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Injury bug bites Toronto Argonauts with eight changes ahead of clash with Riders
By 3Down Staff -June 19, 2025
The Toronto Argonauts will look dramatically different when they face the Saskatchewan Roughriders on Friday, with eight changes to their lineup.
Quarterback Nick Arbuckle will make his third start in place of the injured Chad Kelly, but won't have veteran all-star DaVaris Daniels to throw to. The 32-year-old has made five catches for 63 yards and one touchdown, but has been placed on the one-game injured list after being limited by a hip issue. Jake Herslow will step into his starting spot, with Calvin Turner Jr. coming off the practice roster to handle return duties.
The Argos will also be without running back Deonta McMahon, who managed 35 all-purpose yards through two games before being placed on the one-game with an ankle injury. Veteran Kevin Brown will draw in to backup Miyan Williams, with recently re-acquired fullback Brandon Calver stepping in for special teams depth.
The whole group will operate behind a re-shuffled offensive line. Starter Sage Doxtater (knee) and backup Dylan Giffen (back) are both out this week, forcing Ryan Hunter to move from right tackle to left guard, rookie American Hampton Ergle to make his first career start at right tackle, and Anim Dankwah to dress as insurance.
Defensively, all-star linebacker Wynton McManis has been placed on the one-game injured list with a knee issue that could hold him out several weeks, and he is joined by Canadian backup Jack Cassar (adductor). American Isaac Darkangelo will get the nod in the middle, while Canadian Daniel Kwamou will dress for depth.
Defensive tackle DeMarcus Christmas (Achilles) won't get a chance to face his former team after being placed on the six-game injured list, while defensive end Celestin Haba is set to be a healthy scratch. Atlias Bell and DeMarcus Johnson will make their debuts inside.
The Toronto Argonauts (0-2) will host the Saskatchewan Roughriders (2-0) at BMO Field on Friday, June 20 with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/19/injury-bug-bites-toronto-argonauts-with-eight-changes-ahead-of-clash-with-riders/
Saskatchewan Roughriders deny RB Ka'Deem Carey shot at revenge against Argos
By 3Down Staff -June 19, 2025
The Saskatchewan Roughriders will not be giving veteran running back Ka'Deem Carey a chance to exact revenge against the team that scorned him earlier this month.
The 32-year-old has been officially moved to the practice roster ahead of Friday's matchup with the Toronto Argonauts, who released him as part of final roster cuts on June 1. He ran for 26 yards and caught one pass for nine yards in his Riders debut last week, but has been bumped due to ratio concerns.
Carey rushed for 1,060 yards, caught 37 passes for 356 yards and scored eight touchdowns with the Argos in 2024, his first year with the team, while helping the Boatmen win a Grey Cup. He will receive his CFL championship ring on his trip to The Six but won't get a chance to prove the team made a mistake.
Canadian Thomas Bertrand-Hudon joins the roster to replace Carey after sitting out last week with a groin injury. He rushed 14 times for 57 yards and caught two passes for 17 more in the season-opener, scoring two touchdowns in a relief performance.
The Riders' change at running back was necessitated by the absence of Canadian receiver Samuel Emilus, who has been placed on the one-game injured list with a bad foot. The 27-year-old native of Montreal, Que. is currently Saskatchewan's second-leading receiver and has made 12 catches for 170 yards and one touchdown over two games.
American Joe Robustelli will fill Emilus' spot in the starting lineup. He appeared in one game last season, making two catches for 15 yards.
The Saskatchewan Roughriders (2-0) will visit the Toronto Argonauts (0-2) at BMO Field on Friday, June 20 with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/19/saskatchewan-roughriders-deny-rb-kadeem-carey-shot-at-revenge-against-argos/
An Argo win here would be epic. I don't think the Riders are as good as the media makes them out to be.
The Riders get to play against a pre-season team in Toronto. Here comes 3-0.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 20, 2025, 01:34:16 PMAn Argo win here would be epic. I don't think the Riders are as good as the media makes them out to be.
They're not, but the Argos are worse.
Quote from: Jesse on June 20, 2025, 10:55:41 PMThey're not, but the Argos are worse.
Much worse with Kelly and McMannis out. I don't see the Argos winning this one at all.
That Riders defense got Arbuckle looking like prime Payton Manning on the first drive.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 20, 2025, 11:46:48 PMThat Riders defense got Arbuckle looking like prime Payton Manning on the first drive.
But they immediately gave up the lead.
Quote from: Jesse on June 20, 2025, 11:56:33 PMBut they immediately gave up the lead.
Toronto looks bad this year. An interesting new look for Dinwiddie.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2025, 12:02:02 AMToronto looks bad this year. An interesting new look for Dinwiddie.
Couldn't happen to a nicer team.
Arbuckle sucks!
