Quarterback
Chris Streveler (A)
Running Back
Brady Oliveira (N)
Receiver
Kody Case (A)
Nic Demski (N)
Dillon Mitchell (A)
Dalton Schoen (A)
Jerreth Sterns (A)
Keric Wheatfall (A)
Offensive Line
Stanley Bryant (A)
Tui Eli (N)
Chris Kolankowski (N)
Eric Lofton (A)
Patrick Neufeld (N)
Defensive Line
Willie Jefferson (A)
Cameron Lawson (N)
Tanner Schmekel (N)
Jake Thomas (N)
James Vaughters (A)
Jamal Woods (A)
Linebacker
Tanner Cadwallader (N)
Shayne Gauthier (N)
Kyrie Wilson (A)
Defensive Back
Terrell Bonds (A)
Michael Griffin II (A)
Nick Hallett (N)
Evan Holm (A)
Demerio Houston (A)
Redha Kramdi (N)
Enock Makonzo (N)
Deatrick Nichols (A)
Jamal Parker (A)
Specialist
Sergio Castillo (A)
Jamieson Sheahan (G)
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/02/the-winnipeg-blue-bombers-potential-2026-free-agents-list/
Quarterback
Chris Streveler (A)-no
Running Back
Brady Oliveira (N)-yes
Receiver
Kody Case (A)-no
Nic Demski (N)-yes
Dillon Mitchell (A)-no
Dalton Schoen (A)-yes, but likely unable to go due to injury
Jerreth Sterns (A)-yes
Keric Wheatfall (A)-invite to TC, must get impact/playmaker WR on roster!!
Offensive Line
Stanley Bryant (A)-yes
Tui Eli (N)-yes
Chris Kolankowski (N)-no
Eric Lofton (A)-no
Patrick Neufeld (N)-yes, 6th man only
Defensive Line
Willie Jefferson (A)-no
Cameron Lawson (N)-yes
Tanner Schmekel (N)-yes
Jake Thomas (N)-absolutely no
James Vaughters (A)-no
Jamal Woods (A)-yes
Linebacker
Tanner Cadwallader (N)-yes
Shayne Gauthier (N)-yes
Kyrie Wilson (A)-invite to TC, get a better WILL
Defensive Back
Terrell Bonds (A)-yes
Michael Griffin II (A)-yes
Nick Hallett (N)-yes
Evan Holm (A)-absolutely yes
Demerio Houston (A)-yes
Redha Kramdi (N)-yes
Enock Makonzo (N)-yes
Deatrick Nichols (A)-TC invite
Jamal Parker (A)-TV invite, look to upgrade size of our DB's
Specialist
Sergio Castillo (A)-yes
Jamieson Sheahan (G)-yes
Quote from: dd on November 02, 2025, 08:33:38 PMQuarterback
Chris Streveler (A)-no
Running Back
Brady Oliveira (N)-yes
Receiver
Kody Case (A)-no
Nic Demski (N)-yes
Dillon Mitchell (A)-no
Dalton Schoen (A)-yes, but likely unable to go due to injury
Jerreth Sterns (A)-yes
Keric Wheatfall (A)-invite to TC, must get impact/playmaker WR on roster!!
Offensive Line
Stanley Bryant (A)-yes
Tui Eli (N)-yes
Chris Kolankowski (N)-no
Eric Lofton (A)-no
Patrick Neufeld (N)-yes, 6th man only
Defensive Line
Willie Jefferson (A)-no
Cameron Lawson (N)-yes
Tanner Schmekel (N)-yes
Jake Thomas (N)-absolutely no
James Vaughters (A)-no
Jamal Woods (A)-yes
Linebacker
Tanner Cadwallader (N)-yes
Shayne Gauthier (N)-yes
Kyrie Wilson (A)-invite to TC, get a better WILL
Defensive Back
Terrell Bonds (A)-yes
Michael Griffin II (A)-yes
Nick Hallett (N)-yes
Evan Holm (A)-absolutely yes
Demerio Houston (A)-yes
Redha Kramdi (N)-yes
Enock Makonzo (N)-yes
Deatrick Nichols (A)-TC invite
Jamal Parker (A)-TV invite, look to upgrade size of our DB's
Specialist
Sergio Castillo (A)-yes
Jamieson Sheahan (G)-yes
Why have you got Nichols and Parker as only a TC invite? I get the size issue but you can't re-sign these players without a signing bonus and certainty you can replace them.
OTOH, you want to bring Bonds back ( achilles probably ) and he's the same size. He was burned more often than my morning toast.
I don't believe Schoen will return after 2 seasons of serious injury, high risk to re-injure and big SMS.
The potential free agent is shorter than the " unofficial free agent list ". Players like Chris-Ike, Peterson, T. Wilson, Clercius , Wallace, Leroux and Vanterpool are on that list.
I don't know which list is completely accurate but the ones I mentioned don't seem likely to have been given new deals yet. I'd include them as re-signing choices.
Regardless it's a big list. Will be interesting to see who gets signed with excess 2025 SMS before the end of December.
Players like Kolo and K. Wilson is trickier. We don't have current replacements and there is no guarantee we find / replacements in free agency. Unless we expect to move Woodey to WIL next year?
Earlier I mentioned that players like Vaval, Woodbey and Allen might take advantage of their NFL option. Landing an NFL TC offer is not a sure thing but we can't rule it out. The lure is always on the table of big money.
Do not re-sign
Jake Thomas (N)
Chris Streveler (A)
Kody Case (A)
Dillon Mitchell (A)
Dalton Schoen (A)
Stanley Bryant (A)
Willie Jefferson (A)
Shayne Gauthier (N)
Jamal Parker (A)
Kyrie Wilson (A)
Terrell Bonds (A)
Michael Griffin II (A)
James Vaughters (A)
For the right price
Brady Oliveira (N)
Keric Wheatfall (A)
Jerreth Sterns (A)
Patrick Neufeld (N)
Chris Kolankowski (N)
Eric Lofton (A)
Tui Eli (N)
Tanner Cadwallader (N)
Deatrick Nichols (A)
Nick Hallett (N)
Jamieson Sheahan (G)
Must extend
Nic Demski (N)
Cameron Lawson (N)
Evan Holm (A)
Tanner Schmekel (N)
Jamal Woods (A)
Demerio Houston (A)
Redha Kramdi (N)
Enock Makonzo (N)
Sergio Castillo (A)
The 2 biggest free agents are Walters and O'Shea. I can't see Miller not bringing them back unless they don't want to come back. IMO that's a problem. We need a rebuild and they are very conservative about making any changes. If they return next year, I see us taking another step back and missing the playoffs. :(
Let go
Retain
Retain at any cost
Quarterback
Chris Streveler (A)
Running Back
Brady Oliveira (N)
Receiver
Kody Case (A)
Nic Demski (N)
Dillon Mitchell (A)
Dalton Schoen (A)
Jerreth Sterns (A)
Keric Wheatfall (A)
Offensive Line
Stanley Bryant (A)
Tui Eli (N)
Chris Kolankowski (N)
Eric Lofton (A)
Patrick Neufeld (N)
Defensive Line
Willie Jefferson (A)
Cameron Lawson (N)
Tanner Schmekel (N)
Jake Thomas (N)
James Vaughters (A)
Jamal Woods (A)
Linebacker
Tanner Cadwallader (N)
Shayne Gauthier (N)
Kyrie Wilson (A)
Defensive Back
Terrell Bonds (A)
Michael Griffin II (A)
Nick Hallett (N)
Evan Holm (A)
Demerio Houston (A)
Redha Kramdi (N)
Enock Makonzo (N)
Deatrick Nichols (A)
Jamal Parker (A)
Specialist
Sergio Castillo (A)
Jamieson Sheahan (G)
Quote from: bunker on November 02, 2025, 11:10:10 PMThe 2 biggest free agents are Walters and O'Shea. I can't see Miller not bringing them back unless they don't want to come back. IMO that's a problem. We need a rebuild and they are very conservative about making any changes. If they return next year, I see us taking another step back and missing the playoffs. :(
I dunno. I can't see them not offering both of them a contract, whether they stay or move on remains to be seen. Not sure we take a step backwards, though, get us a bonafide #1 WR like Hatcher, Lewis or Hardy (both of whom I am sure are tired of losing in Ottawa) etc, and that's a BIG impact we currently don't have. Get us a stud DE and DT, and dump the absolute dead weight we are currently carrying, and our D changes overnight. We have decent LB's, could use an upgrade at DB, but we're really not that far off.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2025, 10:51:36 PMWhy have you got Nichols and Parker as only a TC invite? I get the size issue but you can't re-sign these players without a signing bonus and certainty you can replace them.
