let the speculation begin...dude could be in Winnipeg by Tuesday and play this weekend in Sask.
i am sure his agent is still hoping for an NFL shot but teams have their own "Wilson's" to deal with.
He was given no opportunity in the final preseason game and released immediately, prior to Tuesdays deadline.
I think he and his agent should realize he's not on anyone's radar and be here before our next practice.
Pay the man and pay him well
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 23, 2025, 09:07:36 PMPay the man and pay him well
Already our property for the remainder of this year. Would be ok with an extension though.
Quote from: Waffler on August 23, 2025, 09:11:59 PMAlready our property for the remainder of this year. Would be ok with an extension though.
Didn't remember that, thanks!
2nd year of entry level deal?
If we add Wilson and Shoen all of a sudden the Bombers have a very formidable receiving core.I would imagine Mitchell will be the odd man out.
Good news for the Bombers. I can't see Wilson trying to catch on elsewhere in the NFL. Each team has their own roster to fill out their PR.
Yes, he could be back during the 10 days we have off and play immediately. He'll be in game shape.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 23, 2025, 10:11:48 PMGood news for the Bombers. I can't see Wilson trying to catch on elsewhere in the NFL. Each team has their own roster to fill out their PR.
Yes, he could be back during the 10 days we have off and play immediately. He'll be in game shape.
Great news! Might be back for the BB, from his background can't see him hanging around waiting for another NFL shot, he needs to work to eat.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 23, 2025, 09:24:25 PMDidn't remember that, thanks!
2nd year of entry level deal?
Yes but it's not uncommon to extend a player returning from the NFL on his NFL option window. I don't know where I'd draw the line for an increase but it could be incentive laden.
I was surprised that he was signed by Jets, Hès a very good receiver, but wasn't in the top 5 receiver in the cfl. Give him some more experience though and who knows
Come on down Pokey
Quote from: Pete on August 23, 2025, 10:43:34 PMI was surprised that he was signed by Jets, Hès a very good receiver, but wasn't in the top 5 receiver in the cfl. Give him some more experience though and who knows
i am still thinking there was a "favor" based on his college or something as you are right he was very good but maybe not NFL very good.
Quote from: Jesse on August 23, 2025, 09:05:25 PMHe was given no opportunity in the final preseason game and released immediately, prior to Tuesdays deadline.
I think he and his agent should realize he's not on anyone's radar and be here before our next practice.
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Would we have cap space for him? Guess because partial year likely a minor concern.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 23, 2025, 11:48:51 PMWould we have cap space for him? Guess because partial year likley a minor concern.
you make room if you don't have it - not even a discussion or concern
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2025, 11:53:10 PMyou make room if you don't have it - not even a discussion or concern
Good point, shuffle the deck as needed. So excited for his return. Let's hope it happens.
I was simply asking a question if we have space so yes we can discuss it, curious how much cap room we have for him and others if needed. Maybe someone on the forum knows or keeps track of that.
Gut tells me we will have a wee bit of room.
I would think we saved some cap room when Schoen was on the 6 game IR.
Quote from: bwiser on August 24, 2025, 12:15:10 AMI would think we saved some cap room when Schoen was on the 6 game IR.
Pretty sure Walters would have budgeted for his return, hopefully he's called his agent already.
he comes back at the entrance level contract, but for once could we sign a promising young player to an extension early?
Quote from: Pete on August 24, 2025, 01:51:13 AMhe comes back at the entrance level contract, but for once could we sign a promising young player to an extension early?
Possible, but if his agent thinks he can get big money in his 3rd year, he may advise against signing an extension. Same danger for the Bombers, sign an extension for bigger money and he may perform below expected standards.
Here's a little clip of a similar scenario featuring Dillon Mitchell, the Elks offered him an extension at the end of his first season.
On July 29, 2022, Mitchell signed with the Edmonton Elks of the Canadian Football League (CFL).[16] Mitchell had a strong rookie season in the CFL, finishing with 35 receptions for 637 yards and four touchdowns.[17] On October 25, 2022, the Elks announced they had agreed on a two-year contract extension with Mitchell through the 2025 season.[18] However, after recording 58 receptions for 727 yards and four touchdowns in 2024, he was released on January 10, 2025.[19]
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 24, 2025, 02:31:54 AMPossible, but if his agent thinks he can get big money in his 3rd year, he may advise against signing an extension. Same danger for the Bombers, sign an extension for bigger money and he may perform below expected standards.
It's a risk you gotta take. Pokey never lacked effort and fire. The risk/reward scenarios say roll the dice.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 23, 2025, 10:34:27 PMYes but it's not uncommon to extend a player returning from the NFL on his NFL option window. I don't know where I'd draw the line for an increase but it could be incentive laden.
Well, I don't care about next year. I care about starting to win now and that home cup. But an extension / redrawn contract for bigger money right now would have the secondary effect of enticing him to come up
now.
If he's looking at continuation of ELC he may keep trying the NFL. If he's offered D.Mitchell money (or more... probably more) then he may put the NFL on pause. Tell him we'll be happy to help him with the next NFL window in '26 after he helps us win a cup and gets lots of great film!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2025, 11:53:10 PMyou make room if you don't have it - not even a discussion or concern
Yup, BC showed the way. Cup year. Give him $200k MMM on top of his ELC! 8)
another way to look at it, say hes making 85k on current contract so 43k for the remainder of the year and to resign him next year will cost 160k for a total of 203k
What if we rework his contract to 70k for remainer ty and 150 next. totalling 220k that way we spread out the hit and have him signed as well as giving him an incentive to return now.
if we release Mitchell the hit for this year wouldnt be a lot
Quote from: Pete on August 24, 2025, 03:13:35 AMWhat if we rework his contract to 125 ty and 125 next. that way we spread out the hit and have him signed as well as giving him an incentive to return now.
That's exactly what we'd do. However, we're generally cheap and hold people to their ELC. I mean, why not? I just fear he may not want to come up for a pittance now. Might depend on his character too. Some guys will happily take what they agreed to. Some guys will feel entitled to more.
But if he says "more or I stay south", you give him more, AND lock him down for a long time. Pokey PLUS Wheatie might just equal Kenny...
I would give him what he wants and sign the extension ASAP
But it won't that easy
Receivers get decent money now and him and his agent know that
Tending to go to the highest bidder and I don't blame em
Really good discussion everyone, exactly the banter I was looking for thanks
I'm cautiously optimistic
And agree we would have had him in the budget or at least in contingency
Pokey and Wheat could be a deadly combo that doesn't break the bank
Budget is totally fine. We haven't even spent to the original cap, let alone the extra $400k, or "allowed" overages, or MMM. If we have to spend to lock him for 2.5 seasons, you do it.
He's definitely worth Schoen money. Probably more because he doesn't have the "knee may never be better" history. Top end would be Demski money, though I'd hope we find a way to cheap out a bit.
Quote from: Pete on August 24, 2025, 03:13:35 AManother way to look at it, say hes making 85k on current contract so 43k for the remainder of the year and to resign him next year will cost 160k for a total of 203k
What if we rework his contract to 70k for remainer ty and 150 next. totalling 220k that way we spread out the hit and have him signed as well as giving him an incentive to return now.
if we release Mitchell the hit for this year wouldnt be a lot
I'm not sure what the team will do regarding any new contract offer. Giving him more this year won't necessarily make him come to the CFL NOW if he's thinking of waiting out another NFL offer.
