This is a must win game. Have to stop turning over the ball. The D will have to contain Crum. I am sure hoping ZC8 is back.
Get Zach back, protect him and get Brady going and should be ok.
Will wait to see what the daily IR looks like. Some possibilities / questions depending on health of those that have been out.
1. Collaros practising, able to play, should he play.
2. Griffin was nicked but it didn't look serious. If he can't play, then J. Jones might need to dress.
3. Players on our 1 game IR are all possibilities of being able to play:
a. Logan for Vaval who seems to have plateau'd. Do we shake up the return game.
b. Parker for Lawson
c. Sterns for D. Mitchell.
d. Vanterpool to beef up the OL.
Mostly I'm hoping that Parker and Sterns can return to the AR. Neither have been practising yet, so it's more hope than probable.
I don't really expect any additions from the PR unless new injuries force that ( J. Jones ) maybe because of Griffin might be nicked.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 14, 2025, 09:50:28 PMGet Zach back, protect him and get Brady going and should be ok.
gotta do something on the protection - max protect every play.
no Zach = no wins
our entire offense needs to be stop Zach from getting hit, let him throw and run the ball. play with one less receiver if we have to.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 14, 2025, 11:34:06 PMgotta do something on the protection - max protect every play.
no Zach = no wins
our entire offense needs to be stop Zach from getting hit, let him throw and run the ball. play with one less receiver if we have to.
Max protection every play is a terrible idea imo
Need to mix it up
We can win without Zach have already have twice this year but yes a challenge
Playing with one less receiver terrible idea imo
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 15, 2025, 01:00:20 AMMax protection every play is a terrible idea imo
Need to mix it up
We can win without Zach have already have twice this year but yes a challenge
Playing with one less receiver terrible idea imo
IMHO we can not win without Zach starting. Stev will not win a game for us. And even as bad as Ottawa is they probably are still better than us across the OL and DL.
Vegas line is right down the middle
Trade for Dustin Crum!
There are three very winnable games remaining on the schedule. This is the first one. Ottawa in my opinion, are the worst team in the CFL. This is a game the Bombers should win and they cannot afford to stumble.The key to beating Ottawa is don't beat yourself. NO More TURNOVERS!
Hopefully they Crumble.
Quote from: BBRT on September 15, 2025, 05:03:22 PMIMHO we can not win without Zach starting. Stev will not win a game for us. And even as bad as Ottawa is they probably are still better than us across the OL and DL.
I would take that action, if Strev played the remaining games we would win a couple imo (requires strong run game)
I think Wilson could also win a game if a few things went our way that match
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 15, 2025, 01:00:20 AMMax protection every play is a terrible idea imo
Need to mix it up
We can win without Zach have already have twice this year but yes a challenge
Playing with one less receiver terrible idea imo
We don't need to max protect on Running plays.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 16, 2025, 04:00:37 AMWe don't need to max protect on Running plays.
Which is funny, because those are the plays we often put in the jumbo & super jumbo sets! Luckily max-pro doubles as max-run-block.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 14, 2025, 10:15:20 PMa. Logan for Vaval who seems to have plateau'd. Do we shake up the return game.
Is it he's plateaued, or that teams give him respect? You'll notice ST coverage play "high respect" players (i.e. Grant) differently. They'll keep the waves deeper/spaced, and have more "last resort" guys. They'll give up more yards avg in order to stop the home run.
Kind of the same as when there's a KO with 5s left on the clock in the 4th. You'll happily give up 20 yards more than usual just to stop the scoring.
In that sense he should have value even though he doesn't get the home runs. As for Logan, after what he showed before, I don't think anyone respects him at all.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 16, 2025, 08:23:45 AMIs it he's plateaued, or that teams give him respect? You'll notice ST coverage play "high respect" players (i.e. Grant) differently. They'll keep the waves deeper/spaced, and have more "last resort" guys. They'll give up more yards avg in order to stop the home run.
Kind of the same as when there's a KO with 5s left on the clock in the 4th. You'll happily give up 20 yards more than usual just to stop the scoring.
In that sense he should have value even though he doesn't get the home runs. As for Logan, after what he showed before, I don't think anyone respects him at all.
It could be a bit of both. Logan was signed to be our returner in the off season. The problem was that he was not deemed ready well into the season. Whether that was a physical, mental or both issue I don't know.
OTOH, he was also an option on offence in theory.
So the question now is whether he's more ready or fallen off the cliff all together? I'd at least consider a change Logan for Vaval this week. I'm ok with whichever way they choose.
I did mention that import CFL rookies are not used to an 18 game schedule and many struggle at this time of the year. It may be a factor for him.
Vaval was asked to do too much but did very well
He will do better in the slow cooker than fried
He will come around
Good backup on D
Looks to be at least an average returner who needs to improve ball security at times
Good points both of you
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 16, 2025, 01:54:56 PMVaval was asked to do too much but did very well
He will do better in the slow cooker than fried
He will come around
Good backup on D
Looks to be at least an average returner who needs to improve ball security at times
Good points both of you
Yes he falls into the too much too soon issue. He has upside and should improve going into his 2nd season in 2026. He seems to be a very athletic individual and that's a good thing for a young player. He's versatile and we've asked a lot of him in his 1st season.
We know that Logan has struggled in his 1st season in Winnipeg. Why that has been the case I don't know. He was signed and we were excited with what we thought he'd bring.
There are not very many regular season games left. It's a now or never kind of situation for this season. IIRC he only signed a 1 year deal, which is why I say now or never for him. He has to show that value that was anticipated or we move on going into next season. Vaval then becomes the front runner next year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 16, 2025, 03:09:54 PMYes he falls into the too much too soon issue. He has upside and should improve going into his 2nd season in 2026. He seems to be a very athletic individual and that's a good thing for a young player. He's versatile and we've asked a lot of him in his 1st season.
We know that Logan has struggled in his 1st season in Winnipeg. Why that has been the case I don't know. He was signed and we were excited with what we thought he'd bring.
