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what it cost vs what  we got

more a poll for the consideration for the value of draft picks give up vs Brown's value vs. If you like it or not

OTT needed to shed before getting the QB they really wanted.  Price could have been lower.  2RDP+3RDP would have been better.  And we still get our 25-snaps 2nd 2RDP.

I believe Dru is better than MBT and he will fit into our system and give us a legit backup when we need an insurance policy, even if we may not need to cash it in.  We win.

If the first-round pick is late, then yeah, I like it for us. If it's early (1-4) then...ehhhh we will see. Really too much at play to be able to judge the trade at all (as someone who hated it at first).

Quote from: kkc60 on June 24, 2026, 01:42:49 PMIf the first-round pick is late, then yeah, I like it for us. If it's early (1-4) then...ehhhh we will see. Really too much at play to be able to judge the trade at all (as someone who hated it at first).

Sounds like someone is coming around

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 24, 2026, 01:45:45 PMSounds like someone is coming around

no. I am saying that it could be a great trade or a terrible trade. I'm just over balking at the price, I'll keep my pompoms in the drawer until Brown is our long-term QB1 (and playing like a top 4 QB)

Quote from: kkc60 on June 24, 2026, 01:48:02 PMno. I am saying that it could be a great trade or a terrible trade. I'm just over balking at the price, I'll keep my pompoms in the drawer until Brown is our long-term QB1 (and playing like a top 4 QB)

I believe you are starting to see the potential positive side of a trade which I agree came at a price.  Yesterday you were more emotional about it and one sided in this regard imo.  I see Dru as a middle of a pack QB.  Top 4 isn't realistic unless a weaker QB group at that time.

The thing is if Zac doesn't return . What are our options,
Elgersma has potential but completely unknown as to how he will develop
Perkins is serviceable but thats it
Rourke, Harris,BLM Kelly, Davis, etc aren't moving here.
Finding a starting quality qb is very hard

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 24, 2026, 01:49:24 PMI believe you are starting to see the potential positive side of a trade which I agree came at a price.  Yesterday you were more emotional about it and one sided in this regard imo.  I see Dru as a middle of a pack QB.  Top 4 isn't realistic unless a weaker QB group at that time.

No, there are still multiple unanswered questions regarding the trade. Just I am going to let it play out before bemoaning it too much (or fanboying it too much). You don't know me so don't try to psychoanalyze me. Stick to football.

Also, surprised you don't think Brown could be a top 4 QB.

Quote from: kkc60 on June 24, 2026, 02:49:38 PMNo, there are still multiple unanswered questions regarding the trade. Just I am going to let it play out before bemoaning it too much (or fanboying it too much). You don't know me so don't try to psychoanalyze me. Stick to football.

Also, surprised you don't think Brown could be a top 4 QB.

Could in a weaker field.  I see as average best guess.  Always been  Brown supporter but his injuries will impact his ceiling now.

I am sticking to football, yesterday you were hard core against the trade now I see a person on the fence based on your comments and tone, seen others do the same.  I believe many are digesting the news.

Dru Brown is a risk...draft picks are risks...it's a wash at this point.  Zach goes down in the Grey Cup and Brown comes in and scores the game winning TD then we win the trade...he breaks his leg on his first play - we lose.

WFC is betting that our pick will be very late, and Ott's 2nd rounder will be very early.  So only a few spots at most.  And the second pick is conditional.

Not a huge price to pay, unless we are last in the league, and Ott wins the GC.

Quote from: theaardvark on June 24, 2026, 05:11:10 PMWFC is betting that our pick will be very late, and Ott's 2nd rounder will be very early.  So only a few spots at most.  And the second pick is conditional.

Not a huge price to pay, unless we are last in the league, and Ott wins the GC.

My understanding is that the second round pick we get back is actually our own second round pick that we previously traded to Ottawa.
We give them our 2027 first round pick.
And the 2028 second round pick that we send to them is conditional, but the condition is that it is upgraded to our first round pick in 2028 if Dru plays enough for us in 2027.
So not quite as good as you think, but still worth it IMO.

The 'known' quantity is Dru Brown...all others involved in the deal are conjecture and unknowns.... As of now we win ...  Short sighted?? maybe but I've always been someone who likes the bird in hand rather than the two in the bush

Quote from: bunker on June 24, 2026, 05:44:48 PMMy understanding is that the second round pick we get back is actually our own second round pick that we previously traded to Ottawa.
We give them our 2027 first round pick.
And the 2028 second round pick that we send to them is conditional, but the condition is that it is upgraded to our first round pick in 2028 if Dru plays enough for us in 2027.
So not quite as good as you think, but still worth it IMO.

