This is a very big game for the Bombers. We have to put together a few wins and get some momentum going for the playoffs. Zach will be the big question going into practice this week. I am hoping we see a few changes for this week.
Houston in Vaval.
Adams or Woods in at DT.
Maybe a fresh young motor like Bailey in for Person who hasn't made a play in 5 games.
Vaval was shook up at the end of the game. He might be out anyway.
Quote from: Jesse on September 07, 2025, 08:56:45 PMVaval was shook up at the end of the game. He might be out anyway.
Should have been a penalty IMO, Campbell intentionally picked him up and threw him to the ground.
"Team Ted" game
Hamilton, ON – Sept. 5, 2025 – The Hamilton Tiger-Cats announced today that the club will celebrate General Manager Ted Goveia and his lasting impact on Canadian football when the team faces off against Ted's former team, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, on Friday, September 12 at Hamilton Stadium.
The "Team Ted" Game gives the community an opportunity to celebrate Canadian football and honour a leader and champion whose influence has been felt across the CFL and beyond. The "Team Ted" name was first coined by Tiger-Cats players — and quickly embraced across the CFL — after Ted's cancer diagnosis, symbolizing the deep respect and support he has earned throughout the football community.
"Few people have given more to Canadian football than Ted Goveia. From his time as a player, scout, coach, administrator and now General Manager, his influence has touched thousands across our game," said Scott Mitchell, Managing Partner Hamilton Sports Group. "Even through this difficult time, Ted's strength and commitment continue to inspire all of us. This night is about saying thank you to Ted and letting him know that Hamilton, the league and our Canadian football community are behind him."
Through his diagnosis, Ted has remained steadfast in his commitment to shaping the Tiger-Cats, the league and the game he loves. As part of the "Team Ted" celebration, several lasting initiatives will be launched in his honour including establishing Ted Goveia Scholarships. Ted will be personally establishing two annual scholarships, in partnership with McMaster University and Mount Allison University, to support Canadian university football players, helping ensure opportunities for the next generation.
Fans can stand with Ted by wearing the same "Team Ted" T-shirts that players have been sporting throughout the season, with 100 percent of the proceeds supporting initiatives being launched in his honour.
Link with more details (https://www.ticats.ca/2025/09/05/hamilton-tiger-cats-announce-plans-for-team-ted-game-against-winnipeg-blue-bombers-on-september-12/)
Quote from: Pigskin on September 07, 2025, 08:45:05 PMThis is a very big game for the Bombers. We have to put together a few wins and get some momentum going for the playoffs. Zach will be the big question going into practice this week. I am hoping we see a few changes for this week.
Houston in Vaval.
Adams or Woods in at DT.
Maybe a fresh young motor like Bailey in for Person who hasn't made a play in 5 games.
I wouldn't take our person but I am interested in Woods
Quote from: Pigskin on September 07, 2025, 08:45:05 PMThis is a very big game for the Bombers. We have to put together a few wins and get some momentum going for the playoffs. Zach will be the big question going into practice this week. I am hoping we see a few changes for this week.
Houston in Vaval.
Adams or Woods in at DT.
Maybe a fresh young motor like Bailey in for Person who hasn't made a play in 5 games.
Person is an import and Bailey is a global. He could be added by taking out a Canadian if we choose. Who that would be IDK.
If we take out Vaval who does the returns?
EDIT: Maybe that explains Woodbey getting reps. Person is a rush guy while Woodbey seems to be a cover guy. Our rush got worse but our coverage got better the last two games. It looks like Woodbey was on that a DE ( including Person ) were off starting from play 1.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 09:35:11 PMShould have been a penalty IMO, Campbell intentionally picked him up and threw him to the ground.
Didn't see that but I hope he's not injured.
Cute name for the game but respected as well.
Um, MUST WIN!
No Zach very little chance of a win here.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 10:28:09 PMDidn't see that but I hope he's not injured.
https://youtu.be/3JmJZrcrAfA?t=1672
Here's the clip. Just remember that Regina is not dirty. This is just how they tackle when the game is already over.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 11:07:06 PMhttps://youtu.be/3JmJZrcrAfA?t=1672
Here's the clip. Just remember that Regina is not dirty. This is just how they tackle when the game is already over.
I don't see that as a dirty hit. No penalty was called? Play until the whistle.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 11:09:09 PMI don't see that as a dirty hit. No penalty was called? Play until the whistle.
It was within the rules. Maybe I got carried away because there were 6 seconds left. I will say that Vaval is fearless.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 10:27:17 PMPerson is an import and Bailey is a global. He could be added by taking out a Canadian if we choose. Who that would be IDK.
If we take out Vaval who does the returns?
EDIT: Maybe that explains Woodbey getting reps. Person is a rush guy while Woodbey seems to be a cover guy. Our rush got worse but our coverage got better the last two games. It looks like Woodbey was on that a DE ( including Person ) were off starting from play 1.
I figure if they thought Bailey was a better pass rusher than Person, they would have switched by now, if they thought it was a close contest they would have given him at least a game or two trial. It might take an injury to Person to get him on the roster. Ratio wise Bailey has the advantage, he allows them to play an Import elsewhere if they want ie. Vanterpool.
May add recently signed Oyelola as a global, afterall don't we need another linebacker? (Kidding)
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 10:27:17 PMPerson is an import and Bailey is a global. He could be added by taking out a Canadian if we choose. Who that would be IDK.
If we take out Vaval who does the returns?
