Game 2 in the home and home series with BC. Zach is back! Time to wrap up the series with a win in BC!
Ed Tait's 24-Hour Primer is here...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/06/19/48-hour-primer-demskis-ascent/
"...Demski's two TDs last week gives him 38 as a Blue Bomber and moved him past Tom Casey and Darvin Adams and into a tie with Jim Washington for the 13th most in franchise history (Milt Stegall is first at 147; Jeff Boyd holds down the 10th spot at 47 and next closest to Demski is Perry Tuttle at 41).
And last week he moved past Gerald Wilcox into 11th spot on the Blue Bombers all-time receiving yardage list at 4,612 — just 56 yards back from passing Adams and moving into the Top 10.
"That is cool. That is very cool," said Demski when told of these numbers by bluebombers.com this week. "This is a city I grew up in and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers were my team. So, to be moving into ranks like that with those names means a lot.
"I don't pay close attention to that stuff, but I obviously know who No. 1 is — Milt Stegall — and I know Joe Pop (Poplawski) and James Murphy, big #21, is up there. But I don't look at it much. That's the stuff I'll look at when my career is over but to be moving into a Top 10 is pretty **** cool...."
Depth Chart will be released tomorrow.
Injuries
Fairly significant development that Kornelson has displaced Schmekel in the starting lineup, he must be showing well to make such a move, I expected him to end up on the PR. Should consider trading Schmeck to Sask. if he's already been surpassed.
Super excited for Saturday.
I expect Zach to come out arm blazing. Also whether it be Peterson or the shuttle bus likely be a great running game.
We expected BO and Benson to be out. How long they're are out we'll find out tomorrow. Clercius being questionable is not going to help.
There are already 3 changes expected because of Collaros returning. It's possible we see 2 - 4 other changes with the domino effect.
It's going to be interesting finding out. Either way, I think we'll defeat the Lions that have their own issues with injuries. Berryhill is out in Vancouver and it doesn't appear Rourke will play either.
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Winnipeg Blue Bombers to dress preseason star Quinton Cooley vs. B.C. Lions with Oliveira out
By John Hodge -June 20, 2025
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have set their roster for Saturday's game against the B.C. Lions in Vancouver.
Brady Oliveira, the CFL's reigning Most Outstanding Player, has officially been moved to the one-game injured list with a shoulder injury. Matthew Peterson, who ripped off 130 yards and a touchdown as his in-game replacement last week, is listed as the starting running back on Saturday, though rookie Quinton Cooley has been promoted from the practice roster to dress in a backup role.
Cooley was a standout during the preseason, rushing 13 times for 92 yards and catching three passes for 45 in back-to-back matchups against the Saskatchewan Roughriders. He also proved to he a punishing lead blocker despite standing only five-foot-seven.
The 220-pound ball-carrier was twice named first-team All-Conference USA at Liberty University, an NCAA Division I program located in Lynchburg, Va. He ran for 2,655 yards and 29 touchdowns over 25 games with the Flames, averaging 6.2 yards per carry.
The Blue Bombers have also made a change along the offensive line, starting Gabe Wallace at left guard. The former second-round CFL draft pick out of the University at Buffalo dressed for 12 games as a rookie in 2024 but this will be his first career start. Micah Vanterpool, an American out of the University of Hawaii, started at left guard last week but has been moved to the one-game injured list as a healthy scratch.
With franchise quarterback Zach Collaros returning from his one-game suspension, rookie Chase Artopoeus has been moved to the practice roster. CFL teams can only carry three quarterbacks on the active roster on game days. Chris Streveler started in place of Collaros last week and led the Blue Bombers to a 34-20 win over B.C. at Princess Auto Stadium, throwing for 246 yards, three touchdowns, and one interception.
Global linebacker Fabian Weitz will dress after being a healthy scratch last week. The 27-year-old native of Germany recorded one special teams tackle over seven games in 2024. The only other change to the active roster this week for Winnipeg is Laval Université product Ian Leroux coming on as the long snapper in place of Mike Benson, who has been moved to the one-game injured list.
The Blue Bombers currently have seven players on the one-game injured list, including Oliveira, running back Peyton Logan, receiver Dillon Mitchell, Vanterpool, defensive lineman Tanner Schmekel, linebacker Jonathan Jones, and Benson. Only three of those players — Oliveira, Logan, and Benson — are actually hurt. Teams are permitted to stash healthy players on the one-game injured list as their earnings still count against the salary cap.
Defensive lineman Jamal Woods, who was a healthy scratch last week, has been moved to the six-game injured list with a knee injury.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (1-0) will visit the B.C. Lions (1-1) at BC Place Stadium on Saturday, June 21 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/20/winnipeg-blue-bombers-to-dress-preseason-star-quinton-cooley-vs-b-c-lions-with-oliveira-out/
We added another lb? Says a lot about what they think of Munier Bailey.
After rewatching the last game I can see why Ayers was kept on but to me weakening the oline is a mistake
To me Sterns would have been better with adding Cobb vs Weitz
Quote from: Pete on June 20, 2025, 02:54:33 PMWe added another lb? Says a lot about what they think of Munier Bailey.
After rewatching the last game I can see why Ayers was kept on but to me weakening the oline is a mistake
To me Sterns would have been better with adding Cobb vs Weitz
I like the feeling of safety that a 7th offensive lineman provides lol. You have an injury there and now Eli is playing guard or you're making two changes and then Thomas is switching jerseys. O'Shea and team definitely know best but I would have kept Vanterpool somehow, just preference.
The one very smart thing this does is that Cooley and Peterson can change as much as we want and the ratio stays in tact (we don't need to swap receivers when he's on the field.) That's the benefit from Wallace at LG.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 20, 2025, 03:59:12 PMI like the feeling of safety that a 7th offensive lineman provides lol. You have an injury there and now Eli is playing guard or you're making two changes and then Thomas is switching jerseys. O'Shea and team definitely know best but I would have kept Vanterpool somehow, just preference.
The one very smart thing this does is that Cooley and Peterson can change as much as we want and the ratio stays in tact (we don't need to swap receivers when he's on the field.) That's the benefit from Wallace at LG.
I don't understand Weitz instead of Bailey as the global choice. In theory we were very high on Bailey and he can't even beat out another LB choice or even another Canadian like Cobb as receiver depth.
How did Woods go from healthy scratch to 6 game IR? Did he get hurt in practice this week? Unfortunate.
Ok. So Cooley is on the AR but now we only have a 6th OL. That's not good. I would have expected Vibert to be added even though inexperienced.
Weakening the OL is risky. I'm not quite sure how they will use Cooley since he isn't starting although he could now based on the ratio moving out Vanterpool.
I didn't think they'd make these choices. I understand we need depth at RB but this seems like a high price to pay in the ratio to add a RB that isn't starting.
Will we see him on the field at the same time as Peterson? That would mean an actual receiver coming off. I suppose it could be an advantage in shorter yardage plays.
The jury will be out to see how things unfold. OTOH, if the expectation is that BO is out for 2 - 4 weeks then this is somewhat of a forced issue. Two RB's that are rookies but look to have upside.
I might be considering trading to get Augustine back if BO is going to be out longer term. That maintains the ratio.
Weitz instead of Bailey is probably simply the organization's evaluation of both players and it's pretty in line with how they do things.
Weitz was here last year (the Bombers first round pick in last year's global draft it should be reminded) and Bailey is in that year of seasoning that the team loves to put Canadians and Globals through. Seems reasonable that Weitz would be further along, no?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 04:36:42 PMI don't understand Weitz instead of Bailey as the global choice. In theory we were very high on Bailey and he can't even beat out another LB choice or even another Canadian like Cobb as receiver depth.
How did Woods go from healthy scratch to 6 game IR? Did he get hurt in practice this week? Unfortunate.
Ok. So Cooley is on the AR but now we only have a 6th OL. That's not good. I would have expected Vibert to be added even though inexperienced.
Weakening the OL is risky. I'm not quite sure how they will use Cooley since he isn't starting although he could now based on the ratio moving out Vanterpool.
I didn't think they'd make these choices. I understand we need depth at RB but this seems like a high price to pay in the ratio to add a RB that isn't starting.
Will we see him on the field at the same time as Peterson? That would mean an actual receiver coming off. I suppose it could be an advantage in shorter yardage plays.
The jury will be out to see how things unfold. OTOH, if the expectation is that BO is out for 2 - 4 weeks then this is somewhat of a forced issue. Two RB's that are rookies but look to have upside.
I might be considering trading to get Augustine back if BO is going to be out longer term. That maintains the ratio.
Hopefully they give Cooley plenty of playing time, it's a rare opportunity to get him into the lineup and it's what everyone wants to see. If he stands on the sidelines all game, I'll be bitterly disappointed in O'Shea's decision. Going to win either way, let's see what he's got.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 20, 2025, 04:52:24 PMHopefully they give Cooley plenty of playing time, it's a rare opportunity to get him into the lineup and it's what everyone wants to see. If he stands on the sidelines all game, I'll be bitterly disappointed in O'Shea's decision. Going to win either way, let's see what he's got.
That's kind of the issue with how well Peterson performed last week. I don't think we'll see a large number of plays with both on the field. If Peterson keeps getting 5+ yards a carry do we shuffle him in and out to test Cooley?
Wallace starting changes the jumbo option and we're down to Eli for depth. As long as we don't have an injury but it does change our offence options with the OL and protection.
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Masoli officially announced as starter tomorrow for BC.
With Rourke designated as the # 3 QB, it forces a change on their OL to sustain the ratio. They also will be missing Berryhill and others.
I don't know if we've downgraded our OL with Wallace starting over Vanterpool. That potentially impacts risk to Collaros as well as run blocking.
Regardless of who or how, we need to show a strong run game. I'd like to see a near 200 yard game rushing. Obviously that is an exception run game achievement. In a perfect world both RB's get equal reps and yardage. However we know a strong run game is important. Whether it's one or the other and Collaros gets time to pass, we'll be fine.
At the moment it's a TBD. I think with Masoli starting we win TOP and field position. We did with Rourke starting so I expect more of the same.
Business as usual. Show up and petal to the metal.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 04:55:56 PMThat's kind of the issue with how well Peterson performed last week. I don't think we'll see a large number of plays with both on the field. If Peterson keeps getting 5+ yards a carry do we shuffle him in and out to test Cooley?
Wallace starting changes the jumbo option and we're down to Eli for depth. As long as we don't have an injury but it does change our offence options with the OL and protection.
I don't expect to see 2 RB's on the field at the same time unless that's a twist Hogan intended to implement this season. Rotating Cooley and Peterson would be my expectation, as many CFL teams are already doing this.
Game Preview - Winnipeg @ BC June 21, 2025...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/06/20/game-preview-wpg-at-bc-4/
Game 2: Blue Bombers (1-0) at Lions (1-1)
Kickoff: Saturday, June 21st, 6 p.m. CDT; B.C. Place, Vancouver
TV/Streaming: TSN 1/3, CTV, CBS SportsNetwork; CFL+
Radio: 680 CJOB (pre-game begins at 4 p.m. CDT); Play-by-play: Derek Taylor/analyst: Doug Brown; Sirius XM (ch. 167)
THE LINEUP: The Blue Bombers have made four changes to this week's lineup from last week. On are QB Zach Collaros, RB Quinton Cooley, LS Ian Leroux and LB Fabian Weitz. Off are RB Brady Oliveira, QB Chase Artopoeus, LS Mike Benson and OL Micah Vanterpool. Oliveira, Benson and Vanterpool all move to the one-game injured list. Gabe Wallace starts at right guard for Vanterpool.
This will mark the first CFL start for Peterson, who was so effective in relief of Oliveira last week and mark the first games for Cooley and Leroux.
What I expected the lineup to be. Weitz hasn't been very productive, so I would have been okay with Bailey. Leroux was drafted as our future at LS now he gets his chance.
Weitz shows promise and can rotate on LB which we are very deep on and we like to show different looks
I like the flexibility of this group and will be a pillar of strength for us for years to come
I like the lineup decisions
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 20, 2025, 06:18:19 PMI don't expect to see 2 RB's on the field at the same time unless that's a twist Hogan intended to implement this season. Rotating Cooley and Peterson would be my expectation, as many CFL teams are already doing this.
I don't expect that we see 2 RB sets either. Bombers don't do that when Oliveria is healthy. Yes other teams do that but they don't have a top RB like we do.
Again the question is how much will we rotate two unknowns and how much of a down grade did will we have to our OL.
Perhaps the OL is close to the best we can field although depth and jumbo have taken a hit. I got the impression the team is confidant that both RB choices can block.
If Peterson starting getting 5+ yards a carry I don't see us rotating much. OTOH, if we have difficulty running early then we will but would Cooley have more success?
I don't know the answer to any of that but it's a series of questions beyond winning and losing the game.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 20, 2025, 07:01:05 PMWeitz shows promise and can rotate on LB which we are very deep on and we like to show different looks
I like the flexibility of this group and will be a pillar of strength for us for years to come
I like the lineup decisions
I'm not so sure he's shown promise. He's way down the depth chart with all the talent we have at LB. He may be great player but he's not really one filling a position of need at the moment.
With a couple of Canadian players not 100% in Neufeld and Clercius, I would have preferred adding Vibert or Cobb as additional depth.
I'm not sure Weitz even sees the field much on ST's?? I guess if we don't incur OL or receiver injuries we should be ok.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 07:21:04 PMI don't expect that we see 2 RB sets either. Bombers don't do that when Oliveria is healthy. Yes other teams do that but they don't have a top RB like we do.
Again the question is how much will we rotate two unknowns and how much of a down grade did will we have to our OL.
Perhaps the OL is close to the best we can field although depth and jumbo have taken a hit. I got the impression the team is confidant that both RB choices can block.
If Peterson starting getting 5+ yards a carry I don't see us rotating much. OTOH, if we have difficulty running early then we will but would Cooley have more success?
I don't know the answer to any of that but it's a series of questions beyond winning and losing the game.
It's all good, we'll see what they do. I guess anytime Cooley comes on for Peterson, Eli will have to accompany him with an import receiver coming off, probably Sterns or Wheatfall.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 20, 2025, 07:30:06 PMIt's all good, we'll see what they do. I guess anytime Cooley comes on for Peterson, Eli will have to accompany him with an import receiver coming off, probably Sterns or Wheatfall.
Or Cocoran can replace Sterns
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 20, 2025, 07:30:06 PMIt's all good, we'll see what they do. I guess anytime Cooley comes on for Peterson, Eli will have to accompany him with an import receiver coming off, probably Sterns or Wheatfall.
I dont think so, with Wallace in he effectively replaces Olivera in the lineup as the 7th cdn, so Petersen isnt included, and he and Cooley can sub freely
Quote from: Pete on June 20, 2025, 07:42:52 PMI dont think so, with Wallace in he effectively replaces Olivera in the lineup as the 7th cdn, so Petersen isnt included, and he and Cooley can sub freely
Correct - this is totally the plan.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 07:25:00 PMI'm not so sure he's shown promise. He's way down the depth chart with all the talent we have at LB. He may be great player but he's not really one filling a position of need at the moment.
With a couple of Canadian players not 100% in Neufeld and Clercius, I would have preferred adding Vibert or Cobb as additional depth.
I'm not sure Weitz even sees the field much on ST's?? I guess if we don't incur OL or receiver injuries we should be ok.
Has shown enough to make the roster and stick around as a depth guy. Obviously the team likes him enough and sees promise and so do I. This club values continuity and everyone on the roster plays and contributes. Time will tell but hopefully another depth piece that we can continue to develop. Trust the mafia, I do. Maybe we will get a blurb from MOS on him at some point.
Dressed for 7 games last year. Team must like what they see.
Correct at bottom of depth chart.
If anyone see the reps he gets chime in after the game. I'll forget to watch for him lol.