OTOH, you want to bring Bonds back ( achilles probably ) and he's the same size. He was burned more often than my morning toast.
I don't believe Schoen will return after 2 seasons of serious injury, high risk to re-injure and big SMS.
The potential free agent is shorter than the " unofficial free agent list ". Players like Chris-Ike, Peterson, T. Wilson, Clercius , Wallace, Leroux and Vanterpool are on that list.
I don't know which list is completely accurate but the ones I mentioned don't seem likely to have been given new deals yet. I'd include them as re-signing choices.
Regardless it's a big list. Will be interesting to see who gets signed with excess 2025 SMS before the end of December.
Players like Kolo and K. Wilson is trickier. We don't have current replacements and there is no guarantee we find / replacements in free agency. Unless we expect to move Woodey to WIL next year?
Ayers, Woodbey or Shay could take over from Wilson at WIL if he didn't return. Smith or Griffin could take over from Kramdi at SAM. Noticed yesterday Cam Allen does not have a physical presence at Safety at all and he's the size of a standard DB, maybe he challenges at CB and Kramdi moves to Safety to maintain ratio and add more oomph.
Quote from: dd on November 02, 2025, 11:15:38 PMI dunno. I can't see them not offering both of them a contract, whether they stay or move on remains to be seen. Not sure we take a step backwards, though, get us a bonafide #1 WR like Hatcher, Lewis or Hardy (both of whom I am sure are tired of losing in Ottawa) etc, and that's a BIG impact we currently don't have. Get us a stud DE and DT, and dump the absolute dead weight we are currently carrying, and our D changes overnight. We have decent LB's, could use an upgrade at DB, but we're really not that far off.
Bryant, Neufeld, Collaros and Jefferson will all be worse next year, they are aging out. Our centre is terrible and needs to be replaced.(and Eli is not the answer). Our tackle talent is at best average to below average after Bryant. We have no nat receiver talent after Demski, and he's getting older and tends to get injured as the season progresses. We have one impact import receiver, Wilson. On D, Jake should retire. Lawson is good, but no other D-line man is above average. LBs are average. I think Nichols has lost 1/2 a step, and our corners range from mediocre to bad. Holm is great, and Allen showed promise. Vaval is great. We have no back up QB. We have so many holes in our roster to call it swiss cheese is a compliment. The worst thing we can do is just run it back expecting different results, but if O'Shea and Walters are back, that is what we will do.
Quote from: bunker on November 02, 2025, 11:35:18 PMBryant, Neufeld, Collaros and Jefferson will all be worse next year, they are aging out. Our centre is terrible and needs to be replaced.(and Eli is not the answer). Our tackle talent is at best average to below average after Bryant. We have no nat receiver talent after Demski, and he's getting older and tends to get injured as the season progresses. We have one impact import receiver, Wilson. On D, Jake should retire. Lawson is good, but no other D-line man is above average. LBs are average. I think Nichols has lost 1/2 a step, and our corners range from mediocre to bad. Holm is great, and Allen showed promise. Vaval is great. We have no back up QB. We have so many holes in our roster to call it swiss cheese is a compliment. The worst thing we can do is just run it back expecting different results, but if O'Shea and Walters are back, that is what we will do.
Sorry, I missed the O line. You're right, new centre and left tackle, I'd put aging Bryant to right tackle, and get a new LG
Quote from: bunker on November 02, 2025, 11:35:18 PMBryant, Neufeld, Collaros and Jefferson will all be worse next year, they are aging out. Our centre is terrible and needs to be replaced.(and Eli is not the answer). Our tackle talent is at best average to below average after Bryant. We have no nat receiver talent after Demski, and he's getting older and tends to get injured as the season progresses. We have one impact import receiver, Wilson. On D, Jake should retire. Lawson is good, but no other D-line man is above average. LBs are average. I think Nichols has lost 1/2 a step, and our corners range from mediocre to bad. Holm is great, and Allen showed promise. Vaval is great. We have no back up QB. We have so many holes in our roster to call it swiss cheese is a compliment. The worst thing we can do is just run it back expecting different results, but if O'Shea and Walters are back, that is what we will do.
I hear you - I just have to believe that if O'Shea and Walters are back, which I do hope happens, we will finally see some significant turnover.
No one likes to lose, and after winning back-to-back GC's and being in three more - they have got to see that we are on the wrong trajectory.
Seriously, these two (and Miller) know more about football than anyone here, and for sure me. They were able to make it happen, I have faith they will see this off-season as a turning point, and not just needing a tweak to correct the direction we are headed.
I will say that we need a new OC or a new playbook, a different defensive system where we stress rushing the QB and getting pressure. Sacks would be great however, pressure where the QB has to rush his throw is also effective. Bring a blitz more often than we do.
Now the following players need to be released or traded:
J. Thomas (may retire)
W. Jefferson (trade for a QB, try to get Fajardo or at least Ford from the Elk)
P. Nuefeld (to many whiffs on blocks)
S. Bryant (saw him handing out bus tickets to guys running by him to many times this year)
Vaugters (was only average)
Lawson Jr. (terrible in coverage, can't tackle)
Parker (see above)
D. Mitchell (did nothing)
Eccols (hoe hum)
Schoen (his knee is done)
Streverler (See above)
ZC (trade him for someone or cut him)
P. Logan (total bust)
That is a lot of turn over, but the re-build has to begin. Go hard in FA with the available money saved.
Why do some want to bring Makonzo back? Hurt all year and all of last year. 6 games since 2023.
