The management has to wake up it's time. We need to have a future QB. Why we signed Collaros next year I do not understand. Thank you number 8 for all your play but father time is here. I mean really come on we have to develop a QB. Not sure if Elgersma is the guy or we give Wilson a shot or we sign a young free agent. Not only that we have some old players and god bless them, I love what they have done for the blue and gold and they will never be forgotten. You know i do not want the blue to go into a cycle like edmonton. We must improve and it starts behind centre.
I d go after MBT or fajardo, both playing better than anything we ve seen this year, but then again, their O lines are much better than ours.
I don't know why we haven't brought in suk Chung to help out our pathetic line. He's sitting on th couch at home, all star lineman, bring him in for the remaining games and sit Wallace the heck down. Do something, staying out with that line is insane, just insane. And for all Walters has done for us, he's failed brutally this year—never replaced the all star CB we lost, never replaced the all star NAT guard we lost and never came close to replacing Kenny Lawler. You get like for like replacements for those 3 players, the majority of our problems ar solved.
WFC can't dev a QB. It's not happening. And the once every 20 years you do (Dru Brown) the timing is all messed up so you have to let him walk. Murphy's law. And Dru hasn't shown he'd be a GC-caliber QB anyhow (yet?).
Nope, you do what we've always done and bring in a top FA for top QB $. That's why I don't worry too much. Find a way to steal Alexander away, though yes you'll probably have to wait for a contract year. CGY finally stole VAJ away, from a West rival even: it is doable.
Or try to guess the "next big thing", which may be Powell (my guess), or maybe Crum (a long shot). That's what we did with Nichols.
Your right we probably cannot develop one, but we need to scout better QB's. I'm not saying Wilson isn't a prospect but there are ones out there. Streveler is not a starter or back up. There are other teams in our league that are in the same boat as far as developing a QB. Hopefully we can find the one that stays with us and doesn't leave for the $ of the NFL. I'm old I'm 65 I remember when players came to the CFL from USA colleges cause the NFL passed them over. God lots of the NFL players could not play in our league cause if our great field dimensions and style of play.
Is Elgersma not an option? He has the advantage of familiarity with cdn football. There may be growing pains but if you have a Fajardo/BT, or even Collaros it will be mitigated
The biggest challenge would be OShea giving him an opportunity. Maybe thats a factor in Elgersma not having signed
I think scouting/dev'ing a guy who can win you .500 is much more realistic, and something that should be aimed for. You get him on ELC for 2 years, and then very cheap in year 3 (and maybe 4) because he hasn't proven much yet.
In that time you get a guy that can keep you winning some if/when your #1 goes down. Strev has actually been that guy! Dru was kind of that guy too, but showed a much higher ceiling. Wilson does not appear to be that guy.
Stumbling upon a Kelly or Alexander is like finding unicorn farts. Happens for maybe 1 team in the whole CFL every 1-3 years. We're a top team with tons of real money, offer top $, make better use of MMM, and spend it to get the best QB.
Quote from: Pete on September 14, 2025, 04:09:33 AMIs Elgersma not an option? He has the advantage of familiarity with cdn football. There may be growing pains but if you have a Fajardo/BT, or even Collaros it will be mitigated
The biggest challenge would be OShea giving him an opportunity. Maybe thats a factor in Elgersma not having signed
No he's not. I saw him play in the Vanier Cup and he stunk in the big game, and if you can't perform at the college level, forget the pros.
Could have just been a bad game, though. Any given Sunday. Zach has had horrible post-season games before, too.
Fajardo please.. make the trade Kyle! Remember the Zach trade? Do it.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 05:15:17 AMNo he's not. I saw him play in the Vanier Cup and he stunk in the big game, and if you can't perform at the college level, forget the pros.
That's not a reason to count a QB out. Look at the whole resume.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on September 14, 2025, 02:54:19 PMThat's not a reason to count a QB out. Look at the whole resume.
Ya, i know what you're saying, but if you can't produce in the big game in college ball, you mean to tell me he's ready to make the jump to the pros?? I don't think so.
Quote from: tlf on September 14, 2025, 01:33:37 PMFajardo please.. make the trade Kyle! Remember the Zach trade? Do it.
I for one, like that idea!!
I don't think I'd want MBT in Winnipeg. At best he'd be a short term answer and he can be both hot and cold. Fajardo or Ford might be available in free agency or trade, but at what cost? Ford is not a starter yet and might never be. He might be an interesting # 2 QB for the right price if we were solid at # 1.
I don't think with Collaros age and injury history we can say that. We might squeeze one more season out of him?
Hopefully we have a great one on our PR that we bring in for TC 2026 that will develop quickly!!! Maybe it's Elgersma?
Ford might be the only QB in the country worse at reading a defense and running through progressions than Streveler lol.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2025, 03:18:34 PMFord might be the only QB in the country worse at reading a defense and running through progressions than Streveler lol.
Agreed!! Enough talk about bringing him here, that would be a colossal mistake
I am not interested in Cody but can see why some area
Full stop no to MBT imo
But yes need our plan B and C
I would like to see list of potential QBs that we could all debate and grade
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2025, 03:18:34 PMFord might be the only QB in the country worse at reading a defense and running through progressions than Streveler lol.
I have to disagree - Stev is by far the worse at reading a defense. I tend to think maybe he is in a class all by himself in terms of what he brings to the table if anything.
Quote from: tlf on September 14, 2025, 01:33:37 PMFajardo please.. make the trade Kyle! Remember the Zach trade? Do it.
Opportunity missed, Bombers could have picked Fajardo up for a pittance last off-season and if they had:
-They'd be challenging for first in the West on this day.
-Significantly increase their chance of making the GC in Wpg.
-Receive an extension of 2-3 years of competent QBing before moving on to the next up.
Hervey isn't an idiot, he won't trade Fajardo as long as his job is on the line, they like his competitive nature and I think they'll probably extend him at starting QB wages for the next 2 seasons and focus on getting the rest of the team up to the level of playoff contention again. His Tre Ford problem will be moved to the back-burner and possibly traded away for assets or to free up cash, easy-peasy.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2025, 03:03:25 AMWFC can't dev a QB. It's not happening. And the once every 20 years you do (Dru Brown) the timing is all messed up so you have to let him walk. Murphy's law. And Dru hasn't shown he'd be a GC-caliber QB anyhow (yet?).
Nope, you do what we've always done and bring in a top FA for top QB $. That's why I don't worry too much. Find a way to steal Alexander away, though yes you'll probably have to wait for a contract year. CGY finally stole VAJ away, from a West rival even: it is doable.
Or try to guess the "next big thing", which may be Powell (my guess), or maybe Crum (a long shot). That's what we did with Nichols.
You do know Brown was a WFC find, right?
