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Any announcement yet?

Teams have till 10 pm tonight to make there final cuts.

Really curious to see which of the FA vet WRs we cut. 
Also wondering who makes it from the new Defensive guys.

We probably wont know anything until tomorrow.

I was very impressed with the play of Woodbey. 6'1" 235, has excellent closing speed, and was around the ball all night.  Is K. Wilson going to able to stay healthy this season.

All the QBs are safe until at least after our first regular season game.

I would say Allen has outplayed Parker a safety. 6'1" 195. he has excellent size and seems to be a ball hawk.

Corcoran should be the backup to Demski and Clercius.

RW is very close. The Mitchell's are probably fighting it out for one spot.

Webb. at 6'5" 265. might be a nice backup for Willy and Vaughters. Big man with excellent speed. 

Quote from: Pigskin on May 31, 2025, 08:33:04 PMI was very impressed with the play of Woodbey. 6'1" 235, has excellent closing speed, and was around the ball all night.  Is K. Wilson going to able to stay healthy this season.

All the QBs are safe until at least after our first regular season game.

I would say Allen has outplayed Parker a safety. 6'1" 195. he has excellent size and seems to be a ball hawk.

Corcoran should be the backup to Demski and Clercius.

RW is very close. The Mitchell's are probably fighting it out for one spot.

Webb. at 6'5" 265. might be a nice backup for Willy and Vaughters. Big man with excellent speed. 

Good point, he would also make a better injury replacement if Willie or Vaughters go down than the fast/lighter DE's they're looking at Person and Bailey.  Always need 2 DE's that can contain and help run stop.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 31, 2025, 09:13:23 PMGood point, he would also make a better injury replacement if Willie or Vaughters go down than the fast/lighter DE's they're looking at Person and Bailey.  Always need 2 DE's that can contain and help run stop.

Bailey might make the roster since he's a global. So Webb might be a choice as a DI.

Quote from: Pigskin on May 31, 2025, 08:33:04 PMI was very impressed with the play of Woodbey. 6'1" 235, has excellent closing speed, and was around the ball all night.  Is K. Wilson going to able to stay healthy this season.

All the QBs are safe until at least after our first regular season game.

I would say Allen has outplayed Parker a safety. 6'1" 195. he has excellent size and seems to be a ball hawk.

Corcoran should be the backup to Demski and Clercius.

RW is very close. The Mitchell's are probably fighting it out for one spot.

Webb. at 6'5" 265. might be a nice backup for Willy and Vaughters. Big man with excellent speed. 

Hard to argue with any of this some very good insight.  I think we keep both Allen and Parker.

Last year teams made cuts well ahead of whatever the deadline was.
Weather may have caused problems with return home perhaps.

Transactions on CFL.CA today show Wallis released and Case added from suspension?

Quote from: Blue In BC on May 31, 2025, 10:44:11 PMTransactions on CFL.CA today show Wallis released and Case added from suspension?

So Case is back from whatever he needed to do and had to release Wallis as a corresponding move.

Feels like Case is safe in that scenario, though I thought he'd be on the bubble.

Quote from: Jesse on May 31, 2025, 10:48:02 PMSo Case is back from whatever he needed to do and had to release Wallis as a corresponding move.

Feels like Case is safe in that scenario, though I thought he'd be on the bubble.

IDK. If that happened today then it's confusing and was just hours ahead of final roster decisions. I can't see Case making the roster.

 Wallis played last night and he was listed on the depth  chart. Stats showed he had 1 rushing effort.

Quote from: Blue In BC on May 31, 2025, 10:50:50 PMIDK. If that happened today then it's confusing and was just hours ahead of final roster decisions. I can't see Case making the roster.

 Wallis played last night and he was listed on the depth  chart. Stats showed he had 1 rushing effort.

All we know is that he left on Monday, missed the preseason game, and now was added back today.

Another option is this is a paper transaction and he needed to be transferred back from the suspended list in order to be released.

M. Mitchell released according to 3rd down. Info is slow coming.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 01:44:36 AMM. Mitchell released according to 3rd down. Info is slow coming.

