https://packerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/08/26/packers-releasing-rookie-qb-taylor-elgersma-practice-squad-next/85830916007/
Elgersma will now go through the waiver process. If unclaimed, Elgersma can sign with the Packers practice squad starting on Wednesday.
Boy, it really would be nice and perfect timing if he should come up here to dev with us for some of '25 and all of '26 and see if we can make a starter out of him in '27 when Zach retires!
Assuming he can be at least Dru (or Rourke?) quality... having a starting NAT QB would really be ratio-handy!
its almost a lock that GB puts him.on pr
Quote from: Pete on August 27, 2025, 04:06:20 AMits almost a lock that GB puts him.on pr
That must mean "released" means a different thing down there than up here! We don't "release" a guy to the PR!
CFL release = cut = out the door = apple & map = bye
NFL release = roster shuffle?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 27, 2025, 04:13:39 AMThat must mean "released" means a different thing down there than up here! We don't "release" a guy to the PR!
CFL release = cut = out the door = apple & map = bye
NFL release = roster shuffle?
We do release guys onto the PR. They need to be cut from their contract and signed to a separate PR deal.
What I think is different in the NFL is after they are released they run through waivers, so each team is given the opportunity to sign each released player before they are free to sign onto a PR.
He's had a pretty good pre season, I'm sure he's sticking around.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 27, 2025, 04:13:39 AMThat must mean "released" means a different thing down there than up here! We don't "release" a guy to the PR!
CFL release = cut = out the door = apple & map = bye
NFL release = roster shuffle?
They have waivers. Any team NFL team can claim him in the waiver period (24 hours) and he becomes their property, if no one does then Green Bay can put him on their PR.
Elgersma will stay south of the border for this season for sure, and maybe for a Streveler length of time.
The fact that Collaros is signed at a high price for next year reduces his likelyhood of coming north. Unless Collaros calls it a career, I can't see him wanting to come here on an ELC to back up.
Rourke has set the bar for this situation.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 27, 2025, 02:24:03 PMElgersma will stay south of the border for this season for sure, and maybe for a Streveler length of time.
The fact that Collaros is signed at a high price for next year reduces his likelyhood of coming north. Unless Collaros calls it a career, I can't see him wanting to come here on an ELC to back up.
Rourke has set the bar for this situation.
Rourke was already the starter in Vancouver so it's not the same situation.
A reminder that most quarterbacks who come to the CFL fail.
Odds are Elgersma doesn't even turn into Streveler.
sounds like GB will be adding him to the PR if he clears waivers.
Quote from: Waffler on August 27, 2025, 01:05:41 PMThey have waivers. Any team NFL team can claim him in the waiver period (24 hours) and he becomes their property, if no one does then Green Bay can put him on their PR.
Wasn't that long ago the CFL also had waivers and every team had the option of picking up any player deleted from the roster being moved to the PR. I believe the waiver period was 24 hours as well, being the CFL the GM's had an un-written agreement not to mess with other team's players, but it still happened occasionally.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 27, 2025, 02:24:03 PMElgersma will stay south of the border for this season for sure, and maybe for a Streveler length of time.
The fact that Collaros is signed at a high price for next year reduces his likelyhood of coming north. Unless Collaros calls it a career, I can't see him wanting to come here on an ELC to back up.
Rourke has set the bar for this situation.
If he gets cut from the PR and no other NFL team picks him up from year one onward, like Rourke the CFL becomes his best choice for playing pro football and any demands for a big pay contract or a starting job would fall on deaf ears. I'm sure his agent would inform him of all this before any of it happened though, so not an issue.
Doesn't look like he will get a PR spot, per Farhan and a few NFL sources. GB passed on both him and clifford.
Naylor stated he doesn't think he'll sign with the bombers immediately.
My guess is he'll sign in the off season with us then battle it out with Wilson and Chase Artopoeus.
Goes to show how much weight you can put on training camp reports. Im not sure the bombers want Elgersma to sign this year , we still hold his rights and if we cant risk putting him on pr then which qb do you sit of streveler and wilson?
Other option would be to put him on one games i guess.
Add him and cut Wilson is my vote.
