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All depends on if they can knock him out of the game or not.

714 yards.

I said 250 but better question is how many TD's. I say 3.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 12, 2026, 03:22:31 PMI said 250 but better question is how many TD's. I say 3.

Well, from 2024-2026, he's done that 3 times...

So a career day for Zachy against the winless Redblacks. Okay then.

At 12.5k, I'm not taking him in Fantasy.

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 12, 2026, 03:22:31 PMI said 250 but better question is how many TD's. I say 3.

I guess 285 but that still does not guarantee a win.

How many field goals of 16 or 12 yards? Relates to the 3 TD's. MOS gonna MOS.

How many yards rushing for Ottawa?

175~

With 250 a couple tds and limited turnovers, might be enough with solid run game and improved play on D.  Might need teams to tilt this one.

Quote from: peg_city on August 12, 2026, 02:33:59 PM714 yards.

Will never be duplicated.

Quote from: Jesse on August 12, 2026, 05:02:48 PMWell, from 2024-2026, he's done that 3 times...

Ya, was just going to say, that fantasy players know you almost never pick a Bomber, unless they are named Brady (and even then...).

Zach hasn't been a pickable fantasy QB in many years.

So, 250 wins if you count "Price is Right, without going over", or 200 for closest to the actual.

Quote from: theaardvark on August 15, 2026, 05:36:15 PMSo, 250 wins if you count "Price is Right, without going over", or 200 for closest to the actual.

Yeah I was I was so close but Brown did get a few yards passing too

A decent outing with some question marks to erase

If it was "How many yards for the bombers...", that's 249.

Yes, the O-line needs work, but man, we miss Lawler.

We have Demski & White, who are both good second options.

Wilson is either another 2nd options or a 3rd option.

Nield is a good 4th and Cobb is a 5th.

When we need a 1st down, there is no big play receiver to air it out to. It's hard to go long when we have no one you can win a jump ball.

Collaros aired out the ball 3 times(?) last game and none of the receivers came up with the ball. All of those killed driver.

Quote from: peg_city on August 15, 2026, 07:32:29 PMYes, the O-line needs work, but man, we miss Lawler.

We have Demski & White, who are both good second options.

Wilson is either another 2nd options or a 3rd option.

Nield is a good 4th and Cobb is a 5th.

When we need a 1st down, there is no big play receiver to air it out to. It's hard to go long when we have no one you can win a jump ball.

Collaros aired out the ball 3 times(?) last game and none of the receivers came up with the ball. All of those killed driver.

You know, that's a good point.  Hamilton can throw the ball ANYWHERE and Lawler comes up with it most times. It doesn't have to be a picture perfect throw, he just goes and grabs it with his athleticism and ability. I miss having that in a receiver. Worth the money.

Quote from: peg_city on August 15, 2026, 07:32:29 PMYes, the O-line needs work, but man, we miss Lawler.

We have Demski & White, who are both good second options.

Wilson is either another 2nd options or a 3rd option.

Nield is a good 4th and Cobb is a 5th.

When we need a 1st down, there is no big play receiver to air it out to. It's hard to go long when we have no one you can win a jump ball.

Collaros aired out the ball 3 times(?) last game and none of the receivers came up with the ball. All of those killed driver.

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Those deep balls sucked
Jerry Rice wouldn't have got those
Zach has rust and his med to deep ball will get a little better
Yes Lawler is missed dearly but is also expensive

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 15, 2026, 08:43:05 PM.
Those deep balls sucked
Jerry Rice wouldn't have got those
Zach has rust and his med to deep ball will get a little better
Yes Lawler is missed dearly but is also expensive

THe one to Pokey was dead on..and wasn't caught. Not the Qbs fault when a receiver cannot catch that.

Quote from: tlf on August 15, 2026, 08:56:06 PMTHe one to Pokey was dead on..and wasn't caught. Not the Qbs fault when a receiver cannot catch that.

HITIMINDAMASK.

Quote from: peg_city on August 15, 2026, 07:32:29 PMYes, the O-line needs work, but man, we miss Lawler.

We have Demski & White, who are both good second options.

Wilson is either another 2nd options or a 3rd option.

Nield is a good 4th and Cobb is a 5th.

When we need a 1st down, there is no big play receiver to air it out to. It's hard to go long when we have no one you can win a jump ball.

Collaros aired out the ball 3 times(?) last game and none of the receivers came up with the ball. All of those killed driver.

Like Eugene?

Quote from: tlf on August 15, 2026, 08:56:06 PMTHe one to Pokey was dead on..and wasn't caught. Not the Qbs fault when a receiver cannot catch that.

