Well, the boys should be back on the field today. We will see if ZC8 is taking snaps. Griffin is a ? We will also see if Broxton is back. Bombers need this win at home.
Just vibes, no information. But it feels like Griffin will be out. I'm hoping Broxton is back. Best case scenario might be that Zach is limited and stays off for the whole 6 games.
I also think the first practice is probably Monday.
I expect Broxton will be back. I have previously suggested that I don't expect Collaros back but he might start some limited practice. That's based on the expectation that Brown can play. If he can't then all bets are off.
There is more to the injury to Collaros than is being let on IMO. I believe cumulative and degenerative issues are involved. I know O'Shea said he didn't expect him to spend the entire 6 games on the IR. I find it difficult to believe his injury reports on anybody.
There is also an SMS ramification which shouldn't be a deciding factor but it's the nature of the SMS.
I'd like to see a healthy Collaros back but I think his health and risk of re-injury is too great. In that sense, I think he should retire. I've lost track of how many times he's been knocked out of games but it doesn't seem to take much to force him out of games.
It's possible we may be in a 3 way tie with Calgary and BC is we win and the Lions defeat the Stamps. If that happens we're in 5th place after losing to each of those teams.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 09, 2026, 02:56:21 PMI expect Broxton will be back. I have previously suggested that I don't expect Collaros back but he might start some limited practice. That's based on the expectation that Brown can play. If he can't then all bets are off.
There is more to the injury to Collaros than is being let on IMO. I believe cumulative and degenerative issues are involved. I know O'Shea said he didn't expect him to spend the entire 6 games on the IR. I find it difficult to believe his injury reports on anybody.
There is also an SMS ramification which shouldn't be a deciding factor but it's the nature of the SMS.
I'd like to see a healthy Collaros back but I think his health and risk of re-injury is too great. In that sense, I think he should retire. I've lost track of how many times he's been knocked out of games but it doesn't seem to take much to force him out of games.
It's possible we may be in a 3 way tie with Calgary and BC is we win and the Lions defeat the Stamps. If that happens we're in 5th place after losing to each of those teams.
It seems fair to keep Collaros on the 6 game for the entire duration and reap the SMS relief considering they're paying him near $600k and he's missed way too many games to earn that paycheque.
Also puts the burden on Brown to show he's worth investing in after this season, if he can't get it done with the Bombers either, then the search for Zach's replacement must continue until Elgersma is ready to steal the #1 job and run with it.
The bombers are practicing today!
Just a thought. I wonder if Jaworski is the import activated for this game. Another player to rotate on the DL wouldn't be the worst choice. He should be able to pick up what he needs to know quickly and with on field instructions from the others.
I'm not seeing a lot of advantage activating Hazen, Jackson or Jenkins so this is the best time to get Jaworski live reps?
Could be our last chance for a win in 2027 :'(
Looking at the schedule we have a punchers chance when Argo come to town, but other than that, it looks like tough sailing. There usually will be an upset in the CFL somewhere along the way, but I can't see us eaking out more than 2-3 wins.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 09, 2026, 04:24:10 PMJust a thought. I wonder if Jaworski is the import activated for this game. Another player to rotate on the DL wouldn't be the worst choice. He should be able to pick up what he needs to know quickly and with on field instructions from the others.
I'm not seeing a lot of advantage activating Hazen, Jackson or Jenkins so this is the best time to get Jaworski live reps?
I hope he plays. I like him but it would take a few games for him to get up to speed.
Broxton and Zach practicing today
Sigh...I want to believe that the team learned a lesson from our last trap game (BC) that can be applied in this one, but I'm not terribly confident in that.
Zach, Broxton, and Lawson are practicing.
Jaworski is here.
Kramdi not dressed, still has his hand/wrist wrapped up.
Quote from: Jesse on August 09, 2026, 05:46:06 PMZach, Broxton, and Lawson are practicing.
Jaworski is here.
Kramdi not dressed, still has his hand/wrist wrapped up.
Griffin in a walking boot.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 09, 2026, 05:12:53 PMI hope he plays. I like him but it would take a few games for him to get up to speed.
Sure but he'd still be able to take a few reps spelling the other DL. It's a question of whether that offers more than the other defensive players on our PR. Fresh faces to be able to pressure Maier as much as possible.
Quote from: Jesse on August 09, 2026, 05:49:06 PMGriffin in a walking boot.
Yeah, that was expected about Griffin and unfortunate. Hearing Lawson is practising is a surprise but then we also never heard what his injury was earlier. He's only missed 3 games of his IR stint and I would be surprised to see him activated. OTOH it would beef up our DL choices.
I really didn't expect Collaros to be practising but I commented that might be a forced choice if Brown can't start this week.
Any other players taking 1st team reps as possible changes to the roster? We have to decide on which import to add as a DI. It might be the last chance for Jenkins to grab a spot.
No reports about Brown yet?
