Game Day Sunday. It will be a formidable challenge for the Bombers. Injuries still prevail but there is a good chance Ontaria Wilson and Jake Ceresna will be ready.
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Ed Tait's 48-Hour Primer is here https://www.bluebombers.com/2026/07/03/48-hour-primer-week-5-hamilton/
Odds favour the 'Cats but it's CFL football so let's wait until the end of the game. In the meantime, bring it on and let's go Bombers!
Man there's some heavy hitters on that injury list and it's only the start of the season
Both Wallace and Eli "questionable"? And an interesting move with Jenkins? Might we get our first 4 IMP OL? If Wallace is out, I'd rather see Vant at LG instead of any other option. Elsbury has return & stay at C. If no ratio room for Vant, give LG to Eli. Vibert takes 6th.
IF Wallace and Eli both end up "out", then we're forced to start Vant, and Vibert would take 6th.
Of course, in the end it'll probably be a lot of hoopla about nothing and we'll be back to our week 1 OL.
I'm hoping we bring on Dorian Singer.
4 import OL today. Wallace was reported as " full " at practice so is this a demotion of sorts with a perceived improvement to our OL. They could be just being cautious with him being nicked. Since he was moved to the reserve instead of ELI, that seems to be the case.
It's going to be interesting to see how this new version performs in both pass and run blocking.
None of the players on the 6 game IR moved to 1 game IR. Nobody on 1 game IR. So I guess those that were practising were in week 4 and allowed to do so. To that regard unless we have additional injuries, they will serve out the full 6 game IR stint.
To that end it's good news that our depth improves should it be required, particularly the Canadian walking wounded.
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Winnipeg Blue Bombers shuffle trenches against Tiger-Cats
by John Hodge July 4, 2026
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have shuffled their offensive and defensive lines for Sunday's game against the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. The team released its official depth chart on Saturday morning.
Patrick Neufeld will start at right guard after missing last week's loss to the Edmonton Elks. The 37-year-old was a late scratch and told the media at practice on Tuesday that he missed the game because he and his wife were busy welcoming twins — one girl and one boy.
Winnipeg has also made a change at left guard with Gabe Wallace being placed on the reserve roster. The 26-year-old native of Salmon Arm, B.C. missed one day of practice this week with a shoulder injury and was officially listed as questionable.
Micah Mazzccua (pronounced: 'Muh-ZOOKa') will make his first career CFL start in Wallace's place. The six-foot-five, 344-pound blocker played collegiately at Baylor, Florida, and Nebraska. In 2022, the native of Philadelphia, Pa. was Pro Football Focus (PFF)'s second-highest-graded guard in the Big 12.
With two American tackles and Byron, Ill. native Tyler Elsbury at centre, the Blue Bombers will start four American offensive linemen for the first time this season and possibly the first time in franchise history. Tui Eli will be the only backup offensive lineman on the roster.
The Blue Bombers have also made a change to their starting defensive line, demoting Kydran Jenkins to the practice roster. The 24-year-old started the team's first three games at defensive end opposite Willie Jefferson and recorded three tackles.
The Purdue product has been replaced by David Reese, who has made one defensive tackle in a depth role through two games this season. The 25-year-old native of Fort Pierce, Fla. finished his collegiate career at Syracuse in 2025, recording 27 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, two fumble recoveries, and three pass breakups.
Ethan Vibert, who was promoted to the active roster late last week, has been moved back to the practice roster. Winnipeg native Collin Kornelson has been promoted to the active roster to provide some added depth at defensive tackle. The six-foot-two, 285-pound defender has made three defensive tackles in nine career regular-season games.
Dru Brown, who was recently acquired from the Ottawa Redblacks in a trade, remains on the reserve roster and will not dress.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (1-2) will visit the Hamilton Tiger-Cats (2-1) at Hamilton Stadium on Sunday, July 5 with kickoff scheduled for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 23-18 loss to the Edmonton Elks, while the Tiger-Cats were on bye.
The weather forecast in Hamilton calls for a high of 28 degrees and a 40 percent chance of rain. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg or the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton.
https://3downnation.com/2026/07/04/winnipeg-blue-bombers-shuffle-trenches-against-tiger-cats/
Jamal Peters returns, Wynton McManis debuts for Hamilton Tiger-Cats against Bombers
by 3Down Staff July 4, 2026
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats will have a pair of All-CFL defenders back in the lineup when they face the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Sunday.
Cornerback Jamal Peters is slated to make his return after suffering an apparent head injury in the last meeting between these two teams in Week 3. The 29-year-old was taken off on a stretcher after receiving a blow to the helmet from Tommy Nield's knee but was cleared by medical staff relatively quickly and has since made a full recovery.
The six-foot-two, 220-pound defender was named All-CFL in 2025 after recording 50 defensive tackles and six interceptions over 16 regular-season games. Over 68 career regular-season games, Peters has tallied 212 defensive tackles, four special teams tackles, 21 interceptions, two forced fumbles, and one sack, twice earning All-CFL honours.
Zamari Walton will move from boundary corner to the fieldside to make room for Peters, while Devodric Bynum has been placed on the reserve roster.
Veteran linebacker Wynton McManis is also slated to make his regular-season debut for the Tabbies after missing the first three games with a bone bruise in his knee. The prized free agent acquisition has played 100 regular-season CFL games over seven seasons with the Calgary Stampeders and Toronto Argonauts. He has recorded 390 defensive tackles, 52 special teams tackles, 16 sacks, nine interceptions, four forced fumbles, and three touchdowns, earning two All-CFL selections and winning three Grey Cups.
McManis is listed behind Canadian starter Ryan Baker on the depth chart, but has been designated as a nationalized American, which will allow him to replace a Canadian defensive lineman in sub packages, while also playing an unlimited number of snaps in place of weakside linebacker Braxton Hill. Rookie Jordan Crook has been demoted to the practice roster to make room.
The Ticats have made no other changes to their lineup, though Canadian defensive back Robert Panabaker (undisclosed) and Canadian defensive tackle Charbel Dabire (back) have both been listed as game-time decisions.
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats (2-1) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (1-2) at Hamilton Stadium on Sunday, July 5, with kickoff scheduled for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The Blue Bombers are coming off a 23-18 loss to the Edmonton Elks, while the Tiger-Cats were on bye.
The weather forecast in Hamilton calls for a high of 28 degrees and a 40 percent chance of rain. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on 680 CJOB in Winnipeg or Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton.
https://3downnation.com/2026/07/04/jamal-peters-returns-wynton-mcmanis-debuts-for-hamilton-tiger-cats-against-bombers/
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2026, 02:55:22 PM4 import OL today. Wallace was reported as " full " at practice so is this a demotion of sorts with a perceived improvement to our OL. They could be just being cautious with him being nicked. Since he was moved to the reserve instead of ELI, that seems to be the case.
It's going to be interesting to see how this new version performs in both pass and run blocking.
None of the players on the 6 game IR moved to 1 game IR. Nobody on 1 game IR. So I guess those that were practising were in week 4 and allowed to do so. To that regard unless we have additional injuries, they will serve out the full 6 game IR stint.
To that end it's good news that our depth improves should it be required, particularly the Canadian walking wounded.
What's up with Vanterpool? Where did he go?
big test for the mostly american o line.
gabe wasn't getting it done so he gets benched
Quote from: The Zipp on July 04, 2026, 05:36:05 PMbig test for the mostly american o line.
gabe wasn't getting it done so he gets benched
At the same time, we'll now have had 3 different OL alignments in as many games. Hard to build a cohesive unit like that.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 04, 2026, 05:36:05 PMbig test for the mostly american o line.
gabe wasn't getting it done so he gets benched
I don't buy it, Gabe is their best run blocker and a decent pass blocker, I think he's out due to injury.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2026, 05:55:27 PMI don't buy it, Gabe is their best run blocker and a decent pass blocker, I think he's out due to injury.
Eli and Wallace both were issues against the elks as our interior line got manhandled. Maybe Wallace was hurt then as well. Hopefully Micah Mazzccua can help our run game at 6ft5 344 lbs he has the size
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2026, 04:55:41 PMWhat's up with Vanterpool? Where did he go?
Back to 6 game IR. How did he do that without playing after being on the reserve last week. Injured or not, he hasn't played many games for one reason or another. He's probably falling down down down on any perceived depth chart. Only played in 8 games in 2 seasons prior to 2026.
Definitely like prioritizing the offensive line. We aren't a team that can afford to have a lot of pocket disruption.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2026, 05:55:27 PMI don't buy it, Gabe is their best run blocker and a decent pass blocker, I think he's out due to injury.
being the best and playing like it are different things. potential doesn't make blocks. he got eaten up and the team made the change based on what they saw. every player can be "hurt" at any time.
McManis and Peters back... we're completely screwed. It'll be a wipeout.
And look at all the creativity and maximum use of every single "cheat code" by HAM. They are designating a DNA on both O and D. Kenny is DNA on O, McManis DNA on D. 25 snaps each.
My only wish now is we escape without injury. That will be a "win".
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2026, 06:15:54 PMBack to 6 game IR. How did he do that without playing after being on the reserve last week. Injured or not, he hasn't played many games for one reason or another. He's probably falling down down down on any perceived depth chart. Only played in 8 games in 2 seasons prior to 2026.
I for one am shocked. Mazzccua jumping Vant is the biggest news of this week. Vant got many starts at OG last 2 seasons, and played quite well. And he benefits from the MOS mantra of seniority and working hard gets you on the team.
Isn't Mazzccua a rookie?
Very bizarre. P.S. I'm fine with 4 IMP OL in a pinch, but it's not sustainable long term unless you have a NAT QB.
Vanterpool is on the 6-game.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2026, 05:55:27 PMI don't buy it, Gabe is their best run blocker and a decent pass blocker, I think he's out due to injury.
Ya, since Wallace was on the injury report day 1, I don't think they're pulling a fast one. They want Wallace to heal.
Wallace is NOT their best run blocker though. Neuf is probably the best there. Wallace is catching up, though. But so often he's blocking air or letting the DL shed him too fast while he works up to the 2nd level too early.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2026, 02:55:22 PMIt's going to be interesting to see how this new version performs in both pass and run blocking.
You bet. And we'll have a real problem if it's super good. 4 IMP isn't sustainable with our current model.
However, make sure you do not compare this week OL vs last week OL. Vs EDM was all discombobulated with 2 positions changing. This week is just 1 change from our desired OL. You must compare this week against our previous HAM game.
In our previous HAM game our pass pro was very good. It was run block that stunk to high heaven.
Quote from: Tecno on July 05, 2026, 12:38:50 AMYou bet. And we'll have a real problem if it's super good. 4 IMP isn't sustainable with our current model.
However, make sure you do not compare this week OL vs last week OL. Vs EDM was all discombobulated with 2 positions changing. This week is just 1 change from our desired OL. You must compare this week against our previous HAM game.
In our previous HAM game our pass pro was very good. It was run block that stunk to high heaven.
It's 100% sustainable if it's really good. It's probably not the best from a long term flexibility standpoint, but if it turns out to be the mix that works best this year, we could run with it for the season without major issues.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 05, 2026, 12:29:00 AMVanterpool is on the 6-game.
The point BinBC made is he was not previously on any injury report. Ya, maybe he got hurt in final practice; in which case I have the Louise bridge to sell you. Possible, sure, probable? Nah.
Looks like a demotion and a park to 6G so we can get the SMS back. It's basically a "you still get paid full $" SMS shelter when he'd normally go to the PR. Win/win.
Since Vant wasn't on the reports... have they declared what his injury is? P.S. Totally fine with it. Roster creativity is a must in this league.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 05, 2026, 12:40:17 AMIt's 100% sustainable if it's really good. It's probably not the best from a long term flexibility standpoint, but if it turns out to be the mix that works best this year, we could run with it for the season without major issues.
You better believe this is rubbing Mafia the wrong way though. Basically no team runs 4 IMP OL, except BC at times because of what Rourke NAT QB provides. Has any team ever run one before, except as a one-off due to injury?
What this does right now is take an IMP D off the field, and makes it so whoever was the "IMP backup who is not a DI" disappears and all IMPs are now starters or DIs (as it should be).