B.C. Lions name QB Jeremiah Masoli starter, Nathan Rourke game-time decision vs. Bombers
By 3Down Staff -June 20, 2025
The B.C. Lions have officially named quarterback Jeremiah Masoli the starter for Saturday's rematch with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
The 36-year-old, who signed with the Lions this offseason, was seven-of-10 passing for 84 yards and an interception in relief last week. He started three games for the Ottawa Redblacks last season, throwing for 1,149 yards, five touchdowns, and seven interceptions and rushing six times for 42 yards. He went 1-2 as a starter with a win over Calgary and losses to Saskatchewan and Montreal.
Masoli has appeared in 133 career CFL games with the Lions, Redblacks, and Hamilton Tiger-Cats, throwing for 17,908 yards, 87 touchdowns, and 62 interceptions.
Canadian starter Nathan Rourke, who went down last week with an oblique injury that caused him to miss two days of practice, is listed as a game-time decision. Whether or not he is actually healthy enough to play, he'll have to serve as the team's third-stringer behind Masoli and Chase Brice due to the Lions not having more than three quarterbacks under contract.
With Rourke out, Canadian offensive lineman Tyler Packer will step in at right guard to fulfill the ratio requirement. American Chris Schleuger, who had started the first two games of the season, will be a healthy scratch.
B.C. will be without the services of speedy American receiver Stanley Berryhill III, who has been placed on the one-game injured list after tweaking his thigh in practice. Rookie Jermaine Jackson returns to the lineup after a one-week absence to take his spot in the starting lineup, while fellow newcomer Seven McGee will make his debut handling return duties.
Defensively, the big change is veteran American defensive end Sione Teuhema making his return to the lineup after a two-game suspension for violating the league's performance-enhancing drug policy. In 49 career games, he has recorded 96 defensive tackles and 22 sacks.
Making their Lions debuts in a depth capacity are Canadian linebacker Adam Auclair, who battled a shoulder injury through training camp, and American nickel Tyler Coyle. Defensive end Jalil Clemons and linebacker Devin Richardson have been returned to the practice roster, while Canadian receiver Kieran Poissant has been placed on the one-game injured list with a thigh injury.
The B.C. Lions (1-1) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (1-0) at BC Place Stadium on Saturday, June 21 with kickoff slated for 7:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/20/b-c-lions-name-qb-jeremiah-masoli-starter-nathan-rourke-game-time-decision-vs-bombers/
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I am just catching up on all things CFL as it was a long extended trip down south so have not posted much. However in looking at the BC OL what happen to the guy that was playing right guard that was with the Bombers for a few years and was the BC starter last year? Sorry could not remember his name.
Great to finally be back up North - Brazil does not carry much news about the CFL!
Quote from: BBRT on June 20, 2025, 09:46:59 PMI am just catching up on all things CFL as it was a long extended trip down south so have not posted much. However in looking at the BC OL what happen to the guy that was playing right guard that was with the Bombers for a few years and was the BC starter last year? Sorry could not remember his name.
Great to finally be back up North - Brazil does not carry much news about the CFL!
Sukh Chungh? Is not playing in the league this year. No announcement on why or why not.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 20, 2025, 09:53:03 PMSukh Chungh? Is not playing in the league this year. No announcement on why or why not.
Many Thanks! Could not remember his name! If we ever get any players on the Bombers that speak Portuguese let me know! I have spent the better part of 2 years now in the wilds of Southern Brazil (Parana) and have had to learned the language to at least a conversational extent!
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 20, 2025, 07:55:39 PMHas shown enough to make the roster and stick around as a depth guy. Obviously the team likes him enough and sees promise and so do I. This club values continuity and everyone on the roster plays and contributes. Time will tell but hopefully another depth piece that we can continue to develop. Trust the mafia, I do. Maybe we will get a blurb from MOS on him at some point.
Dressed for 7 games last year. Team must like what they see.
Correct at bottom of depth chart.
If anyone see the reps he gets chime in after the game. I'll forget to watch for him lol.
You might be the only poster that thinks he was the best choice option. Like I said we didn't need another LB but Clercius is nicked and our depth at receiver is a bit thin.
If Peterson balls like last week, best believe we will be pounding it all night long and will get good value out of Cooley to spell him and keep 'er rolling.
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 20, 2025, 10:23:12 PMIf Peterson balls like last week, best believe we will be pounding it all night long and will get good value out of Cooley to spell him and keep 'er rolling.
I don't know if Peterson will have another game like last week. If he does, then it will be like having Oliveria playing and not sending in Augustine in the past. Keep with what is working so to speak.
If and when Cooley get in he shows all the hype was correct and he rips off a 50 yarder. Both Peterson and Cooley seem to be quick fast and slippery so I think we'll see a great run game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 10:36:23 PMI don't know if Peterson will have another game like last week. If he does, then it will be like having Oliveria playing and not sending in Augustine in the past. Keep with what is working so to speak.
If and when Cooley get in he shows all the hype was correct and he rips off a 50 yarder. Both Peterson and Cooley seem to be quick fast and slippery so I think we'll see a great run game.
I suppose you're probably right, but also throw in the mix that we also will want to see Cooley play I would think.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 10:36:23 PMI don't know if Peterson will have another game like last week. If he does, then it will be like having Oliveria playing and not sending in Augustine in the past. Keep with what is working so to speak.
If and when Cooley get in he shows all the hype was correct and he rips off a 50 yarder. Both Peterson and Cooley seem to be quick fast and slippery so I think we'll see a great run game.
Peterson is also 25 lbs lighter than Brady. Not every back can take every carry.
Quote from: Jesse on June 20, 2025, 11:07:16 PMPeterson is also 25 lbs lighter than Brady. Not every back can take every carry.
Totally. Some people seem ready to put Peterson up there with the great backs after one game where he came off the bench. It looked good but we should pump the breaks. He was traded for very little and Hamilton gets paid to evaluate too. I'm hopeful but I expect Cooley to be the better back pretty easily.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 20, 2025, 11:31:12 PMTotally. Some people seem ready to put Peterson up there with the great backs after one game where he came off the bench. It looked good but we should pump the breaks. He was traded for very little and Hamilton gets paid to evaluate too. I'm hopeful but I expect Cooley to be the better back pretty easily.
He was part of the deal with Bailey but also tied into the deal Goveia made for Samson, Ti-Cats are not starting a Natl RB this season so he wouldn't get the opportunity to play much with them. Good deal all around.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 20, 2025, 11:31:12 PMTotally. Some people seem ready to put Peterson up there with the great backs after one game where he came off the bench. It looked good but we should pump the breaks. He was traded for very little and Hamilton gets paid to evaluate too. I'm hopeful but I expect Cooley to be the better back pretty easily.
And some haven't done that with Cooley who hasn't taken a snap in a regular season game? Cooley is 2" shorter and 7 lbs lighter. Not much difference.
I hope he gets some reps and shows well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 10:36:23 PMI don't know if Peterson will have another game like last week. If he does, then it will be like having Oliveria playing and not sending in Augustine in the past. Keep with what is working so to speak.
If and when Cooley get in he shows all the hype was correct and he rips off a 50 yarder. Both Peterson and Cooley seem to be quick fast and slippery so I think we'll see a great run game.
I think he can!! He is a physical back who reads the field well, I m thinking he goes over 100 yds easy.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 20, 2025, 11:31:12 PMTotally. Some people seem ready to put Peterson up there with the great backs after one game where he came off the bench. It looked good but we should pump the breaks. He was traded for very little and Hamilton gets paid to evaluate too. I'm hopeful but I expect Cooley to be the better back pretty easily.
True, the O-line provided huge holes for him to run through, it might be a different result against teams that plug the gaps like the Argos did in the GC, even Brady struggles in those situations.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 20, 2025, 09:53:03 PMSukh Chungh? Is not playing in the league this year. No announcement on why or why not.
Chungh started all last season, in BC. He looked like he was getting miffed at the incompetence and losingness of that team late last season.
They just didn't re-sign him and no one else did in FA. That means he's asking way too much for a (now) normal-tier NAT OG. I think he's holding out for injuries and a big mid-season payday.
Quote from: Pete on June 20, 2025, 07:42:52 PMI dont think so, with Wallace in he effectively replaces Olivera in the lineup as the 7th cdn, so Petersen isnt included, and he and Cooley can sub freely
Yup, we'll be back to starting 8 NAT, and if Cooley isn't a DI he can come on whenever. However, who knows who is the non-DI IMP since those designations are Super Ceral Secret that cannot be revealed to plebes lest the Coca Cola formula leak out.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 20, 2025, 06:18:19 PMI don't expect to see 2 RB's on the field at the same time unless that's a twist Hogan intended to implement this season.
If it was Buck, then we 100% would not see a 2-back set. However, Hogan seems far more open to "weird" ideas, as we've already seen in game 1. Thus, why not thrown in one special scheme just for poops and giggles? Might happen.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 04:36:42 PMI don't understand Weitz instead of Bailey as the global choice. In theory we were very high on Bailey and he can't even beat out another LB choice or even another Canadian like Cobb as receiver depth.
I don't follow the GLOB situation much, and don't care too much either. But I know that MOS generally knows what he is doing, so there's a reason for this.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 04:36:42 PMOk. So Cooley is on the AR but now we only have a 6th OL. That's not good. I would have expected Vibert to be added even though inexperienced.
<does little "I called it" dance>
The only big surprise is Cooley in a backup position on the chart
for no reason, because we're starting 8 NATs. This could be because arguably Peterson earned the "start" because of last week. So:
1) It could just be for show and Cooley gets most snaps.
2) It could be we play Peterson unless/until BC shuts him down.
3) In any event I'd expect Cooley to get some garbage-time snaps if we can.
I don't really see us doing a 2024 TOR/CGY rotate-the-backs thing. We don't do that. I think we try to find the hot hand and then roll with it.
As for OL, I think we did go 1-2 games last season with only 6 OL. Every time I held my breath all game. It limits our jumbo, but Ike is still there. 6th + FB is enough for most of our schemes.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 04:36:42 PMI didn't think they'd make these choices. I understand we need depth at RB but this seems like a high price to pay in the ratio to add a RB that isn't starting.
But it's not. WPG under Mafia is a run-first team. RBs often get injured, whether just for 3 snaps or for the rest of the game. WPG absolutely cannot be left without a legit decent RB (meaning Ike doesn't count). Imagine non-mobile Zach vs a D that knows they can pass-rush at will?
So if you know the above, and you know the history that we nearly always dress 2 RBs, and we've even shown this exact look before with McCrae or Flanders, then you should not be surprised at all.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 04:36:42 PMI might be considering trading to get Augustine back if BO is going to be out longer term. That maintains the ratio.
We didn't do that before, won't do it now. We find ways to get our decent IMP RB dressed and just roll with that. It's nice to see some different looks and schemes anyhow. Doesn't hurt that our backup IMP RB
might be the second coming.
Interview with Matthew Peterson...
Didn't they laud Cooley and his blocking ability? I'd guess he's also rostered to spell Peterson on mainly passing plays.
I hope we see a decent split on running plays though, I want to see what they both can do.
But the flipside is how do we put one on the PR if they both succeed?
Quote from: BomberFan73 on June 21, 2025, 11:25:54 AMDidn't they laud Cooley and his blocking ability? I'd guess he's also rostered to spell Peterson on mainly passing plays.
I hope we see a decent split on running plays though, I want to see what they both can do.
But the flipside is how do we put one on the PR if they both succeed?
MOS was very complimentary of Cooley after the preseason. A reporter tried to say that it would be tough to keep him around with how we use our ratio and his response was something like: Not at all. A guy like that, you find a way to keep him around.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on June 21, 2025, 11:25:54 AMDidn't they laud Cooley and his blocking ability? I'd guess he's also rostered to spell Peterson on mainly passing plays.
I hope we see a decent split on running plays though, I want to see what they both can do.
But the flipside is how do we put one on the PR if they both succeed?
He was reported to block very well. If both play well Cooley could be moved to 1 game IR when Oliveria returns. That said, teams have their own back up RB's and don't steal from other teams PR's.
Hopefully he has some skills as a receiver out of the backfield.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 04:53:24 AMI don't follow the GLOB situation much, and don't care too much either. But I know that MOS generally knows what he is doing, so there's a reason for this.
<does little "I called it" dance>
The only big surprise is Cooley in a backup position on the chart for no reason, because we're starting 8 NATs. This could be because arguably Peterson earned the "start" because of last week. So:
1) It could just be for show and Cooley gets most snaps.
2) It could be we play Peterson unless/until BC shuts him down.
3) In any event I'd expect Cooley to get some garbage-time snaps if we can.
I don't really see us doing a 2024 TOR/CGY rotate-the-backs thing. We don't do that. I think we try to find the hot hand and then roll with it.
As for OL, I think we did go 1-2 games last season with only 6 OL. Every time I held my breath all game. It limits our jumbo, but Ike is still there. 6th + FB is enough for most of our schemes.
But it's not. WPG under Mafia is a run-first team. RBs often get injured, whether just for 3 snaps or for the rest of the game. WPG absolutely cannot be left without a legit decent RB (meaning Ike doesn't count). Imagine non-mobile Zach vs a D that knows they can pass-rush at will?
So if you know the above, and you know the history that we nearly always dress 2 RBs, and we've even shown this exact look before with McCrae or Flanders, then you should not be surprised at all.
We didn't do that before, won't do it now. We find ways to get our decent IMP RB dressed and just roll with that. It's nice to see some different looks and schemes anyhow. Doesn't hurt that our backup IMP RB might be the second coming.
You should learn more about the global aspect of the roster. MOS was impressed by Bailey and he is potentially a player that can rotate at DE. Our current depth chart shows only Ayers as the back up DE. Weitz has only played 7 games but as a LB. I'm not sure he'll play ST's.
The choice to add a 2nd global comes at the cost of a Canadian back up. With Wallace starting we may or may not have degraded the strength of the OL. OTOH we have changed the jumbo package. Neufeld was nicked and GTD last week. If the OL survives and plays well then all is good but we're one problem from starting Eli and having Thomas as the emergency OL.
Clercius had injury problems this week so adding Cobb would have been another reasonable choice instead of a 2nd global.
I don't know that Wallace is a downgrade on the OL compared to Vanterpool. If he is then Collaros is at risk and we may not see the open run lanes we had last week.
Peterson ran the ball 23 times for 150 yards. We only need a back up if he's injured so that's a risk in not having a back up. That's the same as when BO is healthy.
Having an import RB was easier last year when we were starting 9 - 10 Canadians. So it's not the same issue.
If we don't have any injuries we should be ok but overall depth at more than RB is my concern.
Last week. If we had an injury at OT, I would think Vanterpool slides out to T and Wallace comes in at LG. That's another depth option we lost this week. Obviously if we don't have an injury on the OL it's only a rhetorical statement.
I'm just pointing out what the cost of taking Vanterpool off the roster might be. Depth at RB is also very important and I'm not disputing that. OTOH it's all about whether we end up needing that depth or not.
The same is true about depth at DE. That doesn't reflect the decision to add Cooley and falls more on whether Bailey might have been preferable to adding Weitz. Even without an injury we don't really have the ability to have anyone rotate in to keep them fresh for the entire game. We'd probably end up using some 3 man DL more often than we might have intended.
Roster decisions are a chess game and each choice comes with pros and cons.
My fingers will be crossed that we don't sustain any injuries but that is true every game. There will always be some injuries we can fill more easily in game than others. I've pointed out where we would really struggle.
Just win the game. At worst if we lose, then lose by less than 14 points to win series with the Lions.It's early but it's a 4 point game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 10:13:24 PMYou might be the only poster that thinks he was the best choice option. Like I said we didn't need another LB but Clercius is nicked and our depth at receiver is a bit thin.
