Who better to bring in and lead this team? He and JJ would turn this around and can lead this team for the foreseeable future. Two great offensive minds that know how to manage a roster and make effective in game decisions. Exactly what we are in need of.
The Dream Team! A great possibility.
Forum needs a LOL thing. LaPo LMAO, Been there, done that. MOS isn't going anywhere.
and LAPO is a workhorse for TSN - not going anywhere mid season.
I think LaPo is a very good offensive coordinator but I really don't see him leaving TSN in mid season and the Bombers aren't looking to replace their Offensive coordinator
Quote from: BomberFan73 on September 01, 2025, 02:14:30 PMForum needs a LOL thing. LaPo LMAO, Been there, done that. MOS isn't going anywhere.
What is his contract status? Is he a Lame Duck coach at this point? That is best time to move on. This team keeps getting worse.
Quote from: bwiser on September 01, 2025, 03:30:11 PMI think LaPo is a very good offensive coordinator but I really don't see him leaving TSN in mid season and the Bombers aren't looking to replace their Offensive coordinator
Money talks, LaPo might be missing the game. He loves football. If they are NOT looking for a new OC the season is sunk.
Quote from: Strevy on September 01, 2025, 03:34:32 PMMoney talks, LaPo might be missing the game. He loves football. If they are NOT looking for a new OC the season is sunk.
After Labour Day I think the Riders should hire LaPolice again. That Rider offense has been figured out and they're going to stall in the second half.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 04:28:18 PMAfter Labour Day I think the Riders should hire LaPolice again. That Rider offense has been figured out and they're going to stall in the second half.
The Riders will be fine, they have been running the quick hitter T.Harris O and will keep doing it. It works well in poor weather too. Our OC is in way over his head and is all over the place. Brady with 5 carries? Terrible. LaPo OC, JJ HC would make us competitive again and help save the season imo.
Lapo is not joining anyone this season. I'll give 5 to 1 odds on that.
Our worries about Hogan are overstated imo. Give him time to learn the receipes and his cooking will improve. Don't become a master chef overnight. Gotta serve a few bad dishes and learn from mistakes.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2025, 04:28:18 PMAfter Labour Day I think the Riders should hire LaPolice again. That Rider offense has been figured out and they're going to stall in the second half.
Makes zero sense. Good way to upset the apple cart and make things worse imo.
Yes their offence looks to be stalled but changing the OC at this point isn't the solution imo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 01, 2025, 09:06:11 PMLapo is not joining anyone this season. I'll give 5 to 1 odds on that.
Our worries about Hogan are overstated imo. Give him time to learn the receipes and his cooking will improve. Don't become a master chef overnight. Gotta serve a few bad dishes and learn from mistakes.
Makes zero sense. Good way to upset the apple cart and make things worse imo.
Yes their offence looks to be stalled but changing the OC at this point isn't the solution imo.
Do you have a gambling addiction? Enough already, anyway experimenting with an unproven OC in a GC year has turned into a complete disaster. This is pro football, let him learn and perfect his Pop Warner play book down in the minors where it belongs.
Coaching and roster management has turned this once dominant team into bottom feeders. They are getting worse. Can't beat a team with a winning record anymore , that's a problem.
Quote from: Strevy on September 01, 2025, 09:45:47 PMDo you have a gambling addiction? Enough already, anyway experimenting with an unproven OC in a GC year has turned into a complete disaster. This is pro football, let him learn and perfect his Pop Warner play book down in the minors where it belongs.
Coaching and roster management has turned this once dominant team into bottom feeders. They are getting worse. Can't beat a team with a winning record anymore , that's a problem.
You can make as many long shot ideas as you want and I'll continue to put my bets against them, if your convictions are as strong as your ideas, put your money where you mouth is
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 01, 2025, 11:50:58 PMYou can make as many long shot ideas as you want and I'll continue to put my bets against them, if your convictions are as strong as your ideas, put your money where you mouth is
You probably want to get help, I am being serious. You might have a problem. Illegal online gambling is not my thing. Back to football, changes are needed and hopefully they are coming. 2015 was a disaster, 2025 is shaping up to be the same.
Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 12:17:45 AMYou probably want to get help, I am being serious. You have a problem. Illegal gambling is not my thing. Back to football, changes are needed and hopefully they are coming. 2015 was a disaster, 2025 is shaping up to be the same.
The bets are a funny way to prove you will be wrong and I put a 5 to 1 odds that I'm right
Let's review your out to lunch predictions come year end and we can see if any come true
I'll get the roasting pan ready
Full disclosure no gambling problem but I do enjoy a poker game on occasion
100 to 1 odds that 2025 isn't a disaster, we are playing well and when healthy we can beat anyone but Calgary imo
Suggesting to someone you don't know has a gambling problem based on a couple razz posts is about as off base as I have seen on here
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2025, 12:20:59 AMThe bets are a funny way to prove you will be wrong and I put a 5 to 1 odds that I'm right
Let's review your out to lunch predictions come year end and we can see if any come true
I'll get the roasting pan ready
Full disclosure no gambling problem but I do enjoy a poker game on occasion
100 to 1 odds that 2025 isn't a disaster, we are playing well and when healthy we can beat anyone but Calgary imo
Suggesting to someone you don't know has a gambling problem based on a couple razz posts is about as off base as I have seen on here
Illegal online gambling is no joke, not sure why you think it's 'funny'. Anyway, enough of that and keep it to yourself please. We have not beat a single team with a winning record. Coaching has cost us dearly in the losses.
