Moan groan "Strevy sucks", "Get Wilson in", "Go with the Greek kid!"...
Strevy has won 3 of 4 games for us that he started this season: @OTT, TOR, BC. The only loss was @HAM.
I always say/said Strev will win you at least .500. Ya, so he has. I do believe this makes him more of a winner than Zach has been this season, eh?
THAT is the stat MOS & co are looking at. THAT is why Strev will start (and probably finish) every game Zach is bell-rung for.
Not that I don't want to see Wilson in some garbage time series, but I think this should put to rest all the anti-Strev hate. And no, I'm not the "Strevy" forum member reborn. I still start Zach over Strevy every day of the week. But if Zach is down, it's Strev time.
He may not be "good" and his wins aren't "pretty", but he is doing what a backup should do: keep you in the game and win you more than half.
Such a ridiculous argument.
2 of his wins have taken return TDs and multiple defensive plays.
For most of the game yesterday he had completed as many passes to Ottawa as he had to his receivers.
He was actively dragging the team down.
A guy who has averaged 173 yards passing with 4 tds to 7 ints in his starts is lucky to be 3-1.
Wilson is the short yardage guy... that's pretty clear. Nobody expects the short yardage guy on the other CFL teams to be the next starter. The guy in Montreal has done nothing else for almost his entire career.
Disappointment aside, and Speaking generally, When you consider the situation across the CFL, and even the NFL as far as who is on rosters at quarterback,(starting, and backups) it's hard to criticize the Bombers, whatever they have done, and will do. Who they've found, who they missed.
It's the hardest job in team sports, there are not many that do it well.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 07:07:59 AMMoan groan "Strevy sucks", "Get Wilson in", "Go with the Greek kid!"...
Strevy has won 3 of 4 games for us that he started this season: @OTT, TOR, BC. The only loss was @HAM.
I always say/said Strev will win you at least .500. Ya, so he has. I do believe this makes him more of a winner than Zach has been this season, eh?
THAT is the stat MOS & co are looking at. THAT is why Strev will start (and probably finish) every game Zach is bell-rung for.
Not that I don't want to see Wilson in some garbage time series, but I think this should put to rest all the anti-Strev hate. And no, I'm not the "Strevy" forum member reborn. I still start Zach over Strevy every day of the week. But if Zach is down, it's Strev time.
He may not be "good" and his wins aren't "pretty", but he is doing what a backup should do: keep you in the game and win you more than half.
I agree with everything here. Folks need someone to pile on and right now it's Strev. Yup the record shows that even while struggling he has been able to win games for us, which is all you need of your backup.
Quote from: Jesse on Today at 01:10:42 PMSuch a ridiculous argument.
2 of his wins have taken return TDs and multiple defensive plays.
For most of the game yesterday he had completed as many passes to Ottawa as he had to his receivers.
He was actively dragging the team down.
I don't think it's an ridiculous argument. I don't think he is dragging the team down.
Techno provided a reasonable take on the situation imo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on Today at 02:14:15 PMI agree with everything here. Folks need someone to pile on and right now it's Strev. Yup the record shows that even while struggling he has been able to win games for us, which is all you need of your backup. I don't think it's an ridiculous argument. I don't think he is dragging the team down.
Techno provided a reasonable take on the situation imo.
Absurd view. If 11 yards passing in the 1st half doesn't convince you then it's not worth debating.
Quote from: Blueforlife on Today at 02:14:15 PMTechno provided a reasonable take on the situation imo.
He didn't at all. He took one thing, the team win, and ignored all context that surround that win.
That is not the definition of reasonable.
that win is on the defence and ST and the fact ottawa is a terrible team coached. y dead man walking Dyce (who really should be fired tomorrow morning)
another quarter without a first down.
We beat a 4-9 team. Team effort, Strev played it safe and gutted out the win, protected the ball. It is the epitome of game manager albeit a one dimensional one. He deserves credit but we can't pretend winning like this can be a regular thing.
Wilson could have won this game as well, and maybe completed 4-5 passes. This will show as a win under Streveler, but much like against Toronto the D and STs brought home this victory. I remember 2019, but would love to forget 2025 as far as Strevelers performance goes.
Quote from: jdrattops on Today at 03:13:43 PMWilson could have won this game as well, and maybe completed 4-5 passes. This will show as a win under Streveler, but much like against Toronto the D and STs brought home this victory. I remember 2019, but would love to forget 2025 as far as Strevelers performance.
I like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many. That's the crux of Techno's thread imo.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 02:31:25 PMAbsurd view. If 11 yards passing in the 1st half doesn't convince you then it's not worth debating.