Quote from: Pete on August 27, 2025, 05:21:45 PMGoes to show how much wait you can put on training camp reports. Im not sure the bombers want Elgersma to sign this year , we still hold his rights and if we cant risk putting him on pr then which qb do you sit of streveler and wilson?
Other option would be to put him on one games i guess.
It's better if he doesn't sign until 2026. In that way we get the full value of a 3 year deal. Yes he could in theory leave after the 1st year but that seems less likely. In theory he would probably not see much game action in his 1st year.
Quote from: peg_city on August 27, 2025, 04:43:26 PMDoesn't look like he will get a PR spot, per Farhan and a few NFL sources. GB passed on both him and clifford.
Naylor stated he doesn't think he'll sign with the bombers immediately.
My guess is he'll sign in the off season with us then battle it out with Wilson and Chase Artopoeus.
Training camp reports were pretty unanimous that he was a very raw prospect. Fans get excited about preseason numbers but it seems he was never anything more than a camp arm.
Quote from: Jesse on August 27, 2025, 06:14:52 PMTraining camp reports were pretty unanimous that he was a very raw prospect. Fans get excited about preseason numbers but it seems he was never anything more than a camp arm.
I don't watch a lot of NFL football, but I've come to the conclusion (after watching pre-season football as well as a bit of NFL from last season) that there are a handful of CFL QBs who are good enough to make an NFL roster.
I'm not saying starting, but better than a number of back-ups. And better than the vast majority of QBs on the PR.
Quote from: peg_city on August 27, 2025, 06:24:34 PMI don't watch a lot of NFL football, but I've come to the conclusion (after watching pre-season football as well as a bit of NFL from last season) that there are a handful of CFL QBs who are good enough to make an NFL roster.
I'm not saying starting, but better than a number of back-ups. And better than the vast majority of QBs on the PR.
Elgersma specifically was coming out of USports. He just hasn't had the same training for as long as most American QBs.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 27, 2025, 05:47:17 PMIt's better if he doesn't sign until 2026. In that way we get the full value of a 3 year deal. Yes he could in theory leave after the 1st year but that seems less likely. In theory he would probably not see much game action in his 1st year.
The alternative is to steal a page from the NHL. Sign him now to burn a year on his entry level contract. That puts him 1 year closer to a payout, assuming he is the real deal.
Quote from: peg_city on August 27, 2025, 03:35:49 PMA reminder that most quarterbacks who come to the CFL fail.
Odds are Elgersma doesn't even turn into Streveler.
Difference is Elgersma has all the tools. Size, accuracy, arm strength and played Canadian football.
A player that was drafted by an NFL team, probably has a leg up on an undrafted player competing for a spot.
So if they are at all close, the drafted guy will get the spot.
Draft picks are valuable assets, it's a sub industry in the NFL.
if you appear to be wasting those you look bad to the owner. And one step closer to losing your high paying job.
Quote from: markf on August 27, 2025, 07:29:48 PMA player that was drafted by an NFL team, probably has a leg up on an undrafted player competing for a spot.
So if they are at all close, the drafted guy will get the spot.
Draft picks are valuable assets, it's a sub industry in the NFL.
if you appear to be wasting those you look bad to the owner. And one step closer to losing your high paying job.
It's one of the wonderful things about the CFL. No draft for US players, and teams don't care what college you went to, so you get your chance and if you show something, then you get the job.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on August 27, 2025, 06:48:35 PMDifference is Elgersma has all the tools. Size, accuracy, arm strength and played Canadian football.
I agree. He also moves very well. I believe he will be as good as Rourke.
Quote from: peg_city on August 27, 2025, 07:37:59 PMIt's one of the wonderful things about the CFL. No draft for US players, and teams don't care what college you went to, so you get your chance and if you show something, then you get the job.
Absolutely.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 27, 2025, 06:42:06 PMThe alternative is to steal a page from the NHL. Sign him now to burn a year on his entry level contract. That puts him 1 year closer to a payout, assuming he is the real deal.