There are many "prospects" and recycled WB's out there to choose from, and who knows which system they will thrive in. BLM was done, but is having a career year. Arbuckle was out of the league, and won a GC and has made Chad a second thought (until this week)
Is Elgersma the answer? IF he flames out down south, I have no problem letting him run our O, what's the worst that can happen. Could he airdrop in and help us make a run? See: Nathan Rourke
We have Wilson and Chase in town, both need to get some reps to see what we have. We know what Streveler is, and we Know what Zach's durability is.
While I love MOS's "player's coach" loyalty, its is a modality that works when things are good. Right now, we need some "tough love" in the coaching ranks, especially at the QB spot.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 05:24:02 PMYou do know Brown was a WFC find, right?
There are many "prospects" and recycled WB's out there to choose from, and who knows which system they will thrive in. BLM was done, but is having a career year. Arbuckle was out of the league, and won a GC and has made Chad a second thought (until this week)
Is Elgersma the answer? IF he flames out down south, I have no problem letting him run our O, what's the worst that can happen. Could he airdrop in and help us make a run? See: Nathan Rourke
We have Wilson and Chase in town, both need to get some reps to see what we have. We know what Streveler is, and we Know what Zach's durability is.
While I love MOS's "player's coach" loyalty, its is a modality that works when things are good. Right now, we need some "tough love" in the coaching ranks, especially at the QB spot.
Problem with MOS is his QB support has always been linear and he treats them as his #1 son, he moved from Willy, to Nichols, to Zach with little over-lap, he got rid of one before handing the ball to the next. Even with Brown, there was never a question of him usurping Zach, he only received significant playing time if Zach was out of commission. Brown must have realized the situation and knew he would not be given a chance to start until Zach was officially done, so he moved on instead of waiting for his turn.
This attitude has to change if the team wants to get better value out of their QB resources, Wilson and Artie are are still wrapped in plastic but may be headed to the trash bin by the end of this season with out ever unwrapping their potential.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 05:55:44 PMProblem with MOS is his QB support has always been linear and he treats them as his #1 son, he moved from Willy, to Nichols, to Zach with little over-lap, he got rid of one before handing the ball to the next. Even with Brown, there was never a question of him usurping Zach, he only received significant playing time if Zach was out of commission. Brown must have realized the situation and knew he would not be given a chance to start until Zach was officially done, so he moved on instead of waiting for his turn.
This attitude has to change if the team wants to get better value out of their QB resources, Wilson and Artie are are still wrapped in plastic but may be headed to the trash bin by the end of this season with out ever unwrapping their potential.
If Zach is back next year, if he finishes this year healthy, or able to recover by camp next year, Wilson will probably court offers. Will he get any if he has zero reps? Probably not, Dru had at least a smattering of reps that showed he had promise to be a starter.
Chase is here next year for sure, that's just a fact of rookies on ELC's.
Streveler is that hard decision, that Wheeler decision as to whether to keep a leader, or realize he's not getting the job on the field done. I think that Walters (if still here) will make the Jeffcoat/Harris decision. Will Streveler get another gig as a QB? He might Prokup a deal. If he makes the Sinopoli's to RB or Rec, I can see him sticking with the WFC or getting a deal with another team.
Might even be a good idea for him to do that now...
I still would like to Elgersma here, he's built for the cfl game, great arm and accuracy, good enough skills to get a long look in nfl training camp.
Certainly shows more potential that what we have. May take a season to develop but if we have a plan to develop could be a keeper. The sooner we bring in the sooner we can evaluate
(by develop it doesnt just mean hold a clipboard, while the "vets" get all the looks regardless of production.)
Fajardo MBT and all the recycled options are only gonna make us a middle of the pack offense. And noone in season is going to trade us a qb before the trade deadline as all teams still have a shot
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 06:36:22 PMIf Zach is back next year, if he finishes this year healthy, or able to recover by camp next year, Wilson will probably court offers. Will he get any if he has zero reps? Probably not, Dru had at least a smattering of reps that showed he had promise to be a starter.
Chase is here next year for sure, that's just a fact of rookies on ELC's.
Streveler is that hard decision, that Wheeler decision as to whether to keep a leader, or realize he's not getting the job on the field done. I think that Walters (if still here) will make the Jeffcoat/Harris decision. Will Streveler get another gig as a QB? He might Prokup a deal. If he makes the Sinopoli's to RB or Rec, I can see him sticking with the WFC or getting a deal with another team.
Might even be a good idea for him to do that now...
Rather Strev not come back at all, MOS has too much allegiance to him and he's occupying a role needed to evaluate and develop better prospects. With a SY QB like Prukop expectations were low, he did his job well and he didn't gum up the works trying to become anything more than he was.
As for Artie, if he's still on the PR at the end of the season which is most likely, he's gone.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 08:10:50 PMRather Strev not come back at all, MOS has too much allegiance to him and he's occupying a role needed to evaluate and develop better prospects. With a SY QB like Prukop expectations were low, he did his job well and he didn't gum up the works trying to become anything more than he was.
As for Artie, if he's still on the PR at the end of the season which is most likely, he's gone.
If we are moving on from Strevy, Artie gets a contract for next year. He's not been kept here to not continue, he has shown enough.
MTL has 4 QBs on their AR, plus Alexander and Evans on the IR. Someone will shake loose, and if there is no confidence in Wilson and Chase, either Paterson or Dukes will be available sooner than later.
I think ZC8 comes back next year, so we need to sign a very competent backup, and one of Fajardo, MBT and Arbuckle would likely want to be a starter after he retires,so I am thinking sign one of them, don't care who, as all have good games and bad games, but we have to get a guy who can read defenses and accurately pass, all 3 can do that. Sign one. I like CF, as he's obviously won a GC, MBT can be super hot, then clueless next week, and Arbuckle is having himself a very respectable year.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 11:32:57 PMI think ZC8 comes back next year, so we need to sign a very competent backup
Impossible with Zach earning a top-3 QB salary. We simply can't (and never do) devote that much $ to the QB room. We are always huge #1, chintzy SY, near-ELC dev guy. Plus ELC PR guys.
The only way we could spend $200-$300 on a "legit backup" would be if Zach took a huge cut. And a) he won't, and b) we won't ask him to.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 06:36:22 PMWilson will probably court offers
No one wants Wilson. Maybe as a #4, and/or a cheap way to steal our "book" (though that may have $0 value this season). No one would AR Wilson even as the "injury backup only".
Well... MAYBE someone would take him as a SY specialist for $100k. Maybe. He's shown competent enough at it, though the reps have been very limited.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 14, 2025, 03:17:19 PMI don't think I'd want MBT in Winnipeg. At best he'd be a short term answer and he can be both hot and cold.
