Mike O'Shea granted permission to speak with the Argos.
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/10/toronto-argos-granted-permission-to-interview-mike-oshea-report/
Quote from: Ridermania on November 10, 2025, 04:57:50 PMMike O'Shea granted permission to speak with the Argos.
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/10/toronto-argos-granted-permission-to-interview-mike-oshea-report/
Yikes!
gotta think the bombers asked MOS. "you want to talk to the argos?". and then based on his answer they proceed...
This is the beginning of the end!!
If O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 10, 2025, 05:16:07 PMgotta think the bombers asked MOS. "you want to talk to the argos?". and then based on his answer they proceed...
I guess it doesn't look good on them if they said no.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 05:23:08 PMIf O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
He's as good as gone. I'd be talking to Orlando Steinhauer if he leaves
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 05:23:08 PMIf O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
It reminds me of Moneyball where Billy Beane talks to the Redsocks.
I could see O'Shea just seeing what the Argos have to say.
I would love an offensive minded HC should we require one. That's my Christmas Wish...Dave D would be great but he is GM so not leaving Calgary...not a rookie either...
Quote from: The Zipp on November 10, 2025, 05:37:38 PMDave D would be great
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 05:23:08 PMIf O'Shea wants to leave to go try his luck with that trash organization, that's his prerogative.
I'm pretty surprised he's even entertaining them.
I am not surprised he wants to go to a trash heap run organization all the power to him.
I'm kinda meh either way. He goes he goes he stays he stays. If he stays he needs to be able to let go of the chaff asst. coaching and veteran wise for heavens sake.
First things first...
Quote from: dd on November 10, 2025, 05:33:06 PMHe's as good as gone. I'd be talking to Orlando Steinhauer if he leaves
not so fast dd. I think you're jumping the gun again.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 10, 2025, 05:40:15 PMI am not surprised he wants to go to a trash heap run organization all the power to him.
I'm kinda meh either way. He goes he goes he stays he stays. If he stays he needs to be able to let go of the chaff asst. coaching and veteran wise for heavens sake.
First things first...
I agree with your comments 100% If he stays he needs to bring in a better OC at the least and yes please bring in some younger talent - they have to exist somewhere as other teams seem to be able to find the talent. And yes time to say goodbye to some vets!
I keep thinking of Wally Buno's time. When Wally thought a Vet was past his best before date he had no issue with letting them go and everyone will admit Wally was a great coach.
It's just an interview. He may not like what he hears, they may pick someone else. He is without a contract for 2026. Why wouldn't he talk? That said I am hoping he doesn't go.
I can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 06:16:43 PMI can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.
Dinwiddie doesn't seem all in on Dru Brown in some of his comments. I am sure they could swap QB's.
I think O'Shea has probably maxed out his salary as a HC. He doesn't seem interested in or a strong candidate to take on multiple hats. So in theory it would be a lateral move he might take but will he?
I can't think of any obvious replacements so in that sense I hope he stays in Winnipeg.
Quote from: Waffler on November 10, 2025, 06:18:05 PMDinwiddie doesn't seem all in on Dru Brown in some of his comments. I am sure they could swap QB's.
Brown earns $220K less that Kelly if he maxes out his earnings. Even as a 1 for 1 trade, that's not a good deal for the Redblacks. It may or may not be a good deal for the Argos unless Arbuckle leaves. Is he a free agent.
If MOS does go to TO will he take his OC/DC plus Collaros? That would open up Kelly to Ottawa and maybe Brown and Crum to Winnipeg.
Mike was a good coach earlier and would step in if things aren't working on the field. Lately he just stands on the sidelines and leaves everything to his coaching which are NOT working lately
Do you want a 28 year old Dru Brown, or a 38 year old ZC8? Toronto would be wise to trade Kelly for Brown.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 06:16:43 PMI can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.
In this weeks 3DN podcast they describe how the Argos front office is terribly understaffed, which is one of the reasons Dinwiddie was happy to move on, he said he'd actually be reducing his workload by taking on the dual role in Ottawa.
