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Title: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 12:30:21 PM
The Bombers have to cleanup there penalties. Far to many missed tackles. OL has to better. We also have to get BO20 more touches. 24 yards rushing just not good enough.

Would be nice to get Kramdi back. Houston, Adams or Woods into the lineup. 
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 05:04:36 PM
Regardless of the result of the game last night, it's was probable we'd see changes for BB. Kramdi and Houston in particular would be good to see on the AR.

Hallett might be ready tor return to work on ST's etc.

I'm not sure what to think about Woods and Adams demoted. They may be done as Bombers. I've suggested adding Munier-Bailey instead of Weitz since he's a rush end type and would give us another defensive option.

If Schmekel is out, someone suggested we bring Kornelson back. I don't see that in the cards.

Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 05:04:36 PMRegardless of the result of the game last night, it's was probable we'd see changes for BB. Kramdi and Houston in particular would be good to see on the AR.

Hallett might be ready tor return to work on ST's etc.

I'm not sure what to think about Woods and Adams demoted. They may be done as Bombers. I've suggested adding Munier-Bailey instead of Weitz since he's a rush end type and would give us another defensive option.

If Schmekel is out, someone suggested we bring Kornelson back. I don't see that in the cards.



A lot of players have been demoted lately with no explanation at all, doesn't seem like performance related decisions as many have not been given much opportunity to play at all. Simply body shuffling to accommodate roster limits, ratio and injuries?
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: dd on September 01, 2025, 05:11:57 PM
Given the poor pressure we got from the interior, I am perplexed as to why we sat Woods and Adams
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 05:14:24 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 05:11:09 PMA lot of players have been demoted lately with no explanation at all, doesn't seem like performance related decisions as many have not been given much opportunity to play at all. Simply body shuffling to accommodate roster limits, ratio and injuries?

Except Woods and Adams have been here since 2024 so they've had time to evaluate. It seems it was performance related.  Lack of pressure from the interior of our DL has been an issue all year.

Also noting that we've had ratio options to use either and improve the interior of the DL if we thought it would help.

Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pete on September 01, 2025, 06:22:40 PM
Proposed changes for Banjo bowl:
Out                 in
Smeckle*    Woods
Logan          Houston
Schoen*     Wilson
Ayers            Vanderpool
Weitz            Kramdi*
* Injury related
If Schoen ok then Mitchell out





Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Pete on September 01, 2025, 06:22:40 PMProposed changes for Banjo bowl:
Out                 in
Smeckle*    Woods
Logan          Houston
Schoen*     Wilson
Ayers            Vanderpool
Weitz            Kramdi*
* Injury related
If Schoen ok then Mitchell out







Too early to tell whether Kramdi, Schmekel or Schoen can play.

I'd say Vanderpool should be on the AR and would be ok if it came at the cost of Ayers but don't think that happens. Woodbey probably gets bumped is Kramdi plays.

Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: Pete on September 01, 2025, 06:22:40 PMProposed changes for Banjo bowl:
Out                 in
Smeckle*    Woods
Logan          Houston
Schoen*     Wilson
Ayers            Vanderpool
Weitz            Kramdi*
* Injury related
If Schoen ok then Mitchell out







Every week someone wants Ayers out. I think the only way that happens is if he's injured.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pete on September 01, 2025, 06:38:50 PM
Yeah thats because it seems an obvious choice
When you have an import kicker how does it make sense to use a di on a kick coverage specialist?
With the hits we have taken on quality cdns this year its even more baffling.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 01, 2025, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 06:32:33 PMEvery week someone wants Ayers out. I think the only way that happens is if he's injured.
Ayers ain't coming out, agreed

If we get shore up the OL and get Brady going we will  by 7

Also got stop turning ball over so much
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 06:32:33 PMEvery week someone wants Ayers out. I think the only way that happens is if he's injured.

Every week someone wants to keep him for his work on ST's. While he does well with that, is it the best use of our DI's.

This week, we added Woodbey and he had 2 DT's, 1 ST and played many reps on defence starting with the 1st series. Ayers has ZERO DT's in 11 games.

