Looks like the boys will have a long weekend to think about all the mistakes they made. Should be back on the field on Tuesday. Right now we have no American DL on the PR. Depending on JC94 injury I would think we are looking at someone. If Pokey is out I would like to see CF84 come off the PR. Like his size, 6'3" 210, he also had a very good TC.
I don't even want to think that long or hard about what will happen to us if we fumble the ball 5 or 6 times again, BLM and Kenny will hang 50 on us
The health of the club is a big concern at OL and DL as these are the pillars of any good team.
Agree bring in a DT if he's out.
Hopefully we can find a solution at OL temporarily until we get healthy.
Losing Pokey was a big deal, 84 vs. 17 what's the thoughts on the comparison between the two?
I don't think Wilson misses any time. Concussion protocol and even Jefferson said he spoke with him and he said he was ok.
OTOH, players always say they are ok. The knight in the Monte Python sketch " it's only a flesh wound ".
I think Singer is faster and more elusive than Fredrickson and the most likely to be added if Wilson is indeed out.
As far as the injury to Ceresna. Someone mentioned he was groggy. I didn't see the injury so it could have been an overheat situation or a concussion issue as well.
We did have an extra import DL when we added Reese and Fletcher. It would be nice to know the status of Dixon. He could be gone for an extended time or back practising this week. Same for Schmekel or even Kornelson. Either would allow a ratio change from the extra DT even if that was just a sub for Ceresna.
I guess we'll have to wait until we see the IR report after 1st practice next week.
With the stats, record and eye test of our defence as a whole this season, currently sitting at 33% winning record after 17% of the season, as I said before we are trending to surrender a modern day CFL record against for rushing yards against, all while each one of VAJ, Bo and Cofaj each systematically dissecting our secondary in the passing game.
I see no reason BO doesn't do even better this game with them being at home. Look what he did to us in our house, the only reason he didn't have a career day, was due to them backing off and going to the run Bo laid 287 and 3 td's passing even after backing off, 233 of that was before the half, and they added 168 yards rushing all while also hanging 37 on us in our house for our home opener in front of a sell out crowd.....
We have seen enough of our 2026 defence to say it is not good enough to compete, we can't say it was one game or an anomaly, or one player or scheme, no it is a consistent pattern of very poor play. From fundamentals like tackling, to lack of hustle to the ball, to clear confusion on assignments and blown coverages its just not good enough....
I really see us a 6-8 win team this year unless something seismic changes in our defence...
Bo - like all qb's will have a stinker now and then, he is due.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 27, 2026, 09:09:07 PMBo - like all qb's will have a stinker now and then, he is due.
Lets hope, we should have a better game plan at the very least
For Bo a stinker might be 250 to 300 at this pt 🤔, need duck season to come early
Quote from: The Zipp on June 27, 2026, 09:09:07 PMBo - like all qb's will have a stinker now and then, he is due.
Yes, they all lay the odd egg,but BLM has Kenny and Smith as recievers, they are 2 outstanding recievers, and against our weeeeeak secondary, they're light us up. I am thinking BLM will keep the ball away from Evan Holm, but he will eat up the others mercilessly.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 27, 2026, 09:09:07 PMBo - like all qb's will have a stinker now and then, he is due.
I don't know. He was nearly the best QB last season (Alexander was better but injured). And he looks twice as good this season. He may be better now than he even was when winning cups in CGY. Scary stuff. (And HAM has a top D, too!)
Unless we see some sea change by BLM (maybe if he gets sacked hard 3 times), I think he'll win the East by 2-3 games over MTL. This may finally be his year. Hopefully it's WPG vs HAM in the GC and we find a way to win one game. :D :D
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 27, 2026, 04:44:26 PMLosing Pokey was a big deal, 84 vs. 17 what's the thoughts on the comparison between the two?
I'm with BinBC. Singer is my man. Fredericksen showed splash and effort and ladder climbs and... didn't catch it. You have to come down with it, or all that circus counts for nothing.
However, we have 2-3 water bugs already -- and Singer is kind of another. And if he's not a bug, he's a lot like White. If you want the bigger body, Fredericksen is the man. We just have to hope his hands have improved.
Given that HAM is the best team right now, I would seriously be happy with just hanging around and not ending up 50-3. If we can stay within 1 score all game (garbage time doesn't count!) and battle, get long drives on O, and see that the D shored up the mistakes of 3 weeks ago, then it will be enough.
As always, I'm more concerned about how we fare against the W. If we win, that's gravy. If all goes well, we'll see them in the post-season...
I wouldn't count Toronto out, they will give certainly Montreal and Hamilton a run for their money.
If ceresna cant go I could see us adding a db, hopefully at safety. Against the cats we need a guy that can cover and with speed to help out against the cats big play receivers.
Younger needs to change up the d from the one that got destroyed by Bo last game
Quote from: Pete on June 28, 2026, 03:19:56 PMIf ceresna cant go I could see us adding a db, hopefully at safety. Against the cats we need a guy that can cover and with speed to help out against the cats big play receivers.
Younger needs to change up the d from the one that got destroyed by Bo last game
I don't know if we have an import that fits that skill set. If we do, what is the impact with Kramdi and Griffin. Even if Kramdi moves back to SAM, that would make Griffin a rotational player again.
We might see some newbies signed on Monday to fill up our PR as injuries mount.
Anyone hear where Allen is in his rehab or even what his injury was earlier? He's missed 3 games, the bye and this week means he's been out for quite awhile. I wonder if he's close to being ready to return? That said, it didn't seem as though he was expected to be the starting safety in 2026.
If cersna is out, we just went from bad to worse on defense
Quote from: dd on June 28, 2026, 01:53:48 PMI wouldn't count Toronto out, they will give certainly Montreal and Hamilton a run for their money.
As gross of a thought that this is, it is true.
They gave it to Saskatchewan at mosaic no less, which is no small feat. Every is talking Alexander and BLM, but Kelly is deadly as well.
Quote from: Tecno on June 28, 2026, 08:33:22 AMI'm with BinBC. Singer is my man. Fredericksen showed splash and effort and ladder climbs and... didn't catch it. You have to come down with it, or all that circus counts for nothing.
However, we have 2-3 water bugs already -- and Singer is kind of another. And if he's not a bug, he's a lot like White. If you want the bigger body, Fredericksen is the man. We just have to hope his hands have improved.
Yeah a tough choice but Singer is my man too
As much as I hate to say it, Kelly is a real weapon at QB. He's got a great arm and is generally quite accurate. He's got a pretty good group of recievers going also. He is great at extending plays, and running when he has to. He reads defenses well and quickly. He takes a hit, and it does not seem to phase him, no happy feet, very poised in the pocket. His only weakness (other than being of poor moral character) is a tendency to force the long ball when its not there, and overthrow a bit on the long ball. Twice he had receivers open in the end zone on long passes and overthrew them. A ball hawking secondary might be able to make him pay. Not our's unfortunately though.
The other thing about Toronto is that they do a very good job scouting American talent. They seem to find difference makers on a regular basis who are young, athletic and talented. As much as I hate to say it, you probably have to credit another questionable moral character, John Murphy for that.
Quote from: bunker on June 28, 2026, 07:01:43 PMAs much as I hate to say it, Kelly is a real weapon at QB. He's got a great arm and is generally quite accurate. He's got a pretty good group of recievers going also. He is great at extending plays, and running when he has to. He reads defenses well and quickly. He takes a hit, and it does not seem to phase him, no happy feet, very poised in the pocket. His only weakness (other than being of poor moral character) is a tendency to force the long ball when its not there, and overthrow a bit on the long ball. Twice he had receivers open in the end zone on long passes and overthrew them. A ball hawking secondary might be able to make him pay. Not our's unfortunately though.
The other thing about Toronto is that they do a very good job scouting American talent. They seem to find difference makers on a regular basis who are young, athletic and talented. As much as I hate to say it, you probably have to credit another questionable moral character, John Murphy for that.
John Murphy is no longer with them, although he may still be consulting, last seen as a guest on the Rod Pedersen Show. The Argos are run on a skeleton staff, and Pinball is the team mascot, hard to take that organization seriously.
General Manager Michael Clemons
Senior Advisor to the General Manager & Head Coach John Hufnagel
Director of Player Personnel Jim Barker
Director, Football Operations Melissa Frith
Pro Scout Coordinator Afram Jolak
Seasonal Scouting Assistant Nate Bickford
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 28, 2026, 07:35:01 PMJohn Murphy is no longer with them, although he may still be consulting, last seen as a guest on the Rod Pedersen Show. The Argos are run on a skeleton staff, and Pinball is the team mascot, hard to take that organization seriously.
General Manager Michael Clemons
Senior Advisor to the General Manager & Head Coach John Hufnagel
Director of Player Personnel Jim Barker
Director, Football Operations Melissa Frith
Pro Scout Coordinator Afram Jolak
Seasonal Scouting Assistant Nate Bickford
Thanks, I did not know he had left. His fingerprints are still likely all over the signings from last year and this year though since he left at the end of 2025, and it's often several years work to get American prospects to come up to the CFl. I'm not sure why I'm going out of the way to try and give him credit, since from all appearances he's not a very good person.
The boy's are back on the field. Waiting for DTs injury report.