I am not surprised ZC8 and Lawson back on the field today. We need Lawson back on our D as Korny and Schmekel have not been very good.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 09, 2026, 06:29:44 PMYeah, that was expected about Griffin and unfortunate. Hearing Lawson is practising is a surprise but then we also never heard what his injury was earlier. He's only missed 3 games of his IR stint and I would be surprised to see him activated. OTOH it would beef up our DL choices.
I really didn't expect Collaros to be practising but I commented that might be a forced choice if Brown can't start this week.
Any other players taking 1st team reps as possible changes to the roster? We have to decide on which import to add as a DI. It might be the last chance for Jenkins to grab a spot.
No reports about Brown yet?
Lawson and Collaros were taking all the starters reps. They both definitely seem like they're coming off early.
Dru was dressed and taking part in drills but took no reps that I saw. Elgersma and Perkins took turns running some scout team reps for the defence.
Woodbey obviously in for a bunch of reps in Griffin's absence.
No changes to offence other than Zach and Broxton coming back in.
Hopefully Broxton is replacing Bryant or will MOS ever pull Bryant?
Quote from: Blue72 on August 09, 2026, 07:14:16 PMHopefully Broxton is replacing Bryant or will MOS ever pull Bryant?
No, Broxton is obviously back in his RT spot.
Quote from: Blue72 on August 09, 2026, 07:14:16 PMHopefully Broxton is replacing Bryant or will MOS ever pull Bryant?
MOS will never pull Bryant, its not in his DNA to pull a hall of fame player from the field of play...just like he didn't pull Bighill when he was hurt
Who's taking Bryant's spot even if he were to get pulled? The depth with the O-line at present is laughable.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 09, 2026, 08:08:35 PMWho's taking Bryant's spot even if he were to get pulled? The depth with the O-line at present is laughable.
Vanterpool played a couple of games at LT in 2025 didn't he? The more common idea was to move Broxton to LT and let Vanterpool stay at RT.
Brownie probably goes to the 1 game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 09, 2026, 08:19:04 PMVanterpool played a couple of games at LT in 2025 didn't he? The more common idea was to move Broxton to LT and let Vanterpool stay at RT.
That doesn't really sound like an improvement to me.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 09, 2026, 09:02:45 PMBig blow
In an underperforming defence, I can't really say this is going to be a big step back for us. Woodbey steps in and does the same job.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 09, 2026, 08:41:45 PM
It doesn't seem informing fans Jaworski was in an off-season traffic accident is giving out too much personal information, instead of announcing that he retired. The Bomber way is to give him a fair shot at stepping in where he left off, it may take a few weeks of conditioning before they give him another look though.
Quote from: Jesse on August 09, 2026, 09:02:17 PMThat doesn't really sound like an improvement to me.
Broxton is a LT by history and we signed him to a big contract. Both QB's were injured from hits coming from the left side.
He was the west division most outstanding OL, in 2023, 2024 and 2025.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 09, 2026, 09:50:56 PMBroxton is a LT by history and we signed him to a big contract. Both QB's were injured from hits coming from the left side.
He was the west division most outstanding OL, in 2023, 2024 and 2025.
Not a bad idea to start Broxton at LT and move Stan to right to see if he can compete with Vanterpool. For the good of the team he either plays a lot better or sits on the RR for the rest of the season, enjoying his money for nothing and his chicks for free.
Appropriate reference, given the dire straits the team is in :D
T-4) Jarell Broxton, Winnipeg Blue Bombers (A)
Hard money: $250,000
Maximum value: $250,000
The native of Olney, Md. joined Winnipeg in free agency after being named All-CFL for the first time in his career with the B.C. Lions in 2025. Broxton got a $125,000 bonus to sign with the Blue Bombers, and will earn an additional $94,600 in salary, $15,400 in housing, $10,000 in marketing, and $5,000 in travel in 2026.
Quote from: Jesse on August 09, 2026, 05:49:06 PMGriffin in a walking boot.
That's very odd because it looked like knee. Unless a boot can cover the knee as well?
If it's just an ankle boot then it might just be a sprain, which would be the best case scenario, I guess. Hopefully not Achilles.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 09, 2026, 10:47:53 PMNot a bad idea to start Broxton at LT and move Stan to right to see if he can compete with Vanterpool. For the good of the team he either plays a lot better or sits on the RR for the rest of the season, enjoying his money for nothing and his chicks for free.
Something something old dogs new tricks something something.
Far easier to try to turn Broxton into Yoshi than Stan into anything. Yoshi has to be fast and mobile and swing around. LT just needs to stand there and try not to get beat.
LT is critical to the pass game, RT is critical to the run game. Our run game has been downhill ever since Yoshi left. I'm starting to wonder if the rule that LTs make more money isn't backwards.
Quote from: Tecno on August 10, 2026, 12:52:16 AMSomething something old dogs new tricks something something.