Oh ya, and if Mazzccua stinks up the joint, that will basically prove this was purely due to a real injury, not a demotion of Wallace. And what does all of this say about our OL pipeline... yikes! And that won't be solved until FA29 probably with all the 1RDP's we've traded away!
Quote from: Tecno on July 05, 2026, 12:42:01 AMThe point BinBC made is he was not previously on any injury report. Ya, maybe he got hurt in final practice; in which case I have the Louise bridge to sell you. Possible, sure, probable? Nah.
Looks like a demotion and a park to 6G so we can get the SMS back. It's basically a "you still get paid full $" SMS shelter when he'd normally go to the PR. Win/win.
Since Vant wasn't on the reports... have they declared what his injury is? P.S. Totally fine with it. Roster creativity is a must in this league.
Could be. I'm not really sure, but you're making a lot of assumptions.
It's incredibly hard for lineman to move up and down the lineup in practice these days because there's so little contact. There isn't a lot of opportunity and it's equally hard to evaluate.
I'd be more inclined to buy it if he already played a game or two and was lights out.
How are we feeling about todays game? For whatever reason I'm not feeling that optimism I usually have? I guess two consecutive losses at home might be the cause....even after acquiring Dru I'm not feelin' it!
With Jenkins being moved to the PR I'm concerned we're seeing a continuation of the merry-go-round effect we've witnessed along the D-line over the past couple of years. Ricky Walker was the last one that stuck for a couple of seasons, since then they've gone through multiple young candidates and moved on from all, many of which have been scooped upon release by other top teams, the latest being Munier-Bailey.
This trend coincides roughly with Younger's appointment as DC who is most likely the person making these decisions. Does he understand this position well and put his players in the best situation to succeed? Does he know what he's looking for? Is he constantly in search of the next Jackson Jeffcoat? Maybe Jake Thomas should be given the responsibility of building stability on the D-line, he couldn't do worse.
I have to agree with your statement. Maybe only time will tell but so far not impressed.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 05, 2026, 04:23:20 PMWith Jenkins being moved to the PR I'm concerned we're seeing a continuation of the merry-go-round effect we've witnessed along the D-line over the past couple of years. Ricky Walker was the last one that stuck for a couple of seasons, since then they've gone through multiple young candidates and moved on from all, many of which have been scooped upon release by other top teams, the latest being Munier-Bailey.
This trend coincides roughly with Younger's appointment as DC who is most likely the person making these decisions. Does he understand this position well and put his players in the best situation to succeed? Does he know what he's looking for? Is he constantly in search of the next Jackson Jeffcoat? Maybe Jake Thomas should be given the responsibility of building stability on the D-line, he couldn't do worse.
I tbink.going in we thought with Dixon and Jaworski we would ok, but again we misjudged, With Vautner we would have been better but our scouting is lacking
Let's hope McManis is rusty and Peters still isn't a 100 per cent .....this could be a very long night .....I think it's Miller time and he's going to have to start questioning some of our roster moves...
Quote from: Pete on July 05, 2026, 04:36:10 PMI tbink.going in we thought with Dixon and Jaworski we would ok, but again we misjudged, With Caught her we would have been better but our scouting is lacking
Have to believe Gatkuoth has been gifted a roster spot when he should spend the season learning on the PR, he's had 3 games and hasn't shown any flash, so we know he's not likely to be a rookie sensation. He'll be perfectly safe on the PR from thievery, no team is going to put him into their lineup immediately.
Just GET A FRIGGIN WIN!
They need one any way shape or form.
The D sucks, I am concerned.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 05, 2026, 04:23:20 PMWith Jenkins being moved to the PR I'm concerned we're seeing a continuation of the merry-go-round effect we've witnessed along the D-line over the past couple of years. Ricky Walker was the last one that stuck for a couple of seasons, since then they've gone through multiple young candidates and moved on from all, many of which have been scooped upon release by other top teams, the latest being Munier-Bailey.
This trend coincides roughly with Younger's appointment as DC who is most likely the person making these decisions. Does he understand this position well and put his players in the best situation to succeed? Does he know what he's looking for? Is he constantly in search of the next Jackson Jeffcoat? Maybe Jake Thomas should be given the responsibility of building stability on the D-line, he couldn't do worse.
Scouting is lousy. At almost all positions. I think Danny McManus has lost fmhis edge and the new scouts aren't very good. Symptomatic of the whole organization. Started out as a high performance vehicle, headed toward beater status unless something changes.
Quote from: bunker on July 05, 2026, 06:19:38 PMScouting is lousy. At almost all positions. I think Danny McManus has lost fmhis edge and the new scouts aren't very good. Symptomatic of the whole organization. Started out as a high performance vehicle, headed toward beater status unless something changes.
I am disappointed that we didn't improve the Canadian talent on our OL and DL.
BO is on an absolute heater:
Over his last two games, Bo Levi Mitchell has just as many touchdown passes as incompletions.
8 TD
8 incompletions
Quote from: bunker on July 05, 2026, 06:19:38 PMScouting is lousy. At almost all positions. I think Danny McManus has lost fmhis edge and the new scouts aren't very good. Symptomatic of the whole organization. Started out as a high performance vehicle, headed toward beater status unless something changes.
I dunno if there is any evidence of that, other teams are still picking up their discards and making decent use of them.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 05, 2026, 07:27:48 PMI dunno if there is any evidence of that, other teams are still picking up their discards and making decent use of them.
Vaval and O Wilson the only good finds over the last 3 years IMO
Constant fail finding import difference makers on the O-Line and D-Line, forcing us to (over) pay for established stars like Ceresna and Broxton ( both of which may have passed their peak).
Linebackers are the worst in the league
Secondary paying 540,000 to 3 players, only Holm actually earning his salary. Can't find a decent safety. Williams looks decent.
Other than Wilson (who's been underwhelming so far), unable to find impact American receivers, so we sign Hamilton's cast off instead at top dollar.
I don't really care if a few of our cast offs are replacement level players for other teams. We need the scouts to find impactful young American talent, and they aren't.
Nothing would make me happier than for them to prove me wrong this year, but it's not looking promising.
We are not winning this game without forcing turnovers. And were not forcing turnovers without getting pressure on Bo.
We dont hit hard enough to create fumbles, the lack of aggression on this defense is concerning
We re the least physical defense in the league, should be called he charmin defense it's soooooo soft. We are to be hit for 50 tonight
Quote from: Pete on July 05, 2026, 07:55:31 PMWe are not winning this game without forcing turnovers. And were not forcing turnovers without getting pressure on Bo.
We dont hit hard enough to create fumbles, the lack of aggression on this defense is concerning
Agreed
I'd like to see a completely new defence to throw at Bo
If they let him sit there it's over.
Maybe Vaval can return 2 for TDs and we have a chance
I have so little faith in Younger's D.
Maybe the O can learn to stop fumbling the ball away.
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 05, 2026, 02:48:33 PMHow are we feeling about todays game? For whatever reason I'm not feeling that optimism I usually have? I guess two consecutive losses at home might be the cause....even after acquiring Dru I'm not feelin' it!
Honestly, not much reason to be optimistic after the last couple of games. We need a lot of things to start going right very soon.
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2026, 10:29:26 PMHonestly, not much reason to be optimistic after the last couple of games. We need a lot of things to start going right very soon.
We likely won't fumble 5 times in the first half
Zach has been playing fairly well, when given time in the pocket
Our defense can't get any worse... can it?
That's all I got
it's the B crew on the panel.
B FOR BALD
Quote from: bunker on July 05, 2026, 10:39:19 PMWe likely won't fumble 5 times in the first half
Zach has been playing fairly well, when given time in the pocket
Our defense can't get any worse... can it?
That's all I got
Got to throw BLM off his game somehow, but god knows how.
imagine if zach did go to the wedding ?? this place would implode
Picked
Wow
Just garbage
BLM having a pizza in the pocket....
I swear I just watched Bo make an espresso and sip on it before he needs to throw the ball.
Of course its a TD and the Ref is right there ... I didn't think he had control and he was out of bounds IMO... Alot of ex bomber players playing for Hamilton
I'm waiting for Bo to do the Mr Perfect and throw the ball to himself for a TD
This team is super ill prepared and or just lacks the talent.
Pathetic!
Moxey had good coverage, Lawler just too good.
Absence of pressure is pathetic,
Brady stuffed instantly
This is gonna get ugly.
ZC is just too slow, and did Stanley Bryant get beat again?
Nice job Stanley, not
This is getting ugly ultra fast.
so when can we talk about that Bryant playing into his 40s is actually a bad thing? every game he's getting beat like a drum
Stanley Bryant is not that good anymore.
Easily beaten to his outside.
Haha this is going to be a disaster.
Quote from: barbk on July 05, 2026, 11:19:17 PMZC is just too slow, and did Stanley Bryant get beat again?
Both are done and should retire Barb.
young man's game - need to tighten up a lot of areas.
So offence 3 plays....first a pick...second a run for a loss.....third a sack for a loss
So defence 3 plays....first a completion where Bo had all day.,..second a connection where again Bo had zero pressure.....third another pass again no pressure and a TD.....
Yep.....
What does MOS see in this horse crap?
Loyal to a fault. How long must a player be brutal for the coach to make changes? WTH
I thought we got a new OCoach....only difference I see is ti cats offense is more explosive than last year....our offense is more of the same old.....
Quote from: markf on July 05, 2026, 11:19:49 PMStanley Bryant is not that good anymore.
Easily beaten to his outside.
but he's a veteran! he was really
good a couple years ago! etc
Can they get off the field lol
Good chance to lay into cleanBo.
Worth a 15 yard penalty
really glad we don't have a first rounder this year
Back the good ole three four
that's a small victory
forced a punt
Quote from: bunker on July 05, 2026, 11:15:32 PMMoxey had good coverage, Lawler just too good.
Unbelievable catch, he's got magic in them hands.
Even when Zach throws a quick slant our receivers are being closely covered and tackled immediately. Us on the other hand the receiver is wide open and gets yac yards. Why is that?
Zach's aimer is terrible
bad throw to demski. and we punt
Quote from: The Zipp on July 05, 2026, 11:27:47 PMbad throw to demski. and we punt
I'm sick of Zach. He can't do even the basics anymore.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 05, 2026, 11:28:26 PMI'm sick of Zach. He can't do even the basics anymore.
that was a first down if the throw was catchable
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 05, 2026, 11:28:26 PMI'm sick of Zach. He can't do even the basics anymore.
Yep time for Zach to retire or move on and if he won't, OSH has to do it.
Game time alarm was not set, 3 series and barely one first down achieved, not looking good.
Why is Drew not on the roster yet. Not that O'Shea would ever take Zach out no matter how badly he plays.
There's Gatkuoth!
Defence playing decent.
3 man rush worked
maybe PI
The DBs are doing nice work.
Edit
Major screw up. PI
Not! LOL
Williams with a nice play
Quote from: Horseman on July 05, 2026, 11:29:45 PMYep time for Zach to retire or move on and if he won't, OSH has to do it.
We'd still have Matt Nichols if he didn't get hurt. Oshea will never move on from Zach
No way this is PI
maybe a bit early
That's not DPI
Contact pretty incidental
Vaval is awesome
Boy our returners been playing great all season, one bright spot.
I think Zach will be our starter this season unless he gets hurt. I think Zach still has a bit left in the tank but he needs time because he just doesn't have the escapability he had earlier in his career.
Come on old Zach do something, anything positive!
Every time Lawler doesn't catch a ball its PI.... man I am really quite annoyed with Lawler. His attitude is getting a bit too much to watch.
Quote from: bwiser on July 05, 2026, 11:34:26 PMI think Zach will be our starter this season unless he gets hurt. I think Zach still has a bit left in the tank but he needs time because he just doesn't have the escapability he had earlier in his career.
I have to respectfully disagree, Zach is done like dinner, he's past his best before date. Time to move on, give him this season and then that should be it.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 05, 2026, 11:29:40 PMthat was a first down if the throw was catchable
I actually think it was Demski that was off. He's had a bad year. Also, when has ZC had time to think the OL is that bad.
You all blame zach for everything. I am not saying he's without fault, but he's not for fault for everything. Porous Oline, receivers aren't playing up to what they are capable of (Esp Demski..is he playing hurt?).
