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Title: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 04, 2025, 08:22:50 PM
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Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 04, 2025, 08:23:05 PM
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Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 04, 2025, 08:25:35 PM
DB Dionté Ruffin returns, Lorenzo Burns out for Montreal Alouettes vs B.C.
By 3Down Staff -July 4, 2025

The Montreal Alouettes will be making a change at boundary cornerback ahead of their matchup with the B.C. Lions on Saturday.

Starter Lorenzo Burns, who has established himself as one of the league's top lockdown cover men through the first month of the season, as officially been placed on the one-game injured list with a shoulder issue. In four games this year, he has made 19 defensive tackles, two special teams tackles, one interception, and one forced fumble.

Making the replacement easy is veteran defensive back Dionté Ruffin, who has yet to play this season due to a nagging hamstring injury. The 26-year-old played in all 18 games in 2024, amassing an impressive 56 defensive tackles and five interceptions, including one returned for a touchdown.

Also making his first appearance of the season due to hamstring issues is Canadian defensive end Josh Archibald, who will enter the rotation against the team he left in free agency. American pass rusher M.J. Sherman will return to the practice roster, while American linebacker K.D. Davis dresses for special teams depth.

On offence, rookie American receiver Jalen Wayne will make his CFL debut as a starter with Austin Mack sitting out for a second straight week. Canadian receiver Daniel Oladejo and American running back Stevie Scott III have been demoted to the practice roster.

The Montreal Alouettes (3-1) will host the B.C. Lions (1-3) at Percival Molson Stadium on Saturday, July 5 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The weather forecast calls for a high of 25 degrees with a mix of sun and clouds and a 30 percent chance of showers.

The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and on CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 730 CKNW in Vancouver and TSN 690 in Montreal.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/04/db-dionte-ruffin-returns-lorenzo-burns-out-for-montreal-alouettes-vs-b-c/
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 04, 2025, 08:29:26 PM
Linebacker Josh Woods returns to B.C. Lions' lineup after ACL recovery
By 3Down Staff -July 4, 2025

The B.C. Lions will get a massive boost to their linebacking corps following a year-long absence, as American standout Josh Woods is set to make his return from a torn ACL on Saturday.

The 27-year-old was poised for a breakout season in 2024, his first as a full-time starter,  and recorded 21 defensive tackles through the first three games before injuring his knee on June 28 against Edmonton. In total, Woods has appeared in 41 regular-season CFL games with B.C. since 2021, making 90 defensive tackles, 22 special teams tackles, two sacks, two interceptions, and scoring a defensive touchdown.

Woods is currently listed as a backup at weakside linebacker behind Canadian Ben Hladik, who has 13 defensive tackles, four special teams tackles, and an interception so far this season. However, the UCLA product is expected to see significant package usage and can play under the designation of a nationalized American veteran.

In addition to Woods' return, the defence has received good news in the form of Canadian defensive end Mathieu Betts, who won't miss time despite being limited with an elbow injury. Team sack leader DeWayne Hendrix (thigh) won't be so lucky and has been placed on the one-game injured list, with rookie Tomasi Laulile making his debut at defensive tackle. Backup defensive back Tyler Coyle (thigh) has been moved to the six-game, while rookie Canadian safety Jackson Findlay returns from a hamstring issue.

Offensively, the team had already announced that Canadian quarterback Nathan Rourke would make his return to the starting lineup after a two-game absence. He will be joined by receiver Stanley Berryhill III, who scored two touchdowns in the season opener. That bumps rookie Jermaine Jackson back to return duties, while Phillip Brooks has been demoted to the practice roster.

There will also be a change at right guard as 2024 first-round CFL Draft pick Anu Una is set to make his first career start in place of Tyler Packer, who has been placed on the six-game with a head injury. Backup Canadian receiver Kieran Poissant also slides back into the lineup following the release of Ezechiel Tieide.

The B.C. Lions (1-3) will visit the Montreal Alouettes (3-1) at Percival Molson Stadium on Saturday, July 5 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT. The weather forecast calls for a high of 25 degrees with a mix of sun and clouds and a 30 percent chance of showers.

