We should be well rest and pretty healthy going into this game. I expect a much improved Edmonton team will give us all we can handle.
Odd, but I agree. It may be that the Elks are more of a threat to win than the East leading Ticats were.
Much as they have improved of late, still don't think we are in too much danger of losing. Its not like they have a PAS crowd supporting them.
Win the coin toss and take the opening K/O. That will scare them having to kick to Vaval.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 02, 2025, 06:33:35 PMWin the coin toss and take the opening K/O. That will scare them having to kick to Vaval.
Scared to death of the Elks, they will not go down easy and they can't underestimate Fajardo's stubbornness, he does not fold. Zach has to continue showing he can lead the team to victory and play consistently well, no more off games allowed.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 02, 2025, 06:48:29 PMScared to death of the Elks, they will not go down easy and they can't underestimate Fajardo's stubbornness, he does not fold. Zach has to continue showing he can lead the team to victory and play consistently well, no more off games allowed.
I have to ask! I married a Winnipeg Girl in 1971 and we returned to Winnipeg from Dallas in 1981. I was wondering about your handle. I remember Bannatyne as a Ave in the Peg (downtown area - might be where the old Spaghetti Factory was located) but was curious as to the "Throw Long" part. And I agree! The Elks do scare me as they seem to be in a very pronounced upward swing.
My handle is not all that complicated -just my initials with a "B" added for "Bombers". I am not all that imaginative ;D
Quote from: BBRT on October 02, 2025, 07:15:50 PMI have to ask! I married a Winnipeg Girl in 1971 and we returned to Winnipeg from Dallas in 1981. I was wondering about your handle. I remember Bannatyne as a Ave in the Peg (downtown area - might be where the old Spaghetti Factory was located) but was curious as to the "Throw Long" part. And I agree! The Elks do scare me as they seem to be in a very pronounced upward swing.
My handle is not all that complicated -just my initials with a "B" added for "Bombers". I am not all that imaginative ;D
My guess is they are a Guess Who fan.
Quote from: gobombersgo on October 02, 2025, 07:34:03 PMMy guess is they are a Guess Who fan.
Correct, also used to work on Bannatyne Ave, down by the river.
Cody will get frazzled by our D and can't chuck it deep. Zach will sling nasty. BBB will be in full effect. We shall feast.
That said they are a good club. Ding ding, can't wait.
If healthy and the OL plays like last week, we can roll over them. We're back baby. Gotta stomp the throat here.
Burton Cummings also used to live on Bannatyne Ave and also maybe Randy Bachman.
I'm worried about the Elks - I think their D is aggressive and getting better - their running game is dangerous Rankin is a hard runner and we have given up a lit of rushing yards although lately been better but we'll have to play a very good 3 phase game to beat them. Just my opinion
Quote from: TrueBlue4 on October 02, 2025, 10:58:15 PMI'm worried about the Elks - I think their D is aggressive and getting better - their running game is dangerous Rankin is a hard runner and we have given up a lit of rushing yards although lately been better but we'll have to play a very good 3 phase game to beat them. Just my opinion
Run game is solid agree
Quote from: Horseman on October 02, 2025, 09:17:55 PMBurton Cummings also used to live on Bannatyne Ave and also maybe Randy Bachman.
Don't mean to be pedantic but I hate when wrong information is passed along, as sooner or later it displaces the truth. Kurt Winter lived on Bannatyne and moved to Chevrier Blvd. as the song tells. BC grew up on Lansdowne Ave. between Main and Scotia St, Bachman grew up 2 blocks over on Luxton Ave, but age difference of 4 years meant they didn't know each other till later on.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 02, 2025, 11:53:26 PMDon't mean to be pedantic but I hate when wrong information is passed along, as sooner or later it displaces the truth. Kurt Winter lived on Bannatyne and moved to Chevrier Blvd. as the song tells. BC grew up on Lansdowne Ave. between Main and Scotia St, Bachman grew up 2 blocks over on Luxton Ave, but age difference of 4 years meant they didn't know each other till later on.
When I was a kid I hung out at the Sals on Main, one street over from Landsdowne; pre fame Burton would drop by sometimes with Jumbo... his roadie/ bodyguard. Burton was flamboyant lol.
Facebook page "Manitoba Music museum" is dedicated to that period of music in wpg. Lots of photos articles updates and now, obits.
Elks D kind of collapsed last game after playing well for most of the game. I'm not sure why.
I think the Elks have to win out and beat us by more than 13 points. Bombers would have to lose out so Elks are in tough to have a shot at the play offs.
The Elks go as Fajardo goes. Get to him early and often, we win. Willie gets the arms up often, we win. Allen gets and early pick to put Cody off, we win. Cody doinks the FG post on an EZ pass, we crush them.
If the Elks can keep Cosy clean, and if he's dropping dimes, keeping him off the field is key. Long productive drives from Zach. Lots of 2nd and 3rd and inches to eat up TOP. And Sergio capping off every possession with points. Every one, be it a FG or a PAT.
Three phases, Vaval will be a target. Killam's ST heritage means he's going to be focused on that part of the game, MOS vs. Killam on teams is going to be a big factor. Win that battle, and it could be the game.
Quote from: Horseman on October 02, 2025, 09:17:55 PMBurton Cummings also used to live on Bannatyne Ave and also maybe Randy Bachman.
My wife's family lived on Imperial Ave (all 9 of them). The Kale family lived next block over and Jim Kale was a buddy with my brother in laws. So lots of connection with all Bomber things even though I had not even been introduced to my wife of 54 years (who by the way was introduced to me by Bill Frank who played for the big blue and worked parttime for my future father in law).
Quote from: theaardvark on October 03, 2025, 03:44:26 PMThe Elks go as Fajardo goes. Get to him early and often, we win. Willie gets the arms up often, we win. Allen gets and early pick to put Cody off, we win. Cody doinks the FG post on an EZ pass, we crush them.
