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Ottawa Redblacks lose both starting cornerbacks for rematch with Hamilton
By 3Down Staff -July 19, 2025
The injury situation in the Ottawa Redblacks' secondary has gone from bad to worse ahead of their rematch with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats on Sunday.
Field-side cornerback Adrian Frye has officially been placed on the six-game injured list after missing practice this week with a shoulder issue, while his counterpart to the boundary, C.J. Coldon, has gone on the one-game injured list with an ankle issue. Frye has amassed 14 defensive tackles and three forced fumbles in five games, while Coldon had recorded 22 defensive tackles and two interceptions in six appearances.
Alijah McGhee will slot in at the boundary after dressing as a backup last week. Deandre Lamont, who racked up 86 defensive tackles, five special teams tackles, and one interception in 2024, will make his season debut to the field after recovering from a hamstring injury. Veteran Canadian safety Justin Howell is also returns as insurance, sending rookie Eric Cumberbatch to the practice roster.
The team has made two other significant changes to their starting lineup. Canadian Lucas Cormier, who was reinserted into the lineup last week, has leapfrogged American Ace Eley at weakside linebacker. On the other side of the ball, American rookie Parker Moorer draws back in and will get the start at right guard, sending Canadian veteran Dariusz Bladek to the bench. In corresponding moves, linebacker Dawson Pierre will dress for depth and offensive lineman Dayton Black was demoted to the practice roster.
Ottawa has lost both of their incumbent Global players to the one-game injured list in defensive tackle Blessman Ta'ala (ankle) and linebacker Tyron Vrede (ankle). Japanese linebacker Les Maruo will dress to fill the requirement. Canadian defensive tackle Muftah Ageli is also back in the rotation, with American defensive end Chase McGowan (groin) sitting out this week. Rookie American receiver Easop Winston Jr. will make his CFL debut for added depth with Kalil Pimpleton pulling double duty as a returner.
The Ottawa Redblacks (1-5) will host the Hamilton Tiger-Cats (3-2) at TD Place Stadium on Sunday, July 20 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. These two teams played last week in Hamilton where the Tiger-Cats recorded a 23-20 win.
The weather forecast calls for a high of 24 degrees and a 10 percent chance of showers. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton and TSN 1200 in Ottawa.
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/19/ottawa-redblacks-lose-both-starting-cornerbacks-for-rematch-with-hamilton/
Second-round rookie Isaiah Bagnah out for Hamilton Tiger-Cats in Ottawa
By 3Down Staff -July 19, 2025
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats will have a mostly intact roster for their rematch with the Ottawa Redblacks on Sunday, save for rookie Canadian defensive lineman Isaiah Bagnah.
The team's second-round pick in the 2025 CFL Draft has been placed on the one-game injured list after missing the last two practices of the week with a foot issue. The native of Lethbridge, Alta. has recorded four defensive tackles and one sack in five appearances with the team.
Bagnah spent the last two seasons at Brigham Young University, compiling 52 total tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, two sacks, a forced fumble and three pass breakups in 25 games for the Cougars. He previously attended Boise State University for four seasons, where he made 58 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, 10 sacks, and a forced fumble in 25 appearances.
Canadian offensive lineman Jakub Szott will draw into the lineup to fulfill the ratio requirement. The only other change to the Ticats roster is a swap of third-string quarterbacks, with Harrison Frost becoming a healthy scratch in order to allow veteran Jake Dolegala to dress.
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats (3-2) will visit the Ottawa Redblacks (1-5) at TD Place Stadium on Sunday, July 20 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. These two teams played last week in Hamilton where the Tiger-Cats recorded a 23-20 win.
The weather forecast calls for a high of 24 degrees and a 10 percent chance of showers. The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada and CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on the Ticats Audio Network in Hamilton and TSN 1200 in Ottawa.
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/19/second-round-rookie-isaiah-bagnah-out-for-hamilton-tiger-cats-in-ottawa/
Les Maruo nice ST tackle, who said globals don't make an impact? Lol
Moxie hurt for Cats, starting corner
Better start for JA27
Ottawa lost two DL already
Leggs money 28 in row, pretty nice run for a guy that many on here completely wrote off
Moxie back
Fox starting for Cats on DL
Why would Ottawa challenge to gain 10 yards?
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 20, 2025, 11:26:32 PMWhy would Ottawa challenge to gain 10 yards?
