Just to continue a conversation from another post. What do you think changes before we finalize our game roster to start the season? I've added my earlier thoughts. Note there aren't really any wrong answers, these are just guesses as we adjust to the ratio and injury issues.
Just for the heck of it, these are the roster moves I expect before game 1. Barring unknown injuries of course.
1. Collaros to 1 game suspension as announced.
2. Lofton to IR. The real question is whether it's short or long term.
3. Munier-Bailey to AR replacing Weitz. Weitz may be headed for IR but that's a TBD
4. Vanterpool to PR. Vibert added to AR as OL depth.
5. Cobb added to AR as receiver depth and return capabilities.
6. Ayers to PR. IMO we'll have ratio room for Jones, Jones, Wilson and Griffin if we move to 8 starting Canadians.
7. Woods to PR.
8. Novak to PR.
9. Kornelson to PR.
If my math is right regarding the ratio, we'll have room to add 1 more import. Some will argue keeping Ayers on the AR. IMO we might see Person added to give us more rotation possibilities at DE. In theory we'd have Griffin backing up at SAM. 1 of the Jones would be a DI. That allows us to have 3-4 fronts at times and / or just the ability to rotate.
These changes might still leave us " over " the number of Canadians on the AR.
Anyway. Just a guess at this moment in time.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2025, 05:39:27 PMJust to continue a conversation from another post. What do you think changes before we finalize our game roster to start the season? I've added my earlier thoughts. Note there aren't really any wrong answers, these are just guesses as we adjust to the ratio and injury issues.
Just for the heck of it, these are the roster moves I expect before game 1. Barring unknown injuries of course.
1. Collaros to 1 game suspension as announced.
2. Lofton to IR. The real question is whether it's short or long term.
3. Munier-Bailey to AR replacing Weitz. Weitz may be headed for IR but that's a TBD
4. Vanterpool to PR. Vibert added to AR as OL depth.
5. Cobb added to AR as receiver depth and return capabilities.
6. Ayers to PR. IMO we'll have ratio room for Jones, Jones, Wilson and Griffin if we move to 8 starting Canadians.
7. Woods to PR.
8. Novak to PR.
0. Kornelson to PR.
If my math is right regarding the ratio, we'll have room to add 1 more import. Some will argue keeping Ayers on the AR. IMO we might see Person added to give us more rotation possibilities at DE. In theory we'd have Griffin backing up at SAM. 1 of the Jones would be a DI. That allows us to have 3-4 fronts at times and / or just the ability to rotate.
These changes might still leave us " over " the number of Canadians on the AR.
Anyway. Just a guess at this moment in time.
So many unknowns, so little information, guessing takes energy. I'm resigned to wait and see what they'll do and not at all worried about the decisions they'll make as they have so many good pieces to work with.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 07, 2025, 06:32:16 PMSo many unknowns, so little information, guessing takes energy. I'm resigned to wait and see what they'll do and not at all worried about the decisions they'll make as they have so many good pieces to work with.
LOL. Nothing to worry about, just curious on which direction we go with the choices available. We get so little info from practice sessions etc. All of that is true week to week as we wonder about injuries and roster movement.
Anyway we'll see what develops early next week. I'm off to Whistler tomorrow for a couple of days so won't really be checking into all this until Tuesday.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2025, 08:31:27 PMLOL. Nothing to worry about, just curious on which direction we go with the choices available. We get so little info from practice sessions etc. All of that is true week to week as we wonder about injuries and roster movement.
Anyway we'll see what develops early next week. I'm off to Whistler tomorrow for a couple of days so won't really be checking into all this until Tuesday.
I think they're off again for a few days now, so probably nothing will be revealed until mid-week.
Aside from injury possibilities we have a 1st year OC and a 2nd year DC. That should give an early season advantage since teams will be less familiar we all previous tendencies.
Streveler starting game 1 is also a bit of a wildcard on how our OC decides to use him and how much free rein he is allowed. The practice schedule doesn't show yet. Game is on Thursday so I'd expect Monday and Tuesday with a walk thru on Wednesday.
Looking forward to the game next week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2025, 09:09:34 PMAside from injury possibilities we have a 1st year OC and a 2nd year DC. That should give an early season advantage since teams will be less familiar we all previous tendencies.
Streveler starting game 1 is also a bit of a wildcard on how our OC decides to use him and how much free rein he is allowed. The practice schedule doesn't show yet. Game is on Thursday so I'd expect Monday and Tuesday with a walk thru on Wednesday.
Looking forward to the game next week.
Not convinced any of that gives us an advantage but still think we can come out on top. Looking forward to next week too!
Streveler is good for a run heavy game mixed with short passing. It doesn't matter who is calling the plays. That's what he can do and if Hogan assembles a game plan that's very different from that we've probably already lost.
Younger is as good a defensive coordinator as there is in the league so I don't think anyone is looking at him without knowing what you're going to get. Tons of 8 man zones with some pressure looks as the offense gets into scoring range. Will be a good test for Rourke who's gonna sling it regardless.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2025, 09:09:34 PMAside from injury possibilities we have a 1st year OC and a 2nd year DC. That should give an early season advantage since teams will be less familiar we all previous tendencies.
Streveler starting game 1 is also a bit of a wildcard on how our OC decides to use him and how much free rein he is allowed. The practice schedule doesn't show yet. Game is on Thursday so I'd expect Monday and Tuesday with a walk thru on Wednesday.
Looking forward to the game next week.
Ok, thought the game was next weekend, Thursday night changes everything. As hard as Strev might try I don't think he'll beat the Lions if he can't put the ball in the endzone more often.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2025, 05:39:27 PM4. Vanterpool to PR. Vibert added to AR as OL depth.
I mostly focus on starters, and not depth so much. In-season I really only worry about changes to depth. So with no starting point yet, I can't speak to the depth guys so much yet. It really is anyone's guess at this point.
You're probably right on most guesses.
But why slot Vibert ahead of Vanterpool as backup? I guess because he's NAT? We've often gone with only 1 backup OL, and as long as that's a NAT that's often good enough. Assuming you are ok with rolling the dice a bit and bring Fatboi's 50-69 jersey!
I'm still not convinced Lofton won't dress.
