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At least a couple or 3 good stories for the Edmonton/Winnipeg game...

1. the battle between Rankin and Oliviera,

2. Dru Brown returns to Winnipeg,

3. will the Bombers sell out another game (16th straight)

The Bombers report 30,000 plus seats are sold to date.

Ed Tait discusses these topics in his 48-Hour Primer here... (http://"http://"https://www.bluebombers.com/2026/06/23/48-hour-primer-game-3-vs-elks/"")

Although early in the season, it's an important game against a Western rival and to keep pace with the rest of the league.

Bombers should be relatively healthy assuming Nic Demski and Ontaria Wilson are ready to go.

Lots to discuss but in the meantime, Go Bombers Go!

Weatherman keeps waffling on the weather for Thurs.  As of this second, the thunderstorms predicted yesterday should hold off.  If they do, it's perfect temp & weather and I fully expect another sell-out.

Cross your fingers!

Ok, as expected Smith  is back on the R and Clark is moved to the 6 game IR. Vanterpool is moved to the reserve list. Nothing shown for Brown. Maybe there is a 1 week in transit before they have to account for him. However I would think he still collects a pay check.

I expected him to be on the reserve list so maybe it's just a paperwork delay doing that.

We have nobody on the 1 game IR. Vanterpool coming off early means his SMS would be the same if he had been on the 1 game IR. No problem with that.

Huge game against an improved western rival - losing two at home will make Wade's blood boil, just can't happen.  If the defense doesn't show marked improvement then I believe there will be changes in personnel at some spots.  You can't just trot out the "we didn't tackle well" or "we just weren't executing our gaps" message - if that is the case they need to find some players who can tackle. 

Personally I think the problems are deeper than that but I am cognizant that it is still early in the season and it can take time to gel as a team....and for whatever reason defenses have kind of sucked across the CFL.

Glad Demski and Wilson are in - hopefully they can last the game and make a difference.

I thought we might consider swapping a DL for Texada this week. It's a question whether more pressure from the DL is better for the secondary, or a better DB than Kelly is better in coverage.

I don't know that either choice was the right answer or wrong. We'll see how this plays out. If the front 7 can stop Rankin then I don't think Fajardo beats us with the passing game.

Big test not just for the players but for the strategy we use.

Defense needs a redemption game in every sense of the term. Get to Fajardo early and that should help, IMO.

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Just one depth change for the Bombers for Thursday, despite all the shuffling we saw at practice this week.

OL Micah Vanterpool goes to the reserve roster, back from injury.

New QB Dru Brown isn't listed anywhere yet.

LB Brody Clark to 6-game injured list.

Smith in for Clark is the only change.

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Jaylen Smith returns for Winnipeg Blue Bombers against Elks
by 3Down Staff  June 24, 2026

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have only made one change to their roster ahead of Thursday night's game against the Edmonton Elks. The team issued its official depth chart on Wednesday morning.

Jaylen Smith has been activated from the one-game injured list after sitting out in Week 2 due to a head injury. He recorded one special teams tackle during the team's season-opening win over the Calgary Stampeders in Week 1.

The five-foot-ten, 228-pound defender was a second-round pick in the 2025 CFL Draft out of the University of North Texas. He made three defensive tackles and 22 special teams tackles as a rookie, finishing second on the team and tied for fourth league-wide in special teams tackles.

In a corresponding move, the team has placed Canadian linebacker Brody Clark on the six-game injured list. The rookie out of York University was a non-participant in practice this week due to a thigh injury and was listed as doubtful. The 24-year-old native of Delta, B.C. made three special teams tackles over two regular-season games to start the year.

Dru Brown, who was acquired from the Ottawa Redblacks via trade on Tuesday, will not dress for the game. He is not listed on Winnipeg's official roster, which a team spokesperson indicated is because he remains in transit.

Offensive lineman Micah Vanterpool, who was previously on the six-game injured list, has been moved to the reserve roster. Other players who remain on the six-game injured list include receiver Kevens Clercius, defensive linemen De'Shaan Dixon and Tanner Schmekel, linebackers Lane Novak, Jovan Santos-Knox, and Jaiden Woodbey, and defensive backs Cam Allen and Ethan Ball.

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (1-1) will host the Edmonton Elks (2-0) at Princess Auto Stadium on Thursday, June 25 with kickoff scheduled for 8:30 p.m. EDT. The Elks are coming off an overtime win over the Montreal Alouettes, while the Blue Bombers were on bye.

The weather forecast in Winnipeg calls for a high of 25 degrees and sun. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on 880 CHED in Edmonton or 680 CJOB in Winnipeg.

https://3downnation.com/2026/06/24/jaylen-smith-returns-for-winnipeg-blue-bombers-against-elks/

Brock Mogensen to replace Nick Anderson for Edmonton Elks
by 3Down Staff  June 24, 2026

The Edmonton Elks will start Brock Mogensen at middle linebacker when they take on the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on Thursday night. They released their depth chart on Wednesday.

The native of Farmington, Minn. dressed for 14 regular-season games as a CFL rookie in 2025, making 40 defensive tackles, five special teams tackles, one interception, and one forced fumble. Mogensen was a collegiate standout at the University of South Dakota, where he was named the Missouri Valley Football Conference Defensive Player of the Year in 2023.

Nick Anderson started the team's first two regular-season games at middle linebacker, recording 12 defensive tackles and one special teams tackle. The 26-year-old, who was named All-CFL and the league's Most Outstanding Rookie in 2024, didn't practice this week due to a hamstring injury and has been moved to the six-game injured list.

The Elks have made two other roster changes for Thursday with Carter Kettyle being added to the active roster in place of Francis Bemiy, and Bradley Hladik taking over long-snapping duties from Luke Burton-Krahn.

Kettyle was the team's third-round pick in the 2026 CFL Draft out of the University of Alberta. The 22-year-old native of Grande Prairie, Alta. caught 101 passes for 1,695 yards and 17 touchdowns over 25 collegiate games with the Golden Bears, earning a first-team U Sports All-Canadian selection in 2025. He will dress in a depth role behind Kaion Julien-Grant.

Hladik spent the first two games of the regular-season on Edmonton's practice roster. Burton-Krahn has been moved to the six-game injured list with an Achilles injury.

Others still on Edmonton's six-game injured list include offensive linemen Brett Boyko and Coulter Woodmansey, defensive linemen Brandon Barlow, Silas Hubert, and Darien Newell, linebacker Eteva Mauga-Clements, and defensive backs Royce Metchie and Benjamin Sangmuah.

Joe Robustelli, a free-agent addition at receiver, remains on the one-game injured list. He was a non-participant in practice this week due to a hamstring injury.

The Edmonton Elks (2-0) will visit the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (1-1) at Princess Auto Stadium on Thursday, June 25 with kickoff scheduled for 8:30 p.m. EDT. The Elks are coming off an overtime win over the Montreal Alouettes, while the Blue Bombers were on bye.

The weather forecast in Winnipeg calls for a high of 25 degrees and sun. The game will be broadcast on TSN in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on 880 CHED in Edmonton or 680 CJOB in Winnipeg.

https://3downnation.com/2026/06/24/brock-mogensen-to-replace-nick-anderson-for-edmonton-elks/

I think our D has to key on Rankin, can't let him run wild...Won't be easy as we haven't look that good against the run and even worse if we let Fajardo play pitch and catch down the field....Our offence can get it done if we keep the Elks off the board....We shall see

2 weeks ago some guy named Rountree ran rampant on us. Now we face Rankin who, tbh, is the only thing on their depth chart that scares me (other than being dink-dunked across the field ala T-Hare by CoFaj).

There ought to have been significant and systematic changes to the D to ensure we can halt their conversion rate. You gotta think that was worked on over a bye week.

If the Hamilton game happens again with no effort shown to improve, pitchforks will come out. If the defense performs even reasonably well though we can chalk the other week up to a bad game and I can un-twist my knotted up knickers.

"I don't blame people for their mistakes, but I do ask that they pay for them"
- John Hammond, Founder and CEO, InGen Corp.

The game will be sold out by the morning. Not alot of tix left.

They will miss Anderson at LB

I want to see more out of Gatkouth this game.  Kongbo, who had 2 years of doing nothing of note, is starting to produce so far in 2026.  And Kongbo was a lower DP, right -- so Gatkouth should be far better.  He hasn't done anything yet.

Reese made a big play last game.  Fletcher didn't do much.  Didn't even notice Jenkins.  It can't just be all Willie & Ceresna.  If anything, Ceresna drawing a double team most snaps should allow the junior guys to get home.

Watch out for that patented Cody wheel out escape... plan for the wheel and tackle him where he's going to be, not where he is.  Blow him up!

I wish this game was away.  I noticed the D had real trouble getting things setup right with the big home crowd noise.  I think they may instantly be better if playing in a quiet environment.

Of course, they have to learn to function in our noise, but maybe one step at a time.  Maybe MOS needs to be piping in the crowd noise when the D is practicing...

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:56:53 AMI wish this game was away.  I noticed the D had real trouble getting things setup right with the big home crowd noise.  I think they may instantly be better if playing in a quiet environment.

Of course, they have to learn to function in our noise, but maybe one step at a time.  Maybe MOS needs to be piping in the crowd noise when the D is practicing...

First, the last home game was pretty quiet for our crowd because it was very clear they weren't going to get off then field anyway. And they didn't have trouble hearing one another, they had trouble reading out the assignment based on the routes they were seeing. It was a "who does what when" problem, not a "what are we doing" one.

Very different.

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:54:13 AMI want to see more out of Gatkouth this game.  Kongbo, who had 2 years of doing nothing of note, is starting to produce so far in 2026.  And Kongbo was a lower DP, right -- so Gatkouth should be far better.  He hasn't done anything yet.

Reese made a big play last game.  Fletcher didn't do much.  Didn't even notice Jenkins.  It can't just be all Willie & Ceresna.  If anything, Ceresna drawing a double team most snaps should allow the junior guys to get home.

Watch out for that patented Cody wheel out escape... plan for the wheel and tackle him where he's going to be, not where he is.  Blow him up!

Kongbo is like a 6 year vet, I hope he's doing better than a raw rookie getting a handful of rotational snaps.

Quote from: Jesse on June 25, 2026, 02:17:35 AMKongbo is like a 6 year vet, I hope he's doing better than a raw rookie getting a handful of rotational snaps.

Had to look it up... Kongbo was 1RDP!  Wow, I had forgotten that.  '19 draft.  Because he fizzled out when here I'd call that a bit of a wasted pick.  Yikes.

He was really looking like that would be it for him in the CFL after a few years of producing nada.  If he's finally making hay, good for him.  Good timing.

Man, I really hope Gatkouth turns out better than Kongbo.  Something more like a Betts, please.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 25, 2026, 02:02:32 AMFirst, the last home game was pretty quiet for our crowd because it was very clear they weren't going to get off then field anyway.

Maybe 2nd & 3rd Q.  But not to start the game, when we stopped them on their first drive, and were up most of the Q.  No excuse for low noise then.  And we got within 8 a couple of times late in the game, and the crowd got REALLY loud -- much louder than the rest of the night.  As I said in GDT, once the nambypamby fans left the real fans let 'er rip.  ;)

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 25, 2026, 02:02:32 AMAnd they didn't have trouble hearing one another, they had trouble reading out the assignment based on the routes they were seeing. It was a "who does what when" problem, not a "what are we doing" one.

I don't know why all that pointing and shouting of "you go here", "you take that SB", would be any easier in the noise.  I think the noise did cause problems because a) you can see it on TV (or in stadium), and b) this is the first time many of those guys had to experience that.  Sure, Moxey had heard it before, but never had to operate in it.  And Williams is raw green.

Aside: I find it interesting the DL and LB/DB don't communicate AT ALL on these passing downs.  The LB/DBs do comm between each other like crazy.  But I would have thought front 4 would have to comms with other-8 to some degree?  Maybe it's all determined way in advance by the playcall.  Weird.

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 02:20:39 AMHad to look it up... Kongbo was 1RDP!  Wow, I had forgotten that.  '19 draft.  Because he fizzled out when here I'd call that a bit of a wasted pick.  Yikes.

I don't think that's an accurate assessment at all.

He was a solid developmental piece who got to learn form the likes of Jefferson and Jeffcoat, helping the team win back-to-back championships. He also managed to get some looks from both the 49ers and then the Broncos during that time. He's since put up respectable numbers (https://www.cfl.ca/players/jonathan-kongbo/164863/) and is off to a good start this season with the Argos.

It's too bad the Bombers couldn't have found a way to retain him; he's a good NAT. I wouldn't be mad to have him on the D-line right now as a depth/rotational piece.

