Very short week. Not much time for practice. Didn't see to many injuries against BC. KC86, ND10 both banged up a bit during the game. Can't see BO20 returning on a short week.
no need to rush BO back. keep the momentum going and light them up at home on a Thursday night!!
What happened to Demski?
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 06:05:16 PMWhat happened to Demski?
looked like an ankle. i think he will be fine.
Corcoran time?
Quote from: peg_city on June 22, 2025, 06:28:58 PMCorcoran time?
I was wondering about the same even for last game. Did he get any regular season action yet?
I liked him preseason.
I can see this Bomber defence making life quite miserable for Qb Ford.
We Might see Fajardo.
I can't see Ford having any success passing vs our secondary, so I am thinking Elks game plan will be to run the ball with their RB's and Ford. That said, I don't think they have much success on that either, our team speed on defense is impressive.
Quote from: markf on June 22, 2025, 08:03:49 PMI can see this Bomber defence making life quite miserable for Qb Ford.
We Might see Fajardo.
I think Fajardo will play but not yet. I think Ford gets a long leash. Could be wrong.
I think the bombers lay a lickin on the elks at home and if they do, the elks should put farjardo in in garbage time on the road to give him some semi game reps as if they continue to lose the home crowd , the little that show up, will be in an ugly mood and won't give a roaring rip that they have twin nats on their roster
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 07:52:37 PMI was wondering about the same even for last game. Did he get any regular season action yet?
I liked him preseason.
No Corcoran targets yet. Not sure he even saw the field.
Amazing stab in PS: awesome for us if he can repeat that in reg season!
Quote from: DM83 on June 23, 2025, 12:46:45 AMThe worst players on offense are Collaros and Bryant. The new guard looked very good.
You're always really hard on OL. You pick a new guy to hate every year! First it was Yoshi, then Dobson, now Big Stan?
You do realize the pedigree of Big Stan, right? I think he let 1, maybe 2, guys past him in the last game. No worse than Randolph. Yes, he seems to be more vulnerable to the long way 'round pass rush than years ago. But there's still no other LT I'd want blocking for Zach.
Quote from: dd on June 22, 2025, 08:56:09 PMI can't see Ford having any success passing vs our secondary, so I am thinking Elks game plan will be to run the ball with their RB's and Ford. That said, I don't think they have much success on that either, our team speed on defense is impressive.
The key will be have a spy or semi-spy (we've done this before for him) and contain. A contain strategy may give him more time in the pocket though.
No Brown this season? And Rankin maybe injured? That leaves only Leake, right? That really puts a damper on their run game plans. But we can't get cocky. Last time we did that Brown ripped like 200Y on us.
As good as I feel going into this game short weeks are the worst and the week after this we've got Calgary coming off a bye.
That's two weeks of playing rested and prepared teams and the margin for error will be smaller.
The only way Edmonton beats us is if they can out physical us and run the ball effectively, unlocking just enough for Ford to make some plays. If they can't? No chance. The short week makes that a bit easier for them but I think being that we're still early in the season and at home we should be able to stem the tide.
Edmonton is a big physical football team though and I don't think it's a particularly good short week draw for us.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2025, 09:00:48 AMThe key will be have a spy or semi-spy (we've done this before for him) and contain. A contain strategy may give him more time in the pocket though.
No Brown this season? And Rankin maybe injured? That leaves only Leake, right? That really puts a damper on their run game plans. But we can't get cocky. Last time we did that Brown ripped like 200Y on us.
They just signed another RB (NFL pedigree)
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/22/edmonton-elks-sign-former-carolina-panthers-rb-spencer-brown-to-practice-roster/
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2025, 08:57:08 AMYou're always really hard on OL. You pick a new guy to hate every year! First it was Yoshi, then Dobson, now Big Stan?