Was that original draft pick from the Dante Daniels move in the draft?

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 24, 2026, 08:19:57 PMWas that original draft pick from the Dante Daniels move in the draft?

Yes.

Draft picks are a crap shoot. I have no idea why Dinwiddie didn't go with Brown, the obvious choice as the #1 Qb in Ottawa, but Maier is going nowhere there, ditto for MBT, but that's their problem not ours.

If Zach Collaros got hurt next game, Dru Brown will run our offense no problem. He knows the CFL game far better than Perkins, so while its a loss, if its between Perkins or Brown, I take Brown all day long.

Things just got waaay better in Bomberville!! We went from Strevy as our #2 to Brown, unbelievable really!!

Quote from: dd on June 24, 2026, 10:24:31 PMIf Zach Collaros got hurt next game, Dru Brown will run our offense no problem. He knows the CFL game far better than Perkins, so while its a loss, if its between Perkins or Brown, I take Brown all day long.

He's worked with Condell before too. Very short learning curve here.

Quote from: bunker on June 24, 2026, 05:44:48 PMAnd the 2028 second round pick that we send to them is conditional, but the condition is that it is upgraded to our first round pick in 2028 if Dru plays enough for us in 2027.
So not quite as good as you think, but still worth it IMO.

Where did you hear our conditional can be upgraded to a 2028 1RDP?? that's news to me. That would be horrible, although that could be proof we plan on Zach playing in 2027.

I lamented our dire OL pipeline situation. If we lose the first in both years that could really put us in a bind.

We used to regularly pick ol in early draft rounds. Haven't in years, and it shows.

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:32:18 AMWhere did you hear our conditional can be upgraded to a 2028 1RDP?? that's news to me. That would be horrible, although that could be proof we plan on Zach playing in 2027.

I lamented our dire OL pipeline situation. If we lose the first in both years that could really put us in a bind.

We used to regularly pick ol in early draft rounds. Haven't in years, and it shows.

I think if possible, they will need to spend big bucks in FA on Canadians. They should've a little while ago. Crazy how quickly we went from the best OL in the league to probably bottom 3 (especially in run blocking)

Quote from: dd on June 24, 2026, 10:24:31 PMDraft picks are a crap shoot. I have no idea why Dinwiddie didn't go with Brown, the obvious choice as the #1 Qb in Ottawa, but Maier is going nowhere there, ditto for MBT, but that's their problem not ours.

If Zach Collaros got hurt next game, Dru Brown will run our offense no problem. He knows the CFL game far better than Perkins, so while its a loss, if its between Perkins or Brown, I take Brown all day long.

Things just got waaay better in Bomberville!! We went from Strevy as our #2 to Brown, unbelievable really!!

The answer to "Why not Brown" is on Maier's Wiki page:

Dan Hawkins, Maier's head coach at UC Davis, mentioned to Maier that he could potentially flourish in the Canadian Football League. Following Maier's 2017 season at UC Davis, Hawkins reached out to Ryan Dinwiddie,[3] who had played quarterback for Hawkins at Boise State University from 2001 to 2003, and had been on Hawkins' coaching staff with the Montreal Alouettes in 2013.[4] Hawkins told Dinwiddie, who was coaching quarterbacks with the Calgary Stampeders at the time, "you'd better put this kid on your [negotiation] list cause he's legit. He's got the 'it' factor. He has what I call the 'rage to master.'"[3] The Stampeders added Maier to their negotiation list in 2018.[3]

On May 5, 2020, after completing his college career, Maier signed with the Calgary Stampeders.[5] However, he did not play that year due to the cancellation of the 2020 CFL season.

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:32:18 AMWe used to regularly pick ol in early draft rounds. Haven't in years, and it shows.