If the Elks can keep Cosy clean, and if he's dropping dimes, keeping him off the field is key. Long productive drives from Zach. Lots of 2nd and 3rd and inches to eat up TOP. And Sergio capping off every possession with points. Every one, be it a FG or a PAT.
Three phases, Vaval will be a target. Killam's ST heritage means he's going to be focused on that part of the game, MOS vs. Killam on teams is going to be a big factor. Win that battle, and it could be the game.
don't forget Rankin who is their mop this year. I don't feel st will be a big factor, but turnovers will be huge. Edmonton against Sask did some things really well, utilizing Rankin and creating turnovers. Their linebackers are very active and get on top of the short game well, but give Zac time and he can kill them deep. I also think Olivera can be very effective especially as an outlet.
I like what we did against Hamilton in mixing up our offensive schemes to give Zac more protection and even utilized Chris Ike in a TE role a few times.
Practice today at 11:30. Will Wheatfall and Parker be back on the field today??
Quote from: Pigskin on October 06, 2025, 02:39:37 PMPractice today at 11:30. Will Wheatfall and Parker be back on the field today??
I'm not expecting Wheatfall to be available and possibly lost for the rest of the season ( shoulder ). Parker being available is a bit less iffy and he might be ready but Lawson is playing better so it's less of a problem. If we do get him back this week then bonus.
Griffin is the one I expect back but will require either Woods, Person or Ayers to be bumped to make room. Based on past decisions that is most likely Woods.
Now if all 3 of those injured players are available that will make for some interesting choices. Today's IR report will give us the 1st look at what to expect.
Bombers favoured by a field goal
I know lots of us thought this would be a win, but Edmonton has looked good recently.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 06, 2025, 03:18:07 PMParker being available is a bit less iffy and he might be ready but Lawson is playing better so it's less of a problem. If we do get him back this week then bonus.
Both Allen & Lawson have looked better lately. Has Parker lost his job? (I don't think so?)
But even with Lawson improving, teams are still picking on him as the weak link. That's not a great thing as if they keep testing him he may falter a few times and give up the big home runs. Can Parker lock down the corner better?
Does Parker's flexibility and vet knowledge make him more valuable overall?
Lawson makes me very nervous when he's on the field. Definitely our weakest link and yes fajardo is going to go after him
Quote from: Tecno on October 06, 2025, 07:20:48 PMBoth Allen & Lawson have looked better lately. Has Parker lost his job? (I don't think so?)
But even with Lawson improving, teams are still picking on him as the weak link. That's not a great thing as if they keep testing him he may falter a few times and give up the big home runs. Can Parker lock down the corner better?
Does Parker's flexibility and vet knowledge make him more valuable overall?
Parker is better but if his health is not 100% there is no need to rush him in. He wasn't practising the last couple of weeks so his status is TBD.
If Griffin plays and we take out Woods, then pressure on Fajardo is less and that can expose a weakness in the secondary.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 06, 2025, 07:59:41 PMIf Griffin plays and we take out Woods, then pressure on Fajardo is less and that can expose a weakness in the secondary.
Strange, but I don't think we've faced Cody much since he beat us in the cup. Maybe only 1 game?
Not sure Woods made much impact, so I wouldn't hold out Griffin just to have another IMP DT sitting there doing nothing. Have to look at the opponent, and this EDM likes to run bigly. Does a beefy SAM/tweener stop Rankin better than a washed Woods? That's likely the question the team is thinking about.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 06, 2025, 07:59:41 PMParker is better but if his health is not 100% there is no need to rush him in. He wasn't practising the last couple of weeks so his status is TBD.
If Griffin plays and we take out Woods, then pressure on Fajardo is less and that can expose a weakness in the secondary.
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I don't see Demerio Houston. Jamal Parker is at corner with the 1st team D
According to O'Shea Houston was due to flight delay.
Quote from: BBRT on October 03, 2025, 04:23:20 PMMy wife's family lived on Imperial Ave (all 9 of them). The Kale family lived next block over and Jim Kale was a buddy with my brother in laws. So lots of connection with all Bomber things even though I had not even been introduced to my wife of 54 years (who by the way was introduced to me by Bill Frank who played for the big blue and worked parttime for my future father in law).
My dad grew up with all these guys. He lived on Bannerman, and his best friend/next door neighbor was Gary Peterson (Guess Who drummer, also my sister's godfather).
Quote from: Tecno on October 06, 2025, 08:36:21 PMStrange, but I don't think we've faced Cody much since he beat us in the cup. Maybe only 1 game?
Not sure Woods made much impact, so I wouldn't hold out Griffin just to have another IMP DT sitting there doing nothing. Have to look at the opponent, and this EDM likes to run bigly. Does a beefy SAM/tweener stop Rankin better than a washed Woods? That's likely the question the team is thinking about.
I wouldn't hold out Griffin. I'm just saying if he returns then we have to remove an import. Woods did have 2 DT's in the game so he did have an impact. He also made a block on the Vaval opening K/O return for a TD.
Parker is practising with the 1st team defence but Houston is not there? Maybe a personal day or nicked a bit?
If Parker and Houston both play then Lawson gets bumped too.
Need clarification on what the deal with Houston is at the moment. Injury, illness or personal day. Having both play would be best option if possible.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 06, 2025, 09:02:11 PMI wouldn't hold out Griffin. I'm just saying if he returns then we have to remove an import. Woods did have 2 DT's in the game so he did have an impact. He also made a block on the Vaval opening K/O return for a TD.
Parker is practising with the 1st team defence but Houston is not there? Maybe a personal day or nicked a bit?
If Parker and Houston both play then Lawson gets bumped too.
Need clarification on what the deal with Houston is at the moment. Injury, illness or personal day. Having both play would be best option if possible.
Griffin isn't ready to return yet and according to O'Shea Houston was absent due to flight delay.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 06, 2025, 11:13:50 PMGriffin isn't ready to return yet and according to O'Shea Houston was absent due to flight delay.