Quote from: Big Daddy on November 03, 2025, 12:41:07 AMI hear you - I just have to believe that if O'Shea and Walters are back, which I do hope happens, we will finally see some significant turnover.
No one likes to lose, and after winning back-to-back GC's and being in three more - they have got to see that we are on the wrong trajectory.
Seriously, these two (and Miller) know more about football than anyone here, and for sure me. They were able to make it happen, I have faith they will see this off-season as a turning point, and not just needing a tweak to correct the direction we are headed.
I agree minor tweaking is not the answer this off season. It is obvious some major changes are required. Edmonton will be better next season and if bombers just do tweaking they are headed for 5th place in the west
I'd throw in releasing hogan as a non player move desperately needed.
It's going to be a tougher off season with all the questions marks on the roster. Some interesting views. In many cases what happens with one player is dependant on what happens elsewhere. What I mean for every dollar spent on one player there is one dollar less to spend on another or vice versa.
If for example we don't re-sign Jefferson, that's $200K we can use in free agency or to re-sign one of our own potential free agents.
Overall I expect we will shed some significant SMS on players we don't bring back. How and where we spend it is a TBD but I'd hope we are much more active in free agency than last year.
There are going to be some painful choices.
Walters and co. are going to have their work cut out this off-season. Could be the toughest of their tenure thus far, IMO.
Needless to say, it looks like it's time for a changing of the (old) guard.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 03, 2025, 01:29:14 PMWalters and co. are going to have their work cut out this off-season. Could be the toughest of their tenure thus far, IMO.
Needless to say, it looks like it's time for a changing of the (old) guard.
Hamilton went from last to 1st in 2025. Calgary went from last to 3rd and were in 2nd for a significant portion of the season.
The Bombers and Argos both tanked after finishing in the Grey Cup in 2024.
So a lot can change in one off season. Time to do that in Winnipeg.
What is the ceiling on BO20 and ND10?
BO20 - $200
ND10 - $175
I am also out on CS17.
BO20, Yes but at the right price.
ND10, Yes.
Wheatfall, Yes
Sterns, Yes.
OL needs a re-vamp.
Vaughter, Yes. 36 DTs, 6 sacks.
Lawson, Yes. 21 DTs, 1 sack.
Willie, Yes. 15 DTs, 3 sacks. At the right price.
Cad, Yes.
Wilson, Yes. 49 DTs, 2 STs, 3 QS.
DBs in Order.
Holm, Kramdi, Houston, Nichols, Bonds, Griffin, Parker, Hallett.
Both Castillo, and Sheahan.
Quote from: Ridermania on November 03, 2025, 04:38:51 PMBO20 - $200
ND10 - $175
I don't think either is taking a roll back.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 03, 2025, 04:44:08 PMI am also out on CS17.
BO20, Yes but at the right price.
ND10, Yes.
Wheatfall, Yes
Sterns, Yes.
OL needs a re-vamp.
Vaughter, Yes. 36 DTs, 6 sacks.
Lawson, Yes. 21 DTs, 1 sack.
Willie, Yes. 15 DTs, 3 sacks. At the right price.
Cad, Yes.
Wilson, Yes. 49 DTs, 2 STs, 3 QS.
DBs in Order.
Holm, Kramdi, Houston, Nichols, Bonds, Griffin, Parker, Hallett.
Both Castillo, and Sheahan.
Didn't Bonds suffer an achilles? I don't expect him back and he wouldn't be ready for TC in any case.
It's surprising you have him ahead of Griffin but it was also strange that he didn't get back on the AR once he was healthy.
Is Streveler done? I can't help but wonder. For a guy who relies heavily on his legs, injuring the same knee barely a year later can't be good in that regard.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 03, 2025, 05:11:14 PMIs Streveler done? I can't help but wonder. For a guy who relies heavily on his legs, injuring the same knee barely a year later can't be good in that regard.
I would say yes. Quality of life comes into play. The man already walks with a limp.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 03, 2025, 05:20:42 PMI would say yes. Quality of life comes into play. The man already walks with a limp.
I didn't know that. He should definitely consider QOL and his life after football in that case.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 03, 2025, 05:06:20 PMDidn't Bonds suffer an achilles? I don't expect him back and he wouldn't be ready for TC in any case.
It's surprising you have him ahead of Griffin but it was also strange that he didn't get back on the AR once he was healthy.
Where does Griffin fit in? I've never seen him play HB or CB, he's hanging around in limbo land with Ayers and Woodbey until they decide what to do with Kyrie, who probably had his best season every, just by remaining healthy.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 03, 2025, 05:06:20 PMDidn't Bonds suffer an achilles? I don't expect him back and he wouldn't be ready for TC in any case.
It's surprising you have him ahead of Griffin but it was also strange that he didn't get back on the AR once he was healthy.
If we are talking DBs, yes because Griffin is more of a LB. However he did have a very good season. 47 DTs, 8 STs, 1 QS. Not bad for a guy that doesn't start.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 03, 2025, 04:32:38 PMWhat is the ceiling on Bo20 and ND10?
I think people need to wrap their heads around the fact that the salary cap is increasing too. High priced non-QBs are going to hit 300k soon.
Only 3 guys I'll keep from that list: Oliveira, Demski and Castillo.
Bryant, Neufeld, Thomas and Gauthier should all retire.
Move on from the rest of the people from that list.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 03, 2025, 01:29:14 PMWalters and co. are going to have their work cut out this off-season. Could be the toughest of their tenure thus far, IMO.
Needless to say, it looks like it's time for a changing of the (old) guard.
Who, specifically, are you referring to as the "old guard"?
Quote from: Pigskin on November 03, 2025, 06:51:25 PMIf we are talking DBs, yes because Griffin is more of a LB. However he did have a very good season. 47 DTs, 8 STs, 1 QS. Not bad for a guy that doesn't start.
IIRC he did play some DHB in Calgary. He could be a choice as the back up at SAM if Woodbey starts at WIL.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on November 04, 2025, 03:03:13 AMOnly 3 guys I'll keep from that list: Oliveira, Demski and Castillo.
Bryant, Neufeld, Thomas and Gauthier should all retire.
Move on from the rest of the people from that list.
That list includes most of the starters ( it included the OL although not listing them ). It did include the entire defence.
So. YIKES.
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 04, 2025, 05:55:02 AMWho, specifically, are you referring to as the "old guard"?
Aging veterans like Bryant, Collaros, Neufeld, Jefferson, etc; I wonder how much more they have left in the tank. Also, I'm curious if any of them would take a paycut to stick around while opening up some SMS space to add talent/increase depth.
Quote from: Jesse on November 03, 2025, 08:02:06 PMI think people need to wrap their heads around the fact that the salary cap is increasing too. High priced non-QBs are going to hit 300k soon.
Giving the same players more money doesn't mean it's wisely spent doing that.
I'll be shocked if anyone takes a paycut to stay around. I'm expecting the same old team next year with a few tweaks.
Quote from: TBURGESS on November 04, 2025, 02:18:43 PMI'll be shocked if anyone takes a paycut to stay around. I'm expecting the same old team next year with a few tweaks.