Far easier to try to turn Broxton into Yoshi than Stan into anything. Yoshi has to be fast and mobile and swing around. LT just needs to stand there and try not to get beat.
LT is critical to the pass game, RT is critical to the run game. Our run game has been downhill ever since Yoshi left. I'm starting to wonder if the rule that LTs make more money isn't backwards.
It's called blindside for a reason.
Quote from: Jesse on August 09, 2026, 09:13:52 PMIn an underperforming defence, I can't really say this is going to be a big step back for us. Woodbey steps in and does the same job.
Woodbey is good and lucky to have him but I'll stick with my guns on this one. MOS said he will be missed based on his speed, flexibility and quickness. Our depth at LB took another hit here. This is why you carry so many so that next man up isn't a big downgrade.
Griffin was a big light on a bad defensive unit.
Griffin was 3rd. on the team with 35 DTs. He was having a pretty good year. Tough break, but it's next man up.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 10, 2026, 02:11:04 AMIt's called blindside for a reason.
Ya, but LT needs to passrush-block and seal. RT needs to passrush-block, seal, roadgrade, and swing around roadgrade!
I guess the difference is one is critical (LT), and the other is gravy (RT). But when you're missing that gravy, boy does your run game suffer (see: WPG since Yoshi left).
That said, I think Broxton was learning run-block at a steady pace and improving every week. Still not even half a Yoshi, but probably already better than a Vant. I wonder if/how this will translate when he eventually switches to our LT? Will we have the best LT that can also roadgrade??
I said last pickems that that was the last chance I was giving WPG. I'm not sure yet if I'll make myself a liar...
But this will get ugly REALLY REALLY fast if Mafia & co blow this one, especially with Zach back. Boo birds will be out. The online abuse will go to level 11.
After this game the next home game will be vs MTL, which is pretty much a guaranteed loss unless we unethically "concentrate" on that hammy. Then SSK here for BB. There may not be another win at home (or anywhere!) until garbage season.
If they want to show they are turning this around, it has to emphatically be done vs OTT. They can't play it safe and stay even into the 4th. It needs to be an early blowout -- in OUR favor. I hope, I really hope, that Zach is given 110% of the book to work with, and we get a "good Zach" night. And don't take hits -- slide or throw it away. One tap and we're back to Elgs and everyone leaves the stadium.
With Zach back, our offense should click (hopefully!!), there may be some rust from him being out so long but heck, we should beat Ottawa , I m not sure we can beat any other team, but surely 0-8 Ottawa doesn't get their first win in our barn, as you're right, boo birds will be beyond ballistic, we would become the laughing stock of the cfl. And looking at the schedule, after the Ottawa game there is some serious tough sledding coming up where we are going to get beat down severely
If you watch the Aug 9 pressers (MOS, Zach) you'll quickly draw the conclusion that it's business as usual. No big blow up. No consequences. Boys tried hard. Everyone wants a play back. We have faith in our group of guys.
So anyone expecting big roster changes and benching players who do more bad than good: forget about it!
I guess we may get the usual tiny tweaks (besides the obvious Griffin replacement), often just an inconsequential STer or two. But that'll be it.
Can't say I'm surprised! Mafia never was a C.Jones, Dinwiddie or Kavis. Well, I really sincerely hope that Mafia is right. And I hope the dock time was severely limited in the bye. While I think everyone will be very accepting of a loss to MTL or SSK or EDM, there is no one who will be accepting of an OTT loss. Gotta win this one before you get the get out of jail free card for losing the next bunch. PAS awaits.
Quote from: Tecno on August 10, 2026, 04:08:25 AMI said last pickems that that was the last chance I was giving WPG. I'm not sure yet if I'll make myself a liar...
But this will get ugly REALLY REALLY fast if Mafia & co blow this one, especially with Zach back. Boo birds will be out. The online abuse will go to level 11.
After this game the next home game will be vs MTL, which is pretty much a guaranteed loss unless we unethically "concentrate" on that hammy. Then SSK here for BB. There may not be another win at home (or anywhere!) until garbage season.
If they want to show they are turning this around, it has to emphatically be done vs OTT. They can't play it safe and stay even into the 4th. It needs to be an early blowout -- in OUR favor. I hope, I really hope, that Zach is given 110% of the book to work with, and we get a "good Zach" night. And don't take hits -- slide or throw it away. One tap and we're back to Elgs and everyone leaves the stadium.
I don't see us as a contender anymore, so just going to take each game as it is. I hope I have a good time, that it's a fun game. I'm not placing Grey Cup aspirations on each win or loss.
Quote from: Jesse on August 10, 2026, 12:38:00 PMI don't see us as a contender anymore, so just going to take each game as it is. I hope I have a good time, that it's a fun game. I'm not placing Grey Cup aspirations on each win or loss.
Strangely enough, we're kind of still in the hunt. The west isn't insurmountable, especially if Trevor and Rankin go down.