I said I liked the lineup decisions (I meant in general all of them)
I said he has shown promise
I never said he was the best choice option, sounds like you are making things up to suit your narrative
I don't mind have a lot of LBs
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 02:45:32 PMI said I liked the lineup decisions (I meant in general all of them)
I said he has shown promise
I never said he was the best choice option, sounds like you are making things up to suit your narrative
I don't mind have a lot of LBs
That's not close to what I said. I don't mind having lots of LB's. I said I don't like not having any depth at DE and why Bailey would have been a more useful option. I also mentioned why a Canadian like Vibert or Cobb might have had more depth value at the moment. Every roster decision is a specific moment in time with specific needs.
Since we drafted 3 LB's this year, having a global LB is not particularly effective. Nearly any other position might provide better depth elsewhere. Karamoko as a DB for example in 2024. Whether Weitz has shown promise as a LB is somewhat moot. Do we need 11 LB's when we only have 2 DE'S??
That's not my narrative, that's a simple math question. I've explained the choices and reasoning in full. That's beyond you just saying he has promise which is significantly debatable with limited action in 2024.
He hasn't been particularly used on ST's in the past. I don't know he will be used on ST's this week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 21, 2025, 03:03:54 PMThat's not close to what I said. I don't mind having lots of LB's. I said I don't like not having any depth at DE and why Bailey would have been a more useful option. I also mentioned why a Canadian like Vibert or Cobb might have had more depth value at the moment. Every roster decision is a specific moment in time with specific needs.
Since we drafted 3 LB's this year, having a global LB is not particularly effective. Nearly any other position might provide better depth elsewhere. Karamoko as a DB for example in 2024. Whether Weitz has shown promise as a LB is somewhat moot. Do we need 11 LB's when we only have 2 DE'S??
That's not my narrative, that's a simple math question. I've explained the choices and reasoning in full. That's beyond you just saying he has promise which is significantly debatable with limited action in 2024.
He hasn't been particularly used on ST's in the past. I don't know he will be used on ST's this week.
Agree up for debate if he was shown promise, I have argued he must have shown enough promise to play last year, make the team again and start. I trust the mafia on this one.
The mention of your narrative was simply in direct response to you saying that I thought Weitz was the best choice, which I didn't say and its puzzling where you came up with that. That was my point, looks like you missed that. I also wanted to repeat what I said previously to ensure there my no confusion on my position. I would appreciate it if you stopped posting things that you claim I said which I didn't.
I also think Bailey is a good option. Vibert and Cobb the same.
As I mentioned I like being overloaded on LBs. We will use them. Yes some more depth at receiver, DE and OL are viable options we might explore. The team values extreme depth at LB which is a formula that has worked well in the past and I expect it to continue. We are developing all this talent here, which will serve us well in years to come and helps with flexibility of looks on D, which is a pillar of our system.
I am interested in how many reps Weitz gets on D and ST. You make some great points and have some good content to share. Suggesting that I said he was the best option isn't true that's why I replied to you, I wasn't challeging your positon on the matter and I didn't state anything else about what you said. We on the same page regarding the viability of other roster options. I think these players will get game action throughout the season. Agree roster decisions are fluid and change. This week they valued an extra Db for the matchup against BC. 2nd year players are more game ready and they fit in the way we roster our club.
Let's leave it at that. Thanks for sharing your opinion on the subject. A great debate!
I hope all our PR seeing action! Helps evaluate and develop.
You said you liked the lineup decisions. That's saying those were either the best or even good decisions. Now saying your weren't saying it was the best decision is a waffle.
Keep in mind that most teams only have a choice of 2 globals to add to their AR instead of a Canadian. Last year we had a 2nd global added option BECAUSE we had so many injuries to our Canadian depth. In that sense our only option was between 2 global players on the PR. Giving credit to any or all because they got to play is a thin line.
Karamoko played in 5 games and had 2 ST's and we didn't even bother to re-sign him.
IMO Weitz will see no reps on defence this week. He has to be behind all our Canadian LB's.
Interesting comments about having and developing so many LB's. While that isn't a problem per se, the problem is that we have failed in the past couple of years to have good depth on the DL. To that end, no pressure with QB's having too many time to throw.
We added Vaughters in 2025 but depth is invisible at the moment. As mentioned Ayers is shown on the depth chart at DE. That is laughable
I just saw the stats from last game...
Other than a few plays, the Bomber defence shut down the BC offence. No run game, no passing game.
How can Buck/Masoli do better?
Our defense played extremely well for the first game of the season, and their impact on the game cannot be understated. They played lights out. Can they repeat that, not sure, but I am hoping they bring the same intensity to the left coast. Lions will be ready for revenge
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 21, 2025, 03:58:35 PMInteresting comments about having and developing so many LB's. While that isn't a problem per se, the problem is that we have failed in the past couple of years to have good depth on the DL. To that end, no pressure with QB's having too many time to throw.
We added Vaughters in 2025 but depth is invisible at the moment. As mentioned Ayers is shown on the depth chart at DE. That is laughable
Not sure about this, the 2 DE's on the PR are depth, plus Woods on the 6 game, best of all they have 4 Natl. DT's that could start if needed. If you're talking about the game day roster, you might have a valid point, but Younger had so many LB's chasing Rourke in game #1 he never knew which angle they were coming from.
Quote from: DM83 on June 21, 2025, 02:35:09 PMDemski is a class act. He lets his play do the talking. Rarely gets hurt. Just a real football player.
100% former RB with sweet hands. I want to see a formation once or twice today with Demski Peterson Cooley Chris-Ike and Strev all in the backfield at once. Then just run the sh-t out of that thing.
Quote from: Doublezero on June 21, 2025, 04:36:19 PM100% former RB with sweet hands. I want to see a formation once or twice today with Demski Peterson Cooley Chris-Ike and Strev all in the backfield at once. Then just run the sh-t out of that thing.
That sounds terrible, lol.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 21, 2025, 04:27:23 PMNot sure about this, the 2 DE's on the PR are depth, plus Woods on the 6 game, best of all they have 4 Natl. DT's that could start if needed. If you're talking about the game day roster, you might have a valid point, but Younger had so many LB's chasing Rourke in game #1 he never knew which angle they were coming from.
Yes I'm talking about game day roster. Yes we'll have LB's coming at Masoli all game and he'll be forced into mistakes. The issue is like any depth issue. If one of our DE's goes down for any amount of time, then what?
In that sense it's the same question about adding Cooley as depth at RB. If we have an injury to Peterson or he isn't doing well you need depth. Otherwise not so much.
I'm not expecting an injury to one of our DE's but I didn't expect BO to be injured in the 1st 4 minutes last week.
Roster size, ratio and depth are just part of the game.
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2025, 04:13:10 PMOur defense played extremely well for the first game of the season, and their impact on the game cannot be understated. They played lights out. Can they repeat that, not sure, but I am hoping they bring the same intensity to the left coast. Lions will be ready for revenge
Agree the formula is working!!!
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 21, 2025, 03:58:35 PMYou said you liked the lineup decisions. That's saying those were either the best or even good decisions. Now saying your weren't saying it was the best decision is a waffle.
Keep in mind that most teams only have a choice of 2 globals to add to their AR instead of a Canadian. Last year we had a 2nd global added option BECAUSE we had so many injuries to our Canadian depth. In that sense our only option was between 2 global players on the PR. Giving credit to any or all because they got to play is a thin line.
Karamoko played in 5 games and had 2 ST's and we didn't even bother to re-sign him.
IMO Weitz will see no reps on defence this week. He has to be behind all our Canadian LB's.
Interesting comments about having and developing so many LB's. While that isn't a problem per se, the problem is that we have failed in the past couple of years to have good depth on the DL. To that end, no pressure with QB's having too many time to throw.
We added Vaughters in 2025 but depth is invisible at the moment. As mentioned Ayers is shown on the depth chart at DE. That is laughable
I said I liked the lineup decisions. That was a reflection of the entire roster not one player. There was no waffle cone involved.
Agree we need to develop more on the DL, the guys we developed left this year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 20, 2025, 10:13:24 PMYou might be the only poster that thinks he was the best choice option. Like I said we didn't need another LB but Clercius is nicked and our depth at receiver is a bit thin.
This is what you claimed I said, which I never did. I never claimed Weinz was the best option. Just stated my general opinion of the roster decisions as a whole.
As I asked nicely earlier, please do not post about things I said that are not true. It adds nothing to the debate and isn't factual.
Karamoko didn't show enough to be retained. I thought he had developmental potential but I don't know enough about his game to really have a strong opinion.
I have no ideals how many reps Weitz will get, hopefully someone with a keen eye will spot him live or on a rewatch
Quote from: Jesse on June 21, 2025, 04:45:30 PMThat sounds terrible, lol.
Agree
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 05:52:44 PMI said I liked the lineup decisions. That was a reflection of the entire roster not one player. There was no waffle cone involved.
This is what you claimed I said, which I never did. I never claimed Weinz was the best option. Just stated my general opinion of the roster decisions as a whole.
As I asked nicely earlier, please do not post about things I said that are not true. It adds nothing to the debate and isn't factual.
Agree
Sounds like waffle to me. IHOP has your reservation waiting.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 21, 2025, 06:05:18 PMSounds like waffle to me. IHOP has your reservation waiting.
Reported, as I asked twice and now a third time please do not post things on here that I didn't say.
I never said what you said I did. Can't waffle cone on something I didn't say. Please can we focus on football and drop this. I value your opinion on here and trying to keep the peace. Let's debate football please.
I already had my pancakes and sausage lol
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 06:09:56 PMReported, as I asked twice and now a third time please do not post things on here that I didn't say.
I never said what you said I did. Can't waffle cone on something you didn't do. Please can we focus on football and drop this.
Is there a quota on the number of times you can report people for non reportable offenses in one week?
Give us all a break. My seven year old shows more resolve.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2025, 06:20:47 PMIs there a quota on the number of times you can report people for non reportable offenses in one week?
Give us all a break. My seven year old shows more resolve.
It's funny and sad all at the same time. Every debate requires an explanation of a given position, not just a rubber stamp. All of us debate positions we take and most detail their reasoning beyond I have faith in the coaches etc etc.
There have been a bunch of debates regarding Cooley as an option this week as an example. In favour and not in favour arguments have been well supported by both sides by most. Even though I was more opposed than some, I can't disagree with what they said and their logic.
I expect we'll continue these conversations with hindsight post game. Like I said, I still hope Cooley plays a significant part in a successful game. OTOH, I hope Peterson has 25 carries and runs for 150 yards and there is no need for Cooley as an injury replacement.
I'm more concerned about possible issues with the OL depth but we've been able to stay healthy more often than not.
Quote from: DM83 on June 21, 2025, 06:35:17 PMAny concerns about Zac 2025. He didn't play well last year. It seemed his intermediate game is disappearing. He was dink and dunk last year, and his deep balls are short and then turn into jump balls.
BCs defense didn't look stout vs. the run. And I have never liked their secondary as a scary group.
All in all it should be a good game due to the state of affairs regarding injuries and replacements.
Anyone else concerned about Zac's declining skills?
Sure. That applies to every player as they age. It's never quite that simple though. We suffered injuries to receivers and some of this falls onto the OC not adapting to changes in ability of QB's and everyone on offence. A few have mentioned that Bryant 2024 was not Bryant 2021. Well, duh that goes without saying.
This year for Collaros 1st game we're missing our starting RB and have 2 new starting receivers form 2024.
I think we'll be ok, but lots of new things to consider including a new OC.
Quote from: DM83 on June 21, 2025, 06:35:17 PMAny concerns about Zac 2025. He didn't play well last year. It seemed his intermediate game is disappearing. He was dink and dunk last year, and his deep balls are short and then turn into jump balls.
BCs defense didn't look stout vs. the run. And I have never liked their secondary as a scary group.
All in all it should be a good game due to the state of affairs regarding injuries and replacements.
Anyone else concerned about Zac's declining skills?
No concerns
I don't believe his medium to long passing is a problem
He had a number of deep passes last year but not a great year
We had injuries like other have stated
Zach showed well in preseason
Our offense was not dink and dunk last year imo
Run game key today, agree should be holes
Quote from: DM83 on June 21, 2025, 06:35:17 PMAny concerns about Zac 2025. He didn't play well last year. It seemed his intermediate game is disappearing. He was dink and dunk last year, and his deep balls are short and then turn into jump balls.
BCs defense didn't look stout vs. the run. And I have never liked their secondary as a scary group.
All in all it should be a good game due to the state of affairs regarding injuries and replacements.
Anyone else concerned about Zac's declining skills?
My only concern is how he will perform in the playoffs as his past performances have been sub-standard.
But, a game in BC at the start of the season? I think Zach will have a great game today.
Quote from: gobombersgo on June 21, 2025, 07:10:46 PMMy only concern is how he will perform in the playoffs as his past performances have been sub-standard.
But, a game in BC at the start of the season? I think Zach will have a great game today.
Agree needs to be better at the big show
I see the keys to this are:
1. Healthy and strong OL
2. Strong Run game
3. Good balanced play calling
4. Deep threat at receiver and everyone gets touches
Agree I see a strong game today
Nice cool day, air quality is good, but the humidity is about 90%. Kids are pumped to get to the game.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 21, 2025, 07:57:37 PMNice cool day, air quality is good, but the humidity is about 90%. Kids are pumped to get to the game.
Going to be a big crowd? Let us know if anything special at the food vendors!
Quote from: Pigskin on June 21, 2025, 07:57:37 PMNice cool day, air quality is good, but the humidity is about 90%. Kids are pumped to get to the game.
Lots of smoke in Winnipeg today. I'm sure it would be a concern if the game was in the Peg tonight.
Quote from: gobombersgo on June 21, 2025, 08:14:29 PMLots of smoke in Winnipeg today. I'm sure it would be a concern if the game was in the Peg tonight.
Sure would be see attached
Quote from: Pigskin on June 21, 2025, 07:57:37 PMNice cool day, air quality is good, but the humidity is about 90%. Kids are pumped to get to the game.
Dome going to be closed?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 21, 2025, 09:17:07 PMDome going to be closed?
Yes. It was raining all morning so I can't see it being open. I haven't heard much about what the attendance will be at this point.
Quote from: gobombersgo on June 21, 2025, 08:14:29 PMLots of smoke in Winnipeg today. I'm sure it would be a concern if the game was in the Peg tonight.
I think it would start as planned. It is not that bad in the south.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 21, 2025, 07:57:37 PMNice cool day, air quality is good, but the humidity is about 90%. Kids are pumped to get to the game.
I would Be to!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 21, 2025, 10:30:02 PMI think it would start as planned. It is not that bad in the south.
Disagree
League won't play at this air quality level
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Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 21, 2025, 10:30:02 PMI think it would start as planned. It is not that bad in the south.
It's getting worse. I did yardwork all morning without noticing a thing, but when I took the kids to a splash pad in the afternoon, it was very smokey.
Quote from: Jesse on June 21, 2025, 10:41:51 PMIt's getting worse. I did yardwork all morning without noticing a thing, but when I took the kids to a splash pad in the afternoon, it was very smokey.
Got worse in Whiteshell too
Was fine this AM
Those that are sensitive or have medical issues can build this to clean air effectively
Use merv 13 filters costs about $150
I built two, work well
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BC is missing Snoop tonight
Ok. Win and win big. Don't let the Leos have any hope or momentum. Score 1st and never look back.
BC focusing on the run, big time. Leaving the other options more open.
Zach slightly weak arm on that one wide hitch screen to Wheatie.
So we already got the answer as to whether it's really Cooley or Peterson "starting" tonight. We'll roll with Peterson for the mean time it seems.
Love the 2nd effort by Wheatie to get the 1st down on that catch. That's why we won last week. We always got that extra 1-2Y to convert or sneak.
Hehe, Strev just following Wallace's butt on the sneak. Always follow the biggest guy.
