Okay I have commented elsewhere that I thought Strev looked great in preseason, and I was cautiously optimistic that he would surprise with his arm today. I think he did - 3 touchdown passes were not likely expected by anyone.
However, there is something else I noticed today being there live. With handoffs - at times he would try to sell that he was carrying and run opposite. But more often, I really noticed as soon as he handed the ball off he would then run upfield and and try to throw blocks for the runner. I even noticed at one point he tried to run ahead, saw the runner was ahead and backed of but then came around and tried to throw whatever blocks he could to help move the play.
I don't remember seeing that from other QB's in CFL - rather, do the sell that you didn't hand it off.
It was a bit reminiscent of Favre with the Vikings. At least that is the best example I can remember of a QB rushing ahead and blocking for the RB.
Anyone else notice this?
Ya Strev does a few different things to mess up the D. And he'll do them all with either a keep or a handoff, so not only do they have to guess the play, but which player has the ball.
1. Run right behind the RB. (Does guy #1 or #2 have it? Who do you tackle?)
2. Run 1 or 2 gaps over behind the RB (i.e. close). (Which carrier do you run to?)
3. Run perpendicular to the RB. (Keep contain or crash into the box?)
And ya, on some of those plays Strev can start getting downfield to block once the D sniffs out the ball. It's precisely the same playbook that worked so well in '19. Buck ignored it completely after Strev returned. Hogan's reviving the magic.
I did think he'd run a bit more but that increases the risk of injury. The Lions might have thought that as well and that may have opened up the passing game more.
He did a great job but he has such an odd throwing motion. His accuracy has improved but I was a bit concerned he was not looking off the defence a few times and telegraphing throws.
Regardless. He showed progress and ability to win against a good team.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 13, 2025, 01:35:57 PMHe showed progress and ability to win against a good team.
This right here. He silenced a lot of critics with his performance last night, IMO.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 13, 2025, 01:37:28 PMThis right here. He silenced a lot of critics with his performance last night, IMO.
We might see him rotate at QB at times even when Collaros returns. He brings a different option and threat than Collaros. There should be less hesitation if the offence isn't clicking entirely to use him.
I'm not suggesting a 2 QB system with frequent substitution but wouldn't ignore giving Collaros a breather every now and then. We need to keep Streveler involved because we never know when he HAS to play part of a game etc.
If he goes back tp the SY, stay in for first down package, that can be very effective.
Even just subbing in for the last series before the half can give Colaros an extra long breather before teh second half.
It was an impressive performance by the QB he threw with nice accuracy and touch.
I'm happy for Strev.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 13, 2025, 01:37:28 PMThis right here. He silenced a lot of critics with his performance last night, IMO.
I hope so. The guy has been underrated for his entire career.
It's almost dogma.... "Strev can't throw"
It was never true.
Edit saw this at 3 down
Dalton Schoen re Streveler:
" We know he's a great player and he can make those throws."
Quote from: markf on June 13, 2025, 02:03:49 PMI hope so. The guy has been underrated for his entire career.
It's almost dogma.... "Strev can't throw"
It was never true.
I think it's true to a point. Strev needs an offensive coordinator who is going to design an offence for him to be successful. We saw his best plays coming off a bootleg which caught the defence going the wrong way and left WRs wide open.
The short quick passes into traffic were often batted down or almost intercepted still.
This was also a one game sample size where the Lions were clearly expecting a different version of Streveler, so it's hard to suddenly make sweeping declarations that he's suddenly become this high level passer despite a lot of evidence to the contrary.
Regardless, I think Buck Pierce was not a good match for Strev for one reason or another and Hogan seems a much better fit.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 02:41:39 PMI think it's true to a point. Strev needs an offensive coordinator who is going to design an offence for him to be successful.
I suppose, but
Isn't that true of most CFL quarterbacks?
Fajardo won a Grey Cup for instance. He might not be known as a very accurate long ball passer.
Anyway, I'm a streveler fan.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 02:41:39 PMI think it's true to a point. Strev needs an offensive coordinator who is going to design an offence for him to be successful.
I don't think Pierce ever got a firm grasp on Streveler's skill set, much less how to use it effectively within his system.
It's a tiny sample size, but Hogan appears to have figured it out.
And that performance should be a huge boost to Streveler's confidence (not that he needs it) going forward.