EDIT: Maybe that explains Woodbey getting reps. Person is a rush guy while Woodbey seems to be a cover guy. Our rush got worse but our coverage got better the last two games. It looks like Woodbey was on that a DE ( including Person ) were off starting from play 1.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 10:27:17 PMPerson is an import and Bailey is a global. He could be added by taking out a Canadian if we choose. Who that would be IDK.
If we take out Vaval who does the returns?
EDIT: Maybe that explains Woodbey getting reps. Person is a rush guy while Woodbey seems to be a cover guy. Our rush got worse but our coverage got better the last two games. It looks like Woodbey was on that a DE ( including Person ) were off starting from play 1.
Vaval would still do the returns, and play as the extra DB.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 09:35:11 PMShould have been a penalty IMO, Campbell intentionally picked him up and threw him to the ground.
That was 100% a penalty. Wrestling moves like suplex are explicitly named in the rule book. You cannot pick a guy up and then body slam him to the turf. We've seen this flagged before. It's very dangerous for tiny or skinny returners.
I was livid at the game they weren't flagging it.
I'm guessing he's ok, though sore. However, you can possibly break an upper-body bone from that. That would be disaster, though we do have "runs slow and scared" Logan to take over.
Expecting a blowout loss if Collaros is out.
BLM and that receiving core are going to torch the depleted secondary. 40 points.
BLM has dialed-out days. We can hope this is one of them. :-\
I would find a way to get our top DBs on Kenny. You don't need 2, but you need a top one matched. The problem is Kenny is wide, but Vaval/Lawson won't cut it. So either Houston comes in and takes his coverage, or you find a way to get Holm/Nichols to play wide (yes, sounds crazy, but the alternative...).
HAM is a hot/cold team, which is strange because they are very well balanced. They are a well-built well-GM'd team.
It'll be a tough out. To beat them without any pass-rush, you'll need to put up a ton of points. Zach will need to be in and we'll have to find some way to get protection.
Simple game plan.
Bull rush Lawson and JT up the gut, with Jones hot on their tails. Free trip into the back field, and hunt down BLM. Ends have to contain. Maybe Kramdi off the edge as well.
A couple sacks and BLM is going to be hearing footsteps.
Can backfire if he gets it off quick, or lays it out for Lawler to run under. FS has to be eyes on BLM and anticipate the quick deeproute throw and cut under it.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 08, 2025, 04:45:27 PMSimple game plan.
Bull rush Lawson and JT up the gut, with Jones hot on their tails. Free trip into the back field, and hunt down BLM. Ends have to contain. Maybe Kramdi off the edge as well.
A couple sacks and BLM is going to be hearing footsteps.
Can backfire if he gets it off quick, or lays it out for Lawler to run under. FS has to be eyes on BLM and anticipate the quick deeproute throw and cut under it.
While that sounds like a plan doubt ol JT or Lawson can do much of a bull rush these days. Ol JT bless his sole, is way way past his best before date.
And I doubt the Bomber OL will be able to do much against any average DL. And if we have to rely on our back up QB we are done like dinner.
I'm glad I'll be out of town and unable to watch this game on Friday.
Go Blue, though - or something.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 08, 2025, 04:52:10 PMI'm glad I'll be out of town and unable to watch this game on Friday.
Go Blue, though - or something.
I fully support the "or something" ;D
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 09:35:11 PMShould have been a penalty IMO, Campbell intentionally picked him up and threw him to the ground.
No penalty, it was a text book executed form tackle, exactly like they teach it. Wish our guys could tackle like this.
Quote from: BBRT on September 08, 2025, 04:50:55 PMWhile that sounds like a plan doubt ol JT or Lawson can do much of a bull rush these days. Ol JT bless his sole, is way way past his best before date.
And I doubt the Bomber OL will be able to do much against any average DL. And if we have to rely on our back up QB we are done like dinner.
JT absolutely hammered Harris last game, don't could old Jake out yet, he pulled rushed well on that play and can still do it contrary to what some of his critics suggest, yes not often but he can still do it
Quote from: Ducky on September 08, 2025, 05:15:46 AMExpecting a blowout loss if Collaros is out.
BLM and that receiving core are going to torch the depleted secondary. 40 points.
We don't have a depleted secondary imo, we have retooled and look ok
Yes Bo could shred our unit or any for that matter
But we could also get to him and provide enough looks to slow the high powered offense down
Those that are wavering in the support of the blue don't give up so easy, when the team is down, that's when they need you the most
Down but not out
Lots of rounds left
To those that are still positive and believe.... I tip my cap to you. Just like pre mini dynasty I appreciate the positive vibes. Not all doom and gloom now just like before our epic run. Similar core still here. Just need to get off the mat and crush a few teams.
for those of you versed in offensive plays, I was wondering why we dont utilize Clercius more in a tightend set or even Chris Ike, to me it helps with protection and run blocking as well as giving our qb an outlet pass
|As an added benefit it allows Mitchell to play wideout. (would have helped in that rush that Zac got creamed)
What we are doing isn't working so why not?
Also 6 man offensive line sets, Hamilton uses this a whole lot and you can see the success blm has, or even two backs, the lack of adjustments to a dline rush that is killing us is mystifying
Quote from: Pete on September 08, 2025, 09:50:03 PMfor those of you versed in offensive plays, I was wondering why we dont utilize Clercius more in a tightend set or even Chris Ike, to me it helps with protection and run blocking as well as giving our qb an outlet pass
|As an added benefit it allows Mitchell to play wideout. (would have helped in that rush that Zac got creamed)
What we are doing isn't working so why not?