Nice play
Terrible place to take that penalty
Nice throw and catch and run
OMG that is the weakest holding call I've ever seen. He had inside leverage! Can that be challenged? I don't think so?
I'm not sure I've ever seen that called. Refs jonesing for BC already?
Love the Strev-stays-in plan. Let's shed all the dumb stuff Buck did and use the tools we have.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:21:43 PMOMG that is the weakest holding call I've ever seen. He had inside leverage! Can that be challenged? I don't think so?
That was a penalty imo
Zach looking very sharp to start '25. That was slick. Back to his favorite synergistic target.
Zach = money
On a freaking dime
Old man still got it
83 nice catch and amazing route
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 11:22:10 PMThat was a penalty imo
Why? Because of the "tackle"? Dude was falling down by himself. These things happen every play and no one flags anything.
Now if the carrier was going on his other side, so he's actually yanking the DB, ok fine. But the carrier went inside and Clercius was located in exactly the right place. I don't care if the DB falls down or not.
Look at the crazy stuff they let slide on the KR TD in TOR last night! Far more egregious than this nothingburger.
Offence just looks better than last year.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:25:36 PMWhy? Because of the "tackle"? Dude was falling down by himself. These things happen every play and no one flags anything.
Now if the carrier was going on his other side, so he's actually yanking the DB, ok fine. But the carrier went inside and Clercius was located in exactly the right place. I don't care if the DB falls down or not.
Look at the crazy stuff they let slide on the KR TD in TOR last night! Far more egregious than this nothingburger.
Holding on every play imo
With refs on that one
Quote from: Jesse on June 21, 2025, 11:27:15 PMOffence just looks better than last year.
Listening to Jarious work with the QBs after they come off, on the sidelines, he looks like he's really adding value here. We lose the Buck experience and gain the Jarious.
Solid tackle by Holm on a far bigger guy.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 11:29:15 PMHolding on every play imo
With refs on that one
You should see all the chicanery that goes on inside the box on up-the-gut runs!
Is BC desperate going for it on 3rd & 2 at the C? Or do they not respect our D? That's the only 2 options.
Wow, Holm is basically attached to McInnis today. No way slow McInnis will ever outrun him.
not enjoying being picked apart in the secondary by Masoli
Holm bad coverage
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 11:32:06 PMnot enjoying being picked apart in the secondary by Masoli
It's zone. He's smart enough to eat our zone. Stick to match coverage like we were.
I guess we are mixing things up though.
Why does BC insist on their starting QB being the SY guy? Especially multiple-knee-injury Masoli.
work on the tackling boys!! not bringing mcinnis down with that weak stuff
Bonds bad wiff
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:33:09 PMIt was zone. Open by design.
Zone yes Holm could have read the play and closed the gap imo
Nit picking a bit lol
BC is doing the TOR GC-winning dink & dunk scheme. Which is one of the only ways to beat us.
Has Younger/Hall come up with solutions to defeat it?
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 11:35:56 PMZone yes Holm could have read the play and closed the gap imo
Nit picking a bit lol
We're relying on DL to get pressure and so far we have zero pressure on Masoli.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:35:59 PMBC is doing the TOR GC-winning dink & dunk scheme. Which is one of the only ways to beat us.
Has Younger/Hall come up with solutions to defeat it?
Yes we dressed 40 lbs lol
Nichols mmmmoney
Playing with fire a bit but the pressure looks have been most effective so far by far on defense.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:36:44 PMWe're relying on DL to get pressure and so far we have zero pressure on Masoli.
We will get there
Agree
Why are all the BC REC like 6'4?
Tackle their legs/feet.
Great play by Nichols in match. Just like Holm earlier. Some say we have the best HBs in the league. I think they're right.
2 drives and the quarter is done
needed to stop that 3 and 2
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2025, 11:37:43 PMPlaying with fire a bit but the pressure looks have been most effective so far by far on defense.
We've gotten close a couple of times, but always with blitz. Masoli is experienced and smart enough to attack the weakened zone when we do that.
It may require getting home this week to actually affect him.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:39:34 PMWe've gotten close a couple of times, but always with blitz. Masoli is experienced and smart enough to attack the weakened zone when we do that.
It may require getting home this week to actually affect him.
I am pretty sure his QBR would be 0 into blitz looks in the first quarter but okay.
Still 0
gotta make that pick - shucks
Phew! That looked like it was going to be one of those fluke tipped catches that seem to bite us regularly.
Great D play. Sniffed out the screen even though we brought mega heat.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:38:10 PMWhy are all the BC REC like 6'4?
Tackle their legs/feet.
Great play by Nichols in match. Just like Holm earlier. Some say we have the best HBs in the league. I think they're right.
#1d darn right
Peterson looks good...
22 is a super beast
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2025, 11:40:17 PMI am pretty sure his QBR would be 0 into blitz looks in the first quarter but okay.
You saying every blitz we made led to Masoli incomplete? Then how did they drive the whole field over 8 mins? They just wait until we don't blitz on 2nd and get the conversion?
I guess you could be right. Need to analyze. Hope Hall is furiously taking notes up in the booth.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 11:43:59 PMYou saying every blitz we made led to Masoli incomplete? Then how did they drive the whole field over 8 mins? They just wait until we don't blitz on 2nd and get the conversion?
I guess you could be right. Need to analyze. Hope Hall is furiously taking notes up in the booth.
I'm sure you'll do your deep dive but Masoli has been largely ineffective on pressure looks in the first quarter yes.
Nice deep ball, was close
Zero issue with Zach's arm
looked Pi ish to me
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 11:46:25 PMlooked Pi ish to me
Needed Sterns to jump through earlier. Wasn't far off.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 11:45:06 PMNice deep ball, was close
Underthrown again. Zach needs to release earlier. Everything needs to be moved up by 5-10Y. Can't believe we're still having this issue. Have to hit him 40-45Y downfield from Zach's launch, not 50-60.
Sterns should have stopped on a dime and gotten plowed over. That's how you draw the DPI on those. You need to decide to stop trying to catch and instead getting the flag.
Amazing 55Yer in dead-air BC Place. Had enough for 59 maybe. I wonder if Castillo could have made the '17 61 Yer?
Nice play against the blitz there
BC being very balanced with the run game today. Totally not like them at all. Maybe we didn't come in thinking BC would run?
Edit: haha, now BC will be abandoning the run game!
#1 d
gonna be close - i saw backwards
That's a lateral baby
Edit: I guess you guys are right and pressure is crumbling Masoli
That's backwards to this Bombers fan.
Parker did well there to score
Clean pickup
Nice play
Looks easy but many bobble that
that's why i don't like that offensive play at all
So far, this Defence is better than last season's D.
Offences don't know what Younger is doing from one play to the next.
On Bonfire pregame Walby quoted Willie saying vaughters reminds him of Jeffcoat.
It's good to see Masoli playing, and looks like he has recovered well from the dirty Riders inflicted injury.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 11:52:54 PMthat's why i don't like that offensive play at all
The hitch screen? Normally you're supposed to throw it ahead by a couple of yards, not backwards!
Pretty sure it was a desperation I'm-being-sacked dump pass.
Wow duck was served but wasn't eaten
If we got a pick 6 there it's game over
Bonds drops 6. Urgh.
Weitz sighting on previous ST play
Didn't. Didn't make a play.
Griffen beast
Best D in the land been that way for half a decade
Hall and Younger will go down as one of the best coaching combos in Bomber history
Our D is playing next level/super intense and tight coverage, and its only 2nd game of the year. Keep er going boys!!
Sterns looks more comfortable
BC managing to stop Peterson on 1st down about half the time.
Our OL is playing EXCEPTIONALLY good so far. <knocks wood>
Wow is this game going fast. Drives are clock-chewing.
Too bad we have to punt though
clersius looked a bit off after that play
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:01:05 AMBC managing to stop Peterson on 1st down about half the time.
Our OL is playing EXCEPTIONALLY good so far. <knocks wood>
They figured out run D so far mostly
We will get to them by 4th Q
We will wear em down and then Cooley then to death lol
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 12:02:54 AMclersius looked a bit off after that play
Ya, but probably nothing, maybe tweaked ankle. Must not be fun getting thrown around like that.
Quote from: markf on June 21, 2025, 11:53:43 PMIt's good to see Masoli playing, and looks like he has recovered well from the dirty Riders inflicted injury.
Ya, I'm always a Masoli fan, just not today when he plays us. I'm not sure there's any player in the CFL that doesn't like the guy. He's vastly improved this game after getting 1st team reps in practice all week.
3 min warning already. Let's try to keep them out of the EZ before the half, unlike last week.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:05:31 AMYa, I'm always a Masoli fan, just not today when he plays us. I'm not sure there's any player in the CFL that doesn't like the guy. He's vastly improved this game after getting 1st team reps in practice all week.
3 min warning already. Let's try to keep them out of the EZ before the half, unlike last week.
Agree Masoli deserves some respect for his longevity and ability to claw his way back after the injury
Clercius was a bit banged up earlier this week.
He's got 14 yards receiving which means he's only 16.44 away from matching Wolitarsky's career average (for those who are keeping score at home).
Kramdi nice stop
Sure has become a key cog on this team
Loved this guy from the start
Happy to see we were patient with him
Some were a little hard on him when he was developing
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:07:17 AMClercius was a bit banged up earlier this week.
He's got 14 yards receiving which means he's only 16.44 away from matching Wolitarsky's career average (for those who are keeping score at home).
LOL
UGH.
Underthrown deep shot.
does not have the arm for that
I'll eat a little crow on Zach
That was an airball
Horrible throw and horrible decision.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 11:46:25 PMlooked Pi ish to me
Yup. DB ran over the reciever and didn't allow him to come back to the ball. Surprised Osh didn't challenge that one.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 12:10:55 AMdoes not have the arm for that
He does, execution / timing / arm angle / launch point was off.
Quote from: Jesse on June 22, 2025, 12:10:55 AMUGH.
Underthrown deep shot.
Jarious or someone needs to step in and make sure the routes don't require more than 45Y from launch point.
He doesn't have the arm for it anymore. And it doesn't matter, just throw earlier when the REC is closer!
it was the right time for demski just under thrown
Bonds looks lights out
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:12:04 AMJarious or someone needs to step in and make sure the routes don't require more than 45Y from launch point.
He doesn't have the arm for it anymore. And it doesn't matter, just throw earlier when the REC is closer!
A terrible idea
Deep ball is critical
It will come
Adjustments as needed yes, no really deep bombs, I'm fully against that
That said terrible throw, bad decision on that one
Game one give it time
Outstanding punt!!!!!
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 12:11:55 AMHe does, execution was off.
He doesn't. I often measure Zach's deep balls, especially on Hail Marys or super deep tries. He really has to give it his all to get 50. I would keep most balls within 40-45Y.
Yes, that limits some of the routes because some double moves need more steamboats. Maybe the stop & go routes would be more effective.
run the ball. intermediate throws and the odd 35 yard passes - we good
Hard to say overall but Gabe Wallace looks great on run plays. Guy's a monster.
darn. needed a first down
Peterson didn't see the wide open B-gap on the delayed draw. Forced the A-gap that wasn't there. That probably was 10Y right there. Darn.
Pretty good punt by Sheahan.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:14:47 AMHard to say overall but Gabe Wallace looks great on run plays. Guy's a monster.
Wallace has been 100% on pass pro too. So far... Very good news for us if this holds up!
parker game
good heat
Parker ain't loosing his job this year
Lawson with the smack
Now we see why Mafia kept Parker, eh? He's had 2 great games now.
Holy smokes, you guys are right, Lawson and Fatboi are nearly indistinguishable.
End of this quarter is the first time it's apparent we've got a brand new playcaller.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:14:15 AMHe doesn't. I often measure Zach's deep balls, especially on Hail Marys or super deep tries. He really has to give it his all to get 50. I would keep most balls within 40-45Y.
Yes, that limits some of the routes because some double moves need more steamboats. Maybe the stop & go routes would be more effective.
Most balls yes
Some super deep yes
Both Big Stan and Randolph blew it on that sack. Looked like Zach was waiting for another deep shot! Meh, take the short game here. Not imperative we get points.
lame lame lame
hate that play call to kneel it out
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:18:22 AMNow we see why Mafia kept Parker, eh? He's had 2 great games now.
Holy smokes, you guys are right, Lawson and Fatboi are nearly indistinguishable.
Yup trust the mafia
Old guys still got game
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 12:19:27 AMlame lame lame
hate that play call to kneel it out
Disagree, there is a time and place for it
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:18:32 AMEnd of this quarter is the first time it's apparent we've got a brand new playcaller.
Disagree that was evident last game and in preseason
That said I like what I see here
Procedure on victory. Now I've seen it all! There's no way they can get the ball, just end the half.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:21:21 AMProcedure on victory. Now I've seen it all! There's no way they can get the ball, just end the half.
Lol yes kinda funny
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 12:20:59 AMDisagree that was evident last game and in preseason
It's the first time he's made a few mistakes, Sherlock.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:22:38 AMIt's the first time he's made a few mistakes, Sherlock.
My bad I thought you meant his style of play calling vs. buck. No need to bite the head off, Ozzy lol.
It appears intact.
P.S. Our OL has been great (except that last sack), and that's against a very strong BC DL, especially with drug-positive Tehuma. With Tavi, Hendrix, Betts that's one great line.
Wallace holding his own. Wasn't even the cause of the sack.
Chez still doing the hoodie-under-sport-coat thing. No idea what that's about!
So I'd say Peterson started strong, great 1st Q, but then slowed down and started getting stuffed.
Should we start Cooley in 2nd H? I'm pretty sure all of us fans want to see what he can do! And if he sucks after a series just put Peterson back in. That said, Peterson certainly did good enough to deserve the 2nd H...
I wonder how much say Hogan gets vs MOS? MOS certainly would keep Peterson in..
BC needs to find a way to move the ball when we send 5+. No answers all half.
Bombers need to not get greedy on offense, run the ball and attack in the mid range.
Without the defensive TD this is a 10-3 game which feels too close. Need to get back to the first quarter play calling and decision making.
Bombs away is fun when it works, but after the bc interception, bombers lost a lot of field position.
Ball control offence is fun too.
On the Peterson delayed draw, since that was a called play, wouldn't Peterson have been informed as to which gap was being sealed for him? The OL made a great B-gap for him but he just kept pressing the A until the DE could get loose and crash down.
Rookie mistake? Forgot the call? Thought he knew better or saw something? It's a real shame.
Note how BC is shutting us down much better in the 2nd, and now that we're up big. Let's not forget our O only has produced 1 TD and a FG. The D score "doesn't count" when evaluating the O. Need to pick it up, because BC is hanging in there and looks able to move the ball.
If BC keep dinking & dunking we may have to try harder to win.
Quote from: markf on June 22, 2025, 12:28:46 AMBombs away is fun when it works, but after the bc interception, bombers lost a lot of field position.
Well, even if the bombs fail, they do loosen up the D and stop the DBs from cheating up on the mid/short routes. However, you can't waste too many shots for 0 gain, and even more importantly you can't turn them into INTs!
PS Demski was wide open and beat his guy by miles if Zach put 10-15 more yards on that ball.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:30:07 AMOn the Peterson delayed draw, since that was a called play, wouldn't Peterson have been informed as to which gap was being sealed for him? The OL made a great B-gap for him but he just kept pressing the A until the DE could get loose and crash down.
Rookie mistake? Forgot the call? Thought he knew better or saw something? It's a real shame.
Note how BC is shutting us down much better in the 2nd, and now that we're up big. Let's not forget our O only has produced 1 TD and a FG. The D score "doesn't count" when evaluating the O. Need to pick it up, because BC is hanging in there and looks able to move the ball.
If BC keep dinking & dunking we may have to try harder to win.