That's unfortunate depending on how you look at it. Lawson could be used to fill that role or start at CB if one of Houston or Parker doesn't dress.
It's early but I think both may play and Woods is the odd man out by beefing up the secondary.
However there was some discussion about Ball being nicked and we don't have lots of choices to replace him. Bailey comes into play in that situation which could bump Person instead of Woods. That still gives us a rush end type and also DT depth.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 06, 2025, 11:23:52 PMThat's unfortunate depending on how you look at it. Lawson could be used to fill that role or start at CB if one of Houston or Parker doesn't dress.
It's early but I think both may play and Woods is the odd man out by beefing up the secondary.
However there was some discussion about Ball being nicked and we don't have lots of choices to replace him. Bailey comes into play in that situation which could bump Person instead of Woods. That still gives us a rush end type and also DT depth.
hope Woods isn't out, Edm with Rankin, Leakes and Fajardo rely on the rushing game a lot and they tend to stick with it. One of the problems we've had is that by the 4th qtr our dline is gassed. In fact last game Edm went with 10 dlinemen so they could maintain pressure all the game long.
Quote from: Pete on October 07, 2025, 01:27:57 AMhope Woods isn't out, Edm with Rankin, Leakes and Fajardo rely on the rushing game a lot and they tend to stick with it. One of the problems we've had is that by the 4th qtr our dline is gassed. In fact last game Edm went with 10 dlinemen so they could maintain pressure all the game long.
Agree. I think they will rush our soft middle and expose our weakness-stopping the run.
Quote from: dd on October 07, 2025, 01:33:22 AMAgree. I think they will rush our soft middle and expose our weakness-stopping the run.
I dunno. Rankin has been doing major damage on the edge runs too. He's fast.
Our LBers and DBs are pretty disciplined and will make sure there are layers of defense against Rankin explosions. Last time we faced them they had 2 run threats: Rankin and Ford. And we contained them. Now they just have one. Should be even easier.
Quote from: Pete on October 07, 2025, 01:27:57 AMhope Woods isn't out, Edm with Rankin, Leakes and Fajardo rely on the rushing game a lot and they tend to stick with it. One of the problems we've had is that by the 4th qtr our dline is gassed. In fact last game Edm went with 10 dlinemen so they could maintain pressure all the game long.
I agree and that wouldn't be my 1st choice but it's been discussed nearly every week. O'Shea doesn't seem to agree. We just need to win regardless of what changes we make.
Playoff ranking is on the table.
Last open practice of the week today starting at 11:30.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 07, 2025, 03:02:42 PMLast open practice of the week today starting at 11:30.
Didn't we practice yesterday and where is the daily IR report?
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 07, 2025, 05:06:52 PMDidn't we practice yesterday and where is the daily IR report?
It was an extra practice so the team didn't submit an injury report.
The IR report is up for today. Parker and Wheatfall are both listed as " full ". I'm surprised about both to some degree but this is good news. Houston was just delayed due to return flight issue so he's good to go as well.
We can speculate on how this changes this week's game AR but it's moot at this point. Choices are good and we don't seem to have lost any further players to injury. No mention about Ball so even that is good news.
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I could see them holding Wheatfall out another week and giving Mitchell another game just because it's in Edmonton and he's still coming on. It would be good timing for him to have a breakout game.
Houston still not back and he's missed 2 practices this week, being new to the secondary is that enough to dress Parker in his place?
Quote from: gobombersgo on October 07, 2025, 09:13:53 PMIt was an extra practice so the team didn't submit an injury report.
So, it looks like they are practicing 3 times this week. But, since Monday was 4 days before the walkthrough I guess they weren't required to put out an injured report.
Tuesday, October 7
Practice: 11:30 a.m.- 1:10 p.m.
Wednesday, October 8
Closed practice
Thursday, October 9
Off day – no availability
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Quote from: dd on October 07, 2025, 01:33:22 AMAgree. I think they will rush our soft middle and expose our weakness-stopping the run.
We are 4th in yards allowed rushing, it's not our weakness and our DTs are not as soft as some suggest imo
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I would keep Woods in but there will be tough choices. Wheat in only if 110%. Pass on Logan.
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No Nic Demski. From previous Instagram posts this may be new baby time for his family!
Joey Corcoran is working in Demski's receiver spot.
LG Paddy Neufeld is back to practice today. He had yesterday off as a vet day.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 07, 2025, 10:57:58 PMWe are 4th in yards allowed rushing, it's not our weakness and our DTs are not as soft as some suggest imo
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I would keep Woods in but there will be tough choices. Wheat in only if 110%. Pass on Logan.
We have a great LB corps and that helps limit the damage but our tackles contribute very little be it run defense or pass rush.
How many tackles have our DTs made?? I'd like to see that stat vs other teams guaranteed we are dead last in the league. Guaranteed .
Jake Thomas 15 games 9 defensive tackles
Cameron Lawson 9 games, 16 defensive tackles
Jamal Woods 1 game, 2 defensive tackles
Devin Adams 10 games, 9 defensive tackles
Colin Kornelson 9 games, 3 defensive tackles
Tanner Schmekel 4 games, 2 defensive tackles
In comparison, Sayles has 29 in 15 games
Myles Fox has 24 in 16 games
Shawn Oakman has 24 in 16 games
All 3 are American though. We also may play a different defense (3 man front) that gives less opportunity to interior linemen to make tackles. Make of the stats what you will.
Quote from: dd on October 08, 2025, 12:35:48 AMWe have a great LB corps and that helps limit the damage but our tackles contribute very little be it run defense or pass rush.
How many tackles have our DTs made?? I'd like to see that stat vs other teams guaranteed we are dead last in the league. Guaranteed .