Not convinced on Case too. I guess Logan isn't coming anytime soon, but we have no one else that can return? That Vaval guy will be on IR?? Vaval looked way better, and we always need more D (Vaval), never more O (Case)... but I guess we need at least 1 backup on O now that Johnny is gone.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 08, 2025, 05:56:44 AMI mostly focus on starters, and not depth so much. In-season I really only worry about changes to depth. So with no starting point yet, I can't speak to the depth guys so much yet. It really is anyone's guess at this point.
You're probably right on most guesses.
But why slot Vibert ahead of Vanterpool as backup? I guess because he's NAT? We've often gone with only 1 backup OL, and as long as that's a NAT that's often good enough. Assuming you are ok with rolling the dice a bit and bring Fatboi's 50-69 jersey!
I'm still not convinced Lofton won't dress.
Not convinced on Case too. I guess Logan isn't coming anytime soon, but we have no one else that can return? That Vaval guy will be on IR?? Vaval looked way better, and we always need more D (Vaval), never more O (Case)... but I guess we need at least 1 backup on O now that Johnny is gone.
omg. This would kill me. Exact same thing we did last year (and many other times).
If a guys has been out for the entirety of training camp, he should be able to practice before he steps on the field in a game. You're not putting the player or the team in a good spot by trying to wedge injured guys into the line-up.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 08, 2025, 05:56:44 AMI mostly focus on starters, and not depth so much. In-season I really only worry about changes to depth. So with no starting point yet, I can't speak to the depth guys so much yet. It really is anyone's guess at this point.
You're probably right on most guesses.
But why slot Vibert ahead of Vanterpool as backup? I guess because he's NAT? We've often gone with only 1 backup OL, and as long as that's a NAT that's often good enough. Assuming you are ok with rolling the dice a bit and bring Fatboi's 50-69 jersey!
I'm still not convinced Lofton won't dress.
Not convinced on Case too. I guess Logan isn't coming anytime soon, but we have no one else that can return? That Vaval guy will be on IR?? Vaval looked way better, and we always need more D (Vaval), never more O (Case)... but I guess we need at least 1 backup on O now that Johnny is gone.
We used 2 Canadian OL back ups most of the last couple of years. So if we start 3 Canadian OL, that's a change I'd expect.
If Vanderpool is significantly better than Wallace then they might make that decision. It's the ripple impact on the ratio and we'd lose 1 import on defence.
It could go either way but I lean towards the 3 Canadian OL because we seem to always stack the DI's on defence. Vaval and Castillo are two.
I'm surprised we retained Case. Vaval will be the returner and he'll also be available as a DB as a DI. We don't have much depth at DB that we can keep on the AR because of ratio. Injuries to Kelly and Makonzo changed that a bit
Quote from: Jesse on June 08, 2025, 12:30:11 PMomg. This would kill me. Exact same thing we did last year (and many other times).
And that's why I said it's likely. We know Mafia. Not saying it's right.
But ask yourself: was Randolph as good as Lofton at RT? (Maybe close?) Plus: Was Wallace good enough to be our starting LG? (Maybe, kinda?) If the answer to either of these is no, then -- assuming he can play -- Lofton will start.
My gut still tells me that the Lofton thing is just a vet / precautionary thing, like happens all the time, like BO20 last TC.
If I'm Mafia, my lineup, if healthy is:
Stan Randolph Ko-man Neuf Lofton
That is only 1 change over the great post-season crew last year, and a known good setup (Randolph was great at RG in '24). Consistency & continuity is king in week 1.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 08, 2025, 12:35:57 PMWe used 2 Canadian OL back ups most of the last couple of years. So if we start 3 Canadian OL, that's a change I'd expect.
If Vanderpool is significantly better than Wallace then they might make that decision. It's the ripple impact on the ratio and we'd lose 1 import on defence.
It could go either way but I lean towards the 3 Canadian OL because we seem to always stack the DI's on defence. Vaval and Castillo are two.
I'm surprised we retained Case. Vaval will be the returner and he'll also be available as a DB as a DI. We don't have much depth at DB that we can keep on the AR because of ratio. Injuries to Kelly and Makonzo changed that a bit
Don't get why they kept Case over Myron Mitchell, they cover the same bases and Mitchell performed well in training camp while Case sat out. Proves you can make the club from the tub!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 09, 2025, 12:51:29 AMAnd that's why I said it's likely. We know Mafia. Not saying it's right.
But ask yourself: was Randolph as good as Lofton at RT? (Maybe close?) Plus: Was Wallace good enough to be our starting LG? (Maybe, kinda?) If the answer to either of these is no, then -- assuming he can play -- Lofton will start.
My gut still tells me that the Lofton thing is just a vet / precautionary thing, like happens all the time, like BO20 last TC.
If I'm Mafia, my lineup, if healthy is:
Stan Randolph Ko-man Neuf Lofton
That is only 1 change over the great post-season crew last year, and a known good setup (Randolph was great at RG in '24). Consistency & continuity is king in week 1.
I'm super biased because I'm not a Lofton fan. My exact scenario that I wanted from least year was Randolph winning the spot this year, so I'm just pulling for it.
Quote from: Jesse on June 09, 2025, 02:55:55 AMI'm super biased because I'm not a Lofton fan. My exact scenario that I wanted from least year was Randolph winning the spot this year, so I'm just pulling for it.
I guess. I don't think anyone is "Lofton fan". But he does get the job done (well!), is cheap, and doesn't seem to get injured much. He's almost ideal in that regard.
But then if Wallace or Eli don't pan out at LG we're in a bit of a pickle with no options. If you give Randolph RT then what do you do with Lofton? I guess hide him on the 6G for a while then what?
Still also leaves the issue of not enough good NATs to fill the jumbo 6th/7th. If we do my lineup we get to keep Wallace/Eli as jumbo and backup. Perfect! Worry about shaking things up in '26.
Worrying about RT is a luxury right now. The big question mark and worry is how we can have a Dobson/Desjar level LG... Ain't gonna win much if our OL play is worse than last season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 09, 2025, 04:06:06 AMI guess. I don't think anyone is "Lofton fan". But he does get the job done (well!), is cheap, and doesn't seem to get injured much. He's almost ideal in that regard.
But then if Wallace or Eli don't pan out at LG we're in a bit of a pickle with no options. If you give Randolph RT then what do you do with Lofton? I guess hide him on the 6G for a while then what?