You do realize the pedigree of Big Stan, right? I think he let 1, maybe 2, guys past him in the last game. No worse than Randolph. Yes, he seems to be more vulnerable to the long way 'round pass rush than years ago. But there's still no other LT I'd want blocking for Zach.
agree all, to pick on Stan is a stretch. He is nothing but exceptional, even at this age. Yes this isn't peak Stan but he still stands tall LOL.
I think we beat up on EDM, but running QB's have given us trouble for years so I see Ford getting a bunch of yards.
We had a ton of success vs Ford last year by only rushing 4 and keeping contain rather than rushing to get a sack. Make Ford throw the ball and trust our secondary in man coverage.
Did someone suggest that Rankin is injured? Either way I think we an contain their RB's. The issue is whether we can continue to make Ford uneasy while containing him at the same time. He's a danger to run and make a big pass play by extending his time.
Our secondary can cover their receivers if Ford gets outside that's where they have a chance to have a successful play.
All of that, IMO they have no ability to have long multi play drives. They survive on chunk plays on broken plays too often.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 23, 2025, 02:45:41 PMWe had a ton of success vs Ford last year by only rushing 4 and keeping contain rather than rushing to get a sack. Make Ford throw the ball and trust our secondary in man coverage.
exactly. he lobs the ball instead of firing it - even on short passes.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 03:43:24 PMDid someone suggest that Rankin is injured? Either way I think we an contain their RB's. The issue is whether we can continue to make Ford uneasy while containing him at the same time. He's a danger to run and make a big pass play by extending his time.
Our secondary can cover their receivers if Ford gets outside that's where they have a chance to have a successful play.
All of that, IMO they have no ability to have long multi play drives. They survive on chunk plays on broken plays too often.
techno raised the questions if he is hurt (Rankin), must be something going on based on their recent signing (guess).
Quote from: TBURGESS on June 23, 2025, 02:16:00 PMI think we beat up on EDM, but running QB's have given us trouble for years so I see Ford getting a bunch of yards.
I think our LBs will get him this time.
But yes he will get to us a bit, he does this to mostly everyone.
Quote from: TBURGESS on June 23, 2025, 02:16:00 PMI think we beat up on EDM, but running QB's have given us trouble for years so I see Ford getting a bunch of yards.
No problem, if the Bombers put 30 points up on the board, they should win.
Copied from 3rd down that one of the posters made. I'm neither 4 or against his suggestions but they are interesting. Discuss any or all of his thoughts. BTW, Rankin is at practice with 1st team today.
I'd consider making some changes this week with the only dangerous when mobile and improvising ford at QB. Jon Jones would get in. I'd get Mitchell on this week also (something about playing old teams theory) Kyrie can come out. I'd get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center. That's just hilarious honestly. Bryant getting beat isn't cuz of Kolo.
Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not. Cooley looked good. He can stay on. Not sure how you make it all work ratio wise but on would be J Jones, Vanterpool Mitchell. Off would be Kyrie Randolph and prob Sterns. Then you get Bailey on for Weitz cuz backup end is needed desperately with the aging ends we start. I'd consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person. Thomas shouldn't be getting 70 percent of the starters reps either. I'd also, Tony Jones leaves a lot to be desired honestly. I dunno. Yeah tackles but most are after yards gained it seems. I just think he's average. Why not Ayers at Wil J Jones in the middle. Kramdi for ratio purposes. Griffin and the cdn kids backing up.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2025, 09:00:48 AMThe key will be have a spy or semi-spy (we've done this before for him) and contain. A contain strategy may give him more time in the pocket though.
No Brown this season? And Rankin maybe injured? That leaves only Leake, right? That really puts a damper on their run game plans. But we can't get cocky. Last time we did that Brown ripped like 200Y on us.
Kevin Brown re-signed with the Argos just last week after being cut in TC, he reminds me of Stanback in his first few years in the CFL.