If he moves on he will bring great success where ever he goes. I wish him well if that's the case but gut tells me another year here is in the cards. Lots of factors for him to consider based on what I read above. Good insight.
Quote from: Blue72 on November 10, 2025, 06:34:28 PMIf MOS does go to TO will he take his OC/DC plus Collaros? That would open up Kelly to Ottawa and maybe Brown and Crum to Winnipeg.
Mike was a good coach earlier and would step in if things aren't working on the field. Lately he just stands on the sidelines and leaves everything to his coaching which are NOT working lately
Collaros is under contract in Winnipeg. So he can't just take him. So that's a giant leap in speculation. Wait until he actually decides to leave which is not a given.
I'd take Brown and Crum in that scenario but you're suggesting 3 starting QB's get moved in some sort of trade.
Quote from: Blueforlife on November 10, 2025, 07:42:20 PMIf he moves on he will bring great success where ever he goes. I wish him well if that's the case but gut tells me another year here is in the cards. Lots of factors for him to consider based on what I read above. Good insight.
It all comes down to the roster the team ends up with. Argos finished out of the playoffs with Dinwiddie and he's a very good coach. Roster and injuries took him from the Grey Cup winning coach to toast per se.
There is no guarantee O'Shea if he leaves doesn't suffer the same fate.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 07:59:38 PMIt all comes down to the roster the team ends up with. Argos finished out of the playoffs with Dinwiddie and he's a very good coach. Roster and injuries took him from the Grey Cup winning coach to toast per see.
There is no guarantee O'Shea if he leaves doesn't suffer the same fate.
That's why it doesn't make much sense for O'Shea to leave, he's got a safe secure job in Wpg, if it took him 3 years to improve the Argos performance he could be risking his neck.
Does O'Shea have aspirations to try the GM thing? Does Clemons offer up a HC/asst. GM type of deal?
It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 06:18:09 PMI think O'Shea has probably maxed out his salary as a HC. He doesn't seem interested in or a strong candidate to take on multiple hats. So in theory it would be a lateral move he might take but will he?
That's what I keep saying. In the coach-cap era there simply isn't any more money to pay MOS more than we're paying him. It's literally impossible -- and I'm pretty sure MOS isn't the type to accept "creative accounting" under the table.
Plus, watch MOS's post-game and season-ending pressers. He seems to want to be here -- and it's not just platitudes.
Him going to interview could easily be:
a) nice free $1000 dinner
b) see what they have to say
c) increase leverage for whatever bump he can get out of his next WFC contract
My money is on him staying here.
Quote from: Tecno on November 10, 2025, 09:13:37 PMThat's what I keep saying. In the coach-cap era there simply isn't any more money to pay MOS more than we're paying him. It's literally impossible -- and I'm pretty sure MOS isn't the type to accept "creative accounting" under the table.
Plus, watch MOS's post-game and season-ending pressers. He seems to want to be here -- and it's not just platitudes.
Him going to interview could easily be:
a) nice free $1000 dinner
b) see what they have to say
c) increase leverage for whatever bump he can get out of his next WFC contract
My money is on him staying here.
Steaks now costing $1000 in Toronto? lol
Argos have already net with O'Shea apparently. Lunch at Taco Bell all you can eat.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 08:18:36 PMDoes O'Shea have aspirations to try the GM thing? Does Clemons offer up a HC/asst. GM type of deal?
It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.
That's the thing - he may want to be GM - how can we know what a man is thinking, that might be one of his career goals and it can certainly be a private goal that most around him don't know about.
Does he have kids/grandkids that live in the TO area, aging family that he wants to be nearer? Maybe his spouse really wants to move back. Maybe him and Walters don't actually get along as well as we think.
There is a familiarity and respect between Pinball and MOS, I can see him going back to the Argos organization easily. And maybe Orlando Steinhauer, another former Argo player and teammate to Pinball and MOS, could be in the mix as well. They are looking to turn things around in Toronto, there's good leadership in MOS and OS. I can really see this happening.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 09:18:00 PMSteaks now costing $1000 in Toronto? lol
My buddy & wife spend $500 a visit to 529. So ya, I can see 2-3 people sitting at the best restaurant in TOR blowing $1k easily.