However, if we can sign him to a new contract for 2026 - 2027 for a nice increase in each year, that would be good. Going to $160K for 2026 might be more than I think he should get though. Incentive laden clauses would help. $160K is in the range of Schoen and D.Mitchell.
He has to clear the waiver wire but in theory he could be back for LD.
If I'm Pokey I'm not hanging around down south hoping to catch on to a PR. He's too low on the Jets depth chart to get a PR spot IMO, and the other teams have their own last cut WRs for their own PR spots. He's going to be one of about 120 WRs without a job, hoping a rash of injuries in a roster gives them a break. Very small odds. He should come back ASAP, and hopefully Walter's makes it happen, and doesn't cheap out like he did in the off season.
I don't care what we do contract-wise, just get him here asap. If he needs a reworked CFL contract to pay him more to come here vs waiting around for an NFL call, so be it. If we extend him later, great. If he comes up here now to play out the year but wants to test FA and maxx out, whatever dude. Just get here now and help win us the cup.
hopefully one of our reporters is talking to Pokey and getting some scoops on his plans.
Quote from: bunker on August 24, 2025, 01:50:12 PMIf I'm Pokey I'm not hanging around down south hoping to catch on to a PR. He's too low on the Jets depth chart to get a PR spot IMO, and the other teams have their own last cut WRs for their own PR spots. He's going to be one of about 120 WRs without a job, hoping a rash of injuries in a roster gives them a break. Very small odds. He should come back ASAP, and hopefully Walter's makes it happen, and doesn't cheap out like he did in the off season.
At least Pokey has a Plan B to fall back on, 95% of these receivers have nowhere else to go but home.
Disagree about cutting Mitchell, if they're not going to bring in any other receivers, he'll do fine as a backup. If he can't redeem his career in the second half of the season with whatever playing time he gets, it's easy enough to walk away from him at the end of this year.
I hope we hear something this week. C'mon back, Pokey!
Come earn a good living Pokey instead of toiling with tryouts, lol
There's the timeline that they are waiting for cut down day (tomorrow), and then waiting for all of the waiver claims to go through and practice roster adds, to make any decisions. Maybe a couple of teams have even told him to wait and see.
But man, he didn't even make it to cut down day. A hundred other receivers are about to be released. Just come home.
Quote from: Jesse on August 25, 2025, 05:36:14 PMThere's the timeline that they are waiting for cut down day (tomorrow), and then waiting for all of the waiver claims to go through and practice roster adds, to make any decisions. Maybe a couple of teams have even told him to wait and see.
But man, he didn't even make it to cut down day. A hundred other receivers are about to be released. Just come home.
Yeah, I agree. The writing's on the wall.
Come back to the CFL and carve out a nice career with the Bombers, Pokey.
It's his dream, and I can see how he'd like to hold onto the last glimmer of hope before pulling the plug, but really, its done. He'll be up here soon.
We've seen this movie before. To us, it's so obvious when an opportunity isn't going to materialize any further and it's time to cut bait and move on to the next best thing. But to them, this has been everything they ever dreamed of and it becomes "at any cost" which can ultimately lead to delusion.
So I get their perspective. But as outsiders looking in, it's like...c'mon man...
He has an incentive to come back and finish his contract, then he'll be a free agent in 2026.
Rather than have to play out the final year of his contract in 2026/2027.
Quote from: peg_city on August 25, 2025, 08:26:08 PMHe has an incentive to come back and finish his contract, then he'll be a free agent in 2026.
Rather than have to play out the final year of his contract in 2026/2027.
Yes, this is the way I would go. Then he's hold all the cards. A little more bargaining power.
My understanding is that his contract expires Feb 2026 if he plays in the CFL or not.
Quote from: Waffler on August 25, 2025, 09:51:22 PMMy understanding is that his contract expires Feb 2026 if he plays in the CFL or not.
Didn't work that way for Ford but surely they have different rules for draft picks. I suspect you're right. 3 CFL players that went to the NFL and came back to different teams off the cuff, Desjarlais, Bighill and Muamba. Thing is Pokey would have more of a connection to Wpg. than he would in any other CFL city, so the Bombers should still be his preference.
Quote from: Waffler on August 25, 2025, 09:51:22 PMMy understanding is that his contract expires Feb 2026 if he plays in the CFL or not.
If he does play, it extents to the next year. If he does play, this will count as his second year.
As I understand it.
Quote from: Jesse on August 25, 2025, 10:49:03 PMIf he does play, it extents to the next year. If he does play, this will count as his second year.
As I understand it.
You must have meant "he doesn't" for one of those...?
Quote from: Jesse on August 25, 2025, 05:36:14 PMBut man, he didn't even make it to cut down day. A hundred other receivers are about to be released. Just come home.
If Kenny can't make it in the NFL, then Pokey has no chance. Look at the guys who stuck for a while. Zylstra? Showed 10X better than Pokey. D.Walker (in his initial CFL stint) 5X better.
Pokey is this strange player who doesn't seem like he's doing much, doesn't look like much, doesn't sound like much, but certainly seems to have this certain little something. And he gets stats. And you have this strange feeling that maybe he could be a top-3 guy one day...
There's also the issue of CFL RECs who go down for 2-3 seasons and come back seem to invariably suck rocks, have zero motivation, and wash out after 1-3 lackluster years. If you stay down there for 1+ years it does something to your brain and you never recover. Better to just come back, get more film, and try again next year. Rinse & repeat.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 25, 2025, 02:34:56 PMI hope we hear something this week. C'mon back, Pokey!
We did. Moore/Echols. Pokey isn't coming anytime soon.
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On the Coach's show last night O'Shea said Pokey's agent and the scouting staff were in contact and said when a player goes to NFL tryouts they usually aren't in a rush to and stay until they exhaust all their opportunity's. (going on my memory)
Quote from: barbk on August 26, 2025, 01:48:09 PMOn the Coach's show last night O'Shea said Pokey's agent and the scouting staff were in contact and said when a player goes to NFL tryouts they usually aren't in a rush to and stay until they exhaust all their opportunity's. (going on my memory)
Fair, but I think MOS is just speaking generally there. I don't think he's had any contact with Wilson or would bother asking about anyone not on his roster.
Quote from: Jesse on August 26, 2025, 01:55:35 PMFair, but I think MOS is just speaking generally there. I don't think he's had any contact with Wilson or would bother asking about anyone not on his roster.
He said
Pokey's agent and scouting staff I didn't quote Oshea had contact with Wilson
Wilson was waived three days ago. No teams have expressed any interest in him since, which is - or should be - pretty telling.
I think a CFL return is his only option.
Every week on an NFL practice roster is $13000 US per week. Pokey is likely making $80000 for an entire CFL season which is about $58000 for the entire year. Prorate that and with the number of games left, he's looking at about $25000. He's going to hang around down south to try to land another gig.
He might but the odds of it leading to anything are very small. If he came back this week, he would make 8 game cheques (31,000 based on 70,000 min salary). He's also be eligible for up to 23,000 in playoff/grey cup money. Plus, my understanding is that if he played this year for us, he's a free agent next year, whereas if he stays down there, he owes us one more year at his minimum salary. I understand wanting to follow the dream, but I'd be advising him to come back.
