08:30:01 PM
are you referring to Nichols' up front/bonus money?  if so, I seem to remember it being said that it was $125K, paid on Jan. 15th with a siimilar payment due again this upcoming Jan. 15 as well... so that would leave $325K for the season, so, a 6 game savings would be right about $108K...

if this isn't what you were talking about, my apologies...  ;D

Yeah it is...the 125k again is due in Jan 2020 for that season..but I believe he got 75k more at or around start of camp..even still...thats a nice amount to use on a pro-rated contract for an NFL cut...or a big time neg lister


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 19, 2019, 08:51:44 PM
Technically we don't have to add another QB to the roster. The Lions only have 2 QB's. In theory they reduced their SMS that way partially to absorb the SMS hit with Reilly.

O'Brien probably not much above an ELC.

It would be a risk but that would free up even more money available to sign an NFL cut etc.

All that said we don't know who will be available, where they want to land or what position we might want to upgrade. Partially depends on who they expect to get back off the IR and when.

If Jeffcoat is done for the season and / or if Roh goes on 6 game IR, then another DE would be something to look at from NFL cuts.

Maybe a DB for similar reasons with all the injuries.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 19, 2019, 09:03:49 PM
Well he is out for the LDC and the BB so that sucks but we can beat Regina with this team and Streveler at the controls.

Goldmember, usual bet of a Pilsner on the games?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 19, 2019, 09:58:33 PM
Okay I'm going to put all my thoughts and opinions here.

1. Ignore the toad and anyone else who claims that they have information but won't reveal the source.
2. I had a Bionic Man and Woman doll when I was about 10. I'm now 55 so that would be 45 years.
3. If O'Shea is saying 6 weeks he's probably out for the season.
4. I'd like to bring in another QB for insurance but there's really nothing out there.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 19, 2019, 10:02:23 PM
Okay I'm going to put all my thoughts and opinions here.

1. Ignore the toad and anyone else who claims that they have information but won't reveal the source.
2. I had a Bionic Man and Woman doll when I was about 10. I'm now 55 so that would be 45 years.
3. If O'Shea is saying 6 weeks he's probably out for the season.
4. I'd like to bring in another QB for insurance but there's really nothing out there.
Post of the day.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 19, 2019, 10:07:42 PM
Once again, I will repeat that some in this forum have connections to the team in one way or another.  Calling people trolls is not right.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 19, 2019, 10:28:11 PM
For the last year and a half, the general feeling on this forum is that we have the best backup in the CFL. Now that he's the guy, people are suggesting that he can't win for us. People are already calling for McGuire to play. Absurd.

If we have the best backup in the CFL, we'll be just fine. Calgary won games with their backup. Saskatchewan is winning games with the guy who started the year as their backup. Hamilton is winning with their backup. Our defense and ST are solid. We have the best running game in the league. We now have the most athletic QB in the league. We have speed receivers and possession receivers. We also have an offence that is built on diversity. If we relied on 300-yard passing games to win, I'd be very concerned. We don't rely on that.

If we can't win games with Streveler during this stretch, then we were never a championship-level team to begin with.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 19, 2019, 10:33:00 PM
For the last year and a half, the general feeling on this forum is that we have the best backup in the CFL. Now that he's the guy, people are suggesting that he can't win for us. People are already calling for McGuire to play. Absurd.

If we have the best backup in the CFL, we'll be just fine. Calgary won games with their backup. Saskatchewan is winning games with the guy who started the year as their backup. Hamilton is winning with their backup. Our defense and ST are solid. We have the best running game in the league. We now have the most athletic QB in the league. We have speed receivers and possession receivers. We also have an offence that is built on diversity. If we relied on 300-yard passing games to win, I'd be very concerned. We don't rely on that.

If we can't win games with Streveler during this stretch, then we were never a championship-level team to begin with.



Agree, Streveler is more than capable of leading this team.  If he can't pass for 200-225 yards a game he does not belong in football.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Bombers9256 on August 19, 2019, 10:41:53 PM
Agree, Streveler is more than capable of leading this team.  If he can't pass for 200-225 yards a game he does not belong in football.

Totally agree. It will really all be about turnovers. If he can limit INT?s and pass for around 200 we will be fine.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 19, 2019, 10:50:00 PM
For the last year and a half, the general feeling on this forum is that we have the best backup in the CFL. Now that he's the guy, people are suggesting that he can't win for us. People are already calling for McGuire to play. Absurd.

If we have the best backup in the CFL, we'll be just fine. Calgary won games with their backup. Saskatchewan is winning games with the guy who started the year as their backup. Hamilton is winning with their backup. Our defense and ST are solid. We have the best running game in the league. We now have the most athletic QB in the league. We have speed receivers and possession receivers. We also have an offence that is built on diversity. If we relied on 300-yard passing games to win, I'd be very concerned. We don't rely on that.

If we can't win games with Streveler during this stretch, then we were never a championship-level team to begin with.


I admit that I've been on the fence about Streveler but I will agree that if other teams can win with their back-up QB we should be able to also. I haven't  heard anyone calling for McGuire to play but it wouldn't surprise me. Don't you know that around here as soon as you become #1 there's always some people who want to see the #2 QB. :D


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bunker on August 19, 2019, 11:04:52 PM
I have had my doubts about Strev this year, but Naylor was on TSN, and said in talking to a number of the people from other CFL teams, they feel he is capable of being a starting QB, and were interested in him for 2020.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Donny C on August 19, 2019, 11:25:49 PM
Once again, I will repeat that some in this forum have connections to the team in one way or another.  Calling people trolls is not right.

Mine was done with a question mark so it wasn't a comment, but rather a question.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 19, 2019, 11:44:29 PM
For the last year and a half, the general feeling on this forum is that we have the best backup in the CFL. Now that he's the guy, people are suggesting that he can't win for us. People are already calling for McGuire to play. Absurd.

If we have the best backup in the CFL, we'll be just fine. Calgary won games with their backup. Saskatchewan is winning games with the guy who started the year as their backup. Hamilton is winning with their backup. Our defense and ST are solid. We have the best running game in the league. We now have the most athletic QB in the league. We have speed receivers and possession receivers. We also have an offence that is built on diversity. If we relied on 300-yard passing games to win, I'd be very concerned. We don't rely on that.

If we can't win games with Streveler during this stretch, then we were never a championship-level team to begin with.



All true.

I think Nichols is a very good QB, but to be entirely honest, he isn't great because he throws 400+ yards a game, he's great because he executes an offense tailored to his strengths very effectively that focuses on not turning over the ball and making modest but consistent yardage to develop drives and result in good field position or points on said drive.

If Lapo tailors an offense to Streveler's abilities and he does just that -executes what is designed for him- there's no reason he cannot score enough points to win football games.

It's not going to be 45+ points a night, but 25ish should do it. This will, though, most likely, come on the backs of a strong defensive effort and STs to maintain or make gains on field position to set Strev up for success.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: thunderNlightning on August 20, 2019, 12:08:34 AM
All true.

I think Nichols is a very good QB, but to be entirely honest, he isn't great because he throws 400+ yards a game, he's great because he executes an offense tailored to his strengths very effectively that focuses on not turning over the ball and making modest but consistent yardage to develop drives and result in good field position or points on said drive.

If Lapo tailors an offense to Streveler's abilities and he does just that -executes what is designed for him- there's no reason he cannot score enough points to win football games.

It's not going to be 45+ points a night, but 25ish should do it. This will, though, most likely, come on the backs of a strong defensive effort and STs to maintain or make gains on field position to set Strev up for success.

What changed then from first couple seasons here when he was pushing the ball downfield and passing between 200-300 yards? Seems like since labour day last year is when all this conservative play has began to unfold.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2019, 12:42:08 AM
All true.

I think Nichols is a very good QB, but to be entirely honest, he isn't great because he throws 400+ yards a game, he's great because he executes an offense tailored to his strengths very effectively that focuses on not turning over the ball and making modest but consistent yardage to develop drives and result in good field position or points on said drive.

If Lapo tailors an offense to Streveler's abilities and he does just that -executes what is designed for him- there's no reason he cannot score enough points to win football games.

It's not going to be 45+ points a night, but 25ish should do it. This will, though, most likely, come on the backs of a strong defensive effort and STs to maintain or make gains on field position to set Strev up for success.
Well stated. I am firmly in this boat this week.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lockman on August 20, 2019, 01:53:03 AM
Strevs is going to have to make some significant throws to keep the D spread out. Don't see us grinding it out all game. A ball control offence is nice but won't win the game against Harris and company.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 20, 2019, 02:01:23 AM
Strevs is going to have to make some significant throws to keep the D spread out. Don't see us grinding it out all game. A ball control offence is nice but won't win the game against Harris and company.

Agree but a ball control offense has and can beat them. 

Have to remember that they can also beat themselves with mistakes and turnovers.  Our D amd STs can also help beat them.  Lots of ways to skin a cat.

I picked Edm but I know we can beat em.  Strev likely isn't rready but Harris could carry him.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: teddygmr on August 20, 2019, 02:21:52 AM
Darvin Adams coming back will be very significant to the Bombers' passing game. Chris Matthews looks to be coming around but can be double teamed. However IF teams load "8 guys in the box" Streveler can throw up some 50/50 balls to Matthews OR Adams and I really like their chances! 
IMO Adams, Matthews, Whitehead, Demski and Wolitarski is the best 5 man receiving group that the Bombers have had in more than a decade! 
Adams got hurt in the Friday, July 26 game so this Friday would be just 4 weeks. It seems doubtful that he will play in that since he didn't practice today. The Labor Day Sept 1 game would be 5 weeks and 2 days from his injury and I guess we can hope for that!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 20, 2019, 04:15:50 AM
I don't agree with the 200-225 a game comment. Nichols has 4 games this year under 200 yards and another game right at 200 yards. We are 7-2.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: pjrocksmb on August 20, 2019, 11:41:16 AM
Darvin Adams coming back will be very significant to the Bombers' passing game. Chris Matthews looks to be coming around but can be double teamed. However IF teams load "8 guys in the box" Streveler can throw up some 50/50 balls to Matthews OR Adams and I really like their chances! 
IMO Adams, Matthews, Whitehead, Demski and Wolitarski is the best 5 man receiving group that the Bombers have had in more than a decade! 
Adams got hurt in the Friday, July 26 game so this Friday would be just 4 weeks. It seems doubtful that he will play in that since he didn't practice today. The Labor Day Sept 1 game would be 5 weeks and 2 days from his injury and I guess we can hope for that!
Bang on Adams will help immensely.  A great receiver and our best.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 20, 2019, 11:58:18 AM
What changed then from first couple seasons here when he was pushing the ball downfield and passing between 200-300 yards? Seems like since labour day last year is when all this conservative play has began to unfold.

Like Piggie stated, the 200-300 yards passing range is considered a very good game for Nichols (when it's accompanied with ball control and strong play from Harris- both of which happen 90% of the time). Setting that same bar for Streveler isn't asking for too much, provided he is surrounded by good play from everyone else. I don't think Streveler is ready to carry a team on his back, but I do think he's talented enough to execute a modest offense and that's all we need to give us a chance.

In this modest gameplan scenario, we should be able to hover around .500. If first team reps in practice and a tailored game plan prove to put him over the top, maybe he can surprise all of us and put up a big game or two? He certainly has the tools IMO.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: dd on August 20, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
This is an interesting turn of events, wewill see what strev truly has to offer and will affect our off-season signing?s.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 20, 2019, 12:33:24 PM
In the big picture, I am not a fan of Nichols as I believe he is not the QB to get us over the top.  I am excited to see Streveler and what he can do with full control of the offense and not just a few gadget plays.   I really believe we have to move on from Nichols if we want to see the Grey Cup, with Streveler or some other QB but Nichols is not our answer.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 20, 2019, 12:39:13 PM
I don't get it...

At the start of the season it was crying because we knew we were going to lose Streveler at the end of the season because we would be going with Nichols, and someone would scoop up #17 to be their starter, or he might go to the NFL...

Suddenly, he can't throw, he can't go through reads, we won't win a game with him in, and we need to bring in Glenn, or Willy as insurance...

Oh yeah, CFL fans and the interweb... now it makes sense.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 20, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
This notion that Streveler can't pass is very fictitious...he hasn't really been allowed to other than in his actual starts...and those were as a raw rookie with basically minimal CFL football knowledge...****** he had 3 weeks exposure to the game prior to his first start.

Now entrenched as the main guy..with main guy reps..main guy prep and main guy game plan the offence will still be effective...maybe moreso because Streveler brings a different element to the offence that we didn't normally have, may take a game or 2 to gel..but it will.

Go into the web and look for articles/interviews regarding him, especially ones from former coaches raving about him...especially his intelligence and leadership.....those things don't erode or disappear when moving up a level like actual talent do to many...and we know he has talent and unique skill set...so he has all the intangibles..now he gets the chance to show it..

He passed for over 4100 yards...most prolific season in MVFC history with 32 TD as well...college stats don't always translate into success at the next level, but to put it into perspective Fajardo had very middling stats as a College starter..never eclipsed 2800 yards, most TD's was 20 and in his time in the CFL was considered a run only QB and not a guy who could be effective passing...but so far in his starts for he most part has been effective...as he is now getting the chance to run a full offence...so Streveler whom I think is more talented should be effective doing the same thing..if not better on a better team.

The onus is now on Lapo to make it doable for Strev...the success truly lies there...if we falter, i guarantee it's because Lapo put him in a position to not be successful


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 20, 2019, 01:23:39 PM
I don't get it...

At the start of the season it was crying because we knew we were going to lose Streveler at the end of the season because we would be going with Nichols, and someone would scoop up #17 to be their starter, or he might go to the NFL...

Suddenly, he can't throw, he can't go through reads, we won't win a game with him in, and we need to bring in Glenn, or Willy as insurance...

Oh yeah, CFL fans and the interweb... now it makes sense.

Yeah it's pretty humourous.

However, I think I know the answer. Basically, last year Strev looked really good and this year he has not. I'm not saying it's a fair assessment because last year he had starts for which he got 1st team reps and teams had little film on him, while this year he's been getting regular spot duty only. Teams are better prepared for what he's going to try (running around the tackles or throwing to his bff Woli).

But that's basically where I see the skepticism coming from. Football fans have short memories and what limited action we've seen from him this season it appears (again, rightfully or wrongfully) that he has regressed.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 20, 2019, 01:50:44 PM
The humerous part is that other than most fans and forum posters, most media..management types and other people with a lot more "know" feel the Bombers will be just fine and manage more than capably with Strev's behind center.

When a Rider pom pom waver like Nye even suggests that, you know it has weight to it, the first game or 2 may be a bit treacherous...but over the course of the 9 games if he has to close out the season the good will far outweigh the bad.

People just have to chill...and let it play out and not go jumping off cliffs or making outrageous comments if the first game against Edmonton doesn't go well...first start...on road..against one of top defenses in the league is a pretty challenging first game


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 20, 2019, 01:52:51 PM
Regina sports writer Jamie Nye is sticking with the Bombers.

You want a bold prediction from me on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers without Matt Nichols?

They'll still win.

Sorry, maybe that's not bold, but I'm seeing too many people all of a sudden write-off the Bombers after hearing Nichols will be out for six weeks or more.

They're too good and too deep of a team.

Plus, we've seen the Riders win with Cody Fajardo. The Stampeders win with Nick Arbuckle. The same goes for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and Dane Evans, and Vernon Adams Jr. has taken off after Antonio Pipkin went down in Montreal.

Chris Streveler had many in Rider Nation wanting Saskatchewan to try to make a deal with the Bombers back-up to be the next one here.

Will the Bombers win nearly 70-percent of their final nine games? Likely not. But they definitely aren't going to fall off the map without Nichols, who by no means is putting up MOP numbers this season.

It's a blow to the Bombers, sure. But look for Winnipeg to continue along the road to ending their near 30-year Grey Cup drought.

https://www.cjme.com/2019/08/20/jamie-nye-bombers-wont-change-much-without-nichols/


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TBURGESS on August 20, 2019, 01:54:24 PM
The Nichols fans have always said that Streveler isn't the answer and they are still still saying it.

The Streveler fans are in put up or shut up mode now that he's starting. They aren't as sure as they used to be when it was just a theory and they don't want to be called wrong, so they aren't posting as much positive stuff these days.

Personally, I think Streveler's got what it takes to be a winner on this team, but I doubt he'll win this week because Edmonton is one of the best teams in the league and beating them is a big ask even if Nichols were starting. Us with Streveler is like the Ticats with Evans. Good, but not as good as we used to be.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on August 20, 2019, 02:04:05 PM
The Nichols fans have always said that Streveler isn't the answer and they are still still saying it.

The Streveler fans are in put up or shut up mode now that he's starting. They aren't as sure as they used to be when it was just a theory and they don't want to be called wrong, so they aren't posting as much positive stuff these days.

Personally, I think Streveler's got what it takes to be a winner on this team, but I doubt he'll win this week because Edmonton is one of the best teams in the league and beating them is a big ask even if Nichols were starting. Us with Streveler is like the Ticats with Evans. Good, but not as good as we used to be.

I agree we aren't as good as we are with Nichols, but I believe the drop off is drastically less than Hamilton faced with Masoli to Evans. We do not ask our QBs to be world beaters. Hamilton does. Masoli to Evans if far more of a drop off.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 1chad on August 20, 2019, 02:10:28 PM
I agree we aren't as good as we are with Nichols, but I believe the drop off is drastically less than Hamilton faced with Masoli to Evans. We do not ask our QBs to be world beaters. Hamilton does. Masoli to Evans if far more of a drop off.

Strev will gain reps and experience, and the game will slow down for him.  This will enable him to process more and be more comfortable throwing.  I still think the BB offense will be 50/50 pass and run.  He will put up 200-250 yds per game, run more than Nichols, AH33 will still be our workhorse.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: the paw on August 20, 2019, 02:18:26 PM
The Nichols fans have always said that Streveler isn't the answer and they are still still saying it.

