On TSN 2 former Bombers are suggesting Zach Collaros should retire
'Zach Collaros should never play football again': Milt Stegall calls for Bombers' QB to retire after Banjo Bowl exit.
I was thinking of making a poll on this but this will work
I believe Milt over reacted their a bit but so did other panel members
My response is similar to MOS, concern about the person at the moment.
Get the medical info and make an informed decision on your health at that point which would include a risk assessment
I sure hope he is OK and can be healthy even for a season or two.
My concern for Zach is his neck 1st but hard to ignore the concussion risk. A tough night and difficult and complex decision. I think he just does what he has his entire life, bounce back. Positive vibes in hard times.
I think having a Rookie OC is part of the problem , I remember when Paul Lapo joined the Bombers watching the Bombers practice he was constantly working on Protections for the QB quick plays etc and under Buck there was less focus on that and with the New OC it seems even less. Without a proper Offensive Scheme to start with protecting the QB you are asking for your QB to get hit more than they should. The combination of the decline of talent on the OL and the inexperience of the OC it a recipe for the QB to get hurt and now this is the 3rd time this season Zach hasn't been able to finish the game. And its also clear the Bombers are not prepared when they 2nd string QB comes into the game. If it was up to me I would replace the OC with Jackson and they don't even have to tell anyone if they want to save face. If Zach can't continue that would be very unfortunate he was playing very prior to the 2 INTs and the keep shot, but we don't have a QB on the Roster than can come close to replacing Zach. It going to be touch to watch from here on if Zach isn't to play...
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2025, 03:36:04 AMI was thinking of making a poll on this but this will work
I believe Milt over reacted their a bit but so did other panel members
My response is similar to MOS, concern about the person at the moment.
Get the medical info and make an informed decision on your health at that point which would include a risk assessment
I sure hope he is OK and can be healthy even with a season or two.
My concern for Zach is his neck.
I don't think todays injury is a neck injury, I agree I am concerned with Zach's health as well. Zach was amazing in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 ( regular season only in ( 2021 , 2022, 2023 ) however in 2024 and 2025 Zach isn't the same player and i don't blame him for all of the decline part of it is on the OC's buck and the current OC an as well a big decline in the Oline play.
Zach lives and dies on the back of his OL which has under preformed, had injuries and hasn't been consistent
Keep Hogan
Get healthy on the OL
Rejig the play book
Learn from mistakes
Brady bully ball cures many problems
We live or die with Zach
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 07, 2025, 03:41:23 AMI don't think this is a neck injury at least this time, I agree I am concerned with Zach's health as well he was amazing in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 ( regular season only in 2021 , 2022, 2023 ) however in 2024 and 2025 Zach isn't the same player and i don't blame him for all of the decline part of it is on the Oline play and on the OC's
Agree likely head but worried aggravate neck as well, tbh
Tough spot
A good OL is the pillar of any club
I literally laughed when I heard OShea say he was concerned about zach the person, is he concerned the same way he was for schoen?? That's 2 weeks in a row we ve watched players careers end.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2025, 03:42:35 AMZach lives and dies on the back of his OL which has under preformed, had injuries and hasn't been consistent
Keep Hogan
Get healthy on the OL
Rejig the play book
Learn from mistakes
Brady bully ball cures many problems
We live or die with Zach
Oline is only part of he problem the OC is also responsible for protecting the QB !
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 07, 2025, 03:51:38 AMOline is only part of he problem the OC is also responsible for protecting the QB !
For sure they do yes, schemes play a role
I believe primary concern on O is the OL, key to our success
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2025, 03:57:17 AMFor sure they do yes, schemes play a role
I believe primary concern on O is the OL, key to our success
Yes for sure our OL is a concern however I am not sure how much blame should be on the OC we can only speculate because we don't know what is being Coached / Taught vs the execution, however I strongly suspect with an Rookie OC that more of the blame would be on the OC.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 07, 2025, 04:20:16 AMYes for sure our OL is a concern however I am not sure how much blame should be on the OC we can only speculate because we don't know what is being Coached / Taught vs the execution, however I strongly suspect with an Rookie OC that more of the blame would be on the OC.
OL needs to be above average for Zach, it's been average at best
My key pillar for our club
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2025, 04:22:29 AMOL needs to be above average for Zach, it's been average at best
My key pillar for our club
I agree but lets not forget that its not all on the Oline the Role of the OC in the protection of the QB.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 07, 2025, 04:36:53 AMI agree but lets not forget that its not all on the Oline the Role of the OC in the protection of the QB.