I am not even gonna start on the D. Although there have been a couple of good plays this game, but boy we have room to improve on ALL fronts.
At least we have Vaval back.
Castillo with the glasses.
I don't like this play calling.
castillo with the specs
Hey. A double swing pass on 2nd 5. ;D
We are evolving our 2nd and short plays
Didn't get it of course
Quote from: tlf on July 05, 2026, 11:36:48 PMI actually think it was Demski that was off. He's had a bad year. Also, when has ZC had time to think the OL is that bad.
You all blame zach for everything. I am not saying he's without fault, but he's not for fault for everything. Porous Oline, receivers aren't playing up to what they are capable of (Esp Demski..is he playing hurt?).
I am not even gonna start on the D. Although there have been a couple of good plays this game, but boy we have room to improve on ALL fronts.
At least we have Vaval back.
That first throw and the pick was not on the line, all rushers were picked up, that was on Zach.
When did Lawler become such a whiner?
good defence there
smith on wooden, impressive speed.
No more challenges for Hammy
Quote from: Horseman on July 05, 2026, 11:37:21 PMCastillo with the glasses.
That might explain him missing those important FG's last game with Edmonton
Quote from: Horseman on July 05, 2026, 11:38:35 PMThat first throw and the pick was not on the line, all rushers were picked up, that was on Zach.
Actually I think that was just a good defensive play. Teams make those. I wish we would more often but our D is not that good unfortunately.
Someone tell Condell we pick up more yards when the pass is thrown beyond the LOS.
This team is old and it shows
apart from they early pick - not a bad quarter of road football
Well, we tightened up a bit...thankfully, but we really need to be ready at the start of a game
Quote from: J5V on July 05, 2026, 11:39:09 PMWhen did Lawler become such a whiner?
anyways has been. Even with us.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 05, 2026, 11:42:32 PManyways has been. Even with us.
Yes..just is more irritating now. I think it's gotten worse the more he gets away with things.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on July 05, 2026, 11:40:31 PMSomeone tell Condell we pick up more yards when the pass is thrown beyond the LOS.
This team is old and it shows
Our best players are the young guys, who knew! ::)
Zach done
Quote from: bwiser on July 05, 2026, 11:34:26 PMI think Zach will be our starter this season unless he gets hurt. I think Zach still has a bit left in the tank but he needs time because he just doesn't have the escapability he had earlier in his career.
If they fall out of the playoff race, time to make the transition to Brown and Elgersma.
Zach gets destroyed
Booo
He looked like Buck on that one.
Great Oline protection. Geez.
If Zach gets hurt (not wishing for that) it might actually be a good thing, gives Elgerma and Brown a chance to play despite MOS.
Bye bye Stan
reggie stubblefield, great player
Zach USED to be able to throw like BLM does, but not anymore.
Can we not put pressure on BLM?
This DL just never ever gets any pressure, period.
how was gittens so open?
Pitch and catch EZ conversion.
It seems like hits that other qb's can tolerate, are too much for Zach.
How do the Ham receivers get so wide open and our guys can't?
Quote from: kkc60 on July 05, 2026, 11:47:35 PMhow was gittens so open?
Cause he's playing against the Bombers
They blitz and super slow and zero effectiveness
Quote from: Horseman on July 05, 2026, 11:46:30 PMZach USED to be able to throw like BLM does, but not anymore.
What's the point of this post? Do you not like your qb or team?
Give ZC the amount of time BLM has and he can throw fine. He doesn't ever get it. He got hammered (in the hammer? ugh) instead.
RTP
what losers on that DL
bo plays soccer now
what a stupid penalty
What a stupid penalty.
HOw is that rough the fricken passer.... nice academy performance Bo
I missed it, did they get a penalty for pounding ZC8?
no need to hit BLM just plain stupid play
First decent play I've seen Kelly make
Korney made a play
KORNY
Nicols burnt bad. Again
kornelson just made the best dline play since ceresna week 1...this is also his first game of the year
Goal line stand by Kelly and Korny, who'd have thought
Quote from: tlf on July 05, 2026, 11:49:47 PMWhat's the point of this post? Do you not like your qb or team?
Give ZC the amount of time BLM has and he can throw fine. He doesn't ever get it. He got hammered (in the hammer? ugh) instead.
No, I just think Zach is done, he can't play anymore, we have to move on from him, he is physically too slow now, and is too slow in throwing the ball. If our O-line is not giving him time then throw the quick hitters like Sask does. but he can't even do that anymore.
Is Jefferson playing today?
Quote from: barbk on July 05, 2026, 11:51:31 PMHOw is that rough the fricken passer.... nice academy performance Bo
It was a legitimate penalty. Now we see Egersma in there, can't do any worse than Zach was doing.
Quote from: bunker on July 05, 2026, 11:53:35 PMGoal line stand by Kelly and Korny, who'd have thought
...and Gatkuoth took the RTP penalty, a new core is forming before our eyes!
dru brown should have been dressed
Taylor time!
Zach had his brain scrambled again, doubt he comes back.
Nice tackle by Kelly...NOT
Don't dress Brown. Idiots.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 05, 2026, 11:56:43 PMDon't dress Brown. Idiots.
This is why they didn't, if he had to go in and they have to play with a shortened playbook because he doesn't know the calls yet.
if a hit like that ends zach for the game time to move on
Quote from: Horseman on July 05, 2026, 11:53:44 PMNo, I just think Zach is done, he can't play anymore, we have to move on from him, he is physically too slow now, and is too slow in throwing the ball. If our O-line is not giving him time then throw the quick hitters like Sask does. but he can't even do that anymore.
Well, we honestly can't tell because he hasn't been given the chance or time. Now he's hurt because of our horrific Oline. They have to get better. Our entire team does.
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2026, 11:57:51 PMThis is why they didn't, if he had to go in and they have to play with a shortened playbook because he doesn't know the calls yet.
Exactly. a voice of reason. Thank you!
Zach not doing much mentoring to Taylor there on the bench
Brain must be scrambled.
the fact 2nd and 8 is such a guarantee is crazy. like what're we doing here
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 05, 2026, 11:42:32 PManyways has been. Even with us.
Yeah, true, but I don't remember him being quite this bad. I guess maybe he toned it down a little here.
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2026, 11:57:51 PMThis is why they didn't, if he had to go in and they have to play with a shortened playbook because he doesn't know the calls yet.
it's a trade off. shortened playbook with someone who has started multiple games may be better than a raw rookie. wait till taylor tosses multiple picks cause he can't read a defence - hope he doesn't but trends show it's coming
Holy crap the secondary
fast half of football
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 12:02:43 AMit's a trade off. shortened playbook with someone who has started multiple games may be better than a raw rookie. wait till taylor tosses multiple picks cause he can't read a defence - hope he doesn't but trends show it's coming
I would have liked to see Dru as well, but that's the reason MOS gave.
collaros has been done for a couple of years now...ticats score-its game over, even if coolaros wasnt injured and able to play
Quote from: Sway on July 05, 2026, 11:59:42 PMZach not doing much mentoring to Taylor there on the bench
Brain must be scrambled.
Zach never seems to give the Bach up QB any help, you never see him even speak to them.
What drama class do the ticats go to?
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:06:04 AMZach never seems to give the Bach up QB any help, you never see him even speak to them.
Not true. I sit behind the bench and they always talk
Quit whining. After every play. Holy
Quote from: Sway on July 05, 2026, 11:59:42 PMZach not doing much mentoring to Taylor there on the bench
Brain must be scrambled.
Yah, he never does, not a great look.
Elgersma has been with the team since training camp, there is no shortened playbook for him, he should know all the plays.
Catching a int in end zone wasn't the play call so the D didn't execute it
Holm! ***!
Good thing we have 4 import On-line...it sure is giving our QB's time.......oh wait....
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 12:07:26 AMNot true. I sit behind the bench and they always talk
yeah maybe when things are going well but not when he is out of theme he says nothing to the other QB's.
Defence has been a bit leaky but they didn't get scored on much this half
Seeing plenty of Smith and Kelly, not much Kyrie. Am I blind?
Dru Brown said that one of the things he liked about Winnipeg was the mentoring he got from Zach.
Are there any playmakers on this defense?
Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2026, 12:04:29 AMI would have liked to see Dru as well, but that's the reason MOS gave.
And yet MBT was dressed by Dinwiddie off the couch after being signed 5 days earlier. Brown has had 12 days, and Condell was his OC in Ottawa.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2026, 12:10:24 AMSeeing plenty of Smith and Kelly, not much Kyrie. Am I blind?
What's the difference from another week really
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:09:49 AMyeah maybe when things are going well but not when he is out of theme he says nothing to the other QB's.
They are always communicating..all 3 of them. I watch it go on. Stop with this.
Maybe when he's hurt he isn't? But usually they all are looking at ipads together and talking stuff over.
Only 10 points behind with 1:44 to go before halftime
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:09:49 AMyeah maybe when things are going well but not when he is out of theme he says nothing to the other QB's.
Agree with tlf - I sit right behind the bench, Zach is very involved with everyone, including the backup qb's. We've seen him a couple times for a second or two staring at the game. If it's a head shot (which it looked like, with the arm), he may not be all that clear right now.
If that's the case I don't know why he isn't in the dressing room though for protocol.
A lot of the blame should be on the GM. We need Nat Olinemen he brings in a bunch of IMP, We need a MLB and they move Wilson there very slow and old, plus they bring in a lot of linebackers and keep the same guys as last year. Bryant to old and to slow with NO replacement. Having to play Cobb because lack of quality Canadians. Having to use Kelly again lack of canadian players
Taylor looks not half bad
We've seen wayyyyy worse
if this isn't a shortened playbook i don't know what is
When Elgersma came in we had 2 first downs, he is looking better than Zach did in this game.
Safety??
terrible call going for 3.
Ugh. Lee.
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2026, 11:57:51 PMThis is why they didn't, if he had to go in and they have to play with a shortened playbook because he doesn't know the calls yet.
I am not buying that.
A complete team...failing in all 3 phases.
Holding obvious
Quote from: barbk on July 06, 2026, 12:13:26 AMOnly 10 points behind with 1:44 to go before halftime
9 points now. :)
What a brutal half of football.
Tsn guy is super annoying.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 12:19:12 AMWhat a brutal half of football.
Tsn guy is super annoying.
I switched to TSN from CJOB as OB was having weather alerts every 10 minutes for the interlake. It was even more annoying and scared my dog, so TSN wins.
Lawler Its a catch or PI... man this guy is a clown
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 12:21:26 AMI switched to TSN from CJOB as OB was having weather alerts every 10 minutes for the interlake. It was even more annoying and scared my dog, so TSN wins.
Hopefully this weather doesn't hit Sandy Hook where I live (between Gimli and Winnipeg Beach)
1st time I've seen Younger on the bench, isn't he usually in the booth?
we're not going to do anything if we just keep handing off on first down. Thia oline is not good. The d is playing well but our offense is getting totally outcoached
Dog poop.....just dog poop....special sare good, that s it!
We start slow, play soft....I really do thi k we are a 6 win team this year, I said it two weeks ago, and am sticking to it.....nothing I see is good enough and the stats back me up....
Are we better than Sask....no
Better than EDM....no
Better than Cal....no
Better than BC....no
How about T.O....no
Mtrl....no
Hammy....nope
Ott....yep
Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2026, 12:30:07 AMwe're not going to do anything if we just keep handing off on first down. Thia oline is not good. The d is playing well but our offensive is getting totally outcoached
That is our MO, hand it to Brady on 1st down, attempt a throw on 2nd, then punt.
zach ruled out.
that was not a hard hit.
I HATE the 3 man rush The amount of holding is disgusting
kramdi - not great on that play
Yep, Zach seen coaching up Elgersma again on the sidelines at the start of the half. Nobody talks to Zach on the sidelines, everytime they show him he is just standing there, no one around him.
Boy Ham O-Line holding and no calls.
the holding is obvious
Is Ceresna and Tony Jones playing?
What they called a penalty on Ham?!?!
Battle of the backups???
Bo done
Quote from: barbk on July 06, 2026, 12:40:08 AMIs Ceresna and Tony Jones playing?
Should have asked sooner LOL
broken leg for bo
broken ankle!!
