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Ottawa Redblacks to start Matthew Shiltz, Charlie Ringland against Alouettes
By 3Down Staff -June 12, 2025
The Ottawa Redblacks will have two new players in the starting lineup when they host the Montreal Alouettes on Friday night.
Matthew Shiltz will start under centre in place of Dru Brown, who suffered a hip injury during last week's loss to the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Head coach Bob Dyce indicated this week that Brown's injury isn't expected to keep him out long term.
Shiltz dressed for 10 games with the Calgary Stampeders in 2024, going 0-2 as a starter. The 32-year-old product of Butler University completed 34-of-62 pass attempts for 438 yards, two touchdowns, and two interceptions while rushing 14 times for 133 yards and a score. He joined the Redblacks as a free agent in February.
The native of St. Charles, Ill. has thrown for 4,795 yards, 21 touchdowns, and 20 interceptions over seven CFL seasons as a member of the Alouettes, Tiger-Cats, and Stampeders. He has also rushed 115 times for 758 yards and five scores.
Ringland will make his first career CFL start at safety in place of Alonzo Addae, who has been ruled out for the year.
The six-foot-one, 198-pound defender dressed for nine games with the B.C. Lions last season, recording one special teams tackle. He was released by the team last month and immediately signed with the Redblacks.
The native of Winnipeg, Man. appeared in 38 collegiate games at the University of Saskatchewan, recording 97 total tackles, 15 pass knockdowns, four interceptions, three forced fumbles, and one fumble recovery.
The Redblacks aren't making any other changes to their starting lineup, though there are a few more roster moves. Simon Chaves will take over from the injured Peter Adjey at long snapper, while Canadian newcomers Luther Hakunavanhu and Dayton Black will dress in depth roles after joining the team earlier this week.
The Ottawa Redblacks (0-1) will host the Montreal Alouettes (1-0) at TD Place Stadium on Friday, June 13 with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/12/ottawa-redblacks-to-start-matthew-shiltz-charlie-ringland-against-alouettes/
Offensive starters Charleston Rambo, Nick Callender out for Montreal Alouettes vs. Redblacks
By 3Down Staff -June 12, 2025
The Montreal Alouettes will be without two offensive starters when they take on the Ottawa Redblacks on Friday night as boundary wideout Charleston Rambo and left tackle Nick Callender have both been ruled out.
Rambo practiced all week but has been placed on the suspended list after leaving the team for personal reasons. According to Didier Ormejuste of RDS, he is expected to return next week.
The 25-year-old native of Cedar Hill, Tex. made three catches for 36 yards in last week's season-opening win over the Toronto Argonauts. As a CFL rookie in 2024, he made 61 receptions for 808 yards and five touchdowns.
Callender has been placed on the one-game injured list after missing practice this week with a foot injury. The 30-year-old has started 55 of the 58 games he has played for the Alouettes since 2021, including last week, and has earned East Division all-star honours in each of the last two seasons.
Kick returner James Letcher Jr., who has caught just four passes for 21 yards in 22 career CFL games, will get the start at receiver in place of Rambo. Rookie Des Holmes will step in at left tackle and make his first career start. He attended training camp with the Redblacks in 2023 and 2024 but failed to make the final roster. American linebacker K.D. Davis will also come onto the roster in a backup capacity.
The Montreal Alouettes (1-0) will visit the Ottawa Redblacks (0-1) at TD Place Stadium on Friday, June 13 with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2025/06/12/offensive-starters-charleston-rambo-nick-callender-out-for-montreal-alouettes-vs-redblacks/
i hope ottawa can keep it close
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 07:16:12 PMi hope ottawa can keep it close
I wouldn't expect them to...
This officiating isn't very good.
Redblacks are almost a decent team.
they have to stop making simple mistakes for one.
This has been overall, a boring game.
Too bad it wasn't a closer game. I didn't mind it but yes not great. Not off tipped balls!
Yes Ottawa making a lot of mistakes.
During the 2024 CFL regular season there were 6 passes intercepted behind the line of scrimmage - 2 by Matthew Shiltz.
Last night Shiltz had 3 passes intercepted, all behind the line of scrimmage.