Hopefully our pass prevention makes adjustments, last game against Hamiliton with Marshall and Holms side, one receiver would stop up short taking Marshall out, then Holm plays so deep on the second receiver that they were open for 10 yard pass all night long. Our secondary against Blm needs to be much tighter with the safety helping to cover breakdowns
Quote from: Pete on June 30, 2026, 07:10:19 PMHopefully our pass prevention makes adjustments, last game against Hamiliton with Marshall and Holms side, one receiver would stop up short taking Marshall out, then Holm plays so deep on the second receiver that they were open for 10 yard pass all night long. Our secondary against Blm needs to be much tighter with the safety helping to cover breakdowns
Fajardo seemed to be picking on Holm's side, he made 8 tackles the majority of them from completed passes right in front of him. He's become one of the D's best tacklers but doesn't make as many knock downs as he did in years past when he would arrive last second.
Where is the IR report?
O. Wilson shown practising on Facebook. That's one problem avoided.
Confirmed, Neufeld had twins!
How can Oshea say the offense didn't have a slow start, heck they fumbled the ball away what 5-6 times, and gave up massive sacks to put us in 2-20 situations. Why doesn't he just answer the questions honestly instead of the politically correct, never say anything bad or derogatory about anything?? The way we played both offensive and defensively was bad. Not admitting that, you're living in denial man. It's ok to say we have to protect the ball better, we have to protect the Qb better so we aren't in 2nd and long situations, and the defense has to tighten up and quit giving up 100+ plus drives....twice!!!! Didn't start out slow, give me a break, we aren't blind man.
Quote from: dd on June 30, 2026, 11:44:22 PMHow can Oshea say the offense didn't have a slow start, heck they fumbled the ball away what 5-6 times, and gave up massive sacks to put us in 2-20 situations. Why doesn't he just answer the questions honestly instead of the politically correct, never say anything bad or derogatory about anything?? The way we played both offensive and defensively was bad. Not admitting that, you're living in denial man. It's ok to say we have to protect the ball better, we have to protect the Qb better so we aren't in 2nd and long situations, and the defense has to tighten up and quit giving up 100+ plus drives....twice!!!! Didn't start out slow, give me a break, we aren't blind man.
Yeah O'Shea hates to agree with any reporter when they ask a pointed question. All he had to say was yes we need to be better at all phases, its all about execution. MI would like to see another coach beside him interviewed as well
I think FB said Jake back. Wallace out.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 01, 2026, 12:39:53 AMI think FB said Jake back. Wallace out.
Didn't notice Wallace getting injured.Maybe a vet day or personal need day? I haven't seen anything on FB yet to say what the problem was with him.
Ceresna not injured is a good thing but I wonder what his problem was last game. Dehydration maybe?
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 01:08:19 AMDidn't notice Wallace getting injured.Maybe a vet day or personal need day? I haven't seen anything on FB yet to say what the problem was with him.
Ceresna not injured is a good thing but I wonder what his problem was last game. Dehydration maybe?
I only quick read the thread, wasn't much for detail.
Ceresna is hard to say. Willie was saying was moving fine after the game but also hinted at possible missed time.
I hope we stop starting 3 Canadian receivers. It's doing no good to our offense right now.
When an American receiver goes down (just like the last game) our offense goes nowhere.
Add Singer or Fredericksen as the 3rd American receiver and only start Demski and Nield as Canadian receivers.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on July 01, 2026, 03:18:02 AMI hope we stop starting 3 Canadian receivers. It's doing no good to our offense right now.
When an American receiver goes down (just like the last game) our offense goes nowhere.
Add Singer or Fredericksen as the 3rd American receiver and only start Demski and Nield as Canadian receivers.
I just hope we use the roster rules to help there. It's getting pretty tiresome that we flat out refuse to engage with them even through they're no longer new and absolutely widely adopted. At some point doing your own thing there stops being different and endearing and starts feeling out of touch and behind the times ... And I'm a big O'Shea fan but come on.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on July 01, 2026, 03:18:02 AMI hope we stop starting 3 Canadian receivers. It's doing no good to our offense right now.
When an American receiver goes down (just like the last game) our offense goes nowhere.
Add Singer or Fredericksen as the 3rd American receiver and only start Demski and Nield as Canadian receivers.
I could be wrong but I believe Daniels, MCI, Corcoran and Cobb all share the role of the 12th player on the field, unless an Import receiver is taken off for short yardage only one can play at a time. Making the 5th receiver an Import wouldn't add much and it would eliminate flexibility from that roster spot.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 01, 2026, 03:48:57 AMI could be wrong but I believe Daniels, MCI, Corcoran and Cobb all share the role of the 12th player on the field, unless an Import receiver is taken off for short yardage only one can play at a time. Making the 5th receiver an Import wouldn't add much and it would eliminate flexibility from that roster spot.
Except the Cobb/Corcoran spot isn't producing anything at all. I think 0 stats all last game. Maybe 1-4 completions all season so far. That's useless. And they are dropping too, so they're wasting targets.
Just imagine what Singer might do if he got that starting spot. Surely he can't do worse -- and if he does, start Fredericksen.
Since we have 8 NAT starters at the moment, why not give it a test run?? Cobb or Corcoran can be the backup.
So does Zach skip practice on Friday?
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 01, 2026, 08:49:04 AMSo does Zach skip practice on Friday?
Why would he do that?
Quote from: Tecno on July 01, 2026, 09:06:24 AMWhy would he do that?
His buddy Travis is apparently getting married in Friday.
There is also a smaller event on Thursday that I'm sure Zach would want to go to as well if he's able to swing it.
Zach could head to Hamilton from New York.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 01, 2026, 09:48:24 AMHis buddy Travis is apparently getting married in Friday.
And that helps us win how? And now Wallace with a "personal day"
week? And Neuf before that... I really couldn't give a rats butt about a big-hoopla celebrity wedding. Do we give other guys days off for their nobody friends' weddings? (Your *own* wedding excluded, of course -- although holy moses, maybe look at a calendar and do some better planning!)
Have fun Zach, getting on camera and being seen with famous people. Come back and throw some slow curls with an even slower wind up so the DB can break it up. At least after we lose you can tell your buddies all about the famous bride. Priorities.
I guess we should all consider ourselves lucky the wedding wasn't on Sunday, or we'd be starting Elgersma against BLM and go 0-60.
Quote from: Tecno on July 01, 2026, 10:20:43 AMAnd that helps us win how? And now Wallace with a "personal day" week? And Neuf before that... I really couldn't give a rats butt about a big-hoopla celebrity wedding. Do we give other guys days off for their nobody friends' weddings? (Your *own* wedding excluded, of course -- although holy moses, maybe look at a calendar and do some better planning!)
Have fun Zach, getting on camera and being seen with famous people. Come back and throw some slow curls with an even slower wind up so the DB can break it up. At least after we lose you can tell your buddies all about the famous bride. Priorities.
I guess we should all consider ourselves lucky the wedding wasn't on Sunday, or we'd be starting Elgersma against BLM and go 0-60.
I doubt Collaros gets time off for the Kelce wedding. Neufeld was off for to support his wife having twins, so not exactly the same kind of comparison.
I haven't heard why Wallace might not be at practice yesterday. There could be a 100 reasons that are legit for that to happen. Last week we didn't exactly know why Neufeld was off so let's not jump the gun.
I'm not going to be able to watch the game live this week. IDK but maybe that will be less stressful than watching it. lol
I'll be in Whistler for the weekend enjoying the sun and mountains and will record the game on the PVR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 03:02:04 PMI'm not going to be able to watch the game live this week. IDK but maybe that will be less stressful than watching it. lol
I'll be in Whistler for the weekend enjoying the sun and mountains and will record the game on the PVR.
Have a good time. 😀
Quote from: Tecno on July 01, 2026, 04:36:00 AMExcept the Cobb/Corcoran spot isn't producing anything at all. I think 0 stats all last game. Maybe 1-4 completions all season so far. That's useless. And they are dropping too, so they're wasting targets.
Just imagine what Singer might do if he got that starting spot. Surely he can't do worse -- and if he does, start Fredericksen.
Since we have 8 NAT starters at the moment, why not give it a test run?? Cobb or Corcoran can be the backup.
Do a head count, the Cobb/Corcoran spot is actually the Cobb/Corcoran/MCI/Daniels/Clercius spot. Sub Singer in for Corcoran, Cobb or Clercius and he's still sharing reps with MCI and Daniels as well as coming off the field when they bring Vibert on as the 6th man. I wouldn't mind if they eliminated the 5th receiver and made Daniels an every down TE, as long as they make good use of him.
I am all for the TE formation, our pass pro would be so much better, and really, if the #5 spot is wasted, help out blocking on the line.
Quote from: Tecno on July 01, 2026, 10:20:43 AMAnd that helps us win how? And now Wallace with a "personal day" week? And Neuf before that... I really couldn't give a rats butt about a big-hoopla celebrity wedding. Do we give other guys days off for their nobody friends' weddings? (Your *own* wedding excluded, of course -- although holy moses, maybe look at a calendar and do some better planning!)
Have fun Zach, getting on camera and being seen with famous people. Come back and throw some slow curls with an even slower wind up so the DB can break it up. At least after we lose you can tell your buddies all about the famous bride. Priorities.