The protection of the QB relies on a complex set of factors primary one for me is OL, RB, FB, coaching, schemes, receiver blocking, match ups etc.
Zach's not retiring unless Zach says he's retiring. To say otherwise is ridiculous. If we just "cut" him somehow, he'd be starting on another team tomorrow. A team that had a top-notch backup, or one whose main QB is long-term IR, would love to have him. Play him until he takes a hit then play your good backup.
Also, a team with a great OL would also love to have him.
My guess is it's more of the same: he'll sit next week for precaution, then be fine the week after. However, I haven't watched the hit on TV yet... I may change my mind if this is the worst hit yet this season. Keep in mind him leaving means nothing: WFC & Zach always have him leave when he takes a sizable head hit.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 07, 2025, 04:46:11 AMZach's not retiring unless Zach says he's retiring. To say otherwise is ridiculous. If we just "cut" him somehow, he'd be starting on another team tomorrow. A team that had a top-notch backup, or one whose main QB is long-term IR, would love to have him. Play him until he takes a hit then play your good backup.
Also, a team with a great OL would also love to have him.
My guess is it's more of the same: he'll sit next week for precaution, then be fine the week after. However, I haven't watched the hit on TV yet... I may change my mind if this is the worst hit yet this season. Keep in mind him leaving means nothing: WFC & Zach always have him leave when he takes a sizable head hit.
Can't argue with anything here nicely said
Agreed its not up to TSN its up to Zach however it wasn't just Milt that said it and O'Shea's comments suggested it might be worse than normal the way he commented. The Bigger Issue is if the Bombers Oline and Protections Schemes of the OC can't protect Zach this will just continue.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 07, 2025, 04:53:45 AMAgreed its not up to TSN its up to Zach however it wasn't just Milt that said it and O'Shea's comments suggested it might be worse than normal the way he commented.
I didn't get that from his video on the bb site. It was more of the normal "no one gives me updates this soon after a game" schtick. Was there something else that makes you think otherwise? The 'OB interview?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 07, 2025, 05:02:25 AMI didn't get that from his video on the bb site. It was more of the normal "no one gives me updates this soon after a game" schtick. Was there something else that makes you think otherwise? The 'OB interview?
The hit didn't look more extreme than any of the others that have knocked him out of games and it certainly wasn't brutal. Incidental (as in it didn't look intentional and was not spearing) helmet to helmet contact, a bit of whiplash action, a sideways collision with the turf but no bounce, and yet he laid there motionless for at least 20 seconds, so some part of that ride knocked him out cold.
Without Zach this team won't even make playoffs.
I often wonder why Zach doesn't get out of the pocket and move around.
It's not up to us but I also think he should retire immediately. His long term health is more important. Knocked out of 3 games in 2025 and forced to miss another game. We don't even know if he'll be " cleared " to play this week and that would be the final straw IMO.
Thanks for all the games but agree to be placed on 6 game IR and call it a career.
Rather than calling for QB's to retire, be it in Wpg or Sask, how about we penalize the plays that cause it? That wasn't even a 25 yarder, why wouldn't teams continue to do those? I predict we'll have the same discussion when let's say someone decides Sask is beatable without Harris and does something about it. Or maybe it will be Dru Brown, but the end is the same, lower quality football.
As far as our oline I see our players in almost every game on tv playing for someone else, I wonder if we could have a better oline with the players we lost than the ones we have left. Here's a radical theory: instead of paying big for running backs or recievers we put the money into the oline. Maybe it's Zach with the clean jersey instead of Harris.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2025, 03:36:04 AMI was thinking of making a poll on this but this will work
I believe Milt over reacted their a bit but so did other panel members
They called for the exact same thing in 2019, more so even.
That was a ferocious hit. Blind sided and unprepared he went sideways about 5 yards. NO ONE is getting up from that. I'll wait and see but I have been saying he's lost something off his arm anyway and I do think it's time, not because of the hit though it certainly doesn't help. More concerning to me is that the Bombers have no succession plan. Strev has been winning at about .500 which is were we stand right now anyway.
I was of the personal opinion that Zach should retire long before he became a Bomber. Multiple, consecutive whole seasons lost due to officially diagnosed concussions, not "neck injuries".
