Mike O'Shea granted permission to speak with the Argos.
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/10/toronto-argos-granted-permission-to-interview-mike-oshea-report/
Quote from: Ridermania on November 10, 2025, 04:57:50 PMMike O'Shea granted permission to speak with the Argos.
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/10/toronto-argos-granted-permission-to-interview-mike-oshea-report/
Yikes!
gotta think the bombers asked MOS. "you want to talk to the argos?". and then based on his answer they proceed...
This is the beginning of the end!!
If O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 10, 2025, 05:16:07 PMgotta think the bombers asked MOS. "you want to talk to the argos?". and then based on his answer they proceed...
I guess it doesn't look good on them if they said no.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 05:23:08 PMIf O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
He's as good as gone. I'd be talking to Orlando Steinhauer if he leaves
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 05:23:08 PMIf O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
It reminds me of Moneyball where Billy Beane talks to the Redsocks.
I could see O'Shea just seeing what the Argos have to say.
I would love an offensive minded HC should we require one. That's my Christmas Wish...Dave D would be great but he is GM so not leaving Calgary...not a rookie either...
Quote from: The Zipp on November 10, 2025, 05:37:38 PMDave D would be great
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 05:23:08 PMIf O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
I am not surprised he wants to go to a trash heap run organization all the power to him.
I'm kinda meh either way. He goes he goes he stays he stays. If he stays he needs to be able to let go of the chaff asst. coaching and veteran wise for heavens sake.
First things first...
Quote from: dd on November 10, 2025, 05:33:06 PMHe's as good as gone. I'd be talking to Orlando Steinhauer if he leaves
not so fast dd. I think you're jumping the gun again.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 10, 2025, 05:40:15 PMI am not surprised he wants to go to a trash heap run organization all the power to him.
I'm kinda meh either way. He goes he goes he stays he stays. If he stays he needs to be able to let go of the chaff asst. coaching and veteran wise for heavens sake.
First things first...
I agree with your comments 100% If he stays he needs to bring in a better OC at the least and yes please bring in some younger talent - they have to exist somewhere as other teams seem to be able to find the talent. And yes time to say goodbye to some vets!
I keep thinking of Wally Buno's time. When Wally thought a Vet was past his best before date he had no issue with letting them go and everyone will admit Wally was a great coach.
It's just an interview. He may not like what he hears, they may pick someone else. He is without a contract for 2026. Why wouldn't he talk? That said I am hoping he doesn't go.
I can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 06:16:43 PMI can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.
Dinwiddie doesn't seem all in on Dru Brown in some of his comments. I am sure they could swap QB's.
I think O'Shea has probably maxed out his salary as a HC. He doesn't seem interested in or a strong candidate to take on multiple hats. So in theory it would be a lateral move he might take but will he?
I can't think of any obvious replacements so in that sense I hope he stays in Winnipeg.
Quote from: Waffler on November 10, 2025, 06:18:05 PMDinwiddie doesn't seem all in on Dru Brown in some of his comments. I am sure they could swap QB's.
Brown earns $220K less that Kelly if he maxes out his earnings. Even as a 1 for 1 trade, that's not a good deal for the Redblacks. It may or may not be a good deal for the Argos unless Arbuckle leaves. Is he a free agent.
If MOS does go to TO will he take his OC/DC plus Collaros? That would open up Kelly to Ottawa and maybe Brown and Crum to Winnipeg.
Mike was a good coach earlier and would step in if things aren't working on the field. Lately he just stands on the sidelines and leaves everything to his coaching which are NOT working lately
Do you want a 28 year old Dru Brown, or a 38 year old ZC8? Toronto would be wise to trade Kelly for Brown.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 06:16:43 PMI can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.
In this weeks 3DN podcast they describe how the Argos front office is terribly understaffed, which is one of the reasons Dinwiddie was happy to move on, he said he'd actually be reducing his workload by taking on the dual role in Ottawa.
If he moves on he will bring great success where ever he goes. I wish him well if that's the case but gut tells me another year here is in the cards. Lots of factors for him to consider based on what I read above. Good insight.
Quote from: Blue72 on November 10, 2025, 06:34:28 PMIf MOS does go to TO will he take his OC/DC plus Collaros? That would open up Kelly to Ottawa and maybe Brown and Crum to Winnipeg.
Mike was a good coach earlier and would step in if things aren't working on the field. Lately he just stands on the sidelines and leaves everything to his coaching which are NOT working lately
Collaros is under contract in Winnipeg. So he can't just take him. So that's a giant leap in speculation. Wait until he actually decides to leave which is not a given.
I'd take Brown and Crum in that scenario but you're suggesting 3 starting QB's get moved in some sort of trade.
Quote from: Blueforlife on November 10, 2025, 07:42:20 PMIf he moves on he will bring great success where ever he goes. I wish him well if that's the case but gut tells me another year here is in the cards. Lots of factors for him to consider based on what I read above. Good insight.
It all comes down to the roster the team ends up with. Argos finished out of the playoffs with Dinwiddie and he's a very good coach. Roster and injuries took him from the Grey Cup winning coach to toast per se.
There is no guarantee O'Shea if he leaves doesn't suffer the same fate.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 07:59:38 PMIt all comes down to the roster the team ends up with. Argos finished out of the playoffs with Dinwiddie and he's a very good coach. Roster and injuries took him from the Grey Cup winning coach to toast per see.
There is no guarantee O'Shea if he leaves doesn't suffer the same fate.
That's why it doesn't make much sense for O'Shea to leave, he's got a safe secure job in Wpg, if it took him 3 years to improve the Argos performance he could be risking his neck.
Does O'Shea have aspirations to try the GM thing? Does Clemons offer up a HC/asst. GM type of deal?
It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 06:18:09 PMI think O'Shea has probably maxed out his salary as a HC. He doesn't seem interested in or a strong candidate to take on multiple hats. So in theory it would be a lateral move he might take but will he?
That's what I keep saying. In the coach-cap era there simply isn't any more money to pay MOS more than we're paying him. It's literally impossible -- and I'm pretty sure MOS isn't the type to accept "creative accounting" under the table.
Plus, watch MOS's post-game and season-ending pressers. He seems to want to be here -- and it's not just platitudes.
Him going to interview could easily be:
a) nice free $1000 dinner
b) see what they have to say
c) increase leverage for whatever bump he can get out of his next WFC contract
My money is on him staying here.
Quote from: Tecno on November 10, 2025, 09:13:37 PMThat's what I keep saying. In the coach-cap era there simply isn't any more money to pay MOS more than we're paying him. It's literally impossible -- and I'm pretty sure MOS isn't the type to accept "creative accounting" under the table.
Plus, watch MOS's post-game and season-ending pressers. He seems to want to be here -- and it's not just platitudes.
Him going to interview could easily be:
a) nice free $1000 dinner
b) see what they have to say
c) increase leverage for whatever bump he can get out of his next WFC contract
My money is on him staying here.
Steaks now costing $1000 in Toronto? lol
Argos have already net with O'Shea apparently. Lunch at Taco Bell all you can eat.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 08:18:36 PMDoes O'Shea have aspirations to try the GM thing? Does Clemons offer up a HC/asst. GM type of deal?
It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.
That's the thing - he may want to be GM - how can we know what a man is thinking, that might be one of his career goals and it can certainly be a private goal that most around him don't know about.
Does he have kids/grandkids that live in the TO area, aging family that he wants to be nearer? Maybe his spouse really wants to move back. Maybe him and Walters don't actually get along as well as we think.
There is a familiarity and respect between Pinball and MOS, I can see him going back to the Argos organization easily. And maybe Orlando Steinhauer, another former Argo player and teammate to Pinball and MOS, could be in the mix as well. They are looking to turn things around in Toronto, there's good leadership in MOS and OS. I can really see this happening.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 09:18:00 PMSteaks now costing $1000 in Toronto? lol
My buddy & wife spend $500 a visit to 529. So ya, I can see 2-3 people sitting at the best restaurant in TOR blowing $1k easily.
No, Pinball is not taking him to Taco Bell or 5 Guys. That's not how you woo a potential half-million-a-year employee.
Do we even know if OShea was going to meet Pinball in TO?
With the Grey Cup here u would think the face to face meeting would be in the Peg.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 10, 2025, 05:16:07 PMgotta think the bombers asked MOS. "you want to talk to the argos?". and then based on his answer they proceed...
I think the Argos ask and as a matter of policy, the WFC never gets in the way.
I'm still very confident MOS is still the HC of the Bombers next season.
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 10, 2025, 10:08:46 PMDo we even know if OShea was going to meet Pinball in TO?
With the Grey Cup here u would think the face to face meeting would be in the Peg.
Apparently they had there meeting today, and the announcement is coming soon.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 10:29:05 PMApparently they had there meeting today, and the announcement is coming soon.
What announcement?
Quote from: Tecno on November 10, 2025, 09:51:24 PMMy buddy & wife spend $500 a visit to 529. So ya, I can see 2-3 people sitting at the best restaurant in TOR blowing $1k easily.
No, Pinball is not taking him to Taco Bell or 5 Guys. That's not how you woo a potential half-million-a-year employee.
That doesn't benefit O'Shea if they take a bunch of people for a fancy meal. He's still only eating his $100 meal. I don't think O'Shea is earning $500K. Obviously I was kidding about Taco Bell.
In theory they have to offer him a higher position to get him to move while he's under contract. Unless the Bombers have already decided to move on which seems unlikely? They don't have to release him from his contract although that wouldn't create a good situation. Didn't they do that when Pierce was offered something in Vancouver before the move this year?
Either way, if he goes he goes. Not much we can do about it.
I trust Wade to get this right. He seems to succeed at whatever he puts his mind to.
Quote from: Tecno on November 10, 2025, 09:51:24 PMMy buddy & wife spend $500 a visit to 529. So ya, I can see 2-3 people sitting at the best restaurant in TOR blowing $1k easily.
No, Pinball is not taking him to Taco Bell or 5 Guys. That's not how you woo a potential half-million-a-year employee.
They must be drinking ALOT.
Quote from: peg_city on November 10, 2025, 11:24:31 PMThey must be drinking ALOT.
not that hard
cocktails - 15 x2 - 30
appetizer 20
entree - 100 x2 - 200
sides - 30
desert - 25
2 glasses of wine - 30 - 50
generous tip and you are close to 500
Quote from: The Zipp on November 11, 2025, 12:01:28 AMnot that hard
cocktails - 15 x2 - 30
appetizer 20
entree - 100 x2 - 200
sides - 30
desert - 25
2 glasses of wine - 30 - 50
generous tip and you are close to 500
2 quick observations, this fool ate too much and spent too much.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 11, 2025, 12:46:16 AM2 quick observations, this fool ate too much and spent too much.
2 fools not just one. and who goes to 529 to skrimp on food and drink?? if you can't afford to eat and drink there then go to Montanas.
It would be a BIG shakeup if Oshea leaves. The Bombers for sure would take a step or 5 backwards.
What we dont know is if Kyle Walters and OShea were exactly on the same page this season. Maybe a split would be welcome.
Quote from: peg_city on November 10, 2025, 11:24:31 PMThey must be drinking ALOT.
No comment! ;D ;D ;D (In case my friend is reading this!)
Not to prolong the "how expensive can dinner be" convo, but my wife had a $175 truffle dish at Chef Pino's in Vancouver in GC week (grumble grumble), plus a couple of glasses of decent wine she easily spent $250 just by herself. And I'm sure TOR has even better (read: $$) restaurants than Pino's.
There's a world of luxury most don't know about (actually, there's even more above that level...). It's like Porsche: whatever you think what you're looking at costs, think higher, then double it.
bottom line is that if MOS wants the TO job - it's his. if he isn't hired the person who is will always know they were plan B.
not uncommon in sports.
Quote from: Ducky on November 11, 2025, 01:05:51 AMIt would be a BIG shakeup if Oshea leaves. The Bombers for sure would take a step or 5 backwards.
What we dont know is if Kyle Walters and OShea were exactly on the same page this season. Maybe a split would be welcome.
Then Walters can go. I don't see him doing much lately anyhow.
I m thinking its either MOS or Steinhauer for the TO job, and I m thinking MOS gets it, having OS come here wouldn't be the end of the world. Henry Burris's name is being tossed around as well, he could come here as HC and oversee the offense as well. Not the end of the world either.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 02:51:26 AMI m thinking its either MOS or Steinhauer for the TO job, and I m thinking MOS gets it, having OS come here wouldn't be the end of the world. Henry Burris's name is being tossed around as well, he could come here as HC and oversee the offense as well. Not the end of the world either.
What would the Argos need to do for the Bombers to let him out of his contract to make a lateral move? Something isn't right in this equation.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 01:37:19 PMWhat would the Argos need to do for the Bombers to let him out of his contract to make a lateral move? Something isn't right in this equation.
What do you mean? MOS's contract is expiring. I don't expect him to move on, but there's nothing the Bombers can do or Argos need to do.
Steinhauer is president of football ops in Hamilton. He is not coming to Winnipeg.
with our job just being HC (currently) all we will get are rookies and has beens who have flamed out elsewhere.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 11, 2025, 02:31:12 PMrookies and has beens who have flamed out elsewhere.
Maas was thought to have flamed out. Mace and Dinwiddie both rookies. So there is talent out there if you can recognize it.
Still waiting for this announcement...
When can we expect this
@Pigskin ?
Quote from: Jesse on November 11, 2025, 02:14:32 PMWhat do you mean? MOS's contract is expiring. I don't expect him to move on, but there's nothing the Bombers can do or Argos need to do.
Not until the end of December. The Argos will want to find their candidate before that date. Technically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early for a lateral move. Normally an organization doesn't refuse a chance for a greater role ( promotion ), but this is a little different.
OTOH, it's bad PR to refuse to let him go if that's what he wants for whatever his reasons may be. He obviously has ties to Toronto but he's also been in Winnipeg for a substantial amount of time as well.
So the question is this a lateral move or some sort of higher level role? I mean you can give it some sort of semi fake new title but what is the reality?
Dinwiddie left the Argos but is taking on more responsibilities than he had in Toronto.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:16:17 PMTechnically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early
Can't see this happening. We would want to start our search ASAP too.
IF he leaves. Which we still don't know.