That one was a Zach touch ball special yes 100%.  Just a mistake by Pokey, you flush that.

Quote from: theaardvark on August 15, 2026, 10:34:45 PMLike Eugene?

Hard pass

Quote from: tlf on August 15, 2026, 08:36:23 PMYou know, that's a good point.  Hamilton can throw the ball ANYWHERE and Lawler comes up with it most times. It doesn't have to be a picture perfect throw, he just goes and grabs it with his athleticism and ability. I miss having that in a receiver. Worth the money.

I think you remember the miracle ones and it skews the overall picture. He's been over 1,000 yards just twice in 7 years. This year's projection is 774 yards if he plays all 18. Gimme Philpot this year. not even close.

Tim White will be over 1,000 five years straight, touch wood. I'd rather have that consistent production.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 15, 2026, 08:43:05 PM.
Those deep balls sucked
Jerry Rice wouldn't have got those
Zach has rust and his med to deep ball will get a little better

I think Zach was watching the CFL on his bye, saw Alexander throw 60y while running and hopping, and said "I can do that!"

Problem is...

Lawler has many bad, and a few good, games. But even in his bad games, he buys you something: He draws double coverage and gets others one on ones.

That's extremely valuable. Maybe as valuable as that WDF where he gets you 3 TDS.

Quote from: Tecno on August 15, 2026, 11:54:37 PMI think Zach was watching the CFL on his bye, saw Alexander throw 60y while running and hopping, and said "I can do that!"

Problem is...

Have you done an updated max pass radius with him? Last year was 45.  Maybe in a couple games we can do a deep dive.

No he wasn't watching last week's games, he was watching Kerwin sling deep lol

QuoteHITIMINDAMASK.

We'll catch the ball before it hits you in the face for Pete's sake. It's not like he had to lay out for it or was super covered, it was a blown coverage, he was wide open in the end zone, AND HE DROPPED IT!!!

Don't think geno lewis would have dropped that one, nor would he go no catches in 5 targets, face it, we need a bonafide #1 receiver and we re too proud or stubborn to bring him in. That's frustrating.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 16, 2026, 12:26:50 AMHave you done an updated max pass radius with him? Last year was 45.  Maybe in a couple games we can do a deep dive.

Ya, a few weeks ago I measured a couple and they were his normal range. Same as last year.

However, he clearly can't heave a dart wrist throw like Alexander!

Quote from: dd on August 16, 2026, 02:21:45 AMWe'll catch the ball before it hits you in the face for Pete's sake. It's not like he had to lay out for it or was super covered, it was a blown coverage, he was wide open in the end zone, AND HE DROPPED IT!!!

Don't think geno lewis would have dropped that one, nor would he go no catches in 5 targets, face it, we need a bonafide #1 receiver and we re too proud or stubborn to bring him in. That's frustrating.

Can't disagree, don't want Geno but a bigger, younger, more aggressive #1 receiver is needed. Plenty of great new receivers making their debut in the CFL this season, so recruits are not hard to find, but best chance of a sure thing is to pay for a #1 receiver in FA.  At this point I would welcome Dominique Rhymes as a booster shot just to get through this season.

Dom rhymes would be great, but we won't, we have Mikey's guys and we ll die with them, he's too proud and stubborn to upgrade an obvious need when there are tons of options out there.

Quote from: Tecno on August 16, 2026, 02:35:30 AMYa, a few weeks ago I measured a couple and they were his normal range. Same as last year.

However, he clearly can't heave a dart wrist throw like Alexander!

Thanks awesome good to know.

A few QBs with the wrist bomb ability is so impressive

Folks, Zach's arm is shot. He needs a full tripod to be able to make the 35+ yard throws and the big problem is he has never been a quarterback to play that style of game.

The first quarter air ball the other night is exactly the kind of play he would have made 4 years ago and what he was really good at, a scramble to his right, throw on the move. Now it just hangs up and dies.

Must be frustrating to not be able to play the game like your head tells you you should be able to but all the wishful thinking in the world won't bring Zach's arm back. Sorry.

I haven't seen much regression from last year. Range seems the same. Just can't do it on the run like in 2019. So then don't do it on the run! He had time on that throw to stop and plant, though he might been whacked after.

Quote from: Tecno on August 17, 2026, 02:30:31 AMI haven't seen much regression from last year. Range seems the same. Just can't do it on the run like in 2019. So then don't do it on the run! He had time on that throw to stop and plant, though he might been whacked after.

If he stopped and planted, by then Cobb might have been beyond his range. And the defender would have had more time to close. The window to make a play is usually tight, and if you need an ideal platform to make every throw over 30 yards, thats a problem.