The recency bias on here is incredible sometimes. How quickly people forget that MBT basically stunk in every other game he started for MTL this season. Probably threw more INTs per game than Strev. He was so bad they decided to roll with Caleb (with a fake injury for MBT).
MBT is the most hot & cold QB ever. Why anyone would want him here as our #1 is beyond me. Plus, he's getting old now too.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 01:47:37 AMNo one wants Wilson. Maybe as a #4, and/or a cheap way to steal our "book" (though that may have $0 value this season). No one would AR Wilson even as the "injury backup only".
Well... MAYBE someone would take him as a SY specialist for $100k. Maybe. He's shown competent enough at it, though the reps have been very limited.
I think he's been very good at short yardage. Almost always makes the yard, and a few times has broken through for more. He has the foot speed to get around the edge, Strev no longer does.
Quote from: bunker on September 15, 2025, 02:11:22 AMI think he's been very good at short yardage. Almost always makes the yard, and a few times has broken through for more. He has the foot speed to get around the edge, Strev no longer does.
He has, and maybe that's why we still keep him. Writing might be on the wall for Strev and WFC *requires* a good SY package to function properly. So maybe Wilson as SY in '26 and Elgersma or The Greek as dev / #2 guy. The nice thing about this is maybe Wilson would make a decent #2 also... but that remains to be seen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 01:47:37 AMNo one wants Wilson. Maybe as a #4, and/or a cheap way to steal our "book" (though that may have $0 value this season). No one would AR Wilson even as the "injury backup only".
Well... MAYBE someone would take him as a SY specialist for $100k. Maybe. He's shown competent enough at it, though the reps have been very limited.
Honestly never thought of that, I know you mean so they could have an idea what we do on offense (everyone knows what we will do on offense, they don't need to pay for it), but I fantasized that someone might want to have access in order to copy it. If that were the (incredibly unlikely) case, Wilson could be our trojan horse!
I cannot imagine we go into next year with the same OC, or the same status quo on offense. Seriously. Even I would think twice about renewing. Well, I'd probably renew again but be way more likely to miss games in person for whatever reason came up.
time to move on from the following after this year:
Zach - replace with Fajardo (trade Willie for him).
Strev - clearly not a #2 QB (hopefully Elgersma shows up)
Neufeld - too many complete whiffs, needs to retire.
Bryant - see Neufeld above.
Jake Thomas - time to retire.
Stephan Logan - hasn't shown us anything.
Schoen - recurring injury to his knee has done him in.
Use FA to bring in players with the money saved from the above players salary and then draft and develop (OL, or the huge OL we drafted from UBC last year). We have to be ready for some lean years coming ahead as we have relied on to many old vets this year that have lost "it".
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2025, 03:22:33 PMAgreed!! Enough talk about bringing him here, that would be a colossal mistake
Nobody is trading for Ford unless his contract is renegotiated. To bet your team on him being your starter is also crazy at this stage.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 02:17:13 AMHe has, and maybe that's why we still keep him. Writing might be on the wall for Strev and WFC *requires* a good SY package to function properly. So maybe Wilson as SY in '26 and Elgersma or The Greek as dev / #2 guy. The nice thing about this is maybe Wilson would make a decent #2 also... but that remains to be seen.
Just imagine if they would have made this smart decision at the end of TC instead of continuing on with Streveler when they already saw his limitations during the 2024 season. Wilson would have a number of games under his belt already and they'd have a good indication if he had the potential to replace Zach or not.
Couldn't be worse than the current record of 6-7 and not knowing what they have in their QB room. With Zach's re-signing they're just kicking this problem further down the road, after the tide has clearly turned on his career. Start of the season I was expecting a renewal of his enthusiasm, but he's slipped off the dock a number of times this season and is now wallowing in deep water like a man in a heavy overcoat hoping to be saved.
A lot of people putting their hopes on Elgersma.
Chances are (based on the number of QBs who have played with the bombers over my lifetime), he won't even become Streveler.
Realistic starting QB options next season, considering their status on their current teams.
MBT- Temp solution, just as old as Zach but in better physical and mental condition, maybe get 2 years from him, some good some bad, but a successful offence could be built around him.
Taylor Powell- Only 26, he showed well in Hamilton when given the chance in 23 and 24, hasn't played at all since BLM re-ignited his career. Likely disgruntled, so Ti-Cats may not be able to contain him, similar to Dru Brown situation leaving Wpg.
Arbuckle- Offer him a decent starting QB contract and he'll likely sign anywhere, throws the ball better than Zach but requires excellent receivers and good protection.
Fajardo- He'd be dumb to leave Edmonton and Hervey would be dumb to let him go.
Dru Brown- If Ottawa blows up after this season and replaces the GM and HC, he may flee to safer waters.
Crum- Realistically no guarantee he'd win more than .500 even if anointed a starter, Crum is the perfect backup QB.
Tre Ford- Similar situation to Crum, risky bet but would be nice to have as a backup with huge potential to become more.
Luckily not too many other teams will be in the market for a starting Qb next season, so shouldn't be much competition for any FA QB's.
Realistically, only Tre Ford and Taylor Power will likely be available.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 15, 2025, 08:58:02 PMRealistically, only Tre Ford and Taylor Power will likely be available.
Why not MBT or Arbuckle?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 15, 2025, 09:35:38 PMWhy not MBT or Arbuckle?
The idea of MBT was covered by some of us posters already.
Arbuckle will test free agency and the Bombers technically will have Collaros under contract. They'd have to make a decision prior to free agency to go in another direction across all of their QB's.
It's a little early to know how this shakes out.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2025, 01:50:16 AMThe recency bias on here is incredible sometimes. How quickly people forget that MBT basically stunk in every other game he started for MTL this season. Probably threw more INTs per game than Strev. He was so bad they decided to roll with Caleb (with a fake injury for MBT).
MBT is the most hot & cold QB ever. Why anyone would want him here as our #1 is beyond me. Plus, he's getting old now too.
You saw him light up saskatchewan right?? we've never done that this year
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 15, 2025, 09:57:18 PMThe idea of MBT was covered by some of us posters already.
Arbuckle will test free agency and the Bombers technically will have Collaros under contract. They'd have to make a decision prior to free agency to go in another direction across all of their QB's.
It's a little early to know how this shakes out.
I was laying out possible QB options available to the Bombers for next season without disqualifying any of the candidates outright. MBT would likely be an option available for $250-350k if the Bombers were interested, I don't think the Als would care either way if he left.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2025, 03:18:34 PMFord might be the only QB in the country worse at reading a defense and running through progressions than Streveler lol.
However he is a much better runner and he is much younger I would take a chance on him but wouldn't give up a 1st rounder
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 15, 2025, 10:29:16 PMHowever he is a much better runner and he is much younger I would take a chance on him but wouldn't give up a 1st rounder
Ford is awful I am not sure why any of you think he will be a big improvement. There is a reason he has lost his job to other QBs year after year.
