Another must win game for the Bomber. Big question for us again this week is injuries. Parker, Griffin, ZC8, Sterns and Wheat. We seem to have the run game back on track. But, our pass protection still needs some work. Would be nice to get a healthy ZC8 back this week.
Wilson also nicked
Quote from: Pigskin on September 22, 2025, 01:40:40 PMAnother must win game for the Bomber. Big question for us again this week is injuries. Parker, Griffin, ZC8, Sterns and Wheat. We seem to have the run game back on track. But, our pass protection still needs some work. Would be nice to get a healthy ZC8 back this week.
Agreed. If we're remotely healthy I think we can win this game at home. Nichols and Wilson were also nicked a bit. It's all but certain Wheatfall will be out. The others are all TBD. Horrible time to rack up more injuries but football is a violent sport and we're not the only team having issues.
The EEs lost but BC is hot
We need to keep winning.
God help us we could win with Strev at the helm again.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2025, 02:19:54 PMAgreed. If we're remotely healthy I think we can win this game at home. Nichols and Wilson were also nicked a bit. It's all but certain Wheatfall will be out. The others are all TBD. Horrible time to rack up more injuries but football is a violent sport and we're not the only team having issues.
Both finished the game on the field, so I expect they might miss a day of practice and be good to go on Saturday.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 22, 2025, 02:32:49 PMBoth finished the game on the field, so I expect they might miss a day of practice and be good to go on Saturday.
That's good to know.
HAM isn't nearly as good as the power rankings say. Best in the E doesn't mean squat this season, as injuries have ruined that division.
Our last game in HAM was totally winnable, before it wasn't. Even though it made for angry fans and "boring" series, our "just don't throw an INT" ball-security approach is really all we need to win games. Ya, we need Zach back and throwing some good mid/deep shots, but we have to win the TO ratio every game.
Our fancy & novel DB scheme is actually tailor made to beat HAM & BLM. BLM isn't a patient 7Y pass guy like Trevor. He'll be giving us chances to get INTs. Kenny has been hot only ~2 games this season, and many games he does nothing -- including our last HAM game.
Winnable, even with Strev, though I hope (and am pretty sure) Zach will be back.
We have the bye after this HAM game!
I wasn't aware of that / had forgotten. That changes the calculus a bit. That means if there's any Zach question at all, they probably keep him out. Why not? He'll get 3 more entire weeks from today to recover more if he doesn't play vs HAM.
Might mean some other injuries aren't rushed back either. But on the flip side, the O needs all the help/healthy they can get, on-field, right now. And the D will go downhill fast if any of our all-stars are out.
We also have a pretty bad track record lately going into the bye. Laziness and complacency and one foot out the door have been a problem.
This may be our last "easy game", along with maybe @EDM. I think MTL will have Alexander back for vs MTL. We need to bank this win.
Zach is back practicing - DT says he looks set to return
Quote from: The Zipp on September 23, 2025, 04:50:53 PMZach is back practicing - DT says he looks set to return
There is some great news!!!
:)
Quote from: The Zipp on September 23, 2025, 04:50:53 PMZach is back practicing - DT says he looks set to return
How about Sterns and Griffin updates?
from ed tait:
Sterns is back
No wheatfall
Woods at DT
Quote from: The Zipp on September 23, 2025, 05:38:51 PMfrom ed tait:
Sterns is back
No wheatfall
Woods at DT
Woods seemed further down the depth chart than Adams. Even if they choose to add an import DT, that wouldn't seem to be their choice. The option to add an import DT comes at the expense of another DI and we haven't come to an agreement even among us posters.
Hamilton is not a strong running team so beefing up the middle also doesn't seem practical at this point?
Figured Sterns would be close to coming back and the injury to Wheatfall adds weight to needing to do that.
griffin not dressed
I want Woods, give me Woods
But who comes out?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 23, 2025, 06:30:58 PMgriffin not dressed
That's disappointing. BLM is more dangerous a passer than Dru Brown IMO. Griffin is an important player in our coverage schemes.
Noting that we still gave up 400 yards to Brown so it's an issue.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2025, 06:15:21 PMWoods seemed further down the depth chart than Adams. Even if they choose to add an import DT, that wouldn't seem to be their choice. The option to add an import DT comes at the expense of another DI and we haven't come to an agreement even among us posters.
Hamilton is not a strong running team so beefing up the middle also doesn't seem practical at this point?
Figured Sterns would be close to coming back and the injury to Wheatfall adds weight to needing to do that.
Only 5 games left Woods can't be picky, it's time to perform, now or never. Probably related to Griffin being out, they might switch Cam Allen out for Kramdi as he needs to be told who to cover on every play and Bo could have a field day exploiting his inexperience.
Is Parker preacticing?
So, Zach getting 100% of snaps? Any snaps taken by CS17 or Wilson?
Resting Zach though the bye just makes so much sense, but if Zach wants to play, Zach plays, even if he's not 100% and likely to re-injure.
Perfect opportunity to give Wilson a game, and see what he's got, and then make a decision for the stretch run.
But that would make far too much sense.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 23, 2025, 07:21:37 PMOnly 5 games left Woods can't be picky, it's time to perform, now or never. Probably related to Griffin being out, they might switch Cam Allen out for Kramdi as he needs to be told who to cover on every play and Bo could have a field day exploiting his inexperience.