There are not very many regular season games left. It's a now or never kind of situation for this season. IIRC he only signed a 1 year deal, which is why I say now or never for him. He has to show that value that was anticipated or we move on going into next season. Vaval then becomes the front runner next year.
True for Logan, if he doesn't make an impact in the last stretch of the season he's going to end up on the outside looking in beside Walter Fletcher, wondering what happened to his once promising football career.
I don't think he's plateaued as he's still pretty young, but he may be struggling to recover from an injury that takes more time than was given to recover from (Schoen), he probably should have been place on the 6-game for a second spell.
I think Vaval has done well for a first year player, and could be a good returner going forward.
I have not been impressed with Logan. If he comes back next year, I would only offer him an ELC with some incentives for performance. He's way overpayed currently for what he is providing.
according to twitter zach is dressed but grindback Strev (milts definition not mine) is taking all the reps.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2025, 05:30:49 PMaccording to twitter zach is dressed but grindback Strev (milts definition not mine) is taking all the reps.
That's not a good sign.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2025, 05:30:49 PMaccording to twitter zach is dressed but grindback Strev (milts definition not mine) is taking all the reps.
Hearsay but heard on Wpg Sports Talk Zach told someone he will be playing this week.
What does qb Wilson do at practice, just throwing to Cobb and Echols?
If Zac can't go the way Streveler plays we may need him even if its due to injury.
Quote from: Pete on September 16, 2025, 07:03:35 PMWhat does qb Wilson do at practice, just throwing to Cobb and Echols?
If Zac can't go the way Streveler plays we may need him even if its due to injury.
Yup he won't see the #1 guys. He will develop a strong connection with our B players.
Griffen DNP hope his knee isn't hurt too bad
A key cog in our defensive rotation and will be a stud one day imo
Collaros, Sterns and Parker all listed as " limited ". So they might play but this is the 1st practice for Parker and Sterns for awhile so they may be a week away. Collaros seems to think he'll play this week.
Griffin listed as " DNP" so 50/50 that he's out this week. J. Jones would seem to be the next up, but that's just a guess. I think he was the only new injury last week.
Vanterpool could be an option if they choose.
Quote from: Pete on September 16, 2025, 07:03:35 PMWhat does qb Wilson do at practice, just throwing to Cobb and Echols?
If Zac can't go the way Streveler plays we may need him even if its due to injury.
During drills, he gets as much work as anyone else. The receivers rotate so everyone throws to everyone.
During scrimmage, he gets 2-3 reps at the end, once or twice a practice. During these weeks where he's back-up, he's obviously getting all the second string reps.
when asked about Strev - MOS is bringing up all that he did for us in 2019...playing hurt, the option of running - living in the past glory days instead of recognizing the current shortcomings. i bet MOS loves mike tomlin - the coaches of my two football teams are failing to recognize the glaring weaknesses of their teams.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2025, 11:14:12 PMwhen asked about Strev - MOS is bringing up all that he did for us in 2019...playing hurt, the option of running - living in the past glory days instead of recognizing the current shortcomings. i bet MOS loves mike tomlin - the coaches of my two football teams are failing to recognize the glaring weaknesses of their teams.
It sure is funny he doesn't bring up the past or tends not to remember certain games. O'shea is hurting the team in winning staying with his vets. Honestly he is going to start to lose the fans patience and tickets to the games (who wants to watch Strev struggle and watch the same old offensive schemes) Sure glad I didn't buy my Grey Cup tickets.... I had a feeling our team would suck this year.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2025, 11:14:12 PMwhen asked about Strev - MOS is bringing up all that he did for us in 2019...playing hurt, the option of running - living in the past glory days instead of recognizing the current shortcomings. i bet MOS loves mike tomlin - the coaches of my two football teams are failing to recognize the glaring weaknesses of their teams.
Heard that. Equally confused. I guess he's defending Streveler in the only possible way you can, by pointing to how good a fit he used to be as an athletic, change of pace quarterback who complemented a younger (but not very physical) Zach Collaros. That said, the answer isn't a very good one for why he should be starting now. There's a lot of people on that 2019 team who did great things. So what?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2025, 11:14:12 PMwhen asked about Strev - MOS is bringing up all that he did for us in 2019...playing hurt, the option of running - living in the past glory days instead of recognizing the current shortcomings. i bet MOS loves mike tomlin - the coaches of my two football teams are failing to recognize the glaring weaknesses of their teams.
I know, hard to listen to, 2019 was 6 years ago, whatever was owed to Streveler has been paid, time to move onto the present day. By my count the Bombers still have 12 players on their roster from the 2019 GC, the Argos have only 5 left from their 2022 GC win.
MOS knows the importance of backing his players and it will pay off. You don't point fingers when your struggle, you band together. Strev has his limits to be sure but let's hope he goes back to emergency only mode soon. He could be valuable come playoff time when its cold, miserable and you need a grinder. Like Ritchie, MOS lives and dies with his vets, the glue of the room. One more week for Sterns and Parker imo. Play it safe, key vet cogs in the Bomber wheel.
The players play, and it's time they play well.
Dave Ritchie famously hung onto his vets too long. Not sure that is who any coach wants to be.
Quote from: RebusRankin on September 17, 2025, 02:03:10 AMDave Ritchie famously hung onto his vets too long. Not sure that is who any coach wants to be.
Hall of fame coach Dave Ritchie who won 108 games and two Grey Cup rings? Always liked him. Great character and hilarious with his vocabulary full of butchered words.
But I get your point, MOS is loyal to a fault. Strev is the glaring example that is killing us at the moment. And it will likely soon get worse when he lets Collaros come back too soon because his vets get to choose when they come back from injury. Could go from ugly to uglier and unsafe.
Who is more popular than the second string quarterback? The third string quarterback. And he gets my vote for next game starter.
Quote from: Jesse on September 16, 2025, 10:53:49 PMDuring drills, he gets as much work as anyone else. The receivers rotate so everyone throws to everyone.