Quote from: Waffler on November 11, 2025, 03:19:33 PMCan't see this happening. We would want to start our search ASAP too. IF he leaves. Which we still don't know.
I'm not disputing that but I have mentioned why this is outside the norm when coaches leave. Buck Pierce left for a promotion to HC as the example. I don't remember whether he was still under contract but that's the norm.
O'Shea has had a successful career in Winnipeg despite Grey Cup losses. Is the tie to Ontario to an organization that appears to be in more trouble than in Winnipeg a stronger draw?
If money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:33:28 PMIf money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?
A lot of competitive people would want the challenge, that happens. Maybe change. He might be feeling stale here. He might think of what he could do there and get excited.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:16:17 PMNot until the end of December. The Argos will want to find their candidate before that date. Technically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early for a lateral move. Normally an organization doesn't refuse a chance for a greater role ( promotion ), but this is a little different.
OTOH, it's bad PR to refuse to let him go if that's what he wants for whatever his reasons may be. He obviously has ties to Toronto but he's also been in Winnipeg for a substantial amount of time as well.
So the question is this a lateral move or some sort of higher level role? I mean you can give it some sort of semi fake new title but what is the reality?
Dinwiddie left the Argos but is taking on more responsibilities than he had in Toronto.
This just seems like much ado about nothing. If MOS wants to leave, he can. There's no advantage to the Bombers holding him until the end of December and they wouldn't do that even if there was.
Your question about why MOS would want to leave is a separate one and imo, he won't leave. Dinwiddie left the Argos because he wanted the GM position, so even if that was something MOS was looking for, he's not getting it with the Argos.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:33:28 PMI'm not disputing that but I have mentioned why this is outside the norm when coaches leave. Buck Pierce left for a promotion to HC as the example. I don't remember whether he was still under contract but that's the norm.
O'Shea has had a successful career in Winnipeg despite Grey Cup losses. Is the tie to Ontario to an organization that appears to be in more trouble than in Winnipeg a stronger draw?
If money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?
You guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.
I wonder if Mike Miller would be ready for a head coaching position. He has done a wonderful job with the Bombers special teams and may be ready to take the next step.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:03:34 PMYou guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.
We don't even know he is meeting with them. That's an assumption.
And honestly, when you're negotiating a contract, you'd kinda be dumb not to explore your options. This is how you go into your conversations with Wade with leverage (as much as you can under a coaching cap).
We'll see. I'm still expecting the press conference announcing Kyle and Mike signing extensions, just like every other time we've all had these discussions. Including in 2019, when people were claiming Mike would jump ship to Toronto.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:03:34 PMYou guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.
I tend to agree with you and if so then we will move on! The Bombers will rebuild from the HC down (hopefully both the OC and DC will be gonzo also).
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 11, 2025, 02:58:07 PMStill waiting for this announcement...
When can we expect this @Pigskin ?
Normally there isn't an official announcement of coach signings during Grey Cup week.
But, the thing to look for is if OShea is at any of the TD Manitoba parties this week.
Any coaches around the league due for a promotion?
Archimbault or Thorpe in Montreal
Benevides in BC
Any others?
Quote from: BBRT on November 11, 2025, 04:16:23 PMI tend to agree with you and if so then we will move on! The Bombers will rebuild from the HC down (hopefully both the OC and DC will be gonzo also).
If there is a silver lining that is it, both coordinators will be gone.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:26:42 PMIf there is a silver lining that is it, both coordinators will be gone.
Amen!!!!!
Maybe the Bombers can snag Noel Thorpe?
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:26:42 PMIf there is a silver lining that is it, both coordinators will be gone.
Careful what you wish for...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 12, 2025, 12:32:36 AMMaybe the Bombers can snag Noel Thorpe?
Keep dreaming!
As long as MOS/KW is here there is no money for "real" OC/DCs. I keep telling ya'... unless the league massively jacks the coaches cap (which they should do!).
Quote from: bwiser on November 11, 2025, 04:10:17 PMI wonder if Mike Miller would be ready for a head coaching position. He has done a wonderful job with the Bombers special teams and may be ready to take the next step.
Mike was thrust in way over his head when he got the STC job. Luckily for us he "swam" rather than "sank". I think it's way too soon for him being a HC. However, it's an intriguing possibility for the future! It would certainly be a fan favorite, even if it were to bomb out horribly.
However, if you think MOS is awkward in front of the camera and on the radio, just wait until you see Miller!!
Quote from: bwiser on November 11, 2025, 04:10:17 PMI wonder if Mike Miller would be ready for a head coaching position. He has done a wonderful job with the Bombers special teams and may be ready to take the next step.
LOL Mike would be on the next bus back to NB if they offered him the HC job. Someday maybe but he'd need another 5 years of support from MOS to attempt it, he had to be tricked into accepting the ST job.
Quote from: Tecno on November 12, 2025, 12:45:23 AMCareful what you wish for...
Keep dreaming!
As long as MOS/KW is here there is no money for "real" OC/DCs. I keep telling ya'... unless the league massively jacks the coaches cap (which they should do!).
Fairly certain he meant hiring Thorpe as HC when MOS joins the Argos....
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 12, 2025, 12:32:36 AMMaybe the Bombers can snag Noel Thorpe?
He was one of the coaches I mentioned as ready for a promotion if OShea leaves.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on November 12, 2025, 02:55:32 AMFairly certain he meant hiring Thorpe as HC when MOS joins the Argos....
I got that. And I still mean "keep dreaming", because no way MTL lets Thorpe walk.
Thorpe has been doing the DC thing forever it seems. If he really wanted to be (or was capable of being) HC, he would have done it already.
I'm not really sure why we're all wasting time on this. MOS is getting another 2-3 year deal in a little bit and the status quo will continue. And Hogan will be our OC. Y'all better get used to it and hope the glimpses of promise Hogan showed in the ESF continues, and that KW does a better job in FA.
Quote from: Waffler on November 11, 2025, 03:47:59 PMA lot of competitive people would want the challenge, that happens. Maybe change. He might be feeling stale here. He might think of what he could do there and get excited.
I think MOS generally likes his job. I see no reason why he would ever laterally move to another team. I also see no reason why we'd ditch him after one "failed" season. And I'm positive he doesn't want to be a two-hat. And I know he can't earn more money somewhere unless their OC/DC are even more "budget" than ours!!
There
is one thing he obviously hates about his job: media. He hates pressers. He hates coaches shows. He hates wasting his time. He hates DT. He's a private guy. He does all this stuff because he's forced to. And it'll be the thing he's most relieved about never having to do again when he finally retires.
How would a move to TOR help reduce this media burden? It wouldn't. In fact, it would be a freakin' frenzy of media & appearances for many months. That's the opposite of what he wants.
There is one way to massively reduce media time... become a GM. But Pinball is GM, so that's that.
Next topic!
Quote from: BBRT on November 11, 2025, 04:16:23 PMI tend to agree with you and if so then we will move on! The Bombers will rebuild from the HC down (hopefully both the OC and DC will be gonzo also).
O'Shea can take hogan to Toronto!
Quote from: Tecno on November 12, 2025, 06:51:04 AMI think MOS generally likes his job. I see no reason why he would ever laterally move to another team. I also see no reason why we'd ditch him after one "failed" season. And I'm positive he doesn't want to be a two-hat. And I know he can't earn more money somewhere unless their OC/DC are even more "budget" than ours!!
There is one thing he obviously hates about his job: media. He hates pressers. He hates coaches shows. He hates wasting his time. He hates DT. He's a private guy. He does all this stuff because he's forced to. And it'll be the thing he's most relieved about never having to do again when he finally retires.
How would a move to TOR help reduce this media burden? It wouldn't. In fact, it would be a freakin' frenzy of media & appearances for many months. That's the opposite of what he wants.
There is one way to massively reduce media time... become a GM. But Pinball is GM, so that's that.
Next topic!
How do you figure there'd be a media frenzy in Toronto?? They don't care about the Argos there. There's more media demands here in fishbowl Winnipeg where football is a big deal in the community. The Toronto media or lack thereof is perfect for mos. The big thing drawing him is pinball, he and pinball are tight and I think he moves to end his career in TO
O'Shea seen at the airport getting ready for his return flight from Toronto. If he is leaving Winnipeg we should hear on Monday. Depends whether the Argos want to interview 2 or 3 more candidates I suppose.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 12, 2025, 05:08:25 PMO'Shea seen at the airport getting ready for his return flight from Toronto. If he is leaving Winnipeg we should hear on Monday. Depends whether the Argos want to interview 2 or 3 more candidates I suppose.
I m thinking its a done deal, but I also think they'd interview Orlando Steinhauer as well.
there is a league media ban on announcements from Thursday to Monday to give the Cup full limelight, I am thinking we hear either tonight or Monday. If Argos woo MOS away from us, which I think they will, I'd be calling Orlando asap
If it was a done deal, as you say, O'Shea would likely hang around TO today for an official announcement by the Argos.
Quote from: dd on November 12, 2025, 05:38:47 PMI m thinking its a done deal, but I also think they'd interview Orlando Steinhauer as well.
there is a league media ban on announcements from Thursday to Monday to give the Cup full limelight, I am thinking we hear either tonight or Monday. If Argos woo MOS away from us, which I think they will, I'd be calling Orlando asap
Pretty sure the CFL had a ban on media releases leading up to the GC, the conjecture is distracting from the event. Ottawa should have held their tongue on the Dinwiddie hire till after the game, that move got the ball rolling.
Did the CFLPA do away with their player survey rating their own teams and facilities or does that come out after the GC?
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 12, 2025, 05:59:50 PMIf it was a done deal, as you say, O'Shea would likely hang around TO today for an official announcement by the Argos.
True. Maybe he wanted to discuss with his family before formally pulling the trigger but you think he would have done that before he jumped on the plane for the interview.
O'Shea has 3 kids, pretty sure they're all enrolled in post secondary education in Wpg, and if so chances are they still live at home. Thanks Dad!
hamilton is sniffing around as well. asking for permission to talk to MOS and DM.
we have an offer tendered to MOS
from naylor
Argos are not the only team, besides Winnipeg, interested in O'Shea. The @Ticats have requested permission to speak to both O'Shea and @Wpg_BlueBombers assistant GM Danny McManus. Meanwhile O'Shea has an offer on the table in Winnipeg. #CFL
Quote from: The Zipp on November 12, 2025, 09:07:03 PMhamilton is sniffing around as well. asking for permission to talk to MOS and DM.
we have an offer tendered to MOS
from naylor
Argos are not the only team, besides Winnipeg, interested in O'Shea. The @Ticats have requested permission to speak to both O'Shea and @Wpg_BlueBombers assistant GM Danny McManus. Meanwhile O'Shea has an offer on the table in Winnipeg. #CFL
Ti-Cats are interested in hiring a GM to replace Goveia, Danny Mac would be the logical choice if he's willing to commit to living in Hamilton.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2025, 09:30:29 PMTi-Cats are interested in hiring a GM to replace Goveia, Danny Mac would be the logical choice if he's willing to commit to living in Hamilton.
he should be familiar enough with the area
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2025, 09:30:29 PMTi-Cats are interested in hiring a GM to replace Goveia, Danny Mac would be the logical choice if he's willing to commit to living in Hamilton.
Danny won't leave his cozy Florida.
I guess MOS is gonna enjoying all the $1000 steak diners he can until making a decision lol
I think he is finding out how good he has it here if you ask me.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2025, 08:54:02 PMO'Shea has 3 kids, pretty sure they're all enrolled in post secondary education in Wpg, and if so chances are they still live at home. Thanks Dad!
Last I heard his son was following in his footsteps and was attending University of Guelph and is part of their football program. Not being able to see his son play would eat away at me, and even though that's short term, it's likely he graduates and gets a job in southern Ontario, so kids are moving back to the mother land, MOS will follow.
nobody wants to talk to Kyle??
Quote from: The Zipp on November 12, 2025, 10:05:54 PMnobody wants to talk to Kyle??
After this past off season failures, I can see why. MOS would have worked closely with Walters and ted g when he was here, I can see MOS getting an interview for the GM position. Given Danny Mac s reluctance to leave Florida, I don't see that changing so maybe MOS gets the GM position and Danny Mac the assistant GM position??
Things look dark in bomberville, very dark.
Quote from: dd on November 12, 2025, 10:05:02 PMLast I heard his son was following in his footsteps and was attending University of Guelph and is part of their football program. Not being able to see his son play would eat away at me, and even though that's short term, it's likely he graduates and gets a job in southern Ontario, so kids are moving back to the mother land, MOS will follow.
His son was playing for the Bisons up until last season but he's not on their roster this year, neither is their female kicker. Noticed they added a young receiver to their roster this year, Lawson Walters 6'-0" 180 lbs, with black hair, what are the odds?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 12, 2025, 09:53:26 PMI guess MOS is gonna enjoying all the $1000 steak diners he can until making a decision lol
Never go full Henoc!
Quote from: The Zipp on November 12, 2025, 09:07:03 PMhamilton is sniffing around as well. asking for permission to talk to MOS and DM.
Ya, then that means TOR/HAM are eyeing MOS for GM. And that makes more sense because there's no money for MOS as "just a HC".
Pretty sure HAM isn't done with Scott -- he basically just started and has turned that team around on a dime.
The Pinball situation in TOR complicates things... maybe they are offering HC + asst GM to enable a pay bump?
Longtime (but also long retired) Toronto sports media guy Howard Berger has shared a done deal for O'Shea to Toronto.
No idea if it's true or not obviously, but it is out there being shared so thought I'd put it here. Guy covered the Toronto sports scene for 35 years.
Quote from: dd on November 12, 2025, 04:57:13 PMHow do you figure there'd be a media frenzy in Toronto?? They don't care about the Argos there. There's more media demands here in fishbowl Winnipeg where football is a big deal in the community.
The media frenzy would be his first few months in TOR all the way up to TC -- simply because of his novelty. Even in TOR, and even with no one watching, the media will make him do a ton of pressers. It would be way more media than he is currently getting here. If he stays here he barely has to say boo until TC.
Sounds like argos have offered him the coaching position but with added authority on personnel. Which to me is a recipe for trouble
It felt like this has been an issue hamstringing Walters over the last year.