That's better for him but not necessarily for the team. He could sign with Winnipeg today and still leave before the start of 2026.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 27, 2025, 06:42:06 PMThe alternative is to steal a page from the NHL. Sign him now to burn a year on his entry level contract. That puts him 1 year closer to a payout, assuming he is the real deal.
If he wants to return do we have a choice not to sign him and still retain his rights?
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 27, 2025, 06:42:06 PMThe alternative is to steal a page from the NHL. Sign him now to burn a year on his entry level contract. That puts him 1 year closer to a payout, assuming he is the real deal.
Why would a CFL GM bargain away an advantage he has in legal negotiation, unless the player first demanded it? I don't think the CFL has ever had a Lindros situation were a player refused to sign a contract with the team that drafted him.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 27, 2025, 06:42:06 PMThe alternative is to steal a page from the NHL. Sign him now to burn a year on his entry level contract. That puts him 1 year closer to a payout, assuming he is the real deal.
I'm not an expert but I think the calculations in the NHL are different. NHL teams control their draft picks for their entry level and RFA contracts, which is usually 7 years, so much longer than the 3 year control in the CFL. Also, its not only used as a strategy to rewards players in order to get them to sign, but also to allow their contract extensions to occur one year earlier, at a time when the player has produced less, and can be signed for a lower salary. I don't think the same considerations apply in the CFL. But its an interesting idea.
funny how things work .. 9 months ago Elgersma was likely hoping that hed be a high cfl pick, one taste of nfl training camp and its hang around just in case..similar to Wilson
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Perfect. Hope he's signed in the next few days.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 28, 2025, 01:02:57 AMCanadian QB Taylor Elgersma weighing NFL options before looking at CFL
Dumb. If there's not some immediate calls he should totally come up here to get film. N.Rourke did it. Strev did it. If you want the NFL to take you more seriously, blow up this league first, then they'll take longer looks at you.
However, I do agree that it might be better from a Bomber standpoint if he does waste some more time down there, at least until Dec. I'd rather have Wilson on SY and backup-to-backup than a straight-outta-school guy.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 28, 2025, 01:22:01 AMPerfect. Hope he's signed in the next few days.
Ya... but the roster capacity situation! We'd almost be forced to AR him to "protect" him. That's not a great idea now that we're already at week 13.
true but we can likely afford to 1 game him each week like we did with jones
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 28, 2025, 01:23:06 AMYa... but the roster capacity situation! We'd almost be forced to AR him to "protect" him. That's not a great idea now that we're already at week 13.
Two options. Pay him a third string QB wage and put him in the PR or add him to the roster and put Wilson on the PR.
Fans make a big deal about PR poaching but it almost never happens and is zero risk because it's easily blocked.
Problem solved.
How likely is it that Elgersma will step onto the CFL field for the first time and light up the league, like Rourke? Is that a pipe dream? Is he going the need the usual 1-3 year dev (like, say, Dru)?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 28, 2025, 02:07:47 AMHow likely is it that Elgersma will step onto the CFL field for the first time and light up the league, like Rourke? Is that a pipe dream? Is he going the need the usual 1-3 year dev (like, say, Dru)?
1.5 yrs
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 28, 2025, 01:22:08 AMDumb. If there's not some immediate calls he should totally come up here to get film. N.Rourke did it. Strev did it. If you want the NFL to take you more seriously, blow up this league first, then they'll take longer looks at you.
However, I do agree that it might be better from a Bomber standpoint if he does waste some more time down there, at least until Dec. I'd rather have Wilson on SY and backup-to-backup than a straight-outta-school guy.
Don't care who he is, unlikely to immediately surpass the 2 QB's that have been paying their dues all season long on a MOS team. "Wanta play football sonny? Get in line."
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 28, 2025, 02:07:47 AMHow likely is it that Elgersma will step onto the CFL field for the first time and light up the league, like Rourke? Is that a pipe dream? Is he going the need the usual 1-3 year dev (like, say, Dru)?
He's a loooong shot at best to make the cfl. I saw him play in the varied cup, and he didn't look that good at all in that game. I am actually shocked he got an nfl look at all.
Quote from: dd on August 28, 2025, 03:15:21 AMHe's a loooong shot at best to make the cfl. I saw him play in the varied cup, and he didn't look that good at all in that game. I am actually shocked he got an nfl look at all.