Maybe they don't change anything and are one and done in the playoffs. That would be a disaster this season. They can also make a move to fix the situation. I expect JJ to be a big part of this. Let's revisit this after the ESF or WSF. If they make it there.
Quote from: Strevy on September 01, 2025, 04:56:44 AMWho better to bring in and lead this team? He and JJ would turn this around and can lead this team for the foreseeable future. Two great offensive minds that know how to manage a roster and make effective in game decisions. Exactly what we are in need of.
The Dream Team! A great possibility.
I know Sunday's loss was a tough one but man, lay off the sauce before logging on next time.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 03, 2025, 01:24:10 PMI know Sunday's loss was a tough one but man, lay off the sauce before logging on next time.
I like HP and BBQ for the most part, not sure why it would matter in this situation?
Anyway, JJ HC and LaPo OC could be the secret sauce this team needs! JJ did a great job with the Elks last season and LaPo is a proven OC in this league. I like it.
Strevy. have you done a scan of the stats this year vs. last? Just for offensive production?
Remember, BO20 has been nicked all year, and we have had some pretty big injuries along the way.
Statsjunkie, have you got the numbers?
Don't feed the troll guys. He'll go away soon. Just like every year.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 04, 2025, 02:33:06 PMStrevy. have you done a scan of the stats this year vs. last? Just for offensive production?
Remember, BO20 has been nicked all year, and we have had some pretty big injuries along the way.
Statsjunkie, have you got the numbers?
Keep in mind the opposition. We have yet to beat a team with a winning record this season. It's past Labour Day.
We have the talent, we should be neck and neck or ahead of Calgary imo. Talent can't help from the PR, 1 game or the sidelines and can only execute what they are given. 5 runs for the best player in the league doesn't cut it. Would you put McDavid on the fourth line? Same difference.
The players are there. No question.
Not saying to bring back Lapo but something in the Free Press today casting yet more shade on Hogan.
You could feel the frustration inside the Bombers locker room after their loss. While losing a close game to their biggest rival is always tough, this felt deeper. Quarterback Zach Collaros was visibly seething, offering one- and two-word answers in his post-game presser. Though he was diplomatic, you could tell he was bothered, especially when he seemed to object to the two-point conversion play call, implying it was a "play every team runs" and therefore predictable. Running back Brady Oliveira also bit his tongue, but his displeasure was palpable, particularly with his mere five carries. For a team built on a strong running game, that number is a head-scratcher. With Jason Hogan in his first season as offensive co-ordinator, there were bound to be growing pains. The question now is whether this is just a bump in the road or if something more serious is brewing within the locker room.
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2025, 03:35:56 PMNot saying to bring back Lapo but something in the Free Press today casting yet more shade on Hogan.
You could feel the frustration inside the Bombers locker room after their loss. While losing a close game to their biggest rival is always tough, this felt deeper. Quarterback Zach Collaros was visibly seething, offering one- and two-word answers in his post-game presser. Though he was diplomatic, you could tell he was bothered, especially when he seemed to object to the two-point conversion play call, implying it was a "play every team runs" and therefore predictable. Running back Brady Oliveira also bit his tongue, but his displeasure was palpable, particularly with his mere five carries. For a team built on a strong running game, that number is a head-scratcher. With Jason Hogan in his first season as offensive co-ordinator, there were bound to be growing pains. The question now is whether this is just a bump in the road or if something more serious is brewing within the locker room.
Where there's smoke, there's generally fire. Hogan doesn't seem to be making fans based on this information above.
And I'm inclined to agree. From the standpoint of the coaching staff, he's hands down the weakest link, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 04, 2025, 03:40:41 PMWhere there's smoke, there's generally fire. Hogan doesn't seem to be making fans based on this information above.
And I'm inclined to agree. From the standpoint of the coaching staff, he's hands down the weakest link, IMO.
I agree with your thoughts 100%
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2025, 03:35:56 PMNot saying to bring back Lapo but something in the Free Press today casting yet more shade on Hogan.
You could feel the frustration inside the Bombers locker room after their loss. While losing a close game to their biggest rival is always tough, this felt deeper. Quarterback Zach Collaros was visibly seething, offering one- and two-word answers in his post-game presser. Though he was diplomatic, you could tell he was bothered, especially when he seemed to object to the two-point conversion play call, implying it was a "play every team runs" and therefore predictable. Running back Brady Oliveira also bit his tongue, but his displeasure was palpable, particularly with his mere five carries. For a team built on a strong running game, that number is a head-scratcher. With Jason Hogan in his first season as offensive co-ordinator, there were bound to be growing pains. The question now is whether this is just a bump in the road or if something more serious is brewing within the locker room.
Zach can fume, but he had other options to choose from and the one he picked he failed to execute. The game came down to 3 different scenarios were the offence came up short, the players share in that is equal to the OC's.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 04:32:52 PMZach can fume, but he had other options to choose from and the one he picked he failed to execute. The game came down to 3 different scenarios were the offence came up short, the players share in that is equal to the OC's.
Have a feeling this may be cumulative. Not necessarily the single play call. Probably wasn't happy getting pounded in the pocket while the best back/player in the league only gets 5 touches either.