(As well as scouts who find talent only to see them not utilized)
Quote from: Pete on November 12, 2025, 11:23:52 PMSounds like argos have offered him the coaching position but with added authority on personnel. Which to me is a recipe for trouble
It felt like this has been an issue hamstringing Walters over the last year.
(As well as scouts who find talent only to see them not utilized)
Despite his flaws, John Murphy has arguably been the best personnel scout in the CFL over the last decade.
At first I was 50/50 MOS would leave but I can't help think this much smoke means fire. I am more like 80/20 he's gone now.
He has an offer from the Bombers on the table. Not signed.
I wonder what would be the reason he has to go to TO? He knows Pinball already, most of the CFL big wigs will be here this week. Couldn't he just interview here? I think there are things he wanted to see for himself and if he was satisfied... he gone.
Quote from: Waffler on November 12, 2025, 11:53:52 PMAt first I was 50/50 MOS would leave but I can't help think this much smoke means fire.
Meh. Watch his last 2 pressers. I see no indication he wants to bail. I see no indication he's not happy here.
MOS is a bad liar. He "lies" by omission. He doesn't just lie to your face. He's not good at it.
No, him saying an injured player "might be ready" does not count.
Quote from: Waffler on November 12, 2025, 11:53:52 PMAt first I was 50/50 MOS would leave but I can't help think this much smoke means fire. I am more like 80/20 he's gone now.
He has an offer from the Bombers on the table. Not signed.
I wonder what would be the reason he has to go to TO? He knows Pinball already, most of the CFL big wigs will be here this week. Couldn't he just interview here? I think there are things he wanted to see for himself and if he was satisfied... he gone.
It would be part of TOs pitch to bring him out. They want him to come to Toronto. I wouldn't read into that part of it.
Quote from: Tecno on November 12, 2025, 11:21:46 PMThe media frenzy would be his first few months in TOR all the way up to TC -- simply because of his novelty. Even in TOR, and even with no one watching, the media will make him do a ton of pressers. It would be way more media than he is currently getting here. If he stays here he barely has to say boo until TC.
The media in Toronto cares more about the Maple Leafs, Blue Jays, Raptors and their MLS club. He's not going to have to deal with much.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:03:34 PMYou guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.
I agree with you too.
Quote from: RebusRankin on November 13, 2025, 12:27:04 AMThe media in Toronto cares more about the Maple Leafs, Blue Jays, Raptors and their MLS club. He's not going to have to deal with much.
Exactly, Argos are barely on the radar and don't get much press vs raptors, jays and leafs, which is perfect for MOS. No more hoakey coaches show where angry fans calls in, he can just focus on football, he ll have it made in the shade
I can't believe none of you guys have the conspiracy hats on. Sheesh!
First Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and you've just won two. Could be something in it down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
Second Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and as much as we appreciate the first one, well, there definitely could be something down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
"Easiest way out of the 'Peg is to tank the team bad. The folks there'd be happy to see you go and with Dimwiddie gone, well ..."
Just sayin'. "Queue the Twilight Zone music" ... LOL!
Quote from: J5V on November 13, 2025, 12:45:51 AMI can't believe none of you guys have the conspiracy hats on. Sheesh!
First Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and you've just won two. Could be something in it down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
Second Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and as much as we appreciate the first one, well, there definitely could be something down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
"Easiest way out of the 'Peg is to tank the team bad. The folks there'd be happy to see you go and with Dimwiddie gone, well ..."
Just sayin'. "Queue the Twilight Zone music" ... LOL!
Is this a Techno alt account?
Quote from: J5V on November 13, 2025, 12:45:51 AMI can't believe none of you guys have the conspiracy hats on. Sheesh!
First Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and you've just won two. Could be something in it down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
Second Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and as much as we appreciate the first one, well, there definitely could be something down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
"Easiest way out of the 'Peg is to tank the team bad. The folks there'd be happy to see you go and with Dimwiddie gone, well ..."
Just sayin'. "Queue the Twilight Zone music" ... LOL!
Craziest post of the year!!
Quote from: Jesse on November 13, 2025, 12:14:49 AMIt would be part of TOs pitch to bring him out. They want him to come to Toronto. I wouldn't read into that part of it.
Can't see him going for it, the Argo facilities suck and when he wants to improve the environment for the players sake he's going to get push back from the money grubbers that truly don't give a **** about the team.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 13, 2025, 02:03:11 AMCan't see him going for it, the Argo facilities suck and when he wants to improve the environment for the players sake he's going to get push back from the money grubbers that truly don't give a **** about the team.
I can't think of a single thing Toronto could offer that he doesn't already have here.
Quote from: J5V on November 13, 2025, 12:45:51 AM"Easiest way out of the 'Peg is to tank the team bad. The folks there'd be happy to see you go and with Dimwiddie gone, well ..."
Except one fly in the ointment: we all saw Zach's thumb cut in '24. Let's assume it really was cut and not a ketchup packet in his pocket. Why bother to get cut when you can just botch some passes?
Ya, the thought of "rigged" did occur to me in '24, but only because the gambling payoff was so massive. I can't recall what it was but maybe like 5 or 6 to 1 payout if you took TOR? It's those "can't lose" games that are the best to fix.
In the end I think CFL playoffs are pretty clean. Nothing has ever jumped out to me screaming "rigged!". Not like the NFL... like that Falcons SB...
And when CFL is "rigged" (CGY no end call, and #22 on two fake DPIs) it's just reg season and almost always ref folly. And my money is more on them being "homers" (or just stupid) than gambling fixes.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 13, 2025, 02:03:11 AMCan't see him going for it, the Argo facilities suck
Ya, who would want to go to that place, and then play every week in front of only 5000 fans?
Not to mention, who's to say Argos won't go broke, or sell the team, or move the team, or whatever? They are only alive because of owner deep pockets and equalization payments. They probably lose more money than any team. You want to walk into an org that may not exist as-is in 1 to 3 years?? And if they change owners/whatever you just know the first change made will be fire the HC.
Contrast with the richest team in the league WPG where your job security is 100% as long as KW/WM are happy with you. MOS has earned many year's grace of total suckage here, with Mafia & the fan base. He could be 1 & done in the playoffs for the next 2 seasons and it would still be only the same peanut gallery as always calling for his head.
It doesn't make any sense.
A few things that could draw O'Shea one way or the other...
- ties to Toronto,
- ties to Winnipeg,
- opportunity to rebuild Toronto,
- opportunity to re-set in Winnipeg,
- family/friends re-connections in Toronto,
- family/friends connections in Winnipeg,
- money, future opportunities in Toronto,
- money, future opportunities in Winnipeg.
I believe he will consider all of the above.
We do this to ourselves every other season. And every time he stays.
LOL
Quote from: dd on November 12, 2025, 10:36:51 PMAfter this past off season failures, I can see why. MOS would have worked closely with Walters and ted g when he was here, I can see MOS getting an interview for the GM position. Given Danny Mac s reluctance to leave Florida, I don't see that changing so maybe MOS gets the GM position and Danny Mac the assistant GM position??
Things look dark in bomberville, very dark.
Well that is like, just your opinion, man!
Quote from: J5V on November 13, 2025, 12:45:51 AMI can't believe none of you guys have the conspiracy hats on. Sheesh!
First Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and you've just won two. Could be something in it down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
Second Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and as much as we appreciate the first one, well, there definitely could be something down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
"Easiest way out of the 'Peg is to tank the team bad. The folks there'd be happy to see you go and with Dimwiddie gone, well ..."
Just sayin'. "Queue the Twilight Zone music" ... LOL!
JV been pre gameing hard core eh. :D
from howard berger (toronto sports writer)
NEW: I'm told the #Argos and Mike O'Shea are close to a deal as head coach. Very likely providing Osh lots of authority over personnel. Expect it will be announced after Sunday to not interfere with the #GreyCup . But, I'm uncertain about that. Hell of an addition for the Boatmen. #CFL #Leafs #TSN #BlueBombers
we all may be shocked that MOS may actually want more of a gm type role that what is believed. head coach/assistant gm??
pinball may want to have a succession plan in place and i don't think it's john murphy so why not MOS?
prob would have offered dinwiddie a similar role had he stuck around to listen to the argos counter offer
Quote from: J5V on November 13, 2025, 12:45:51 AMI can't believe none of you guys have the conspiracy hats on. Sheesh!
First Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and you've just won two. Could be something in it down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
Second Grey Cup against the Argos "That's a hell of a team you have there Mike but T.O. really needs this cup and as much as we appreciate the first one, well, there definitely could be something down the road for you if you ever wanted to come back home to T.O."
"Easiest way out of the 'Peg is to tank the team bad. The folks there'd be happy to see you go and with Dimwiddie gone, well ..."
Just sayin'. "Queue the Twilight Zone music" ... LOL!
He did make many questionable roster decisions and in game decisions especially in Montreal for the ESF.
Quote from: Tecno on November 13, 2025, 03:41:56 AMYa, who would want to go to that place, and then play every week in front of only 5000 fans?
Football people are eternal optimists. Somehow Montreal and Ottawa got turned around and likely MOS and Pinball are believers in the same for Toronto.
Quote from: Tecno on November 13, 2025, 03:35:02 AMthe thought of "rigged" did occur to me in '24, but only because the gambling payoff was so massive.
Hate mail and death threats are everywhere in sports now due to gambling. Even a BC player's wife got one after the west final. Shawn Lemon was caught but he may not be the only one gambling on the games.
good quote:
"That's what I get upset about," Knicks guard Mikal Bridges said. "When I lose someone a bet, (I get hate messages). I don't get anything when I win them a bet.
"Where's my money at?"
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/12/hamilton-tiger-cats-request-permission-to-speak-to-bombers-mike-oshea-danny-mcmanus-report/
Quote from: Waffler on November 13, 2025, 02:54:27 PMFootball people are eternal optimists. Somehow Montreal and Ottawa got turned around and likely MOS and Pinball are believers in the same for Toronto.
Toronto has won 2 grey cups in 5 years, had a exciting albeit controversial qb, a fan favorite gm
Just exactly what is there left to turn around? It is what it is Toronto fans are who we thought they were OShea wont turn them into a successful franchise
Toronto is the darling of the league. They always get what they want because this league just can't imagine itself without Toronto. That being the case I'm sure it was always in the back of MOS's mind that one day he'd work himself back into the big smoke. Winnipeg was always a stop-gap measure, a place to learn his strokes as a HC before seizing the opportunity to head back home. He's never stopped being an Argo and I'll soon be hating him as much as I hate anything Argo. If he goes, good riddance. Thanks for the memories and the opportunity to have new memories beating us some Argo butt!
Quote from: The Zipp on November 13, 2025, 12:56:16 PMfrom howard berger (toronto sports writer)
NEW: I'm told the #Argos and Mike O'Shea are close to a deal as head coach. Very likely providing Osh lots of authority over personnel. Expect it will be announced after Sunday to not interfere with the #GreyCup . But, I'm uncertain about that. Hell of an addition for the Boatmen. #CFL #Leafs #TSN #BlueBombers
we all may be shocked that MOS may actually want more of a gm type role that what is believed. head coach/assistant gm??
pinball may want to have a succession plan in place and i don't think it's john murphy so why not MOS?
prob would have offered dinwiddie a similar role had he stuck around to listen to the argos counter offer
This is what I ve been expecting. As I said before, it's a done deal my friends, done deal
Quote from: The Zipp on November 13, 2025, 12:56:16 PMfrom howard berger (toronto sports writer)
NEW: I'm told the #Argos and Mike O'Shea are close to a deal as head coach. Very likely providing Osh lots of authority over personnel. Expect it will be announced after Sunday to not interfere with the #GreyCup . But, I'm uncertain about that. Hell of an addition for the Boatmen. #CFL #Leafs #TSN #BlueBombers
we all may be shocked that MOS may actually want more of a gm type role that what is believed. head coach/assistant gm??
pinball may want to have a succession plan in place and i don't think it's john murphy so why not MOS?
prob would have offered dinwiddie a similar role had he stuck around to listen to the argos counter offer
I think he has pretty much full control as it is.
I will still need to see it before I believe it. He has multiple offers. I still think it's more likely he signs the one to stay in Winnipeg rather than any other.
Quote from: jayrock on November 13, 2025, 03:14:40 PMhttps://3downnation.com/2025/11/12/hamilton-tiger-cats-request-permission-to-speak-to-bombers-mike-oshea-danny-mcmanus-report/
The fact the Cats have asked permission to speak with MOS tells me the Argos don't have a signed deal in place.
Quote from: Jesse on November 13, 2025, 05:17:59 PMI think he has pretty much full control as it is.
I will still need to see it before I believe it. He has multiple offers. I still think it's more likely he signs the one to stay in Winnipeg rather than any other.
I don't think he'd waste his time and TO and Hamilton time just kicking tires. He's an Argo, always has been, the chance to work with Pinball as a HC/GM is too much to pass up. We'll see come Sunday
Quote from: dd on November 13, 2025, 05:53:29 PMI don't think he'd waste his time and TO and Hamilton time just kicking tires. He's an Argo, always has been, the chance to work with Pinball as a HC/GM is too much to pass up. We'll see come Sunday
I wouldn't consider it wasting time. He'd be doing himself a disservice if he didn't listen to all opportunities and, at the very least, take it back to the negotiating table back in Winnipeg.
He's re-signed several times in Winnipeg already, including when the job in Toronto was available. I really don't see what has changed. But, as you say, we should find out soon.
Quote from: dd on November 13, 2025, 05:53:29 PMI don't think he'd waste his time and TO and Hamilton time just kicking tires. He's an Argo, always has been, the chance to work with Pinball as a HC/GM is too much to pass up. We'll see come Sunday
Seems weird to me but maybe he's under pressure from above to move on from his core vets and he's refusing to do so out of stubborn loyalty to them. MOS seems like the type that would rather move on rather then argue or carry on with a game plan he doesn't believe in.
Can't see the attraction in moving to Toronto, he probably lives in an upper class neighbourhood 20 minutes from work in a big house with lots of room for his family. Unless he's going by himself and living in a downtown hotel like Chris Jones always did, he won't be able to come anywhere near replicating the quality of life he enjoys in Wpg.
Sounds like Hamilton is fine with Scott Malanovich. But they still need a GM....
Here's what I think is happening:
One gets the sense that there is a bit of tension between O'Shea, Walters and Miller.
