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Title: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on June 17, 2026, 05:13:10 AM
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Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on June 17, 2026, 05:13:19 AM
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Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on June 17, 2026, 05:13:48 AM
Edmonton Elks plug offensive line gap with American rookie
by 3Down Staff  June 19, 2026

The Edmonton Elks will start three Americans along the offensive line against the Montreal Alouettes on Saturday.

Canadian right guard Coulter Woodmansey, who joined the team as a high-priced addition this offseason, has been placed on the six-game injured list after hurting his knee in the opener. Rather than replace him with veteran Mark Korte, who remains on the roster as a backup and boasts 107 career CFL starts, the Elks have activated American rookie Cameron Carter.

The 28-year-old played his college football at Murray State University before catching on with the spring football circuit. He has played for the Michigan Panthers (UFL), Houston Roughnecks (UFL), and the New Jersey Generals (USFL), making 18 starts in 25 games.

The Elks have also lost Global linebacker Eteva Mauga-Clements (clavicle) to the six-game injured list, while American defensive tackle Tomari Fox (elbow) has been placed on the one-game injured list. Canadian Francis Bemiy and Global Richard Jibunor have been added to the defensive line as a result.

The Edmonton Elks (1-0) will host the Montreal Alouettes (2-0) at Commonwealth Stadium on Saturday, June 20, with kickoff scheduled for 4:00 p.m. EDT. The Alouettes are coming off an impressive win over the Toronto Argonauts, while the Elks spent Week 2 on bye.

The weather forecast in Edmonton calls for a high of 18 degrees and a 60 percent chance of showers. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on TSN 690 (English) or 99.5 Montreal (French) in Montreal or 880 CHED in Edmonton.

https://3downnation.com/2026/06/19/edmonton-elks-plug-offensive-line-gap-with-american-rookie/
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on June 17, 2026, 05:13:58 AM
Montreal Alouettes without Tyrice Beverette against Elks
by 3Down Staff  June 19, 2026

The Montreal Alouettes will be without weak-side linebacker Tyrice Beverette when they visit the Edmonton Elks on Saturday. The team issued its official depth chart on Friday morning.

The 31-year-old is dealing with a neck injury and has been moved to the one-game injured list. He was a limited participant in practice on Wednesday and a non-participant on Tuesday and Thursday.

Beverette made six defensive tackles and one sack during the team's first two regular-season games. He was named All-CFL in each of his last two seasons, and received the East Division's nomination for Most Outstanding Defensive Player in 2024.

Over 96 career regular-season CFL games, Beverette has made 352 defensive tackles, 84 special teams tackles, 21 sacks, nine forced fumbles, seven interceptions, and two touchdowns.

Geoffrey Cantin-Arku will start in Beverette's place, shifting over from middle linebacker. Micah Awe, who was a full-time starter with the B.C. Lions in 2025, will start for Cantin-Arku at middle linebacker.

Kaseem Ferdinand will start at slotback in place of Jerreth Sterns, who has been placed on the six-game injured list (hand). The five-foot-ten, 180-pound native of Ottawa recently rejoined the Alouettes after dressing for four regular-season games in 2025. He was named a second-team U Sports All-Canadian at Carleton University in 2024.

Najee Murray has returned from the one-game injured list to start at strong-side linebacker. The 33-year-old has made 244 defensive tackles, six special teams tackles, nine interceptions, three sacks, and two forced fumbles over 67 career regular-season games, all with the Alouettes.

Daniel Wise will start at defensive tackle alongside Mustafa Johnson, replacing Decarius Hawthorne. The six-foot-three, 279-pound defender played 17 regular-season games with the Washington Commanders in 2021 and 2022, recording 11 tackles. He was also a member of the Dallas Cowboys, Arizona Cardinals, and Kansas City Chiefs. Hawthorne has been moved to the practice roster.