Ottawa played better than I expected. Kept it close into the 3rd, then Montreal took over.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on June 14, 2025, 02:15:52 PMDuring the 2024 CFL regular season there were 6 passes intercepted behind the line of scrimmage - 2 by Matthew Shiltz.
Last night Shiltz had 3 passes intercepted, all behind the line of scrimmage.
I still don't know why or how Shiltz is in the league still, he's had multiple opportunities to prove he can play at this level and all he does is confirm he shouldn't be on the field.
Ottawa needs to do a much better job at recruiting new talent, they will be league bottom feeders again this year, and they need a real head coach, Dice, like Shiltz has been given every opportunity under the sun to prove he is a head coach, but all he does is prove he isn't.
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2025, 03:57:27 PMI still don't know why or how Shiltz is in the league still, he's had multiple opportunities to prove he can play at this level and all he does is confirm he shouldn't be on the field.
Ottawa needs to do a much better job at recruiting new talent, they will be league bottom feeders again this year, and they need a real head coach, Dice, like Shiltz has been given every opportunity under the sun to prove he is a head coach, but all he does is prove he isn't.
Shiltz is a reliable backup who should be able to win 50% of the games he plays, don't know if he hits that mark but playing an experienced backup is better than playing an inexperienced one that has no chance of winning. Tyrie Adams has been with the RB's 3 years now, he's talented enough but has accomplished very little and Crumm seems to have plateaued as a competent SY QB for some reason, I originally thought he had the potential to be more as his skills are equal or better than Strev's.
I thought Crumm was the better of the 2, but still, if Schiltz struggles, you can't keep going to that dead horse, put Crumm in and see if he can get something going with his legs vs keep going with something that can't move the ball period. That's where Dyce has got to come in and try and ignite a spark on his club. He s nothing but a cheerleader on the sideline, no game planning ever going on.
so i learned something yesterday watching this game:
i knew that if a ball was tipped it negates a PI call if there was one...didn't know that if a qb's arm is hit and it impedes the ball's travel it is the same as if the ball is tipped.
Ottawa:
12 penalties.
4 turnovers. (3 int).
12 penalties.... Is that bad coaching? How is that possible?
Cfl average is 26 penalties per game, 2 teams so 13 per team per game. MOS runs a tight disciplined ship so we get about 7-8 per game or 2 flags per quarter and that's pretty darn good!!
Quote from: dd on June 16, 2025, 02:57:50 AMCfl average is 26 penalties per game, 2 teams so 13 per team per game. MOS runs a tight disciplined ship so we get about 7-8 per game or 2 flags per quarter and that's pretty darn good!!
In 2024, the average number of penalties per CFL game was
12.3 (s/b 13.65) total - not per team. It was the lowest number of penalties since the 1970s. 10+ years ago, the CFL average was 15-17 penalties per game.
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12 penalties per game, that is three penalties per quarter by both teams??, do you believe this statistic?? I don't. Offsides and holding penalties alone would be more than 1.5 flags per team per quarter, throw in the UR's and the passing interference penalties, there's way more than 12 flags again
I edited my previous post to 13.65 penalties per game.
I divided the total numbers of penalties by 90 games when it should have been 81 games. The final regular season game was game #90 but that total includes the 9 exhibition games.
Yes, I do believe the numbers.
Edmonton was the most penalized team in 2024 with 141 penalties (7.83 / game)
Winnipeg was the least penalized team in 2024 with 96 penalties (5.33 / game)
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Oh I see so the stats don't include penalties that were declined. I m going to pay closer attention this week and see how many actual plays were flagged and how many were accepted and how many were declined
The stat blocks that I posted have a note "(inc. decl)" so yes the official CFL stats DO include declined penalties. It is important to note this for a couple of reasons:
- Several post game and external stat blocks do not include them (American influence)
- It is important to differentiate from American football (NFL & NCAA) which does not include declined penalties in their totals
In 2024 there were 116 declined penalties during the regular season which works out to 1.43 per game.
Another significant difference between CFL and NFL/NCAA penalty totals is that the CFL includes offsetting penalties in its totals whereas American football does not.