You mean the safety that had 2 pics in the last game and played very well after the 1st series. I don't think he's coming off. The argument has been to take Ayers off but he had a forced fumble recovery that led to points.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2025, 08:26:05 PMYou mean the safety that had 2 pics in the last game and played very well after the 1st series. I don't think he's coming off. The argument has been to take Ayers off but he had a forced fumble recovery that led to points.
Yes that Safety, good that he can catch balls thrown directly to him, but he gave up a couple of big passes early on and was victimized on their first TD. Also admitted post-game he goes where he's told to go, in a must win game that could become a liability. Purge all rookies from the secondary and stash him away for another day, 2 steps forward 1 step back, he's got a bright future but still has much to learn.
If Zach is cleared to play ( which seems likely ) you play him.
No sense sitting him if he's healthy enough to play.
I hope he's okay.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 23, 2025, 08:23:25 PMSo, Zach getting 100% of snaps? Any snaps taken by CS17 or Wilson?
Resting Zach though the bye just makes so much sense, but if Zach wants to play, Zach plays, even if he's not 100% and likely to re-injure.
Perfect opportunity to give Wilson a game, and see what he's got, and then make a decision for the stretch run.
But that would make far too much sense.
Bombers are in the fight of their life to make the playoffs, Zach had his allotted rest time, it's now or never, guns are loaded, full-speed ahead. Watch out for those rocks!
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Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2025, 08:26:05 PMYou mean the safety that had 2 pics in the last game and played very well after the 1st series. I don't think he's coming off. The argument has been to take Ayers off but he had a forced fumble recovery that led to points.
Ayers ain't coming off, been suggested all season. He is a gamer.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 23, 2025, 08:23:25 PMSo, Zach getting 100% of snaps? Any snaps taken by CS17 or Wilson?
Resting Zach though the bye just makes so much sense, but if Zach wants to play, Zach plays, even if he's not 100% and likely to re-injure.
Perfect opportunity to give Wilson a game, and see what he's got, and then make a decision for the stretch run.
But that would make far too much sense.
Hard stop no on starting Wilson.
No Parker worries me.
Sprinkle in Wilson if Strev has to start.
Quote from: Pete on September 23, 2025, 07:26:21 PMIs Parker preacticing?
No
Allen > Kramdi at safety but we drop Kramdi back and Kramdi runs the show on D as he is so smart. Lock this guy down for life. A rare talent.
No Griffin is a big deal.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 23, 2025, 06:54:39 PMI want Woods, give me Woods
But who comes out?
likely parker since hes injured and Lawson jr is on roster
Quote from: Pete on September 23, 2025, 10:16:08 PMlikely parker since hes injured and Lawson jr is on roster
He might still play imo but good point
Zach should not play if he isn't 100% and likely to be re-injured. This isn't an ankle injury we're talking about, its a head injury, from a guy who's had tons of them. This is serious. I don't want a guy to compromise his cognitive ability down the road for a 'maybe' win that may not matter in 2 weeks time. It took a miracle to beat lowly Ottawa, with Zach we stand a better chance of beating Hamilton, but I just don't see us keeping up with Smith, White and Lawler and BLM vs our injured secondary. Ain't worth it for Zach 's health
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 23, 2025, 10:04:26 PMAyers ain't coming off, been suggested all season. He is a gamer.
Hard stop no on starting Wilson.
No Parker worries me.
Sprinkle in Wilson if Strev has to start.No
Allen > Kramdi at safety but we drop Kramdi back and Kramdi runs the show on D as he is so smart. Lock this guy down for life. A rare talent.
No Griffin is a big deal.
Bomber defended 6O plays on defence. Winnipeg punted 8 times and had 4 K/O's.
You really think Ayers and his 12 plays would be more significant than a DT that might see 30-40 plays on defence? Noting that you want to see Woods?
I don't know if the team has given up on Woods and Adams, but the math says adding a DT would have more impact than any ST coverage player.
Even as an opinion that looks outside the logic of choices. That said, for whatever reason that's the decision the Bombers have made. Most of us don't understand it and the only thing that comes to mind is that Woods and Adams are failures. In any normal circumstance that would be the trade off.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2025, 10:41:32 PMBomber defended 6O plays on defence. Winnipeg punted 8 times and had 4 K/O's.
You really think Ayers and his 12 plays would be more significant than a DT that might see 30-40 plays on defence? Noting that you want to see Woods?
I don't know if the team has given up on Woods and Adams, but the math says adding a DT would have more impact than any ST coverage player.
Doesn't matter who I want to come on or off but history and gut tells me Ayers ain't leaving the AR. Yes I want Woods on. No I wouldn't trade him for Ayers.
Quote from: dd on September 23, 2025, 10:25:51 PMZach should not play if he isn't 100% and likely to be re-injured. This isn't an ankle injury we're talking about, its a head injury, from a guy who's had tons of them. This is serious. I don't want a guy to compromise his cognitive ability down the road for a 'maybe' win that may not matter in 2 weeks time. It took a miracle to beat lowly Ottawa, with Zach we stand a better chance of beating Hamilton, but I just don't see us keeping up with Smith, White and Lawler and BLM vs our injured secondary. Ain't worth it for Zach 's health
Assuming he's not retiring tomorrow, there's no reason not to play him if he's cleared the concussion protocol.