Then he had an entire Hall of Fame career with us afterwards.
I have no opinion other than I hope the best for Zach and his family and will be glad to have him as our QB for as long as he chooses to play.
I think Milton over reacted for sure. If you look at the hit, reavis didn't drill him with his helmet directly, there was contact, but he basically hit him in the chest and their helmets did make contact but it wasn't a direct headshot. I honestly think he ll play this week.
But if he has true concussion symptoms of the head aches and sick to his stomach, then I'd agree with milt, pack it in already, you owe this team and us fans nothing, don't compromise your long term quality of life for a couple more football games, go on the 6 game IR and cash out and thanks for the last 5 years!!
He's done. Someone needs to have the conversation with him. Been saying this all season. It's not just the injury concern, it's the pricetag for the production. It's not there anymore. He had a great game on Labour Day but there are far more valleys and middling performances than there are peaks.
He's our best chance this year but let's roll the dice with Wilson next week and start looking at what we can do for 2026.
Well, Milt is correct. Concussions are cumulative. Zac's brain was battered when he came here, and now it must be one big bruise. It's time to start planning for the future.
Drugs contract in Ottawa has to be over soon.
Calgarys back up looks like he should be a starter
Arbuckle is competent, and shouldn't play second string to Kelly. Or more likely, Kelly will just start no matter what, and Arbuckle should be relegated to the bench.
The o-line is extremely bad. Just watch it. They really don't pass block but rather are just run by, and are like turnstiles.
Upon reflection, the Bombers have lost I would guess it's five former players who went elsewhere for more money. The contracts are not guaranteed, regarding Schoen, who'll be a free agent anyway, Stan is old age home retiree material. In some other cases, some DNs are just plain overpaid, and should not be professionals. They can't tackle.
We are overdue for other catastrophic injuries. Zac, Brady, Stan, Demski
The bottom line is that by overpaying some aging vets, other progressing guys ( o line, Lawler) the team is stuck, without going over the cap.
In any event, a new QB is needed. The best guy is Fajardo. Times will be a changing. Lots of soon to be guys on the ring of fame, or whatever it's called. Thanks for the memories.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 01:26:37 PMRather than calling for QB's to retire, be it in Wpg or Sask, how about we penalize the plays that cause it? That wasn't even a 25 yarder, why wouldn't teams continue to do those? I predict we'll have the same discussion when let's say someone decides Sask is beatable without Harris and does something about it. Or maybe it will be Dru Brown, but the end is the same, lower quality football.
As far as our oline I see our players in almost every game on tv playing for someone else, I wonder if we could have a better oline with the players we lost than the ones we have left. Here's a radical theory: instead of paying big for running backs or recievers we put the money into the oline. Maybe it's Zach with the clean jersey instead of Harris.
I didn't think that was a severe hit. It was on a QB with a concussion injury history and that's the issue. Penalty yes, 25 yard penalty I don't agree.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 01:37:57 PMThey called for the exact same thing in 2019, more so even.
That was a ferocious hit. Blind sided and unprepared he went sideways about 5 yards. NO ONE is getting up from that. I'll wait and see but I have been saying he's lost something off his arm anyway and I do think it's time, not because of the hit though it certainly doesn't help. More concerning to me is that the Bombers have no succession plan. Strev has been winning at about .500 which is were we stand right now anyway.
I don't think the decline in his arm as big of factor as some make it out to be. Was slinging pretty well before went out, the corner for me is healthy and ints.
Quote from: DM83 on September 07, 2025, 03:02:47 PMWell, Milt is correct. Concussions are cumulative. Zac's brain was battered when he came here, and now it must be one big bruise. It's time to start planning for the future.
Drugs contract in Ottawa has to be over soon.
Calgarys back up looks like he should be a starter
Arbuckle is competent, and shouldn't play second string to Kelly. Or more likely, Kelly will just start no matter what, and Arbuckle should be relegated to the bench.
The o-line is extremely bad. Just watch it. They really don't pass block but rather are just run by, and are like turnstiles.
Upon reflection, the Bombers have lost I would guess it's five former players who went elsewhere for more money. The contracts are not guaranteed, regarding Schoen, who'll be a free agent anyway, Stan is old age home retiree material. In some other cases, some DNs are just plain overpaid, and should not be professionals. They can't tackle.