You were wrong about our run D being a weakness. Yes our LBs are very good. Our run D is above average. The entire defense and play calling has allowed that to happen, including our DTs.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 07, 2025, 09:41:35 PMI could see them holding Wheatfall out another week and giving Mitchell another game just because it's in Edmonton and he's still coming on. It would be good timing for him to have a breakout game.
Houston still not back and he's missed 2 practices this week, being new to the secondary is that enough to dress Parker in his place?
I'm not worried about Houston and with Parker coming off an injury, he's more ready to play. However, that doesn't mean Parker doesn't push Lawson. That's the real question. It might depend on whether he continues at " full " today or is limited.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 07, 2025, 10:57:58 PMWe are 4th in yards allowed rushing, it's not our weakness and our DTs are not as soft as some suggest imo
2025 CFL Defense Rankings - Rushing | The Football Database https://share.google/CwKsGWuCwueyx5FPw
I would keep Woods in but there will be tough choices. Wheat in only if 110%. Pass on Logan.
We're only 51 yards less than the 2nd place team so that's not much to hang our hats on. 2 teams above us have had 18 more rushing attempts against them.
This is only a couple of stats and we'd have to also look at TOP on defence as a whole. Total yards given up. Run defence is part of the equation but so is pressure on the QB, sacks and TFL.
Quote from: bunker on October 08, 2025, 02:28:28 AMJake Thomas 15 games 9 defensive tackles
Cameron Lawson 9 games, 16 defensive tackles
Jamal Woods 1 game, 2 defensive tackles
Devin Adams 10 games, 9 defensive tackles
Colin Kornelson 9 games, 3 defensive tackles
Tanner Schmekel 4 games, 2 defensive tackles
In comparison, Sayles has 29 in 15 games
Myles Fox has 24 in 16 games
Shawn Oakman has 24 in 16 games
All 3 are American though. We also may play a different defense (3 man front) that gives less opportunity to interior linemen to make tackles. Make of the stats what you will.
Like Fox, Adams and Woods have not been given enough playing time. I expect they will also move on from the Bombers at the end of the season and go on to play well with our teams like Fox has.
DBs finally seem to be on the same page, hate to mess with the chemistry. However, if Parker is 100%, I think we have to find a spot for him.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 08, 2025, 03:30:53 PMDBs finally seem to be on the same page, hate to mess with the chemistry. However, if Parker is 100%, I think we have to find a spot for him.
As I mentioned last week it's also a question about how they fill the role of Griffin. Lawson has been starting at CB while Parker has been out. He could be moved to that role if Parker returns at CB.
Woodbey may have taken on some of the Griffin role? The personnel changes happen so quickly series to series, it's hard to keep up on TV. I did notice Kelly on defence a few times and that wouldn't be my 1st choice. OTOH it's a solution forced by multiple injuries at the same time.
Griffin has been out for the last two games, and Woodbey has done a good job of replacing him.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 08, 2025, 03:55:53 PMGriffin has been out for the last two games, and Woodbey has done a good job of replacing him.
Yup and Kelly been ok as well in spot duty
Quote from: Pigskin on October 08, 2025, 03:55:53 PMGriffin has been out for the last two games, and Woodbey has done a good job of replacing him.
Woodbey was on the roster before Griffin was injured. So his role is adapting to current needs. He does seem to be all over the defence and has 24 DT's in 5 games. Sometimes high DT's is not a good thing but I think in his case it is a sign that he's involved rather than a targeted player.
If he is being targeted at times, he's not being beaten badly. He continues to improve and I like what he brings to the roster.
It's almost certain he won't be taken off the AR when Griffin returns but he might see a few less reps.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 08, 2025, 01:30:47 PMI'm not worried about Houston and with Parker coming off an injury, he's more ready to play. However, that doesn't mean Parker doesn't push Lawson. That's the real question. It might depend on whether he continues at " full " today or is limited.
The main problem with Parker now is he might be an AR "liability" in that he often might not finish games. Think Biggie in the GC... putting him on AR was stupid because there was a high probability he wouldn't be able to take all of his allotted snaps.
So if you want Parker on the field, you need to put him on NOW to make sure he won't just get injured every game. Don't wait until the post-season to AR him just to have him be injured and done on the 2nd play.
Quote from: Tecno on October 08, 2025, 08:11:33 PMThe main problem with Parker now is he might be an AR "liability" in that he often might not finish games. Think Biggie in the GC... putting him on AR was stupid because there was a high probability he wouldn't be able to take all of his allotted snaps.
So if you want Parker on the field, you need to put him on NOW to make sure he won't just get injured every game. Don't wait until the post-season to AR him just to have him be injured and done on the 2nd play.
I'm not sure you can make that leap in thought. Parker has had a few injuries but I think it's too early to suggest he's prone to injury.
He was at full again today so IMO he gets added to the AR. O'Shea was a little more vague about Houston but I expect he will play as well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 08, 2025, 08:56:45 PMI'm not sure you can make that leap in thought. Parker has had a few injuries but I think it's too early to suggest he's prone to injury.
But didn't he literally just get reinjured in his first game back the other week? Hasn't he been bouncing on/off the IR all season?
I'm not consigning him to the
Biggie IR scrapheap just yet, but if I'm picking my GC AR tomorrow, I'm thinking long and hard whether Parker can actually finish that game.
That's why I want to see him start & finish basically every remaining reg season game, starting now. Otherwise, let's keep beefing up Lawson & Allen with live reps.
Parker may be in simply because Houston hasn't been at practice. (was he in practice today?)
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 08, 2025, 08:56:45 PMParker has had a few injuries but I think it's too early to suggest he's prone to injury.
I would suggest it. He's never played a full season. Love the guy when he plays though.
Quote from: Tecno on October 08, 2025, 10:06:39 PMBut didn't he literally just get reinjured in his first game back the other week? Hasn't he been bouncing on/off the IR all season?
I'm not consigning him to the Biggie IR scrapheap just yet, but if I'm picking my GC AR tomorrow, I'm thinking long and hard whether Parker can actually finish that game.