I think even the long throw to Demski was underthrown, but Demski is great at coming back to the ball and the DB wasn't aware of where the ball was.

That throw to Cobb was only 45 yards and he barely got it there, and it hung up quite a bit. If thats his range now, we're in trouble. Not only can't he stretch the field, but if your max throw is 45 yards, your accuracy at 30-45 is going to go down also. His max may be longer when he's set in the pocket and is able to fully step up into the throw (I think he wasn't able to fully step into the Demski throw because he had a defender in his face). But those are ideal conditions, which may not occur with many plays, especially with our O-line.

He also seems to have gotten worse at navigating the pocket. The first 2 sacks wern't on the O-line in my opinion, they were a combo of cover sacks and Zach being unable to figure out how to slip loose, the way Fajardo would have done.

I am grateful to Zach to what he's done for the team, bringing us 2 cups. I also think he's still our best option at QB. He's very smart, can read a defense, and is a good leader. But he is definitely regressing both in terms of mobility and arm strength, and thats hamstringing our options on offense.

Quote from: bunker on August 17, 2026, 02:59:27 AMIf he stopped and planted, by then Cobb might have been beyond his range. And the defender would have had more time to close. The window to make a play is usually tight, and if you need an ideal platform to make every throw over 30 yards, thats a problem.

That throw to Cobb was only 45 yards and he barely got it there, and it hung up quite a bit. If thats his range now, we're in trouble. Not only can't he stretch the field, but if your max throw is 45 yards, your accuracy at 30-45 is going to go down also.

I've measured Zach's range this year as matching his '25 range.  He's still able to do 50Y with a bit of effort.  55Y with a lot of effort.  60Y would be the absolute limit and rare.  45Y is his ideal range and every deep shot should be timed to hit the REC 45Y from Zach.

I measure point to point (not Y from scrimmage, so my numbers will seem bigger than the stats show) and try to adjust for pythagoras (also making my numbers bigger), as that is the true arm strength stat, not Y from scrimmage or pass yards with YAC.

Whenever Zach is on the move the RECs should be doing comeback routes and Zach should be throwing them into a comeback window.  Once the REC is past that 50-55Y window there is zero reason to continue running.  Everything should be a comeback after that.  Everything on O should be designed around this.  And short routes could convert into go routes to still give Zach 50Y in-stride options if he gets the time or escapes.

I can't believe everyone in WPG O can't see this and scheme specifically around it.  Is everyone afraid of saying the emporer has no clothes??  Just admit what the limitations are and maximize your options within those limits!!  Plenty of decent QBs can't throw much past 50 either!  And part of it is timing... you need to throw every deep shot sooner so the REC is just hitting your max range as the ball arrives.  The "sitting and waiting" thing we see over and over again means Zach & O haven't figured this out yet!!

The negativity on Zach's arm is overstated.  Yes it's declined but he still has touch on the ball and I trust Techo on his 45 yard max.  He can still throw a deep enough ball to open up the run game.  His accuracy and touch on the ball is his gift, which he struggled with in his first game back but that expected.  If he has time, he can still sling at least on an average basis.

Yes, to put it in perspective, Zach's arm is still stronger than Cody's, and still more accurate at long range.  And look at Cody, dude might win another cup this year.  Oh ya, and same for T.Harris.

Quote from: Tecno on August 17, 2026, 03:34:24 AMYes, to put it in perspective, Zach's arm is still stronger than Cody's, and still more accurate at long range.  And look at Cody, dude might win another cup this year.  Oh ya, and same for T.Harris.

I think Cody has improved as a passer with time. He's got better stats than Zach working with worse receivers. He's also much more mobile and less injury prone. I would take him over Zach this year, no contest.

QuoteYes, to put it in perspective, Zach's arm is still stronger than Cody's, and still more accurate at long range.  And look at Cody, dude might win another cup this year.  Oh ya, and same for T.Harris.

Not a chance, fajardo s arm is way stronger than zachs, he puts some major zip on his passes, your hatred of fajardo is blurring your vision.

Quote from: dd on August 17, 2026, 05:20:10 AMNot a chance, fajardo s arm is way stronger than zachs, he puts some major zip on his passes, your hatred of fajardo is blurring your vision.

Cody has big zip, yes, in the short/medium game.  But for some reason his zip does not translate to distance.  I think it's because he throws a bad deep ball.  I've measured his throws too, and at best he's a stretch to hit 55-60, just like Zach.

Don't take my word for it, go search the Rider forum for talk about that back in Cody's time there.  They described his deep ball as a shot put throw.  And his deep accuracy is really bad, not even remotely comparable to Zach's.