Argos starting WIL Kenneth George Jr. carted off the field after an illegal block. Sucks for Argos.
LB core is falling apart.
AGROS don't do anything right.
This game is weird.
The Riders are still dirty.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 21, 2025, 12:25:50 AMAGROS don't do anything right.
lirim isn't terrible
being stuffed on that play from the one was pretty bad.
oh boy. this one might be done. argos too beat up. when sask plays a real team it will look different
arbuckle - man o man they need Chad back in a huge way
Did Arbuckle spend the entire off season watching highlights of himself in the Grey Cup or something?
hahahaha. trevor
Man, the Riders could still blow this.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2025, 01:46:02 AMMan, the Riders could still blow this.
worst 2-0 team in the league
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 01:49:43 AMworst 2-0 team in the league
How many combined misconduct penalties have there been in this game? 8?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 21, 2025, 01:53:02 AMHow many combined misconduct penalties have there been in this game? 8?
242 penalty yards combined so far.
Quote from: gobombersgo on June 21, 2025, 01:55:19 AM242 penalty yards combined so far.
I know!! 8 misconduct penalties alone. It was posted that there was on average 12 penalties called in a game, I said that was light, how many have been called in this game?? Mid 1st quarter there was 6 called, then I got called away, anyone have the total # of flags thrown tonight??
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2025, 02:08:24 AMI know!! 8 misconduct penalties alone. It was posted that there was on average 12 penalties called in a game, I said that was light, how many have been called in this game?? Mid 1st quarter there was 6 called, then I got called away, anyone have the total # of flags thrown tonight??
Sask 15 penalties-143 yards
Tor 10-114
Here's another one.
So undisciplined.
hahahaha this is awesome
both these teams stink - it's so good
argos a man short on the kick off !!!
major stench
Argos with the stupidest play of the season, let's kick the ball to Alford with 11 seconds left and see if we can lose this game. Oh and by the way, we'll play a man short!!! Boneheaded play of 2025 x2!!
This is supposed to be a professional team, how do you send just 22 players out for a kick off, what is this high school JV football!?!
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2025, 02:36:53 AMArgos with the stupidest play of the season, let's kick the ball to Alford with 11 seconds left and see if we can lose this game. Oh and by the way, we'll play a man short!!! Boneheaded play of 2025 x2!!
with a man short !!
At least the game was entertaining.
Argos O line is pretty bad.
Riders might just crap yeh bed still...
My god the Argos BLOW!
Dinwiddie, what a joke.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 02:36:12 AMargos a man short on the kick off !!!
major stench
fire the ST coach what a complete joke.
Quote from: VictorRomano on June 21, 2025, 12:18:25 AMArgos starting WIL Kenneth George Jr. carted off the field after an illegal block. Sucks for Argos.
All of these low blocks have names. Why didn't Major name it? Lame.
Pretty sure the one they were referencing allows for that low block as long as the REC is within the tackles when the ball is snapped. And I's pretty sure he moved just to the inside of the box in time! And if not, he was outside the box by mere inches.
Maybe in the off-season it's time to make those illegal too. Maybe allow only 1 non-OL to make those blocks: the RB. RECs will be forbidden from doing what Busby did, no matter where they line up (unless lined up in the RB/TB position pre-snap).
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 01:42:48 AMarbuckle - man o man they need Chad back in a huge way
I don't get why TOR/Arbuckle is hucking 40Y balls. Why not stick to the scheme that worked great in the GC? The O is very similar. Just dink & dunk and throw the odd 20Y zone as your "deep" pass.
Someone is screwing up by calling these deep shots for INTs and batdowns.
Quote from: gobombersgo on June 21, 2025, 01:55:19 AM242 penalty yards combined so far.
They must mean
this season? Surely 2 teams can't have 242Y in 3Q of 1 game? While they got a ton of misconducts, those are only 10-15 each. So if there was like 8 at the time, that's only 80-120 or so.
That TOR player pegged the situation at the halftime interview: SSK purposely does things to goad you into taking UR/MC flags. You have to not bite. It looks like this'll be a major strategy of SSK this year, even more so than usual. WFC will have to be very disciplined when we face them. Refs aren't calling the goading / first hits, they are calling the later things that they actually see.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2025, 02:37:53 AMwith a man short !!
Alford KR TD worked only because of refs missing:
1. Obvious IB push from behind on SSK #42 right at the point of attack to start the run (this they usually see, oh well) (this one is not visible on replays)
2. Another takedown from behind (and hold) on SSK a little farther in the run, right at the point of attack
Very typical of SSK ST, this kind of illegal tactics. Year after year, they are the best team for ST cheating. Why not, what do they lose here? Worst case is they still go into OT. But it makes it really frustrating when playing them.
Refs should be quick to flag, and let the returning team challenge if they think there isn't IB. You can challenge a call, but they don't let you (yet) challenge a non-call.