This speaks volumes.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2025, 04:32:52 PMZach can fume, but he had other options to choose from and the one he picked he failed to execute. The game came down to 3 different scenarios were the offence came up short, the players share in that is equal to the OC's.
He's right to fume. Same with Oliveira. Hogan's basically got no clue how to use the talent he has.
The players have to execute but when two prominent players are expressing frustration with what's being called, it seems pretty evident the OC isn't doing his job well.
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2025, 03:35:56 PMNot saying to bring back Lapo but something in the Free Press today casting yet more shade on Hogan.
You could feel the frustration inside the Bombers locker room after their loss. While losing a close game to their biggest rival is always tough, this felt deeper. Quarterback Zach Collaros was visibly seething, offering one- and two-word answers in his post-game presser. Though he was diplomatic, you could tell he was bothered, especially when he seemed to object to the two-point conversion play call, implying it was a "play every team runs" and therefore predictable. Running back Brady Oliveira also bit his tongue, but his displeasure was palpable, particularly with his mere five carries. For a team built on a strong running game, that number is a head-scratcher. With Jason Hogan in his first season as offensive co-ordinator, there were bound to be growing pains. The question now is whether this is just a bump in the road or if something more serious is brewing within the locker room.
I am very anti-Hogan and agree with everything here.
That said, this was a Jeff Hamilton article and he is also very anti-Hogan and is probably looking for a little confirmation bias in these quotes.
I'm not a big fan of Hogan, but I watched that Collaros interview twice, and Zach was definitely angry about the loss, but his comment about it being a play that everybody in the league runs didn't strike me as a swipe at Hogan, but instead, saying that there's nothing unusual about the play call. He followed it up by saying he has to throw a better ball, which is correct. I think the play was there for the taking if he had thrown it a bit earlier and put a bit more on it.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 04, 2025, 04:45:07 PMHe's right to fume. Same with Oliveira. Hogan's basically got no clue how to use the talent he has.
The players have to execute but when two prominent players are expressing frustration with what's being called, it seems pretty evident the OC isn't doing his job well.
JJ should be handed the keys to this O. No question imo. That would mean MOS has to admit they/he was wrong.
So, do they keep pounding that square peg?
Quote from: Strevy on September 04, 2025, 05:41:11 PMJJ should be handed the keys to this O. No question imo. That would mean MOS has to admit they/he was wrong.
So, do they keep pounding that square peg?
Have you listened to OShea? Not likely
Quote from: Pete on September 04, 2025, 05:47:21 PMHave you listened to OShea? Not likely
So square peg, round hole it is. Feel bad for the players. A ton of talent there.
On both sides of the ball.
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2025, 03:35:56 PMNot saying to bring back Lapo but something in the Free Press today casting yet more shade on Hogan.
You could feel the frustration inside the Bombers locker room after their loss. While losing a close game to their biggest rival is always tough, this felt deeper. Quarterback Zach Collaros was visibly seething, offering one- and two-word answers in his post-game presser. Though he was diplomatic, you could tell he was bothered, especially when he seemed to object to the two-point conversion play call, implying it was a "play every team runs" and therefore predictable. Running back Brady Oliveira also bit his tongue, but his displeasure was palpable, particularly with his mere five carries. For a team built on a strong running game, that number is a head-scratcher. With Jason Hogan in his first season as offensive co-ordinator, there were bound to be growing pains. The question now is whether this is just a bump in the road or if something more serious is brewing within the locker room.
Totally predictable and you could see this coming from a mile away. It's got to be hard for Zach to know infinitely more about football and running a CFL offense than the guy calling the plays. It would work if they were having a lot of success but if they're not it's going to hard to keep that together. It's just common sense/human nature.
Can someone please either do the stats, or show me where tehy are to do, showing our production on offense relative to this time last year.
I remember hearing on the coaches show that we are actually a point or two ahead of last year...
The anti Hogan rants came before he even called one game and I don't believe many are giving him a fair chance.
It's half way through his 1st season as an OC. He has called some good and bad games. He has made mistakes. He will improve and learn as he goes.
Our team of coaches on offense will figure it out this year with some continued growing pains along the way.
There will be no coaches changes this season and I would stick with what we got to allow for growth.
I would like to see more of last years strengths, bombs and steady diet of Brady bully ball. That said you gotta take what they give you. Teams key on Brady as they know he stirs the drink.
Receivers are coming on and if Wilson can shine early and we get completely healthy, it will be bombs way by the time the white stuff flies.
To me it's all about the OL. If that unit can play above average, everything else will fall into place (eventually).
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 04, 2025, 06:24:04 PMTotally predictable and you could see this coming from a mile away. It's got to be hard for Zach to know infinitely more about football and running a CFL offense than the guy calling the plays. It would work if they were having a lot of success but if they're not it's going to hard to keep that together. It's just common sense/human nature.
Has to be frustrating, he is clearly in over his head and the most important season in a decade is not the time to experiment.
Bad decision, the timing could not be worse. Time to rip the cord.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 04, 2025, 07:17:15 PMCan someone please either do the stats, or show me where tehy are to do, showing our production on offense relative to this time last year.
I remember hearing on the coaches show that we are actually a point or two ahead of last year...