The Streveler fans are in put up or shut up mode now that he's starting. They aren't as sure as they used to be when it was just a theory and they don't want to be called wrong, so they aren't posting as much positive stuff these days.

Personally, I think Streveler's got what it takes to be a winner on this team, but I doubt he'll win this week because Edmonton is one of the best teams in the league and beating them is a big ask even if Nichols were starting. Us with Streveler is like the Ticats with Evans. Good, but not as good as we used to be.

Can't disagree with much in this post. 

I am a little more skeptical about Streveler's readiness, but still trying to be optimistic.  And even if he struggles in this next stretch, it doesn't mean he won't ever be a starter. It just means he has to continue his development. Lots of QBs are 28-30 years old before they finally break in as a full time starter.

I agree that Streveler is in tough against Edmonton, and probably has long odds on Labour Day as well.  Its quite possible he could win either, but odds are that we drop those two.  Much better chance at home in the Banjo Bowl, and if he can even keep the Edmonton game within 7, we can still win the series (which is likely to be important). 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 20, 2019, 02:39:35 PM
Another thing I am taking issue with is "O'Shea hasn't given Streveler enough live reps".  Know how many "live reps" Glenn got last year as backup?  If you backup a QB that stays healthy, you don't get live reps.  Nichols has been relatively healthy this year.  So there are no reasons for Streveler to get reps, except in blowouts, in which he has gotten some... 



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 20, 2019, 03:10:43 PM
Another thing I am taking issue with is "O'Shea hasn't given Streveler enough live reps".  Know how many "live reps" Glenn got last year as backup?  If you backup a QB that stays healthy, you don't get live reps.  Nichols has been relatively healthy this year.  So there are no reasons for Streveler to get reps, except in blowouts, in which he has gotten some... 



I would take it a step further and say he gets far more reps than most other backups who have a healthy QB1 on their team.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 20, 2019, 04:26:07 PM
Yes he does get live game reps, but there not that meaningful. Also MOS does not like to run up the score. So when STRV17 goes in it's more or less to manage the time clock. It will be interesting to see what he has learned by watching Matt, and 1.5 years with the team.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 20, 2019, 04:31:35 PM
I would take it a step further and say he gets far more reps than most other backups who have a healthy QB1 on their team.

Far more reps than all of them. He's the only backup in the league that gets to play anything other than short yardage, besides blowouts/injuries.

The Streveler fans are in put up or shut up mode now that he's starting. They aren't as sure as they used to be when it was just a theory and they don't want to be called wrong, so they aren't posting as much positive stuff these days.

For what it's worth, I am 100% as confident in Streveler as I was before. I might be wrong of course, but I don't see these concerns that have started to be parroted around and I went back and watched him last year to see if I was crazy or if I could figure out where they're coming from and they're simply not supported by what's on tape. Don't get me wrong, I think they kept his reads pretty simple but you can see good, quick decision making and you can see that he doesn't look to run as soon as the play breaks down... his eyes are downfield almost every time he's scrambling. I don't expect him to light up the league immediately, or for there to not be growing pains, but I expect we're going to be just fine.

Edmonton will be tough, I think they are one of the best defenses in the CFL, but I'm not too worried about Streveler past this week.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 20, 2019, 04:37:33 PM
I ain't scared, I may be wrong but not scared to put my nickle down and say that Streveler will be good moving forward, every bit as good as Nichols has been this year... actually I think he'll do better, but I don't know how much so...

you may think that's a weak statement but there is a variable that neither I or Streveler has any control... that's Lapo... if Lapo gives him crap to run, then he'll be crap... if he gives him a game plan that is smart and dynamic, he'll eclipse Nichols... you saw the same thing with Nichols as late as a few games ago... QBs, and receivers, in Winnipeg go as Lapo goes...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 20, 2019, 04:45:59 PM
I ain't scared, I may be wrong but not scared to put my nickle down and say that Streveler will be good moving forward, every bit as good as Nichols has been this year... actually I think he'll do better, but I don't know how much so...

you may think that's a weak statement but there is a variable that neither I or Streveler has any control... that's Lapo... if Lapo gives him crap to run, then he'll be crap... if he gives him a game plan that is smart and dynamic, he'll eclipse Nichols... you saw the same thing with Nichols as late as a few games ago... QBs, and receivers, in Winnipeg go as Lapo goes...

Nickle down. lol. I see what you did there.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 20, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
I am also a 100% that he will play well and and become a starting QB in the CFL. He's going to make mistakes, all young QB's do, but he will be fine. I look at want Arbuckle and Evans are doing and say why wouldn't he as good as them.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomb squad on August 20, 2019, 05:20:28 PM
Looks like this thread has evolved from Nichols into Streveler. I'm excited to see him running this team. I expect him to do fairly well and pump out more wins than losses. I still have this image from last years WF that I can't shake though. Him woefully overthrowing a 15 yard pass to a wide open Harris that probably would have gone the distance. Arguably, it was the difference between winning and losing that game. Fair or not, sometimes one play like that can define an athlete. I sure hope he does well in this stretch and defines himself as a good or even great quarterback


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BigBlueCrew on August 20, 2019, 05:25:16 PM
For the last year and a half, the general feeling on this forum is that we have the best backup in the CFL. Now that he's the guy, people are suggesting that he can't win for us. People are already calling for McGuire to play. Absurd.

If we have the best backup in the CFL, we'll be just fine. Calgary won games with their backup. Saskatchewan is winning games with the guy who started the year as their backup. Hamilton is winning with their backup. Our defense and ST are solid. We have the best running game in the league. We now have the most athletic QB in the league. We have speed receivers and possession receivers. We also have an offence that is built on diversity. If we relied on 300-yard passing games to win, I'd be very concerned. We don't rely on that.

If we can't win games with Streveler during this stretch, then we were never a championship-level team to begin with.



I totally agree with this. One of the reasons we got by so well without getting 300 yard passing games was how efficient Nichols was when he was getting 200. NO TURNOVERS. Streveler will be getting a chunk of what Nichols did passing with his legs and if he can limit turnovers we will be fine.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 20, 2019, 05:38:47 PM
I ain't scared, I may be wrong but not scared to put my nickle down and say that Streveler will be good moving forward, every bit as good as Nichols has been this year... actually I think he'll do better, but I don't know how much so...

you may think that's a weak statement but there is a variable that neither I or Streveler has any control... that's Lapo... if Lapo gives him crap to run, then he'll be crap... if he gives him a game plan that is smart and dynamic, he'll eclipse Nichols... you saw the same thing with Nichols as late as a few games ago... QBs, and receivers, in Winnipeg go as Lapo goes...

In the long run, this could possibly be the best thing that could have happened to the Bombers. You hate to lose a player to injury like this, but one man's misfortune is another players opportunity. It's a shame because I thought Matt had a heck of a game before he got hurt.  We now will see if Streveler is the real deal or he is another failure in the Bombers QB lineup that we have had over the years.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on August 20, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
I ain't scared, I may be wrong but not scared to put my nickle down and say that Streveler will be good moving forward, every bit as good as Nichols has been this year... actually I think he'll do better, but I don't know how much so...

you may think that's a weak statement but there is a variable that neither I or Streveler has any control... that's Lapo... if Lapo gives him crap to run, then he'll be crap... if he gives him a game plan that is smart and dynamic, he'll eclipse Nichols... you saw the same thing with Nichols as late as a few games ago... QBs, and receivers, in Winnipeg go as Lapo goes...

Last year I was suggesting Streveler go in for Nichols quite a bit. Nichols was playing poorly and his yardage wouldn't have been hard to replace. It's a bit of a different story this year. He's statistically much better even if he's still not putting up a ton of throwing yards. The hardest part for Streveler will be limiting the mistakes because we won't win if he's putting up 150-225 passing like Nichols but throwing 2 or 3 picks a game, unlike Nichols. The problem is that young and inexperienced QBs make lots of mistakes.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 20, 2019, 07:05:34 PM
I love Strvelors escapeability
I have doubts about his reading ability
I think you hit the nail on the head.  He will get some yards, but like any inexperienced QB will throw some ill advised .Passes.

To beat Edm I think this will be, or would have been a race to 40 pts. Their team has progressed nicely, improving all through the season.

If our defence can irritate Harris, maybe it becomes a defensive struggle.
Harris and company seem to have it stride.

Great opportunity for Strev to claim the. Starters job.  But alas, I think we will see a but of a struggle.
I sure would like to see him run wild though and supplement that with a few great passes.  That's my dream!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: the paw on August 20, 2019, 07:05:59 PM
Last year I was suggesting Streveler go in for Nichols quite a bit. Nichols was playing poorly and his yardage wouldn't have been hard to replace. It's a bit of a different story this year. He's statistically much better even if he's still not putting up a ton of throwing yards. The hardest part for Streveler will be limiting the mistakes because we won't win if he's putting up 150-225 passing like Nichols but throwing 2 or 3 picks a game, unlike Nichols. The problem is that young and inexperienced QBs make lots of mistakes.

We should expect a minimum of one INT per game with Streveler, probably 2 most games. You're right, he's going to make mistakes.  As long as those INTs are mostly near the middle of the field, or occur when they go deep, we can likely survive them.  If he starts throwing pick-6's in the flats, or even middle of the field INTs deep in our own end, then it's big trouble in River City.  

I just hope people have realistic expectations for the kid.  Lots of fans seem to think this is going to be a seamless transition, and if that doesn't happen then they are likely to have the emotionally volatile over-reaction we often see in these threads.  I don't think that would be fair to Streveler.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on August 20, 2019, 07:15:07 PM
I have concerns about Streveler's ball-control ability. However, if he tosses a couple of picks, but can put up bigger yardage, that tradeoff may work out. It will depend on how that yardage is achieved and where the picks are. If we are giving up pick-6s or throwing interceptions in their endzone taking points away for us, those will be difficult to overcome.

I actually think that Streveler has the potential to be Canada's Patrick Mahomes. I'd take that in a heartbeat.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Norm W on August 20, 2019, 07:25:45 PM
Streveler needs to be like Mike.... I mean Matt ::) Nothing flashy, don't try and be a hero, complete high percentage throws that keep the sticks moving, spread it around and keep the defence guessing, lots of motion in the backfield and different looks to the running game and stick to it. It's been the winning formula don't change it unless Edmonton can stop it. If nothing else Streveler simply adds another dimension to an effective offense scheme that Edmonton has to worry about... the QB Draw and the Bootleg, to the left and right side.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: trapper on August 20, 2019, 07:48:54 PM
I don't get it...

At the start of the season it was crying because we knew we were going to lose Streveler at the end of the season because we would be going with Nichols, and someone would scoop up #17 to be their starter, or he might go to the NFL...

Suddenly, he can't throw, he can't go through reads, we won't win a game with him in, and we need to bring in Glenn, or Willy as insurance...

Oh yeah, CFL fans and the interweb... now it makes sense.

Just because "someone" from a certain fanbase said "something" and now "someone" says something "different" doesn't mean squat.

This happens all the time.  I see it here all the time... "Riders Fans" say X when I don't hear anyone saying that except a couple posters at Riderfans.

Same here.  Unless a specific person is being hypocritical you can't peg that on the fan base.

There is still a lot of support for Streveler.  There is still a lot of support for Nichols. 

I have said it before, Nichols is not the elite QB.  He doesn't need to be.  I don't know about Streveler.  Like a lot of young QBs he shows promise and he shows mistakes.  He doesn't need to be a superstar to lead the Bombers to a championship.  He just can't play stoopid.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_or_die on August 20, 2019, 08:06:23 PM
Just because "someone" from a certain fanbase said "something" and now "someone" says something "different" doesn't mean squat.

This happens all the time.  I see it here all the time... "Riders Fans" say X when I don't hear anyone saying that except a couple posters at Riderfans.

Same here.  Unless a specific person is being hypocritical you can't peg that on the fan base.

There is still a lot of support for Streveler.  There is still a lot of support for Nichols. 

I have said it before, Nichols is not the elite QB.  He doesn't need to be.  I don't know about Streveler.  Like a lot of young QBs he shows promise and he shows mistakes.  He doesn't need to be a superstar to lead the Bombers to a championship.  He just can't play stoopid.



I'll sort of defend Aards here. I think he's right that it seemed like the general sentiment not long ago was that Strev was the next best thing and now all of a sudden the general sentiment has reversed and the mood is apprehension towards him based on seemingly nothing.

Of course it's not based on empirical statistical data of folks' opinions, just the mood that is felt on the forum.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2019, 09:06:09 PM
Let?s see this thread beat the famous Kevin Glenn thread that reached over 50 pages a few years ago!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 20, 2019, 09:37:14 PM
The one thing that Nichols brought(other then the Hamilton game and that stretch last year) is the ability to protect the football. Streveler has to learn to take the sack and not risk an interception.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 20, 2019, 09:48:30 PM
HOT TAKE

Streveler takes the reins and doesn't give them up the rest of the season. They'll be some growing pains, but when Nichols ishealthy they'll ride the hot hadns of Stev into the playoffs  8) 8) 8) :-*


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2019, 09:51:40 PM
HOT TAKE

Streveler takes the reins and doesn't give them up the rest of the season. They'll be some growing pains, but when Nichols ishealthy they'll ride the hot hadns of Stev into the playoffs  8) 8) 8) :-*
I will take that because then I know Streveler is hot and winning.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BigBomberFan on August 20, 2019, 10:17:18 PM
IMHO, Streveler has regressed a bit this year in terms of his passing game, although QB's that start out in this league generally need more time to develop, especially younger ones. I love his tenacity and the will to do anything to win, but like some have mentioned, he will have to limit the mistakes to be effective. Dominique Davis, for example, has shown potential this year, but he's also a case for a young QB making many mistakes that has cost his team.

As far as the Nichols criticizers--be careful what you wish for.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 20, 2019, 11:49:31 PM
Sooner or later Streveller was going to start. QB's in football get injured. Matt has had injuries over the course of his career. IF it's a shoulder dislocation, Matt is out for 12 weeks before he could being to throw. Now that's coming from a Dr. at the Pan am clinic. So like it or not Strv17 MITE be our QB for awhile.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 21, 2019, 12:21:38 AM
Sooner or later Streveller was going to start. QB's in football get injured. Matt has had injuries over the course of his career. IF it's a shoulder dislocation, Matt is out for 12 weeks before he could being to throw. Now that's coming from a Dr. at the Pan am clinic. So like it or not Strv17 MITE be our QB for awhile.
Speculation in the injury itself is a waste of time but 12 weeks would mean the year.
 Basically.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Doublezero on August 21, 2019, 12:26:38 AM
Sooner or later Streveller was going to start. QB's in football get injured. Matt has had injuries over the course of his career. IF it's a shoulder dislocation, Matt is out for 12 weeks before he could being to throw. Now that's coming from a Dr. at the Pan am clinic. So like it or not Strv17 MITE be our QB for awhile.
It's unlikely to be a shoulder dislocation. That would imply the shoulder came out of the socket, which did not appear to occur. Nichols would be in a sling, arm immobilized. It's more likely a AC tear or separation, which is a stretch or tear of the ligaments that hold the shoulder joint together. Because Nichols depends on that shoulder joint for work, it might to take a little longer to than normal (3-6 weeks) to rehab. I'm not an expert so take my medical diagnosis with a grain of salt! But I dislocated my shoulder once and what happened to Nichols, the way he ran off the field and appeared this week at practice - pretty definitely not a shoulder dislocation.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 21, 2019, 12:40:02 AM
"We?ll re-evaluate his status in about 4-6 weeks and go from there," Bombers coach Mike O?Shea said Monday after the team practiced at the University of Manitoba.
"I expect him to be ready right around that time."

Nothing vague about it. 

He came back early from his knee injury last year. He's a good healer.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Doublezero on August 21, 2019, 12:40:14 AM
I predict we will see at least one big difference between Nichols and Streveler. Rather than hook slide 3-4 yards from the 1st down marker, thereby ending the play and forcing a punt, Streveler will do everything he can for his team-mates to get the first down. If that means a collision with the defenders, so be it. Should be exciting!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Waffler on August 21, 2019, 12:43:26 AM
If that means a collision with the defenders, so be it. Should be exciting!

I remember people loving that about Mike Renaud and his spectacularly short career too.

SLIDE!!!After Strev we have nothing.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 21, 2019, 12:43:56 AM
If you dislocate a shoulder it's only in a sling for one to two days. After that it is normal not to have a sling.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Doublezero on August 21, 2019, 12:44:55 AM
"We?ll re-evaluate his status in about 4-6 weeks and go from there," Bombers coach Mike O?Shea said Monday after the team practiced at the University of Manitoba.
"I expect him to be ready right around that time."

Nothing vague about it. 

He came back early from his knee injury last year. He's a good healer.


Some people wondered if he came back too early from his knee injury last season and whether that affected his performance. This time if he comes back too early it'll be obvious because he won't be able to throw.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 21, 2019, 01:11:47 AM
I predict we will see at least one big difference between Nichols and Streveler. Rather than hook slide 3-4 yards from the 1st down marker, thereby ending the play and forcing a punt, Streveler will do everything he can for his team-mates to get the first down. If that means a collision with the defenders, so be it. Should be exciting!
This is part of what I mean by game management. He has to learn to not take any chances. One big hit and we're down to McGuire.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 21, 2019, 02:29:01 AM
"We?ll re-evaluate his status in about 4-6 weeks and go from there," Bombers coach Mike O?Shea said Monday after the team practiced at the University of Manitoba.
"I expect him to be ready right around that time."

Nothing vague about it. 

He came back early from his knee injury last year. He's a good healer.