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:54:13 AMI want to see more out of Gatkouth this game.  Kongbo, who had 2 years of doing nothing of note, is starting to produce so far in 2026.  And Kongbo was a lower DP, right -- so Gatkouth should be far better.  He hasn't done anything yet.

Reese made a big play last game.  Fletcher didn't do much.  Didn't even notice Jenkins.  It can't just be all Willie & Ceresna.  If anything, Ceresna drawing a double team most snaps should allow the junior guys to get home.

Watch out for that patented Cody wheel out escape... plan for the wheel and tackle him where he's going to be, not where he is.  Blow him up!

We need to see something from some of the newbies on the DL. At least some of the stops on Rankin have to be made by them. If he's getting past the LOS to the LB's or beyond, it will be a long game.

Could be superb game day conditions! Cloudy in evening so no sun in my face.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 24, 2026, 05:22:00 PMDefense needs a redemption game in every sense of the term. Get to Fajardo early and that should help, IMO.

It's time for the defence to defeat the Fajardo spin move.

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Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 02:25:43 AMMaybe 2nd & 3rd Q.  But not to start the game, when we stopped them on their first drive, and were up most of the Q.  No excuse for low noise then.  And we got within 8 a couple of times late in the game, and the crowd got REALLY loud -- much louder than the rest of the night.  As I said in GDT, once the nambypamby fans left the real fans let 'er rip.  ;)

I don't know why all that pointing and shouting of "you go here", "you take that SB", would be any easier in the noise.  I think the noise did cause problems because a) you can see it on TV (or in stadium), and b) this is the first time many of those guys had to experience that.  Sure, Moxey had heard it before, but never had to operate in it.  And Williams is raw green.

Aside: I find it interesting the DL and LB/DB don't communicate AT ALL on these passing downs.  The LB/DBs do comm between each other like crazy.  But I would have thought front 4 would have to comms with other-8 to some degree?  Maybe it's all determined way in advance by the playcall.  Weird.

Coordinator send in the call. It's relayed. From there: defensive line doesn't need the whole coverage call. They need alignment and their own thing, gaps, stunts, pass-rush contain, etc. Linebackers usually set the front strength and identify the MLB on any given play, Younger changes it a bunch, and alerts for blitzes and who's in behind it.. The secondary (including the SAM in the CFL, usually) are constantly talking and there's a numbering off of receivers usually or some way of identifying them. Usually your safety helps the secondary a ton (where coaches say Kramdi is helpful) because they see the formations most clearly usually and can tell everyone where the help is or isn't based on the play call.

That's all relatively easy at the pro level.

The hard part is adjusting to motion and the exact formation in real time based on the play call. The whole unit needs to do that at once. It's basically 12 guys needing to all read the same way to information changing in front of them using the play call they're in as the operating system logic for that play. When you see guys yelling or directing, it's almost never that they don't know the context/play it's that they are clarifying or confused on what to do based on the look or what happened.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 25, 2026, 01:19:33 PMWe need to see something from some of the newbies on the DL. At least some of the stops on Rankin have to be made by them. If he's getting past the LOS to the LB's or beyond, it will be a long game.

Correct Kongbo didn't fizzle out in Wpg. he left 2 separate times to pursue NFL offers, after the 2019 season and again after 2021. When he returned to the league in 2023 he signed with the Lions.

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:54:13 AMI want to see more out of Gatkouth this game.  Kongbo, who had 2 years of doing nothing of note, is starting to produce so far in 2026.  And Kongbo was a lower DP, right -- so Gatkouth should be far better.  He hasn't done anything yet.

Reese made a big play last game.  Fletcher didn't do much.  Didn't even notice Jenkins.  It can't just be all Willie & Ceresna.  If anything, Ceresna drawing a double team most snaps should allow the junior guys to get home.

Watch out for that patented Cody wheel out escape... plan for the wheel and tackle him where he's going to be, not where he is.  Blow him up!

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:54:13 AMI want to see more out of Gatkouth this game.  Kongbo, who had 2 years of doing nothing of note, is starting to produce so far in 2026.  And Kongbo was a lower DP, right -- so Gatkouth should be far better.  He hasn't done anything yet.

Reese made a big play last game.  Fletcher didn't do much.  Didn't even notice Jenkins.  It can't just be all Willie & Ceresna.  If anything, Ceresna drawing a double team most snaps should allow the junior guys to get home.

Nobody in Sask. complaining about Vaughters or Devin Adams performance, they seem to be getting it done with mostly a 4 man front.  So is it the personell or is it the scheme that's not functioning well in Wpg?

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 25, 2026, 04:01:45 PMNobody in Sask. complaining about Vaughters or Devin Adams performance, they seem to be getting it done with mostly a 4 man front.  So is it the personell or is it the scheme that's not functioning well in Wpg?

Vaughters is actually effective if you let him pass rush. Who knew?

I predict that Fajardo is held to about 200 yards passing. Their run game held to about 100 yards combined.

Bombers win 27 - 14 today.

Oliveria rushes for 110 yards.

You heard it here 1st. :)

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 25, 2026, 04:01:45 PMNobody in Sask. complaining about Vaughters or Devin Adams performance, they seem to be getting it done with mostly a 4 man front.  So is it the personell or is it the scheme that's not functioning well in Wpg?

It's the scheme. We literally do not value sacks to the point of it being almost discouraged. Better to be in exactly the right spot so Younger can call some kind of wild, layered coverage in behind than getting up field and laying the hurt. We are a unit that doesn't attack by choice, not a unit that can't. It's exactly why they can tell you with a straight face that Thomas was exceptional last year and Willie J is a perfect fit for the defense. They are technically playing exactly how JY wants them to.

For those that like JY, this is what you're signing up for.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 25, 2026, 04:31:27 PMI predict that Fajardo is held to about 200 yards passing. Their run game held to about 100 yards combined.

Bombers win 27 - 14 today.

Oliveria rushes for 110 yards.

You heard it here 1st. :)

I predict they get to our D, but we win, because our D sucks.

Rankin rushes for more than Brady, but we win a squeaker 36-33.  Sergio being the hero..again.

Our Defense may suck but our offense is better all around, so we should win this one, crowd noise with the assist.

I have a condo board meeting to attend to, who schedules these things? Bah. I'll be watching in the background.

Enjoy the game everyone! Go Blue!

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 25, 2026, 04:01:45 PMNobody in Sask. complaining about Vaughters or Devin Adams performance, they seem to be getting it done with mostly a 4 man front.  So is it the personell or is it the scheme that's not functioning well in Wpg?

Adams got demoted to the practice roster.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 25, 2026, 05:00:18 PMIt's the scheme. We literally do not value sacks to the point of it being almost discouraged. Better to be in exactly the right spot so Younger can call some kind of wild, layered coverage in behind than getting up field and laying the hurt. We are a unit that doesn't attack by choice, not a unit that can't. It's exactly why they can tell you with a straight face that Thomas was exceptional last year and Willie J is a perfect fit for the defense. They are technically playing exactly how JY wants them to.

For those that like JY, this is what you're signing up for.

The narrative that we don't value sacks or that they would be discouraged is as an absurd take as I have seen.  No defense ever would have that as a game plan, full stop.

We brought in Ceresna for this exact reason and paid a pretty penny.  We got home often game 1 (4 times).

Fact is that we attack at times, we blitz when appropriate.

Another opinion that is lacking factual backing imo.

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 25, 2026, 07:03:54 PMThe narrative that we don't value sacks or that they would be discouraged is as an absurd take as I have seen.  No defense ever would have that as a game plan, full stop.

We brought in Ceresna for this exact reason and paid a pretty penny.  We got home often game 1 (4 times).

Fact is that we attack at times, we blitz when appropriate.

Another opinion that is lacking factual backing imo.

Respectfully, this is one of those times where you just don't know what you don't know and you're not aware that don't know it. I'm talking about the defensive line play, roles and responsibilities. Not pressure from elsewhere. It's in the context of Vaughters but not only that.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 25, 2026, 07:15:34 PMRespectfully, this is one of those times where you just don't know what you don't know and you're not aware that don't know it. I'm talking about the defensive line play, roles and responsibilities. Not pressure from elsewhere. It's in the context of Vaughters but not only that.

Respectfully the narrative that we don't value sacks or that they would be discouraged is as an absurd take as I have seen.  No defense ever would have that as a game plan, full stop.  Now, before, anywhere.

Your reply is a wee bit of a tounge twister there.  I know what I know lol.

We will go after Cody today, that bugger will twist and shout his way to freedom at times.  Rankin will make things very difficult for our DL and LBs.

Likely get a sack or two.  I would focus on run D and giving Cody as complex looks as possible to limit the short and mid routes.  Not to worried about the deep ball today.

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 25, 2026, 07:24:13 PMRespectfully the narrative that we don't value sacks or that they would be discouraged is as an absurd take as I have seen.  No defense ever would have that as a game plan, full stop.  Now, before, anywhere.

Your reply is a wee bit of a tounge twister there.

I said it's almost discouraged, but sacks are de-prioritized to pretty significantly. JY values controlled, gap responsible defensive line play and asks a ton more than what would be typical in run defense across all downs and situations. That really is how it is. You can choose to believe if the sun comes up in the morning or not. Have someone else explain it if you like.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 25, 2026, 07:28:51 PMI said it's almost discouraged, but sacks are de-prioritized to pretty significantly. JY values controlled, gap responsible defensive line play and asks a ton more than what would be typical in run defense across all downs and situations. That really is how it is. You can choose to believe if the sun comes up in the morning or not. Have someone else explain it if you like.

You said we don't value sacks.  Full stop incorrect.

Even the thought or suggestion that sacks are discourged is absurd.

We don't deprioritize sacks.  Opinions are welcome, usually more valid when based on facts imo. 
Another wild random wild point there 🌞 lol

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 25, 2026, 07:32:18 PMYou said we don't value sacks.  Full stop incorrect.

Even the thought or suggestion that sacks are discourged is absurd.

We don't deprioritize sacks.  Opinions are welcome, usually more valid when based on facts imo. 
Another wild random wild point there 🌞 lol

We have dead last in sacks each year under Jordan Younger. So you can admit it's not something he prioritizes or you have to admit that we are very bad at it.

Since the focus has been on the defense and I'll be watching them closely tonight, very little talk on the offense.

Would love to see sustained drives and really spreading the ball around. It's been fun this year to watch Zach seem a little more like his 2023ish self, running around and making plays and mostly smart decisions. I hope that continues.

Quote from: gobombersgo on June 25, 2026, 06:32:35 PMAdams got demoted to the practice roster.

So what does that tell us?  As I said the Riders seem to be happy with him on a much more aggressive D-line.

O'Shea made some comments about playing young in the last games. Inexperience for some players showed. Over enthusiasm left gaps in discipline.

The newbies have had time to better understand it's a team game and adjust to their responsibilities at the pro level.

We should see a much better outing from them tonight. A win is a bonus but we have to play smarter.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 25, 2026, 08:56:27 PMO'Shea made some comments about playing young in the last games. Inexperience for some players showed. Over enthusiasm left gaps in discipline.

The newbies have had time to better understand it's a team game and adjust to their responsibilities at the pro level.

We should see a much better outing from them tonight. A win is a bonus but we have to play smarter.

Big game but I'm confident they've learned enough from their mistakes to win this game. Next up in Hamilton so they have much to straighten out before that re-match.

Quote from: Jesse on June 25, 2026, 07:39:53 PMWe have dead last in sacks each year under Jordan Younger. So you can admit it's not something he prioritizes or you have to admit that we are very bad at it.

We've been bad at getting sacks since Jackson Jeffcoat retired. He's gone, and Willie is getting tired.

I watched the last game first half, kept track... the bombers didn't go with three d lineman once.

They blitzed seven times with time left in the second quarter.

These current players are not good at getting pressure.

Neufeld out for personal matter.
Elsbury switches to RG, Eli moves to Center, Vibert 6th man, Vanderpool sits.

Quote from: gobombersgo on June 25, 2026, 06:32:35 PMAdams got demoted to the practice roster.

And vaughters isn't really doing much more than he did for us to start last season. Recall he was making plays here early in the season. He looked like the next big thing for a while.

Turns out he's just a solid middling player, and we clearly wanted something different or just couldn't afford it.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 25, 2026, 11:51:38 PMNeufeld out for personal matter.
Elsbury switches to RG, Eli moves to Center, Vibert 6th man, Vanderpool sits.

Where'd you see this? If so, will make it harder on us tonight

Anyone not here is missing out! Absolutely perfect temp for football. A couple of rain drops here and there. They now have changed forecast to big rain before 9. Lol

Well, at least they always lie in the direction that helps us sell tickets!