Quote from: dd on September 15, 2025, 10:16:19 PMYou saw him light up saskatchewan right?? we've never done that this year
That was his "hot" day. He has those. (Also, trap game, SSK not prepared, no answer -- how many times did we do that when we were the top team?? answer: every year.) Oh ya, and SSK at the best of times has a bad DB corps, and with 2 injuries they are plain horrible. Strev could beat them now.
Credit to Maas also: unlike Hogan, he laid into SSK's weaknesses: the mid/deep ball. Oh ya, and NO ONE saw that new MTL RB lighting things up. MTL's run game has been hot garbage all season. Theis is a joke, and probably just lose his starting job.
When is Alexander's contract up? I think FA27? This is all very easy: right before the GC it "leaks out" that WFC is willing to pay Alexander $100k above any other bidder PLUS $200k in MMM funny money.
Boom. Problem solved. Lock him for 3, then re-up for another 3. Keep him the highest paid QB. We've spent much (but not all) of the dynasty years paying Zach the highest QB salary in the league, especially when you back out other teams MMM cheating. Mafia is more than prepared to pay more than everyone else for QB talent. And Alexander is a future superstar and perennial GC winner.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 16, 2025, 09:17:45 AMWhen is Alexander's contract up? I think FA27? This is all very easy: right before the GC it "leaks out" that WFC is willing to pay Alexander $100k above any other bidder PLUS $200k in MMM funny money.
Boom. Problem solved. Lock him for 3, then re-up for another 3. Keep him the highest paid QB. We've spent much (but not all) of the dynasty years paying Zach the highest QB salary in the league, especially when you back out other teams MMM cheating. Mafia is more than prepared to pay more than everyone else for QB talent. And Alexander is a future superstar and perennial GC winner.[/]
I dunno about that. He's showed talent but the only thing he's has proven thus far is that he is injured more than he plays.
Imagine if all you had to do to sign your QB1 was to do some tampering and make a few phone calls.
Can't believe no one thought of the before.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 16, 2025, 04:25:11 PMImagine if all you had to do to sign your QB1 was to do some tampering and make a few phone calls.
No tampering. Just a "leak". Oops, someone leaked it, the water boy did, he's fired, all good. Welcome, Alexander!
And they don't even have to say "Alexander". Just say "WFC has decided to pay the future league top QB $X + $Y MMM". If someone assumes "Alexander", that's on them!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 17, 2025, 05:24:48 AMNo tampering. Just a "leak". Oops, someone leaked it, the water boy did, he's fired, all good. Welcome, Alexander!
And they don't even have to say "Alexander". Just say "WFC has decided to pay the future league top QB $X + $Y MMM". If someone assumes "Alexander", that's on them!
We already have a tampering period before free agency. You're trying to find solutions for problems that are theories only.
Alexander is on a 3 year contract, this is year one.Unlike us, mtrl has been doing s very good job in locking up key players early (they just extended Snead for 2 years)
Im not sure its just for job security but Walters insists on waiting as long as he can ,except for an aging qb whose performance is on downswing.
I would be surprised if hes here next year
If Zach retires, we can recruit a QB starter.
If he holds onto his deal and makes it to camp, we are doomed to get a m'eh backup from the available pool, and if Zach decides in camp that he can't go for the season, and just collects hi guaranteed money, kiss 2026 (and a LOT of STH's) goodbye.
This teams has the benefit of loyal fans and sells out every game. That will not continue if they m'eh out the rest of the season.
There needs to be changes that signal to the fans they are doing something.
My ST's are 80/20 likely to not be renewed at this time, and THAT says a lot.
Walters, MOS, the ball is in your court.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 17, 2025, 02:39:11 PMIf Zach retires, we can recruit a QB starter.
If he holds onto his deal and makes it to camp, we are doomed to get a m'eh backup from the available pool, and if Zach decides in camp that he can't go for the season, and just collects hi guaranteed money, kiss 2026 (and a LOT of STH's) goodbye.
This teams has the benefit of loyal fans and sells out every game. That will not continue if they m'eh out the rest of the season.
There needs to be changes that signal to the fans they are doing something.
My ST's are 80/20 likely to not be renewed at this time, and THAT says a lot.
Walters, MOS, the ball is in your court.
I got stuck reading your first line over and over again because I couldn't believe anyone would think this is a possibility. Recruit a starter??? Yes please!!!
Quote from: theaardvark on September 17, 2025, 02:39:11 PMIf Zach retires, we can recruit a QB starter.
If he holds onto his deal and makes it to camp, we are doomed to get a m'eh backup from the available pool, and if Zach decides in camp that he can't go for the season, and just collects hi guaranteed money, kiss 2026 (and a LOT of STH's) goodbye.
This teams has the benefit of loyal fans and sells out every game. That will not continue if they m'eh out the rest of the season.
There needs to be changes that signal to the fans they are doing something.
My ST's are 80/20 likely to not be renewed at this time, and THAT says a lot.
Walters, MOS, the ball is in your court.
It says very little if you're bailing at the first sign of trouble after years of unprecedented success, actually.
Quote from: Jesse on September 17, 2025, 11:03:01 PMIt says very little if you're bailing at the first sign of trouble after years of unprecedented success, actually.
Yup definition of fair weather fan
It's no secret, if we don't get a decent #1 Qb moving forward, ticket sales and fan support is going to drop.
I don't see us recruiting a current #1 Qb from any other team, as they too know the importance of a proven #1 Qb--we are not getting Alexander, or VAJ or Harris or BLM to come here, we just aren't. Rather, we will have to try and convince Arbuckle or MBT that their chances of becoming a #1 Qb lie in Winnipeg, vs be a #2 where they are. Those are the only 2 that I can see we stand a decent shot of getting here. My preference would be Arbuckle as MBT can have sizzling games, followed by stinkers, but really either would do.
If Zach is coming back, fine, sign him, but I'd have NA or MBT as our #2 knowing full well, Zach WILL get hurt next year, and likely decline more than this year, so a change is coming, just get ready for it.
If Zach retires, I d sign NA or MBT, but also go after a decent backup, Strevy ain't it. Dolegala, Patterson, Doege, Powell...there's a few around likely looking for a bonafide shot at #2 and all better than what we have.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 01:18:57 PMWe already have a tampering period before free agency. You're trying to find solutions for problems that are theories only.
Most top QBs get locked up WAY before the tampering period. Thus the need to "tamper" around GC time.