If his play after coming back from his injury last year is any indication, I hope he doesn't come back early from this one.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 21, 2019, 03:12:18 AM
Last year I was suggesting Streveler go in for Nichols quite a bit. Nichols was playing poorly and his yardage wouldn't have been hard to replace. It's a bit of a different story this year. He's statistically much better even if he's still not putting up a ton of throwing yards. The hardest part for Streveler will be limiting the mistakes because we won't win if he's putting up 150-225 passing like Nichols but throwing 2 or 3 picks a game, unlike Nichols. The problem is that young and inexperienced QBs make lots of mistakes.

agree, and I'll add this to what you said... it's possible for someone to change their opinion when looking at the 'big picture' when it comes to the here and now... it doesn't mean that you still don't feel the say way, more so that certain factors seem to have changed that impact your opinion...  my opinion about Streveler and his abilities didn't change but my opinion about Nichols did... and in a positive way for Matt...

and I was on the "put Nichols on the slow boat to China" wagon last year and get the Streveler era started... I was actually still there at the first of this year up until game 3 and then I came around and really supported Nichols... that was because I saw that it isn't all on Nichols and when given a different type of game he is very capable... I was even in the camp of Nichols is what's best for this team at this time... however, it didn't diminish my opinion of what I think Streveler brings to table or what he's capable of in the long run which will ultimately be what's best for the team...

however, when you're 7-2 and looking good with a great supporting cast of players, it's not the time to scrap your season and transition into that new era... but, when given no choice, I'll support the new guy... it's going to be a bit like ripping off a bandaid... it's going to stink a bit at first but it's better than prolonging it... 

I hope for this team's sake, as well as the fan base, that I'm right about moving forward with Streveler, all of them deserve it... But I'll add, I feel bad for Matt, this is his team, and would have loved to see him finish out the year and possibly win a cup... last year I wouldn't have given it a second thought...

now, about his injury... I wonder if maybe he bruised the humerus bone in his arm by jamming it up into the socket when he fell?  It reminded me of what Bo Jackson done to his leg when he injured himself... that would explain how he is getting by without the aid of a sling or other type of brace... like everyone else, I'm no doctor and it's all purely speculation but it does seem odd that he's on the 6 game yet he was at practice yesterday without the need of keeping him arm immobilize... who knows, he may be back in 2 weeks...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 21, 2019, 03:28:59 AM
The one thing that Nichols brought(other then the Hamilton game and that stretch last year) is the ability to protect the football. Streveler has to learn to take the sack and not risk an interception.

No QB ever needs to learn to take the sack. As a QB you're coached to do what you have to do to avoid a sack. The only time it is ever not a terrible option is when you need the clock to run. Sure, it's preferred to throwing an interception but 99% of the time when you throw the ball away nothing bad happens. Let's not overreact to the one time it got batted down by a defensive lineman.

I'll agree that he's going to have to try to not take any chances with contact with defenders now that he's our only viable option at QB for the next little while though..


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on August 21, 2019, 05:07:58 AM
If you dislocate a shoulder it's only in a sling for one to two days. After that it is normal not to have a sling.
Not too sure about that..maybe with a slight separation yeah...when I dislocated mine it was immobilized across my body for 6 weeks pretty much...then I had to rehab..I wasnt playing again for almost 10 weeks and only reason I was then was because I had cannon ball delts and doc was shocked it popped out in first place


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 21, 2019, 05:47:06 AM
Prognosis:
Nichols has taken the team to a 7-2 start this season and has received a huge amount of criticism along the way in doing so.  We're half way through the season and there's a pretty good chance Nichols will not return until near the end of it, despite what O'Shea may have suggested.  It's highly unlikely that Streveler or the team can duplicate that 7-2 record over the remainder of the season to sew up a first place finish, especially as the opponents for the second half will be much more challenging.  Say they put up .500 in the remainder, ending the season around 11-7 or 12-6 which is better than last years 10-8, but still may only be good for 2nd or 3rd place depending on how they fare against the Riders, and how the Stamps and Esks. finish out the season. 

Conclusion:
If the season continues on as it is likely heading, we can look forward to one, two, maybe three icy playoff games in other team's rinks, potentially all in AB.   Revisit your own early spring optimism, when the Bombers looked to be the pick of the litter headed for the upper echelon in a year of destiny, did the road to the G.C. involve winning two playoff games in other domains against difficult opponents??? 

If they do reach that point I'm not sure which QB they happen to have behind center is going to make much of a difference, to go the distance the Bombers will have to be a well-polished machine running on all cylinders and playing at a level higher than they achieved in the 2018 playoffs, as well as a level beyond what they have been able to achieve so far this season. With the recent turn of the screw, I don't think that is a logical probability, upon his return Nichols is likely to be rusty, musty and dusty and Streveler has little more than a wild hope in hell of winning a G.C. this year.  That was the hope wasn't it?

Congratulate yourself if you can take comfort in the trajectory of this season's arc and see a positive outcome, I certainly can't, with higher expectations come greater disappointments.  Whether it's Khari falling and breaking his banjo 20 odd years ago or Nichols missing half this season just because, all the reasons for falling short of winning the G.C. over the decades tend to blend together into one long monotonous drone of forgetability.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 21, 2019, 09:17:09 AM
I think that was Kevin who fell on Roberts fumble and broke his arm


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 21, 2019, 10:45:55 AM
If Edmonton loads 8 in the box (as Doug Brown suggested they should) and forces Sreveller to throw the ball consistently, then I am not so convinced that WPG can pull off the win.

Then let's put in 2 tight ends plus AH blocking.  Tons of teams have played 7 or 8 blockers a lot this year.  Even 9!  If they want to stack the box for pressure and run blocking, then send out 3 and pass to wide open receivers, speedsters that their D can't keep up with.  Or variations of that theme.

Well let's hope that they don't try to bring in back too early, for his sake and the team's... in 6 games we'll know what we will be playing for and there is no reason to risk Matt's health or the team's chance by rushing him... that is saying though either we are 'good' in the playoff, in which case should mean that Streveler did alright, or, it's over and it doesn't matter anyway...

Well, if he misses 4, then might as well keep him out 6, right, for the SMS relief?  The first 4 are the hard ones anyhow.

For the last year and a half, the general feeling on this forum is that we have the best backup in the CFL. Now that he's the guy, people are suggesting that he can't win for us. People are already calling for McGuire to play. Absurd.

If we have the best backup in the CFL, we'll be just fine. Calgary won games with their backup. Saskatchewan is winning games with the guy who started the year as their backup. Hamilton is winning with their backup. Our defense and ST are solid. We have the best running game in the league. We now have the most athletic QB in the league. We have speed receivers and possession receivers. We also have an offence that is built on diversity. If we relied on 300-yard passing games to win, I'd be very concerned. We don't rely on that.

If we can't win games with Streveler during this stretch, then we were never a championship-level team to begin with.

To start the year everyone said we did have the best #2.  I still believe that is true.  That means we should do ever better than SSK & HAM & CGY did with their #2s.  And that should be more than good enough.

The Nichols fans have always said that Streveler isn't the answer and they are still still saying it.

Well, I'm one of Nichols' biggest fans here, and I've never said Strev isn't the answer.  It's not just Nichols fans and Strev fans, you forgot the blue-googles fans.  :D  I have full faith Strev will win close to what Nichols would have.  Instead of 8-1 in the next half season, we go 5-4 or 6-3.  And if Strev does well enough, and Nichols doesn't return, we do have a chance to get to a GC.  After all, people were saying Strev is NFL material, or CFL teams would pay him big #1 bucks to switch teams.  I still put the chance of Strev going 6-3 and "lighting things up" at 50/50.  He really might be the real deal.

I am also a 100% that he will play well and and become a starting QB in the CFL. He's going to make mistakes, all young QB's do, but he will be fine. I look at want Arbuckle and Evans are doing and say why wouldn't he as good as them.

If I were to bet, I'd put more money on Strev being a #1 QB in the CFL (or NFL) in 3 years than Arbuckle/Evans/Fajardo/Davis.  And people have already proclaimed Arbuckle and Fajardo as guaranteed future #1 QBs.

Looks like this thread has evolved from Nichols into Streveler. I'm excited to see him running this team. I expect him to do fairly well and pump out more wins than losses. I still have this image from last years WF that I can't shake though. Him woefully overthrowing a 15 yard pass to a wide open Harris that probably would have gone the distance.

Ugh, you're going to bring back my nightmare from 9 months ago!  I saw that pass (I was there in person to see it!) in my dreams for weeks.

Streveler takes the reins and doesn't give them up the rest of the season. They'll be some growing pains, but when Nichols ishealthy they'll ride the hot hadns of Stev into the playoffs  8) 8) 8) :-*

It is possible.  I'd say 25% chance.  Strev will have all the tools (minus an impenetrable OL).  If Strev comes in and wins more than 75% of his games, then we may very well just keep going with him all the way through.  I'd be fine with that if Nichols doesn't have at least 3 games to de-rust.

I predict we will see at least one big difference between Nichols and Streveler. Rather than hook slide 3-4 yards from the 1st down marker, thereby ending the play and forcing a punt, Streveler will do everything he can for his team-mates to get the first down. If that means a collision with the defenders, so be it. Should be exciting!
I remember people loving that about Mike Renaud and his spectacularly short career too.
SLIDE!!!After Strev we have nothing.

Waffler is right.  Strev is our only hope (short of renting Mike Reilly) of winning squat in the here and now.  Strev must remember that and act accordingly.  It's not all about his ego or wild fan expectations.  QBs are dropping like flies this year.

Conclusion:
If the season continues on as it is likely heading, we can look forward to one, two, maybe three icy playoff games in other team's rinks, potentially all in AB.   Revisit your own early spring optimism, when the Bombers looked to be the pick of the litter headed for the upper echelon in a year of destiny, did the road to the G.C. involve winning two playoff games in other domains against difficult opponents??? 

One of your best posts TLB.  However, too pessimistic.  First, we have to play only 1, maybe 2 playoff games.  The reason is, the GC will be handed on a silver platter to whatever West team wins the WDF.  The xover will fail as always.  And MTL isn't good enough to beat a wounded Bombers in a GC.  And HAM without Masoli isn't good enough either.  Let's say Strev is merely as good as Evans.  Well, I'd put money on our O, D and ST over HAM in a GC any day.

So the GC is a gimme.  CGY will be the ones in the WDF.  EDM probably in the WSF.  Hopefully we get to skip the WSF still.  But if not, we just have to beat EDM (hopefully in WPG), then CGY.  I don't want to "wish" anything on anybody, but I'd bet $20 that T.Harris will get injured too.  Even M.Reilly had a scare.  T.Harris won't go unscathed.  And it'll hit them at the worst moment.  Who's their #2?  I have no idea, so whoever it is is probably easily beatable.

So regardless of where we seed in the playoffs, it's the same tune as always, just find a way to beat CGY.  If Strev is lighting it up, then I think Strev can do it.  If Strev sucks, well, then we really hope that MOS is right and Nichols is probable after 6 weeks, then it's back to the original game plan.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 1chad on August 21, 2019, 11:56:48 AM
Strev chucks it up to Matthews and Whitehead to run under and away.  My hopes for the first BB drive!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: rubanski on August 21, 2019, 12:20:20 PM
I think that was Kevin who fell on Roberts fumble and broke his arm

Roberts fumbled, Glenn fell and reached way out for it, and an Argo landed on his arm and broke it.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 21, 2019, 12:37:40 PM
Andrew Harris left Blue Bombers' practice early on Tuesday with what appeared to be a right elbow injury.

But head coach Mike O'Shea thinks he'll be ready to go for Friday against the Eskimos.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Horseman on August 21, 2019, 12:46:06 PM
Roberts fumbled, Glenn fell and reached way out for it, and an Argo landed on his arm and broke it.

Kevin Iben, Argo LB broke KG's arm.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 21, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
Roberts fumbled, Glenn fell and reached way out for it, and an Argo landed on his arm and broke it.
this is correct.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on August 21, 2019, 01:03:35 PM
Prognosis:
Nichols has taken the team to a 7-2 start this season and has received a huge amount of criticism along the way in doing so.  We're half way through the season and there's a pretty good chance Nichols will not return until near the end of it, despite what O'Shea may have suggested.  It's highly unlikely that Streveler or the team can duplicate that 7-2 record over the remainder of the season to sew up a first place finish, especially as the opponents for the second half will be much more challenging.  Say they put up .500 in the remainder, ending the season around 11-7 or 12-6 which is better than last years 10-8, but still may only be good for 2nd or 3rd place depending on how they fare against the Riders, and how the Stamps and Esks. finish out the season. 

Conclusion:
If the season continues on as it is likely heading, we can look forward to one, two, maybe three icy playoff games in other team's rinks, potentially all in AB.   Revisit your own early spring optimism, when the Bombers looked to be the pick of the litter headed for the upper echelon in a year of destiny, did the road to the G.C. involve winning two playoff games in other domains against difficult opponents??? 

If they do reach that point I'm not sure which QB they happen to have behind center is going to make much of a difference, to go the distance the Bombers will have to be a well-polished machine running on all cylinders and playing at a level higher than they achieved in the 2018 playoffs, as well as a level beyond what they have been able to achieve so far this season. With the recent turn of the screw, I don't think that is a logical probability, upon his return Nichols is likely to be rusty, musty and dusty and Streveler has little more than a wild hope in hell of winning a G.C. this year.  That was the hope wasn't it?

Congratulate yourself if you can take comfort in the trajectory of this season's arc and see a positive outcome, I certainly can't, with higher expectations come greater disappointments.  Whether it's Khari falling and breaking his banjo 20 odd years ago or Nichols missing half this season just because, all the reasons for falling short of winning the G.C. over the decades tend to blend together into one long monotonous drone of forgetability.
I consider myself self congratulated.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomber4life85 on August 21, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
Im hoping like heck Strev can help lead our way. Big thing is, he need's to make sure to not give up turnovers- therefore no risky throws for INT's. He has issues with this.
Let our defense work the game with him and just make the play if its their, if not... throw it away!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TheHypnotoad on August 21, 2019, 02:14:19 PM
Not too sure about that..maybe with a slight separation yeah...when I dislocated mine it was immobilized across my body for 6 weeks pretty much...then I had to rehab..I wasnt playing again for almost 10 weeks and only reason I was then was because I had cannon ball delts and doc was shocked it popped out in first place
I dislocated mine last year (slipped on wet grass while running/reaching to catch a frisbee LOL!), only had a sling for 1 day, then the ER doctor suggested I not immobilize it as it would cause a longer recorevy. seems to have worked but I couldn't throw a ball for like 2 months at least.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on August 21, 2019, 02:38:53 PM
Then let's put in 2 tight ends plus AH blocking.  Tons of teams have played 7 or 8 blockers a lot this year.  Even 9!  If they want to stack the box for pressure and run blocking, then send out 3 and pass to wide open receivers, speedsters that their D can't keep up with.  Or variations of that theme.


Well, if he misses 4, then might as well keep him out 6, right, for the SMS relief?  The first 4 are the hard ones anyhow.

To start the year everyone said we did have the best #2.  I still believe that is true.  That means we should do ever better than SSK & HAM & CGY did with their #2s.  And that should be more than good enough.

Well, I'm one of Nichols' biggest fans here, and I've never said Strev isn't the answer.  It's not just Nichols fans and Strev fans, you forgot the blue-googles fans.  :D  I have full faith Strev will win close to what Nichols would have.  Instead of 8-1 in the next half season, we go 5-4 or 6-3.  And if Strev does well enough, and Nichols doesn't return, we do have a chance to get to a GC.  After all, people were saying Strev is NFL material, or CFL teams would pay him big #1 bucks to switch teams.  I still put the chance of Strev going 6-3 and "lighting things up" at 50/50.  He really might be the real deal.

If I were to bet, I'd put more money on Strev being a #1 QB in the CFL (or NFL) in 3 years than Arbuckle/Evans/Fajardo/Davis.  And people have already proclaimed Arbuckle and Fajardo as guaranteed future #1 QBs.

Ugh, you're going to bring back my nightmare from 9 months ago!  I saw that pass (I was there in person to see it!) in my dreams for weeks.

It is possible.  I'd say 25% chance.  Strev will have all the tools (minus an impenetrable OL).  If Strev comes in and wins more than 75% of his games, then we may very well just keep going with him all the way through.  I'd be fine with that if Nichols doesn't have at least 3 games to de-rust.

Waffler is right.  Strev is our only hope (short of renting Mike Reilly) of winning squat in the here and now.  Strev must remember that and act accordingly.  It's not all about his ego or wild fan expectations.  QBs are dropping like flies this year.

One of your best posts TLB.  However, too pessimistic.  First, we have to play only 1, maybe 2 playoff games.  The reason is, the GC will be handed on a silver platter to whatever West team wins the WDF.  The xover will fail as always.  And MTL isn't good enough to beat a wounded Bombers in a GC.  And HAM without Masoli isn't good enough either.  Let's say Strev is merely as good as Evans.  Well, I'd put money on our O, D and ST over HAM in a GC any day.

So the GC is a gimme.  CGY will be the ones in the WDF.  EDM probably in the WSF.  Hopefully we get to skip the WSF still.  But if not, we just have to beat EDM (hopefully in WPG), then CGY.  I don't want to "wish" anything on anybody, but I'd bet $20 that T.Harris will get injured too.  Even M.Reilly had a scare.  T.Harris won't go unscathed.  And it'll hit them at the worst moment.  Who's their #2?  I have no idea, so whoever it is is probably easily beatable.

So regardless of where we seed in the playoffs, it's the same tune as always, just find a way to beat CGY.  If Strev is lighting it up, then I think Strev can do it.  If Strev sucks, well, then we really hope that MOS is right and Nichols is probable after 6 weeks, then it's back to the original game plan.


Where to start...I guess at the beginning.