Did we sell out tonight? Tail gate was really busy

Quote from: Tecno on June 26, 2026, 12:27:48 AMWhere'd you see this? If so, will make it harder on us tonight

https://www.facebook.com/share/1CwWL6TZLT/

o line looking porous on first series

wide open.

d not even ready to lineup

It's going to be a looooooong game, I'm afraid Bomber fans.

defence looking not improved at all

3 plays and edmonton moved 60 yards

for those watching on tv - i am at the game and the defence looks like it is still on bye ...

Porous O line AND a porous D, not a good combination.

This drive started at the Edmonton 10 yard line, 100 yard drive for a TD.

hey younger, tip of the day, the Elks are either going to give the ball to Rankin or pass it to Mack....you only have to worry about 2 players in your 'system'. Our offense promptly lost 10 yards and punted while our dfefense lets them march 100 yards down the field. What a joke of an offense. What a total joke of a defense, we're done this year!!!

100 yards with ease

guys and gals - it looked terrible in person

maybe some of the worst domination i have seen

Defence continues to look pathetic. Could be a long night

watched a lot of cfl over the years and that defence was one of the worst

still time to make adjustments

I think Edm only had 2 second downs in that drive maybe just 1. Yep our D just has to communicate more LOL.

Quote from: Horseman on June 26, 2026, 12:48:02 AMThis drive started at the Edmonton 10 yard line, 100 yard drive for a TD.

The worst part is every single thing edm tried to do on o, every play, was a success. It's like we weren't there

Haha, now we run with Brady and the unit can't even get 5

use that daniel's guy!!!

Well ***!

bad teams give up plays like that

This is very quickly getting out of hand.

Hard to script a worse start to the game. It's not over yet but it's heading in that direction pretty quick

Is Brady a serious player? Is the ol. Even if he doesn't fumble that play wasn't going anywhere.

Remember the esf...

What was that 2 fumbles in three plays, Demski's was a fumble missed call.

can't discount that tackle by wilson

Embarrassing.  Kind of glad I stayed home (I don't go to Thursday games as I like to be awake on Fridays at work..I hate the Thursday games before July..dumb).

atta boy brady, cough the ball up, turn it over when we're in scoring position. Totally over paid, and totally totally over rated.

was good hold there

credit to wilson for the tackle and the d for holding to 3

BOO dropped that before Holm got his hand in there

Even worse than Nield coughing up a sure td last week.

We're the 2024 elks now

Maybe Brady should lay off the pawdcasts & commercials and concentrate on his game a bit more.  I love what he does but that's not his main job. His yards are down and he needs to protect the ball and be the guy for us Rankin is for Edm.

How many fumbles can we cram into one quarter?

sergio gotta make that

just a bad team at this point

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 01:06:51 AMsergio gotta make that

just a bad team at this point

About a rough a first quarter as you can imagine.

Where's the leaders in the bench walking up and down or smacking everyone in the head? Everyone is letting everyone down. Still asleep from the holiday margaritas

Watch them drive the field again.

1st and 10 at their own 5 and ceresna not on the field

not sure how it looks on tv but you can see this defence just isn't ready for the play. 

they don't know what to do

No one's serious. Mos just says he let's the guys pep talk themselves, just hands off, let them slip into total suckage.

Brady is one tenth of rankin right now. Zach is one tenth of Cody. White a tenth of mack. Condell a tenth of whoever their oc is.

Sad

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 01:00:36 AMwas good hold there

credit to wilson for the tackle and the d for holding to 3

Wilson straight to the locker room after the tackle though.

I think the Edmonton coach might challenge that one.

risky play by the elks to go for it

they lose

rookie mistake

Like, the 4th fumble..?

Are these guys coached at all?  Don't know how to tackle, don't know how to secure the ball.

4 fumbles in 15 minutes is a sign of a poorly coached team to me

Kelly is not a good player

rankin is very very good

D can't handle Rankin or Fajardo

Someone needs to get fired tomorrow

off side Blue

UNWATCHABLE.

THIS TEAM STINKS.

Quote from: Horseman on June 26, 2026, 01:22:47 AMD can't handle Rankin or Fajardo

The D has been doing relatively fine today. The O hasn't been doing their part.

Quote from: BlueInCgy on June 26, 2026, 01:22:58 AMSomeone needs to get fired tomorrow

And someone means JY.

he was in by a mile ??

In season firings don't happen on an Osh team. He'll roll with this group to a 1-17 record unless Walter's or Miller step in.

That was a TD

Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2026, 01:24:07 AMThe D has been doing relatively fine today. The O hasn't been doing their part.

Two hundred yard drives given up is good?

it wasn't even close that's a TD

how do the officials miss that. 


legit worried about the integrity of the game

Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2026, 01:24:07 AMThe D has been doing relatively fine today. The O hasn't been doing their part.

Okay, what does Fajardo have 3 incomplete passes this game, but yeah the D is doing awesome.

offense is turning the ball over

need some tommy in this game

Quote from: BlueInCgy on June 26, 2026, 01:25:35 AMTwo hundred yard drives given up is good?

10 of the 17 points were off offensive fumbles.

It's been a long time since the team was this bad.

Feel bad for fans that pay to see this sad sack team.

Quote from: markf on June 26, 2026, 01:30:48 AMIt's been a long time since the team was this bad.

OSH says the boys just need to communicate better.

Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2026, 01:30:06 AM10 of the 17 points were off offensive fumbles.

Doesn't change the fact that they've given up 100 yards rushing and two full field drives.

Elks 1st 2 drives were for 100+ yards. I don't know we can take credit for them being stopped on the 1 yard line. Receiver bobbled the ball early.

Bombers, lose Neufeld as a late scratch? Now we don't have a back up OL

1. 4 fumbles
2. missed fg
3. Wilson nicked maybe concussion protocol and could be back?
4. Smith and Ayers seeing the field often. Ayers makes a big play on Rankin.
5. Daniels catching passes but lost an important fumble.
6. Jenkins, Fletcher, Reese and Ceresna have been invisible.


I've noticed a few DL like Jenkins taking an inside / shortest route to Rankin leaving the flat open for a big Rankin run. Same play Williams seemed to be doing the same thing.

Ok. I can't tell who Smith is replacing when he's on. Just a guess but Ayers probably replaces a DE when he's in?

Two weeks off and relatively healthy but when have we seen the Bombers fumble 4 times before half time?

Oliveria's fumble cost us 3 points against but also lost opportunity to score on offence.

It's possible this game is over at half time.  Hamilton must be licking their chops. Yikes.

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 01:06:51 AMsergio gotta make that

just a bad team at this point

bad team

And now Catillo is Sh**ting the bed.

Quote from: Tecno on June 26, 2026, 12:57:57 AMIs Brady a serious player? Is the ol. Even if he doesn't fumble that play wasn't going anywhere.

Remember the esf...

He's not even an average back. Totally over rated, and totally totally over paid.

Good teams don't shoot themselves in the foot like the Bombers continue to do. over and over and over again. 2026 is going to be a long, long year.

Flashbacks to Tim Burke era

Quote from: Horseman on June 26, 2026, 01:36:13 AMAnd now Catillo is Sh**ting the bed.

What a collective group of misfits. Embarassing actually. Shameful and embarassing. Aside from Ottawa, I'm not picking the Bombers to win another game this year, they will be bottom dwellers with this group.

WE might be the only team that misses the playoffs this year if we don't start playing football.

Another Elk catch, but our D is doing Okay alright.

Don't try too hard Willie. Geez

Elks first punt of the game.

Whoa.  A defensive stop.  Who'd have thunk it

Quote from: Horseman on June 26, 2026, 01:41:56 AMElks first punt of the game.

5 fumbles in first half

5th fumble...

ForTheWTF (stole that but I feel it's appropriate tonight)

Quote from: Sway on June 26, 2026, 01:41:14 AMDon't try too hard Willie. Geez

Yeah, I saw him jogging as well.

Collaros is getting skittish.

officials having a tough night

zach doesn't have it this game, I suggest a change up at QB in the 2nd half (wishful thinking).

Quote from: markf on June 26, 2026, 01:44:50 AMCollaros is getting skittish.

I would be too with that lack of protection.  We need another trade for a real oline 

Getting close to Castillo shank range

I was expecting the Bomber to lose this game but I am not expecting them to be this bad.

Quote from: tlf on June 26, 2026, 01:46:37 AMI would be too with that lack of protection.  We need another trade for a real oline 

Broxton signing was supposed to fix the online. Guess it didn't.

Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 26, 2026, 01:48:27 AMI was expecting the Bomber to lose this game but I am not expecting them to be this bad.

It should be worse

Nice route by White

Boy we needed that one, 10 points down now, We don't deserve to be this close to Edmonton.

Quote from: markf on June 26, 2026, 01:48:39 AMBroxton signing was supposed to fix the online. Guess it didn't.

2 changes to the OL right before the game today.

fumbles and missed field goals


that was a good drive

Quote from: Horseman on June 26, 2026, 01:50:17 AMBoy we needed that one, 10 points down now, We don't deserve to be this close to Edmonton.

Edmonton also hasn't looked unbeatable. We've had multiple unforced fumbles. Clean up our own mistakes and we're not in this position.

Pretty sure we had a receiver 5 yards offside on that td, but I'll take it. We needed that badly

Score flatters us. Amazing we're only down by 10

Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2026, 01:51:48 AMEdmonton also hasn't looked unbeatable. We've had multiple unforced fumbles. Clean up our own mistakes and we're not in this position.

They still have a job to do and aren't doing it. I don't believe in excuses. I bet Osh doesn't either.

If Castillo had made those 2 FG's the score could be 17 - 13.

Quote from: tlf on June 26, 2026, 01:54:20 AMThey still have a job to do and aren't doing it. I don't believe in excuses. I bet Osh doesn't either.

No excuses. Just saying Edmonton hasn't done anything special. We're our own worst enemy right now.

Quote from: bunker on June 26, 2026, 01:52:03 AMScore flatters us. Amazing we're only down by 10

Yep can't play much worse, I think they come back in the second, if the defence can play better they have a chance, the score is still close and that's all that matters.

Quote from: BlueInCgy on June 26, 2026, 01:33:41 AMDoesn't change the fact that they've given up 100 yards rushing and two full field drives.

Only one of which led to points.

Yards don't count on the score board. If the offence had held onto the ball and Sergio makes his usual kicks, this is a very different game. Defence has kept us in the game by forcing a turn over and holding them to 3 on the fumble return.

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers announce the following roster changes for tonight's game versus Edmonton.

 

    National offensive lineman Ethan Vibert has been added from the practice roster
    National offensive lineman Pat Neufeld has been moved to the reserve list  (NFR – Personal Matter)
    National offensive lineman Tui Eli will now start at centre
    American offensive lineman Tyler Elsbury will now start at right guard

Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2026, 02:00:31 AMOnly one of which led to points.

Yards don't count on the score board. If the offence had held onto the ball and Sergio makes his usual kicks, this is a very different game. Defence has kept us in the game by forcing a turn over and holding them to 3 on the fumble return.

Rankins averaging over 9 yards a carry.  The only way that's considered good defense is if you're JY's mom.

this singer is pretty good.  easy to listen to

They have to try and go with 3 IP receivers somehow. It looks like the second half is White and Demski, not good

Quote from: Horseman on June 26, 2026, 01:43:14 AMYeah, I saw him jogging as well.

It's time we parted ways with this guy, go loaf somewhere else

Should have left elsbury where he knows how to play and dress vant in lg.

Could get the ratio back with coorcoran starting and white takes 25 snaps like he did in ham

Our ol has been hot garbage

Time for Zach to stand up and show he can still lead the team, it's now or never.

Quote from: BlueInCgy on June 26, 2026, 02:02:44 AMRankins averaging over 9 yards a carry.  The only way that's considered good defense is if you're JY's mom.

Rankin is going to get yards.  They've only scored 7 points that weren't aided by Winnipeg turnovers. At the end of the day, points are the only thing that matters.

ROUGE!

Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2026, 01:50:46 AM2 changes to the OL right before the game today.

Good point you're right.

ceresna limping off the field

get a stop on defence then 2 and out

All they needed was a first down to continue the drive, they needed 4 yds, Zach hucks the ball 40 yds., incomplete.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 02:20:33 AMAll they needed was a first down to continue the drive, they neededn 4 yds, Zach hucks the ball 40 yds.

We gotta go for it sometimes

got lucky with the punt. 

need points

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 02:16:04 AMceresna limping off the field

to the locker room

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 02:23:22 AMto the locker room

And Wilson has been ruled out for the game.

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 02:16:04 AMceresna limping off the field

uh-oh.

bad team

We suck

...6

Wasn't that helmet to helmet on Collaros?

return the favour

griffin playing ok

Phew...