Techno and I are talking about his overall performance and record (not yesterday's match or performance). Nothing absurb about that. Strev has helped us win ball games. Ugly wins but wins none the less.
Just because one's view doesn't match the herds, doesn't make it absurd imo.
Quote from: The Zipp on Today at 03:10:14 PMthat win is on the defence and ST and the fact ottawa is a terrible team coached. y dead man walking Dyce (who really should be fired tomorrow morning)
another quarter without a first down.
Firing Dyce now is a terrible idea imo. The thread is about Strev in general and his record.
Quote from: Jesse on Today at 03:02:02 PMHe didn't at all. He took one thing, the team win, and ignored all context that surround that win.
That is not the definition of reasonable.
He did more than that. He provided his take on Strev, his record and what he has done all year. He isn't talking about one win. He is taking a overall view of his performance and the fact that Strev has and can win (more than half the games). That was a reasonable take.
Techno also touched on why Strev plays and finishes the game that Zach can't. I'll add that Strev'a durability is a factor. He has shown can stay healthy and play hurt. He can gut out terrible outing and bounce back. He isn't the answer at QB but he can also win you a game in a pinch, which is good enough for this season (if our leader can come back).
Strev wouldn't have a winning record against top teams but grinding wins against average and below helps salvage our season. We don't have an ideal QB situation but that's ok. It is what it is.
yeah we won games, and we won games as a team in 2019, all the way thru 2024. But every year it got harder. |If you don't fix what are obvious problems its not going to end well.
I put Streveler in that category.
As the stats have demonstrated and as pointed out, the performance was lacking, If we had a running back that never got more than 3 yards but we still won would you keep him? Or if a corner back was getting beat long consistently would Bridges still be here?
The need for another alternative is blatant, and the fact that in addition to Strev they seem to think Wilson is worse is an inditement on the team.
History doesn't win games. Present does.
What have you done for me lately, period.
Yes, 2019 was a banner year, and we won the cup with a bright new shiny Collaros backed up by an exuberant CS17 that knew no limitations.
CS17 has seen a lot of road since then, and it really, really feels to me like self doubt has crept in, second guessing and pulling throws seems to be the go to, not what a confident player does.
CS17 has a current track record that is abysmal, and without MOS wearing 2019 glasses, would have been cut long ago.
In my humble opinion.
Quote from: theaardvark on Today at 04:22:50 PMHistory doesn't win games. Present does.
What have you done for me lately, period.
Yes, 2019 was a banner year, and we won the cup with a bright new shiny Collaros backed up by an exuberant CS17 that knew no limitations.
CS17 has seen a lot of road since then, and it really, really feels to me like self doubt has crept in, second guessing and pulling throws seems to be the go to, not what a confident player does.
CS17 has a current track record that is abysmal, and without MOS wearing 2019 glasses, would have been cut long ago.
In my humble opinion.
What he did lately is win a game and has a winning record this season.
Quote from: Blueforlife on Today at 03:15:44 PMI like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many. That's the crux of Techno's thread imo.
Techno and I are talking about his overall performance and record (not yesterday's match or performance). Nothing absurb about that. Strev has helped us win ball games. Ugly wins but wins none the less.
Just because one's view doesn't match the herds, doesn't make it absurd imo.Firing Dyce now is a terrible idea imo. The thread is about Strev in general and his record.He did more than that. He provided his take on Strev, his record and what he has done all year. He isn't talking about one win. He is taking a overall view of his performance and the fact that Strev has and can win (more than half the games). That was a reasonable take.
Techno also touched on why Strev plays and finishes the game that Zach can't. I'll add that Strev'a durability is a factor. He has shown can stay healthy and play hurt. He can gut out terrible outing and bounce back. He isn't the answer at QB but he can also win you a game in a pinch, which is good enough for this season (if our leader can come back).
Strev wouldn't have a winning record against top teams but grinding wins against average and below helps salvage our season. We don't have an ideal QB situation but that's ok. It is what it is.
The absurdity is using the win / loss as a primary consideration of performance. Yesterday we won in spite of Streveler not because of him.
We've won games with Collaros where he wasn't why we won. Defence, ST's breaks in a game one way or the other determine the outcome. The performance of the opponent as well.
You both are taking a very narrow view of his overall performance. It's been bad whether we've won or lost.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 04:33:56 PMThe absurdity is using the win / loss as a primary consideration of performance. Yesterday we won in spite of Streveler not because of him.
We've won games with Collaros where he wasn't why we won. Defence, ST's breaks in a game one way or the other determine the outcome. The performance of the opponent as well.