MOS said pretty much this on the final coaches show.
Paycheck is not the most important factor in re-signing players.
Ability to contribute is #1.
Guys coming off injury, will they rehab to 100%? If yes, re-sign. If maybe, re-sign with incentives. If unlikely, thank you for your service.
Young guys moving up, take care of them.
Veterans on their way down, please, no emeritus contracts. Tough decisions, but they've done it before. Jeffcoat, Harris, Wolitarski, Alexander... if we have a player that is ready to step up, we can make those hard decisions.
There should be a lot of movement in the coaching ranks, and maybe there are some players ready to move up. I'd love to see Jake stay in Blue and Gold, on the field if he's still got it in him, or on the sidelines if its enough money to keep him in town.
Hogan has to go, not sure I want Jarious as OC though. MOS will have had a year working with him, so he will be able to decide... not sure what the penalty for blowing the front office $SMS is, but we should do that and hire the best. Is Lapo ready to return?
I wondered about Lapo returning to coaching but it may not pay enough to give up his TSN deal.
Vaughters and Jefferson earn about $360K combined. Two rookies on ELC's would save about $200K to be used elsewhere.
IDK if Jenkins and / or Jaworksi will replace either of those two players but that's an area to consider.
We wasted a lot of money on free agent signings that didn't pay off. Need to do better this year.
With such a large list of potential free agents, how many are going to want / get more and what does that cost us elsewhere?
Yes the SMS is going up but we can't stay status quo on the personnel overall.
Any vet who wants to return on a non guaranteed contract with no bonus, who wants to EARN his spot, I welcome with open arms.
Yes, we had some players look good in limited reps. And some spent a lot of time on the PR.
I truly hope that we have a competitive camp this year, where rookies get a chance to unseat vets.
And I hope we get some recruits that got stuck behind players on other teams, Tony Jones has been a great pick up. More like him, please.
The reports coming out about the Hogan/Mitchell feud are disturbing. The team has a "one win in a row" wipe the slate clean each week commitment, it needs a similar attitude to treating the players. Every practice, every player gets a shot.
Maybe a drumline type "challenge" concept. Give players the ability to challenge the man in front of them for the spot. And you better be ready, both as the challenger and the challenged.
We need honest competition in TC and better recruitment to have better choices. It seemed obvious that some players were handed their spot on the AR regardless of how things turned out in TC.
Anybody have an opinion of which free agent O linemen from the other teams that we can try to get?
Next college draft is there anyone we want?
Which position are we weakest at? All of them?
Can't replace them all, so who goes, who stays?
I dont want to watch another season of the quarterback getting beat up play after play.
I dont think the offensive system helped much. Maybe the theory being applied just didn't fit the capabilities of the players on the field very well. And I thought I saw Zach bail a few times before there was anyone near him. Jumpy due to past poundings.
Never just one thing is it?
Quote from: Waffler on November 04, 2025, 02:29:49 PMMOS said pretty much this on the final coaches show.
That would be less than optimal.
Quote from: markf on November 04, 2025, 04:36:14 PMAnybody have an opinion of which free agent O linemen from the other teams that we can try to get?
Next college draft is there anyone we want?
Which position are we weakest at? All of them?
Can't replace them all, so who goes, who stays?
I dont want to watch another season of the quarterback getting beat up play after play.
I dont think the offensive system helped much. Maybe the theory being applied just didn't fit the capabilities of the players on the field very well. And I thought I saw Zach bail a few times before there was anyone near him. Jumpy due to past poundings.
Never just one thing is it?
Zach Williams on the stamps was just named a western all star, and he's from Winnipeg, played for Bisons. Unfortunately, Calgary locked him up for next season. He's be a good replacement for Neufeld if we could pry him away in a year.
Quote from: markf on November 04, 2025, 04:36:14 PMAnybody have an opinion of which free agent O linemen from the other teams that we can try to get?
Next college draft is there anyone we want?
Which position are we weakest at? All of them?
Can't replace them all, so who goes, who stays?
I dont want to watch another season of the quarterback getting beat up play after play.
I dont think the offensive system helped much. Maybe the theory being applied just didn't fit the capabilities of the players on the field very well. And I thought I saw Zach bail a few times before there was anyone near him. Jumpy due to past poundings.
Never just one thing is it?
We need depth or new starters on the OL, DL and receiver. Currently we finished the season with 6 Canadians on the IR. We'll draft another 9 in the next draft.
It's normal to see 4 or 5 make the AR so we can expect to trim a few at the bottom of the depth chart before free agency and TC.
There is always a timing issue involved. Let's use any of our Canadian OL. Do we let them reach free agency in the hope of landing a younger, less expensive player with more upside?
I don't think that is a risk to take unless we decide to move forward / away from a given player.
Quote from: bunker on November 04, 2025, 04:44:56 PMZach Williams on the stamps was just named a western all star, and he's from Winnipeg, played for Bisons. Unfortunately, Calgary locked him up for next season. He's be a good replacement for Neufeld if we could pry him away in a year.
I think they need to upgrade the Center before they discard Neufeld, Kolo caused a lot of problems in the middle of the line that had to be covered off by the 2 guards. Neuf is the leader of that group, comes at a reasonable cost and likely has a few more good years in him once the O-line stabilizes.
Quote from: Ridermania on November 02, 2025, 07:59:03 PMQuarterback
Chris Streveler (A) NO
Running Back
Brady Oliveira (N) Yes
Receiver
Kody Case (A) NO
Nic Demski (N) Yes
Dillon Mitchell (A) NO
Dalton Schoen (A) NO
Jerreth Sterns (A) Maybe
Keric Wheatfall (A)Maybe
Offensive Line
Stanley Bryant (A) Maybe
Tui Eli (N) Maybe
Chris Kolankowski (N) Maybe
Eric Lofton (A) No
Patrick Neufeld (N) Maybe
Defensive Line
Willie Jefferson (A) NO
Cameron Lawson (N) Yes
Tanner Schmekel (N) Yes
Jake Thomas (N) No
James Vaughters (A) No
Jamal Woods (A) No
Linebacker
Tanner Cadwallader (N) Yes
Shayne Gauthier (N) NO
Kyrie Wilson (A) NO
Defensive Back
Terrell Bonds (A) NO
Michael Griffin II (A) Maybe
Nick Hallett (N) NO
Evan Holm (A) Yes
Demerio Houston (A) Yes
Redha Kramdi (N) Yes
Enock Makonzo (N) NO
Deatrick Nichols (A) Yes
Jamal Parker (A) YES
Specialist
Sergio Castillo (A) Yes
Jamieson Sheahan (G) Yes
https://3downnation.com/2025/11/02/the-winnipeg-blue-bombers-potential-2026-free-agents-list/
I listed many as maybe because it's a domino kind of issue. One from column A and one from column B choice wise. Those that were seriously injured in 2025 I listed as NO due to history and / or severity: Schoen, Makonzo, Streveler, Lofton and Bonds fall into that group.
A couple like Hallett and Gauthier still have mileage but draft choices have to replace someone.