Bo ankle messed up!
Bo could be done for the year.
OH, OH BLM hurt his ankle and is going to hurt Ham going forward, not just this game but their season. It looks like a high ankle sprain which can take a while to heal. Hey Kyle trade Zach to Ham right now. (half joking)
ticats were having such a good season thus far!
Say that's a career ender there
Feel for Bo
But amazing what some pressure can do on an older QB
Looked like a compound fracture to me.
My guess broken ankle
Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 06, 2026, 12:45:08 AMticats were having such a good season thus far!
No luck in Hammytown, this might have been their year.
I wonder what the Bombers could get for Dru Brown if they traded him to Hamilton.
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 12:46:19 AMSay that's a career ender there
Feel for Bo
But amazing what some pressure can do on an older QB
Oh he'll come back. Just watch.
Quote from: bwiser on July 06, 2026, 12:48:21 AMI wonder what the Bombers could get for Dru Brown if they traded him to Hamilton.
No keep Brown trade Zach, our future is Brown/Elgersma.
Quote from: bwiser on July 06, 2026, 12:48:21 AMI wonder what the Bombers could get for Dru Brown if they traded him to Hamilton.
Ah, right on point there sir. :D
Quote from: bwiser on July 06, 2026, 12:48:21 AMI wonder what the Bombers could get for Dru Brown if they traded him to Hamilton.
They have Tre Ford, get ready for a track meet.
Quote from: bwiser on July 06, 2026, 12:48:21 AMI wonder what the Bombers could get for Dru Brown if they traded him to Hamilton.
I think we need Druski
trey ford or dolegala
OH, OH BLM hurt his ankle and is going to hurt Ham going forward, not just this game but their season. It looks like a high ankle sprain which can take a while to heal. Hey Kyle trade Zach to Ham right now. (half joking)
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 12:46:25 AMLooked like a compound fracture to me.
Not sure how you see a compound fracture to be honest, with the sock on and no skin exposed. Might be a fracture, looked a bit twisted and could be tib-fib fracture.
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:50:44 AMOH, OH BLM hurt his ankle and is going to hurt Ham going forward, not just this game but their season. It looks like a high ankle sprain which can take a while to heal. Hey Kyle trade Zach to Ham right now. (half joking)
that ain't a sprain from what i saw.
After seeing the replay again that definitely is a broken ankle.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 12:49:03 AMOh he'll come back. Just watch.
Not as bad as Chad Kelley's. But it looks bad.
Quote from: bwiser on July 06, 2026, 12:48:21 AMI wonder what the Bombers could get for Dru Brown if they traded him to Hamilton.
Kenny Lawler
Who's in? Tre Ford or Dolegena?
Yep, Zach again shown coaching Elgersma standing by himself on the sideline. Now he's talking to Brown who isn't even dressed. For the Love of...talk to Elgersma Zach.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 12:50:10 AMtrey ford or dolegala
pass We need our full Qb crew now. Ham should have their own backup plan not ours.
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 12:58:37 AMpass We need our full Qb crew now. Ham should have their own backup plan not ours.
i was asking who is going to play for hamilton
Quote from: barbk on July 06, 2026, 12:55:44 AMWho's in? Tre Ford or Dolegena?
Dolegala has been the SY QB so it should be Ford, who is always a joy to watch.
No Ham QB is even warming up, throwing any passes, maybe Milanovich is going in. LOL
how long to get an ambulance in hamilton ?
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:56:00 AMYep, Zach again shown coaching Elgersma standing by himself on the sideline. Now he's talking to Brown who isn't even dressed. For the Love of...talk to Elgersma Zach.
He's not his coach, lol. There's nothing really for them to talk about right now.
Might be it for BLM, the broadcast booth awaits.
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 01:00:38 AMNo Ham QB is even warming up, throwing any passes, maybe Milanovich is going in. LOL
Tre Ford warm up would be sprinting around
Great return Vavel!!!
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:00:42 AMhow long to get an ambulance in hamilton ?
Bad look for CFL. Or at least Hamilton. When Bryant left via ambulance there was no delay like this in Wpg.
Zach who??????????
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:56:00 AMYep, Zach again shown coaching Elgersma standing by himself on the sideline. Now he's talking to Brown who isn't even dressed. For the Love of...talk to Elgersma Zach.
Elgersma might be talking to Condell or receivers stop reading into things. All players who are not playing stand together on the sidelines.
That is a TD throw by Elgersma. LOL
Nice play
Hammy is sleeping after the injury
Yup o coordinator seems to be helping elgersma
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 01:02:47 AMZach who??????????
The leader of the team who brought you two Grey Cups after a very long drought. Stop it.
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 01:03:03 AMElgersma might be talking to Condell or receivers stop reading into things. All players who are not playing stand together on the sidelines.
A good team mate would be speaking to the QB that is playing.
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:56:00 AMYep, Zach again shown coaching Elgersma standing by himself on the sideline. Now he's talking to Brown who isn't even dressed. For the Love of...talk to Elgersma Zach.
LOL Perkins over telling Elgersma what to do.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2026, 01:01:27 AMMight be it for BLM, the broadcast booth awaits.
I actually like him AND ZC8 in the booth. Could be good career paths.
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 01:04:21 AMThe leader of the team who brought you two Grey Cups after a very long drought. Stop it.
NO, he is washed up and football/Pro athletics is a heartless profession, when you are washed up and won't leave, someone else has to show you the door, Kyle and MOS I am talking to you.
Bombers have to keep Ford in the pocket. He is not effective if he can't run.
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 01:06:08 AMNO, he is washed up and football/Pro athletics is a heartless profession, when you are washed up and won't leave, someone else has to show you the door, Kyle and MOS I am talking to you.
I agree with the sentiment that Pro athletics is a heartless profession. Personally I don't think Collaros is at that point - not with a questionable Oline and him not having a lot of time. Look at BLM - most of the time he had 7 steamboats to look around and make 4,5 reads before deciding what to do.
Of course, I am biased and really want Collaros to do well, I am not the most objective but I don't think he's there yet with other shortcomings on our team not giving him much help.
Jake Kelly having his coming out party tonight, he's everywhere doing everything!
tommy neild kinda invisible last two games
need to trust elgersma to throw more than 5 yard throws
all the hype on Elgersma and he hasnt thrown a pass more than 3 yards in the air. If that all we can call bring perkins in at least he can run
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 06, 2026, 01:09:28 AMI agree with the sentiment that Pro athletics is a heartless profession. Personally I don't think Collaros is at that point - not with a questionable Oline and him not having a lot of time. Look at BLM - most of the time he had 7 steamboats to look around and make 4,5 reads before deciding what to do.
Of course, I am biased and really want Collaros to do well, I am not the most objective but I don't think he's there yet with other shortcomings on our team not giving him much help.
Fair enough, you are entitled to your view, I respect that, but, My humble opinion is that Zach is done and has been for the last two years.
Condell doesn't know how to set up a line of receivers blocking along the edge, White catches the ball and there's no one in front of him. Tommy needs to study more Rider film.
Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2026, 01:12:06 AMall the hype on Elgersma and he hasnt thrown a pass more than 3 yards in the air
exactly. dru brown should have been dressed.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:13:56 AMexactly. dru brown should have been dressed.
Do you think he will be next game? I do. Not because ZC is hurt, but because he may know our plays better then. THe call will be interesting if we win, but he didn't come here to be on the IR, he could have had that in Ottawa.
Did we turn the offense back over to Hogan?
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 01:17:18 AMDo you think he will be next game? I do. Not because ZC is hurt, but because he may know our plays better then. THe call will be interesting if we win, but he didn't come here to be on the IR, he could have had that in Ottawa.
Kinda think if Elgersma lights it up (they will need to go more than 3 yard passes for that to happen) it would be a tough call to take it away from him.
Man it's good to have a quarterback with an arm again. Elgersma slung that thing to Cobb there off balance.
cobb needs to MOVE after catching that
Taylor has an arm
Time to let him use it
Do we ever throw a deep 1 on 1 to our wr?
Ham gets PI or catches them ever time
I hate to say this but CJOB sucks at play by play
So many mistakes. Advertisements are crazy.
can't cover kenny
kramdi is whiffing on tackles. second guy is getting him but he needs to lock down
I'd like to see Elgersma throw a long one to see if he is more accurate than Zach.
That was a terrible PI call.
we really need to try a deep pass if only to loosen up hamiltons d
Does Kramdi even tackle anymore?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 01:22:13 AMI hate to say this but CJOB sucks at play by play
So many mistakes. Advertisements are crazy.
Are they still doing the weather alerts? I like DT better than TSN but had to turn it off.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 01:20:47 AMMan it's good to have a quarterback with an arm again. Elgersma slung that thing to Cobb there off balance.
I don't think arm strength is a weakness for Collaros
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:22:51 AMcan't cover kenny
kramdi is whiffing on tackles. second guy is getting him but he needs to lock down
Yah Kramdi is not fast, really shows up in pass coverage, he needs to play deep Safety and come downhill to make plays.
Perkins and Elgersma chatting it up, Zach no where to be seen.
No catch!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 01:25:07 AMLooked real to me?
How so? Honest question - they only showed it briefly, but other than a hand swat (which they always let go) there was no slowing him down in any way, not interfering.
That is incomplete.
Giving Tre more time than Bo
That was painful
No catch
Finally with the Lawler catches, notice he isn't yapping on the sidelines
Wow they made the right call! Whoa
Does OC Tommy have play for Elgersma that is more than a 7 yard pass? This is ridiculous already, both coordinators are the worst in the league. HC has lost his swagger too.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2026, 01:25:43 AMYah Kramdi is not fast, really shows up in pass coverage.
That missed tackle 5 minutes ago (that only cost us about 2 yards as he had help) seemed odd - almost like lack of effort. Though I would never say that to any Bomber's face!
Ford will be going to Lawler as we can't cover him or we take a PI penalty.
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 01:24:14 AMAre they still doing the weather alerts? I like DT better than TSN but had to turn it off.
They mis quote many players on key plays.
tommy playing ?
Wow great second effort for White to get the first down
Nice YAC yards by White
good catch and run by tim...throw was bad
thin playbook
Condell doing his best dink and dunk
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 01:31:10 AMCondell doing his best dink and dunk
It's not going to get it done. At some point the field needs to be stretched
Demski coulda had a first down but he stepped out all on his own.
Condell is hamstringing Elgersma.
What is a the big f in deal?
Demski caught something. About time. Also if he's hurt he shouldn't risk playing. I think he's been nicked all year and isn't as effective.
Need to let the qb throw something a bit farther than this.
dru brown could have done all this and more
Demski looks hurt
Collecting his paycheck. Doesn't wanna sell cars
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:30:58 AMthin playbook
Why? Elgersma has been around as long as Condell.
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 06, 2026, 01:25:21 AMI don't think arm strength is a weakness for Collaros
It's definitely not a strength.
As the backup and ZC having previous health issues, there should have been a larger playbook for the backup(s) than this.
Amazing how hamilton oline is playing like crap now without Bo
Tre Ford LOL
Nichols!!!!!!!!!!
Omg Deatrick could have made up for the last two games in one play.
Catch the friggin ball!
Holm drops a sure interception and then now Nichols... no luck
Most over rated player Nichols doing nothing again
Quote from: barbk on July 06, 2026, 01:38:05 AMHolm drops a sure interception and then now Nichols... no luck
That is why they are DB's.
elergsma and this offense isn't going to sustain a long drive, turn him loose
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 01:34:14 AMIt's definitely not a strength.
I just haven't seen a lot to show he's lost arm strength. And you can't say it wasn't a strength over his career. It's not like he looks like Kent Austin out there...
But seriously - I just think it's other stuff - maybe on Collaros in terms of other things - not as quick on his feet, maybe decision-making, but I still see him firing in frozen ropes on occasion.
Unlike "buggy-whips" Austin back in the day.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:33:31 AMdru brown could have done all this and more
I think Dru could find a way to win this game with almost no preparation, play smart and win.
I have more confidence in this Taylor offence than anything Zach can do
Let Taylor loose
Stretch the field, good things can happen
Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2026, 01:39:25 AMelergsma and this offense isn't going to sustain a long drive, turn him loose
Play calling is for a QB like Strevy
Finally. We get a bogus PI call
PI
nice.