That's why I want to see him start & finish basically every remaining reg season game, starting now. Otherwise, let's keep beefing up Lawson & Allen with live reps.
You have a reasonable point. I just don't know what the outcome will be. Another possible injury replacement can be made by how we decide on our DI's beyond who is starting.
To that end I've suggested Lawson would be preferable to retain on the AR for the moment. Even that is clouded if Griffin is able to return before the end of the regular season.
Using Vaval as the primary back up at CB is not the preferred choice.
Each of the remaining games may be the equivalent of a play off fight. IIRC, if we defeat the Elks we're in but that may be in the west or a crossover. In that sense a victory takes the heat off somewhat, but not totally.
I'd like to see the Stamps blow another game and that would help as well.
Quote from: bunker on October 08, 2025, 02:28:28 AMJake Thomas 15 games 9 defensive tackles
Cameron Lawson 9 games, 16 defensive tackles
Jamal Woods 1 game, 2 defensive tackles
Devin Adams 10 games, 9 defensive tackles
Colin Kornelson 9 games, 3 defensive tackles
Tanner Schmekel 4 games, 2 defensive tackles
In comparison, Sayles has 29 in 15 games
Myles Fox has 24 in 16 games
Shawn Oakman has 24 in 16 games
All 3 are American though. We also may play a different defense (3 man front) that gives less opportunity to interior linemen to make tackles. Make of the stats what you will.
Those are ugly stats. Good thing we let both Sayles and Fox go from here, heck, what would we do if our DT's were making 24 tackels in 16 games instead of 3. And our DT's aren't our weakness, ya whatever!!!
As of October 8, only Nic Demski and Michael Griffin did not practice and Demski's absence was not injury related.
Vanterpool, Parker, Wheatfall Logan and Kolankowski all participated in the full practice. Indications are we should be pretty healthy for the Edmonton game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 08, 2025, 11:33:22 PMYou have a reasonable point. I just don't know what the outcome will be. Another possible injury replacement can be made by how we decide on our DI's beyond who is starting.
To that end I've suggested Lawson would be preferable to retain on the AR for the moment. Even that is clouded if Griffin is able to return before the end of the regular season.
Using Vaval as the primary back up at CB is not the preferred choice.
Each of the remaining games may be the equivalent of a play off fight. IIRC, if we defeat the Elks we're in but that may be in the west or a crossover. In that sense a victory takes the heat off somewhat, but not totally.
A log jam is forming at the OLB positions, Kyrie, Griffin, Ayers, Woodbey can all play WIL and Kramdi, Griffin and Woodbey can all play SAM. This is going to be tough to sort out next season without losing anyone, probably impossible. Kramdi is the light weight at 189 lbs, he isn't really built to take on the heavier running backs and probably wouldn't ever admit it but his tackling form isn't particularly good.
In order to keep the most Import players in play, I'd like to see Kramdi moved to primary Safety in place of Allen, who can probably play any of the DB positions eventually, potentially even replacing Nichols or Holm at HB if lost in FA or as a cost savings move. It would also be a good way to extend Kramdi's career with Smith and Shay quickly moving into positions to surpass him on the depth chart.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 02:56:07 AMA log jam is forming at the OLB positions, Kyrie, Griffin, Ayers, Woodbey can all play WIL and Kramdi, Griffin and Woodbey can all play SAM.
Good thing WILL is usually a low paid position. If no one gets better offers then we can retain whoever we like. Depth can't hurt, but that means some people sit on PR. SAM can be cheap, but can also be pricier (Pickett) if top quality.
Kramdi to FS is interesting, but I think he's still got a lock on SAM. He may be small but he does seem to bring down most that pass his way -- even beefier RBs. I think his main talent, other than his passport, is his brain, which would make him a good fit at FS, who is often the "QB of our DBs" -- but then someone needs to step up at LB to be the "QB of the D". Not sure T.Jones is that guy.
According to today's injury report...
Questionable
Wheatfall
Parker
Griffin
Doubtful
Demski (but not injury related)
Quote from: ModAdmin on October 09, 2025, 04:05:34 PMAccording to today's injury report...
Questionable
Wheatfall
Parker
Griffin
Doubtful
Demski (but not injury related)
If Demski doesn't play it may up the desire to add Wheatfall back to the roster. That's a tough call if he's questionable and it's another twist into the ratio requiring to remove an import from the defence. Obviously we could just add Cobb and start Corcoran but Wheatfall would be preferable.
IIRC Demski's wife is about to give birth so it's understandable if he is unavailable.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 09, 2025, 05:34:01 PMwe could just add Cobb
I'm sure Cobb would love to play his old team. Sometimes you get the best from a player in that situation.
Quote from: Waffler on October 09, 2025, 05:40:17 PMI'm sure Cobb would love to play his old team. Sometimes you get the best from a player in that situation.
Sure but he'd only be the back up and might not even get any significant reps.
Quote from: Waffler on October 09, 2025, 05:40:17 PMI'm sure Cobb would love to play his old team. Sometimes you get the best from a player in that situation.
Agree, if Demski can't play give Cobb one legitimate chance to show what he can do, Corcoran has had multiple opportunities already and he hasn't done much.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 06:41:37 PMAgree, if Demski can't play give Cobb one legitimate chance to show what he can do, Corcoran has had multiple opportunities already and he hasn't done much.
AFAIK Corcoran has only had 1 drop. He just doesn't get targeted much. Doesn't help that some of his starts were with no-throw Strev.
For all we know he may be the next Demski.
Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 08:15:35 PMAFAIK Corcoran has only had 1 drop. He just doesn't get targeted much. Doesn't help that some of his starts were with no-throw Strev.
For all we know he may be the next Demski.
Corcoran looks nothing like Demski, he resembles a Natl. receiver that should remain a backup utility player at best. Compared to the quality of Natl. receivers now starring across the CFL the Bombers are miles behind in this category. If on the Riders he would be 5th or 6th on their depth chart, on the Bombers he's 3rd.