I thought about going back into my 2013 mindset... But I'm not quite there with you yet.
My main beef is, if that's our state, why are Zach and mos and everyone blowing smoke up our butts like this is just a minor setback and we still have a great team?
I mean, ya, they can't just come out and admit we suck, but they certainly could be realistic and talk to the obvious situation. You know, like they did in 2013...
If you didn't watch any games, and only watched mos pressers, you'd think we were as good as mtl but just had some bad luck.
Quote from: Tecno on August 10, 2026, 12:59:03 PMStrangely enough, we're kind of still in the hunt.
I still expect playoffs. Possibly it's the cross over again though. Remember 25 - 6 at the half in Montreal? It makes me think of Cal Murphy and his trajectory here. Basically a lot of winning followed by a couple seasons of mediocrity and ended with being blown out in a playoff game.
Quote from: Tecno on August 10, 2026, 12:59:03 PMStrangely enough, we're kind of still in the hunt. The west isn't insurmountable, especially if Trevor and Rankin go down.
I thought about going back into my 2013 mindset... But I'm not quite there with you yet.
My main beef is, if that's our state, why are Zach and mos and everyone blowing smoke up our butts like this is just a minor setback and we still have a great team?
I mean, ya, they can't just come out and admit we suck, but they certainly could be realistic and talk to the obvious situation. You know, like they did in 2013...
If you didn't watch any games, and only watched mos pressers, you'd think we were as good as mtl but just had some bad luck.
Goes to show how hard it is to reload when the HC bases a lot of his player decisions on past performances. O'Shea has never been fired before so he probably doesn't have an awareness of how quickly everything can go to hell, if you don't continually strive to improve you end up sliding backwards, status quo rarely works.
They've got a couple months left to make the best of what they have, after that they're into an off-season filled with huge doubt and question marks. Getting perilously close to playing musical chairs with the coordinators which creates more instability and uncertainty
which the players hate. These slumps usually take about a decade to turn around in the CFL, a few players can't change the direction quickly, the entire team has to get good together and right now neither the offence or defence is performing well.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 10, 2026, 02:07:10 PMO'Shea has never been fired before so he probably doesn't have an awareness of how quickly everything can go to hell, if you don't continually strive to improve you end up sliding backwards, status quo rarely works.
This is a pretty silly assumption, especially when you base it on something like not getting fired.
O'Shea didn't get this far as a coach by dumb luck (remember 2014, 2015, and early 2016?).
It's going to take more than just his efforts to get the team back on track, anyway.
Weirdly enough still in the hunt but we're clearly not in the same tier as Montreal or Saskatchewan.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 10, 2026, 02:07:10 PMGoes to show how hard it is to reload when the HC bases a lot of his player decisions on past performances. O'Shea has never been fired before so he probably doesn't have an awareness of how quickly everything can go to hell, if you don't continually strive to improve you end up sliding backwards, status quo rarely works.
They've got a couple months left to make the best of what they have, after that they're into an off-season filled with huge doubt and question marks. Getting perilously close to playing musical chairs with the coordinators which creates more instability and uncertainty
which the players hate. These slumps usually take about a decade to turn around in the CFL, a few players can't change the direction quickly, the entire team has to get good together and right now neither the offence or defence is performing well.
I agree with you here. Although it's leading more to steady decline year over year. We had a great 5 seasons but it's sadly come to an end. We do need to revamp, and I hope that gets through to MOS. There are some key pieces that we can build around but some positions need an overhaul. I'd start with these:
QB - To me it's clear that Dru Brown and Zach are not going to become top QB's in this league. Zach would be a great mentor and reliable backup QB, but he's not an above average starter, and that's what we should be looking for. Build up Elgersma, and hunt down the next big QB on the negotiation list.
OL - Pat Neufeld and Bryant have had great long careers and we're afraid to say it, but they have been pretty bad on our OL this season. Smart, hardworking guys but they just don't have what they used to have. Really hoping for Cline or Manu to make their way up North soon.
Our defense seems to cycle in new players and I think it's working. There's a few veterans on this team still but they've been good.
Willie is leading the league in sacks.
Kyrie Wilson is doing what he's done, although I wouldn't be opposed to upgrading this position.
Nichols has had a bit of a down year in my opinion.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 10, 2026, 02:45:33 PMWeirdly enough still in the hunt but we're clearly not in the same tier as Montreal or Saskatchewan.
I have a feeling Labour Day and the Banjo Bowl will define this season, if the Bombers can rise up and win one of those games they may still be able to surprise anyone that has written them off.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 10, 2026, 02:45:33 PMWeirdly enough still in the hunt but we're clearly not in the same tier as Montreal or Saskatchewan.
I'd include the Elks in that tier as well.