Quote from: markf on June 13, 2025, 02:43:53 PMI suppose, but
Isn't that true of most CFL quarterbacks?
Fajardo won a Grey Cup for instance. He might not be known as a very accurate long ball passer.
Anyway, I'm a streveler fan.
Fajardo is another good example of someone we've seen look really really terrible and then comes out of no where and performs better than he rightfully should sometimes.
There's a tier of player that comes in and just makes the coach look good. I don't think Strev or Fajardo are in that tier.
There's also a tier of coach that designs his offence around his players, not the other way around. We saw Younger be that kind of coach for our defence last year. I don't think we can put Pierce in that tier. But maybe Hogan is.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 03:10:48 PMThere's also a tier of coach that designs his offence around his players, not the other way around. We saw Younger be that kind of coach for our defence last year. I don't think we can put Pierce in that tier. But maybe Hogan is.
Amen.
It should be fun watching the Bombers Defence being different this season from last season.
I won't be surprised if Younger goes to the NFL one of these years.
Pierce vs. Streveler < Lapo + Streveler.
Not sure if Pierce's QB playing time as a battling QB made his question Streveler's ability, or maybe even (just conjecture) envy them? Or his sideline coaching not being able to utilize and adapt as well as in the booth.
Hogan seems to have embraced the Lapo use of Streveler.
All in all, Streveler 2025 has matured nicely into this offence, and I look forward to his use going forward, especially with the opportunity for load management for our veteran top pivot.
I have to admit, it wasn't the prettiest game I've seen from a QB, there were a lot of "Whattt?" throws, and ineffective scrambles I would have expected more on from CS17, but there is no debating he can make plays and he has the fire. That one late hit by Betts where he chased him to the sidelines while Betts ran away was quite funny, and 100% Streveler.
I think everyone in Bomberland feels a lot better going forward with Streveler at #2. Wilson was perfect at SY. I wonder if we can keep Chase in camp on the IR or PR, I think he has a certain something I want to see more of.
Strev played like he has been practicing. Got the ball out quick, some good reads, and some nice throws. Still has the ugliest throwing motion in football. I don't think we will see him run like he use to, a noticeable hitch/limp and the knee brace. However I think he showed he has made some improvements to his game, and will be a nice backup for ZC8. I don't see him running the SY now.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 02:41:39 PMI think it's true to a point. Strev needs an offensive coordinator who is going to design an offence for him to be successful. We saw his best plays coming off a bootleg which caught the defence going the wrong way and left WRs wide open.
The short quick passes into traffic were often batted down or almost intercepted still.
This was also a one game sample size where the Lions were clearly expecting a different version of Streveler, so it's hard to suddenly make sweeping declarations that he's suddenly become this high level passer despite a lot of evidence to the contrary.
Regardless, I think Buck Pierce was not a good match for Strev for one reason or another and Hogan seems a much better fit.
Agree with this view, Strev did well, but he pulled a rabbit out of his hat unexpectedly, if and when he plays again this season DC's will be looking for that rabbit and know what he's going to do with it. He's now an adequate QB, maybe he can grow and get better but playing time will be limited, so who knows. He gives the Bombers better security if Zach goes down but with Collaros signing an extension through next season, it's not worth speculating on Strev's future beyond this year.
On the post game, they were talking about major knee reconstruction. While you may be able to play this quick, you won't be back to 100% for another year.
If this was not 100%, and he can/will get better and more mobile, he may start having people think he can be a starter in this league. Even Bomber fans ;) .
I don't think Streveler's performance last night is akin to a magic trick.
It looks more like causation to me. Hogan seems to better understand what Streveler's strengths and weaknesses are, and more importantly how to maximize the former while minimizing the latter.
I'm really looking forward to what Hogan has planned with Collaros returning to the line-up for week 3.
I'm not hung up on his throwing motion. It's the results that count. IMO, he gets enough velocity, trajectory, and accuracy to get the job done at the pro level. At 30, I don't think he's ever had the chance to develop his passing skills yet. He can still improve with playing time. And then there's his running ability which speaks for itself.
Dieter Brock had an odd side arm throwing motion. Henry Burris had a very high delivery. Look at other sports. Strange swings in golf, like Palmer, Bubba Watson, and the current number one player, Scottie Scheffler. How about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with his skyhook. All very successful athletes, with unorthodox mechanics.