The thing is, the first half of last year was very bad. We were not in a play-off position, we had multiple rookies starting every position group because of catastrophic injuries. Brady didn't have a single score.
Being a couple points ahead of that squad is not an accomplishment. Last year was supposed to be an anomaly due to injury, not a terrible standard to hold ourselves to.
The suggestion to change our OC is a knee jerk sky is falling over reaction that won't happen
Paying 10 to 1 odds we will stay the course
The suggestion that Lapo needs to come to the rescue is 10000 to 1 odds at best. I believe a change at OC at this point would hurt not help.
Quote from: Jesse on September 04, 2025, 11:50:40 PMThe thing is, the first half of last year was very bad. We were not in a play-off position, we had multiple rookies starting every position group because of catastrophic injuries. Brady didn't have a single score.
Being a couple points ahead of that squad is not an accomplishment. Last year was supposed to be an anomaly due to injury, not a terrible standard to hold ourselves to.
This little stat always bothers me, whether Brady scores TD's or not doesn't really matter when Strev scores a TD at the end of almost every successful goal-line plunge. Anybody following the CFL understands Brady probably had a lot to do with getting the ball up to the goal-line.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2025, 12:43:04 AMThis little stat always bothers me, whether Brady scores TD's or not doesn't really matter when Strev scores a TD at the end of almost every successful goal-line plunge. Anybody following the CFL understands Brady probably had a lot to do with getting the ball up to the goal-line.
But we're talking in the context of a period where the average score was about 10 points per game lower than the year before.
So we were not getting the ball in the endzone. It wasn't a matter of Strev getting the ball instead of Brady.
Thanks Statsjunkie... 2 - 14 page stat packages to dive into, I gleaned just a few data points.
Stat 2024 2025
Pts 234 302
Off Pts 218 272
TD 18 31
FG 34 29
YDS 3873 3924
Pass 2780 2865
Rush 1246 1216
Plays 625 617
The problem is not the OC... offense is a better this year
Better than our worst stretch of football since 2015?
Great. High praise.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2025, 02:24:17 AMThanks Statsjunkie... 2 - 14 page stat packages to dive into, I gleaned just a few data points.
Stat 2024 2025
Pts 234 302
Off Pts 218 272
TD 18 31
FG 34 29
YDS 3873 3924
Pass 2780 2865
Rush 1246 1216
Plays 625 617
The problem is not the OC... offense is a better this year
Agree with you!
Numbers don't lie. OC is average, just like out O which is trending upwards.
Forest through the trees.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 05, 2025, 02:33:50 AMNumbers don't lie. OC is average, just like out O which is trending upwards.
Forest through the trees.
Many of the posters in this thread were complaining that the OC has to go. That his offense is underperforming.
The stats are not super impressive, but they show that the results this year are better than last year at this point.
Quote from: Jesse on September 05, 2025, 02:29:59 AMBetter than our worst stretch of football since 2015?
Great. High praise.
Exactly, compare it to 2023 and see how it looks. Compared to a brutal start we are right on par.....
The partial excuse for the slow start in 2024 was the Country Club training camp and pre-season attitude if I remember correctly.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2025, 02:42:25 AMMany of the posters in this thread were complaining that the OC has to go. That his offense is underperforming.
The stats are not super impressive, but they show that the results this year are better than last year at this point.
O I am in agreement with you, sorry didn't make that clear. OC is going nowhere and isn't our biggest issue by far. O lives and dies on back of OL.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2025, 12:43:04 AMThis little stat always bothers me, whether Brady scores TD's or not doesn't really matter when Strev scores a TD at the end of almost every successful goal-line plunge. Anybody following the CFL understands Brady probably had a lot to do with getting the ball up to the goal-line.
Nope, not this year, and not last year. Brady has
not been the one moving the ball much in the red zone, and certainly not "just getting to the 1 for Strev". Remember, our team got a pittance of TDs in the first 6 games of '24, and even less from the red zone. And Brady didn't get out of the chicken box until, what, week 12? Most of our Strev work comes from DPIs or RECs getting close with YAC.
You're remembering the AH33 years!!
In fact, I was shocked as all heck to see Brady get that 10YD gut TD in LDC! Weren't you guys too? Shocked that was the call, and shocked it worked! And if we're shocked at our $225k RB doing mundane RB things that even $75k rookie SSK RB did twice, well then what does that say about the whole situation?
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2025, 03:35:56 PMespecially when he seemed to object to the two-point conversion play call, implying it was a "play every team runs" and therefore predictable.
Each OC/team should have a few 2PAT gimmee plays in their toolbox, for when the game is on the line. I'm sure each OC/team does. Except us.
How do I know we don't? Because we ran what IS a play that every team runs! It was a play you would run in the 1st Q to try to get a TD from the 3 or 5! It wasn't special at all.
What this tells me is we haven't drawn up any novel win-the-game 2PAT schemes, let alone practice them so we're ready. Dinwiddie wouldn't have blown this 2PAT...
This is the first clear failure from Hogan that I've seen. There should have been a completely novel scheme, with misdirection and movement everywhere, and some guy should have been wide open somewhere. This is the moment Eli or your FB or your 5th read becomes the hero and the opponent D is made to look foolish.
And I don't care about "muh execution" because it shouldn't come down to perfect Zach execution. I don't want to win that play with muscle/finesse, I want to win that play with my brain, and with the muscle/finesse acting as the gravy / buffer.