The game will be broadcast on TSN and RDS in Canada, CBS Sports Network in the United States, and on CFL+ internationally. Radio listeners can tune-in on 730 CKNW in Vancouver and TSN 690 in Montreal.

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/04/linebacker-josh-woods-returns-to-b-c-lions-lineup-after-acl-recovery/
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: gobombersgo on July 04, 2025, 08:31:53 PM
Montreal Alouettes rule out QB Davis Alexander for second week in a row
By 3Down Staff -July 3, 2025
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/03/montreal-alouettes-rule-out-qb-davis-alexander-for-second-week-in-a-row/

B.C. Lions confirm Canadian QB Nathan Rourke to start vs. Alouettes

By 3Down Staff -July 3, 2025
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/03/b-c-lions-confirm-canadian-qb-nathan-rourke-to-start-vs-alouettes/
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 05, 2025, 08:12:00 AM
Interesting contest with Rourke back.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: dd on July 05, 2025, 03:53:37 PM
Rourke is a definite upgrade from Masoli, who was brutal in the games he played, but Montreal's defense will take care of him, even with MBT leading their team, I think Montreal wins this one
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Blue In BC on July 05, 2025, 04:25:08 PM
Montreal had the same bad outcome last week as the Bombers did this week. We'll see what they're made of today. Losing is never a good but getting your butt's handed to you is a different matter. Regardless a loss is still only one game.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Jesse on July 05, 2025, 04:51:21 PM
I don't think Rourke will have a lot of success against Montreal, but can Montreal get anything going on offence?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 05, 2025, 07:52:34 PM
Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2025, 04:51:21 PMI don't think Rourke will have a lot of success against Montreal, but can Montreal get anything going on offence?
Als are due for disastrous game on O.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 10:55:21 PM
MTL's D looked weak last week.  Not like the unstoppable Ento/Dequoy & crew they usually are.  Maybe teams have been finding chinks in the armor?  We should take notes for when we face them.  Usually MTL is the best D in the league.

Buck isn't known for calling great games vs MTL...
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:13:22 PM
Hey, Valesi doesn't do French.  Surprised they gave the game to him.  Usually Frenchieville gets Proulx or (passable French) Major.

Maybe someone is ill.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 05, 2025, 11:14:17 PM
haha rourke - great INT, Ento is a baller
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on July 05, 2025, 11:14:17 PMhaha rourke - great INT, Ento is a baller

The exact same thing he did to Zach in the GC.  If you're gonna chuck that corner you need to overthrow Ento.  Anything less than an overthrow is gonna get picked.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:18:10 PM
Does BC know how to tackle?  Both times they just gave up before the whistle.

When you get beat bad by STE, who is basically JA27, you know you're a bad run D.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 05, 2025, 11:18:16 PM
montreal Philpot is so good

Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:25:50 PM
BC needs to use Rourke running 40% of the time to make up for MTL coming down hard on Butler.  Gotta keep that run game alive or those MTL DBs will feast
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:31:07 PM
Man the BC body language by the front 7 is already pathetic.  Have they given up already?  What's wrong with Buck getting these guys in line.

Well, Buck is like the anti-Kavis, I doubt he could even channel his inner Dinwiddie, which is what may be required to whip these guys into shape.

On the bright side, it looks like we may be able to cross BC off the list of contenders this season.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 05, 2025, 11:31:56 PM
raaaaaambo.  terrible drop
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:32:15 PM
That would have been a TD for Rambo.

Weird, but MBT is looking as accurate as VAJ & BLM did this week!
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 05, 2025, 11:32:53 PM
bc defense is really poor so far. 
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Pete on July 05, 2025, 11:49:39 PM
best thing about this game is not having suitor talk about 2022 Roarke
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:00:00 AM
Quote from: Pete on July 05, 2025, 11:49:39 PMbest thing about this game is not having suitor talk about 2022 Roarke
I agree. I was just about to post something similar so I'm glad you noticed it also. Smith and Forde aren't just filling the airtime with nonsense. They're calling the game, letting it flow, and are even quiet at times. Huge improvement over Dustin and Glen and definitely listenable.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2025, 12:06:30 AM
Rourke's gotta watch those hits while throwing or he'll aggravate the obliques again.