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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 25, 2026, 02:30:06 PM(https://media.tenor.com/kmaH_jidTt0AAAAM/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson.gif)

:D

Quote from: kkc60 on June 25, 2026, 02:07:08 PMI think if possible, they will need to spend big bucks in FA on Canadians. They should've a little while ago. Crazy how quickly we went from the best OL in the league to probably bottom 3 (especially in run blocking)

We have a retooled OL, it's ranking is unknown at this time.  while yes it used to a pillar of our club, I don't think you are giving them enough time to determine how good this group is and how it ranks in the CFL.  We will know by mid season.  Gut tells me it will be a middle pack OL that only strengthens over the season (if healthy).

game 1 good run game
game 2 terrible run game

sample size insufficient to claim we are bottom 3 imo

Quote from: kkc60 on June 25, 2026, 02:07:08 PMI think if possible, they will need to spend big bucks in FA on Canadians. They should've a little while ago. Crazy how quickly we went from the best OL in the league to probably bottom 3 (especially in run blocking)

The only thing behind Vibert at this time is 2 or 3 draft picks wasting away pursuing NFL dreams.  When is it going to register with these players that less than 5% will be lucky to catch a ride on a PR merry-go-round that spins fast and spits them out if they did not play for a big NCAA school.

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:32:18 AMWhere did you hear our conditional can be upgraded to a 2028 1RDP?? that's news to me. That would be horrible, although that could be proof we plan on Zach playing in 2027.

I lamented our dire OL pipeline situation. If we lose the first in both years that could really put us in a bind.

We used to regularly pick ol in early draft rounds. Haven't in years, and it shows.

Since we took Labatte in the first round in 2008:

2012 Ty Pencer
(Walters takes over)
2014 Mathias Goossen
2015 Suk Chungh
2016 Couture (2nd pick, 2nd round)
2017 Gray (2nd pick, 1st round 9th overall, Ekakite first overall)
2019 Dejarlais
2021 Dobson

Yes, Walters rebuilt a crap oline by picking OL first or second for 6 of his first 8 years.  Looks like his focus has changed, though.

For me it's a no brainer.....we win the trade and get a proven CFL commodity back that we invested several years developing behind Zach.   Zach is most likely in the final stages of his career and what an opportunity for Dru to have him as a mentor before Zach hangs them up!   Big win for the Bombers and as far as Dinwiddie and the RBs are concerned....good luck with Maier and MBT as your #1 and #2 QBs!

Quote from: Tecno on June 25, 2026, 01:32:18 AMWhere did you hear our conditional can be upgraded to a 2028 1RDP?? that's news to me. That would be horrible, although that could be proof we plan on Zach playing in 2027.

I lamented our dire OL pipeline situation. If we lose the first in both years that could really put us in a bind.

We used to regularly pick ol in early draft rounds. Haven't in years, and it shows.

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/article/brown-trade-solves-problems-for-bombers-and-redblacks/

Naylor

Quote from: theaardvark on June 25, 2026, 08:21:33 PMSince we took Labatte in the first round in 2008:

2012 Ty Pencer
(Walters takes over)
2014 Mathias Goossen
2015 Suk Chungh
2016 Couture (2nd pick, 2nd round)
2017 Gray (2nd pick, 1st round 9th overall, Ekakite first overall)
2019 Dejarlais
2021 Dobson

Thanks Aards.  You saved me 20 mins of research to complement my memory, and clearly your memory was better than some others!  It's even more than I remembered!  I had forgotten The Goose.

@blue_gold_84 & @GOLDMEMBER, you want to rethink that lame gif?  Consider this your heapful of Told You So.

And yes, the fact that our high-pick drafting stopped in '21 is the reason our OL can't run block to save its life, needs 3 IMPs, and has zero starter-material depth.

It's a good list. I'd like to see the list of OL we have lost to free agency. Finally this year we got one ourselves in Broxton but he is an import.

Cdn draft
Nkanu ( we traded down to get Clercius and Ike)

Fortin. and Carson  We selected Shay

Any of the above would have been better than who we selected. And with not having a 1st round pick next year its not gonna improve. Also i think Wallace is s free agent after this year.

Quote from: Tecno on June 26, 2026, 07:44:24 AMThanks Aards.  You saved me 20 mins of research to complement my memory, and clearly your memory was better than some others!  It's even more than I remembered!  I had forgotten The Goose.

@blue_gold_84 & @GOLDMEMBER, you want to rethink that lame gif?  Consider this your heapful of Told You So.

And yes, the fact that our high-pick drafting stopped in '21 is the reason our OL can't run block to save its life, needs 3 IMPs, and has zero starter-material depth.

