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After being repeated outcoached this year is it time for a change?
Youngers defense continually lets us down when we need it the most ie at end of games ir end of the half
Condell shoes no ingame adjustments, and seems to get worse as the game goes on
OShea continually fails at roster management and making needed changes
Note i didnt make all of em cause thats the easy answer

The easy answer is no one, no one is going anywhere. We just lost to arguably the #2 team in the league by a last play field goal, nobody is getting turfed.

MOS... but it isn't going to happen.

O'Shea

Younger beats O'Shea by a hair.

Condell is not worth much.

Tough choice. :D

Quote from: dd on August 22, 2026, 10:34:54 PMThe easy answer is no one, no one is going anywhere. We just lost to arguably the #2 team in the league by a last play field goal, nobody is getting turfed.

This.

When we lost this game I was disappointed for sure, because a win was possible, but I wasn't livid or depressed or embarrassed like when we lost to no-QB BC.

There is no shame to losing to a top-2 team by a walk-off FG.  Losing to BC is the one that you should have fired everyone after, if you're inclined to do so.

If we do the same thing vs MTL next week, stay close but lose, I'll also be ok with that.  Because that means we actually are getting better AND have a shot to win just one or two when we need it.

However, we do have to make sure we don't end up last in W, or we won't even get that one shot.  So now we have to start hoping for non-parity in the W, whereas before we were hoping for parity.  We need BC & CGY (and even SSK) to start stinking up the joint.  Let EDM run away with it as 1st in W is no longer an option.

I would say the OL coach is the one who needs to be fired, but the OL has been doing better the last 2 games.  I know people blame them for all the Zach/Dru hits, but it's usually extra protection, not OL.  Except that Stan whiff in this last game -- that was ugly -- and that's not on Costello, that's on Stan.

Yeah but still the question isnt what woll happen its what should happen
To me its the offense that we spent the bulk of money on with worse results. Condell failed in Ottawa and hes not any better here

Quote from: Pete on August 23, 2026, 02:40:09 PMYeah but still the question isnt what woll happen its what should happen
To me its the offense that we spent the bulk of money on with worse results. Condell failed in Ottawa and hes not any better here

The defence is almost all imports and where a lot of our money is tied up. Guaranteed we have one of the most expensive secondaries in the league and paying high end money to Jefferson and Ceresna.

Interesting, in the bc game I think at half time I think naylor did a segment on OTT firing the vp. He mentored something about getting a mulligan(s?), as well as amortizing the coaches sms hit over the next 5 years?

Is that news to anyone else? I'm not sure I knew about mulligans, and I certainly didn't know about amortizing the penalty!!

Is the league making new stuff up just to try to help OTT??

Makes me wonder if wfc used up any of their mulligans. Naylor said OTT had used all of theirs up.

Younger gets my vote. The defense just isn't cutting it under his leadership and this is becoming a consistent issue spanning multiple seasons.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 24, 2026, 02:31:13 PMYounger gets my vote. The defense just isn't cutting it under his leadership and this is becoming a consistent issue spanning multiple seasons.

And yet... Has any other team held edm to that few points yet this season?

No coach will go, no vet players will go. Reminds me of the Jets this past year. Thinking you have a job for life makes you complacent.

Quote from: Tecno on August 24, 2026, 02:38:17 PMAnd yet... Has any other team held edm to that few points yet this season?

Silver linings mean very little when they're overshadowed by the fact both games ended up in the loss column.

Quote from: Tecno on August 24, 2026, 02:38:17 PMAnd yet... Has any other team held edm to that few points yet this season?

But they break on game winning drives. I lost count of how many the past couple years.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 24, 2026, 02:41:09 PMSilver linings mean very little when they're overshadowed by the fact both games ended up in the loss column.

And yet, if our o had done something, anything useful in the 2nd half we likely win. Like, you know, get more than 1 first down?

Just like all the cups we lost, when the chips are down we can't sustain a drive.

None of which is on younger.

Quote from: Tecno on August 24, 2026, 02:44:12 PMAnd yet, if our o had done something, anything useful in the 2nd half we likely win. Like, you know, get more than 1 first down?

Just like all the cups we lost, when the chips are down we can't sustain a drive.

None of which is on younger.

Feel free to play the what if game to your heart's content.

Younger's the DC. He wears this unit's failure's as much as the players do.

Quote from: Waffler on August 24, 2026, 02:43:52 PMBut they break on game winning drives. I lost count of how many the past couple years.