But wasn't his reg season amazing? And didn't he win some high-falutin' Canadian football trophy?
At the very least he's worth a normal dev-path look? Kind of like Ford.
https://3downnation.com/2025/08/27/canadian-qb-taylor-elgersma-works-out-for-new-york-giants-sources/
Working out for the Giants. So he still has some NFL interest. They say he has the tools but raw so we will see if any team wants him to hang around and learn. It will be a while yet before we know.
Quote from: Waffler on August 28, 2025, 10:54:34 AMhttps://3downnation.com/2025/08/27/canadian-qb-taylor-elgersma-works-out-for-new-york-giants-sources/
Working out for the Giants. So he still has some NFL interest. They say he has the tools but raw so we will see if any team wants him to hang around and learn. It will be a while yet before we know.
There are certain teams that always look at CFL/Canadian talent.
Giants are one of them. I wouldn't read too mcuh into it.
Giants have a loaded QB room
Russell
Dart
Winston
Devito
He ain't sticking there!
Yeah Giants, Jets, Atlanta and GreenBay come to mind as teams that use a shotgun approach
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 28, 2025, 12:26:48 PMGiants have a loaded QB room
Russell
Dart
Winston
Devito
He ain't sticking there!
Giants released QB Devito.
Quote from: Jesse on August 28, 2025, 12:06:24 PMThere are certain teams that always look at CFL/Canadian talent.
Giants are one of them. I wouldn't read too mcuh into it.
Agree.
The problem he's going to face is that since the talent pool is so large for QBs in the NFL that having an "NFL arm" and "NFL size" isn't likely going to be enough on its own. Nearly all the drafted QBs have NFL arm strength and size and if they don't, they have above average athletics and the advantage of coming up through the NCAA system and usually elite coaching before that too.
Green Bay knows quarterbacks and needs a third QB and they didn't keep him. I think that's most telling.
Giants did release Devito with the intent of adding him to their PR but New England claimed him. Presumably this means the Giants have a spot open on the PR for a QB. A good break for Elgersma.
I use a mathematical formula to calculate when a CFL player/Canadian comes back to the CFL after an NFL stint:
z = 1.6x + y
where:
z = when they actually come back
x = when they should come back
y = when they want to come back
x = 1 almost always (i.e. right away)
works every time.
Seriously tho, we have this discussion every year. Awesome prospect lights up the CFL, they go South, get nothing, wait around forever, sometimes come back and do well but hardly ever live up to expectations. I know I sound mean but I share everyone's frustration when you think something cool will happen and then it just fizzles.
Hope I'm wrong about this, and especially the Pokey situation.
Quote from: blue_or_die on August 28, 2025, 06:22:54 PMI use a mathematical formula to calculate when a CFL player/Canadian comes back to the CFL after an NFL stint:
z = 1.6x + y
where:
z = when they actually come back
x = when they should come back
y = when they want to come back
x = 1 almost always (i.e. right away)
works every time.
Seriously tho, we have this discussion every year. Awesome prospect lights up the CFL, they go South, get nothing, wait around forever, sometimes come back and do well but hardly ever live up to expectations. I know I sound mean but I share everyone's frustration when you think something cool will happen and then it just fizzles.
Hope I'm wrong about this, and especially the Pokey situation.
Yeah, but Toronto and Sask already got their receivers back.
Unfair.
Quote from: blue_or_die on August 28, 2025, 06:22:54 PMI use a mathematical formula to calculate when a CFL player/Canadian comes back to the CFL after an NFL stint:
z = 1.6x + y
where:
z = when they actually come back
x = when they should come back
y = when they want to come back
x = 1 almost always (i.e. right away)
works every time.
Seriously tho, we have this discussion every year. Awesome prospect lights up the CFL, they go South, get nothing, wait around forever, sometimes come back and do well but hardly ever live up to expectations. I know I sound mean but I share everyone's frustration when you think something cool will happen and then it just fizzles.
Hope I'm wrong about this, and especially the Pokey situation.