Ayers did squat and I didn't notice him getting any reps on defence at all while a pure rookie essentially started.

Depending on who we have to replace due to injuries, who do you keep as a DI if it comes down to Woodbey or Ayers?

Also every week someone wants to keep Thomas a starter.

O'Shea loyalty, lack or better choices is debatable
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 01, 2025, 08:43:17 PMAyers ain't coming out, agreed

If we get shore up the OL and get Brady going we will  by 7

Also got stop turning ball over so much

Noting that we could add Vanterpool at the cost of Ayers. Is improving the OL a better option than having Ayers play 4 - 6 ST plays?

It's not rocket science. If he was a Canadian it wouldn't be an issue. As a DI it's a problem. 

It's been mentioned ( by me ) that we could eliminate Logan as an alternative. That would be especially true if we add Moore to replace Mitchell since he can also be used as a returner.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pete on September 02, 2025, 12:28:34 AM
on another note, does anyone else think we should be using Wilson on short yardage rather than Strev.?
For instance rather than dropping back on a second and inches we could have Wilson faking up the middle and going wide or heaven forbid throw a pass. Wilson is much quicker off the ball and Strev no longer has the speed or seemingly the power anymore that he built his reputation on.
I've always liked Streveler but the hits have taken their toll on his body.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 01:12:27 AM
Quote from: Pete on September 02, 2025, 12:28:34 AMon another note, does anyone else think we should be using Wilson on short yardage rather than Strev.?
For instance rather than dropping back on a second and inches we could have Wilson faking up the middle and going wide or heaven forbid throw a pass. Wilson is much quicker off the ball and Strev no longer has the speed or seemingly the power anymore that he built his reputation on.
I've always liked Streveler but the hits have taken their toll on his body.

Agreed, Wilson is a far better short yardage QB at this point.  Why they are risking our #2 out there is just another head scratching coaching decision. 

Toss it in the pile.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: peg_city on September 02, 2025, 03:17:10 PM
Bombers favoured by 1.5
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 06:31:46 PM
Pokey for Schoen (if injured) no brainer
Houston in for Logan, another no brainer (Vaval takes over all returning)

Adams for Schmekel is a ratio issue, it has to be a two for two trade there
So Kramdi or Hallet back in for Woodbey

Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 06:31:46 PMPokey for Schoen (if injured) no brainer
Houston in for Logan, another no brainer (Vaval takes over all returning)

Adams for Schmekel is a ratio issue, it has to be a two for two trade there
So Kramdi or Hallet back in for Woodbey



Which CB do you see Houston taking the place of since you aren't deleting either. Unless you are suggesting Vaval only works ST's?

If Schoen isn't injured, which other choice do you make?
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 07:17:37 PMWhich CB do you see Houston taking the place of since you aren't deleting either. Unless you are suggesting Vaval only works ST's?

If Schoen isn't injured, which other choice do you make?
Vaval only ST's, and backs up, coming in as the extra DB on those sets.

If Schoen is good to go, Mitchell is the preferred other option.  I don't like it because he's finally contributing, but the other option is Wheatfall, who can be more explosive.  Mitchell caught everything thrown at him, but Wheatfall got more yards, more YAC, and was our deep threat...  Wilson probably slots into Wheatfall's spot better, but MOS seems to be more of a LIFO guy, and Mitchell is last in
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2025, 08:37:56 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 06:31:46 PMPokey for Schoen (if injured) no brainer
Houston in for Logan, another no brainer (Vaval takes over all returning)

Adams for Schmekel is a ratio issue, it has to be a two for two trade there
So Kramdi or Hallet back in for Woodbey



Have to give Logan more time, he showed he was a dynamic returner in CGY but even there he was often plagued by injuries. Mills carried the same stigma but seems to have overcome the injury bug this season and is still running hard.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on September 02, 2025, 08:36:34 PMVaval only ST's, and backs up, coming in as the extra DB on those sets.