First no teams in the CFL have employed 8 or 9 blockers on anything other than STs and short yardage. The typical max pro is 7 blockers. If you are trying to use 8 or 9 your QB will not have much receiving options because they will all be double covered. Stacking the box does not mean extra pressure. It means they are playing their LBers inside the tackles to eliminate the run. When the box is stacked the best offence is to roll the QB, and run outside the tackles. Pass pro is not paramount.

No you don't keep Nichols out if he is ready after 4 games. He is our starting QB. You play him as soon as he is ready. This isn't hockey or baseball where you have 80 or a 100 games to determine playoff positioning.

Just because people on a forum or some media types proclaimed Streveler to be the best backup doesn't make it so. Nor can you apply the logic that just because Arbuckle or Fajardo had success that Streveler will. Every team is different and every situation is different. You can't simply make that leap because not all the variables are the same.

I do agree that Streveler may do very well. He has all the tools and is a very dynamic player.

I don't agree that the GC goes through Cal/Edmonton. I really believe for us to have any chance we need a home playoff game and it will be Sask/Edmonton we are facing if we don't finish first.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: DM83 on August 21, 2019, 02:45:57 PM
He can't read defenses.
That's a problem


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bowlerdude on August 21, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
He can't read defenses.
That's a problem

based on what?

I would argue there's game tape from last year that shows that he's good at reading a defense pre-snap and he's good at making good/quick post-snap reads as long as they are kept relatively simple.

He's no Trevor Harris or Bo Levi Mitchell but for a guy with limited experience, he isn't bad at it.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 21, 2019, 03:13:54 PM
I think that was Kevin who fell on Roberts fumble and broke his arm
Im thinking it was Khari in the 2001 GC where we were heavily favoured being a 14-4 team facing a 7-11 team.   The entire team fell on their collective banjos including Troy Westwood who had a miserable day missing FGs being 1-4 on the day.

Here's a good account of that game....we're the 2001 Bombers the best team to never win a Grey Cup?

https://3downnation.com/2016/11/26/fifteen-years-later-remembering-2001-grey-cup/


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on August 21, 2019, 04:12:07 PM
He can't read defenses.
That's a problem

Says who? He's actually been lauded as a very cerebral QB. We tend to forget that because of his physical prowess, but this is a guy that picked up our game in 3 weeks.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: ModAdmin on August 21, 2019, 04:37:56 PM
Don't think many would argue the Edmonton game would be a great one to win:

- Edmonton is the "next best" team
- Streveler establishing himself as a strong back up QB
- Winnipeg win on the road
- String of tough games coming up
- overcoming several injuries
- creating more space in the standings Winnipeg vs Edmonton

A win in Edmonton would be huge.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bwiser on August 21, 2019, 04:48:45 PM
Im thinking it was Khari in the 2001 GC where we were heavily favoured being a 14-4 team facing a 7-11 team.   The entire team fell on their collective banjos including Troy Westwood who had a miserable day missing FGs being 1-4 on the day.

Here's a good account of that game....we're the 2001 Bombers the best team to never win a Grey Cup?

https://3downnation.com/2016/11/26/fifteen-years-later-remembering-2001-grey-cup/
It was the 2001 Bombers or the 1987 Bombers as the best team to not win a Grey Cup.That 1987 team was loaded with CFL Hall of Famers and Blue Bomber Hall of Famers but laid an egg in the Eastern Final.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 21, 2019, 07:08:22 PM
It was the 2001 Bombers or the 1987 Bombers as the best team to not win a Grey Cup.That 1987 team was loaded with CFL Hall of Famers and Blue Bomber Hall of Famers but laid an egg in the Eastern Final.
I remember that '87 game. It was cold and the Bomber offence could only get 3 points. Oddly a less talented team won the Grey Cup in '88. But yeah I think that the '87 team had more talent than '01.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Arm_Chair_Quarterback on August 21, 2019, 08:11:58 PM
Next man up mentality! Can't wait to see QB Chris Streveler. Its not a usual name for a player. I do recall last season, 23 year-old at the time, Streveler was a mystery coming in to training camp, as he was described by the sports media. In fact, in the Montreal game, 56-10 win for the Bombers. It was a dominate performance.

QB Player Stats in the first-half:
* 18 completions of 22 attempts
* 196 pass yards
* 55 rush yards (incl. rushing

QB Player Stats - Totals
* 22/28 completions whole game
* 246 yards total
* 2 touchdowns
* 98 yards rushing on 10 carries
* 1 TD

I expect an interesting game againt Edmonton this Frid


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 21, 2019, 08:23:00 PM
Yes, and if our D didn't fall apart late in the Edmonton game last year, Strv17 would have pulled that one off.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 22, 2019, 03:35:35 AM
First no teams in the CFL have employed 8 or 9 blockers on anything other than STs and short yardage. The typical max pro is 7 blockers. If you are trying to use 8 or 9 your QB will not have much receiving options because they will all be double covered.

Then what CFL have you been watching?  I've seen 8 blockers on numerous occasions by numerous teams.  The ones that spring to mind are HAM and CGY.  When CGY absolutely needs to get it to Rogers on a crucial play, they put in 8 pass-pro blockers.  Fact.

HAM does the same thing when they send out uncoverable Speedy-B to just run circles around D's just to end up making a pass on the sideline.

I know for a fact about 8.  As for 9... I think I saw HAM do it once.  Granted, the 9th guy often is a delayed sneak-out for a dump pass, but if they delay long enough to block and actually make some blocks, I consider that a blocker.

Anyway, the next time I see 8, I'll be sure to notify you, because 7 and 8 are startlingly common this year.  If you have a receiver that absolutely can't be covered given enough time, it makes sense.

I don't agree that the GC goes through Cal/Edmonton. I really believe for us to have any chance we need a home playoff game and it will be Sask/Edmonton we are facing if we don't finish first.

Oh I fully agree we need a home WDF game, but now that Nichols is down, our odds go down somewhat.  I think home WSF odds are still great, but that home WF will be a tough ask.  However, now we need to be prepared to get to the GC "the hard way".

SSK?  Pffft.  SSK will end up 4th and crossover.  Anyone who thinks CGY isn't still the team to beat is delusional.  Don't take my word for it... just wait.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 24, 2019, 04:04:13 PM
Matt looked pretty good on the side lines. Cheering the boys on, crossed his arms a few times. Mite be back earlier then people think.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on August 24, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Matt looked pretty good on the side lines. Cheering the boys on, crossed his arms a few times. Mite be back earlier then people think.

I don't want him back with a throwing shoulder at anything less than 100%.  He probably could play right now, but he'd be a hit away from ending his career... The time to err on the side of caution is now.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 24, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
I noticed Nichols on the sidelines looking fairly comfortable as well. Injured yes but there is some hope it's not long term or any sort of permanent issue.

Although he's on the 6 game IR it's not written in stone that he doesn't come off early. That happened last year at the beginning of the season.

It's a wait and see how he heals. From a fan point of view we don't even know exactly what the injury is so we can't really know what to expect. Obviously we don't want to put him at further risk.

That said, I was hopeful after seeing that shot of him.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 24, 2019, 04:56:12 PM
I noticed Nichols on the sidelines looking fairly comfortable as well. Injured yes but there is some hope it's not long term or any sort of permanent issue.

Although he's on the 6 game IR it's not written in stone that he doesn't come off early. That happened last year at the beginning of the season.

It's a wait and see how he heals. From a fan point of view we don't even know exactly what the injury is so we can't really know what to expect. Obviously we don't want to put him at further risk.

That said, I was hopeful after seeing that shot of him.

Need him back for the end of season run, but I wonder if we win that game last night if he played.  He would have been sacked  6 times.  However, our passing would have been much better, but he would not have the rushing yardage of Streveler.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 24, 2019, 05:01:24 PM
Need him back for the end of season run, but I wonder if we win that game last night if he played.  He would have been sacked  6 times.  However, our passing would have been much better, but he would not have the rushing yardage of Streveler.

I have no doubt we would have won with Nichols starting. He won the 1st time we played Edmonton with more passing yardage and less rushing yardage.

Almost the same scoring by Edmonton pattern by Edmonton. 7 FG's in each game. Last night they managed a 75 yard TD on a pass nearly knocked down by Rios.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 24, 2019, 05:18:10 PM
Need him back for the end of season run, but I wonder if we win that game last night if he played.  He would have been sacked  6 times.  However, our passing would have been much better, but he would not have the rushing yardage of Streveler.

Such a silly comment. That's presumptuous at best.

And besides, the offense sure didn't win this game last night. It was the defense.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: feeling the blues on August 24, 2019, 05:47:14 PM
Such a silly comment. That's presumptuous at best.

And besides, the offense sure didn't win this game last night. It was the defense.

i disagree, it a valid point what would have been sacks ended up beeing positive yards.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 24, 2019, 05:55:15 PM
Such a silly comment. That's presumptuous at best.

And besides, the offense sure didn't win this game last night. It was the defense.


Silly in your eyes.  I think we would have won last night with Nichols, but he would have been punished by that front 4 of their's and who knows what happens with hits on those plays.  Maybe Edmonton strips the ball from him and scores. Regardless happy for the win!!!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on August 24, 2019, 06:57:29 PM
Silly in your eyes.  I think we would have won last night with Nichols, but he would have been punished by that front 4 of their's and who knows what happens with hits on those plays.  Maybe Edmonton strips the ball from him and scores. Regardless happy for the win!!!
Boy you sure have a hate for Nichols. We'll never know what would have happened. As for his injury it was mentioned on the CJOB pregame show that it's the kind of injury that needs time to heal but there's no way of knowing how long it will take to heal. That's why he'll be evaluated in 3-4 weeks.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: PurpleReign on August 24, 2019, 07:25:31 PM
Boy you sure have a hate for Nichols. We'll never know what would have happened. As for his injury it was mentioned on the CJOB pregame show that it's the kind of injury that needs time to heal but there's no way of knowing how long it will take to heal. That's why he'll be evaluated in 3-4 weeks.

What hate, I thought he was terrific the last game before he got hurt.  I want to see him return for our run, but  I just don't think in the long term he is our best option to get us to the Cup.  Many people feel the same way I do.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue_gold_84 on August 24, 2019, 08:09:19 PM
Silly in your eyes.  I think we would have won last night with Nichols, but he would have been punished by that front 4 of their's and who knows what happens with hits on those plays.  Maybe Edmonton strips the ball from him and scores. Regardless happy for the win!!!

Or anyone capable of rational thought. You can't pass off assumptions or speculation as fact. Has Nichols ever been sacked 6 times in a game?

And remember: he uses Harris well as a safety valve.

But again, the offense sure didn't win this game last night.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on August 24, 2019, 08:22:33 PM
The O didn't win the game last night, this is true. But ST's and D, has won a few games for us this year. The return game wasn't that great yesterday, so the had to come up big. One thing did like about our was when we needed our O to score and burn time off the clock, they did.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 24, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Or anyone capable of rational thought. You can't pass off assumptions or speculation as fact. Has Nichols ever been sacked 6 times in a game?

And remember: he uses Harris well as a safety valve.

But again, the offense sure didn't win this game last night.

Just how many games has the offense won for us this year? 

sure don't recall you make a similar statement like above earlier in the year when ST or D won the game for the Bombers... much like the first meeting against the Eskimos...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on August 24, 2019, 08:49:39 PM
Then what CFL have you been watching?  I've seen 8 blockers on numerous occasions by numerous teams.  The ones that spring to mind are HAM and CGY.  When CGY absolutely needs to get it to Rogers on a crucial play, they put in 8 pass-pro blockers.  Fact.

HAM does the same thing when they send out uncoverable Speedy-B to just run circles around D's just to end up making a pass on the sideline.

I know for a fact about 8.  As for 9... I think I saw HAM do it once.  Granted, the 9th guy often is a delayed sneak-out for a dump pass, but if they delay long enough to block and actually make some blocks, I consider that a blocker.

I coached football for 20 years and can tell you that you are mistaken. If you can find me one play on film with 8 guys in pass pro i will happily retract.

Anyway, the next time I see 8, I'll be sure to notify you, because 7 and 8 are startlingly common this year.  If you have a receiver that absolutely can't be covered given enough time, it makes sense.

Oh I fully agree we need a home WDF game, but now that Nichols is down, our odds go down somewhat.  I think home WSF odds are still great, but that home WF will be a tough ask.  However, now we need to be prepared to get to the GC "the hard way".

SSK?  Pffft.  SSK will end up 4th and crossover.  Anyone who thinks CGY isn't still the team to beat is delusional.  Don't take my word for it... just wait.


If you are talking pass pro blocking you are highly mistaken. 8 and 9 blockers in pass pro is not common whatsoever. Max pro is 7 guys. No one uses it much anymore let alone 8. 9...I can't recall ever seeing it and i cant imagine why anyone would have 9 blockers for 4-5 rushers.

If you are talking a receiver chipping a guy and then running a route that's diffrrent and is not considered pass pro. Pass pro means you are staying behind los to block.

I'm not trying to pick on your limited knowledge of football X and Os but you chose to double down on this after it was explained to you.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 25, 2019, 05:53:35 AM
I'm not trying to pick on your limited knowledge of football X and Os but you chose to double down on this after it was explained to you.

I'm not trying to pick on your limited eyesight.

But let me tell you... ooooh... you're not going to win this one!  Every single play of every single game I count up how many OL, how many blockers, how many show blitz, how many actually pass rush, etc.  Often takes a few skip-backs, but it doesn't take long on my computer.

But the fact that these happened in Bomber games... when I pay extra close attention??  Good luck with that.

Sure, I am still learning on the X's and O's, but I know what I see, especially on my favorite things to study...

If you are talking pass pro blocking you are highly mistaken. 8 and 9 blockers in pass pro is not common whatsoever. Max pro is 7 guys. No one uses it much anymore let alone 8. 9...I can't recall ever seeing it and i cant imagine why anyone would have 9 blockers for 4-5 rushers.

If you are talking a receiver chipping a guy and then running a route that's diffrrent and is not considered pass pro. Pass pro means you are staying behind los to block.

OK, making me go and find it... I knew some were in the CGY@WPG game.  Here ya go!  You can thank me later:

1Q0:00 6+2=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 2 blockers are RB/TB; only 3 receivers out; long wait then pass complete for 20 to #17.

2Q12:44 5+2+1=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 1 blocker is RB, 2 blockers are SBs; only 3 receivers out; moderate wait then pass to Rogers attempted but he drops it; DPI called on Sayles

I stopped checking there, but I remember another couple in the 4th for sure.  If you insist, I'll continue checking and dig them up for your edification.

And you're wrong on 7 too.  I see 7 quite a lot.  They put a TE for 6OL and leave the RB in to block.  I think almost every team has used that set this year.  And, no, I'm not counting someone sneaking out.  Well, I might count it if they sneak out super late when the pocket is collapsing when they see the QB has no targets and needs a dump pass.  But you don't even need to count those to find many 7 examples.

And I'm still pretty sure I've seen HAM do 9 blockers, 2 WRs out... as long as one of them is Speedy B, they make it work.  I'm not positive, but my brain and gut say my memory is real.  Might have been last year.  I'm not saying 9 is "common", as it might have just been once.  But 8 certainly is happening this year!  And that's what my original post said.  In fact, 8 seems to be a staple of CGY's O when they absolutely need to get a reception on 2nd & long to one of their 50/50 guys.  We should game plan around it and take advantage (like only pass rushing 2!!!).



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Lincoln Locomotive on August 25, 2019, 06:21:57 AM
I'm not trying to pick on your limited eyesight.

But let me tell you... ooooh... you're not going to win this one!  Every single play of every single game I count up how many OL, how many blockers, how many show blitz, how many actually pass rush, etc.  Often takes a few skip-backs, but it doesn't take long on my computer.

But the fact that these happened in Bomber games... when I pay extra close attention??  Good luck with that.

Sure, I am still learning on the X's and O's, but I know what I see, especially on my favorite things to study...

OK, making me go and find it... I knew some were in the CGY@WPG game.  Here ya go!  You can thank me later:

1Q0:00 6+2=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 2 blockers are RB/TB; only 3 receivers out; long wait then pass complete for 20 to #17.

2Q12:44 5+2+1=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 1 blocker is RB, 2 blockers are SBs; only 3 receivers out; moderate wait then pass to Rogers attempted but he drops it; DPI called on Sayles

I stopped checking there, but I remember another couple in the 4th for sure.  If you insist, I'll continue checking and dig them up for your edification.

And you're wrong on 7 too.  I see 7 quite a lot.  They put a TE for 6OL and leave the RB in to block.  I think almost every team has used that set this year.  And, no, I'm not counting someone sneaking out.  Well, I might count it if they sneak out super late when the pocket is collapsing when they see the QB has no targets and needs a dump pass.  But you don't even need to count those to find many 7 examples.

And I'm still pretty sure I've seen HAM do 9 blockers, 2 WRs out... as long as one of them is Speedy B, they make it work.  I'm not positive, but my brain and gut say my memory is real.  Might have been last year.  I'm not saying 9 is "common", as it might have just been once.  But 8 certainly is happening this year!  And that's what my original post said.  In fact, 8 seems to be a staple of CGY's O when they absolutely need to get a reception on 2nd & long to one of their 50/50 guys.  We should game plan around it and take advantage (like only pass rushing 2!!!).

not really sure why anyone would want to debate with you regarding your detailed x&o observations?  Hail to the Techno Genius.   You are intensely committed that's for certain!   I'm not sure anyone on this forum is as analytical as you are either albeit there are posters on here with keen insights and real tangible knowledge of the game.   

Me....I just love the game and perhaps my contributions to this forum aren't as detailed or as knowledge based, however I'm appreciative of all you do as well as others.   


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on August 25, 2019, 10:05:35 AM
GCn18: I just started watching the HAM/BC game and, sure enough, right in the 1st Q, HAM does 6+1+1=8 blockers, none vacate, at 1Q2:45.  Target: Banks.  Result: completion.  I won't bother listing more until I find the mythical and elusive 9 blockers set.  (edit: BC does a 6+1=7, no vacates, pass play, at 2Q1:31.)