Also 6 man offensive line sets, Hamilton uses this a whole lot and you can see the success blm has, or even two backs, the lack of adjustments to a dline rush that is killing us is mystifying
This. Something has to be done. That we've had whatever wins and offensive production we've had to this point is a testament to the veteran prowess and sheer desire of Zach, Nick, and Brady. Gee whiz, every down Zach is either firing the ball out right away to anyone, taking a sack, or running for his life (or at least his playing career). Harris and VA, on the other hand, can have a cup of coffee before they have to throw.
Pass pro is hands down the biggest problem with this team. It has to fixed or we ain't going far.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 08, 2025, 09:36:30 PMJT absolutely hammered Harris last game, don't could old Jake out yet, he pulled rushed well on that play and can still do it contrary to what some of his critics suggest, yes not often but he can still do it
We don't have a depleted secondary imo, we have retooled and look ok
Yes Bo could shred our unit or any for that matter
But we could also get to him and provide enough looks to slow the high powered offense down
Those that are wavering in the support of the blue don't give up so easy, when the team is down, that's when they need you the most
Down but not out
Lots of rounds left
To those that are still positive and believe.... I tip my cap to you. Just like pre mini dynasty I appreciate the positive vibes. Not all doom and gloom now just like before our epic run. Similar core still here. Just need to get off the mat and crush a few teams.
While I wish I could agree with you IMHO at least there just is not enough talent on both sides of the ball to feel comfortable. I do not blame any player as such, although there are a few on the roster that are just a little "stale dated". Where I place the blame is squarely on the Bomber Management Team for a terrible job of recruiting and finding the players necessary for success. We lost a lot of talent from 2024 and did not find the necessary talent to fill the void.
My thoughts on roster changes for this game:
1. Houston replaces Vaval at CB
2. Vaval is the returner and possible back up DB however we have Griffin, Allen and Woodbey as well.
3. Echols replaces Mitchell.
4. Makonzo gets added but not sure who comes out but probably Ball.
I don't know if Wallace is still nicked and not up to starting at LG. Also not sure if Vanterpool should continue to be the starter at LB but I lean that way going forward.
That leaves a ratio issue with keeping Vaval as a returner while adding Houston. I said it last week but Person and Woodbey should stay on the AR. That means Ayers needs to come off.
The alternative is that Echols can also be the returner as well as starting at receiver. I think that's a lot to put on a new receiver doing double duty. I'd be against that in theory.
If Collaros is out ( expected ) then none of this other stuff really matters.
Obviously we need to get back on the winning trail. I have my doubts at the moment because of the Collaros issue.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 08, 2025, 11:23:34 PMMy thoughts on roster changes for this game:
1. Houston replaces Vaval at CB
2. Vaval is the returner and possible back up DB however we have Griffin, Allen and Woodbey as well.
3. Echols replaces Mitchell.
4. Makonzo gets added but not sure who comes out but probably Ball.
I don't know if Wallace is still nicked and not up to starting at LG. Also not sure if Vanterpool should continue to be the starter at LB but I lean that way going forward.
That leaves a ratio issue with keeping Vaval as a returner while adding Houston. I said it last week but Person and Woodbey should stay on the AR. That means Ayers needs to come off.
The alternative is that Echols can also be the returner as well as starting at receiver. I think that's a lot to put on a new receiver doing double duty. I'd be against that in theory.
If Collaros is out ( expected ) then none of this other stuff really matters.
Obviously we need to get back on the winning trail. I have my doubts at the moment because of the Collaros issue.
Hard to argue with much but not sure about Echols mostly because I don't know him but not interested at him returning.
Every week we wonder about Ayers, and OShea continues to play him
Wonder if he was looking at another team and saw them dress 10 linebackers and only 6 dline, and no backup dbs other than safeties what his thoughts would be.,
Quote from: Pete on September 09, 2025, 12:40:32 AMEvery week we wonder about Ayers, and OShea continues to play him
Wonder if he was looking at another team and saw them dress 10 linebackers and only 6 dline, and no backup dbs other than safeties what his thoughts would be.,
Ayers is a good player
We dress backup Dbs as they are available
Our linebackers are versatile and a pillar of strength for our club
MOS is a excellent coach and so is our DC and they don't care or need to look what other clubs are doing
We do what's best for our club each week
We dress different numbers of DL as needed and available
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 01:34:07 AMAyers is a good player
We dress backup Dbs as they are available
Our linebackers are versatile and a pillar of strength for our club
MOS is a excellent coach and so is our DC and they don't care or need to look what other clubs are doing
We do what's best for our club each week
We dress different numbers of DL as needed and available
uhuh but that wasnt my question
Quote from: Pete on September 09, 2025, 02:40:22 AMuhuh but that wasnt my question
Ayers is a good player but CFL rosters are subject to the ratio and trying to find players that are the most versatile to use as DI's. Allen and Woodbey are getting all sorts of defensive reps and looking quite good. Ayers was getting some reps but seems to have been passed for those reps.
I don't see either of those players to be removed, so it's a choice of Vanterpool or Ayers from my point of view.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 02:46:30 AMAyers is a good player but CFL rosters are subject to the ratio and trying to find players that are the most versatile to use as DI's. Allen and Woodbey are getting all sorts of defensive reps and looking quite good. Ayers was getting some reps but seems to have been passed for those reps.
I don't see either of those players to be removed, so it's a choice of Vanterpool or Ayers from my point of view.
Agree I wouldn't take our Allen or Woodbey. Tough decisions again this week.