Quote from: Jesse on September 04, 2025, 11:50:40 PMThe thing is, the first half of last year was very bad. We were not in a play-off position, we had multiple rookies starting every position group because of catastrophic injuries. Brady didn't have a single score.
Remember how for the first 6-8 games in 2024 we couldn't score from the red zone if our life depended on it? That was like the whole news story that entire time. Not only Brady couldn't score but NO ONE could score. So many failed corner fades to Kenny... so many botched passes hitting DB's in the back of the head. Such a waste.
Let's hand it to Hogan: he's been scoring TDs in the red zone reliably from day 1. Massive improvement. Quick, someone give me the red zone % for first 8 games of '24 vs '25. I bet it'll shock you.
Quote from: Jesse on September 04, 2025, 11:50:40 PMThe thing is, the first half of last year was very bad. We were not in a play-off position, we had multiple rookies starting every position group because of catastrophic injuries. Brady didn't have a single score.
Being a couple points ahead of that squad is not an accomplishment. Last year was supposed to be an anomaly due to injury, not a terrible standard to hold ourselves to.
This, this, this. Being marginally better than this time a year ago is not and should not be a measuring stick.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 05, 2025, 01:22:49 PMThis, this, this. Being marginally better than this time a year ago is not and should not be a measuring stick.
Exactly, let's compare this season to the worst start in a decade to see if we are doing well...?
We have no wins against a team with a winning record after Labour Day. Let that sink in.
No reason for this imo this team is extremely talented. They need a person who puts the talent on the roster on D and a person who knows how to use the talent we have on O.
OK, last year was not a stellar year, but we made it to the cup.
Just saying, if we could make the cup with the start we had last year, and we've improved this year, its had to put the blame on the OC or say that he should be replaced, which is what this thread is all about.
I heard someone say that we could cross over, and end up meeting SSK in the GC at home. Wouldn't THAT be the best GC ever?
Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2025, 03:51:25 PMOK, last year was not a stellar year, but we made it to the cup.
And then got thoroughly embarrassed. Don't just ignore that part.
One shot from the 5 to tie. Let's throw a wide out to the guy on one pin who probably should not have even been rostered. Sound good?
PAN...PAN...PAN. JJ-LaPo Save our Souls!!!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 05, 2025, 04:07:53 PMAnd then got thoroughly embarrassed. Don't just ignore that part.
Did you see Zach/RECs in the 4th in the LDC? If Zach didn't get sliced up anything could have happened. Just because they got pretty outplayed up to that point doesn't mean they couldn't have pulled it off.
We got dealt a bum hand. Literally.
I believe this team just like last year can still do it. Tough blow with injury news today but next man up shall continue to be tested. Believe my friends, this run isn't over (yet). My physio person says Bombers will blow em out. I think tight game.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2025, 03:51:25 PMOK, last year was not a stellar year, but we made it to the cup.
Just saying, if we could make the cup with the start we had last year, and we've improved this year, its had to put the blame on the OC or say that he should be replaced, which is what this thread is all about.
I heard someone say that we could cross over, and end up meeting SSK in the GC at home. Wouldn't THAT be the best GC ever?
This team has the talent to win it all. No, question. They just don't see the field.
Case in point , DS last week playing on a torn ACL.
This is why the SOS was sent out, time is running out. Three compartments are already flooded and someone is too stubborn/refuses to batten the hatches.
Quote from: Strevy on September 06, 2025, 03:11:45 AMThis team has the talent to win it all. No, question. They just don't see the field.
Case in point , DS last week playing on a torn ACL.
This is why the SOS was sent out, time is running out. Three compartments are already flooded and someone is too stubborn/refuses to batten the hatches.
Ah, no we don't. Last year we had Kenny and schoen in our lineup, both gone, replaced by Mitchell who took half a season to get into shape. And Dobson was twice the left guard Wallace is. Defensively we lost ford and replaced him with ??
So as much as I d like to agree we have the talent to win it all, we really don't if you look objectively at who we lost another replacements have been
Quote from: dd on September 06, 2025, 03:33:39 AMAh, no we don't. Last year we had Kenny and schoen in our lineup
I'll bite... Kenny was missing 1/3 of last season and Schoen 3/4's. Wheatie and Clercius are both showing 2nd year improvement, so that's a plus vs '24. Demski, instead of being the fumble-meister is now looking like a legit league top-5. Kenny only had like 2 good games last season for us and did nothing but cost us 1st downs in the GC.
With Pokey back our REC corps might be better than last year.
Quote from: dd on September 06, 2025, 03:33:39 AMAnd Dobson was twice the left guard Wallace is.
Dobson wasn't great. He isn't looking too hot on his new team either.
Vant is at least as good a pass protector, and at worst a small downgrade on run block. Call it a wash.
Quote from: dd on September 06, 2025, 03:33:39 AMDefensively we lost ford and replaced him with ??
Houston. At worst, another wash. Maybe even an upgrade (minus the passport bonus) -- remains to be seen. Ford also has been doing nothing on his new team.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2025, 03:40:40 AMI'll bite... Kenny was missing 1/3 of last season and Schoen 3/4's. Wheatie and Clercius are both showing 2nd year improvement, so that's a plus vs '24. Demski, instead of being the fumble-meister is now looking like a legit league top-5. Kenny only had like 2 good games last season for us and did nothing but cost us 1st downs in the GC.