Because they were right
Nice pick, Brown throwing too many ducks
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2025, 11:26:53 PMBecause they were right
But they used up one of their challenges.
I guess they wanna take any win they can.
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 20, 2025, 11:33:24 PMBut they used up one of their challenges.
I guess they wanna take any win they can.
Don't use up a challenge when you win it
Sick catch Kenny, he is earning his cake 100%
watching Kenny must be making Zac sick and it isnt the concussion
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2025, 11:35:34 PMDon't use up a challenge when you win it
Sick catch Kenny, he is earning his cake 100%
You don't lose the time out but you lose the opportunity to possibly challenge later.
You get max 2 challenges a game.
Coaches are permitted to challenge certain rulings by throwing their challenge flag.
Each team has 1 challenge, should their challenge be successful they retain their challenge to use later in the game. But your right they can only challenge twice even if successful which seems dumb
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 20, 2025, 11:38:48 PMYou don't lose the time out but you lose the opportunity to possibly challenge later.
You get max 2 challenges a game.
I thought if you won the challenge you retained the challenge. No?
Quote from: Pete on July 20, 2025, 11:42:06 PMCoaches are permitted to challenge certain rulings by throwing their challenge flag.
Each team has 1 challenge, should their challenge be successful they retain their challenge to use later in the game. But your right they can only challenge twice even if successful which seems dumb
Yeah, that's weird. I guess they don't want the coaches winning a half dozen challenges each per game making the officials look incompetent.
Man, Lawler makes getting a TD reception easy...losing him to FA is going to hurt for a while!!!
BLM has a 12-1 TD-Int ratio....we can only reminisce on that one!!
Brown didn't have his helmet done up there
Lower strap was off
Should be a penalty for noting having helmet secure imo
Ugly head shot as well but impact to Brown might have been less if his lid stayed on
That blatant head-to-head spear on Brown was very ugly. That should be an ejection.
Quote from: Pete on July 20, 2025, 11:38:13 PMwatching Kenny must be making Zac sick and it isnt the concussion
Best to focus on the future, no value in living in the past imo. I would think ex teammates would be happy to see each other succeed.
Garbutt a nice sack.
Someone kills Brown.
These refs are friggin idiots.
Garbutt back here could have been better.
All ex bombers making plays all the time.
Poor execution by our GM.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2025, 11:54:49 PMBrown didn't have his helmet done up there
Lower strap was off
Should be a penalty for noting having helmet secure imo
A blatant spear to the head that should have been called.and you're complaining about a chin strap?? Brown now out of the game .What a joke
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2025, 11:56:16 PMThat blatant head-to-head spear on Brown was very ugly. That should be an ejection.
Why can't the cfl figure this out? They need to stop that kind of thing.
Cost Hamilton three points. Big deal.
Quote from: markf on July 21, 2025, 12:13:56 AMWhy can't the cfl figure this out? They need to stop that kind of thing.
Cost Hamilton three points. Big deal.
That type of big should be automatic 25 yds and game ejection. Qb is in a defenceless position and defender spears him in the head. Gonzo. thing is the refs didn't call anything. that's inexuseable. Where a CC?? they should step in and did the game of.this crap
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2025, 12:04:36 AMA blatant spear to the head that should have been called.and you're complaining about a chin strap?? Brown now out of the game .What a joke
I agree about the penalty, never said it wasn't one. I liked the post J5V as it happened. It was called 25 yards.
I am bringing up a player safety issue and believe the league should ensure helmets are secure. I don't want head shots but I also don't want players hurt because of simple equipment issues. Browns helmet came off too easy there because of chin strap issue. I was curious if anyone else had info about helmet related issues (straps).
You are going off on me for no reason.
Not sure how the league treats these in terms of elections. Close call there.
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2025, 12:18:53 AMThat type of big should be automatic 25 yds and game ejection. Qb is in a defenceless position and defender spears him in the head. Gonzo. thing is the refs didn't call anything. that's inexuseable. Where a CC?? they should step in and did the game of.this crap
As the player approached the QB at full speed he intentionally lowers his head to initiate the blow with a head-to-head spear. There is no excuse for it. I can't imagine what these refs and/or the CC are thinking when they see something like that. Who would want to be a QB in this league with players taking those kinds of liberties with our star QBs. There's no place for it in our game and to call nothing on a dangerous play like that is, as you said, inexcusable.