I thought he had a good preseason, and that he was clearly ahead of a few others.  Maybe they still have plans for him on the PR.

Man, a bunch of players showed well enough to make the AR but there won't be spots for them.  Some will take PR spots, but I won't be surprised if some turn them down and fly to Hamilton to get looked at  ;D .

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 01:44:36 AMM. Mitchell released according to 3rd down. Info is slow coming.

i can't find that anywhere on their twitter or website.

https://www.cfl.ca/2025/05/31/cutdown-tracker-teams-make-their-final-roster-moves-3/

Wow, Walter Fletcher cut.

https://3downnation.com/2025/05/31/montreal-alouettes-release-running-back-walter-fletcher-19-others/

Also heard Bombers cut Myron Mitchell.

Both Herdman-Reeds gone in Regina.

https://3downnation.com/2025/05/31/saskatchewan-roughriders-cut-17-including-twin-canadian-lbs-justin-jordan-herdman-reed/

It's a little odd that 5 of the Riders 2025 draft picks have been added to there retired list???

Quote from: Pigskin on June 01, 2025, 06:57:08 AMIt's a little odd that 5 of the Riders 2025 draft picks have been added to there retired list???

I guess it's the new way of dealing with guys that are going back to school.

They used to be placed on the suspended list.

Are the times a changing?

CFL teams should look toward corporate ownership.
A need to fund development should be investigated

Liveable wages and an investment education compensation should be a part of young prospects who want to play pro, but need a year or two at a professional level to become "professional players."  Maybe in due time.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on June 01, 2025, 03:21:58 AMI thought he had a good preseason, and that he was clearly ahead of a few others.  Maybe they still have plans for him on the PR.

Really? I thought he was given so much opportunity but failed to do anything with it.

I'm ready for the list now!

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 01, 2025, 01:07:54 PMI'm ready for the list now!

Get ready to be waiting for 4 more hours!

Tough decisions. Plus everyone is in bed.

Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2025, 01:20:10 PMGet ready to be waiting for 4 more hours!

I need something to keep checking in between yardwork and cleaning!

Cuts are up. Allen & Cooley to PR
Surprised Case is kept around, but Isiah Avery & Webb were cut
Nothing about Corcoran - does that mean he made the active roster?
Nothing about Ayers, Shay or Smith

CfL.ca's ransaction page shows the following moves:

Cuts
Atkinson
Harris
Adair
Evans
M.Mitchell
Lawson-Greenwood
Gown
Kwemo
Wright
Hemphill
Brown
Daughtry
Webb
A.K. Gassama
Avery
Levesqe-Gallant
Hall
Brini
Pointer
D.Lawson
Leroux
Bridges
Dandy
Wallis


PR
Allen
Munier-Bailey
Cooley
Vibert
Woodbey
Person
Elsbury
Cobb
White Jr.
Ball
Case

Who scouts defensive backs for the Bombers?

"Defensive backs R us"

Looking at the transaction on CFL.CA look to be still fluid. So far it appears that Randolph and Vanterpool are still on the AR. OTOH, so are Jones, Jones, Ayers, Wilson and Griffin.  It appears we're planning on using LB's as additional DL rotational players instead of any rookie imports?

D. Mitchell, Sterns and Wheatfall still on AR.  All 4 QB's but Collaros will be on suspended list for game 1.

The ratio doesn't add up at the moment.

Aside from Canadian draft choices, I don't see any rookies listed making the AR. Vaval makes the AR while Logan is on IR.

Evans and M. Mitchell the 2 biggest surprises. How do you keep Case over M. Mitchell? Just assuming he didn't want PR. Evans is too good not to be at least on a PR somewhere.

I'm just glad that we were able to keep Cooley, Ayers, Allen & Vanterpool
For the time being at least.

Quote from: Waffler on June 01, 2025, 02:24:59 PMEvans and M. Mitchell the 2 biggest surprises. How do you keep Case over M. Mitchell? Just assuming he didn't want PR. Evans is too good not to be at least on a PR somewhere.