Terique Owens and Kori Roberson Jr. have been promoted from the practice roster into depth roles. Owens, a receiver, is the son of Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee Terrell Owens. Roberson Jr., who dressed for seven regular-season games last year, will be a backup behind Wise.

Mario Alford will handle Montreal's return duties following the release of Phillip Brooks. The 34-year-old attended training camp with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats but was cut after the team's first preseason game to make room for Isaiah Wooden Sr. Alford previously played for the Alouettes before a long stint with the Saskatchewan Roughriders. He was named the CFL's Most Outstanding Special Teams Player in 2022.

Riley MacLeod, a Canadian linebacker out of Western University, has been moved to the practice roster. He made one special teams tackle in last week's won over the Toronto Argonauts.

The Montreal Alouettes (2-0) will visit the Edmonton Elks (1-0) at Commonwealth Stadium on Saturday, June 20 with kickoff scheduled for 4:00 p.m. EDT. The Alouettes are coming off an impressive win over the Toronto Argonauts, while the Elks spent Week 2 on bye.

The weather forecast in Edmonton calls for a high of 18 degrees and a 60 percent chance of showers. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune in on TSN 690 (English) or 99.5 Montreal (French) in Montreal or 880 CHED in Edmonton.

https://3downnation.com/2026/06/19/montreal-alouettes-without-tyrice-beverette-against-elks/
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on June 19, 2026, 05:44:43 PM
depth charts posted
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 19, 2026, 10:29:46 PM
Massive changes in MTL, but really only Beverette matters.  Sterns was good last week but is replaceable.  They still have more than enough firepower.  But like every MTL game, it all hinges on Alexander's hammy/knee holding up!  I'm betting it won't all season!  The only question is which game does it give out?

EDM is becoming very much the wildcard: the crazy cousin.  They might show up completely wasted, or they are a berzerker.  The roster looks good on paper and many, including TSN pundits, say Rankin is the best RB in the league.  Ya, they "only" have Cody, and that's a huge detriment, but he can game manage like Nichols and be good enough if he doesn't hand the ball over.

So while everyone thinks MTL runs away with it, this one may have the highest likelihood of being a shocker.  Problem is, you can't really win money or pickems this way.  You basically have to go with the conventional wisdom.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: jdrattops on June 20, 2026, 01:48:48 PM
Quote from: Tecno on June 19, 2026, 10:29:46 PMMassive changes in MTL, but really only Beverette matters.  Sterns was good last week but is replaceable.  They still have more than enough firepower.  But like every MTL game, it all hinges on Alexander's hammy/knee holding up!  I'm betting it won't all season!  The only question is which game does it give out?

EDM is becoming very much the wildcard: the crazy cousin.  They might show up completely wasted, or they are a berzerker.  The roster looks good on paper and many, including TSN pundits, say Rankin is the best RB in the league.  Ya, they "only" have Cody, and that's a huge detriment, but he can game manage like Nichols and be good enough if he doesn't hand the ball over.

So while everyone thinks MTL runs away with it, this one may have the highest likelihood of being a shocker.  Problem is, you can't really win money or pickems this way.  You basically have to go with the conventional wisdom.

The Als have the IT factor, and the Elks are the Elks.  I'm not sold on Kilam as a head coach either, he's still a few years away.  Maas goes into his old stomping grounds and the Als do the stomping.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 08:11:16 PM
ole ole ole ole

go als go
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 08:13:18 PM
did they just say the elks are above .500 for the first time since 2019??