Not usually or maybe generally speaking is more accurate. The offensive line starts in pass pro, usually your tackles kickstep and encourage ends to go wide and away. The running back then picks either gap between centre which has hopefully opened kind of naturally.
Didn't happen on that play though.
great coverage by bonds
great tackle
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 12:39:04 AMgreat coverage by bonds
great tackle
Haha someone saw film at half time of McInnis running through guys.
Bonds looks like an all star
Griffen shows what makes this team awesome
Develop a guy and it pays off
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:36:41 AMNot usually or maybe generally speaking is more accurate. The offensive line starts in pass pro, usually your tackles kickstep and encourage ends to go wide and away. The running back then picks either gap between centre which has hopefully opened kind of naturally.
But the G and C often work to seal the interior in a specific way. If they are sealing to the inside then surely the plan is to run B gap. The G does have the option to kick the DT outside for an A gap run.
My point being that they start with a plan, and work to the plan. Doesn't mean it will succeed, but it should be pretty obvious to us what the planned seal was, especially when they execute it so well!
Well, looks like we'll have to pray for garbage time if we want to ever see Cooley. MOS is going to ride Peterson all game it seems.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:27:23 AMBC needs to find a way to move the ball when we send 5+. No answers all half.
Bombers need to not get greedy on offense, run the ball and attack in the mid range.
Without the defensive TD this is a 10-3 game which feels too close. Need to get back to the first quarter play calling and decision making.
Getting greedy can open up the run and mid range
But mostly agree
O is sputtering. May be going prevent-O knowing that our D should be able to keep Masoli off the board.
just a dumb throw on second down - gotta have better options than that
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:40:13 AMBut the G and C often work to seal the interior in a specific way. If they are sealing to the inside then surely the plan is to run B gap. The G does have the option to kick the DT outside for an A gap run.
My point being that they start with a plan, and work to the plan. Doesn't mean it will succeed, but it should be pretty obvious to us what the planned seal was, especially when they execute it so well!
I have no idea how the Bombers schemed it. I'm just giving you the general concept for standard draw you'd teach as a football staple. Sometimes even in pro football you see it working really well and the running back could pick either side and they're both open.
seven is a six on that play
punch it in now !!
Smith nice pickup
Time to put this one away
With D / ST phases firing it looks like our O can stay prevent. LOL.
Nice play by rookie Smith. Good for him. So often guys aren't trying to be in that right spot.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 12:42:09 AMjust a dumb throw on second down - gotta have better options than that
Was close to the 1st yard marker
Was likely not a primary who were covered
Good try
Ball was high
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:43:26 AMWith D / ST phases firing it looks like our O can stay prevent. LOL.
Nice play by rookie Smith. Good for him. So often guys aren't trying to be in that right spot.
Nose for z ball
Ironic, it's the OTs letting us down, not the Gs.
Edit: great play call on the delay screen
can't take penalties like this
Clercius not getting the clutch 2nd down conversions. Unlike what WOLI used to do
8) 8) 8)
Collaros and the offense has gone pretty cold here
even if clercius catches it isn't a first down.
play calling is meh the 2nd and 3rd
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:46:57 AMClercius not getting the clutch 2nd down conversions. Unlike what WOLI used to do
8) 8) 8)
Haha zingggg
Last week 130 yards rushing
This week?
This is stupid.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:46:57 AMClercius not getting the clutch 2nd down conversions. Unlike what WOLI used to do
8) 8) 8)
Agree
Some folks have understated what Woli did for us
Hopefully he can pull it together when healthy
Doesn't look right
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 12:47:32 AMeven if clercius catches it isn't a first down.
play calling is meh the 2nd and 3rd
But one guy to beat and get to the rail. It works if he does that. Remember, he's our biggest REC, right?
But first you have to catch it, not let it bounce off your chest...
Also, clearly we've gone prevent O. Ultra-conservative. Even if Hogan isn't calling that, Zach is smart enough to not take any chances now, unless/until score gets closer. BC hasn't proven they can do anything.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 12:48:53 AMAgree
Some folks have understated what Woli did for us
Hopefully he can pull it together when healthy
Doesn't look right
2.36 catches a game is what he did for us for 30.77 yards.
Quote from: markf on June 22, 2025, 12:48:35 AMLast week 130 yards rushing
This week?
This is stupid.
Hard to do that twice in a row
Lots of game left
Brady would have 80 by now
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:49:37 AM2.36 catches a game is what he did for us for 30.77 yards.
Understating his impact on the team
He was clutch
One of our best Canadian receivers in recent memory
Canadians are key, that are as consistent as him
Techno is bang on and we are on the same page on him. Agree to disagree.
Quote from: markf on June 22, 2025, 12:48:35 AMLast week 130 yards rushing
This week?
This is stupid.
Last week they had no idea Peterson wasn't LaFrance. This week they've planned around him. Plus, Tehuma back in helps them out.
I say put Cooley in to really mix things up.
BC OC back to calling the effective dink & dunk. Smart move for them.
Parker beast, not losing his job
Looks like all star safety
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:51:05 AMLast week they had no idea Peterson wasn't LaFrance. This week they've planned around him. Plus, Tehuma back in helps them out.
I say put Cooley in to really mix things up.
BC OC back to calling the effective dink & dunk. Smart move for them.
I stick with Peterson
Sprinkle in Cooley at end
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:49:37 AM2.36 catches a game is what he did for us for 30.77 yards.
What if those 2 were both 2nd & long conversions? 2 of those can win you a game. Catching a 5Y on 1st down means nothing in comparison.
Masoli looks like Drew Willy when he's blitzed.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 12:52:54 AMMasoli looks like Drew Willy when he's blitzed.
LOL, PTSD. Too true.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 12:52:50 AMWhat if those 2 were both 2nd & long conversions? 2 of those can win you a game. Catching a 5Y on 1st down means nothing in comparison.
Yup he was money when it matters
Helped us become great and win our cups
Agree buddy!!!
Ritchie #7 all time wins
The players play
this play calling is garbage, do we have a first down in the 3rd?
Yup, prevent O. Hogan clearly likes screens more, and I like that too (since Buck never ran screens), but going for a screen at that point screams "conservative".
Edit: but again, it doesn't matter because BC can't do anything.
Weak punt good cover
that was a poor punt - come on defence !!
they need to pull masoli
good return
Cooley's in!!!!
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 12:59:53 AMthey need to pull masoli
Uh... um... for who? Brice?? Haha
Nice play BC D
one first down in the 3rd
this quarter has been longer than the first half
Amazing cross kick after high snap
People wanted him gone
Has been good
Superb recovery and punt by Sheahan. You can't top that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:05:41 AMSuperb recovery and punt by Sheahan. You can't top that.
It would have been nice if the ball kept rolling, lol
Collaros looks a bit too much like Grey Cup Zach for my liking after the hot start.
I like how with Campbell gone we don't have to worry about all the fake punts & FGs anymore. Buck will never do that.
What a punt nice placement
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 01:07:06 AMyah. can't hurt
Would you bet money on that?! 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:07:50 AMWould you bet money on that?! 8) 8) 8)
I'll give 5 to 1
Haha, that was the absolute cheapest way to get Demski a completion
It wasn't just underhand... it was underhanded!
;D ;D ;D
How many tackles is Stanley Bryant up to now?
This is some Lapo level risk aversion with a lead.
just a terrible offensive third quarter for both teams but i expect better from zach and the bombers. one first down is not great
BC learned from last week you need to stop the YAC. We had YAC and SY on nearly every 2nd down. Today, almost none. BC coming in super fast and super hard.
Smart by BC. And the game intro they talked about wanting to focus on that.
Bad for us, though. We aren't getting the free conversions on 2nd & long with the underneath throws. Poo
the bomber play calling is terrible this half, ironic that Streveler play calls were like Zacs and Zacs what we thought Streveler would do We miss randolph as well
Quote from: Jesse on June 22, 2025, 01:09:45 AMThis is some Lapo level risk aversion with a lead.
But that is what won us that first cup... just sayin'
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 01:09:53 AMjust a terrible offensive third quarter for both teams but i expect better from zach and the bombers. one first down is not great
They've fallen asleep.
Quote from: Jesse on June 22, 2025, 01:09:45 AMThis is some Lapo level risk aversion with a lead.
We ended the first half throwing Bombers and there's been a "correction" lol.
No it's not a penalty Suitor! It can bounce OOB on a punt. Sheesh.
Nice punt
The entire WPG intensity has gone down quite a bit since 1st H, in all phases. Better not get complacent. One TD and it's a different game.
Tough to turn it back on if/when we need to.
That was next level catch on an air ball
Tough when the RECs are all 7' tall and your DBs are 5'. That should have been an INT in double coverage draped all over him.
Need to do the punch-up-after-catch thing Mafia says they practice so much
game isn't over - zach and hogan need to figure this out
Well that sucks for Allen and BC. Only 1 OL backup, and maybe no natural OT. Packer to OT now? Perison at RG?
I checked the play on PVR and he looked fine during the play. No bumps or hits, just standing there after.
So a non-contact thing, never good.
Another air ball!
Duck duck goose lol
Man! We're asking a lot from the defense but they're up to the task.
Awesome catch for Holm. Not an easy one! Heck, that looks like Dressler
Strange we didn't have both DL on right side attack that new RT, but Fatboi did beat him anyway.
Who was the guy that said blitz
Wow we smacked him!!!!
I think that's a catch for sure. Since the new 2024 command memo it'll be hard to overturn the field call.
Maybe a slight double-clutch but no way to see if it's turf-grab.
I think Buck senses this is the game right here, so why not try it?
Edit: knew it.
Kill shot.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 01:18:25 AMMan! We're asking a lot from the defense but they're up to the task.
Kind of like last season.
Carried by the D most of the season.
Cooley is a freight train.
Hahahah go deep! Obviously what we've been saying this whole time. ;D
Desperate move on a desperate team
Zach can't throw it deep they say lol
Wheatie
Yes slightly under lol
Cooley cooley
Cooley is a back that would wear you down. Just my preference but I'd have Cooley in most of the game and put Peterson in to gash them late.
We kind of did it in reverse.
Cooley runs angry
Ask I asked for grind em at the end wish fresh meat
Zach likes having Sterns
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 01:23:26 AMCooley is a back that would wear you down. Just my preference but I'd have Cooley in most of the game and put Peterson in to gash them late.
We kind of did it in reverse.
I like what we did
Cooley better suited to bang
Sterns money
Eli looks like Stegall
demski is hurt
Uhoh. Not fun to be Demski's high ankle.
Demski looks hurt helping out for teammate
Bahahhahahaaha who had Eli on an anytime TD?!
BIG MAN!!!
I'VE BEEN WAITING LIKE 4 YEARS FOR ELI TO GET TARGETED AND THERE IT IS!
This makes my year. I can't tell you how happy this makes me
GAME FREAKING OVER
BC SUCKS
BC SUCKS
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:25:28 AMI'VE BEEN WAITING LIKE 4 YEARS FOR ELI TO GET TARGETED AND THERE IT IS!
This makes my year. I can't tell you how happy this makes me
Hogan is so fun so far.
Quote from: barbk on June 22, 2025, 01:24:58 AMDemski looks hurt helping out for teammate
Ankle rolled on yes
Eli with the hands!
The funniest part of that play was Zach holding the ball because the scheme didn't really work and he was covered. But then he realized he ran the route and was still open hahah
Quote from: Jesse on June 22, 2025, 01:26:19 AMHogan is so fun so far.
Yup the small crowd that doubted him and Jarius is a wee quiet now lol
Eli would always run 7Y downfield on jumbos when he had no one to block, and turn to put his hands up for a catch. D's looked at him and laughed.
This might be the longest (multi-year) play setup I've ever seen. But this time we have Eli on the crosser?! I'm shocked the D even followed him instead of falling down laughing.
thats more like the Zac attack!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 01:26:59 AMThe funniest part of that play was Zach holding the ball because the scheme didn't really work and he was covered. But then he realized he ran the route and was still open hahah
Yeah seen that too lol
Eli has nice hair LOL
The CFL is the best league in earth
Where else does this stuff happen!!!!
I would try Bryce now to give him reps
Kramdi late there
BC, a receiving corps of all giants, and one 5'7 shrimpkin. No wonder the BC QBs always throw high.
Parker wiff
Little Hall bend no break?
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 01:29:37 AMI would try Bryce now to give him reps
Maybe soon now. Masoli doens't need the experience. Bryce does.
Be nice to stop them scoring here, though. Probably 3 down territory.
Keep pressing Masoli. Just like the first drive he moves it if we don't send pressure.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:31:21 AMMaybe soon now. Masoli doens't need the experience. Bryce does.
Be nice to stop them scoring here, though. Probably 3 down territory.
Always fun to see next gen QB
Early yes, just what I would do
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 01:28:47 AMThe CFL is the best league in earth
Where else does this stuff happen!!!!
the NFL
LOL, I heard Suits say "make urine it". Maybe I need to take a bathroom break...
Our defense is all kinds of awesome
#1d plus too early lol
Wow, Willie getting misconduct 2 times in 2 games? Not good from a leader. The young'ns will think that's the WPG way, and it's not.
Jefferson should know better
Wow Willie been taking some penalties this yeae
Cooley can bust through even when the gap is sealed. Peterson needs a decent gap.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:33:55 AMWow, Willie getting misconduct 2 times in 2 games? Not good from a leader. The young'ns will think that's the WPG way, and it's not.
I would bench him rest of game
Likely would have anyway
Trent Scott caught one on MNF last year but it's still exciting.
With the game out of hand do we see backups
Weitz? And / or other depth guys?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:33:08 AMTE TDs, common. 300lb OL TD's??
took me about a 5 second search. there are some defensive dudes scoring but the pass to the o lineman isn't uncommon in the NFL
https://youtu.be/0PgddNLneOI?si=FfR7XyBJzryfHLfF
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 01:35:28 AMWith the game out of hand do we see backups
Weitz? And / or other depth guys?
Maybe after the 3 min warning, and/or 1 more series/score.
Keep letting Cooley run this out.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 01:36:00 AMtook me about a 5 second search. there are some defensive dudes scoring but the pass to the o lineman isn't uncommon in the NFL
Pass to a parked OL in zone, sure. How about a running crosser option pass? :D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:37:22 AMPass to a parked OL in zone, sure. How about a running crosser option pass? :D
Yup he is stretching that was very rare play
Best league on earth
You never know what will happen next
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 22, 2025, 01:32:50 AMNo Fun League is nothing like this nope
clearly you don't watch NFL...i do and i enjoy both leagues. o lineman TD's happen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:37:22 AMPass to a parked OL in zone, sure. How about a running crosser option pass? :D
It was funny that it was the route running that actually made the play.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 22, 2025, 01:38:19 AMclearly you don't watch NFL...i do and i enjoy both leagues. o lineman TD's happen.
Casual fan
Clearly you missed the point
See what Techno wrote
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 01:38:28 AMIt was funny that it was the route running that actually made the play.
Yup big man running a route best ever
I wouldn't have Zach in
Really bad ball there and double coverage wow
Collaros hasn't looked super great from the pocket. Medium scores?
Book it - Eli with more REC yards than Demski. You'll never see that stat line again.
Quote from: VictorRomano on June 22, 2025, 01:41:31 AMBook it - Eli with more REC yards than Demski. You'll never see that stat line again.
1 game with a catch his run starts now lol
Holm wanted that BAD
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 01:41:15 AMCollaros hasn't looked super great from the pocket. Medium scores?
The INT there he should have just eaten. Tough pass even if he had time, let alone while getting squished.
I like the try by Holm on that quick hitter TD. We need solutions to that play and that seems like the best ploy.
God **** now we gotta play our starters
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:43:25 AMThe INT there he should have just eaten. Tough pass even if he had time, let alone while getting squished.
