Giovanni Manu and Kevin Cline remain WFC property, any chance either shakes loose?
I love Bryant and everything he has given, and he has given everything, for the WFC. But I don't think there is a fan that would begrudge him stepping aside.
Is Broxton his heir apparent? The contract we gave him screams yes. But what is the extent of his injury?
Wallace is NOT the answer at OT, I am very surprised that Neufeld did not move to OT. He has the experience there, but is it a case of, like Stan, he's lost a step?
There is no doubt we need Oline help. Do we have the beef to make it work, and are missing coaching, or is it a problem with the beef?
Yes, I'm going to say it, Bob Wylie. Can "Set HUT" make a difference? Does he have a month of guest coaching left in his system? I know he likes the finer things in life, if the Bombers offered him some nice perks, can we get him in here to coach our Oline and coaches? He is the hog whisperer, would it hurt to try?
We'll see if Broxton practises today or is moved to 6 game IR. IMO it's 50/50 either way. Might be an ankle sprain or worse which means a problem for at least this week.
I've mentioned as I see it, we either look at signing D. Allen. That would suggest a longer more serious injury to Broxton.
Our only other current option is Poncius who I believe is an OT. Vibert is either a guard or centre so he's not a choice to start.
I suppose we may bring back Mazzccua and shuffle the OL again. However, I think that is not a good choice.
So. fingers crossed that Broxton survives to play another game.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 27, 2026, 05:08:23 PMGiovanni Manu and Kevin Cline remain WFC property, any chance either shakes loose?
I love Bryant and everything he has given, and he has given everything, for the WFC. But I don't think there is a fan that would begrudge him stepping aside.
Is Broxton his heir apparent? The contract we gave him screams yes. But what is the extent of his injury?
Wallace is NOT the answer at OT, I am very surprised that Neufeld did not move to OT. He has the experience there, but is it a case of, like Stan, he's lost a step?
There is no doubt we need Oline help. Do we have the beef to make it work, and are missing coaching, or is it a problem with the beef?
Yes, I'm going to say it, Bob Wylie. Can "Set HUT" make a difference? Does he have a month of guest coaching left in his system? I know he likes the finer things in life, if the Bombers offered him some nice perks, can we get him in here to coach our Oline and coaches? He is the hog whisperer, would it hurt to try?
As discussed on another thread the O-line appears to be poorly managed with no help in sight, depending on the extent of Broxton's injury they could be in a heap of trouble. If they can't afford to bring in Dejon Allen, bring Eric Lofton or someone else in real quick. Don't know if any team is sitting on an excess of O-linemen but a trade is always a possibility, Bombers always have an abundance of LB types.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2026, 05:21:15 PMAs discussed on another thread the O-line appears to be poorly managed with no help in sight, depending on the extent of Broxton's injury they could be in a heap of trouble. If they can't afford to bring in Dejon Allen, bring Eric Lofton or someone else in real quick. Don't know if any team is sitting on an excess of O-linemen but a trade is always a possibility, Bombers always have an abundance of LB types.
With the number of Oline injuries of ;ate, no team is trading an Oline that has made their AR. If they are, that means there is someone on their PR that is better. So, we COULD pluck someone off another team's PR... are there any OT's languishing on a PR behind 2 solid OT's on an AR out there?
Should we go through some preseason film and see if there is a prospect worth plucking?
so hard to add quality right now
D.Allen or Lofton would be possibilities.
You're likely waiting at least another month on Manu and Cline.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 27, 2026, 05:27:15 PMWith the number of Oline injuries of ;ate, no team is trading an Oline that has made their AR. If they are, that means there is someone on their PR that is better. So, we COULD pluck someone off another team's PR... are there any OT's languishing on a PR behind 2 solid OT's on an AR out there?
Should we go through some preseason film and see if there is a prospect worth plucking?
The infamous Jamar McGloster is free floating around in the ether as is Manitoba boy Landon Rice.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2026, 06:03:35 PMThe infamous Jamar McGloster is free floating around in the ether as is Manitoba boy Landon Rice.