My reading of the tea leaves is that O'Shea wanted to stretch this core against the judgement of Walters and probably Miller, the former who brought in a bunch of young QBs and probably advocated for a complete overhaul, earlier. That approach was rejected by O'Shea and the pieces that were aligned to that vision were cut pretty quickly and/or sent to the PR pretty early on in June.
Now we're dealing with egos, a bit of a rift between the three of them and teams courting O'Shea offering more player personnel control, which ya, is the exact message you'd deliver if the above is true and you are thinking strategically.
I'd put some good money on this and it actually aligns with a few things I've heard around. Grain of salt. But I'd stand behind it as the most probable scenario.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 13, 2025, 06:09:57 PMSeems weird to me but maybe he's under pressure from above to move on from his core vets and he's refusing to do so out of stubborn loyalty to them. MOS seems like the type that would rather move on rather then argue or carry on with a game plan he doesn't believe in.
Can't see the attraction in moving to Toronto, he probably lives in an upper class neighbourhood 20 minutes from work in a big house with lots of room for his family. Unless he's going by himself and living in a downtown hotel like Chris Jones always did, he won't be able to come anywhere near replicating the quality of life he enjoys in Wpg.
Same could be said for Buck last year, ya he got his HC promotion, but the cost of housing is $1,000,000 difference between the 2 cities, he still left. guys go because they want to go, not because they have to go.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 13, 2025, 10:27:38 PMHere's what I think is happening:
One gets the sense that there is a bit of tension between O'Shea, Walters and Miller.
My reading of the tea leaves is that O'Shea wanted to stretch this core against the judgement of Walters and probably Miller, the former who brought in a bunch of young QBs and probably advocated for a complete overhaul, earlier. That approach was rejected by O'Shea and the pieces that were aligned to that vision were cut pretty quickly and/or sent to the PR pretty early on in June.
Now we're dealing with egos, a bit of a rift between the three of them and teams courting O'Shea offering more player personnel control, which ya, is the exact message you'd deliver if the above is true and you are thinking strategically.
I'd put some good money on this and it actually aligns with a few things I've heard around. Grain of salt. But I'd stand behind it as the most probable scenario.
I think that scenario is likely also.
I think MOS took a look at our FA signings this year and said, heck , I could do better than that, and now he's going to a team that will let him do just that.
Quote from: dd on November 13, 2025, 10:30:57 PMSame could be said for Buck last year, ya he got his HC promotion, but the cost of housing is $1,000,000 difference between the 2 cities, he still left. guys go because they want to go, not because they have to go.
Vancouver is still a great city to live in, Toronto is a congested hell-hole by comparison. The Lions practice facilities are in Surrey which would allow Buck to live in a number of nearby communities that are very nice.
If he takes his stubbornness and "loyal to the vets" thing to Toronto and they age-out the way we have I wonder how long it'll be before he's shown the door there.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 13, 2025, 11:08:16 PMVancouver is still a great city to live in, Toronto is a congested hell-hole by comparison. The Lions practice facilities are in Surrey which would allow Buck to live in a number of nearby communities that are very nice.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there's lots to like about toronto and area - muskokas, kawartha lakes(MOS is a huge fisherman and hunter), niagara falls, zip across to buffalo to take in a Bills game, no -30 degree winters, can get rid of his block heater, his travel schedule for playing east teams is a driveable for 2 of the 3 teams, etc etc. I've lived in both places and would live in southern ontario in a heartbeat.
Quote from: dd on November 14, 2025, 01:31:01 AMBeauty is in the eye of the beholder, there's lots to like about toronto and area - muskokas, kawartha lakes(MOS is a huge fisherman and hunter), niagara falls, zip across to buffalo to take in a Bills game, no -30 degree winters, can get rid of his block heater, his travel schedule for playing east teams is a driveable for 2 of the 3 teams, etc etc. I've lived in both places and would live in southern ontario in a heartbeat.
Fair points until you mentioned hunting and fishing. I'm sure it's not bad there, but Osh lives in Headingley - you can drive under an hour to a nice tree stand and get an epic buck. Heck I've got a 5x5 walking through my yard out here at times.
Fishing - well, I'm sure Muskoka is great, it reminds me of LOTW. But there's even closer fishing than LOTW, and again that's a lot closer than anything near YYZ.
I believe Paul Maurice is from the Sioux St. Marie? Yet he still has his summer place here at LOTW.
For outdoors, proximity to Wpg is hard to beat.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 13, 2025, 10:27:38 PMHere's what I think is happening:
One gets the sense that there is a bit of tension between O'Shea, Walters and Miller.
My reading of the tea leaves is that O'Shea wanted to stretch this core against the judgement of Walters and probably Miller, the former who brought in a bunch of young QBs and probably advocated for a complete overhaul, earlier. That approach was rejected by O'Shea and the pieces that were aligned to that vision were cut pretty quickly and/or sent to the PR pretty early on in June.
Now we're dealing with egos, a bit of a rift between the three of them and teams courting O'Shea offering more player personnel control, which ya, is the exact message you'd deliver if the above is true and you are thinking strategically.
I'd put some good money on this and it actually aligns with a few things I've heard around. Grain of salt. But I'd stand behind it as the most probable scenario.
So you're saying that O'Shea has the roster control to keep the team he wants and is leaving to gain that same roster control.
FWIW, Jeff Hamilton has consistently reported that MOS has all the control over the roster that he wants. He may leave, but from everything we know about the Bombers organization and from what I read, that won't be one of the reasons why.
Ya, sorry, but for me, Kawartha Lakes has got this beat by miles,
Quote from: J5V on November 13, 2025, 03:59:54 PMHe's never stopped being an Argo and I'll soon be hating him as much as I hate anything Argo. If he goes, good riddance. Thanks for the memories and the opportunity to have new memories beating us some Argo butt!
Yikes, give the man a break and wait until (IF!) he makes the move! Everyone is just speculating off of very little hard info. It's all a bit silly. You don't want to be there with your foot in your mouth when it's announced MOS has signed for 3 more years in WPG!
Quote from: Waffler on November 13, 2025, 02:54:27 PMFootball people are eternal optimists. Somehow Montreal and Ottawa got turned around and likely MOS and Pinball are believers in the same for Toronto.
Ambiguous. Are we talking "team turned around" or "fan situation turned around". Former is already done, bad year without a QB notwithstanding. The latter is the situation that may never be solved. If 2 cups in 3 years don't pack the (miniscule!) stands, nothing will.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 13, 2025, 12:56:16 PMwe all may be shocked that MOS may actually want more of a gm type role that what is believed. head coach/assistant gm??
pinball may want to have a succession plan in place and i don't think it's john murphy so why not MOS?
Ya, but doesn't MOS have all of that here right now? Some say in FA hirings and cutting/firings.
And wouldn't we have to think that MOS is the "succession plan" for KW, should MOS be interested in that eventually?
My main point being: he doesn't have to move to TOR to get those things. If he wants them, they are all right here. And if he doesn't want those things, then they can't be used to argue they are the "main draw" for MOS in TOR!
Quote from: Tecno on November 14, 2025, 04:31:47 AMYa, but doesn't MOS have all of that here right now? Some say in FA hirings and cutting/firings.
And wouldn't we have to think that MOS is the "succession plan" for KW, should MOS be interested in that eventually?
My main point being: he doesn't have to move to TOR to get those things. If he wants them, they are all right here. And if he doesn't want those things, then they can't be used to argue they are the "main draw" for MOS in TOR!
Another thing that Jeff Hamilton reported was that, if Wade Miller wants to keep MOS around, he won't be "outbid". If there's more we need to do/give O'Shea, it's going to be available.
And it's the little things that Winnipeg does that Toronto absolutely will not. We provide dinner for all players and their families after every game, for example. The club invests money back into the organization which is not something MLSE is going to sign off on.
Nothing about the Argos meshes with what we know about MOS. Now maybe he would see it as a challenge to create that there, but he simply won't have the ability to control any other organization the way he has impacted the Bombers. Wade vs a private owner simply don't have the same priorities.
Quote from: Jesse on November 14, 2025, 02:23:18 AMSo you're saying that O'Shea has the roster control to keep the team he wants and is leaving to gain that same roster control.
FWIW, Jeff Hamilton has consistently reported that MOS has all the control over the roster that he wants. He may leave, but from everything we know about the Bombers organization and from what I read, that won't be one of the reasons why.
That's a poor reading of what I said. The situation is nuanced, not black bad white. You have three guys who all feel they should have some influence and all three have earned it.
You also have a situation where it seems reasonable to conclude that coach and GM weren't entirely on the same page this year.
I am not sure what the heck Jeff Hamilton has to do with anything? No one is going to sit down with him from the Bombers and explain to him the power dynamic between the three of them. :D
Reality? O'Shea obviously has a lot of control (thanks captain Hamilton for his contribution.) Most likely exclusive control of game day and training camp, etc but probably not overt control over long term direction. Walters has some too. Miller also. When the long term version is fragmented, people use their influence to pull in their own directions. This is not unique to football problem either. Plays out in board rooms everywhere.
Have a different take if you want but I'm going with this one.
Quote from: Tecno on November 14, 2025, 04:29:39 AMAmbiguous. Are we talking "team turned around" or "fan situation turned around". Former is already done, bad year without a QB notwithstanding. The latter is the situation that may never be solved. If 2 cups in 3 years don't pack the (miniscule!) stands, nothing will.
I am talking about tickets sold, fan experience. Winning always helps but it has to be fun to attend in person. Ottawa and Montreal have both had the franchise folded, that was my point. Both were considered lost causes as Toronto is now. These are fun places to be now and prove that it is not impossible to turn it around.
Y'all are going to need a crystal ball to figure out what's going on here. I don't think there's too much logic you can apply here - this is going to be an emotional decision and probably based on more factors than we're privy to.
My gut says he's gone but I don't really have good reason for why I think that, either. If I were to guess, it would be for the "new challenge" in a place he "always saw himself returning to one day". It's not hard to fathom that maybe he feels he's done all he can here and it's time for a change of scenery. I wouldn't disagree with that reasoning, either. If he moves on then it might be the best for both parties and would allow us to reset the roster and our overall approach. Hard to argue that's needed after a year like this where some things (and people) were beginning to get stale. It would suck because Osh is a friggin legend and we owe so much to him, but hey, that's the business of sports. Even the best coaches move on and more often than not are fired outright after being heroes just a year or two before.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 14, 2025, 02:58:43 PMY'all are going to need a crystal ball to figure out what's going on here. I don't think there's too much logic you can apply here - this is going to be an emotional decision and probably based on more factors than we're privy to.
My gut says he's gone but I don't really have good reason for why I think that, either. If I were to guess, it would be for the "new challenge" in a place he "always saw himself returning to one day". It's not hard to fathom that maybe he feels he's done all he can here and it's time for a change of scenery. I wouldn't disagree with that reasoning, either. If he moves on then it might be the best for both parties and would allow us to reset the roster and our overall approach. Hard to argue that's needed after a year like this where some things (and people) were beginning to get stale. It would suck because Osh is a friggin legend and we owe so much to him, but hey, that's the business of sports. Even the best coaches move on and more often than not are fired outright after being heroes just a year or two before.
If he stays or goes it does not change the fact this team requires a rebuild in many areas. Hanging on to the old guard with some tinkering is a guarantee to 5th place in the west next year.
I say he stays. When you see MOS applauding the fans for making the other team take a time count violation and how much he loves the noise of the fans here, you won't get that environment in TO. That's a big plus for him here.
I haven't heard a peep about Walters. Would a combo GM/Coach options be available to MOS here? Would MOS be negotiating for that possibly? Until he signs, these are all just conversations and nothing more.
Is there a worse job available in the CFL than head coach of the Argos? Poor crowd support, poor support by ownership and 13 road games in 2026 equals a big no thanks.
Quote from: dd on November 14, 2025, 01:31:01 AMBeauty is in the eye of the beholder, there's lots to like about toronto and area - muskokas, kawartha lakes(MOS is a huge fisherman and hunter), niagara falls, zip across to buffalo to take in a Bills game, no -30 degree winters, can get rid of his block heater, his travel schedule for playing east teams is a driveable for 2 of the 3 teams, etc etc. I've lived in both places and would live in southern ontario in a heartbeat.
I've lived all over Toronto for 2 decades, looking for the perfect spot, and its not there. I've been here 26 years, and its been the best move ever. You can't go anywhere in Toronto by car without it taking forever, and not having a place to park (downtown) under $20...
Drive up the 400 or 404 and unless its Tuesday afternoon, its stop and go, bumper to bumper. The first time I went up to Victoria Beach, it was Friday at 6:00, and I hit my brakes a half dozen times, maybe. And my buddy, who I was visiting, was ******** about the traffic. I laughed.
So no, location is not better, except for proximity to family.
In all the years it has been in effect, I've never seen a set of rules for the "Chris Jones Front Office Salary Cap"
What are the penalties for going over? Is it the same as the player cap? Or is purely monetary, with no draft picks risked (would not make sense to involve draft picks, really)
If it is just cash, then we should definitely exceed it and get a real OC for MOS for next year... that might keep him here.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 14, 2025, 12:35:03 PMThat's a poor reading of what I said. The situation is nuanced, not black bad white. You have three guys who all feel they should have some influence and all three have earned it.
You also have a situation where it seems reasonable to conclude that coach and GM weren't entirely on the same page this year.
I am not sure what the heck Jeff Hamilton has to do with anything? No one is going to sit down with him from the Bombers and explain to him the power dynamic between the three of them. :D
Reality? O'Shea obviously has a lot of control (thanks captain Hamilton for his contribution.) Most likely exclusive control of game day and training camp, etc but probably not overt control over long term direction. Walters has some too. Miller also. When the long term version is fragmented, people use their influence to pull in their own directions. This is not unique to football problem either. Plays out in board rooms everywhere.
Have a different take if you want but I'm going with this one.
I'm not sure what your slight is on Jeff Hamilton. I source him because he's the president of the football writers of Canada and does a weekly article as well as a podcast on the happenings around the CFL. He's the most plugged in guy that fans have access to. He's specifically covered the Bombers for MOS's whole tenure.
Regardless, while no one know what MOS's motivations are when it comes to what his future choices are, the specific scenario you talked about doesn't make sense to me. Just given the control that MOS has within the Winnipeg organization and the multitude of voices within the Toronto organization. Dinwiddie left for a reason, afterall.