Quote from: barbk on August 26, 2025, 02:12:40 PMHe said Pokey's agent and scouting staff I didn't quote Oshea had contact with Wilson
I know, wasn't suggesting otherwise.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 25, 2025, 10:17:48 PMDidn't work that way for Ford but surely they have different rules for draft picks. I suspect you're right. 3 CFL players that went to the NFL and came back to different teams off the cuff, Desjarlais, Bighill and Muamba. Thing is Pokey would have more of a connection to Wpg. than he would in any other CFL city, so the Bombers should still be his preference.
Canadian players have 3 year ELC deals.
Noting that Polk returned to the Argos and he had a better chance of making an NFL roster. So Wilson may not return but his chances are slim.
maybe jets have told him to hang around, similar to ford with gb, he hung around only to end up not signed and going to the cfl next season
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 26, 2025, 05:49:18 PMCanadian players have 3 year ELC deals.
Noting that Polk returned to the Argos and he had a better chance of making an NFL roster. So Wilson may not return but his chances are slim.
somehow the argos convinced him to return to the team. how aggressive are we being?
Polk was released end of July, so that may have something to do with it. He probably spent 3-4 weeks looking into opportunities, and there weren't any. I hope Wilson makes a quick decision to come back.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 26, 2025, 06:20:08 PMsomehow the argos convinced him to return to the team. how aggressive are we being?
It would be wonderful if an intrepid reporter could reach out to him directly, be nice to hear his reasoning for not returning asap.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 26, 2025, 06:20:08 PMsomehow the argos convinced him to return to the team. how aggressive are we being?
Exactly. Seems par for the Mafia course. If we're dangling just the continuation of ELC, plus maybe a lock-in for '26 with a bum deal (like less than D.Mitchell), I can see him & his agent saying "no thanks".
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 26, 2025, 02:58:15 PMEvery week on an NFL practice roster is $13000 US per week.
(Really? Crazy.)
But he has to crack a PR to get that huge payday... traveling the country for "looks" and "work ups" doesn't pay him anything, except maybe travel & per diem...
Quote from: barbk on August 26, 2025, 01:48:09 PMOn the Coach's show last night O'Shea said Pokey's agent and the scouting staff were in contact and said when a player goes to NFL tryouts they usually aren't in a rush to and stay until they exhaust all their opportunity's. (going on my memory)
I've noticed that in the last 1-2 years the NFL players
have been coming back
faster and not doing the multi-team rejection dance. I think a lot of CFL players have talked to a lot of the CFL->NFL rejects, who probably all universally say to just come back right away.
It's different if you can make a PR and stick all season... but when you can't even crack a PR, I think the trend is to return to the CFL. You can always get more tape and try again in 250 days.
I think today's the day we find out if a waived player like Wilson gets offered a PR spot.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 27, 2025, 01:21:32 PMI think today's the day we find out if a waived player like Wilson gets offered a PR spot.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Correct. But he could still choose to wait in case of injuries. Realistically he is not going to be anyone's first call but it is up to him to decide when he's waited enough.
Each player has to decide how long his NFL dream will last.
We have no idea what teams are telling players, or how much "mileage" each player is willing to put on chasing the dream.
It could be a player chases through a couple of team changes, and a couple seasons on PR's to get a few games a season on an AR as a third string backup (Strevey) before coming back, or wanting to actually play and come back once given his first walking papers.
If offered a PR spot, from a financial standpoint, that's better than a CFL ELC, but does it help/hurt his development? Certainly doesn't get him live game play.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 27, 2025, 01:21:32 PMI think today's the day we find out if a waived player like Wilson gets offered a PR spot.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The waiver claims need to be made today, but PR's won't be filled until after they go through. It could still be a day or two until it all shakes out. Especially for someone like Wilson.
I can't say his chances of sticking on a PR are too high, then.
Just. Come. Back. To. Winnipeg. Ontaria!
Looks like a Banjo bowl return is a best case scenario.
Side note Demski and Schoen back this week would be monumental.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 27, 2025, 03:21:29 PMLooks like a Banjo bowl return is a best case scenario.
Side note Demski and Schoen back this week would be monumental.
Best Case Ontaria*
Quote from: blue_or_die on August 27, 2025, 06:13:07 PMBest Case Ontaria*
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I took a look at the Jets subreddit over the last few weeks looking for some info on Ontaria
They have talked about their receivers a fair bit, how unimpressive the group is in general,
And I didn't see his name mentioned at all.
Just fans of course, but hardcore like here.
I'm hoping Wilson was just waiting for the NFL practice rosters to be finalized, before deciding on coming back, and that we'll be hearing good news within the next day or so. For anyone who forgot how good he was in his rookie year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6zeskdB4RQ
Quote from: bunker on August 27, 2025, 10:25:21 PMFor anyone who forgot how good he was in his rookie year:
It's amazing how WPG REC stats can stack up once you earn the trust of and get the chemistry with Zach. IIRC Pokey had a slow start, but then really took off once he got that trust.
The Jets ended up signing 4 wide receivers to their practice roster, but not Wilson. That means he was pretty close to last on their depth chart, and they're felt to have a weak WR core. He has to see the writing on the wall at this point.
Quote from: bunker on August 28, 2025, 03:21:59 AMThe Jets ended up signing 4 wide receivers to their practice roster, but not Wilson. That means he was pretty close to last on their depth chart, and they're felt to have a weak WR core. He has to see the writing on the wall at this point.
I don't know anything about the NFL, but I do know: aren't the Jets supposed to be really bad? As in, if you don't make the Jets, you ain't making any of the "real" teams?
Has there been any reporters even talking to Wilson? Seems very odd - I am sure that they have reached out, did I miss something?
Has he gone into hiding?
Quote from: The Zipp on August 29, 2025, 02:40:21 PMHas there been any reporters even talking to Wilson? Seems very odd - I am sure that they have reached out, did I miss something?
Has he gone into hiding?
He doesn't have to talk to random reporters if he doesn't want to. He could be ignoring their calls or his agent is screening them and giving "no comment".
The fact that he is not here means he is waiting for another opportunity. There's not much more to say at the moment.
Quote from: Jesse on August 29, 2025, 02:43:28 PMHe doesn't have to talk to random reporters if he doesn't want to. He could be ignoring their calls or his agent is screening them and giving "no comment".
The fact that he is not here means he is waiting for another opportunity. There's not much more to say at the moment.
True enough. NFL PR rosters are being set as we speak. If he doesn't get an offer he may choose to wait until the season starts and injuries pile up. However there were 100's of players released when final rosters were made. Odds are not good for those that didn't make a PR.
Can't knock the guy for hoping he gets a call.
Quote from: Jesse on August 29, 2025, 02:43:28 PMHe doesn't have to talk to random reporters if he doesn't want to. He could be ignoring their calls or his agent is screening them and giving "no comment".
The fact that he is not here means he is waiting for another opportunity. There's not much more to say at the moment.
It's courtesy, Bombers provided him with the game film to tryout for an NFL job, they could have sat him on the PR for his entire first season. If he commits to a career in the CFL he has the opportunity to make up to $200-$300k/yr. within the next few years. The door is wide open to improving his life and escaping the hell hole the US has descended into.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 29, 2025, 03:45:16 PMIt's courtesy, Bombers provided him with the game film to tryout for an NFL job, they could have sat him on the PR for his entire first season. If he commits to a career in the CFL he has the opportunity to make up to $200-$300k/yr. within the next few years. The door is wide open to improving his life and escaping the hell hole the US has descended into.