Nice to see Milt back on the panel. I've missed the Beagle.
Quote from: J5V on July 21, 2025, 12:34:15 AMNice to see Milt back on the panel. I've missed the Beagle.
So awesome
Quote from: J5V on July 21, 2025, 12:34:15 AMNice to see Milt back on the panel. I've missed the Beagle.
He got a very long ovation in the Peg. Seemed to be meaningful for him.
He's a courageous person.
Quote from: J5V on July 21, 2025, 12:31:08 AMAs the player approached the QB at full speed he intentionally lowers his head to initiate the blow with a head-to-head spear. There is no excuse for it. I can't imagine what these refs and/or the CC are thinking when they see something like that. Who would want to be a QB in this league with players taking those kinds of liberties with our star QBs. There's no place for it in our game and to call nothing on a dangerous play like that is, as you said, inexcusable.
He lowers his head to go for the top of the chest. Brown puts his head down to protect himself, but his helmet comes off because he didn't do up the chin strap. Refs on the field say no RTP. Refs at the command centre see that Brown gets hurt and hands out 25 yards. Results oriented penalty.
IMO, Brown should get the 10 yard penalty for not doing up his chin strap.
QuoteArticle 2 — Helmets
A player shall be required to wear a helmet when on the Field of Play and shall not voluntarily remove it while the play is in progress.
PENALTY: (https://cfldb.ca/rulebook/legend-of-abbreviations/#pbd)L10 (https://cfldb.ca/rulebook/legend-of-abbreviations/#l10) PBD (https://cfldb.ca/rulebook/legend-of-abbreviations/#pbd)
Any player's chinstrap must be completely fastened prior to the snap.
(https://cfldb.ca/rulebook/legend-of-abbreviations/#pbd)
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 21, 2025, 12:45:57 AMHe lowers his head to go for the top of the chest. Brown puts his head down to protect himself, but his helmet comes off because he didn't do up the chin strap. Refs on the field say no RTP. Refs at the command centre see that Brown gets hurt and hands out 25 yards. Results oriented penalty.
IMO, Brown should get the 10 yard penalty for not doing up his chin strap.
Thanks, I figured it would be a penalty. 10 yards seams reasonable. Not sure I have seen that called. Hope they start checking to protect our players. Coaches will have a word with Brown now doubt. Weird command center didn't catch that. I noticed presnap. Not sure if both lowers were undone. One side for sure.
Ottawa loses another DL
Cats OL looks hurt bad
ooof - bad call to not give up the single, next play Crum tosses a pick.
dyce may be turfed. when is their bye week?
Quote from: The Zipp on July 21, 2025, 01:25:07 AMooof - bad call to not give up the single, next play Crum tosses a pick.
dyce may be turfed. when is their bye week?
Next week
Disagree they will stick with him at least for a bit but they need the win here badly
Yes comedy of errors
Nice pick Pickett
Such a critical drop there
Man this is an ugly game. Ottawa playing its backup, what's Hamilton's excuse??
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 01:29:41 AMNext week
Disagree they will stick with him at least for a bit but they need the win here badly
Yes comedy of errors
Nice pick Pickett
Such a critical drop there
the amount of injuries they had may save him but a loss tonight and sitting at 1-6 doesn't bode well for him.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 21, 2025, 01:35:10 AMthe amount of injuries they had may save him but a loss tonight and sitting at 1-6 doesn't bode well for him.
It doesn't
Read my mind, get partial get out of jail free based on injuries
Does not get to pass go lol
JA 27 bbbbeast mode activated
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 21, 2025, 12:45:57 AMHe lowers his head to go for the top of the chest.
I call BS.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2025, 11:12:09 PMLes Maruo nice ST tackle, who said globals don't make an impact? Lol
Moxie hurt for Cats, starting corner
Better start for JA27
Ottawa lost two DL already
Leggs money 28 in row, pretty nice run for a guy that many on here completely wrote off
Moxie back
Fox starting for Cats on DL
Still me saying that. He made an ST tackle . Whoopteedo.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 12:21:59 AMI agree about the penalty, never said it wasn't one. I liked the post J5V as it happened. It was called 25 yards.
I am bringing up a player safety issue and believe the league should ensure helmets are secure. I don't want head shots but I also don't want players hurt because of simple equipment issues. Browns helmet came off too easy there because of chin strap issue. I was curious if anyone else had info about helmet related issues (straps).