Also, somewhat separately, BC at 1Q1:03 lines up 7 "OL" plus 1 SB turns into a blocker (for 8 total): but this is a run play.  The 7 blocker look is very common on run plays.  I'm not trying to convolute it with our pass protection discussion, but when you're looking pre-snap (like the D is), you don't know if these are going to be pass or run.  However, does "max pro" apply to run plays?  Or would you call it something else.  The look can be the same, the result different.

Interestingly, since I'm looking at this tonight, I've noticed that if it's 7 OL (i.e. with tight ends, whatever), as opposed to extra RB/SB moving in to block, that the odds of it being a run play increase exponentially.  I guess D's must key off that.  I'm going to start tracking this to see if you can put a number on it.  Great potential for trickery there, i.e. tendency breaker.  Or maybe all the teams already know that trick...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 66 Chevelle on August 25, 2019, 10:32:02 AM
not really sure why anyone would want to debate with you regarding your detailed x&o observations?  Hail to the Techno Genius.   You are intensely committed that's for certain!   I'm not sure anyone on this forum is as analytical as you are either albeit there are posters on here with keen insights and real tangible knowledge of the game.   

Me....I just love the game and perhaps my contributions to this forum aren't as detailed or as knowledge based, however I'm appreciative of all you do as well as others.   

Lincoln, your contributions to the forum show that you are both knowledgeable and a dedicated fan of the Bombers... I always enjoy reading your contributions...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomb squad on August 25, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
not really sure why anyone would want to debate with you regarding your detailed x&o observations?  Hail to the Techno Genius.   You are intensely committed that's for certain!   I'm not sure anyone on this forum is as analytical as you are either albeit there are posters on here with keen insights and real tangible knowledge of the game.   

Me....I just love the game and perhaps my contributions to this forum aren't as detailed or as knowledge based, however I'm appreciative of all you do as well as others.   

Same with me Linc. I don't usually watch the game in this much detail unless it's brought to my attention. And I don't want to get involved in the debate either, but I do find this interesting. I will check out Techno's examples and see for myself. Thanks Techno.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on August 25, 2019, 01:24:51 PM
Geez. Some complain about too many check downs avoiding sacks. Others just complain. He led the team to a 7 - 2 record before his injury.

Obviously defense and ST's made huge contributions to victories as well but Nichols play contributed.

It's a team game


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: bomb squad on August 25, 2019, 03:11:05 PM
I'm not trying to pick on your limited eyesight.

But let me tell you... ooooh... you're not going to win this one!  Every single play of every single game I count up how many OL, how many blockers, how many show blitz, how many actually pass rush, etc.  Often takes a few skip-backs, but it doesn't take long on my computer.

But the fact that these happened in Bomber games... when I pay extra close attention??  Good luck with that.

Sure, I am still learning on the X's and O's, but I know what I see, especially on my favorite things to study...

OK, making me go and find it... I knew some were in the CGY@WPG game.  Here ya go!  You can thank me later:

1Q0:00 6+2=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 2 blockers are RB/TB; only 3 receivers out; long wait then pass complete for 20 to #17.

2Q12:44 5+2+1=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 1 blocker is RB, 2 blockers are SBs; only 3 receivers out; moderate wait then pass to Rogers attempted but he drops it; DPI called on Sayles

I stopped checking there, but I remember another couple in the 4th for sure.  If you insist, I'll continue checking and dig them up for your edification.

And you're wrong on 7 too.  I see 7 quite a lot.  They put a TE for 6OL and leave the RB in to block.  I think almost every team has used that set this year.  And, no, I'm not counting someone sneaking out.  Well, I might count it if they sneak out super late when the pocket is collapsing when they see the QB has no targets and needs a dump pass.  But you don't even need to count those to find many 7 examples.

And I'm still pretty sure I've seen HAM do 9 blockers, 2 WRs out... as long as one of them is Speedy B, they make it work.  I'm not positive, but my brain and gut say my memory is real.  Might have been last year.  I'm not saying 9 is "common", as it might have just been once.  But 8 certainly is happening this year!  And that's what my original post said.  In fact, 8 seems to be a staple of CGY's O when they absolutely need to get a reception on 2nd & long to one of their 50/50 guys.  We should game plan around it and take advantage (like only pass rushing 2!!!).


Just watched it. You nailed it, good work. I am surprised though that it worked for Calgary (well "kind of" in the second instance). It seems like it shouldn't. I think a couple of our guys were kind of drifting around, protecting a little too much open space.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Tehedra on August 25, 2019, 04:49:19 PM
Techno; I remember Hamilton using 9 I think earlier in the season in one of the first couple games where they were playing a max protect for most of the game.  That might have been early last season, but I thought it was early this season that they did that.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on August 26, 2019, 09:27:37 PM
I'm not trying to pick on your limited eyesight.

But let me tell you... ooooh... you're not going to win this one!  Every single play of every single game I count up how many OL, how many blockers, how many show blitz, how many actually pass rush, etc.  Often takes a few skip-backs, but it doesn't take long on my computer.

But the fact that these happened in Bomber games... when I pay extra close attention??  Good luck with that.

Sure, I am still learning on the X's and O's, but I know what I see, especially on my favorite things to study...

OK, making me go and find it... I knew some were in the CGY@WPG game.  Here ya go!  You can thank me later:

1Q0:00 6+2=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 2 blockers are RB/TB; only 3 receivers out; long wait then pass complete for 20 to #17.

2Q12:44 5+2+1=8 blockers, all 8 stay to block, none sneak out; 1 blocker is RB, 2 blockers are SBs; only 3 receivers out; moderate wait then pass to Rogers attempted but he drops it; DPI called on Sayles

I stopped checking there, but I remember another couple in the 4th for sure.  If you insist, I'll continue checking and dig them up for your edification.

And you're wrong on 7 too.  I see 7 quite a lot.  They put a TE for 6OL and leave the RB in to block.  I think almost every team has used that set this year.  And, no, I'm not counting someone sneaking out.  Well, I might count it if they sneak out super late when the pocket is collapsing when they see the QB has no targets and needs a dump pass.  But you don't even need to count those to find many 7 examples.

And I'm still pretty sure I've seen HAM do 9 blockers, 2 WRs out... as long as one of them is Speedy B, they make it work.  I'm not positive, but my brain and gut say my memory is real.  Might have been last year.  I'm not saying 9 is "common", as it might have just been once.  But 8 certainly is happening this year!  And that's what my original post said.  In fact, 8 seems to be a staple of CGY's O when they absolutely need to get a reception on 2nd & long to one of their 50/50 guys.  We should game plan around it and take advantage (like only pass rushing 2!!!).



What you said in your original post is that we should put 8 or 9 men into pass pro when the opposing D lines up 8 in the box. An idea that i maintain is silly.
Will teams run 8 blockers on the line once every couple games? Apparently. As anything more than a quasi gadget play it would be a failure of a strategy. The element of surprise would be paramount for this to work and that requires scarcity of use.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on August 27, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
According to Brendan Taman's article in today's Leader Post he was preparing to try and trade for Matt Nichol the day he was fired from the Riders.

https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/brendan-taman-initial-talks-about-a-quarterback-were-abruptly-halted


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: 1chad on August 27, 2019, 03:25:11 PM
According to Brendan Taman's article in today's Leader Post he was preparing to try and trade for Matt Nichol the day he was fired from the Riders.

https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/brendan-taman-initial-talks-about-a-quarterback-were-abruptly-halted

Nice article.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: xray on August 28, 2019, 02:36:18 AM
Let us not rule out a rib injury.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BBFANDM on August 28, 2019, 03:00:49 AM
Matt looked pretty good on the side lines. Cheering the boys on, crossed his arms a few times. Mite be back earlier then people think.

If he dislocated his throwing shoulder he will be very lucky to contribute this year, moving your arm around isn't the issue its the throwing motion that is the problem.

Travis Lulay was never the same after injuring his, Andrew Luck took 2 years to recovers from his 2016 Injury. I am not saying he can't but it could also be the entire season or if he comes back to soon he could mess it for for next year as well. I am not sure why the Bombers are waiting so long to get QB help in if 17 goes down vs the Riders they won't put up much of a fight in the Banjo Bowl.

 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Ridermania on September 25, 2019, 01:41:56 PM
When is Matt's 6th game on the list done?

Thanks and hope he is rehabbing nicely.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 25, 2019, 01:46:18 PM
When is Matt's 6th game on the list done?

Thanks and hope he is rehabbing nicely.

This is week 5. In theory he is eligible to start practicing next week. Whether he is able to do that is the question.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on September 25, 2019, 03:21:16 PM
Take as long as you need Matty. Streveler is playing good football right now.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on September 25, 2019, 04:15:17 PM
Yes, Strv17 has not hurt the team. He is playing pretty good football, and has taken a lot of pressure off of the OL with his ability to run and escape pressure.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Knocker42 on September 25, 2019, 04:52:41 PM
Those who say Streveler is playing well would be happy with the first half.  ... Well, most of it anyhow.  The interception was awful football on his part.
His play in the second half was dismal at best.  Some will say the scheme was responsible, and I'm sure it was not perfect but his execution was not good for the entire half.
Count me amongst those who want the guy to succeed.  At the minute, I am convinced a fit Nichols is our best bet but if and when Streveler outplays him, we are better off.  It has not yet reached that point in any consistent way, no matter how much anyone wants it to be the case.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: booch on September 25, 2019, 06:02:12 PM
Those who say Streveler is playing well would be happy with the first half.  ... Well, most of it anyhow.  The interception was awful football on his part.
His play in the second half was dismal at best.  Some will say the scheme was responsible, and I'm sure it was not perfect but his execution was not good for the entire half.
Count me amongst those who want the guy to succeed.  At the minute, I am convinced a fit Nichols is our best bet but if and when Streveler outplays him, we are better off.  It has not yet reached that point in any consistent way, no matter how much anyone wants it to be the case.

That interception wasn't awful football on anybodies part on offence...give yourself a slap....man that DB made a very intuitive read and jumped a route..he gambled and won...plain and simple. If the primary call was to his guy and he under-cut like he did...he's scorched for a TD...That was a a good football play...nothing more..nothing less


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on September 25, 2019, 06:17:21 PM
Those who say Streveler is playing well would be happy with the first half.  ... Well, most of it anyhow.  The interception was awful football on his part.
His play in the second half was dismal at best.  Some will say the scheme was responsible, and I'm sure it was not perfect but his execution was not good for the entire half.
Count me amongst those who want the guy to succeed.  At the minute, I am convinced a fit Nichols is our best bet but if and when Streveler outplays him, we are better off.  It has not yet reached that point in any consistent way, no matter how much anyone wants it to be the case.

Our offence put up 31 points against a tough defence. That's good football. Yes, they struggled in the 2nd half, but that was scheme and playcalling.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on September 25, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
That interception wasn't awful football on anybodies part on offence...give yourself a slap....man that DB made a very intuitive read and jumped a route..he gambled and won...plain and simple. If the primary call was to his guy and he under-cut like he did...he's scorched for a TD...That was a a good football play...nothing more..nothing less

For sure. It wasn't a badly thrown ball and it wasn't a bad read. Just a real nice play by their D. It happens.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: lenny on September 25, 2019, 06:42:29 PM
Those who say Streveler is playing well would be happy with the first half.  ... Well, most of it anyhow.  The interception was awful football on his part.
His play in the second half was dismal at best.  Some will say the scheme was responsible, and I'm sure it was not perfect but his execution was not good for the entire half.
Count me amongst those who want the guy to succeed.  At the minute, I am convinced a fit Nichols is our best bet but if and when Streveler outplays him, we are better off.  It has not yet reached that point in any consistent way, no matter how much anyone wants it to be the case.

Show me in all the games that Nichols has played in where he has engineered 4/4 TDs. The fifth was an INT but I don't remember Nichols ever engineering an almost perfect half like that.

The other point about the second half. Do you remember the game Nichols played  where the Argos did the big comeback in the second half? Nichols passing yds were a paltry 169 yds, 21/31 67.7% 1 TD. The Bombers scored 7 points in the entire 2nd half. So against a worst team his performance was average at best. Strev. 19/22 180 yds 86.4% 1 TD pass 3 rushing TDs. I see a progressive improvement in Strev plus he is truly developing into a dual threat. I don't see much of threat in Nichols except he can truly game manage. If the Bombers  secondary hadn't crapped the bed in Toronto, Regina and Montreal you could have added 2 more wins to Strev's record.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 25, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
For sure. It wasn't a badly thrown ball and it wasn't a bad read. Just a real nice play by their D. It happens.

It was a play call that should never have been made. That's on the coaches.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 25, 2019, 08:26:39 PM
It was a play call that should never have been made. That's on the coaches.

No way! I liked the play call. LaPolice was actually being aggressive and trying to get another field goal on the board. Lots of people like to fault him for being conservative, well, he wasn't playing it safe there. Obviously Streveler made the wrong decision and threw the pick and that's on him, not the play call. He'll learn from the experience. Good teams stay aggressive. If you want to blame playcalling, blame whatever it is that Hall and LaPolice called in the second half. Those "safe" plays cumulatively lost us the game.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: swansong on September 25, 2019, 08:51:27 PM
No way! I liked the play call. LaPolice was actually being aggressive and trying to get another field goal on the board. Lots of people like to fault him for being conservative, well, he wasn't playing it safe there. Obviously Streveler made the wrong decision and threw the pick and that's on him, not the play call. He'll learn from the experience. Good teams stay aggressive. If you want to blame playcalling, blame whatever it is that Hall and LaPolice called in the second half. Those "safe" plays cumulatively lost us the game.

I hear what you're saying...but the run game was eating the ALS alive at that point...and is a swing pass really an "aggressive" play call? Perhaps more aggressive than a run up the gut but not what I would generally consider "aggressive".

Could just be my perception tho.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 25, 2019, 09:50:56 PM
No way! I liked the play call. LaPolice was actually being aggressive and trying to get another field goal on the board. Lots of people like to fault him for being conservative, well, he wasn't playing it safe there. Obviously Streveler made the wrong decision and threw the pick and that's on him, not the play call. He'll learn from the experience. Good teams stay aggressive. If you want to blame playcalling, blame whatever it is that Hall and LaPolice called in the second half. Those "safe" plays cumulatively lost us the game.

You can be aggressive that's not the issue. Go down the field with a long pass. It was still a relatively short pass with high risk / reward. Not enough time to do that. In the context of time, field position and lead it was a bad call.



Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BigBomberFan on September 25, 2019, 11:10:19 PM
I'm a Streveler fan, but let's not forget that Matt Nichols set the all time Bombers completions in a row record at 19. If memory serves me correctly, I don't believe that he finished the game, either (the post-game analysis seems to indicate that Streveler was in for the 4th quarter).

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/07/19/nichols-sets-franchise-record-bombers-remain-unbeaten-win-redblacks/


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: blue girl on September 25, 2019, 11:40:23 PM
I'm a Streveler fan, but let's not forget that Matt Nichols set the all time Bombers completions in a row record at 19. If memory serves me correctly, I don't believe that he finished the game, either (the post-game analysis seems to indicate that Streveler was in for the 4th quarter).

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/07/19/nichols-sets-franchise-record-bombers-remain-unbeaten-win-redblacks/
That was the game here against the Redblacks. IIRC Nichols was taken out because the Bombers had a big lead.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: dd on September 26, 2019, 12:16:10 AM
No way! I liked the play call. LaPolice was actually being aggressive and trying to get another field goal on the board. Lots of people like to fault him for being conservative, well, he wasn't playing it safe there. Obviously Streveler made the wrong decision and threw the pick and that's on him, not the play call. He'll learn from the experience. Good teams stay aggressive. If you want to blame playcalling, blame whatever it is that Hall and LaPolice called in the second half. Those "safe" plays cumulatively lost us the game.
It was a bad play call. If Lapo has been paying attention, he would have seen the DB s we?re getting twitchy on the short passes and the right call was to call the out and up. That would have resulted in a TD vs lead to a pick


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: northof30 on September 26, 2019, 12:48:45 AM
That interception wasn't awful football on anybodies part on offence...give yourself a slap....man that DB made a very intuitive read and jumped a route..he gambled and won...plain and simple. If the primary call was to his guy and he under-cut like he did...he's scorched for a TD...That was a a good football play...nothing more..nothing less

Except for the fact that it should never have been called in the first place.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 26, 2019, 04:13:33 AM
That interception wasn't awful football on anybodies part on offence...give yourself a slap....man that DB made a very intuitive read and jumped a route..he gambled and won...plain and simple. If the primary call was to his guy and he under-cut like he did...he's scorched for a TD...That was a a good football play...nothing more..nothing less

So everyone has a different opinion.  Problem is, you're all right!
1. DB made a great read, cheat, jump and play
2. Strev didn't see the DB sneaking up, didn't sense it on previous plays, didn't notice it on this play
3. Strev shouldn't have stared it down (if he did) so the DB could cheat; where was one of those great Strev pumpfakes/sneakfakes?
4. Lapo shouldn't call a pass in the congested middle flat
5. Lapo shouldn't call short pass with that score and time on clock
6. Receiver should have known where that DB was and what he was doing and come towards the ball

Everyone blew it.  Apportion the blame percentage to each as you see fit.

Aside, I bet Nichols doesn't throw that ball or pick.  Experience is worth something.

There was one very good outcome from that pick, though: our guys recognized the INT and made the tackle to give our D a chance.  Most of the other INTs this year on our own side of C resulted in 6 or massive gains the other way.  I think with Strev coming in they practised their INT tackles more.  Funny, because Strev has thrown less INTs than I would have predicted (which 1-2 a game).