That was totally not a fumble, there's a reason the ball shot out at the same speed as a bad pass.

I don't like how teams are still overloading the line on FG/PAT, even though they are keeping within the 6 player limit.  Watch these skewed alignments and how they often get a mitt on the ball to block the FG/PAT.  They always attack the A gap while making sure not to trigger the Rempel Rule.

Haha, Valesi is the new First Down Foxcroft?  What the heck was that?  Don't ham it up for the home crowd.  Be objective.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:11:31 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:32:15 PMThat would have been a TD for Rambo.

Weird, but MBT is looking as accurate as VAJ & BLM did this week!
I dunno about that. He's such a noodle arm. lol!
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:17:34 AM
MBT's accuracy has really dropped off but BC keeps getting flagged for PI.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:28:09 AM
Quote from: Pete on July 05, 2025, 11:49:39 PMbest thing about this game is not having suitor talk about 2022 Roarke
Laura a big upgrade over Kate, too. I don't feel like I'm being yelled at by a psycho.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Jesse on July 06, 2025, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2025, 11:32:15 PMThat would have been a TD for Rambo.

Weird, but MBT is looking as accurate as VAJ & BLM did this week!

Did Bighill share BC's playbook too?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2025, 12:46:42 AM
I'm shocked Betts is A-OK.  His arm looked really messed up last game.  I wonder what it really was.  They listed it as "elbow".
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:46:53 AM
Sorry Tecno, but MBT sucks. On the short stuff he is throwing behind his receivers and he just missed a wide open Snead on a deep shot that would've been six -- he wasn't even close.

The only thing that's keeping the Montreal offense rolling are all the penalties against BC.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:48:55 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2025, 12:46:42 AMI'm shocked Betts is A-OK.  His arm looked really messed up last game.  I wonder what it really was.  They listed it as "elbow".

Dislocation maybe?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2025, 01:06:33 AM
Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:17:34 AMMBT's accuracy has really dropped off but BC keeps getting flagged for PI.

Ya, he was great at first.

I'm at the STE TD before the half, and that's a really funny play.  No one respects STE and they just let him sit in the EZ uncovered.  I picked the wrong RB in fantasy this week... Brady was a bust, and cheapo STE is mega.  Backwards world.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 01:13:36 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2025, 01:06:33 AMYa, he was great at first.

I'm at the STE TD before the half, and that's a really funny play.  No one respects STE and they just let him sit in the EZ uncovered.  I picked the wrong RB in fantasy this week... Brady was a bust, and cheapo STE is mega.  Backwards world.

STE is a helluva back as is Butler. Much respect for both.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 01:30:41 AM
Awe has always been an undisciplined player but he could have been flagged for the facemask and a shove out of bounds. Penalties should be destroying BC but MBT has been so bad Montreal has been unable to capitalise on all these penalties.

If I was Jason Maas I'd let Caleb Evans have another shot at running the Als offense.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:32:27 AM
BC SUX
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:33:01 AM
I like that McInnis
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:33:55 AM


Nope holding BC SUX and Als DPI

Correction yes and yes lol
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:37:32 AM
Every play is a desaster for both sides? Lol

Where is punchable face when you need him?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:39:02 AM
Wow!

Nice one BC . Als DB falls down  :D
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:44:15 AM
Big Stop on D for BC SUX
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 01:45:14 AM
should have gone for it on 3rd and 3
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:46:03 AM
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 01:45:14 AMshould have gone for it on 3rd and 3
meh. Maybe...maybe right decision.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:48:26 AM
BC SUX no closure...