Still also leaves the issue of not enough good NATs to fill the jumbo 6th/7th. If we do my lineup we get to keep Wallace/Eli as jumbo and backup. Perfect! Worry about shaking things up in '26.
Worrying about RT is a luxury right now. The big question mark and worry is how we can have a Dobson/Desjar level LG... Ain't gonna win much if our OL play is worse than last season.
I just don't care what happens to Lofton, lol. He's a placeholder.
And I don't want him to lose his spot to injury, I'm hoping Randolph clearly beats him out.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 09, 2025, 01:27:52 AMDon't get why they kept Case over Myron Mitchell, they cover the same bases and Mitchell performed well in training camp while Case sat out. Proves you can make the club from the tub!
I actually really liked Case. Compared to Mitchell, he is the more consistent option, and I think what we've seen so far from Mitchell hasn't been overly impressive. Rather take a shot with Case.
I remember being high on him last preseason game after making some nice grabs!
Also, he averaged more yards per return on punts and kickoffs. He was much more of a North-South returner than other guys we've tried, and I don't think he fumbled at all.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 09, 2025, 04:06:06 AMI guess. I don't think anyone is "Lofton fan". But he does get the job done (well!), is cheap, and doesn't seem to get injured much. He's almost ideal in that regard.
But then if Wallace or Eli don't pan out at LG we're in a bit of a pickle with no options. If you give Randolph RT then what do you do with Lofton? I guess hide him on the 6G for a while then what?
Still also leaves the issue of not enough good NATs to fill the jumbo 6th/7th. If we do my lineup we get to keep Wallace/Eli as jumbo and backup. Perfect! Worry about shaking things up in '26.
Worrying about RT is a luxury right now. The big question mark and worry is how we can have a Dobson/Desjar level LG... Ain't gonna win much if our OL play is worse than last season.
I thought they said they were keeping Natl. Ethan Vibert on the roster as the 7th man, but as of now he's still on the PR, so I don't know.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 09, 2025, 01:51:31 PMI actually really liked Case. Compared to Mitchell, he is the more consistent option, and I think what we've seen so far from Mitchell hasn't been overly impressive. Rather take a shot with Case.
Good point. Myron doesn't seem to have much upside, and that's probably why we moved on. But man, after this TC, you have to give him A++ for effort, morale, and willingness to learn/please. Major credit for that. This is what we want to see from all players.
I really haven't seen or heard much from/about Case to know if he has the same attitude.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 09, 2025, 04:15:31 PMI thought they said they were keeping Natl. Ethan Vibert on the roster as the 7th man, but as of now he's still on the PR, so I don't know.
I forgot about him. That name really never entered into my head, especially in tandem with the word "NAT". Ya, if he's the next guy in the dev pipeline then no reason he can't be the next 7th. In which case that does make it more comfortable starting Wallace at LG.
Quote from: Jesse on June 09, 2025, 11:32:43 AMI just don't care what happens to Lofton, lol. He's a placeholder.
I'm not sure you're being fair. Lofton stepped up when Yoshi abruptly abandoned us and was instantly as good on pass pro. I know the line suffered early '24, but I spent a lot of time grading each guy between games 4 and 9 and Lofton was rarely the problem.
That means we got Yoshi-level passpro for like $120k. Half price. And DM83 will probably tell you Lofton was even better! (He always thought Yoshi was a turnstile.)
Seriously, the only beef I think one can have with Lofton is his run block may not be as good as Yoshi was, and our Brady game suffered for over half a season.
If we ditch Lofton for Randolph I can see another team snapping him up instantly.
Plus, if we do that then we still have no answer for the real problem: when Stan retires or IRs. If Randolph can eventually be a LT, then keep grooming him for that, letting Lofton hold down the right.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 09, 2025, 10:48:45 PMGood point. Myron doesn't seem to have much upside, and that's probably why we moved on. But man, after this TC, you have to give him A++ for effort, morale, and willingness to learn/please. Major credit for that. This is what we want to see from all players.
I really haven't seen or heard much from/about Case to know if he has the same attitude.
I guess it's easier to Rudy onto the team as a FB/ST... much harder as a returner.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 09, 2025, 10:55:40 PMI'm not sure you're being fair. Lofton stepped up when Yoshi abruptly abandoned us and was instantly as good on pass pro. I know the line suffered early '24, but I spent a lot of time grading each guy between games 4 and 9 and Lofton was rarely the problem.
That means we got Yoshi-level passpro for like $120k. Half price. And DM83 will probably tell you Lofton was even better! (He always thought Yoshi was a turnstile.)
Seriously, the only beef I think one can have with Lofton is his run block may not be as good as Yoshi was, and our Brady game suffered for over half a season.
If we ditch Lofton for Randolph I can see another team snapping him up instantly.
Plus, if we do that then we still have no answer for the real problem: when Stan retires or IRs. If Randolph can eventually be a LT, then keep grooming him for that, letting Lofton hold down the right.
I am admittedly being very hard on Lofton. But he's ultimately a guy we picked up off the scrap heap and I need our whole line to be better this year.
So I'm hoping Randolph steps up.
Quote from: Jesse on June 09, 2025, 11:32:43 AMI just don't care what happens to Lofton, lol. He's a placeholder.
And I don't want him to lose his spot to injury, I'm hoping Randolph clearly beats him out.
Lofton was a starter last year and filed in reasonably well. Calling him a placeholder is disrespectful imo. Would you say that to his face?
OL is the key to our success only behind how our Qbs play. I care deeply about our prospects, role players and vets on the line. Takes a village to build and maintain an OL. All can't be studs.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 09, 2025, 10:55:40 PMI'm not sure you're being fair. Lofton stepped up when Yoshi abruptly abandoned us and was instantly as good on pass pro. I know the line suffered early '24, but I spent a lot of time grading each guy between games 4 and 9 and Lofton was rarely the problem.
That means we got Yoshi-level passpro for like $120k. Half price. And DM83 will probably tell you Lofton was even better! (He always thought Yoshi was a turnstile.)
Seriously, the only beef I think one can have with Lofton is his run block may not be as good as Yoshi was, and our Brady game suffered for over half a season.
If we ditch Lofton for Randolph I can see another team snapping him up instantly.
Plus, if we do that then we still have no answer for the real problem: when Stan retires or IRs. If Randolph can eventually be a LT, then keep grooming him for that, letting Lofton hold down the right.