Here you go......Ottawa release veteran starters Amari Henderson & Demerio Houston.
https://3downnation.com/2026/08/10/ottawa-redblacks-release-starters-amari-henderson-demerio-houston/
Quote from: Ridermania on August 10, 2026, 03:30:15 PMHere you go......Ottawa release veteran starters Amari Henderson & Demerio Houston.
https://3downnation.com/2026/08/10/ottawa-redblacks-release-starters-amari-henderson-demerio-houston/
Yes and they had to replace their LS who was injured in the last game.
If we can't win and even dominate this game at home, then the end is closer than we think.
If there was even more reason to keep ZC8 on the 6 game... OTT has release 2 of their starting DB's. Even if Dru isn't ready, Elgersma and Perkins could still shred them.
Trap game! :D
We can make all the tweaks and minor roster moves....but unless the schemes change it will be the same results...I have zero faith in the defensive scheme...my eyeballs tell me its bad, the stats tell me it's bad, a player or two doesn't allow almost 400 yards rushing against, a tweak, more film time or a minor roster move doesn't fix that, not when that is just one example of us being run over this season, it's not a one off, it's a faulty scheme.
Thankfully we are playing Ott, so we have a shot, after week one I called us a 6-8 win team and now going into week 11 I still stand by that....
I don't think it matters if it is Zach or Brown, Lawson of Korny, Corcoran/Cobb or Singer, and extra LB or an extra DL....the results won't change drastically enough to turn us into a competitor.....We are at our best when our HC and coordinators are a well oiled machine, the only thing well oiled is Osh and Miller on specials...
In saying that the only group I expect to look good against OTT is our special teams, I think our special teams will dominate the Redblacks. I expect our offence to show flashes and our defence to make Mair look way better than he is.
I think we win, but not by the margin many are hoping for....
Quote from: theaardvark on August 10, 2026, 04:47:43 PMIf there was even more reason to keep ZC8 on the 6 game... OTT has release 2 of their starting DB's. Even if Dru isn't ready, Elgersma and Perkins could still shred them.
The problem is that our next game after Ottawa is Edmonton and then Montreal. So Collaros needs to get back into game condition.
Quote from: Ridermania on August 10, 2026, 03:30:15 PMHere you go......Ottawa release veteran starters Amari Henderson & Demerio Houston.
https://3downnation.com/2026/08/10/ottawa-redblacks-release-starters-amari-henderson-demerio-houston/
and sign Lawler's brother, a DB.
American defensive back Kenzel Lawler
HEIGHT: 6-0 | WEIGHT: 185 lbs | BIRTHDAY: 2001-05-11
HOMETOWN: Carona, CA | SCHOOL: Montana
Lawler most recently attended rookie minicamps with the New York Jets and Kansas City Chiefs. Before turning pro, Lawler played two seasons at the University of Montana (2024-25), registering 69 total tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss, two interceptions, one fumble recovery and 15 passes defended. He began his collegiate career at Utah, where he played 16 games over two seasons, registering one total tackle and one pass defended.
He is the brother of CFL receiver Kenny Lawler.
Quote from: Ridermania on August 10, 2026, 03:30:15 PMHere you go......Ottawa release veteran starters Amari Henderson & Demerio Houston.
https://3downnation.com/2026/08/10/ottawa-redblacks-release-starters-amari-henderson-demerio-houston/
I wouldn't mind Houston being back I havent been impressed with moxey and Nichols this year
Quote from: Pete on August 10, 2026, 05:24:52 PMI wouldn't mind Houston being back I havent been impressed with moxey and Nichols this year
Henderson can't be worse at halfback than Nichols.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 10, 2026, 04:52:02 PMTrap game! :D
The definition of. How this game plays out will likely be an indicator of the direction in which the rest of this season is headed.
Home field advantage hasn't been a thing for a while now. A strong start would help a ton, IMO.
Quote from: Pete on August 10, 2026, 05:24:52 PMI wouldn't mind Houston being back I havent been impressed with moxey and Nichols this year
He is as good as Nichols and Moxey, but I don't think he is better. He use to be very good, but he just not the player he was in 2023/24.
If ZC8 starts, then I would hope there is a short leash.
If he has any issues, he needs to come out. Tweaks anything, out. If we get up 3 scores, out.
I know getting ZC8 off the field if all of his limbs are mostly attached it tough. But for his own sake, and any hopes of playoffs, he needs to be healthy, and MOS/Condell cannot take chances.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 10, 2026, 06:24:35 PMHe is as good as Nichols and Moxey, but I don't think he is better. He use to be very good, but he just not the player he was in 2023/24.
Houston was OK, he's a year older now. We moved on for a reason. Someone will pick him up, though, as injury insurance.
Now, if OTT released Dino Boyd... I'd even be open to a trade... neg list player or PR guy, maybe even a later DP.
Ottawa loses Carter, Wakefield and Adjey to the 6 game IR. You could fill a hospital with the players on their IR.