I guess we should all consider ourselves lucky the wedding wasn't on Sunday, or we'd be starting Elgersma against BLM and go 0-60.
If I was Collaros I'd go, it is going to be an epic event, and as for us playing Hamilton, we haven't got a prayer man of beating those guys with our soft secondary. They will score 40 no problem, we won't score 25.
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2026, 05:13:20 PMIf I was Collaros I'd go, it is going to be an epic event, and as for us playing Hamilton, we haven't got a prayer man of beating those guys with our soft secondary. They will score 40 no problem, we won't score 25.
He's not going to go or get permission from the team for that. Whether our chances are good or bad is irrelevant.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 05:50:27 PMHe's not going to go or get permission from the team for that. Whether our chances are good or bad is irrelevant.
Id say there is 95% percent chance the team would let him attend. O'Shea knows there's a life outside of football for these guys.
He would be missing a practice and not an actual game.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 01, 2026, 05:59:45 PMId say there is 95% percent chance the team would let him attend. O'Shea knows there's a life outside of football for these guys.
He would be missing a practice and not an actual game.
I don't think Zach would dare ask O'Shea to be excused to go party heading into such an important game.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 01, 2026, 04:47:03 PMDo a head count, the Cobb/Corcoran spot is actually the Cobb/Corcoran/MCI/Daniels/Clercius spot. Sub Singer in for Corcoran, Cobb or Clercius and he's still sharing reps with MCI and Daniels as well as coming off the field when they bring Vibert on as the 6th man. I wouldn't mind if they eliminated the 5th receiver and made Daniels an every down TE, as long as they make good use of him.
Daniels isn't ready to be a contributor right now. Using him and guys like Cobb and Corcoran is essentially playing 11 on 12.
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 01, 2026, 06:35:13 PMDaniels isn't ready to be a contributor right now. Using him and guys like Cobb and Corcoran is essentially playing 11 on 12.
Hard to judge him on his blocking ability but I like what he showed on those 2 receptions despite the fumble. 2 receptions for 51 yds because no one thought to cover him, next game they'll have to keep an eye on him as Zach's check down and it should allow the other receivers more space. Prefer this formation to the 6th O-lineman unless they're going max protect.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 01, 2026, 05:59:45 PMId say there is 95% percent chance the team would let him attend. O'Shea knows there's a life outside of football for these guys.
He would be missing a practice and not an actual game.
No practice today. No IR report from yesterday.
Friday is a practice day. Saturday is a travel day. So no chance he's going to the wedding.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 07:58:01 PMNo practice today. No IR report from yesterday.
Friday is a practice day. Saturday is a travel day. So no chance he's going to the wedding.
Looks like they practiced today, strange he didn't give them Canada Day off.
Eli and Wallace both sitting out todays practice, guess more than their pride got hurt being manhandled last game by edm
Quote from: Pete on July 01, 2026, 08:20:07 PMEli and Wallace both sitting out todays practice, guess more than their pride got hurt being manhandled last game by edm
Demski also listed as DNP and Ceresna as Limited.
OTOH, Clark, Novak, Ball and Schmekel all practised. I think that's earlier than the 6 game IR allows so either they are bumped to 1 game IR, AR or PR.
Not quite sure what to expect with any of those but it does improve our Canadian replacement depth if and when needed.
Still nothing regarding Woodbey, Allen or Dixon. So that's not great news.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 09:10:48 PMDemski also listed as DNP and Ceresna as Limited.
OTOH, Clark, Novak, Ball and Schmekel all practised. I think that's earlier than the 6 game IR allows so either they are bumped to 1 game IR, AR or PR.
Not quite sure what to expect with any of those but it does improve our Canadian replacement depth if and when needed.
Headed towards a log jam on ST, Stuart and Boulaine currently holding down 2 spots will probably be replaced by Ball and Novak, the leftover 3 go to PR school to learn seniority rules.
Time for Schmeck to contribute, this is his 4th season and he's spent more time on the injury list than on the roster. Could be like Neufeld though, first 5 years were tough health wise but he's played another 10 since.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 01, 2026, 09:36:25 PMHeaded towards a log jam on ST, Stuart and Boulaine currently holding down 2 spots will probably be replaced by Ball and Novak, the leftover 3 go to PR school to learn seniority rules.
Time for Schmeck to contribute, this is his 4th season and he's spent more time on the injury list than on the roster. Could be like Neufeld though, first 5 years were tough health wise but he's played another 10 since.
Agreed. We're not having problems with our ST's but the injured should be higher on the depth chart than the others mentioned.
Ball might even have a leg up on Kelly as the 6th DB when he's ready to return.
Schmekel seemed to be improving through late last year. He has to win a spot on the AR and if he does, that potentially gives us another ratio option. IDK that he's better than Fletcher but just for arguments sake, let's say he can bump him to the PR.
Injuries
A wee bit worried but at least a few guys coming back soon
Ceresna: hip. Weird... Going down funny? Helmet to the hip on that ankle-roll play? Hip allows you to keep playing with full mobility?
Pokey concussion protocol from the sideline tackle seems likely. Y'all guessed right on the GDT. From the "he practiced" note, looks like it wasn't a concussion -- or only a very minor one.
Overall, the report could have been worse. So that's at least some good news.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 11:16:23 PMBall might even have a leg up on Kelly as the 6th DB when he's ready to return.
Ball should be in there the instant he's healthy and Kelly just cut from the team, or very least sent to PR. I saw him get close to a carrier a few times vs EDM and he was useless. Looked like a JV squad shrimp trying to tackle Travis Kelcey. And that's the very few times he actually arrives in the picture!!
Ball, if he's a smart lad, needs to spend max time learning everything and training himself up on being a brain guy for us. If so he could have a long career here and quickly become a MOS favorite. From the TC reports and what we've seen of him on teams, he already has the physical attributes mostly in place.
How about Ball as a future smart, fast, roving FS??
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 01, 2026, 08:19:11 PMLooks like they practiced today, strange he didn't give them Canada Day off.
Good. They should all be working 7 days a week as far as I'm concerned. Maybe all involved actually do care after all.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 07:58:01 PMFriday is a practice day. Saturday is a travel day. So no chance he's going to the wedding.
He already said he's going in one of the TSN pre-games. Kate (or one of the other ladies?) sat down with Zach for an entire segment and the main talking point was the Taytay wedding. There was zero question whether he'd go.
They spent half the segment talking about what present to buy the couple, and they called up someone's friend who works for some shoe(?) company.
It was actually quite absurd, although I do appreciate how a big part of football is "entertainment".
You guys don't watch the pre-games?
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 01, 2026, 06:35:13 PMDaniels isn't ready to be a contributor right now. Using him and guys like Cobb and Corcoran is essentially playing 11 on 12.
He's already a contributor and actually looks like the best weapon we have on O right now. He's the only guy doing things the D's haven't 100% accounted for. They are in everyone's pocket and stuffing every run -- except Daniels who they didn't think would do anything.
I want MORE Daniels. Just coach it into him that you hug the ball with 2 hands at all times when a D guy is anywhere nearby. I think he'll learn: he looked like a puppy that pooped the carpet right after his fumble when MOS was approaching him. Check it out... I've never seen that level of obeisance from a player before. Shame is a strong teacher. And I'm not dissing the guy, these are all good traits in this context.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 01, 2026, 06:05:09 PMI don't think Zach would dare ask O'Shea to be excused to go party heading into such an important game.
Hmm... did MOS get in the Jul 1 practice in order to help Zach make the wedding?
Or, maybe Kelcey is sending Zach one of his private jets to fly him out for the evening right after practice. Easily doable. Fly him back (tipsy!) the same night, or next morning and straight to HAM.
It sounds like Zach is a top-5 or even top-3 friend of Kelcey, and loaning a jet is means nothing to that couple. Entirely possible.
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2026, 05:13:20 PMIf I was Collaros I'd go, it is going to be an epic event, and as for us playing Hamilton, we haven't got a prayer man of beating those guys with our soft secondary. They will score 40 no problem, we won't score 25.
While 100% true, and there is no hope to win short of miracle screwups by HAM, it is bad optics, and bad for team morale... for any player to flit around like that -- but DOUBLY worse when it's your #1 QB.
That said, my money is on him going.
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2026, 05:02:34 PMI am all for the TE formation, our pass pro would be so much better, and really, if the #5 spot is wasted, help out blocking on the line.
Except it's not. Every time we went jumbo or TE or max pro EDM just brought that many more. I don't think the outcome changed even one bit whether we had 5 protectors/blockers or 7. Why? Because 1+ guys would always screw up and get beat.
So I would think Daniels as more of a weapon who has the bonus of providing extra protection -- not the other way around.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 01, 2026, 04:47:03 PMDo a head count, the Cobb/Corcoran spot is actually the Cobb/Corcoran/MCI/Daniels/Clercius spot.
True, but when we're talking 5 REC out, which is probably 35% of the snaps, it is the "2 C's" spot. And it's not producing. Not to the level SSK's 5th REC spot does... or EDM's. Or HAM's... or...
Zach doesn't trust them, and half the snaps they are in
he doesn't even look at them and will never throw to them even when they are 100% wide open for a first down... like the late stages vs EDM.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 03:00:18 PMI doubt Collaros gets time off for the Kelce wedding. Neufeld was off for to support his wife having twins, so not exactly the same kind of comparison.