Buckle up. I'd say we are in for much of the same next year.
From yesterdays Mike Oshea interview...
"The sky isn't falling"
"Do I believe in wholesale change? Never."
"I'll never believe in wholesale change," said O'Shea."
On Jason Hogan... " "Yeah, he deserves the opportunity to have that conversation, for sure, and to come back."
Quote from: gordo on November 04, 2025, 05:51:25 PMBuckle up. I'd say we are in for much of the same next year.
From yesterdays Mike Oshea interview...
"The sky isn't falling"
"Do I believe in wholesale change? Never."
"I'll never believe in wholesale change," said O'Shea."
On Jason Hogan... " "Yeah, he deserves the opportunity to have that conversation, for sure, and to come back."
Ya, I think its a given that Collaros and Hogan are back, but it was also mentioned that Zach has openly criticized the play calling and MOS said he should have given more support to the offense--read - listened to what Zach was saying!! I can honestly see Collaros playing next year and then retiring to become our QB coach or ***. OC, I also see us bringing in Arbuckle or Crum as his understudy with the hope of further developing them into our #1 in 2027
Quote from: dd on November 04, 2025, 05:57:33 PMYa, I think its a given that Collaros and Hogan are back, but it was also mentioned that Zach has openly criticized the play calling and MOS said he should have given more support to the offense--read - listened to what Zach was saying!! I can honestly see Collaros playing next year and then retiring to become our QB coach or ***. OC, I also see us bringing in Arbuckle or Crum as his understudy with the hope of further developing them into our #1 in 2027
Loyalty issues aside, I can't see any scenario where Hogan returns as OC.
If we can't lure Lapo out of the plush TV gig, maybe we pick up a guy like Condell. Its tough to poach a guy under contract, no "Asst HC" spot available, but we should let guys know we are looking by firing Hogan now, so that guys that might be interested don't re-sign immediately.
Can we bring in someone with experience, or can we take a chance on someone new, maybe someone out of the college ranks?
Quote from: dd on November 04, 2025, 05:57:33 PMI also see us bringing in Arbuckle or Crum as his understudy
I see Streveller rehabbing his knee instead.
I feel bad for the people thinking any kind of rebuild is coming, coaches or players. MOS is telling us the
process can be improved.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 04, 2025, 01:08:56 PMGiving the same players more money doesn't mean it's wisely spent doing that.
I didn't say it was wise or dumb. Some people just have certain dollar amounts in their head as "too expensive" when it represents a smaller percentage of the cap than it used to.
A player may receive a raise but take up less of the cap. Or a player worth 200k 5 years ago now represents closer to 300k now. It just takes a shift in thinking.
My impression of Mike O'Shea over the years is that in public, from him everything is pretty good, and no major mistakes have been made.and he has become an accomplished media manager, who probably enjoys fencing with reporters.
Its annoying, but what's the benefit to the team of saying "yeah we stink, our O line is bad...etc"
why would he say "Hogan did a bad job. NO way he's back as o.c. " That would be pointless and rude. And these people are friends.
But After the season he just oversaw, it's hard to believe he thinks everything is fine.
I hope.
Quote from: markf on November 04, 2025, 07:20:30 PMMy impression of Mike O'Shea over the years is that in public, from him everything is pretty good, and no major mistakes have been made.and he has become an accomplished media manager, who probably enjoys fencing with reporters.
Its annoying, but what's the benefit to the team of saying "yeah we stink, our O line is bad...etc"
why would he say "Hogan did a bad job. NO way he's back as o.c. " That would be pointless and rude. And these people are friends.
But After the season he just oversaw, it's hard to believe he thinks everything is fine.
I hope.
I wish I could believe this, but having watched him in his tenure here, I think he genuinely believes that if they just work a little harder, and execute a little better, his guys know how to win and will right the ship. Its a bit delusional at this point. His loyalty to players and insistence on staying the course were his strongest qualities when we were winning, but I think will ultimately be his downfall. Hope I am wrong.
Quote from: Jesse on November 04, 2025, 06:16:10 PMI didn't say it was wise or dumb. Some people just have certain dollar amounts in their head as "too expensive" when it represents a smaller percentage of the cap than it used to.
A player may receive a raise but take up less of the cap. Or a player worth 200k 5 years ago now represents closer to 300k now. It just takes a shift in thinking.
I don't completely agree. Some players are over paid due to bidding wars and a given team needs to fill a certain need.
That doesn't mean a Canadian starter should get $300K ( as an example ) just because the SMS went up.
Let's use Collaros as the example. Does he deserve another $50K when he's on the downside of his career and is at the top or near top of the pay scale? There has to be a limit for the top players IMO. It's gone too far at the top and not far enough on the middle group.
Quote from: bunker on November 04, 2025, 09:01:30 PMI wish I could believe this, but having watched him in his tenure here, I think he genuinely believes that if they just work a little harder, and execute a little better, his guys know how to win and will right the ship. Its a bit delusional at this point. His loyalty to players and insistence on staying the course were his strongest qualities when we were winning, but I think will ultimately be his downfall. Hope I am wrong.
Seems counter-intuitive to a long coaching career, I would think remaining neutral and not getting attached to specific players would be a key, rely on the process not the individuals. If O'Shea had coached up through the college system he would have had the experience of cycling through new players every year with a constant turnover and might have learned to detach himself from the individual components in favour of building the machine. That's how I remember Mike Riley the coach.
I think MOS demands his players come to camp in shape ready to compete for jobs. Not in shape/too slow, see ya later. He did that to Andrew Harris, arguably one of the more popular players ever here, did that to Bighill--replaced him with a younger, faster, cheaper version of the MLB he wanted to see on the field, and he sat Dillon Mitchell down long and hard this season. I don't think he'll hand onto guys who see thinks can't get the job done.
He was a smart football player and knows first hand what it takes to win. He sets the bar for expected behaviour in the clubhouse and he gets maximum effort from his players. I expect him to review what didn't go well this year, and address it accordingly. I don't expect him to replace Collaros, in fact I'd bet anything he's back next season, and I don't think Hogan is going anywhere either.
Just listened to Brady's year end interview. My take:
70% chance he leaves, 30% chance he re-signs. 0% chance he re-signs if Hogan is back as OC. Almost his entire interview was spoken in past tense, as if he was saying goodbye, but one line stood out:
"I play football to win championships."
With Hogan as OC, that's not gonna happen.
If he leaves, I bet he winds up in BC for the chance to work under Buck (again) and with Rourke.
Quote from: VictorRomano on November 04, 2025, 10:57:42 PMIf he leaves, I bet he winds up in BC
Logical assumption. but can they afford him?
Quote from: dd on November 04, 2025, 10:41:57 PMI think MOS demands his players come to camp in shape ready to compete for jobs. Not in shape/too slow, see ya later. He did that to Andrew Harris, arguably one of the more popular players ever here, did that to Bighill--replaced him with a younger, faster, cheaper version of the MLB he wanted to see on the field, and he sat Dillon Mitchell down long and hard this season. I don't think he'll hand onto guys who see thinks can't get the job done.