During scrimmage, he gets 2-3 reps at the end, once or twice a practice. During these weeks where he's back-up, he's obviously getting all the second string reps.
Thanks!
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 16, 2025, 12:52:36 PMIt could be a bit of both. Logan was signed to be our returner in the off season. The problem was that he was not deemed ready well into the season. Whether that was a physical, mental or both issue I don't know.
OTOH, he was also an option on offence in theory.
IIRC we gave Logan many returns and 2(+?) plays on O. The returns were, basically, pathetic. Jogging half-butt and turtling when impact was coming. And his plays on O were a joke, one or both stopped behind the LoS.
Greg McCrae did it better.
If for some odd reason we give him another flier (absent a Vaval injury) he'll have to produce FAST or he's gonzo as soon as we don't need him as a returner backup.
Quote from: RebusRankin on September 17, 2025, 02:03:10 AMDave Ritchie famously hung onto his vets too long. Not sure that is who any coach wants to be.
So did Bud Grant. After finishing 1-14-1 in 1964, the Blue Bombers rookie GM commented that he listened to the head coach too often when making roster decisions. That rookie GM was Bud Grant.
MOS presser: he's starting to get tougher questions, and not just from the Sun guy. I'm glad they're starting to hold his feet to the fire a bit more. But you can tell MOS hates it. Not sure what else he's expecting... Only gonna get worse if they don't start winning!
Derek Taylor saying he expects Zach to start. Should do a little more today and in the closed practice tomorrow they give him a full testing. If he is ok after that, he starts.
Quote from: RebusRankin on September 17, 2025, 02:03:10 AMDave Ritchie famously hung onto his vets too long. Not sure that is who any coach wants to be.
He is only 2nd imo to MOS on the most successful coaches here over the last couple decades
While MOS has had more success I love Dave the most because of his character as stated below
Quote from: gordo on September 17, 2025, 03:00:31 AMHall of fame coach Dave Ritchie who won 108 games and two Grey Cup rings? Always liked him. Great character and hilarious with his vocabulary full of butchered words.
But I get your point, MOS is loyal to a fault. Strev is the glaring example that is killing us at the moment. And it will likely soon get worse when he lets Collaros come back too soon because his vets get to choose when they come back from injury. Could go from ugly to uglier and unsafe.
Who is more popular than the second string quarterback? The third string quarterback. And he gets my vote for next game starter.
Love 1st part
Fine line holding vets to be sure but it's mostly how I would run my ship if I was captain, gotta know when to hold em, know when to walk away.... 🎶
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 17, 2025, 05:46:17 AMIIRC we gave Logan many returns and 2(+?) plays on O. The returns were, basically, pathetic. Jogging half-butt and turtling when impact was coming. And his plays on O were a joke, one or both stopped behind the LoS.
Greg McCrae did it better.
If for some odd reason we give him another flier (absent a Vaval injury) he'll have to produce FAST or he's gonzo as soon as we don't need him as a returner backup.
The question / point was whether he was physically / mentally ready to play after an extended time on the IR. What he showed might now be the best he has to offer.
I only said he had the potential to be better but that bus may have left the city and he's washed up.
He's an option that may have improved with more time being able to practice. Loss of income being moved to PR from IR/AR might motivate him. If it doesn't then he should be released.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 12:59:31 PMThe question / point was whether he was physically / mentally ready to play after an extended time on the IR.
I haven't seen his top gear since early in camp. Not sure if he is playing timid or hurt. Either way, Vaval is better.
Saw MOS's "When I picture him, I picture a leader who is out there driving the energy on the field." quote on X, and I sure hope he read the comments...
Ove 90% question the choice he made, easy in hindsight, but "fool me once" comes to mind.
We need to turn some more pages. If Collaros can Ray/Fajardo/Mitchell the next few years of his career elsewhere, all the power to him, but we need stability. And Streveler needs to change his mindset and have a great career like Simopoli rather than retire early like Tebow.
We need the next guy.
Quote from: Waffler on September 17, 2025, 01:54:44 PMI haven't seen his top gear since early in camp. Not sure if he is playing timid or hurt. Either way, Vaval is better.
That doesn't answer the issue of whether he has a top gear or whether it's been lost due to injuries. I don't go to practice so I can't answer that but the team had an expectation he would be the starter in 2025 when he was signed.
Vaval showed some flashes but currently is just an average returner. Blocking may be an issue but he's not showing what he showed before. He has upside but his role is not written in stone.
Hence the question of whether he might get bumped this week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 03:20:45 PMThat doesn't answer the issue of whether he has a top gear or whether it's been lost due to injuries. I don't go to practice so I can't answer that but the team had an expectation he would be the starter in 2025 when he was signed.
Vaval showed some flashes but currently is just an average returner. Blocking may be an issue but he's not showing what he showed before. He has upside but his role is not written in stone.
Hence the question of whether he might get bumped this week.
Vaval can play D so he has the advantage, unless we want Logan to get reps on O. D more important imo. Vaval might come out when we get Parker back as we would have more bodies on D.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 17, 2025, 03:27:10 PMVaval can play D so he has the advantage, unless we want Logan to get reps on O. D more important imo.
He played defence but like a rookie and got beaten too many times. In the past Logan has played well when used on offence and has more experience as a CFL player. We have others that can play defence and he was bumped from that role as a starter. In 2026 he may be competing to start but he's only an emergency fill in right now.
In 38 games Logan has provided 3200 return yards on punt and K/O's. On offence he's provided 1200 yards rushing or receiving as a rotational player.
He just hasn't shown it this year. Lingering injury issue or confidence lost.
If he isn't better now or perceived to be better before the end of the season they may as well release him. Five regular season games left counting this week.
He's no longer injured but collecting a game salary on 1 game IR. Echols is somewhat similar as a rotational player on offence that is also a returner.