You both are taking a very narrow view of his overall performance. It's been bad whether we've won or lost.
We are talking about Strev's record and ability to win ball games as a backup QB which he has done. We are not talking about yesterday's game. Regardless of his performance and stats, he has won ball games and contributed to allowing us a chance to make the playoffs. Yes Strev doesn't take the credit for the Ws generally (did play well in BC) but it's a team game and he deserves some credit just like all three phases and our coaching in those victories.
Techno and I never spoke about performance, focus is the outcome/record. Nothing absurb about that. Agree to disagree and let's move on please. We both repeating ourselves.
To be clear, Streveler didn't win the game, the TEAM won the game DESPITE Streveler's pathetic 8 pass attempt 54 yard passing game. Vaval's missed FG return for a 110 yd TD was nothing short of miraculous, and Cam Allen's timely interceptions of sure points for lowly Ottawa and took points off the board for them that would have won them the gam, miracle #2.
It is good to see the team rally around and play outstanding ST and D football , much like they did when Vaval had 2 TD returns in Strev's other 'win', which again the team won despite Strev's poor performance.
This entire thread is ridiculous
I really thought Lapo's explanation of playing backup quarterbacks was excellent. The coaches see the quarterbacks every day. If Wilson was truly better he would be playing. O'Shea quietly without fanfare replaces playerS IF they have a better option. Many fans including myself wanted Mitchell to play but I would have to say he is not a game breaker and truly not a star.
Quote from: MATS on Today at 04:44:44 PMI really thought Lapo's explanation of playing backup quarterbacks was excellent. The coaches see the quarterbacks every day. If Wilson was truly better he would be playing. O'Shea quietly without fanfare replaces playerS IF they have a better option. Many fans including myself wanted Mitchell to play but I would have to say he is not a game breaker and truly not a star.
Agree Lapo is rarely wrong and I enjoyed his take as well
My gawd this might be the most ridiculous thread ever.
We all love fur coat wearing 2019 Streveler and always will. He's long gone.
Vaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.
Streveler proved yesterday he's a fullback. Might be his career path forward, pull a Sinopoli and move out of the QB position cause it's not a good fit. Let him hit people, he likes that.
He can't read a defence and he can't throw. That was painfully obvious yesterday. There were multiple receivers open on numerous plays but he went One Mississippi, tuck and run for a loss on nearly every non Brady play.
But let's take the more obvious position - Lewis Ward doesn't shank two kicks yesterday and we lose.
Again, we all love 2019 Strevy, but he doesn't exist anymore. When the Bombers fail to make the GC this year, there are going to be a lot of questions about why, in a year where VAJ, MBT, Fajardo, Dolegala, Patterson, and Dukes were all available, we chose to stand still with status quo. At the very least, we have to assume Wilson is a complete bust, and all of the above mentioned are better passers than Strev (and therefore Wilson), and most are not locker room problems.
If the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on Today at 05:25:00 PMMy gawd this might be the most ridiculous thread ever.
We all love fur coat wearing 2019 Streveler and always will. He's long gone.
Vaval is the primary reason for two of those wins.
Streveler proved yesterday he's a fullback. Might be his career path forward, pull a Sinopoli and move out of the QB position cause it's not a good fit. Let him hit people, he likes that.
He can't read a defence and he can't throw. That was painfully obvious yesterday. There were multiple receivers open on numerous plays but he went One Mississippi, tuck and run for a loss on nearly every non Brady play.
But let's take the more obvious position - Lewis Ward doesn't shank two kicks yesterday and we lose.
Again, we all love 2019 Strevy, but he doesn't exist anymore. When the Bombers fail to make the GC this year, there are going to be a lot of questions about why, in a year where VAJ, MBT, Fajardo, Dolegala, Patterson, and Dukes were all available, we chose to stand still with status quo. At the very least, we have to assume Wilson is a complete bust, and all of the above mentioned are better passers than Strev (and therefore Wilson), and most are not locker room problems.
If the Bombers start Strev again, it should cost Hogan his job (let's be honest he's gone at garbage bag day +1 anyway) and possibly MOS.
Techno has provided his take on Strev's record. I don't agree that Hogan is gone at the end of the season. 10 to 1 odds MOS isn't either, unless he chooses that. Starting Strev again will cost no one their jobs. 100 to 1 odds on that. Many of us have been on here and very long time and have seen it all, this is by far not the most ridiculous thread ever. It's about Strev's ability to win ball games this year as a backup. The weird and wacky threads we have all seen trumps this by 1000x. Imo. I enjoy Techno's takes in general and think this was a timely one. It goes against the grain which the herd clearly doesn't like but I do.