Play him if cleared. It's a home game. Revenge match. We have a decent chance. They have just 2 wins more than us.
If Zach plays I believe we will see the best two deep ball vet slingers go toe to toe
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 24, 2025, 12:09:11 AMIf Zach plays I believe we will see the best two deep ball vet slingers go toe to toe
That's if our OL can hold up. The protection up front is not good.
Quote from: Jesse on September 23, 2025, 11:45:22 PMAssuming he's not retiring tomorrow, there's no reason not to play him if he's cleared the concussion protocol.
It was posted play him even if he isn't 100%, which to me means he hasn't cleared concussion protocol. No clearance, no play.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 23, 2025, 10:43:05 PMDoesn't matter who I want to come on or off but history and gut tells me Ayers ain't leaving the AR. Yes I want Woods on. No I wouldn't trade him for Ayers.
You should and most of us think we'd be better with adding either Woods or Adams. I gave you the math and logic. You seem to see " Rudy " for the underdogs. What we can't figure out is why the coaches make this choice. He's not the best cover player even on the Bombers and he's not a Canadian.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 24, 2025, 01:12:14 AMYou should and most of us think we'd be better with adding either Woods or Adams. I gave you the math and logic. You seem to see " Rudy " for the underdogs. What we can't figure out is why the coaches make this choice. He's not the best cover player even on the Bombers and he's not a Canadian.
I should think for myself and my opinion isn't based on the what the herd or you would do. Ayers is not a Rudy and that's not fair, accurate or needed to call him that. Ayers made a massive play last game. You don't take the hot, consistent hand out of the lineup imo. Close call but that's my take and have have stated yours. Let's move on, we are talking less about ball and more about opinions imo.
Pass on Adams. Woods for someone else (maybe). I don't know who else is an option.
Quote from: dd on September 23, 2025, 10:25:51 PMZach should not play if he isn't 100% and likely to be re-injured. This isn't an ankle injury we're talking about, its a head injury, from a guy who's had tons of them. This is serious. I don't want a guy to compromise his cognitive ability down the road for a 'maybe' win that may not matter in 2 weeks time. It took a miracle to beat lowly Ottawa, with Zach we stand a better chance of beating Hamilton, but I just don't see us keeping up with Smith, White and Lawler and BLM vs our injured secondary. Ain't worth it for Zach 's health
CTE damage has already been done, it doesn't heal and there is no cure, maybe it effects his long-term health badly, maybe it doesn't. Listen to Zach's interview today, it's his football career and his choice, O'Shea isn't forcing him to dress or to retire, he's choosing his own path. That being said it's obviously time for the Bombers to re-calibrate for next season, as his lost game time is having a negative effect on their record.
My expectation would be Zach to groom someone next year.
Officially (today)...
Vanterpool
Logan
Collaros
Sterns
Hallety
All participated in a full practice.
Wheatfall
Parker
Griffin
Did not practice.
Quote from: ModAdmin on September 24, 2025, 03:14:58 AMOfficially (today)...
Vanterpool
Logan
Hard to see how we get either of these 2 on the AR because of the ratio. If we do one, it'll be Vant.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 24, 2025, 01:25:26 AMI should think for myself and my opinion isn't based on the what the herd or you would do. Ayers is not a Rudy and that's not fair, accurate or needed to call him that. Ayers made a massive play last game. You don't take the hot, consistent hand out of the lineup imo. Close call but that's my take and have have stated yours. Let's move on, we are talking less about ball and more about opinions imo.
Pass on Adams. Woods for someone else (maybe). I don't know who else is an option.
I explained the value of a starter or heavily rotated player over an ST player. The math speaks for itself. We know he made a good play in the last game. How many good plays do you expect from a starting DL?
My comments about him are fair. He has value but he is not more valuable than taking out Person or Woodbey for example.
It has nothing to do with being part of the herd. It is a Rudy complex similar to some always cheering for the # 2 QB.
I've explained that it's odd about why O'Shea has benched both Woods and Adams. I have no idea who is better.
OTOH you " want " Woods and have mentioned that repeatedly. You may be right or you may be totally wrong since you haven't explained the logic of choosing him over Adams. Maybe you go to practices and see an advantage.
If not then it's similar to your desire to retain Ayers on the AR at all costs. The rest of us see a greater benefit of having another interior DL in the overall picture to rotate players. If Schmekel was healthy we'd have a different argument possibly.
This is true almost regardless of the skill level of either Adams or Woods. Both have played and made great plays in the past.
Yes you are entitled to your opinion. It's interesting that you challenge me having my opinions or those of others that don't agree with your opinion.
Sounds like ZC8 will probably start on Saturday, However, I would like to see a couple of heavy run packages for Strev, with odd pass.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 24, 2025, 02:00:37 PMI've explained that it's odd about why O'Shea has benched both Woods and Adams. I have no idea who is better.
Maybe it's because adding in just 1 of Woods or Adams doesn't buy us anything. Adams being in earlier in the season didn't really help the DL. I doubt Woods would either. I think you need BOTH Woods & Adams starting, and the ratio makes that impossible.
So we don't start either and instead do our "max coverage" schtick. And I don't see how we can change that at all this season.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 24, 2025, 02:04:41 PMSounds like ZC8 will probably start on Saturday, However, I would like to see a couple of heavy run packages for Strev, with odd pass.