No, Pinball is not taking him to Taco Bell or 5 Guys. That's not how you woo a potential half-million-a-year employee.
Do we even know if OShea was going to meet Pinball in TO?
With the Grey Cup here u would think the face to face meeting would be in the Peg.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 10, 2025, 05:16:07 PMgotta think the bombers asked MOS. "you want to talk to the argos?". and then based on his answer they proceed...
I think the Argos ask and as a matter of policy, the WFC never gets in the way.
I'm still very confident MOS is still the HC of the Bombers next season.
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 10, 2025, 10:08:46 PMDo we even know if OShea was going to meet Pinball in TO?
With the Grey Cup here u would think the face to face meeting would be in the Peg.
Apparently they had there meeting today, and the announcement is coming soon.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 10:29:05 PMApparently they had there meeting today, and the announcement is coming soon.
What announcement?
Quote from: Tecno on November 10, 2025, 09:51:24 PMMy buddy & wife spend $500 a visit to 529. So ya, I can see 2-3 people sitting at the best restaurant in TOR blowing $1k easily.
No, Pinball is not taking him to Taco Bell or 5 Guys. That's not how you woo a potential half-million-a-year employee.
That doesn't benefit O'Shea if they take a bunch of people for a fancy meal. He's still only eating his $100 meal. I don't think O'Shea is earning $500K. Obviously I was kidding about Taco Bell.
In theory they have to offer him a higher position to get him to move while he's under contract. Unless the Bombers have already decided to move on which seems unlikely? They don't have to release him from his contract although that wouldn't create a good situation. Didn't they do that when Pierce was offered something in Vancouver before the move this year?
Either way, if he goes he goes. Not much we can do about it.
I trust Wade to get this right. He seems to succeed at whatever he puts his mind to.
Quote from: Tecno on November 10, 2025, 09:51:24 PMMy buddy & wife spend $500 a visit to 529. So ya, I can see 2-3 people sitting at the best restaurant in TOR blowing $1k easily.
No, Pinball is not taking him to Taco Bell or 5 Guys. That's not how you woo a potential half-million-a-year employee.
They must be drinking ALOT.
Quote from: peg_city on November 10, 2025, 11:24:31 PMThey must be drinking ALOT.
not that hard
cocktails - 15 x2 - 30
appetizer 20
entree - 100 x2 - 200
sides - 30
desert - 25
2 glasses of wine - 30 - 50
generous tip and you are close to 500
Quote from: The Zipp on November 11, 2025, 12:01:28 AMnot that hard
cocktails - 15 x2 - 30
appetizer 20
entree - 100 x2 - 200
sides - 30
desert - 25
2 glasses of wine - 30 - 50
generous tip and you are close to 500
2 quick observations, this fool ate too much and spent too much.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 11, 2025, 12:46:16 AM2 quick observations, this fool ate too much and spent too much.
2 fools not just one. and who goes to 529 to skrimp on food and drink?? if you can't afford to eat and drink there then go to Montanas.
It would be a BIG shakeup if Oshea leaves. The Bombers for sure would take a step or 5 backwards.
What we dont know is if Kyle Walters and OShea were exactly on the same page this season. Maybe a split would be welcome.
Quote from: peg_city on November 10, 2025, 11:24:31 PMThey must be drinking ALOT.
No comment! ;D ;D ;D (In case my friend is reading this!)
Not to prolong the "how expensive can dinner be" convo, but my wife had a $175 truffle dish at Chef Pino's in Vancouver in GC week (grumble grumble), plus a couple of glasses of decent wine she easily spent $250 just by herself. And I'm sure TOR has even better (read: $$) restaurants than Pino's.
There's a world of luxury most don't know about (actually, there's even more above that level...). It's like Porsche: whatever you think what you're looking at costs, think higher, then double it.
bottom line is that if MOS wants the TO job - it's his. if he isn't hired the person who is will always know they were plan B.
not uncommon in sports.