Agree all, very good analysis.
Quote from: Jesse on June 10, 2025, 11:01:22 AMI am admittedly being very hard on Lofton. But he's ultimately a guy we picked up off the scrap heap and I need our whole line to be better this year.
So I'm hoping Randolph steps up.
The reference to scrap heap shows zero respect for a decent OL that played fairly well last year. Again would you use this language in front of him?
The Lions offence didn't do much until Rourke started scrambling.
I do not know what the Bombers defence can do to control that. He's speedy elusive and unlike Ford, he has shown that he can pass accurately.
If he plays up to his potential he's probably the best qb in the league. He's got a bit of Flutie to him.
Quote from: markf on June 10, 2025, 12:54:07 PMThe Lions offence didn't do much until Rourke started scrambling.
I do not know what the Bombers defence can do to control that. He's speedy elusive and unlike Ford, he has shown that he can pass accurately.
If he plays up to his potential he's probably the best qb in the league. He's got a bit of Flutie to him.
He was moving the ball from the firs drive. The score didn't reflect that because they gambled on two third downs and lost, but Rourke was on all game.
Quote from: Jesse on June 10, 2025, 11:01:22 AMI am admittedly being very hard on Lofton. But he's ultimately a guy we picked up off the scrap heap and I need our whole line to be better this year.
So I'm hoping Randolph steps up.
You could say the same thing about Kolankowski or Hardrick as well. Hardrick was cut from Sask and CK was cut by Toronto if I remember correctly? I could be wrong, maybe they just let Hardrick walk, but I'm pretty sure CK was cut.
OL is tough because there aren't good metrics to show how good an OL is. Usually the bad ones stand out more than the good ones do.
That being said, I'm 100% with you on Randolph! I think he's the future, whether we decide to put him at LT, RT or LG, we have to get him reps!
Quote from: Jesse on June 10, 2025, 01:32:42 PMHe was moving the ball from the firs drive. The score didn't reflect that because they gambled on two third downs and lost, but Rourke was on all game.
Yeah, and I forgot about the well thrown, but dropped, td pass.
Anyway... if he regains his first season form, he's a big problem.
Quote from: Jesse on June 10, 2025, 11:01:22 AMI am admittedly being very hard on Lofton. But he's ultimately a guy we picked up off the scrap heap and I need our whole line to be better this year.
So I'm hoping Randolph steps up.
Not quite a "scrap heap" pickup... from his profile:
2024: Blue Bombers
The Blue Bombers re-signed Lofton to a one-year contract extension on February 3, 2025 after he started all 18 games plus the Western Final and Grey Cup at right tackle in 2024 and was part of a unit that helped running back Brady Oliveira capture his second straight rushing title while quarterback Zach Collaros set a career high in passing yards.
2023: Roughriders
Lofton signed with the Saskatchewan Roughriders in February of 2023 and started in 14 games at right tackle for the club.
He has 21 career starts in the CFL with Ottawa, Edmonton, Saskatchewan and Winnipeg.
Lofton signed a one-year contract with the Blue Bombers on February 16, 2024.
2022: Blue Bombers
Lofton spent most of the season on the practice roster and dressed for one game starting at right tackle for the club in a 40-32 loss to the B.C. Lions in Vancouver on October 15.
2019-20: Edmonton
Lofton signed in Edmonton in July of 2019 after attending training camp with the B.C. Lions. He dressed for two games during the 2019 season.
2017-18: RedBlacks
Lofton first signed in the CFL with Ottawa on February 24, 2017. He started one game in 2017 and then dressed for three games, with one start, in 2018.
He started his CFL career with the Ottawa Redblacks, dressing in four games during the 2017 and 2018 seasons.Sure, not a starter day one, and he is 32 now... having earned his starting spot...
Quote from: LXTSN on June 10, 2025, 01:50:07 PMYou could say the same thing about Kolankowski or Hardrick as well. Hardrick was cut from Sask and CK was cut by Toronto if I remember correctly? I could be wrong, maybe they just let Hardrick walk, but I'm pretty sure CK was cut.
OL is tough because there aren't good metrics to show how good an OL is. Usually the bad ones stand out more than the good ones do.
That being said, I'm 100% with you on Randolph! I think he's the future, whether we decide to put him at LT, RT or LG, we have to get him reps!
CK was an Argo for his ELC, and started an entire 18 game season before being released in favour of All Star Sean McEwen in 2019. Missed 2019, and 2020 (Covid) although he was signed to play here for 2020.
Yoshi, as an INT, went a different route, 12 games with BC, 6 with the Riders before landing here and establishing himself.
Not really "scrap heap" as much as "scouted and given a chance". But, sure, they all played for other teams who chose not to resign them at the desired rate of pay for whatever reason. Like Lawler getting taken off our scrap heap by Edm and Ham...
Lofton still hasn't practised. Whether he is better than Randolph is moot at the moot. He must be headed to IR and we don't know when he'll even be an option. Just guessing but it's beginning to look he might be a candidate for the 6 game and beyond IR.
The injury report indicates knee issue. That could be serious or minor. Not practising suggests more than a week IMO.
I'll say it again, that I'm surprised Case was kept on the PR. Of all the receivers we had in TC, he's the one we kept? It might be said he's currently the back up as our returner. Vaval will do that week 1 but when will Logan be back. He's on the 1 game IR but that doesn't guarantee he's ready for week 2. If he isn't practising at all this week, I think it takes him a couple of games to get " ready " even if the injury is nearly normal. Game speed and all that.
Note that the 1st daily IR report doesn't include anyone we didn't know about. Except for Lofton the others are already on the IR lists.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 10, 2025, 05:37:21 PMLofton still hasn't practised. Whether he is better than Randolph is moot at the moot.He must be headed to IR and we don't know when he'll even be an option. Just guessing but it's beginning to look he might be a candidate for the 6 game and beyond IR.
The injury report indicates knee issue. That could be serious or minor. Not practising suggests more than a week IMO.
I'll say it again, that I'm surprised Case was kept on the PR. Of all the receivers we had in TC, he's the one we kept? It might be said he's currently the back up as our returner. Vaval will do that week 1 but when will Logan be back. He's on the 1 game IR but that doesn't guarantee he's ready for week 2. If he isn't practising at all this week, I think it takes him a couple of games to get " ready " even if the injury is nearly normal. Game speed and all that.