Quote from: Pete on September 09, 2025, 02:40:22 AMuhuh but that wasnt my question
I provided my take on what you said and challenged your viewpoint
I have no idea what your question was
my point really was that sometimes you cant see the forest for the trees. if the bomber coaching staff was looking at the big picture wed have a bit more balance to our roster. Ayers may be a good player, but the manner in which we are currently using him brings into question whether that spot would be better utilized elsewhere. (consider last game 0 tackles)
Quote from: Pete on September 09, 2025, 03:34:14 AMmy point really was that sometimes you cant see the forest for the trees. if the bomber coaching staff was looking at the big picture wed have a bit more balance to our roster. Ayers may be a good player, but the manner in which we are currently using him brings into question whether that spot would be better utilized elsewhere. (consider last game 0 tackles)
Ayers on the roster or not is a small factor imo. I don't see why he is so debated. I liked him last year and can understand why we play him. If there is a better option going forward I'm sure we will consider it. Might be harder for him to remain on the roster as the season progresses.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 08, 2025, 11:23:34 PM3. Echols replaces Mitchell.
I don't know if Wallace is still nicked and not up to starting at LG. Also not sure if Vanterpool should continue to be the starter at LB but I lean that way going forward.
I don't see what Echols buys us vs Mitchell who has been here since TC, but take a flyer, who knows. Doubt it happens unless someone else "low efforted it" that week.
Wallace: you didn't see my GDT report? Wallace was in jumbo at times, road grading, etc. I think he's 100% fine and the GTD was a MOS Magic Switcharoo. How often do you see a GDT be a "nay" and they still play??
Quote from: Pete on September 08, 2025, 09:50:03 PMfor those of you versed in offensive plays, I was wondering why we dont utilize Clercius more in a tightend set or even Chris Ike, to me it helps with protection and run blocking as well as giving our qb an outlet pass
Ike does come in somewhat. Not sure about last game because we had our "normal" 2 jumbos available, and they did come in at times.
As for Clercius: we often bring RECs into the box in motion or post-snap to pass protect. OFTEN. However, Clercius is WR, widest out on the widest side of the field, and it's very hard to fake him being a WR then get him into the box in time to help. AND he's often the end, needing to make sure he doesn't motion off the line.
In theory it sounds good, but maybe it's good enough with Wheatie/Demski handling most of that box duty? (Yes, Emperor has like 50 lbs on those dudes...)
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 08, 2025, 09:36:30 PMThose that are wavering in the support of the blue don't give up so easy, when the team is down, that's when they need you the most
Well said. This is so often forgotten. People love to kick them when they're down. Like that will help anything.
Same reason I will NEVER boo my Bombers at a game. I didn't when Brohm chucked every ball straight into the turf. I won't now.
Quote from: Horseman on September 08, 2025, 09:28:51 PMNo penalty, it was a text book executed form tackle, exactly like they teach it.
I don't know. Another foot lifting off the ground and it's likely a penalty. I've seen similar things flagged before. It's literally in the rule book as a foul. But I guess the dude just didn't lift him "high enough". Vaval should have done the Cody Writhing Trick. Might have drawn it then...
Quote from: BBRT on September 08, 2025, 04:50:55 PMWhile that sounds like a plan doubt ol JT or Lawson can do much of a bull rush these days. Ol JT bless his sole, is way way past his best before date.
Uh, Fatboi's ONLY super power is the bull rush. If it's a passing play he's usually the only one pushing anyone anywhere. And he often gets right beside the QB. Problem is he can't shed that block...
I posit he's our best bull rusher at the moment, inclusive of all the IMPs on PR.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2025, 07:35:33 AMWell said. This is so often forgotten. People love to kick them when they're down. Like that will help anything.
Same reason I will NEVER boo my Bombers at a game. I didn't when Brohm chucked every ball straight into the turf. I won't now.
They certainly do my friend. Seen that story before. Love the attitude. I do boo at times, cool that you don't. Funny memory there.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2025, 07:31:18 AMI don't see what Echols buys us vs Mitchell who has been here since TC, but take a flyer, who knows. Doubt it happens unless someone else "low efforted it" that week.
Wallace: you didn't see my GDT report? Wallace was in jumbo at times, road grading, etc. I think he's 100% fine and the GTD was a MOS Magic Switcharoo. How often do you see a GDT be a "nay" and they still play??
Echols may or may not be the answer. Preferably Sterns is back very soon. This issue is that Mitchell has 83 yards total over 5 games. I don't know exactly what the problem is for him. Play calling, not able to find open spaces or no confidence from Collaros. Noting that he couldn't even get on the AR for 7 games?
That indicates a needed change. Echols is the only import option if Sterns is still injured.
IMO any change is a good change at the moment. Echols, Cobb or even Corcoran have to be considered. At least that gives us other options due to the ratio advantage.
Practice today from 11:35 - 12:55. We will see if ZC8 is on the field taking 1st. team reps.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 09, 2025, 02:03:21 PMPractice today from 11:35 - 12:55. We will see if ZC8 is on the field taking 1st. team reps.
Everyone cross fingers and toes!!!!
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 01:04:30 PMEchols may or may not be the answer. Preferably Sterns is back very soon. This issue is that Mitchell has 83 yards total over 5 games. I don't know exactly what the problem is for him. Play calling, not able to find open spaces or no confidence from Collaros. Noting that he couldn't even get on the AR for 7 games?
That indicates a needed change. Echols is the only import option if Sterns is still injured.
IMO any change is a good change at the moment. Echols, Cobb or even Corcoran have to be considered. At least that gives us other options due to the ratio advantage.
Good point about the ratio
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 01:04:30 PMEchols may or may not be the answer. Preferably Sterns is back very soon. This issue is that Mitchell has 83 yards total over 5 games. I don't know exactly what the problem is for him. Play calling, not able to find open spaces or no confidence from Collaros. Noting that he couldn't even get on the AR for 7 games?