I don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson
Quote from: dd on August 29, 2025, 02:39:32 AMI don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson
I dunno. I think Pokey has a >50% chance of being big time (here). He could be the next Kenny. Pokey did better in his rookie year than Kenny did. He flashed signs of being able to make the Kenny circus catches, too. Something really no other WPG has done (not Wheatie and not even Schoen). There were some Pokey catches that were like "no way anyone can make it to this ball".
If we get him back we have a great, balanced REC corps. Route-master swiss-army knife Demski, clutch nose-for-the-hole and scramble-king Schoen, home-run diver Pokey. Emperor probably rounds out the NAT spot along with pick-your-fave in last (probably Wheats right now, maybe Moore later).
Wilson is a better WR than Wheatfall.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 29, 2025, 03:23:12 AMWilson is a better WR than Wheatfall.
Maybe he is , maybe he isn't. Wheatfall is presently playing for us, Wilson isn't
Quote from: dd on August 29, 2025, 02:39:32 AMI don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson
Dam, this is SUCH a hot take!! I don't agree at all but I kinda love this as a conversation-starter.
IMO if Wilson comes back he is instantly seen as our number 1 unless/until Dalton becomes the Dalton we all know he can be when he's healthy and dialed in.
Getting Wilson and Schoen back instantly elevates our rec core from patchwork to tops of the league when you add Demski (#3 playing like a #1) and Wheatie (who I share your love for actually). The Clerk also has more in him and I don't think Hogan is using him right (but that's for another thread).
Imagine Wilson on the boundary, Wheatie on field side, and then having Schoen, Demsk and Clerk in the middle. Mix in some Brady receiving yards. That's fire imo.
Quote from: blue_or_die on August 29, 2025, 01:50:49 PMDam, this is SUCH a hot take!! I don't agree at all but I kinda love this as a conversation-starter.
IMO if Wilson comes back he is instantly seen as our number 1 unless/until Dalton becomes the Dalton we all know he can be when he's healthy and dialed in.
Getting Wilson and Schoen back instantly elevates our rec core from patchwork to tops of the league when you add Demski (#3 playing like a #1) and Wheatie (who I share your love for actually). The Clerk also has more in him and I don't think Hogan is using him right (but that's for another thread).
Imagine Wilson on the boundary, Wheatie on field side, and then having Schoen, Demsk and Clerk in the middle. Mix in some Brady receiving yards. That's fire imo.
It's definitely worth a conversation. Wilson got 20% of his yearly yardage in one game last year (The 200 yarder which is the reason why everyone loves him). He was consistent but not dominate or anything during the last third of the year. He really had a big middle of the season during the weeks without Lawler/Schoen. After Lawler came back, there were a couple of week were Wilson still outperformed him and then Lawler took over as first read.
That said, I think Wilson proved he could be the guy when placed into that role. Especially with Schoen in there as well. And Wheatfall might find himself more open if he's not the only down field threat.
Quote from: dd on August 29, 2025, 02:39:32 AMI don't think you're wrong at all. Wilson is an ok receiver but he isn't a game changer. Solid receiver but I wouldn't put him ahead of Wheatie and certainly not ahead of demski. So he's a number 3 receiver at best he ain't no Kenny lawler and some are making him out to be more than he actually is. I am more excited about getting dalton back than i ever will be for Wilson
I think Pokey is a little better than ok, he gained over 1,000 yds. with 298 yds in YAC in his rookie season, mostly running curls and catching the ball while stationary. Later in the season Zach started to trust him a little more and hit him in motion, he can be an extremely dangerous in space if he has the right QB to lead him.
He has fantastic hands.
Quote from: Jesse on August 29, 2025, 02:38:14 PMIt's definitely worth a conversation. Wilson got 20% of his yearly yardage in one game last year (The 200 yarder which is the reason why everyone loves him). He was consistent but not dominate or anything during the last third of the year. He really had a big middle of the season during the weeks without Lawler/Schoen. After Lawler came back, there were a couple of week were Wilson still outperformed him and then Lawler took over as first read.
That said, I think Wilson proved he could be the guy when placed into that role. Especially with Schoen in there as well. And Wheatfall might find himself more open if he's not the only down field threat.