Can the funny birds capitalize
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 01:48:45 AM
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 01:46:03 AMmeh. Maybe...maybe right decision.

yah.  was coming back to say the same thing
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Knocker42 on July 06, 2025, 01:50:32 AM
Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2025, 12:00:00 AMI agree. I was just about to post something similar so I'm glad you noticed it also. Smith and Forde aren't just filling the airtime with nonsense. They're calling the game, letting it flow, and are even quiet at times. Huge improvement over Dustin and Glen and definitely listenable.
Absolutely agree and isn't it nice to not have Kate yelling at us too!!
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 01:53:42 AM
Helluva run by STE there may have saved the Als bacon in this one.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 02:00:03 AM
that penalty could cost montreal

Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 02:03:02 AM
wow.  whyte is usually automatic this is crazy.  here we go
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 02:04:30 AM
he don't miss very often
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 02:05:26 AM
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 02:00:03 AMthat penalty could cost montreal



that penalty certainly helped their field position
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Blue In BC on July 06, 2025, 02:07:54 AM
Montreal penalty gave the Lions the extra yardage they needed to kick the winning FG. What the heck 0.2 seconds remaining seemed iffy but I don't know it could be challenged. OTOH if the defenders don't touch him for a split second the clock would go to zero before they could call the receiver for surrendering as down?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 02:10:27 AM
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2025, 02:07:54 AMMontreal penalty gave the Lions the extra yardage they needed to kick the winning FG. What the heck 0.2 seconds remaining seemed iffy but I don't know it could be challenged. OTOH if the defenders don't touch him for a split second the clock would go to zero before they could call the receiver for surrendering as down?

when they showed the clock on the replay it was clear there was time left. was a great play to get them closer.  whyte is crazy accurate but not at long distances anymore
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 02:11:08 AM
Haha Mass and Als you blew it. :D
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 02:13:53 AM
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2025, 02:07:54 AMMontreal penalty gave the Lions the extra yardage they needed to kick the winning FG. What the heck 0.2 seconds remaining seemed iffy but I don't know it could be challenged. OTOH if the defenders don't touch him for a split second the clock would go to zero before they could call the receiver for surrendering as down?
It think your over analyzing this one. There was clear time remaining.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 02:18:02 AM
What a terrible penalty for #66 Lestage to take there. Forced the Als to kick from their 15 yard line and ended up costing his team the game.

Looks like there'll be some supplementary discipline for a brawl at the end of this one too.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2025, 02:33:58 AM
What's with the kerfuffle at the end of the game, the CFL needs to get after the coaches to contain their mouthy hotheads and cut this crap out, it's been happening way too often in the last 2-3 years.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 02:37:15 AM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2025, 02:33:58 AMWhat's with the kerfuffle at the end of the game, the CFL needs to get after the coaches to contain their mouthy hotheads and cut this crap out, it's been happening way too often in the last 2-3 years.

i walked away from the tv right after the kick.  missed all that

https://x.com/tsn_sports/status/1941684442356957508?s=46&t=8CnDJGqaCBCZBxQBGwVX4Q
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: ichabod_crane on July 06, 2025, 02:40:01 AM
Probably hot head Jason Maas involved at the end. Some real hay makers were being tossed! Most excitement all game! 😝 was some carry over from last in the game as was very chippy stuff going on
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Blue In BC on July 06, 2025, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 06, 2025, 02:13:53 AMIt think your over analyzing this one. There was clear time remaining.

I didn't record the game so couldn't watch it again. On TV they mentioned zero but obviously that was incorrect. Time left is one thing but 0.2 seconds? I don't know I've ever seen that. lol
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Waffler on July 06, 2025, 01:45:08 PM
If that had happened against us I would be pretty upset. The optics of the last 2 plays with 8 seconds left. A batted down ball at line of scrimmage took 5 seconds. An actual completion where the the receiver went down fast but not immediate takes just 2.8 seconds. Still can't wrap my head around this even though they showed the play again with the clock on screen.

We'll find out what kind of commissioner we have later this week. A message will be sent one way or the other. My own feeling is that he needs to come down as hard as the rules allow.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TBURGESS on July 06, 2025, 01:50:21 PM
What a great finish. Best game of the week by far. BC needs to clean up the penalties and MTL needs to get their starting QB back.