And cue another unhinged overreaction at 3 am. :-\

Looking at the Bombers' draft selections since Walters became GM, the results in the first four rounds appear mixed:

(bold denotes active with the Bombers, * denotes active with another team, ^ denotes inactive/retired, )

2014
first round: 2 - Goossen^ (OL)
second round: 17 - Briggs^ (LB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 29 - Jones^ (DB)

2015
first round: 2 - Chungh^ (OL)
second round: 11 - Richards^ (WR), 15 - Morgan^ (DB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 33 - Normand^ (RB/FB)

2016
first round: 9 - Corney^ (DL)
second round: 10 - Couture* (OL)
third round: 19 - Loffler^ (DB)
fourth round: 28 - Gauthier^ (LB)

2017
first round: 1 - Ekakitie^ (DL), 8 - Gray^ (OL)
second round: 15 - Spooner^ (OL)
third round: 23 - Conteh^ (DB)
fourth round: 34 - Menard-Briere^ (K)

2018
first round: N/A
second round: 12 - Simonise^ (WR)
third round: 26 - Petermann^ (WR)
fourth round: 33 - Gendron-Dumouchel^ (OL)

2019
first round: 4 - Desjarlais* (OL), 5 - Kongbo* (DL)
second round: 14 - Oliveira (RB)
third round: 25 - Griffiths^ (DL)
fourth round: 34 - Eli (OL)

2020
first round: N/A
second round: 18 - Hallett^ (DB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 37 - O'Leary-Orange* (WR)

2021
first round: 3 - Dobson* (OL)
second round: 16 - Kramdi (DB)
third round: 21 - Rene* (DB)
fourth round: 34 - Lowes^ (LB)

2022
first round: N/A
second round: 13 - Ford* (DB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 38 - Adamson^ (DB)

2023
first round: 8 - Bennett^ (DL)
second round: 15 - Kelly (DB)
third round: 26 - Murphy^ (WR)
fourth round: 35 - Schmekel (DL)

2024
first round: N/A
second round: 17 - Wallace (OL)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 37 - Leroux (LS)

2025
first round: 6 - Shay (LB)
second round: 15 - Smith (LB), 18 - Elgersma (QB)
third round: 27 - Vibert (OL)
fourth round: N/A

2026
first round: 4 - Gatkuoth (DL)
second round: 10 - Daniels (TE), 20 - Cline (OL)
third round: 24 - Bouliane (LB)
fourth round: 33 - Stuart (DB)

Walters' methodology seems pretty consistent: draft the best available at positions of need.

Kudos to @theaardvark and his rudimentary work, but I'm not sure how it supports your outlandish claims.

Do I want to rethink the lame silly .gif I posted?

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First of all, your silly rude memes need to be banned. Secondly, your copy/paste proves Aadvark's (and others) point is entirely probably valid: Walters needs to go back to prioritizing the offensive line. We haven't drafted an OL with a first round pick in FIVE years and only ONE since 2020. The interior struggled last night and for the majority of 2025.

well that first round pick could be 2-3 overall if this is the best the team can do

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 26, 2026, 03:50:26 PMFirst of all, your silly rude memes need to be banned. Secondly, your copy/paste proves Aadvark's (and others) point is entirely probably valid: Walters needs to go back to prioritizing the offensive line. We haven't drafted an OL with a first round pick in FIVE years and only ONE since 2020. The interior struggled last night and for the majority of 2025.

If you're so offended by such innocuous things, feel free to report my post.

You state that a point is probably valid but then fail to explain how. Who would you have preferred to see get drafted in the last five years in the OL class? It's easier to draft coveted OL prospects when you're drafting higher up, but that hasn't really been an option for this team in recent years on account of its sustained success.

Poring through the Bombers' draft picks with Walters as GM, the team has drafted 12 OL out of 47 total selections going back to 2014.

Broxton was a solid addition this past off-season, but losing players to free agency recently has been an issue (see Hardrick, Dobson, Couture), and the unit itself has some key pieces that are aging out (Bryant, Neufeld).

Prioritizing the O-line and addressing its struggles takes a whole lot more than just drafting, IMO.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 26, 2026, 02:29:33 PMAnd cue another unhinged overreaction at 3 am. :-\

Looking at the Bombers' draft selections since Walters became GM, the results in the first four rounds appear mixed:

(bold denotes active with the Bombers, * denotes active with another team, ^ denotes inactive/retired, )

2014
first round: 2 - Goossen^ (OL)
second round: 17 - Briggs^ (LB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 29 - Jones^ (DB)

2015
first round: 2 - Chungh^ (OL)
second round: 11 - Richards^ (WR), 15 - Morgan^ (DB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 33 - Normand^ (RB/FB)

2016
first round: 9 - Corney^ (DL)
second round: 10 - Couture* (OL)
third round: 19 - Loffler^ (DB)
fourth round: 28 - Gauthier^ (LB)