Quote from: bomb squad on June 13, 2025, 05:26:54 PMI'm not hung up on his throwing motion. It's the results that count. IMO, he gets enough velocity, trajectory, and accuracy to get the job done at the pro level. At 30, I don't think he's ever had the chance to develop his passing skills yet. He can still improve with playing time. And then there's his running ability which speaks for itself.
Dieter Brock had an odd side arm throwing motion. Henry Burris had a very high delivery. Look at other sports. Strange swings in golf, like Palmer, Bubba Watson, and the current number one player, Scottie Scheffler. How about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with his skyhook. All very successful athletes, with unorthodox mechanics.
Brock had the strongest arm in the CFL. In fact he used to practice during the off season throwing heavy cannonballs like a football.
Streveler has a strong arm but he does have odd mechanics.
Funny thing.
Much as Rourke gets all the accolades for his NFL stint, Streveler had a much longer and more successful NFL career.
Speaking of NFL, we still have Elgersma to consider in this equation.
Quote from: bomb squad on June 13, 2025, 05:26:54 PMI'm not hung up on his throwing motion. It's the results that count. IMO, he gets enough velocity, trajectory, and accuracy to get the job done at the pro level. At 30, I don't think he's ever had the chance to develop his passing skills yet. He can still improve with playing time. And then there's his running ability which speaks for itself.
Dieter Brock had an odd side arm throwing motion. Henry Burris had a very high delivery. Look at other sports. Strange swings in golf, like Palmer, Bubba Watson, and the current number one player, Scottie Scheffler. How about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with his skyhook. All very successful athletes, with unorthodox mechanics.
Strevs bronco busting days are over, didn't have much success running the ball last season and now he's dragging around a damaged leg. Time for him to grow up and see if he can become a real QB that only runs when he has the opportunity to slide.
Streveler really proved doubters wrong last night. I questioned his ability to play the position but you can't really go out and fake what he did last night. He belongs and I think somewhat surprisingly, he's putting it all together. I'm significantly happier about our QB room now. Most impressively, although the defense played great, it wasn't a case of taking advantage of short fields. Streveler led that offense on long drives from deep in our end over and over to win the game. I'm a believer.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2025, 05:54:32 PMStreveler really proved doubters wrong last night. I questioned his ability to play the position but you can't really go out and fake what he did last night. He belongs and I think somewhat surprisingly, he's putting it all together. I'm significantly happier about our QB room now. Most impressively, although the defense played great, it wasn't a case of taking advantage of short fields. Streveler led that offense on long drives from deep in our end over and over to win the game. I'm a believer.
I don't know if I would hang the great tag on the D just yet. There was some breakdown in the secondary. Parker also got out muscled by a big receiver. But, it was the first game for a new group so expected some breakdowns. I did like Youngers more aggressive front 7. As a whole there was to many penalties. Need to clean that up.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2025, 05:54:32 PMStreveler really proved doubters wrong last night. I questioned his ability to play the position but you can't really go out and fake what he did last night. He belongs and I think somewhat surprisingly, he's putting it all together. I'm significantly happier about our QB room now. Most impressively, although the defense played great, it wasn't a case of taking advantage of short fields. Streveler led that offense on long drives from deep in our end over and over to win the game. I'm a believer.
i thought tsn commentators had a great point when they complimented Hogan on letting Strev roll out more, hes more confident, sees the field better and cuts down the reads he can make.
That said he still has to make the plays which he did.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 13, 2025, 06:18:38 PMI don't know if I would hang the great tag on the D just yet. There was some breakdown in the secondary. Parker also got out muscled by a big receiver. But, it was the first game for a new group so expected some breakdowns. I did like Youngers more aggressive front 7. As a whole there was to many penalties. Need to clean that up.
I think they played a great game. They had a wonderfully dominant first half. I saw very few true breakdowns. Guys will always occasionally get beat in one-on-ones down the field and when their eyes are in the wrong spot but Parker on that play you are referring to, was in the right spot which is 95% of the job. Concerning is seeing guys loose in coverage. That happened very infrequently last night which for week one defense is exactly what you want.
Quote from: bomb squad on June 13, 2025, 05:26:54 PMI'm not hung up on his throwing motion. It's the results that count. IMO, he gets enough velocity, trajectory, and accuracy to get the job done at the pro level. At 30, I don't think he's ever had the chance to develop his passing skills yet. He can still improve with playing time. And then there's his running ability which speaks for itself.