OK, fair, I'm only going by eyeball test and memory. Really seemed like he was dynamic every game he played and that was only his first year. I'll maintain he's first read with Lawler gone if he comes back this year.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 29, 2025, 04:15:22 PMI think Pokey is a little better than ok, he gained over 1,000 yds. with 298 yds in YAC in his rookie season, mostly running curls and catching the ball while stationary. Later in the season Zach started to trust him a little more and hit him in motion, he can be an extremely dangerous in space if he has the right QB to lead him.
He has fantastic hands.
Wilson is considerably better after the catch than Wheatfall. He had some remarkable runs with the ball last season.
Wheatfall is good at catching the ball, and brave, but not very elusive.
It's quite noticeable with the guys we have now, first tackler brings them down. Except Demski of course.
Quote from: markf on August 29, 2025, 08:06:27 PMIt's quite noticeable with the guys we have now, first tackler brings them down. Except Demski of course.
Pokey would often make the one guy miss (especially near the rail) and escape for more YAC or TD. Ya, the other guys aren't doing that much. Except Demski. He's superb.
Funny... I was looking for this pokey convo and finally found it at the bottom of this Elgersma thread! Hilarious, as there's another thread just for Pokey!
We need Pokey back ...pronto....Watching the hi-lites of his receptions, just proves how good this guy really is....Walters I'm sure is on the phone....Get him back here and give him a solid contract
Quote from: blueraid on August 30, 2025, 05:32:53 PMWe need Pokey back ...pronto....Watching the hi-lites of his receptions, just proves how good this guy really is....Walters I'm sure is on the phone....Get him back here and give him a solid contract
Maybe Walters brings Pokey in for a surprise press conference before the Banjo Bowl, sort of a kick off to the 2nd half of the season!
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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 30, 2025, 05:47:54 PMMaybe Walters brings Pokey in for a surprise press conference before the Banjo Bowl, sort of a kick off to the 2nd half of the season!
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I could see the Bombers announcing Pokey's signing on Monday.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 30, 2025, 06:44:05 PMI could see the Bombers announcing Pokey's signing on Monday.
Mainlining the hopium for that STRAIGHT FIRE
He was back in Canada Saturday watching his old team. He got interviewed and at the end it seems like the New York work out did not result in a contract.
Says he has to see how things play out in the next couple days, evaluate what the best path for himself is. Work hard and stay ready is what he wants to do.
https://youtu.be/HJn_5DiDxwo?t=71
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 04:47:36 AMMainlining the hopium for that STRAIGHT FIRE
It's Monday and the Bombers have signed Pokey, go figure.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 06:42:32 PMIt's Monday and the Bombers have signed Pokey, go figure.
I wasn't making fun, I was asking for a hit of that hopium too! I like the hopium as much as anyone. And sometimes, but rarely, that hopium delivers. No complaints here.
The QB Elgersma was competing with for 3rd string or PR has found himself a job in Cincinnati. A spot became open due to injury.
Sean Clifford competed with Canadian standout UDFA Taylor Elgersma for the QB3 role, but it turns out that neither player won that competition. When the Packers signed former Arizona Cardinals backup Clayton Tune to the practice squad, both Clifford and Elgersma were not retained.
You could see why he waits. At this point I think he will wait the whole season.
Quote from: Waffler on September 16, 2025, 09:08:46 PMThe QB Elgersma was competing with for 3rd string or PR has found himself a job in Cincinnati. A spot became open due to injury.
Sean Clifford competed with Canadian standout UDFA Taylor Elgersma for the QB3 role, but it turns out that neither player won that competition. When the Packers signed former Arizona Cardinals backup Clayton Tune to the practice squad, both Clifford and Elgersma were not retained.
You could see why he waits. At this point I think he will wait the whole season.
It's better for us if he doesn't come to the CFL until next year. If he returns now we use up the 1st year of an ELC deal and have to create roster space for him for the last 30 days.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 16, 2025, 10:53:11 PMIt's better for us if he doesn't come to the CFL until next year. If he returns now we use up the 1st year of an ELC deal and have to create roster space for him for the last 30 days.