Keeping both seems moot. Pick one and move on. Neither is likely to be on the roster next year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 03:35:37 PMHe played defence but like a rookie and got beaten too many times. In the past Logan has played well when used on offence and has more experience as a CFL player. We have others that can play defence and he was bumped from that role as a starter. In 2026 he may be competing to start but he's only an emergency fill in right now.
In 38 games Logan has provided 3200 return yards on punt and K/O's. On offence he's provided 1200 yards rushing or receiving as a rotational player.
He just hasn't shown it this year. Lingering injury issue or confidence lost.
If he isn't better now or perceived to be better before the end of the season they may as well release him. Five regular season games left counting this week.
He's no longer injured but collecting a game salary on 1 game IR. Echols is somewhat similar as a rotational player on offence that is also a returner.
Keeping both seems moot. Pick one and move on. Neither is likely to be on the roster next year.
I was excited when they signed him as I was a fan when he was in Calgary and considered him the second most explosive returner in the CFL next to Grant.
This return is from one year ago, hopefully he gets his knack back.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 03:35:37 PMHe played defence but like a rookie and got beaten too many times. In the past Logan has played well when used on offence and has more experience as a CFL player. We have others that can play defence and he was bumped from that role as a starter. In 2026 he may be competing to start but he's only an emergency fill in right now.
In 38 games Logan has provided 3200 return yards on punt and K/O's. On offence he's provided 1200 yards rushing or receiving as a rotational player.
He just hasn't shown it this year. Lingering injury issue or confidence lost.
If he isn't better now or perceived to be better before the end of the season they may as well release him. Five regular season games left counting this week.
He's no longer injured but collecting a game salary on 1 game IR. Echols is somewhat similar as a rotational player on offence that is also a returner.
Keeping both seems moot. Pick one and move on. Neither is likely to be on the roster next year.
Nice to have both when injuries occur imo
You make some great points thanks for the insight
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Bears noting, Jamal Parker returned to full practice participation today.
The daily IR report is fairly positive. Griffin looks like he's definitely out this week which is too bad. I hope we get Sterns and Parker back for this game. Parker could start and push Lawson to a DI spot replacing Griffin as an option.
unlikely we see Sterns if he still limited but Parker may replace Griffin but I'd still rather see Vanderpool or Woods/Adams. I dont think wed see Lawson come out hes been better each game.
I guess based on OSheas track history we might see Parker replace Allen but I hope not
Neither Parker or Sterns are likely. They have been off for extended periods.
Quote from: Waffler on September 17, 2025, 09:59:28 PMNeither Parker or Sterns are likely. They have been off for extended periods.
Sterns has only missed 3 games. Parker has missed 5 games. That's about a month and 6 weeks respectively. We'll see but it's not out of the question since neither required surgery.
Quote from: Pete on September 17, 2025, 08:52:19 PMunlikely we see Sterns if he still limited but Parker may replace Griffin but I'd still rather see Vanderpool or Woods/Adams. I dont think wed see Lawson come out hes been better each game.
I guess based on OSheas track history we might see Parker replace Allen but I hope not
Lawson is a Canadian so no need to take him out whether we add an import DT or not. Lawson has been the weakest link in the secondary, so I wouldn't expect Parker to replace Allen if he's added to the roster.
If Parker isn't added then I expect J. Jones to be added with Griffin coming out.
Sterns would replace Mitchell and he might be the most probable to play of the 2 on IR.
We're guessing on the " limited " status but that's the same for Collaros. None of them is also possible.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 10:24:32 PMLawson is a Canadian so no need to take him out whether we add an import DT or not. Lawson has been the weakest link in the secondary, so I wouldn't expect Parker to replace Allen if he's added to the roster.
If Parker isn't added then I expect J. Jones to be added with Griffin coming out.
Sterns would replace Mitchell and he might be the most probable to play of the 2 on IR.
We're guessing on the " limited " status but that's the same for Collaros. None of them is also possible.
Dexter Lawson is an American, Cam Lawson is a Canadian.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 17, 2025, 10:40:59 PMDexter Lawson is an American, Cam Lawson is a Canadian.
I know.
I thought you were suggesting that to get Woods or Adams on the roster.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 10:47:41 PMI know.
I thought you were suggesting that to get Woods or Adams on the roster.
Oh, we need Woods/Adams on the DL, but it's not Lawson who is the weak link.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 10:24:32 PMLawson is a Canadian so no need to take him out whether we add an import DT or not. Lawson has been the weakest link in the secondary, so I wouldn't expect Parker to replace Allen if he's added to the roster.
If Parker isn't added then I expect J. Jones to be added with Griffin coming out.
Sterns would replace Mitchell and he might be the most probable to play of the 2 on IR.
We're guessing on the " limited " status but that's the same for Collaros. None of them is also possible.
if Parker goes in a db will come out as we don't need a backup with Vaval as returner so the likely man out would either be Lawson Jr or Allen. Sterns has been limited while at least Parker is listed as full participant in practices
Adding Jones doesn't do a whole lot as he's not a cover lb and we supposed have Ayers as backup for Wilson.
But I've given up on OShea doing the logical move vs his gut
Quote from: Pigskin on September 17, 2025, 11:22:14 PMOh, we need Woods/Adams on the DL, but it's not Lawson who is the weak link.
Weak link in the secondary.
I don't expect too many lineup changes, not reason to rush guys but replacing Griffin if necessary is important
Quote from: Pete on September 17, 2025, 11:28:37 PMif Parker goes in a db will come out as we don't need a backup with Vaval as returner so the likely man out would either be Lawson Jr or Allen. Sterns has been limited while at least Parker is listed as full participant in practices
Adding Jones doesn't do a whole lot as he's not a cover lb and we supposed have Ayers as backup for Wilson.
But I've given up on OShea doing the logical move vs his gut
The way Younger was talking today, I expect to see Parker back at CB. He also spoke very highly of Griffin, saying he was a rare player that can play all 3 levels of the defence and will be difficult to replace. My guess would be Ayers sees a lot more reps this game in his place, allowing room to bring Jon Jones on as well.
what's the status of Zach?? Out this week or is he actually going to play??
