I've read that he was injured in the game against the Lions.
On local news highlights of the game I saw him chasing Horvat at 2:47 of Q4. I deleted the entire game from PVR right after the game so have no other info to check.
So did he get hurt in the last 3 minutes and does anyone have a video of that injury. Or any perception of what type of injury he experienced.
I'm hoping it was nothing serious and he was just removed from the last couple of minutes as precautionary. The game was lost at that point anyway.
We won't see anything official until after the 1st practice.
A massive blow if out long
Going strictly from memory, I believe it looked like an ankle injury.
Quote from: Stretch on August 06, 2026, 04:09:32 PMGoing strictly from memory, I believe it looked like an ankle injury.
Hobbled off the field, so who knows how serious it was, 2 weeks off may be the cure. Expected to see him on the 6 game immediately but can't even find an updated list.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 06, 2026, 02:52:05 PMI've read that he was injured in the game against the Lions.
On local news highlights of the game I saw him chasing Horvat at 2:47 of Q4. I deleted the entire game from PVR right after the game so have no other info to check.
So did he get hurt in the last 3 minutes and does anyone have a video of that injury. Or any perception of what type of injury he experienced.
I'm hoping it was nothing serious and he was just removed from the last couple of minutes as precautionary. The game was lost at that point anyway.
We won't see anything official until after the 1st practice.
I deleted it from my PVR pretty quickly as well, lol
I guess that means Woodbey starting at SAM with Smith rotating in. We have an opening for another import. Will it be Jackson, Hazon or Jenkins? All have been on the AR briefly but Jackson seemed to have the best game of the 3.
Woodbey is the heaviest of our import LB's. In theory he could be a candidate at MLB as well although that would mean Smith starts at SAM. Woodbey is quick and seems to cover well.
I still have the game. I hadn't noticed at pas, but it's pretty obvious on the broadcast.
2 things of note:
He needed help off the field, that's not good
Ankle, yah, or knee. It may have been a non contact. That wouldn't be good.
He's graded out well, but not without a couple of costly mistakes.
Be gone a few games I bet :(
It's left knee. 4Q2:14. He's getting a stiff-arm pull to the ground that probably puts extra weight on the knee he's currently on. The knee then does a weird bend and his stride goes wonky. When his right leg hits his left leg bows outwards on its way back; looks strange. The his left leg comes down again in a slightly hyper-extended manner and he crumples. He's holding his left knee the whole time when he's falling, and laying there. He's putting almost no weight on the left leg when being helped off.
So it was contact, but not any blow to the knee, just extra weight and weird angles on the knee. Maybe others can speculate what this means. It's not the standard ACL look we see. Clearly something inside went wonky though. I guess the "lucky" thing would be a small strain. But even that can take weeks.
Well that sucks. Woodbey might be thought of as the next man up, but he's usually over at WILL? Or have we been giving him looks at SAM. Kramdi back to SAM is also an option, if he has that arm heal up. In fact, if Kramdi to SAM, Allen to FS would almost be ideal at this point.
Quote from: Tecno on August 07, 2026, 06:39:48 AMIt's left knee. 4Q2:14. He's getting a stiff-arm pull to the ground that probably puts extra weight on the knee he's currently on. The knee then does a weird bend and his stride goes wonky. When his right leg hits his left leg bows outwards on its way back; looks strange. The his left leg comes down again in a slightly hyper-extended manner and he crumples. He's holding his left knee the whole time when he's falling, and laying there. He's putting almost no weight on the left leg when being helped off.
So it was contact, but not any blow to the knee, just extra weight and weird angles on the knee. Maybe others can speculate what this means. It's not the standard ACL look we see. Clearly something inside went wonky though. I guess the "lucky" thing would be a small strain. But even that can take weeks.
Well that sucks. Woodbey might be thought of as the next man up, but he's usually over at WILL? Or have we been giving him looks at SAM. Kramdi back to SAM is also an option, if he has that arm heal up. In fact, if Kramdi to SAM, Allen to FS would almost be ideal at this point.