You are going off on me for no reason.
Not sure how the league treats these in terms of elections. Close call there.
I don't think that the chin strap would have helped on that hit. In fact it might have made the hit more significant with the head forced back as a result. I don't know what it takes to get a player ejected. Brown may miss several games after that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 01:42:21 AMI don't think that the chin strap would have helped on that hit. In fact it might have made the hit more significant with the head forced back as a result. I don't know what it takes to get a player ejected. Brown may miss several games after that.
Disagree the helmet when properly secured is designed to provide max protection
That flee flicker was ugly!
Quote from: J5V on July 20, 2025, 11:47:37 PMYeah, that's weird. I guess they don't want the coaches winning a half dozen challenges each per game making the officials look incompetent.
Ya, and you don't want them to have so many challenges that they feel the need to go Dave Dickenson Fishing in the last 5 mins just because they can.
If the officials make more than 2 egregious mistakes per team per game then there's bigger problems anyhow!
Quote from: gobombersgo on July 20, 2025, 11:26:32 PMWhy would Ottawa challenge to gain 10 yards?
Dyce loves blowing his challenge in the first half! Always has. Usually loses.
I'm shocked they gave OTT that overturn. Since the 2024 memo, that uncalled-DPI challenge usually always fails. Per last year's "rules" I'm shocked they overturned this one. Pretty bang-bang. They let those slide in the last couple of games this week. But they did give another team one a couple of weeks ago, which was also shocking.
I think they are being biased by giving garbage teams who are going to lose bad these overturns where good teams would not get them.
Quote from: markf on July 21, 2025, 12:13:56 AMWhy can't the cfl figure this out? They need to stop that kind of thing.
They have terms spelled out in the rules now, like ram, butt, spear. That hit was made way worse by the D guy lifting his head up during the hit. If he tucks his head further down he won't even hit Dru's head!
It was an old school hit, and the D guy should know better. However, he did succeed in "taking out" a good QB, and for most D's that's worth a 25 yarder. I wonder if the team gets together to chip in to pay the dude's upcoming fine...
Quote from: markf on July 21, 2025, 12:37:31 AMHe got a very long ovation in the Peg. Seemed to be meaningful for him.
For those who weren't there, the ovation was unlike anything I've ever seen. First, everyone went to their feet instantly. No hesitation.
Second, around the time the clapping/noise would start dying down, all of a sudden it jacked back up. Even more than at the start! It did that again and maybe even another time after that.
The only reason it stopped is the announcers segued into the anthem announcement. I'm pretty sure the Milt love would have gone on for a whole extra minute had they waited.
You're always welcome in WPG Milt.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 21, 2025, 12:45:57 AMRefs on the field say no RTP. Refs at the command centre see that Brown gets hurt and hands out 25 yards. Results oriented penalty.
The refs on field (Major?) immediately threw the flag, the moment the hit happened. It's the ref behind and to the right of Dru. The only thing command was doing was deciding if it was a 25Y and/or ejection.
P.S. As I look at it again I think the dude gets a 1 game
suspension. League has been doing more than just fines for such hits.
Kenny's knee issue before the half was a non-contact, and he was limping going into halftime. But he looks ok so far in 2nd H.
Not good for Kenny if he has a minor MCL/ACL strain. Well, not good for my fantasy team!
I wish nothing bad on Kenny, as he's so fun to watch. But him being out for 6G with a knee would make the Schoen woes more palatable. Goes to show it's all a crapshoot when it comes to injuries. All a GM can do is hope for the best, and use heuristics to factor in injury probabilities.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 21, 2025, 02:39:40 AMThe refs on field (Major?) immediately threw the flag, the moment the hit happened. It's the ref behind and to the right of Dru. The only thing command was doing was deciding if it was a 25Y and/or ejection.
P.S. As I look at it again I think the dude gets a 1 game suspension. League has been doing more than just fines for such hits.
Should get 1 game for sure and so should the refs!!
Quote from: J5V on July 21, 2025, 01:37:23 AMI call BS.
The tackler is in a real tough spot there. If he does go in neck/head back, facemask first, then he'll still hit the QB FM to FM, and I'm pretty sure that's still RTP.
I think the only real choice for full-run pass rushers is they need to aim for the side of the QB so they can lead with the shoulder, having the head to the outside of the QB body.