Example: If there are offsetting unnecessary roughness penalties (personal fouls in NFL), the CFL would count that as 2 penalties for a total of 30 yards (15 each way). In American football, the penalties are listed as a footnote in the play-by-play but are not included in the penalty totals.
In American football, a penalty assessed to each team on the same play are considered offsetting resulting in the down being played over (no ball movement) regardless of the yardage assigned to each penalty. In the CFL, if there is a 10 yard holding penalty against the offence and a 5 yard offside against the defence, it would result in down repeated but moved 5 yards back. This thought process was one of the issues that messed with Genius when they provided their NCAA stats system to the CFL.
A couple of weird examples from the NFL:
- 1. There was a game last fall where there were 4 penalties on a play, 3 against the defence and 1 against the offence. They were just considered to be offsetting with the down repeated from the same line of scrimmage. The rules expert chimed in after it took 5 minutes to identify all the penalties and he declared that it was a waste of time. In the NFL, once there are offsetting penalties to be applied, just announce one each way and move on. This indicates that there are penalties that don't get called in the NFL for the sake of game flow.
In the CFL it is important to account for all penalties because the yardage does matter. Also, since Misconduct fouls were introduced a few years ago, it is important to account for each of these as 2 Misconduct fouls in the same game results in a disqualification.
- 2. There was a different game last fall where a receiver was drilled after he stepped out of bounds drawing a flag immediately. An offensive lineman then cruised the pile and flattened the defensive player who delivered the first hit. There were no penalties announced on the play and in this case the rules expert commended the officiating crew for doing so to maintain game flow. Another indication that the NFL does not account for all penalties.
Yes the NFL does have fewer penalties accounted for in their stats but in reality the totals likely tip in favour of the CFL.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on June 16, 2025, 05:58:32 PMIn 2024, the average number of penalties per CFL game was 12.3 (s/b 13.65) total - not per team. It was the lowest number of penalties since the 1970s. 10+ years ago, the CFL average was 15-17 penalties per game.
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Just re watched the bomber vs bc 1st quarter, 6 flags were thrown. That means only 6 more for the rest of the game, it's not going to happen . I ll rewatch the entire game and guarantee it's over 20 for the game
3Q5:54 The fact they have to stop the game and have a ref run to the sideline to chat with the HC and waste 60s of everyone's time for no reason just to comply with the incredibly dumb and useless DNA/DNS rule proves once and for all it should be scrapped.
(Dyce beind warned Stanback has been in for nearly his 25 plays.)
If you want to keep this dumb rule, then at least find a better way to notify the HC. Maybe allow the spotter to call down directly to the HCs or their coordinators, during normal game time (i.e. clock running).
Quote from: J5V on June 14, 2025, 01:43:19 AMThis officiating isn't very good.
3Q3:12 The DPI challenge: there is no rule that mentions or relates to "
trajectory of the ball was impacted due to a hit on the QB" (I checked). Command and Ben just made that up out of their
butts.
To me that was DPI, even though the DB did it so well and so early it's hard to pin it down precisely on the film. (Well played by him, if a bit cheaty.)
What command should have said, to appear to have a brain, is the old "uncatchable ball" exception. Even if not touched, the REC maybe doesn't get back to that ball. I think he could have made a play for it and been close, but that's just my opinion.
The REC and Dyce who are right there watching it know what happened, and they are adamant. I agree with them.
(That the next play gets them the TD anyhow doesn't diminish the need for command to not make things up.)
There were 2 horsecollars called early in this game. I don't think either was an HC? I think they were both committed by the same guy. The second time he was pretty adamant he didn't HC him.
In full speed it does look like HC as the REC is dragged down backwards from behind.
But both times it seems the tackler has his hands fully over the shoulder and pulling the actually shoulder from the front. There is no hand inside the collar around the neck, as the rule requires (when it's not on the numbers or back collar). There is no jersey tug/movement.
We've seen these uncalled before, even when it looks like HC. Command should correct these things.
P.S. I never knew this, but there is no penalty called "horsecollar" in the rule book. In fact, no mention of the word "horse" at all. It's just yet another subsection of UR. And it's very specific as to what constitutes a "HC": and the optics (i.e. "being pulled back") has nothing to do with it. It's all about tackler hand placement / pull point.