I like the try by Holm on that quick hitter TD. We need solutions to that play and that seems like the best ploy.
Has to eat it more
Woodruff needs to be ejected
You can't let that garbage stand.
Holm always looks like he's waiting on you to submit your paperwork to the tax portal. Even when he gets the interception.
Too bad stripes took a hit there
Willie needs better control
What on earth does Willie have to do with an ejection? He didn't hit the ref, Woodruff took his arm and hit the ref with it.
I guess if Willie got a misconduct, but man make sure it's visible somewhere, not just some words no one heard.
Willie has two tackles and not really a sniff tonight. Get in the room man.
I am angry about that TD
Well, you guys wanted to see Ayers!
MOS needs to give Willie a stern talking to after this. This can't become a thing. He's not just nobody player, he's the team leader. Everyone takes their cues from him. We don't want clown world emulation of this type of behavior.
I expect to see an end to this starting next week.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:48:40 AMWell, you guys wanted to see Ayers!
MOS needs to give Willie a stern talking to after this. This can't become a thing. He's not just nobody player, he's the team leader. Everyone takes their cues from him. We don't want clown world emulation of this type of behavior.
I expect to see an end to this starting next week.
Going to be a rough night for him
MOS will go off
1:36 is enough time for 2 scores. Remember MTL Miracle game.
Need to start laying down the wood.
Doesn't matter if "it's touched" Suits... it's a KO
Nice play Holm
Need 2 first downs?
Holy smokes guys. Rookie RB + backup QB = troubles.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:51:21 AMHoly smokes guys. Rookie RB + backup QB = troubles.
Guess that's why MOS plays his vets to the end!!!!
Cooley makes up for it. That's game.
Cooley is a freak
The Zach statline is meh.
Well boyz our D is top and our O looks average
ST fine
Play calling decent
Nice gdt forum
I appreciate those that keep it clean on here
Good job mods
Best news: two games into the season and we've got the series with BC.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 01:52:37 AMThe Zach statline is meh.
yup - first game and all. need to be better.
Yes, this was a nice Sat night. No heart attacks, or high blood pressure. Just the way I like it.
I wouldn't read too much into the performance of our O. We spent all 2nd H in prevent O because it was clear BC couldn't score on our D.
I'm excited for us getting back to more of the "desired O" group; well, minus Brady.
The 2 main things I want to see for next week are:
1. Rip Willie a new one (in private)
2. Adjust the playbook to Zach's obvious max range
Our offence looks way different with Brady in it. I just hope he comes back soon and stays healthy.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:48:40 AMWell, you guys wanted to see Ayers!
MOS needs to give Willie a stern talking to after this. This can't become a thing. He's not just nobody player, he's the team leader. Everyone takes their cues from him. We don't want clown world emulation of this type of behavior.
I expect to see an end to this starting next week.
Willie continued to play it up as he left the field. He definitely needs to be pulled short a bit.
Good game. Not perfect but no apparent injuries. Demski did get rolled up just before the Eli TD but it didn't look serious?
I think I saw Weitz on punt cover teams. No stats but that's not necessarily a bad think if he was in the right place.
I think I saw Ayers on defence a couple of times. He was on ST's that's for sure. 1 ST.
J. Parker had an outstanding game as did the entire secondary.
Wallace seemed to play well. Collaros had time to throw but our run game was mostly ineffective until very late with game out of reach. I have to give Lions defence some credit for that. What I don't know is whether Wallace for Vanterpool impacted the run game. Didn't see as many openings for our RB's.
Collaros was a little rusty. Not sure why he threw late in the game that resulted in the pic.
Eli. Scores a TD. Who saw that coming? Good on him. Defences will need to be aware going forward.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:44:21 AMWoodruff needs to be ejected
You can't let that garbage stand.
Even though unintentional I think this might be reviewed for a possible 1 game suspension. Have to protect the refs at all times.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:46:19 AMWhat on earth does Willie have to do with an ejection? He didn't hit the ref, Woodruff took his arm and hit the ref with it.
I guess if Willie got a misconduct, but man make sure it's visible somewhere, not just some words no one heard.
He was literally face to face with the ref so whatever he said would be heard. Could have been taunting etc. His 1st one was taunting as well. So you get 2 and you're out.
Anyway, that was a 4 point win. We're in 2nd place I believe.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2025, 02:03:34 AMEli. Scores a TD. Who saw that coming? Good on him. Defences will need to be aware going forward.
I think there was an article a couple years ago about Eli and him making a nice grab for a TD in college?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2025, 02:08:37 AMHe was literally face to face with the ref so whatever he said would be heard. Could have been taunting etc. His 1st one was taunting as well. So you get 2 and you're out.
Anyway, that was a 4 point win. We're in 2nd place I believe.
Vaughters was in the middle of the scrum and he physically shoved someone, this might have caused the Lion player to contact the official. A bit unlikely but could also be a case of mistaken identity with Willie getting flagged for the penalty.
Clearly Collaros looked rusty and that's normal. Clercius didn't look good today and neither did Demski. Our defence certainly didn't is a bit different but still has the blue DNA. The offence I would say is a bit more improved as they are more willing to take chances and mix things up a bit.
Quote from: Jesse on June 22, 2025, 02:03:06 AMWillie continued to play it up as he left the field. He definitely needs to be pulled short a bit.
This definitely needs to be addressed. It was classless and we're better than that. He's not playing in Saskatchewan anymore, we win and lose with class.
Quote from: Jesse on June 22, 2025, 02:01:29 AMOur offence looks way different with Brady in it. I just hope he comes back soon and stays healthy.
Agreed but part of it was just learning on our part. They needed to test Peterson again. Results probably come back as expected.
Peterson, 42 yards, 3.8 yard average.
Cooley , 43 yards, 6 yard average.
I think if Oliveria is going to be out next week (it's a short week so maybe?), we should reverse the order and run Cooley first and most, and have Peterson come in as a change of pace. Especially against Edmonton and their big front. That will make it closer to a Brady look.
ZC8 decent outing. 18/25 179 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Ints. 1/4 on deep throws.
Wheatfall 6/6 86 yards.
Eli with more receiving yards than ND10.
Holm 8 DTs, 1 Int, 1 PD
Parker 6 DTs, 1 Int, 1 PD, 1 TD.
Griffin 3DTs, 1 Sack.
Regular season game in BC, reminded me of a AHL game down south.
We should discuss the question we're all asking ourselves: how many rec yards and TDs for Eli this season?
Is he at the 1000 yard mark yet? Possibly more? Do we sit Schoen and just give Eli his spot? So many questions
Quote from: blue_or_die on June 22, 2025, 03:46:20 AMWe should discuss the question we're all asking ourselves: how many rec yards and TDs for Eli this season?
Is he at the 1000 yard mark yet? Possibly more? Do we sit Schoen and just give Eli his spot? So many questions
Good to see, he obviously lost the battle at OG, but is still a valued member of the O-line and well loved by his team mates.
Game Recap | Wpg 27 BC 14 - Ed Tait
"...Collaros now joints a list that includes Anthony Calvillo (455), Damon Allen (394), Henry Burris (373), Ron Lancaster (333), Ricky Ray (324), Matt Dunigan (303), Kevin Glenn (293), Tracy Ham (284), Doug Flutie (270), Danny McManus (259), Tom Clements (252), Bo Levi Mitchell (226) and Dieter Brock (210).
"It felt great to be back out here," said Collaros post-game. "Just to be back out here with the guys... it felt like a long time, but it also felt like yesterday. It was pretty cool."
Collaros opened the game completing his first seven passes in a sensational opening drive as the offence pieced together a 12-play, 72-yard masterpiece that chewed up seven minutes and 21 seconds of clock.
The Lions defence would settle in, though, and Collaros finished the game 18 of 25 for 179 yards with two TDs — the second to offensive lineman Tui Eli for a five-yard score....
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/06/21/game-recap-wpg-27-bc-14/
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 22, 2025, 04:07:31 AMGood to see, he obviously lost the battle at OG, but is still a valued member of the O-line and well loved by his team mates.
Eli is probably the perfect 7th OL.
- Can play C pretty well
- Great at jumbo
- Quicker & more mobile (lighter)
- Presents a pass threat (however rare)
- Not good enough to start means will remain affordable and unstolen in FA
He's also been here basically forever (minus the banned-from-the-league year), and clearly FIFO. I hope he's here a long time.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 03:03:46 AMAgreed but part of it was just learning on our part. They needed to test Peterson again. Results probably come back as expected.
Peterson, 42 yards, 3.8 yard average.
Cooley , 43 yards, 6 yard average.
Peterson wasn't as good as last week, but BC planned around him this time. While he did get stuffed for 0-3 a few times, he also busted 7-11 a few times. He clearly needs some space and holes to get up to speed. He's not a power back. You need to get him some holes.
The one time he didn't bounce a bit outside is the first time I've seen anything where I'd question his overall ability (vision). The best will press then bounce it to a different gap.
Cooley looked a lot more like a power back who can slice through closed holes. But he may not have as good a top speed as Peterson. And all of these results are early returns.
I'm glad we got to see Cooley in live reps, and glad he did very well. But I won't write off Peterson yet, who at least seems to be as capable as JA27. However, there's also a chance Peterson is the next LaFrance -- one great game and then... nothing. In any event, Peterson will not be cut: he'll bounce between AR/PR as required by Brady/ratio.
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on June 22, 2025, 03:00:50 AMThe offence I would say is a bit more improved as they are more willing to take chances and mix things up a bit.
If you can't win on REC talent any given Sunday, then win on scheme and creativity. Last season we relied solely on talent, never getting any help from scheme. It's good to have both.
Zach Collaros' take on the game in BC...
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2025, 02:08:37 AMHe was literally face to face with the ref so whatever he said would be heard. Could have been taunting etc. His 1st one was taunting as well. So you get 2 and you're out.
If you're getting misconduct for "just words", then they have to include the ultra-banned words (like "N"). Is Willie dumb enough to say those things when the refs are in earshot?
The only other way you get non-physical misconduct is if your taunting is extended and egregious. If you just scream something non-banned to the bench, that won't draw a flag: you have to sit there for a long time laughing and heckling.
A bit annoying we didn't get to see either problem, and neither was explained beyond "misconduct", which could be a multitude of things. I would think we'll hear from MOS about it this week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2025, 02:06:50 AMEven though unintentional I think this might be reviewed for a possible 1 game suspension. Have to protect the refs at all times.
I doubt he'll even get a big fine because he clearly was not aiming for the ref. He was just being violent without thinking through what could happen. The ref was collateral damage.
DQ is fair because he still needs to control his emotions and body. Maybe even a tiny fine to send a message, but in general this isn't a big problem in the league.
Not good the ref was pretty shaken up, though. A blow to the (unprotected) head.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 05:36:59 AMI doubt he'll even get a big fine because he clearly was not aiming for the ref. He was just being violent without thinking through what could happen. The ref was collateral damage.
DQ is fair because he still needs to control his emotions and body. Maybe even a tiny fine to send a message, but in general this isn't a big problem in the league.
Not good the ref was pretty shaken up, though. A blow to the (unprotected) head.
The point is he didn't "control his emotions and body". He was in a crowd and took a swing that connected with an official's head! He should be absolutely suspended.
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 22, 2025, 06:30:05 AMThe point is he didn't "control his emotions and body". He was in a crowd and took a swing that connected with an official's head! He should be absolutely suspended.
I won't argue with you, as I won't cry if he gets nasty repercussions. But it's clearly not the same thing as him whacking the ref in the head with no one around. There was zero intent. As such it'll be judged less harshly. (Would people be demanding a suspension if he was wearing B&G?)
Similarly, Willie J didn't control his emotions (though he did his body)... will Willie get further repercussions?
Sometimes the on-field penalties are enough. But we will see.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 06:50:37 AMI won't argue with you, as I won't cry if he gets nasty repercussions. But it's clearly not the same thing as him whacking the ref in the head with no one around. There was zero intent. As such it'll be judged less harshly. (Would people be demanding a suspension if he was wearing B&G?)
Similarly, Willie J didn't control his emotions (though he did his body)... will Willie get further repercussions?
Sometimes the on-field penalties are enough. But we will see.
I hear you but when a player's actions, after the whistle, cause harm to a player or an official, the offender needs to be suspended. Just my opinion.
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 22, 2025, 06:53:57 AMI hear you but when a player's actions, after the whistle, cause harm to a player or an official, the offender needs to be suspended. Just my opinion.
Did that ref return? I couldn't spot it live. The refs are in a tough position, the only guys out there not wearing a helmet. Well, the sideline mic/cam holders too! Little hits that look like nothing at all certainly impact them more than the fully suited-up guys! Ouch.
F1 had to change to an everyone-in-pit-box-wears-a-helmet paradigm about 10 years ago. I wonder if football needs to do the same thing? Need to invent a max-vision helmet first.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 21, 2025, 03:58:35 PMNow saying your weren't saying it was the best decision is a waffle.
Hey guys, the only one allowed to waffle around here is Waffler. Switch to pancakes or french toast...
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 22, 2025, 03:03:46 AMAgreed but part of it was just learning on our part. They needed to test Peterson again. Results probably come back as expected.
Peterson, 42 yards, 3.8 yard average.
Cooley , 43 yards, 6 yard average.
I think if Oliveria is going to be out next week (it's a short week so maybe?), we should reverse the order and run Cooley first and most, and have Peterson come in as a change of pace. Especially against Edmonton and their big front. That will make it closer to a Brady look.
I would say the usual method is to have the speed guy as your change of pace guy.
Cooley runs with violence. I expect good things if he's given the chance (Only if Brady isn't available).
But Wallace showing well gives us the option if needed, though I feel bad for Vanterpool.
Another feather in Hogan's cap is that Cooley got a shot at all. I can see previous variations of this team just continuing to put Peterson in despite any struggles and we're all sitting here asking, why was Cooley rostered in the first place?
Watching the game now, (had a sleep study last night), and so disappointed that CS4 to MCI25 TD was called back. MCI25 had a nice grab, and quite a run afterwards. Look forward to his progression.
KC86 did hold, but didn't need to. He has to learn to not grab, just push...
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2025, 02:03:34 AMCollaros was a little rusty. Not sure why he threw late in the game that resulted in the pic.
I am going to be the negative nellie. I don't think it was rust. I brought up last year that he had lost zip and distance. It's even more apparent now. Two deep balls under thrown. Other balls that hung a long time allowing the defense to get into the play. See the lovely rainbow on the late pic. The long one to Demski, he wound up and gave it everything he had but was well short. You could see Demski expecting he could still make that throw. Someone I was with asked if he was still cut. ouch. I will say the Schoen TD was excellent.
I think we are going to see teams start to not respect the deep ball. The win is glossing it over but I am worried. Streveller out played him last week with his strong and accurate throws. The talk was how this is the Collaros revenge game for the suspension and he would show us all. What I saw was that was not the same arm he showed when he got here. Look! he can make throws that Nichols can't. Not anymore.
Flame away, I am expecting it. But if you watch again, take note of the arm strength and decide for yourself.
Our offence didn't have their best game but the Lions defence played well at home. Overall our defence created turnovers and took advantage. They scored and improved field position at times.
Overall there were some new wrinkles including the TD pass to Eli. The other wrinkle was the play to MCI that was called back due to a penalty.
I'll have to re-watch the game later today or tomorrow. Question of the week will be whether BO plays next week. IMO he will get another week since we're playing against the Elks. No need to rush him back.
We'll probably see the same healthy scratches on the 1 game IR.
Quote from: Waffler on June 22, 2025, 12:57:42 PMI am going to be the negative nellie. I don't think it was rust. I brought up last year that he had lost zip and distance. It's even more apparent now. Two deep balls under thrown. Other balls that hung a long time allowing the defense to get into the play. See the lovely rainbow on the late late pic. The long one to Demski, he wound up and gave it everything he had but was well short. You could see Demski expecting he could still make that throw. Someone I was with asked if he was still cut. ouch. I will say the Schoen TD was excellent.