It's courtesy to the Bombers to talk to unaffiliated reporters?
Quote from: Jesse on August 29, 2025, 04:02:22 PMIt's courtesy to the Bombers to talk to unaffiliated reporters?
Courtesy to the Bomber fan base, literally multiple thousands wondering what he's up to. Maybe we can convince Schnitzy to call him!
Just a guess but IMO the Bombers know his intentions. Whether that is to wait out the 2025 CFL season or just a few weeks before returning.
Since we added 2 veteran CFL receivers it would seem that Wilson is not planning any immediate return.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 29, 2025, 04:34:05 PMCourtesy to the Bomber fan base, literally multiple thousands wondering what he's up to. Maybe we can convince Snitzy to call him!
Sorry, but I think he's only taking/returning calls to Kyle Walters.
When/if he signs, then we'll hear from him.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 29, 2025, 04:44:13 PMJust a guess but IMO the Bombers know his intentions. Whether that is to wait out the 2025 CFL season or just a few weeks before returning.
Since we added 2 veteran CFL receivers it would seem that Wilson is not planning any immediate return.
No doubt they do. I ll guarantee Walters had this conversation with him before he left
or the Bombers told him he would be starting on the PR and he didn't like that. Seems like something MOS would do.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2025, 04:13:40 PMor the Bombers told him he would be starting on the PR and he didn't like that. Seems like something MOS would do.
The notion of this has no facts to it and I disagree with the statement in everyday.
No pro club would tell a emerging star receiver that just tried out for the NFL that you would be placed on our PR.
I believe our club would do everything in our power to bring him back, evaluate him in practice and make the roster decision based on who would help the team win that week.
The continuous mention of the MOS way with this type of tone is getting a little overstated on here. Really easy to question the mafia after an average start. The way this club has coached and managed created one of the best runs in Bomber history. While the Bomber brass is not perfect, it certainly has shown its ability to coach and roster a top club for half a decade.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2025, 04:13:40 PMor the Bombers told him he would be starting on the PR and he didn't like that. Seems like something MOS would do.
Zero chance this would happen. Literally zero.
With our injury situation, and the fact he has been in uber competitive NFL camp, so there is no "coming off the couch, shake the rust, get in shape" concern, plus the fact it is still Zach throwing to him, and he has 100% knowledge of our basic system, which even though we've had an OC change means he's not going to be coming into a foreign system and has to learn much, No. No PR.
He was basically tied for our leading receiver last year, and had an NFL experience. Its not like Mitchell, or any of the recent signings, who may not be in shape, and have to learn the system.
Zero chance he is offered a PR spot, both for the above reasons, and the fact he'd instantly be scooped by another team.
I'd say the only question in what he was offered is whether they gave him st straight up option of finishing his ELC, or offered the option of a new multi year deal at a much bigger number, which I truly hope they did.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 31, 2025, 04:36:14 PMThe notion of this has no facts to it and I disagree with the statement in everyday.
No pro club would tell a emerging star receiver that just tried out for the NFL that you would be placed on our PR.
I believe our club would do everything in our power to bring him back, evaluate him in practice and make the roster decision based on who would help the team win that week.
The continuous mention of the MOS way with this type of tone is getting a little overstated on here. Really easy to question the mafia after an average start. The way this club has coached and managed created one of the best runs in Bomber history. While the Bomber brass is not perfect, it certainly has shown its ability to coach and roster a top club for half a decade.
IDK. It wouldn't be unusual for a player returning from the NFL after 1 CFL season to need a re-adjustment period. In that sense I could see Wilson being added to the PR to get him into game shape and get back to CFL timing etc.
OTOH, it's also possible he'd get immediately added to the AR or placed on the 1 game IR so that he gets paid. He's still on an ELC so it's not a big hit.
If he had come back this week he wouldn't have even been able to be at any practice sessions. So it's a timing issue of when he comes back. He could return on Monday and be at all the practice days for LD.
Somewhat ironic from you. Patience with Houston but not so much for Wilson. Noting that neither have played since 2024. Yes Wilson was a Bomber in 2024 and Houston was not. Just an interesting look at both sides of the coin.
We do have a different OC in 2025 so it's not as easy as just stepping back onto the field.
Aardy has a point in his post above mine. That said, shorter time between plays, waggle, bigger field might have created some bad habits that might be a small issue for Wilson.
I'm not sure he'd be offered a new deal before returning. That's an interesting question though.
The Argos just brought back Polk immediately to their AR. I haven't heard anything yet about a new contract or extension but it could happen shortly.
IIRC last year the Als brought Mack back and did give him a new deal immediately. So yes it does happen.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 05:18:09 PMIDK. It wouldn't be unusual for a player returning from the NFL after 1 CFL season to need a re-adjustment period. In that sense I could see Wilson being added to the PR to get him into game shape and get back to CFL timing etc.
OTOH, it's also possible he'd get immediately added to the AR or placed on the 1 game IR so that he gets paid. He's still on an ELC so it's not a big hit.
If he had come back this week he wouldn't have even been able to be at any practice sessions. So it's a timing issue of when he comes back. He could return on Monday and be at all the practice days for LD.
Somewhat ironic from you. Patience with Houston but not so much for Wilson. Noting that neither have played since 2024. Yes Wilson was a Bomber in 2024 and Houston was not. Just an interesting look at both sides of the coin.
We do have a different OC in 2025 so it's not as easy as just stepping back onto the field.
Aardy has a point in his post above mine. That said, shorter time between plays, waggle, bigger field might have created some bad habits that might be a small issue for Wilson.
I'm not sure he'd be offered a new deal before returning. That's an interesting question though.
The difference is Houston was on the couch. Wilson was in NFL camp.
Wilson excelled last year, and maybe the reason he did great here and got cut by the Jets is that the CFL suits his game. Many players excel with the waggle, wider field, more available targets scenario.
His game is purely a CFL game, and that is the difference between thriving it here, and making it into the NFL.
Our league is full of players who have just as much talent as NFL players, just in a slightly different bend. Talent which makes them CFL stars, and NFL busts.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 05:26:07 PMThe difference is Houston was on the couch. Wilson was in NFL camp.
Wilson excelled last year, and maybe the reason he did great here and got cut by the Jets is that the CFL suits his game. Many players excel with the waggle, wider field, more available targets scenario.
His game is purely a CFL game, and that is the difference between thriving it here, and making it into the NFL.
Our league is full of players who have just as much talent as NFL players, just in a slightly different bend. Talent which makes them CFL stars, and NFL busts.
Houston may have been on the couch but he's played in 45 CFL games. Wilson was in an NFL camp with 30 other receivers ( guesstimate ) and was at the bottom of their depth chart in getting reps.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 05:35:23 PMHouston may have been on the couch but he's played in 45 CFL games. Wilson was in an NFL camp with 30 other receivers ( guesstimate ) and was at the bottom of their depth chart in getting reps.
Houston may have been keeping in shape, but Wilson was competing for a spot. Reps or no, you can bet his conditioning is better right now than its ever been.
The only issue might be if he bulked up in the NFL camp. We've seen that with players that go south for a try.
But i'd lay dollars to donuts, Wilson is in game ready shape.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 05:18:05 PMZero chance this would happen. Literally zero.
With our injury situation, and the fact he has been in uber competitive NFL camp, so there is no "coming off the couch, shake the rust, get in shape" concern, plus the fact it is still Zach throwing to him, and he has 100% knowledge of our basic system, which even though we've had an OC change means he's not going to be coming into a foreign system and has to learn much, No. No PR.