We draft 2 global players and one isn't even good enough to make the PR? Why do we bother. Weitz makes the AR by default and even that may change.  Why didn't we just keep our 1st pick on the AR after trading up to get him. At worst he'd be of some use as rotational depth on the DL.

Dukes cut in Toronto? He will end up somewhere before long.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 02:38:51 PMWe draft 2 global players and one isn't even good enough to make the PR? Why do we bother. Weitz makes the AR by default and even that may change.

I would guess that Weitz is on IR after that hit, and the new global guy did make the PR

I expect there will be a lot of shuffling for the final roster over the next week. As I mentioned, the ratio is off as far as I can tell. What they end up doing IDK, but the fact there were no cuts made we might have expected is a surprise.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on June 01, 2025, 02:42:50 PMI would guess that Weitz is on IR after that hit, and the new global guy did make the PR

Perhaps.  The injury didn't show on the broadcast and it could well be that he gets moved to IR and Bailey gets moved to the AR almost by default. That would leave us with no global on the PR. I think that's not allowed in the rules but I could be incorrect. Or we add another Canadian to the AR in the short term and leave Baily on the PR.

Mazonko doesn't show on the 6 game IR and in theory that's where he is at the moment.  Lofton still on the AR but I expect him to be moved to 1 game IR?

I think there are still 53 players left on the AR so something has to give. Even with 2 players likely to be moved to IR that's still excess roster size. It also has 28 imports at the moment.

D. Mitchell making the roster is a bit surprising to me. Hardly used in the last game and out played in camp by both M. Mitchell and Hall, who was not a game breaker but caught everything. How much more rope will he get I am wondering.

Quote from: Waffler on June 01, 2025, 02:24:59 PMEvans and M. Mitchell the 2 biggest surprises. How do you keep Case over M. Mitchell? Just assuming he didn't want PR. Evans is too good not to be at least on a PR somewhere.

Evans isn't surprising in the sense that the team seems to love Sheehan, though fans don't.

Mitchell has done nothing to prove he belongs here.

Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2025, 03:18:23 PMEvans isn't surprising in the sense that the team seems to love Sheehan, though fans don't.

Mitchell has done nothing to prove he belongs here.

If I had seen only the games I would be feeling the same way. Many days in camp he was the best out there, Demski excluded of course. Sterns the same but he made the team.  I feel like M. Mitchell probably refused PR wondering what he has to do.

With Evans I just feel his youth and powerful leg would keep him around.

Blue Bombers Transactions - June 1, 2025

WINNIPEG, MB., June 1, 2025 – The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the following transactions:

Released from roster:

American receiver Keilahn Harris
National receiver Nic Kwemo
National receiver AK Gassama
American receiver Bryson Daughtry
American receiver Reggie Brown
American receiver David Wallis
American receiver Myron Mitchell
American receiver Jaylen Hall
American defensive lineman Devo Bridges
National receiver Nick Adair
American offensive lineman Aidan Hemphill
American offensive lineman Christophe Atkinson
National offensive lineman Alexis Levesque-Gallant
American defensive back Dexter Lawson Jr.
American defensive lineman Kevin Pointer
American defensive lineman Marquise Lawson-Greenwood
American defensive lineman Phillip Webb
American defensive lineman Brandon Wright
American defensive back Isaiah Avery
American defensive back Russell Dandy
American defensive back Tay Gowan
American defensive back Latavious Brini
National long snapper Ian Leroux
Global punter James Evans

Added to practice roster:

American running back Quinton Cooley
American receiver Reggie White Jr.
National receiver Gavin Cobb
American receiver Kody Case
American defensive back Cam Allen
American defensive back Jaiden Woodbey
American defensive lineman Jay Person
American offensive lineman Tyler Elsbury
National offensive lineman Ethan Vibert
National defensive back Ethan Ball
Global defensive lineman Kemari Munier-Bailey

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 02:45:36 PMI expect there will be a lot of shuffling for the final roster over the next week. As I mentioned, the ratio is off as far as I can tell. What they end up doing IDK, but the fact there were no cuts made we might have expected is a surprise.