You can be aggressive that's not the issue. Go down the field with a long pass. It was still a relatively short pass with high risk / reward. Not enough time to do that. In the context of time, field position and lead it was a bad call.

Yes!  Why didn't we make any long passes attempts at all, all game?  Throw it 60 yards and if it INTs there, who really cares.  The DB was cheating up into the flat because we didn't throw any deep!!  Not rocket science, Lapo.

Show me in all the games that Nichols has played in where he has engineered 4/4 TDs. The fifth was an INT but I don't remember Nichols ever engineering an almost perfect half like that.

The other point about the second half. Do you remember the game Nichols played  where the Argos did the big comeback in the second half? Nichols passing yds were a paltry 169 yds, 21/31 67.7% 1 TD. The Bombers scored 7 points in the entire 2nd half.

Nichols engineered the 1:40 2 TD comeback against MTL in the miracle game!

Nichols scored 7 in the 2nd half vs TOR?  That's 4 better than Strev!  I'd take 7 in the 2nd half any day of the week, as that would have won the MTL game for us!

If we had a healthy Nichols on the sideline in that 4th Q, I would have put him in the game on the last and 2nd last series with the full pass playbook open to him.  Bet we would have won the game then!!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 26, 2019, 08:34:22 AM
As for Nichols coming back:

CJOB the other day, probably the Coach's Show, Bob said that Nichols is "weeks" away, then I'm pretty sure he clarified: "like 5 to 6 weeks, or more".

I sure hope Bob is wrong and talking out his butt on this one!  However, he tends to have the skinny.  Not sure why he'd let the cat out of the bag, though, since he knows MOS likes to play injuries close to his vest.

If it's Strev all the way through October, then, assuming he wins what we expect him to win, it's Strev for all the playoffs too.  You can't switch "cold" like that to Nichols with his game 1 being a WSF or WF!  The chances of him being hot and rust-free are very low.

Now, I could easily see us dress both for the playoffs and go with Strev as starter until/if he gets stalled.  Then there's nothing to lose, rust or not, by putting in Nichols.

If Strev loses a ton and we're stuck with a WSF appearance, then I think you have to play Nichols, rust or not, as soon as you can.

If Nichols is ready in 1-3 weeks, you play Nichols immediately, with tons of Strev spelling him and changing looks.

I can't believe our sure-thing GC season may have been ruined by a newly-traded Lemon when we played losers-of-the-west BC in a meaningless game we could have won with McGuire in (hell, we would have won with Darvin at QB) because Bryant has a brainfart and we can't seem to figure out ways to alert our QBs to busts and blindsides like CGY does!
:'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GCn19 on September 26, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
You go with Nichols as soon as he is healthy in any event.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 26, 2019, 02:38:52 PM
You go with Nichols as soon as he is healthy in any event.

Do you? Streveler seems built for cold weather football when passes are harder to connect and the run game is even more important. I like Streveler at least as much as I like Matt.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 26, 2019, 04:29:11 PM
Really interesting read on Nichols vs Streveler: https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/26/ferguson-bombers-evolving-offence-fit-quarterback/


Title: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on September 26, 2019, 09:05:04 PM
Ms Orlesky reports that Nichols underwent season-ending shoulder surgery today.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Pigskin on September 26, 2019, 09:09:17 PM
Matt's out for the year. Terrible news.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Norm W on September 26, 2019, 09:10:10 PM
Figured it was trending that way....

 https://3downnation.com/2019/09/26/bombers-qb-matt-nichols-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-out-for-the-season/ (https://3downnation.com/2019/09/26/bombers-qb-matt-nichols-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-out-for-the-season/)


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: lenny on September 26, 2019, 09:16:45 PM
Wow. Well, it's now or never for Strev. But he's been getting better and better and had a near perfect half last week.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Norm W on September 26, 2019, 09:19:51 PM
Not overly concerned, Streveler has stepped up... added another dimension to the offensive and is only improving with every outing.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on September 26, 2019, 09:21:31 PM
Less concerned today than I was after Week 10.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: fansince79 on September 26, 2019, 09:26:18 PM
30 years it is then. Yaaa team!!!  :(


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: theaardvark on September 26, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
I'm guessing that we will see another QB in town soon... does open up a ton of SMS...  does Anderson come back now there is a roster spot for him?  Or does Tor sell us Franklin after he starts this weekend?  Are they showcasing him? ;)


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Point of attack on September 26, 2019, 09:35:26 PM
Wow. Well, it's now or never for Strev. But he's been getting better and better and had a near perfect half last week.

Hopefully this will bring a measure of stability to the O and the team?s outlook generally.(trying to be positive here)
Streveler has a golden opportunity to establish himself in this league and build on that intangible quality that should serve as a rallying cry for his teammates going forward.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Buck on September 26, 2019, 09:37:00 PM
Yikes...seasons not over, but boy do we ever have back luck.  Whenever we show promise something bad happens..


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Pigskin on September 26, 2019, 09:37:05 PM
Well I hope Matt has a successful recovery whether he's with the bombers next year or no. Classy guy on and off the field.

Good Luck Matt.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on September 26, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
I'd like to see a guy with some experience. We have a deep roster, but with McGuire having zero experience, I'd hate to see us in a Dinwiddie situation again in a playoff game.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: gobombersgo on September 26, 2019, 09:38:33 PM
I'm guessing that we will see another QB in town soon... does open up a ton of SMS...  does Anderson come back now there is a roster spot for him?  Or does Tor sell us Franklin after he starts this weekend?  Are they showcasing him? ;)

It doesn't save a ton of SMS (my guess is the savings will be around 15k for the last 3 games of the season) and it didn't guarantee they will dress 3 QBs.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 26, 2019, 09:39:08 PM
Better team with Stev IMO


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Blue In Edmonton on September 26, 2019, 09:41:55 PM
It doesn't save a ton of SMS (my guess is the savings will be around 15k for the last 3 games of the season) and it didn't guarantee they will dress 3 QBs.

SMS is saved from the time he went on the 6-game. It does afford (pardon the pun) a bit of extra cap space. Any QB that they bring in for the remainder of the season will be paid less than Nichols would have cost against the SMS.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 09:47:56 PM
Well those of you with a Nichols jersey that one never see the light of day with him as a Bomber ever again.
I think/hope the Blue Bombers move on from him this off season with all theses other dudes showing well however I do not know the contract status of Arbuckle and Evans?
But if Streveler takes us to the promise land it would be a no brainer to resign him. Take the ball and run with it boy.

Bob Irving was spot on with that 5-6 week recovery time leaked earlier. In other words he is Gozo.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 09:48:53 PM
By bye Nichols it was fun with ya....sometimes.....I would rather we do not resign him. Damaged goods now.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 09:50:00 PM
I'm guessing that we will see another QB in town soon... does open up a ton of SMS...  does Anderson come back now there is a roster spot for him?  Or does Tor sell us Franklin after he starts this weekend?  Are they showcasing him? ;)
They already a couple days ago

Trevor Knight (QB) (6-0, 188, New Hampshire, December 13, 1995, Amherst, NH) was a three-year starter at UNH and finished fifth in school history in career completions (590) and sixth in passing yards (6,345).


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 26, 2019, 09:55:38 PM
By bye Nichols it was fun with ya....sometimes.....I would rather we do not resign him. Damaged goods now.


Rather have Strev


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 09:57:16 PM

Rather have Strev
At this point yes I agree.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: gobombersgo on September 26, 2019, 10:01:55 PM
It doesn't save a ton of SMS (my guess is the savings will be around 15k for the last 3 games of the season) and it didn't guarantee they will dress 3 QBs.

Sorry, my math was wrong. The savings for the last 3 games would be around 37.5k. They saved about 75k for the first 6 games that Nichols was injured for.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 26, 2019, 10:02:42 PM
I'm less upset than I thought I'd be. I'm not super confident that Streveler can win us a Grey Cup this year but I don't think I'd really be confident that Matt could do it if he would have came back really late. Let the development continue and keep Strev's agent on speed dial.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 26, 2019, 10:03:13 PM
At this point yes I agree.



I think this is something the team needs.

We arnt waiting now....    this is the thing we have to go get the Cup.

Need to get mean and go get it


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: theaardvark on September 26, 2019, 10:05:01 PM
So, no longer "Matt's Team", it is now Streveler's team...


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 26, 2019, 10:06:10 PM
I don't know what the team doctors knew or when they knew it about the prognosis of Nichol's injury.

Hindsight suggests it was a bad decision to not look for another experienced QB to add to the roster.

Streveler's running ability is a unique strength he has shown. The concern is whether he can survive the rest of the season injury free with that style. At some point defenses will begin to make him become more of a passer and less or a running QB.

He's been progressing in that area but is there a balance that will work and also keep him healthy?


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: BigBomberFan on September 26, 2019, 10:09:05 PM
Sorry to hear about Nichols--definetely time to have a Strevelation. As someone mentioned, come colder weather time, Streveler is better suited for the run game and the intangibles factor.

Might not be a bad idea to bring an experienced QB in as a backup, and Franklin still seems to make the most sense.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 10:09:33 PM
I'm less upset than I thought I'd be. I'm not super confident that Streveler can win us a Grey Cup this year but I don't think I'd really be confident that Matt could do it if he would have came back really late. Let the development continue and keep Strev's agent on speed dial.
Ya that is pretty much my mindset at this point as well.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 10:12:34 PM


I think this is something the team needs.

We arnt waiting now....    this is the thing we have to go get the Cup.

Need to get mean and go get it
Exactly! Player Leadership like Harris, Biggie, Miller need to take charge of that room and say. This is our Man at QB boys let?s go end this god dam GC streak!


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 26, 2019, 10:12:52 PM
By bye Nichols it was fun with ya....sometimes.....I would rather we do not resign him. Damaged goods now.

When did you get your degree as a doctor?

Is BLM also now damaged goods in your new medical opinion? Masoli, Franklin and Harris?

We don't know what the exact injury was or whether it is going to be career limiting. It may be and it may not be. Non QB's but what about Oliveria, Alexander, Briggs among others with severe and / or season ending injuries?

You don't want Nichols back that's fine


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 26, 2019, 10:15:05 PM
Exactly! Player Leadership like Harris, Biggie, Miller need to take charge of that room and say. This is our Man at QB boys let?s go end this god dam GC streak!

It would be foolish to think that the team leaders weren't already 100% behind Streveler. It's very probable the players were more informed about Nichols status than us. They got to speak with him every day.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: BigBomberFan on September 26, 2019, 10:18:44 PM
In all honesty, Streveler looks like he has a really good rapport with the players, and his leadership skills seem to make him a natural fit here. I feel sorry for Nichols, because this is exactly how pro athletes lose their jobs..... to younger players with lots of potential that cost less to keep around.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 26, 2019, 10:20:43 PM
The first goal is to keep Streveler healthy for the rest of the season. The second goal is to get into the playoffs.

Then it's anyone's game to win.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 10:22:29 PM
When did you get your degree as a doctor?

Is BLM also now damaged goods in your new medical opinion? Masoli, Franklin and Harris?

We don't know what the exact injury was or whether it is going to be career limiting. It may be and it may not be. Non QB's but what about Oliveria, Alexander, Briggs among others with severe and / or season ending injuries?

You don't want Nichols back that's fine
No I am only a doctor in some quantity areas ;) but Nichols has a laundry list of getting hurt and getting hurt bad going back to his days in Edmonton. He is becoming a Buck Pierce like enigma.

BLM got dinged this year for the first time in the CFL and he is back with a vengeance not comparable

Masoli is working on being very injury prone as well. Harris is not as repetitive for big injuries nor is Franklin but he is no good anyways. The others I am not getting into a ridiculous debate on this.

The point is Nichols has a long history of injury and I am not amused.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 10:23:20 PM
It would be foolish to think that the team leaders weren't already 100% behind Streveler. It's very probable the players were more informed about Nichols status than us. They got to speak with him every day.
I hope so as well but now or a couple days ago THEY KNOW Steveler is the man is my point.


Title: Nichols out for the rest of season
Post by: RicoBeBlue on September 26, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
https://3downnation.com/2019/09/26/bombers-qb-matt-nichols-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-out-for-the-season/#

I think we kinda had a feeling it was coming but it still sucks. Moving on, right?


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 10:24:02 PM
The first goal is to keep Streveler healthy for the rest of the season. The second goal is to get into the playoffs.

Then it's anyone's game to win.
3rd is to win the franchises 11th grey cup.


Title: Re: Nichols out for the rest of season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 10:24:20 PM
https://3downnation.com/2019/09/26/bombers-qb-matt-nichols-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-out-for-the-season/#

I think we kinda had a feeling it was coming but it still sucks. Moving on, right?
HELL YES!


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: trapper on September 26, 2019, 10:25:59 PM
Strev can win games that Nichols can't.  But the flipside is also true.

I think Montreal showed how to slow Strev and the Bombers last week. He's going to have to pick up his passing.

Strevler has a great surrounding cast. He can do it.
But I'm not sure he will. I don't see him besting BLM at this point yet.


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: Blue In BC on September 26, 2019, 10:33:49 PM
No I am only a doctor in some quantity areas ;) but Nichols has a laundry list of getting hurt and getting hurt bad going back to his days in Edmonton. He is becoming a Buck Pierce like enigma.

BLM got dinged this year for the first time in the CFL and he is back with a vengeance not comparable

Masoli is working on being very injury prone as well. Harris is not as repetitive for big injuries nor is Franklin but he is no good anyways. The others I am not getting into a ridiculous debate on this.

The point is Nichols has a long history of injury and I am not amused.

Every long history of injuries starts with the 1st big injury.

BLM missed 22 games prior to 2019. This season he lost 7 games. In fact he's only played 18 games in 1 season ( 2018 ) of 8 seasons in the league. Injuries may have been less severe but he's missed time as well.

My point is that it's unfair to suggest he's damaged goods. If you don't want him to return that's all you need to say.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: tlf on September 26, 2019, 10:37:06 PM
I'm less upset than I thought I'd be. I'm not super confident that Streveler can win us a Grey Cup this year but I don't think I'd really be confident that Matt could do it if he would have came back really late. Let the development continue and keep Strev's agent on speed dial.

Matt got us to 9-2? Were 2-2 since then and Strev can?t throw well.  I?m way less confident now. Sure he can run and make different plays but Im not optimistic. 


Title: Re: Nichols
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 10:50:51 PM
Every long history of injuries starts with the 1st big injury.

BLM missed 22 games prior to 2019. This season he lost 7 games. In fact he's only played 18 games in 1 season ( 2018 ) of 8 seasons in the league. Injuries may have been less severe but he's missed time as well.

My point is that it's unfair to suggest he's damaged goods. If you don't want him to return that's all you need to say.
ok I will agree my choice of words maybe was not the best but I think his future in the game staying healthy will be inconsistent at best. He has had it all. The  big injuries and it makes the player more susceptible to getting it bad again.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue girl on September 26, 2019, 10:59:52 PM
Streveler is going to have to show that he can win consistently with his arm otherwise this is going to end up like '93 and '07.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: dd on September 26, 2019, 11:22:30 PM
Matt got us to 9-2? Were 2-2 since then and Strev can?t throw well.  I?m way less confident now. Sure he can run and make different plays but Im not optimistic. 
Should be 3-1 but we collectively blew a 24 point lead. Not concerned about Strev at all and his lack of passing numbers. Our team lives and dies by the run and besides it?s not like nichols had a 300 yd passing game in like a year. Strevs passing yds are similar and he adds a running dimension nichols never could. Moving on...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: buckzumhoff on September 26, 2019, 11:22:59 PM
Strev can win games that Nichols can't.  But the flipside is also true.

I think Montreal showed how to slow Strev and the Bombers last week. He's going to have to pick up his passing.

Strevler has a great surrounding cast. He can do it.
But I'm not sure he will. I don't see him besting BLM at this point yet.


I agree. Streveller kind of panics. when the defense is showing they are going to rush . Im glad we have a good back up in McGuire and go with 2 quarterbacks.  I hope Oshea doesn't stick with one and wait til late in the 4th quarter.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: BBRT on September 26, 2019, 11:26:37 PM
Strev can win games that Nichols can't.  But the flipside is also true.

I think Montreal showed how to slow Strev and the Bombers last week. He's going to have to pick up his passing.

Strevler has a great surrounding cast. He can do it.
But I'm not sure he will. I don't see him besting BLM at this point yet.

I really do not see anyone besting Calgary regardless of who the QB happens to be. I think Strev will pick up his passing game and when the weather turns it is defense and the run game that might carry the day. It is the Bomber defense and more to the point Richie Hall that worries me. I would love to see a Western Final in the Peg but IMHO to get to the cup you will probably need to go though Calgary and that has always been a grave yard for any Bomber team.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: blue girl on September 26, 2019, 11:34:22 PM
I really do not see anyone besting Calgary regardless of who the QB happens to be. I think Strev will pick up his passing game and when the weather turns it is defense and the run game that might carry the day. It is the Bomber defense and more to the point Richie Hall that worries me. I would love to see a Western Final in the Peg but IMHO to get to the cup you will probably need to go though Calgary and that has always been a grave yard for any Bomber team.
I have to admit that until we improve our secondary we're going to have trouble beating Calgary.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: fansince79 on September 26, 2019, 11:51:20 PM
Better team with Stev IMO


Umm no. 9-2 with Nichols, 2-2 with Streveler.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 26, 2019, 11:52:45 PM

Umm no. 9-2 with Nichols, 2-2 with Streveler.
Coming from someone who detested Nichols. ::)


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: GCn19 on September 27, 2019, 12:51:56 AM
I really do not see anyone besting Calgary regardless of who the QB happens to be. I think Strev will pick up his passing game and when the weather turns it is defense and the run game that might carry the day. It is the Bomber defense and more to the point Richie Hall that worries me. I would love to see a Western Final in the Peg but IMHO to get to the cup you will probably need to go though Calgary and that has always been a grave yard for any Bomber team.