Zach is the absolute worst qb from a 6gir perspective. We'll never get the sms savings on him. The nature of his issues is such that it's 1 to 4 weeks out every time. Because it's all feelz and no science. Not that you can have science for this, and I don't blame Zach.
But the fact remains it still sucks. Normal qbs might go on 6gir once, but Zach will be out for 1 to 4 games 2 to 3 times a season. Both may miss 6 in the end, but because Zach's will never be contiguous, it never gives us relief.
In a sense, the league is punishing being extra cautious on qb brain hits. I think if we ever want to go anywhere this season, Zach and mafia need to just throw caution to the wind, like Trevor did for ssk last season. But of course, that won't happen.
Listening to all 3 pressers, I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling that these coaches have figured anything out. A bunch of mumbo jumbo, blah blah blah. Condell speaking of a cigar and scotch after a measily 19 point outing...are you freaking kidding me?!?!
Quote from: Tecno on August 11, 2026, 02:42:15 AMZach is the absolute worst qb from a 6gir perspective. We'll never get the sms savings on him. The nature of his issues is such that it's 1 to 4 weeks out every time. Because it's all feelz and no science. Not that you can have science for this, and I don't blame Zach.
But the fact remains it still sucks. Normal qbs might go on 6gir once, but Zach will be out for 1 to 4 games 2 to 3 times a season. Both may miss 6 in the end, but because Zach's will never be contiguous, it never gives us relief.
In a sense, the league is punishing being extra cautious on qb brain hits. I think if we ever want to go anywhere this season, Zach and mafia need to just throw caution to the wind, like Trevor did for ssk last season. But of course, that won't happen.
ZC8 played 13 of 14 games in 2021. 18 games in 2022,2023,2024. He played 13 games in 2025. He miss 2 games to suspension, 2 games to injury, and the last game of the season we sat him out against Montreal. 2026 4 game to injury. So, it's not 1-4 games, 2-3 times a season.
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Quote from: Tecno on August 11, 2026, 02:42:15 AMZach is the absolute worst qb from a 6gir perspective. We'll never get the sms savings on him. The nature of his issues is such that it's 1 to 4 weeks out every time. Because it's all feelz and no science. Not that you can have science for this, and I don't blame Zach.
But the fact remains it still sucks. Normal qbs might go on 6gir once, but Zach will be out for 1 to 4 games 2 to 3 times a season. Both may miss 6 in the end, but because Zach's will never be contiguous, it never gives us relief.
In a sense, the league is punishing being extra cautious on qb brain hits. I think if we ever want to go anywhere this season, Zach and mafia need to just throw caution to the wind, like Trevor did for ssk last season. But of course, that won't happen.
Maybe it should be Walters deciding when Zach returns to play and not leave it up to him to decide when he feels like playing again. The economic benefit of sitting out the full 6 games is significant and if he can't provide the winning spark consistently any longer, he loses the right to pretend he owns the team.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 11, 2026, 04:20:37 AMZC8 played 13 of 14 games in 2021. 18 games in 2022,2023,2024. He played 13 games in 2025. He miss 2 games to suspension, 2 games to injury, and the last game of the season we sat him out against Montreal. 2026 4 game to injury. So, it's not 1-4 games, 2-3 times a season.
Well, the most recent season was 4 games total, over 2 periods. Though I guess suspension isn't sms shielded. And I bet you weren't including games he exited early.
Something wrong with your 22 to 24 numbers. Maybe you aren't taking into account all the games he exited early? If he leaves at halftime, that should count as a game not played from an availability standpoint. Ya, no sms savings on those games either. Which actually further proves my point.
Also add any games we may have dressed him to reach 3 qbs, but knew he wasn't gonna play.
This coaching staff does not in-still confidence there there ability to perform.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 10, 2026, 05:10:47 PMThe problem is that our next game after Ottawa is Edmonton and then Montreal. So Collaros needs to get back into game condition.
Followed by the LDC and Banjo Bowl.
Tough schedule and will dictate remainder of the Bombers season.
After this game, looking at that schedule unbiased I see 0-4, maybe 1-3, 2-2 IMO would be at the upper limit.
If Zac gets hurt from the blind than MOS should step down, leaving Bryant in the way he is playing is a problem. We paid good money for Broxton, a CFL allstar at LT to protect our QB. Going with a 40 year old LT that was good three years ago is on the HC.
Putting Broxton at LT makes so much sense, but MOS won't do it, thats stanley's position and he won't make the switch
Quote from: Blue72 on August 11, 2026, 06:03:11 PMIf Zac gets hurt from the blind than MOS should step down, leaving Bryant in the way he is playing is a problem. We paid good money for Broxton, a CFL allstar at LT to protect our QB. Going with a 40 year old LT that was good three years ago is on the HC.