Rice is only 38. He should have at least a couple more years in him! Line him up with Stanley and we could set a record for oldest average age for starting OTs :D
No one new at practice.
As per DT:
Micah Vanterpool was at RT and Hunter Poncius filling in at LT for Stanley Bryant.
Broxton and Bryant were at practice but didnt participate.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 27, 2026, 06:10:21 PMNo one new at practice.
As per DT:
Micah Vanterpool was at RT and Hunter Poncius filling in at LT for Stanley Bryant.
Broxton and Bryant were at practice but didnt participate.
This is what I came to say. Any new faces we see along the OL are coming from the existing roster.
Whoever our Oline coach is, they need help or to be replaced. Bryant not practicing means something is up.
Bryant IMO would make a great coach. He's a natural leader and great communicator. Next step?
Re-watched the game, I don't think Stan is going to survive the season, he was getting beat every which way imaginable. Yoshi lost some weight in the season he rehabbed and came back stronger, I doubt Stan even trains in the off season, he's used to cruising along on easy street.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2026, 06:55:58 PMRe-watched the game, I don't think Stan is going to survive the season, he was getting beat every which way imaginable. Yoshi lost some weight in the season he rehabbed and came back stronger, I doubt Stan even trains in the off season, he's used to cruising along on easy street.
That's just ridiculous and disrespectful. The guy is going to be down as the greatest OL in team and league history. You think he doesn't train for that?
Quote from: Jesse on July 27, 2026, 07:27:38 PMThat's just ridiculous and disrespectful. The guy is going to be down as the greatest OL in team and league history. You think he doesn't train for that?
Obviously not enough to compete at his age, there's good reason older players retire. Willy puts in the hard work, his offseason training regime is brutal, but it's helped keep him healthy and effective throughout his career.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 27, 2026, 09:19:29 PMObviously not enough to compete at his age, there's good reason older players retire. Willy puts in the hard work, his offseason training regime is brutal, but it's helped keep him healthy and effective throughout his career.
He's also not on the field for every play on offence. OL are on the field for every play with the possible exception of punts, K/O's or FG attempts.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 27, 2026, 11:07:03 PMHe's also not on the field for every play on offence. OL are on the field for every play with the possible exception of punts, K/O's or FG attempts.
Willie might be rotating a bit more this season but he rarely came off the field last year because they had almost no rotation at DE.
Here's a list of FA O-Lineman I compiled the other day...
Dariusz Bladek (32)
Trevon Tate (30)
Darius Ciraco (30)
Jacob Ruby (33)
Jamar McGloster (31)
Eric Lofton (33)
Ryan Sceviour (31)
Shane Richards (31)
Kyle Saxelid (31)
Eric Starczala (29)
Philip Grohovac (26)
Martez Ivey (31)
David Knevel (31)
Josiah St John (34)
Ya, but what we really need if the list of OT capable guys, which is usually far less than half that list.
I mentioned mcgloster on the other thread. He's probably most likely to still be in shape. Rice didn't really play all last season so he's finally done. Lofton didn't play but was still signed last season, I think, so in theory he should be good, and he knows the wfc system somewhat.
I too was surprised neuf didn't kick out to OT, that's what we usually do. Maybe we figured our run game would disappear if we did that.
Maybe we're seeing what mafia wants as the eventual desired OL... Broxton would get LT and Wallace RT. If they could make that work, as in Wallace actually able to do passpro as a tackle, it would be ideal. Assuming we have a NAT good enough to be guard...
That might be a pipe dream, but I suppose worth experimenting with!
The key may be this question: is Wallace continually improving? Or has he peaked at mediocrity? I don't know the answer to this.
And I question always bumping elsbury to guard. I think that ends up sucking worse than just plunking Eli into guard. Why make things more complicated??
Quote from: bomberjunkie on July 28, 2026, 03:44:25 AMHere's a list of FA O-Lineman I compiled the other day...