Calling Techno: Can you check when the clock started on the 2nd last play? It looked like it was when VAJ got the ball, not when it started moving on the snap. That would add about a second to the clock which would mean that BC ran out of time.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Blue In BC on July 06, 2025, 03:57:02 PM
Reports of a Lion player Turay trying to enter the Als locker room and a melee breaking out. Punches thrown etc. I wonder what will come out of this situation, depending on how big a brawl it was. Fines at the very least I'd think.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2025, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2025, 01:50:21 PMWhat a great finish. Best game of the week by far. BC needs to clean up the penalties and MTL needs to get their starting QB back.

Calling Techno: Can you check when the clock started on the 2nd last play? It looked like it was when VAJ got the ball, not when it started moving on the snap. That would add about a second to the clock which would mean that BC ran out of time.

That game was a dandy, very impressed with the Als 2 RB's and how they are used, while BC got almost nothing out of Butler. Again, why did they move on from Stanback???

Seemed like a very boisterous crowd, but I swear I heard plenty of horns all game long.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 08:36:51 PM
here is the condensed game - All the plays - replays of the big plays!!

https://youtu.be/rjcYZViI1lg?si=0L01wIvNT44Pf7QT

enjoy
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Jesse on July 06, 2025, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2025, 01:50:21 PMWhat a great finish. Best game of the week by far. BC needs to clean up the penalties and MTL needs to get their starting QB back.

Calling Techno: Can you check when the clock started on the 2nd last play? It looked like it was when VAJ got the ball, not when it started moving on the snap. That would add about a second to the clock which would mean that BC ran out of time.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2025, 08:36:51 PMhere is the condensed game - All the plays - replays of the big plays!!

https://youtu.be/rjcYZViI1lg?si=0L01wIvNT44Pf7QT

enjoy

Wow. That clock did not start until after Rourke already has the ball and was looking around. 4 seconds went by during that play.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Waffler on July 06, 2025, 10:28:04 PM
Last 08 seconds:

https://youtu.be/rjcYZViI1lg?t=2443

From the condensed game as posted by zipp.

Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 06, 2025, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2025, 10:28:04 PMLast 08 seconds:

https://youtu.be/rjcYZViI1lg?t=2443

From the condensed game as posted by zipp.


Wow! BC gifted some time by the timekeeper there.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: The Zipp on July 07, 2025, 11:53:59 PM
Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2025, 11:18:40 PMWow! BC gifted some time by the timekeeper there.

not the home cooking like mom used to make...
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Waffler on July 09, 2025, 09:22:51 PM
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/09/cfl-suspends-b-c-lions-dl-kemoko-turay-following-postgame-brawl/

In a postgame interview with Alouettes reporter Joey Alfieri, Adeyemi-Berglund claimed that Turay made it into Montreal's locker room where he was "screaming profanity" and "throwing punches at coaches and players."

This just seems not true. He made it to the entrance and looked to be going in but that was when he was jumped. It's on the video.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Waffler on July 09, 2025, 09:33:43 PM
Start of fight. Both sides seem to be stretching the truth about what happened.

Happy at least a suspension happened.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: dd on July 09, 2025, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: Waffler on July 09, 2025, 09:33:43 PMStart of fight. Both sides seem to be stretching the truth about what happened.

Happy at least a suspension happened.
Ya, its like the old saying, there's 3 sides to every story, your take, the other guys take, and then the truth!!
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Pete on July 09, 2025, 11:10:59 PM
Cfl needed to send a stronger message personally I don't think one game is enough. AdemiBergland should have been suspended 1 game as well.
 If 1 punch is thrown in a game the player is ejected. As a new commissioner I thought Stewart would want to make more of a statement
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 10, 2025, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: Pete on July 09, 2025, 11:10:59 PMCfl needed to send a stronger message personally I don't think one game is enough. AdemiBergland should have been suspended 1 game as well.
 If 1 punch is thrown in a game the player is ejected. As a new commissioner I thought Stewart would want to make more of a statement


This weeks fines have not been announced yet have they?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Pete on July 10, 2025, 04:09:32 AM
https://3downnation.com/2025/07/09/cfl-suspends-b-c-lions-dl-kemoko-turay-following-postgame-brawl/
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 10, 2025, 07:11:37 AM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2025, 04:04:59 PMSeemed like a very boisterous crowd, but I swear I heard plenty of horns all game long.