So MTL has Alexander locked up for 3 years? Then we may need Zach for 2.5 more years! ;) ;) Then we'll "tamper" the heck out of Alexander.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 17, 2025, 02:39:11 PMIf he holds onto his deal and makes it to camp, we are doomed to get a m'eh backup from the available pool
No, if Zach stays we're "doomed to get a" budget/nobody backup. No way we have the $ to get even a meh backup.
The only way we get an Arbuckle, Ford, Cody, Powell, or even Crum, here as #2 in '26 is if Zach takes a big pay cut to pay for it. And I'm pretty sure Mafia won't ask, and Zach won't offer. And every other "spare" QB not listed above is basically garbage, and the ones we'd likely draw from if we cut Strev.
No way we ever tie up $1M+ on just the QB room.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 17, 2025, 02:39:11 PMMy ST's are 80/20 likely to not be renewed at this time, and THAT says a lot.
Simply insane. Are you guys saying this having major emotional distress or something from all the losing? It's really not that bad!
WE BLUE & GOLD ARE NOT WIMPY FAIR-WEATHER SSK FANS WHO ALL QUIT THEIR ST AFTER 2 YEARS OF LOSING. WE ARE WPG. WE ARE LEGION. IF WE CAN SURVIVE BROHM, WE CAN SURVIVE ANYTHING.
Quote from: Jesse on September 17, 2025, 11:03:01 PMIt says very little if you're bailing at the first sign of trouble after years of unprecedented success, actually.
Oh, it says plenty about him as a fan - and none of it is flattering.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2025, 06:45:12 AMNo, if Zach stays we're "doomed to get a" budget/nobody backup. No way we have the $ to get even a meh backup.
The only way we get an Arbuckle, Ford, Cody, Powell, or even Crum, here as #2 in '26 is if Zach takes a big pay cut to pay for it. And I'm pretty sure Mafia won't ask, and Zach won't offer. And every other "spare" QB not listed above is basically garbage, and the ones we'd likely draw from if we cut Strev.
No way we ever tie up $1M+ on just the QB room.
Zach was smart to re-up for next year before this season began, now that the cards are on the table Walters can see it's not a good deal to pay him over $400k next season. Not sure Zach will back off on that contract as they're unlikely to cut him if he doesn't, but could get litigious if he holds them to the terms of the contract they signed. My fear is they honour the contract and they roll into next season with the same QB room, a year older and a year slower.
I think Zach plays another year and during that year, the BB better trade for a quality starting QB if one becomes available and have another backup QB in the cards. Unfortunately not that many QBs are available in the CFL since it's so small.
No way we can go into next year with the same Qb room or even the same OC, changes are coming, they have to, we're at the bottom of the league offensively, nobody is happy with that
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2025, 04:17:26 PMZach was smart to re-up for next year before this season began, now that the cards are on the table Walters can see it's not a good deal to pay him over $400k next season. Not sure Zach will back off on that contract as they're unlikely to cut him if he doesn't, but could get litigious if he holds them to the terms of the contract they signed. My fear is they honour the contract and they roll into next season with the same QB room, a year older and a year slower.
He can be cut at any time after the season. We are only on the hook for the guaranteed money, which is probably $100k to 150k...
Any contending team with an O line trades for Zac. Given. Time Zac is a surgeon.
Next is Bo in Hamilton, third is Fajardo.
bc like Winnipeg is paying the wrong guys.they have brought in all stars at O line and let them walk. Then same with their receivers. Who they got?
All others are progressing, but.....
Sask with Harris is set, Hammy with Bo = grey cup
Quote from: theaardvark on September 18, 2025, 11:17:33 PMHe can be cut at any time after the season. We are only on the hook for the guaranteed money, which is probably $100k to 150k...
Do you think the Mafia would actually do that? I'd think they'd use the off-season to negotiate and it would be resolved in some other way that wouldn't embarrass either party. Heading into a new season without an identifiable starter is a really bad idea.
A lot of speculation on Zach's contract.
We know he got extended for a year. We don't know what the new money is. We don't know if any of it is guaranteed.
Quote from: Jesse on September 19, 2025, 01:31:02 AMWe know he got extended for a year. We don't know what the new money is. We don't know if any of it is guaranteed.
I thought when it was announced there were numbers posted? I thought we were giving him a bit of a bump ($50k)? And he'll certainly get a retention/roster bonus, too.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2025, 01:40:41 AMI thought when it was announced there were numbers posted? I thought we were giving him a bit of a bump ($50k)? And he'll certainly get a retention/roster bonus, too.
I certainly never saw anything.
Quote from: Jesse on September 19, 2025, 01:46:57 AMI certainly never saw anything.
Ya, I guess it was all just guesses. I found & re-read the original thread:
https://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=56416.0
Not many people think he took a pay cut (why would he?). My guess is still he's at par with '25 salary ($600~), or got an "inflation bump" to $650. But who knows. I also don't think he'll restructure lower because all the losing is only about 15% his fault (IMHO).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2025, 02:30:07 AMYa, I guess it was all just guesses. I found & re-read the original thread:
https://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=56416.0
Not many people think he took a pay cut (why would he?). My guess is still he's at par with '25 salary ($600~), or got an "inflation bump" to $650. But who knows. I also don't think he'll restructure lower because all the losing is only about 15% his fault (IMHO).
Zach might be a tough negotiator when it comes to salary, from his point, why should he take a discount in pay when he puts his body and future health on the line every game? Is it his fault the team has let the quality of players drop off over the last 5 years?
"Is the stadium not full Augustus, does the wine not flow?" Wade would look precisely like a Roman Emperor if you put him in a toga. Anyone good with AI?
The question is what is he worth on the open market. No one else would be paying him near $600k.
Bo Levi took a pay cut in Hamilton from 522k to 361k in 2024. We are gonna pay Zach twice that? We could really use the money elsewhere.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 18, 2025, 11:17:33 PMHe can be cut at any time after the season. We are only on the hook for the guaranteed money, which is probably $100k to 150k...
I'd think any guaranteed money has to have some sort of contingency to passing a medical? If he doesn't play again in 2025 that will be question.
If he ends up as a medical problem that puts him on the 6 game IR to start the season ( or longer ) does that eliminate the guaranteed money issue from the SMS? He'll be getting the money in this circumstance and it's not an advance payment just a guarantee.. It's not a signing bonus.
Quote from: Waffler on September 19, 2025, 04:38:17 PMThe question is what is he worth on the open market. No one else would be paying him near $600k.
Bo Levi took a pay cut in Hamilton from 522k to 361k in 2024. We are gonna pay Zach twice that? We could really use the money elsewhere.
I'd be surprised if BLM hasn't upped his salary after last year's recovery, he must be back in the $500k range at least.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 19, 2025, 05:33:40 PMI'd be surprised if BLM hasn't upped his salary after last year's recovery, he must be back in the $500k range at least.