Starting to think this game is sponsored by Astroglide

Jesus ******* Christmas.

My dog just jumped on the remote and changed the channel LOL good dog...i'll get her a treat.

cobb n corcoran

are they really primetime players ??

Quote from: tlf on June 26, 2026, 02:28:57 AMMy dog just jumped on the remote and changed the channel LOL good dog...i'll get her a treat.

😂

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 02:30:16 AMcobb n corcoran

are they really primetime players ??

Who else can replace them?

Nah we gotta get singer or fredericksen in the lineup asap

fair to say the offense, defense and special teams have all had terrible moments

sign of a bad team - poorly coached

This is why we got Dru Brown. By Game 10(?) Zach will have taken a huge pounding and we'll need him.  Elgersma isn't ready to be a starter yet.

defense in second half has showed up so far

Willy stepping up.

O has to do something now. To be fair our o-line has been getting dominated so im not super optimistic.

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 02:32:39 AMfair to say the offense, defense and special teams have all had terrible moments

sign of a bad team - poorly coached

Osh is a great coach..Condell is new here and gets a bit of grace.  Younger can go any minute please.

injuries piling up

Don't forget OSH still has Hogan on staff, another one that shouldn't be coaching

No yards, not called.

run the ball

We keep getting opportunities to take this game over and just falling on our face each time.

We're not out of it, but it sure feels like it.  We used to be good at 4th quarter comebacks..I'm hanging onto that hope.

Is it me or is the crowd quiet tonight? Not much to cheer about tho.  Perhaps just the way the tv is showing it.

faj pick 6 please

Oh..theres the crowd..nice!

Perkins is fighting for his job.

Perkins!! Nice run!

would be interesting to see edmonton offensive numbers this half

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 02:57:05 AMwould be interesting to see edmonton offensive numbers this half

I can tell you Rankin has 11 yards

Why no penalty for punching the Bomber ball carrier? Perkins?

Ref was right there. Guy took a swing at Perkins

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 02:57:05 AMwould be interesting to see edmonton offensive numbers this half

48 yards in the 3rd

Zach, Brown, Perkins. I like that.  Where does ELgersma go? Conundrum.

Time for a pick 6

Dline stepping up! Crowd is going.  Momentum is ours.  Don't lose it!

Can't even hear TSN.  Great job by the crowd!

Nice holding on that Elks 1st down.

Zach has to sustain another drive that ends in points.

zach with a not great throw

not a great punt

that was a bad series all around

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 03:10:31 AMzach with a not great throw

He was covered well.

Quote from: The Zipp on June 26, 2026, 03:10:31 AMzach with a not great throw

He blew it again, needs 5 yds. shoots for 40.  Where is Matt Nichols???

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 03:14:05 AMHe blew it again, needs 5 yds. shoots for 40.  Where is Matt Nichols???

no.

Where's the check down pass when a guys covered 40 yds down the field ?? We had to stay on the field, nope let's go for the low percentage long bomb incompletion. Brutal play call

nichols is kinda bad

Well we deserve that

Defense and Nichols blows it again. Not aggressive enough again when it mattered.

Now watch ZC throw 4 yard passes

Honestly, if we went for 5, you guys would say, why aren't we going down the field? We go down the field you say why aren't we going for 5.  Fans are never happy when we aren't successful.

NO guarantee 5 would have worked either!

Demski gotta be aware the clock and try lateral

Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2026, 02:00:31 AMOnly one of which led to points.

Yards don't count on the score board. If the offence had held onto the ball and Sergio makes his usual kicks, this is a very different game. Defence has kept us in the game by forcing a turn over and holding them to 3 on the fumble return.

That's hardly the point and you should know it. TOP and field position are all part of the game.  IIRC the Elks scored a FG on their 2nd possession. It was the fumble return that ended up with a turnover on downs.

If I got that backwards, I stand corrected but I think that was what happened. In any case you can't let a team drive 100+ yards twice to start the game. Noting I said drive not a 2 play deal but 10 play type situation.

Throwing to Demski? Nobody open down field?  We deserved to lose.

Two missed FG's

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 02:20:33 AMAll they needed was a first down to continue the drive, they needed 4 yds, Zach hucks the ball 40 yds., incomplete.

That's what I thought. We only needed a 1st down and to control the clock. We punt, they march downfield and score.

Bad all around.

Younger's D is officially bad. We need a new DC.

Quote from: tlf on June 26, 2026, 03:02:48 AMZach, Brown, Perkins. I like that.  Where does ELgersma go? Conundrum.

He goes to reserve.

That was the ugliest game we've seen from the Bombers in some time.

Aside from the bad play, several things come to mind:

1. We don't have a DI on offence when we have an injury to a receiver.
2. Ditto if we lose an import DB even though we have to DI's on defence and in theory Vaval. I don't want him to need to play DB.
3. Castillo had his worst game but the loss can be blamed on many players. I lost count 6 or 7 fumbles with about 5 lost?
4. We continue to have soft coverage. 2 and 15? No problem for our opponents. Need to throw out to the flat? No problem.
5. Our DL had a combined 5 DT's. That's not good.

It's been a long time since we've been bad on all three phases of the game all at once. We shouldn't be proud.

It's actually amazing we made of game of this.

Quote from: blue_or_die on June 26, 2026, 03:43:05 AMIt's been a long time since we've been bad on all three phases of the game all at once. We shouldn't be proud.

It's actually amazing we made of game of this.

The irony is that the offence moved the ball but kept shooting themselves in the foot: Collaros, Demski, Oliveria and Daniels all fumbled.

I was semi right that Fajardo didn't have a great passing game, only 267 yards. we held Rankin to just over 100 yards. The problem is that all happened in the 1st half. 200 yards of it in their 1st 2 series.

When it really counted the defense let us down again.  Edmonton marched down the field with ease...over 60 yards taking off 2.5 minutes of the clock for the TD.

lol at Collaros' response on the final drive.  Guy has 50 seconds left near centrefield - enough time for some intermediate passes to get us within reasonable range of a TD attempt.  Instead all we get are some piddly little passes for a handful of yards before he throws he throws a final pass that is nowhere near the endzone as time expires.  He sure is a good QB isn't he.

the db coverage is terrible...something has got to change....lol the turnovers were insane, not gonna win many games playing like that.....dont hold much hope for this team not being not much more than being a .500  club.....

Quote from: tlf on June 26, 2026, 03:02:48 AMZach, Brown, Perkins. I like that.  Where does ELgersma go? Conundrum.

If Brown is ready, I'll do Brown, Zach and Perkins.
Zach will not get us anywhere anymore.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on June 26, 2026, 03:45:39 AMWhen it really counted the defense let us down again.  Edmonton marched down the field with ease...over 60 yards taking off 2.5 minutes of the clock for the TD.

lol at Collaros' response on the final drive.  Guy has 50 seconds left near centrefield - enough time for some intermediate passes to get us within reasonable range of a TD attempt.  Instead all we get are some piddly little passes for a handful of yards before he throws he throws a final pass that is nowhere near the endzone as time expires.  He sure is a good QB isn't he.

He was a good QB but not anymore. It seems he can't throw long accurate passes anymore.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on June 26, 2026, 03:45:39 AMWhen it really counted the defense let us down again.  Edmonton marched down the field with ease...over 60 yards taking off 2.5 minutes of the clock for the TD.

lol at Collaros' response on the final drive.  Guy has 50 seconds left near centrefield - enough time for some intermediate passes to get us within reasonable range of a TD attempt.  Instead all we get are some piddly little passes for a handful of yards before he throws he throws a final pass that is nowhere near the endzone as time expires.  He sure is a good QB isn't he.

Only having 1 import receiver left and using 4 Canadians and you want to put that on Collaros. Add to that the OL couldn't stop the rush because we had 4 Canadian receivers and the Elks knew that was easier coverage.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:45:01 AMThe irony is that the offence moved the ball but kept shooting themselves in the foot: Collaros, Demski, Oliveria and Daniels all fumbled.

I was semi right that Fajardo didn't have a great passing game, only 267 yards. we held Rankin to just over 100 yards. The problem is that all happened in the 1st half. 200 yards of it in their 1st 2 series.

It was the perfect storm of this year's JY defense, last year's propensity to turn over the ball in the red zone on O, and whenever the last time Serg decided to have a terrible game, all in one.

Look at their D line getting  pressure seemingly every snap and our D line not. How many sacks did we give up?. And how many did we get?? It starts right there. And don't give me the line we had 2 changes to our O line just before game time bunk—-we knew they were going to be weak and yet we called for Collaros to stand in their and get sacked. Why didn't we employ the Trevor Harris dump the ball off-so we don't lose 15 yards on a first down sack strategy?? We are just so stupid

Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 26, 2026, 03:47:45 AMIf Brown is ready, I'll do Brown, Zach and Perkins.
Zach will not get us anywhere anymore.

It wasn't his fault for all the turnovers or the fact the defence was horrible in the 1st half.

QuoteIt was the perfect storm of this year's JY defense, last year's propensity to turn over the ball in the red zone on O, and whenever the last time Serg decided to have a terrible game, all in one.

Wait til the storm in Hamilton next week, this one will be nothing!!

It seems the light practices and going with 2 American's at REC backfired on the Bombers as well some of the Off season Signing are not paying of. Maybe MOS time has passed ?

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:49:23 AMOnly having 1 import receiver left and using 4 Canadians and you want to put that on Collaros. Add to that the OL couldn't stop the rush because we had 4 Canadian receivers and the Elks knew that was easier coverage.

.

Zach got little to no help for sure.  But his arm is cooked and all defences know it.

Pretty ugly. Far to many mistakes. Sergio was terrible. And, two big injuries.

Quote from: dd on June 26, 2026, 03:50:17 AMLook at their D line getting  pressure seemingly every snap and our D line not. How many sacks did we give up?. And how many did we get?? It starts right there. And don't give me the line we had 2 changes to our O line just before game time bunk—-we knew they were going to be weak and yet we called for Collaros to stand in their and get sacked. Why didn't we employ the Trevor Harris dump the ball off-so we don't lose 15 yards on a first down sack strategy?? We are just so stupid

I'm not convinced a 3 import OL is an improvement at the cost of another receiver. Elks had 3 sacks and a lot of pressure on both the run and pass game. That got worse when Wilson was injured. He's our deepest threat.

Quote from: BBFANDM on June 26, 2026, 03:52:10 AMIt seems the light practices and going with 2 American's at REC backfired on the Bombers as well some of the Off season Signing are not paying of. Maybe MOS time has passed ?

That's two years in a row that off season signings aren't panning out.  They have something in common.

QuoteIt wasn't his fault for all the turnovers or the fact the defence was horrible in the 1st half.

No but it is his fault in taking big losses/sacks on first down. Throw the ball away for the love of god!! Nope we like going 2 Nd and 25!! You got to be smarter than that!!

Quote from: Pigskin on June 26, 2026, 03:53:24 AMPretty ugly. Far to many mistakes. Sergio was terrible. And, two big injuries.

Wilson is probably just a concussion protocol issue.If not we have some talent on the PR. Not sure what happened to Ceresna or when he got injured.

Bombers are living in the past it seems to me they think they know better than that other teams clearly they don't seem to know what they are doing.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:49:23 AMOnly having 1 import receiver left and using 4 Canadians and you want to put that on Collaros. Add to that the OL couldn't stop the rush because we had 4 Canadian receivers and the Elks knew that was easier coverage.

Thank you! People always want to dump on the QB. He's an easy target, but shouldn't always be. The OL was so bad tonight.  Neufeld was missing, new OL were inserted last min.  I was hoping theyd be better, but they were not.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:55:17 AMWilson is probably just a concussion protocol issue.If not we have some talent on the PR. Not sure what happened to Ceresna or when he got injured.

Willie just said on OB he was talking to him and he'd be ok

Quote from: dd on June 26, 2026, 03:54:32 AMNo but it is his fault in taking big losses/sacks on first down. Throw the ball away for the love of god!! Nope we like going 2 Nd and 25!! You got to be smarter than that!!

I only partially agree. We were behind and we needed to make a play. Elks pressure was constant and increased when Wilson was injured. Cobb, Cocoran, Daniels or MCI aren't going to scare the DB's.

Quote from: BlueInCgy on June 26, 2026, 03:53:04 AM.

Zach got little to no help for sure.  But his arm is cooked and all defences know it.

His arm is fine. He doesn't have many deep receivers atm.  Maybe when we get him an Oline that can stop the other team he can get some protection and see the field better you will see some longer throws.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:57:37 AMI only partially agree. We were behind and we needed to make a play. Elks pressure was constant and increased when Wilson was injured. Cobb, Cocoran, Daniels or MCI aren't going to scare the DB's.