MOS will not step down as suggested, I don't agree with the take here but yes we need to find a way to protect all our QBs and get Brady cooking
Quote from: Blue72 on August 11, 2026, 06:03:11 PMIf Zac gets hurt from the blind than MOS should step down, leaving Bryant in the way he is playing is a problem. We paid good money for Broxton, a CFL allstar at LT to protect our QB. Going with a 40 year old LT that was good three years ago is on the HC.
Last game Daniels was lining up beside Stan quite often to help him out, apparently he needs a crutch.
Quote from: dd on August 11, 2026, 02:44:43 AMCondell speaking of a cigar and scotch after a measily 19 point outing...are you freaking kidding me?!?!
Very miffed at this. The 3DownNation article also said that he can't remember what happened 11 days ago. It's his job. Especially after such a putrid outing. If he doesn't have stuff ready for the players, then what chance do they have to succeed?
So tone deaf.
Quote from: bomberjunkie on August 12, 2026, 02:54:02 AMVery miffed at this. The 3DownNation article also said that he can't remember what happened 11 days ago. It's his job. Especially after such a putrid outing. If he doesn't have stuff ready for the players, then what chance do they have to succeed?
So tone deaf.
He remembers. He's just not a good media guy -- wouldn't take it too seriously. He doesn't like to be poked and picked at and the media here will always do that unless you're dominating the league. He's one of those guys who if he had to be a head coach would always be prickly and a bit combative when asked stuff.
Condell has not been a winner in the past....He's one of the reasons this club will not be a success story in 26',,,We can be assured of that....Replacement needed
Quote from: blueraid on August 12, 2026, 04:40:22 PMCondell has not been a winner in the past....He's one of the reasons this club will not be a success story in 26',,,We can be assured of that....Replacement needed
Who would you suggest?
Still wondering if we missed an opportunity with home town Bob Dyce...
Quote from: theaardvark on August 12, 2026, 06:05:04 PMStill wondering if we missed an opportunity with home town Bob Dyce...
Could you expand on that thought?
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on August 11, 2026, 03:17:42 PMAfter this game, looking at that schedule unbiased I see 0-4, maybe 1-3, 2-2 IMO would be at the upper limit.
I say 2-3 over the next 5.
That may keep us ahead of Calgary?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 12, 2026, 06:30:08 PMCould you expand on that thought?
Yes. I would like to hear this one.
Bob Dyce was an OC and HC in the league, and spent 6 years here as recievers coach in the aughts. When he got fired in OTT last year for the teams bad performance, we hired his OC.
Would bringing Dyce back to Winnipeg have been a better idea? I know Condell has history with Zach, and I'd bet that was 99% of the decision, but looking past ZC8's career, would Dyce have been a better long term fit?
What does bob dyce know about being an offensive coordinator?? He was a special teams coach before becoming a head coach and he s never had a winning record. Pass on this idea
Quote from: theaardvark on August 12, 2026, 07:41:56 PMBob Dyce was an OC and HC in the league, and spent 6 years here as recievers coach in the aughts. When he got fired in OTT last year for the teams bad performance, we hired his OC.
Would bringing Dyce back to Winnipeg have been a better idea? I know Condell has history with Zach, and I'd bet that was 99% of the decision, but looking past ZC8's career, would Dyce have been a better long term fit?
Dyce was hired as an OC once: 2012 with the Riders.
Condell's been an OC for a decade combined (2013-15 with the Ti-Cats, 2018 with the Argos, 2019-23 with the Ti-Cats, 2024-25 with the RedBlacks), and is now is his 11th season in that capacity.
There isn't really a comparison between the two when it comes to experience in the OC role.
And by the logic* you applied with the Bombers hiring Dyce's OC, why would anyone want Dyce as a coach, much less an OC?
*
term used very loosely
...But Condell doesn't play poker. :D
Quote from: dd on August 12, 2026, 07:53:02 PMWhat does bob dyce know about being an offensive coordinator?? He was a special teams coach before becoming a head coach and he s never had a winning record. Pass on this idea
Agree, he was an OC for one year in 2012. Which was a riders team that was 8-10. I also think MM has done an amazing job with our STs.
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He was a position coach on offence for most of his career.
Most OC's "apprentice" as a position coach.
Yes, he has had success as a STC.
I don't know if he would be a great OC, but he seems to be a good coach in general.
And I have no idea if he plays poker.
We lose!
Problems nit addressed
Two coordinators would be crap to play for.
Cordell may have been a potential guy. But what have we established? Two lousy Canadian receivers. Their max catch per game ..may be one.
Two average. But good Americans. And the tall guy.....maybe he will be a tackle next year. He is no asset.
So any QB has potentially the two Americans and Demski to throw to. , but that's a third read, amd Stan can't block.,was great, now he's a great grandfather.
The back ups are nit able to read defences, evidently. A QB sneak is more like 50-50. We have lots of problems. We will not win another game this year. Our best chance is Ottawa. But just the odds are in their favour. Zac will get hammered again. Ekgersma. Or whatever his name is .......tall, amd he throws a mean I yard pass. Whoever the other guy is, is probably the best. brown is out.