Dieter Brock had an odd side arm throwing motion. Henry Burris had a very high delivery. Look at other sports. Strange swings in golf, like Palmer, Bubba Watson, and the current number one player, Scottie Scheffler. How about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with his skyhook. All very successful athletes, with unorthodox mechanics.
And Jake Maier has a very nice throwing motion.
whats his w/l Record.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2025, 06:31:54 PMI think they played a great game. They had a wonderfully dominant first half. I saw very few true breakdowns. Guys will always occasionally get beat in one-on-ones down the field and when their eyes are in the wrong spot but Parker on that play you are referring to, was in the right spot which is 95% of the job. Concerning is seeing guys loose in coverage. That happened very infrequently last night which for week one defense is exactly what you want.
they were agressive and on a number of occasions knocked the ball out the receiver's hands or just before he caught it.
there was a chance for this game to look a bit different if Masoli can connect with Hatcher who was well behind coverage. would have made it a one score game with under 2 minutes left. i think we would have still won but in the CFL you never know.
Hatcher is a very good player and they will make plays - we aren't going to get shut outs every game. defence played excellent for their first game together.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 07:15:00 PMthey were agressive and on a number of occasions knocked the ball out the receiver's hands or just before he caught it.
there was a chance for this game to look a bit different if Masoli can connect with Hatcher who was well behind coverage. would have made it a one score game with under 2 minutes left. i think we would have still won but in the CFL you never know.
Hatcher is a very good player and they will make plays - we aren't going to get shut outs every game. defence played excellent for their first game together.
Totally. That one was right in front of me last night. One of the few really rookie mistakes that was super noticeable anyway. Up two scores, you can't get beat deep with the time that was left on the clock. Giving up a 15 yard out is probably okay in that scenario. Also is potentially a call Younger might want back, you really also don't want to put your rookie corner in that position late in a game with what looked like no help to that side of the field over the top. Maybe just a case of mental fatigue from a guy who played a good game and is getting used to the CFL too. Super correctable and coachable either way.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 13, 2025, 06:18:38 PMI don't know if I would hang the great tag on the D just yet. There was some breakdown in the secondary. Parker also got out muscled by a big receiver. But, it was the first game for a new group so expected some breakdowns. I did like Youngers more aggressive front 7. As a whole there was to many penalties. Need to clean that up.
Disagree, I'll hang the great tag on the D. Been great for years and that has continued. Younger plus Hall and our depth = great D imo.
All teams have players that will beat our guys on occasion, but overall we can shut most teams down imo. Bridges will continue to develop. Parker will be fine.
Strev proved me wrong, I bet on BC. Strev has looked fantastic. Proved so many wrong. Statement game. Needs another handful to cement the fact he can throw effectively but a great 1st step. He had a lot of poise in the pocket.
I loved Streveler's performance last night, and he exceeded my expectations. He's a gamer, a leader, and bleeds Blue and Gold.
But...he threw into traffic on multiple occasions and multiple completions were to wide-open receivers. He threw 1 pick and could have easily had a couple more had the BC DB's been able to catch. I closed my eyes and held my breath a few times, and multiple fans around me were shaking their heads with some of his decisions.
I'd call myself a "Streveler-realist" (as opposed to a "doubter"). In my opinion, he has the ability to create havoc and causes confusion for the defence because he could choose to run the ball himself. This somewhat compensates for his skill as a pure passer. Put this together, and you've got a decent short-term backup QB that you want in your dressing room for his leadership. But I don't see him as a legit QB1, and I wouldn't want Zach losing any snaps to try to get more mileage out of Strev.
Terry Wilson seems to have a real knack for running the short yardage offence. Honestly, I think he might be better at it right now than Strev.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2025, 05:54:32 PMStreveler really proved doubters wrong last night. I questioned his ability to play the position but you can't really go out and fake what he did last night. He belongs and I think somewhat surprisingly, he's putting it all together. I'm significantly happier about our QB room now. Most impressively, although the defense played great, it wasn't a case of taking advantage of short fields. Streveler led that offense on long drives from deep in our end over and over to win the game. I'm a believer.