I think we are going to see teams start to not respect the deep ball. The win is glossing it over but I am worried. Streveller out played him last week with his strong and accurate throws. The talk was how this is the Collaros revenge game for the suspension and he would show us all. What I saw was that was not the same arm he showed when he got here. Look! he can make throws that Nichols can't. Not anymore.
Flame away, I am expecting it. But if you watch again, take note of the arm strength and decide for yourself.
I'm not going to flame away, we've seen this on his deep balls for a while now, but it doesn't mean he can't be successful. The receivers are open, just got to adjust the depth and timing of throw.
It was mentioned on the int intended to Demski that Collaros didn't account for the Lions safety. That may or may not be true. If the safety didn't make the play, then Demski probably adjusts to the ball and has a good chance to score.
Not all passes are perfect and receivers make adjustments and spectacular receptions.
So. Was it a perfect pass? No, certainly not. But it did have a chance to be completed and / or to draw an PI.
Obviously defences play too and it ended up as double coverage. That said receivers beat double coverage as well. Win some lose some. It keeps them honest though.
The TD pass to Schoen and to Eli were as good a placement as you'd hope for in any game. Collaros in 2025 is not Collaros in 2021, that's to be expected.
Defensive line this season is hitting the quarterback hard.
Bonfire postgame....I just watched Lawson tackling Masoli.... Ouch.
Holm endzone int. .... he could play receiver. Then Just jogs off, no big deal.
Is there a site where the stats are available immediately?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2025, 03:37:13 PMIt was mentioned on the int intended to Demski that Collaros didn't account for the Lions safety. That may or may not be true. If the safety didn't make the play, then Demski probably adjusts to the ball and has a good chance to score.
Not all passes are perfect and receivers make adjustments and spectacular receptions.
So. Was it a perfect pass? No, certainly not. But it did have a chance to be completed and / or to draw an PI.
Obviously defences play too and it ended up as double coverage. That said receivers beat double coverage as well. Win some lose some. It keeps them honest though.
The TD pass to Schoen and to Eli were as good a placement as you'd hope for in any game. Collaros in 2025 is not Collaros in 2021, that's to be expected.
Zach's first game in a long time was not a masterpiece, hopefully he gets better, couple of times in the first two games they are missing out on easy TD's because the QB can't hit the receiver in stride to Wheatfall and Demski. Underthrowing long balls can lead to interceptions, didn't matter much in either game but they should take note and discontinue calling for longer pass routes they can't fulfill. A frank admission neither Zach or Strev can throw the ball 50 yds in the air would serve them well, clock it back to 40 yds. and throw the ball earlier.
Also Zach has to develop a little Trevor Harris and accept moving the ball in short strokes can be an effective way of advancing the ball downfield when necessary. All too often in the last 2-3 years he loses patience with a methodical drive and will fling the ball, a drive and sometimes the game away carelessly because the defence is waiting in anticipation for him to throw the long bombs they know he prefers. Jordan Younger is teaching other CFL DC's the way to defend long passing plays, flood the field with DB's and surely one rover will always be left free to attack the ball.
Play calling on second half went too conservative, that dink and dunk is not our game
Defense was impressive, have to say that Bridges concerns me, He was beat badly a few times just lucky Masoli could' t connect
The other dbs were very good, Holm was all over the field, Nichols wa Nichols, and Parker was a big factor
Quote from: Pete on June 22, 2025, 04:26:54 PMPlay calling on second half went too conservative, that dink and dunk is not our game
Defense was impressive, have to say that Bridges concerns me, He was beat badly a few times just lucky Masoli could' t connect
The other dbs were very good, Holm was all over the field, Nichols wa Nichols, and Parker was a big factor
Bridges is learning and will come around, seen him make one great play
I didn't mind go conservative based on the situation as BC offence stunk
But you are right, it's not our game and won't work most weeks against a strong O
Agree all those names incredible game
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 07:21:20 AMHey guys, the only one allowed to waffle around here is Waffler. Switch to pancakes or french toast...
Pretty funny buddy
Quote from: Pete on June 22, 2025, 04:26:54 PMPlay calling on second half went too conservative, that dink and dunk is not our game
Defense was impressive, have to say that Bridges concerns me, He was beat badly a few times just lucky Masoli could' t connect
The other dbs were very good, Holm was all over the field, Nichols wa Nichols, and Parker was a big factor
Yes, Bridge is aggressive and some times makes the wrong read. A couple of times he was beaten bad.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 22, 2025, 07:30:53 PMYes, Bridge is aggressive and some times makes the wrong read. A couple of times he was beaten bad.
He made the same mistake covering Hatcher with less than 2 minutes left against BC in the first game. If Masolli had not overthrown it, it would have gone for 6 points and brought BC within a touchdown. He tried to jump the route on a pump fake when there was absolutely no reason for doing so. He should have just played it safe behind the receiver and tackle them for a short gain when you're up by 14 with 1 minute 50 seconds left. If he doesn't smarten up, its going to cost us.
Quote from: bunker on June 22, 2025, 08:14:48 PMHe made the same mistake covering Hatcher with less than 2 minutes left against BC in the first game. If Masolli had not overthrown it, it would have gone for 6 points and brought BC within a touchdown. He tried to jump the route on a pump fake when there was absolutely no reason for doing so. He should have just played it safe behind the receiver and tackle them for a short gain when you're up by 14 with 1 minute 50 seconds left. If he doesn't smarten up, its going to cost us.
Bridges is probably the low man on the totem pole in the current secondary, if he screws up often he may be replaced mid-season or later by Cam Allen who shone in TC. Typically injuries force some shuffling so having a few spares with experience is advisable.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 22, 2025, 09:06:44 PMBridges is probably the low man on the totem pole in the current secondary
This is one of the most misused idioms.
In most indigenous cultures that use totem poles, the low man is the most important man. He is usually the largest man, supporting the weight of all others on the totem pole.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on June 22, 2025, 09:25:29 PMThis is one of the most misused idioms.
In most indigenous cultures that use totem poles, the low man is the most important man. He is usually the largest man, supporting the weight of all others on the totem pole.
never knew that...thanks
Quote from: bunker on June 22, 2025, 08:14:48 PMHe made the same mistake covering Hatcher with less than 2 minutes left against BC in the first game. If Masolli had not overthrown it, it would have gone for 6 points and brought BC within a touchdown. He tried to jump the route on a pump fake when there was absolutely no reason for doing so. He should have just played it safe behind the receiver and tackle them for a short gain when you're up by 14 with 1 minute 50 seconds left. If he doesn't smarten up, its going to cost us.
double edge sword, yes I agree with you but also gotta remember he will learn by his mistakes and has the skills to makes those plays at time, but agree gotta know when to hold em'
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 22, 2025, 09:06:44 PMBridges is probably the low man on the totem pole in the current secondary, if he screws up often he may be replaced mid-season or later by Cam Allen who shone in TC. Typically injuries force some shuffling so having a few spares with experience is advisable.
I would put money on him not getting replaced by Allen. Agree on the injury shuffle. Bridges has shown enough to have a medium long leash imo. I believe he will get beat and will become a better player from the usually learning / developmental process.
I am high on Allen. He needs time to season imo.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on June 22, 2025, 09:25:29 PMThis is one of the most misused idioms.
In most indigenous cultures that use totem poles, the low man is the most important man. He is usually the largest man, supporting the weight of all others on the totem pole.
LOL, news to me. Ok, Bridges is the bottom rung of the ladder but he is also a very talented player, so it doesn't mean much.
Defense led the charge last night in Vancouver. Parker had a monster game.
Upon Further Review | Wpg 27 BC 14 - Ed Tait
THREE NUMBERS WHICH STOOD OUT...
1 Collaros finished the game 18 of 25 for 179 yards with two interceptions and two TD strikes — the one to Eli and the 200th of his career to Dalton Schoen on the game's first drive — and in the process now has 16,177 passing yards as a Blue Bomber. That leaves him just 180 yards shy of passing the legendary Ken Ploen for fourth spot on the franchise's all-time yardage list.
Collaros is at 16,177, Ploen is at 16,356 with the top three Dieter Brock at 29,623, Khari Jones at 20,175 and Kevin Glenn at 18,116.
"It's huge having Zach back," said Schoen. "He's the leader of our offence and one of the best leaders of our team so it's obviously important to have him around and running the show for us."
2 Winnipeg forced five turnovers on the night — interceptions by Evan Holm and Parker, Jr., the fumble recovery by Parker, Jr, a turnover on downs and a Jaylen Smith recovery of a botched punt return. Those five gaffes led to 17 points, including the Parker, Jr. score.
Through the two games with the Lions Winnipeg had eight turnovers.
3 The Blue Bombers had five penalties for 43 yards, including two objectionable conduct infractions by Willie Jefferson — the second coming late in the game and leading to his ejection.
Jefferson didn't do interviews post-game but Lions O-lineman Kory Woodruff — who was also part of the late fracas, picked up a 20-yard penalty for abuse of an official. Afterward, he accused Jefferson of a dirty hit in an interview with J.C. Abbott of 3Down Nation.
"Willie Jefferson, he did something dirty to one of my teammates, and I'm not just gonna let that slide, so we got into a little bit of an altercation," Woodruff told Abbott. "They claim I hit the ref, I didn't hit the ref. It'll be sent to the Review Centre, and we'll go from there.
"Dirty, dirty. Did something dirty to my teammate, so it was retaliation. Still, I've got to be better than that. I've got to understand the moment. I'll be better next time."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/06/22/upon-further-review-wpg-27-bc-14/
Quote from: Jesse on June 22, 2025, 12:33:47 PMBut Wallace showing well gives us the option if needed, though I feel bad for Vanterpool.
Wallace did very well. He's like an immovable object.
However, I noticed that on every single snap he was the slowest to get out of his 3-point and start his blocking. If a team had a super fast DL guy, they could possibly match them up to try to beat him off the mark. Or a blitzing LB/DB timing the count...
Quote from: markf on June 22, 2025, 04:05:02 PMIs there a site where the stats are available immediately?
The fantasy section of gamezone.cfl.ca updates in-game with a few-minutes delay and usually finalizes results/stats pretty darn fast after the game.
I now trust the fantasy section more than the cfl.ca player pages, though I'm sure they must draw on the same data collection.
Quote from: Waffler on June 22, 2025, 12:57:42 PMFlame away, I am expecting it. But if you watch again, take note of the arm strength and decide for yourself.
Ya, we've talked about this before. Probably since '23, and certainly in '24.
It's not our imagination, it's not a technique thing, it's not gameday nerves. He just doesn't have the high max strength anymore. The routes
must be designed to be max 45Y from Zach to catch point. Maybe 50Y if the guy is wide open (i.e. can be caught low with no trailing defender).
He gives us a perfect illustration in the @BC game 2Q12:11 Zach is completely unharrassed and uhuried and is standing precisely on the C line. He appears to launch it with everything he's got. The ball basically lands right at the GL. Another 5Y (or a third of a steamboat earlier) and Sterns catches that over his shoulder with nothing the DBs can do.
So throw it earlier so it lands in the bucket 45-50Y downfield. Earlier is almost always better anyhow because it keeps the 2nd DB from getting there in time.
However, this isn't the end of the world. Zach's accuracy is still top-notch, as seen in the last game. The zip may not have been there, but basically every short/mid pass was on target. Compare to Masoli and many of the other QBs this weekend. Even "most accurate" Trevor wasn't getting the balls out to where they needed to be in the 2nd H.
There's no law that saws a star QB has to be able to chuck it 60Y+ all the time. It's gravy, not required. I wonder now how far R.Ray was chucking them in the last 2 years of his career.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on June 22, 2025, 09:25:29 PMIn most indigenous cultures that use totem poles, the low man is the most important man. He is usually the largest man, supporting the weight of all others on the totem pole.
LOL, this is hilarious, as that expression is really ancient. I guess it pays to have a number of BC-dwelling fans on this forum, eh?
Of course, instead of meaning the "weak link" or "least seniority", it could possibly mean the guy getting the bum deal? Sucks to be at the bottom holding everyone else up? The guy at the top doesn't have to hold anyone, and they get the best BC view!
Hehe, 3down found a fun thing I missed. They mention a pile stop by Fatboi in the 1st H.
I think it's 1Q5:20, Fatboi is getting stuffed by 2 OL (one slides off to go downfield) and Butler comes behind them. Fatboi gets a hand on him as he goes to the other side of the engaged hoggie, and holds him up and starts taking him down, and then help arrives.
There's another play a few plays later where Fatboi holds up 2 hoggies, keeping them from pushing the carrier forward effectively. However, in that case the carrier has already gone by.
Did BC plan for our D based on film from late last season? Maybe they thought we'd mostly do 3 man rush (and actually bring only 3), our 2024 M.O.?
Their O had no idea what to do with us bringing 4, let alone 5, 6, 7.
After 2 games it's safe to say Vaughters is a great pick-up, and worth the money. He's getting pressures or sacks every game. It should start loosening up things for Willie to get his famous *** and pressures.
I hope Willie is teaching him how to stay uninjured. No one has mastered that better than Willie!
Lost in the fun of the Eli TD, the tackler does a HC tackle on him. Well, tries to. Blue jersey part above the numbers is pulled down like 8" over the numbers, but let go pretty quickly.
Doesn't impact Eli at all, LOL. Tiny DB ain't gonna alter that trajectory. Still, it's still a foul, and would have rubbed it in real nice to tack on 15 on the KO.
Funny, but I think this is 4 BC games in a row we've made Betts a complete non-factor. It's like he doesn't exist to us. That's no small feat, especially since their entire DL is pretty talented.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2025, 07:26:06 AMHehe, 3down found a fun thing I missed. They mention a pile stop by Fatboi in the 1st H.
I think it's 1Q5:20, Fatboi is getting stuffed by 2 OL (one slides off to go downfield) and Butler comes behind them. Fatboi gets a hand on him as he goes to the other side of the engaged hoggie, and holds him up and starts taking him down, and then help arrives.
There's another play a few plays later where Fatboi holds up 2 hoggies, keeping them from pushing the carrier forward effectively. However, in that case the carrier has already gone by.
This is awesome dude. The anti Thomas herd has thinned out a bit it seams. So proud of what he was done for this club.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2025, 01:24:27 PMThis is awesome dude. The anti Thomas herd has thinned out a bit it seams. So proud of what he was done for this club.
He needs to see less and less reps as Lawson gets back into game shape. He's old, slow and the least athletic player we have on defence.
Another year where he has yet to record a stat. Every DL on the team recorded a DT last week except Thomas. Even Kornelson.
What he's done in the past I can appreciate. Football is a business and about what have you done lately and what can you do now question.
I'd be curious to know how many reps he's getting now versus Lawson. Even now Thomas should be the back up not the starter at DT.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 01:30:23 PMHe needs to see less and less reps as Lawson gets back into game shape. He's old, slow and the least athletic player we have on defence.
Another year where he has yet to record a stat. Every DL on the team recorded a DT last week except Thomas. Even Kornelson.
Agree on Lawson, understating the impact Thomas has imo. Yes old and slow but still effective with the tools he as left. Yes least athletic to be sure. He is strong and techno brings up a few good examples of value he brings. He will never jump off the stat sheet but had made some plays in the past, fumble recoveries come to mind, get some tackles and a few sacks here and there. A great combo to be sure. Thomas brings much stability, leadership and experience, Lawson brings much promise. Love em both.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2025, 06:49:35 AMZach's accuracy is still top-notch, as seen in the last game. The zip may not have been there, but basically every short/mid pass was on target.