Second game of the season for ZC8. Expecting a better outing for him.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 06:02:53 PMCopied from 3rd down that one of the posters made. I'm neither 4 or against his suggestions but they are interesting. Discuss any or all of his thoughts. BTW, Rankin is at practice with 1st team today.
I'd consider making some changes this week with the only dangerous when mobile and improvising ford at QB. Jon Jones would get in. I'd get Mitchell on this week also (something about playing old teams theory) Kyrie can come out. I'd get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center. That's just hilarious honestly. Bryant getting beat isn't cuz of Kolo.
Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not. Cooley looked good. He can stay on. Not sure how you make it all work ratio wise but on would be J Jones, Vanterpool Mitchell. Off would be Kyrie Randolph and prob Sterns. Then you get Bailey on for Weitz cuz backup end is needed desperately with the aging ends we start. I'd consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person. Thomas shouldn't be getting 70 percent of the starters reps either. I'd also, Tony Jones leaves a lot to be desired honestly. I dunno. Yeah tackles but most are after yards gained it seems. I just think he's average. Why not Ayers at Wil J Jones in the middle. Kramdi for ratio purposes. Griffin and the cdn kids backing up.
Short week so yes, Bailey in for Weitz. Mitchell in for Sterns. Lawson missed most of TC, he will see more reps. Leave the OL alone. Jones in for Wilson if he needs a maintenance week. Benching Willy that had to be a joke.
Can't envision a game where Ford throws at least 2 picks if not more...
Hope Tyrell enjoys all this losing!
Edm has a good DL, I look at Hagen to come up with a dynamic offensive game plan.
A Vaval return TD just might happen here.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 23, 2025, 09:31:30 PMCan't envision a game where Ford throws at least 2 picks of not more...
Hope Tyrell enjoys all this losing!
Edm has a good DL, I look at Hagen to come up with a dynamic offensive game plan.
A Vaval return TD just might happen here.
Hogan
Agree Vaval
I think Ford will come around eventually yes he will throw ducks as he learns
Quote from: Pigskin on June 23, 2025, 08:35:51 PMShort week so yes, Bailey in for Weitz. Mitchell in for Sterns. Lawson missed most of TC, he will see more reps. Leave the OL alone. Jones in for Wilson if he needs a maintenance week. Benching Willy that had to be a joke.
I would keep Sterns in. Lawson sure! OL agree. Wilson be fine unless knicked.
Anyone see what Weitz did? He was on ST. I am curious what Bailey can do! Can he play teams? Weitz might have that advantage (guessing).
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2025, 09:44:12 PMHogan
Agree Vaval
I think Ford will come around eventually yes he will throw ducks as he learnsI would keep Sterns in. Lawson sure! OL agree. Wilson be fine unless knicked.
Anyone see what Weitz did? He was on ST. I am curious what Bailey can do! Can he play teams? Weitz might have that advantage (guessing).
I saw Weitz on cover teams and he lined up to the left of centre to block before going downfield. I don't know who he replaced from week 1. I never noticed him near a returner but that doesn't mean he wasn't in his correct lane. It's so hard to evaluate most players on ST's.
It's too bad we don't get depth charts for ST's. I'd like to understand who he replaced and / or why that happened. The only thing that comes to mind is an adjustment losing Benson in the grand scheme of things.
Bailey should be able to play ST's but whether he gets any reps doing that in practice, no one has mentioned. I'd think he's faster than Weitz but he may not be able to " block " at the LOS before running downfield.
The conversation was more about Bailey giving our DE's some rotation being more of a benefit than a player only playing ST's. The coaches seemed very high on him and obviously traded to get him in the draft by moving up.
i would expect minimal changes to the Bomber lineup...one real practice between games. unless someone is hurt - which i didn't see i think they roll with the same lineup
Quote from: Pigskin on June 23, 2025, 08:35:51 PMShort week so yes, Bailey in for Weitz. Mitchell in for Sterns. Lawson missed most of TC, he will see more reps. Leave the OL alone. Jones in for Wilson if he needs a maintenance week. Benching Willy that had to be a joke.