He was basically tied for our leading receiver last year, and had an NFL experience. Its not like Mitchell, or any of the recent signings, who may not be in shape, and have to learn the system.
Zero chance he is offered a PR spot, both for the above reasons, and the fact he'd instantly be scooped by another team.
I'd say the only question in what he was offered is whether they gave him st straight up option of finishing his ELC, or offered the option of a new multi year deal at a much bigger number, which I truly hope they did.
You may have a point, either Pokey or his agent may be playing hardball to get paid more than his ELC based on the results he put up in his first season as well as being invited to an NFL camp. From his perspective why should he be paid the same as Wheatfall? Walters reacted to his bluff by signing Moore and Echols, could be he's playing hardball too.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2025, 06:14:58 PMYou may have a point, either Pokey or his agent may be playing hardball to get paid more than his ELC based on the results he put up in his first season as well as being invited to an NFL camp. From his perspective why should he be paid the same as Wheatfall? Walters reacted to his bluff by signing Moore and Echols, could be he's playing hardball too.
Wheatfall had TC experience in the NFL and played some USFL as well. Wilson is not special in that regard.
Either or neither side could be playing hard ball. We don't really know but the lure of the NFL is always going to be a factor.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 05:42:24 PMHouston may have been keeping in shape, but Wilson was competing for a spot. Reps or no, you can bet his conditioning is better right now than its ever been.
The only issue might be if he bulked up in the NFL camp. We've seen that with players that go south for a try.
But i'd lay dollars to donuts, Wilson is in game ready shape.
Game shape is not the same as game ready. I already mentioned things like wider field, quicker clock, notion and waggle that the NFL doesn't have. I also mentioned we do have a new OC.
Wheatfall is here, Wilson is not.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 06:23:38 PMGame shape is not the same as game ready. I already mentioned things like wider field, quicker clock, notion and waggle that the NFL doesn't have. I also mentioned we do have a new OC.
Wheatfall is here, Wilson is not.
Wilson is the superior receiver, he delivered and didn't disappear for games on end.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 05:35:23 PMHouston may have been on the couch but he's played in 45 CFL games. Wilson was in an NFL camp with 30 other receivers ( guesstimate ) and was at the bottom of their depth chart in getting reps.
NFL is way different than the CFL though. A lot more hours and days of training camp. He got plenty of reps.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2025, 06:42:34 PMWilson is the superior receiver, he delivered and didn't disappear for games on end.
He did have a 5 game stretch to end the season where he only got more than 59 yards one time.
What's your definition of disappearing? Receivers are very rarely consistent.
Quote from: Jesse on August 31, 2025, 06:46:48 PMHe did have a 5 game stretch to end the season where he only got more than 59 yards one time.
What's your definition of disappearing? Receivers are very rarely consistent.
Games of 3 receptions or less, Wheatfall has had 6 of them in 10 games. He contributes, but not always in a significant way. Could be Zach's fault, Wheatfall is the first choice to take the top off the Defence as he looks fast as hell, but Zach looks to be more reluctant heaving up those long balls and Wheatfall hasn't proven he can make tricky catches over the shoulder.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2025, 06:14:58 PMYou may have a point, either Pokey or his agent may be playing hardball to get paid more than his ELC based on the results he put up in his first season as well as being invited to an NFL camp. From his perspective why should he be paid the same as Wheatfall? Walters reacted to his bluff by signing Moore and Echols, could be he's playing hardball too.
There is ZERO chance that Walters is "playing hardball" trying to get Wilson at his ELC against Wilson's desires.
But he won't give him a big deal without term, and Pokey does not have vet status that I think is needed to allow guaranteed money.
If he wants more than ELC, he's going to have to sign 2-3 years (including 2025)
Otherwise, take the balance of his deal and try FA.
I just hope he remembers that it was Walters and the Bombers that gave him even the chance at another NFL look...
The only fly in the ointment I can see is if Goveia gets in his ear. Is that allowed? Are other teams allowed to even talk to a player "under contract" like Pokey is?
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 07:17:16 PMThere is ZERO chance that Walters is "playing hardball" trying to get Wilson at his ELC against Wilson's desires.
But he won't give him a big deal without term, and Pokey does not have vet status that I think is needed to allow guaranteed money.
If he wants more than ELC, he's going to have to sign 2-3 years (including 2025)
Otherwise, take the balance of his deal and try FA.
I just hope he remembers that it was Walters and the Bombers that gave him even the chance at another NFL look...
The only fly in the ointment I can see is if Goveia gets in his ear. Is that allowed? Are other teams allowed to even talk to a player "under contract" like Pokey is?
They got Lawler, white and smith in Hamilton fighting over passes, they don't need a high priced 4th receiver. I say Wilson comes here, it's just going to be a while but he'll be here for the playoff stretch and that's all that really matters. Demski, schoen and Wilson are very good options for Collaros
Quote from: theaardvark on August 31, 2025, 07:17:16 PMThere is ZERO chance that Walters is "playing hardball" trying to get Wilson at his ELC against Wilson's desires.
But he won't give him a big deal without term, and Pokey does not have vet status that I think is needed to allow guaranteed money.
If he wants more than ELC, he's going to have to sign 2-3 years (including 2025)
Otherwise, take the balance of his deal and try FA.
I just hope he remembers that it was Walters and the Bombers that gave him even the chance at another NFL look...
The only fly in the ointment I can see is if Goveia gets in his ear. Is that allowed? Are other teams allowed to even talk to a player "under contract" like Pokey is?
No one is allowed to talk to Pokey.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2025, 07:13:22 PMGames of 3 receptions or less, Wheatfall has had 6 of them in 10 games. He contributes, but not always in a significant way. Could be Zach's fault, Wheatfall is the first choice to take the top off the Defence as he looks fast as hell, but Zach looks to be more reluctant heaving up those long balls and Wheatfall hasn't proven he can make tricky catches over the shoulder.
Well, most of Wilson's games were 3 receptions or less.
Quote from: Jesse on August 31, 2025, 07:52:18 PMNo one is allowed to talk to Pokey.
unless someone just happens to bump into his agent and wonders aloud how'd Pokey looks good in black and gold
Quote from: Pete on August 31, 2025, 08:05:33 PMunless someone just happens to bump into his agent and wonders aloud how'd Pokey looks good in black and gold
He's under contract in Winnipeg for 2025. Doesn't matter who anybody bumps into if he wants to return to the CFL. He could ask for a trade I suppose but that seems unlikely.
Quote from: Pete on August 31, 2025, 08:05:33 PMunless someone just happens to bump into his agent and wonders aloud how'd Pokey looks good in black and gold
He's not headed to FA. We're mid season.
We only care about the rest of the season and no other teams can sign him.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 31, 2025, 04:36:14 PMThe continuous mention of the MOS way with this type of tone is getting a little overstated on here.
It's literally his M.O.! I would give big odds Pokey would have at least 1 week on the PR before he plays. And I don't even disagree with that. You don't just magically know a whole book. Not even a '24 star player. It's not bad "tone", it's just noticing.
And it doesn't have to be an insult to the player: you can just spell out the above. Plus, if they all know MOS will do it, no one will feel singled out.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2025, 05:18:09 PMIIRC last year the Als brought Mack back and did give him a new deal immediately. So yes it does happen.