4Q4:53 Real nasty blindside block right at the point of contact by the ball carrier goes uncalled. It's easy to spot because the OL doing it is doing the ol' hands up in the air "I'm innocent" routine.
And this one was forceable... and the guy hit probably makes that tackle on the carrier.
The fact that they called the rarest of gems crackback block on us last game but miss this obvious, and way simpler to spot, blindside, is laughable. I can spot 3 refs staring straight at it, LOL.
Proulx > Major.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2025, 11:44:43 PMso i learned something yesterday watching this game:
i knew that if a ball was tipped it negates a PI call if there was one...didn't know that if a qb's arm is hit and it impedes the ball's travel it is the same as if the ball is tipped.
That's because it's not. They just made it up. Maybe command was calling it from the local bar and had one too many?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 14, 2025, 04:32:58 PMShiltz is a reliable backup who should be able to win 50% of the games he plays
Shiltz has never been a 50%. He's more like a 25%. That's why he's dropped by every team. He's like a bad version of Kevin Glenn.
Strev is a 50%, and clearly Strev is miles better than Shiltz.
That said, no QB would have played well behind that OL and with that awful running game. Hideous. Dru's gonna get IR'd a lot this season methinks.
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2025, 03:57:27 PMI still don't know why or how Shiltz is in the league still, he's had multiple opportunities to prove he can play at this level and all he does is confirm he shouldn't be on the field.
Because we're still in a QB-deprived state as a league. There are barely enough good starting QBs, let alone ones that can win you games as the backup.
Heck, last year even (the much-vaunted, dynasty)
WFC was down to Wilson as the #2, and look how that went in the GC.
Quote from: TBURGESS on June 14, 2025, 02:25:33 PMOttawa played better than I expected. Kept it close into the 3rd, then Montreal took over.
OTT D stepped up in that middle 2 Qs. They laid some pain on MTL's O, so there's that. OTT O never really got anything going, as they are suffering from Claybrooks/BC/M.Reilly syndrome (no OL plus top RECs equals bupkis).
Quote from: Stats Junkie on June 14, 2025, 02:15:52 PMLast night Shiltz had 3 passes intercepted, all behind the line of scrimmage.
I've never before witnessed as many tips (let alone tips for INTs) in one game. They for sure must be drilling trying to jab up when doing "batdowns". This can't be just by chance. We should emulate.
Also, never seen a team sus out the screen as well as MTL. We should totally scheme fake screens on them where we then drop it into the vacated flat. It's easy to setup a fake screen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 17, 2025, 07:42:34 AMShiltz has never been a 50%. He's more like a 25%. That's why he's dropped by every team. He's like a bad version of Kevin Glenn.
Strev is a 50%, and clearly Strev is miles better than Shiltz.
That said, no QB would have played well behind that OL and with that awful running game. Hideous. Dru's gonna get IR'd a lot this season methinks.
Desjarlais has been in Ottawa since 2023, you'd think they could have built a decent O-line around him in that time. If they're struggling to protect, the fastest way out is to increase the number of Imports until they attain stability. If they can't keep Brown healthy this season, everybody in the house is going to lose their jobs.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 17, 2025, 04:20:24 PMDesjarlais has been in Ottawa since 2023, you'd think they could have built a decent O-line around him in that time. If they're struggling to protect, the fastest way out is to increase the number of Imports until they attain stability. If they can't keep Brown healthy this season, everybody in the house is going to lose their jobs.
They won't keep him healthy and yes, a long overdue house cleaning is coming. Should have happened this off season.
Against Sask Their centre moved over to double team someone and just let Sask no 6, who was loitering...
Blast straight into Dru. No running back to help either.
Then He did the same thing when Shilz was qb.
They're going to be down to crumbs soon.
It's like Willie with the Bombers.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 17, 2025, 06:43:22 AM3Q5:54 The fact they have to stop the game and have a ref run to the sideline to chat with the HC and waste 60s of everyone's time for no reason just to comply with the incredibly dumb and useless DNA/DNS rule proves once and for all it should be scrapped.
(Dyce beind warned Stanback has been in for nearly his 25 plays.)