Yes we're going to need to have Brady involved in both run and passing game. Our receiving group has taken another hit even if we get Sterns back. I'm not too concerned about him or Collaros a bit rusty but it's another change to deal with this week.
I'm not sure about using Strev at times beyond SY. An odd pass as a back up when he only threw 8 in the last game? That would be odd and not expected by their defence on SY plays. lol
There is more uncertainty on defence with Parker likely out as well as Griffin.
Woods or Adams for Parker
I look at the DL stats and it's not good.
Adams: 10 Games 9 DTs, 2 sacks.
Jake: 14 Games 9 DTs, 0 sacks.
Korn: 9 Games 3 DTs, 0 Sacks.
Person: 10 Games 2 DTs.
Woods might inject a little live into this DL.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 24, 2025, 02:12:22 PMMaybe it's because adding in just 1 of Woods or Adams doesn't buy us anything. Adams being in earlier in the season didn't really help the DL. I doubt Woods would either. I think you need BOTH Woods & Adams starting, and the ratio makes that impossible.
So we don't start either and instead do our "max coverage" schtick. And I don't see how we can change that at all this season.
That's the thing, it's only a ratio issue because we choose other imports as DI's. It's not because we're only starting 7 Canadians. I don't buy that only adding 1 doesn't add benefit but that's really hard to assess. IIRC we have had both on the AR a few times last year using 1 as a starter and one as a DI.
We're only rotating 3 true interior DL. At times we are more 34 defences or use a 4 man front with 3 DE types.
The max coverage last week gave up 400 yards ( 73.3% completion ) and 2 TD's although they had 2 critical picks.
Against the TiCats we gave up less yardage but 75% completion and 2 TD's but no picks. We lost and are this weeks opponent again. We also gave up 163 yards rushing against them.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 24, 2025, 02:23:48 PMI look at the DL stats and it's not good.
Adams: 10 Games 9 DTs, 2 sacks.
Jake: 14 Games 9 DTs, 0 sacks.
Korn: 9 Games 3 DTs, 0 Sacks.
Person: 10 Games 2 DTs.
Woods might inject a little live into this DL.
He might. He seemed more productive than Adams in 2024. I can't explain why Adams got to play in 10 games when Woods appeared to be a healthy choice at times. Now both are benched.
I'm neither for or against one over the other but think it's a mistake that we don't have one on the roster. At this point I might be inclined to bump Person for a few games. He's still in year 1 and in adapting mode. I had pointed out that we gave up 163 yards to the TiCats in the 1st game.
Another poster suggested we could add a DT if Parker can't play this week. That's a reasonable idea and a choice between him or Vanterpool.
Actually I might think adding J.Jones over Person isn't a bad idea. That could still happen with the 1st option caused by losing Parker.
Not many healthy bodies to choose from on IR or PR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 24, 2025, 02:00:37 PMI explained the value of a starter or heavily rotated player over an ST player. The math speaks for itself. We know he made a good play in the last game. How many good plays do you expect from a starting DL?
My comments about him are fair. He has value but he is not more valuable than taking out Person or Woodbey for example.
It has nothing to do with being part of the herd. It is a Rudy complex similar to some always cheering for the # 2 QB.
I've explained that it's odd about why O'Shea has benched both Woods and Adams. I have no idea who is better.
OTOH you " want " Woods and have mentioned that repeatedly. You may be right or you may be totally wrong since you haven't explained the logic of choosing him over Adams. Maybe you go to practices and see an advantage.
If not then it's similar to your desire to retain Ayers on the AR at all costs. The rest of us see a greater benefit of having another interior DL in the overall picture to rotate players. If Schmekel was healthy we'd have a different argument possibly.
This is true almost regardless of the skill level of either Adams or Woods. Both have played and made great plays in the past.
Yes you are entitled to your opinion. It's interesting that you challenge me having my opinions or those of others that don't agree with your opinion.
I challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think. You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo. I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams. That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.
Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate.
I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it. Maybe there is another option.
Again don't care what the rest of us think. And you are generalizing the forum opinion. The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold no weight imo. You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd. You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.
I have and often will go against the herd. There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.
I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays. Would rotate and might pop who knows.
I value your opinion and you have made some good points. This is a really close call.
MOS values ST players and so do I. Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes. I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods. One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.
I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo. No room for that this year.
We both said our piece, let's move on please.
Ive not understood the Ayers situation all year. I get Younger likes to use a three man front more than any other team in the league,
Also our use of dts is basically to plug up the middle.
However having Woods and/or Adams gives us more options
If a qb like BLM or Arbuckle is picking us apart, and their blocking scheme is giving them too much time he needs to change it up
If its a quality issue then bring in someone else.
Quote from: Pete on September 24, 2025, 04:16:08 PMIve not understood the Ayers situation all year. I get Younger likes to use a three man front more than any other team in the league,
Also our use of dts is basically to plug up the middle.
However having Woods and/or Adams gives us more options
If a qb like BLM or Arbuckle is picking us apart, and their blocking scheme is giving them too much time he needs to change it up
If its a quality issue then bring in someone else.
Never know, Ayers could be a Mike Miller request every game, I don't know if he has a say in the game day roster or just has to work with whatever scraps they have left over.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 24, 2025, 04:35:57 PMNever know, Ayers could be a Mike Miller request every game, I don't know if he has a say in the game day roster or just has to work with whatever scraps they have left over.