We are overdue for other catastrophic injuries. Zac, Brady, Stan, Demski
The bottom line is that by overpaying some aging vets, other progressing guys ( o line, Lawler) the team is stuck, without going over the cap.
In any event, a new QB is needed. The best guy is Fajardo. Times will be a changing. Lots of soon to be guys on the ring of fame, or whatever it's called. Thanks for the memories.
Sun hasn't set yet and we are not as doomed as you make it out to be. I believe that when some posters see weakness over issues they get a little head of themselves on the negative side. But that's your opinion and it's welcome here.
Saying we were overdue for injuries to our stars is a bit stretch imo. Calling some of our players none professionals isn't true.
Yes need to plan for life after Zach.
Pass on Cody but he has soon very well as of late. Just not a big fan.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 03:08:28 PMI didn't think that was a severe hit. It was on a QB with a concussion injury history and that's the issue. Penalty yes, 25 yard penalty I don't agree.
I guess we won't agree on that. A pro ball player unblocked is like being hit by a truck. Add to that being 100% unprepared.
I attach pic to show that he really did go sideways about 5 yards. He was planted to throw on the hash mark.
whole hit in slowmo:
https://x.com/PatrickJames019/status/1964498665281913140
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2025, 03:23:59 PMI don't think the decline in his arm as big of factor as some make it out to be. Was slinging pretty well before went out, the corner for me is healthy and ints.
Yes, the good ones he has left make the believers blind to the bad. That's how you age, it's not turn off the tap, it's gradual. I am sure every team in the league excepting our own is aware of how long the ball stays in the air and plays for the pic knowing they have time. We all know the stats. Under thrown deep balls and rainbows that don't need to be are becoming more and more common. Sad to say but I don't see another Grey Cup in that arm.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 03:27:12 PMI guess we won't agree on that. A pro ball player unblocked is like being hit by a truck. Add to that being 100% unprepared.
I attach pic to show that he really did go sideways about 5 yards. He was planted to throw on the hash mark.
whole hit in slowmo:
https://x.com/PatrickJames019/status/1964498665281913140
That's not on the defensive player though, that's on protection.
The only thing Reavis did wrong was some helmet to helmet contact and, while a penalty, wasn't exactly the most egregious hit we've ever seen.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 03:36:23 PMYes, the good ones he has left make the believers blind to the bad. That's how you age, it's not turn off the tap, it's gradual. I am sure every team in the league excepting our own is aware of how long the ball stays in the air and plays for the pic knowing they have time. We all know the stats. Under thrown deep balls and rainbows that don't need to be are becoming more and more common. Sad to say but I don't see another Grey Cup in that arm.
I believe with a strong OL and no further health issues, Zach could win other cup. I see a player that yes makes mistakes but can still throw the deep ball and has a nice touch most of the time. Yup there are rainbows at times. No one is blind to the bad. We have all seen good, bad and ugly Zach. I see his play average this season with some warts along the way, no doubt.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 07, 2025, 02:07:40 PMHe's done. Someone needs to have the conversation with him. Been saying this all season. It's not just the injury concern, it's the pricetag for the production. It's not there anymore. He had a great game on Labour Day but there are far more valleys and middling performances than there are peaks.
He's our best chance this year but let's roll the dice with Wilson next week and start looking at what we can do for 2026.
If we want to make the playoffs we need Zach at the helm if his health allows. If he is hurt, yes I would like to see Wilson. That said we would likely consider finding a QB if Zach is out long term. Not an easy situation. Zach when healthy, behind a good OL still has got it imo.
Quote from: Jesse on September 07, 2025, 03:36:30 PMThat's not on the defensive player though, that's on protection.
The only thing Reavis did wrong was some helmet to helmet contact and, while a penalty, wasn't exactly the most egregious hit we've ever seen.
Why was there any? He had time to position the hit. It was forceful enough that any QB would be out even if the helmet had remained untouched.
Agree we blew the protection. We have to make the oline more a priority for next year.
I agree with Milt. It looks like Collaros is out cold before he even hit the ground. That's the cumulative effect of concussions IMO. It's not up to Collaros. It's up to the medical staff.
We have one card left to play and that's Terry Wilson.
We have to hope he's the winning lottery ticket numbers because that's the only thing that can save us this year.
We're out of options. Let's see if two years of development has developed anything.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 03:08:28 PMI didn't think that was a severe hit. It was on a QB with a concussion injury history and that's the issue.