That indicates a needed change. Echols is the only import option if Sterns is still injured.
IMO any change is a good change at the moment. Echols, Cobb or even Corcoran have to be considered. At least that gives us other options due to the ratio advantage.
At 83 yards in 5 games I would have replaced him with a Canadian WR, and used that American spot for a DT.
Outside of Demski, production is down across the board on offense. I mean, for goodness sake, Oliveira is third in receiving yards.
Of course the players gotta show up and execute, but as a whole, the offense should be better than this. I'm putting the bulk of the blame on the OC, who's clearly shown he can't gameplan proficiently, much less make adjustments in-game.
It's sickening.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 09, 2025, 02:08:10 PMAt 83 yards in 5 games I would have replaced him with a Canadian WR, and used that American spot for a DT.
Make a good point but Mitchell had a good game in Sask
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 09, 2025, 02:15:23 PMOutside of Demski, production is down across the board on offense. I mean, for goodness sake, Oliveira is third in receiving yards.
Of course the players gotta show up and execute, but as a whole, the offense should be better than this. I'm putting the bulk of the blame on the OC, who's clearly shown he can't gameplan proficiently, much less make adjustments in-game.
It's sickening.
I think it's on the OL but OC a factor yes
I think O is slowly coming to life
The current defense I believe could be very good with just a few tweaks:
1 Houston in for Vaval
2. Woods or Adams in
3 in the 3 dline scheme disguise which linebacker rushes. Currently we often just line one up and its obvious who they have to block.
Based on our personnel the use of the 3 dl 4 lb set up makes sense and forces other teams out of their normal setups
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 09, 2025, 02:15:23 PMOutside of Demski, production is down across the board on offense. I mean, for goodness sake, Oliveira is third in receiving yards.
Of course the players gotta show up and execute, but as a whole, the offense should be better than this. I'm putting the bulk of the blame on the OC, who's clearly shown he can't gameplan proficiently, much less make adjustments in-game.
It's sickening.
well said! Truth!
Quote from: Pigskin on September 09, 2025, 02:08:10 PMAt 83 yards in 5 games I would have replaced him with a Canadian WR, and used that American spot for a DT.
That's a decent option. The thing is we don't know how long Sterns will be unavailable. He's on the 1 game IR which is encouraging but not definitive either. Echols has some CFL experience but I haven't heard much about how is looking in practice.
If neither are choices for this week, then adding Woods or Adams is not the worst idea.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 03:08:35 PMThat's a decent option. The thing is we don't know how long Sterns will be unavailable. He's on the 1 game IR which is encouraging but not definitive either. Echols has some CFL experience but I haven't heard much about how is looking in practice.
If neither are choices for this week, then adding Woods or Adams is not the worst idea.
I want Woods I want Woods lol
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 08, 2025, 04:44:59 AMThat was 100% a penalty. Wrestling moves like suplex are explicitly named in the rule book. You cannot pick a guy up and then body slam him to the turf. We've seen this flagged before. It's very dangerous for tiny or skinny returners.
I was livid at the game they weren't flagging it.
I'm guessing he's ok, though sore. However, you can possibly break an upper-body bone from that. That would be disaster, though we do have "runs slow and scared" Logan to take over.
Vaval ran into him at full speed. His momentum took him up in the air. Sure he brought him down hard but it's football. That kind of play happens all the time. Score is irrelevant. Guys play hard all game, that's how they're trained. Don't know how you call that a "wrestling move".
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 02:39:15 PMMake a good point but Mitchell had a good game in SaskI think it's on the OL but OC a factor yes
I think O is slowly coming to life
IDK. 3 receptions for 28 yards in Regina. 1 reception in Winnipeg for 6 yards. He did manage to hang on to the ball when hit immediately by Rider DB's so I'll give him that. OTOH, I'm not sure I'd qualify 28 yards by any receiver as a good game unless that included a couple of TD's.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 08, 2025, 04:44:59 AMThat was 100% a penalty. Wrestling moves like suplex are explicitly named in the rule book. You cannot pick a guy up and then body slam him to the turf. We've seen this flagged before. It's very dangerous for tiny or skinny returners.
I was livid at the game they weren't flagging it.
I'm guessing he's ok, though sore. However, you can possibly break an upper-body bone from that. That would be disaster, though we do have "runs slow and scared" Logan to take over.
Campbell weighs 195 lbs. Of the 45 players on the Riders roster there are 3 players that weigh less than him. Campbell is the Riders "skinny guy". The hit was similar to Cadwallader's hit on the 1 yard line in the LDC, also not penalized.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 02:39:15 PMMake a good point but Mitchell had a good game in SaskI think it's on the OL but OC a factor yes
I think O is slowly coming to life
If you consider 28 yards a good game, sure.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 03:09:53 PMI want Woods I want Woods lol
It's interesting that the roster decisions have not led to Woods being on the AR for even one game. Adams has played in 10 games of 12.
I have no idea what the criteria has been for no games for Woods.
That's a question for some that get to practice and can tell us what they see.
Either has to be better than Kornelson as a rotational DT to keep Lawson and Thomas from wearing out.
I'd be curious to see Woods get a chance this week but doubt it happens. We're already between a rock and a hard place figuring out the Houston and Vaval issue with the ratio aspect.
For that matter I'm not totally convinced we even see Houston this week.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2025, 07:34:20 AMIke does come in somewhat. Not sure about last game because we had our "normal" 2 jumbos available, and they did come in at times.