The depth chart shows Woodbey at SAM but that doesn't mean much. We don't know if or when Kramdi could return but sure he might be a possibility. Allen was extended on the 6 game IR and hasn't practised yet. He may miss the season.
Smith is also shown at WIL for what that's worth.
I don't want to be overly negative but we're rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic due to a large number of injuries.
Griffin's injury doesn't sound like one where we'll expect a quick recovery.
wow this sounds not great Techno and thanks for the play by play, your deep dives are awesome bud, keep it up
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2026, 01:15:15 PMThe depth chart shows Woodbey at SAM but that doesn't mean much. We don't know if or when Kramdi could return but sure he might be a possibility. Allen was extended on the 6 game IR and hasn't practised yet. He may miss the season.
Smith is also shown at WIL for what that's worth.
I don't want to be overly negative but we're rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic due to a large number of injuries.
Griffin's injury doesn't sound like one where we'll expect a quick recovery.
I believe Griffin also missed most of last season to injury, another great addition that can't stay healthy.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2026, 03:48:32 PMI believe Griffin also missed most of last season to injury, another great addition that can't stay healthy.
He missed 5 games in 2025 and 3 games in 2024.
Oh no. Not an injury one of our four hundred American hybrid linebackers.
...Just when our run defense and pass defense and situational defense were, err, almost, sort of maybe if you squint, coming together.
Griffin being out will cost us nothing. Don't worry, our Blitzes will still be ineffective and look like the most amateur thing you can think of. The run defense will be just as bad and the defensive backs will be a yard behind the receiver and a yard and half if it's under three minutes in either half.
What a blow for JY. He's going to have to erase 25 plays he concocted just for Griffin that look the same as every other play call but sound different to prove how great he is at calling plays.
My two cents,
Replace Griffin with Smith and utilize an import at safety, Maybe Mathew Jackson, or move Nichols and replace with import at db
Quote from: Pete on August 07, 2026, 08:01:56 PMMy two cents,
Replace Griffin with Smith and utilize an import at safety, Maybe Mathew Jackson, or move Nichols and replace with import at db
It is very sucky that Cam Allen got injured.
Quote from: Pete on August 07, 2026, 08:01:56 PMMy two cents,
Replace Griffin with Smith and utilize an import at safety, Maybe Mathew Jackson, or move Nichols and replace with import at db
On paper that sounds ok. In reality we don't know much about Jackson. Moving Nichols to safety and replacing him with Jackson might be part of a bigger solution.
As I suggested earlier I'm expecting Woodbey to slide in at SAM. What happens at safety and DHB could change in some format.
Texada might have an edge to be used at DHB but even that is not certain. His advantage is that he was here for the full TC but at CB.
Quote from: Jesse on August 07, 2026, 08:25:18 PMIt is very sucky that Cam Allen got injured.
Yes and no. It seemed fairly obvious that Kramdi was being moved to safety. That didn't leave room for Allen on the AR just due to ratio etc. It became a question about whether he'd accept a role on the PR or how we deal with that situation.
Put another way, 8 only played about 8 games and wasn't certain to make the roster at all.
I'm not dissing him but that was the way it looked before TC and decisions made.
Now with other injuries, there may have been a role for him, bu timing is everything when making those choices.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2026, 08:28:24 PMYes and no. It seemed fairly obvious that Kramdi was being moved to safety. That didn't leave room for Allen on the AR just due to ratio etc. It became a question about whether he'd accept a role on the PR or how we deal with that situation.
Put another way, 8 only played about 8 games and wasn't certain to make the roster at all.
I'm not dissing him but that was the way it looked before TC and decisions made.
Now with other injuries, there may have been a role for him, bu timing is everything when making those choices.