Yeah I don't know about giving Cobb a chance to start with a play off spot on the line.
I'd go so far as adding Echols if Demski and Wheatfall are not available. This is not a game where we can lose the output at one receiver spot.
A Calgary loss and then a Bomber win puts us in 2nd place at least temporarily.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 09:11:34 PMCorcoran looks nothing like Demski, he resembles a Natl. receiver that should remain a backup utility player at best.
You're forgetting that's exactly what Demski looked like in his first seasons with SSK. Even LaFrance showed more promise early on than Demski did, and look where he is now.
I'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he
could be. Sometimes with these smaller NAT RECs you need to be patient.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 02:56:07 AMA log jam is forming at the OLB positions, Kyrie, Griffin, Ayers, Woodbey can all play WIL and Kramdi, Griffin and Woodbey can all play SAM. This is going to be tough to sort out next season without losing anyone, probably impossible. Kramdi is the light weight at 189 lbs, he isn't really built to take on the heavier running backs and probably wouldn't ever admit it but his tackling form isn't particularly good.
In order to keep the most Import players in play, I'd like to see Kramdi moved to primary Safety in place of Allen, who can probably play any of the DB positions eventually, potentially even replacing Nichols or Holm at HB if lost in FA or as a cost savings move. It would also be a good way to extend Kramdi's career with Smith and Shay quickly moving into positions to surpass him on the depth chart.
Pass on Kramdi at safety
He is a great LB
Allen will be a good safety
Yes need to find reps for Smith and Shay
Our depth at LB is and will continue to be the strength of this club
Corcoran has been fine
Cobb is ok but not the best time to play him imo but I do like him
Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMI'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be.
More like the next Bailey. His main job here is to block.
Corcoran: six-foot-one, 208 pounds and a 4.76 in the 40.
Bailey: six-foot-one, 205 pounds and a 4.61 in the 40.
Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMYou're forgetting that's exactly what Demski looked like in his first seasons with SSK. Even LaFrance showed more promise early on than Demski did, and look where he is now.
I'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be. Sometimes with these smaller NAT RECs you need to be patient.
If you can't see the difference by watching them playing I don't know how to respond, they're not in the same ballpark as far as natural talent goes.
Corcoran was selected in the 39th pick of the fifth round in the 2025 CFL draft by the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Demski was highly rated coming out of the UofM, Walters obviously knew all about his versatility and wanted to draft him, unfortunately the Riders picked him 6th overall in 2015 and the Bombers were forced to settle for the legendary Addison Richards. Ironically the Bombers traded the Riders for the #2 pick and selected Sukh Chungh instead of Demski.
Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMYou're forgetting that's exactly what Demski looked like in his first seasons with SSK. Even LaFrance showed more promise early on than Demski did, and look where he is now.
I'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be. Sometimes with these smaller NAT RECs you need to be patient.
Demsski had more catches for over twice as many yards in one less game and also contributed as a returner as a rookie.
Not the same at all. Also had way better athletic measurables.
Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMYou're forgetting that's exactly what Demski looked like in his first seasons with SSK. Even LaFrance showed more promise early on than Demski did, and look where he is now.
I'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be. Sometimes with these smaller NAT RECs you need to be patient.
First off Corcoran is 6'1 lbs so not really small, but the bigger issue is that he's slow. His combine speed was 4.76. Yeah he has decent hands but he's not in Demski's league in terms of speed and running ability.
Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 12:37:11 AMFirst off Corcoran is 6'1 lbs so not really small, but the bigger issue is that he's slow. His combine speed was 4.76. Yeah he has decent hands but he's not in Demski's league in terms of speed and running ability.
4.76 is not terribly slow, be interested what Demski's 40 time is, bet its same ball park.
Quote from: dd on October 10, 2025, 12:39:44 AM4.76 is not terribly slow, be interested what Demski's 40 time is, bet its same ball park.
Demski 4.56 (he may have lost a step since then though)
(similar to Mcinnis and Kevin Clercius 4.59).
4.76 is pretty slow for a receiver ,
Quote from: dd on October 10, 2025, 12:39:44 AM4.76 is not terribly slow, be interested what Demski's 40 time is, bet its same ball park.
That's a lousy tine for a wr. His other measurables at the combine also were not great. Corcoran profiles more as the 99 cent store Jamie Stoddard than the next Demski.
Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 12:37:11 AMFirst off Corcoran is 6'1.
I don't know why, but I perceived Corcoran to be short(er) on the field. I didn't know he was 6'1. Would never have guessed that.
Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 12:37:11 AMYeah he has decent hands but he's not in Demski's league in terms of speed and running ability.
Wow, tough crowd! I'm trying to have some optimism on the young Canadian and you guys just shoot him down as a never-was. Hope he doesn't read the forum!
I'm sure there's some similar NATs that went on to have CFL success. 6'1 and hands could make up for the slower speed. Look at Schoen -- he's never been fast.
Quote from: RebusRankin on October 09, 2025, 11:22:00 PMDemsski had more catches for over twice as many yards in one less game and also contributed as a returner as a rookie.
Not the same at all.
That's not saying very much given Corcoran's tiny output so far. Both got very few targets in rookie year, probably both were the last read any given snap.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 10:44:57 PMIf you can't see the difference by watching them playing I don't know how to respond
Again, compare rookie Demski to rookie Corcoran, not today's Demski to rookie Corcoran. If you are saying you remember "watching [Demski] play" in his rookie year and paid attention to a rookie nobody NAT dressed in green -- I'm not sure I believe you! I certainly didn't pay him any attention!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 10:44:57 PMthey're not in the same ballpark as far as natural talent goes.
Corcoran was selected in the 39th pick of the fifth round in the 2025 CFL draft by the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
You may have a point there. I didn't know they drafted so differently.