Regardless he is on because he is a demon on teams imo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 24, 2025, 03:47:01 PMI challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think. You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo. I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams. That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.
Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate.
I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it. Maybe there is another option.
Again don't care what the rest of us think. And you are generalizing the forum opinion. The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold no weight imo. You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd. You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.
I have and often will go against the herd. There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.
I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays. Would rotate and might pop who knows.
I value your opinion and you have made some good points. This is a really close call.
MOS values ST players and so do I. Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes. I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods. One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.
I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo. No room for that this year.
We both said our piece, let's move on please.
There are so many things wrong with your post it's not worth debating further. We'll see if our DL gives up another 100+ yards rushing and what benefit Ayers adds. I've said I like Ayers but he is not really versatile. He doesn't get reps on defence any longer and only plays on ST's. The less often we punt the less often we need to cover returners.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 24, 2025, 03:47:01 PMI challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think. You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo. I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams. That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.
Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate.
I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it. Maybe there is another option.
Again don't care what the rest of us think. And you are generalizing the forum opinion. The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold no weight imo. You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd. You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.
I have and often will go against the herd. There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.
I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays. Would rotate and might pop who knows.
I value your opinion and you have made some good points. This is a really close call.
MOS values ST players and so do I. Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes. I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods. One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.
I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo. No room for that this year.
We both said our piece, let's move on please.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 24, 2025, 03:47:01 PMI challenged you more strongly when you said how I "should" think. You have called for Ayers to come off all year and that isn't happening imo. I want Woods over Adams as I liked his game previous and we already got a peak at Adams. That's what this place is for, people can state their opinions and challenge each other. I believe Ayers bring versatility.
Calling Ayers Rudy isn't necessary, fair or accurate.
I don't think taking Ayers off for Woods is worth it. Maybe there is another option.
Again don't care what the rest of us think. And you are generalizing the forum opinion. The reference to it being similar to cheering for the #2 qb hold no weight imo. You have twice in a row now mentioned what others think and that's why I mentioned the herd. You claim it has nothing to do with it but make reference to it twice.
I have and often will go against the herd. There is value in the diversity of ones opinion on here.
I wouldn't expect Woods to have a massive impact or make that many plays. Would rotate and might pop who knows.
I value your opinion and you have made some good points. This is a really close call.
MOS values ST players and so do I. Adams feel victim to the #s game, performance based and also due to Person showing flashes. I like you am not sure who is better Adam or Woods. One poster early in the season had a good comparison and said one was better against the run, can't remember which one or who said it lol.
I'm with Techno, for Adams and Woods to have impact you need the combo imo. No room for that this year.
We both said our piece, let's move on please.
You need to stop your efforts to curtail discussion here.
It's looking pretty certain that Parker and Griffin will both be out this week. Wheatfall is certainly going to be out.
Roster on the AR will change as a result. TBD how we choose to deal with losing Parker. Sterns for Wheatfall is an obvious choice.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on September 24, 2025, 09:21:15 PMIt's looking pretty certain that Parker and Griffin will both be out this week. Wheatfall is certainly going to be out.
Roster on the AR will change as a result. TBD how we choose to deal with losing Parker. Sterns for Wheatfall is an obvious choice.
Lawson for Parker and add another DB or LB? Not sure who that would be. Hallett?
I don't want Kramdi playing back but is good at that on occasion. Hopefully Sterns is well enough to play and not risk reinjurying.
Oh yeah. I guess there's a game on Saturday.
Quote from: Jesse on September 24, 2025, 11:10:33 PMOh yeah. I guess there's a game on Saturday.
There's a sense of gloom for me, for the rest of this season.
I'm looking forward to having Collaros back at QB. Weather looks great also. Glass half full...
Going to be a fantastic game with a couple talented teams going toe to toe. Classic CFL ball, will be some serious points scored.
Wheatie listed as HEAD. Interesting. So the concussion did him in, not the ribs. Maybe they are only lightly bruised.
This is actually very good news. He'll probably be back in 2 weeks if it's just "head". Giving him the week off into the bye is a good idea.
Quote from: Jesse on September 24, 2025, 11:10:33 PMOh yeah. I guess there's a game on Saturday.
I wonder how many signs about Johnston there will be. I've thought of a few... I know there will probably be a lot more chatter amongst my all-STH section this week.
And in Oct, how many balding Johnston masks/costumes will we see?
Gonna be an interesting end to the season! Can't wait to hear the boos for Commish when he steps on PAS turf in the GC...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 25, 2025, 04:54:40 AMI wonder how many signs about Johnston there will be. I've thought of a few... I know there will probably be a lot more chatter amongst my all-STH section this week.
And in Oct, how many balding Johnston masks/costumes will we see?
Gonna be an interesting end to the season! Can't wait to hear the boos for Commish when he steps on PAS turf in the GC...
make sure you boo Wade Miller, if you really want to correctly direct your angst here is the list of the CFL BOG:
https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025-CFL-Guide-Final.pdf
on Page 2.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 25, 2025, 01:08:47 PMmake sure you boo Wade Miller, if you really want to correctly direct your angst here is the list of the CFL BOG:
WM gets a mulligan. A few in fact. Because he's earned it from us fans for all he's done for WFC, Mafia, and bringing us those cups. (And who knows how much the WFC board of governors, his ultimate bosses, coerced him into his stance.)