The closet Calgary fan has spoken. Seriously have you ever made a post here without stating that you think Calgary is better than us?  Seriously it's an endless stream of your lips to the Stamps derriere.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: GCn19 on September 27, 2019, 12:55:00 AM

I agree. Streveller kind of panics. when the defense is showing they are going to rush . Im glad we have a good back up in McGuire and go with 2 quarterbacks.  I hope Oshea doesn't stick with one and wait til late in the 4th quarter.

We have no idea what we have in McGuire. A trade for an experienced QB might be a good idea.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: thunderNlightning on September 27, 2019, 12:59:18 AM
When is the trade deadline?


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 27, 2019, 01:11:10 AM
We are better now


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Ducky on September 27, 2019, 01:13:46 AM
Streveler is going to have to show that he can win consistently with his arm otherwise this is going to end up like '93 and '07.
  Defense is going to have to show they can win consistently (even with 20+ point leads).


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 27, 2019, 01:14:05 AM
We are better now
well we sure as heck are not as deep. We are better only if Streveler continues to become a better slinger. And he just may...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: New_Earth_Mud on September 27, 2019, 01:20:55 AM
well we sure as heck are not as deep. We are better only if Streveler continues to become a better slinger. And he just may...

As it gets colder


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 27, 2019, 01:21:42 AM
As it gets colder
I just hope things happen for a reason and the football gods are smiling down on us now.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: lenny on September 27, 2019, 01:37:42 AM
The Bombers lead the league in ave yds rushing.  Strev is a big part of that.Strev is primed  for the fall! ;)


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: RebusRankin on September 27, 2019, 02:34:13 AM
So since some here are blaming Streveler for being 2-2 and Crediting Nichols for 9-2, which game of those 9 did he win for us? I'd argue you can credit the D and ST for the 9 wins under Nichols, plus 5 of those wins came against the three worst clubs in the CFL.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Pigskin on September 27, 2019, 02:38:47 AM
Agree Fansince79 is a little off. Matt was 7-2, Strv17 is 2-2. However every team that Strv17 has started against at the time was above 500.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols Season Over
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 27, 2019, 02:51:49 AM
Matt got us to 9-2? Were 2-2 since then and Strev can?t throw well.  I?m way less confident now. Sure he can run and make different plays but Im not optimistic. 

I'm willing to give Streveler plenty of rhope but I don't think relying on his ability to run the ball as heavily as they have been is going to get them very far in the playoffs, this isn't 1947.  Running the ball is generally a slow deliberate way to score points and if they come up against a QB with a hot hand that can score quickly they are unlikely to keep pace and will probably exhaust themselves in the process.  Maybe we saw a bit of this in Montreal already, is it sustainable?  In order for Streveler to get this team deep into the playoffs as he is now playing, the D is going to have to play lights out and keep the score low.  I don't have a lot of confidence in that scenario either.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: dd on September 27, 2019, 02:52:01 AM
I just hope things happen for a reason and the football gods are smiling down on us now.
Things do happen for a reason. This is Strevs time to shine and he will.  Nichols was hot and cold and sometimes frozen. Strev is getting progressively better and wouldn?t have had this chance if not for the injury. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out and it will no doubt have a bearing on who?s are starter in 2020


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Pigskin on September 27, 2019, 03:10:39 AM
I would try and bring in some experience at QB. This is the CFL, QB's drop like flies. Strv17 has 5 more games to make all the improvements he needs to take us deep into the playoffs.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 27, 2019, 05:19:51 AM
Well, our slow, methodical, bit by bit, yearly improvement approach to getting to the GC just went out the window.  And it's so aggravating because (except for the WR debacle) The Mafia had done a great job positioning us for the GC this year!

Nichols was our best shot at achieving our goals this year.  We could have taken 6 games away, but now stuck with Strev the entire season and playoffs?

Strev's as good as any other backup.  Maybe even better.  But Strev's a backup.  A guy with under 10 games starting, and 2 years in the CFL.  You tell me, when's the last time a guy like that won the GC?  Or even got to the GC?

So now we're back to hope and luck, like '15-'18.  Sigh.  Oh well, at least Strev is good enough to give us great hope, and the team is good enough to make its own luck.  But it's going to be tough slogging now to get that #1 in the W, win the WF, and get to the GC.  And it may require a miracle to do all that and win the big one too.

As for CGY, they just have to be CGY and play CGY ball.  No hope & luck required.

ARGH!!!

At least we now have a bona fide ready-made excuse for failing yet again.  We may just have to be content with only getting a better record and farther in the playoffs than SSK.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: bigbuff33 on September 27, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
As Bob Irving stated on Twitter yesterday...

Strev may be solid...but what if he goes down early in tonight's game...

McGwire has not seen one down of action...

Bombers have to get a vet in here...gambling the season hoping Strev doesn't get hurt


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Jesse on September 27, 2019, 11:04:03 AM
You're not gambling the season if you can't win with a third string QB.

We're not going to win with anyone but Matt or Strev.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 27, 2019, 11:09:50 AM
I really don't get the concern some are talking about in regards to Streveler and this throwing ability... he runs the plays given to him...  last week he was 19 of 22, 86.3%, for 180 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT... throw in the Adams toss to Harris and we had 254 throwing yards...  then when you throw in the 174 yards of rushing, it was the most total offense we have had all year long against a team not named Ottawa, 421 total yards of offense...

not to mention that our 2nd down conversion rate is up almost 10 percentage points over the last 4 games, from 48.3% to 57.6%... fewer 2 and outs, and fewer punts as well...

Streveler has steadily increased in passing numbers weekly, plus the O line has been playing better as of late... also, over the last 2 games he's shown the ability to throw the ball with a lot of touch... his senior year in college he threw for over 4,000 yards... sure, college doesn't necessarily translate, but, if you can hit a open receiver in college you can hit an open receiver in the pro's...  Lapo just needs to call the plays and let him do his thing... sure, he's going to still make mistakes here and there, but, so does Reilly and BLM, both considered to be the cream of the crop...

Streveler is 2-2 as the starter, but, he could just as easily been 4-0, and actually should be...

it's unfortunate for Matt and I wish him the best, but, this is probably what's best for the team right now... if there was really a chance to bring Matt back this year I would have to believe that it would have been at less than 100%... we're a better team moving forward all things considered...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: M.O.A.B. on September 27, 2019, 11:32:18 AM
As Bob Irving stated on Twitter yesterday...

Strev may be solid...but what if he goes down early in tonight's game...

McGwire has not seen one down of action...

Bombers have to get a vet in here...gambling the season hoping Strev doesn't get hurt

any names in mind?

Burris, Ray and Lulay are all retired.
Glenn. said No.
Willy. said No.
Durant? No.

We can swing a trade for any of Franklin, MBT, Davis or Jennings... but for what cost?

Bridge... maybe that's the only choice. but I rather see what McGuire can do if get to that point.



Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 27, 2019, 11:49:37 AM
Getting Bridge is good enough for me.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 3rdand1.5 on September 27, 2019, 12:18:40 PM
I really don't get the concern some are talking about in regards to Streveler and this throwing ability... he runs the plays given to him...  last week he was 19 of 22, 86.3%, for 180 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT... throw in the Adams toss to Harris and we had 254 throwing yards...  then when you throw in the 174 yards of rushing, it was the most total offense we have had all year long against a team not named Ottawa, 421 total yards of offense...

not to mention that our 2nd down conversion rate is up almost 10 percentage points over the last 4 games, from 48.3% to 57.6%... fewer 2 and outs, and fewer punts as well...

Streveler has steadily increased in passing numbers weekly, plus the O line has been playing better as of late... also, over the last 2 games he's shown the ability to throw the ball with a lot of touch... his senior year in college he threw for over 4,000 yards... sure, college doesn't necessarily translate, but, if you can hit a open receiver in college you can hit an open receiver in the pro's...  Lapo just needs to call the plays and let him do his thing... sure, he's going to still make mistakes here and there, but, so does Reilly and BLM, both considered to be the cream of the crop...

Streveler is 2-2 as the starter, but, he could just as easily been 4-0, and actually should be...

it's unfortunate for Matt and I wish him the best, but, this is probably what's best for the team right now... if there was really a chance to bring Matt back this year I would have to believe that it would have been at less than 100%... we're a better team moving forward all things considered...

Spot on IMO,  I could not have Said it better


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Ridermania on September 27, 2019, 12:24:07 PM
Getting Bridge is good enough for me.

I agree on Bridge and stated this the day after Nichols went down.



Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 27, 2019, 12:53:42 PM
Sadly, Bridge is probably the best choice at this point. That isn't saying much, though.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: trapper on September 27, 2019, 12:58:10 PM
Sadly, Bridge is probably the best choice at this point. That isn't saying much, though.


With Bridge you wouldn't have to change Strev's playbook if he went down.  They are similar in many respects.  There is logic to that.

Would be neat to see a starting Nat QB with a starting Nat RB....


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: TBURGESS on September 27, 2019, 01:05:38 PM
Too bad for Nichols. I kind of thought this would be the result when MOS said he'd be back in 4 or 5 weeks. In MOS speak that means out for the season. The silver lining is that MOS won't have to make the tough QB decision until the off season. If Streveler shows he's the man, and I think he will, then Nichols has likely played his last game in Bomber blue.

Streveler is our only QB with any experience. I'd trade for a backup RFN. Heck, I'd have traded for a backup (Franklin) weeks ago when Nichols first went down and he'd have a month of experience in our offence by now.

Folks constantly and wrongly use wins as a QB stat. Streveler's played well enough to win all his games. Not his fault that the defence didn't do their part in 2 of them.

I was ready to move on from Nichols in the off season. Trade him. Get something for him and use his salary to make the team better in other ways.

I think we are a better team with Streveler than we are with Nichols and I don't care about the years of experience. Streveler is throwing for almost as many yards as Nichols was and he's running the ball too. 5 more games of experience should get him to the next level before he needs to win us a playoff game. The last game showed me that PLAP is making changes to work with Streveler's strengths. More of that to come will make our offence even better.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on September 27, 2019, 01:14:41 PM
Bringing an experienced QB is a nice thought but the reality is if Streveler goes down we are done for the year. You don't win the Grey Cup with a third string QB. There isn't a QB option we could realistically trade for that could parashoot in and win it all.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: M.O.A.B. on September 27, 2019, 01:19:16 PM
Bringing an experienced QB is a nice thought but the reality is if Streveler goes down we are done for the year. You don't win the Grey Cup with a third string QB. There isn't a QB option we could realistically trade for that could parashoot in and win it all.

This.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Blue In BC on September 27, 2019, 01:34:03 PM
Streveler's win / loss record should be better than it turned out. At least 1 loss in 2018 and a couple this season were not his fault. So we shouldn't worry about that per se.

I think the lower passing yardage from both QB's is at least partially due to Lapo. To that end I'm not exactly sure what Streveler can do if allowed to turn it loose a bit more at times.

My only real concern now is if he gets injured. He's a tough physical athlete but his style may lead to injury and then we're down to a pure rookie.

I don't really believe there are many trade or free agency acquisitions that will really help but we should look again. Trades are hard to find and complete. Who  are we willing to get up for a short term rental?


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 27, 2019, 02:07:00 PM
 
You're not gambling the season if you can't win with a third string QB.

We're not going to win with anyone but Matt or Strev.

Bringing an experienced QB is a nice thought but the reality is if Streveler goes down we are done for the year. You don't win the Grey Cup with a third string QB. There isn't a QB option we could realistically trade for that could parashoot in and win it all.

Certainly we have vastly reduced chances of winning it all if Strev gets injured regardless of who is here, but that doesn't mean you throw in the towel if that were to happen. We have to add the tools that give us the best chance, even if marginally. To me that's worth an asset. Heck, had I known we were going to release Matthews, I would have advocated we try to use him in a deal to get Franklin here to back up Strev.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 27, 2019, 02:10:51 PM

Certainly we have vastly reduced chances of winning it all if Strev gets injured regardless of who is here, but that doesn't mean you throw in the towel if that were to happen. We have to add the tools that give us the best chance, even if marginally. To me that's worth an asset. Heck, had I known we were going to release Matthews, I would have advocated we try to use him in a deal to get Franklin here to back up Strev.

that's what I was thinking as well...  maybe they did try to shop him but it seemed more like "we're done with ya, here's your apple and road map, thx!"...

but with the QB options available, is it really worth spending the money?  I know that it would be nice to have someone available if need be, but...  I don't know... that's why I'm not a GM...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue_or_die on September 27, 2019, 02:14:06 PM
that's what I was thinking as well...  maybe they did try to shop him but it seemed more like "we're done with ya, here's your apple and road map, thx!"...

but with the QB options available, is it really worth spending the money?  I know that it would be nice to have someone available if need be, but...  I don't know... that's why I'm not a GM...

I think it's worth it. I am a cheap Winnipegger but we have to go out and potentially risk getting a not-value-for-money deal for the sake of giving us, like I said, even a marginally better chance.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: John T. on September 27, 2019, 02:14:30 PM
The great thing about the offense Streveler is running is that it takes incredibly huge amounts of time off the clock, and doesn't allow the opponent's offence to get untracked.

As long as the offence doesn't get overly conservative/stupid, this is exactly the kind of offence that can win the Grey Cup.

Think of the losses the Bombers have had this year (Hamilton excepted, because that was the one game the Bombers were genuinely outplayed from beginning to end) - Toronto, Saskatchewan, and Montreal.

When did it go bad for the Bombers? It went bad when the offence got stupid and stopped taking time off the clock. Toronto, Saskatchewan, and Montreal were able to strike quick and effectively when their offences actually had enough time on the field to get into a rhythm, and their defences were able to get rested.

When the Bombers' offence was actually working well, driving downfield and eating up time, they made all three of those teams look horrible, both offensively and defensively. If they hadn't gone into that stupid risk-averse, two-and-out shell in the fourth quarter, the team would be 12-1 today, using exactly the same offence that some of you think won't work.

That's the key - keep doing what they're doing, and keep doing it properly. If the Bombers had avoided even a single two-and-out series in the fourth quarter, they would have won all three of those games.

No team's offence, even Calgary's, is going to sit on the bench for six minutes at a stretch while the Bombers march downfield, and respond by coming on and scoring quickly in response. It virtually never works that way, other than the occasional fluke. Teams that score quickly have a rhythm going.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: theaardvark on September 27, 2019, 02:18:24 PM
I think what BOb is referring to is the Dinwiddie syndrome... some CFL experience is better than none at all.   

Have to wonder if TOR is actually showcasing Franklin for a trade by starting him this weekend...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Waffler on September 27, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
I think what BOb is referring to is the Dinwiddie syndrome... some CFL experience is better than none at all.   

He sees McGuire every day in practice. Bob knows.  McGuire is in no way ready to lead a team.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: BlueInCgy on September 27, 2019, 02:49:23 PM
I'm in the "Bring in another QB", even if it's Bridge, and honestly, that's not the worst situation in the world, as he could be implemented in a very similar offense to what Strev will run.

I'd prefer to avoid Dinwiddie 2.0 if at all possible.  Bridge as an emergency starter today > Dinwiddie in 2007.

Franklin?  Sure, why not, if the price is right.

If we've got room to spend the money, and it looks like we do, it's the time to do it.  As the saying goes "Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it."

No point bringing in big receivers if we don't have someone to throw to them.

As far a Matt goes, timing could not be worse for him.  Hard to negotiate a fat new contract when missing half a season and coming off an injury to your throwing arm, especially if Strev has success.
OTOH, best possible timing for Strev.  He could go from ELC to starter money year 3 if he continues to improve.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on September 27, 2019, 03:45:30 PM
I'm in the "Bring in another QB", even if it's Bridge, and honestly, that's not the worst situation in the world, as he could be implemented in a very similar offense to what Strev will run.

I'd prefer to avoid Dinwiddie 2.0 if at all possible.  Bridge as an emergency starter today > Dinwiddie in 2007.

Franklin?  Sure, why not, if the price is right.

If we've got room to spend the money, and it looks like we do, it's the time to do it.  As the saying goes "Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it."

No point bringing in big receivers if we don't have someone to throw to them.

As far a Matt goes, timing could not be worse for him.  Hard to negotiate a fat new contract when missing half a season and coming off an injury to your throwing arm, especially if Strev has success.
OTOH, best possible timing for Strev.  He could go from ELC to starter money year 3 if he continues to improve.

I think I would rather have Bridge than Franklin. I think Franklin is beyond terrible.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: BBRT on September 27, 2019, 03:52:16 PM
With Nichols gone for the balance of the season we will just have to continue as we have been with what we have. Long term 2020 will be interesting as no one knows what a 2020 version of Nichols will look like.  I think given the fall weather conditions (we are expecting snow here in Calgary as soon as today) we may be in good shape with Stev.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: lenny on September 27, 2019, 04:01:05 PM
I think I would rather have Bridge than Franklin. I think Franklin is beyond terrible.

Depends what you want. They've played close to the same amount of games (Bridge 25) Franklin (28) but the better passer is Franklin 4065 yds to Bridge's 2485 yds and even averaging 250 yds per for three more games  with Bridge he's still a way long away from Franklin. Bridge 13TDs 8 INTs and Franklin 22TD 13 INT. With Bridge you have the better runner but with my backup I want a better passer. Maybe if anything it's a wash. Pick your poison.lol.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Ridermania on September 27, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
I think I would rather have Bridge than Franklin. I think Franklin is beyond terrible.

Bridge should have been signed and practicing with the Bombers for over a month already!


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Stretch on September 27, 2019, 04:32:52 PM
Bridge should have been signed and practicing with the Bombers for over a month already!