Yes. But I'm ready for "he's a tough guy" and seeing him out there getting smoked again.
Also..... How does a defender get an undisguised, completely unblocked full speed track straight to the qb? There was no attempt to hide what was coming.
Nobody saw the guy? Right tackle, running back, Zach himself?
I think I've seen some plays this season where after yet another sack, O lineman goes to help zach up, ( they have a lot of practise at that) and he seems to avoid eye contact with them. As crappy as the o line is, he can't be happy with them.
Re playoffs v Zach health.... That's an easy choice. For me at least.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2025, 03:39:34 PMI believe with a strong OL and no further health issues, Zach could win other cup. I see a player that yes makes mistakes but can still throw the deep ball and has a nice touch most of the time. Yup there are rainbows at times. No one is blind to the bad. We have all seen good, bad and ugly Zach. I see his play average this season with some warts along the way, no doubt.If we want to make the playoffs we need Zach at the helm if his health allows. If he is hurt, yes I would like to see Wilson. That said we would likely consider finding a QB if Zach is out long term. Not an easy situation. Zach when healthy, behind a good OL still has got it imo.
Problem as I see it as any QB behind this Oline is in trouble. We are light years away from having anything looking like a decent OL.
Quote from: markf on September 07, 2025, 04:14:24 PMYes. But I'm ready for "he's a tough guy" and seeing him out there getting smoked again.
Also..... How does a defender get an undisguised, completely unblocked full speed track straight to the qb? There was no attempt to hide what was coming.
Nobody saw the guy? Right tackle, running back, Zach himself?
I think I've seen some plays this season where after yet another sack, O lineman goes to help zach up, ( they have a lot of practise at that) and he seems to avoid eye contact with them. As crappy as the o line is, he can't be happy with them.
Re playoffs v Zach health.... That's an easy choice. For me at least.
It was mentioned on the broadcast that the QB has to recognize the free rusher in the formation. Collaros didn't and that was the result. I have to agree with that analysis.
Quote from: Jesse on September 07, 2025, 03:36:30 PMThat's not on the defensive player though, that's on protection.
The only thing Reavis did wrong was some helmet to helmet contact and, while a penalty, wasn't exactly the most egregious hit we've ever seen.
Reavis is on social media proclaiming his innocence but I don't buy it. He had seconds to plan the tackle as he was unimpeded and had time to anticipate the collision, he could have aimed at Zach's core, gone for a wrap and pulled him to the ground, instead he high pointed him with enough energy to send him flying. It goes beyond a football play when the intent is to send a message and make a huge impact. I'm sure he received plenty of pats on the head in the locker room afterwards for a job well done.
As for protection, it comes down to being out-numbered, every O-lineman was occupied, Brady jumped to Zach's left and was occupied, it was up to Zach to realize there were more blitzers than blockers before he snapped the ball.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 04:45:36 PMReavis is on social media proclaiming his innocence but I don't buy it. He had seconds to plan the tackle as he was unimpeded and time to anticipate the collision, he could have aimed at Zach's core, gone for a wrap and pulled him to the ground, instead he high pointed him with enough energy to send him flying. It goes beyond a football play when the intent is to send a message and make a huge impact. I'm sure he received plenty of pats on the head in the locker room afterwards for a job well done.
I disagree. Football is a contact sport and I saw no intent to injure.
Quote from: BBRT on September 07, 2025, 04:27:51 PMProblem as I see it as any QB behind this Oline is in trouble. We are light years away from having anything looking like a decent OL.
Joe Montana would have issues correct. The OL has had good game as well but with injuries and constant changes it's a weaker group. Could come around yet.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 03:45:00 PMWhy was there any? He had time to position the hit. It was forceful enough that any QB would be out even if the helmet had remained untouched.
Agree we blew the protection. We have to make the oline more a priority for next year.
That Reavis hit is NOT on the O line, they rushed more people than there were blockers.
Quote from: Horseman on September 07, 2025, 05:44:05 PMThat Reavis hit is NOT on the O line, they rushed more people than there were blockers.
Agree just too bad Zach didn't see him or protect himself
As usual looking downfield for the big play, which does make him great
A nice blitz, too bad the helmet contact was avoided, hard to blame him, paid to take out the QB
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 04:45:36 PMAs for protection, it comes down to being out-numbered, every O-lineman was occupied, Brady jumped to Zach's left and was occupied, it was up to Zach to realize there were more blitzers than blockers before he snapped the ball.