Yes he did. He played a great game and is a legit #2 Qb. I m hoping we can get him more reps than the token short yardage play and risk him getting hurt. Man, wish we would have had Strev in the Grey Cup playing like he did last night, we all know what the outcome would have been. He seems to just jack up everyone around him and we roll over teams
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 13, 2025, 10:27:23 PMI loved Streveler's performance last night, and he exceeded my expectations. He's a gamer, a leader, and bleeds Blue and Gold.
But...he threw into traffic on multiple occasions and multiple completions were to wide-open receivers. He threw 1 pick and could have easily had a couple more had the BC DB's been able to catch. I closed my eyes and held my breath a few times, and multiple fans around me were shaking their heads with some of his decisions.
I'd call myself a "Streveler-realist" (as opposed to a "doubter"). In my opinion, he has the ability to create havoc and causes confusion for the defence because he could choose to run the ball himself. This somewhat compensates for his skill as a pure passer. Put this together, and you've got a decent short-term backup QB that you want in your dressing room for his leadership. But I don't see him as a legit QB1, and I wouldn't want Zach losing any snaps to try to get more mileage out of Strev.
Terry Wilson seems to have a real knack for running the short yardage offence. Honestly, I think he might be better at it right now than Strev.
To be fair this was Strev's first game in a very long time, I've been critical of his skillset myself, but I don't think we can fully evaluate his future potential based on this one game, he surprised a lot of people with his play. I don't know how he's going to evolve or if he'll ever be given the chance to do so in Wpg or elsewhere. He may go down in CFL history as little more than a fiery backup QB with a lot of heart that helped the Bombers win a GC or two. OTOH if Jackson invests time in him and they give him sufficient playing time to develop, he may be ready to take over from Zach in 2027.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 14, 2025, 02:10:48 AMTo be fair this was Strev's first game in a very long time, I've been critical of his skillset myself, but I don't think we can fully evaluate his future potential based on this one game, he surprised a lot of people with his play. I don't know how he's going to evolve or if he'll ever be given the chance to do so in Wpg or elsewhere. He may go down in CFL history as little more than a fiery backup QB with a lot of heart that helped the Bombers win a GC or two. OTOH if Jackson invests time in him and they give him sufficient playing time to develop, he may be ready to take over from Zach in 2027.
I agree - but I wouldn't say it is just one game, as he really showed some ability in the preseason as well.
I like your optimism though. I am a realist in that he could very well end up a footnote, being someone that was always fired up and got the team going, and helped in situations but never carried a team to greatness or won a GC. In terms of the optimism - who knows - maybe he keeps improving (he clearly has since 2019 in my opinion), and with the right support he does become a legit starter.
I'm not holding my breath for that, but I'd love to see that for him. And I love that he is a Bomber.
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 13, 2025, 10:27:23 PMTerry Wilson seems to have a real knack for running the short yardage offence. Honestly, I think he might be better at it right now than Strev.
quick point to address the quote - Wilson has only done this a very limited amount of times. He looked great yesterday and I would be thrilled if he can keep it up on short yardage. However, Strev has a few more games showing his prowess and skill for this particular function, and I would be hesitant to say anyone is better than him at it with limited tape to evaluate.
While I started this conversation, I too would list myself as a Strev realist. I hadn't been sold on him in the past but always cheered for him to do well. If you didn't love him after the 2019 parade, you didn't have a heart.
I am hoping he can keep this up, and hoping this isn't a modified version of Troy Kopp (there I am showing my age...). No disrespect to Kopp, I was at that game where he came in and won. It just didn't translate into long-term. Strev isn't in that position, I know, I just thought it was a reasonable illustration to emphasize he has shown some development beyond the restrictions hindering him last year before the major injury.
As an aside - his recovery from that knee injury is amazing, from a medical perspective, and he definitely did everything he could to get back to playing this year.
This is one motivated individual that will not quit. Just another reason to cheer for him.
- QB Controversy! Haha, just kidding. We're blessed in WPG to not have had a real one since Matty Ice showed up (even then, wasn't a real or juicy controversy!)