Note that the 1st daily IR report doesn't include anyone we didn't know about. Except for Lofton the others are already on the IR lists.
SOmething we know about this organization is that they don't care if a player has practised before putting them into games. Until that depth chart comes out, I wouldn't be sure of anything. And even then, there will be some depth shenanigans as we've seen.
Quote from: Jesse on June 10, 2025, 06:14:09 PMSOmething we know about this organization is that they don't care if a player has practised before putting them into games. Until that depth chart comes out, I wouldn't be sure of anything. And even then, there will be some depth shenanigans as we've seen.
It's one thing to do that limiting a player during a given week. It's another when a player hasn't practised all of TC and this week so far.
I'll be stunned if Lofton doesn't get put on IR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 10, 2025, 06:26:09 PMIt's one thing to do that limiting a player during a given week. It's another when a player hasn't practised all of TC and this week so far.
I'll be stunned if Lofton doesn't get put on IR.
I'm pretty sure this is how it went for Brady and maybe Neufeld last year? They were injured all of camp and came in for game 1.
Quote from: Jesse on June 10, 2025, 06:33:16 PMI'm pretty sure this is how it went for Brady and maybe Neufeld last year? They were injured all of camp and came in for game 1.
Multiple season Canadian starters. Limited but I don't recall missing all practice. Neufeld missed 4 games last year but did he miss part of the early games?
Anyway I stand by the fact I'll be stunned if Lofton is able to play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 10, 2025, 07:47:00 PMMultiple season Canadian starters. Limited but I don't recall missing all practice. Neufeld missed 4 games last year but did he miss part of the early games?
Anyway I stand by the fact I'll be stunned if Lofton is able to play.
No he didn't but he wasn't playing well due to injury so they ended up taking him out of the lineup later on so that he could recover properly.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 10, 2025, 08:08:03 PMNo he didn't but he wasn't playing well due to injury so they ended up taking him out of the lineup later on so that he could recover properly.
He might be injured again. Lofton is out according to reports. So OL is not at 100%.
I suppose Neufeld could dress but not start but that's another risk. More likely Vibert gets added.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 10, 2025, 09:59:34 PMHe might be injured again. Lofton is out according to reports. So OL is not at 100%.
I suppose Neufeld could dress but not start but that's another risk. More likely Vibert gets added.
The clock maybe winding down on Neuf and this could be his last year, important to keep the pipeline of Natl O-linemen flowing and stop the outflow. This year they need one replacement, next year maybe another.
We are very thin ot nat oline,esp if Neufeld cant go at close to 100%. Ly he was ineffective at the start due to injury.
Doesn't look like theres a lot of options other than Vanderpool and hoping Eli or Wallace can step up. Hopefully Vibert can contribute but that may be asking a lot of a 4th rnd draft pick in first year
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 10, 2025, 05:37:21 PMLofton still hasn't practised. Whether he is better than Randolph is moot at the moot. He must be headed to IR and we don't know when he'll even be an option. Just guessing but it's beginning to look he might be a candidate for the 6 game and beyond IR.
The injury report indicates knee issue. That could be serious or minor. Not practising suggests more than a week IMO.
I'll say it again, that I'm surprised Case was kept on the PR. Of all the receivers we had in TC, he's the one we kept? It might be said he's currently the back up as our returner. Vaval will do that week 1 but when will Logan be back. He's on the 1 game IR but that doesn't guarantee he's ready for week 2. If he isn't practising at all this week, I think it takes him a couple of games to get " ready " even if the injury is nearly normal. Game speed and all that.
Note that the 1st daily IR report doesn't include anyone we didn't know about. Except for Lofton the others are already on the IR lists.
Case knows the system and could Come in on spot duty without issue
The mafia values continuity and experience and so do I
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 10, 2025, 10:33:01 PMCase knows the system and could Come in on spot duty without issue
The mafia values continuity and experience and so do I
3 games in 2024. 3 punt returns and 3 k/o returns 1 reception for 5 yards. A pylon could be as effective. Case is hardly continuity.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 10, 2025, 11:08:08 PM3 games in 2024. 3 punt returns and 3 k/o returns 1 reception for 5 yards. A pylon could be as effective. Case is hardly continuity.
2nd year with the club, just because you don't value him on the PR doesn't mean he doesn't have value. He knows the systems, players, playbook, coaches, QBs, has played in regular season, thus be brings more continuity than a fresh face . That's why he is on the PR. He is also there because a professional football teams management and coaches belive in him and have kept him around. Depth player on this ball club.
Making a CFL team is incredibly hard, let alone getting on the active roster in a none special teams position. Give the guy some credit. I haven't seen much out of him either but I trust the mafia and believe he could run a route, catch a pass or kick and contribute without making a big mistake.
He might provide some value a blocker, not sure, a little small for that role.
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Quote from: Blueforlife on June 10, 2025, 11:43:09 PM2nd year with the club, just because you don't value him on the PR doesn't mean he doesn't have value. He knows the systems, players, playbook, coaches, QBs, has played in regular season, thus be brings more continuity than a fresh face . That's why he is on the PR. He is also there because a professional football teams management and coaches belive in him and have kept him around.
Making a CFL team is incredibly hard, let alone getting on the active roster in a none special teams position. Give the guy some credit. I haven't seen much out of him either but I trust the mafia and believe he could run a route, catch a pass or kick and contribute without making a big mistake.
He might provide some value a blocker, not sure, a little small for that role.
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Vaval is currently on the AR as the returner replacing Logan who is on the IR . So that means Case, is a 3rd option at best at the moment. So Vaval is that fresh face and he just managed that. Earlier discussions were considering letting Mitchell return kicks so that pushes him even further down any depth chart.
Could that change tomorrow? Sure. Will it in favour of Case? I'm not expecting it.
Vaval is a pure CFL rookie and still was deemed a better option than Case. Wheatfall, Mitchell and Sterns ranked above him on the depth chart as receivers.
Yeah, I'd call him a pylon to his face since that is my opinion. He doesn't have to like it.
I choose to not have blind faith. I find it concerning that we brought 20 rookie receivers to camp and looked at numerous more in mini camps and none stuck over a guy that touched the ball 7 times in 3 games.