He was a smart football player and knows first hand what it takes to win. He sets the bar for expected behaviour in the clubhouse and he gets maximum effort from his players. I expect him to review what didn't go well this year, and address it accordingly. I don't expect him to replace Collaros, in fact I'd bet anything he's back next season, and I don't think Hogan is going anywhere either.
But the main things that did not go well this year were a poor performance by the OC, and Zach continuing to age out to the point where he's not only not elite anymore, but heading towards being a below average QB who cannot throw the deep ball and is a turnover machine in many games. How can he correct these if he hangs on to these two. Zach arguably could be better with a better O-line, but that's not necessarily easy to accomplish.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 04, 2025, 09:30:17 PMI don't completely agree. Some players are over paid due to bidding wars and a given team needs to fill a certain need.
That doesn't mean a Canadian starter should get $300K ( as an example ) just because the SMS went up.
Let's use Collaros as the example. Does he deserve another $50K when he's on the downside of his career and is at the top or near top of the pay scale? There has to be a limit for the top players IMO. It's gone too far at the top and not far enough on the middle group.
I more mean that an elite player may have earned 200k in 2019. Now an elite player may go for 275. It represents the same portion of the cap, so people should let sticker shock convince them a player is over paid.
I'm not suggesting that our players deserve raises just because the cap is going up. It was more of a general comment that salaries are increasing.
Quote from: VictorRomano on November 04, 2025, 10:57:42 PMJust listened to Brady's year end interview. My take:
70% chance he leaves, 30% chance he re-signs. 0% chance he re-signs if Hogan is back as OC. Almost his entire interview was spoken in past tense, as if he was saying goodbye, but one line stood out:
"I play football to win championships."
With Hogan as OC, that's not gonna happen.
If he leaves, I bet he winds up in BC for the chance to work under Buck (again) and with Rourke.
Ya, pretty much Brady and Collaros have openly criticized the OC, those are 2 pretty big pieces of our offensive puzzle. MOS better address this as if we lose Brady, our NAT talent takes a HUGE hit (after we lost Dobson and Ford last year), my gut tells me these 2 guys pull alot of weight and MOS will listen to them and make the changes to retain both of these guys and fix what needs to be fixed on the offensive side of the ball.
Quote from: VictorRomano on November 04, 2025, 10:57:42 PMJust listened to Brady's year end interview. My take:
70% chance he leaves, 30% chance he re-signs. 0% chance he re-signs if Hogan is back as OC. Almost his entire interview was spoken in past tense, as if he was saying goodbye, but one line stood out:
"I play football to win championships."
With Hogan as OC, that's not gonna happen.
If he leaves, I bet he winds up in BC for the chance to work under Buck (again) and with Rourke.
agree - likely all great points.
Quote from: VictorRomano on November 04, 2025, 10:57:42 PMJust listened to Brady's year interview
If he leaves, I bet he winds up in BC for the chance to work under Buck (again) and with Rourke.
Wasn't Brady pissed off last season after the Grey Cup when he didn't get a lot of carries? Wouldn't do a post game interview?
And B.C. already has a very good running back, Butler, who was not used much in the game last week, and, (tv impression) seemed a bit aggravated about it.
Quote from: markf on Today at 01:04:58 AMWasn't Brady pissed off last season after the Grey Cup when he didn't get a lot of carries? Wouldn't do a post game interview?
And B.C. already has a very good running back, Butler, who was not used much in the game last week, and, (tv impression) seemed a bit aggravated about it.
is butler a FA ?
Butler is on a one year deal.
Oliveira sounds like he's leaving which will work out good for us. He's absolutely not worth it especially if we're going to dress nine Canadians in a playoff game. We don't need to pay his premium using a roster configuration like that.
Quote from: VictorRomano on November 04, 2025, 10:57:42 PMJust listened to Brady's year end interview. My take:
70% chance he leaves, 30% chance he re-signs. 0% chance he re-signs if Hogan is back as OC. Almost his entire interview was spoken in past tense, as if he was saying goodbye, but one line stood out:
"I play football to win championships."
With Hogan as OC, that's not gonna happen.
If he leaves, I bet he winds up in BC for the chance to work under Buck (again) and with Rourke.
Brady said much the same last time he negotiated his contract and offended many Bomber fans, the longer he talks the more dumb things he usually says. Bombers are the only team structured to pay him $250k and most teams are doing pretty good with import RB's earning half as much, so not much incentive. The 3 Bombers that earn their premium based on their marketability, Demski, Brady and Willie, I think Wade will remind Walters of that during negotiations.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on Today at 02:28:27 AMBrady said much the same last time he negotiated his contract and offended many Bomber fans, the longer he talks the more dumb things he usually says. Bombers are the only team structured to pay him $250k and most teams are doing pretty good with import RB's earning half as much, so not much incentive. The 3 Bombers that earn their premium based on their marketability, Demski, Brady and Willie, I think Wade will remind Walters of that during negotiations.
If Walters is offered a returning contract or even returns?
Quote from: TBURGESS on November 04, 2025, 02:18:43 PMI'll be shocked if anyone takes a paycut to stay around. I'm expecting the same old team next year with a few tweaks.
Hello 5th place in the west then! :( Tweaking a weak team is not the answer this off season.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on Today at 02:27:57 AMOliveira sounds like he's leaving which will work out good for us. He's absolutely not worth it especially if we're going to dress nine Canadians in a playoff game. We don't need to pay his premium using a roster configuration like that.
He is still the best or second best player on the team.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on Today at 02:27:57 AMOliveira sounds like he's leaving which will work out good for us. He's absolutely not worth it especially if we're going to dress nine Canadians in a playoff game. We don't need to pay his premium using a roster configuration like that.
We start 9 Canadians but we start a lot of Canadians who should not be starting.
As much as BO is a Winnipeger and is Canadian, I get the impression he is extorting the Bombers with that last interview. I can be wrong but it sounded like he did us a favour by staying here this year and I understand he wants to win but not with the current OC Jason Hogan.
Aren't you getting paid to be in shape and be a good football player? He sounds cocky to me on how great he is. I wasn't surprised on what he said, its going to be the same old same old next year with O'Shea being loyal to his coaches. And I am tired of hearing the same old cliche's with the coaches and players. I have already committed and have my 4 season tickets renewed, might be my last after 48 years.
PS
Anyone but the Riders for the Grey Cup... hoping for the Ti-Cats to break the drought since 1999.
Quote from: Waffler on November 04, 2025, 11:01:44 PMLogical assumption. but can they afford him?
I think there is a good chance he leaves. He wants more money but I don't know how many teams are willing to pay that much at the RB position. I don't think BC can afford him and running is an after thought for them with Rourke as a QB.
Quote from: Jesse on November 04, 2025, 11:26:47 PMI more mean that an elite player may have earned 200k in 2019. Now an elite player may go for 275. It represents the same portion of the cap, so people should let sticker shock convince them a player is over paid.
I'm not suggesting that our players deserve raises just because the cap is going up. It was more of a general comment that salaries are increasing.