Quote from: dd on September 18, 2025, 02:24:53 AMwhat's the status of Zach?? Out this week or is he actually going to play??
Derek Taylor Tweet.
Day 2 of Bombers practice. Looks like it'll be another day of limited action for QB Zach Collaros. He's playing safety for the simulated Redblacks D as the offence runs through plays.
Second day out for DB Michael Griffin. He injured his knee late in the Ticats game.
Ed Tait Tweet.
Day 2 of Bombers practice. Looks like it'll be another day of limited action for QB Zach Collaros. He's playing safety for the simulated Redblacks D as the offence runs through plays.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2025, 02:35:01 AMDerek Taylor Tweet.
Day 2 of Bombers practice. Looks like it'll be another day of limited action for QB Zach Collaros. He's playing safety for the simulated Redblacks D as the offence runs through plays.
Second day out for DB Michael Griffin. He injured his knee late in the Ticats game.
Ed Tait Tweet.
Day 2 of Bombers practice. Looks like it'll be another day of limited action for QB Zach Collaros. He's playing safety for the simulated Redblacks D as the offence runs through plays.
Well that ain't good!!
Quote from: Pete on September 17, 2025, 08:52:19 PMunlikely we see Sterns if he still limited but Parker may replace Griffin but I'd still rather see Vanderpool or Woods/Adams. I dont think wed see Lawson come out hes been better each game.
I guess based on OSheas track history we might see Parker replace Allen but I hope not
Parker is both a better FS than Allen, and a better CB than Lawson. So if Parker is back, the question of "where" is then who is worse: Allen @FS or Lawson @CB. I'd say Lawson is the bigger liability right now. So Parker starts CB.
The only reason you'd start Parker at FS is if you
really want to shoehorn Parker in at that spot as a longer-term plan. Then that still leaves one badly exposed spot for QBs/OCs to pick on...
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 03:20:45 PMThat doesn't answer the issue of whether he has a top gear or whether it's been lost due to injuries.
Well,
- Strev clearly has lost his top gear (and middle, and...)
- Schoen clearly has lost his top gear (and middle, and...) (pre-injury)
So Logan...
Bombers lack of top notch players has hurt the team.
Losing Griffin could be a big blow to our D. 54 total tackles this year. 47 of those on D.
T. Jones still leads the team with 82 DTs.
Smith and Ayres both have 15 STs.
ND10 with 882 yards and 7 TDs.
ZC8 with 2,297 yards.
ND10 might be our only receiver to get to 1000 yards.
Quote from: DM83 on September 18, 2025, 07:56:28 AMBombers lack of top notch players has hurt the team.
They have plenty of those. The Bombers lack of a capable OC is what's hindered this team more than anything, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2025, 01:53:46 PMThey have plenty of those. The Bombers lack of a capable OC is what's hindered this team more than anything, IMO.
I don't think the OC is the biggest problem on offence. Neither is the loss of ZC, or injuries in the recieving corps. Regardless of what schemes you plan for, and who the QB and recievers are, if your OL can't stop a 3-man rush consistently, you're not winning very many games. Our failure to consistently win games this season all starts with the OL, and if that isn't priority #1 for Walters in the offseasn, he needs to be shown the door.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2025, 01:53:46 PMThey have plenty of those. The Bombers lack of a capable OC is what's hindered this team more than anything, IMO.
Our HC also trumps player accomplishments from a by gone era over current performance on who starts. This has hurt this team as well.
Quote from: VictorRomano on September 18, 2025, 02:05:51 PMI don't think the OC is the biggest problem on offence. Neither is the loss of ZC, or injuries in the recieving corps. Regardless of what schemes you plan for, and who the QB and recievers are, if your OL can't stop a 3-man rush consistently, you're not winning very many games. Our failure to consistently win games this season all starts with the OL, and if that isn't priority #1 for Walters in the offseasn, he needs to be shown the door.
Well I believe Walters does not have a contract next year so there is that.
The O-line didn't struggle like this last season, so I don't buy into the idea that this unit's suddenly become so bad.
It's the system in place, IMO. Hogan doesn't know how to gameplan, much less make adjustments. Oliveira has been an afterthought for the bulk of this season, too. Hogan has no clue how to properly use the talent he does have available. It's been the same predictable, one-dimensional offense all season - with zero progress now that 2/3 of the season have passed. Sure, some talent left and injuries haven't helped, but those things happen every season.
I'm going to die on this hill: Jason Hogan is not a CFL capable OC and it was a gigantic mistake giving him such an undeserved promotion. Especially in a year where the WFC is hosting the Grey Cup.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2025, 02:19:29 PMThe O-line didn't struggle like this last season, so I don't buy into the idea that this unit's suddenly become so bad.
It's the system in place, IMO. Hogan doesn't know how to gameplan, much less make adjustments. Oliveira has been an afterthought for the bulk of this season, too. Hogan has no clue how to properly use the talent he does have available. It's been the same predictable, one-dimensional offense all season - with zero progress now that 2/3 of the season have passed. Sure, some talent left and injuries haven't helped, but those things happen every season.
I'm going to die on this hill: Jason Hogan is not a CFL capable OC and it was a gigantic mistake giving him such an undeserved promotion. Especially in a year where the WFC is hosting the Grey Cup.
Have to disagree. No matter the game plan can't be successful when the Oline isnt blocking. That has been the case most of the year. Also having Strevler at qb is a horrible choice. He has no accuracy even when given time.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2025, 02:19:29 PMThe O-line didn't struggle like this last season, so I don't buy into the idea that this unit's suddenly become so bad.
It's the system in place, IMO. Hogan doesn't know how to gameplan, much less make adjustments. Oliveira has been an afterthought for the bulk of this season, too. Hogan has no clue how to properly use the talent he does have available. It's been the same predictable, one-dimensional offense all season - with zero progress now that 2/3 of the season have passed. Sure, some talent left and injuries haven't helped, but those things happen every season.