I agree with you on this point, but, I don't blame Reavis, he is rushing in to sack the QB and yes his helmet made contact with Zach's helmet but it wasn't an intentional dirty hit, a penalty yes, but not dirty.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 07, 2025, 03:50:45 PMI agree with Milt. It looks like Collaros is out cold before he even hit the ground. That's the cumulative effect of concussions IMO. It's not up to Collaros. It's up to the medical staff.
The fact that he was clearly out cold and motionless from that hit, which I didn't think was that bad, shows me he's well down the line on cumulative impacts from concussions. That hit shouldn't have knocked him out cold like that.Zach, it's time to call it a day man. You've had a great career and a fantastic run here, which we are all very grateful for, we ll never have another run like that, but it's time man.
Quote from: dd on September 07, 2025, 06:10:27 PMThe fact that he was clearly out cold and motionless from that hit, which I didn't think was that bad, shows me he's well down the line on cumulative impacts from concussions. That hit shouldn't have knocked him out cold like that.Zach, it's time to call it a day man. You've had a great career and a fantastic run here, which we are all very grateful for, we ll never have another run like that, but it's time man.
I didn't get the impression he was knocked out but if that is true then even more room for worry.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 03:45:00 PMWhy was there any? He had time to position the hit. It was forceful enough that any QB would be out even if the helmet had remained untouched.
Agree we blew the protection. We have to make the oline more a priority for next year.
You can't Block everyone that is not a protection issue its a QB not recognizing it.
I too didn't think he was knocked out after the hit.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 06:16:57 PMI didn't get the impression he was knocked out but if that is true then even more room for worry.
He just laid on the ground when he was hit there and when Brady bent down to see if he was ok he didn't move a muscle
Interesting to see everyone's take on it
I think he was out and still
Zach took a hit earlier in the game that he was slow to get up from and may have rung his bell. One side-effect/temporary symptom of concussions is sometimes being plagued by foggy brain syndrome, an inability to focus and mental blockage that feels like you couldn't think your way out of a paper bag.
Zach has always been one hit away from retirement from the time he arrived here.
It is up to the medical team to decide if he can play again, and then it is up to he and his family whether he Should play again. The team has no say in the issue if he is given medical clearance and chooses to play, he has a valid extended contract in place that we cannot prevent him from earning.
The Bombers can recommend his course of action regarding his career, but that stops short of preventing him to play if he is medically cleared.
The question of the Bombers post Zach is completely different.
We are NOT picking up any starting QB presently on a roster, sorry.
Montreal has MBT, Dukes, Evans and Paterson on the roster, some of whom that will need to be released. I'd take any to put alongside Wilson for competition.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 04:45:36 PMReavis is on social media proclaiming his innocence
Like every time a Regina player has taken out our QB since Marino in 2022. Have they missed a year since? Just a coincidence it's always Labor day or banjo bowl. ;) Is it worth having a rivalry if that's how they play it?
2024:
Bombers' president Wade Miller blasts CFL officials, Randy Ambrosie following Labour Day Classic headshot on QB Zach CollarosAnd nothing has changed in my view.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 08:25:54 PMLike every time a Regina player has taken out our QB since Marino in 2022. Have they missed a year since? Just a coincidence it's always Labor day or banjo bowl. ;) Is it worth having a rivalry if that's how they play it?
2024: Bombers' president Wade Miller blasts CFL officials, Randy Ambrosie following Labour Day Classic headshot on QB Zach Collaros
And nothing has changed in my view.
Yep, Pete Robertson headbutted Zach knocking him out for the game, Marino pushed him after the whistle and was cut a few days later for once again disobeying orders. Last season Miles Brown took Zach out for a game and Strev. out for the entire season with double dirty hits, ended up in CGY were the coaching staff has always condoned after the whistle chicanery. At least Dickie 2 was an innocent doofus, Mace is schooled in dirty football.
Suitor and Ford should retire. TSN panel needs an upgrade. . They've been doing it too long.they sound repetitive. Ford will always just agree. Suitor always says that shouldn't be a penalty. Game in and game out. That was just hand pushing not a penalty both going for the ball. Doesn't know the rule book . tsn panel giving advice. Should do their job. And realize there was a penalty called on the play. ..bet they left that out.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 07, 2025, 04:13:31 PMWe have one card left to play and that's Terry Wilson.