As for Clercius: we often bring RECs into the box in motion or post-snap to pass protect. OFTEN. However, Clercius is WR, widest out on the widest side of the field, and it's very hard to fake him being a WR then get him into the box in time to help. AND he's often the end, needing to make sure he doesn't motion off the line.
In theory it sounds good, but maybe it's good enough with Wheatie/Demski handling most of that box duty? (Yes, Emperor has like 50 lbs on those dudes...)
Corcoran often comes on for Wheatfall or Mitchell in these situations when extra inside blocking is required. If Corcoran was smart he'd follow Woli's playbook to becoming a dependable inside receiver and great blocker, if not he won't find his place.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 09, 2025, 03:44:20 PMCorcoran often comes on for Wheatfall or Mitchell in these situations when extra inside blocking is required. If Corcoran was smart he'd follow Woli's playbook to becoming a dependable inside receiver and great blocker, if not he won't find his place.
Excellent assessment
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 03:18:35 PMIt's interesting that the roster decisions have not led to Woods being on the AR for even one game. Adams has played in 10 games of 12.
I have no idea what the criteria has been for no games for Woods.
That's a question for some that get to practice and can tell us what they see.
Either has to be better than Kornelson as a rotational DT to keep Lawson and Thomas from wearing out.
I'd be curious to see Woods get a chance this week but doubt it happens. We're already between a rock and a hard place figuring out the Houston and Vaval issue with the ratio aspect.
For that matter I'm not totally convinced we even see Houston this week.
Agree both pts
Quote from: Pigskin on September 09, 2025, 03:16:00 PMIf you consider 28 yards a good game, sure.
I consider his game in Sask and good 1st step, followed by a poor showing
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 03:49:20 PMExcellent assessment Agree both ptsI consider his game in Sask and good 1st step, followed by a poor showing
If Mitchell had the 1st Rider game earlier in the season he'd have more leeway. Not being able to get onto the AR for so long takes that away. We've only got 6 games left and based on his 1st 5 games, that window should be closed.
Keeping in mind he was signed on a 1 year deal for $148K with a lot of that up front. He needed to be be an impact immediately not slowly as a developmental player.
Compare that to Sterns output for $90K.
My 2 cents.....
On defence we are good enough to win.....we need to improve the D-line, and if you stand back, we have a-lot of new faces in eth secondary and it is actually doing good, imagine when the get comfortable and get chemistry/figure out who is the best where.....our depth other than LB is thin
On specials...ya Sergio had a tough game, but our specials are good enough to win, and have won games for us.....million dollar question though are we prioritizing special teams depth to the detriment of other parts of teh roster?
Om offence we are not good enough to win.....Zach has been beaten and smacked around all year, Streveler is coming off MAJOR knee surgery and nowhere near 100%...Schoen well we all know, just is not healthy...Our receivers really are not that bad, they are good enough to win IMO...yes they got really thin a week or so ago, but we brought in Echols, Moore and Pokey...released Moore (I think he is too damaged to be productive any longer)....our oline has been poor this year, no sugar coating it they are not playing well enough to win. Our RB's are great and we have proper depth....IMO the OC is not setting the guys we have up for success...We need to be netter on the o-line, we need some better talent, and equally as important we need a better scheme....
Roster and roster usage, has been questionable at times...I am not sure if we always have/had the right guys on the roster.....Mitchel, Housten, Woods, Adams, Allen, Schmekle etc....
Depth.....weak in many spots.....we have drafted seemingly for special teams and built depth at LB and CDN safeties seemingly for specials.....but I do question just how many spots we allocated for this and the level of payroll and talent used.....when our O-line, D-line, receivers (up till recently) are so thin and really low on talent or relegated to the PR (I'm sorry I know we need to roster a certain number of Canadians, but I will die on teh hill that Korn does not give us more than Woods or Adams does)
Long winded I know....but to beat teams like Sask, Cal, and yes Hammy we need to better along both lines and our schemes/playcalls on offence need to be better....
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 03:58:22 PMIf Mitchell had the 1st Rider game earlier in the season he'd have more leeway. Not being able to get onto the AR for so long takes that away. We've only got 6 games left and based on his 1st 5 games, that window should be closed.
All depends what Echols is showing them in practice and Sterns recovery, there's always the hope Mitchell can return to the form he showed with the Elks, whether he can or not depends a lot on Zach's health status. Mitchell has already spent time in the doghouse for not being prepared at the start of the season, I think they'll hold onto him in a backup capacity for the rest of the season at this point.
Strevler taking first team reps, Zach in sweatpants on the sidelines.
Quote from: Mick on September 09, 2025, 04:41:28 PMStrevler taking first team reps, Zach in sweatpants on the sidelines.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 03:58:22 PMIf Mitchell had the 1st Rider game earlier in the season he'd have more leeway. Not being able to get onto the AR for so long takes that away. We've only got 6 games left and based on his 1st 5 games, that window should be closed.
Keeping in mind he was signed on a 1 year deal for $148K with a lot of that up front. He needed to be be an impact immediately not slowly as a developmental player.
Compare that to Sterns output for $90K.
Can't argue with that. Didn't know we got Sterns for $90!!!!
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PJ don't panic but he is now. Where is Peavy Mart when I need it!!!!
Quote from: Mick on September 09, 2025, 04:41:28 PMStrevler taking first team reps, Zach in sweatpants on the sidelines.
This is not a surprise. The question is whether Collaros can play this week, is moved to 1 game IR or 6 game IR. I'm not expecting him to play but whether he's finished for the season and / or his career is a bit up in the air.