Quote from: Blueforlife on Today at 04:29:15 PMWhat he did lately is win a game and has a winning record this season.
That is a false narrative.
There is, in no way shape or form, any evidence that Streveler was needed for, let alone caused, the win. I don't think the previously mentioned 10 year old, or myself, could have played QB and the team still won, but I have zero doubt that we don't win with any of our rostered QB's. I don't think anyone on our roster, QB or not, would not have won this game.
CS17 did not "win" this game. He don't even think his effort kept us from losing it.
QB's should win you games. They should be able to take the team on their back and get you over the goal line. Yes, there will be games where they struggle, and the team comes to their rescue, but I do not see this as one of those cases.
When a rookie receiver is so open that there is no one in his postal code, and he had to jump up and down and wave to get a pass thrown his way, that is sad. Especially when that pass is 50% of your downfield completions.
We do not need a QB that we win in spite of. And giving CS17 credit for being a .750 QB when he has a .640 completion percentage, and has thrown 11 picks vs 6 TD's is disingenuous.
I would say that there is a possibility we are 4-0 and not 3-1 if Wilson had started those 4 games.
In all the league, of passers with 100 attempts or more, CS17 has the worst:
Efficiency 68.6
INT % 7.7
Average yards per catch 7.5
You will not find a player or coach on this team that will complain about this, that is not what this team's dynamic is.
But it is time for an intervention. Someone HAS to take away his keys. I'd suggest it's time for Walters or Miller to make a roster change to prevent MOS from putting him back out there. Like when Billy Beane Traded Pena so that Howe couldn't start him in Moneyball. We have to let MOS get out of his own way and get back to coaching a winning team.
Quote from: Blueforlife on Today at 03:15:44 PMI like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many.
How many above .500 teams have we beat this year - 0.
How many other teams have more interceptions than touchdowns - 0.
How many GCs have we won in the past 3 years - 0.
Those are the how manys you seem to be ignoring.
Quote from: Blueforlife on Today at 05:29:57 PMTechno has provided his take on Strev's record. I don't agree that Hogan is gone at the end of the season. 10 to 1 odds MOS isn't either, unless he chooses that. Starting Strev again will cost no one their jobs. 100 to 1 odds on that. Many of us have been on here and very long time and have seen it all, this is by far not the most ridiculous thread ever. It's about Strev's ability to win ball games this year as a backup. The weird and wacky threads we have all seen trumps this by 1000x. Imo. I enjoy Techno's takes in general and think this was a timely one. It goes against the grain which the herd clearly doesn't like but I do.
Again, I'll take your odds. Same stakes. Man up if you believe.
Loyalty and team dynamic has served MOS and the WFC very, very well.
Walters has put on his big boy pants and made difficult off season decisions to move on from very good and very popular players, and for the most part has looked pretty good doing it, more often than not his moves have worked, both short and long term. No GM will be 100% in roster moves, and there will always be the ones that got away or come back to haunt you, but overall, Walters has been pretty solid.
I'm not sure, though, within the Mafia, what the roster setting dynamic is. Walters is in charge of getting players onto the roster, and no doubt includes MOS in deciding which players to pursue and bring in.
But who is the deciding factor on where on the roster they are, and where on the DC they are.
Does Walters get given some input? Should he be involved? If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new? If Walters wants to see what game Wilson has before he makes off season decisions, should he be able to tell MOS to move him up the DC?
Are these discussions happening now? Is the front office on the same page, or is there internal conflict to be dealt with internally?
Does Jarious Jackson have any input? Or Hogan?
We are at an inflection point, where the team can make the turn and the run for a home GC appearance. We did it in 2019 and started a dynasty by bringing in Collaros. How do we repeat that in 2025?
Great quote from Strev.
"As weird as it looks, it feels weird. I'm like, 'Have I completed a ball in the last two hours, what's going on?' Then you look up and it's like, 'Ok, let's go put a drive together to put this away and win,' and we did that at the end."
-Chris Streveler
Quote from: theaardvark on Today at 05:47:58 PMLoyalty and team dynamic has served MOS and the WFC very, very well.
Walters has put on his big boy pants and made difficult off season decisions to move on from very good and very popular players, and for the most part has looked pretty good doing it, more often than not his moves have worked, both short and long term. No GM will be 100% in roster moves, and there will always be the ones that got away or come back to haunt you, but overall, Walters has been pretty solid.