I get my pick, but SSK gets 2 more points early in the season. I am sad we don't get to see the meltdown of SSK losing because of a Lauther miss, though.
SSK OC/Trevor doing strategic things again. Last week they threw all to strong side until 4th Q, then they went 90% to Johnson. This week they throw to weak side Meyers all night, and mostly ignore Johnson and the strong side.
What this tells me is they'll set up a favorite side / REC in each game, setting up the opponent to scheme for the wrong thing, then target the forgotten guy. (Ask me how I know: fantasy last week: Meyers, fantasy this week: Johnson, LOL.)
The moral of the story is don't fixate on the #1 REC from last week. In fact, I'd "ignore" the big guy last week, and guess who their main target will be this time.
SSK run game vastly improved from '24. AH33 (and Yoshi) making a massive difference. And so far Oullette more durable than Brady!
And SSK committing a lot more to the run. Maybe even more so than WPG, which is shocking.
Need to be sound stopping those run explosions and doing our thing of keeping most runs to 3-5Y.
TOR's D was horrible. Really bad. TOR's OL was also bad. A far cry from the team that beat us in the GC.
https://www.argonauts.ca/2025/06/20/ryan-dinwiddie-post-game-june-20-2025/
Dinwiddie is the next Kavis Reed. Says he's going to fire someone. Says his team took more penalty yards than they had O yards. Confirmed my spotting of the IB on the winning KR TD.
You know who's sitting back rubbing their hands? MTL. They are the big winner here. It's gonna be hard to get 3 games back compared to MTL later in the season.
Game 1 in TOR had decent attendance numbers (I'm remembering 14k?) for TOR. But this game the stands were more empty than EDM!
Math: It appeared the upper level was completely closed. BMO is 28k capacity. Figure 18k lower, 10k upper. So 18k area was open. It looked like maybe every 10th seat had someone. That's 1.8k attendance?
How on earth are they reporting 14k-ish attendance when quick eyeball math hints 1.8k, or if you bright-side it and say every 5th seat had someone, that's 3.6k?
Are they giving away 10k tickets, where no one at all shows up with them, and calling it 14k?
CFL needs 2 new stats:
1) Actual showed-up attendance (the computers can easily tell them how many scanned in the gates)
2) Paid seats: excluding giveaways or ultra-cheap (like $1-$5/ticket) near-giveaways.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 07:30:59 AMTOR's D was horrible. Really bad. TOR's OL was also bad. A far cry from the team that beat us in the GC.
https://www.argonauts.ca/2025/06/20/ryan-dinwiddie-post-game-june-20-2025/
Dinwiddie is the next Kavis Reed. Says he's going to fire someone. Says his team took more penalty yards than they had O yards. Confirmed my spotting of the IB on the winning KR TD.
You know who's sitting back rubbing their hands? MTL. They are the big winner here. It's gonna be hard to get 3 games back compared to MTL later in the season.
Dinwiddie just chucking guys under the bus after this game. Said someone was getting fired, talked about one of his guards only being 280 lbs and he "doesn't know what he did all season". Very much the anti-MOS.
I was just settling in expecting OT. Toronto had quite the comeback only to screw up royally. Only 11 on their K/O team in a critical situation.
So many penalties that were after the play and selfish. Yeah I think Dinwiddie just might cut someone outright. Argos are currently horrible and getting better anytime soon is debatable.
12 players on their 1 game IR but most were "DNP" this week so no help on the near horizon.
Argos' DB Kenneth George Jr. carted off with injury after illegal block from Riders' Dhel Duncan-Busby - 3DownNation https://share.google/CBv0yLcq6K30V62K7
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2025, 02:33:47 PMArgos' DB Kenneth George Jr. carted off with injury after illegal block from Riders' Dhel Duncan-Busby - 3DownNation https://share.google/CBv0yLcq6K30V62K7
A serious injury even worse when the result of an illegal block. I didn't see it so I'm not sure how blatant is was but it's very unfortunate. I hope George is able to recover quickly.
Pretty exciting game. Argos lost it on two plays. The kick return TD & failing to get a TD at the end of the first half. Other than that, they played the Riders pretty even. If Toronto is really that bad, then the Riders are too.
Wow! Toronto is lucky to field a team! They have a lot of crazy injuries. Arbuckle! A chance to earn a job, and he is terrible. How did they manage to beat the Bombers in the Grey Cup?
What a poor job the Bombers did on defense last year.
Sask looks well coached, and the game proved it. Now bring on a team with their number one guys, not missing ten former starters. Fun game to watch.
I hope everybody sees the closeup of the look of astonishment on the face of the Sask holder after the missed easy field goal by lauther.
That was top level camera work and anticipation by TSN.
It'll be a meme sometime today, and will be used for years.