I tend to agree with blue_or_die that if he were to leave, it would probably be more of an emotional decision that because of any degree of control or lack thereof. I feel very confident that there's nothing Toronto could offer in that respect that he doesn't already have.
Quote from: tlf on November 14, 2025, 04:00:13 PMI say he stays. When you see MOS applauding the fans for making the other team take a time count violation and how much he loves the noise of the fans here, you won't get that environment in TO. That's a big plus for him here.
I haven't heard a peep about Walters. Would a combo GM/Coach options be available to him here? Would MOS be negotiating for that possibly? Until he signs, these are all just conversations and nothing more.
Walters usually holds an end of season press conference to summarize the year, maybe he's holding off until next week to wrap in the Grey Cup. Anyone know if he is involved in planning any of the GC activities and logistics or is that all done at Wade's level?
maybe they will turf walters and make MOS the HC and GM to keep him.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 14, 2025, 06:17:12 PMmaybe they will turf walters and make MOS the HC and GM to keep him.
I don't see that happening and don't think it's a wise decision in any case.
Quote from: Jesse on November 14, 2025, 05:30:11 PMI'm not sure what your slight is on Jeff Hamilton. I source him because he's the president of the football writers of Canada and does a weekly article as well as a podcast on the happenings around the CFL. He's the most plugged in guy that fans have access to. He's specifically covered the Bombers for MOS's whole tenure.
Regardless, while no one know what MOS's motivations are when it comes to what his future choices are, the specific scenario you talked about doesn't make sense to me. Just given the control that MOS has within the Winnipeg organization and the multitude of voices within the Toronto organization. Dinwiddie left for a reason, afterall.
I tend to agree with blue_or_die that if he were to leave, it would probably be more of an emotional decision that because of any degree of control or lack thereof. I feel very confident that there's nothing Toronto could offer in that respect that he doesn't already have.
If all that is true then Kyle Walters is essentially O'Shea's admin assistant. I don't think that's reality. Who built the team O'Shea molded into the core we have? That would be Kyle Walters. He almost certainly has a voice at the table and would be very correct to have a more unemotional, analytical view of the team this year, and it would not be shocking if his take was that we weren't very good. I have no slight on Jeff Hamilton it's just a dumb argument to make. Sports reporters don't usually write articles about how decisions are made within organizations and the balance of power between executives, do they? Would the Bombers really tell him anyway? No. There's only a handful of people that would know these things and they're the three men involved and their close confidants.
O'Shea was at the CFL Awards Ceremony last night sitting with his wife, haven't heard if anyone attempted to ask him any questions about his status.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 14, 2025, 06:26:50 PMI don't see that happening and don't think it's a wise decision in any case.
Agree. I have respect for all 3 of the Madia Men but IMO this is Kyle Walters' team.
If Osh moves on I most definitely want to see him have a crack with a new head coach and staff and philosophy since he was extremely successful (like, at an historical level) his first round with MOS.
My hot take is that I don't think MOS would be a very good GM. He's a player's coach who can build a superb and winning locker room and culture but like I alluded to in my earlier post, I think he's a pure emotion and vibes guy. That's great for coaching (well, most of the time..) but not for the guy behind the big desk handing out contracts.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 14, 2025, 08:17:00 PMAgree. I have respect for all 3 of the Madia Men but IMO this is Kyle Walters' team.
If Osh moves on I most definitely want to see him have a crack with a new head coach and staff and philosophy since he was extremely successful (like, at an historical level) his first round with MOS.
My hot take is that I don't think MOS would be a very good GM. He's a player's coach who can build a superb and winning locker room and culture but like I alluded to in my earlier post, I think he's a pure emotion and vibes guy. That's great for coaching (well, most of the time..) but not for the guy behind the big desk handing out contracts.
Seems to me in the past he's said he had no interest in the GM job, negotiating contracts and such. I don't think he has the personality type to have a lot of football contacts other than the people he's worked with before, not set out to be a schmoozer.
maybe Kyle has a bad reputation as a GM, maybe it's well known that MOS does all the work...that statement is just as speculative as many others in this thread.
i suspect by next week at this time we will know whether MOS is staying or going and either way it will be whatever he wants, he holds the cards, the only thing that could derail things is if he leaves the teams hanging for an inordinate amount of time.
edit the above.
we know now he is staying with the Bombers
from bombers twitter:
Mike O'Shea will return as head coach in 2026. More details to follow.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 14, 2025, 09:23:43 PMedit the above.
we know now he is staying as head coach
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have announced that Mike O'Shea will be back as the team's head coach in 2026.
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/14/official-mike-oshea-to-return-as-winnipeg-blue-bombers-head-coach-in-2026/
Never any doubt
Wade Miller just announced on CJOB Kyle Walters will also be back. Less exciting but glad Osh is back! I assume the same term but he didn't say.
Quote from: dd on November 13, 2025, 04:11:04 PMThis is what I ve been expecting. As I said before, it's a done deal my friends, done deal
Thank you for your participation in this thread. Show yourself out now. The door is two steps to the left. He's staying :)
Deep breath people!
Now we can celebrate this
" WINNIPEG — Trey Vaval's special skills have been recognized as such.
The first-year player has been named the game's Most Outstanding Special Teams Player after collecting a league-high four returns for touchdowns, while accumulating 11 total big plays.
Vaval double dipped on the evening, also being named the league's Most Outstanding Rookie."
What a find he is. My favourite player this season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2025, 09:26:28 PMThe Winnipeg Blue Bombers have announced that Mike O'Shea will be back as the team's head coach in 2026.
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/14/official-mike-oshea-to-return-as-winnipeg-blue-bombers-head-coach-in-2026/
And there you have it MOS is back.
I think I know what some people will be eating tonight.
well I for one am glad that OShea and Walters will both be back. They each deserve another chance, no other team has come close in the least decade to the record that they have put together in terms of wins, grey cup appearances, profitability and fan support.
I along with a lot of posters may complain about some decisions such as roster decisions and players such as JT, but when you step back from the trees and look at the overall picture its been a successful one
Walters also is back:
The Canadian Mafia remains intact.
Less than an hour after announcing the return of head coach Mike O'Shea, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers revealed that general manager Kyle Walters will also be back with the club in 2026.
The terms of their new contracts have not yet been disclosed. They were both on deals that were set to expire.
Walters, a 52-year-old from St. Thomas, Ont., has been Winnipeg's GM since 2014. He was the interim GM in 2013 after the club fired Joe Mack.
He initially joined the club in 2010 as a special teams co-ordinator after playing seven seasons with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats as a defensive back.
- Free Press
Good MOS is back Walters not so sure, yet.
This is great OF these realize they must cut off the chaff and start anew on both Lines, receiver, and more.
Quote from: dd on November 14, 2025, 10:58:24 PMSo I was wrong, big deal, been wrong a bunch of times and will be wrong no doubt in the future, but you don't have to be a jerk about it. So childish.
Oh dd just go with it. You and
@J5V were pretty darn sure he was gonzo. :D
This is awesome, this ball club will find success next year if we can improve our DL and OL. Everything else will follow the success of those units imo. Improve the play calling and get more consistent on offense. One more year, one more year.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 14, 2025, 11:01:16 PMOh dd just go with it. You and @J5V were pretty darn sure he was gonzo. :D
Yep, I thought he was gonzo, and I have mixed emotions about him staying. I haven't been crazy with MOS's HCing performance of late. The 3 Grey Cup losses, the personnel decisions, some of his in-game decisions regarding when and if to use challenges and/or time-outs. He's been doing this long enough now that he should be much better at it than what has manifested in reality of late.
Now they need to get to work and fix the mess they created.
Yes. Very happy both are back. Was getting worried.
the only downside is that it means we will prob have to go through another season of hogan learning on the fly and entire quarters with 0-3 first downs.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 15, 2025, 01:54:31 AMthe only downside is that it means we will prob have to go through another season of hogan learning on the fly and entire quarters with 0-3 first downs.
Well, if they don't address a few issues I expect they'll be on the outside looking in again at this time next year. Pretty sure O'Shea will continue on defiantly with the same predilections as if everything is working out as planned.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 15, 2025, 01:54:31 AMthe only downside is that it means we will prob have to go through another season of hogan learning on the fly and entire quarters with 0-3 first downs.
Another season of doom and gloom predictions before it even starts
How about we let the club reset before we hammer the worst case scenario button
Year 2 easier than year 1, just like when MOS and Hall came, there will continue to be bumps in the road that will smooth over time (hope anyway)
Quote from: Waffler on November 14, 2025, 01:48:04 PMI am talking about tickets sold, fan experience. Winning always helps but it has to be fun to attend in person. Ottawa and Montreal have both had the franchise folded, that was my point. Both were considered lost causes as Toronto is now. These are fun places to be now and prove that it is not impossible to turn it around.
Ya, but that's a Prez (WM) thing, not a HC thing. Nothing MOS could have done to make it "funner" in TOR. That's on Pinball... and higher. They need to bring back John Candy!
Quote from: bwiser on November 14, 2025, 04:21:19 PMIs there a worse job available in the CFL than head coach of the Argos? Poor crowd support, poor support by ownership and 13 road games in 2026 equals a big no thanks.
And subordinate coaches/backoffice that have fistfights with fans! Don't forget that one!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2025, 08:24:48 PMI don't think he has the personality type to have a lot of football contacts other than the people he's worked with before, not set out to be a schmoozer.
Tru dat, whatever the opposite of "schmoozer" is, that's MOS.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 14, 2025, 09:23:43 PMwe know now he is staying with the Bombers
See y'all in 2 years for the exact same every-2-year thread! Thanks for the $1000 dinner and first class plane tickets, TOR!
Suck it TOR!! Get back to work putting Humpty Dumpty's leg back together again
Quote from: J5V on November 15, 2025, 12:55:51 AMwhen and if to use challenges and/or time-outs. He's been doing this long enough now that he should be much better at it than what has manifested in reality of late.
I thought he was good at challenges this season. Must have had a decent win rate. The worst you can say this season is he hung onto them until the 4th and let a few challengeable things go. But in the CFL you have to do this, especially when you are a team never favored by the refs. You MUST keep those zebras honest.
As for clock/TO management... I think we only had that one real screw up, and one more dumb non-use of TO.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 15, 2025, 01:54:31 AMthe only downside is that it means we will prob have to go through another season of hogan learning on the fly and entire quarters with 0-3 first downs.
Almost certainly, unless Zach/Brady/Stan/Neuf revolt. If they truly think he's to blame for all of our losses, I could see them ganging up to say "he stays, we walk" (well, harder for Zach because he's under contract, but you get my point).
A lot of people, including MOS/Zach, were quick to point out the last few pressers that Hogan was still learning and it's kind of like they're letting it slide he had a subpar year. We all should hope (expect?) he'll have a much better sophomore year.
My big beef with Hogan is he doesn't seem to implement or understand the in-game and inter-game "setup". Lapo was the master, and Buck did ok at it too. You set little decoys and tendencies and misdirection for a while, then when everyone is looking that way because it's happened X times, or was in their film study, you hit them with the hidden play usually on the other side. Man, I miss Lapo's 9 games setups for the big payoff in the 10th game...
Buck had one in '24 (I think) where Kenny did the Demski fly sweep and no one followed him. Because everyone knows Kenny doesn't sweep.
Quote from: Tecno on November 15, 2025, 03:09:51 AMSee y'all in 2 years for the exact same every-2-year thread! Thanks for the $1000 dinner and first class plane tickets, TOR!
Suck it TOR!! Get back to work putting Humpty Dumpty's leg back together again
One year? Didn't he only sign for one year? 2026..next year. Humpty Dumpty LOL
Quote from: Tecno on November 15, 2025, 03:12:20 AMBut in the CFL you have to do this, especially when you are a team never favored by the refs. You MUST keep those zebras honest.
Oh groan. Every homer's complaint.
::)
Quote from: tlf on November 15, 2025, 04:17:23 AMOne year? Didn't he only sign for one year? 2026..next year
Then I'll be back in 1 year instead of 2 to remind y'all!
P.S. I've seen nothing yet that says it's just for 1 year. I'd think 2 years (as is the norm) is as likely. If you have more info about it, post a link
My favorite part of the re-signing of Osh is that Chris Jones won't be coaching here next season.
Berger & that other media guy sure beclowned themselves, eh? Saying it's a done deal. Pffft. These aren't fans, these are guys who are supposed to be "in the know".
Ya, not listening to anything they say ever again! Bye!
Quote from: J5V on November 15, 2025, 12:55:51 AMYep, I thought he was gonzo, and I have mixed emotions about him staying. I haven't been crazy with MOS's HCing performance of late. The 3 Grey Cup losses
Wait... let's just think about what you're saying, and others are saying. Upset at 3 Grey Cup losses. What fans of a team in the CFL wouldn't LOVE to have been in the Grey Cup 3 years in a row ? Let alone 5 years in a row ? Win or lose. What fans wouldn't love to have the success in the last 5 years. Regardless of the success over the last 8 years, people are unhappy about the last grey cup losses ? At least we were there. I'm sure rider, elk, red black, ti-cat, lion, stamp fans would love to have what blue bomber fans have had in the last 10 years. And I would hope they'd appreciate the success!
Sheeeeesh
Well, ok maybe rider fans wouldn't appreciate it. They love running players and coaches out of town!
Quote from: VictorRomano on November 15, 2025, 05:25:06 AMMy favorite part of the re-signing of Osh is that Chris Jones won't be coaching here next season.
WTH ::)
Quote from: Tecno on November 15, 2025, 09:06:32 AMBerger & that other media guy sure beclowned themselves, eh? Saying it's a done deal. Pffft. These aren't fans, these are guys who are supposed to be "in the know".
Ya, not listening to anything they say ever again! Bye!
The Crow is now on Manitoba's endangered species list.
My biggest concern is that we will stick with status quo on the coaching staff now.
MOS, Walters and Miller have an opportunity to address the main issue we had last year, namely not having a proven OC.
Never been a huge fan of Condell, but with the tools he would have here, it would certainly be an upgrade for him and us.
We know Lapo is not an option, unless they give him scouting duties and the double paycheck.
I'm not sold on Jackson, he was here last year and it didn't help.