You can't re-negotiate a contract every time you have a string of good games, or downwards after a string of bad games. There is a tipping point in either direction where an organization may do something, but it's complicated.
He was going into the season as a player that could have been released or ear marked as a # 2 QB.
I'm not saying we should cut him regardless of his finishing the season or his ability to show up for camp next year.
Getting another season out of him at the expense of signing a replacement for the next 10 years and hoping we find someone in the next year that can be the next 10 years guy does not seem like a judicious use of roster management. We lost out on Dru making that decision, but Zach was younger and hadn't missed the games he has this year, so that borderline decision was justified.
IF there is no potential starter available (FA or trade), of course you do not cut a servicable Zach.
But, if a potential starter is available, we know they will not come here with Zach on the roster as starter (getting starters pay). If Zach wants to mentor the new guy at a reduced salary, and hold a clipboard ready to come in just in case, fantastic. But is he wants his full current contract, we cannot afford a new guy.
So that's where the decision comes in. It is made for us if there are no potentials available. But if there are, we have to make the fish or cut bait decision.
Either way, I really can't see Streveler on the QB depth chart next year, but I do hope he's still here in another capacity.
Question. If we have to pay Zach $SMS money next year, but he converts to being a coach, does that $SMS transfer to FO?
Quote from: theaardvark on September 19, 2025, 05:42:42 PMI'm not saying we should cut him regardless of his finishing the season or his ability to show up for camp next year.
Getting another season out of him at the expense of signing a replacement for the next 10 years and hoping we find someone in the next year that can be the next 10 years guy does not seem like a judicious use of roster management. We lost out on Dru making that decision, but Zach was younger and hadn't missed the games he has this year, so that borderline decision was justified.
IF there is no potential starter available (FA or trade), of course you do not cut a servicable Zach.
But, if a potential starter is available, we know they will not come here with Zach on the roster as starter (getting starters pay). If Zach wants to mentor the new guy at a reduced salary, and hold a clipboard ready to come in just in case, fantastic. But is he wants his full current contract, we cannot afford a new guy.
So that's where the decision comes in. It is made for us if there are no potentials available. But if there are, we have to make the fish or cut bait decision.
Either way, I really can't see Streveler on the QB depth chart next year, but I do hope he's still here in another capacity.
Question. If we have to pay Zach $SMS money next year, but he converts to being a coach, does that $SMS transfer to FO?
Good points and questions.
Regarding the question about coaching against the SMS. Injured players help their replacements all the time including QB's on the sidelines.
So no the SMS money wouldn't shift operations costs from SMS. Example: Who was to say Chad Kelly wouldn't have been playing by now or at some point during the season? Isn't he helping the other QB's in meeting and on the sidelines?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 19, 2025, 05:47:41 PMGood points and questions.
Regarding the question about coaching against the SMS. Injured players help their replacements all the time including QB's on the sidelines.
So no the SMS money wouldn't shift operations costs from SMS. Example: Who was to say Chad Kelly wouldn't have been playing by now or at some point during the season? Isn't he helping the other QB's in meeting and on the sidelines?
No, I meant that if Zach takes the job next year as QB coach here, and we still have to pay him guaranteed roster $SMS, can we move that roster $SMS to Front Office $SMS?
Quote from: theaardvark on September 19, 2025, 05:53:19 PMNo, I meant that if Zach takes the job next year as QB coach here, and we still have to pay him guaranteed roster $SMS, can we move that roster $SMS to Front Office $SMS?
That would be a disaster to the coaching cap as Zach is likely scheduled to make 3-4 times more than any of the other coaches. Last game I didn't see Zach talk to Strev or put on a headset at anytime, he seemed to be there as a neutral observer.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 19, 2025, 05:40:17 PMYou can't re-negotiate a contract every time you have a string of good games, or downwards after a string of bad games. There is a tipping point in either direction where an organization may do something, but it's complicated.
He was going into the season as a player that could have been released or ear marked as a # 2 QB.
BLM was the East nominee for the MOP last season, doubt his improved performance would go unnoticed or unrewarded coming into this season.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 19, 2025, 05:53:19 PMNo, I meant that if Zach takes the job next year as QB coach here, and we still have to pay him guaranteed roster $SMS, can we move that roster $SMS to Front Office $SMS?
I don't know and we don't know how much was guaranteed and under what conditions. That will be a debate during the off season after we get a chance to see if he plays again in 2025 etc.
Guaranteed money is a bit of a wide concept. Normally if he makes the starting roster there is a cut down date for veterans that always applies. I still think what I said would be the most likely option for the team. Put him on 6 game IR to avoid having to cut him or have any money apply to SMS and allow him to assist coaches with no penalty.
Now if there is a significant signing bonus, then that's an SMS problem. It could be that the guaranteed money was tied to an early payment even though it wouldn't be a "signing bonus" since he'd already be under contract.
We'll probably never know the real story whether he plays or doesn't play.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 19, 2025, 07:26:54 PMBLM was the East nominee for the MOP last season, doubt his improved performance would go unnoticed or unrewarded coming into this season.
On the 4th place team in the East that won 7 games and out of the playoffs. No QB gets all the blame or all the credit, but the best of the worst doesn't get you a big raise.
The TiCats gave up the most points all together. That puts the QB in constant catch up mode and as we know, yardage and points in garbage time don't mean much.
He threw for both the most TD's and ints in his career.
Quote from: Waffler on September 19, 2025, 04:38:17 PMThe question is what is he worth on the open market. No one else would be paying him near $600k.
Bo Levi took a pay cut in Hamilton from 522k to 361k in 2024. We are gonna pay Zach twice that? We could really use the money elsewhere.
Yes, but Bo also got his 500+ salary from Hamilton after being let go by Calgary for sucking so bad. A starting QB hitting free agency clearly has value on the open market.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 19, 2025, 05:53:19 PMNo, I meant that if Zach takes the job next year as QB coach here, and we still have to pay him guaranteed roster $SMS, can we move that roster $SMS to Front Office $SMS?
First of all, no. You obviously can't do that.
Second, you still don't know if there's any guaranteed money.
For all we know, we still have an unspent 400k on our salary cap that we'll give to Zach as a signing bonus on December 29th and he'll only count as under 200k for next season.
Quote from: Waffler on September 19, 2025, 04:38:17 PMBo Levi took a pay cut in Hamilton from 522k to 361k in 2024. We are gonna pay Zach twice that? We could really use the money elsewhere.
But BLM was clearly "done" with noodle arm and crossed-eyes and Brohm-turfitis. He was so done that CGY rolled with never-win Maier. HAM was taking a HUGE gamble on BLM, and really only did it because there was literally nothing else out there to do.