With Pokey back our REC corps might be better than last year.
Dobson wasn't great. He isn't looking too hot on his new team either.
Vant is at least as good a pass protector, and at worst a small downgrade on run block. Call it a wash.
Houston. At worst, another wash. Maybe even an upgrade (minus the passport bonus) -- remains to be seen. Ford also has been doing nothing on his new team.
Agree all but Ford > Houston imo
Happy you took the bait, I needed a break lol
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 06, 2025, 04:13:40 AMAgree all but Ford > Houston imo
When Houston left he was as stat-strong and touted as Ford when he left. Ford only seems better because of his passport.
Then they both stunk with their new teams. Because their new teams stunk.
It will be interesting to see who ends up "better" by the end of this season. It'll be close, but I think Houston will win out. I bet he shuts down that side completely and teams will only test the Vaval/Lawson side (whichever wins the spot).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2025, 04:16:40 AMWhen Houston left he was as stat-strong and touted as Ford when he left. Ford only seems better because of his passport.
Then they both stunk with their new teams. Because their new teams stunk.
It will be interesting to see who ends up "better" by the end of this season. It'll be close, but I think Houston will win out. I bet he shuts down that side completely and teams will only test the Vaval/Lawson side (whichever wins the spot).
I can't argue with you here
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 06, 2025, 04:25:05 AMI can't argue with you here
That might be but we are not a Championship level team at this point IMO with our Interior DL, the Bombers seem more interested in getting a
Draft pick by playing Nationals than putting the best players on the field. And if the 2 American DL players on the PR are not good enough then its a failure of our GM and Scouting departments. Our OL has gotten weaker year over years. Calgary and SASK are top teams this year because they win in the Trenches the Bombers are middle of the pack on the OL and DL.The Bombers need to do something to improve our OL and DL asap otherwise we have no hope of winning any big games. And that is more important than ever since Zach's skills are clearly on the decline even though no one on the Coaching Staff is willing to publicly admit it ( and I don't blame them ) but all the more reason to try something different.
And having a new OC that is still learning isn't helping he hasn't been terrible but he hasn't helped things either.
Quote from: BBFANDM on September 06, 2025, 05:24:45 AMThat might be but we are not a Championship level team at this point IMO with our Interior DL, the Bombers seem more interested in getting a
Draft pick by playing Nationals than putting the best players on the field. And if the 2 American DL players on the PR are not good enough then its a failure of our GM and Scouting departments. Our OL has gotten weaker year over years.
I seriously think we've found ways to win with a non-traditional "smaller" "weaker" (cheaper!) DL. We've been doing it since '24, and that strategy got us to the cup. I think in FA Younger/MOS say "don't prioritize DT, prioritize X Y Z". I don't think they're screaming for DT beasts like CGY & SSK have.
And it may pay off, because then you can spend that $X saved on monster DTs elsewhere. And if you can find ways to win that don't involve sacks or stopping runs behind the LoS, then who's to say this isn't the best approach for us?
I actually like it when a team does some outside the box thinking. It doesn't have to all be by-the-book football. One could say Mafia has never really done things by the book at every position. And we've had sustained success.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2025, 07:11:30 AMI seriously think we've found ways to win with a non-traditional "smaller" "weaker" (cheaper!) DL. We've been doing it since '24, and that strategy got us to the cup. I think in FA Younger/MOS say "don't prioritize DT, prioritize X Y Z". I don't think they're screaming for DT beasts like CGY & SSK have.
And it may pay off, because then you can spend that $X saved on monster DTs elsewhere. And if you can find ways to win that don't involve sacks or stopping runs behind the LoS, then who's to say this isn't the best approach for us?
I actually like it when a team does some outside the box thinking. It doesn't have to all be by-the-book football. One could say Mafia has never really done things by the book at every position. And we've had sustained success.
Do you think Woods or Adams are
making more than JT? Not likely, it's costing us.
Once again, they can replace his 7 tackles and one RTP for a lot less.
Damian Jackson syndrome. The real talent is there but for some reason.....
Change out the Captain and an inexperienced first mate and we sail through to a home GC appearance imo. It's really that simple.
If we don't, compartments 4-7 fill and the band plays on for another GC hosting season.
I'm with Techno. DL isn't as weak as some suggest. An average unit. Latest injury doesn't help. OL needs to get healthy and our season is on their back. If 100% our OL is average imo.
Zach is old but still has the ability to take us to the big show imo.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2025, 07:11:30 AMI seriously think we've found ways to win with a non-traditional "smaller" "weaker" (cheaper!) DL. We've been doing it since '24, and that strategy got us to the cup. I think in FA Younger/MOS say "don't prioritize DT, prioritize X Y Z". I don't think they're screaming for DT beasts like CGY & SSK have.
And it may pay off, because then you can spend that $X saved on monster DTs elsewhere.
And if you can find ways to win that don't involve sacks or stopping runs behind the LoS, then who's to say this isn't the best approach for us?
I actually like it when a team does some outside the box thinking. It doesn't have to all be by-the-book football. One could say Mafia has never really done things by the book at every position. And we've had sustained success.
Like Mitchell, Logan, J Jones...Their in league American scouting was terrible.