Every pro football player is expected to know the playbook. Being able to execute it at a level better than those in the competition. Very few 2nd year players last if they can't be fighting to make the AR. Every other PR player from last season is in legitimate competitions or are listed as starters as of today.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 12:25:33 AMVaval is currently on the AR as the returner replacing Logan who is on the IR . So that means Case, is a 3rd option at best at the moment. So Vaval is that fresh face and he just managed that. Earlier discussions were considering letting Mitchell return kicks so that pushes him even further down any depth chart.
Could that change tomorrow? Sure. Will it in favour of Case? I'm not expecting it.
Vaval is a pure CFL rookie and still was deemed a better option than Case. Wheatfall, Mitchell and Sterns ranked above him on the depth chart as receivers.
Yeah, I'd call him a pylon to his face since that is my opinion. He doesn't have to like it.
I choose to not have blind faith. I find it concerning that we brought 20 rookie receivers to camp and looked at numerous more in mini camps and none stuck over a guy that touched the ball 7 times in 3 games.
Every pro football player is expected to know the playbook. Being able to execute it at a level better than those in the competition. Very few 2nd year players last if they can't be fighting to make the AR. Every other PR player from last season is in legitimate competitions or are listed as starters as of today.
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You posted you were not sure why he made it on the PR over other players, which I provided my reasons why I believe he did. Yes he isn't high on the depth chart but could come in if we have an injury or two. This has nothing to do with blind faith of a player. We all have little to go by for what he could contribute but I do trust this organization's take of him over you. They have a few reasons why he is on the PR to be sure. My original reply wasn't based on my opinion of the player but on reasons why I believe he was retained for a 2nd season. He might not last on the PR once we get healthy but we shall see how they decide to juggle that. Because he can fill a couple roles on the club makes him slightly more valuable.
Vaval plays D, that helped him make it. I like what I see and I value players that can do multiple things.
You are understating the importance of continuity imo. A 2nd year player generally will be more confident with the teams offense over fresh recruits.
We were very deep at receiver at camp with few spots to fill. We filled them with players with experience. Case showed something last year, in camp and in the preseason for the Bombers to retain him. That's why he beat out those other players, because he has experience and can play a couple positions.
If you genuinely are interested in why they retained him, ask the coaches or management.
I am pleased with our depth at receiver.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 10, 2025, 11:08:08 PM3 games in 2024. 3 punt returns and 3 k/o returns 1 reception for 5 yards. A pylon could be as effective. Case is hardly continuity.
This is not true, but I can see where you got that info.
He did return punts and kicks for the bombers in 3 separate games. He returned a total of 24 punts and 6 kickoffs. He averaged 10.5 on punts and 25.2 on kickoffs. Not great but steady!
Why am I always digging my feet in the sand for these totally unproven players?? Didn't work with Pigrome, McCrae, Evans.........
Quote from: LXTSN on June 11, 2025, 12:51:01 PMThis is not true, but I can see where you got that info.
He did return punts and kicks for the bombers in 3 separate games. He returned a total of 24 punts and 6 kickoffs. He averaged 10.5 on punts and 25.2 on kickoffs. Not great but steady!
Why am I always digging my feet in the sand for these totally unproven players?? Didn't work with Pigrome, McCrae, Evans.........
You're right. I looked at the wrong column. Regardless, it's very little experience and virtually none as a receiver. Receiver might be why a player is retained on the PR, but as a returner seems more of a loyalty issue. There are always a bunch of players on the roster that can do that.
I don't know. You tell me. Posters love under dogs I guess. O'Shea's use of the PR has always been a question. Was that last year we kept a 37 year old global punter on the PR, as an example or 2023? The best you can say is that Case was here and agreed to a PR spot. Maybe some others declined.
Maybe Logan is going to be out longer than we know and we may be changing a few things going into game 2?
Case is buried at both receiver and kick returner. I think it would take a miracle to get him on the roster any time soon. We will have Cobb backing up both positions on game day. The two seem a bit similar in that they are smaller, good enough speed and a bit shifty but Cobb has the better birth certificate. If Wilson returns from the NFL I expect Case is the odd man out. Depends on what we see from D Mitchell too though. My guess is he has to do something in 4 to 5 games but MOS is stubborn so maybe longer.
" The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have set their roster for Thursday's matchup against the B.C. Lions and it doesn't include veteran receiver Dillon Mitchell.
The 28-year-old, who caught 130 passes for 1,896 yards and 12 touchdowns over three seasons in Edmonton, has been moved to the one-game injured list as a healthy scratch. Keric Wheatfall, who caught two touchdown passes during the preseason, will start at boundary wide receiver as part of a receiving corps that also includes Dalton Schoen, Nic Demski, Jerreth Sterns, and Kevens Clercius."
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Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2025, 05:39:27 PMJust to continue a conversation from another post. What do you think changes before we finalize our game roster to start the season? I've added my earlier thoughts. Note there aren't really any wrong answers, these are just guesses as we adjust to the ratio and injury issues.
Just for the heck of it, these are the roster moves I expect before game 1. Barring unknown injuries of course.
1. Collaros to 1 game suspension as announced.
2. Lofton to IR. The real question is whether it's short or long term.
3. Munier-Bailey to AR replacing Weitz. Weitz may be headed for IR but that's a TBD
4. Vanterpool to PR. Vibert added to AR as OL depth.
5. Cobb added to AR as receiver depth and return capabilities.
6. Ayers to PR. IMO we'll have ratio room for Jones, Jones, Wilson and Griffin if we move to 8 starting Canadians.
7. Woods to PR.
8. Novak to PR.
0. Kornelson to PR.
If my math is right regarding the ratio, we'll have room to add 1 more import. Some will argue keeping Ayers on the AR. IMO we might see Person added to give us more rotation possibilities at DE. In theory we'd have Griffin backing up at SAM. 1 of the Jones would be a DI. That allows us to have 3-4 fronts at times and / or just the ability to rotate.
These changes might still leave us " over " the number of Canadians on the AR.
Anyway. Just a guess at this moment in time.
Item 3. Neither global appears on the AR at the moment. I thought 1 was mandatory?
Item 4. Vanderpool on AR. I'm not sure if the possible injury to Neufeld played into this or he was deemed best.
Item 5. I was wrong on this one. It appears Novak as LB depth over receiver depth was the choice.
Item 6. I was wrong on this one. J. Jones to to IR and Ayers listed at DE?