I never fully believed that. Even Kramdi at "safety" isn't really what Allen was doing. I think Allen would be on the roster if this wasn't an injury issue. Especially since our secondary has sucked, he'd be in now even if he didn't start the season starting.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2026, 04:15:10 PMHe missed 5 games in 2025 and 3 games in 2024.
Thanks he wasn't a starter last season, so it's hard to remember.
Quote from: Jesse on August 07, 2026, 10:34:21 PMI never fully believed that. Even Kramdi at "safety" isn't really what Allen was doing. I think Allen would be on the roster if this wasn't an injury issue. Especially since our secondary has sucked, he'd be in now even if he didn't start the season starting.
You aren't taking into effect either the ratio or domino effect. Griffin took over at SAM when Kramdi moved to safety. I
How do you maintain the ratio and find room for another import on the roster. All of that is beyond whether Allen is a good, bad or average safety.
It's the same problem now if we choose to add another import. In theory there might be a spot now if Griffin is out.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 08, 2026, 01:13:37 PMYou aren't taking into effect either the ratio or domino effect. Griffin took over at SAM when Kramdi moved to safety. I
How do you maintain the ratio and find room for another import on the roster. All of that is beyond whether Allen is a good, bad or average safety.
It's the same problem now if we choose to add another import. In theory there might be a spot now if Griffin is out.
I wouldn't have changed anything from last year. Allen would be at safety, Kramdi would have been at SAM and They'd have to drop some other important off the roster. It's not a challenging thought process, imo. And I think it's what would of happened if not for Allen's injury.
Quote from: Jesse on August 08, 2026, 01:30:23 PMI wouldn't have changed anything from last year. Allen would be at safety, Kramdi would have been at SAM and They'd have to drop some other important off the roster. It's not a challenging thought process, imo. And I think it's what would of happened if not for Allen's injury.
IMO it was pre-determined before TC started. It was how they were going to get Griffin on as a full time starter as opposed to a rotational player.
It's easy to say just drop someone off the roster but clearly they didn't plan to do that. In fact they have made zero effort to find and roster an import safety even after having an injury to Kramdi.
The question has been the same every week for over a year. How do we add an import that we should have without taking an import LB off the roster while maintaining the ratio.
I've long argued to take Ayers off the roster for a player at another position. That doesn't add a starting import to the roster though.
Ultimately you need to find another starting Canadian. Those on the DL are not good enough to be full time even as a rotational group. Smith is not ready to be a full time starter.
If Allen was healthy today, you still would have a problem getting him on the roster.
Like I said you aren't taking ratio ramifications into the reality of our roster.
Now that Griffin may be lost due to injury we'll have an open spot for a DI. That doesn't open a spot for an import safety starting. Woodbey moves from DI to a starter in theory.
Go ahead. Tell me which starting import on defence you want to move to a DI spot and which Canadian gets more reps? I'll repeat that some suggestions included starting Ball at CB or Smith at SAM.
You'll have to ask yourself why there wasn't more competition in TC for an import safety if that was the plan?
Quote from: Jesse on August 08, 2026, 01:30:23 PMI wouldn't have changed anything from last year. Allen would be at safety, Kramdi would have been at SAM and They'd have to drop some other important off the roster. It's not a challenging thought process, imo. And I think it's what would of happened if not for Allen's injury.
Watch the game, Jake Kelly is currently playing in Allen's Safety spot, Kramdi is playing a different unrestricted position that no body else can cover without a high level of instruction where to line up for each play. Kramdi is at the level of coach on the field and he probably decides himself where he's needed most.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 08, 2026, 02:21:31 PMWatch the game, Jake Kelly is currently playing in Allen's Safety spot, Kramdi is playing a different unrestricted position that no body else can cover without a high level of instruction where to line up for each play. Kramdi is at the level of coach on the field and he probably decides himself where he's needed most.
Yes Kelly wasn't on the field for most defensive plays before Kramdi was injured.
It's too bad that the roster doesn't clearly define the DI's.