Quote from: Tecno on October 10, 2025, 04:57:26 AMAgain, compare rookie Demski to rookie Corcoran, not today's Demski to rookie Corcoran. If you are saying you remember "watching [Demski] play" in his rookie year and paid attention to a rookie nobody NAT dressed in green -- I'm not sure I believe you! I certainly didn't pay him any attention!
You may have a point there. I didn't know they drafted so differently.
Then you should probably stop making the argument, lol.
Riders used him on special teams to take advantage of his elite athleticism while he was still figuring out if he was going to to be a RB, or receiver, or gadget player, but they got him on the field is as many ways as possible. We had wanted to draft him too, he was a top prospect.
Quote from: Tecno on October 10, 2025, 04:52:41 AMI don't know why, but I perceived Corcoran to be short(er) on the field. I didn't know he was 6'1. Would never have guessed that.
Wow, tough crowd! I'm trying to have some optimism on the young Canadian and you guys just shoot him down as a never-was. Hope he doesn't read the forum!
I'm sure there's some similar NATs that went on to have CFL success. 6'1 and hands could make up for the slower speed. Look at Schoen -- he's never been fast.
again your misinformation in this case is a lot. Schoens time was better than the others at 4.5.
Not saying that corcoran cant be successful in the proper capacity but it will be uphill. For one thing his blocking skills need to improve, and develop a high level ability to read defences
Hes just not a comparable to Demski.
Cocoran was the one wide open receiver that CS17 was able to find in his 3 completion start, so his "getting open" ability is there.
He has been targeted 10 times, caught 9 of them. So, "good hands"?
He's a raw rookie, his blocking at a pro level in the CFL will be something they will be working on. But no reason he can't do it.
Is he Nic Demski today? Nope. Not even close. But unless we continue to develop him, he never will be. He's a year behind Clercius in development, adapting to the CFL game is not something that comes instantly, but he seems to be progressing just fine. 5th rec has been a place to hide a development/fringe NAT player in the CFL...
Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 02:32:11 PMagain your misinformation in this case is a lot. Schoens time was better than the others at 4.5.
Not saying that corcoran cant be successful in the proper capacity but it will be uphill. For one thing his blocking skills need to improve, and develop a high level ability to read defences
Hes just not a comparable to Demski.
I believe Corcoran can attain the level of Woli. if he puts in years of hard work, but he's never going to be a Philpot, McInnes, Emilus or Demski.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2025, 04:56:29 PMI believe Corcoran can attain the level of Woli. if he puts in years of hard work, but he's never going to be a Philpot, McInnes, Emilus or Demski.
Receivers at the level of Woli are available every off season in free agency. Perhaps Corcoran can achieve that level next year or the last year of his ELC. He needs to show improvement going into 2026 or could face being replaced.
Canadian back ups that don't also play on ST's need to progress year to year. We'll see what his future brings.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 10, 2025, 05:33:56 PMReceivers at the level of Woli are available every off season in free agency. Perhaps Corcoran can achieve that level next year or the last year of his ELC. He needs to show improvement going into 2026 or could face being replaced.
Canadian back ups that don't also play on ST's need to progress year to year. We'll see what his future brings.
Woli was a good blocker and reliable receiver but the thing that kept him in the league for so long other than the ratio was reading the QB's mind and knowing where to be when. That's not a skill many receivers can tap into without years of experience. If Corcoran can contribute on ST he has the chance to hang around on the fringe and maybe figure it out eventually. Hoping they shop for a Natl. receiver in FA next year, preferably a big one like McInnis.
Quote from: Tecno on October 10, 2025, 04:53:46 AMThat's not saying very much given Corcoran's tiny output so far. Both got very few targets in rookie year, probably both were the last read any given snap.
I'm going to say it slowly. Even as a rookie, Demski was more productive as a receiver. Demski also was used as a returner as a rookie and was productive. So overall, even rookie Demski was more productive than rookie Corcoran.
Then if you go deeper and realize that Corcoran is slow (see his 40 time at the combine), not agile (see his 3 cone time at the combine) and is not a leaper (see his vertical at the combine) and his upside is fairly limited.
Quote from: theaardvark on October 10, 2025, 04:55:03 PMCocoran was the one wide open receiver that CS17 was able to find in his 3 completion start, so his "getting open" ability is there.
He has been targeted 10 times, caught 9 of them. So, "good hands"?
He's a raw rookie, his blocking at a pro level in the CFL will be something they will be working on. But no reason he can't do it.
Is he Nic Demski today? Nope. Not even close. But unless we continue to develop him, he never will be. He's a year behind Clercius in development, adapting to the CFL game is not something that comes instantly, but he seems to be progressing just fine. 5th rec has been a place to hide a development/fringe NAT player in the CFL...
Good teams aren't hiding fringe NAT at the 5th WR spot. Look at BC, Eberhardt is the 5th receiver. Hamilton's 5th guy is Bolo. Calgary's is Tevin Jones.
Quote from: Tecno on October 10, 2025, 04:57:26 AMAgain, compare rookie Demski to rookie Corcoran, not today's Demski to rookie Corcoran. If you are saying you remember "watching [Demski] play" in his rookie year and paid attention to a rookie nobody NAT dressed in green -- I'm not sure I believe you! I certainly didn't pay him any attention!
I actually do remember watching Demski's rookie season with the Riders, the Bomber fan base was quite unhappy he ended up playing in Regina and were disappointed in Addison Richards who I don't think ever played in a game. Riderfans didn't appreciate Demski at all, they mostly complained he juked too often instead of heading directly up field on punt returns.
2015 Demski: 13/17, 165 yards, 12.7 avg. Longest 72 yards.
2016 Demski: 37/60, 338 yards, 9.1 avg. Longest 53 yards, 2 TDs.
2025 Corcoran: 9/10, 76 yards, 8.4 avg. Longest 24 yards.
2017 Woli. 1/3, 15 yards, 15 avg. Longest. 15 yards.
2018 Woli. 45/60, 650 yards, 14.4 avg. Longest 60 yards. 5 TDs.
Lets see how Corcoran develops.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 10, 2025, 10:58:13 PM2015 Demski: 13/17, 165 yards, 12.7 avg. Longest 72 yards.