2017
first round: 1 - Ekakitie^ (DL), 8 - Gray^ (OL)
second round: 15 - Spooner^ (OL)
third round: 23 - Conteh^ (DB)
fourth round: 34 - Menard-Briere^ (K)

2018
first round: N/A
second round: 12 - Simonise^ (WR)
third round: 26 - Petermann^ (WR)
fourth round: 33 - Gendron-Dumouchel^ (OL)

2019
first round: 4 - Desjarlais* (OL), 5 - Kongbo* (DL)
second round: 14 - Oliveira (RB)
third round: 25 - Griffiths^ (DL)
fourth round: 34 - Eli (OL)

2020
first round: N/A
second round: 18 - Hallett^ (DB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 37 - O'Leary-Orange* (WR)

2021
first round: 3 - Dobson* (OL)
second round: 16 - Kramdi (DB)
third round: 21 - Rene* (DB)
fourth round: 34 - Lowes^ (LB)

2022
first round: N/A
second round: 13 - Ford* (DB)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 38 - Adamson^ (DB)

2023
first round: 8 - Bennett^ (DL)
second round: 15 - Kelly (DB)
third round: 26 - Murphy^ (WR)
fourth round: 35 - Schmekel (DL)

2024
first round: N/A
second round: 17 - Wallace (OL)
third round: N/A
fourth round: 37 - Leroux (LS)

2025
first round: 6 - Shay (LB)
second round: 15 - Smith (LB), 18 - Elgersma (QB)
third round: 27 - Vibert (OL)
fourth round: N/A

2026
first round: 4 - Gatkuoth (DL)
second round: 10 - Daniels (TE), 20 - Cline (OL)
third round: 24 - Bouliane (LB)
fourth round: 33 - Stuart (DB)

Walters' methodology seems pretty consistent: draft the best available at positions of need.

Kudos to @theaardvark and his rudimentary work, but I'm not sure how it supports your outlandish claims.

Do I want to rethink the lame silly .gif I posted?

Somehow you missed Giovanni Manu, the Bombers fifth round draft pick form the 2024 draft, currently with the Detroit Lions. I predict Manu and Kelvin Cline will be showing up to reinforce the CDN content on the O-line by next year if not this season.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 05:16:52 PMSomehow you missed Giovanni Manu, the Bombers fifth round draft pick form the 2024 draft, currently with the Detroit Lions. I predict Manu and Kelvin Cline will be showing up to reinforce the CDN content on the O-line by next year if not this season.

Yes.  It seems that Walters switched to taking late round, higher end prospects with questionable CFL interest rather than early less ceiling sure CFL Oline.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 26, 2026, 04:51:43 PMIf you're so offended by such innocuous things, feel free to report my post.

You state that a point is probably valid but then fail to explain how. Who would you have preferred to see get drafted in the last five years in the OL class? It's easier to draft coveted OL prospects when you're drafting higher up, but that hasn't really been an option for this team in recent years on account of its sustained success.

Poring through the Bombers' draft picks with Walters as GM, the team has drafted 12 OL out of 47 total selections going back to 2014.

Broxton was a solid addition this past off-season, but losing players to free agency recently has been an issue (see Hardrick, Dobson, Couture), and the unit itself has some key pieces that are aging out (Bryant, Neufeld).

Prioritizing the O-line and addressing its struggles takes a whole lot more than just drafting, IMO.

I'm not going to and I don't care if no one else does,

Quote from: Pete on June 26, 2026, 02:29:12 PMCdn draft
Nkanu ( we traded down to get Clercius and Ike)

Fortin. and Carson  We selected Shay

Any of the above would have been better than who we selected. And with not having a 1st round pick next year its not gonna improve. Also i think Wallace is s free agent after this year.

They can't let Wallace get away, he's going to attain legendary status if he can remain healthy, he's an absolute beast.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 26, 2026, 05:16:52 PMSomehow you missed Giovanni Manu, the Bombers fifth round draft pick form the 2024 draft, currently with the Detroit Lions. I predict Manu and Kelvin Cline will be showing up to reinforce the CDN content on the O-line by next year if not this season.

I opted to cover just the first four rounds of each draft, so thanks for mentioning him. I'll admit I don't know how he's faring in the NFL, but I'm sure he'd be welcome addition to this team.

How can anyone say if we won or lost the Brown trade before he plays a down?

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 26, 2026, 05:56:29 PMHow can anyone say if we won or lost the Brown trade before he plays a down?