and they are 1-0.  lol
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 09:52:24 PM
edmonton remembered they had Rankin
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 09:52:24 PMedmonton remembered they had Rankin
He's a real weapon. The speed to break it outside and his breakaway speed downfield gives Elks another dimension to their running game.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 10:19:29 PM
Rankin does it again. Having an amazing game.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 10:40:48 PM
sloppy football in the rain by montreal
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 10:52:22 PM
great catch by snead in a monsoon
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 10:52:22 PMgreat catch by snead in a monsoon
Yes it was
Game is not over
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 11:03:50 PM
Looks like catch to me
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 11:06:10 PM
lil conservative imo
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 11:07:16 PM
great snag by the holder on that fg

i would have liked to see a shot to the end zone
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 11:09:50 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 11:07:16 PMgreat snag by the holder on that fg

i would have liked to see a shot to the end zone
Agree
You're already in range
If you can't find someone open, throw it away and take the FG
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 11:13:55 PM
jose

jose

jose

rankin may rumble here
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: barbk on June 20, 2026, 11:15:26 PM
I thought Montreal touched it last
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 11:15:45 PM
That's incredibly close
Seems like both teams touched so probably won't over rule
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 11:16:11 PM
crazy in the rain.

i don't know who got it

Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 11:17:00 PM
Quote from: bunker on June 20, 2026, 11:15:45 PMThat's incredibly close
Seems like both teams touched so probably won't over rule

yah.  almost simultaneously

they gained yards too
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 11:17:33 PM
Smart play.
Gutsy win by the Elks
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 11:17:54 PM
the legend Faj

wow

bombers better be ready
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: bunker on June 20, 2026, 11:20:48 PM
CFL has been incredibly entertaining this year. Why was it we're changing the rules again?
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: J5V on June 21, 2026, 12:04:57 AM
If I pick the Als, you know the Elks win. Unreal. LOL!
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2026, 01:38:31 AM
Quote from: bunker on June 20, 2026, 11:20:48 PMCFL has been incredibly entertaining this year. Why was it we're changing the rules again?

To be honest, I think the rule changes have been a net positive so far. The 35 second play clock is good. The hard stop at 3:00 keeps more time for teams at the end.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 04:37:28 AM
Quote from: The Zipp on June 20, 2026, 08:13:18 PMdid they just say the elks are above .500 for the first time since 2019??

and they are 1-0.  lol

Talk about finding the sliver of a silver lining!  When it comes to EDM, you play up any positive you have.  Did you see those stands?  Yikes.  I didn't think it could get worse than last year.  Crowd in OTT was horrific too.  Though it looks like in EDM it was raining prior to the game.

Week 3 and attendance still bad.  When do we panic?
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: dd on June 21, 2026, 04:40:47 AM
QuoteTalk about finding the sliver of a silver lining!  When it comes to EDM, you play up any positive you have.  Did you see those stands?  Yikes.  I didn't think it could get worse than last year.  Crowd in OTT was horrific too.  Though it looks like in EDM it was raining prior to the game.

Week 3 and attendance still bad.  When do we panic?
calgarys attendance was brutal tonight as well.

and laugh all you want about Edmonton, but rankin is going to kill our defense next week


Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 05:06:06 AM
LOL, last play of Q1, Mack makes a sick catch.  First they DPI him with a jam that's hard enough to knock him down (semi-illegal IMHO), then the DB is screening his face from behind (definite DPI, but never called in CFL), and then the same DB turns his screen into a facemask tug (100% penalty).

Refs missed all of it.  There was an ad break right after and I thought EITS would auto-review and call a FM down, but they must have been out getting Tim's.

Also, Luther has screwed up many times so far.  Last game too.  I'm not sure why they keep trying with that guy.  And he's wasting an IMP spot.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 07:13:16 AM
Thorpe keeps forgetting he can't be on the field.  Taking yet another flag on the MTL bench.  2nd one this season.

This new rule (well, new enforcement) seems to be a real problem for him.  He gets way too far into the game and forgets where he is.