I wasn't speaking of our players in particular. Obviously if the SMS goes up then salaries go up. I just don't think it goes mostly to the top 1/3 of the roster automatically.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 01:13:29 PMObviously if the SMS goes up then salaries go up. I just don't think it goes mostly to the top 1/3 of the roster automatically.
History has shown it goes to the franchise QB either to get or retain. That is the one position you can't replace with cheaper and still be ok. Kelly, Rourke and Collaros all make double or more than that of the highest paid non-QB.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 01:10:40 PMI think there is a good chance he leaves. He wants more money but I don't know how many teams are willing to pay that much at the RB position. I don't think BC can afford him and running is an after thought for them with Rourke as a QB.
How much glee would happen in Riderland if they signed him? Revenge for Demski,Jefferson in their minds.
Get a top rb and stick it to Wpg
If Hogan stays, I fully expect Oliveira to leave. Maybe others as well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 01:13:29 PMI wasn't speaking of our players in particular. Obviously if the SMS goes up then salaries go up. I just don't think it goes mostly to the top 1/3 of the roster automatically.
It basically does. Only players with leverage are going to get some of it and the players with the most leverage are 1/3 of Americans and Canadians.
Quote from: RebusRankin on Today at 12:24:01 PMWe start 9 Canadians but we start a lot of Canadians who should not be starting.
Agree totally. But since we did, it begs the question will we keep doing it? Because if so, there is even less reason to pay exorbitant amounts for a Canadian running back.
We need to put money back into both lines of scrimmage and then it will matter far less who the running back is. And since we've had slow plodding running backs for half a decade, it might be time to put some Americans with speed in there who make loading the box a bit more of a gamble if the back breaks though. Right now with Brady everyone does because he can't outrun anyone. That's a significant limiting factor and another knock against what he's worth. He can't really execute the outside zone or perimeter runs and he can't hurt defenses in the open field = stacked box all day.
Seems as good as gone to me. I'll leave it at that.
Free Press:
There's a lot of core pieces that have been here for the last number of years that I think still continue to this day to make an impact on game day," said Oliveira.
"So we don't know what it's going to look like moving forward. There's a lot of free agents, so I think as the months kind of unfold we'll see who's coming back, who's not going to be brought back, and I think that's big into the decision. Like I said, I need to know what's around me and we'll go from there."...
Many players spoke to reporters on Sunday while cleaning out their lockers. Oliveira, however, was nowhere to be found as he was in a meeting with first-year offensive co-ordinator Jason Hogan that went longer than expected.
"I had a very good conversation with him. A very good conversation. Obviously, everyone knows my relationship with him. Good conversation, but also some tough conversations as well. But I'll leave it at that," said Oliveira.
Hogan was the team's running backs coach for three seasons prior to taking over Buck Pierce's headset. Oliveira has praised Hogan in recent years, giving him lots of credit for helping the tailback reach CFL stardom. As a playcaller, though, it was a different story. Back in September, Oliveira took a subtle jab by saying, "I think maybe us players could be put in some better situations to succeed as well so that it always doesn't fall on the player."
On Tuesday, Oliveira was asked if the team made a mistake by promoting Hogan to OC.
"I don't think it was a mistake. He deserved an opportunity to showcase his abilities. I mean, the guy works extremely hard. He showed that the last number of seasons," responded Oliveira.
"So I think that's why he was rewarded that opportunity to be an offensive co-ordinator. And I'll leave it at that."
Sounds like the takeaway, albeit from diplomatic public comments, is this: Hogan is a good coach and puts in the work, but that didn't quite translate well as he took on more significant responsibilities in his role as OC.
That happens often. Some coaches are just not cut out to be coordinators.
I've love to know what was discussed behind closed doors.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on Today at 02:41:54 PMIt basically does. Only players with leverage are going to get some of it and the players with the most leverage are 1/3 of Americans and Canadians.
By that logic we should give Collaros another extension and another $100K. At some point somebody has to draw a line in the sand.
Obviously the best players get more money but you have to spend wisely with those decisions. Earlier I gave the example of the Lions giving Reilly something like $700K and proceeded to tank their season a few seasons ago. Last year they did the same thing with Rourke and Betts going over the SMS by $300K.
Calgary is paying VAJ less than many top paid QB's. That allowed them to upgrade their DL as an example.
1/3 of a roster is important but it's only about 13 players of the total roster. If you don't have quality in the next 12 or so to make up the starting 24 then you get inferior results. Our DL, OL and receivers overall were inferior to teams with a more balanced use of their SMS.
It's clear where the Bombers need to upgrade and that doesn't include giving some of the starters a significant portion of an SMS increase.
Some players have earned an increase but it's a small list and the increases should not break the bank. Brady is a perfect example. IMO he's overpaid and we shouldn't be giving him another $20K-$30K ( if that's what he wants ).
Brady was @ $240K. Mills was @ $123K. There was nearly a $90K difference between Brady and the next top paid RB ( Ouellette ).
I get Brady is a Canadian and home town hero But he's not worth twice the amount of Mills as an example.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 03:27:48 PMBy that logic we should give Collaros another extension and another $100K. At some point somebody has to draw a line in the sand.
Obviously the best players get more money but you have to spend wisely with those decisions. Earlier I gave the example of the Lions giving Reilly something like $700K and proceeded to tank their season a few seasons ago. Last year they did the same thing with Rourke and Betts going over the SMS by $300K.
Calgary is paying VAJ less than many top paid QB's. That allowed them to upgrade their DL as an example.
1/3 of a roster is important but it's only about 13 players of the total roster. If you don't have quality in the next 12 or so to make up the starting 24 then you get inferior results. Our DL, OL and receivers overall were inferior to teams with a more balanced use of their SMS.
It's clear where the Bombers need to upgrade and that doesn't include giving some of the starters a significant portion of an SMS increase.
Some players have earned an increase but it's a small list and the increases should not break the bank. Brady is a perfect example. IMO he's overpaid and we shouldn't be giving him another $20K-$30K ( if that's what he wants ).
Brady was @ $240K. Mills was @ $123K. There was nearly a $90K difference between Brady and the next top paid RB ( Ouellette ).
I get Brady is a Canadian and home town hero But he's not worth twice the amount of Mills as an example.
"We" shouldn't and don't have to do anything. The market will set the prices on its own. Agree on your comments on Brady's value.
Is Oliveira the highest paid RB in the league, and if so, by how much?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on Today at 04:12:51 PMIs Oliveira the highest paid RB in the league, and if so, by how much?
He's about $90K more than the next highest paid RB ( Ouellette ). I couldn't copy the link but just google 2025 cfl highest paid running backs
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on Today at 04:08:50 PM"We" shouldn't and don't have to do anything. The market will set the prices on its own. Agree on your comments on Brady's value.
Ah but there is always the supply and demand in the equation. Does a team need a starting Canadian. Is someone like Mills a potential free agent at the time we will consider who we sign and for how much?
Just a guess but Mills is completing his 4th season in Calgary. He may be a potential free agent. Whether he chooses to leave Calgary and how much he's be looking for is a TBD.
Since he was earning $123K would another team be willing to pay him $160K compared to paying Brady $250K?