We need to blow the front office $SMS budget and get MOS the best O mind out there, so he can have all three aspects well managed.
If we can keep Younger and Miller... there's always a chance someone may take a run at them.
Walters has some work to do on the roster, and MOS needs to work on his staff. Status quo is going to make for a very, very tough year.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 15, 2025, 02:34:04 PMMy biggest concern is that we will stick with status quo on the coaching staff now.
MOS, Walters and Miller have an opportunity to address the main issue we had last year, namely not having a proven OC.
Never been a huge fan of Condell, but with the tools he would have here, it would certainly be an upgrade for him and us.
We know Lapo is not an option, unless they give him scouting duties and the double paycheck.
I'm not sold on Jackson, he was here last year and it didn't help.
We need to blow the front office $SMS budget and get MOS the best O mind out there, so he can have all three aspects well managed.
If we can keep Younger and Miller... there's always a chance someone may take a run at them.
Walters has some work to do on the roster, and MOS needs to work on his staff. Status quo is going to make for a very, very tough year.
Doesn't work like that. We have MOSand Walters so we gotta cheap out elsewhere.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 15, 2025, 02:34:04 PMMy biggest concern is that we will stick with status quo on the coaching staff now.
MOS, Walters and Miller have an opportunity to address the main issue we had last year, namely not having a proven OC.
Never been a huge fan of Condell, but with the tools he would have here, it would certainly be an upgrade for him and us.
We know Lapo is not an option, unless they give him scouting duties and the double paycheck.
I'm not sold on Jackson, he was here last year and it didn't help.
We need to blow the front office $SMS budget and get MOS the best O mind out there, so he can have all three aspects well managed.
If we can keep Younger and Miller... there's always a chance someone may take a run at them.
Walters has some work to do on the roster, and MOS needs to work on his staff. Status quo is going to make for a very, very tough year.
I can't see Miller going anywhere soon. Mike is very happy in Winnipeg. It would have to be a lot more money then he's making here and I just don't think any team has that in there budget.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2025, 02:49:06 PMI can't see Miller going anywhere soon. Mike is very happy in Winnipeg. It would have to be a lot more money then he's making here and I just don't think any team has that in there budget.
I think Miller could be the next coach of the Blue Bombers after O'Shea moves on.
Quote from: bwiser on November 15, 2025, 02:54:00 PMI think Miller could be the next coach of the Blue Bombers after O'Shea moves on.
If someone comes asking about him, does he not listen?
Can we tap him along like Calgary did Mark Kilam?
That said, the Bombers do seek to move STC's to top positions. Both Walters and MOS were STC before their current positions.
O'Shea was being wooed by the Toronto Argonauts, travelling there earlier this week on what a source with knowledge of the situation described as a fact-finding mission.
Argos general manager Mike (Pinball) Clemons was hoping to lure O'Shea back east, closer to his home of North Bay, Ont., and to the place he spent the majority of his career as a player and began his career as a coach.
Speculation was Clemons might offer his former teammate expanded responsibilities, but the source says O'Shea never inquired about the GM title or recommended any changes to the Argos organization.
"It was fact-finding and family-oriented first," the source said.
It's curious the social media posts only mention 2026, as O'Shea's and Walters' last few contracts have been for three-year terms.
-Paul Friesen
So WHO does Toronto hire? It seems it was MOS or bust.
I am wondering if they want to talk to Corey Mace, who just signed a contract but that is for head coach only. He's been DC there, they know him.
Quote from: bomb squad on November 14, 2025, 10:43:50 PMI think I know what some people will be eating tonight.
Starting with that washed up bozo Howard Berger.
Glad this has been resolved. O'Shea seems pretty pragmatic to me, so his decision to stay here makes the most sense.
Let's see how 2026 goes and then take it from there.
When we thought MOS was leaving, there wasn't a consensus who to go after to replace him.
I think Pinball is in a similar position...
Is Chris Jones working?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2025, 04:16:50 PMStarting with that washed up bozo Howard Berger.
Glad this has been resolved. O'Shea seems pretty pragmatic to me, so his decision to stay here makes the most sense.
Let's see how 2026 goes and then take it from there.
sorry to have to ask but who is Howard Berger??? I live in Calgary and am sort of out of touch at times with all the folks involved. And yes let's see what 2026 brings. Hopefully there will be significant changes that add value to the team.
Ok. Onward and upward. Which others in the staff decide to leave due to offers elsewhere. Who might the Bombers be interested in gaining from other organizations.
There are many good candidates but not all are interested in moving.
Is there any interest in considering Lapo as an OC and assistant HC? Bombers don't currently have an official assistant HC. Another person I like is Pat Delmonaco in that role ( he is rather embedded in Calgary ).
What do you guys think about bringing in Brian Dobie, Orlondo Steinauer and Andrew Harris to our coaching staff? Don't think Lapo will leave his warm job.
Jackson or Burris QB coach
Orlando OC
Harris RB/assist OC
Brian Dobie anywhere for his experience
Hogan doesn't know how to change things at !/2 time to improve for the 2nd half.
Also need better work from our O line coach and D line coach
Quote from: Blue72 on November 15, 2025, 06:05:30 PMWhat do you guys think about bringing in Brian Dobie, Orlondo Steinauer and Andrew Harris to our coaching staff? Don't think Lapo will leave his warm job.
Jackson or Burris QB coach
Orlando OC
Harris RB/assist OC
Brian Dobie anywhere for his experience
Hogan doesn't know how to change things at !/2 time to improve for the 2nd half.
Also need better work from our O line coach and D line coach
I think the coaching staff is locked in already.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 15, 2025, 04:28:53 PMWhen we thought MOS was leaving, there wasn't a consensus who to go after to replace him.
I think Pinball is in a similar position...
Is Chris Jones working?
Never thought MOS was leaving.
Quote from: Waffler on November 15, 2025, 03:17:34 PMSo WHO does Toronto hire? It seems it was MOS or bust.
Chris Jones. Please let it be Chris Jones :D :D :D
Quote from: Tecno on November 15, 2025, 03:07:55 AMTru dat, whatever the opposite of "schmoozer" is, that's MOS.
Curmudgeon.
Quote from: Waffler on November 15, 2025, 03:17:34 PMO'Shea was being wooed by the Toronto Argonauts, travelling there earlier this week on what a source with knowledge of the situation described as a fact-finding mission.
Argos general manager Mike (Pinball) Clemons was hoping to lure O'Shea back east, closer to his home of North Bay, Ont., and to the place he spent the majority of his career as a player and began his career as a coach.
Speculation was Clemons might offer his former teammate expanded responsibilities, but the source says O'Shea never inquired about the GM title or recommended any changes to the Argos organization.
"It was fact-finding and family-oriented first," the source said.
It's curious the social media posts only mention 2026, as O'Shea's and Walters' last few contracts have been for three-year terms.
-Paul Friesen
So WHO does Toronto hire? It seems it was MOS or bust.
I am wondering if they want to talk to Corey Mace, who just signed a contract but that is for head coach only. He's been DC there, they know him.
Bob Dyce is available. ;D
Quote from: Blue72 on November 15, 2025, 06:05:30 PMWhat do you guys think about bringing in Brian Dobie, Orlondo Steinauer and Andrew Harris to our coaching staff? Don't think Lapo will leave his warm job.
Jackson or Burris QB coach
Orlando OC
Harris RB/assist OC
Brian Dobie anywhere for his experience
Hogan doesn't know how to change things at !/2 time to improve for the 2nd half.
Also need better work from our O line coach and D line coach
I mentioned AH33 last year and most thought it wasn't a good idea. I think the only way AH leaves the Riders is if he gets a OC spot.
Love Brian Dobbie but pass.
Orlando as DC
Burris as OC/QB coach.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 15, 2025, 05:29:08 PMOk. Onward and upward. Which others in the staff decide to leave due to offers elsewhere. Who might the Bombers be interested in gaining from other organizations.
There are many good candidates but not all are interested in moving.
Is there any interest in considering Lapo as an OC and assistant HC? Bombers don't currently have an official assistant HC. Another person I like is Pat Delmonaco in that role ( he is rather embedded in Calgary ).
If they're going to move on from Hogan, do it fast so they have some options. First look at who is immediately available, Tommy Condell is a tariff free option. He's the coach Zach credits for showing him the ropes of the CFL game in Hamilton, so he likely still has a good relationship with him. He was also the Ti-Cats OC in 2019 when they ran into the Bombers in the GC after going 15-3 during the season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 15, 2025, 04:16:50 PMStarting with that washed up bozo Howard Berger.
Glad this has been resolved. O'Shea seems pretty pragmatic to me, so his decision to stay here makes the most sense.
Let's see how 2026 goes and then take it from there.
Old man Berger should just shut his yap. :D
Quote from: Jesse on November 15, 2025, 06:08:27 PMI think the coaching staff is locked in already.
Likely true but its going to be an issue. Hogan is an awful OC.
Quote from: wpg#1 on November 15, 2025, 01:23:10 PMWait... let's just think about what you're saying, and others are saying. Upset at 3 Grey Cup losses. What fans of a team in the CFL wouldn't LOVE to have been in the Grey Cup 3 years in a row ? Let alone 5 years in a row ? Win or lose. What fans wouldn't love to have the success in the last 5 years. Regardless of the success over the last 8 years, people are unhappy about the last grey cup losses ? At least we were there. I'm sure rider, elk, red black, ti-cat, lion, stamp fans would love to have what blue bomber fans have had in the last 10 years. And I would hope they'd appreciate the success!
Sheeeeesh
Getting to 5 grey cups is awesome but losing the last 3 grey cups in a row sucks especially with the player personnel we had. I can't help but wonder, could we have won them all with a better performance from our Head Coach and his staff? Did we get out-coached in those 3 losses? I think there could be an argument there. If this is the best we're going to get from O'Shea when we present him with the best player personnel in the league then that is a fail and if O'Shea doesn't have what it takes to get a great team over the top then he better have the best OC and DC possible to help him get the job done. I think that has been a big fail as well. Walters doesn't get a pass here either for the same reason. I haven't been impressed with his performance of late either.
Paul LaPolice is not an option for OC. He is the head coach of the Canadian men's national flag football team and he is committed to that through the 2028 Olympics.
One name that came up briefly last year is Mike Miller, QB coach of the Argonauts (not to be confused with Mike Miller, Blue Bombers ST coach). He seems to be ready to step into an OC role. Some speculation suggests that he was the real QB whisperer in Toronto, not Dinwiddie.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2025, 06:28:11 PMI mentioned AH33 last year and most thought it wasn't a good idea. I think the only way AH leaves the Riders is if he gets a OC spot.
Love Brian Dobbie but pass.
Orlando as DC
Burris as OC/QB coach.
AH is a bottom rung position coach. I'm sure he'd leave for any advancement. It likely won't be with Winnipeg under the current regime.
Orlondo was the Ti-cats HC before moving into the front office...you think he's leaving to be another teams coordinator?
Burris has spent the last few years in the NFL and NCAA. I think he's planning on staying in the US as long as possible as he hasn't used any of his CFL contacts in his post playing career.
Also, our GM and HC are returning. They've only ever expressed confidence in their staff. I think it's safe to say there are no open positions to fill.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on November 15, 2025, 09:42:54 PMPaul LaPolice is not an option for OC. He is the head coach of the Canadian men's national flag football team and he is committed to that through the 2028 Olympics.
One name that came up briefly last year is Mike Miller, QB coach of the Argonauts (not to be confused with Mike Miller, Blue Bombers ST coach). He seems to be ready to step into an OC role. Some speculation suggests that he was the real QB whisperer in Toronto, not Dinwiddie.
I don't know that doesn't change if he's offered a CFL position. When is the flag football season? Ten player roster, 5 on 5 doesn't sound exciting for a former CFL HC.
Henry Burris is not with Texas....
" In April 2024, Burris was named the co-offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for Florida A&M.[31]"
I checked, because I was curious when his name came up as a candidate for Ottawa, I think it was.
He seems to move around a lot.
Kind of interesting the head coach there...Florida a.m. . Was in Canada coaching, "Colzie was the defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach for the UBC Thunderbirds in 2015 and helped them win the Vanier Cup.[13] In 2016, he was named head coach of the Saint Mary's Huskies.[16] He served as their head coach for five seasons "
Canada is a better path to American Football jobs for coaches than it is for players.
Quote from: markf on November 15, 2025, 10:00:24 PMHenry Burris is not with Texas....
" In April 2024, Burris was named the co-offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for Florida A&M.[31]"
I checked, because I was curious when his name came up as a candidate for Ottawa, I think it was.
He seems to move around a lot.
Kind of interesting the head coach there...Florida a.m. . Was in Canada coaching, "Colzie was the defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach for the UBC Thunderbirds in 2015 and helped them win the Vanier Cup.[13] In 2016, he was named head coach of the Saint Mary's Huskies.[16] He served as their head coach for five seasons "
Canada is a better path to American Football jobs for coaches than it is for players.
My bad. Will edit.
Quote from: Jesse on November 15, 2025, 10:11:17 PMMy bad. Will edit.
No problem... I thought that financially Henry wouldn't be interested in the CFL, but his boss.. the head coach Colzie makes ...
"Colzie who was officially introduced by the university Monday, has signed a three-year deal worth $720,000."
Quote from: markf on November 15, 2025, 10:49:00 PMNo problem... I thought that financially Henry wouldn't be interested in the CFL, but his boss.. the head coach Colzie makes ...
"Colzie who was officially introduced by the university Monday, has signed a three-year deal worth $720,000."
In U.S. dollars, no less. Wowser! $1,010,196.00 CAD
All this speculation about coaching staff changes...guys, it's Mike O'Shea. When Paul Friesen inevitably asks him if he's considering new coordinators/other staff he will go on about how hard this group has worked and how far they've come etc etc.
I'm hoping that the (fairly obvious, imo) weaknesses are addressed between MOS and KW but they're not suddenly going to become changed people because of one bad season - for better or for worse.
In a best case scenario they figure out solutions to our problems and in a worst case scenario it's the definition of insanity and we continue a decline.
I'm happy to have the continuity but after getting completely embarrassed by Nick Arbuckle a year ago and now losing as a crossover team in a Grey Cup host year, let's just say I'm in "wait and see mode".