I'm glad Mafia is waaay cooler than that... and most of our coords sit up in the booth.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 07:29:19 AM
3Q6:47 That's a crackback block by Cody to spring Rankin.  He can't "forcibly" hit while running back towards his dead ball line.  I think it's "forcible enough" because he's clearly giving it his all (which isn't much).  And it doesn't matter that's partially moving laterally... he's still also heading back to his line.  It also doesn't matter that he doesn't use his hands (he sneakily uses his back) -- hands are not part of the rule.

a) Cody didn't have to do it, Rankin was going to dodge that guy anyhow.
b) Refs let it slide because it's a QB doing it, AND the splash play looks good on TV, and it would suck to call it back

Command reviews all TDs, and should have flagged it (but see (b) above) as it's a player safety issue.

Change my mind.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 09:17:24 AM
Uh, Theiss back in the game in O/T after *clear* being unconscious at the end of the 4th... shouldn't that be impossible nowadays?
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 09:28:30 AM
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2026, 01:38:31 AMTo be honest, I think the rule changes have been a net positive so far. The 35 second play clock is good. The hard stop at 3:00 keeps more time for teams at the end.

Uh, basically no one is complaining about the 2026 changes.  The real controversial changes are the 55 and the GPs.  That's it, that's all.  Don't straw man.

If Johnston comes out today and says "55 stays, and GPs stay at GL" then everyone is happy and we don't lose another 5% of butts in seats next season.  It's really that simple.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 09:35:19 AM
Is that infamous ref #22 I see?  The same pockmark-faced ref made 2 controversial calls in this game.  Two "ref conference" calls where clearly 2 refs have differing opinions.  And BOTH calls went EDM's way.  Forcing a command review where it's harder to overturn.  Hmmm.

As for the Rankin fumble, I think both players were touching it as it went out.  So now we have a conundrum: the rule book doesn't address that case.

I think the MTL guy had it "more" before it went out, and his facemask seemed to be on it as it went out.

But bummer Alexander's streak comes to an end TO GARBAGE-PAIL EDM.  :o  :o

The EDM guy kind of stole it away after it went out, but was probably touching it too.  So what do you do when both players are riding that ball out and neither has it in possession?

Look to the only other similar problem that the rule book addresses: simultaneous completion.  And in that case it goes to the O.  I suspect if they address this problem they will write the rule in a similar vein.  So in that sense I think command got it right.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Jesse on June 21, 2026, 01:20:34 PM
Quote from: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 09:28:30 AMUh, basically no one is complaining about the 2026 changes.  The real controversial changes are the 55 and the GPs.  That's it, that's all.  Don't straw man.

If Johnston comes out today and says "55 stays, and GPs stay at GL" then everyone is happy and we don't lose another 5% of butts in seats next season.  It's really that simple.


I've heard a few complaints about the "35 second clock" because of how they're doing it. It hasn't been what they said it was going to be at all. It's inconsistently started and still runs off 40-55 seconds per play. You still see examples of refs waiting to put the ball down and there's no 35 sec clock posted.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: TBURGESS on June 21, 2026, 02:32:24 PM
I hate the new rule that allows returners to watch the ball go through the end zone instead of having to play or give up a point. It's significantly reduced the kick/punt returns, which are some of the best plays in CFL football. 

The 35 second clock isn't as bad as I first thought it would be, but they have to make it more consistent. Sometimes they place the ball right away and sometimes with <10 seconds left. It's really affecting the kicking game. 
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: dd on June 21, 2026, 03:01:31 PM
To me, the whole 35 second clock thing is a sham. Like others have pointed out consistently inconsistent, so what's the difference between this and the refs starting the 20 second clock once the ball has been spotted ie the old way?! A big tado about nothing
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Jesse on June 21, 2026, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: TBURGESS on June 21, 2026, 02:32:24 PMI hate the new rule that allows returners to watch the ball go through the end zone instead of having to play or give up a point. It's significantly reduced the kick/punt returns, which are some of the best plays in CFL football.

The 35 second clock isn't as bad as I first thought it would be, but they have to make it more consistent. Sometimes they place the ball right away and sometimes with <10 seconds left. It's really affecting the kicking game.

I hate getting rid of the rouge, but I can't see this being the case. Teams would gladly give up the point for the field position every time. I don't see how this would affect a player returning a ball or not.