2016 Demski: 37/60, 338 yards, 9.1 avg. Longest 53 yards, 2 TDs.
2025 Corcoran: 9/10, 76 yards, 8.4 avg. Longest 24 yards.
2017 Woli. 1/3, 15 yards, 15 avg. Longest. 15 yards.
2018 Woli. 45/60, 650 yards, 14.4 avg. Longest 60 yards. 5 TDs.
Lets see how Corcoran develops.
Demski was a first round pick and highly touted. Woli played NCAA D1 in the Big 10. Corcoran is a 5th rounder with weak measurables across the board. Good chance he never develops into much. Most 5th rounders don't.
Quote from: RebusRankin on October 10, 2025, 09:07:30 PMI'm going to say it slowly. Even as a rookie, Demski was more productive as a receiver. Demski also was used as a returner as a rookie and was productive. So overall, even rookie Demski was more productive than rookie Corcoran.
And I'll repeat what I said slowly. 165Y vs 76Y is nothing to write home about. It's basically the same thing: virtually nothing. It's pointless to say that "whoa! Demski doubled Corcoran's yardage!".
Plus, was Demski just a dressed backup, or did he start many/most games that season? Corcoran doesn't get targets because he's basically only on the field if someone gets hurt.
Demski 13/17, Corcoran 9/10. Hmmm... there's at least one stat that says Corcoran had a
better start than Demski!
I'm not arguing Demski's rookie year versatility, or nitpicking combine stats. But it's not reality to say Demski was putting up the huge yards or % in his rookie year either.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2025, 09:31:14 PMRiderfans didn't appreciate Demski at all, they mostly complained he juked too often instead of heading directly up field on punt returns.
Whenever Demski lights one up Riderfans still complain about his "dancing" when in green. They swear he was never fast, slippery, or good when in green. Maybe they are right!
Quote from: Tecno on October 11, 2025, 02:22:26 AMAnd I'll repeat what I said slowly. 165Y vs 76Y is nothing to write home about. It's basically the same thing: virtually nothing. It's pointless to say that "whoa! Demski doubled Corcoran's yardage!".
That's also ignoring Demski's rushing, punt return, and kick return yardage.
You've already admitted you didn't realize their draft value was so different. Demski was drafted to be a starter. Corcoran was drafted to be a special teamer/deep depth for as long as he can hold on to one of the final roster spots.
Really dont get the comparison to Demski, maybe Clercius but again hes slower
Saying he could be as good as Wolitarski if we develop him isnt really that much of a goal. With the way cdn receivers are improving it would be much more benificial to draft one with the tools and athletiicism such as Emilus, Philpot, Mcinnis, Shafer baker, Ajou, Julien Grant, the list goes on and unfortunately Corocans not on it
Today's game is Huuuge. The Elks are better than their record and have been highly competitive in the last few games. They are 2 minutes short of three more wins against Hamilton, Sask & Toronto. They need this game to have any chance at the playoffs this year. I expect them to compete hard at least for 58 minutes of the game.
Quote from: TBURGESS on October 11, 2025, 02:36:44 PMToday's game is Huuuge. The Elks are better than their record and have been highly competitive in the last few games. They are 2 minutes short of three more wins against Hamilton, Sask & Toronto. They need this game to have any chance at the playoffs this year. I expect them to compete hard at least for 58 minutes of the game.
We also lost 2 games by a combined 5 points IIRC. Most teams have won or lost a game in the last few moments of games.
Bombers lost to the Stamps 28-27. That's the difference between being in 2nd place at the moment and the reality of 4th place. Most of the teams have similar what if's scenarios in their win / loss record. It's the nature of the game. One or two plays if often the difference between winning an losing.
Quote from: Pete on October 11, 2025, 02:30:14 PMReally dont get the comparison to Demski, maybe Clercius but again hes slower
Saying he could be as good as Wolitarski if we develop him isnt really that much of a goal. With the way cdn receivers are improving it would be much more benificial to draft one with the tools and athletiicism such as Emilus, Philpot, Mcinnis, Shafer baker, Ajou, Julien Grant, the list goes on and unfortunately Corocans not on it
Woli was very consistent and good asset and having Canadians get to that level is a big asset imo. Yes we have seen the star Cdn receiver on other clubs which is nice but not the long term norm.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 11, 2025, 04:21:07 PMWe also lost 2 games by a combined 5 points IIRC. Most teams have won or lost a game in the last few moments of games.
Bombers lost to the Stamps 28-27. That's the difference between being in 2nd place at the moment and the reality of 4th place. Most of the teams have similar what if's scenarios in their win / loss record. It's the nature of the game. One or two plays if often the difference between winning an losing.
With the Elks it's been 3 games in a row that they were winning at the 58-minute mark. Then they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Where's Snitzy? No Bonfire pre-game show with Walby, Bauming moving onto the Jets and dropping the ball on the Bombers?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 11, 2025, 06:46:27 PMWhere's Snitzy? No Bonfire pre-game show with Walby, Bauming moving onto the Jets and dropping the ball on the Bombers?
It's on.... I just watched it for a few minutes.
Quote from: markf on October 12, 2025, 02:28:48 AMIt's on.... I just watched it for a few minutes.
Let me guess, major depression mode with dudes looking hungover?
I'll go take a peek. Sometimes entertaining, and comiserating can sometimes be fun :P :P :P
Quote from: markf on October 12, 2025, 02:28:48 AMIt's on.... I just watched it for a few minutes.
Yes post game with Zach, no pre-game with Walby.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 12, 2025, 03:16:23 AMYes post game with Zach, no pre-game with Walby.
Ah sorry did not read your post very well.