That's why BLM was paid half of Zach. It's actually a miracle BLM was able to get dialed in again. Quite shocking. Not sure I've ever before seen a washed-up 40yo QB have 3 years of complete suckage then light it up again.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 19, 2025, 05:53:19 PMNo, I meant that if Zach takes the job next year as QB coach here, and we still have to pay him guaranteed roster $SMS, can we move that roster $SMS to Front Office $SMS?
Even if you could, you wouldn't want to. WFC is in major
coach-cap heck. Whereas we have gobs of
player SMS available. PLUS you're allowed to go over. PLUS you can fudge everything with MMM.
If Zach can't play and you want him to coach, the way you do it is sign him to his $600k, but no roster bonus, no signing bonus. Then you put him day 1 on the 6GIR and leave him there all year. Poof, SMS-free coach. See: Biggie in CGY (yes, he's dressed for 2 games so far, but I expect he'll be sidelined again soon as he's been useless on-field).
I'd have Collaros rework his contract and if he doesn't then he's done. We have to move on from this often injured, under performing highly paid player, it's killing our roster
Quote from: dd on September 20, 2025, 03:11:12 AMI'd have Collaros rework his contract and if he doesn't then he's done. We have to move on from this often injured, under performing highly paid player, it's killing our roster
But any QB we'd want instead will be the same price or higher.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2025, 03:16:07 AMBut any QB we'd want instead will be the same price or higher.
Fajardo is higher than Collaros?? Don't think so. Arbuckle?? Not even close. MBT, c'mon not even close. Those are the only ones we ll have a shot at, all have stronger arms, all younger, all cheaper.
Quote from: dd on September 20, 2025, 03:27:49 AMFajardo is higher than Collaros?? Don't think so. Arbuckle?? Not even close. MBT, c'mon not even close. Those are the only ones we ll have a shot at, all have stronger arms, all younger, all cheaper.
None of those losers are getting you to the cup.
We want
only the best. That means Alexander, Kelly, VAJ (heaven forbid), or even Rourke. Those are the cup contenders for the next 5 years. I'd add in Dru and Powell as possible big gambles.
Aging retreads and never-weres are for backup, only. That includes BLM, who any day will fall back off the cliff.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2025, 03:37:09 AMNone of those losers are getting you to the cup.
We want only the best. That means Alexander, Kelly, VAJ (heaven forbid), or even Rourke. Those are the cup contenders for the next 5 years. I'd add in Dru and Powell as possible big gambles.
Aging retreads and never-weres are for backup, only. That includes BLM, who any day will fall back off the cliff.
Hard no to headcase VAJ. Now way you're getting Kelly, alexander or Rourke. Never.
Losers?? Didn't Cody win a Grey Cup against us, ah ya, he did. And didn't Arbuckle win a Grey Cup against us, ah ya, I believe he did, it was last year. So those 2 losers have beaten us, so what does that make us?? The only real losers are us!!. we'd be fortunate to CF here, but hervey ain't an idiot, he will never let that happen, so no point in arguing. I'd go after Arbuckle, he'll want the opportunity to start and we can give it to him, its the perfect fit.
Quote from: dd on September 20, 2025, 05:43:16 AMLosers?? Didn't Cody win a Grey Cup against us, ah ya, he did. And didn't Arbuckle win a Grey Cup against us, ah ya, I believe he did, it was last year. So those 2 losers have beaten us, so what does that make us??
Ya, I fully know about their cup status. They won those cups because their teams were clearly best-in-league with tons of ELC IMPs and ELC DPs tipping the balance. Cody didn't win the game so much as Ento/Dequoy. Arbuckle didn't win so much as Henoc & McManus, Dinwiddie, and that OL.
Neither Cody nor Arbuckle will ever win a cup again, unless they are handed the clearly-best team in the league again (and even then...).
Zach got us to a cup, and kept us in all but 1 (sliced finger), 5 times in a row. That's a real HOF QB. That's where Alexander/Kelly/Rourke are headed.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2025, 05:50:04 AMYa, I fully know about their cup status. They won those cups because their teams were clearly best-in-league with tons of ELC IMPs and ELC DPs tipping the balance. Cody didn't win the game so much as Ento/Dequoy. Arbuckle didn't win so much as Henoc & McManus, Dinwiddie, and that OL.
Neither Cody nor Arbuckle will ever win a cup again, unless they are handed the clearly-best team in the league again (and even then...).
Zach got us to a cup, and kept us in all but 1 (sliced finger), 5 times in a row. That's a real HOF QB. That's where Alexander/Kelly/Rourke are headed.
Cody threw the 3rd down bomb that killed us. He's a solid QB and given decent personnel around him, could win it again. He's dying in Edmonton, but I doubt he'd want to come here with our mickey mouse OC and offense. He ain't no fool.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2025, 10:58:55 PMBut BLM was clearly "done" with noodle arm and crossed-eyes and Brohm-turfitis. He was so done that CGY rolled with never-win Maier. HAM was taking a HUGE gamble on BLM, and really only did it because there was literally nothing else out there to do.
That's why BLM was paid half of Zach. It's actually a miracle BLM was able to get dialed in again. Quite shocking. Not sure I've ever before seen a washed-up 40yo QB have 3 years of complete suckage then light it up again.
Bo is 35, Zach is 37.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2025, 03:16:07 AMBut any QB we'd want instead will be the same price or higher.
There are 2 QB's paid more than Zach, Rourke and Kelly. Every one else is making at least 150k less.
Full list:
https://3downnation.com/2025/04/14/qb1-money-cfls-highest-paid-quarterbacks-for-the-2025-season/
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2025, 10:58:55 PMBut BLM was clearly "done" with noodle arm and crossed-eyes and Brohm-turfitis. He was so done that CGY rolled with never-win Maier. HAM was taking a HUGE gamble on BLM, and really only did it because there was literally nothing else out there to do.
That's why BLM was paid half of Zach. It's actually a miracle BLM was able to get dialed in again. Quite shocking. Not sure I've ever before seen a washed-up 40yo QB have 3 years of complete suckage then light it up again.
BLM had a throwing arm issue for many years, through the miracle of medical science they fixed it, now he's good again. Check out how stem cell therapy can be used to repair damaged joints and tissue, pro athletes are on the cutting edge.
So VA3 goes down in CGY, and then their #2 follows with what looked like a broken arm. They are on #3 (a NAT TE drafted this year).
So, picking up a release from MTL just got competitive.
If Streveler has anything more than a 1' leash, I think it is incompetent coaching. The tough decision HAS TO BE MADE.
I know Streveler thinks he can do the job, his quote "It's on me. It starts with me, and I've got to keep doing a better job." My problem is "keep doing". He thinks he is doing a good job. And I get that confidence in your performance is important. But when you aren't doing a good job, and are actually regressing, this is actually a self deluding statement.