Sorry for the delay, all.  Picked the wrong few days to check out of the net!

The horns were not the same annoying (banned) ones, though.  They have the blow-horns like many WPG fans have.  But they also seem to have some other type of horn which has a different tone.  Must be some other (new?) mouth-blown horn.

In any event, it's so much nicer watching MTL games with the ban in place.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 10, 2025, 07:24:08 AM
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2025, 01:50:21 PMCalling Techno: Can you check when the clock started on the 2nd last play?

Glad to oblige (though late).  What seems to have happened was the clock we can see started late, but it also ended late.  It seemed roughly equal.  I'm sure command made sure of this.

As for exact timing, the previous play was incomplete, so clock starts on the snap.

3.01.29.167 snap (first frame with ball movement)
3.01.32.467 down by contact (touches and body hits basically simultaneously)
= 3.3s total time for the play

The "accurate clock" in b&w they show in the corner on the timeout replay showed 3.7s time left.

So them saying 0.2s left is entirely reasonable, since my computer timing shows it as 0.4s.

I think everyone involved got it right.

I'm shocked BC got a play in with 3.7s left on the clock.  A lot of this is luck and the refs spotting the DBC quickly and the clock guy reacting quickly.  But you can't count on it working every time.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 10, 2025, 07:27:13 AM
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2025, 02:07:54 AMOTOH if the defenders don't touch him for a split second the clock would go to zero before they could call the receiver for surrendering as down?

The surrender-stops-the-clock rule was added a couple of years back I think.  So the clock should stop when they give up regardless of what defenders do.

However, you are right in that refs will definitely take longer to acknowledge a surrender vs a DBC.  It could take a whole second longer.

I *think* if MTL hadn't touched him here, and the clock is clearly 0.0, command could still add the 0.2s back on and let them kick.  That said, isn't that similar to what happened in OTT that crazy never-ending game last year, and didn't command say they were going to avoid that?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Waffler on July 10, 2025, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 10, 2025, 07:27:13 AMThe surrender-stops-the-clock rule was added a couple of years back I think.  So the clock should stop when they give up regardless of what defenders do.

However, you are right in that refs will definitely take longer to acknowledge a surrender vs a DBC.  It could take a whole second longer.

I *think* if MTL hadn't touched him here, and the clock is clearly 0.0, command could still add the 0.2s back on and let them kick.  That said, isn't that similar to what happened in OTT that crazy never-ending game last year, and didn't command say they were going to avoid that?


Impressive play by Cottoy that I didn't realize at first. I thought he was taking too long to go down but in fact he knew to dive at a Mtl player. There is a Bomber connection to him knowing this.


"The urgency and timing of that single play were as impressive as anything that B.C. did all night, and Cottoy's keen awareness to lunge toward the defenders to ensure contact when he went down deserves additional praise. In some ways, it felt like vindication for the Lions' overtime loss to Winnipeg back in October 2023, when Dominique Rhymes' failure to grasp a similar situation cost the team a shot at the winning field goal.

Cottoy witnessed that mistake and did exactly what he had to here"

https://3downnation.com/2025/07/06/b-c-lions-undercut-walk-off-win-against-alouettes-with-bad-penalties-shameful-brawl-12-other-thoughts/
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TBURGESS on July 10, 2025, 02:10:52 PM
I wouldn't call it a surrender because the receiver was diving head first. When a QB does that, they don't call him down until he is touched. 

That being said Techno's explanation of the clock makes sense to me. 
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: J5V on July 10, 2025, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 10, 2025, 07:11:37 AMIn any event, it's so much nicer watching MTL games with the ban in place.
I think we're all agreed on that one!
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 11, 2025, 07:12:51 AM
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 10, 2025, 02:10:52 PMI wouldn't call it a surrender because the receiver was diving head first. When a QB does that, they don't call him down until he is touched.

They changed that, too, a couple of years back.  Now any dive/slide, any sort of "going down", by a QB is considered a surrender and the ball *should* be placed right that point they started the surrender.