If Schoen is good to go, Mitchell is the preferred other option.  I don't like it because he's finally contributing, but the other option is Wheatfall, who can be more explosive.  Mitchell caught everything thrown at him, but Wheatfall got more yards, more YAC, and was our deep threat...  Wilson probably slots into Wheatfall's spot better, but MOS seems to be more of a LIFO guy, and Mitchell is last in
Wheat ain't coming out
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 09:45:58 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2025, 08:37:56 PMHave to give Logan more time, he showed he was a dynamic returner in CGY but even there he was often plagued by injuries. Mills carried the same stigma but seems to have overcome the injury bug this season and is still running hard.

It's not a matter of whether Logan can contribute more. He's shown in the past that he can. The problem is ratio, roster size and what is the best use of choosing our DI's.

As usual there are several choices to be made in that regard this week. Some choices are a direct 1 for 1 switch like Houston over a CB. The option of bumping Logan for Vaval is an off set of that possible switch. OTOH I thought Lawson would be the one bumped.

The bigger problem this week is what accommodation to we make at DT? If we add an import something has to give. Kramdi being able to play would offset that, but then Woodbey probably gets bumped.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 02, 2025, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 09:44:02 PMWheat ain't coming out

Probably not but somebody is coming out. That might be Schoen but I'm hoping he's good to play. That means Mitchell is the most likely to be moved.

However I have suggested that Mitchell could bump Logan because he can return kicks and be receiver depth.

Some have made an argument that Mitchell could bump Wheatfall but his productivity has been good. Wheatfall has 563 yards versus 79 for Mitchell. Upside or not, that wouldn't seem be a good decision.


Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: DM83 on September 02, 2025, 10:43:16 PM
The secondary is woeful.
Collaros forcing the ball will be his legacy. On the convert where Schoen pulls up Lame, I believe the slot back was wide open.

We just dint have the horses

It was great while it lasted.  But you know when you know. I realize dominating isn't going to happen....but some of those left side linemen, are kind of embarrassing.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: DM83 on September 02, 2025, 10:43:16 PMThe secondary is woeful.
Collaros forcing the ball will be his legacy. On the convert where Schoen pulls up Lame, I believe the slot back was wide open.

We just dint have the horses

It was great while it lasted.  But you know when you know. I realize dominating isn't going to happen....but some of those left side linemen, are kind of embarrassing.
Secondary is average
Zach's legacy will be cemented as one of the best runs in Bonber history
Zach's touch on the ball is still pretty good
OL needs work but we have enough guys on the roster that are decent

Can't agree with much here.  Seen the doom and gloom story before pre dynasty and all we did was head to 5 cups.  Don't count us out yet.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pete on September 02, 2025, 11:35:10 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2025, 08:37:56 PMHave to give Logan more time, he showed he was a dynamic returner in CGY but even there he was often plagued by injuries. Mills carried the same stigma but seems to have overcome the injury bug this season and is still running hard.
Logan can be an offensive weapon when healthy, but right now he doesn't look fully recovered from his injury and he doesn't seem the type to be effective at 90% For a returner not having that half step is huge
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 11:41:56 PM
Quote from: Pete on September 02, 2025, 11:35:10 PMLogan can be an offensive weapon when healthy, but right now he doesn't look fully recovered from his injury and he doesn't seem the type to be effective at 90% For a returner not having that half step is huge
Agree all, should be better in 2 or 3 games
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Strevy on September 03, 2025, 12:09:44 AM
Quote from: Pete on September 02, 2025, 11:35:10 PMLogan can be an offensive weapon when healthy, but right now he doesn't look fully recovered from his injury and he doesn't seem the type to be effective at 90% For a returner not having that half step is huge

A waste of a roster spot if he is still injured. If he is healthy he is just not effective, if it's because he is hurt sitting  him makes even more sense.  Roster management 101.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 03, 2025, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: Strevy on September 03, 2025, 12:09:44 AMA waste of a roster spot if he is still injured. If he is healthy he is just not effective, if it's because he is hurt sitting  him makes even more sense.  Roster management 101.
As much as you believe you have all the answers you don't

I'm on the fence on Logan but he is versatile and game action will shred the rust
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Strevy on September 03, 2025, 01:18:21 AM
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 03, 2025, 01:08:15 AMAs much as you believe you have all the answers you don't

I'm on the fence on Logan but he is versatile and game action will shred the rust

Poor roster management, playing someone who is not ready to perform. 