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 04:25:30 PMHe's about $90K more than the next highest paid RB ( Ouellette ).
That's pretty absurd and seems like questionable roster management, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on Today at 04:30:35 PMThat's pretty absurd and seems like questionable roster management, IMO.
Well that's the point to offset the argument to pay some players whatever they want theory. I figured out how to copy the link
https://3downnation.com/2025/04/17/the-cfls-12-highest-paid-running-backs-for-the-2025-season/
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on Today at 02:45:49 PMAgree totally. But since we did, it begs the question will we keep doing it? Because if so, there is even less reason to pay exorbitant amounts for a Canadian running back.
We need to put money back into both lines of scrimmage and then it will matter far less who the running back is. And since we've had slow plodding running backs for half a decade, it might be time to put some Americans with speed in there who make loading the box a bit more of a gamble if the back breaks though. Right now with Brady everyone does because he can't outrun anyone. That's a significant limiting factor and another knock against what he's worth. He can't really execute the outside zone or perimeter runs and he can't hurt defenses in the open field = stacked box all day.
The focus during this off season clearly needs to be the Oline and the Dline. Protection and Pressure need to be upgraded if we expect to see any improvement in the performance of the team. I would not want to see Brady in a different uniform but there is only so much money to go around.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 03:27:48 PMBy that logic we should give Collaros another extension and another $100K. At some point somebody has to draw a line in the sand.
Obviously the best players get more money but you have to spend wisely with those decisions. Earlier I gave the example of the Lions giving Reilly something like $700K and proceeded to tank their season a few seasons ago. Last year they did the same thing with Rourke and Betts going over the SMS by $300K.
Calgary is paying VAJ less than many top paid QB's. That allowed them to upgrade their DL as an example.
1/3 of a roster is important but it's only about 13 players of the total roster. If you don't have quality in the next 12 or so to make up the starting 24 then you get inferior results. Our DL, OL and receivers overall were inferior to teams with a more balanced use of their SMS.
It's clear where the Bombers need to upgrade and that doesn't include giving some of the starters a significant portion of an SMS increase.
Some players have earned an increase but it's a small list and the increases should not break the bank. Brady is a perfect example. IMO he's overpaid and we shouldn't be giving him another $20K-$30K ( if that's what he wants ).
Brady was @ $240K. Mills was @ $123K. There was nearly a $90K difference between Brady and the next top paid RB ( Ouellette ).
I get Brady is a Canadian and home town hero But he's not worth twice the amount of Mills as an example.
Is Ford worth 230k (90k more than holm) , or Robbie smith the highest paid dlineman. or even with Demski at 225k isn't brady more important, younger and more involved in the offense.
Skilled ratio breaking Canadians are always overpaid compared to nonimports.
Just look at Ryan hunter at 275k is he 100k better than Bryant?
If I'm a western division opponent and offer Brady 275k, not only do I get a ratio breaking top rb but i get to weaken the Bombers. If the Bombers match then it weakens their ability to improve under the salary cap (partially because of the Collaros overpay) either way it hurts the bombers either way
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on Today at 02:22:20 PMbbQuote from: blue_gold_84 on Today at 02:22:20 PMIf Hogan stays, I fully expect Oliveira to leave. Maybe others as well.
I am afraid you are correct and what worries me more is that Osh is stubborn enough to keep Hogan at the expense of losing Oliveira. And probably will lose lots more folks if Hogan stays around.
Quote from: Waffler on Today at 03:03:28 PMSeems as good as gone to me. I'll leave it at that.
Free Press:
There's a lot of core pieces that have been here for the last number of years that I think still continue to this day to make an impact on game day," said Oliveira.
"So we don't know what it's going to look like moving forward. There's a lot of free agents, so I think as the months kind of unfold we'll see who's coming back, who's not going to be brought back, and I think that's big into the decision. Like I said, I need to know what's around me and we'll go from there."...
Many players spoke to reporters on Sunday while cleaning out their lockers. Oliveira, however, was nowhere to be found as he was in a meeting with first-year offensive co-ordinator Jason Hogan that went longer than expected.
"I had a very good conversation with him. A very good conversation. Obviously, everyone knows my relationship with him. Good conversation, but also some tough conversations as well. But I'll leave it at that," said Oliveira.
Hogan was the team's running backs coach for three seasons prior to taking over Buck Pierce's headset. Oliveira has praised Hogan in recent years, giving him lots of credit for helping the tailback reach CFL stardom. As a playcaller, though, it was a different story. Back in September, Oliveira took a subtle jab by saying, "I think maybe us players could be put in some better situations to succeed as well so that it always doesn't fall on the player."
On Tuesday, Oliveira was asked if the team made a mistake by promoting Hogan to OC.
"I don't think it was a mistake. He deserved an opportunity to showcase his abilities. I mean, the guy works extremely hard. He showed that the last number of seasons," responded Oliveira.
"So I think that's why he was rewarded that opportunity to be an offensive co-ordinator. And I'll leave it at that."
Sounds like Hogan got "Peter Principled"...
Like so many coaches, Lapo and Dyce as HC, they wsere great at OC and STC, but HC was not in their wheelhouse.
Hogan was given the opportunity due to hard work, but has shown that his hard work does not translate into success.
He needs to go.
Quote from: Pete on Today at 05:10:16 PMIs Ford worth 230k (90k more than holm) , or Robbie smith the highest paid dlineman. or even with Demski at 225k isn't brady more important, younger and more involved in the offense.
Skilled ratio breaking Canadians are always overpaid compared to nonimports.
Just look at Ryan hunter at 275k is he 100k better than Bryant?
If I'm a western division opponent and offer Brady 275k, not only do I get a ratio breaking top rb but i get to weaken the Bombers. If the Bombers match then it weakens their ability to improve under the salary cap (partially because of the Collaros overpay) either way it hurts the bombers either way
No Ford is not worth $90K more than Holm. OTOH, the Elks needed to upgrade their Canadian roster and he was a large part of that. That's the slippery slope of supply and demand where the " need " exceeds logic at times due to ratio aspects. There was a certain amount of PR involved in uniting the Ford brothers.
You're also assuming there are other teams either needing or willing to pay $275K to get BO. Each team has their specific needs from both a position, SMS and ratio.
If Mills is not a free agent, then you could eliminate the Stamps from the bidding war. Can't really tell what happens in free agency as we see something like 100 players change teams.
At the moment I don't see any other team needing or willing to spend that amount for a RB in free agency. BO only signed a 1 year deal this season. Did he get higher offers elsewhere?
Many teams like Toronto, Ottawa and Edmonton are in rebuilding modes going into 2026. You can only compete for free agents once those that become free agents are avialable.
I think Brady decides on a change of scenery.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on Today at 05:32:09 PMI think Brady decides on a change of scenery.
It wouldn't surprise me but he may just be playing hardball. I don't think that is wise in a 9 team CFL. Not every team will be interested from a financial point of view.
It's normal for potential free agents to minimize their criticism of other players/coaches on their team and maximize their own perceived contributions to their team. It's negotiation time.