Ya, I didn't know the Neuf reason at the time. He can have a pass on his babies. Nothing beats babies!
BUT... if Neuf was in vs EDM, and our pass pro was more like game 1 & 2 (which had good pass pro), do we win that final drive and the game?? Something to contemplate. As good as his intentions, it has real costs. There's only 18 games. Each important guy takes a personal day, that's 18 potential losses. (There's always the option to get busy early-season and have the births in the off-season!!)
:o :o
Quote from: Tecno on July 02, 2026, 07:42:39 AMTrue, but when we're talking 5 REC out, which is probably 35% of the snaps, it is the "2 C's" spot. And it's not producing. Not to the level SSK's 5th REC spot does... or EDM's. Or HAM's... or...
Zach doesn't trust them, and half the snaps they are in he doesn't even look at them and will never throw to them even when they are 100% wide open for a first down... like the late stages vs EDM.
That's a Zach issue, he picks favourites and sticks with them, notice how the top QB's in the league don't do that, they throw to anyone that is open.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 02, 2026, 06:20:09 PMThat's a Zach issue, he picks favourites and sticks with them, notice how the top QB's in the league don't do that, they throw to anyone that is open.
And defenses know that. Key on Demski and Wilson, and give up the check down to Nield or Daniels, and that's what they're doing.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 02, 2026, 06:20:09 PMThat's a Zach issue, he picks favourites and sticks with them, notice how the top QB's in the league don't do that, they throw to anyone that is open.
Our 4 top receivers and Brady all have between 14-20 targets. Who is his favourite?
Quote from: Jesse on July 02, 2026, 06:47:00 PMOur 4 top receivers and Brady all have between 14-20 targets. Who is his favourite?
Wheatfall?
Quote from: Tecno on July 02, 2026, 09:42:43 AMYa, I didn't know the Neuf reason at the time. He can have a pass on his babies. Nothing beats babies!
BUT... if Neuf was in vs EDM, and our pass pro was more like game 1 & 2 (which had good pass pro), do we win that final drive and the game?? Something to contemplate. As good as his intentions, it has real costs. There's only 18 games. Each important guy takes a personal day, that's 18 potential losses. (There's always the option to get busy early-season and have the births in the off-season!!)
:o :o
If Collaros goes to the wedding and misses the walk through, I'm going to be very disappointed in him whether we win or lose.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2026, 08:44:53 PMIf Collaros goes to the wedding and misses the walk through, I'm going to be very disappointed in him whether we win or lose.
It's one practice for a lifetime of memories.
I would want Zach to go as I wouldnt want him moping around over the fact he missed out attending.
Besides, if Zach does go Im sure he'd still be in contact with Tommy and the QBs over zoom or whatever.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 02, 2026, 09:06:19 PMIt's one practice for a lifetime of memories.
I would want Zach to go as I wouldnt want him moping around over the fact he missed out attending.
Besides, if Zach does go Im sure he'd still be in contact with Tommy and the QBs over zoom or whatever.
Not acceptable. The team is 1 - 2. It's a friends wedding, not family.
So hypothetically, how do we feel if Zach goes to the wedding Friday, plays Sunday and puts up a stinker?
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2026, 08:44:53 PMIf Collaros goes to the wedding and misses the walk through, I'm going to be very disappointed in him whether we win or lose.
Not me, work life balance is important, you give your veteran leader a long leash. He earned that.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 02, 2026, 09:06:19 PMIt's one practice for a lifetime of memories.
I would want Zach to go as I wouldnt want him moping around over the fact he missed out attending.
Besides, if Zach does go Im sure he'd still be in contact with Tommy and the QBs over zoom or whatever.
Agree all
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2026, 09:36:59 PMNot acceptable. The team is 1 - 2. It's a friends wedding, not family.
Totally acceptable, part of our culture
Quote from: RebusRankin on July 02, 2026, 09:38:10 PMSo hypothetically, how do we feel if Zach goes to the wedding Friday, plays Sunday and puts up a stinker?
Could put a sticker either way, will never know why. I expect an average to good game.
Quote from: dd on July 02, 2026, 06:46:12 PMAnd defenses know that. Key on Demski and Wilson, and give up the check down to Nield or Daniels, and that's what they're doing.
Daniels is hardly a regular part of our O
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 02, 2026, 10:10:40 PMNot me, work life balance is important, you give your veteran leader a long leash. He earned that.Agree allTotally acceptable, part of our culture Could put a sticker either way, will never know why. I expect an average to good game.Daniels is hardly a regular part of our O
We're paying Collaros over $500K to play football for 18 games. He's played with 100's if not 1000's of players in college and the CFL. He's played on several CFL teams over an extended time. He doesn't get to skip practices or games every time one throws a party or gets married.
That is not part of our culture. Leaving for illness within the family, birth, death or critical business requirements is ok but not all encompassing.
If Collaros would rather be at a wedding, let Brown and Elgersma play. We'll be fine and if it works, consider keeping it for a bit longer.
Literally the wedding / event of a decade.
Is Zach close enough to be a groomsman? That'd be a consideration, for sure.
I have no issue with him attending, not sure he doesn't come back re-energized. And there is a reason Dru is here...
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2026, 11:09:21 PMWe're paying Collaros over $500K to play football for 18 games. He's played with 100's if not 1000's of players in college and the CFL. He's played on several CFL teams over an extended time. He doesn't get to skip practices or games every time one throws a party or gets married.
That is not part of our culture. Leaving for illness within the family, birth, death or critical business requirements is ok but not all encompassing.
Yup he earned that. He earned the ability to take this break. It's not everytime. It's this time.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 02, 2026, 11:19:09 PMIf Collaros would rather be at a wedding, let Brown and Elgersma play. We'll be fine and if it works, consider keeping it for a bit longer.
Terrible idea. Guy gets approved to take a break. He doesn't loose his job as a result. He almost single handedly turned this org. around. He can go to a party, return and sling. Non issue handled internally. 2nd and 3rd string get more reps at practice.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2026, 11:09:21 PMWe're paying Collaros over $500K to play football for 18 games. He's played with 100's if not 1000's of players in college and the CFL. He's played on several CFL teams over an extended time. He doesn't get to skip practices or games every time one throws a party or gets married.
That is not part of our culture. Leaving for illness within the family, birth, death or critical business requirements is ok but not all encompassing.
$600k, he can go to the event after the Ti-Cat game, I'm sure the party will carry on for a few days after the wedding.
"The couple is hosting an estimated 1,100 guests over a multi-day celebration in New York City. Festivities kicked off with an intimate rehearsal dinner on July 2, 2026, ahead of their main marriage ceremony and mega-reception at Madison Square"
With over 1,100 guests invited, Zach probably won't be noticed or missed.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 02, 2026, 11:19:09 PMIf Collaros would rather be at a wedding, let Brown and Elgersma play. We'll be fine and if it works, consider keeping it for a bit longer.
That's actually a great idea. I'd give it to Elgersma. We're going to lose no matter what anyhow. Let's save Zach getting beaten up (especially if Wallace is out and there's yet another OL shuffle -- unless we plug in Vant). AND we get to see what Elgersma can offer -- and if HE stinks it all up then he certainly can't pout being moved to RR all season in favor of Dru.
And if Elgersma lights it up and is RIGHT NOW the next Rourke, we have a season-long option of parking Zach and rolling with our new star NAT QB. Ya, that's not going to happen, but one can dream.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2026, 08:44:53 PMIf Collaros goes to the wedding and misses the walk through, I'm going to be very disappointed in him whether we win or lose.
If he has a private jet so total time away from the team is 7-8 hours,
AND he wins against league-best HAM in a dominating fashion (i.e. not just ST/D luck), then I say all is forgiven and I won't care one whit.
But we all know the latter will not happen.
If your stipulation BinBC is so strict, be prepared to be severely disappointed!! P.S. I'm more on your side about this than not.
Quote from: Jesse on July 02, 2026, 06:47:00 PMOur 4 top receivers and Brady all have between 14-20 targets. Who is his favourite?
That's easy. Nield and Demski are the only guys he looks at. And White in the redzone. And Brady for the draw screen / dump pass / bail out, of course.
Pokey in his wide-out position gets a look only on the rare occasion we decide to "go for it"
and Zach gets the match-up he likes -- IOW, rarely.
Everyone else is just an afterthought. And between Nield & Demski his favorite changes based on who the D is double-covering and who shows the hot hand early in the game. Zach is 100% a hot-hand guy -- he picks his favorite early every game. And if you whiff early, God help you, because you'll be invisible to him later on.
Quote from: Tecno on July 03, 2026, 01:12:57 AMThat's easy. Nield and Demski are the only guys he looks at. And White in the redzone. And Brady for the draw screen / dump pass / bail out, of course.
Pokey in his wide-out position gets a look only on the rare occasion we decide to "go for it" and Zach gets the match-up he likes -- IOW, rarely.
Everyone else is just an afterthought. And between Nield & Demski his favorite changes based on who the D is double-covering and who shows the hot hand early in the game. Zach is 100% a hot-hand guy -- he picks his favorite early every game. And if you whiff early, God help you, because you'll be invisible to him later on.