Johnston gets no such leeway. He's been in place 5 months. I think many other fans will be able to make the distinction, too.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 25, 2025, 04:54:40 AMI wonder how many signs about Johnston there will be.
I wonder how many will be shown on tv. Probably none or maybe one or two for them to ridicule and belittle.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 25, 2025, 02:46:04 PMWM gets a mulligan. A few in fact. Because he's earned it from us fans for all he's done for WFC, Mafia, and bringing us those cups. (And who knows how much the WFC board of governors, his ultimate bosses, coerced him into his stance.)
Johnston gets no such leeway. He's been in place 5 months. I think many other fans will be able to make the distinction, too.
Oh NO! Do not copy NFL fans who boo Roger Goodell everywhere and every time! That's so AMERICAN! That guy can't even announce a single NFL draft pick without being bood even if it's the 31st time he's been to the mic that evening.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 24, 2025, 10:45:13 PMLawson for Parker and add another DB or LB? Not sure who that would be. Hallett?
I don't want Kramdi playing back but is good at that on occasion. Hopefully Sterns is well enough to play and not risk reinjurying.
Lawson will be back to starting but he was already on the PR. We have a new DB on the PR in Texada but we already have Vaval as depth if needed.
Our choices will be one of J.Jones, Vanterpool, Adams or Woods IMO. One of them would be more valuable than adding Logan or Echols. That said, with changes / injuries at receiver maybe they do choose to add Echols.
Wilson was nicked and Sterns may not be 100%.
Since Hallett is a Canadian he might be added and could replace Kelly again? Not sure there is much difference between the two other than Kelly may be part of 2026 and Hallett might not.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 25, 2025, 04:52:48 AMWheatie listed as HEAD. Interesting. So the concussion did him in, not the ribs. Maybe they are only lightly bruised.
This is actually very good news. He'll probably be back in 2 weeks if it's just "head". Giving him the week off into the bye is a good idea.
Interesting. I guess maybe a bit of whiplash happened. I'm not sure if he had a concussion issue but anything is possible. When he went off he was holding his arm which made me think ribs or arm injury.
Since added Wilson it won't be as easy to regain his role on the AR. Sterns is back and it will shift how the receivers are used somewhat.
Whether this is a better, worse or equal combination we'll see starting this week. It's possible we could switch to 4 import receivers as an option if each is healthy.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 25, 2025, 03:18:08 PMLawson will be back to starting but he was already on the PR. We have a new DB on the PR in Texada but we already have Vaval as depth if needed.
Our choices will be one of J.Jones, Vanterpool, Adams or Woods IMO. One of them would be more valuable than adding Logan or Echols. That said, with changes / injuries at receiver maybe they do choose to add Echols.
Wilson was nicked and Sterns may not be 100%.
Since Hallett is a Canadian he might be added and could replace Kelly again? Not sure there is much difference between the two other than Kelly may be part of 2026 and Hallett might not.
Good points, forgot we got Vaval as backup DB!
I vote for Vanterpool
Kelly stays imo
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 25, 2025, 03:22:26 PMInteresting. I guess maybe a bit of whiplash happened. I'm not sure if he had a concussion issue but anything is possible. When he went off he was holding his arm which made me think ribs or arm injury.
Since added Wilson it won't be as easy to regain his role on the AR. Sterns is back and it will shift how the receivers are used somewhat.
Whether this is a better, worse or equal combination we'll see starting this week. It's possible we could switch to 4 import receivers as an option if each is healthy.
I thought you were convinced Dillon Mitchell was done? Sterns should resume his role at SB this week with Mitchell moving out to WR. I think Wheatfall will replace Mitchell once he returns as he's been more productive this season and has paid the price to start. Unless more injuries happen, unlikely Echols moves beyond the PR this season, where they stash Mitchell remains to be seen.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 25, 2025, 06:19:01 PMI thought you were convinced Dillon Mitchell was done? Sterns should resume his role at SB this week with Mitchell moving out to WR. I think Wheatfall will replace Mitchell once he returns as he's been more productive this season and has paid the price to start. Unless more injuries happen, unlikely Echols moves beyond the PR this season, where they stash Mitchell remains to be seen.
It's not like we have a lot of other choices. O'Shea doesn't like to rock the boat and make changes. Mitchell has played 7 games and has 126 yards in total. I don't think he's been that effective blocking. Can he be more productive as a WR?
Let's see how he does this game and whether he can at least stretch the defence to get other receivers open?
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 25, 2025, 04:33:56 PMGood points, forgot we got Vaval as backup DB!
I vote for Vanterpool
Kelly stays imo
I can't understand why they've made the choices they've made in other weeks. So I have no idea what happens this week aside from injured players returning to the AR.
Whatever they do we'll see the reaction post game depending on hos things work out.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 25, 2025, 04:33:56 PMGood points, forgot we got Vaval as backup DB!
I vote for Vanterpool
Kelly stays imo
The problem is that how we fill the role Griffin filled, now more complicated also losing Parker. Is there some version of this still in the game plan and does that mean Vaval plays many reps on defence?
In theory he could take some reps back at CB with Lawson taking on the Griffin role.
Didn't really want Vaval back on double duty and Lawson seemed to be a better CB at the moment.
That makes a small argument to add Texada but I have no idea how they planned on using him before and how ready he is with the game plan or strategies. I don't see him as a high choice to add but injuries force things we don't expect.