However, I've noticed the ball spotters often don't know this rule change and still mark the spot as ball progress rather than start-the-surrender.  This irks me to no end.  However, it's kind of a cheat-code for smart QBs/teams to use: your QB should dive to surrender and chances are they'll get progress they shouldn't be entitled to.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TBURGESS on July 11, 2025, 02:06:43 PM
The rule: 
QuoteThe ball carrier is on the ground and, in the judgment of the official, is not attempting to advance the ball, the official shall immediately declare the ball dead.
You're saying that means the sub second that he hits the ground. I don't see it that way. It takes some time to decide if the player is attempting to advance the ball or not. Even .5 of a second means that BC doesn't get the extra play. 
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 11, 2025, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: TBURGESS on July 11, 2025, 02:06:43 PMThe rule: You're saying that means the sub second that he hits the ground. I don't see it that way. It takes some time to decide if the player is attempting to advance the ball or not. Even .5 of a second means that BC doesn't get the extra play.

I agree, football is not a game were a quarter of a second should make a difference as the timing is too imprecise due to the use of human officials and time-keepers.  The small amount of time left on the clock before the snap made the officials react artificially fast and changed the outcome of the game IMO. I propose they remove the milli-second countdown from the time clock.

Trying to squeeze 2 plays in within 4 seconds is an unrealistic request and this decision is going to lead to a host of disputed plays for officials dealing with teams trying to freeze the game with nano-seconds remaining on the clock.  It's going to cause more muddles that the CC will have to intervene to sort out leading to more disputed results.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 12, 2025, 01:13:56 AM
I mostly agree with both.  However, because so many things have to go "right" for that play to work, there's +/- 1 sec by each involved party, and it adds up to a big variable, and big "if", someone can take advantage.

Absolutely everything went right for BC, but no one can rely on that.  In general most teams want 6-9 sec to get that play in.  Didn't we blow one with 11s left once?

I'm pretty sure BC didn't actually expect to complete a play in 3s.  But if it's your only "Hail Mary" shot to win, why not take it?
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 12, 2025, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 12, 2025, 01:13:56 AMI mostly agree with both.  However, because so many things have to go "right" for that play to work, there's +/- 1 sec by each involved party, and it adds up to a big variable, and big "if", someone can take advantage.

Absolutely everything went right for BC, but no one can rely on that.  In general most teams want 6-9 sec to get that play in.  Didn't we blow one with 11s left once?

I'm pretty sure BC didn't actually expect to complete a play in 3s.  But if it's your only "Hail Mary" shot to win, why not take it?

They could have gambled on Sean Whyte making a 56 yd. FG on the previous play, surprised to see they ran a 13 yd. passing play with 3 seconds left on the clock.

Field Goal (Made)1st & 10 at MTL 36
#10 S.Whyte field goal attempt from 43 yards GOOD (H: #17 C.Meyer, LS: #47 K.Nelson), clock 00:00

00:00

Pass (Complete)3rd & 3 at MTL 49
No Huddle-Shotgun #12 N.Rourke pass complete short right to #86 J.Cottoy caught at MTL40, for 13 yards to the MTL36 (#32 T.Mullen), 1ST DOWN

00:03

Strange, looks like Cottoy caught the ball at the 40 but gained 4 more yds. to the Als 36.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 13, 2025, 05:23:46 AM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 12, 2025, 04:48:34 PMStrange, looks like Cottoy caught the ball at the 40 but gained 4 more yds. to the Als 36.

Yup, he caught it ran a couple of strides then dove between 2 defenders.  He's tall so he gets like 2Y just falling forward LOL.
Title: Re: GDT BC at Mtl, Sat July 5, 6:00PM
Post by: TecnoGenius on July 13, 2025, 05:25:31 AM
Interesting to note that in the CGY@SSK game a REC gave himself up and the ref took a whole sec to decide he was surrendering.  So if those MTL DBs hadn't touched Cottoy the clock likely expires.  DBC will always stop the clock sooner than a ref saying "should I blow it surrendered?".