I am saying there are 5 separate players that have received very similar targets. How far down his reads do you expect him to look?
Quote from: Jesse on July 03, 2026, 02:08:08 PMI am saying there are 5 separate players that have received very similar targets. How far down his reads do you expect him to look?
Turns out he has at least five favourite targets. ;D
Can't say I understand where the narrative comes from that he fixates on targets; there's really no evidence to support it.
Quote from: Tecno on July 03, 2026, 01:07:37 AMThat's actually a great idea. I'd give it to Elgersma. We're going to lose no matter what anyhow. Let's save Zach getting beaten up (especially if Wallace is out and there's yet another OL shuffle -- unless we plug in Vant). AND we get to see what Elgersma can offer -- and if HE stinks it all up then he certainly can't pout being moved to RR all season in favor of Dru.
And if Elgersma lights it up and is RIGHT NOW the next Rourke, we have a season-long option of parking Zach and rolling with our new star NAT QB. Ya, that's not going to happen, but one can dream.
I think realistically you'd have to platoon them. Elgersma would need simplified looks and choices.
What we lose in experience we gain in athletics and arm talent.
It would look quite a bit different but I don't think it would be significantly worse. Zach's actual offensive output has been pretty modest the last two seasons most nights. I've seen enough that I don't think he's going to elevate enough to beat any of the monsters playing QB right now.
Playing against Hamilton this weekend,, and Toronto next , teams have figured out our secondary . With the way offences are lighting it up I would suhgest that the best way to slow em down is to get creative in how we pressure the qb Likely the next move in adjustments.
Sure we will get burnt but its better than what we are seeing right now across the league
Quote from: Tecno on July 03, 2026, 01:09:59 AMIf he has a private jet so total time away from the team is 7-8 hours, AND he wins against league-best HAM in a dominating fashion (i.e. not just ST/D luck), then I say all is forgiven and I won't care one whit.
But we all know the latter will not happen.
If your stipulation BinBC is so strict, be prepared to be severely disappointed!! P.S. I'm more on your side about this than not.
I see today is the actual wedding day and the Bombers don't play until Sunday, if Zach leaves after practice today, he won't be cutting out on his responsibilities and he could be back in Hamilton ready to go the night before the game.
As long as he doesn't perform as if he has a hangover all should be good, but if the game goes worse than many already expect it will go, it could become a contentious focal point if the season as a whole also disappoints. Imagine if the QB invited to the party was Chad Kelly, Yahoo!!!!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 03, 2026, 04:57:30 PMI see today is the actual wedding day and the Bombers don't play until Sunday, if Zach leaves after practice today, he won't be cutting out on his responsibilities and he could be back in Hamilton ready to go the night before the game.
As long as he doesn't perform as if he has a hangover all should be good, but if the game goes worse than many already expect it will go, it could become a contentious focal point if the season as a whole also disappoints. Imagine if the QB invited to the party was Chad Kelly, Yahoo!!!!
If he leaves after practice, then it might be alright. The point was more to whether he'd miss a practice and potentially arrive late and / or unprepared due to missing practice.
We don't even know if he is in fact going, but I guess we'll find out.
Curious to know if the people that think Collaros should be allowed to go to the wedding would feel the same way if it was a playoff game or, heaven forbid, the Grey Cup?
Anyho, Zach isnt listed on the injury report.
Its an event of a lifetime that doesn't interfere with anything, I say if he wants to go, go, don't live life worried about what others will think, live life for you.
The IR report shows 5 key starters as full practice but lists them as questionable. I suspect they will play but I guess it's not guaranteed either. Demski is often listed as questionable for most games. He gets banged up every game because of how hard he plays and gets hit.
I am curious to see what happens to those on the 6 game IR are treated roster wise. Do they get bumped to 1 game IR this week, or a couple of cases even to the PR. Unless they changed the rules of when 6 game IR players can practice, it's seem they did start early?
No big deal either way, but trying to keep with the always changing dynamics of rule changes.
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 03, 2026, 08:44:35 PMCurious to know if the people that think Collaros should be allowed to go to the wedding would feel the same way if it was a playoff game or, heaven forbid, the Grey Cup?
I'd imagine if the stakes were higher, he'd take that into account.
I don't begrudge him missing a single practice early in the season to attend a friends wedding if he's back for the game.
That said, I think the expectation is that he stays with the team and misses the event.
If you can believe the transaction page, Jenkins was moved to the PR and Kornelson was activated. That would suggest Reese has passed him on the depth chart.
It might also mean the Ceresna is not 100% and they need to beef up the DT position.
The other shoe has to drop because that allows us to add another import somewhere. We don't have healthy bodies for most positions. IMO it comes down to adding another DB or a receiver. Flip a coin.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2026, 12:58:56 AMThe other shoe has to drop because that allows us to add another import somewhere. We don't have healthy bodies for most positions. IMO it comes down to adding another DB or a receiver. Flip a coin.
Singer or Vant (if Wallace out). A stable OL will provide more value to our woes than another IMP REC, IMHO. On the flipside, it would be nice to see if Singer is the next big thing so we can plan around him the rest of the season.
Quote from: Jesse on July 04, 2026, 12:34:51 AMThat said, I think the expectation is that he stays with the team and misses the event.
Did no one read my comment on the other thread? Collaros in the TSN segment with Kate last game said HE WAS GOING. And Kate was hooking him up with wedding presents. They wouldn't have that whole segment and Zach wouldn't say those things if he didn't already have leave.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 03, 2026, 04:57:30 PMAs long as he doesn't perform as if he has a hangover all should be good, but if the game goes worse than many already expect it will go, it could become a contentious focal point
This is literally impossible. It can't possibly be WORSE than basement expectations.
Quote from: Tecno on July 04, 2026, 04:59:37 AMThis is literally impossible. It can't possibly be WORSE than basement expectations.
Cumulatively it could, in retrospect attending this event may be seen as the straw that broke the camel's back which sent the season spiralling down the toilet. They almost missed the playoffs last season, if they dare miss them this year there will most likely be a few big changes in store.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2026, 06:10:29 AMCumulatively it could, in retrospect attending this event may be seen as the straw that broke the camel's back which sent the season spiralling down the toilet.
I actually don't think we'll be all
that bad. We can move the ball every 3-5 drives. We have decent to good personnel. Our D might do ok against the run, certainly better than the prev HAM game. We might do decent stopping the deep ball. We'll play to our scheme's strengths. We might get lucky on ST. We might put up decent points. If we're really lucky Brady & The OL might accomplish something and avg 6YPC.
The problem is we'll be outclassed in most aspects. It'll be clear we never had a chance. It'll be clear that the other team isn't even having to try their hardest, and can be playing one of their worst games this season and still easily win. Kind of like how SSK just beat OTT.
The worst part is it will be clear the braintrust is once again letting us down. There will be no higher-order thinking. No taking advantage of teams keying on our tendencies. No thinking outside the box on D. If we manage to shut down the deep ball, they'll just take the free short pass outlet the whole night -- like BLM and his top-tier REC corps can't pull that off? And the team will be visibly low-key, and by the mid-3rd they'll be bummed out and thinking of the flight home.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 03, 2026, 02:11:38 PMTurns out he has at least five favourite targets. ;D
Can't say I understand where the narrative comes from that he fixates on targets; there's really no evidence to support it.
He totally does it, especially since Woli/Bailey left. He used to trust everyone in the magic 2019 crew and spread the ball more evenly; now, not so much.
Look at the HAM game. It was all Nield all the time. When it's a more important down, or a more important time of the game, or a harder play, he goes to his hot hand for the night. And it does change each night. He picks his favorite early (and maybe that's part of the Condell plan, too; hard to say). Or it could be he senses who the D is focusing on and goes the other way, also hard to say.
Against EDM it was Demski. And there were many times vs EDM in the 4th when our lesser RECs were wide open and could easily get 1st down and Zach doesn't give them the time of day. Instead he throws to heavily covered Demski.
See below. All excluding Brady, who gets cheap targets as the dump outlet.
vs CGY
White 5/6 60
Pokey 2/7 52
next highest had 4 targets
vs HAM
Nield 7/9 111
Pokey 6/7 87
White 4/7 79
next highest had 4 targets
vs EDM
Demski 6/7 92
White 5/7 55
next highest had 4 targets
So most games have 2, maybe 3, favored/hot-hands. Everyone else is around half the targets as the top guys.
And this isn't even that weird. Many/most teams/QBs will pick faves per game or even per season. Surprise surprise, those faves are usually the top paid playmakers.
However, the best teams in any given year will often be more even-distributors. Like SSK last year (excluding Busby, LOL), and us in '19-'22. Or even TOR this season: everyone eats.
Quote from: Tecno on July 04, 2026, 06:45:53 AMHe totally does it, especially since Woli/Bailey left. He used to trust everyone in the magic 2019 crew and spread the ball more evenly; now, not so much.
Look at the HAM game. It was all Nield all the time. When it's a more important down, or a more important time of the game, or a harder play, he goes to his hot hand for the night. And it does change each night. He picks his favorite early (and maybe that's part of the Condell plan, too; hard to say). Or it could be he senses who the D is focusing on and goes the other way, also hard to say.
Against EDM it was Demski. And there were many times vs EDM in the 4th when our lesser RECs were wide open and could easily get 1st down and Zach doesn't give them the time of day. Instead he throws to heavily covered Demski.