If he can't contribute keep him out and play someone who is ready and can.

It's not rocket surgery, roster management 101. Sit until you are ready.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 03, 2025, 02:19:07 AM
Quote from: Strevy on September 03, 2025, 01:18:21 AMPoor roster management, playing someone who is not ready to perform. 

If he can't contribute keep him out and play someone who is ready and can.

It's not rocket surgery, roster management 101. Sit until you are ready.
We don't have another returner other than Vaval so it's was a good decision to dress him

The rocket surgery comment will go down as one of the best ever on here for one of our classic posters who likes to have lines out while moving in a boat 🚢 lol
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pete on September 03, 2025, 02:12:16 PM
Another possibility is Cobb, he did it for edmonton.
As for our defense despite having issues at corner (long ball, and getting run over) they've played well the last two games. Its been more of a roster issue hopefully we get Houston in and get help at import dt going in with 6 dlinemen while other teams roster 8-9 is suspect at best.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blue In BC on September 03, 2025, 09:16:47 PM
What the choices / options for the starting receivers will dictate what happens with the returner role. Much banks on Schoen playing but that's not certain.

It's not impossible that Moore could replace Mitchell in the starting group. I've suggested that could bump Mitchell to a returner role with Logan bumped to 1 game IR for a game or 2. Moore also has return experience and this combination would give some additional depth at receiver. IE: Moore being a better option starting than Mitchell IMO.

Preferable Wilson and Schoen are the starters.

EDIT: Now hearing that Moore was cut today, so my theory is out the window. lol
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: ModAdmin on September 03, 2025, 10:11:22 PM
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Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: BBRT on September 03, 2025, 10:22:10 PM
Unfortunately I was only able to watch the first half of the Labor day game as I had a flight to catch and forgot to tape the game.

I am now finally back in good ol Calgary (Dallas was hot hot hot). From everything I have seen posted it sounds like the Bombers held their own and did somewhat better than most of us thought.

From my perspective I have no idea what to expect for the Banjo Bowl rematch. However based on only the first half it would appear to me that the Rider DL was superior to our OL and conversely the Rider OL seemed to be able to handle whatever the Bombers threw at them. Just my opinion only having watched the first half. And as a number of folks who have been around as long as I have, defense wins Grey Cups! We shall see what evolves with injuries as the week progresses.

The best news for me is that I am finished with any travel down to the Excited States until 2026!
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: RebusRankin on September 04, 2025, 01:42:23 AM
Shoring up the Oline would help on Saturday. 3 Import Olineman is a possible upgrade.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pete on September 04, 2025, 02:28:09 AM
Quote from: RebusRankin on September 04, 2025, 01:42:23 AMShoring up the Oline would help on Saturday. 3 Import Olineman is a possible upgrade.
Vanderpool is injured so is there a choice?
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: RebusRankin on September 04, 2025, 03:28:39 AM
Quote from: Pete on September 04, 2025, 02:28:09 AMVanderpool is injured so is there a choice?

If he can't go, the only other option would be Eli for Wallace and I'm not sure that's a huge upgrade.

Truthfully, its easy to sit here and say they need to upgrade the line but harder to say this is the move to make.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 04:04:35 PM
Quote from: RebusRankin on September 04, 2025, 03:28:39 AMIf he can't go, the only other option would be Eli for Wallace and I'm not sure that's a huge upgrade.

Truthfully, its easy to sit here and say they need to upgrade the line but harder to say this is the move to make.

Good lord, if neither Wallace or Vanterpool can play in the Banjo Bowl that could turn into an utter disaster and nullify any advantage the Bombers have playing at home, chalk it up as a sure loss.  On the other-hand it would be a great test of fire for Eli and might finally push him to the next level that he needs to get to if he wants to progress beyond his backup status.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 04:05:41 PM
Quote from: Pete on September 04, 2025, 02:28:09 AMVanderpool is injured so is there a choice?