Castillo and Vaval are 2 of them. Two of Woodbey, Fletcher and Ayers would have been the other 2 last week. Was Fletcher the player that WASN'T a DI in that scenario? That's where our depth is Canadian. I'd take it that he'd see less reps than Reese for example.
Injuries have obviously taken a toll.
IIRC, Woodbey made the roster last year due to injuries. Allen only played 10 games and Woodbey only 8 Griffin only 13. I'm not clear on whether all 3 were on the roster at the same time?
Griffin out, Nat to replace him, Boulaine onto the roster and sign Gino, Cobb to the PR/RR
Quote from: theaardvark on August 08, 2026, 02:56:57 PMGriffin out, Nat to replace him, Boulaine onto the roster and sign Gino, Cobb to the PR/RR
Woodbey will most likely replace Griffin starting. If Lewis is brought in on Monday then you might get your suggestion.
Clark should be coming off the 6 game IR this week, so I'm thinking he may be added. Who he replaces is less obvious.
I've mentioned earlier that I expect 1 of Hazen or Jackson to be added to the AR to replace Griffin. Not much sample size for either but IMO Jackson should be the one added because he also plays ST's.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 08, 2026, 02:14:21 PMIMO it was pre-determined before TC started. It was how they were going to get Griffin on as a full time starter as opposed to a rotational player.
It's easy to say just drop someone off the roster but clearly they didn't plan to do that. In fact they have made zero effort to find and roster an import safety even after having an injury to Kramdi.
The question has been the same every week for over a year. How do we add an import that we should have without taking an import LB off the roster while maintaining the ratio.
I've long argued to take Ayers off the roster for a player at another position. That doesn't add a starting import to the roster though.
Ultimately you need to find another starting Canadian. Those on the DL are not good enough to be full time even as a rotational group. Smith is not ready to be a full time starter.
If Allen was healthy today, you still would have a problem getting him on the roster.
Like I said you aren't taking ratio ramifications into the reality of our roster.
Now that Griffin may be lost due to injury we'll have an open spot for a DI. That doesn't open a spot for an import safety starting. Woodbey moves from DI to a starter in theory.
Go ahead. Tell me which starting import on defence you want to move to a DI spot and which Canadian gets more reps? I'll repeat that some suggestions included starting Ball at CB or Smith at SAM.
You'll have to ask yourself why there wasn't more competition in TC for an import safety if that was the plan?
Yeah, we've been over all the options multiple times before, I don't think we need to do it again. I know you disagree, but I still believe Allen is on the roster if healthy. They literally did it last year. I'm not sure why you think it would be so difficult.
Quote from: Jesse on August 08, 2026, 03:11:48 PMYeah, we've been over all the options multiple times before, I don't think we need to do it again. I know you disagree, but I still believe Allen is on the roster if healthy. They literally did it last year. I'm not sure why you think it would be so difficult.
I told you why and won't accept what the team decided before TC. Kramdi to safety and Griffin to SAM. No effort to find a new import safety regardless of how they shuffle rest of the deck. Even in TC and pre-season, Kramdi was getting most reps starting DAY ONE.
It does seem you want to keep bringing it up so it's more than me just disagreeing.
Again. Kramdi DAY ONE in TC at safety. Pre-season game one, Kramdi at safety. In both games Griffin and then Woodbey at SAM. That direction seems pretty clear.
Quote from: Pete on August 07, 2026, 08:01:56 PMMy two cents,
Replace Griffin with Smith and utilize an import at safety, Maybe Mathew Jackson, or move Nichols and replace with import at db
Moving Nichols is an absolute no brainer at this point. Not sure he's capable of playing safety but I'd stick Jake Kelly at half and if he gets beat every three plays we're no worse than with Nichols but we've got a Canadian there which may take some heat away from our offense. And I say that thinking Kelly would probably be better at this point anyway. It would be hard to be worse.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 08, 2026, 04:31:12 PMMoving Nichols is an absolute no brainer at this point. Not sure he's capable of playing safety but I'd stick Jake Kelly at half and if he gets beat every three plays we're no worse than with Nichols but we've got a Canadian there which may take some heat away from our offense. And I say that thinking Kelly would probably be better at this point anyway. It would be hard to be worse.