I'm going to die on this hill: Jason Hogan is not a CFL capable OC and it was a gigantic mistake giving him such an undeserved promotion. Especially in a year where the WFC is hosting the Grey Cup.
Our problem is in the passing game. The Bombers are first in the league in rushing attempts and rushing yards per game. They're second in average gain per rush. Whatever the cause of their struggles, it's not from under-utilizing Brady.
We are last in the league in throwing interceptions by a huge margin, and also last in passing efficiency.
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 18, 2025, 03:23:37 PMOur problem is in the passing game. The Bombers are first in the league in rushing attempts and rushing yards per game. They're second in average gain per rush. Whatever the cause of their struggles, it's not from under-utilizing Brady.
We are last in the league in throwing interceptions by a huge margin, and also last in passing efficiency.
I stand corrected on the run game. And that would sorta lead me to believe the O-line is blocking well enough up front for Oliveira.
Your comment on the passing game is one with which I completely agree.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2025, 06:58:09 AMParker is both a better FS than Allen, and a better CB than Lawson. So if Parker is back, the question of "where" is then who is worse: Allen @FS or Lawson @CB. I'd say Lawson is the bigger liability right now. So Parker starts CB.
The only reason you'd start Parker at FS is if you really want to shoehorn Parker in at that spot as a longer-term plan. Then that still leaves one badly exposed spot for QBs/OCs to pick on...
I think Parker had his shot at Safety early in the season and it didn't go that well, lot's of big plays given up for TD's in that time. He fell down once, got run over once, and the young CB's were jumping routes and missing consistently almost evey game. Not all was his fault but got the sense communication was lacking when he was the leader. Allen has done better with the help of Kramdi, but the minimization of rookies in the backfield will probably stabilize the secondary more than anything else they can do this season. Nobody gets cut, and they all get another chance to start again next season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2025, 03:42:52 PMI stand corrected on the run game. And that would sorta leads me to believe the O-line is blocking well enough up front for Oliveira.
Your comment on the passing game is one with which I completely agree.
I don't think the O-line is the problem either, there are problem spots but Brady has been running well and they only gave up 2 sacks last game against Hamilton so it's not a disasater. Time to move on from Stan and Kola and maybe Neuf, but he may have a few years left if they can upgrade Center. Any O-line moves won't likely be made till the off-season, so might as well settle in for the rest of the season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2025, 04:03:30 PMI don't think the O-line is the problem either, there are problem spots but Brady has been running well and they only gave up 2 sacks last game against Hamilton so it's not a disasater. Time to move on from Stan and Kola and maybe Neuf, but he may have a few years left if they can upgrade Center. Any O-line moves won't likely be made till the off-season, so might as well settle in for the rest of the season.
I just can't see the talent on offense aging out so suddenly, particularly on the O-line. And I would think any OC worth his salt could take the age factor into consideration and build his offense with that mind.
But maybe I'm way off here. I don't know. I'm pretty bitter about this season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2025, 04:03:30 PMI don't think the O-line is the problem either, there are problem spots but Brady has been running well and they only gave up 2 sacks last game against Hamilton so it's not a disasater. Time to move on from Stan and Kola and maybe Neuf, but he may have a few years left if they can upgrade Center. Any O-line moves won't likely be made till the off-season, so might as well settle in for the rest of the season.
A good way to ensure a collapse of your Oline is moving on from vets before their time. If these guys can still play I would welcome all back next year but the foundation of our club is slowly changing. I believe a lot of our success in the last decade has been on the back of the OL. Of course it's drive by the QB but Joe Montana can't throw 6s with good hogs. I like consistency on the OL.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2025, 02:19:29 PMThe O-line didn't struggle like this last season, so I don't buy into the idea that this unit's suddenly become so bad.
It's the system in place, IMO. Hogan doesn't know how to gameplan, much less make adjustments. Oliveira has been an afterthought for the bulk of this season, too. Hogan has no clue how to properly use the talent he does have available. It's been the same predictable, one-dimensional offense all season - with zero progress now that 2/3 of the season have passed. Sure, some talent left and injuries haven't helped, but those things happen every season.
I'm going to die on this hill: Jason Hogan is not a CFL capable OC and it was a gigantic mistake giving him such an undeserved promotion. Especially in a year where the WFC is hosting the Grey Cup.
OL has been a big part of the problem imo.
Hogan will learn and get better hopefully and is learning by his mistakes just like MOS and Hall did.
The negativity on him is slightly overstated but there is no guarantee he is the answer either. I think he will be worth the wait.
OL too time to warm up last year
This year we haven't got warm (yet)
Walk trough today in a closed session so we won't learn anything until the roster is declared tomorrow :(
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 18, 2025, 05:19:04 PMWalk trough today in a closed session so we won't learn anything until the roster is declared tomorrow :(
I don't think it's going to feel good either way.
Strev starting feels gross. Zach being unable to practice but getting the start would also feel gross.
What are we even hoping for?
Quote from: Jesse on September 18, 2025, 05:23:42 PMI don't think it's going to feel good either way.
Strev starting feels gross. Zach being unable to practice but getting the start would also feel gross.
What are we even hoping for?
A miracle!!
With Strev playing, we won't generate 10 points on offense, Ottawa usually throws up 25-30, even with Crumb playing. Pretty bleak in Bomberville
Quote from: Jesse on September 18, 2025, 05:23:42 PMI don't think it's going to feel good either way.
Strev starting feels gross. Zach being unable to practice but getting the start would also feel gross.
What are we even hoping for?
Good chance Dru Brown starts for Ottawa, maybe that's good. I suspect Crum has beat the Bombers more often than Brown.
https://3downnation.com/2025/09/17/qb-dru-brown-full-participant-in-practice-with-ottawa-redblacks/ (https://3downnation.com/2025/09/17/qb-dru-brown-full-participant-in-practice-with-ottawa-redblacks/)
Quote from: Jesse on September 18, 2025, 05:23:42 PMI don't think it's going to feel good either way.