I didn't pickup on that but if true maybe its time to move on, I have liked Wilson in the past but I don't notice him much. Many issues with the Bombers too many areas to fix at this point for me seems like we will be lucky to be .500 at this point.

Quote from: tlf on June 26, 2026, 04:00:03 AMHis arm is fine. He doesn't have many deep receivers atm.  Maybe when we get him an Oline that can stop the other team he can get some protection and see the field better you will see some longer throws.

Down to 1 American REC with Pokey out the Bombers need to start at lest 3 like every other team in the CFL, it only works if your other areas of your Team are Dominating.

Quote from: BBFANDM on June 26, 2026, 04:03:44 AMDown to 1 American REC with Pokey out the Bombers need to start at lest 3 like every other team in the CFL, it only works if your other areas of your Team are Dominating.

MOS obession with starting more NATs than any other Team needs to END until they can prove they are in a position to do that !!!!!

I smell a troll

We won't win many games if our defense let's teams drive 90 yards for scores every game. Our offense struggled but at least they have the right concepts. Younger needs to be fired. He is terrible. The whole system makes no sense.

We are going to have a tough year until they figure out how to attack, get the DBs in position to contest balls and play real, professional defense. So many plays are made in front of our secondary. The last drive was gift wrapped. Just like the one in Calgary we got away with and just like the game going into the bye.

We have a front four who was given the green light to attack for about one quarter.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2026, 04:17:00 AMWe won't win many games if our defense let's teams drive 90 yards for scores every game. Our offense struggled but at least they have the right concepts. Younger needs to be fired. He is terrible. The whole system makes no sense.

We are going to have a tough year until they figure out how to attack, get the DBs in position to contest balls and play real, professional defense. So many plays are made in front of our secondary. The last drive was gift wrapped. Just like the one in Calgary we got away with and just like the game going into the bye.

We have a front four who was given the green light to attack for about one quarter.

Both sides of the ball had problems the 2 Huge Turnovers on O caused most of the problems in the first half.

Was it my imagination or did the dline  play better without Ceresna?  Once again this game to me showed the flaws in going so heavily with vets (read that as old) Is it a surprise that Ceresna is hurt again?
One thing this game showed is our severe lack of depth on the oline, Eli isnt good enough, and Elsbury isnt a guard, the Elks are much quicker on the dline and it showed. This wasn't on Zac, it looked a lot like ly when he was getting rushed on nearly every play. How many  years in a row have we not drafted an offensive lineman with our first pick and its showing.
 I thought Condell's whole emphasis was going to be on protection, its why we went to 3 cdn receivers. We didn't deserve to win this game, and whats disturbing is the same flaws keep showing up

Quote from: Pete on June 26, 2026, 04:32:39 AMWas it my imagination or did the dline  play better without Ceresna?  Once again this game to me showed the flaws in going so heavily with vets (read that as old) Is it a surprise that Ceresna is hurt again? Or Neufeld?
One thing this game showed is our severe lack of depth on the oline, Eli isnt good enough, and Elsbury isnt a guard, the Elks are much quicker on the dline and it showed. This wasn't on Zac, it looked a lot like ly when he was getting rushed on nearly every play
 I thought Condell's whole emphasis was going to be on protection, its why we went to 3 cdn receivers. We didn't deserve to win this game, and whats disturbing is the same flaws keep showing up

Bombers are not close to being good enough it seems sad to see it this early because we know that MOS will live by the players he picked in camp so we are in for a long year it seems.

Way too early in the season for all this doom and gloom. We'll figure it out. Injuries not helping.

Quote from: J5V on June 26, 2026, 04:47:39 AMWay too early in the season for all this doom and gloom. We'll figure it out. Injuries not helping.

Fingers crossed but I am not sure MOS will figure it out, it seems he hasn't learned much over the years he is still making the same mistakes it seems to me.

Quote from: BBFANDM on June 26, 2026, 04:24:28 AMBoth sides of the ball had problems the 2 Huge Turnovers on O caused most of the problems in the first half.

The defense gave up TWO more 100+ yard drives for scores. They're on some kind of record pace. It's a disaster. What you're watching is terrible defense. The cushions are massive. The system doesn't generate pressure and we played the whole first half doing JYs stupid contain collapse concept on the defensive line making Cody look like Anthony Calvillo. His system is terrible. He's a terrible play caller. It is still not working.

Funny enough it looked better in the third quarter when we actually let Willie pass rush and then when we got up and we needed a stop Younger went back to his hilariously bad deep zone concept and our secondary watched play after play get completed in front of them until they blew the lead again. The defense has collapsed down the stretch three times in three games. We will never win anything of note with this approach. Ever. It's a fundamentally bad system and someone needs to make him change or take the headset away.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2026, 04:53:08 AMThe defense has collapsed down the stretch three times in three games. We will never win anything of note with this approach. Ever. It's a fundamentally bad system and someone needs to make him change or take the headset away.

The D collapsing at the end is par for this year.  But it's also exactly how we lost the '22 and '23 GC's.  Oh look, and one of those was to perennial-mediocre Cody.  Point being: this has been an issue for many years.

The worst was losing the game on 2nd & medium to an everyone-runs-to-sticks-and-curls scheme.  Since we play way off they just ate that up.  Wasn't even a challenge.  Which I find hilarious as over the last 4 seasons we've run that exact same scheme ourselves on O at critical points and failed every single time.  The normal team DBs play closer and hit you when you're trying to catch.  THAT's what we should have been doing.

I don't think Cody threw to the mid/back of the EZ even once.  He didn't have to.  Everything he wanted was in front.  So stupid.  Younger is like a roulette player who just keeps betting red even though it's been black 20 times in a row.  He just keeps betting on red and it comes up black another 20 times.  At least with roulette it'll eventually round out and catch up -- but in Younger's case the opponent just ensures it stays black.  He can't mix it up to catch them by surprise EVEN ONCE?

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2026, 04:53:08 AMHe's a terrible play caller. It is still not working.

Well, normally Younger guesses right 0 or 1 time a game (out of ~35 D snaps?).  Tonight he guessed right maybe 4 or 5 times -- improvement.  We did catch Cody flat-footed at times.  We did catch Rankin for a loss at times, and limited his explosions -- and it would have been one more but tackling let us down again.

There was one run blitz time I really got a kick out of, just as I was screaming RUN BLITZ.

But 5 out of 35 guesses right, while better than normal, wasn't even half as good as EDM's DC was doing.  All the other teams make it look so easy.  Us... struggle for every inch, in every aspect.

Someone in-game said it feels like Burke era.  It's not THAT bad yet (because we actually have real QBs), but it sure is starting to smell like it.  Everything a struggle while opponents do whatever they want effortlessly.  It's depressing.

Quote from: Pete on June 26, 2026, 04:32:39 AMWas it my imagination or did the dline  play better without Ceresna?  Once again this game to me showed the flaws in going so heavily with vets (read that as old) Is it a surprise that Ceresna is hurt again?

In the stands I didn't know Ceresna was out.  Not sure anyone around me did either, they usually chirp about things like that.  Too busy trying to be loud.

But you're right, if Ceresna left sometime in the 3rd, our DL was doing better without him.

I was going to say in-game that Ceresna was totally useless.  Same as last week.  Only in game 1 did he have (great) success.  I think teams got the film and just double-team him every play (HAM did), and yet the other DL can't capitalize.  Maybe he was dinged up already in the HAM game and can't play 100%.

Is Younger spending 99.9% of his time working on his coverage scheme and no one is working on DL?  Where's the stunts?  Where's the creativity?  Where's making use of the single-team everyone not named Ceresna is guaranteed to get?  Is Fatboi doing nothing except making everyone "gap sound"?

Wrong day to pick to try to sell $244 Ceresna signed jerseys.  I went to the store after and they had a dedicated rack completely full.  So if you still wanted one and weren't at the game, I'm sure they'll be there on Friday & weekend.

Quote from: BBFANDM on June 26, 2026, 04:04:46 AMMOS obession with starting more NATs than any other Team needs to END until they can prove they are in a position to do that !!!!!

We've only been starting 7 NATs (+1 FAKENAT mandated which is invisible & uncharted).  We have not been doing our '24-'25 schtick of starting 8 or 9.  Mostly because of the 3IMP OL.

So we can't blame the over-ratio for the HAM & EDM travesties.

Quote from: BBFANDM on June 26, 2026, 04:03:44 AMDown to 1 American REC with Pokey out the Bombers need to start at lest 3 like every other team in the CFL, it only works if your other areas of your Team are Dominating.

Or you shift to a short/quick game for everything like SSK last year (and this).  Then any dolt out of U sports can catch the 5Y ball for you.

Many times last season SSK started 4 NATs.  SSK studied us in '22 and '23 to learn how to be a good team.  Now they are the best.  Did we study them in '25 to learn how to be a good team?  Nope.  We took nothing away from their short/timing game -- other than deciding to go 3-NAT REC.  Problem is, 3 NATs aren't good enough to play the traditional Bomber O, which is exactly what we're trying to do!!

Quote from: BBFANDM on June 26, 2026, 04:02:28 AMI didn't pickup on that but if true maybe its time to move on, I have liked Wilson in the past but I don't notice him much.

Pokey is our only guy who can do Circus.  He's our Kenny(-lite?).  Without Pokey we have no circus threat, which is most useful in the EZ.  He has the best hands on the team.  His ceiling has not yet been reached.  He's still rough on routes and still learning.

Is he as good as the other teams' circus guy?  Probably not.  Maybe middling.  But he's what we're rolling with, and he's way more affordable than all the others.

Quote from: dd on June 26, 2026, 03:54:32 AMNo but it is his fault in taking big losses/sacks on first down. Throw the ball away for the love of god!!

Fly Matt Nichols up tomorrow to be the QB asst coach!  (Only half-joking!)

But hey, Zach did have one throw-into-the-stands moment this game!  It was a sight to see.  He never does that.  (Could have used maybe 4 more of those.)

Quote from: J5V on June 26, 2026, 04:47:39 AMWay too early in the season for all this doom and gloom. We'll figure it out. Injuries not helping.

Agree.  Waaaaayyyy to early to write off the season thinking we are doomed.  Last minute changes on the Oline were huge.  The turnovers and missed field goals in the first half were killers.

YOUNGER has got to go.. he is clueless as a DC. HALL.. where are you???

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:53:40 AMI'm not convinced a 3 import OL is an improvement at the cost of another receiver

Uh... you did see how crap the OL was tonight, right?  Compare it to vs HAM.  Ya, that's all Eli right there (and Elsbury being out of place).  I told you all he wasn't good enough and we needed to go IMP C -- for 2 seasons!

Pass pro is not our problem.  Pass pro was awesome in game 1 & game 2.  It only broke down because Neuf decided to <something>.

Eli is a great 6th.  Eli is fine coming in for a Q if someone gets hurt.  Eli is NOT someone who should be starting a game.  I have a hunch Vibert gets his job in off-season and Eli retires, or goes PR if we have no DP options.

And... why didn't we keep Els at C and put Eli at RG, assuming we couldn't dress 4 IMP (pulling an IMP REC)?  Eli has played G before and been no worse than he is at C.  Shuffling TWO players was unnecessary and I think it threw off Els.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:45:01 AMThe irony is that the offence moved the ball but kept shooting themselves in the foot: Collaros, Demski, Oliveria and Daniels all fumbled.

I was semi right that Fajardo didn't have a great passing game, only 267 yards. we held Rankin to just over 100 yards. The problem is that all happened in the 1st half. 200 yards of it in their 1st 2 series.

Once upon a time the Bombers effectively ran a highly successful hurry up offence, the last time they used it may have been under LaPo. That is the go to plan when you have to sustain a drive with limited time remaining on the clock.  Fajardo has been orchestrating those last minute drives effectively since the time he was a bridesmaid in Sask. 

At one time Zach had the ability to move the ball safely and efficiently down the field on a last minute game winning drive, he did this countless times in the good years prior to 2024.  His last minute drives now look haphazard and disorganized, instead of hitting receivers in predefined routes quickly like the majority  of CFL QB's are able to do in this situation, he's winging it, looking for the receiver beating his man 40 yds. down field with the result that he often gets sacked or ends up dumping the ball off to Brady in the flats more often than not.

Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on June 26, 2026, 06:26:23 AMYOUNGER has got to go.. he is clueless as a DC. HALL.. where are you???

He's right there in the booth, telling Younger what to do.  Would love to be in on those headset convos.

I think MOS needs to get them both in a room and tell Younger that he's the ops guy and all scheme is now Hall's.  Hall had his moments in the past, but he'd never let you keep creeping to the EZ without stiffening up.  The idea is start soft and go for INTs/mistakes, then stiffen up to stop them from just diming you into the EZ.  No idea what Younger is trying to do by staying soft the entire time.