...Or how close to #1 the first rounder becomes.

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 26, 2026, 05:56:29 PMHow can anyone say if we won or lost the Brown trade before he plays a down?

Agree.

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 26, 2026, 05:56:29 PMHow can anyone say if we won or lost the Brown trade before he plays a down?

It speculation and opinion...like 99% of the content on this board.

I for one think we one the trade. Draft picks are at best a crap shoot. In Brown we got a gun slinger who can and likely will succeed Collaros, so we have our future #1 Qb in house right now.

I think he got a raw deal in Ottawa. They were terribly coached and lacked talent to be competitive. Jake Maier is going to be a disaster there just like he was in Calgary, and MBT will fair no better as he's had years to prove himself and all he does is get yanked, and we scooped Brown, perfect.

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 26, 2026, 05:56:29 PMHow can anyone say if we won or lost the Brown trade before he plays a down?

It's at this time, we can revist each year if we want

Quote from: Pigskin on June 26, 2026, 08:11:51 PMAgree.

Disagree

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 26, 2026, 05:56:29 PMHow can anyone say if we won or lost the Brown trade before he plays a down?

We're not asking whether he will be good or not to see if we won the trade. The question is the price. 2 first rounders is very steep indeed.

Looking at only the price, one would have to conclude dru will not only start eventually but be as good as Alexander and Rourke. And I'm pretty sure dru's ceiling is maybe a bit above matt Nichols.

So by that calculus I say we lost the trade. Especially when you factor in we could have got him for less. The only way I'd change my mind is if Zach misses many games and dru manages to win over 500, AND we're still in contention for a deep playoff run.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 26, 2026, 02:29:33 PMAnd cue another unhinged overreaction at 3 am. :-\

LOL, you haven't figured out yet that I'm up all night every night?  3am is like noon for me.  There ain't no unhinged coming from over here.  If you want unhinged, you need to catch me at 9am.

I'm not quite sure you even understand what's going on here.

Here's my quote, which you quoted:

We used to regularly pick ol in early draft rounds. Haven't in years, and it shows.

Let's define "early draft rounds" as round 1 or 2, sound fair?  Include the 25-snap supplemental draft if you like.  <check>

Now look again at Aard's handy list (thank Aards).  Let's define "used to regularly pick".  Aards shows 6 top picks in 7 years.  Ya, that fits "regularly".  <check>

And the coup de grace, it's been 5 years since Dobson.  Not a single "early draft round" pick of OL by us in the whole stretch of 2022-now: 5 straight drafts in a row.  Does that fit "haven't in years"?  Sure does.  <check>

So unless you have no understanding of English and logic, go post a snarky meme to yourself.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 26, 2026, 02:29:33 PMLooking at the Bombers' draft selections since Walters became GM, the results in the first four rounds appear mixed:

I have no idea whatsoever what your nice little list of non-OL DPs is supposed to be proving.  But it certainly has zero to do with my statement, which you quoted.

If you're trying to say the 2014-2021 OL DPs were mixed... uh, I don't know what to tell you.  Every last one was a very good starter for us, many in year 1.  2 retired early and the rest went on to massive $$ and success in FA.  And all but 1 of those is still playing at a high level.

In fact, as an aside, most of our OL DPs up until '21 were so good that they overshadow all of our NAT OL since.  If you had Desjar Couture Dobson as your interior right now, you'd be the best OL by a mile.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 26, 2026, 02:29:33 PMWalters' methodology seems pretty consistent: draft the best available at positions of need.

That's all well and good, and your list is interesting, but it literally has nothing to do with what I posted, and what you quoted, about the change in how we handle OL drafting.  And that's what you snark-memed at me.

Maybe you should have tried arguing the merits rather than posting a childish drawing.  Because maybe you had an interesting, legitimate, divergent line of conversation to proffer.  But now, no one cares.

Quote from: Tecno on Today at 08:28:19 AMBut now, no one cares.

The rest of your snide and defensive reply seems to contradict that.

I hope you can lighten up a bit and enjoy the weekend.

Quote from: Tecno on Today at 06:57:50 AMWe're not asking whether he will be good or not to see if we won the trade. The question is the price. 2 first rounders is very steep indeed.

I thought the price was a steal. We don't lose the 1st rounder for nothing, we got back Ott's 2nd rounder which currently is pick #10 overall. Likely gonna stay that way too.

The other pick is conditional which if Brown does well, no one will mind.