If you want to keep this dumb rule, then at least find a better way to notify the HC. Maybe allow the spotter to call down directly to the HCs or their coordinators, during normal game time (i.e. clock running).
Why are they warning them at all?
No one warns them if someone lines up offside, or if they have too many men, or if they have no end... wait until they exceed the number of snaps and assess the penalty of an ineligible player on field or whatever the penalty is.
No need to hold the coaches hand on this, the TEAM needs to track and follow the rules.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 17, 2025, 06:36:20 PMWhy are they warning them at all?
I agree, except it's written into the rules, pretty plainly and clearly. But you are right, and there's an even better example: the "starters ratio". Teams have to keep track of their own ratio and DI subs. I'm not even sure spotters track that in real time (but I think they study it post-game and fine/punish). So why not the 25-snap situation?
What I find funniest about the situation with Dyce is he seemed to have zero clue whatsoever that Stanback was getting close to his 25 limit!! You'd think the team would at least have a feel for how close they are getting!
Scrap the rule.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 17, 2025, 07:44:42 AMBecause we're still in a QB-deprived state as a league. There are barely enough good starting QBs, let alone ones that can win you games as the backup.
Heck, last year even (the much-vaunted, dynasty) WFC was down to Wilson as the #2, and look how that went in the GC.
I wouldn't say we're QB-deprived. It's just an incredibly hard position to play. Even millions of dollars and the best scouts, coaches and development teams that money can buy doesn't do it.
Here's some recent examples: Browns (Watson/Winston), Giants (Jones/DeVito), Panthers (Young), Jets (Rodgers, lol), Titans (Levis/Rudolph), Patriots (Jones/Zappe).
And if you look at trend lines in that league you find annually, you've got around 8 very good/elite starters, 10-14 average to slightly below average guys and then 8-12 poor or struggling teams. The CFL broadly and generally speaking follows a comparable trendline with probably more volatility given the smaller number of teams.
I also think we are not QB deprived. Every team has a legit starter on their roster.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 19, 2025, 03:12:26 PMI wouldn't say we're QB-deprived. It's just an incredibly hard position to play. Even millions of dollars and the best scouts, coaches and development teams that money can buy doesn't do it.
Here's some recent examples: Browns (Watson/Winston), Giants (Jones/DeVito), Panthers (Young), Jets (Rodgers, lol), Titans (Levis/Rudolph), Patriots (Jones/Zappe).
And if you look at trend lines in that league you find annually, you've got around 8 very good/elite starters, 10-14 average to slightly below average guys and then 8-12 poor or struggling teams. The CFL broadly and generally speaking follows a comparable trendline with probably more volatility given the smaller number of teams.
don't be laughing at Rodgers, he is leading my Stillers to a Super Bowl and he owns your Bears...
Just want to acknowledge and thank the posters who are doing these game day threads and also putting in the depth charts. Has made my viewing experience much better being able to quickly come here during games to check on injury adjustments and such. Kudos!
Quote from: The Zipp on June 19, 2025, 05:02:13 PMdon't be laughing at Rodgers, he is leading my Stillers to a Super Bowl and he owns your Bears...
Laughing is the only thing that helps ;D
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 19, 2025, 05:40:24 PMLaughing is the only thing that helps ;D
Reddit NFL discussions about Aaron, are quite entertaining. American football fans are "elite" when it comes to mockery.
Overall , they hate him.
Should be a great Reddit comedy NFL season with Aaron playing for the new Jeff Fisher. Mr. "Never had a losing season"
Quote from: markf on June 19, 2025, 05:49:38 PMReddit NFL discussions about Aaron, are quite entertaining. American football fans are "elite" when it comes to mockery.
Overall , they hate him.
Should be a great Reddit comedy NFL season with Aaron playing for the new Jeff Fisher. Mr. "Never had a losing season"
the facts are there Tomlin hasn't had a losing season in 18 seasons as a head coach. rodgy is going to deliver this season just wait and see.
Quote from: Waffler on June 19, 2025, 04:02:35 PMI also think we are not QB deprived. Every team has a legit starter on their roster.
We really are, and have been for a while.