Quote from: BBFANDM on June 26, 2026, 03:52:10 AMIt seems the light practices and going with 2 American's at REC backfired on the Bombers as well some of the Off season Signing are not paying of.

MOS said in presser this week that no team can improve tackling because there are no tackling padded practices anymore.

I think other teams are practicing a heck of a lot more than we are.  It's just summer day camp for our guys all week.  No one is taking anything seriously.  I bet the top teams are practicing on their own time & dime, maybe even in pads.  Even if our schemes are garbage, our execution shouldn't be THIS bad.  What are the other teams doing we aren't?  Our entire culture might have just rotted into laxity.  Where's the urgency?  Why don't all our RECs/RBs/QBs go out and practice on their own time to get better.  Why not our DL?

We need a Kavis "there will be consequences" moment.  But no one will do it...

Quote from: dd on June 26, 2026, 03:50:17 AMwe knew they were going to be weak and yet we called for Collaros to stand in their and get sacked. Why didn't we employ the Trevor Harris dump the ball off-so we don't lose 15 yards on a first down sack strategy?? We are just so stupid

It was shocking how on most passing downs we didn't have 1-2 hot routes planned.  We knew the heat was coming -- it came all night -- but yet no REC on a quick slant or something or a go-rainbow?  Probably the most frustrating part of the game.  THIS IS BASIC STUFF.  Watch how other teams rip you a new one when you bring heat (see: SSK).

Quote from: blue_or_die on June 26, 2026, 03:50:10 AMand whenever the last time Serg decided to have a terrible game, all in one.

Castillo missed on last game too, and maybe the game before?  He's been very miss and hit.  Lots of misses.  Almost no hits.  Acceptable when the team is good, but deadly when our team is as bad as OTT.

Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 26, 2026, 03:49:00 AMHe was a good QB but not anymore. It seems he can't throw long accurate passes anymore.

I think he's very accurate on the deep pass.  That's not the problem.  The problem is he's truncated at 50Y.  All teams know that.  So if it goes longer than 50Y they just hold up, let the REC overrun them, and snag the INT.

He does seem to have severe problems now hitting RECs in stride, whether crossing or go.  I consider this separate from the deep shot limit.  I've noticed either Zach isn't choosing to try them, or Condell isn't drawing them up.  That means teams that figure this out can ignore any routes that require catching in motion -- concentrate on the sitdowns and you can slaughter us.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 06:28:45 AMOnce upon a time the Bombers effectively ran a highly successful hurry up offence, the last time they used it may have been under LaPo.

Ya, our 2 min drill used to be league-best for many years.  Oh look, mostly our GC win years.  It existed but started petering out under Buck.  It was horrible for Buck's last season here.  It must have all just been remnants from Lapo like you said.

So it was a miracle we were able to get a big chunk in very limited time to win vs CGY.  Normally when we get the ball with 1:30 left I have zero confidence we'll get anything done.

Part of the problem is we ignore the outs.  Most teams (see MTL/SSK) switch to an out-mostly scheme so the clock stops every time.  And for the love of all holy why did we start the final drive with a run??  What a waste of time.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 06:28:45 AMlooking for the receiver beating his man 40 yds. down field with the result that he often gets sacked or ends up dumping the ball off to Brady in the flats more often than not.

At the bare minimum every pass should be 10-15Y.  There is no reason to have anyone running a 4Y route at that point.  If you can't find anything then Zach can scramble for 10.  But it all has to be QUICK.  Boom boom decide if it's there then abandon and throw it away or scramble straight ahead or throw ONLY to an out who's already at the rail to stop the clock.  They'll give you that 3Y rail every time, and if everyone is 20-40Y downfield the flat will be empty.

I said in the other thread that no one is spending the time required thinking about this, nor practicing, nor teaching.  Sure, we're spending the required time (which per CFLPA rules is less than 1 or 2 shifts at McD's each week), but no one is putting the time in that's required to turn this around.  And it won't magically turn around itself!

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on June 26, 2026, 03:45:39 AMWhen it really counted the defense let us down again.  Edmonton marched down the field with ease...over 60 yards taking off 2.5 minutes of the clock for the TD.

Wasn't it EDM taking the clock from about 5:00 to 0:50?  It was worse than them wasting 2.5 mins.

It's times like those, where I think we all knew EDM was going to score, where maybe you let them complete the 10Y pass and all D just sits down to give them the TD and we have 2.5 mins left on the clock so WE get the benefit of a 3-down drive.  I'm dead serious that this should be a strategic option for us when the D lets everyone drive for 100Y every time the opponent has the gas on.

Quote from: blueandgoldguy on June 26, 2026, 03:45:39 AMlol at Collaros' response on the final drive.  Guy has 50 seconds left near centrefield - enough time for some intermediate passes to get us within reasonable range of a TD attempt.  Instead all we get are some piddly little passes for a handful of yards before he throws he throws a final pass that is nowhere near the endzone as time expires.  He sure is a good QB isn't he.

100%.  Sickening.  Look at what Alexander does in that situation.  Holy smokes.  And no, this isn't all on Zach, it's just as much Condell and MOS's fault.  And the RECs too.  Never open, crap routes.  Heck, they didn't even give him that juicy 15Y zone sit that's worked so well for us.  And the makeshift garbage OL.

Remember the MTL Miracle game in '17 or '18?  I think the final TD drive started around the 50 (after OSK) and had about 44s left.  And that was with "lowly" Matt Nichols!

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 03:37:02 AM4. We continue to have soft coverage. 2 and 15? No problem for our opponents. Need to throw out to the flat? No problem.

We did far better covering the flat to stop Cody runs & limit Rankin though.  That was vastly improved this game.  I think Cody only got 1 free 1st down out of a run?

But yes, we leave every pass in the flat wide open.  Like the one that won the game.  Just awful soft zone all the way into the EZ.  Dumb.

Quote from: Tecno on June 26, 2026, 06:39:03 AMCastillo missed on last game too, and maybe the game before?  He's been very miss and hit.  Lots of misses.  Almost no hits.  Acceptable when the team is good, but deadly when our team is as bad as OTT.

Easy to check. He's 5/8 on the season, with a game winner in Calgary. 8/8 on point after attempts. 

Quote from: ModAdmin on June 26, 2026, 06:26:03 AMAgree.  Waaaaayyyy to early to write off the season thinking we are doomed.  Last minute changes on the Oline were huge.  The turnovers and missed field goals in the first half were killers.

Sure anything can happen. But so far this looks like the team that had a chance last year and got blown up by Montreal in the East Semi.

Mostly the same problems. Mostly the same results. And keep in mind this was after a bye week for us and a short week for Edmonton.

Quote from: Tecno on June 26, 2026, 06:15:06 AMWe've only been starting 7 NATs (+1 FAKENAT mandated which is invisible & uncharted).  We have not been doing our '24-'25 schtick of starting 8 or 9.  Mostly because of the 3IMP OL.

So we can't blame the over-ratio for the HAM & EDM travesties.

2 OL, 3 receivers, 1 RB, 1 DT and 1 safety. That's 8 Canadians starting. Yes the difference is the change to 3 import OL.

Quote from: Tecno on June 26, 2026, 06:28:13 AMUh... you did see how crap the OL was tonight, right?  Compare it to vs HAM.  Ya, that's all Eli right there (and Elsbury being out of place).  I told you all he wasn't good enough and we needed to go IMP C -- for 2 seasons!

Pass pro is not our problem.  Pass pro was awesome in game 1 & game 2.  It only broke down because Neuf decided to <something>.

Eli is a great 6th.  Eli is fine coming in for a Q if someone gets hurt.  Eli is NOT someone who should be starting a game.  I have a hunch Vibert gets his job in off-season and Eli retires, or goes PR if we have no DP options.

And... why didn't we keep Els at C and put Eli at RG, assuming we couldn't dress 4 IMP (pulling an IMP REC)?  Eli has played G before and been no worse than he is at C.  Shuffling TWO players was unnecessary and I think it threw off Els.

The OL is better with Neufeld at RG. I'm not sure we used the best combination of who played where. Elsbury did not play well at RG and Eli did not play well at enter.

You can't argue the 3 import OL is better when our OL has been manhandled in each game, especially the last 2 against better teams.

Maybe Elsbury improves but the ratio change has not been a success yet.

There is a trade off long discussed that there is a trade off at receiver in order to have a 3 import OL. That became even more apparent when injury forced us into a 4 Canadian receiver group and no DI to replace Wilson.

That concept is like walking on the edge of a cliff in the fog.

Getting shut out in a half in inexcusable. Getting shut out in a half at home is actually pathetic. What a sloppy performance.

And then the defense can't manage a stop late in the game to preserve a precarious lead.

There are no silver linings in last night's loss. This team looks just as bad as it did last season.

We can say what-ifs and could-haves all day long but the reality is last season we lost our last game to Mtrl. We won our first game against Calgary, then get molly whopped by Hammy, then lost to Edm. both at home......

At the end of the day we can say it's a, b or c but reality is we are not good enough, it's not one scheme or player or issue. Unless multiple things improve we are not a good team. The stats say so, the record says so, and the eye test says so.

I don't see us beating Hammy in Hammy as long as Bo is healthy, so we are staring down a realistic 1-3 record....then what.....

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 26, 2026, 02:37:47 PMGetting shut out in a half in inexcusable. Getting shut out in a half at home is actually pathetic. What a sloppy performance.

And then the defense can't manage a stop late in the game to preserve a precarious lead.

There are no silver linings in last night's loss. This team looks just as bad as it did last season.

Looking over the stats, realistically the D played well enough to win the game, they only gave up 23 pts. and they stopped the Elks in the Redzone from scoring TD's 3 out of 6 times, plus they caused 2 turnovers. 

On the other hand the offence fumbled the ball 6 times and lost 3, luckily they didn't include Cobb's drop or it would have been 7/4.  IMO the nail in the coffin was when they received the ball with 5:10 left and promptly went 2 and out, leaving Fajardo with 3:51 to score the game winning TD, which he easily did.

In days of lore they would have played Brady ball and marched the field while methodically consuming the last remaining minutes of the game. Such a result would have sparked wild enthusiasm for the coming season on such a glorious night, instead a black cloud of doubt has slipped over POS and the team's prospects for this season. They absolutely must find a way to beat Hamilton next Sunday.

How we got to halftime down only 11, I'll never know.

You can't cough up the ball in your own red zone.  Daniels just got a huge slice of humble pie, that was a dumb rookie mistake.  Take the yards.

Yes, Oline was not great.  Zach running like a maniac in the backfield down not allow him to set up for the good deep throw.  Neuf out, Elsbury playing a position he hadn't played before coming off his own wedding, not sure that's optimal.

Castillo missing 2?  That's the game if he hits.

I was playing poker, and watched it between hands, and when big plays happened.  Not sure if the game I saw was different than the game would be watching it from KO to final whistle.  I have it PVR'd, but not sure I want to watch it.  At all.

Did see the Perkins SY for a big gain.  So much for Taylor taking that job.

Younger's D shut the Elks down in the 2nd half.  He is making half time adjustments well, zero 3rd quarter scores this year.  I guess its just actual game planning that is the issue.

MCI25 on the final kickoff looked pretty sharp, straight up field with determination.  Yes, we want shifty Vaval there, but they astutely kicked to MCI25, and I think he did good to make that return.

What was Wallace thinking rumbling with the fumble.  Those wonderful hoggies loose theer minds when they get the ball.  He wasted a good 5 seconds there.  Fall on it and secure it. Running with it wastes time, and risks fumbling.

Far too soon to write off the year, but man... 

Quote from: theaardvark on June 26, 2026, 04:49:03 PMHow we got to halftime down only 11, I'll never know.

You can't cough up the ball in your own red zone.  Daniels just got a huge slice of humble pie, that was a dumb rookie mistake.  Take the yards.

Yes, Oline was not great.  Zach running like a maniac in the backfield down not allow him to set up for the good deep throw.  Neuf out, Elsbury playing a position he hadn't played before coming off his own wedding, not sure that's optimal.

Castillo missing 2?  That's the game if he hits.

I was playing poker, and watched it between hands, and when big plays happened.  Not sure if the game I saw was different than the game would be watching it from KO to final whistle.  I have it PVR'd, but not sure I want to watch it.  At all.

Did see the Perkins SY for a big gain.  So much for Taylor taking that job.

Younger's D shut the Elks down in the 2nd half.  He is making half time adjustments well, zero 3rd quarter scores this year.  I guess its just actual game planning that is the issue.

MCI25 on the final kickoff looked pretty sharp, straight up field with determination.  Yes, we want shifty Vaval there, but they astutely kicked to MCI25, and I think he did good to make that return.