Quote from: Ducky on November 11, 2025, 01:05:51 AMIt would be a BIG shakeup if Oshea leaves. The Bombers for sure would take a step or 5 backwards.
What we dont know is if Kyle Walters and OShea were exactly on the same page this season. Maybe a split would be welcome.
Then Walters can go. I don't see him doing much lately anyhow.
I m thinking its either MOS or Steinhauer for the TO job, and I m thinking MOS gets it, having OS come here wouldn't be the end of the world. Henry Burris's name is being tossed around as well, he could come here as HC and oversee the offense as well. Not the end of the world either.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 02:51:26 AMI m thinking its either MOS or Steinhauer for the TO job, and I m thinking MOS gets it, having OS come here wouldn't be the end of the world. Henry Burris's name is being tossed around as well, he could come here as HC and oversee the offense as well. Not the end of the world either.
What would the Argos need to do for the Bombers to let him out of his contract to make a lateral move? Something isn't right in this equation.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 01:37:19 PMWhat would the Argos need to do for the Bombers to let him out of his contract to make a lateral move? Something isn't right in this equation.
What do you mean? MOS's contract is expiring. I don't expect him to move on, but there's nothing the Bombers can do or Argos need to do.
Steinhauer is president of football ops in Hamilton. He is not coming to Winnipeg.
with our job just being HC (currently) all we will get are rookies and has beens who have flamed out elsewhere.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 11, 2025, 02:31:12 PMrookies and has beens who have flamed out elsewhere.
Maas was thought to have flamed out. Mace and Dinwiddie both rookies. So there is talent out there if you can recognize it.
Still waiting for this announcement...
When can we expect this
@Pigskin ?
Quote from: Jesse on November 11, 2025, 02:14:32 PMWhat do you mean? MOS's contract is expiring. I don't expect him to move on, but there's nothing the Bombers can do or Argos need to do.
Not until the end of December. The Argos will want to find their candidate before that date. Technically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early for a lateral move. Normally an organization doesn't refuse a chance for a greater role ( promotion ), but this is a little different.
OTOH, it's bad PR to refuse to let him go if that's what he wants for whatever his reasons may be. He obviously has ties to Toronto but he's also been in Winnipeg for a substantial amount of time as well.
So the question is this a lateral move or some sort of higher level role? I mean you can give it some sort of semi fake new title but what is the reality?
Dinwiddie left the Argos but is taking on more responsibilities than he had in Toronto.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:16:17 PMTechnically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early
Can't see this happening. We would want to start our search ASAP too.
IF he leaves. Which we still don't know.
Quote from: Waffler on November 11, 2025, 03:19:33 PMCan't see this happening. We would want to start our search ASAP too. IF he leaves. Which we still don't know.
I'm not disputing that but I have mentioned why this is outside the norm when coaches leave. Buck Pierce left for a promotion to HC as the example. I don't remember whether he was still under contract but that's the norm.
O'Shea has had a successful career in Winnipeg despite Grey Cup losses. Is the tie to Ontario to an organization that appears to be in more trouble than in Winnipeg a stronger draw?
If money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:33:28 PMIf money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?
A lot of competitive people would want the challenge, that happens. Maybe change. He might be feeling stale here. He might think of what he could do there and get excited.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:16:17 PMNot until the end of December. The Argos will want to find their candidate before that date. Technically the Bombers could say no to releasing him early for a lateral move. Normally an organization doesn't refuse a chance for a greater role ( promotion ), but this is a little different.
OTOH, it's bad PR to refuse to let him go if that's what he wants for whatever his reasons may be. He obviously has ties to Toronto but he's also been in Winnipeg for a substantial amount of time as well.
So the question is this a lateral move or some sort of higher level role? I mean you can give it some sort of semi fake new title but what is the reality?
Dinwiddie left the Argos but is taking on more responsibilities than he had in Toronto.
This just seems like much ado about nothing. If MOS wants to leave, he can. There's no advantage to the Bombers holding him until the end of December and they wouldn't do that even if there was.