Dariusz Bladek (32)
Trevon Tate (30)
Darius Ciraco (30)
Jacob Ruby (33)
Jamar McGloster (31)
Eric Lofton (33)
Ryan Sceviour (31)
Shane Richards (31)
Kyle Saxelid (31)
Eric Starczala (29)
Philip Grohovac (26)
Martez Ivey (31)
David Knevel (31)
Josiah St John (34)
Not sure father time or sister talent is any less an issue with anyone on this list.
I don't think Gabe was ever an OT prospect, but he is an OG road grader. I guess having him move into Neuf's role as emergency OT makes sense from a development standpoint.
I agree with not swapping out so many parts, Eli in at OG makes more sense than him in at C and bumping Elsbury out.
Neuf to RT and Eli to RG makes more sense...
I still think some more coaching /inspiration is what is needed. If Wiley isn't available, maybe something as simple as a Walby drop in to inspire the troops. I can't imaging they are coming out of the film room inspired right now. Yes, it is very important to look at the mistakes and plan on how to fix them. But looking at that much failure... I hope they are showing a "fail" on the screen, and then backing it up with a great play from earlier in the season.
This is the mistake, but we know you can do it right, because here is film showing you doing the better job.
Condell is obviously installing packages, a team must do that to keep things fresh and invalidate film study and adapt to a new QB's strengths. But i seems like he has taken his oline past their level of competence, and needs to dial back a bit.
Quote from: Tecno on July 28, 2026, 05:16:38 AMAnd I question always bumping elsbury to guard. I think that ends up sucking worse than just plunking Eli into guard. Why make things more complicated??
My guess is they don't think Eli can handle one on one pass protection as well as Elsbury, and would struggle.
Quote from: bunker on July 28, 2026, 04:27:33 PMMy guess is they don't think Eli can handle one on one pass protection as well as Elsbury, and would struggle.
Other bad news Vibert is not getting any reps so unless Manu and Cline get cut from the NFL the pipeline is bone dry.
Lots of starters not practising yesterday. Demski and Oliveria will probably play. Not sure about either OT so that's a big problem.
I'm not expecting the Lions to score much with a bad running game and a rookie QB making his 1st start. The question is whether we can mount an offence with our injuries?
Is Sukh Chungh retired?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 28, 2026, 06:04:21 PMIs Sukh Chungh retired?
Please no. He was terrible for the Lions. He's well past it now.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 28, 2026, 05:35:31 PMLots of starters not practising yesterday. Demski and Oliveria will probably play. Not sure about either OT so that's a big problem.
I'm not expecting the Lions to score much with a bad running game and a rookie QB making his 1st start. The question is whether we can mount an offence with our injuries?
I would plan on our O line struggling, so get the ball out early and often. If our hoggies can't open holes for BO, it may be one brutal offense vs another brutal offense. I just hope we address the interception issue
Quote from: dd on July 28, 2026, 06:40:20 PMI would plan on our O line struggling, so get the ball out early and often. If our hoggies can't open holes for BO, it may be one brutal offense vs another brutal offense. I just hope we address the interception issue
Even if they bring Vanterpool in at ROT Betts is going to feast on the poor mobility of both Tackles. Brady needs to stay home and help protect the QB along with Daniels, Eli or MCI, take your pick.
How about we run BO to the side opposite Betts, with MCI at FB and Daniels TE clearing the way.
At least 50% of the snaps as such, on 1st down every time, and then RPO to Pokey on a go route.
There, we win the game.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 28, 2026, 07:40:51 PMHow about we run BO to the side opposite Betts, with MCI at FB and Daniels TE clearing the way.
Betts is a true rush end. Ears pinned back and goes all out for the QB. The knock against him is that he performs poorly against the run.
Winnipeg needs to establish the run but I don't think running away from Betts is necessary.
I still say Betts is horribly over-rated. I don't remember him ever contributing in a major way against us.
Quote from: bomberjunkie on July 28, 2026, 06:14:47 PMPlease no. He was terrible for the Lions. He's well past it now.
Mostly kidding. I was surprised to not see him on that list of other OL of similar vintage.
Quote from: Jesse on July 28, 2026, 08:17:58 PMI still say Betts is horribly over-rated. I don't remember him ever contributing in a major way against us.