Asking the d to stop a team simply getting in fg range is a tall order.

Yes, we totally suck when the opponent goes full dink and dunk. And we continue to suck so bad maybe it's on purpose. I wonder if the plan all along was to force max d&d while having an o that was just good enough to match scoring. In theory that could win you games.

The o has not been keeping up their end of the bargain.

Bc found ways to disrupt the ssk max d&d yesterday. It will be interesting to see if we try to steal any ideas, or just let ssk do their thing. That will be the tell of the season.

Truly not happy with DC or OC. Condell coaches like he has the 28 year old Zach. The plan has to be max protect, 2 quick reads and the ball is out. Live to fight another day if necessary. QB health trumps anything in the regular season.

Except for Hall and Lapo has MOS ever hired good coordinators? He has had some truly bad ones. Hogan, Bellefeuille, Etcheverry off the top of my head.

Quote from: Tecno on August 24, 2026, 02:50:49 PMAsking the d to stop a team simply getting in fg range is a tall order.

Because bend but don't break is not made for 3 down football.

Quote from: Waffler on August 24, 2026, 02:43:52 PMBut they break on game winning drives. I lost count of how many the past couple years.

Take note of how many consecutive 2 and outs the offence posted in the 2nd half, if they can't stay on the field for any length of time the defence gets no rest.

The bend dont break d, causes the d to be on the field way too much, and with Zac,/condell seemingly preferring not to go with a ball control offense the fit is terrible.
 As a team they need to get on the same page
 In the first quarter last game Condell utilized the short game but at the first sign of adversity went back to Zac looking for the deep strike with poor results.
  Both coaches needs more change ups in their schemes to avoid the other team figuring it out in the 2nd half.

Younger, younger, younger

Our offence is worse than our defence.

But it's not just the coaches. We use mostly imports on our defence. We've invested most of our recent draft picks  on that side of the ball (Smith, Shay, Gatkuoth, etc). Our only recruited players that are getting opportunities (Williams, Reese, Fletcher) are on defence. There just seems to be a total lack of resources/opportunities being given to the offence. It's more stagnant.

Pete, that wa funny last line. ...but true.

But I wonder, and U think maybe it was Ariel who may have said it. " I can only coach the players that I am given"

That doesn't suggest in the Bombers case that The jets  should fire the Jets Gm, but really what has Walter's done?  Lawler was here, and really  a difference maker, and we don't break the bank for him? We are left with nice Canadian boys who are not pro calibre. We hang on to beyond their orime vets who refuse to play hard, and cost the team all kinds of yards, and resultant opportunities.

Clearly Younger has not improved our defence over the years he's been around so he should go first. My second choice would be Condell since it's only his first year here. He's definitely not nearly as good as some other OCs in the league so if the BB wants to win another Grey Cup, it most likely won't be with him. O'Shea at least has brought us to the GC 5 years in a row so he's always going to get a free pass.

If funny all the anger and outrage is directed at the coaches, but the coaches can only coach the players they are given. Why has Walters been spared the rath?? Perhaps if you brought in a real NAT reciever instead of Tommy N, our offense would be better, perhaps if you brought in a blue chip #1 receiver to replace Lawler, our O would be better, perhaps if you brought in a safety that we've needed since BA retired, our D would be better, perhaps if we brought in Sankey to replace Bighill at MLB our D would be better, you can go on an on with all star players who have left for whatever reason, only to be replaced with cheap chumps instead of blue chip players. What we're dealing with now is a lack of talent that can't execute consistently on offense, and likely never will, and a defense that doesnt have a killer at MLB and safety. Pretty basic stuff. So chill out on the coaches, and look a bit higher in the food chain with your anger.

As MOS says, its a work in progress.  There are differences in many ways to last year,m and the years before, in personnel and schemes.  Sometimes things work right away, some take time.  We got lucky in the past, and expectations are very high.

This is an experienced crew, up and down, and they will put it together.

Quote from: theaardvark on August 26, 2026, 05:14:08 PMAs MOS says, its a work in progress.  There are differences in many ways to last year,m and the years before, in personnel and schemes.  Sometimes things work right away, some take time.  We got lucky in the past, and expectations are very high.

This is an experienced crew, up and down, and they will put it together.

Last game should have been their prove it game, but they couldn't sustain dominance so they proved nothing.

I think the players brought in are just simply not good enough.. we lost a lot of front office staff with Rigmaiden and Goveia not in the organization anymore. McManus is not nearly good enough in getting us talent.