Quote from: J5V on November 15, 2025, 10:59:33 PMIn U.S. dollars, no less. Wowser! $1,010,196.00 CAD
US College football is a different animal. it is a way of life.
Quote from: bwiser on November 15, 2025, 02:54:00 PMI think Miller could be the next coach of the Blue Bombers after O'Shea moves on.
I don't
Quote from: Blue72 on November 15, 2025, 06:05:30 PMWhat do you guys think about bringing in Brian Dobie, Orlondo Steinauer and Andrew Harris to our coaching staff? Don't think Lapo will leave his warm job.
Jackson or Burris QB coach
Orlando OC
Harris RB/assist OC
Brian Dobie anywhere for his experience
Hogan doesn't know how to change things at !/2 time to improve for the 2nd half.
Also need better work from our O line coach and D line coach
Agreed. Orlondo Steinauer is such a class act and is very good friends with Mike O'Shea. I'd be thrilled to see Orlondo Steinauer here in any capacity.
I also agree with you 100% about Hogan and his apparent inability to make halftime adjustments. Now that we know O'Shea is staying I don't anticipate any changes though.
I for one am happy the both O'Shea and Walter's are back. I also expect the status quo for the rest of the coaching staff. I'm actually ok with Hogan returning from the perspective that in every job one gets better with experience. Having said that if things don't improve next year then we should move on.
I also hope that the team reconsiders it's D philosophy and returns to a 4 man fronts and recruits accordingly. Just a observation but the 2 teams vieing for the Cup employ 4 man fronts coincidence 🤔
Quote from: Waffler on November 15, 2025, 03:17:34 PMO'Shea was being wooed by the Toronto Argonauts, travelling there earlier this week on what a source with knowledge of the situation described as a fact-finding mission.
Argos general manager Mike (Pinball) Clemons was hoping to lure O'Shea back east, closer to his home of North Bay, Ont., and to the place he spent the majority of his career as a player and began his career as a coach.
Speculation was Clemons might offer his former teammate expanded responsibilities, but the source says O'Shea never inquired about the GM title or recommended any changes to the Argos organization.
"It was fact-finding and family-oriented first," the source said.
It's curious the social media posts only mention 2026, as O'Shea's and Walters' last few contracts have been for three-year terms.
-Paul Friesen
So WHO does Toronto hire? It seems it was MOS or bust.
I am wondering if they want to talk to Corey Mace, who just signed a contract but that is for head coach only. He's been DC there, they know him.
Rick Campbell wouldn't be the Argos worst choice to replace Dinwiddie, he's an affable guy that seems to get along with everyone except maybe Amar Doman.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 15, 2025, 02:34:04 PMMy biggest concern is that we will stick with status quo on the coaching staff now.
MOS, Walters and Miller have an opportunity to address the main issue we had last year, namely not having a proven OC.
A lesson from F1: Honda returned to F1 as an engine supplier to McLaren in 2015. Both Honda & McLaren sucked for those 3 years. McLaren then ditched Honda in 2018 and continued sucking. Redbull picked up the Honda engine, and immediately started getting podiums and winning races -- eventually starting to win championships in '21. McLaren languished until '24, changing engines every few years.
The point is McLaren had all the pain of developing the Honda engine, but bailed right before the payoff -- thinking that the engine was the problem. Redbull picked up the scraps (probably cheaply) and has been great ever since.
In my parable, Hogan is the Honda engine. '25 WPG may be the '15-'17 McLaren years. This may be the teething pain. Ditch Hogan and maybe he goes elsewhere to let another team reap the reward of his dev time here.
Or he just sucks total rocks. That's the tricky part... Is Hogan a Honda? Or a Cogsworth?
My money is on them keeping him for '26. And as I always say: there's no money for a "real" OC anyhow. ESPECIALLY after they just re-upped MOS with probably a juicy-woocy $$ bump.
Quote from: Blue72 on November 15, 2025, 06:05:30 PMJackson or Burris QB coach
Orlando OC
Harris RB/assist OC
Brian Dobie anywhere for his experience
All well and good, but there is $0 left in coaches cap. In fact probably negative $250k.
The AH ship has sailed, bridges are burnt, and Brady doesn't want to work under him. Too bad, as it was a natural choice, and effective as Ouellette says AH is the reason he gets so hyped up. AH will never be returning.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2025, 06:28:11 PMI mentioned AH33 last year and most thought it wasn't a good idea. I think the only way AH leaves the Riders is if he gets a OC spot.
I love AH to death, and will forever. But OC? AH is as thick as a ton of bricks. If I ever have to hear AH say how he is "calm, cool and collective" again I think I'll go postal. He is what he is, and he's second to none at it. A genius OC: he is not.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 15, 2025, 06:17:58 PMCurmudgeon.
Perfect! P.S. There's a dude who sits in my section sometimes with Curmudgeon on his jersey. I always LOL
Quote from: J5V on November 15, 2025, 09:08:56 PMDid we get out-coached in those 3 losses? I think there could be an argument there.
To be fair to MOS, watch his last 2-3 pressers. He's getting real introspective about what he should have maybe done during the season regarding poking his head in more doors (read: Hogan's) and inject himself a bit more. He usually says this right before he quips about being horrible at X's and O's.
This is new. He's never talked this way before.
I think he is still growing and learning. I think he sees what more he needs to do to ensure a high-caliber team. I think he's directly speaking to the Hogan issue and giving us a blueprint on how he'll tackle the same problem in '26. I bet all of Mafia is working on this.
MOS probably misses the day he had a "real" OC like Lapo, who was always the smartest O guy in the room everywhere he went. But such is the life of the stifling coaches cap.
I'm optimistic we'll see '25 problems addressed in '26 -- even with no change to coaches.
Quote from: J5V on November 15, 2025, 11:12:05 PMI also agree with you 100% about Hogan and his apparent inability to make halftime adjustments.
Except in ESF's ;D ;D ;D ;D
We put up more points in that 3rd Q than I think we did in every 3rd Q all season combined! Now that's some adjusting!
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 15, 2025, 11:04:02 PMI'm happy to have the continuity but after getting completely embarrassed by Nick Arbuckle a year ago
The farther that '24 GC games gets in the past, the more I become convinced we win that game if Zach doesn't get his thumb sliced off by that Freddy Krueger DL.
Quote from: Tecno on November 16, 2025, 07:56:21 AMThe farther that '24 GC games gets in the past, the more I become convinced we win that game if Zach doesn't get his thumb sliced off by that Freddy Krueger DL.
That's the one of the three losses that I have zero regrets about. We never seemed to be in that game.
The '22 and '23 games should have been ours though.
Quote from: BBRT on November 15, 2025, 04:29:36 PMsorry to have to ask but who is Howard Berger???
He's a former radio guy from Toronto who claimed it was a done deal O'Shea was going to Toronto to be the HC there.
I hope he's been choking on bitter crow all weekend. ;D
Quote from: Tecno on November 16, 2025, 07:54:41 AMExcept in ESF's ;D ;D ;D ;D
We put up more points in that 3rd Q than I think we did in every 3rd Q all season combined! Now that's some adjusting!
Als came out flat in the third having crushed us 17-0 after one and 25-6 at the half. I don't put much stock in our 3rd quarter adjustments. Lipstick on a pig.
If they don't fire Hogan I give up all hope in Oshea.
If they have no money for a good OC than get rid of Jackson, Hall and Hogan, that should free up some cash. If our DC is so good why do we need Hall same goes for our OC.
Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2025, 11:08:35 AMThat's the one of the three losses that I have zero regrets about. We never seemed to be in that game.
The '22 and '23 games should have been ours though.
Most people seem to have this take and I don't understand it at all. The second Kelly went down everyone had the game in the bag for us. We were instantly the better team and all we had to do was play decently well and we fell flat on our faces. The other two games were horrible losses but last year's shouldn't have even been a question if we were "in" the game. Complete and utter failure.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 16, 2025, 04:25:20 PMMost people seem to have this take and I don't understand it at all. The second Kelly went down everyone had the game in the bag for us. We were instantly the better team and all we had to do was play decently well and we fell flat on our faces. The other two games were horrible losses but last year's shouldn't have even been a question if we were "in" the game. Complete and utter failure.
I completely mean in retrospect. Of course going into the game I felt that way, but Arbuckle did shred us and our offence wasnt lighting it up before Zach got hurt. We were never in control of that game. And it was our weakest team of the run that whole season.
But during the games of '22 and '23, we were in the lead late in both games and just had to finish. But gave both games away.
Just saw on Twitter (https://x.com/Wpg_BlueBombers/status/1990488209013309923) that both Walters and O'Shea have signed new contracts through the 2028 season.
I imagine an official announcement will be made shortly.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 17, 2025, 05:44:49 PMJust saw on Twitter (https://x.com/Wpg_BlueBombers/status/1990488209013309923) that both Walters and O'Shea have signed new contracts through the 2028 season.
I imagine an official announcement will be made shortly.
Yeah it was just made. Pretty typical contract length. I don't imagine there was any significant increase to salaries at this point.
Now they just have to right the ship and I think scouting is the biggest problem as an observation from the outside.
That said, O'Shea must get past keeping older highly paid under performers. It's time to move on from a few and spend the SMS elsewhere.
List of things I want for 2026:
1. revamped O-line
2. revamped D-line
3. see 1, 2new OC
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 17, 2025, 05:50:43 PMList of things I want for 2026:
1. revamped O-line
2. revamped D-line
3. see 1, 2
Add receivers to that need list.
What I don't want is to see some things that look pre determined before TC even starts. We probably looked at 50 plus receivers in try out camps and signings for TC. Was there any doubt that the free agency signings meant there was no real though of a rookie winning out?
Seriously, we didn't even keep a rookie receiver on the PR after TC. That was a bad sign and it was obvious in the early going.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 17, 2025, 05:55:06 PMAdd receivers to that need list.
That'd be 4th on my list. I'd probably be okay with just one really good FA acquisition in that regard.
I amended my list because I had forced myself to forget what a terrible OC Hogan was this past season. He needs to go away.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 17, 2025, 05:44:49 PMJust saw on Twitter (https://x.com/Wpg_BlueBombers/status/1990488209013309923) that both Walters and O'Shea have signed new contracts through the 2028 season.
I imagine an official announcement will be made shortly.
Great, glad that debate is dead, gives them ample time to turn the ship around.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 16, 2025, 04:25:20 PMMost people seem to have this take and I don't understand it at all. The second Kelly went down everyone had the game in the bag for us. We were instantly the better team and all we had to do was play decently well and we fell flat on our faces. The other two games were horrible losses but last year's shouldn't have even been a question if we were "in" the game. Complete and utter failure.
I feel the 24 GC game was a precursor to this past season, even before Zach sliced his finger he was attempting 30 yd passes when he only needed 6 for a first down, choosing higher risk passes and failing to sustain drives. The offensive playbook has gotten worse every year since LaPo left.
The Riders put on an offensive clinic yesterday, Harris went 23/27 for 302 yds with 0 interceptions, Alexander was stuck in Zach mode trying to bite off big chunks and coming up short.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 17, 2025, 06:15:31 PMThe offensive playbook has gotten worse every year since LaPo left.
This is just revisionist history.
This team was an offensive juggernaut in both '22 and '23 with Pierce as OC. Look at the all-stars on those teams, not to mention the statistics. If anything, an aging vet group and some key injuries have led to the decline on offense the last couple of seasons. A healthy Schoen alone makes a positive impact on production, IMO.
Pierce clearly learned a fair bit from LaPolice. It doesn't seem like Hogan can say the same vis a vis Pierce, though.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 17, 2025, 05:55:06 PMAdd receivers to that need list.
What I don't want is to see some things that look pre determined before TC even starts. We probably looked at 50 plus receivers in try out camps and signings for TC. Was there any doubt that the free agency signings meant there was no real though of a rookie winning out?
Seriously, we didn't even keep a rookie receiver on the PR after TC. That was a bad sign and it was obvious in the early going.
Playing too many inexperienced receivers was a problem the last 2 seasons, not the solution. Zach demands receivers know the playbook and how to adapt to situational play which requires experience or high football intelligence, which makes it strange that he let them dump Woli, who could have been the stabilizing ingredient after Schoen went down.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 17, 2025, 06:28:13 PMPlaying too many inexperienced receivers was a problem the last 2 seasons, not the solution. Zach demands receivers know the playbook and how to adapt to situational play which requires experience or high football intelligence, which makes it strange that he let them dump Woli, who could have been the stabilizing ingredient after Schoen went down.
Let's not forget Bailey too.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 17, 2025, 06:15:31 PMI feel the 24 GC game was a precursor to this past season, even before Zach sliced his finger he was attempting 30 yd passes when he only needed 6 for a first down, choosing higher risk passes and failing to sustain drives. The offensive playbook has gotten worse every year since LaPo left.
The Riders put on an offensive clinic yesterday, Harris went 23/27 for 302 yds with 0 interceptions, Alexander was stuck in Zach mode trying to bite off big chunks and coming up short.
Yes, they did, and I have been saying I'll take the Riders short-take what the defense gives you game vs our desperate force the ball to certain player offense any day all year. We need another big body reciever, and he doesn't have to break the bank, we don't need a Lawler or Lewis, but someone like Saskatechewan's Meyers would be nice and would compliment Wilson, Demski and Sterns. We need to upgrade our NAT talent at reciever, Cobb and Corcoran just don't cut it. Sask has Shaeffer Baker and Emilius, we could only hope for that combo, we have Demski and ?????
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2025, 01:44:02 AMYes, they did, and I have been saying I'll take the Riders short-take what the defense gives you game vs our desperate force the ball to certain player offense any day all year.
I want to take from SSK the idea that you don't need a super expensive REC corps. All you need is a super expensive OL and a good RB.
However, SSK has done the dink & dunk for a quite a while, starting under Cody and McAdoo. And I do recall us finding a solution to it in '21-'23. Clog the lanes, don't give the QB all day, get hands up, put LBers in unorthodox, unexpected positions. It is defeatable. Why we forgot how to do all that this season is beyond me. We better figure it out for '26!!
So I like Zach's more balanced attack -- not forcing long balls, but making sure to spread the ball out all over the field.