The new deal always includes locking in for 2-3 more years though. That's the carrot. You get better money now, and we own you for years. Fair trade.
If we're cheap and hold to ELC, then there's not much carrot.
Serious question: what have we done in the past? Did we up the ELCs or hold them to it?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 10:58:17 PMIt's literally his M.O.! I would give big odds Pokey would have at least 1 week on the PR before he plays. And I don't even disagree with that. You don't just magically know a whole book. Not even a '24 star player. It's not bad "tone", it's just noticing.
And it doesn't have to be an insult to the player: you can just spell out the above. Plus, if they all know MOS will do it, no one will feel singled out.
I will take that bet!!!!
If he's put on the PR, he is released from his ELC, and he is able to be scooped.
If you want to sit him a week, you have to AR then IR him, and he has to accept the IR designation.
He comes back, he plays game one.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 01, 2025, 02:19:30 AMI will take that bet!!!!
If he's put on the PR, he is released from his ELC, and he is able to be scooped.
If you want to sit him a week, you have to AR then IR him, and he has to accept the IR designation.
He comes back, he plays game one.
After the game clercius, Wheatley and Mitchell just had, I m not even concerned if or when Wilson comes back.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 03:29:25 AMAfter the game clercius, Wheatley and Mitchell just had, I m not even concerned if or when Wilson comes back.
Clercius totally shocked me, 1.5 seasons into his career, he put on a show! Wheatie would have had 2 TD's if Zach could hit him in stride, it's so sad seeing those passes come up so short. Meanwhile Suitor is raving about Campbell's closing speed when Wheatfall has come to a dead stop waiting for the ball to arrive! LOL
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 03:58:43 AMClercius totally shocked me, 1.5 seasons into his career, he put on a show! Wheatie would have had 2 TD's if Zach could hit him in stride, it's so sad seeing those passes come up so short. Meanwhile Suitor is raving about Campbell's closing speed when Wheatfall has come to a dead stop waiting for the ball to arrive! LOL
Ya, suitor is out to lunch. Wheat ice has scary speed, trouble is, Collaros can't throw it that far!! Even the pick on the concert, a young Collaros completes that pass.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 04:03:01 AMYa, suitor is out to lunch. Wheat ice has scary speed, trouble is, Collaros can't throw it that far!! Even the pick on the concert, a young Collaros completes that pass.
I swear Zach throws the ball too high, if he flattened out the arc he'd get more distance.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 04:05:13 AMI swear Zach throws the ball too high, if he flattened out the arc he'd get more distance.
Agree. He definitely rainbows his throws!!
Quote from: theaardvark on September 01, 2025, 02:19:30 AMI will take that bet!!!!
If he's put on the PR, he is released from his ELC, and he is able to be scooped.
If you want to sit him a week, you have to AR then IR him, and he has to accept the IR designation.
I don't mean we sign him and put him in a position where he can be sniped, of course not. Although, what's to keep someone from sniping Houston right now??
What I mean is I can easily see us not
wanting to play him game one, assuming we have a way to do that. You're right that if there's no legal way to do that, then I guess he plays game one.
As for hiding on the IR, ya that would be normal for other teams, but MOS/KW don't do that much. I'm not sure we'd fake it in such an obvious way.
So what you're saying is any high-star-power guy returning from the NFL has to start his first week back because otherwise every other team will just steal them? And maybe more so the cheaper his contract? (especially ELC)
I guess that explains all the other teams starting their guys game one (like Mack, Betts, Rourke...).
I misunderstood where you were going with your argument. I get it now. You're saying it's not that MOS doesn't want to sit them for a couple weeks, it's that we're forced to AR them or lose them. I agree, this could be a thing.
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 03:29:25 AMAfter the game clercius, Wheatley and Mitchell just had, I m not even concerned if or when Wilson comes back.
Pokey still > Wheatie or Mitchell. And it's not just about making those catches or being open or whatever worked so well for our guys tonight... it's about putting fear in the D and making them heavily plan around you. Think Kenny in HAM.
No one is planning anything around Wheatie, let alone Mitchell. Not like they do Demski.
Every time you level up at a single REC spot it makes everyone else that much more open. You think it was an accident our 3 lesser RECs were all more open than usual today? That's the Schoen effect, because he's perceived as our #1 or #2 threat.
Pokey back and Mitchell to the PR, unless he has some miracle 200Y game before then. You could easily put Wheatie on PR too, but right now he has the experience and better game film.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 04:05:13 AMI swear Zach throws the ball too high, if he flattened out the arc he'd get more distance.
I don't think so. The high trajectory is what he uses to get the ball farther with less arm strength. He can't zip it deep like Rouke, VAJ & Alexander. It's simple ballistics.
We. Need Wilson desperately
We need four DBs desperately
We need skilled skinnier offensive linemen..
Well at least getting to a Jet game became easier to get to in the noenmber to December period
Quote from: dd on September 01, 2025, 04:09:51 AMAgree. He definitely rainbows his throws!!
Agreed on at least 2 throws he needed to throw it lower.
Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2025, 06:19:41 AMWe need four DBs desperately
Definitely not our problem right now. Unless you want to replace everyone except Holm! You saying Nichols is no good?
With Houston back we should have an extremely strong DB corps, AND some depth on the PR.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 04:26:51 AMI don't think so. The high trajectory is what he uses to get the ball farther with less arm strength. He can't zip it deep like Rouke, VAJ & Alexander. It's simple ballistics.
But this means the receivers have to stop and wait on the ball. The first long ball and the 2 point convert are classic cases in point. Zach is here based on what he has done. Fair enough, he's smart, a good leader and has Grey Cup rings but if he came to camp as a rookie with that arm he'd the first QB cut.
I wonder if Elgersma watched the game and thought to himself "I can make that convert throw in my sleep".
Quote from: Waffler on September 01, 2025, 11:45:52 AMBut this means the receivers have to stop and wait on the ball. The first long ball and the 2 point convert are classic cases in point. Zach is here based on what he has done.
Not true. Rainbow doesn't equal waiting. It only equals waiting if you throw it late. In fact, a rainbow may be preferred because you can throw it earlier so there's less pass rush risk. The key is to throw it to the REC in stride.
For Zach this would mean just throw it earlier, or to a spot further in front of the REC. Trust your guy, have some timing routes, and you can't always wait until you're sure it's the right read.
In both cases an earlier throw is likely a completion because the REC is still moving when the ball arrives.
Zach seems to have an issue not leading RECs enough, and I'm not talking about his range limitations (as seen on the 2PAT).
All of this can be corrected. I hope they are always working on this with Zach as it's not a new issue. Sometimes he does better, sometimes not.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2025, 01:34:45 PMNot true. Rainbow doesn't equal waiting. It only equals waiting if you throw it late. In fact, a rainbow may be preferred because you can throw it earlier so there's less pass rush risk. The key is to throw it to the REC in stride.
For Zach this would mean just throw it earlier, or to a spot further in front of the REC. Trust your guy, have some timing routes, and you can't always wait until you're sure it's the right read.
In both cases an earlier throw is likely a completion because the REC is still moving when the ball arrives.
Zach seems to have an issue not leading RECs enough, and I'm not talking about his range limitations (as seen on the 2PAT).
All of this can be corrected. I hope they are always working on this with Zach as it's not a new issue. Sometimes he does better, sometimes not.