Betts is a pure pass rusher, he preys on a players weakness and exploits it. He's had enough big games I can respect his value but he is one dimensional and can be shut down.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 28, 2026, 08:43:31 PMMostly kidding. I was surprised to not see him on that list of other OL of similar vintage.
I may have intentionally omitted him.
Quote from: Jesse on July 28, 2026, 08:17:58 PMI still say Betts is horribly over-rated. I don't remember him ever contributing in a major way against us.
Agree with you and Stats Junkie. Betts is a rush DE and basically a one-trick pony. Keep him away from the QB and you essentially neutralize him. Being able to unleash Brady in this game will be key to winning it. He will be motivated and will reduce the need for Brown to put the ball in the air.
No gimmees but this game is winnable. The onus IMHO will be on the offence. Salter shouldn't scare us.
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 29, 2026, 04:46:19 AMNo gimmees but this game is winnable. The onus IMHO will be on the offence. Salter shouldn't scare us.
Oh, I'm scared. With our current team, I'm super scared. :-X :'( :-[
BC will play ultra-conservative ball-control type O. The new kid will have no leash to throw mid/deep INTs. It'll be full dink & dunk, which is our kryptonite. And us? We'll play our normal 4 INT, 5 fumble game and probably lose. Oh ya, and that kid looks like he can run, so he'll rip us for multiple 15Y runs because the DC('s) didn't "expect them to do that" and our flat is always gaping.
Quote from: bomberjunkie on July 28, 2026, 06:14:47 PMPlease no. He was terrible for the Lions. He's well past it now.
Ah, but the question isn't "is Chungh good", the question is "is Chungh better than Eli/Elsbury at OG". The scary thing is I can't give you an answer to that.
Quote from: Tecno on July 29, 2026, 08:25:28 AMOh, I'm scared. With our current team, I'm super scared. :-X :'( :-[
BC will play ultra-conservative ball-control type O. The new kid will have no leash to throw mid/deep INTs. It'll be full dink & dunk, which is our kryptonite. And us? We'll play our normal 4 INT, 5 fumble game and probably lose. Oh ya, and that kid looks like he can run, so he'll rip us for multiple 15Y runs because the DC('s) didn't "expect them to do that" and our flat is always gaping.
Did you watch Salter play? He has a very nice, fat release and throws a ball with zip on target.
The biggest downside I see in his game is how flat his trajectory is. I predict a higher number of knockdowns this game. This Dline will feast, and as long as our DB/LBs get in front of receivers, there will be PBUs and maybe INTs.
If we can keep him making mistakes and staying off the field, maybe our O can do something.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 29, 2026, 03:14:17 PMDid you watch Salter play? He has a very nice, fat release and throws a ball with zip on target.
The biggest downside I see in his game is how flat his trajectory is. I predict a higher number of knockdowns this game. This Dline will feast, and as long as our DB/LBs get in front of receivers, there will be PBUs and maybe INTs.
If we can keep him making mistakes and staying off the field, maybe our O can do something.
He's had 15 pass attempts with 9 completions. Period. He's greener than green and he's playing behind an OL with 2 forced changes due to injuries.
Our defence should be able to dominate. If we can't then we need to make some serious changes.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 29, 2026, 04:10:31 PMHe's had 15 pass attempts with 9 completions. Period. He's greener than green and he's playing behind an OL with 2 forced changes due to injuries.
Our defence should be able to dominate. If we can't then we need to make some serious changes.
I saw a scrambling QB that was wildly looking for anyone to throw the ball to with no conception of what he was looking at, similar to what Perkins showed in pre-season and hundreds of other scrambling QB's before him. I think Buck made a serious mistake taking the keys away from Brice after one game and if Rourke can't save his butt with a second half miracle, he'll be fired or demoted at the end of this season.
Tecno's crystal ball needs a polishing. All signs point to an easy Bomber win. The only thing not in our favor is our record in games before bye weeks.
How did this thread go from air lifting in a OL to BCs QB Salter. Let's try and keep this thread on track. if you want to talk about Salter and BCs QB issues you can do it on the game day thread.