What is Walter's doing? I don't care about the salary cap. A first round choice either goes to
the Stars, or is a bust. If that the penalty for bringing in budget breaking guys, so what.
Stan is done, Neuf probably as well. And the can't find a defensive tackle. The Defemsivemcoordinator is a deer in the headlight. Let's look at how he wears that baseball cap?
Quote from: DM83 on August 13, 2026, 12:20:27 PMWe lose!
Problems nit addressed
Two coordinators would be crap to play for.
Cordell may have been a potential guy. But what have we established? Two lousy Canadian receivers. Their max catch per game ..may be one.
Two average. But good Americans. And the tall guy.....maybe he will be a tackle next year. He is no asset.
So any QB has potentially the two Americans and Demski to throw to. , but that's a third read, amd Stan can't block.,was great.
The back ups are nit able to read defences, evidently. A QB sneak is more like 50-50. We have lots of problems. We will not win another game this year. Our best chance is Ottawa. But just the odds are in their favour. Zac will get hammered again. Elgersma. Or whatever his name is .......tall, amd he throws a mean I yard pass. Whoever the other guy is, is probably the best. brown is out.
What is Walter's doing? I don't care about the salary cap. A first round choice either goes to
the Stars, or is a bust. If that the penalty for bringing in budget breaking guys, so what.
Stan is done, Neuf probably as well. And the can't find a defensive tackle. The Defemsivemcoordinator is a deer in the headlight. Let's look at how he wears that baseball cap?
Qb sneak is likely around 90% but I couldn't find the #s
Younger looks good in his hat, what does that have to do with anything?
Our best QB is Zach, Taylor will be ok with seasoning and has an incredible arm, Perkins we have no idea but he certainly isn't the best
Brown when healthy is a decent backup but certainly struggled recently
We win a close one
Told ya Smith was starting dime! Hard for me to count the chart in phone... Does this mean we are starting 8 nat again? Why not try singer? Argh
Quote from: Tecno on August 13, 2026, 02:38:55 PMTold ya Smith was starting dime! Hard for me to count the chart in phone... Does this mean we are starting 8 nat again? Why not try singer? Argh
Brady/Demski/Nield/Cobb/Wallace/Neufeld/Smith/Lawson/Kelly, so 9.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 13, 2026, 02:49:45 PMBrady/Demski/Nield/Cobb/Wallace/Neufeld/Smith/Lawson/Kelly, so 9.
Sweet bejeebus! Simply insane. And we wonder sometimes why we don't win...
And now we have the issue of having no clue whatsoever who the DIs are.
Yeah we have 3 imports as back up linebackers, rather than adding a wr or a db.
Cobb and Kelly are two that shouldnt be starting. Once again showing the poor roster mgmt thats hurt us in the past
I realize that the depth chart isnt a good reflection of actual playing time but on this case it looks like the starters will get significant reps
Quote from: Tecno on August 13, 2026, 02:55:16 PMSweet bejeebus! Simply insane. And we wonder sometimes why we don't win...
And now we have the issue of having no clue whatsoever who the DIs are.
Your Nationals aren't the reason for losing.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on August 13, 2026, 03:33:05 PMYour Nationals aren't the reason for losing.
They aren't helping either. Some are older and at the end of their careers. Others like Kelly and Smith shouldn't necessarily be starting.
Cobb? A place holder. Neild not living up to expectations.
Quote from: Pete on August 13, 2026, 03:10:39 PMYeah we have 3 imports as back up linebackers, rather than adding a wr or a db.
Cobb and Kelly are two that shouldnt be starting. Once again showing the poor roster mgmt thats hurt us in the past
I realize that the depth chart isnt a good reflection of actual playing time but on this case it looks like the starters will get significant reps
Nope Cobb and Kelly have to start because its the best we have and due to injury
Yes we should have a guy better than Cobb but its not a massive problem
A lack of depth at safety is our primary issue after OL and health at QB
Add a import receiver not worth it imo
Adding a DB maybe but LBs can fill in there
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2026, 09:23:57 PMThey aren't helping either. Some are older and at the end of their careers. Others like Kelly and Smith shouldn't necessarily be starting.
Cobb? A place holder. Neild not living up to expectations.
Neild a big disappointment
Smith will benefit greatly from the start, will pay off, just not right away
I was high on Cobb when he came as showed flashes but he let me down big time
Time to toss the salad next year likely unless can rack up a few hun
Cobb isn't producing much, but I like his attitude and grit. Attacks his blocks with gusto, always looks a bit gnarly, plays with some nasty. Seems to be an effort guy.
Nield just looks like a dead zombie out there. He might have less passion than dru!
I'd posit that cobb is overproducing his expectations, and salary. Nield is not.