Item 8. I was wrong on this one but Canadian LB's won over needing all the import LB's. Ratio came into play.
Item 9. I was wrong on this one. Kornelson won over Schmekel. It was kin of a toss up for a back up.
I didn't make a projection for the import receivers but D. Mitchell out can't be good for him in the long term.
Roster suggests that Griffin and Ayers are the other 2 DI's along with Castillo and Vaval. Losing J. Jones to IR is unfortunate but all those Canadian LB's drafted fill any void. The downside is he's paid more than T. Jones and an expensive player along with D. Mitchell to " park " on IR? So be it.
We choose to move 4 players to 1 game IR instead of shuffling around the PR. They might not have accepted that move in any case. Ok but what's the additional cost and how long can we sustain it? Two are on ELC's but 2 are not. Even at $4K per player on ELC that's $16K spent in SMS money.
D. Mitchell is listed at $148K for 2025. That's $8K per game is no signing bonus.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 11, 2025, 12:51:01 PMThis is not true, but I can see where you got that info.
He did return punts and kicks for the bombers in 3 separate games. He returned a total of 24 punts and 6 kickoffs. He averaged 10.5 on punts and 25.2 on kickoffs. Not great but steady!
Why am I always digging my feet in the sand for these totally unproven players?? Didn't work with Pigrome, McCrae, Evans.........
Thanks for digging up those facts. Gut told me he had done some work at returner. This is why he is here (for now). Emergency receiver option and can return kicks! Agree some steady numbers there. I don't remember him making any mistakes.
To be clear I'm on the fence on Case but it's clear now why we have retained him. Trust the Mafia.
Some hard on Thomas for years on here. Still starting and can play OL in a pinch. That said Lawson will rotate and lot and will be a deadly combo imo. Time to EAT.
Ayers at DE come in on passing downs to spy?
Keeping Case around likely has to do with skill sets and making sure there's a good mix of that depth available to the Bombers. The return experience is a nice to have, but much more likely, he's seen as a good option in the slot, someone could come in and play in a similar way that they're going to ask Jerreth Sterns to play. It's not only about generalized talent at each spot - you need a mix of skill sets to be effective on offense (as much as 5 jump ball receivers would be fun, it's not effective).
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 05:16:20 PMKeeping Case around likely has to do with skill sets and making sure there's a good mix of that depth available to the Bombers. The return experience is a nice to have, but much more likely, he's seen as a good option in the slot, someone could come in and play in a similar way that they're going to ask Jerreth Sterns to play. It's not only about generalized talent at each spot - you need a mix of skill sets to be effective on offense (as much as 5 jump ball receivers would be fun, it's not effective).
1 reception for 5 yards? R. White has 94 receptions in 3 seasons including 43 targets with 23 receptions in 2024.
If we have an injury to a receiver and need to promote from the PR, who do you think that will be?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 05:57:46 PM1 reception for 5 yards? R. White has 94 receptions in 3 seasons including 43 targets with 23 receptions in 2024.
If we have an injury to a receiver and need to promote from the PR, who do you think that will be?
Reggie White getting short sticked behind Mitchell who hasn't shown value, can't pay Mitchell $160k not to play, I think this issue will be resolved within 3-4 games.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 11, 2025, 06:34:29 PMReggie White getting short sticked behind Mitchell who hasn't shown value, can't pay Mitchell $160k not to play, I think this issue will be resolved within 3-4 games.
Sure but the question was the choice between Case and White if an injury occurred. For week 2 if Logan is healthy the depth chart for the returner might be: Logan, Vaval, White and Mitchell before it gets to Case.
If we sustain an injury to a receiver, then White and Mitchell before Case. It's just a reality of where to project Case at either position.
I did forget we kept Elsbury on our PR so our depth is not as bad as I thought for imports.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 05:57:46 PM1 reception for 5 yards? R. White has 94 receptions in 3 seasons including 43 targets with 23 receptions in 2024.
If we have an injury to a receiver and need to promote from the PR, who do you think that will be?
Well, if you got my meaning it might depend on
who gets injured.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 07:43:00 PMWell, if you got my meaning it might depend on who gets injured.
Bombers move receivers around and expect them to be able to play at every spot. So I get your meaning but I don't think that's applicable for Case and his 1 reception over veterans that played various receiving roles.
Looking at the roster not rostering Mitchell is sending the message that starting spots have to be earned and not based on salary.
Not starting Jones to me is a mistake he was our best lb during preseason. rostering Kornelson in lieu of Munier-Bailey makes little sense. (or even Novak for that matter)
It seems every year O'Shea has a soft spot for the little engine that could.
Our Canadian depth right now is not great, oline cdn receiver and even dback have gone from being deep to not. We did address the lb depth nicely and I do believe we are stronger than ly in our imports.
I could see when Logan returns then Case getting dropped if no other roster moves are needed by then.
Bomber newcomer and rookie dance off on FB, Novak must have been a serious Ukrainian dancer to pull off these moves.
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In the grand scheme of things, the roster choices are not important if players produce as expected and we win. Obviously winning or losing is not a black and white result per se.
Football is a game of inches, odd bounces and even impact of weather.
Like I suggested do players perform as expected or do we end up with questions afterword about all of this.
Quote from: Pete on June 11, 2025, 09:23:22 PMLooking at the roster not rostering Mitchell is sending the message that starting spots have to be earned and not based on salary.
Not starting Jones to me is a mistake he was our best lb during preseason. rostering Kornelson in lieu of Munier-Bailey makes little sense. (or even Novak for that matter)
It seems every year O'Shea has a soft spot for the little engine that could.
Our Canadian depth right now is not great, oline cdn receiver and even dback have gone from being deep to not. We did address the lb depth nicely and I do believe we are stronger than ly in our imports.
I m thinking MOS is thinking that BC is going to be passing the ball alot and not relying on the run hence not starting Jones.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 07:56:06 PMBombers move receivers around and expect them to be able to play at every spot. So I get your meaning but I don't think that's applicable for Case and his 1 reception over veterans that played various receiving roles.