Does one of Smith or Shay see some actual defensive reps?
How did we adjust last week with Griffin out?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 25, 2025, 07:07:49 PMThe problem is that how we fill the role Griffin filled, now more complicated also losing Parker. Is there some version of this still in the game plan and does that mean Vaval plays many reps on defence?
In theory he could take some reps back at CB with Lawson taking on the Griffin role.
Didn't really want Vaval back on double duty and Lawson seemed to be a better CB at the moment.
That makes a small argument to add Texada but I have no idea how they planned on using him before and how ready he is with the game plan or strategies. I don't see him as a high choice to add but injuries force things we don't expect.
Does one of Smith or Shay see some actual defensive reps?
How did we adjust last week with Griffin out?
I didn't notice last week if Shay or Smith got reps
I didn't notice who took some of Griffins reps
Make a good pt for another Db who would also take heat off Vaval
Agree Lawson > Vaval
Another exciting week or roster decisions
Likely to see Vaval sprinkled in and a little more reps for LBs
Regarding Booing the comish, hell yes. Regrading signs, YAS please.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 25, 2025, 07:09:55 PMI didn't notice last week if Shay or Smith got reps
I didn't notice who took some of Griffins reps
Make a good pt for another Db who would also take heat off Vaval
Agree Lawson > Vaval
Another exciting week or roster decisions
Likely to see Vaval sprinkled in and a little more reps for LBs
Regarding Booing the comish, hell yes. Regrading signs, YAS please.
Griffin plays SLB, Kramdi and Smith are listed on the depth chart at that position but I believe Ayers would also be able to fill in there, so plenty of options available.
September 25th Injury Report shows...
Participating in a full practice...
Vanterpool
Logan
Collaros
Sterns
Hallett (but listed as Questionable.
Those who did not practice...
Wheatfall
Parker
Griffin
For our offence ti be successful we should take.some things from other teams
1, get it the line earlier and vary the count, right now we line up mainly 5 seconds left and the opposing dline just tees off. This also would give Zac more time to identify blitzes (ala Ottawa)
2 More rpos (ala Edmonton)
3 More big sets, yes Ham may respond with more in the box, but varying our protection schemes helps (ala Hamilton,)
4 Have receivers go,then comeback to ball to help Zac (ala BC Mcinnis and Hatcher)
5 Do an occasional pump fake,tired of defenders beating us to the ball (Sask Harris is best at this)
Hogans offence is way too predictable, and if hes not great at creating schemes steal some!
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Ticats
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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 25, 2025, 07:59:47 PMGriffin plays SLB, Kramdi and Smith are listed on the depth chart at that position but I believe Ayers would also be able to fill in there, so plenty of options available.
I know where they listed them on the depth chart. That's paper work. Kramdi was the starter but has also played at safety in some defensive sets. Has Smith taken even 1 rep in a game at SAM? He may be part of the future plan but is he a choice this week or this year to see some duty there?
Has Ayers ever played that role in Winnipeg even during TC or pre-season? I haven't heard that and expected him to be more of a player suited to WIL. That's where he got some reps / starts in 2024.
He might be a fit but it's an unknown. We don't really know how soon either Griffin or Parker will be back if at all during the regular season.
At least Lawson has been a CB or DB in the CFL. That would be the expectation but now I'd expect hims back at CB.
Artopoeus, Person and Kornelson moved to the practice roster.
Woods moved to the active roster.
Quote from: gobombersgo on September 25, 2025, 11:02:44 PMArtopoeus, Person and Kornelson moved to the practice roster.
Woods moved to the active roster.
I wasn't expecting two DL to PR but I'm pumped for Woods, he will be hungry but rusty.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 25, 2025, 11:10:47 PMI wasn't expecting two DL to PR but I'm pumped for Woods, he will be hungry but rusty.
Still more changes to come.
Maybe Munie-Bailey gets added to the roster.
Quote from: gobombersgo on Today at 12:07:29 AMStill more changes to come.
Maybe Munie-Bailey gets added to the roster.
Possibly but why wouldn't they have moved him from the PR at the same time as Woods?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 25, 2025, 06:41:26 PMI can't understand why they've made the choices they've made in other weeks. So I have no idea what happens this week aside from injured players returning to the AR.
Yes, this is a very strange, unpredictable season. It might have something to do with us being, well, bad. So they are still trying to figure things out by trying out different guys and combos of guys? I'm not sure we'll ever figure it out before the post-season. It would be nice if they could stumble upon the magic package.
Quote from: Pete on September 25, 2025, 09:38:48 PMFor our offence ti be successful we should take.some things from other teams
1, get it the line earlier and vary the count, right now we line up mainly 5 seconds left and the opposing dline just tees off. This also would give Zac more time to identify blitzes (ala Ottawa)
Except we do that intentionally to make sure we bleed max clock when we're close or in the lead. That is always priority #1. Not saying it's correct, but that's what we do.
Harder to bleed max clock if we're playing pre-snap games like fake waggles.
Quote from: Pete on September 25, 2025, 09:38:48 PM4 Have receivers go,then comeback to ball to help Zac (ala BC Mcinnis and Hatcher)
Yes, clearly required, but that requires more OL pass pro time. To be blunt we don't have any time really ever. Doesn't matter what the protection scheme or how many the team B brings. We can't buy Zach/Strev that extra .75 sec to have the REC get 5 more Y depth for a come-back route.