What was Wallace thinking rumbling with the fumble.  Those wonderful hoggies loose theer minds when they get the ball.  He wasted a good 5 seconds there.  Fall on it and secure it. Running with it wastes time, and risks fumbling.

Far too soon to write off the year, but man... 

At least we're using Daniels so he'll improve and force defences to not just ignore him.

Perkins looked good on his long run but I perceive that Elgersma is moved to RR in any case once Brown has a practice or 2. That might be as early as the next game since he's familiar with Condell.

MCI plays on return and cover teams, so he's a valuable player on the AR. I would like to see him get an offensive rep as well.

Quote from: theaardvark on June 26, 2026, 04:49:03 PMHow we got to halftime down only 11, I'll never know.

You can't cough up the ball in your own red zone.  Daniels just got a huge slice of humble pie, that was a dumb rookie mistake.  Take the yards.

Yes, Oline was not great.  Zach running like a maniac in the backfield down not allow him to set up for the good deep throw.  Neuf out, Elsbury playing a position he hadn't played before coming off his own wedding, not sure that's optimal.

Castillo missing 2?  That's the game if he hits.

I was playing poker, and watched it between hands, and when big plays happened.  Not sure if the game I saw was different than the game would be watching it from KO to final whistle.  I have it PVR'd, but not sure I want to watch it.  At all.

Did see the Perkins SY for a big gain.  So much for Taylor taking that job.

Younger's D shut the Elks down in the 2nd half.  He is making half time adjustments well, zero 3rd quarter scores this year.  I guess its just actual game planning that is the issue.

MCI25 on the final kickoff looked pretty sharp, straight up field with determination.  Yes, we want shifty Vaval there, but they astutely kicked to MCI25, and I think he did good to make that return.

What was Wallace thinking rumbling with the fumble.  Those wonderful hoggies loose theer minds when they get the ball.  He wasted a good 5 seconds there.  Fall on it and secure it. Running with it wastes time, and risks fumbling.

Far too soon to write off the year, but man... 

Taylor can still take his job as a short yardage QB.  You want you third string QB to also throw the ball if needed.

Hearing that JC94 clasped on the sideline?? Didn't see this? Did JC94 just over heat.

However, that gave Fletcher more snaps and he showed the quickness he displays in practice. 271 lbs. DL running down Leake.

Daniels will learn to run over DBs, not try to jump over them.   
 

Quote from: Pigskin on June 26, 2026, 06:39:16 PMHearing that JC94 clasped on the sideline?? Didn't see this? Did JC94 just over heat.

However, that gave Fletcher more snaps and he showed the quickness he displays in practice. 271 lbs. DL running down Leake.

Daniels will learn to run over through DB, not try to jump over them.   
 

Quote from: Pigskin on June 26, 2026, 06:39:16 PMHearing that JC94 clasped on the sideline?? Didn't see this? Did JC94 just over heat.

However, that gave Fletcher more snaps and he showed the quickness he displays in practice. 271 lbs. DL running down Leake.

Daniels will learn to run over DBs, not try to jump over them.   
 

Yah saw that, Fletcher has some wheels for a big man. So far these young bucks on the D-line haven't made a dent, I think they must be struggling with the amount of holding the O-line is allowed.  Even saw Stan attempting to integrate it into his game a bit more, at times he's holding on for dear life. Fair to say this will probably be his final season.

Yeah, I like Fletcher's hustle, he can pass some on to Willie, cause he needs some.

Quote from: Jesse on June 25, 2026, 07:39:53 PMWe have dead last in sacks each year under Jordan Younger. So you can admit it's not something he prioritizes or you have to admit that we are very bad at it.

Would be interested to see the QB pressure #'s under Younger.  We haven't been a sack machine 100%.

Quote from: Pigskin on June 26, 2026, 06:39:16 PMHearing that JC94 clasped on the sideline?? Didn't see this? Did JC94 just over heat.

Can't recall if you're one who goes to games or not, so I'll just throw in here that the temp was perfect -- just above light sweater threshold by 0:00.  It's not like it was 30 and muggy.  That said, ya those guys working hard certainly can still get hot and overheat if they aren't taking care of themselves.

Too bad my seat makes seeing our bench impossible -- best I can do is see the guys standing close to the sideline, even if I stand up.  So binocs scouting for dirt like this only works on the enemy bench and WPG goings-on are mostly a mystery to me.

Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on June 26, 2026, 06:01:25 PMTaylor can still take his job as a short yardage QB.  You want you third string QB to also throw the ball if needed.

Perkins looked ok in PS.  Elgersma maybe showed a bit better, but it wasn't a country mile.

MOS hasn't gambled passing with the SY unit since Prukop botched one 2-3 seasons back.  (Maybe there was 1 Strev try in his starts last season on 2nd?)  I think we need to do more SY passing, at least one a year, to force D's to honor the coverage.  I don't care if it fails that one time.

Quote from: theaardvark on June 26, 2026, 04:49:03 PMYes, Oline was not great.  Zach running like a maniac in the backfield down not allow him to set up for the good deep throw.  Neuf out, Elsbury playing a position he hadn't played before coming off his own wedding, not sure that's optimal.

LOL, what are you implying??  :o  :o  :o

Quote from: theaardvark on June 26, 2026, 04:49:03 PMWhat was Wallace thinking rumbling with the fumble.  Those wonderful hoggies loose theer minds when they get the ball.

I love the hoggie fumble rumble.  Epic.  He trashed a bunch of guys until they realized they need to get the legs.  Love to see it, even if it did cost time.  I can't think of a hoggie I'd rather see with the ball than him.  I thought he might get all the way to the GL!

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 04:38:26 PMSuch a result would have sparked wild enthusiasm for the coming season on such a glorious night, instead a black cloud of doubt has slipped over POS and the team's prospects for this season. They absolutely must find a way to beat Hamilton next Sunday.

Freudian slip?  Don't give Riderfans any new slur ideas.  :o  :o  :o

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 01:07:38 PMYou can't argue the 3 import OL is better when our OL has been manhandled in each game, especially the last 2 against better teams.

I'm gonna need Junkie or someone to give us the stats on that.  My distinct impression game 1 & 2 is pass pro was superb.  I guess the quick easy stat is how many sacks did Zach take in each game.  Pressure stat would be better.

In any event, I guarantee you that even if the OL was a bit stinky in pass pro in game 1 & 2, they were infinitely worse in game 3.  Zach had almost no time on a great many passing downs.

I do rewatches focusing on the lines and clearly our memories are differing here.  Not sure I can handle yet another rewatch of game 2...

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 01:07:38 PMThere is a trade off long discussed that there is a trade off at receiver in order to have a 3 import OL. That became even more apparent when injury forced us into a 4 Canadian receiver group and no DI to replace Wilson.

Ya, but how often do we get an IMP WR injured mid-game?  Like uber rarely.  Is it worth a DI just for that?  Or should we have guys better than Cobb...  In past years it was solved by having our returner also be O-capable (Grant, Lucky).  Just bad luck our returner is on D now.

Add in the fact that Pokey got creamed tackling someone... that's not business as usual.  It's a freak accident.  Do you strike a valuable D DI in order to cover that miniscule risk?  Especially since we're always clamoring for more DI on DL!!

Maybe the problem is Cobb/Corcoran are both waterbugs -- and one waterbug is always fine, but 2 are not optimal.  We need one to be a big body for different looks (even when there are no injuries).  Someone like... Mital or KSB...

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 26, 2026, 01:03:05 PM2 OL, 3 receivers, 1 RB, 1 DT and 1 safety. That's 8 Canadians starting. Yes the difference is the change to 3 import OL.

You're totally right.  I think I didn't count BO20, lol.  So technically we can be starting Singer over Cobb?  What on earth are we doing??

Quote from: Tecno on June 27, 2026, 08:56:49 AMYou're totally right.  I think I didn't count BO20, lol.  So technically we can be starting Singer over Cobb?  What on earth are we doing??

Yes and no. Our extra DI's after Castillo and Vaval are used on defence. At the moment the extra ones would be Reese, Ayers or Fletcher.

Remove one or the other and we could add Singer or Fredickson as a 3rd import receiver.  It's about roster choices over the whole.

Is the trade off from defence to offence a better choice? The coaches don't seem to agree. If Vaval was more of an offensive player like Grant, then we'd have an offensive type option but we don't don't. He's a defensive emergency option.

Any injury to a receiver and we're a little thin for options.

And yes, it's not uncommon to lose one or more receivers during a game.

1Q9:10 I think there's an illegal participation -- uncalled -- that would have helped us.  On Vaval's kick-off return EDM #49 is lightly pushed OOB.  He runs down the sideline chasing Vaval, taking many steps on the line.  When Vaval starts to get tripped up by another guy, #49 takes half a step inbounds and instantly has his hands on Vaval to make the final wrap-up.  The foot touching down inbounds and his hand going on Vaval are nearly simultaneous.

He is allowed to keep playing if he "first re-establishes himself in bounds", without any foul.  But I'm not sure one foot down and hands on the guy right away counts as "re-establishment".

@Stats Junkie thoughts?

I think it should have been 10 more yards tacked on.  I won't comment on what ref was trailing #49 the whole way.  That said, it appears the league may have told the refs at some point to be lax on the IP, as there's been so many missed in PS and first few weeks.

If he's pushed out, there's no foul.

Quote from: Tecno on June 27, 2026, 08:54:34 AMI'm gonna need Junkie or someone to give us the stats on that.  My distinct impression game 1 & 2 is pass pro was superb.  I guess the quick easy stat is how many sacks did Zach take in each game.  Pressure stat would be better.

In any event, I guarantee you that even if the OL was a bit stinky in pass pro in game 1 & 2, they were infinitely worse in game 3.  Zach had almost no time on a great many passing downs.

I do rewatches focusing on the lines and clearly our memories are differing here.  Not sure I can handle yet another rewatch of game 2...

Ya, but how often do we get an IMP WR injured mid-game?  Like uber rarely.  Is it worth a DI just for that?  Or should we have guys better than Cobb...  In past years it was solved by having our returner also be O-capable (Grant, Lucky).  Just bad luck our returner is on D now.

Add in the fact that Pokey got creamed tackling someone... that's not business as usual.  It's a freak accident.  Do you strike a valuable D DI in order to cover that miniscule risk?  Especially since we're always clamoring for more DI on DL!!

Maybe the problem is Cobb/Corcoran are both waterbugs -- and one waterbug is always fine, but 2 are not optimal.  We need one to be a big body for different looks (even when there are no injuries).  Someone like... Mital or KSB...

Clercius.

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 30, 2026, 01:38:15 PMIf he's pushed out, there's no foul.

He still has to make an effort to return to the field of play as quickly as possible. I don't know if that was the case, but that's the criteria.

the rule states that he has to re-establish himself before making a play, it doesn't say as quickly as possible, it s a loop hole that needs to be closed, and re-establish is defined as 1 foot in bounds and no contact with out of bounds area

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 30, 2026, 01:38:15 PMIf he's pushed out, there's no foul.

dd is right.  You have to "re-establish" yourself in the field of play before having anything to do with the play.  That's literally in the rule.  That's the whole point of my post.

BinBC: There's no text saying you have to get back in as fast as possible.  There should be!  But there's not.  So the dude running 30Y down on the rail completely OOB, while looking bad (and seeming unfair), doesn't matter here.

In the same motion his first foot touches inbounds, his hand is onto the carrier.  To me that's not "re-establishing yourself".  That is lunging from OOB straight onto the carrier.

The funny thing is, I don't think the refs pondered this and considered him "re-established", I think the refs were completely oblivious to the fact someone was OOB!  I think it's the same problem as the PS.  They simply are clueless about it because they have 100% focus on the ball.  I think the league needs to remind them they need to keep track of OOB players.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 30, 2026, 01:42:42 PMClercius.

Ya, but he's a similar body to Nield, and Nield didn't do much last game.  And none of these guys we have is as talented and producing as much as KSB and Mital and McInnis.  Mital is having a season for the ages, and KSB finally got his mojo back post-injury.

And Nield is the expensive guy who's supposed to be our Mital and KSB!!  Not Clercius, who hasn't established himself as much of anything.

Finished the rewatch.  What a disgusting pile of poop.  Maybe even worse than when I saw it in person.

Completely outplayed, out-planned, out-executed, out-brained, out-practiced, out-physicaled, out-coached, out-everything.

The thing that stands out most is every EDM unit outplayed both our same unit and the unit they line up against.  Their DL was better than our OL and our DL, etc.  We didn't win a single match-up.