- Strev was wearing the Bionic Commando(TM) knee brace, which someone already mentioned here, but is worth repeating. Maybe not visible on TV? Definitely is slowing him down, especially on acceleration, but should keep his knee from blowing up
- Whenever Strev got a batdown or bad play he came off the field completely livid and spitting venom at the air. Love to see it, complete (straight?) fire and will to win
- He looked like 2018 Strev, where he'd win .500, which is good enough for a backup. (Though he can't rely on the Raging Bull Strev run attack anymore.) Heck, it appears all that NFL time may help him be more a .700, which would be stunning for a $115k QB
- Strev was out a long time post-game in the player signature pen, signing autographs and just generally being available. He was holding up some baby later on with a lady: I'm assuming his wife & kid. Great to see. (Edit 1Q6:18 Brit says it was his new baby daughter Sunny and fiance, who I must say was easy on the eyes.)
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2025, 03:39:27 AMquick point to address the quote - Wilson has only done this a very limited amount of times. He looked great yesterday and I would be thrilled if he can keep it up on short yardage. However, Strev has a few more games showing his prowess and skill for this particular function, and I would be hesitant to say anyone is better than him at it with limited tape to evaluate.
Wilson was very good on SY last season too. I think better than Strev before he was IRd.
However, having Strev do SY gives you a ton of extra options, and we should 100% be doing the keep-Strev-in trick after SY conversions, in tempo so the D has to stay jumbo.
We could end up using both QBs for SY this year. Maybe 0-.75Y Wilson, and .76-2Y and/or 2nd down Strev? I'm really curious to see what the plan is. Knowing Mafia it'll be KISS, and I'll guess Strev get SY.
Quote from: markf on June 13, 2025, 06:33:07 PMAnd Jake Maier has a very nice throwing motion.
whats his w/l Record.
Touche.
Mic drop.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 13, 2025, 06:18:38 PMI don't know if I would hang the great tag on the D just yet. There was some breakdown in the secondary.
I think BC finally figured out one of our sides was "bad". I couldn't make it out in the haze of anger I felt at those plays @ PAS... but I'm guessing it's all Bridges. Find the weak spot and exploit. They may have been able to win the game that way! Get that side some safety help!
(Correct me if I'm wrong on the player, I'm still re-watching...)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 13, 2025, 05:49:37 PMStrevs bronco busting days are over, didn't have much success running the ball last season and now he's dragging around a damaged leg. Time for him to grow up and see if he can become a real QB that only runs when he has the opportunity to slide.
1. BC clearly planned hard to stop Strev runs. I think they devoted a huge chunk of focus to that, and it cost them stopping Peterson and some of the pass game.
2. Strev in a brace will be limited mobility. (Will it ever come off?)
3. I think we tried more times than seemed sane to have Strev run just as a ploy to open things up. We didn't care if he got stuffed, we had ulterior motives. Seems to have worked masterfully, eh?
4. Almost all Strev runs were planned/called. Mostly delay QB run. Maybe he didn't delay enough? In any event, everything from the pocket was called, not some Strev panic / "no reads" thing. See #3.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 13, 2025, 03:39:05 PMNot sure if Pierce's QB playing time as a battling QB made his question Streveler's ability, or maybe even (just conjecture) envy them? Or his sideline coaching not being able to utilize and adapt as well as in the booth.
Hogan seems to have embraced the Lapo use of Streveler.
I had exactly the same thought. Wouldn't Buck have been Strev's QB coach the first time Strev was here?? Did Buck just not like him? Or is Buck just completely unable to see what tools he has in the chest? (And why didn't MOS set him straight?)
Maybe there was some bad blood, or something. However, this is bizarre as Strev is 100% affable and amiable. He's literally never said boo in any interview in 6 years, and is always giving off that awww shucks country vibe.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 13, 2025, 01:35:57 PMI did think he'd run a bit more but that increases the risk of injury. The Lions might have thought that as well and that may have opened up the passing game more.
Haha, what I just said: you beat me to it!!
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 13, 2025, 01:35:57 PMHe did a great job but he has such an odd throwing motion. His accuracy has improved but I was a bit concerned he was not looking off the defence a few times and telegraphing throws.
Odd motion, but it's a crazy fast wind and release. He doesn't throw, he hucks! He winds back only a fraction of what other QBs, like Zach, do. And he doesn't need much arm on it to get it really far downfield.
So that's why I'm a bit confused why at times those Ds can cheat up and get in the lane. Is it like you say and he's just staring down his target so they just cheat to his eyes? Because with the super fast huck motion you think DBs would have no time to get anywhere.