This is a huge part of the reason we can't do squat in the short game and every cheats up on us.
Quote from: Pete on September 25, 2025, 09:38:48 PM5 Do an occasional pump fake,tired of defenders beating us to the ball (Sask Harris is best at this)
Hogans offence is way too predictable, and if hes not great at creating schemes steal some!
Yes, Trevor & MBT have done a lot of pump or head or lean or turn fakes this season and half the time it results in a REC being wide open for huge gain. Again, though, you need pass pro time to do this. But I do think we could sneak in some super quick fakes even with our crap protection time constraints.
My hunch is Zach has never really done it and it throws off his timing & feel. It may be too hard for the old dog to learn this new trick.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 08:17:41 AMYes, this is a very strange, unpredictable season. It might have something to do with us being, well, bad. So they are still trying to figure things out by trying out different guys and combos of guys? I'm not sure we'll ever figure it out before the post-season. It would be nice if they could stumble upon the magic package.
Makes sense. Looking for a better combination and changing things up. The roster hasn't been updated except for Artopoleous being moved to PR. The other moves still show on the AR.
The entire process of when and who moves never happens in an orderly way IMO. Well, we'll see what the official depth chart looks like and I'd expect we might still see a GTD on Parker for example.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 08:47:49 AMExcept we do that intentionally to make sure we bleed max clock when we're close or in the lead. That is always priority #1. Not saying it's correct, but that's what we do.
Harder to bleed max clock if we're playing pre-snap games like fake waggles
I get that,near end of the game, but priority should be protect Zac and good things will happen. If you can throw defence off their rhythm it could help. Weve all seen result with current protection
(And its not the games its the better opportunity to read defence and make adjustments as well as if theres consistently only 3 seconds to snap the dline can time up their rush Again this is just one of s number of options to give Zac time
Ed Tait:
The @Wpg_BlueBombers depth chart for tomorrow features four changes from last week. On are QB Zach Collaros, WR Jerreth Sterns, DT Jamal Woods and DB Nick Hallett. Off are QB Chase Artopoeus, DT Collin Kornelson, WR Keric Wheatfall and DB Jamal Parker, Jr.
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Wheatfall and Parker only on 1 game IR. That's encouraging that they may return before the end of the season. Wheatfall in particular looked to be a player headed to 6 game IR after that collision.
Well, Woods is finally going to get his chance to show he should be in the line up. Ayers back as expected. I was hoping to finally get a look at Bailey.
Quote from: Pigskin on Today at 03:19:06 PMWell, Woods is finally going to get his chance to show he should be in the line up. Ayers back as expected. I was hoping to finally get a look at Bailey.
Yes in particular because with Person off we've reduced our depth at DE. It would have been such an easy addition with Bailey instead of Hallett as the 2nd global on the AR.
EDIT: Whoa back up the wagon. Person is still shown on the AR even though transaction showed him moved to PR earlier?? It doesn't change the issue about Bailey who might have been more beneficial than Hallett.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 03:24:01 PMYes in particular because with Person off we've reduced our depth at DE. It would have been such an easy addition with Bailey instead of Hallett as the 2nd global on the AR.
EDIT: Whoa back up the wagon. Person is still shown on the AR even though transaction showed him moved to PR earlier?? It doesn't change the issue about Bailey who might have been more beneficial than Hallett.
LOL Trying to anticipate the roster moves has become a hopeless pursuit, according to the transactions list Person is still on the PR. The co-ordination between the roster, the depth chart and the CFL transaction list has become a joke. I'd like to blame Genius Sports but don't know if it's their fault.
It's going to be really interesting to see which version of Zach we get, seems to me he has not had an outstanding game this season and not expecting one against the Ti-Cats. It's time to establish a strong 3 team effort coming from the Ottawa win, that can control the ball without turnovers and grind out wins. Any thing's possible.
Quote from: Pete on Today at 01:59:45 PMI get that,near end of the game, but priority should be protect Zac and good things will happen. If you can throw defence off their rhythm it could help. Weve all seen result with current protection
You're misreading me then. We do max clock bleed ALL GAME EVERY GAME (not just at the end) when we are ahead or it's close (1 score). It's part of the MOS M.O. for many years now.
I totally agree we should do more of the quicker-huddle-break fake-waggle D-reads hard-counts type things. And I know we can because on my WPG@OTT rewatch Strev was doing those things a few times. One of them is when Brady went and busted one for 20Y after Strev changed things up with an audible.
But they do take away focus from the clock bleed. And Zach doesn't seem to do them as much. (Though he often tries the hard count.)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on Today at 04:39:14 PMIt's going to be really interesting to see which version of Zach we get, seems to me he has not had an outstanding game this season
I think Zach, and the whole O, know it's time to turn it ON. Dawdling all season with their fingers up their noses. Gotta produce
now.
As expected Hallett comes on. Makes sense extra DB. Excited for Woods, time to eat my friend.
OL needs to play well. Play calling has to be better. Zach slinging and BBB. Excited. Weather is mint. Bad conditions would have favored us imo.
I would put Wilson in for 2nd and short, maybe a deep shot? Use Strev 3rd and short. Give Wilson a taste. 0% chance lol.
Zach lives and dies by the play of the OL. Success of BBB 2nd biggest factor.