I dunno about that PI but I'll take it.
replay center steps in only on hamilton penalties
That one was ugly.
Awful throw and decision
Put perkins in. elgersma is lost
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:40:39 AMI have more confidence in this Taylor offence than anything Zach can do
Let Taylor loose
i would take zach in this game 10/10 times
Throw the ball Tyler!
Are these receivers getting open?
No wonder we traded for Dru Brown
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 01:43:04 AMAwful throw and decision
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He was throwing it away as White was covered, it was a smart decision.
Sheahan man.
Sheehan is such a brutal punter. Just horse crap.
There's that Oline.. maybe them seeing our future getting smacked around they will do something.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:43:49 AMi would take zach in this game 10/10 times
not me.
need a turnover to win this game
elgersma is a rookie and looks like it - they are playing not to lose with his play calls
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:40:39 AMI have more confidence in this Taylor offence than anything Zach can do
Let Taylor loose
He's bound to throw some picks but have to let him go and hopefully TD's out number interceptions.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:43:49 AMi would take zach in this game 10/10 times
At least they'd have a playbook for him!
Losing the field position battle. Nice kick Sheehan
Collaros had 40 yards and a pick before someone breathed on his neck. Think it's time we look elsewhere.
Another hold by Ham right at the point of attack and no call.
Here comes the great JY run D
This is the point in the game where the defense collapsed the last few weeks
Now the D can't stop the run. Wow just wow.
with no bo and zach in we win.
Why did Kelly even attempt that tackle without using his arms, I hate that tackling style.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 01:47:39 AMNow the D can't stop the run. Wow just wow.
That didn't age well! ;D
I give up on CJOB just so many mistakes on who makes plays.
Picked!
Major Pick!
Wooo nice INT
Milanovich being a dummy
Pick a qb and stick with him
What was Ford looking at? :D
Zac time?
Oshea a dummy wasting timeout
Taylor had the snap in time
All these imp o linemen and there is hardly N0 improvements. We need another IMP receiver to help our QB
Elgersma looks awful He cant read a defense
What a game for Williams!
happy feet
Why is the band playing Hooked on a Feeling? it's not good.
Ugh Tayler looks so deer in headlights
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:50:35 AMOshea a dummy wasting timeout
Taylor had the snap in time
He loses it if he doesn't use it before the 3
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:50:35 AMOshea a dummy wasting timeout
Taylor had the snap in time
No he had to use it or he loses the time out within 3 min.
Man we better dress brown next week both backups are gross. At least we have brown,Hamilton just went from first to worst in the league!!
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 01:51:25 AMWhy is the band playing Hooked on a Feeling? it's not good.
just blaring through my surround sound
Better tell Elgersma the NFL isnt calling soon
Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2026, 01:50:57 AMElgersma looks awful He cant read a defense
So much for looking great in NFL pre season games, lol
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 01:51:49 AMNo he had to use it or he loses the time out within 3 min.
Guess I'm a dummy
You can't call time outs within 3 minutes ? Since when
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 01:51:33 AMUgh Tayler looks so deer in headlights
Agree. All of a sudden the dru brown trade looks genius
Perkins time?
Nice penalty on Hammy.
Everyone thought Elgersma was the next one and couldn't wait until ZC was gone. Well here you go.
He isn't ready. He needs time. He will be good, but not yet.
Hopefully soon, but not right now.
Brown next game?
Maybe use Brady.
Well done there
Now run down the clock before we kick the winning FG.
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:52:55 AMGuess I'm a dummy
You can't call time outs within 3 minutes ? Since when
Can only take one with you under 3, not both
Maybe Zach split his finger open again and we aren't gonna repeat that debacle ;D
Procedure Wpg, 66
Nice Vet move Bryant
LOL Bombers are going to win, I knew it!
No Stanley no
Brady!!!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 01:55:35 AMMaybe use Brady.
Well done there
I think you should keep saying these things - you have a way of making things happen!
Nice run Brady, Brady Ball.
YES BRADY YES
I like the leadership that Bryant brings, but I've about had it with him this year.
Wooo Brady ball!
I'm confident tre Ford won't do a 100 yard drive
I think atleast
Kill that clock.
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:58:40 AMI'm confident tre Ford won't do a 100 yard drive
I think atleast
Maybe 3 Kenny Lawler pics though
Zach looking nervous that Elgersma is getting it done.
Fake hand off, boot leg from Elgersma.
OL doing a great job giving a Brady the holes.
Hammy D sucking wind.
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 02:00:12 AMFake hand off, boot leg from Elgersma.
saw that too
Way too much balls to ever call that
JY will play prevent D and watch Ham go down the field to kick the winning FG.
Why not let the clock run down and call the timeout with 1 second. Ball was snapped with 5 seconds still on the clock
Ok guys 21 seconds to bring this home.
could have burnt a bit more time
Come on special teams!
Hamilton gonna call the Pass Interference special coming up
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 02:02:06 AMJY will play prevent D and watch Ham go down the field to kick the winning FG.
@#$&*&$@-
Best possible scenario on that kick off
special teams comes through!
That failed for them epically.
That was very stupid
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 02:02:41 AMHamilton gonna call the Pass Interference special coming up
You mean like Sask does.
great waste of time there.
Ok 5 seconds this is it.
HORSEMAN!
Haha not an award winning CFL game but we'll take it.
Less Zach more Taylor and Brown please.
2-2 and in the fight.
Game over!
Wooo Big Blue Win!!
I dont think Zach likes Taylor
Elgersma
What's horrendous second half to watch. Hamilton is screwed for the rest of the season. We need to hope Zach is ok or Dru isn't damaged goods
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 02:06:03 AMI dont think Zach likes Taylor
Elgersma
Is that you Paul Friesen?
Walters is a genius
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 06, 2026, 02:07:35 AMIs that you Paul Friesen?
I see Zach slapping 5s with Wynton Mcmannis and not once talking to Taylor on the bench or after.
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 02:09:08 AMI see Zach slapping 5s with Wynton Mcmannis and not once talking to Taylor on the bench or after.
I hear ya, just realize it's hard to judge anything like that when all you see is a few seconds at a time. A lot easier to see live if he's actually ignoring or avoiding him.
Man that was an ugly ugly game. Hamilton is in trouble
Quote from: dd on July 06, 2026, 02:11:01 AMMan that was an ugly ugly game. Hamilton is in trouble
Hammy is out right screwed without Bo.
Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2026, 02:07:58 AMWalters is a genius
The timing of the trade could not of worked out better for Walters.
Hammy would love to have the chance to trade for Brown now. Nope, not gonna happen.
They just showed the play where Zach was taken out. I wonder if Broxton kicked him in the head as he was backing up and falling down? Maybe that's what took him out?
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 06, 2026, 02:10:38 AMI hear ya, just realize it's hard to judge anything like that when all you see is a few seconds at a time. A lot easier to see live if he's actually ignoring or avoiding him.
Yes, also Taylor is probably talking to Condell, going over plays with his receivers, running backs, QB coach, learning what he has to do after being thrown into the game unexpectedly and has to concentrate on the Game. He's not going to run to Zach. Zach is right to leave him alone and work with the coach who will help him the most. Zach has to concentrate on other things like his injury and he is talking to others who are not playing.
Offensive line were absolutely terrific
We basically win 11-0 after the starting Qbs left
Coach said after the game Brown wasn't in as he doesn't know as much of the playbook. There we go.
Quote from: JockitchwithRich on July 06, 2026, 02:17:34 AMOffensive line were absolutely terrific
We basically win 11-0 after the starting Qbs left
Jordan Younger might not be able to keep starting QBs under 600 net yards a night but he's the slayer of backup quarterbacks for sure. Guy's never lost an unfair fight in his life 😂
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 02:21:55 AMCoach said after the game Brown wasn't in as he doesn't know as much of the playbook. There we go.
he still would have know more than what they gave elgersma. they played him not to lose and it worked. had Bo not gone down this game would have been a whitewash by hamilton.
Zach is still the number one guy - that won't change.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 02:27:56 AMhe still would have know more than what they gave elgersma. they played him not to lose and it worked. had Bo not gone down this game would have been a whitewash by hamilton.
Zach is still the number one guy - that won't change.
With a new OC? I'm not sure he'd know this playbook. He'd know the old one though.
He would def know the CFL more though, yes.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 02:27:56 AMhe still would have know more than what they gave elgersma. they played him not to lose and it worked. had Bo not gone down this game would have been a whitewash by hamilton.
Zach is still the number one guy - that won't change.
It should change.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 02:30:19 AMIt should change.
Not yet. Also the Oline should show up and give whoever is under center some protection. How about we start there?
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 02:06:03 AMI dont think Zach likes Taylor
Elgersma
Seemed to get on well with him on the podcast together, I don't think he wants to help anyone take his job away though.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 02:13:19 AMHammy is out right screwed without Bo.
Yep they got a $300,000 receiver and no one to throw it to him!!
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 02:30:09 AMWith a new OC? I'm not sure he'd know this playbook. He'd know the old one though.
He would def know the CFL more though, yes.
Condell was Brown's OC in Ottawa for 2 years.
Quote from: bunker on July 06, 2026, 02:38:42 AMCondell was Brown's OC in Ottawa for 2 years.
And that's fine, but different talent around him here so he'd have different plays. Here he has diff receivers, Brady is different, they probably use the offense different is all. I'm sure they'll sort it out soon.
That was such a brutal first half ...brutal....
With backups in we did ok and am really happy to take the win....
A patched up OL comes through. Bbb seals the deal. Runs up the gut worked well even when the entire stadium knew that's what we were doing. The negativity about our run game was silenced imo. Run it often and between tackle. Bed and butter of this O. D played decent. A big W and gritty effort. Proud of Taylor. Give Zach some rest as we got insurance x2. Those that crapped on the Brown trade will be on turbo defrost tonight.
Good effort by a great ST unit.
Really sad to see Bo go down while he was at his best.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 06, 2026, 03:08:46 AMA patched up OL comes through
Bbb seals the deal. Runs up the gut. The negativity about our run game was silenced imo. Run it often and between tackle. Bed and butter of this O. D played decent. A big W and gritty effort. Proud of Taylor. Give Zach some rest as we got insurance x2. Those that crapped on the Brown trade will be on turbo defrost tonight.
Just give us the Grey Cup right now! We the champs!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 03:10:01 AMJust give us the Grey Cup right now! We the champs!
Give us an irrelevant take with no substance.
Nobody suggested that, back to planet earth 🌏.
Let's give Taylor Elgersma huge credit for taking over from Zach while trailing and getting the job done. I was surprised at his relative poise out there and often he didn't have great field position. He certainly didn't look rattled out there and threw the ball with authority and got rid of it quickly. He did get sacked once however Zach was sacked twice. Zach throwing a pick on the first play was a disastrous start and fortunately we came out of the first half still in the game.
Our defence made a few crucial stops when we needed them even if it was Ford and Dolegala calling the signals.
I predicted a Hamilton win if we allowed Bo time and for the most part he did but they left at least 8 points on the field in the first half.
Yes we lost Zach and then they lost Bo....however Taylor played extremely well given the circumstances he was given.
So do we keep 4 QBs once Zach returns? Perkins is really good on short yardage so if we end up keeping 3 then it's a tough call. We may have a QB situation which is a good problem to have given where Hamilton is now with Bo likely gone for much if not all of the season.
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 06, 2026, 03:13:50 AMLet's give Taylor Elgersma huge credit for taking over from Zach while trailing and getting the job done. I was surprised at his relative poise out there and often he didn't have great field position. He certainly didn't look rattled out there and threw the ball with authority and got rid of it quickly. He did get sacked once however Zach was sacked twice. Zach throwing a pick on the first play was a disastrous start and fortunately we came out of the first half still in the game.
Our defence made a few crucial stops when we needed them even if it was Ford and Dolegala calling the signals.
I predicted a Hamilton win if we allowed Bo time and for the most part he did but they left at least 8 points on the field in the first half.
Yes we lost Zach and then they lost Bo....however Taylor played extremely well given the circumstances he was given.
So do we keep 4 QBs once Zach returns? Perkins is really good on short yardage so if we end up keeping 3 then it's a tough call. We may have a QB situation which is a good problem to have given where Hamilton is now with Bo likely gone for much if not all of the season.