I have some of the same ideas but I'm not expecting any unforced roster changes this week. OTOH, with a short week, adding fresher legs somewhere is not the worst idea I suppose.
Looking at the stats from last week our DB's are making most of the tackles. The Lions didn't run much but that's somewhat of a concern. Parker was our 2nd leading tackler and that suggests things happening further downfield, past the LOS.
Our DL seems to be getting more pressure but aren't getting sacks or even making tackles. I'd like to see more stops at the LOS or even TFL. At the very least less time for QB's to throw. Especially against a slower more mobile QB like Masoli.
Now against Edmonton that's a different problem with Ford's mobility. We'll see if we can maintain pressure and create panic by Ford. Ford is capable of buying more time than Masoli and DB's can't cover forever.
I think J. Jones is faster than Wilson but Wilson has a very high football IQ and he contains the edge very well. That said I do wonder if Jones is not a better option against Ford.
Regardless, I expect another victory. Elks are not a very good team so if we don't make the kinds of mistake the Lions did, we should win by 10+. We also can't let 2 wins go to our heads.
News gets worse for #Elks starting centre David Beard. He has been placed on the 6-game injured list with a calf injury suffered in the loss to the Alouettes last Thursday at home. Mark Korte will move from guard to centre. OL Jaxon Morkin has been activated off the PR. #CFL
I think everyone expects a win given its at home, but playing on the road, the Elks will be loosey goosey, not trying to put on a good show for their fans, so you never know and never take anything for granted.
Quote from: dd on June 23, 2025, 11:24:26 PMI think everyone expects a win given its at home, but playing on the road, the Elks will be loosey goosey, not trying to put on a good show for their fans, so you never know and never take anything for granted.
I have a feeling weather could be a factor, NA weather forecasts look to be somewhat turbulent through to the end of the week.
I believe the Bombers are a better team and should win BUT QB Ford worries me because we have had trouble with mobile QBs. The scramble plays are a problem for all D's as someone already stated you can only cover for so long.
Also uncharacteristically in our 2 games we have taken way too many penalties which can come back and bite you in the butt.
I too would like to see Jones and Bailey play not because I'm unhappy with who they would replace but to see how they do in a real game situation.
Quote from: TBURGESS on June 23, 2025, 02:16:00 PMI think we beat up on EDM, but running QB's have given us trouble for years so I see Ford getting a bunch of yards.
Kramdi and Griffin will be utilized to neutralize that. I can see at least one spy, if not 2... Ford is a threat, but I think we have enough DB's that can make a difference, and if Vuaghters and Willie can contain, Ford will have a looooong day.
Quote from: TrueBlue4 on June 24, 2025, 02:23:55 AMI believe the Bombers are a better team and should win BUT QB Ford worries me because we have had trouble with mobile QBs. The scramble plays are a problem for all D's as someone already stated you can only cover for so long.
Also uncharacteristically in our 2 games we have taken way too many penalties which can come back and bite you in the butt.
I too would like to see Jones and Bailey play not because I'm unhappy with who they would replace but to see how they do in a real game situation.
I would also love to get Jones into the game. Not great options to get him on the AR unfortunately!
Ayers, Griffin, Vaval... Ayers is the best option but it would leave us with only 2 DE's
Quote from: LXTSN on June 24, 2025, 05:27:34 PMI would also love to get Jones into the game. Not great options to get him on the AR unfortunately!
Ayers, Griffin, Vaval... Ayers is the best option but it would leave us with only 2 DE's
Except Ayers is not a DE either. He's listed there on the depth chart for some odd reason.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 24, 2025, 06:10:51 PMExcept Ayers is not a DE either. He's listed there on the depth chart for some odd reason.
cause all the space in the linebackers section of the charts is full...depth charts sometimes are just "suggestions"...