Did you see Trevor/Mueller? They took only one (ONE!!!) shot the whole game! Unbelievable. But it proves they are the king of dink & dunk.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 17, 2025, 06:15:31 PMI feel the 24 GC game was a precursor to this past season, even before Zach sliced his finger he was attempting 30 yd passes when he only needed 6 for a first down
Uh, did you see our short game in '24 & '25? It was/is abysmal. Every short pass was picked off or knocked down. It was pathetic. Buck really tried in '23 to get us a short game, but it petered out and we moved away from it.
So if every short pass is just doomed to failure, I fully agree we go to a mid/deep-mostly game. Until we fix the short problem...
Quote from: Blue72 on November 16, 2025, 03:44:26 PMIf they have no money for a good OC than get rid of Jackson, Hall and Hogan, that should free up some cash. If our DC is so good why do we need Hall same goes for our OC.
I think Hall is still 50%+ of the brains behind the D. As for Jarious, maybe he was useless, or maybe he kept Hogan from sucking even worse! Hard to tell. Mafia will figure it out and cut him if required.
I'm pretty sure both Jarious & Hall are not taking up much of the coaches cap. Wink wink nod nod
Quote from: Sway on November 16, 2025, 02:55:56 PMIf they don't fire Hogan I give up all hope in Oshea.
Be prepared to be disappointed. The ONLY possible change I can see is replacing Hogan with Jarious -- and I really don't see that happening. There is no financial way to bring in a "real" outsider.
Make peace with Hogan in '26 now so you're not angry come TC.
Quote from: Tecno on November 18, 2025, 05:56:02 AMUh, did you see our short game in '24 & '25?
Get the ball out quick and you help your oline a ton. You keep your old and injury prone QB's jersey clean. This is a system we need to make work here. Lapo with Nichols in 2017 got 70%, 4472 yards, 28 tds, 8 ints out of the QB position.
I thought Corcoran looked good towards the end of the season. Made some tough catches in crowded spots.
Quote from: Tecno on November 18, 2025, 05:54:22 AMI want to take from SSK the idea that you don't need a super expensive REC corps. All you need is a super expensive OL and a good RB.
However, SSK has done the dink & dunk for a quite a while, starting under Cody and McAdoo. And I do recall us finding a solution to it in '21-'23. Clog the lanes, don't give the QB all day, get hands up, put LBers in unorthodox, unexpected positions. It is defeatable. Why we forgot how to do all that this season is beyond me. We better figure it out for '26!!
So I like Zach's more balanced attack -- not forcing long balls, but making sure to spread the ball out all over the field.
Did you see Trevor/Mueller? They took only one (ONE!!!) shot the whole game! Unbelievable. But it proves they are the king of dink & dunk.
To be fair Harris avg. completion was 11.2 yds. which is well beyond most dink and dunk offences, fantastic considering 23/27 302 yds in the GC game. He doesn't have the strongest arm and they can't afford to let him get hit, which is probably his reason behind not throwing lower percentage long balls.
He is cognitively sharp, his test score on memory in this video is amazing.
Great interview. He's so honest, straight forward , no BS it isn't even funny. And he's always about the team, no wonder our locker room is so strong. And he knows the challenge at hand--to get better, 10-8 wasn't good enough as he said, and I believe he'll get things better for next year.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 18, 2025, 07:05:06 PMTo be fair Harris avg. completion was 11.2 yds. which is well beyond most dink and dunk offences
Ya, but what's the median (probably way less than 11) and std dev (probably very small). Their whole game is basically 7 to 13Y passes. I recall only 2 games or so Trevor/Mueller were really pushing the ball down the field -- probably only because they saw easy expoitations on a bad team, or the team was cheating up on all the short game stuff (must stay honest on the back end too!).
Just saying 11 avg doesn't show the whole picture.
And yes, I am giving them huge kudos and cred, including Trevor & Mueller, for perfecting this short game as the way to win games by itself (plus good run game thanks to AH).
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2025, 11:13:43 PMGreat interview. He's so honest, straight forward , no BS it isn't even funny. And he's always about the team, no wonder our locker room is so strong. And he knows the challenge at hand--to get better, 10-8 wasn't good enough as he said, and I believe he'll get things better for next year.
Ya, MOS is a good man. I like him so much more than the anger-clowns like Maas or swear-factories like Mace (watch one of his pre-game GC overview sessions).
He doesn't say much as to who he IS, but he sure tells you a lot about who he ISN'T. In like every single presser he'll do a "question snub" / guffaw thing. It's important to learn from these and put them all together. (That is why I feel like I can make good guesses as to what is coming next when it has something to do with MOS.)
Quote from: Tecno on November 19, 2025, 01:16:14 AMYa, but what's the median (probably way less than 11) and std dev (probably very small).
Just saying 11 avg doesn't show the whole picture.
Hmmmmm. If the median (and probably the mode) are way less than 11 but the average is 11, that would imply a large rather than a small standard deviation. You would actually have a skewed distribution curve such as this one:
(https://getnave.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/frequency-distribution-types-right-skewed-distribution.png)
Quote from: dd on November 18, 2025, 11:13:43 PMGreat interview. He's so honest, straight forward , no BS it isn't even funny. And he's always about the team, no wonder our locker room is so strong. And he knows the challenge at hand--to get better, 10-8 wasn't good enough as he said, and I believe he'll get things better for next year.
It's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.
Quote from: Jesse on November 19, 2025, 02:28:45 PMIt's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.
He isn't wrong. O'Shea's non-answers have become insufferable. I can't listen to him any more.
Quote from: J5V on November 19, 2025, 03:26:36 PMHe isn't wrong. O'Shea's non-answers have become insufferable. I can't listen to him any more.
It's going to be a long 3 years for some people.
Michael O'Shea should be told by Bombers' ownership to work on his relations with the media and giving better answers to questions. Quite simply the Blue Bombers are in the entertainment business and liaising with the press is part of marketing the product.
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Everyone can do things better. In my opinion, O'Shea became a bit less media friendly this year (although he deserves credit for sticking with that radio show).
I think he just wants to protect his players but taking it too far frustrates reporters who view it as a hindrance to doing a good job from their perspective.
The savvy play (that I would recommend if I could) would be to evaluate that strategy and walk it back a half step next season because when reporters get annoyed, you, at best, miss out on some easy win messaging that they aren't as likely to write and at worst, begin to create the toxic and ugly environment the club used to have with the media not that long ago -- where they banned someone (for awhile) and generally had a strained relationship overall. It's not helpful for anyone to go down that road too far.
O'Shea needs to go back to playing chess both on and off the field.
O'Shea owes nobody in the media - local or otherwise - anything. They can ask whatever questions they want; he can answer them however he wants.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 19, 2025, 03:39:14 PMIt's going to be a long 3 years for some people.
Sounds like a them problem.
Quote from: Jesse on November 19, 2025, 02:28:45 PMIt's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.
Hodge is such a whiner.
There is something to be said about this continuity for HC and Walters as our GM. That said, there are issues that have not been addressed due to some loyalty and effort to retain some status quo on the roster.
The team has aged in certain areas. This must be looked at this off season as roster choices are being made with players under contract, expiring contracts and during free agency.
I think it's fair to say many posters saw certain issues going into TC that they didn't seem to recognize or deal with as the season progressed.
None of us can predict what will change going into 2026. It is going to be an interesting discussion as players are re-signed or allowed to leave in free agency.
Let the re-tooling begin before we get into a full re-build mode.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 19, 2025, 04:19:17 PMLet the re-tooling begin before we get into a full re-build mode.
This is the way. Even a retool done properly could help avoid any notion of a rebuild any time soon.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 19, 2025, 03:47:57 PMO'Shea became a bit less media friendly this year
He can say what he wants if he thinks that helps the team but one thing does bother me. Practice times are becoming state secrets now. Especially if there is only one open one in a week and it is announced less than an hour before it starts. I would have liked to have gone to more but I wonder if he even wants fans there.
Great interview is as humble and forthcoming as always and expected.
He must move on from Hogan!
Him and Walter's needs to move onto cheaper younger talent in all the aforementioned positions.
I'm happy he is back and the Bombers have that security tied up.
I just don't get the ranting going on about MOS's interviews. He speaks very confidently and his responses are no nonense straight forward answers. He doesn't ***** foot around, he doesn't skirt the answer and weasel out, he's very straight forward and forthcoming with his responses. He's always in control of his emotions, which in turn, is why the BB's play so disciplined and in control throughout there games.
I really like the way he treats the media, and don't get what all the whining is about. I don't need a coach to make me laugh when he's responding to questions, I just want the answers, the straight goods, and MOS delivers that.
Quote from: Jesse on November 19, 2025, 02:28:45 PMIt's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.
Who cares what John Hodge has to say, and really, who's John Hodge?? Couldn't give a roaring rip what he thinks.
Quote from: Waffler on November 19, 2025, 04:36:00 PMHe can say what he wants if he thinks that helps the team but one thing does bother me. Practice times are becoming state secrets now. Especially if there is only one open one in a week and it is announced less than an hour before it starts. I would have liked to have gone to more but I wonder if he even wants fans there.
MOS doesn't look after the Bombers website. But one thing I do know from having a Bomber living in our home, he know his practice schedule a few weeks in advance.
Quote from: dd on November 19, 2025, 10:39:58 PMWho cares what John Hodge has to say, and really, who's John Hodge?? Couldn't give a roaring rip what he thinks.
John Hodge has become a pretty good reporter, his post game summaries are far more detailed than anyone else is providing. The amount of effort 3DN puts into covering the CFL should be applauded and perhaps funded, no other media outlet is producing half as much output, including TSN.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 19, 2025, 10:50:59 PMMOS doesn't look after the Bombers website. But one thing I do know from having a Bomber living in our home, he know his practice schedule a few weeks in advance.
He's been asked on his call in show Monday night "when is practice?" and said he was still working that out. Of course Tuesday morning they have a practice. He must have known.
Whoever does the website must be told also to hold back that info to the last moment.
Kyle Walters discusses in depth many topics.
Quote from: Jesse on November 19, 2025, 02:28:45 PMIt's funny that you say that, because John Hodge wrote this super whiny article complaining that O'Shea didn't tell them anything.
I normally like John, but that article was quite irritating.
Quote from: dd on November 19, 2025, 10:38:11 PMI just don't get the ranting going on about MOS's interviews. He speaks very confidently and his responses are no nonense straight forward answers. He doesn't ***** foot around, he doesn't skirt the answer and weasel out, he's very straight forward and forthcoming with his responses. He's always in control of his emotions, which in turn, is why the BB's play so disciplined and in control throughout there games.
I really like the way he treats the media, and don't get what all the whining is about. I don't need a coach to make me laugh when he's responding to questions, I just want the answers, the straight goods, and MOS delivers that.
Yeah I agree, what bothers me is when they ask questions and they don't get the answers that they want, they just ask it again in a slightly different manner. He answered the question about going to Toronto interview, his respect for Pinball etc yet they continuously asked him again if he was torn because of family. Its like they've already written an article and they want confirmation even if there isn't
Quote from: Balticfox on November 19, 2025, 03:44:42 PMMichael O'Shea should be told by Bombers' ownership to work on his relations with the media and giving better answers to questions.
I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised or even annoyed at this point. 12(?) years of MOS doing these pressers and they've basically never changed. Why does anyone expect anything else?
I can't say "they are the best" or I love them, but they are what they are and they are consistent and the keen listener
can glean useful nuggets about MOS's philosophy and style. Maybe what people don't like is he doesn't ever elaborate or wander. He states what he wants to state and that's that. It's like he's awaiting trial and he's been well coached by a lawyer. :D :D :D
The silly thing is reporters still asking him questions EVERY presser that EVERYONE knows he won't answer. That always makes me chuckle.
Kudos to DT, he seems to understand this and doesn't even bother asking. He does throw out his numbers/stats questions still, even though MOS hates them. I guess he can't turn off the "nerd".
Quote from: Waffler on November 19, 2025, 04:36:00 PMHe can say what he wants if he thinks that helps the team but one thing does bother me. Practice times are becoming state secrets now.
LOL. Add that to the CFL Coke Formula memo secrets.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 19, 2025, 10:58:24 PMJohn Hodge has become a pretty good reporter, his post game summaries are far more detailed than anyone else is providing. The amount of effort 3DN puts into covering the CFL should be applauded and perhaps funded, no other media outlet is producing half as much output, including TSN.
Hodge is just another 3down reporter IMHO, no better, no worse. And yes, 3D should be applauded for all the work they put in. I have no idea how they make any money. Good for them.
Quote from: Pete on November 20, 2025, 12:34:46 AMYeah I agree, what bothers me is when they ask questions and they don't get the answers that they want, they just ask it again in a slightly different manner. He answered the question about going to Toronto interview, his respect for Pinball etc yet they continuously asked him again if he was torn because of family. Its like they've already written an article and they want confirmation even if there isn't
Ya, its seems the media was on a witch hunt, and I like the way MOS handled it, he was stern and direct with his reply to the repeated question, underscoring that his family would have supported him regardless of what decision he had made and emphasized it was his decision to make. Good on him.
Quote from: dd on November 20, 2025, 02:13:53 AMYa, its seems the media was on a witch hunt, and I like the way MOS handled it, he was stern and direct with his reply
I think it's clear there's also now a "wrangler" in on these pressers (WFC employee / minder) who keeps reporters from harping or berating. Allows MOS to not have to do it himself. Good idea!
You can hear their voice off-camera when a reporter won't shut up about a topic (like in this presser).
Quote from: Tecno on November 20, 2025, 02:16:09 AMI think it's clear there's also now a "wrangler" in on these pressers (WFC employee / minder) who keeps reporters from harping or berating. Allows MOS to not have to do it himself. Good idea!
You can hear their voice off-camera when a reporter won't shut up about a topic (like in this presser).
"Who is Darren Cameron", he's only been doing that job for about a decade.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 20, 2025, 02:24:04 AM"Who is Darren Cameron", he's only been doing that job for about a decade.
Hmm, sounded like a lady to me. I'll check again.
I'll take your word for it. But only recently (like this year) has the wrangler been
noticeable (i.e. audible) in many (most?) pressers. That is something new. Reporters getting more ornery (and onerous!?)?
And as much as maybe the media get irritated with some of MoOS answers , to me the irritating part is when the media keep asking the same question hoping to get a different answer, that's reaaaaaly irritating , moreso than any answer OShea gives