Probably comes down to Zach's technique, he throws with a lot of upper body strength without using his stride like a classic passer. He's often in the air when the ball is released instead of being planted, ever seen a baseball pitcher throw like that?
Odd part is that there were a few really good ball throwers in the league recently that were not able to succeed
Taylor Cornelius, and forget his name, the guy that started for Hamilton, also Jake Maier.
Meanwhile Fajardo won the Grey Cup.
Prokop, Dolegala were here. They had cannon like arms. You need more than just that. My concern is the drop off from Zach's 2019 arm to now. And to expect him to change his throwing mechanics at age 37 seems unrealistic.
https://youtu.be/BarieCgaQXE?t=235
posting similar play to 2 point conversion, from 2022. No rainbows here.
Quote from: markf on September 01, 2025, 04:12:20 PMOdd part is that there were a few really good ball throwers in the league recently that were not able to succeed
Taylor Cornelius, and forget his name, the guy that started for Hamilton, also Jake Maier.
Meanwhile Fajardo won the Grey Cup.
Need good arm + good brain.
Wilson back
some great news Pokey signed with an extension! Way to go Walters!
Ok. He needs to be on the AR for the BB. The only question is does he replace Schoen who might be injured again, or does he replace Mitchell?
Awesome news. The extension is for one extra year, 2026.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 05:41:22 PMOk. He needs to be on the AR for the BB. The only question is does he replace Schoen who might be injured again, or does he replace Mitchell?
Isn't Wheatfall in his spot right now? It will take some shuffling. Should be interesting.
Quote from: Waffler on September 01, 2025, 05:47:17 PMIsn't Wheatfall in his spot right now? It will take some shuffling. Should be interesting.
Yes after looking at depth charts for last year. However Wheatfall played at SB also in 2024. I think it comes down to injuries and deciding on the best combination.
I thought we might see Moore replace Mitchell next week. Schoen possibly getting injured may have thrown a wrench into that. So we may see two changes to the receiving group but where anybody can play at the highest level is a TBD.
If Schoen can play then we might not see Moore, we'll see Wilson added instead with Mitchell coming out? You'd think that Mitchell will be the odd man out regardless IMO.
This is great news.
Everything we wanted is falling into place.
I knew the Bombers would announce this today. Had a little inside info. lol. Glad he's back.
A prime Jerry Rice would still struggle in this Pop Warner offence. That said, the timing is good as I don't think we see DS again this season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2025, 10:58:17 PMIt's literally his M.O.! I would give big odds Pokey would have at least 1 week on the PR before he plays. And I don't even disagree with that. You don't just magically know a whole book. Not even a '24 star player. It's not bad "tone", it's just noticing.
And it doesn't have to be an insult to the player: you can just spell out the above. Plus, if they all know MOS will do it, no one will feel singled out.
Big difference between putting on PR as they relearn to offering a PR as suggested by the Zipp
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 05:57:06 PMYes after looking at depth charts for last year. However Wheatfall played at SB also in 2024. I think it comes down to injuries and deciding on the best combination.
I thought we might see Moore replace Mitchell next week. Schoen possibly getting injured may have thrown a wrench into that. So we may see two changes to the receiving group but where anybody can play at the highest level is a TBD.
If Schoen can play then we might not see Moore, we'll see Wilson added instead with Mitchell coming out? You'd think that Mitchell will be the odd man out regardless IMO.
Mitchell probably had his best game as a Bomber yesterday yet he will likely be the odd man out.
Quote from: bwiser on September 01, 2025, 09:53:42 PMMitchell probably had his best game as a Bomber yesterday yet he will likely be the odd man out.
Yes but it's still 79 yards in 4 games. A lot depends on whether Schoen can play. That said I can imagine Moore replacing him if we take Logan off the roster as the returner.
Quote from: bwiser on September 01, 2025, 09:53:42 PMMitchell probably had his best game as a Bomber yesterday yet he will likely be the odd man out.
He played well and seems to be getting comfortable. Taking him out now would be an absolute moronic roster decision. So I suspect you may be right.
Why is Logan playing? He offers nothing to the O and is pretty bad at returning.
Wilson likely takes Schoen's spot.
Quote from: markf on September 01, 2025, 04:12:20 PMOdd part is that there were a few really good ball throwers in the league recently that were not able to succeed
Taylor Cornelius, and forget his name, the guy that started for Hamilton, also Jake Maier.
Powell? HAM still has him. I think he's the next CFL-starter, not sure what team yet though. Too bad BLM is like the only QB not injured yet this season, or we would have been able to see more of Powell.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2025, 05:12:15 PMNeed good arm + good brain.
Or OK arm + great brain. The only real arm requirement is you can't be Nichols post-Lemonation or BLM circa 2023. (Though notice how Bo recovered...)
What doesn't work is best arm + no brain. Some of the NFL-reject heater-every-pass guys fall into that category.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 01, 2025, 05:41:22 PMOk. He needs to be on the AR for the BB. The only question is does he replace Schoen who might be injured again, or does he replace Mitchell?
We shall see if Aards is right or not. If Schoen is done for then it's a no-brainer, though we've seen MOS put a Moore type guy in instead in these situations before!
But if there are no REC injuries, then assuming we can protect Pokey from being poached, I'm still not convinced he doesn't sit 1-2 weeks. If he cannot be protected (whilst keeping our Boy Scout image intact) then I guess it's to the AR for him.
The other question is: now which PR guy gets cut. I'd guess Echols. There are way too many RECs, even with a Schoen injury.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 01, 2025, 06:18:13 PMI knew the Bombers would announce this today. Had a little inside info. lol. Glad he's back.
Cheater!
Quote from: bwiser on September 01, 2025, 09:53:42 PMMitchell probably had his best game as a Bomber yesterday yet he will likely be the odd man out.
Let's say no REC was injured in LDC, and let's say Pokey is drawing into AR. I'm not sure it's Mitchell we pull. It might be Wheatie. Why?
1. Both have good potential up side, both
might turn into stars
2. Both are similar in style, both are natural outside guys, and so is Pokey
3. Wheatie probably has more FIFO, tenure, and probably puts in more effort
4. But Mitchell may have a higher aptitude RIGHT NOW, THIS SEASON. If he can regain his rookie year form he's 3X the REC Wheatie is (right now)
If Mitchell can build on the LDC performance and get into a rhythm, he may be the better path to winning NOW.
Wheatie has never scared anyone. No one plans around him. No one cares. Mitchell has already proven (in his 1st 2 years) that he was someone you absolutely have to worry about.
Now, imagine a REC corps Pokey - Mitchell - Demski - Schoen - Clercius. That's a heck of a lot for a DC to worry about, and you basically need to double cover everyone except the extra NAT.
Of course, all this hinges on Mitchell regaining form, at minimum.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2025, 02:14:13 AMWe shall see if Aards is right or not. If Schoen is done for then it's a no-brainer, though we've seen MOS put a Moore type guy in instead in these situations before!
But if there are no REC injuries, then assuming we can protect Pokey from being poached, I'm still not convinced he doesn't sit 1-2 weeks. If he cannot be protected (whilst keeping our Boy Scout image intact) then I guess it's to the AR for him.
The other question is: now which PR guy gets cut. I'd guess Echols. There are way too many RECs, even with a Schoen injury.