I'm not sure, though, within the Mafia, what the roster setting dynamic is. Walters is in charge of getting players onto the roster, and no doubt includes MOS in deciding which players to pursue and bring in.
But who is the deciding factor on where on the roster they are, and where on the DC they are.
Does Walters get given some input? Should he be involved? If MOS decides Wilson should never see the field, should he tell Walters to get him someone new? If Walters wants to see what game Wilson has before he makes off season decisions, should he be able to tell MOS to move him up the DC?
Are these discussions happening now? Is the front office on the same page, or is there internal conflict to be dealt with internally?
Does Jarious Jackson have any input? Or Hogan?
We are at an inflection point, where the team can make the turn and the run for a home GC appearance. We did it in 2019 and started a dynasty by bringing in Collaros. How do we repeat that in 2025?
Nothing is going to be said or done as long as Strev wins, and if Zach returns for the Ti-Cat game, we may not see him again this season.
Quote from: Blue In BC on Today at 02:31:25 PMAbsurd view. If 11 yards passing in the 1st half doesn't convince you then it's not worth debating.
And on this I agree - 11 yards passing in a half will not win you games. And this against the worse team in the CFL. If there is any hope of making the playoffs in any form or fashion that Stev will not take you there and IMHO that is very painfully obvious.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on Today at 05:41:13 PMAgain, I'll take your odds. Same stakes. Man up if you believe.
And where is Nasty Nate when you need him?? :D
Quote from: Blueforlife on Today at 03:15:44 PMI like Wilson but we will never know if he would have won. He would have thrown more and like created more turnovers imo. He would have had more yards in the air and less running.
In the end winning is all that matters, don't ask you how, how many. That's the crux of Techno's thread imo.
Techno and I are talking about his overall performance and record (not yesterday's match or performance). Nothing absurb about that. Strev has helped us win ball games. Ugly wins but wins none the less.
Just because one's view doesn't match the herds, doesn't make it absurd imo.Firing Dyce now is a terrible idea imo. The thread is about Strev in general and his record.He did more than that. He provided his take on Strev, his record and what he has done all year. He isn't talking about one win. He is taking a overall view of his performance and the fact that Strev has and can win (more than half the games). That was a reasonable take.
Techno also touched on why Strev plays and finishes the game that Zach can't. I'll add that Strev'a durability is a factor. He has shown can stay healthy and play hurt. He can gut out terrible outing and bounce back. He isn't the answer at QB but he can also win you a game in a pinch, which is good enough for this season (if our leader can come back).
Strev wouldn't have a winning record against top teams but grinding wins against average and below helps salvage our season. We don't have an ideal QB situation but that's ok. It is what it is.
If your QB isn't going to have a winning record against top teams, what good is he to us in the Playoffs if we need him.
Quote from: Pigskin on Today at 06:38:44 PMIf your QB isn't going to have a winning record against top teams, what good is he to us in the Playoffs if we need him.
90% of the backups in this league are in that group. Strev isn't here to win us playoffs games. He is an insurance policy for reg season.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on Today at 05:39:15 PMHow many above .500 teams have we beat this year - 0.
How many other teams have more interceptions than touchdowns - 0.
How many GCs have we won in the past 3 years - 0.
Those are the how manys you seem to be ignoring.
The thread is above Strev and his winning record. Has nothing to do with what you have posted
Quote from: BlueInCgy on Today at 05:41:13 PMAgain, I'll take your odds. Same stakes. Man up if you believe.
Nobody is losing their job if Strev starts again. MOS isn't losing his job. We can revist this when the time comes. The odds are a fun way to present an argument. I'll get the roasting pan ready. Wings or thighs? I want to pre order the bird when its on sale lol.
Quote from: BBRT on Today at 06:36:07 PMAnd where is Nasty Nate when you need him?? :D
Can we have him reinstated? Anyone have his #?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on Today at 06:31:38 PMNothing is going to be said or done as long as Strev is playing and the team[/b] wins, and if Zach returns for the Ti-Cat game, we may not see him again this season.
With Collaros recent injury history, I am not optimistic of him playing out the entire season. Our #2 QB will play again, and, God forbid, might even have to start in the post season.
We will not win another game going 2-7 for 35 yards (I'm not counting Mitchell's handoff pass).
I'd love Strevy in the QB3 role for years to come. Short Yardage, with the occasional tempo pass after would be amazing. And, should the planets align and we lose QB1 and QB2 in a single game, he can come in and hand the ball off, and maybe that surprise juke forward and drop back and throw to a wide open man forgotten in coverage.
But we need a QB2 that can throw the ball, read a defence and win a game for you when your D or ST struggles.