Strev starting feels gross. Zach being unable to practice but getting the start would also feel gross.
What are we even hoping for?
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Maybe Hogan steps on a Lego.
Why do I have the feeling Saturday's will be an exercise of futility?
I think the RBs will kick our ***.
Quote from: Jesse on September 18, 2025, 05:23:42 PMI don't think it's going to feel good either way.
Strev starting feels gross. Zach being unable to practice but getting the start would also feel gross.
What are we even hoping for?
Last week I thought Collaros would be placed on the 6 game IR. Instead he went on the 1 game IR and IMO that was just a deception. I'm neither convinced he should play again or will play again. If in fact that is the " real " decision then why the illusion of using the 1 game IR?
I asked the same question about Parker who was on crutches and couldn't practice. He's now missed 6 games and returning is still a question. You don't need to have a medical degree to understand a player on crutches isn't playing for awhile.
Derek Taylor:
Bombers list QB Zach Collaros as Questionable for Saturday in Ottawa. It was this day last week when they declared him Out for the game in Hamilton.
with injury report
https://x.com/DTonOB/status/1968782356539433417
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2025, 11:14:12 PMwhen asked about Strev - MOS is bringing up all that he did for us in 2019...playing hurt, the option of running - living in the past glory days instead of recognizing the current shortcomings. i bet MOS loves mike tomlin - the coaches of my two football teams are failing to recognize the glaring weaknesses of their teams.
I almost spit out my coffee when MOS brought up 2019. 6 years ago dude !
Dru Brown is starting
Special teams returns is a lot about the other eleven guys being accountable. The returner job is easy. Just run where the bad guys are not. Bombers don't have enough blockers being accountable.
Like Zac looks like he is awful. He's not. Just watch the left guard. He also doesn't have a lot of guys to get open and throw to.
Oh well, next year they should have some cash to sign some guys. The O line and D line need players who rank as no. 1
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 18, 2025, 05:45:33 PMLast week I thought Collaros would be placed on the 6 game IR. Instead he went on the 1 game IR and IMO that was just a deception. I'm neither convinced he should play again or will play again. If in fact that is the " real " decision then why the illusion of using the 1 game IR?
I asked the same question about Parker who was on crutches and couldn't practice. He's now missed 6 games and returning is still a question. You don't need to have a medical degree to understand a player on crutches isn't playing for awhile.
I still expect Zach to play again.
Quote from: Jesse on September 18, 2025, 11:47:30 PMI still expect Zach to play again.
Yes he will and if he gets protection, he can still sling it as good as any.
Blue for Life with the perfect point.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 18, 2025, 02:19:29 PMThe O-line didn't struggle like this last season, so I don't buy into the idea that this unit's suddenly become so bad.
Last season was Lofton, not Randolph. Lofton is like 2 levels better than Randolph. I don't care what MOS or PFF says.
Last season was Dobson, not Wallace (and at times Vanterpool). I wasn't a Dobson fan, but he was miles better than Wallace. I think Vanterpool can be nearly as good as Dobson, but for whatever reasons, we are starting Wallace more.
Stan Vant Ko Neuf Lofton <--- get this line in right away and give them the rest of the season to gel and I promise you Zach will have more protection in the post-season.
If we keep rolling with Wallace/Randolph then we're going to keep getting constant pressure.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2025, 04:03:30 PMI don't think the O-line is the problem either, there are problem spots but Brady has been running well and they only gave up 2 sacks last game against Hamilton so it's not a disasater.
Many are making it sound either-or. It's both-and. The main problems on O are OL (especially pass pro),
and OC (mostly scheme). When Strev is in, he's a 3rd problem. When Zach is in, he too is a minor problem due to lack of zip & distance, but those (hopefully) can be overcome/worked-around.
Maybe add in the lack of another bruiser-type REC as a 4th problem. Maybe bring Clercius inside at slot to make the clutch, punishing center/flat catches, and put any of our 3+ lanky types out wide instead.
Quote from: Waffler on September 18, 2025, 09:08:21 PMBombers list QB Zach Collaros as Questionable for Saturday in Ottawa. It was this day last week when they declared him Out for the game in Hamilton.
Ya, but MOS always does this. Keep everyone guessing until 30 min before kickoff. Watch, he'll list Zach as GTD and then Zach will start.
I don't mind it, I actually like the smoke & mirrors. However, every time we do this posters get worried. Just remember, it's all a coy game to MOS. It's just what he does.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2025, 12:41:37 AMYa, but MOS always does this. Keep everyone guessing until 30 min before kickoff. Watch, he'll list Zach as GTD and then Zach will start.
I don't mind it, I actually like the smoke & mirrors. However, every time we do this posters get worried. Just remember, it's all a coy game to MOS. It's just what he does.
You keep saying that kind of thing but what does he gain? The Redblacks were going to prepare for Collaros starting with a secondary thought of considering Streveler.
I agree O'Shea does that but who is he fooling?
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 18, 2025, 03:23:37 PMOur problem is in the passing game. The Bombers are first in the league in rushing attempts and rushing yards per game. They're second in average gain per rush. Whatever the cause of their struggles, it's not from under-utilizing Brady.
We are last in the league in throwing interceptions by a huge margin, and also last in passing efficiency.
Streveler is 2nd in the league in INT's for active starters with 10 (Arbuckle had a bad game and has 14 now, but has more than 3x the attempts)... Zach 2nd overall with 13, 1 behind Arbuckle, again, less than half the attempts.
Ouch.
When your backup has thrown more picks than all but one other QB and your starter... just wow.
The fact that both Collaros and Streveler are amongst the worst QBs for INTs this season speaks volumes of how putrid the offense is.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 19, 2025, 06:41:57 PMThe fact that both Collaros and Streveler are amongst the worst QBs for INTs this season speaks volumes of how putrid the offense is.