If Pokey isn't quite up to speed in time for the BB, they can place him on the 1 game IR with no explanation required, as they've been doing all season with a handful of players.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2025, 02:20:04 AMLet's say no REC was injured in LDC, and let's say Pokey is drawing into AR. I'm not sure it's Mitchell we pull. It might be Wheatie. Why?
1. Both have good potential up side, both might turn into stars
2. Both are similar in style, both are natural outside guys, and so is Pokey
3. Wheatie probably has more FIFO, tenure, and probably puts in more effort
4. But Mitchell may have a higher aptitude RIGHT NOW, THIS SEASON. If he can regain his rookie year form he's 3X the REC Wheatie is (right now)
If Mitchell can build on the LDC performance and get into a rhythm, he may be the better path to winning NOW.
Wheatie has never scared anyone. No one plans around him. No one cares. Mitchell has already proven (in his 1st 2 years) that he was someone you absolutely have to worry about.
Now, imagine a REC corps Pokey - Mitchell - Demski - Schoen - Clercius. That's a heck of a lot for a DC to worry about, and you basically need to double cover everyone except the extra NAT.
Of course, all this hinges on Mitchell regaining form, at minimum.
Have yet to see Mitchell move quickly in any direction, the YAC he gained against the Riders was more a comical exhibition of bad tackling than it was a showcase of skilful running. His biggest asset seems to be his soft hands.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2025, 06:49:48 AMHave yet to see Mitchell move quickly in any direction... His biggest asset seems to be his soft hands.
Like Milt, don't have to be fast to be great.
However, I think we haven't seen his speed because he's not given any gos/posts/corners. Every catch we see him make (so far) is inside or zone sits. He sure found the zone spots in the LDC, eh!
His damage in his rookie year was done beating you over the top. Just torched everyone on deep balls. I think he'll find an extra gear if he's read 1 on a post. I see no reason he should have lost his speed. No real injury history.
And he can also dive for it...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 23, 2025, 10:48:49 PMCome on down Pokey
Isn't he a little small to play O-Line ?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2025, 02:09:47 AMPowell? HAM still has him. I think he's the next CFL-starter, not sure what team yet though. Too bad BLM is like the only QB not injured yet this season, or we would have been able to see more of Powell.
Dane Evans is the player I was thinking of.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2025, 06:43:16 AMIf Pokey isn't quite up to speed in time for the BB, they can place him on the 1 game IR with no explanation required, as they've been doing all season with a handful of players.
A player has to accept the IR designation. Not saying Pokey is not a team player, and wouldn't accept the designation, just saying he doesn't have to.
And there would be zero reason to, especially if Schoen is out.
If it's a case of Mitchell vs. Pokey, I'm picking Pokey even though Mitchell is finally making an impact.
Not playing Pokey would be flat out stupid. Polk played with TO and made some key plays yesterday.
Highly doubt DS will be back, get him in there!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2025, 07:42:50 AMLike Milt, don't have to be fast to be great.
Milt, in his entire CFL career, was never once caught from behind after making the catch.
Not once.
Confirmed by Davis Sanchez during a broadcast last year.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2025, 07:42:50 AMLike Milt, don't have to be fast to be great.
However, I think we haven't seen his speed because he's not given any gos/posts/corners. Every catch we see him make (so far) is inside or zone sits. He sure found the zone spots in the LDC, eh!
His damage in his rookie year was done beating you over the top. Just torched everyone on deep balls. I think he'll find an extra gear if he's read 1 on a post. I see no reason he should have lost his speed. No real injury history.
And he can also dive for it...
Milt was fast, excuse me!
Quote from: Strevy on September 01, 2025, 06:28:11 PMA prime Jerry Rice would still struggle in this Pop Warner offence. That said, the timing is good as I don't think we see DS again this season.
Another nugget of nothingness imo
Rice would get 2000+ yards in his prime in the CFL with Zach slinging imo
DS will be back I'll give u 50 to 1
Quote from: Strevy on September 02, 2025, 06:32:24 PMNot playing Pokey would be flat out stupid. Polk played with TO and made some key plays yesterday.
Highly doubt DS will be back, get him in there!
Osh said Schoen is good to go on coach's show tonite, something he rarely divulges, so I'm assuming he's in the BB.
Quote from: VictorRomano on September 02, 2025, 07:18:01 PMMilt, in his entire CFL career, was never once caught from behind after making the catch.
I'm going by Stegall's own words. On many broadcasts he has said (paraphrase) "I was never the tallest, biggest,
fastest, but I ... <to succeed>". Yes, he always includes fastest in the list of what he
wasn't.
So let's say he was fast but not a top 20% fastest? Would that be fair? Maybe he was really good at swerving to stay away from faster DB's? Or maybe no DBs were very fast back then?
No idea... I didn't watch much CFL throughout the Milt era. But... Milt did say it!
Quote from: markf on September 02, 2025, 01:27:24 PMDane Evans is the player I was thinking of.
Ah ya, Evans. Kind of the forgotten QB. When BLM rolled into town Dane kind of shriveled and disappeared. I think he signed with someone else (BC?) for a tiny bit but just quit when there was no starting spot for him.
Kind of a weird one. As far as backups go he would have been pretty darn good on any team, and he was never really injury prone, or very old, or anything.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2025, 05:36:47 AMAh ya, Evans. Kind of the forgotten QB. When BLM rolled into town Dane kind of shriveled and disappeared. I think he signed with someone else (BC?) for a tiny bit but just quit when there was no starting spot for him.
Evans was traded to the Lions in early 2023 IIRC - shortly after Mitchel re-signed with the Ti-Cats after his rights were traded to them.
Evans only played one season with the Lions before retiring in 2024.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2025, 05:35:25 AMI'm going by Stegall's own words. On many broadcasts he has said (paraphrase) "I was never the tallest, biggest, fastest, but I ... <to succeed>". Yes, he always includes fastest in the list of what he wasn't.
So let's say he was fast but not a top 20% fastest? Would that be fair? Maybe he was really good at swerving to stay away from faster DB's? Or maybe no DBs were very fast back then?
No idea... I didn't watch much CFL throughout the Milt era. But... Milt did say it!
I thought he was plenty fast only slowing down his last year or two, that was due to injury. I couldn't find his 40 time but Wikipedia does say this about his college years:
he competed on Miami's track and field team where he holds the 3rd fastest 100 meter dash, 10.44 seconds, and 5th fastest 200 meter dash, 21.24 secondsHe made the NFL as a WR and stuck for 3 years. Because he was in such good shape he could run past guys later in games when they got tired. I would never say he was not fast and I would guess he was top 5% in the CFL early and mid-career.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 03, 2025, 03:40:03 PMEvans was traded to the Lions in early 2023 IIRC - shortly after Mitchel re-signed with the Ti-Cats after his rights were traded to them.
Evans only played one season with the Lions before retiring in 2024.
Dane Evans had the talent to be a starter somewhere, he could not handle the mental pressure of the game and would melt down for whatever reason. With a minimal amount of psychological help I think he could have been a good QB.
Quote from: Waffler on September 03, 2025, 04:02:10 PMI thought he was plenty fast only slowing down his last year or two, that was due to injury. I couldn't find his 40 time but Wikipedia does say this about his college years: he competed on Miami's track and field team where he holds the 3rd fastest 100 meter dash, 10.44 seconds, and 5th fastest 200 meter dash, 21.24 seconds
Good info. Then I guess it's just Milt being humble. He seems very humble, except about his looks... and suits.