If they put the head waaay down they could still get a spearing, even if there's zero H2H.
It's gotten to the point half the with-speed sacks in the CFL are RTP. And it's often on 2nd (passing) down, meaning the RTP is worse than just harassing the QB rather than tackling.
Hey, maybe this is why WFC doesn't seem to try for or care about sacks... Maybe they ran the numbers and it's better to harass and contain than to actually hit.
The tackler is not in a tough spot, slide your head to the side to make the tackle, just like you were taught in youth league when you were 10 years old. Guys coming in and spearing the Qb like what happened to Brown, is NO accident, it was totally intentional. The league has got to wake up. This stuff is called in amateur ball all the time, yet when it comes to the pros--who are much better tacklers than amateurs, the officials let it go. These guys know what they're doing, they are spearing the Qb with the intention of knocking him out of the game, which is exactly what happened. What else has to happen, is those spearing a Qb in the head while throwing get a 25 yd rough play and a game misconduct. There should be no debate to this. It's like the old hockey debate that if you didn't draw blood it wasn't a high stick.
Get with the stinking program and start protecting players brains for gods sake!!!!!
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2025, 03:31:19 AMGet with the stinking program and start protecting players brains for gods sake!!!!!
To be fair, we don't see this exact hit much anymore. At least not this season. That's why this one seems a bit shocking. Most front-7's know better than to ram/butt like this.
That's also why I think he'll get a harsh result (suspension). If they really wanted to send a message they'd make it 2+ games. But there's not much precedent for that in this case.
Doesn't help that Amos was really stoked and celebrating big time right after the hit. Reminded me of Awe.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 21, 2025, 03:40:35 AMTo be fair, we don't see this exact hit much anymore. At least not this season. That's why this one seems a bit shocking. Most front-7's know better than to ram/butt like this.
That's also why I think he'll get a harsh result (suspension). If they really wanted to send a message they'd make it 2+ games. But there's not much precedent for that in this case.
Doesn't help that Amos was really stoked and celebrating big time right after the hit. Reminded me of Awe.
He should get a game for the hit and a game for the bogus celebration dance afterwards. That was totally classless. Guarantee you that would never happen on a MOS team. He has too much class for that BS.
Lost total and all respect for this player and put him right up there with Awe and only hope that they get whats coming to them from the football gods.
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2025, 03:45:17 AMHe should get a game for the hit and a game for the bogus celebration dance afterwards. That was totally classless. Guarantee you that would never happen on a MOS team. He has too much class for that BS.
Lost total and all respect for this player and put him right up there with Awe and only hope that they get whats coming to them from the football gods.
The potential damage done to the Ottawa franchise in terms of dropping ticket sales, Bob Dyce's tenure and Dru Brown's future health could be immense, and the cost was only a 25 yd penalty. The CFL has to wake up, idiots like Amos and others are costing the league millions in lost revenue by devaluing the entertainment value of the the league severely. If they have to start Crum I won't bother watching any RB games as they stand little chance of winning, and I bet I'm not the only one.
It's been 3 years since Garrett Marino destroyed Masoli's career, tanked LaPo's coaching career and sunk the Ottawa franchise to depths they still have not recovered from functionally and financially. What has the CFL learned in the 3 years since?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 21, 2025, 06:40:09 AMIf they have to start Crum I won't bother watching any RB games as they stand little chance of winning, and I bet I'm not the only one.
I don't know, Crum did about as good as Dru did in this game! Either Dru is faltering (no OL and REC help), or Crum has improved a bit. Maybe both.
And none of this helps stop the type of injury Zach took because it was a "clean hit".
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 01:47:24 AMDisagree the helmet when properly secured is designed to provide max protection
That flee flicker was ugly!
Think about it. The blow came from under the face mask (which it appeared to have done ). With the chin strap on tight there would be greater force applied on the head because there would be resistance by the face mask for the helmet to not come off. That could be a bad think in this instance.
Try putting on a helmet and apply upward pressure on the face mask and see what it does to your neck. Now do the same thing without the chin strap on tight.
The injury didn't appear to occur with the head hitting the turf after the helmet came off. If it did then you have a reasonable point. However, that's a risk analysis on which situation would cause the most damage.
Anyone want to post the hit in slow mo? I didn't record the game.