See below. All excluding Brady, who gets cheap targets as the dump outlet.
vs CGY
White 5/6 60
Pokey 2/7 52
next highest had 4 targets
vs HAM
Nield 7/9 111
Pokey 6/7 87
White 4/7 79
next highest had 4 targets
vs EDM
Demski 6/7 92
White 5/7 55
next highest had 4 targets
So most games have 2, maybe 3, favored/hot-hands. Everyone else is around half the targets as the top guys.
And this isn't even that weird. Many/most teams/QBs will pick faves per game or even per season. Surprise surprise, those faves are usually the top paid playmakers.
However, the best teams in any given year will often be more even-distributors. Like SSK last year (excluding Busby, LOL), and us in '19-'22. Or even TOR this season: everyone eats.
It's not good when they have receivers he completely ignores like Cobb, Corcoran or Clercius when healthy, he shows no confidence in them and only looks their way when he has no other options. Not making use of all the weapons available diminishes the attack and makes it easier to defend against. Same goes for MCI, look how great Daniel Adeboye plays as a change up to Bell in Ottawa.
thr fact that in the three games that 3 different guys led in targets in fact indicates that Zac isnt paying favorites, when you have 4 good targets of course the fifth isnt going to see the ball much.
Quote from: Tecno on July 04, 2026, 04:57:09 AMDid no one read my comment on the other thread? Collaros in the TSN segment with Kate last game said HE WAS GOING. And Kate was hooking him up with wedding presents. They wouldn't have that whole segment and Zach wouldn't say those things if he didn't already have leave.
I get it, I more mean the general expectation for a football player is that these things have to be scheduled around their football schedule.
Quote from: Pete on July 04, 2026, 05:34:19 PMthr fact that in the three games that 3 different guys led in targets in fact indicates that Zac isnt paying favorites, when you have 4 good targets of course the fifth isnt going to see the ball much.
I never said he has season-long favorites, or even favorites going into a game. What he does is
ID the hothand (whoever is having a good night) early, and that becomes his favorite
for the rest of the night, come heck or high water.
And heaven help you if you screw up early (like Cobb does at times), because then you can be wide open for a game-winner and he still won't throw to you -- he probably thinks you'll just drop it. He may not be wrong.
He's been like this since around the time Woli left.
Did everyone see Kelly's tackling?
I don't like criticizing players, I'm sure he's doing the best he can, but
I suspect he's too physically weak, and small, to wrap up and tackle the most effective way. So he resorts to diving at the ball carrier.
Someone explain to me why this person is on the field?
Quote from: markf on July 06, 2026, 03:18:08 PMDid everyone see Kelly's tackling?
I don't like criticizing players, I'm sure he's doing the best he can, but
I suspect he's too physically weak, and small, to wrap up and tackle the most effective way. So he resorts to diving at the ball carrier.
Someone explain to me why this person is on the field?
He had some very effective tackles. I saw one attempted dive, which he slowed the ball carrier down with who was immediately tackeld. But other than that, he wrapped up much better than I expected, and made a number of very good plays, where I had to rewind and confirm it was 16...
Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2026, 03:30:45 PMHe had some very effective tackles. I saw one attempted dive, which he slowed the ball carrier down with who was immediately tackeld. But other than that, he wrapped up much better than I expected, and made a number of very good plays, where I had to rewind and confirm it was 16...
Kelly actually looked good, he's faster than Kramdi and maybe better in pass coverage. His work on ST shows he can be a hard hitting tackler, in time he could be the Natl. Safety they're looking for.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2026, 04:02:14 PMKelly actually looked good, he's faster than Kramdi and maybe better in pass coverage. His work on ST shows he can be a hard hitting tackler, in time he could be the Natl. Safety they're looking for.
Not sure I'd go that far, but he definitely is improving. If nothing other than a passing down sub in and a ST, he will earn his keep.
If he does improve past that, bonus.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2026, 04:50:25 PMNot sure I'd go that far, but he definitely is improving. If nothing other than a passing down sub in and a ST, he will earn his keep.
If he does improve past that, bonus.
I think Kramdi's limitations are being exposed, he's not as physical or as fast as players he's competing with for the same positions, his knowledge of the game is the asset that's earned his salary and status. With Smith coming on and possibly Shay I could see them shopping him for other assets in the off-season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2026, 08:24:59 PMI think Kramdi's limitations are being exposed, he's not as physical or as fast as players he's competing with for the same positions, his knowledge of the game is the asset that's earned his salary and status. With Smith coming on and possibly Shay I could see them shopping him for other assets in the off-season.
For the love of football I have no idea why Kramdi gets so much good press around here. He's horribly overrated and overstated. He plays small. He isn't a great tackler. He hasn't even been great in one on one coverage this year which was his calling card. If it wasn't for the ratio and the fact that we don't have many options at safety I think he'd be relegated to specials. Ya, I know: he punched the ball out last game. Still not impressed. Even Jake Kelly might be passing him in terms of every down usefulness.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 11:37:52 PMFor the love of football I have no idea why Kramdi gets so much good press around here. He's horribly overrated and overstated. He plays small. He isn't a great tackler. He hasn't even been great in one on one coverage this year which was his calling card. If it wasn't for the ratio and the fact that we don't have many options at safety I think he'd be relegated to specials. Ya, I know: he punched the ball out last game. Still not impressed. Even Jake Kelly might be passing him in terms of every down usefulness.
The only reason he is on our roster is he's a NAT and we don't have anyone in the wings to take his spot, and we're paying a good $$$ for him
Anyone listening to coach's show? Susan just took Osh to task on the O-line.
Osh did his usual Dr. Hibbert patronizing laugh and tried to make a joke/deflection that he'd call Walby to see if he is available, but Susan stuck to her points that there's poor protection for the qb's and Osh didn't have much more to say about it.
Great job, Susan!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 11:37:52 PMFor the love of football I have no idea why Kramdi gets so much good press around here. He's horribly overrated and overstated. He plays small. He isn't a great tackler.
I thought Kramdi was a very good SAM for a NAT. Yes, "for a NAT" isn't high praise. But it's the CFL. And clearly he directs everything out there.
But Griffin has been a decent upgrade at SAM. Not earth-shattering. Not Leggett level. But good enough he likely keeps that spot.
I think Kramdi's slow speed is the main problem at FS. He can't rove like Dequoy. He has to be more in zone or more "getting in the way" than speeding to the air ball. He does seem to help somewhat coming up to the box in support, though -- but that's more like his SAM job than a true FS job.
He also might still be learning the ropes & tricks & tells though. It's only 4 games in. He may get better at it later in the season, even if we haven't seen it yet. We were more patient with Allen when he didn't do much for half a season!
Kyrie was almost never out there last game, so that means Kramdi will NOT be taken off the field as the QB of the D. If we really really hate him at FS, he could always go back to SAM, and Griffin to DI.
Smith got a TON of reps, and we may be testing new things, or showing a glimpse of what we really are planning. Smith would also give us ratio help... though I'm not sure if he's capable of being groomed into the next "QB of the D".
Quote from: markf on July 06, 2026, 03:18:08 PMDid everyone see Kelly's tackling?
Kelly's best game ever was this game. The one time he bumped rather than tackled, the carrier fell OOB. So that's a win in my books. The only time I saw him whiff was when he was holding a kick returner's foot for about 3 seconds. That actually should be a win as well, because where in the bleep was the rest of the team/waves coming to smash the motionless returner!?
If a ST gunner is holding up a returner in any way, shape or form, that's a total win for the gunner. Most of the time they are there just to redirect the returner into the funnel of death.
Kelly had 3.5 impactful plays/assists this game. Usually he has precisely zero. He had 0 impactful mistakes this game. Normally he has 1 or many.
If he finally turned the corner, this dude might become something. Or he might revert to Bad Kelly. Who knows. But let's all praise his improvement, and pray for more. He was the Roc Carmicheal / Sam Hurl punching bag around here for many, many games this last 1.5 seasons.
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Kyrie was almost never out there last game, so that means Kramdi will NOT be taken off the field as the QB of the D. If we really really hate him at FS, he could always go back to SAM, and Griffin to DI.
Smith got a TON of reps, and we may be testing new things, or showing a glimpse of what we really are planning. Smith would also give us ratio help... though I'm not sure if he's capable of being groomed into the next "QB of the D".
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Started to notice Kyrie in the second half and he played well IMO, swear he was sat out the entire first half. Smith looked good even in pass coverage, he stayed with his man but may have received a PI penalty for being too physical. He's built thickly, can easily mistake him for Griffin, neither is well suited for chasing fleet receivers.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 07, 2026, 07:00:00 AMStarted to notice Kyrie in the second half and he played well IMO, swear he was sat out the entire first half. Smith looked good even in pass coverage, he stayed with his man but may have received a PI penalty for being too physical. He's built thickly, can easily mistake him for Griffin, neither is well suited for chasing swift receivers.
It was a weird night for D sets. Didn't really see Ayers. Saw a whackton of Smith. Lots of Kelly. No Shay (no surprise). Little Kyrie.
Ayers is a big surprise, as he saw a lot of action vs EDM. But maybe he's more the run-threat guy and against BLM we needed a pass-threat guy.