If we're comparing backup QBs Elgersma looked better than Ford and Dologala and both of those guys have been around a while.
He looked better than Streveler last year who had a ton more experience also.
He needs reps.
Also Brady was huge on that last drive playing Brady Bully Ball crashing for consecutive first downs to kill the clock and get us in tremendous field position for the game winning FG. He carried the team on his back there to help us squeak out a win in hostile territory! Impressive!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 03:15:24 AMIf we're comparing backup QBs Elgersma looked better than Ford and Dologala and both of those guys have been around a while.
He looked better than Streveler last year who had a ton more experience also.
He needs reps.
I was pleasantly surprised by his poise under difficult circumstances with us trailing. He didn't make any rookie blunders or cough up the ball despite his one sack, which wasn't on him! I agree he looked better than Strevvy and Tre Ford/Dolegala! He's also an intelligent QB and gives good interviews which i like as well....for his very first CFL trial by fire it was an impressive start for him!!
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 06, 2026, 03:23:27 AMI was pleasantly surprised by his poise under difficult circumstances with us trailing. He didn't make any rookie blunders or cough up the ball despite his one sack, which wasn't on him! I agree he looked better than Strevvy and Tre Ford/Dolegala! He's also an intelligent QB and gives good interviews which i like as well....for his very first CFL trial by fire it was an impressive start for him!!
Checked all the boxes for me for thrown into the fire start one and a pretty protective OC.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 03:15:24 AMIf we're comparing backup QBs Elgersma looked better than Ford and Dologala and both of those guys have been around a while.
He looked better than Streveler last year who had a ton more experience also.
He needs reps.
Yes. It was easy to look good doing shorter passes too. That was a good decision to keep it simple. Had we let him loose and chucked it down field as some were calling for, you may have seen a few good throws but I suspect some bad as well. We don't know. He is new and needs more reps for sure before he is allowed to play big in a game.
QuoteLet's give Taylor Elgersma huge credit for taking over from Zach while trailing and getting the job done. I was surprised at his relative poise out there and often he didn't have great field position. He certainly didn't look rattled out there and threw the ball with authority and got rid of it quickly. He did get sacked once however Zach was sacked twice. Zach throwing a pick on the first play was a disastrous start and fortunately we came out of the first half still in the game.
Our defence made a few crucial stops when we needed them even if it was Ford and Dolegala calling the signals.
I predicted a Hamilton win if we allowed Bo time and for the most part he did but they left at least 8 points on the field in the first half.
Yes we lost Zach and then they lost Bo....however Taylor played extremely well given the circumstances he was given.
So do we keep 4 QBs once Zach returns? Perkins is really good on short yardage so if we end up keeping 3 then it's a tough call. We may have a QB situation which is a good problem to have given where Hamilton is now with Bo likely gone for much if not all of the season.
Are you serious? That was the worst display of quarterbacking I ve ever seen. Yes, Elgersma was better than ford and dolegla—-I can't believe either of these guys has a job in the cfl, they are horrible, just terrible, and it's not like it's their first kick at it. Hamilton is in serious trouble. As for our offense, I can't believe we won a football game when our offense was never in the red zone once during the entire game!! That was the worst display of offensive football I've ever seen at the professional level
Quote from: tlf on July 06, 2026, 03:37:29 AMYes. It was easy to look good doing shorter passes too. That was a good decision to keep it simple. Had we let him loose and chucked it down field as some were calling for, you may have seen a few good throws but I suspect some bad as well. We don't know. He is new and needs more reps for sure before he is allowed to play big in a game.
A single pick six and they would have lost the game, so they were very wise not to attempt to push the ball too far down field.
Quote from: dd on July 06, 2026, 04:01:39 AMAre you serious? That was the worst display of quarterbacking I ve ever seen. Yes, Elgersma was better than ford and dolegla—-I can't believe either of these guys has a job in the cfl, they are horrible, just terrible, and it's not like it's their first kick at it. Hamilton is in serious trouble. As for our offense, I can't believe we won a football game when our offense was never in the red zone once during the entire game!! That was the worst display of offensive football I've ever seen at the professional level
the strev games last year were far worse.
This game was on par with a strev game. We had a massive punt return and a jet sweep and that was our offense for an entire half, and up to that point we had scored 4 points and given up a pick six.
Face it, it was a horrible game offensively and that was including when Collaros was in!! My god Dru brown will look like Tom Brady compared to this garbage!!
Quote from: dd on July 06, 2026, 04:50:12 AMThis game was on par with a strev game. We had a massive punt return and a jet sweep and that was our offense for an entire half, and up to that point we had scored 4 points and given up a pick six.
Face it, it was a horrible game offensively and that was including when Collaros was in!! My god Dru brown will look like Tom Brady compared to this garbage!!
We gave up a pick six??
Not having a declared #2 in Ham was a terrible idea, juggling them, bringing them off the bench cold repeatedly was terrible coaching, and e did not take advantage of that enough.
On the whole, we had a pretty good game, just good enough to win.
Jake Kelly had a surprising game, he made some good tackles, and blew up on teams.
Kramdi needs to be at SAM.
Big Stan is not the OT he was, he is getting beat pretty regularly.
4 int Olines in multiple games? When has that happened before? With WPG being one? Yikes.
Quote from: Horseman on July 05, 2026, 11:37:21 PMCastillo with the glasses.
Is there a story to go with that? My buddy made it sound like it was a storyline somewhere? I missed it.
We joked that the reason Castillo was short was he got the glasses on for the first time, went out, and looked at the uprights and said "holy bleep that's far away!". Or... he has high magnification and he thought they were 10Y closer than they really were.
In any event, I can't help but think of Sheen in Major League.
Quote from: Horseman on July 05, 2026, 11:38:35 PMThat first throw and the pick was not on the line, all rushers were picked up, that was on Zach.
The INT was a result of us trying to force a short game that doesn't exist. We did that "everyone goes 6Y and curls" scheme which I had
just mentioned in the last couple of GDTs as always failing (yet always working for the opponent...). That's one of the plays that helped lose us the '22 GC.
The strange part is, Zach put way more zip on this ball than he's usually able to. But his wind up is still slow and he takes that extra tiny pump beforehand that gives that DB that extra moment to pounce. And he wasn't staring it down for long, but he was just enough to tip his hand.
I think because they make that pass in practice against DBs not really trying at full speed, that they think they can make it work against a live D.
Just more indication our short game is total butt. Zach has to look it off longer, avoid that final mini-pump, and find a way to wind faster. Or we have to abandon every curl where the DB is within 5Y.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on July 05, 2026, 11:46:00 PMBye bye Stan
The Zach slaughter is not on Stan. It was on Brady. Stan did the right thing taken the innermost guy who otherwise would not be covered. STAN DID NOTHING WRONG. If Stan doesn't take the DE, then the DE would be free to the QB and take him out.
Instead of staying on the threat side, Brady goes to cover a guy that Broxton had redirected: accomplishing nothing..
This hit is 100% on Brady. Sorry folks.
And Stan did recover the fumble, otherwise it's HAM ball.
Actually, if you look closely, we might be able to assign half the blame to Daniels. Just before the snap, Brady points to the threat, and might even be saying something to Zach. Brady then slaps his left thigh. The only one who could have seen that in this scheme is Daniels, who was behind Brady pre-snap. But by the time Brady slaps his thigh Daniels is already committed to his FB-sneaks-out route, at the line, and can't see it.
But Brady can't abandon the protection on this side until he's pretty sure rookie Daniels knows what's going on. He's probably reacting to the 3-on-2 on the RG/RT, and the 3-on-3 on C/LG/LT, but he needs to recognize RT is playing wider and that side is less of a threat -- not to mention, the left side is the "blind" side.
What a poop show all 'round. But don't blame Stan. He did the right thing.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 05, 2026, 11:57:59 PMif a hit like that ends zach for the game time to move on
a) That hit has always ended Zach's game since he came here. This isn't new.
b) We always take him out as a precaution -- and I think he likes it that way.
c) We all know the drill, "upper body", later "head" or "neck", he misses 0 to 2 weeks and then comes back.
If it was "time to move on" because of this hit, we should have "moved on" 4 seasons ago, because literally nothing is different.
Game Recap | Wpg 14 Ham 13
HAMILTON, ON — It was a bit unconventional and unorthodox and whole lot of gritty and grimy.
Still, let it be said there are no points for artistic merit in the Canadian Football League and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers 14-13 win over the Hamilton Tiger-Cats in front of 20,189 here in Steeltown is all about the significance of the result and all the potholes and detours the visitors had to overcome along the way.
Case in point: the Blue Bombers first lead in the game came with 21 seconds remaining on a Sergio Castillo field goal and with Taylor Elgersma at the controls and not Zach Collaros — more on that later — and against a Ticat squad minus their maestro in QB Bo Levi Mitchell, who left due to an injury.
So, a 'W' a rookie QB at the controls, with a defence holding firm after taking an early shot and some magic in the end...
"Vintage, man," said running back Brady Oliveira, who was solid with 17 carries for 84 yards — including 44 yards on the final Blue Bombers possession. "I felt that was almost a must-win for us. It's the mindset of by any means, whatever it's going to take, grittiness, vintage style whatever it's going to look like.
"We faced a lot of adversity tonight. It still wasn't our cleanest game of football at all, but we still responded, especially in the second half. The offensive line did an incredible job and when we need those guys the most, we can lean on them and take the game over.
"That's Bomber football right there — especially when they know exactly what we're going to do — and they move the guy across from them. I'm so proud of how the guys responded."
The win evens the Blue Bombers record at 2-2 — now just two points back of the Saskatchewan Roughriders and Edmonton Elks at 3-1 — in the uber-competitive West Division race.
More on the club's second win of the season from our view in the Hamilton Stadium pressbox...
QB QUESTIONS GALORE: One of the tasty subplots to Sunday's game was the matchup between two future hall of fame quarterbacks in Collaros and Mitchell.
Sadly, neither QB finished the game.
Collaros took a shot to the upper body on a sack by Reggie Stubblefield on the first play the second quarter and finished the game on the sidelines in his gear. He was 5-of-7 for 41 yards and an interception — on the game's first offensive play, no less — before exiting.
More on the game here...https://www.bluebombers.com/2026/07/05/game-recap-wpg-14-ham-13/
Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2026, 05:26:55 AMNot having a declared #2 in Ham was a terrible idea, juggling them, bringing them off the bench cold repeatedly was terrible coaching, and e did not take advantage of that enough.
HAM juggling QBs was insane. I was sitting there dumbfounded. Let's hand it to Mafia for deciding on and declaring a #2 out of TC. They could have easily decided to platoon them like HAM clearly did.
I think most of us would have given your "fave" QB 2 series then switch if he sucks. But once you switch, there's no going back.
In a way, our vet/aged team was a boon and probably is what got us the W. Star QB is down? Pfft, our star QB goes down every 6 games for 6 years. Old hat. Instead of moping like HAM clearly did, we played harder to pull a W out for Zach.
Quote from: dd on July 06, 2026, 04:01:39 AMAre you serious? That was the worst display of quarterbacking I ve ever seen. Yes, Elgersma was better than ford and dolegla
Are you really making me haul out some clips from '12, '13, '14 when guys like Brohm couldn't complete a single pass, no matter how short or wide open?? Elgersma was totally calm, totally focused, and did exactly and only what Condell/MOS asked/allowed him to do. Quite astounding actually for a rookie.
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 06, 2026, 02:14:46 AMThey just showed the play where Zach was taken out. I wonder if Broxton kicked him in the head as he was backing up and falling down? Maybe that's what took him out?
The hit was blindside and 100mph -- that G-force alone is enough to take Zach out of a game 100 of 100 times for concussion protocol / seeing birdies.
I'll check the Broxton thing later. It is possible that any after-contact cricked his neck. He'll probably clear the concussion precautions this week -- but any
possible neck crick
could cause 1-3 weeks of missed games.
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:52:55 AMYou can't call time outs within 3 minutes ? Since when
(The thing is you lose 1 TO if you still have 2.) For quite a while. Many seasons at least. I didn't know/care enough about the rules >5 years ago, so can't speak to exactly when it changed, but probably >5 years ago!