Says the Rider fan that wants him anywhere but the 306 area code.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Pigskin on September 27, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
BB does have a strong arm.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue girl on September 27, 2019, 07:53:24 PM
I've been saying all along to bring in a QB with some experience. I can't go through '07 again.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Pigskin on September 27, 2019, 08:09:09 PM
The bombers are not going to bring in a QB unless he can help the team. So far they haven't found a QB that can help the team, or a QB at the right price. I think the current management really doesn't think about the past.   


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Waffler on September 27, 2019, 08:14:37 PM
So far they haven't found a QB that can help the team, or a QB at the right price.

Nothing would be announced until after our game or perhaps the other team's game if we are trading. I suspect MOS stands pat though.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Blue In BC on September 27, 2019, 10:05:07 PM
I don't think it's in Walter's box of tricks to make a trade now. IMO he'll go with those on the roster and hope for no more injuries at the QB position. It's a risk but so are all the other alternatives combined with giving up assets.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: thunderNlightning on September 27, 2019, 10:15:48 PM
What scares the living crap out of me now, is the way the Bombers are using Streveler and how aggressive he runs the ball. Every game I have watched him play he comes up laboring with some type of injury. He himself might not make it to the end of the season, then what?


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Blue In BC on September 27, 2019, 10:49:26 PM
What scares the living crap out of me now, is the way the Bombers are using Streveler and how aggressive he runs the ball. Every game I have watched him play he comes up laboring with some type of injury. He himself might not make it to the end of the season, then what?

That's my concern as well. Any QB can get hit and injured but the more often you get hit the greater opportunity there is for an injury.

It's not just that he gets hit but he's often the hammer and / or in difficult positions when getting hit by multiple defenders.

I get that he's a bit of a physical freak and sometimes those players just seem to avoid injury.

We can win with him. I would like to see his passing develop more so he becomes a greater dual threat to reduce the wear and tear.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: BigBomberFan on September 27, 2019, 11:11:42 PM
What scares the living crap out of me now, is the way the Bombers are using Streveler and how aggressive he runs the ball. Every game I have watched him play he comes up laboring with some type of injury. He himself might not make it to the end of the season, then what?

Agreed, but I will have to say that Streveler isn't built like the typical QB......more like a receiver or a linebacker. Still, as some have mentioned, we don't want to run the risk of getting Dinwiddied.

On the bright side, I find the term "Dinwiddied" funny, but it also is kind of an in-joke that many non-Bombers fans will really get that really illustrates a situation that we never want to be in again. If you're a competitive team, you need to take extra precautions to make sure that your weakest link is still better than average. As a performance car guy, for example, you don't drop in a huge horsepower engine and go to the race with a weak transmission or bad tires.

Also, as the season winds down, we want to make sure that those better options at QB don't get taken by the other teams that we're competing with. Hamilton has already lost Masoli, and though Dane Evans is doing well, he also has no playoff experience, and Hamilton has no guarantee that he'll get injured, either. I'd like to say that Kevin Glenn is the best insurance policy at this point (much like when we brought him back here, what, two or three years ago later in the season?), but he's no longer an option.

We'll see how Shiltz does, and if he shiltz the bed, someone like Montreal may go after one of the best remaining available QB options as a backup measure.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Big Daddy on September 28, 2019, 12:10:40 AM
Streveler is definitely NOT built like a receiver.  That's like saying a bull mastiff looks like a greyhound.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 28, 2019, 02:35:56 AM
the TSN guys said tonight during the game that the Bombers have said that they won't be bringing in another QB this season...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: kkc60 on September 28, 2019, 02:39:27 AM
the TSN guys said tonight during the game that the Bombers have said that they won't be bringing in another QB this season...
Least of my concerns tbh.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blueandgoldguy on September 28, 2019, 02:49:19 AM
If the Bombers think it is fine to have a backup with 0 snaps in the regular season, and not make a trade, I guess it isn't surprising this organization has gone nearly 30 years without a Grey Cup.  Striving for decency, not greatness.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: In Motion on September 28, 2019, 03:05:08 AM
Least of my concerns tbh.

Well, if Strev goes down it will definitely be a huge concern.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: kkc60 on September 28, 2019, 03:12:22 AM
Well, if Strev goes down it will definitely be a huge concern.
Well yeah but then of course the BB will bring a guy in then


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: In Motion on September 28, 2019, 03:39:32 AM
Well yeah but then of course the BB will bring a guy in then

Well, good luck having him learn the playbook!   


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 28, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
Well, good luck having him learn the playbook!   

how hard is it to learn to hand off to Harris on 1st and then throw a screen pass on 2nd?  lol... I joke... not really...   ;D


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: In Motion on September 28, 2019, 03:46:22 AM
how hard is it to learn to hand off to Harris on 1st and then throw a screen pass on 2nd?  lol... I joke... not really...   ;D

This is true. LOL!


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue girl on September 28, 2019, 03:52:15 AM
I can't believe that they're not going to bring another QB in. This is why they'll never win anything.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Pigskin on September 28, 2019, 04:01:36 AM
I like Sarah, but she doesn't know everything. If the bombers are looking at another QB I am sure there not going let it out of the bag who there looking at. I mean come on, MOS hardly gives an answer to any question.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 28, 2019, 04:08:40 AM
I like Sarah, but she doesn't know everything. If the bombers are looking at another QB I am sure there not going let it out of the bag who there looking at. I mean come on, MOS hardly gives an answer to any question.

I'll take "upper body injury" for $1,000, Alex...  ;D

it was one of the guys that said it though, I just can't remember which one... I hardly ever listen to Sarah, actually... I just stare tentatively and enjoy, lol... shoot me, I know, lol...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: pjrocksmb on September 28, 2019, 05:41:25 AM
I can't believe that they're not going to bring another QB in. This is why they'll never win anything.
Way overstated, disagree.

Team likes the QBs we have.  Bringing in a QB likely would just end up costing us money or development time for our young QBs or both.
I like Sarah, but she doesn't know everything. If the bombers are looking at another QB I am sure there not going let it out of the bag who there looking at. I mean come on, MOS hardly gives an answer to any question.
Nah, MOS said they are not.  I can believe that.  Things could change but I doubt it.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: Pigskin on September 28, 2019, 05:47:41 AM
And you think that MOS tells the Winnipeg Blue Bombers fans the truth week in and week out??


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 28, 2019, 08:02:37 AM
No team's offence is going to sit on the bench for six minutes at a stretch while the Bombers march downfield, and respond by coming on and scoring quickly in response. It virtually never works that way, other than the occasional fluke. Teams that score quickly have a rhythm going.

Except HAM tonight on their first TD drive!  Doh!

All the "bench Nichols" "Strev is better" people this year never take into account Nichols' experience and understanding of the game, and ability to read D's.  Strev has none of this: not because he's not capable, but because he's had too few years and snaps!  That is why Nichols always gave us the best chance, and if Nichols hadn't gotten hurt we'd be in a much better place right now!  Where's those deep ball quick leads and easy scores we got with Nichols?  Gone.

Strev's great, but he's a running QB, and the D's have figured him out now that they have enough film.  Plus, Strev still doesn't have half the playbook Nichols had, and Lapo has completely dropped the deep pass from our book!  Strev may be able to run, but Nichols threatens every part of the field and makes teams play its entirety.  Since Strev shrinks the field, it's that much easier for D's to just stay tight and thus negate his rushing ability for free!

The instant Nichols went down, I said we'd win 50-75% of the games we would have won with Nichols.  Seems about right to me based on our record since.  And since 2nd year, <10 game QBs basically never make it to the GC, we are back to hopes, prayers, dreams and luck.

Well, there is one upside, I don't need to upset the wife this year by flying off to WF's and GC's!!  Unless there's some sort of miracle!

Final note: I thought Nichols being announced out for good, and Strev being made the clear #1 for the remainder of 2019, would lead to a boost in leadership from Strev and morale in the team: not because Strev was better, but because it removed the uncertainty.  Boy, was I wrong.  Maybe the guys really aren't behind Strev as they were Nichols!


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: TBURGESS on September 28, 2019, 02:12:47 PM
Nichols wouldn't have won any of the games that Streveler lost.

We got the big lead in Montreal because we ran a Streveler based offence for the first time. We went back to the Nichols based offence in the second half and frittered the win away.

Nichols wouldn't have gotten out of the pocket anywhere near as often as Streveler did against Hamilton. Likely more sacks, more throw aways, and more short passes to Harris for no first downs.

It doesn't take 8 years to learn to throw the deep ball (Nichols didn't throw a good deep ball until this year). Ricky Ray did it in year 1. We don't have a deep ball offence anyway. Even when we had Nichols, we only threw deep once or twice a game. You gotta do it more often to get good at it.

The whole team got beat last night, not just the QB.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: The Zipp on September 28, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
Nichols wouldn't have won any of the games that Streveler lost.

We got the big lead in Montreal because we ran a Streveler based offence for the first time. We went back to the Nichols based offence in the second half and frittered the win away.

Nichols wouldn't have gotten out of the pocket anywhere near as often as Streveler did against Hamilton. Likely more sacks, more throw aways, and more short passes to Harris for no first downs.

It doesn't take 8 years to learn to throw the deep ball (Nichols didn't throw a good deep ball until this year). Ricky Ray did it in year 1. We don't have a deep ball offence anyway. Even when we had Nichols, we only threw deep once or twice a game. You gotta do it more often to get good at it.

The whole team got beat last night, not just the QB.


Having been at the game yesterday I do disagree a bit...there were open receivers and Strev panicked and missed them...Adams and Demski were wide open a few times. Nichols is just better at seeing the field and reading defences - he just is cause he has more experience.  One or two connections on those and it could be a different game with respect to momentum. 

But yes the team got their butts kicked by a better coached, more talented squad.  Hamilton is very, very good


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: TBURGESS on September 28, 2019, 02:25:30 PM
Having been at the game yesterday I do disagree a bit...there were open receivers and Strev panicked and missed them...Adams and Demski were wide open a few times. Nichols is just better at seeing the field and reading defences - he just is cause he has more experience.  One or two connections on those and it could be a different game with respect to momentum. 

But yes the team got their butts kicked by a better coached, more talented squad.  Hamilton is very, very good
I can't see the all 24 from my TV, so I'll take your word for it that there are open receivers that Streveler didn't see. Just cuz they're open doesn't mean that they are the #1 or #2 read. Experience or not, with Hamilton's pressure last night, I doubt any QB gets to their #3 read.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue_gold_84 on September 28, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
You can't use speculation to prop up absolute statements.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: lenny on September 28, 2019, 02:46:08 PM
Having been at the game yesterday I do disagree a bit...there were open receivers and Strev panicked and missed them...Adams and Demski were wide open a few times. Nichols is just better at seeing the field and reading defences - he just is cause he has more experience.  One or two connections on those and it could be a different game with respect to momentum. 

But yes the team got their butts kicked by a better coached, more talented squad.  Hamilton is very, very good

I guess you have to look at how Matt did the last time we played the Ti-Cats? The 3 INTs and 15 points on the board with a passing efficiency of 57.44 for Matt. Strev had a passing efficiency of 81.85 in this game. To your point about the Ti-Cats. Yeah they're good but they lost to Montreal, Sask. and Calgary. They barely beat BC twice (35-34 and 13-10) and they barely and almost lost to Edmonton last week(30-27) with a stinker back up. I think this illustrates the problem is more with the Bombers than it is lauding a team which has it's own achilles heel. Their D pass defence isn't much better than the Bombers which is crappy 6th and T-Cats 5th as before the last game. The same D which Matt himself couldn't penetrate let alone Strev. Pass protection? Strev was sacked 5 times yesterday and their guy only once i.e., pressure D. Totally absent. That rookie QB had all day to pick apart the secondary as bad as it already is.



Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue girl on September 28, 2019, 08:02:22 PM
Bob Irving said on the post game show that when they asked O'Shea about bringing in another QB on the pregame show he emphatically said that they wouldn't. I was also at the game and noticed receivers open downfield but either Streveler couldn't see them or he's afraid to throw the ball deep.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 29, 2019, 03:40:38 AM
Bob Irving said on the post game show that when they asked O'Shea about bringing in another QB on the pregame show he emphatically said that they wouldn't. I was also at the game and noticed receivers open downfield but either Streveler couldn't see them or he's afraid to throw the ball deep.

or, option 3, the primary target was open as well and he delivered the ball to the primary target as the play was called for him...

I show completions of 21, 24, 23, 19, 18, and 17 yards, and 8 more throws of 10+ yards, defended (knocked down) passes of 24 and 33 yards, and another completion of 24 yards, as well as 2 more shorter passes, nullified by a holding penalty... given the protection he was getting I think those numbers aren't that bad...

however, there were still 9 targets to Harris, 6 completions for a total of 34 yds, 24 yards were YAC, which translates to screen passes or at/near the line of scrimmage...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: blue girl on September 29, 2019, 04:13:42 AM
or, option 3, the primary target was open as well and he delivered the ball to the primary target as the play was called for him...

I show completions of 21, 24, 23, 19, 18, and 17 yards, and 8 more throws of 10+ yards, defended (knocked down) passes of 24 and 33 yards, and another completion of 24 yards, as well as 2 more shorter passes, nullified by a holding penalty... given the protection he was getting I think those numbers aren't that bad...

however, there were still 9 targets to Harris, 6 completions for a total of 34 yds, 24 yards were YAC, which translates to screen passes or at/near the line of scrimmage...
But I wasn't the only one to see it though. A couple of times he either held on to the ball and got a couple of yards or threw a short pass and people around me were shouting that there was a receiver open downfield. I get that it's different up in the stands than it is on tv. That's why I wonder if he just doesn't see the receiver downfield.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: pjrocksmb on September 29, 2019, 04:17:05 AM
Nichols wouldn't have won any of the games that Streveler lost.

We got the big lead in Montreal because we ran a Streveler based offence for the first time. We went back to the Nichols based offence in the second half and frittered the win away.

Nichols wouldn't have gotten out of the pocket anywhere near as often as Streveler did against Hamilton. Likely more sacks, more throw aways, and more short passes to Harris for no first downs.

It doesn't take 8 years to learn to throw the deep ball (Nichols didn't throw a good deep ball until this year). Ricky Ray did it in year 1. We don't have a deep ball offence anyway. Even when we had Nichols, we only threw deep once or twice a game. You gotta do it more often to get good at it.

The whole team got beat last night, not just the QB.


disagree with most, your anti Nichol's bias is pretty evident here

But I wasn't the only one to see it though. A couple of times he either held on to the ball and got a couple of yards or threw a short pass and people around me were shouting that there was a receiver open downfield. I get that it's different up in the stands than it is on tv. That's why I wonder if he just doesn't see the receiver downfield.

he was struggling with reads and quick decisions agree, he needs more time or just doesn't process the game fast enough or both


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 29, 2019, 05:58:30 AM
But I wasn't the only one to see it though. A couple of times he either held on to the ball and got a couple of yards or threw a short pass and people around me were shouting that there was a receiver open downfield. I get that it's different up in the stands than it is on tv. That's why I wonder if he just doesn't see the receiver downfield.

it's hard to capture it all whether you're in the stands or watching on TV but for sure those at the game can see so much more than those of us at home... I didn't think he looked comfortable for the majority of the game... I think it was in part due to the pressure Hamilton was getting and due to the a different strategy, or whatever you want to call it, on how he was being used...

it looked to be a focused effort to keep him in the pocket... no roll outs... limited running... I don't know if that was Streveler, or, if it was something that came from the coaches... but he didn't look like his usual self, at least not to me... maybe it was just the vibe created by learning that Nichols is actually done for the year???

needless to say we at home only get a small glimpse of what all is actually happening on the field... I would love to have access to game film that gave you a complete overview of the entire play/field for each play... but even if that were available, without knowing what play was called or what the expectation from that play is, it would still be impossible to know if Streveler is missing these guys are if he is actually adhering to the designed progression and throwing to right receiver or not...

I think play calling by Lapo has a lot to do with both Streveler's and Nichols' success, or lack there of at times... and for that matter, our receivers as well... it seems to be a bit of a recurring theme as far as overall results regardless of the players inserted... at least I think so...


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: TecnoGenius on September 29, 2019, 06:01:29 AM
or, option 3, the primary target was open as well and he delivered the ball to the primary target as the play was called for him...

I show completions of 21, 24, 23, 19, 18, and 17 yards, and 8 more throws of 10+ yards

All those yards you list are mid-range, which he does seem to be getting very good at.  We're talking deep attempts to keep the DBs honest.  Like 35+ yards.  Like the ones Matt was throwing every game...

Either Lapo has Strev leashed and says "no deep balls" even if the decoys receivers are wide open, or Strev isn't progressing through his reads.  There were times Strev had enough time hang in and make some deep passes, and guys were open, but he is either barred from throwing them, or he doesn't see them, or he's scared.  I don't think he's scared.

But I wasn't the only one to see it though. A couple of times he either held on to the ball and got a couple of yards or threw a short pass and people around me were shouting that there was a receiver open downfield. I get that it's different up in the stands than it is on tv. That's why I wonder if he just doesn't see the receiver downfield.

I spotted numerous instances on the TSN broadcast where you can clearly see deep receivers open.  Many times HAM DBs just stopped covering the deep and wide guys.  Come to think of it, he didn't throw wide much either, especially field side.  Most of his plays are kept in a tight box in the flat.  That really allows D's to cheat up on us, and it hinders our run game.


Title: Re: Matt Nichols injured and out for the rest of the season
Post by: 66 Chevelle on September 29, 2019, 06:07:40 AM
yeah but were aren't a deep throwing team regardless, even on a good day we aren't going to see but 1 or 2 of those plays being called... plus, a lot of that hinges on the quality of the protection the O line is providing... I didn't feel like we got very good line play in this game... plus, our O line guys really looked gassed for the majority of the game, which generally results in you seeing more holding calls like we did...

like I said in another thread, outside of the first series by both the offense and the defense the whole team's performance left a bad taste in my mouth...