Bombers never seem to make those announcements early. The Stamps OTOH announced a season ending injury to one of their star DL.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 04:49:51 PMCan't argue with that. Didn't know we got Sterns for $90!!!!
Check the " Unofficial roster " string. It has contract duration and cost for most players. I was looking at that this morning. As usual we have most of our roster as potential free agents. It's not unusual in an era of 1 year contract but it's alarming at the same time.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 04:57:30 PMCheck the " Unofficial roster " string. It has contract duration and cost for most players. I was looking at that this morning. As usual we have most of our roster as potential free agents. It's not unusual in an era of 1 year contract but it's alarming at the same time.
Nice never have checked that sticky
Anybody have updates from practice? I've only heard that Parker and Sterns were running sprints but not practising. Doesn't seem they will play this week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 08:08:41 PMAnybody have updates from practice? I've only heard that Parker and Sterns were running sprints but not practising. Doesn't seem they will play this week.
Good sign though!
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 08:16:58 PMGood sign though!
Could mean they start to practice next week and be ready two weeks down the road.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 08:35:20 PMCould mean they start to practice next week and be ready two weeks down the road.
Agree
The fact that Colleros did not practice today was no surprise. Zach doesn't need to practice this week and could start anyways. The fact that Colleros wasn't even dressed at practice is concerning though.
Nichols and K. Wilson also listed as " DNP " today. That's not good. It does pose an interesting question about who would start at WIL if he doesn't play.
If Nichols is out, I'm not sure how they make that adjustment. Some combination of Griffin, Kramdi and Makonzo?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 09:21:28 PMNichols and K. Wilson also listed as " DNP " today. That's not good. It does pose an interesting question about who would start at WIL if he doesn't play.
If Nichols is out, I'm not sure how they make that adjustment. Some combination of Griffin, Kramdi and Makonzo?
If just Wilson is out would be Cadwallader, Woodbey and Griffin maybe rotating. If both are out we got trouble. Couple key cogs there.
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Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 10:01:08 PMIf just Wilson is out would be Cadwallader, Woodbey and Griffin maybe rotating. If both are out we got trouble. Couple key cogs there.
IMO J. Jones would be added and starting at WIL.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 10:17:45 PMIMO J. Jones would be added and starting at WIL.
Wasn't Ayers the heir apparent for the WIL spot?
Quote from: Slingin Sammy on September 09, 2025, 11:10:40 PMWasn't Ayers the heir apparent for the WIL spot?
Last year he was but IMO he's been passed on the depth chart for that role. We're paying J. Jones $120K.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 11:28:22 PMLast year he was but IMO he's been passed on the depth chart for that role. We're paying J. Jones $120K.
To be honest forgot about him. Yes he would be the natural fit. Good call. Forgot to look at PR for depth.
So D. Lawson moves inside to DB with Houston at CB. Yes, I guess that would be the logical plan if Nichols can't play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 10, 2025, 01:36:04 AMSo D. Lawson moves inside to DB with Houston at CB. Yes, I guess that would be the logical plan if Nichols can't play.
It seems no one other than Nichols or Holm has played HB for years, can't remember the last time either missed a game. Tricky putting a rookie in that spot, Griffin might be the better fit. Not worried yet about any of the nicked up players other than Zach, expect most of them to play in Hamilton. Without Zach they might as well all stay home and keep him company.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 09, 2025, 04:52:25 PMThis is not a surprise. The question is whether Collaros can play this week, is moved to 1 game IR or 6 game IR.
What's the deadline for Zach to 1GIR? I assume we'll just do the "GTD" trick for Zach again (and he starts) if he's not IR'd. All depends if we deem this a "6 day waiting period" hit or a "13 day waiting period" one. That's really the only 2 options, besides retirement.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 09, 2025, 04:19:36 PMAll depends what Echols is showing them in practice and Sterns recovery, there's always the hope Mitchell can return to the form he showed with the Elks
From memory, D.Mitchell was always a one-trick pony in first 2 seasons: the home run hitter. Give him a mid/deep ball and he'll be wide open for TD, or he'll make 1 guy miss. I don't recall him ever being used to make tough catches in heavy traffic.
I'm not sure WFC can use Mitchell the way he's designed. Especially since we have 3+ other home run hitters who are probably better.
I think the best way to Mitchell to succeed here is to keep using him inside then later in the game you take the home run shot when everyone has become accustomed to cheating up on his short route. Not sure it's worth a roster spot just for that, though.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on September 09, 2025, 04:09:48 PMOn specials...ya Sergio had a tough game, but our specials are good enough to win, and have won games for us.....million dollar question though are we prioritizing special teams depth to the detriment of other parts of teh roster?
On that point: do we have the best ST cover team in the league? Has anyone busted one on us yet? Are we the team with least-busts given up on ST?
So even if our O sucks rocks, at least our ST isn't! Now, if Vaval could bust 2-3 every game, we'd have something cooking!
Quote from: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on September 09, 2025, 03:14:59 PMCampbell weighs 195 lbs. Of the 45 players on the Riders roster there are 3 players that weigh less than him. Campbell is the Riders "skinny guy". The hit was similar to Cadwallader's hit on the 1 yard line in the LDC, also not penalized.
On Cadwall's great hit the dude jumped high in the air to try a hurdle or something. Vaval wasn't jumping anywhere. Cadwall didn't lift him any higher than he was already going, and the main hit force was on the actual hit, not the slam to the turf.
Quote from: gordo on September 09, 2025, 03:10:22 PMVaval ran into him at full speed. His momentum took him up in the air.
My wife ran into my fist, I swear! Her fault!