Griffin/Smith: I don't know if I'd write them off on following a faster REC from SAM... Griffin's made it to weird places and looked quite fast doing it. The tell would be if we leave Griffin isolated on a fast slot in man, cover-1 or cover-0. Not sure we've done that yet. But it's nice (or critical?) if a SAM can do that?
We needed to play more Smith because of the OL change. I like him much better than Kyrie anyway.
Quote from: Jesse on July 07, 2026, 01:40:38 PMWe needed to play more Smith because of the OL change. I like him much better than Kyrie anyway.
Agreed. Bombers are looking at a bit of a youth movement at a few different places all of a sudden. O'Shea loves his vets but we need to be more aggressive in pruning the weeds to keep the lawn green.
I think Kramdi as a SAM, helping direct traffic down low is where he excels. Trying to turn him into a FS traffic cop was a nice experiment, but it is time to end that crap. He may have the mental tools to do that job, but he certainly lacks the physical tools to get where he needs to be. Its a lot easier with 1/3 of the width to cover than the full width. I like his jump, he is fast to react and accelerate, but his top speed is lacking.
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Quote from: theaardvark on July 07, 2026, 03:29:24 PMI think Kramdi as a SAM, helping direct traffic down low is where he excels. Trying to turn him into a FS traffic cop was a nice experiment, but it is time to end that crap. He may have the mental tools to do that job, but he certainly lacks the physical tools to get where he needs to be. Its a lot easier with 1/3 of the width to cover than the full width. I like his jump, he is fast to react and accelerate, but his top speed is lacking.
If you're saying he doesn't have the foot speed to play safety he definitely doesn't have it to play SAM. You need to be able to cover the full route tree as a SAM from the middle of the field which basically guarantees you have no sideline help. Depends on the coverage but a lot of times it's going to result in a one on one look. Maybe why he's not there anymore?
Quote from: theaardvark on July 07, 2026, 03:29:24 PMI think Kramdi as a SAM, helping direct traffic down low is where he excels. Trying to turn him into a FS traffic cop was a nice experiment, but it is time to end that crap. He may have the mental tools to do that job, but he certainly lacks the physical tools to get where he needs to be. Its a lot easier with 1/3 of the width to cover than the full width. I like his jump, he is fast to react and accelerate, but his top speed is lacking.
I vow the day will come once they find their next set of competent HB's they will move Holm to Safety to prolong his career. This could only come after Smith, Shay and Schmeck have established their roles as rotational starters, so could still be 2-3 years off.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 06, 2026, 11:37:52 PMFor the love of football I have no idea why Kramdi gets so much good press around here. He's horribly overrated and overstated. He plays small. He isn't a great tackler. He hasn't even been great in one on one coverage this year which was his calling card. If it wasn't for the ratio and the fact that we don't have many options at safety I think he'd be relegated to specials. Ya, I know: he punched the ball out last game. Still not impressed. Even Jake Kelly might be passing him in terms of every down usefulness.
Overstated on the negative. You have forgotten or failing to remember his many years as a reliable LB for us. Not in the best position to succeed now but if he is to be our safety for the season he needs more time to settle in imo. I personally would bring in a S if there is one available with CFL experience that is > Kramdi. For the love of football I have no idea why you rag on him so much. The ratio is part of the Canadian game, talking about it like you do brings no merit to your position on the matter imo. We know how you feel about it. It's here to stay. Canadians get a chance to play in this great league. Canadian depth players are the back bone of every club. Kramdi >>> Kelly imo. I like Kramdi and his stock is stable, I don't mind Kelly but he is like a penny stock at the moment. One good game doesn't make him a more valuable every down player. In a year or two he might be.
The biggest issue with Kramdl is he is way overpaid. Smith is a younger better option. Kramdl is a good rotational lb but hes not a safety and in recent years we've missed out on drafting everal good options at safety such as Finley and. Beauchevin
Kramdi would get snapped up pretty fast if we let him go. Plus, that would give the buyer the complete Younger book and paradigm because no d knows it better than Kramdi.
He probably would even get that high salary. I could see Ottawa highly interested.
Quote from: Tecno on July 08, 2026, 03:24:16 AMKramdi would get snapped up pretty fast if we let him go. Plus, that would give the buyer the complete Younger book and paradigm because no d knows it better than Kramdi.
He probably would even get that high salary. I could see Ottawa highly interested.
I wouldn't let him go but Pete is right here. He's a good rotational piece, quality depth and is probably useful on special teams.
I just think he's an overvalued piece. The results have been pretty mixed over the last couple years and he hasn't exactly leapt off the page this year and isn't playing SAM anymore because he didn't last year either.
There's nothing wrong with him but he's also probably not a starter on about half the defenses in the league, maybe more.
Put it to you this way: if he gets beat out at safety this year or next, which seems very plausible at this point, in not sure where you put him on the defense. Not a good sign for the player.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 08, 2026, 12:08:11 AMOverstated on the negative. You have forgotten or failing to remember his many years as a reliable LB for us. Not in the best position to succeed now but if he is to be our safety for the season he needs more time to settle in imo. I personally would bring in a S if there is one available with CFL experience that is > Kramdi. For the love of football I have no idea why you rag on him so much. The ratio is part of the Canadian game, talking about it like you do brings no merit to your position on the matter imo. We know how you feel about it. It's here to stay. Canadians get a chance to play in this great league. Canadian depth players are the back bone of every club. Kramdi >>> Kelly imo. I like Kramdi and his stock is stable, I don't mind Kelly but he is like a penny stock at the moment. One good game doesn't make him a more valuable every down player. In a year or two he might be.
The obvious solution is to make a poll using really nebulous and leading choices.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 07, 2026, 03:29:24 PMI think Kramdi as a SAM, helping direct traffic down low is where he excels. Trying to turn him into a FS traffic cop was a nice experiment, but it is time to end that crap. He may have the mental tools to do that job, but he certainly lacks the physical tools to get where he needs to be. Its a lot easier with 1/3 of the width to cover than the full width. I like his jump, he is fast to react and accelerate, but his top speed is lacking.
Undoubtedly Kramdi is more effective at SAM. Hopefully the Bombers have a comfort level that will see him play there and that there is a candidate, in waiting, to occupy the safety position.
Like SirBnG hints at, no reason he can't become STer who rotates in at SAM or for special sets. It could even be like half the snaps.
But... the problem then remains: who is the QB of the D when he's not on field. That's why he kind of retains his every down usage -- just like Biggie & BA37 were mostly every down. It's a conundrum for sure.
But he may still get the benefit of much more live FS dev time. Is 4 games enough to really see what he can do? In most situations one would say "no". The only way you yank his leash this early is if you see impediments that cannot be changed (like speed). But if that's the case, shouldn't Mafia have foreseen it? Again, Mafia isn't stupid. Doesn't make sense.
Also, FS can be a weaker player and the D still function. Historically that's where you parked your worst NAT (along with 5th REC). Let's ask ourselves, is Kramdi worse than Hecht? (my answer: no)
A lot will be answered when Allen gets off 6GIR. If I'm betting, I think Kramdi is our FS for most of the season and we re-evaulate the FS, ratio, and "QB of the D" issue in the off-season.
We may have to pick another punching bag for the next couple of months. How about one of the DL, or the 5th REC?
Quote from: Tecno on July 08, 2026, 07:30:35 AMLike SirBnG hints at, no reason he can't become STer who rotates in at SAM or for special sets. It could even be like half the snaps.
But... the problem then remains: who is the QB of the D when he's not on field. That's why he kind of retains his every down usage -- just like Biggie & BA37 were mostly every down. It's a conundrum for sure.
But he may still get the benefit of much more live FS dev time. Is 4 games enough to really see what he can do? In most situations one would say "no". The only way you yank his leash this early is if you see impediments that cannot be changed (like speed). But if that's the case, shouldn't Mafia have foreseen it? Again, Mafia isn't stupid. Doesn't make sense.
Also, FS can be a weaker player and the D still function. Historically that's where you parked your worst NAT (along with 5th REC). Let's ask ourselves, is Kramdi worse than Hecht? (my answer: no)
A lot will be answered when Allen gets off 6GIR. If I'm betting, I think Kramdi is our FS for most of the season and we re-evaulate the FS, ratio, and "QB of the D" issue in the off-season.
We may have to pick another punching bag for the next couple of months. How about one of the DL, or the 5th REC?
Some good points here. Some folks need a punching bag 🎒.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 08, 2026, 04:01:18 AMThe obvious solution is to make a poll using really nebulous and leading choices.
My polls always have good response rates and plenty of discussions. I have edited response options in the past based on suggestions from others. Like my posts, don't like em, don't look or reply. Your response shows you have little to provide to the debate other than an unneeded personal shot. A poll on the value of Kelly vs Kramdi's current value as an every down player is not required. It's not even close (at the moment imo). I think both will continue to be valuable members of this club, but Kelly has much to prove but has recently flashed his upside. Kramdi is a proven commodity.
Quote from: Tecno on July 08, 2026, 07:30:35 AMLike SirBnG hints at, no reason he can't become STer who rotates in at SAM or for special sets. It could even be like half the snaps.
But... the problem then remains: who is the QB of the D when he's not on field. That's why he kind of retains his every down usage -- just like Biggie & BA37 were mostly every down. It's a conundrum for sure.