We made their rookies and retreads look like all-stars!  I'm not even joking.  Cephus & Luther outclassing Demski, Nield, Pokey, everyone.  Rankin showing Brady what a real RB can do.  Shamefully, lowly low-wattage-bulb Cody miles better than Zach.  Their not-so-hot OL stopping nearly everything we tried.  Ceresna did absolutely nothing, might as well started Fatboi.  Broxton did absolutely nothing -- worse, he was a detriment.  Rand was better.  Eli/Elsbury blowing it every other snap.

Their OL, impenetrable.  Their DL, unstoppable.  Their RECs catching nearly every heater, even when off-target.  Their DBs in every hip pocket in man, and tight in zone to punish every catch or knock it out.  YAC was unheared of.  Rankin was held to the lowest this season, but still got way over 100.

And our D scheme.  So awful I can't even take it anymore.  Critical drives and downs and every deep DB was 10Y off the REC!  95% of the time they couldn't even make it to the underneath throw in time to have a hope of disrupting the catch.  That's not our DBs, that's scheme.  It's pathetic.  With no one anywhere close in front, what is the point of this?  You're not getting an INT.  What are we doing?

The O had many chances to win it but couldn't duplicate what EDM was doing.  We made EDM (EDM!!) look like GC champs.  They implemented the all-dink&dunk against us, that every good team has been using vs us for 2.5 years now.  I think Cody threw one deep pass all night, and it failed.  But everything underneath except maybe a Mack drop was complete, except for the handful of miracles when our DL actually got pressure and Cody threw early -- then he was less than 50%.  Hmm, almost like there's something to that...

Our O scheme was equally awful.  Just playing normal Bomber ball like it's 2021 and we have AH and Lawler and Yoshi.  Don't you guys get it?  Those guys are gone.  Nield and Cobb are not going to do anything spectacular!  No one is going to get open in man!  No one is coming down with a 50/50.

Where. Was. The. Hot. Route.  All night long the blitz would come and all 5 RECs would be oblivious.  Zach had zero options other than ending up on his butt.  It's truly disgraceful.  You call this a prepared team?  It's a joke.

And our final drive.  You have a certain amount of time.  You have a certain distance to cover.  Run the math!  50s and about 60Y and after 3 plays you've gotten 15 or so?  Math!!  It doesn't matter if guys are double covered, you need to move the ball in chunks.  20Y minimum target every pass.  Or. You'll. Lose.  Math.  You want to lose with a shot at winning, or just lose in boring hopeless fashion?

The only thing I can think of is Zach is worried about his INT stats.  That's it.  Gun-shy because he knows we'll lose but wants to preserve his stats.  Maybe he chose himself in fantasy and didn't want the -2!  Surely it can't be coaches thinking points, because those don't matter for the season series -- as we face EDM 3 times!

Ironically, our O was probably good enough to beat 2025 EDM.  The problem is they've improved a bit.  And we've moved backwards.  Especially our D.  "Mark Killam is a bad HC and won't win" some say.  Ya, well Killam spent all off-season with his coords planning out how to beat everyone, and so far they're executing it perfectly.  And I bet his players put in extra time; because they want to WIN and they know it won't just be handed to them.

Until we revamp quite a few things, I now don't see any chance of us beating anyone except OTT (if we're lucky!) and BC.  Even if our O scores on more drives, our D will give up points on nearly every drive against.  And it's not even that I think our players are garbage -- they aren't -- it's that there is no coaching going on, no leadership, no time put in to plan, no ideas to improve.  Worst of all, I think the team has lost faith.  It will take weeks, or the whole season, before we have any hope of getting that back.  And this is the optimistic take...

My breakdown:

IMPACTFUL BAD PLAYS:
broxton 3
wallace 2
elsbury 2   * wrong spot, he gets a pass
eli 2
brady 1
jenkins 1
lawson 1
ceresna 1
vibert 1
willie 1
stan 1

Wallace still can't hold a candle to our past LGs that have gone on to greener pastures.  Sad.  Broxton looks horrible.  What a waste.  Does he suck?  Or is it that a RT can't learn LT?  So lost and useless out there.

IMPACTFUL GOOD PLAYS:
willie 4
fletcher 3
williams 3
jenkins 2
griffin 2
kramdi 2
lawson 1
kyrie 1
holm 1
jones 1
ayers 1
elsbury 1
eli 1

Don't you talk smack about Willie.  If you pay attention he's still our best weapon.  Fletcher is making an immediate impact.  Leave him on the AR!  Except game 1, he's been doing more than Ceresna.  He has hustle, and outstanding speed!  Williams is an amazing find.  Rookie year, couple of games in, and he's already better than Bond was.  Another keeper, and rising star.  Younger guys Jenkins, Griffin making an impact.

Zach was throwing great deep shots -- just mostly not connecting.  But look at the perfect spiral and arc and enough strength he was doing 50Y quite a few times.  And eminently catchable.  Well, if we had top quality RECs.  Zach's mid/deep ball is better than anyone's except BLM, IMHO.  But his short game -- soooo slow, no zip; no chance at all for RECs!  Compare to the heat Cody put on the short pass.  Ouch.

Ceresna wasn't just out for the 4th, he was out for the 2nd half of Q1.  Many drives he was absent all game.  It's kind of hard to differentiate him with Lawson though -- almost the exact same body type and 94 blends into 99.  Fletcher too!  Makes it really hard to tell who is who on the ubiquitous side-shots.

I saw at 2Q2:31 Ceresna got his ankle rolled on (friendly fire?).  He was in after that, but maybe it started being less.  If there's anything wrong with him, probably ankle.  No idea why the rumor is he was passing out, though no law says he can't have 2 issues.

Lots of Ayers in the early game.  At one point he tracked & sealed Rankin in a way that seemed impossible.  Wow!  Less of an impact later on, but didn't see him much.  Maybe he knows he's the bubble DI and is trying to stay on the team?

No D honors the outside on Brady runs.  It's usually wide open.  Why we never have him kick out just once in a blue moon to keep D's honest is beyond me.  See: Rankin.

1Q9:37 Ceresa gets absolutely owned being tossed down like garbage by OL and leaves the Rankin TD gap wide open.  Our OL got tossed down a lot too.  How can both our lines get so dominated by this mediocre team?

1Q8:53 Wallace has a hard time with a smaller DT, and drops him too early and tries to get on a LB, but that DT just waits him out and goes in behind Wallace to stop Brady for a tiny gain.  Timing is all off.  Zach/Brady are taking way too long to decide things and do the hand off, and the 1st level blocks are shed before he even reaches the line and the DL makes an easy tackle as Brady is surrounded.  And he always refuses to bounce it outside even though it probably would work!  This is so common for us.

1Q5:37 Again worrying about 2nd level before the DL is fully taken care of = blowup Brady & fumble return for 95Y.

1Q0:14 KJG clutch catch when EDM backed up to their 2, is the exact same catch as Bailey did in the '19 GC: one hand has it normally the other has it with the back of the hand.  Since his body rolls on top of it and the ball touches the ground extensively, I guarantee the ball moved relative to that back-of-hand.  Command stole that catch from Bailey in the GC.  This shouldn't be a completion either.  Since he was falling down to catch it, he has to survive contact, and have full control before his body rolls onto the rail.  He does a great job selling it confidently before he even got up, which I think influenced the refs.  Every ref not named Major was atrocious.

2Q10:54 Bad spot, gave Cody the 2 when his knee was down when the ball was at the 3.

3Q7:02 Late hit on Collaros was exactly the same timing as the RTP Cody got a few series earlier, but no flag for Zach.

4Q8:52 why is the EDM DB beating up on Perkins after his big run?  Well after the whistle, 100% should be OC or UR.  I hope he gets at least a fine, not like that helps us now, though.

4Q3:27 Completely erroneous spot on the EDM final TD drive; ball never reaches the 49, not on 1st effort, not on 2nd.  Yet after the 3min warning break the ball is at the 47.5 and 6" from the 1st down.  What on earth is going on here?  It's not even an obscured or tricky spot.  It's clearly obvious to everyone.

Quote from: Tecno on July 01, 2026, 06:47:04 AMdd is right.  You have to "re-establish" yourself in the field of play before having anything to do with the play.  That's literally in the rule.  That's the whole point of my post.

It's down to what "re-establish" means. Is it one foot in the field of play? Is it both feet? Without a definition in the rule book, it could mean either to neither. 

Quote from: Tecno on July 01, 2026, 06:47:04 AMdd is right.  You have to "re-establish" yourself in the field of play before having anything to do with the play.  That's literally in the rule.  That's the whole point of my post.

BinBC: There's no text saying you have to get back in as fast as possible.  There should be!  But there's not.  So the dude running 30Y down on the rail completely OOB, while looking bad (and seeming unfair), doesn't matter here.

In the same motion his first foot touches inbounds, his hand is onto the carrier.  To me that's not "re-establishing yourself".  That is lunging from OOB straight onto the carrier.

The funny thing is, I don't think the refs pondered this and considered him "re-established", I think the refs were completely oblivious to the fact someone was OOB!  I think it's the same problem as the PS.  They simply are clueless about it because they have 100% focus on the ball.  I think the league needs to remind them they need to keep track of OOB players.

We've seen penalties for players running down the sidelines out of bounds and then coming back in resulting in a penalty. Where they draw the line as to how long or how far a player can do that is less clear. However it is a fact.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 01:48:06 PMWe've seen penalties for players running down the sidelines out of bounds and then coming back in resulting in a penalty. Where they draw the line as to how long or how far a player can do that is less clear. However it is a fact.

True, but were they pushed out first?

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 01, 2026, 10:32:34 PMTrue, but were they pushed out first?

Either way, they can't run 15 yards downfield out of bounds and then come back into the field of play. That has actually happened and a penalty called. I deleted the PVR for this game so can't remember the exact situation.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2026, 01:48:06 PMWe've seen penalties for players running down the sidelines out of bounds and then coming back in resulting in a penalty. Where they draw the line as to how long or how far a player can do that is less clear. However it is a fact.

It might make it more egregious or obvious (thus easier to call), but TB is right: the rule book doesn't care/mention about how long you're OOB.  And it does clearly mention the "re-establish" part and the "out because of contact with another player" part.

If you ever remember what game it is, and it's a WPG game, I can track it down to check it out.  I don't recall that particular tidbit... though I do recall a handful of IP calls in the last decade.  Maybe this is something the good refs notice more and the noobs & incompetents don't.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 01, 2026, 01:41:47 PMIt's down to what "re-establish" means. Is it one foot in the field of play? Is it both feet? Without a definition in the rule book, it could mean either to neither.

To me it almost means come back in, stop, then continue play.  To me it certainly does not mean "lunge from the sideline and the same motion has you tackling the carrier".

To me it seems like the refs (won't mention which favorite one was there at the time!) are completely oblivious to the fact someone is on the rail.  It's not that they're debating in their heads at the time "is he re-established enough?", it's that they don't even know he's out!

Quote from: Tecno on July 02, 2026, 07:08:19 AMIt might make it more egregious or obvious (thus easier to call), but TB is right: the rule book doesn't care/mention about how long you're OOB.  And it does clearly mention the "re-establish" part and the "out because of contact with another player" part.

If you ever remember what game it is, and it's a WPG game, I can track it down to check it out.  I don't recall that particular tidbit... though I do recall a handful of IP calls in the last decade.  Maybe this is something the good refs notice more and the noobs & incompetents don't.

Re-establish is a grey area which makes it less clear.

Quote from: Tecno on July 02, 2026, 07:10:53 AMTo me it almost means come back in, stop, then continue play.  To me it certainly does not mean "lunge from the sideline and the same motion has you tackling the carrier".

To me it seems like the refs (won't mention which favorite one was there at the time!) are completely oblivious to the fact someone is on the rail.  It's not that they're debating in their heads at the time "is he re-established enough?", it's that they don't even know he's out!

It was never meant to mean stop then continue play. Going out of bounds means any part of the body is out of bounds. "Back in bounds" could mean that in the reverse. 

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 02, 2026, 02:26:02 PMIt was never meant to mean stop then continue play. Going out of bounds means any part of the body is out of bounds. "Back in bounds" could mean that in the reverse.

But wouldn't you agree you can't lunge from OOB and tackle a guy running down the rail??

Yes, the CFL should clarify this, and do a better job making the rules less ambiguous.  I'm curious what the guys here who have previous ref experience, or know refs and can ask, would say about this.

Quote from: Tecno on July 03, 2026, 12:45:14 AMBut wouldn't you agree you can't lunge from OOB and tackle a guy running down the rail??

Yes, the CFL should clarify this, and do a better job making the rules less ambiguous.  I'm curious what the guys here who have previous ref experience, or know refs and can ask, would say about this.

I'd absolutely agree that you can't push off from OOB, but 1 foot in is fine.