They've done studies and the most common location of concussion for a qb is back of the head. They have special QB helmets for this now. I posted a bit about them last season.
https://biokinetics.com/enhancing-football-helmet-safety-the-role-of-position-specific-nfl-testing/
Quarterbacks
Quarterbacks endure low, medium and high-velocity impacts from all directions and can be particularly subject to being blindsided by hits or tackles during key play points. They also are now tested against low and medium speed hits against the turf. Overall performance scores in NFL helmet rankings for quarterbacks weight testing scores highly on the impact with the turf. The NFL's QB helmet protocol includes a total of 21 tests.
These are position specific. I attach the list of top preforming helmets for Quarterbacks.
Quote from: Waffler on July 21, 2025, 01:39:31 PMThey've done studies and the most common location of concussion for a qb is back of the head. They have special QB helmets for this now. I posted a bit about them last season.
Decrease your risk of brain damage, v. Looking uncool, not tough enough.
Not smart..... Particularly for someone with a concussion history.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 01:42:21 AMI don't think that the chin strap would have helped on that hit. In fact it might have made the hit more significant with the head forced back as a result. I don't know what it takes to get a player ejected. Brown may miss several games after that.
Head inside a helmet hitting the ground is way better than not inside the helmet. Protection is the whole point of the helmet in the first place.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 21, 2025, 02:39:40 AMThe refs on field (Major?) immediately threw the flag, the moment the hit happened. It's the ref behind and to the right of Dru. The only thing command was doing was deciding if it was a 25Y and/or ejection.
P.S. As I look at it again I think the dude gets a 1 game suspension. League has been doing more than just fines for such hits.
I think he gets a suspension too, but it's only because Brown got injured on the play.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 21, 2025, 02:35:51 PMHead inside a helmet hitting the ground is way better than not inside the helmet. Protection is the whole point of the helmet in the first place.I think he gets a suspension too, but it's only because Brown got injured on the play.
You missed my point about whether the blow came from under the face mask and how that could have a greater strain on the neck. Obviously a head inside a helmet hitting the ground is beneficial in most instances.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 02:43:59 PMYou missed my point about whether the blow came from under the face mask and how that could have a greater strain on the neck. Obviously a head inside a helmet hitting the ground is beneficial in most instances.
Strain on the neck isn't a concussion which makes is way less of a problem.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 01:15:22 PMThink about it. The blow came from under the face mask (which it appeared to have done ). With the chin strap on tight there would be greater force applied on the head because there would be resistance by the face mask for the helmet to not come off. That could be a bad think in this instance.
Try putting on a helmet and apply upward pressure on the face mask and see what it does to your neck. Now do the same thing without the chin strap on tight.
The injury didn't appear to occur with the head hitting the turf after the helmet came off. If it did then you have a reasonable point. However, that's a risk analysis on which situation would cause the most damage.
Anyone want to post the hit in slow mo? I didn't record the game.
Disagree with your analysis. The helmet is made to be secured. A penalty is accessed if it isn't. Stretching here imo. Sure hope he is ok. A helmet coming off is a huge risk.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 03:20:57 PMDisagree with your analysis. The helmet is made to be secured. A penalty is accessed if it isn't. Stretching here imo. Sure hope he is ok. A helmet coming off is a huge risk.
We aren't in total disagreement. If you read what I said and what may have happened, that falls into the 1% or less of blows to the head. Obviously the intent is for the helmet to be secured and there should be a penalty if it isn't.
There are helmet's that are more beneficial for certain types of blows as well. There is no 100% perfect solution or one size fits all.
I don't think you've ever worn a helmet or spoken with anyone that does?
I'd still like to a slow mo shot of the play involved.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 04:58:09 PMWe aren't in total disagreement. If you read what I said and what may have happened, that falls into the 1% or less of blows to the head. Obviously the intent is for the helmet to be secured and there should be a penalty if it isn't.
There are helmet's that are more beneficial for certain types of blows as well. There is no 100% perfect solution or one size fits all.
I don't think you've ever worn a helmet or spoken with anyone that does?
I'd still like to a slow mo shot of the play involved.
Thanks for clarifing your positon.
I believe the injury occurred on contact and the helmet flew off. Having ones head exposed during this violet hit add all kinds of risk to a player. In this case he got lucky and it didn't add an additional injury post contact I believe. Happened pretty quick live.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 04:58:09 PMWe aren't in total disagreement. If you read what I said and what may have happened, that falls into the 1% or less of blows to the head. Obviously the intent is for the helmet to be secured and there should be a penalty if it isn't.