We have to hope he's the winning lottery ticket numbers because that's the only thing that can save us this year.
We're out of options. Let's see if two years of development has developed anything.
Strev is proven toast! But they'll likely continue to start him because the coaches are proven to be poor decision makers.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 07, 2025, 02:07:40 PMHe's done. Someone needs to have the conversation with him. Been saying this all season. It's not just the injury concern, it's the pricetag for the production. It's not there anymore. He had a great game on Labour Day but there are far more valleys and middling performances than there are peaks.
He's our best chance this year but let's roll the dice with Wilson next week and start looking at what we can do for 2026.
To this, I'd add "let's find a way to get Elgersma up here and groom him for the rest of the season."
Quote from: Jesse on September 07, 2025, 03:36:30 PMThat's not on the defensive player though, that's on protection.
The only thing Reavis did wrong was some helmet to helmet contact and, while a penalty, wasn't exactly the most egregious hit we've ever seen.
Agreed a penalty but with the history of the past 3 years it makes it worse I think there should
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 07, 2025, 04:13:31 PMWe have one card left to play and that's Terry Wilson.
We have to hope he's the winning lottery ticket numbers because that's the only thing that can save us this year.
We're out of options. Let's see if two years of development has developed anything.
Yes agreed I would love to see Wilson but it probably won't happen, and just based on Wilson's resume I don't expect him to be much better ( if any ) than Strevler. I would see if Ford is available from Edmonton he can run and the combination of Ford and Olivera and Jackson coached him last year. I am not sure if Edm would trade him but the Bombers should be asking around for QBs at this point.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 08, 2025, 01:15:52 AMAgreed a penalty but with the history of the past 3 years it makes it worse I think there should
Yes agreed I would love to see Wilson but it probably won't happen, and just based on Wilson's resume I don't expect him to be much better ( if any ) than Strevler. I would see if Ford is available from Edmonton he can run and the combination of Ford and Olivera and Jackson coached him last year. I am not sure if Edm would trade him but the Bombers should be asking around for QBs at this point.
I like that idea, but truly, what have we got to lost but to try Wilson at this point? We know Strev cannot do it, after his injury he is toast, but he was never a great thrower.
Wilson throws a beautiful ball, but probably never has gotten the reps in practice he needs.
My brain wants Zach as the OC if he cannot be our #1. Buck did ok after his career. I just cannot fathom anymore of Hogan.
Bauming had a good point I think. It wasnt the helmet to helmet hit that did the damage, its being hit so violently that your head moves inside the helmet and rattles your brain. If you watch the replay carefully you'll see his helmet not really move but his head jerks inside of it. Its much like a whiplash
On another note i do like what Ottawa does in moving up to the line of scrimmage earlier than most to give their qb time to read the defense. Certainly on a few of those hits it wasnt as if riders disguised the blitz very much
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 01:04:27 PMIt's not up to us but I also think he should retire immediately. His long term health is more important. Knocked out of 3 games in 2025 and forced to miss another game. We don't even know if he'll be " cleared " to play this week and that would be the final straw IMO.
Thanks for all the games but agree to be placed on 6 game IR and call it a career.
Kinda reminds me of Matt Dunigan with his 12 concussions. I understand the love the game but I think your health would be more important. Maybe mentor QB backups and take some time off.
Are you gullible? they said it was his neck, because if they said it was his 10th concussion and 2nd or 3rd in 8 weeks, he would not be playing anymore. I think his neck hurts every time he gets touched in the head. Come on!
Quote from: Jesse on September 07, 2025, 03:36:30 PMThe only thing Reavis did wrong was some helmet to helmet contact and, while a penalty, wasn't exactly the most egregious hit we've ever seen.
I never want to hear Ridersforum bring up the Jeffcoat on Brandon Bridges hit in the '18(?) WSF ever again! That one wasn't even illegal (yes, it now is).
We're even now!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 09:51:44 PMLast season Miles Brown took Zach out for a game and Strev. out for the entire season with double dirty hits, ended up in CGY were the coaching staff has always condoned after the whistle chicanery. At least Dickie 2 was an innocent doofus, Mace is schooled in dirty football.
I wonder if there is a camera shot of Mace's face right after the hit. I bet he was doing that bad-poker-face tiny smirk he does. He was lovin' it. Guaranteed win that day plus potential no-Zach in a few weeks for the 3rd game.