But he may still get the benefit of much more live FS dev time. Is 4 games enough to really see what he can do? In most situations one would say "no". The only way you yank his leash this early is if you see impediments that cannot be changed (like speed). But if that's the case, shouldn't Mafia have foreseen it? Again, Mafia isn't stupid. Doesn't make sense.
Also, FS can be a weaker player and the D still function. Historically that's where you parked your worst NAT (along with 5th REC). Let's ask ourselves, is Kramdi worse than Hecht? (my answer: no)
A lot will be answered when Allen gets off 6GIR. If I'm betting, I think Kramdi is our FS for most of the season and we re-evaulate the FS, ratio, and "QB of the D" issue in the off-season.
We may have to pick another punching bag for the next couple of months. How about one of the DL, or the 5th REC?
Hecht had two or three good games and somehow had people convinced he was a legit starter...he wasn't. Holm should be the safety in an ideal world and Kramdi is a rotational LB.
Quote from: Jesse on July 07, 2026, 01:40:38 PMWe needed to play more Smith because of the OL change. I like him much better than Kyrie anyway.
I agree we should see more of Smith but don't think it has anything to do with the change on the OL. He'd give us another Canadian option if and when we want. Perhaps he'll be playing a more significant role as the season progresses.
The bigger question is trying to understand who is being rotated in and who is being rotated out on a consistent basis. Is he going in at WIL with Jones going back to MLB in those situations? Comments suggest K. Wilson was off the field more often in this game. Ayers was on the field less often as well.
Or did Smith go in at MLB with K.Wilson going off. The depth chart is next to meaningless but shows Smith at WIL.
I'm still wondering what Shay is not seeing the field and asked whether this was another bad draft choice?
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 08, 2026, 02:01:58 PMI'm still wondering what Shay is not seeing the field and asked whether this was another bad draft choice?
Seems pretty simple. Smith has beat him out and there's no role on defense for him right now. Yes, that makes it a bad draft choice.
I think we mostly saw more Smith because he's been playing pretty well. It's for sure not because we switched the OL ratio. We went with:
2 Canadian Starters on Defense
5 Canadian Starters on Offense
And although it's not specified we probably went with Willie as a naturalized player to get to 8 because he can then flip all day long with Gatkouth and Kornelson along the defensive line. I suppose you could flip him for Fletcher and then swap Griffin for Smith which is nice flexibility but probably not the primary reason for doing so (rather Smith is just a better pass option and Wilson they probably like as a run guy).
On defense can we go with Kramdl, Smith, and Lawton with Wilson as nationalized american
Quote from: Tecno on July 08, 2026, 07:30:35 AMLike SirBnG hints at, no reason he can't become STer who rotates in at SAM or for special sets. It could even be like half the snaps.
But... the problem then remains: who is the QB of the D when he's not on field. That's why he kind of retains his every down usage -- just like Biggie & BA37 were mostly every down. It's a conundrum for sure.
But he may still get the benefit of much more live FS dev time. Is 4 games enough to really see what he can do? In most situations one would say "no". The only way you yank his leash this early is if you see impediments that cannot be changed (like speed). But if that's the case, shouldn't Mafia have foreseen it? Again, Mafia isn't stupid. Doesn't make sense.
Also, FS can be a weaker player and the D still function. Historically that's where you parked your worst NAT (along with 5th REC). Let's ask ourselves, is Kramdi worse than Hecht? (my answer: no)
A lot will be answered when Allen gets off 6GIR. If I'm betting, I think Kramdi is our FS for most of the season and we re-evaulate the FS, ratio, and "QB of the D" issue in the off-season.
We may have to pick another punching bag for the next couple of months. How about one of the DL, or the 5th REC?
I maintain that Kramdi is not playing Safety in the usual sense, he's still lining up all over the field and is being used in different roles, supplemented by Kelly. If he wants to establish himself in a starting position he needs to prove himself playing the traditional Safety role or accept that he will eventually become a rotational 4th LB when they go 3 man D-line, which I noticed them doing more this last game.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 08, 2026, 05:02:49 PMIf he wants to establish himself in a starting position he needs to prove himself playing the traditional Safety role or accept that he will eventually become a rotational 4th LB when they go 3 man D-line, which I noticed them doing more this last game.
Ya, this game had the most 3 man DL / bring-3 looks of any game this season. We had been going very traditional 4 show/bring in most of the other games.
I wonder why we went so much 3? Well, at least it kinda worked this time. I think 3 is fine when you use it maybe every 4-5 passing downs. You can't overuse it like we did last season.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 08, 2026, 02:15:35 PMAnd although it's not specified we probably went with Willie as a naturalized player to get to 8 because he can then flip all day long with Gatkouth and Kornelson along the defensive line.
Interesting. I had never thought of the 8th as needing NAT spellers... The rule is written such that a DI can come in for any IMP player. Would a NA not still be an "IMP player"? As such, I think anyone can sub in for the NA, making its choice completely irrelevant.
Now, if NA requires a NAT to sub in, then 100% I would make my NA a guy who is every-down. So Big Stan (or White). Boom, no more NAT sub in issues unless he gets injured. Why make a headache for yourself making it Willie?
The whole NA thing is so stupid, and such a dumb bone they threw at CFLPA. It's a complete no-op. It changes nothing, does nothing, helps no one, won't get any more ageing vets retained, etc.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 08, 2026, 01:51:41 PMHolm should be the safety in an ideal world and Kramdi is a rotational LB.
He's super smart, but they say he's quiet / introverted. You kind of have to be a loud leader, or at least outgoing, to have that role (one would think).
Quote from: Tecno on July 09, 2026, 03:10:42 AMYa, this game had the most 3 man DL / bring-3 looks of any game this season. We had been going very traditional 4 show/bring in most of the other games.
I wonder why we went so much 3? Well, at least it kinda worked this time. I think 3 is fine when you use it maybe every 4-5 passing downs. You can't overuse it like we did last season.
Could be they went 3 D-line when Ford took over, spread 4 LB's across the field to try and corral him.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 09, 2026, 04:04:23 AMCould be they went 3 D-line when Ford took over, spread 4 LB's across the field to try and corral him.
Combination of no. Bo, and not respecting Roundtree. Hamilton really didnt use the run game all game long
Quote from: Pete on July 09, 2026, 04:48:37 AMCombination of no. Bo, and not respecting Roundtree. Hamilton really didnt use the run game all game long
Which is extremely odd given how they started, and played most of, their first game against us. Rountree galore.
Right from the start I got the impression HAM was discombobulated and was throwing the game. Very strange feeling. Maybe they had a premonition BLM was going to get killed. Or maybe they had Lemon put some money on WPG to win... the WPG win odds were 2.50
Quote from: Tecno on July 09, 2026, 03:16:59 AMHe's super smart, but they say he's quiet / introverted. You kind of have to be a loud leader, or at least outgoing, to have that role (one would think).
Both Holm & Nichols have helped direct rookies pre-snap over the past few years. They are as much of "The QB" of the secondary as Kramdi is.
Pretty easy for any safety when you have 2 vets like that beside you.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 09, 2026, 04:04:23 AMCould be they went 3 D-line when Ford took over, spread 4 LB's across the field to try and corral him.
It was 3 DL early & often. That was the plan from the get go.
And sorry for getting off topic here, but to add to the Kramdi talk - has Griffin really been an improvement over Kramdo at SAM? I really haven't heard/seen him during games that much. When Kramdi was at SAM he was regularly on the ball.
I think the whole secondary has had weak open field tackles for over a year, not just Kramdi. Kills me when a guy should be wrapped up for a small gain and they just push the arm of our guy away and run for big YACs.
I really thought Allen was to be the answer at S and keeping Kramdi at SAM would have been our best lineup. Sucks that Allen got hurt, but maybe that gives Kramdi more time to really settle into that role.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 09, 2026, 01:36:49 PMAnd sorry for getting off topic here, but to add to the Kramdi talk - has Griffin really been an improvement over Kramdo at SAM? I really haven't heard/seen him during games that much. When Kramdi was at SAM he was regularly on the ball.
I think the whole secondary has had weak open field tackles for over a year, not just Kramdi. Kills me when a guy should be wrapped up for a small gain and they just push the arm of our guy away and run for big YACs.
I really thought Allen was to be the answer at S and keeping Kramdi at SAM would have been our best lineup. Sucks that Allen got hurt, but maybe that gives Kramdi more time to really settle into that role.
Griffin is excellent, stronger against the run and good pursuit all the way to the sideline. rarely see him in pass coverage though.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 09, 2026, 01:36:49 PMAnd sorry for getting off topic here, but to add to the Kramdi talk - has Griffin really been an improvement over Kramdo at SAM? I really haven't heard/seen him during games that much. When Kramdi was at SAM he was regularly on the ball.
Griffin's not miles better at SAM. But he is better. He's faster, bigger, harder-hitting, better tackler. Seems to know where the ball is going to be, even though I'm know nothing about his IQ level. He's also good on teams.
And we often dressed him as backup SAM anyhow. So if he's gonna dress, why not start?
So we could end the FS experiment and put Kramdi back to SAM. It wouldn't be toooo much different. But it would be slightly worse. And maybe that's the plan anyhow when Allen returns.