That said, getting moved up to the 40 is and has always been ridiculous.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: TBURGESS on June 21, 2026, 05:59:39 PM
Quote from: Jesse on June 21, 2026, 03:41:06 PMI hate getting rid of the rouge, but I can't see this being the case. Teams would gladly give up the point for the field position every time. I don't see how this would affect a player returning a ball or not.

That said, getting moved up to the 40 is and has always been ridiculous.
Paying a point to get the 40 is different than getting it for free. Those points become the difference between needing a 7 point and an 8 point TD or turning 2 FG's into 7 points. 
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2026, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 09:28:30 AMUh, basically no one is complaining about the 2026 changes.  The real
Quote from: Tecno on June 21, 2026, 09:28:30 AMUh, basically no one is complaining about the 2026 changes.  The real controversial changes are the 55 and the GPs.  That's it, that's all.  Don't straw man.

If Johnston comes out today and says "55 stays, and GPs stay at GL" then everyone is happy and we don't lose another 5% of butts in seats next season.  It's really that simple.

controversial changes are the 55 and the GPs.  That's it, that's all.  Don't straw man.

If Johnston comes out today and says "55 stays, and GPs stay at GL" then everyone is happy and we don't lose another 5% of butts in seats next season.  It's really that simple.


Not intending to mislead you, the changes next year are obviously different than this year. 100%

But it also fair to say that, so far, the tinkering they've done has been pretty successful if you ask me. That a good sign I think.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Jesse on June 21, 2026, 08:41:22 PM
Quote from: TBURGESS on June 21, 2026, 05:59:39 PMPaying a point to get the 40 is different than getting it for free. Those points become the difference between needing a 7 point and an 8 point TD or turning 2 FG's into 7 points.

That's true. It doesn't really change the fact that teams always gave up the point for the field position.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 22, 2026, 06:46:31 AM
Quote from: Jesse on June 21, 2026, 08:41:22 PMThat's true. It doesn't really change the fact that teams always gave up the point for the field position.

No, TBURGESS is right.  They gave up the point for FP most of the time.  But not all of the time.  For example, in the last 90 sec of a half many teams would try to not give up the point because they were confident they'd bleed the remaining clock in any event.  There were other scenarios, too.

There was a calculation going on the the ST coach, HC, and returner.

Now the calculation is much, much simpler -- and how that one returner this weekend botched it and came out to the 2 is beyond everyone.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 22, 2026, 06:50:26 AM
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2026, 07:00:08 PMBut it also fair to say that, so far, the tinkering they've done has been pretty successful if you ask me. That a good sign I think.

I'm totally fine with any tinkering that doesn't cost money or become irreversible.  The field change costs gobs of money, perhaps trickling down to HS/U sports, and once that money is spent no one would dare reverse it.

The GP will also cost a lot of money, but not as much, and could possibly be reversed.  But it's also untenable money for HS/U to reverse should the follow suit.

So go nuts with testing out the rouge change or the clock change or whatever.  But the ones that we all know will be written in stone once done, and things heretofore sacrosanct, ya I have a big problem with that.

Johnston is cursing all 10 games so far this season for being so darn entertaining!  He's so wishing they all stunk.
Title: Re: GDT Mtl at Edm, Sat Jun 20, 3:00PM
Post by: Tecno on June 22, 2026, 06:52:33 AM
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2026, 03:01:31 PMTo me, the whole 35 second clock thing is a sham. Like others have pointed out consistently inconsistent

In week 1 TSN would show the 35s clock more.  I caught them showing it start and count down then at 30 or so reset, wait a sec, then start counting again.  And there was no reason, no ref conference, no call to the timer, no injury, nothing.

Now I've noticed TSN doesn't show the 35s clock at all right after a play.  And they rarely show it even as it's counting closer to 20!  They became aware it's not being done the way Johnston said and are covering for him.