If it comes down to it, I hope CGY smokes them in the WDF.
Quote from: TrueBlue4 on September 07, 2025, 06:43:23 PMI too didn't think he was knocked out after the hit.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 06:16:57 PMI didn't get the impression he was knocked out but if that is true then even more room for worry.
Well, I promise you he wasn't knocked out going down because the instant he hits the turf he puts his hands deliberately and normally up to his eyes. Like he always does.
When you're concussed on the way down, or concussed by hitting the turf, your arms go half-limp half-tense and you usually have your elbows bent 90 degrees. And you just lay like that. It's very unique and obvious. There are no deliberate extreme arm movements, like covering your eyes and holding it there.
I guarantee he was seeing stars and saying "here we go again... lay here until it passes": but out cold?, not this time.
Doesn't mean he's not taking damage or getting concussed though! There are many degrees.
Quote from: Horseman on September 07, 2025, 05:44:05 PMThat Reavis hit is NOT on the O line, they rushed more people than there were blockers.
If the SAM was showing blitz before the snap then it is (partially) up to the OL to call it out and work out assignments. The QB listens and watches what the OL calls/points out.
So both OL and QB are to blame.
The odd thing about this hit is it was a completely unseen blindside hit from the
non-blind side! Zach is supposed to have at least a peripheral eye on that side. I wonder if he was totally focused on some super wide pass on the other side.
Anyone work out what the #1 read was supposed to be?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 07, 2025, 04:45:36 PMI'm sure he received plenty of pats on the head in the locker room afterwards for a job well done.
Oh they were lovin' it up, guaranteed. Dinner & drinks paid for for Reavis for weeks to come.
I think Yoshi may have enjoyed it more than anyone. Traitor. Go stand up a split second too early every snap (IP) some more, and do more of your neuro-damage pre-snap head bob thing (also IP) too.
Quote from: Waffler on September 07, 2025, 01:26:37 PMHere's a radical theory: instead of paying big for running backs or recievers we put the money into the oline. Maybe it's Zach with the clean jersey instead of Harris.
It's hard or impossible to "buy" a top OL (FA/trades). You can maybe make one splash NAT signing (like the teams who take our top NAT OG every season), but it hampers your budget for other things. So even if you wanted to, you can't do it.
No, the key is spotting good DPs and dev'ing them. We used to be so good at that. But every year we got a bit worse at it. Desjar was the last superstar. Wallace likely will be a bust.
But this DP -> dev pipeline usually takes at least 1-2 seasons per top guy. We've been behind for around 3 seasons now. It may take a while to catch up.
You
can buy your way into a decent OL if you use 3 IMP, if you have the ratio room. And that's what I think we'll settle on this season.
But we've wasted so much "gel time" with Wallace! That should have all been going to Vant, who I don't think was ever really nicked up bad enough he couldn't play, and certainly wasn't the last couple of weeks.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2025, 01:04:27 PMThanks for all the games but agree to be placed on 6 game IR and call it a career.
Zach has $600,000 reasons (plus some bonus MMM) to keep playing through '26. His salary will probably be a tiny fraction of that post-football. Make hay while the sun shines.
And I guarantee you he still wants to aim for that home GC. If he reaches it and wins, he'll be cemented into never before seen hero status. Guaranteed ROH, HOF, maybe even our first "official" retired jersey #. He'd become more of a legend than Milt.
If it was me? I'd keep playing in '25 until it was clear we can't make the cup. And if the team looked promising in '26 FA, I'd play then too. I wouldn't give a rat's butt what any doctors thought. But I'm still relatively young, and such crazy mindsets are a thing of youth.
Quote from: Bomber Diehard on September 07, 2025, 12:54:28 PMI often wonder why Zach doesn't get out of the pocket and move around.
Because Hogan isn't calling bootlegs and roll outs. He was a bit for a while, but clearly not much lately. Maybe he prefers the safety of the pocket. SSK's DEs all know to sniff out the "roll right" thing and rush to cream him if he tries.
And Randolph isn't the edge-sealer that Yoshi is... (calling Lofton, calling Lofton)
Quote from: dd on September 07, 2025, 03:45:52 AMI literally laughed when I heard OShea say he was concerned about zach the person, is he concerned the same way he was for schoen?? That's 2 weeks in a row we ve watched players careers end.
This is a pretty bad take. What does one injury have to do with the other, especially when one's a concussion?