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 24, 2025, 06:10:51 PMExcept Ayers is not a DE either. He's listed there on the depth chart for some odd reason.
He did line up at DE in relief of Willie and Vaughters.
Also, how are we feeling about Vaughters?
Quote from: LXTSN on June 24, 2025, 07:26:10 PMHe did line up at DE in relief of Willie and Vaughters.
That doesn't make him a DE.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 24, 2025, 07:28:47 PMAlso, how are we feeling about Vaughters?
He has given us more pressure off the edge than anyone else since Jeffcoat.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 24, 2025, 07:28:47 PMAlso, how are we feeling about Vaughters?
So far he's meeting team expectations I would think, not spectacular results but in Younger's D the assignments aren't always crystal clear, far different than when the 2 Jeff's mission was to chase the QB on every play.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 24, 2025, 07:28:47 PMAlso, how are we feeling about Vaughters?
Pretty happy - harder to tell given we have only played one team. I think there are going to be games where he absolutely eats up the o-line and has multiple sacks.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 24, 2025, 08:50:19 PMPretty happy - harder to tell given we have only played one team. I think there are going to be games where he absolutely eats up the o-line and has multiple sacks.
One team, that started 4 IMP Oline game one and 3 game 2... with scrambly QB's.
I think he's doing fine and is a good fit.
Sounds like Demski did not practice today, Brady was running around but O'Shea would not confirm whether he was involved or not.
Logan is still not practising. I wonder why they didn't put him on the 6 game IR to start the season. It doesn't sound like he'll be ready anytime soon. It also gives Vaval more time to tighten his grip on the role of returner.
Oliveria and Benson ruled out. Demski as questionable. That might mean Cobb has to be added for depth. Other than that, I'm not expecting any changes.
Leroux played well so I thought he'd be on the AR for at least this week. Benson was DNP so that made the choice easy.
Re who is what on defence
I watched the condensed game at B.C.
Vaughters played left end, right end, and tackle.
(Or should I say "edge" lol .)
Didn't watch anyone else. Line of scrimmage it's somewhat hard to see anything actually so many players converging.I did see Willie downfield on one play.
It does seem like the two ends are pretty focussed on containing qb escapes.
Easier to see....39 Smith... special teams, makes a lot of plays.
Quote from: markf on June 24, 2025, 09:57:41 PMRe who is what on defence
I watched the condensed game at B.C.
Vaughters played left end, right end, and tackle.
Didn't watch anyone else. Line of scrimmage it's somewhat hard to see anything actually so many players converging can see half a number....
Easier to see....39 Smith... special teams, makes a lot of plays.
Lots of players coming in and going out. It is hard to see who is where or why or when. Strong side and weak side adjustments come into play.
Smith is going to be a good one.
Injury report
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 10:34:40 PMOur DL seems to be getting more pressure but aren't getting sacks or even making tackles. I'd like to see more stops at the LOS or even TFL. At the very least less time for QB's to throw. Especially against a slower more mobile QB like Masoli.
You've been a fan of Hall/Younger long enough to know, Mafia doesn't care about sacks. It's all about pressure and getting the QB off their mark. So many WFC people have said or hinted this. My fave are Willie's pressers and mid-/post-games, especially near season's end. "Relentless pressure" is his favorite go to line. Never sacks, never once are sacks mentioned by anyone.
It's basically ingrained in the Bombers' D DNA now, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 10:34:40 PMI think J. Jones is faster than Wilson but Wilson has a very high football IQ and he contains the edge very well. That said I do wonder if Jones is not a better option against Ford.
Wilson has been doing very well. Making plays, making disruption. He hasn't shown he's any slower than '21.
You also know that Mafia tends to stick to the status quo when it comes to the ultra-vets (continuity, loyalty, what have you). They may not decide on Jones for a look-see "just because", even if he's faster and it makes logical sense.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 10:21:12 PMIt's too bad we don't get depth charts for ST's. I'd like to understand who he replaced and / or why that happened. The only thing that comes to mind is an adjustment losing Benson in the grand scheme of things.