There are helmet's that are more beneficial for certain types of blows as well. There is no 100% perfect solution or one size fits all.
I don't think you've ever worn a helmet or spoken with anyone that does?
I'd still like to a slow mo shot of the play involved.
Do a search on YouTube, you'll likely find the clip along with a multitude of savages celebrating the destruction of Brown's brain-matter.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 21, 2025, 05:23:29 PMDo a search on YouTube, you'll likely find the clip along with a multitude of savages celebrating the destruction of Brown's brain-matter.
The hit was bad enough, but to celebrate it afterwards is sickening. I hope each and everyone of those classless idiots get what's coming to them.
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 05:06:41 PMThanks for clarifing your positon.
I believe the injury occurred on contact and the helmet flew off. Having ones head exposed during this violet hit add all kinds of risk to a player. In this case he got lucky and it didn't add an additional injury post contact I believe. Happened pretty quick live.
Very true since it happens in a crowd and players are coming from all sorts of angles.
On other news the Redblacks look Completely cooked yet again this year. Bit of a shame.
Dru Brown or whomever and that offence is brutal.
Bring Dru back here!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 21, 2025, 05:52:38 PMOn other news the Redblacks look Completely cooked yet again this year. Bit of a shame.
Dru Brown or whomever and that offence is brutal.
Bring Dru back here!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 21, 2025, 05:52:38 PMOn other news the Redblacks look Completely cooked yet again this year. Bit of a shame.
Dru Brown or whomever and that offence is brutal.
Bring Dru back here!
Ottawa has to start some sort of airlift.They have a lot of players on IR and more were injured this weekend. Hard to tell who will be ready or when but something needs to change quick.
They only have 7 showing on their PR at the moment but the roster updates are not entirely accurate either.
Brown, Mauldin and Laing were among those hurt this weekend that I remember.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 21, 2025, 05:52:38 PMOn other news the Redblacks look Completely cooked yet again this year. Bit of a shame.
Dru Brown or whomever and that offence is brutal.
Bring Dru back here!
Dru Brown is signed thru the end of 2026, by that time he may have had enough and seek to flee the tire fire for a better situation. I think it highly unlikely Bob Dyce survives beyond this season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 21, 2025, 06:16:39 PMDru Brown is signed thru the end of 2026, by that time he may have had enough and seek to flee the tire fire for a better situation. I think it highly unlikely Bob Dyce survives beyond this season.
I don't think he makes it to Sept long weekend.
Quote from: dd on July 21, 2025, 09:46:11 PMI don't think he makes it to Sept long weekend.
I don't know if it's true, but I read today (Reddit cfl ) that Cory Mace applied for the Redblacks coaching job, but they went with Bob Dyce.
Just saw the replay of the hit on Dru Brown. As I suggested I think the hit was under the face mask and the helmet came off before he hit the ground. Brown may have also hit his head on the turf but that seemed a lesser issue than the helmet being ripped over his head.
I'm not sure he suffered a concussion but I think protocol kicks in when there is any blow to the head. I guess we'll find out if he's cleared to play this week.
Quote from: markf on July 22, 2025, 01:51:33 AMI don't know if it's true, but I read today (Reddit cfl ) that Cory Mace applied for the Redblacks coaching job, but they went with Bob Dyce.
Word on Riderforum is Mace didn't get the job because he wanted (more) control of player selection.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 21, 2025, 05:58:26 PMOttawa has to start some sort of airlift.
Do they need a REC yet? If so, I have the perfect trade-bait... D.Mitchell for a 1RDP!!
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 21, 2025, 02:47:50 PMStrain on the neck isn't a concussion which makes is way less of a problem.
Ya, but tell that to Zach, who has been out for a few games before for "neck strain" due to sacks.
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 21, 2025, 02:35:51 PMI think he gets a suspension too, but it's only because Brown got injured on the play.
Ya, CFL has a habit of making the punishment dependent on the results. Like if Masoli had not gotten maimed by Marino, would Marino have been suspended?
I'm torn on whether the severity of the injury should be factored in. It's kind of like trying to read intent.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 22, 2025, 02:37:25 AMYa, but tell that to Zach, who has been out for a few games before for "neck strain" due to sacks.
A sore neck can be a serious issue as well but it's a different issue than a concussion.