Right, sorry I forgot about his ankle.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: blue_or_die on September 04, 2025, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 04:04:35 PMGood lord, if neither Wallace or Vanterpool can play in the Banjo Bowl that could turn into an utter disaster and nullify any advantage the Bombers have playing at home, chalk it up as a sure lossOn the other-hand it would be a great test of fire for Eli and might finally push him to the next level that he needs to get to if he wants to progress beyond his backup status.

This is exactly the reason we've kept Eli around all these years. I'm disappointed about Wallace and Vanterpool being injured but we shouldn't expect that huge a drop from these 2 newbs down to someone who's been with the club, what, 6 years? LG was always a spot of concern after we lost Dobson. Heck, it was a concern when Dobson was in and it took a third of a season for the OL to gel. Before that it was Geoff Gray who was called "the weak link" during his time.

I'm generally concerned about our OL this year but this series of unfortunate events shouldn't equate to a "sure loss". If it does, we have bigger problems than our LG.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 04, 2025, 06:30:59 PMThis is exactly the reason we've kept Eli around all these years. I'm disappointed about Wallace and Vanterpool being injured but we shouldn't expect that huge a drop from these 2 newbs down to someone who's been with the club, what, 6 years? LG was always a spot of concern after we lost Dobson. Heck, it was a concern when Dobson was in and it took a third of a season for the OL to gel. Before that it was Geoff Gray who was called "the weak link" during his time.

I'm generally concerned about our OL this year but this series of unfortunate events shouldn't equate to a "sure loss". If it does, we have bigger problems than our LG.

The Riders have
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 04, 2025, 06:30:59 PMThis is exactly the reason we've kept Eli around all these years. I'm disappointed about Wallace and Vanterpool being injured but we shouldn't expect that huge a drop from these 2 newbs down to someone who's been with the club, what, 6 years? LG was always a spot of concern after we lost Dobson. Heck, it was a concern when Dobson was in and it took a third of a season for the OL to gel. Before that it was Geoff Gray who was called "the weak link" during his time.

I'm generally concerned about our OL this year but this series of unfortunate events shouldn't equate to a "sure loss". If it does, we have bigger problems than our LG.

Sounds like Wallace did participate in practice yesterday but was limited, so hopefully nothing too serious.  Riders have Mike Rose and old man Johnson on their D-line, if there is a weak link on the O-line they're going to exploit it endlessly.

I've seen O-lineman's careers ended in one game when they couldn't do anything to stop a better player from dominating them.  Sometimes this situation is unavoidable as the team has no options left but to leave a player who's confidence has been smashed in the game to the bitter end.

In the podcast yesterday Cam Lawson said he could play O-line with one week of prep. no problem, as he has played there earlier in his career.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: theaardvark on September 04, 2025, 07:13:41 PM
Sorry, but I just love it when people think we should have the best "player at this position" for every spot on the depth chart.

The key is to get the best players you can, hope they stay healthy, and make the best with what you've got.

Yes, you are going to have below average position players, because that is exactly what average means.  50% above, 50% below.  If you have more than 50% of your team as above average, you are doing a good job.

That said, the key to the OC's game plan is using the best players to his advantage and "hiding" any below average deficiencies.

Is that one of the reasons we aren't using BO20 as much?  The Oline can't open things up for him?  Or is BO20 nicked, and can't get to/through the holes that they can create.

These coaches are not idiots, they make choices for a reason. Hogan has Jackson there to advise him, Marty Costello has been here 10 years as well.  They know the talents and deficiencies of every player and position group, and will game plan accordingly.

Yeesh...
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: blue_or_die on September 04, 2025, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 07:02:11 PMSounds like Wallace did participate in practice yesterday but was limited, so hopefully nothing too serious.  Riders have Mike Rose and old man Johnson on their D-line, if there is a weak link on the O-line they're going to exploit it endlessly.