Almost need to see a depth chart to make sense of their plan, but somethings not right, this is like a transition step to buy more time.  I suspect competition will continue for another 2 weeks until the final roster is determined.

well i think the D line has improved with Vaughters addition. sadly i dont see a marked improvement in the LB's..

wilson
jones
kramdi

if that is the starting lineup - can't say it is improved over last year. kyries looked slow last season...

is Bridges going to be starting in the secondary?

Quote from: The Zipp on June 01, 2025, 04:14:20 PMwell i think the D line has improved with Vaughters addition. sadly i dont see a marked improvement in the LB's..

wilson
jones
kramdi

if that is the starting lineup - can't say it is improved over last year. kyries looked slow last season...

is Bridges going to be starting in the secondary?

I think week one we're gonna see Bridges at CB, but by week 3 or 4 it'll be Parker with Allen at S. Seems like simply vet preference right now (for better or worse).

Vaughters boosts our floor but the lack of DEs is ridiculous considering right now we have 6 DTs on the AR.

Quote from: kkc60 on June 01, 2025, 04:18:15 PMI think week one we're gonna see Bridges at CB, but by week 3 or 4 it'll be Parker with Allen at S. Seems like simply vet preference right now (for better or worse).

Vaughters boosts our floor but the lack of DEs is ridiculous considering right now we have 6 DTs on the AR.

Judging by the amount of linebackers we kept, the plan will likely be to run a 3-4. I like that our LBs are pretty flexible and can either run stop or drop into the secondary.

Not surprised at any of this cuts. About what I figured for the PR. If, we get some injuries, we have some quality players that can step in.

Quote from: The Zipp on June 01, 2025, 04:14:20 PMwell i think the D line has improved with Vaughters addition. sadly i dont see a marked improvement in the LB's..

wilson
jones
kramdi

if that is the starting lineup - can't say it is improved over last year. kyries looked slow last season...

is Bridges going to be starting in the secondary?

Not worried about the LB's, there is always plenty of rotation and the deck is stacked with good players.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 01, 2025, 05:14:12 PMNot worried about the LB's, there is always plenty of rotation and the deck is stacked with good players.

good...not great

Quote from: The Zipp on June 01, 2025, 05:21:55 PMgood...not great

I like this linebacking group a lot better than last year.

Quote from: The Zipp on June 01, 2025, 05:21:55 PMgood...not great

Young, could be great. Especially the new picks.

I guess Webb's scoop and score wasn't enough to get him a PR spot, unfortunate.

D. Mitchell is a case of we paid for it, hopefully he gets back into shape...

M. Mitchell to Hamilton?  Too many bodies ahead of him here.  Guess Vaval beat him out for the KR/DI spot.

Surprised White took a PR spot.

Whatfall, Sterns, Mitchell vying for 2 spots, 1 DI.  Guessing Mitchell is DI until he gets back into shape.  And if he doesn't, White steps in.

8 OL on the AR?  Have we done that before?  A DI Olineman?  or 2?

Did Chase show enough to chase Wilson off the roster?  Game 1, sure, game 2, maybe not...

Quote from: The Zipp on June 01, 2025, 04:14:20 PMwell i think the D line has improved with Vaughters addition. sadly i dont see a marked improvement in the LB's..

wilson
jones
kramdi

if that is the starting lineup - can't say it is improved over last year. kyries looked slow last season...

is Bridges going to be starting in the secondary?

Disagree about your take on LBs, agree DL looks solid.  Our starting LBs are good and will be great by year end as long as Wilson is healthy.  We have a lot of prospects behind them, returning players / vets.  I see this as a pilar of strength for us.   Overall an above average unit imo.  Our LBs will be very dynamic and a pillar of our D with so many different looks.

Hopefully Bridges can take the next step and that way we have many options.  But agree with others could see Allen sooner than later but as it is I think we look ok.  Just not sure if Bridges is ready.

Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2025, 06:22:09 PMI guess Webb's scoop and score wasn't enough to get him a PR spot, unfortunate.