We must have had 12 rookie DB's in TC. Maybe more through mini camps and pre season. We have 2 import DB's on the PR.
None of these players were good enough to win either a PR spot, or win a starting role?
Maybe Kelly switching with Nichols is an option but that doesn't say much about our PR depth. I'm not expecting that as a possible change but who knows.
Smith to SAM might be closer to what we might see but I doubt that as well. Either way, it does nothing to resolve a change at safety or DHB.
Texada was at CB during pre-season but he'd be the current most likely to be inserted at DHB IMO. Jackson seems more suited to CB or SAM but has been around less time.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 08, 2026, 04:39:40 PMWe must have had 12 rookie DB's in TC. Maybe more through mini camps and pre season. We have 2 import DB's on the PR.
None of these players were good enough to win either a PR spot, or win a starting role?
Maybe Kelly switching with Nichols is an option but that doesn't say much about our PR depth. I'm not expecting that as a possible change but who knows.
Smith to SAM might be closer to what we might see but I doubt that as well. Either way, it does nothing to resolve a change at safety or DHB.
Texada was at CB during pre-season but he'd be the current most likely to be inserted at DHB IMO. Jackson seems more suited to CB or SAM but has been around less time.
I think we, once again, did a poor job evaluating new talent and comparing it to the starters we currently have.
Absolutely we could have went younger and cheaper and likely better at Nichols half spot than what he's delivered.
This is where O'Shea needs to put on his big boy face, cut a guy he really likes and bring back someone who is younger, cheaper and has upside.
I'm okay that the mistake was made, I'm less sympathetic to continuing to make the same mistake over and over.
Unfortunately we've seen a pattern of decisions made before TC to stick with veterans and a lack of any real competition. This has been true for several seasons.
It's a combination of that philosophy, recruitment and drafting.
IMO it started with not being able to upgrade our Canadian starters. Aside from import veterans added in free agency we didn't do a great job upgrading our imports overall. Elsbury was here in 2025. Williams is the best newbie. Fletcher and Reese might have a future. Roster decisions and ratio decisions have been arguments all of last year questioning choices.
I have no problem that they brought back Jaworski but weren't any of the rookies from 2026 worth a 2nd look? We don't know which if any of that group declined a PR spot. OTOH, I wouldn't say either Fletcher or Reese have a lock on a roster spot. Clearly Jenkins has been bumped off the PR.
Hmmm. During pre-season Stuart was getting a lot of reps in the secondary and they were high on him when drafted. It's catch 22 since we don't see how well or how badly players look in practice. Is he just another ST player in the future or does he work into a more significant role as injuries take their toll?
I'm not recommending this change per se but exploring every option of who we have on our PR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 08, 2026, 04:30:57 PMI told you why and won't accept what the team decided before TC. Kramdi to safety and Griffin to SAM. No effort to find a new import safety regardless of how they shuffle rest of the deck. Even in TC and pre-season, Kramdi was getting most reps starting DAY ONE.
It does seem you want to keep bringing it up so it's more than me just disagreeing.
Again. Kramdi DAY ONE in TC at safety. Pre-season game one, Kramdi at safety. In both games Griffin and then Woodbey at SAM. That direction seems pretty clear.
Yeah, but you're doing that thing where you think the depth chart means anything. They would probably list Kramdi at safety, and Allen as back-up DB, but they both play the same positions that they did last year. But Allen got hurt.
Kramdi never played safety. He stayed back with another player and inevitably moved up closer to the line the vast majority of the time while other players stayed deep as the "safety".
Quote from: Jesse on August 08, 2026, 06:10:38 PMKramdi never played safety. He stayed back with another player and inevitably moved up closer to the line the vast majority of the time while other players stayed deep as the "safety".