I would love that too! We really never get any info as to how the ST coverage is structured. We can infer things about lanes and waves by watching things unfold, and we all know about "gunners". But we don't actually
know.
I think it would be great if TSN could get a ST specialist on the panel. Of course, the best ones are rare and infrequent: Arakgi, Mike Miller. I'd love to learn about the ST like Lapo teaches us about O on TSN.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 06:02:53 PMI'd get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center.
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Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not.
Randolph has the seniority, Vanterpool has shown nothing at OT. Randolph let through about as many pressures as Stan. Randolph takes plays off?? Give me some game times to look at then, I have no idea what you're talking about! A DE can take plays off, but not an OT!
If anything, where is Lofton on his recovery? I'm sure it's still his spot.
BC has very fast DEs, does EDM? Or are they more power guys? We may fare better against power guys.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 06:02:53 PMI'd consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person.
Did you spend time on East Hastings before posting this? You know full well Willie will never sit out. Well, maybe if he goes and gets ejected again! But that wouldn't be due to performance issues.
If you're just saying what you
want, then back it up with reasons. No problem with an opinion, however nuts.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2025, 08:49:30 AMYou've been a fan of Hall/Younger long enough to know, Mafia doesn't care about sacks. It's all about pressure and getting the QB off their mark. So many WFC people have said or hinted this. My fave are Willie's pressers and mid-/post-games, especially near season's end. "Relentless pressure" is his favorite go to line. Never sacks, never once are sacks mentioned by anyone.
It's basically ingrained in the Bombers' D DNA now, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Wilson has been doing very well. Making plays, making disruption. He hasn't shown he's any slower than '21.
You also know that Mafia tends to stick to the status quo when it comes to the ultra-vets (continuity, loyalty, what have you). They may not decide on Jones for a look-see "just because", even if he's faster and it makes logical sense.
Nothing says both can't be true about the DL getting pressure and more sacks. I think we will see more of that as they get used to playing together more and familiar with Younger's concepts.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2025, 09:02:48 AMRandolph has the seniority, Vanterpool has shown nothing at OT. Randolph let through about as many pressures as Stan. Randolph takes plays off?? Give me some game times to look at then, I have no idea what you're talking about! A DE can take plays off, but not an OT!
If anything, where is Lofton on his recovery? I'm sure it's still his spot.
BC has very fast DEs, does EDM? Or are they more power guys? We may fare better against power guys.
Did you spend time on East Hastings before posting this? You know full well Willie will never sit out. Well, maybe if he goes and gets ejected again! But that wouldn't be due to performance issues.
If you're just saying what you want, then back it up with reasons. No problem with an opinion, however nuts.
I didn't say that. There was a quote from 3rd Down that said that that I referenced.
Read the 1st line of post 22 where I said that I neither agreed or disagreed with the original poster. Just that it was interesting and could be discussed further.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2025, 09:02:48 AMRandolph has the seniority, Vanterpool has shown nothing at OT. Randolph let through about as many pressures as Stan. Randolph takes plays off?? Give me some game times to look at then, I have no idea what you're talking about! A DE can take plays off, but not an OT!
If anything, where is Lofton on his recovery? I'm sure it's still his spot.
BC has very fast DEs, does EDM? Or are they more power guys? We may fare better against power guys.
Did you spend time on East Hastings before posting this? You know full well Willie will never sit out. Well, maybe if he goes and gets ejected again! But that wouldn't be due to performance issues.
If you're just saying what you want, then back it up with reasons. No problem with an opinion, however nuts.
Randolph doesn't have seniority, but he does seem to be the first choice.
I said this after week one, but there's no reason to arbitrarily mess with the OL when they've been so successful. Had to make a ratio move for week 2, but certainly no reason to swap out Randolph just because.