Quote from: gordo on September 09, 2025, 03:10:22 PMSure he brought him down hard but it's football. That kind of play happens all the time. Score is irrelevant. Guys play hard all game, that's how they're trained. Don't know how you call that a "wrestling move".
From cfldb:
Suplex Tackle
An unnecessary roughness major foul (Rule 7 — Fouls & Penalties – Section 2 — Major Fouls – Article 3 — Unnecessary Roughness Point (r)) for
throwing the ball carrier to the ground. The term "suplex tackle" does not appear in the rulebook, instead it is a
lexicalized concept that summarizes the idea of this rule.
Taken from wrestling terminology, a suplex is a move involving
lifting an opponent and bridging or rolling the opponent to slam them on their back.
Sounds like a great description of what the SSK guy did to Vaval!
Strangely, I could have sworn "suplex" was actually stated in the rule book in prior years as an example like an "e.g." or "i.e." point. The current book doesn't have it. And yes, cfldb isn't authoritative. I'll see if I can dig up my prior-year rules.
The only thing currently in the book is in the "RTP" section, where they protect QB against "violently throwing them to the ground".
If the dude had lifted Vaval 1 more foot off the ground 100% they would have flagged it. They have every other time it's happened.
P.S. In a "form tackle" the D would go down and land with the returner, not extend him out and slam just him to the ground while the D guy is still standing.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 09, 2025, 02:08:10 PMAt 83 yards in 5 games I would have replaced him with a Canadian WR, and used that American spot for a DT.
Hindsight... I think we had much higher hopes when ARing him.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 12:47:41 PMThey certainly do my friend. Seen that story before. Love the attitude. I do boo at times, cool that you don't. Funny memory there.
The Brohm turf fest is forever burned in my brain, associated with great pain and suffering. I wake up with cold sweats every other night thinking Brohm is in my room threatening to start for the Bombers! Slow-motion quiet-scream: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
You know I don't say this much and it takes a lot to get me to sway this way but I think we are cooked for this game.
Collaros should be out, for his own good at the least, and even if he is in he has reverted to being a pick machine again. I have zero faith in this coaching staff especially Hogan who seems to have been an epic failure. Younger brings nothing special this year either. Sergio has reverted back to his inconsistent kicking and our return game is dormant again.
MOS seems to like to run it back even when things have repeatedly proven to just not work. His stubbornness is reaching limitless proportions. That is a real shame.
I can Lawler and Howdie Doodie ripping the D a new one in this game.
Maybe, Goldie, maybe not. SSK creamed HAM, and we hung in with SSK in both games until Zach was toast. TOR beat HAM, and we beat TOR once.
Last week was the week of underdogs. Shows that anything can happen.
On paper it looks like we'll get destroyed. It'll be hard to bet WPG even if bookies give 3.5.
But the coaches/coords have to know the heat comin' their way if they don't produce. Maybe they'll actually work this week, instead of sipping margaritas on the dock.
Strev, Hogan & Co are like "it's a long season, lots of ball to be played still", but the amount of ball left is dwindling fast and our W rivals are literally running away with it.
You'd have to think there'd be some extra impetus this week. Then more the next week, should we lose. They just have to find a way. Even if it's "just Strev". (I think it'll be Zach.)
Be an interesting game to watch with the differences in the offences,
Hamilton being way more passed base, utilizes more 6 man fronts and at times 2 backs and often a much tighter reciever formation to the ball. ( They actually try to protect blm unique idea I know)
We for the most part, (other than with Demski) either hand ball to Brady or drop back til qb has to bail out
Huge advantage with Milanovich over Hogan
Nice to see Nichols and Wilson practiced
Gives us hope if our leader is healthy enough to play as well
If not I would like to see Wilson get a package or two. Throws a nice deep ball.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 10, 2025, 09:08:11 PMNice to see Nichols and Wilson practiced
Gives us hope of our leader is healthy enough to play as well
If not I would like to see Wilson get a package or two. Throws a nice deep ball.
Zach? The injury report shows he's not playing this Friday.
I don't think many of us expected Collaros to play this week. It's the bigger question we don't know about his future. I find it hard to believe he won't end up on the 6 game IR. Knocked out of 3 games and wasn't allowed to play in two others as a result.
That doesn't sound good from a health point of view and that's more important than the football aspect.
I wish him well.
Quote from: gobombersgo on September 10, 2025, 09:17:40 PMZach? The injury report shows he's not playing this Friday.
My post was confusing (typo) I changed to if healthy, which like BinBC says is likely doubtful for a variety of reasons. One can dream. My point was if both these guys play and someone Zach does, hope is back.
Seen that Streveler announced as the starter. Get healthy soon Zach and hopefully not on the 6 game!!!!
I'd give Strev the first quarter or two do move the ball, if he doesn't, and we're getting killed, by god, please put Wilson in and see what he can do.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 10, 2025, 09:23:25 PMI don't think many of us expected Collaros to play this week. It's the bigger question we don't know about his future. I find it hard to believe he won't end up on the 6 game IR. Knocked out of 3 games and wasn't allowed to play in two others as a result.
What's the actual CFL deadline for placing a guy on the 6GIR to still get credit for the week? Right before the game's AR comes out? Or earlier?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 11, 2025, 10:39:48 AMWhat's the actual CFL deadline for placing a guy on the 6GIR to still get credit for the week? Right before the game's AR comes out? Or earlier?
I would imagine it's this morning when game rosters are declared. Some players like Wilson or Nichols could be moved to 1 game IR, so moving someone to 6 game IR falls into the same action.
The other question is when a player is moved versus when it's announced. That never seems to be in real time.