I'm not convinced of that. On passing downs I thought kramdi and Kelly were acting as 2 safeties, mostly in zone, as the deep zone back stops.
Yes, if he sniffed run or short pass kramdi would cheat up closer. But the primary task is to make younger's infamous blanket zone.
After all, that set was only ever in for passing downs.
Quote from: Jesse on August 08, 2026, 06:10:38 PMYeah, but you're doing that thing where you think the depth chart means anything. They would probably list Kramdi at safety, and Allen as back-up DB, but they both play the same positions that they did last year. But Allen got hurt.
Kramdi never played safety. He stayed back with another player and inevitably moved up closer to the line the vast majority of the time while other players stayed deep as the "safety".
Not at all. I mentioned that 1st day training camp reports had Kramdi taking 1st team reps at safety. It was mentioned by O'Shea that they were considering that before TC.
It was obvious that was partially needed to get Griffin a more substantial role instead of being just a rotational player.
Allen only played 10 games IIRC. He got on the roster after a series of other injuries allowed that to happen. Going into 2026, the ratio didn't support an import at safety and still get Woodbey and Griffin on the roster at the same time. Quite often we also didn't have a DL as a DI while trying to keep both of those LB's on the roster. A 5 import secondary was not on the radar.
All of that has squat to do with depth charts. It's a choice of which imports the team wanted on the roster based on limit of imports caused by the ratio.
Quote from: Tecno on August 08, 2026, 11:04:40 PMI'm not convinced of that. On passing downs I thought kramdi and Kelly were acting as 2 safeties, mostly in zone, as the deep zone back stops.
Yes, if he sniffed run or short pass kramdi would cheat up closer. But the primary task is to make younger's infamous blanket zone.
After all, that set was only ever in for passing downs.
You rarely see Kramdi covering deep patterns, mainly because he's not fast enough to keep up with the majority of receivers. When they use 2 Safeties they are not lined up in parallel, Kramdi is down low guarding against draws, dumps and underside routes while Kelly covers the deeper routes along with Nichols or Holm. That ends up looking like a 3-4-5 arrangement, which gives them the option of blitzing a LB if they want to introduce deception.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 07, 2026, 05:21:51 PMOh no. Not an injury one of our four hundred American hybrid linebackers.
...Just when our run defense and pass defense and situational defense were, err, almost, sort of maybe if you squint, coming together.
Griffin being out will cost us nothing. Don't worry, our Blitzes will still be ineffective and look like the most amateur thing you can think of. The run defense will be just as bad and the defensive backs will be a yard behind the receiver and a yard and half if it's under three minutes in either half.
What a blow for JY. He's going to have to erase 25 plays he concocted just for Griffin that look the same as every other play call but sound different to prove how great he is at calling plays.
No we will miss him. He was playing well. Yes we are deep here.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 07, 2026, 04:15:10 PMHe missed 5 games in 2025 and 3 games in 2024.
Nice to have the facts,thanks.
We got Woodbey back last week and he'll probably be playing at SAM. The timing is a little unfortunate going from a rotational player and starting after last week. OTOH, injuries forced our hand. I think we all agree he's a better option today than forcing Smith into the starting role.
That said, Smith has been healthy all season and it would certainly be a ratio advantage. How the team would use that advantage is guess work.
Maybe someone at practice can tell us if Woodbey is at SAM?
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 09, 2026, 06:36:32 PMWe got Woodbey back last week and he'll probably be playing at SAM. The timing is a little unfortunate going from a rotational player and starting after last week. OTOH, injuries forced our hand. I think we all agree he's a better option today than forcing Smith into the starting role.
That said, Smith has been healthy all season and it would certainly be a ratio advantage. How the team would use that advantage is guess work.
Maybe someone at practice can tell us if Woodbey is at SAM?
They've both been subbing in for Kyrie, who is playing the middle position, I don't think Griffin was being rotated out at all so probably better to give that job to Woodbey and let Smith continue to rotate with Kyrie.