That said, I agree with someone who said Elgersma was going to get the play off, but it was going to be close. MOS didn't want to take the chance. Also, MOS is perfectly fine with losing that bonus TO -- he's not Dickenson The Greater who will take every little delay or challenge he can get.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2026, 01:10:53 AMtommy neild kinda invisible last two games
After Nield lit it up vs first-HAM-game, teams have rightly determined he's our #1 threat. So they focus on him and take him away.
The ironic part is, he's not that good. He's maybe high-end of the middling NATs. He's not in the elite NAT REC level though. But he is big and tall, and that makes him more of a threat than Demski, especially since our whole game is basically the mid pass.
Quote from: Sway on July 06, 2026, 01:03:43 AMHammy is sleeping after the injury
HAM lost their will to live the instant BLM got Kelly'd. That's the only reason we won with nothing other than Brady ball, which every other team has successfully shutdown all season. If anything, we got fired up once they hosed Zach. We're the more mature team.
Quote from: Big Daddy on July 06, 2026, 01:02:33 AMBad look for CFL. Or at least Hamilton. When Bryant left via ambulance there was no delay like this in Wpg.
To be fair, a hospital is basically on the same property as PAS. That said, HAM stadium is smack dab downtown, and surely there's also a close by hospital?
Quote from: bwiser on July 06, 2026, 12:48:21 AMI wonder what the Bombers could get for Dru Brown if they traded him to Hamilton.
'27 1RDP, '28 1RDP,
and '29 1RDP ;D ;D ;D ;D = 33% profit
Nah, I think we're happy with our room.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 06, 2026, 12:28:13 AM1st time I've seen Younger on the bench, isn't he usually in the booth?
Nope, Younger seems to be a field guy. Hall is the eyes in the booth. But Younger seems to have lost weight?
Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2026, 12:10:42 AMAre there any playmakers on this defense?
They aren't
allowed to make plays unless it's a mid/deep shot. The scheme literally means you cannot get the same INT on a short curl HAM got on Zach.
Quote from: Horseman on July 06, 2026, 12:08:31 AMElgersma has been with the team since training camp, there is no shortened playbook for him, he should know all the plays.
He's a rookie, and a backup. Guaranteed he only gets 10% of the book.
The fact we gave him a deep shot at all is a miracle. And that shot may have just been a ploy to get the D to massively loosen up -- because it worked like a charm. HAM didn't start run blitzing Brady until it was much too late (and it cost them the game).
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on July 06, 2026, 12:31:52 AMAre we better than Sask....no
Better than EDM....no
Better than Cal....no
Better than BC....no
How about T.O....no
Mtrl....no
Hammy....nope
Ott....yep
Well, we're better than HAM now! As for OTT -- I wouldn't put money on that!! If Dinwiddie can beat us with Arbuckle, he can probably beat us with Maier -- they're basically the same QB.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 12:44:37 AMBo could be done for the year.
Did the computer PVR magic. I don't see any leg bone break. Leg maintains its shape throughout the ordeal. Foot/ankle, on the other hand, at some points is pointing in an awkward direction. Plus, during the roll-over it's wobbling/rotating pretty freely -- like it's just a chunk of meat with no bone inside.
My money is on a
bad ankle break. No idea what the prognosis for this is, or how variable it is. But at his age it could be couple/few months up to season-ender.
Not sure it has to be career-ender, because he's not mobile to begin with, and basically never runs (and certainly can live without the 2-3 runs he does each season). BUUUT, he's gotta be close to retirement anyhow. He might not want to risk "pulling a Strev" by rehabbing for nothing.
Quote from: bunker on July 05, 2026, 11:52:32 PMFirst decent play I've seen Kelly make
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2026, 01:09:56 AMJake Kelly having his coming out party tonight, he's everywhere doing everything!
Kelly had the game of his life, for sure. Went from a liability or ghost every other game to making, by my count, 3.5 impactful/good plays.
That's good news for us, if we're going to keep dressing him. He may also be feeling the pressure as Ball might be nearing full health. He also might be smarter than athletic, as a couple of his plays were good sniff-outs -- and smarter can count for a lot in a MOS/Hall team, because we "need" a couple of vets to direct things.
Quote from: Tecno on July 06, 2026, 09:14:22 AMDid the computer PVR magic. I don't see any leg bone break. Leg maintains its shape throughout the ordeal. Foot/ankle, on the other hand, at some points is pointing in an awkward direction. Plus, during the roll-over it's wobbling/rotating pretty freely -- like it's just a chunk of meat with no bone inside.
My money is on a bad ankle break. No idea what the prognosis for this is, or how variable it is. But at his age it could be couple/few months up to season-ender.
Not sure it has to be career-ender, because he's not mobile to begin with, and basically never runs (and certainly can live without the 2-3 runs he does each season). BUUUT, he's gotta be close to retirement anyhow. He might not want to risk "pulling a Strev" by rehabbing for nothing.
His foot was hanging by tendons and muscle. He is done.
Not a masterpiece (by either team) but take the win... I guess.
2 dropped INTs by the Bombers. Our D needs to make those plays.
Lawler and Smith, a couple of very good receivers that are way over the top. It was nice to shut them both up in the 4th. quarter.
I thought Willy had a much better game.
Bo Levi, complete break. Hamilton's Grey Cup hopes ended on that play. Over paid Lawler has no one to throw to him now, no one accurate play in and play out anyway. Could we see another west team cross over?
How valuable would Dru Brown be this morning? Lucky to lock him up when we did.
Quote from: Tecno on July 06, 2026, 06:53:16 AMthe reason Castillo was short
I thought he slipped on the paint. That giant H looked new and slick. Maybe change his plant foot cleat?
Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2026, 02:52:04 PMI thought he slipped on the paint. That giant H looked new and slick. Maybe change his plant foot cleat?
I agree he did slip on the paint.
Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2026, 02:36:28 PMBo Levi, complete break. Hamilton's Grey Cup hopes ended on that play. Over paid Lawler has no one to throw to him now, no one accurate play in and play out anyway. Could we see another west team cross over?
How valuable would Dru Brown be this morning? Lucky to lock him up when we did.
Depends. We are a little light on Starting Canadian OLs. Do you think Hamilton would trade Revenberg or Duquay? And then who do you trade ZC8 or Dru?
Quote from: Pigskin on July 06, 2026, 02:59:12 PMDepends. We are a little light on Starting Canadian OLs. Do you think Hamilton would trade Revenberg or Duquay? And then who do you trade ZC8 or Dru?
Neither! I want to keep Brown. I was saying we are lucky to have gotten him at the price we did. There was some discussion about that last week including a poll. This seals it. He was a bargain.
Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2026, 03:03:36 PMNeither! I want to keep Brown. I was saying we are lucky to have gotten him at the price we did. There was some discussion about that last week including a poll. This seals it. He was a bargain.
Yes, he is a good insurance policy.
We've likely seen BLM's last play in the CFL. That was brutal. We took advantage of the Hamilton lull to get back into the game with an easy TD. Hamilton then spun the wheel of backup QB's before each set of downs for some unknown reason, resulting in a pick to give us the ball back with a chance to win. Everyone on the field knew it was Brady Ball time, yet they couldn't stop it until we got the FG for the win. Last play was obvious RTP, but no one on Hammy's sideline cared enough to complain and it wouldn't have made any difference anyway.
A win is a win. We're ahead of BC instead of tied with them, but we're still one of the worst teams in the league.
Would Perkins be looking for an out now? He's definately 4th in this room, his SY play might keep him on the AR, but whoever ends up on the RR when Collaros returns comes back in at 2 if Zach goes down again.
Is Perkins OK with 2 years at whatever his deal is to sneak a few plays a game and wait for 2 QB injuries to get meaningful minutes for a game?
OTOH, does he get a #2 spot anywhere in the league?
Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2026, 03:24:54 PMWould Perkins be looking for an out now? He's definately 4th in this room, his SY play might keep him on the AR, but whoever ends up on the RR when Collaros returns comes back in at 2 if Zach goes down again.
Is Perkins OK with 2 years at whatever his deal is to sneak a few plays a game and wait for 2 QB injuries to get meaningful minutes for a game?
OTOH, does he get a #2 spot anywhere in the league?
His role has never changed.
Quote from: Tecno on July 06, 2026, 09:03:27 AMThey aren't allowed to make plays unless it's a mid/deep shot. The scheme literally means you cannot get the same INT on a short curl HAM got on Zach.
I was referring to the easy peasy INT you or I could have made in the end zone that Holm dropped. Bo basically lobbed it to him and he still couldn't squeeze it! Cost us 3 valuable points that fortunately turned out to be not enough for Hammy.
The INT that was made on Zach's first pass of the game was a great catch by a DB that any receiver would have been proud to make. One's a playmaker, one isn't.
To be fair, the knock down of the BLM pass to a wide open receiver in the end zone was a great play. I'm just saying we could be making more plays than we are on D.
I do understand your point though about the schemes we play in keeping the play in front of us at all times.
Quote from: Tecno on July 06, 2026, 09:09:07 AMWell, we're better than HAM now! As for OTT -- I wouldn't put money on that!! If Dinwiddie can beat us with Arbuckle, he can probably beat us with Maier -- they're basically the same QB.
Yeah, but the Ottawa team isn't that Argo team. No comparison, really.
When Zack threw that pic to start the game, I wanted a change immediately...I know he's lost a step and now we have to wonder about his physical health....I think we could go with Elgersma and Brown with Perkins as the third stringer and look at trade possibilities for Collaros....Judging by the play of Dolegala and Ford, I think it would be a good idea for Ham to be looking for a 'real' starter..Could Zack be the answer??
Quote from: blueraid on July 06, 2026, 04:29:04 PMWhen Zack threw that pic to start the game, I wanted a change immediately...I know he's lost a step and now we have to wonder about his physical health....I think we could go with Elgersma and Brown with Perkins as the third stringer and look at trade possibilities for Collaros....Judging by the play of Dolegala and Ford, I think it would be a good idea for Ham to be looking for a 'real' starter..Could Zack be the answer??
No
Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2026, 03:52:33 PMHis role has never changed.
He came in with the intent to be Zach's replacement, compete with Wilson and Thorne... since then we have inserted Elgersma ahead of him, which was ok as he basically replaced Wilson, but now adding in Dru means 2 guys have been inserted above him since he's been here.
He has a contract, and if he wants to pursue the CFL, he needs to honour it, but still, has to be frustrating. In the QB room that was when he signed, he'd be starting next week.
Quote from: blueraid on July 06, 2026, 04:29:04 PMWhen Zack threw that pic to start the game, I wanted a change immediately...I know he's lost a step and now we have to wonder about his physical health....I think we could go with Elgersma and Brown with Perkins as the third stringer and look at trade possibilities for Collaros....Judging by the play of Dolegala and Ford, I think it would be a good idea for Ham to be looking for a 'real' starter..Could Zack be the answer??
Lol.
Zach retires a WBB, there is no doubt in my mind, That is NOT a mafia thing, to trade a player of Zach's nature.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 06, 2026, 02:26:30 PM2 dropped INTs by the Bombers. Our D needs to make those plays.
Lawler and Smith, a couple of very good receivers that are way over the top. It was nice to shut them both up in the 4th. quarter.
I thought Willy had a much better game.
Willy came on great as the game went.
Quote from: Tecno on July 06, 2026, 06:53:16 AMIs there a story to go with that? My buddy made it sound like it was a storyline somewhere? I missed it.
We joked that the reason Castillo was short was he got the glasses on for the first time, went out, and looked at the uprights and said "holy bleep that's far away!". Or... he has high magnification and he thought they were 10Y closer than they really were.
In any event, I can't help but think of Sheen in Major League.
Sergio mentioned the special glasses during a Bomber podcast as part of a local sponsorship deal, I guess he's been using them in practice but the sponsor probably offered him more money if he'd use them in games. Great to give kids with poor eyesight that play sports a better option, as I've seen many wear regular glasses under their helmets.
Wasnt impressed with Perkins arm strength in pre season. If ZC8 is out, Brown goes in, backup is Elgersma, big, strong arm, young NAT kid who needs experience. Perkins at #3 is best he can hope for at this point in time, and if he was released tomorrow, nobody would pick him up, so he's got to be happy to be on a roster.