Your question about why MOS would want to leave is a separate one and imo, he won't leave. Dinwiddie left the Argos because he wanted the GM position, so even if that was something MOS was looking for, he's not getting it with the Argos.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2025, 03:33:28 PMI'm not disputing that but I have mentioned why this is outside the norm when coaches leave. Buck Pierce left for a promotion to HC as the example. I don't remember whether he was still under contract but that's the norm.
O'Shea has had a successful career in Winnipeg despite Grey Cup losses. Is the tie to Ontario to an organization that appears to be in more trouble than in Winnipeg a stronger draw?
If money as a HC is maxed out, what is the incentive for any candidate that isn't getting a promotion?
You guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.
I wonder if Mike Miller would be ready for a head coaching position. He has done a wonderful job with the Bombers special teams and may be ready to take the next step.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:03:34 PMYou guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.
We don't even know he is meeting with them. That's an assumption.
And honestly, when you're negotiating a contract, you'd kinda be dumb not to explore your options. This is how you go into your conversations with Wade with leverage (as much as you can under a coaching cap).
We'll see. I'm still expecting the press conference announcing Kyle and Mike signing extensions, just like every other time we've all had these discussions. Including in 2019, when people were claiming Mike would jump ship to Toronto.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:03:34 PMYou guys just aren't getting it. He's moving because he WANTS to, to be closer to family, to go back to an organization where he played, he likes pinball and he likes Toronto. If he wasn't interested in the position and moving why would he waste a second on meeting with them. He's gone I m telling ya.
I tend to agree with you and if so then we will move on! The Bombers will rebuild from the HC down (hopefully both the OC and DC will be gonzo also).
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 11, 2025, 02:58:07 PMStill waiting for this announcement...
When can we expect this @Pigskin ?
Normally there isn't an official announcement of coach signings during Grey Cup week.
But, the thing to look for is if OShea is at any of the TD Manitoba parties this week.
Any coaches around the league due for a promotion?
Archimbault or Thorpe in Montreal
Benevides in BC
Any others?
Quote from: BBRT on November 11, 2025, 04:16:23 PMI tend to agree with you and if so then we will move on! The Bombers will rebuild from the HC down (hopefully both the OC and DC will be gonzo also).
If there is a silver lining that is it, both coordinators will be gone.
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:26:42 PMIf there is a silver lining that is it, both coordinators will be gone.
Amen!!!!!
Maybe the Bombers can snag Noel Thorpe?
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2025, 04:26:42 PMIf there is a silver lining that is it, both coordinators will be gone.
Careful what you wish for...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on Today at 12:32:36 AMMaybe the Bombers can snag Noel Thorpe?
Keep dreaming!
As long as MOS/KW is here there is no money for "real" OC/DCs. I keep telling ya'... unless the league massively jacks the coaches cap (which they should do!).
Quote from: bwiser on November 11, 2025, 04:10:17 PMI wonder if Mike Miller would be ready for a head coaching position. He has done a wonderful job with the Bombers special teams and may be ready to take the next step.
Mike was thrust in way over his head when he got the STC job. Luckily for us he "swam" rather than "sank". I think it's way too soon for him being a HC. However, it's an intriguing possibility for the future! It would certainly be a fan favorite, even if it were to bomb out horribly.
However, if you think MOS is awkward in front of the camera and on the radio, just wait until you see Miller!!
Quote from: bwiser on November 11, 2025, 04:10:17 PMI wonder if Mike Miller would be ready for a head coaching position. He has done a wonderful job with the Bombers special teams and may be ready to take the next step.
LOL Mike would be on the next bus back to NB if they offered him the HC job. Someday maybe but he'd need another 5 years of support from MOS to attempt it, he had to be tricked into accepting the ST job.
Quote from: Tecno on Today at 12:45:23 AMCareful what you wish for...
Keep dreaming!
As long as MOS/KW is here there is no money for "real" OC/DCs. I keep telling ya'... unless the league massively jacks the coaches cap (which they should do!).
Fairly certain he meant hiring Thorpe as HC when MOS joins the Argos....