Quote from: markf on June 21, 2025, 03:12:51 PMI hope everybody see the closeup of the look of astonishment on the face of the Sask holder after the missed easy field goal by lauther.
That was top level camera work and anticipation by TSN.
It'll be a meme sometime today, and will be used for years.
I think it was a "don't you dare blame that on me" look.
Quote from: bomb squad on June 21, 2025, 03:35:18 PMI think it was a "don't you dare blame that on me" look.
😂
Probably right
Dinwiddie is maaaad:
"I've never really got after those guys, this is the first time I've had to after a game. Pretty embarrassed by it. I thought it was selfish play, selfish penalties," Dinwiddie said after the game with fans at the BMO club watching. "I told those guys, 'Someone's going home tomorrow.' Heads are rolling. I ain't putting up with that stuff no more.
"I think that might open up some eyes. We gotta come and do the work. These guys are getting paid, this is their job. They need to come here with some purpose. It's coaches as well. It's not a good atmosphere right now. We'll get it fixed. We're men and we're pros, we get paid to do this, but I'm not happy right now."
Quote from: bomb squad on June 21, 2025, 03:35:18 PMI think it was a "don't you dare blame that on me" look.
For me, it was a straight pull by Lauther. He is a streaky kicker and they do not know what they will get from him game to game.
here is the condensed game - all the plays, replays on the big plays.
this one was so bad it was good...enjoy
https://youtu.be/AQCekVgMKc8?si=NzU-WfUOXNSH4MTM
What an absolute goof.
Haha we'll get a good measure on how good of a coach he really is this year. Easy to coach when you're winning. He inherited a good roster and has basically had one of the best teams every year he's coached. Until now, seems like.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 21, 2025, 02:37:53 PMA serious injury even worse when the result of an illegal block. I didn't see it so I'm not sure how blatant is was but it's very unfortunate. I hope George is able to recover quickly.
It was a marginal call, and only called after command saw the crippling and thus wanted to save face.
The REC can do that low block if he's between the tackles at the snap. He was literally within inches of being "within the tackles". I thought it was clean.
Of course, define "within the tackles" when it comes to a REC coming into the box...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2025, 01:04:44 AMIt was a marginal call, and only called after command saw the crippling and thus wanted to save face.
The REC can do that low block if he's between the tackles at the snap. He was literally within inches of being "within the tackles". I thought it was clean.
Of course, define "within the tackles" when it comes to a REC coming into the box...
He doesn't have to be within the tackles, he has to be within 3 yds of the offensive tackle, which he was.
Quote from: dd on June 22, 2025, 03:11:00 AMHe doesn't have to be within the tackles, he has to be within 3 yds of the offensive tackle, which he was.
Hmm, ya you're right, it's not the tackles, it's even looser: "between the tight ends or TE position". And that REC was 100% within that zone at the snap.
Ah, but there's a 2nd aspect: the block (hit) itself
must come within the TEs and within 2 yards on the team B side of the LoS.
But that too is not what occurs. The live shot is perfect because the LoS blue line is right on the 53 and the hit contact occurs right at the C line. That's exactly 2 yards! I guess someone could say they were 2 inches off? But you don't flag for that. So up/downfield aspect is clean.
The other aspect is was the hit
within the TEs, and it probably was because at the snap the left TE is lined up with the bottom of the A on the on-field logo. The hit takes place also right near the bottom of the A. It is close, but like the vertical aspect, you can't really measure inches here.
Also, see the behind the GP replay. Put your finger on the outside of where a TE is (or better yet the foot of the ref directly behind and lined up with him) and follow the slight camera pan if you can: the hit clearly takes place right at that same original TE line. Again, close, but no clear foul here.
It doesn't matter the whole box shifts right as per the play design. The "TE position" is set at the snap, not dependent on OL shifts post-snap 5s into the play. (Right?!)
I think the play was not a foul by the rule as it exists. I think command called a flag down because the D guy was clearly crippled by this and they want to look like they're "doing something" to protect players.
I think this should be changed into a penalty in the off-season. There's no reason for it, and clearly the D players often don't see it coming. Allow the hoggies, and RB lined up right near the QB to do it, but no one else.
I bet Busby feels bad about it and probably will reach out in some way. Even the dirty Riders aren't trying to cripple random LBers in the open field? They save that for their QB-eating DTs.
For my reference: 1Q0:39 Rule 4, Section 3, Article 4
P.S. They could possibly have instead thrown a UR under "Unnecessary physical contact, including ... diving into, cut blocking ... on a player who is: out of the play or should have not reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent before or after the ball is dead.
P.P.S. The RTP hit on Trevor on the very next snap was 100% retaliation. Nasty revenge.
Quite frankly that 'block' below or at the knees should be taken out of the game for player safety reasons.