Quote from: dd on July 06, 2026, 08:01:35 PMPerkins at #3 is best he can hope for at this point in time, and if he was released tomorrow, nobody would pick him up, so he's got to be happy to be on a roster.
You bet. Perkins is please as punch to be employed. And if Bad Things Happen he will even get to take every snap to close a game. He also might get "garbage season" time.
He's 100% so far that and means he's a keeper in my books. And we're designing some trick packages for him. I think he'd be a better passer than Prukop and The Feve.
No one will trade for him to be their #1. Almost certainly not a #2 either.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2026, 03:06:03 PMEveryone on the field knew it was Brady Ball time, yet they couldn't stop it until we got the FG for the win.
Strangely enough, no one told HAM braintrust. They didn't start doing run blitz until we were at like the 40, which was way too late to stop our FG. I thought that very odd. After our first, or maybe second run, wouldn't you get the hint we aren't passing anymore? Anyone who knows MOS knows that once anywhere near FG range MOS will go all-run.
Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2026, 03:03:36 PMNeither! I want to keep Brown. I was saying we are lucky to have gotten him at the price we did.
So easy to say right now. I'll check back in when our first pick in '27 and '28 is around #15 overall and a ton of superb 1st-week-starters go in round 1. That forces us into buying NAT talent. By '29 this may have put us in a tough bind.
You think our NAT OL situation is bad now? Just you wait!
Quote from: Pigskin on July 06, 2026, 02:59:12 PMDepends. We are a little light on Starting Canadian OLs. Do you think Hamilton would trade Revenberg or Duquay?
I thought Revenburg was washed up 2 seasons ago, but here he is on an OL that protects BLM better than any other. Weird. Duquay I know nothing about at all, but he's clearly also good.
But yet... the HAM run block game was horrible last night. And ours good? Also weird.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 06, 2026, 02:59:12 PMAnd then who do you trade ZC8 or Dru?
Or Elgersma?! :o :o :o
HAM would give their left nut to get Zach. He'd keep them in contention. Imagine... Zach with a lock-down OL and top notch RECs.
Heck, even Dru would do well in that situation. Come to think of it, QBs should
pay HAM to be able to go in and be their starter! It's a dream job.
Quote from: Tecno on July 07, 2026, 03:10:53 AMSo easy to say right now. I'll check back in when our first pick in '27 and '28 is around #15 overall and a ton of superb 1st-week-starters go in round 1. That forces us into buying NAT talent. By '29 this may have put us in a tough bind.
You think our NAT OL situation is bad now? Just you wait!
I'm old, I could be dead in 2029! I'll take Dru.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2026, 12:53:27 PMHis foot was hanging by tendons and muscle. He is done.
That's my take too. Nothing was holding it where it was supposed to be.
Not much in the news releases yet except he had successful surgery today? Are we thinking bolted-in plates and stuff? Or is this not like that?
Quote from: bunker on July 07, 2026, 03:14:47 AMI'm old, I could be dead in 2029! I'll take Dru.
Thanks a lot!
-- The younger generation
Quote from: Tecno on July 07, 2026, 03:16:01 AMThat's my take too. Nothing was holding it where it was supposed to be.
Not much in the news releases yet except he had successful surgery today? Are we thinking bolted-in plates and stuff? Or is this not like that?
Oh I think it's exactly like that. From what I could tell from replay, and maybe you can scope this out further, that foot/ankle bone was broke clean in two. As Goldie said, hanging by tendons and muscle. It's gotta be pieced together with rods, plates, screws, etc. That leg is never going to be the same. I'm thinking he's done and there's no chance he plays again this season despite what Hamilton is saying. I hate to say it but he may be limping the rest of his days, poor guy.
If he does retire he's going out on a high note as he was on an absolute tear and playing some of the best ball of his career. It can be a cruel game and if he is finished I wish him all the best in his post playing-days. He's got a lot to be proud of and was one of the best.
Quote from: J5V on July 07, 2026, 03:34:29 AMOh I think it's exactly like that. From what I could tell from replay, and maybe you can scope this out further, that foot/ankle bone was broke clean in two.
Yes, that is my take.
Quote from: J5V on July 07, 2026, 03:34:29 AMIt's gotta be pieced together with rods, plates, screws, etc. That leg is never going to be the same. I'm thinking he's done and there's no chance he plays again this season despite what Hamilton is saying. I hate to say it but he may be limping the rest of his days, poor guy.
My buddy crashed a motorcycle in his youth, shattered his ankle in a similar way, got the plates & stuff, and limps to this day. Ya, you probably don't want to play football in that state, even if you are a never-leaves-pocket R.Ray.
Quote from: J5V on July 07, 2026, 03:34:29 AMIf he does retire he's going out on a high note as he was on an absolute tear and playing some of the best ball of his career.
It's the worst outcome because we all knew HAM was going to win the E and be in the cup if BLM kept up that level of play. No way even MTL beats that. The O was tailor built for BLM.
I really hate BLM since his "show them what kind of team they are" and endless cocky attitude when in CGY (mellowed since moving to HAM), but even I'm sad for him and especially the HAM fans who just lost their best shot at ending the drought. Now I'll root for OTT, because TOR certainly doesn't need another cup, and while I like Alexander, I'm not fond of Maciocia or that frenchie-bird org.
Realistically though, MTL must be beaming from Maas ear to Maas ear, because they can now coast to the GC, unless some W xover finally beats the East (EDM? CGY? BC? us?).
Quote from: Tecno on July 07, 2026, 04:05:37 AMI really hate BLM since his "show them what kind of team they are" and endless cocky attitude when in CGY (mellowed since moving to HAM), but even I'm sad for him and especially the HAM fans who just lost their best shot at ending the drought. Now I'll root for OTT, because TOR certainly doesn't need another cup, and while I like Alexander, I'm not fond of Maciocia or that frenchie-bird org.
Tecno I couldn't agree more with this. I thought maybe I was the only one here holding on to bitter memories of that half-time chirp from BLM years ago, and I've never got past that. But agreed - even I feel sad for him, and more so for the Hamilton fans
Tecno breakdown:
Impact/good play, including "assists" (like good run blocks) as half a point:
good
brady 7
major 5
jones 5
demski 4
kelly 3.5
griffin 3
elgersma 3
smith 2.5
white 2.5
willie 2.5
reese 2
mazzcua 2
broxton 2
daniels 1.5
kramdi 1
jones 1
vaval 1
kornelson 1
moxey 1
perkins 1
corcoran 1
ceresna 1
pokey 1
fletcher 1
cobb 1
cadwall 1
elsbury .5
stan .5
bad
demski 2
brady 1
smith 1
zach 1
elsbury 1
castillo 1
daniels .5
Way more good stuff than bad stuff, so much cleaned up, so much progress. I can see the effort being put in, the studying being done, and the fixes being thought up and applied. Execution way better than all other weeks. I know we looked not so hot, even when Zach was in, but everyone was doing better. Hope for the future, especially if we can start scoring more.
1Q6:10 Demski 2nd down whiff on the short in-stride out pass; I really appreciate the attempt to get Zach's in-stride game going. It's one of our big weaknesses. Zach put it out a bit too far, but other team players are regularly catching that by diving...
1Q3:36 OL play, seal 1st level properly, lots of crossing parts, 2nd level. That fixes one of our problems in the previous weeks.
1Q1:28 HAM starts going deep, when the clear way to beat WPG is to dink & dunk, think SSK, and they continue the whole time BLM is in. Stupid. Could have easily won if they took what Younger gives them -- no matter which QB was in.
2Q2:58 HAM mugging on Major? No replays of the mugging part, which is where they placed the ball. Thanks TSN. MOS might have challenged -- thought about it!
Zach always says "I need to be better", but is anyone anaylzing why exactly a quick routine curl is failing? It's the same thing over and over for years. I can tell you why it failed. I go over it every time. Why isn't anyone else doing this (and better than I possibly can!). Every other team & QB makes that quick curl. We fail way over half the time. Extra mini-pump, not looking off long enough, not realizing the DB is too close... all of this is fixable. And if it's not, get that curl (and most short passes) out of the O book. To not do so is insanity.
Quote from: Tecno on July 07, 2026, 03:16:01 AMThat's my take too. Nothing was holding it where it was supposed to be.
Not much in the news releases yet except he had successful surgery today? Are we thinking bolted-in plates and stuff? Or is this not like that?
Surgery was to set the bone. They do that right away. Ligaments, tendons could be done later. Many examples of guys with torn ligaments waiting for surgery. As far as plates, screws etc and what it took to fix, only the Dr is going to know that. Everyone is optimistic but surely any return will be next year.
Quote from: Tecno on July 07, 2026, 03:10:53 AMSo easy to say right now. I'll check back in when our first pick in '27 and '28 is around #15 overall and a ton of superb 1st-week-starters go in round 1. That forces us into buying NAT talent. By '29 this may have put us in a tough bind.
You think our NAT OL situation is bad now? Just you wait!
The Brown move keeps us in playoff contention. No way Zach plays all the snaps anymore. If somehow the stars align and we win it then I will also check back in.
The other west teams: oft injured 40 year old Trevor Harris, oft injured and streaky VAJ, BC vulnerable, Edm has the running game but beatable if you stop it. Why not be all in this year?
Quote from: Tecno on July 07, 2026, 10:33:28 AMTecno breakdown:
Impact/good play, including "assists" (like good run blocks) as half a point:
good
brady 7
major 5
jones 5
demski 4
kelly 3.5
griffin 3
elgersma 3
smith 2.5
white 2.5
willie 2.5
reese 2
mazzcua 2
broxton 2
daniels 1.5
kramdi 1
jones 1
vaval 1
kornelson 1
moxey 1
perkins 1
corcoran 1
ceresna 1
pokey 1
fletcher 1
cobb 1
cadwall 1
elsbury .5
stan .5
bad
demski 2
brady 1
smith 1
zach 1
elsbury 1
castillo 1
daniels .5
Way more good stuff than bad stuff, so much cleaned up, so much progress. I can see the effort being put in, the studying being done, and the fixes being thought up and applied. Execution way better than all other weeks. I know we looked not so hot, even when Zach was in, but everyone was doing better. Hope for the future, especially if we can start scoring more.
1Q6:10 Demski 2nd down whiff on the short in-stride out pass; I really appreciate the attempt to get Zach's in-stride game going. It's one of our big weaknesses. Zach put it out a bit too far, but other team players are regularly catching that by diving...
1Q3:36 OL play, seal 1st level properly, lots of crossing parts, 2nd level. That fixes one of our problems in the previous weeks.
1Q1:28 HAM starts going deep, when the clear way to beat WPG is to dink & dunk, think SSK, and they continue the whole time BLM is in. Stupid. Could have easily won if they took what Younger gives them -- no matter which QB was in.
2Q2:58 HAM mugging on Major? No replays of the mugging part, which is where they placed the ball. Thanks TSN. MOS might have challenged -- thought about it!
Zach always says "I need to be better", but is anyone anaylzing why exactly a quick routine curl is failing? It's the same thing over and over for years. I can tell you why it failed. I go over it every time. Why isn't anyone else doing this (and better than I possibly can!). Every other team & QB makes that quick curl. We fail way over half the time. Extra mini-pump, not looking off long enough, not realizing the DB is too close... all of this is fixable. And if it's not, get that curl (and most short passes) out of the O book. To not do so is insanity.
If you watch Trevor Harris closely he turns his torso to his right immediately on the snap and shuffles a couple of steps back and in that split second while retreating he's already looking directly at his primary target evaluating whether he can complete the pass or not. He's studied his own game film and eliminated any hesitation or double pump action.
That's precisely it TLB. There's no hint for the db or lb to cheat off of by Trevor. Bo is the same.
Why aren't we working with Zach in the same way? Trevor wasn't always like this. He used to play a normal full field game like Zach. Trevor morphed. Zach didn't.
I think it's related to MOS's philosophy of the vets are "pros", we don't believe in trying to change them or make them better. It's the head in the sand approach. They say Zach can make every throw on the field, and that's that. Reality, and INTs, be darned.
I think we're doing Zach disservice.
Did anyone mention yet: we won this game because of the rouge (what's left of it).