What do you say about the hang time? Seems he compensates for lack of zip by by putting more rainbow on the ball to get it to the target. This helps the defense. But as you said, Ricky Ray played that way his whole career. It worries me to see it in Zach though. I wonder if he even realizes he needs to adapt.
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 23, 2025, 03:54:20 AMUpon Further Review | Wpg 27 BC 14 - Ed Tait
Woodruff told Abbott. "They claim I hit the ref, I didn't hit the ref. It'll be sent to the Review Centre, and we'll go from there.
DIDN'T hit the ref... Better he just says I might have but it was an accident.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2025, 01:37:32 PMAgree on Lawson, understating the impact Thomas has imo. Yes old and slow but still effective with the tools he as left. Yes least athletic to be sure. He is strong and techno brings up a few good examples of value he brings. He will never jump off the stat sheet but had made some plays in the past, fumble recoveries come to mind, get some tackles and a few sacks here and there. A great combo to be sure. Thomas brings much stability, leadership and experience, Lawson brings much promise. Love em both.
Re-watch any Bomber game and look to see whether Thomas is on the field when the opponent makes a big play. That is a lack of pressure / contain less than when Lawson is on the field. This is not to say Lawson is perfect but it's almost predictable that Thomas is a larger deficit and the opponent more likely to make a big play.
Note that I suggest a similar thing when Gauthier is on defence. Although he's getting less reps and those are usually in very short field position in the red zone. I question whether he's the best option essentially as a run stopper inside our 10 yard line.
Eli making #2 on CFL's PLays of the Week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnt7bvwWJDU
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2025, 03:40:37 PMGauthier's reps are likely less now, not sure.
I haven't watch Gauthier this year at all.
I haven't paid enough attention to see the comparison between Thomas and Lawson this year.
I can't stand how you admit to not paying attention but go ahead and argue the point against people who have anyway.
Just finished a re-watch of this game. Thanks to Zip!
A few observations:
Our O-line is playing with attitude!
Betts is a whiner when being manhandled by an O-Lineman
Corallos is spreading the ball around well, throwing left, right, centre
Zac looks very comfortable throwing the ball this year.
If Zac could hit his guys in stride, man! Always an underthrow.
Zac sometimes makes/forces throws that a veteran QB shouldn't be making. Annoying.
Wheatfall has nice hands
Shoen is back and looking great!
Peterson is hard to bring down
Chris-Ike is a beast!
Vaval is a fearless returner and is definitely going to break one!
Evan Holm made a spectacular INT in the end zone! Highlight reel stuff!
Eli the tight-end with the TD catch! Love it!
Masoli is a good QB. Far from washed up.
Not Masoli's fault on the Hatcher miscue, re: lateral. Good alertness by Wpg D!
Hatcher and McInnis are good receivers. Got to wrap them up or they'll break loose!
McInnis is a load! Hard to bring down.
Butler is a good back.
Refs:
#29 of BC clearly PI on Sterns trying to come back for an underthrown ball. No call. New rules?
Wpg D-line creating havoc resulting in proc. calls, holds, and INTs.
Who got DQ'd near the end of the game? Official announced #5???
Suitor:
Couldn't be less enthused for the Bombers. He loved the call-back on the Chris-Ike major and was hoping for a non-lateral pass on the Butler miscue. Grudgingly admitted at the end of the game that the Bombers are looking really good.
Quote from: Waffler on June 23, 2025, 02:23:18 PMDIDN'T hit the ref... Better he just says I might have but it was an accident.
I rewatched and that guy is so toast. I guess he was trying to argue it was the WPG arm that hit the ref, and it was... but you can see the BC guy flexing with both arms and causing 100% of the WPG arm movement. We'll see what supplemental he'll get. But the WPG guy whose arm he used will have 0 fault assigned.
Quote from: Waffler on June 23, 2025, 02:16:19 PMWhat do you say about the hang time? Seems he compensates for lack of zip by by putting more rainbow on the ball to get it to the target.
You are 100% right. Less zip,
but not always rainbows. There were a couple of wide hitch screens where the ball took forever to get there. One with a view from behind and the ball barely seems to move but takes so long to arrive (a bit low, but easily caught).
I'm not complaining though because so many QBs (BLM cough cough) will throw that wide hitch into the turf. For some reason these lateral angles are harder for QBs to judge, or maybe the fact they throw without turning (usually) means they can't get the heat on it.
Anyhow, so guys will just have to be more open, blockers will have to hold their man longer, etc. And Zach will have to throw sooner on most plays.
Zach does these little steamboat twitches on the long balls, you can actually see it. His internal timing is superb, but we now need one less twitch before he heaves it, because his brain's idea of his throw distance does not equal reality.
Here's hoping Jarious can work with him on this better than Buck (never) did.
Quote from: J5V on June 24, 2025, 03:05:33 AMNot Masoli's fault on the Hatcher miscue, re: lateral. Good alertness by Wpg D!
Not his fault it was dropped, but his fault it was a lateral. The QB needs to know how many steps he took back, and he should take extra back-steps if he's going to lateral it. If he's scrambling, like he was here, he needs to be aware how much he's moved back vs forward. He must ensure it's not a lateral.
The reason is even in the best of situations it's a tricky pass and we see turf balls and RECs whiffing on catchable balls all the time, even when no one is being harangued!
If he's not sure about the vertical spacing, he needs to eat it, chuck it into the stands, or run downhill. He won't make that mistake again, and it's a good reminder for all other QBs. (Similar to the lesson Zach just learned about not chucking it when 3 pocket-collapsers are in the process of whacking you!)
Quote from: J5V on June 24, 2025, 03:05:33 AM#29 of BC clearly PI on Sterns trying to come back for an underthrown ball. No call. New rules?
Nah, they call it like this a lot. Sterns needs to actually make an attempt to stop cold so he gets pushed down, not do the slow-down thing. I think when they are in this situation they should be coached to stop trying to get a catch, and instead go for the DPI. Just halt your movement with a jarring both-feet hop-stab and get plowed over. That gets the flag every time.
Quote from: J5V on June 24, 2025, 03:05:33 AMWho got DQ'd near the end of the game? Official announced #5???
Check earlier in the GDT when that happens. More chatter then. It's Willie with a 2nd misconduct. Tsk tsk. MOS looked about as angry as you ever see him. I don't think Willie hit anyone, he was just getting beaky with BC all night. Maybe there was a ref that really had it in for him (love to know if both calls came from the same one). I think he may have been saying naughty words, but this is pure speculation.
Players need to remember that once they are given that 1st misconduct that they need to walk on eggshells and be boyscouts. I don't think Willie cared, and that's a bit alarming. Can't have that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 24, 2025, 06:58:10 AMEveryone can say what they want about Thomas, but there's one incredible point everyone seems to miss: Fatboi never really changes, never really gets worse, doesn't seem to be aging.
Many say he is aging or getting slower or whatever, but they're wrong. He's always been precisely this! People say he has less impact, but he's always been middle of the pack and nothing more.
This is precisely why he seems to be on the roster until the end of time. He is precisely what he is, and Mafia knows exactly what that is, and he stays that way. No surprises. If they didn't can him for being him 5 seasons ago, why would they do so now? Nonsense.
But anyone who dismisses Fatboi isn't watching all the mayhem he's causing back there. They're not watching how he's plowing over top 350lb OL multiple times a game. They're not watching him getting his mitt back there in the face of the QB when he thinks he's safe to throw. And he does this every game.
I don't care about the stat sheet for him. And I promise you Mafia doesn't care either. As long as he keeps doing what he's been doing for a decade, and we haven't found the next next NAT DT (need 2!), he'll be on the AR in some capacity.
Well said, well written, agree all. Consistency is key.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 24, 2025, 06:58:10 AMEveryone can say what they want about Thomas, but there's one incredible point everyone seems to miss: Fatboi never really changes, never really gets worse, doesn't seem to be aging.
Many say he is aging or getting slower or whatever, but they're wrong. He's always been precisely this! People say he has less impact, but he's always been middle of the pack and nothing more.
This is precisely why he seems to be on the roster until the end of time. He is precisely what he is, and Mafia knows exactly what that is, and he stays that way. No surprises. If they didn't can him for being him 5 seasons ago, why would they do so now? Nonsense.
But anyone who dismisses Fatboi isn't watching all the mayhem he's causing back there. They're not watching how he's plowing over top 350lb OL multiple times a game. They're not watching him getting his mitt back there in the face of the QB when he thinks he's safe to throw. And he does this every game.
I don't care about the stat sheet for him. And I promise you Mafia doesn't care either. As long as he keeps doing what he's been doing for a decade, and we haven't found the next next NAT DT (need 2!), he'll be on the AR in some capacity.
On the roster and starting are two different things. You think we don't watch what he does and don't know what his liabilities are?
The argument has always been he shouldn't be starting and should be getting less reps.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 24, 2025, 12:49:59 PMOn the roster and starting are two different things. You think we don't watch what he does and don't know what his liabilities are?
The argument has always been he shouldn't be starting and should be getting less reps.
You think the coaching staff doesn't watch what Jake does and evaluate accurately his effectiveness in film breakdown, game in and game out? One thing about Jake, he puts in 100% effort every play from start to finish, no matter how many snaps he plays. Adams has looked great a few times, but in both games he's faded away badly and becomes a non-factor later in the game.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 24, 2025, 05:05:36 PMYou think the coaching staff doesn't watch what Jake does and evaluate accurately his effectiveness in film breakdown, game in and game out? One thing about Jake, he puts in 100% effort every play from start to finish, no matter how many snaps he plays. Adams has looked great a few times, but in both games he's faded away badly and becomes a non-factor later in the game.
Lawson is coming back from a serious injury and it takes awhile to get back to game speed. Lawson is already taking reps that Thomas would have been getting so this is likely to continue. Lawson missed the entire 2024 season.
I also think that the coaches adjust to accommodate his deficiencies. That means more 34 fronts as one of the options.
Both Thomas and Lawson were getting deep into the backfield. Repeatedly. Which forces the QB out.
Against a mobile QB, it puts things into the DE and LB's hands to finish him off.
No soft pockets with Thomas and Lawson bullrushing.
We knew two things going into free agency 2025.
1. We were going to lose 2 Canadian starters in Dobson and Ford.
2. Our DL as a group in 2024 was not very good overall.
The logical thing to attempt in free agency was to try and upgrade Canadian content on either the OL or DL. We did neither.
That doesn't mean we didn't try but players wanting to come to Winnipeg or SMS demands may have made those choices difficult.
We've seen the conversation since TC and after 2 games, the dilemma of our current ratio after BO was injured. Today we may find that we're going to be missing Demski this week. I hope he plays but we've already seen some suggestions of adding Mitchell for an example. That would cause another domino effect.
I'm not proposing it if Demski doesn't play, but depth and options behind our Canadian starters is more limited than last year.
We added some good Canadians in the draft but none are expected to be immediate # 2 player at any position in 2025. We didn't expect Smith to be available in the 1st round and he may have great upside. The next 7 players drafted were either OL or DL and we may have been deciding to improve our lot with a different choice.
As the coaches suggested, Smith was just too good to not take when he became available. That couldn't have been predicted going into free agency. I'm not even sure which Canadian DT's might have been available or contacted by the team in the tampering window.
It's pretty easy to see that we replaced Ford and Dobson with 2 imports and that hurts our flexibility.
Yes, our flexibility is hurt, but our talent level on Nat's remains very high.
Losing two when you are starting 9 isn't as much of a deal.
And our draft picks are all looking great in development, the scouts did a great job in choosing some real talent. So, we could see that starting ratio climb as we develop these guys. Wallace has already stepped in for Dobson.
The league looks at FS as a ratio spot, and we did forever, but since Alexander and Kramdi swapped those spots, I'm OK with the job Parker is doing, regardless passport.
Losing Demski AND Brady is tough to take, but I like that Chris-Ike got a target last game and showed well.
I think we'll be just fine...
Quote from: theaardvark on June 25, 2025, 08:44:53 PMI think we'll be just fine...
+1
Trust In The Canadian Mafia.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 24, 2025, 08:15:04 PMBoth Thomas and Lawson were getting deep into the backfield. Repeatedly. Which forces the QB out.
Against a mobile QB, it puts things into the DE and LB's hands to finish him off.
No soft pockets with Thomas and Lawson bullrushing.
You might ask whether either or both are forcing the QB outside or stepping up into the pocket. That later is preferable but we're seeing QB's buy time and escape outside to complete passes into the flat.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 25, 2025, 09:23:13 PMYou might ask whether either or both are forcing the QB outside or stepping up into the pocket. That later is preferable but we're seeing QB's buy time and escape outside to complete passes into the flat.
But pressure leads many (most? all?) QBs to also complete more INTs. When harassed, they also make more mistakes. The main thing is to achieve that without letting them run 20Y downfield for a 1st down and big gain.
The WFC D motto is get the QB off their mark, relentless pressure. I have a feeling they know what they are doing. The only time it fails is when you have a Flutie-esque QB, which thankfully is rare.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 25, 2025, 03:12:05 PMThe logical thing to attempt in free agency was to try and upgrade Canadian content on either the OL or DL. We did neither.
NAT OL are of course plentiful (though not the top ones), but NAT DL are the "hen's teeth" situation. I can count very good NAT DTs from the past decade using just one hand. Maybe even less DEs. It's kind of like good NAT DBs (excluding FS).
So there was no law or reason why we had to seek NAT DL at all. Just seek NAT anywhere (perhaps the "easier" positions) and fill the ratio that way.
But yes, it feels like we're thinner on NAT starters and depth this season, although I have optimism there are 2-4 rookies that can start during short injury intervals. Peterson already showed he can. How about Corcoran, Shay, Smith ...?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2025, 09:32:52 PMNAT OL are of course plentiful (though not the top ones), but NAT DL are the "hen's teeth" situation. I can count very good NAT DTs from the past decade using just one hand. Maybe even less DEs. It's kind of like good NAT DBs (excluding FS).
So there was no law or reason why we had to seek NAT DL at all. Just seek NAT anywhere (perhaps the "easier" positions) and fill the ratio that way.
But yes, it feels like we're thinner on NAT starters and depth this season, although I have optimism there are 2-4 rookies that can start during short injury intervals. Peterson already showed he can. How about Corcoran, Shay, Smith ...?
Bombers let Hubert and Samson walk away without giving them much of a trial, but with Lawson, Jake, Schmek and Kornelson in house, the cupboard was already full.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2025, 09:32:52 PMNAT OL are of course plentiful (though not the top ones), but NAT DL are the "hen's teeth" situation. I can count very good NAT DTs from the past decade using just one hand. Maybe even less DEs. It's kind of like good NAT DBs (excluding FS).
So there was no law or reason why we had to seek NAT DL at all. Just seek NAT anywhere (perhaps the "easier" positions) and fill the ratio that way.
But yes, it feels like we're thinner on NAT starters and depth this season, although I have optimism there are 2-4 rookies that can start during short injury intervals. Peterson already showed he can. How about Corcoran, Shay, Smith ...?
It's too early to know how Samson will do career wise. OTOH, we traded him to get Peterson and Bailey and that certainly looks like a win for Winnipeg where Peterson is thrust into a starting role.
We lost Kelly and Makonzo early and both would have been very good depth pieces on defence.
We'll see how any of the draft choices look as the season progresses but I think we had a good draft. They don't solve the depth on either the OL or DL.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 25, 2025, 09:57:45 PMBombers let Hubert and Samson walk away without giving them much of a trial, but with Lawson, Jake, Schmek and Kornelson in house, the cupboard was already full.
I agree but whether either were the best or the worst of those 5 choices time may tell. Regardless we won that trade IMO. We let Hubert go in free agency but Samson was a post free agency trade.
Quote from: J5V on June 24, 2025, 03:05:33 AMJust finished a re-watch of this game. Thanks to Zip!
A few observations:
Chris-Ike is a beast!
Yes. He is very effective. Definitely stands out.