Better that way but it would be nice to evaluate him in person before free agency. At least we would know what we have in him before we go QB shopping. If that is in fact what we do.
Quote from: Waffler on September 16, 2025, 11:38:47 PMBetter that way but it would be nice to evaluate him in person before free agency. At least we would know what we have in him before we go QB shopping. If that is in fact what we do.
He's be ear marked for the # 3 in 2026. He might even be # 4 coming out of TC and ends up on 1 game IR or even the PR.
I couldn't find anywhere that Elgersma was signed by the Bengals
Quote from: TrueBlue4 on September 17, 2025, 12:21:53 AMI couldn't find anywhere that Elgersma was signed by the Bengals
Not sure why he mentioned Cincinnati except for referencing that their starter is out for the season and more opportunities may be out there.
But it honestly may prove to be the opposite. The Bengals signed Brett Rypien. Who has been absolutely awful every where he's got a chance. Teams aren't going to go looking for an inexperienced Canadian to fill in injury holes. They're gonna grab someone with playing experience, regardless of how poor that experience is.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 16, 2025, 10:53:11 PMIt's better for us if he doesn't come to the CFL until next year. If he returns now we use up the 1st year of an ELC deal and have to create roster space for him for the last 30 days.
2 years, 3 years, doesn't really matter, Elgersma needs to reveal his true potential within his first season, his timing couldn't be better but he needs to understand his golden opportunity to shine is upon him, and the Bombers and their angry fanbase could be short on patience by the time he shows up. If he flops around for too long without showing ability another QB will step in front of him and steal his spotlight, and he'll either be shuttled to the back of the bus for an eternity, or passed onto another CFL team to develop.
Quote from: Jesse on September 17, 2025, 12:27:25 AMNot sure why he mentioned Cincinnati except for referencing that their starter is out for the season and more opportunities may be out there.
But it honestly may prove to be the opposite. The Bengals signed Brett Rypien. Who has been absolutely awful every where he's got a chance. Teams aren't going to go looking for an inexperienced Canadian to fill in injury holes. They're gonna grab someone with playing experience, regardless of how poor that experience is.
For sure. A CIS kid who has never played 4 down football competitively (aside from his pre-season games in Green Bay) is never going anywhere near an NFL field to actually play. He has no real shot but I get from his perspective he wants to be sure.
Quote from: TrueBlue4 on September 17, 2025, 12:21:53 AMI couldn't find anywhere that Elgersma was signed by the Bengals
The QB Elgersma was competing with (Sean Clifford) for 3rd string or PR has found himself a job in Cincinnati. Sean, not Elgersma
Quote from: Freebird on September 17, 2025, 02:44:40 AMThe QB Elgersma was competing with (Sean Clifford) for 3rd string or PR has found himself a job in Cincinnati. Sean, not Elgersma
Another jag with some (terrible) playing experience.
Quote from: TrueBlue4 on September 17, 2025, 12:21:53 AMI couldn't find anywhere that Elgersma was signed by the Bengals
Green Bay cut 2 QB's and one (Clifford) just found work with the Bengals.
NOT Elgersma, the other guy. This is why I think Elgersma waits though. He had a better preseason than Clifford. He probably thinks if a guy I am better than gets work then so might I.
Elgersma went 16-23 for 166 yards and one touchdown
Clifford went 9-17 for 44 yards and no touchdowns
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 16, 2025, 10:53:11 PMIt's better for us if he doesn't come to the CFL until next year. If he returns now we use up the 1st year of an ELC deal and have to create roster space for him for the last 30 days.
If he comes north, no way he signs an ELC deal, and sees it through. We will sign him to an ELC, and re-negotiate as soon as he shows ANY ability to be a #1.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 17, 2025, 02:41:22 PMIf he comes north, no way he signs an ELC deal, and sees it through. We will sign him to an ELC, and re-negotiate as soon as he shows ANY ability to be a #1.
Draft choices have restricted amounts for new contract in the CFLPA. There is some additional money for 1st rounders but IIRC the rest are stuck with close to entry level ELC deals. That would apply to him.