Not-starter-material yet actual starters (ignoring IR QBs!):
Ford
BLM
Including the current IR situation, add in:
Masoli
Arbuckle
Schiltz
Crum
Strev(? -- I'm biased, I think he could start, but many don't)
And what I mean here is probably won't last the year as starter, will get pulled many times, etc. So BLM who was the best starter in the last 12 years is in the list because he's not that
anymore.
So 2 of 9 teams (22%) don't have a legit franchise starter starting. Add in the injury teams and once again we are a league strapped for QBs (still). And it's been a problem for at least 4 seasons.
If you think I'm wrong, ask yourself, if someone offered HAM or EDM a straight trade, at the same cap hit, either Zach/Alexander/Kelly/VAJ for their guy, wouldn't they jump at the deal?
The present looks ok to me. Lots of years we have wondered where the next starters are coming from.
random year as example 2013: 41 year old Calvillo (his last year and it was a partial one), Max Hall. Thomas Demarco. All starters for their team.
Quote from: Waffler on June 20, 2025, 02:11:04 PMThe present looks ok to me. Lots of years we have wondered where the next starters are coming from.
random year as example 2013: 41 year old Calvillo (his last year and it was a partial one), Max Hall. Thomas Demarco. All starters for their team.
Plenty of QB's have come and gone in the last 10 years that have not lived up to their potential or billing.
Masoli, Dane Evans, Jennings, Franklin, Tyrie Adams, Caleb Evans, Tre Ford.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 20, 2025, 05:01:22 PMPlenty of QB's have come and gone in the last 10 years that have not lived up to their potential or billing.
Masoli, Dane Evans, Jennings, Franklin, Tyrie Adams, Caleb Evans, Tre Ford.
Tyrie intrigues me. What is the deal with him? He just oozes athleticism.
Quote from: bomb squad on June 20, 2025, 06:20:33 PMTyrie intrigues me. What is the deal with him? He just oozes athleticism.
It appears he can't read a defence.
Quote from: Waffler on June 20, 2025, 02:11:04 PMThe present looks ok to me. Lots of years we have wondered where the next starters are coming from.
I'm not saying it's a new thing! CFL has often struggled with having enough quality QBs to "go around". And once you fill all the starting spots, then teams want to fill the backup spot, and usually with guys that can still win games!
The situation should look mostly ok this season if QB injuries stay away, especially once Kelly returns. But if we start to get the massive QB injuries like in previous years, we'll be back to glaringly bad QB play on many teams.
Perhaps it would help if there was more SMS to pay backup QBs... Often old guys like Masoli, BLM, could be kept in the league longer as backups for dire injury situations. Right now when they drop off as #1, they usually quit because the money stinks (and their ego). You'd also be able to keep more of the Dane Evans type who are more than decent but no one wants to start. That guy should have been a backup for 5 more years.
Quote from: bomb squad on June 20, 2025, 06:20:33 PMTyrie intrigues me. What is the deal with him? He just oozes athleticism.
He's dumb as a stump when it comes to reading defenses and where to go with the ball. He's never had to develop that skill because he just ran and made plays. Well that's over now, you can't read your defense and make plays, you're done. Edmonton will stick with him because they just signed him for 3 years, massive mistake and they're going to pay for it with losses and lost games
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2025, 04:13:44 AMHe's dumb as a stump when it comes to reading defenses and where to go with the ball. He's never had to develop that skill because he just ran and made plays. Well that's over now, you can't read your defense and make plays, you're done. Edmonton will stick with him because they just signed him for 3 years, massive mistake and they're going to pay for it with losses and lost games
I think you're thinking Tre Ford? Not Tyrie Adams. I think Tyrie is in OTT?
However, given what I've seen of Adams so far, your analysis might still be valid!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2025, 05:00:04 AMI think you're thinking Tre Ford? Not Tyrie Adams. I think Tyrie is in OTT?
However, given what I've seen of Adams so far, your analysis might still be valid!
Hmm. That's just it. We haven't seen very much of him. If I recall correctly, he won his first start a couple of years ago and then got injured. I think that's the main thing that's slowed his progress. If Crum and Shiltz struggle again today, we might see him to get another shot. We just don't hear much of what goes on with eastern teams for some reason.