I've seen O-lineman's careers ended in one game when they couldn't do anything to stop a better player from dominating them.  Sometimes this situation is unavoidable as the team has no options left but to leave a player who's confidence has been smashed in the game to the bitter end.


In the podcast yesterday Cam Lawson said he could play O-line with one week of prep. no problem, as he has played there earlier in his career.

I'm sorry but your post is projecting something that's very unlikely to happen, based on very little. The reality is we have some injuries that will affect us for sure to an extent, but "career ending", "confidence being smashed"? These things literally haven't happened. I understand being concerned about having to test some depth but this isn't crisis mode here. Riders have some players on D but I'm not shaking in my booties over Mike Rose or Michah Johnson. Never have, even when they were in their prime.

Hoping we gameplan ourselves to mitigate weaknesses just as the Riders are trying to exploit them. We will be doing the same to them.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 04, 2025, 08:52:56 PM
Our OL will adjust and play reasonably well.  There is no panic in my mind or worst case scenario happening.  The only worry would be injuries to our best players on the OL.  I do like consistency with our group, which hasn't been the case this year but hopefully we can gel and get healthy down the stretch.

Calling the game a sure loss and no home field advantage due to a tweak on the OL is full stop sky is falling mode imo.

That said our success is directly related to how well this new group plays imo.  I expect an average showing for the OL.  Need above average to win imo.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Pete on September 05, 2025, 01:27:39 AM
I think we've been lucky to have O"Shea as a coach but it continues to be annoying how he treats reporters and indirectly fans with his lack of transparency and games. On the coaches show he was asked directly about Schoen - his response; "he's good to go" knowing full well he wasn't
Now with Pokey he won't say yeah or no even when its a matter of hours til its public info
anyway.
Some will say that hes just taking any advantage he can but then why arent we utilizing the DI?
The childlike I know something you dont attitude is getting thin
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Blueforlife on September 05, 2025, 02:35:18 AM
Quote from: Pete on September 05, 2025, 01:27:39 AMI think we've been lucky to have O"Shea as a coach but it continues to be annoying how he treats reporters and indirectly fans with his lack of transparency and games. On the coaches show he was asked directly about Schoen - his response; "he's good to go" knowing full well he wasn't
Now with Pokey he won't say yeah or no even when its a matter of hours til its public info
anyway.
Some will say that hes just taking any advantage he can but then why arent we utilizing the DI?
The childlike I know something you dont attitude is getting thin
The level if nit picking here is over the top imo.  MOS is a legend just like Ritchie.  They like to play the media.  Darn lucky.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: M.O.A.B. on September 05, 2025, 02:35:39 AM
Cobb moved to PR. Peterson to AR. Kornelson to AR. Looks like we're going all-Canadian at DT spots.

The big question if Wallace is good to go. If not are we going to go with Mayers for 3-American OL or is it Eli at LG?
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2025, 03:01:20 AM
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on September 05, 2025, 02:35:39 AMCobb moved to PR. Peterson to AR. Kornelson to AR. Looks like we're going all-Canadian at DT spots.

The big question if Wallace is good to go. If not are we going to go with Mayers for 3-American OL or is it Eli at LG?

Read somewhere Vibert was sharing reps with Eli at LT at today's practice, probably just a spot filler as he remains on the PR.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Tecno on September 05, 2025, 03:50:19 AM
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 04, 2025, 06:30:59 PMThis is exactly the reason we've kept Eli around all these years. I'm disappointed about Wallace and Vanterpool being injured but we shouldn't expect that huge a drop from these 2 newbs down to someone who's been with the club, what, 6 years? LG was always a spot of concern after we lost Dobson.

I'm a huge Eli fan.  Love the guy, love the TD, love his "throw to me" trickery, love his jumbo work.  But Eli is never going to be started on purpose.  He's here because he's a C backup and can do all the aforementioned.

The instant we draft a promising "next C" Eli will be released.  Fortunately for Eli, I don't think "next C" is on our radar as we'll probably be happy with Ko-man for 3-5 more seasons.