Yup. Did much change when Strev came in for Zach? Nope? Then don't blame the QBs for everything. Some things, yes. Everything? No.
Blame OL, OC, scheme, and a bit on RECs.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 19, 2025, 06:29:28 PMStreveler is 2nd in the league in INT's for active starters with 10 (Arbuckle had a bad game and has 14 now, but has more than 3x the attempts)... Zach 2nd overall with 13, 1 behind Arbuckle, again, less than half the attempts.
Ouch.
When your backup has thrown more picks than all but one other QB and your starter... just wow.
And yet we stay with him! Isn't this the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome?! I see now why the nfl cut him, heck I am shocked he did as well as he did. He couldn't play in the arena league!!
The offensive line can't get Brady going. They also can't pass block. I see them grabbing at straws. They try and be a passing team , but QB isn't good enough, nor receivers fast enough.they can't run the ball because they try and show passing formations.
You answer what are we? No holes on run plays.
No pass protection on pass plays.
This will be one sided. Dru has something to prove.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 18, 2025, 11:49:12 PMYes he will and if he gets protection, he can still sling it as good as any.
With no pressure he is very good. However, he frequently underthrows receivers.
Quote from: DM83 on September 20, 2025, 03:54:31 AMThe offensive line can't get Brady going. They also can't pass block. I see them grabbing at straws. They try and be a passing team , but QB isn't good enough, nor receivers fast enough.they can't run the ball because they try and show passing formations.
You answer what are we? No holes on run plays.
No pass protection on pass plays.
This will be one sided. Dru has something to prove.
I'm fairly sure Brady is the league leader in yards from scrimmage (per game).
Quote from: DM83 on September 20, 2025, 03:54:31 AMYou answer what are we? No holes on run plays.
No pass protection on pass plays.
And thus sums up our 2025 season. So far.
I will say they've been getting better on run block the last couple of weeks. I guess if you're absolutely hopeless at pass pro, might as well focus on what you have some aptitude for.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 19, 2025, 05:43:25 PMYou keep saying that kind of thing but what does he gain? The Redblacks were going to prepare for Collaros starting with a secondary thought of considering Streveler.
I agree O'Shea does that but who is he fooling?
no kidding, he isn't fooling anyone. collaros hasn't taken a snap all week and you're going to 'coyly' trot him out onto the field after he took a concussion that left him motionless on the field and then proclaim after the game that you're worried about Zach's health.
plain and simple, collaros shouldn't start. You haven't given him any reps all week, he just sustained a wicked concussion and now you're going to start him?? Brilliant coaching. Way to go mikey, you are outsmarting everyone including yourself.
If collaros starts, best case is he's rusty and incompletes passes and we struggle offensively. Worse case, he gets hit again and he's done, like done done. brilliant coaching.
Quote from: dd on September 20, 2025, 05:18:26 AMIf collaros starts, best case is he's rusty and incompletes passes and we struggle offensively. Worse case, he gets hit again and he's done, like done done. brilliant coaching.
Chart is already out. Zach is not dressing. The big question is what happens next week...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2025, 05:27:01 AMChart is already out. Zach is not dressing. The big question is what happens next week...
for collaros's health, that is 100% the right move.
Quote from: dd on September 20, 2025, 05:29:57 AMfor collaros's health, that is 100% the right move.
Then you're consigning our team to barely making the playoffs and certainly being 1 & done. Is that really what you want? Just so we can get rid of Zach once and for all?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 19, 2025, 06:41:57 PMThe fact that both Collaros and Streveler are amongst the worst QBs for INTs this season speaks volumes of how putrid the offense is.
Is it the offense? Do we give the QB's none of the blame?
Sure, a QB needs a solid offensive plan to make plays. But INT's aren't usually a failing of a play design, the QB is putting the ball into a spot that can be taken.
Granted, if the play is poorly disguised and guys are jumping routes because of film study, or if receivers aren't able to evade coverage to get open, that can lead to picks. But its still on the QB to not throw into double coverage, or into danger where you have extra coverage in the area. And if you do decide to make a risky pass, you have to throw the receiver open, put the ball where only he can catch it.
Zach has been making questionable decisions this year, whether he's rushed, second guessing, or just can't see it, we don't know.
Interstreveler has never been the best at reading D's, and this is glaringly apparent recently.
Here's an idea for practice. Let the D run an extra DB, that will make it far harder to find an open guy and make the QB have to make better reads...
We can't get. Two yards.
We get shut out
Defense not even close
Well defence again wins the half
Great run but Strev. Great play call and blocking
Allen makes a play
Still Strv can't throw.
Good. First half
lol!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2025, 05:43:08 AMThen you're consigning our team to barely making the playoffs and certainly being 1 & done. Is that really what you want? Just so we can get rid of Zach once and for all?
I think we maaaaaybe sneak into the playoffs , we won't get rid of Collaros, he ll be back next year for his final season. We need a solid backup as he will miss games due to injury
Quote from: dd on September 20, 2025, 11:48:20 PMI think we maaaaaybe sneak into the playoffs , we won't get rid of Collaros, he ll be back next year for his final season. We need a solid backup as he will miss games due to injury
Not getting rid of Zach regardless.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 20, 2025, 02:58:12 PMSure, a QB needs a solid offensive plan to make plays. But INT's aren't usually a failing of a play design, the QB is putting the ball into a spot that can be taken.
And what if every single read on the field has been put in a spot where the ball can be taken? You know, like today on a few 2nd & medium/longs where we do the every-REC curls thing and every DB is right behind ready to pounce on the free INT.
That is 100% scheme. Not the QB's fault.
Especially with Strev in, if we don't put in the risk of going over their heads or double-moved, then every single DB will cheat to INT every single short route.
So what did Strev do faced with crap schemes and DBs waiting to pounce on everyone? He scrambled for what he could get. This may have been the smartest thing anyone did today.