Same thing for the DL. The D has carried us for 2 games. But let's swap out the team leader. The other site is so dumb sometimes. They build up these narratives in their heads and argue everything from these accepted points that don't have any evidence of being true.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 24, 2025, 05:27:34 PMI would also love to get Jones into the game. Not great options to get him on the AR unfortunately!
Ayers, Griffin, Vaval... Ayers is the best option but it would leave us with only 2 DE's
Rethinking this a little...
IN
Bailey (global)
Jones
OUT
Wietz (global)
Ayers
Quote from: LXTSN on June 25, 2025, 03:09:52 PMRethinking this a little...
IN
Bailey (global)
Jones
OUT
Wietz (global)
Ayers
I'd agree those would be good options.
Ayers is not a DE, that's just a place they show him on the depth chart. Bailey is a rush end type, so either way it doesn't impact that change even with Ayers shown as an edge player at times. We didn't trade up to get him for no good reason.
Also of note that J.Jones is being paid quite well to be sitting on the bench. His stats show he is effective on both defence and on ST's. So switching him for Ayers shouldn't be that big an issue.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 25, 2025, 03:28:24 PMI'd agree those would be good options.
Ayers is not a DE, that's just a place they show him on the depth chart. Bailey is a rush end type, so either way it doesn't impact that change even with Ayers shown as an edge player at times. We didn't trade up to get him for no good reason.
Also of note that J.Jones is being paid quite well to be sitting on the bench. His stats show he is effective on both defence and on ST's. So switching him for Ayers shouldn't be that big an issue.
Does that mean that the Bombers value Ayers higher than JJ?
I don't really see what the Bombers see in Wietz also. He looks really slow when he's given the chance. I'd much rather see Bailey in the lineup regardless of the other roster move.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 25, 2025, 08:54:02 PMDoes that mean that the Bombers value Ayers higher than JJ?
I don't really see what the Bombers see in Wietz also. He looks really slow when he's given the chance. I'd much rather see Bailey in the lineup regardless of the other roster move.
It's hard to say but Ayers is on the roster and J. Jones is not. Obviously he was seen as a valuable addition in free agency. He got a lot of play in pre season and started many games in Toronto.
J. Jones might still be adapting to a new system while Ayers is a 2nd year player in Winnipeg. We also drafted 3 LB's this year so there is a significant level of depth at the position. He signed a 1 year deal for $120.5K which is only $3K more than T. Jones but he's on a 2 year deal. No info on how much K. Wilson earns.
Loyalty, performance are all in play. At this point it's only a surprise and it's good to have that depth. Many have reported that J. Jones is a better coverage LB than T. Jones. I have noticed T. Jones in pursuit a few times in the 2 games. OTOH, there are lots of factors that may result in that.
As has been mentioned the team was so intrigued by Bailey they traded up to get him. Weitz is another 2nd year player so again he has an initial edge. How long that lasts is a TBD.
I would have made both those changes. Status quo is not always the best decision. O'Shea is loyal to his veterans. That's both a positive but can also be a negative. I guess we'll see what happens in the long run. Injuries may dictate.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 25, 2025, 01:02:32 PMI didn't say that. There was a quote from 3rd Down that said that that I referenced
Ah, I see! Good to know you didn't visit Hastings. Next time maybe use the quote feature in the toolbar to put the pasted text in a quote bubble. Looks like I wasn't the only one who was confused!
As for the OP on the "other place", that dude needs to lay off whatever it is he's on.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 26, 2025, 06:05:19 AMAh, I see! Good to know you didn't visit Hastings. Next time maybe use the quote feature in the toolbar to put the pasted text in a quote bubble. Looks like I wasn't the only one who was confused!
As for the OP on the "other place", that dude needs to lay off whatever it is he's on.
Fair enough. I don't usually make a quote reference from the other site and wasn't sure how to do that exactly. It was just something interesting and not all of it was out in the twilight zone.