Cody just looks better because his RECs in EDM are pretty darn good (even the no-names, like future star Luther), and in MTL they were league best too.

No blue googles here.  I'm telling you what I say is true.  If I'm wrong, why does EDM so rarely throw it deep??  And yes, I still hate Cody.

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 17, 2026, 03:31:58 AMThe negativity on Zach's arm is overstated.  Yes it's declined but he still has touch on the ball and I trust Techo on his 45 yard max.  He can still throw a deep enough ball to open up the run game.  His accuracy and touch on the ball is his gift, which he struggled with in his first game back but that expected.  If he has time, he can still sling at least on an average basis.

Quote from: Tecno on August 17, 2026, 03:34:24 AMYes, to put it in perspective, Zach's arm is still stronger than Cody's, and still more accurate at long range.  And look at Cody, dude might win another cup this year.  Oh ya, and same for T.Harris.

I don't want to sit here and bad mouth Zach, but we've seen no evidence that he has any touch remaining. He hasn't connected on any of the deep balls he's attempted. I still say it's more reaction time than arm strength, but whatever the cause, it's not there anymore.

He does have touch. He throws a great ball, usually very tight spirals. I think people get confused on what Zach is and is not good at.

What Zach doesn't have is deep ball timing. That's why recs are always waiting or having to come back for it. If he would just throw the same ball and spot a second earlier everything would be great. Been saying this for years.

And he can't be blamed for the 50 50 jump ball misery. He just doesn't have good weapons for that like Kenny and Darvin used to be.

Sorry but no.

If you go watch him in practice, yes, he can throw a pretty deep ball relatively well. The problem is football games aren't played in practice (obviously) and Collaros, although he's tried to pivot, has never been a spectacular drop and throw timing passer which would, in theory, present more of those type of opportunites in games.

Generally speaking, but even more so for the way Collaros plays, very rarely is a deep ball in a competitive setting thrown under practice like conditions. It's on the run, it's navigating a pocket, it's off balance. It's getting grabbed. It's an awkward arm angle because someone is in your face or you're throwing around an arm. That's where disconnect is and that's what hasn't worked for about a year and half. Maybe two. Physically he just can't do that anymore.

Yes, Collaros can still launch a ball. No, he can't do it under game scenarios very often. That's the difference and why Techno's observations are correct and so is the reality of the results under live fire.

Quote from: Jesse on August 17, 2026, 12:31:59 PMI don't want to sit here and bad mouth Zach, but we've seen no evidence that he has any touch remaining. He hasn't connected on any of the deep balls he's attempted. I still say it's more reaction time than arm strength, but whatever the cause, it's not there anymore.

He has showed reasonable touch on the ball this season, last game not as much.  Might come back after more practice and reps. 

He threw a nice ball (touch) that Wilson dropped.

It's true that the pocket pressure is really impacting Zach.  No doubt.  Some good debate and input here all.

If Zac had some blocking his arm is as good as anyone's. He's the best in the league. Unfortunately he has a questionable
O line., and a defence is led by a poor man. The D has even worse players. # 1?! Should be on  the. Nations flag team. Team played like they were finally together. But I think ssome players, they got tired as the game wore on. The. Road graders showed some growth, in the fourth. Offensive coordinator called a better game.

But the opponents were beaten by th fourth Qtr.  Brady won the game, again

Quote from: Tecno on August 17, 2026, 08:04:52 AMCody has big zip, yes, in the short/medium game.  But for some reason his zip does not translate to distance.  I think it's because he throws a bad deep ball.  I've measured his throws too, and at best he's a stretch to hit 55-60, just like Zach.

Don't take my word for it, go search the Rider forum for talk about that back in Cody's time there.  They described his deep ball as a shot put throw.  And his deep accuracy is really bad, not even remotely comparable to Zach's.

Cody just looks better because his RECs in EDM are pretty darn good (even the no-names, like future star Luther), and in MTL they were league best too.

No blue googles here.  I'm telling you what I say is true.  If I'm wrong, why does EDM so rarely throw it deep??  And yes, I still hate Cody.

Always thought Cody had a relatively low trajectory which helped him get balls to their target quicker, while Zach has a tendency to lob the ball very high with the hope it goes over top of the defender, but makes them much more influenced by the wind.

Quote from: bunker on August 17, 2026, 03:51:32 AMI think Cody has improved as a passer with time. He's got better stats than Zach working with worse receivers. He's also much more mobile and less injury prone. I would take him over Zach this year, no contest.

I think his receivers got better, not his arm.