Quote from: blue_or_die on September 04, 2025, 06:30:59 PMHeck, it was a concern when Dobson was in and it took a third of a season for the OL to gel. Before that it was Geoff Gray who was called "the weak link" during his time.

I think we'd all kill for a Gray level NAT LG right about now... Ironic, isn't it.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Tecno on September 05, 2025, 03:56:19 AM
Quote from: theaardvark on September 04, 2025, 07:13:41 PMIs that one of the reasons we aren't using BO20 as much?  The Oline can't open things up for him?  Or is BO20 nicked, and can't get to/through the holes that they can create.

Yes.  It's a combo of OL is pretty bad at run block this season AND teams are loading the box AND the rest of our game isn't very strong so things aren't loose.

We once had an OL that could make huge holes for AH33 regardless of what the opponent did.  We haven't had that OL for a while.  We can't pretend we do.

If we would go more balanced, and be good at it, and called runs at the correct time (not just 1st down of every series), then things would naturally open up for Brady.

Basically, we need to achieve what SSK has been doing all season.  Oullette isn't good or better, it's that protecting against that short and wide pass game makes it so no one can key on Liver King.

It's ironic, in football if your O struggles in one thing, it makes your O struggle in the others, and when you struggle in those others it makes your original problem even worse (that's us right now).  And when it's all clicking it works in reverse.  We're just used to being the team where it all clicks.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Tecno on September 05, 2025, 03:59:10 AM
Quote from: theaardvark on September 04, 2025, 07:13:41 PMIs that one of the reasons we aren't using BO20 as much?

Oh ya, your $225k RB getting only -2 yards (yes, negative) in the entire 1st Q of a football game will also dissuade you from using "BO20 as much".
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Tecno on September 05, 2025, 06:13:16 AM
LOL, MOS's last comment on his Sep 3 presser...
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Strevy on September 05, 2025, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 05, 2025, 03:59:10 AMOh ya, your $225k RB getting only -2 yards (yes, negative) in the entire 1st Q of a football game will also dissuade you from using "BO20 as much".


lol, yes give him one carry if it doesn't work out abandon it for the rest of the quarter.  BO did great the game before.  Just trying to re invent the wheel and put thinking yourself in the process.

  Hogan is in over his head.  One carry in the first quarter.  5 total for the game.  There are many ways to scheme and open the run.  Especially with a guy like BO who gets stronger as the game goes on and the more carries he gets.  You just have to know what you are doing and commit to it.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: peg_city on September 05, 2025, 04:26:14 PM
https://3downnation.com/2025/09/05/winnipeg-blue-bombers-to-start-ontaria-pokey-wilson-against-riders-in-banjo-bowl/

Either Wallace or Vanterpool will start at LG (GTD)

Kramdi starting at SLB.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on September 05, 2025, 06:50:02 PM
Bombers will most likely lose the Banjo Bowl... the Riders are firing on all cylinders now.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: BBRT on September 05, 2025, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on September 05, 2025, 06:50:02 PMBombers will most likely lose the Banjo Bowl... the Riders are firing on all cylinders now.

Sort of have to agree. The Rider have a better DL and OL than what the Bombers can throw out on Saturday. I think the game will be won or lost in the trenches. Hope I am wrong but the Riders just seem to be a better overall team at the moment.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: peg_city on September 05, 2025, 08:12:35 PM
I'm picking the Bombers. Most of three down nation is.
Title: Re: The Banjo Bowl
Post by: Strevy on September 05, 2025, 11:57:56 PM
Quote from: BBRT on September 05, 2025, 06:58:48 PMSort of have to agree. The Rider have a better DL and OL than what the Bombers can throw out on Saturday. I think the game will be won or lost in the trenches. Hope I am wrong but the Riders just seem to be a better overall team at the moment.

We 'could' roster an equal or better D-line but choose to roster  more nationals than needed instead.  Even though we don't have the depth for it.

Not sure why but QB pressure and run stopping seems a low priority this season.   You can time a few of our DT's with a calendar.

Pretty sure AJ is happy.