Quote from: bunker on September 06, 2025, 01:31:51 PMLike Mitchell, Logan, J Jones...Their in league American scouting was terrible.
Yeah, that ship has sailed.
Quote from: bunker on September 06, 2025, 01:31:51 PMLike Mitchell, Logan, J Jones...Their in league American scouting was terrible.
Mitchell is serviceable and would have been great to have in week one to improve. Has return experience as well. Too bad he wasn't a Navy Seal or at least dressed up like one for Halloween.
Logan looks not ready and should not be rostered until he is.
J.Jones is a stud and should be playing.
This roster is managed like a kids lemonade stand at times.
Quote from: Strevy on September 06, 2025, 03:11:45 AMThis team has the talent to win it all. No, question. They just don't see the field.
Case in point , DS last week playing on a torn ACL.
This is why the SOS was sent out, time is running out. Three compartments are already flooded and someone is too stubborn/refuses to batten the hatches.
DS was cleared for play. You can play without any ligaments in your knee. Can't remember the QB we had that went through games in college without knee ligaments. A healed ACL can re-injure more easily, of course because it is weakened by the previous injury.
It wasn't some urgent need to have him in the lineup because were had "bad roster management". He was cleared to play, and he wanted to play. You can't force a player to stay on the IR if he is cleared to play.
ACL's are tricky buggers, and seem to plaque players that need to turn fast at speed. Not sure why he wasn't wearing a brace of some sort.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 06, 2025, 04:25:31 PMDS was cleared for play. You can play without any ligaments in your knee. Can't remember the QB we had that went through games in college without knee ligaments. A healed ACL can re-injure more easily, of course because it is weakened by the previous injury.
Robert Marve.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 06, 2025, 04:25:31 PMDS was cleared for play. You can play without any ligaments in your knee. Can't remember the QB we had that went through games in college without knee ligaments. A healed ACL can re-injure more easily, of course because it is weakened by the previous injury.
It wasn't some urgent need to have him in the lineup because were had "bad roster management". He was cleared to play, and he wanted to play. You can't force a player to stay on the IR if he is cleared to play.
ACL's are tricky buggers, and seem to plaque players that need to turn fast at speed. Not sure why he wasn't wearing a brace of some sort.
And guess what happened to him, lol.
In regards to DS, the team decides who to play. And I normally wouldn't be opposed to players trying to play through injury if it's a net positive for the team - but we have a growing list of examples of players rushing back too soon and getting immediately injured again and it shows very poorly on our training and coaching staff, imo.
Your love for "JJ" is romantic. The guy is as incompetent as Hogan. However, That guy really is a un proven rookie as an OC. JJ has been around.
However, who the team is bringing in....or more accurately not bringing in is the greater concern.
The older guys I thought would go out gracefully. However. It looks like they have resigned already. Collaros should be getting a bonus for living behind that porous line.
Sadly, in what could have been a great final season, we have a pretty poor collection of players. The GM has nit brought anyone in to really pay to watch. Or is it that the team was building? A suspension to start the year, injuries, next, a poor blend of offensive plays and offensive linemen, a defensive coordinator? Who plays a bend but break. Tiny people playing defensive back poorly. Well you know it.
Oh well.
Quote from: DM83 on September 06, 2025, 07:10:06 PMYour love for "JJ" is romantic. The guy is as incompetent as Hogan. However, That guy really is a un proven rookie as an OC. JJ has been around.
However, who the team is bringing in....or more accurately not bringing in is the greater concern.
The older guys I thought would go out gracefully. However. It looks like they have resigned already. Collaros should be getting a bonus for living behind that porous line.
Sadly, in what could have been a great final season, we have a pretty poor collection of players. The GM has nit brought anyone in to really pay to watch. Or is it that the team was building? A suspension to start the year, injuries, next, a poor blend of offensive plays and offensive linemen, a defensive coordinator? Who plays a bend but break. Tiny people playing defensive back poorly. Well you know it.
Oh well.
JJ brought the Elks back to playoff contention after CJ last season.
He is not my choice for OC.
LaPo is, JJ for HC.
The players are there. Just need to roster them.
The Captain and one first mate are sinking the SS Bomber.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 06, 2025, 04:25:31 PMDS was cleared for play. You can play without any ligaments in your knee. Can't remember the QB we had that went through games in college without knee ligaments. A healed ACL can re-injure more easily, of course because it is weakened by the previous injury.
It wasn't some urgent need to have him in the lineup because were had "bad roster management". He was cleared to play, and he wanted to play. You can't force a player to stay on the IR if he is cleared to play.
ACL's are tricky buggers, and seem to plaque players that need to turn fast at speed. Not sure why he wasn't wearing a brace of some sort.
First quote - you are right, they are weakened, first 9 months are the most risky, and it gets better from there in most cases. Sometimes it is essentially as good "original equipment".
Second quote - I didn't look for this, but in hindsight - he was playing with a known re-injured, or even re-blown, ACL, and he wasn't wearing a brace?! How can that be? Having no ACL is unstable - a brace can help mitigate the difficulties, but without a brace at all? Seems crazy.
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 06, 2025, 09:36:32 PMFirst quote - you are right, they are weakened, first 9 months are the most risky, and it gets better from there in most cases. Sometimes it is essentially as good "original equipment".