If it's just a stare-down issue, a smart OC and QB coach could teach him to use that as a massive advantage by doing some fake look-offs. His motion may be set in stone, but fake-look tricks can be taught even to that old dog.
Strev got quite a few batdowns near the LoS. I think this is 2 things:
1) His zip-line passes are by nature low, and thus batdown-vulnerable.
2) He seems to be unable to notice or care about where the DL is with their hands up in his lanes. Zach is very good at this and will find another read. Strev just chucks it into hands anyways. Weird.
Hey, Jarious on the bench with Strev as the QB Whisperer. Cool!
Quote from: The Zipp on June 13, 2025, 07:15:00 PMthey were agressive and on a number of occasions knocked the ball out the receiver's hands or just before he caught it.
there was a chance for this game to look a bit different if Masoli can connect with Hatcher who was well behind coverage. would have made it a one score game with under 2 minutes left. i think we would have still won but in the CFL you never know.
Hatcher is a very good player and they will make plays - we aren't going to get shut outs every game. defence played excellent for their first game together.
Let's not start the year with "ifs". If Castillo doesn't miss an extra point and then a fg shortly after we have a 3 score ball game instead of 2. Ifs never happen, Masoli missed his target plain and simple.
Streveler is a back up QB who has proven time and time again that he can win football games. What more do you want out of your backup? Shiltz looked like garbage last night in Ottawa. For backups, Streveler is in the top 3-4. I'd almost put him at the top of the list just because of the one intangible he has over the other 8.... Players love playing for him!! I don't think you can say this about any other back up out there, maybe MBT? He's also takes charge of his offensive and is "The" leader when he's on the field.
Quote from: jdrattops on June 14, 2025, 01:57:39 PMStreveler is a back up QB who has proven time and time again that he can win football games. What more do you want out of your backup? Shiltz looked like garbage last night in Ottawa. For backups, Streveler is in the top 3-4. I'd almost put him at the top of the list just because of the one intangible he has over the other 8.... Players love playing for him!! I don't think you can say this about any other back up out there, maybe MBT? He's also takes charge of his offensive and is "The" leader when he's on the field.
Fair enough but a back up has a chance to do better when surrounded by a good team. Alexander was an example of that last year in Montreal. He advanced to a legit starter.
Dru Brown advanced from back up to a CFL starter very quickly.
Streveler has some skills, that can't be discounted.
this was a very good to great game by Strev - very happy for him. i hope he doesn't start another game this season...we have seen the not so great strev in the past. i am not crowning him as a legit starter in the CFL based on one game.
i am more confident if he does have to play but still would be concerned with his ability to throw.
There were plenty of naysayers for a reason...cautiously optimistic is my current view.
Streveler outplayed Rourke and Masoli. He had a better game than Arbuckle is having today.
Strev played great last night. But the guy who will really benefit from finally having Jarious Jackson around is Terry Wilson.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2025, 09:29:37 PMStreveler outplayed Rourke and Masoli. He had a better game than Arbuckle is having today.
Thought Experiment: Rourke played for the Bombers on Thursday and Strev played for the Lions. Do the Bombers win by more or less or lose?
Here's another thought...Strevy clearly outplayed Rourke by a mile, anyone know what the difference in salary is between the 2?? BC is in salary management hell with Rourke!!!
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2025, 11:07:30 PMHere's another thought...Strevy clearly outplayed Rourke by a mile, anyone know what the difference in salary is between the 2?? BC is in salary management hell with Rourke!!!
He will earn his money, not worried about that. A star and will help them win and sell tickets and merch. Helps bring more fans to watch on TV. I don't see it as hell at all, I see it as a very good position to be in, with a franchise QB in place. Yes Strev is great value.
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 14, 2025, 10:25:23 PMThought Experiment: Rourke played for the Bombers on Thursday and Strev played for the Lions. Do the Bombers win by more or less or lose?
With the OCs as they were? If Hogan/Jarious had all that time to prep for Rourke, maybe Rourke does better, and Rourke/Bombers win by a little less.
That game was largely won by the game plan. Remember, it was Rourke's 40-50Y passes and 30-40Y scrambles that had BC even in the game. That's far and away more deep completions and scramble yards than Strev had.
However, I think Strev was calmer and smarter in the pocket. Rourke still seems to have issues on reads. He's a tough one to figure out. Good for our sake he still hasn't put it all together!
Also: WPG RECs way better than BC.