Thinking he gets immediately a new deal when he shows some ability doesn't happen very often.He may see the field for the 1st 2 years.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 03:11:41 PMDraft choices have restricted amounts for new contract in the CFLPA. There is some additional money for 1st rounders but IIRC the rest are stuck with close to entry level ELC deals. That would apply to him.
Thinking he gets immediately a new deal when he shows some ability doesn't happen very often.He may see the field for the 1st 2 years.
These ELC contracts are too slanted in the team's favour, they deter Canadian players looking to the NFL for a football career first who have little interest in playing in the CFL even if they fail. I understand trying to control how much players can sign for in their first year, but after that every contract should be negotiable depending on their ability, some will get more, some less.
Wince when I think how little Schoen was paid for his first 2 outstanding seasons now that his career may be over, he was unable to capitalize on his football career despite the sacrifice invested.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 17, 2025, 04:38:15 PMThese ELC contracts are too slanted in the team's favour, they deter Canadian players looking to the NFL for a football career first who have little interest in playing in the CFL even if they fail. I understand trying to control how much players can sign for in their first year, but after that every contract should be negotiable depending on their ability, some will get more, some less.
Wince when I think how little Schoen was paid for his first 2 outstanding seasons now that his career may be over, he was unable to capitalize on his football career despite the sacrifice invested.
Mandated ratio, options for 1 year contracts after the 1st contract. You want a free market place then get rid of the ratio.
I'll agree that ELC's have a place, and give teams a little time to develop a player and know whether a larger deal is warranted.
But, if Elgersma comes in and lights it up, his ELC gets tossed out and he gets a real deal.
ELC's prevent anyone else from signing a drafted player, but they do not limit how much a player can be paid. They limit how little you can pay, but a team, at any time, can rip up a contract and make a new one.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 17, 2025, 09:16:27 PMI'll agree that ELC's have a place, and give teams a little time to develop a player and know whether a larger deal is warranted.
But, if Elgersma comes in and lights it up, his ELC gets tossed out and he gets a real deal.
ELC's prevent anyone else from signing a drafted player, but they do not limit how much a player can be paid. They limit how little you can pay, but a team, at any time, can rip up a contract and make a new one.
" If he comes in and lights it up": How often does any QB light it up in his 1st season? He probably doesn't even see the field.
Not entirely accurate assessment.
Example: Rourke was out of the CFL in the 3rd year of his contract in 2023. When he returned in 2024 he got the big raise. Rourke had 754 yards in his 1st year.
He lit it up in year 2 and decided on a chance in the NFL. with the NFL option window. Elgersma could follow a similar path if he does well.
That's a lot of big if's.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 17, 2025, 09:16:27 PMI'll agree that ELC's have a place, and give teams a little time to develop a player and know whether a larger deal is warranted.
But, if Elgersma comes in and lights it up, his ELC gets tossed out and he gets a real deal.
ELC's prevent anyone else from signing a drafted player, but they do not limit how much a player can be paid. They limit how little you can pay, but a team, at any time, can rip up a contract and make a new one.
Funny, the only instance I can recall is the Elks ripped up Dillon Mitchell's ELC contract after he played half a season in 2022 and signed him to a two year contract extension through 2025.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2025, 10:26:42 PM" If he comes in and lights it up": How often does any QB light it up in his 1st season? He probably doesn't even see the field.
Not entirely accurate assessment.
Example: Rourke was out of the CFL in the 3rd year of his contract in 2023. When he returned in 2024 he got the big raise. Rourke had 754 yards in his 1st year.
He lit it up in year 2 and decided on a chance in the NFL. with the NFL option window. Elgersma could follow a similar path if he does well.
That's a lot of big if's.
Agreed. Elgersma is a pipe dream at best, not the immediate help we need.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 17, 2025, 04:38:15 PMWince when I think how little Schoen was paid for his first 2 outstanding seasons now that his career may be over, he was unable to capitalize on his football career despite the sacrifice invested.
I don't know, he got pretty good bank when he re-signed with us off the ELC. Ya, less because of injury history, but still respectable. And he gets every penny even if he's on IR 95% of the season.
The main problem is he'll be a gamble/pity signing for any team in '26, and thus be cheap.