Again, love Streveler and the emotion and drive he brings, but he just does not have the tools or ability to back up his confidence.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2025, 05:50:04 AMYa, I fully know about their cup status. They won those cups because their teams were clearly best-in-league with tons of ELC IMPs and ELC DPs tipping the balance. Cody didn't win the game so much as Ento/Dequoy. Arbuckle didn't win so much as Henoc & McManus, Dinwiddie, and that OL.
Neither Cody nor Arbuckle will ever win a cup again, unless they are handed the clearly-best team in the league again (and even then...).
Zach got us to a cup, and kept us in all but 1 (sliced finger), 5 times in a row. That's a real HOF QB. That's where Alexander/Kelly/Rourke are headed.
There is no doubt we don't have a dynastic team without Zach's contribution.
But his performance is waning, and there comes a time where you have to make the tough decision to move on.
We've done it with Jeffcoat, Alexander, and even Harris and Bighill. And none of the arch is presently on. The benefit of being trotted out there even though their effectiveness was declining.
Sure, position players are more easily replaced and moved on from. But still...
We became dominant when we got Collaros. We've been going down hill as he goes down hill.
After this game how does Terry Wilson look at any of his teammates without feeling like he doesn't belong.
For him not to be put in after that display by Streveler means that OSHea/Hogan don't trust him not to lose the game for them.
Its beyond me to understand why they kept him if thats how they feel. Once again we dont identify our weaknesses and try to fix them nearly enough.
(btw this isn't an inditement on Wilson we haven't seen what he can do, this is on the organization)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2025, 10:58:55 PMBut BLM was clearly "done" with noodle arm and crossed-eyes and Brohm-turfitis. He was so done that CGY rolled with never-win Maier. HAM was taking a HUGE gamble on BLM, and really only did it because there was literally nothing else out there to do.
That's why BLM was paid half of Zach. It's actually a miracle BLM was able to get dialed in again. Quite shocking. Not sure I've ever before seen a washed-up 40yo QB have 3 years of complete suckage then light it up again.
You do know Google exists right? Bo is currently 35.
Wilson must have two broken arms and two broken legs if he can't get injected in a game where Streveler doesn't even attempt 10 passes.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 12:23:10 AMWilson must have two broken arms and two broken legs if he can't get injected in a game where Streveler doesn't even attempt 10 passes.
That's a logical conclusion but , you have to think like the most stubborn football coach in the history of football and not playing him makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Sway on September 21, 2025, 12:28:10 AMThat's a logical conclusion but , you have to think like the most stubborn football coach in the history of football and not playing him makes perfect sense.
Yeah the second part of my comment which I deleted was far less complimentary than that
just for fun; which backup qb has the most wins this year? (Arbuckle btw is no longer a backup)
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 12:19:46 AMYou do know Google exists right? Bo is currently 35.
Holy smokes people. Don't you understand when hyperbole and estimation are used for dramatic effect?
In any event, I don't care a bit if they are 5 or 3 years short of 40. They are "old" in QB terms, positively geriatric (as is Trevor).
Just because the CFL is hard up for quality QBs doesn't negate the truth of the matter.
Quote from: Waffler on September 20, 2025, 12:53:16 PMThere are 2 QB's paid more than Zach, Rourke and Kelly. Every one else is making at least 150k less.
And Alexander will be paid $600k+ on his next contract. And thus there are the 3 guys I said would be the best proven and/or future GC winners to pick up. (And are you sure VAJ isn't earning close to $600?)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 21, 2025, 01:20:58 AMHoly smokes people. Don't you understand when hyperbole and estimation are used for dramatic effect?
In any event, I don't care a bit if they are 5 or 3 years short of 40. They are "old" in QB terms, positively geriatric (as is Trevor).
Just because the CFL is hard up for quality QBs doesn't negate the truth of the matter.
Again maybe do some research instead of analyzing microseconds of offsides instead of swallowing your shoe and claiming it was intentional
Calvillo s best years were in his late 30s
Damon Allen's best years were in his late 30s
Ricky Rays best years were in his mid 30s
Bo is just hitting his second stride
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 21, 2025, 01:40:23 AMAgain maybe do some research instead of analyzing microseconds of offsides instead of swallowing your shoe and claiming it was intentional
Of course I was being hyperbolic and generalizing because I and
everyone else here knows that
not a single starting QB in the CFL right now is 40 or over. Do you really think that I don't know Zach, our QB, isn't 40?
Even Trevor, the oldest, is only 39.
Eat your shoe. You're being pedantic, and the point went completely over your head. I guess next time I'll have to say 70 so it's a little more obvious to the peanut gallery.
Hey, I'm all for this 1919 style football offense as long as it wins.
Oshea gaslighting/trolling the media that 54 yards passing is great because we won will be hilarious
If this team is in the grey cup and wins I'll gladly eat my jersey
Go Blue
Let's be realistic and admit that Streveler isn't in our future plans for next year. The BB needs backup plans quick and it's can't wait.
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on September 25, 2025, 06:24:59 AMLet's be realistic and admit that Streveler isn't in our future plans for next year. The BB needs backup plans quick and it's can't wait.
I'm not convinced of that. Sometimes I'm like "he's gone", sometimes I'm like "we'll keep him".
If Strev stays over .500 in his 2025 starts, AND if Wilson gets dropped (very possible) as a never-will-be-legit-starter, then almost guaranteed we'll keep Strev. He adds vet experience and is a high-percentage SYer. And we can hope his knee keeps improving. If he ever gets that brace off, his speed will double.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 21, 2025, 01:23:00 AMAnd Alexander will be paid $600k+ on his next contract. And thus there are the 3 guys I said would be the best proven and/or future GC winners to pick up. (And are you sure VAJ isn't earning close to $600?)
Alexander proved last night that he will be worth that.
VA3 is proving that he may not be.
MTL has 4 QB's on the AR, and Dukes on the PR. Any of the 5 have proven to be much better than Streveler as a QB, statistically.
Having Cavillo as your OC might be a pretty big advantage.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 27, 2025, 03:51:48 PMAlexander proved last night that he will be worth that.
VA3 is proving that he may not be.
MTL has 4 QB's on the AR, and Dukes on the PR. Any of the 5 have proven to be much better than Streveler as a QB, statistically.
Having Cavillo as your OC might be a pretty big advantage.
Makes you realize the difficulty the Bombers face, they got lucky once plucking Zach off the tree at the height of his game to propel them over the top. The few candidates that will be available to replace him are not of the same quality, so the transition is likely to be rough and unsatisfactory. Won't worry about the rule change much, if the Bombers suck!
Cruel reality when the ticking clock on the starting QB nears expiration and they realize they haven't planted a single seed in their garden to replace the old vine. Much time has been wasted with no succession plan, are they hoping to get lucky twice?