Not really, no. They move around for sure and they attack from different spots bu they don't really rotate them in a general way like you've suggested. That makes no sense. They want them to know the whole offense but they don't try to have them execute each spot like it's a paint by numbers every play. Clercius doesn't do Demski's sweeps. Demski didn't get Lawler's one on one down the rail high points, Wheatfall isn't going to block inside Iike Clercius, Schoen isn't going keep being asked to blow to the top off coverage like I think they'll have Sterns do (at least not typically). Additionally, offensive systems at higher levels have internal working concepts and names that usually govern the main roles of that receiver. X,Y,Z etc or other naming conventions which do the same thing. In the playbook it's not R SB SB SB R like the depth chart.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2025, 01:10:49 AMNot really, no. They move around for sure and they attack from different spots bu they don't really rotate them in a general way like you've suggested. That makes no sense. They want them to know the whole offense but they don't try to have them execute each spot like it's a paint by numbers every play. Clercius doesn't do Demski's sweeps. Demski didn't get Lawler's one on one down the rail high points, Wheatfall isn't going to block inside Iike Clercius, Schoen isn't going keep being asked to blow to the top off coverage like I think they'll have Sterns do (at least not typically). Additionally, offensive systems at higher levels have internal working concepts and names that usually govern the main roles of that receiver. X,Y,Z etc or other naming conventions which do the same thing. In the playbook it's not R SB SB SB R like the depth chart.
Agree all
Quote from: LXTSN on June 11, 2025, 12:51:01 PMThis is not true, but I can see where you got that info.
Why am I always digging my feet in the sand for these totally unproven players?? Didn't work with Pigrome, McCrae, Evans.........
I'd put McCrae in the "success" column. He always did what we needed him to as an entry-level RB/REC. He was the best dual-threat not named AH33 we had in a long while at the time. Much better than JA27 (who can't really catch).
I'm hoping Logan and Cooley can fill that McCrae "wildcard" hole, but do it even better!
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 03:26:37 PMItem 3. Neither global appears on the AR at the moment. I thought 1 was mandatory?
Ah... you're forgetting Sheahan. There's your 1 mandatory GLOB. 2nd GLOB can be a NAT instead.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 12, 2025, 05:38:39 AMAh... you're forgetting Sheahan. There's your 1 mandatory GLOB. 2nd GLOB can be a NAT instead.
Easy guy to forget about. LOL. Updates on CFL.CA and roster don't show the same thing at the moment. Mitchell, Weitz, J. Jones and even Lofton still show on AR but the others show on IR.
Not sure if it means something or just sloppy book keeping
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2025, 01:10:49 AMNot really, no. They move around for sure and they attack from different spots bu they don't really rotate them in a general way like you've suggested. That makes no sense. They want them to know the whole offense but they don't try to have them execute each spot like it's a paint by numbers every play. Clercius doesn't do Demski's sweeps. Demski didn't get Lawler's one on one down the rail high points, Wheatfall isn't going to block inside Iike Clercius, Schoen isn't going keep being asked to blow to the top off coverage like I think they'll have Sterns do (at least not typically). Additionally, offensive systems at higher levels have internal working concepts and names that usually govern the main roles of that receiver. X,Y,Z etc or other naming conventions which do the same thing. In the playbook it's not R SB SB SB R like the depth chart.
I over stated my comment and that wasn't quite what I meant. But the team is good at confusing defences and finding optimum match ups.
Quote from: Pete on June 11, 2025, 09:23:22 PMLooking at the roster not rostering Mitchell is sending the message that starting spots have to be earned and not based on salary.
Not starting Jones to me is a mistake he was our best lb during preseason. rostering Kornelson in lieu of Munier-Bailey makes little sense. (or even Novak for that matter)
It seems every year O'Shea has a soft spot for the little engine that could.
Our Canadian depth right now is not great, oline cdn receiver and even dback have gone from being deep to not. We did address the lb depth nicely and I do believe we are stronger than ly in our imports.
Tony Jones is back from 2024 and the coaches may have some veteran bias / loyalty in not having J. Jones start. I actually expected him to start at WIL before we re-signed Wilson. That's another veteran loyalty in play.
I would have even thought J. Jones would be on the roster ahead of Ayers. All of the LB's are very good, but the choices are at least somewhat surprising.
Let's see how it works out. If we fail to stop the run or get pressure on Rourke it will be a long day.
I've never been very confidant in Streveler as a good starting QB. At best I thought he might be a good game manager if surrounded by a very good supporting cast.
Today we may have 3 new starting OL. Not rookies but significant changes. Two new starting receivers, one is new to team the other has moved up from being mostly on the PR in 2024.
We have a new OC for 2025.
Hopefully Streveler proves me wrong and is able to complete more than a bunch of short passes. The defence has to worry what can happen downfield or they move closer to the LOS and take away the run game. We need to see a balanced attack.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 12, 2025, 01:56:52 PMI've never been very confidant in Streveler as a good starting QB. At best I thought he might be a good game manager if surrounded by a very good supporting cast.
Today we may have 3 new starting OL. Not rookies but significant changes. Two new starting receivers, one is new to team the other has moved up from being mostly on the PR in 2024.
We have a new OC for 2025.
Hopefully Streveler proves me wrong and is able to complete more than a bunch of short passes. The defence has to worry what can happen downfield or they move closer to the LOS and take away the run game. We need to see a balanced attack.
same, and Buck will be very aware Strev's abilities and tendencies.
Strev will have to stretch out the field early by going deep
If I was Hogan Id start with 6 oline and have Wheatfield and Schoen run mid to deep routes.
He needs to establish the threat other wise BC is going to load up the short area and make life very tough for Strev and Olivera.
would like to see Wilson get the opportunity to chuck that ball deep - i don't know if Strev can with any accuracy
Quote from: The Zipp on June 12, 2025, 02:16:53 PMwould like to see Wilson get the opportunity to chuck that ball deep - i don't know if Strev can with any accuracy
I certainly wouldn't trust Wilson either.
Who will be the short yardage QB? This game, but also going forward in non-Strev starts. What will happen to Artopoeus if we come out injury free?
Quote from: Waffler on June 12, 2025, 02:37:10 PMWho will be the short yardage QB? This game, but also going forward in non-Strev starts. What will happen to Artopoeus if we come out injury free?
i hope it's Terry for this game - he has some speed/experience.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 12, 2025, 02:51:22 PMi hope it's Terry for this game - he has some speed/experience.
It would be nice to see Wilson get a few SY snaps this game, once Zach comes back he might not touch the field again for a long time.