Second quote - I didn't look for this, but in hindsight - he was playing with a known re-injured, or even re-blown, ACL, and he wasn't wearing a brace?! How can that be? Having no ACL is unstable - a brace can help mitigate the difficulties, but without a brace at all? Seems crazy.
Poor roster management, sit him. The guy likely needed surgery. Unbelievable.
Let the change begin!
Quote from: Strevy on September 06, 2025, 09:54:38 PMPoor roster management, sit him. The guy likely needed surgery. Unbelievable.
"Poor roster management"?
How original...
Maybe change your name from "Strevy" to "Poor Roster Management"
Quote from: Strevy on September 06, 2025, 10:30:19 PMLet the change begin!
Ah, this is a great post to see with
Guest. ;D
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 08, 2025, 01:23:24 PMAh, this is a great post to see with Guest. ;D
I'm a refugee from mbb. "Guest" is(I'm pretty sure) "Booch" who spends a lot of time at that forum attacking Mike OShea, at one point he posted that he, himself could coach the team to a better record than Mike.😂
Final clue for me was when he mentioned (in a recent post here) "the navy seal"
Recurring theme he rode into the ground at mbb. That player really got under his skin for some reason.
Quote from: markf on September 08, 2025, 02:00:51 PMI'm a refugee from mbb. "Guest" is(I'm pretty sure) "Booch" who spends a lot of time at that forum attacking Mike OShea, at one point he posted that he, himself could coach the team to a better record than Mike.😂
Final clue for me was when he mentioned (in a recent post here) "the navy seal"
Recurring theme he rode into the ground at mbb. That player really got under his skin for some reason.
Nah, I think he's Road Griller. Bring back Lapo? How about Justin Goltz? :D
Quote from: markf on September 08, 2025, 02:00:51 PMI'm a refugee from mbb. "Guest" is(I'm pretty sure) "Booch" who spends a lot of time at that forum attacking Mike OShea, at one point he posted that he, himself could coach the team to a better record than Mike.😂
Final clue for me was when he mentioned (in a recent post here) "the navy seal"
Recurring theme he rode into the ground at mbb. That player really got under his skin for some reason.
I don't think it was Booch but definitely someone from MBB trying to stir the pot.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 08, 2025, 06:26:16 PMI don't think it was Booch but definitely someone from MBB trying to stir the pot.
Maybe it was Nasty Nate!!! I do miss the guy he was fun!!!!
Quote from: BBRT on September 08, 2025, 07:14:09 PMMaybe it was Nasty Nate!!! I do miss the guy he was fun!!!!
in case you were wondering what NN is up to these days...its him in the picture (Morris Bay)
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/2024/02/24/incorporating-verse
Quote from: markf on September 08, 2025, 02:00:51 PMI'm a refugee from mbb. "Guest" is(I'm pretty sure) "Booch" who spends a lot of time at that forum attacking Mike OShea, at one point he posted that he, himself could coach the team to a better record than Mike.😂
Final clue for me was when he mentioned (in a recent post here) "the navy seal"
Recurring theme he rode into the ground at mbb. That player really got under his skin for some reason.
Booch has stated that he is former Blue Bomber Brandon Dyson. He has a very different style to his posts.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on September 08, 2025, 11:20:52 PMBooch has stated that he is former Blue Bomber Brandon Dyson. He has a very different style to his posts.
really?? often wondered as he has hinted long ago he played. never would have guessed.
Hogan's play calling has been very predictable and weak to say the least. He turned an MVP QB and RB into normal players. Our O-line isn't doing well and our receivers aren't doing much.
On defence, things aren't much better. Younger looks totally lost on the sidelines sometimes and other times, he looks half awake.
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on September 09, 2025, 02:51:50 AMHogan's play calling has been very predictable and weak to say the least. He turned an MVP QB and RB into normal players. Our O-line isn't doing well and our receivers aren't doing much.
On defence, things aren't much better. Younger looks totally lost on the sidelines sometimes and other times, he looks half awake.
Hogan is a rookie OC and will learn as he goes.
He didn't turn our QB and RB into anything, they still the players they were before.
Our OL is hurt and needs work.
Our receivers are fine imo with our one of our top guys out for the season and Sterns hurt. Wilson is lights out good and so is Demski. Wheat has a lot of promise.
Our DC is good to great backed by an all time great Hall. Defense has been ok and coming on imo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 09, 2025, 03:55:40 AMHogan is a rookie OC and will learn as he goes.
He didn't turn our QB and RB into anything, they still the players they were before.
Our OL is hurt and needs work.
Our receivers are fine imo with our one of our top guys out for the season and Sterns hurt. Wilson is lights out good and so is Demski. Wheat has a lot of promise.
Our DC is good to great backed by an all time great Hall. Defense has been ok and coming on imo.
Lets hope he learns but so far he hasn't helped the team very much and his QB has be knocked out of 3 games ( and he could be done for the season at this point ) and at least part of that is his fault. Lapo was our best OC since O'Shea took over the job he allowed Zach to play in a system that protected him first and allowed him to do what he did in 2019 2020 however our offense has been on a slow decline since then. A good offense starts with protecting the QB, Zach's decline in play is partly due to him getting older howerver its more to do with the lack of protection schemes and the oline talent and play. O'Shea has proven to be a very good Head Coach one of the best in the league but he still has the same weaknesses and needs to put his ego aside and do what is best for the team.