D. Mitchell is a case of we paid for it, hopefully he gets back into shape...

M. Mitchell to Hamilton?  Too many bodies ahead of him here.  Guess Vaval beat him out for the KR/DI spot.

Surprised White took a PR spot.

Whatfall, Sterns, Mitchell vying for 2 spots, 1 DI.  Guessing Mitchell is DI until he gets back into shape.  And if he doesn't, White steps in.

8 OL on the AR?  Have we done that before?  A DI Olineman?  or 2?

Did Chase show enough to chase Wilson off the roster?  Game 1, sure, game 2, maybe not...

We won't have room for a receiver as a DI. There are already too many imports currently on the AR. Mostly at the LB position where we still have the 4 we started with from 2024 plus J. Jones . Lofton likely goes to IR or Randolph back to PR. Not sure what the injury is and we have until June 12 to evaluate.

At the moment it does look like a 3 import OL with the only question is Lofton status. That also means only 7 starting Canadians. 4 DI's of which 2 will be Laval as the returner and Castillo.

I think there ill only be room for 1 of Woods or Adams at DT. Then we have the question of 5 LB's: Jones, Jones, Wilson, Ayers and Griffin. One of the import receivers will need to be moved off the AR to PR I suppose.

Make your picks but I'm guessing Griffin sticks since he's the back up at SAM. Wilson and J. Jones as starters?

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 01, 2025, 07:01:04 PMDisagree about your take on LBs.  Our starting LBs are good and will be great by year end as long as Wilson is healthy.  We have a lot of prospects behind them, returning players / vets.  I see this as a pilar of strength for us.   Overall an above average unit imo.

Hopefully Bridges can take the next step and that way we have many options.  But agree with others could see Allen sooner than later but as it is I think we look ok.  Just not sure if Bridges is ready.

What do you disagree about the LB's? There may be a question as to which Jones we keep but there is no roster room for everybody on the AR. Even if Wilson is healthy is he an upgrade to Ayers or J. Jones at WIL? That's debatable.

Noting that when we had 9 Canadians starting we had roster space for Ayers and most importantly Bighill on the AR.  What we have is a change by deletion still somewhat in flux. If T. Jones is the MLB then isn't much change aside from deletions. Certainly depth would look better but will the extra Jones and / or Ayers even accept a PR spot?

Can J. Jones play SAM and bump Griffin?

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 07:03:14 PMWe won't have room for a receiver as a DI. There are already too many imports currently on the AR. Mostly at the LB position where we still have the 4 we started with from 2024 plus J. Jones . Lofton likely goes to IR or Randolph back to PR. Not sure what the injury is and we have until June 12 to evaluate.

At the moment it does look like a 3 import OL with the only question is Lofton status. That also means only 7 starting Canadians. 4 DI's of which 2 will be Laval as the returner and Castillo.

I think there ill only be room for 1 of Woods or Adams at DT. Then we have the question of 5 LB's: Jones, Jones, Wilson, Ayers and Griffin. One of the import receivers will need to be moved off the AR to PR I suppose.

Make your picks but I'm guessing Griffin sticks since he's the back up at SAM. Wilson and J. Jones as starters?

Another 10 days of speculating until they rip off the bandage, a few hard decisions will have to be made. 

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 01, 2025, 07:44:45 PMAnother 10 days of speculating until they rip off the bandage, a few hard decisions will have to be made. 

Yes but I see no chance of a receiver as a DI at the cost of one of the defensive choices. Technically I think there is only room for 1 other player on the PR. Two spots are allocated to global players and we have 1 on the PR already. That's another issue in juggling the AR and overall roster.

Remote chance Vaval gets bumped by the extra receiver but then we'd also be thin at DB depth due to injuries. He was also the best healthy returner.

Quote from: BomberFan73 on June 01, 2025, 04:58:17 PMJudging by the amount of linebackers we kept, the plan will likely be to run a 3-4. I like that our LBs are pretty flexible and can either run stop or drop into the secondary.

6 DTs to have one of them in the field at a time? Don't think so.

Adams will see some time in the edge and there's likely more moves coming.

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 01, 2025, 07:01:04 PMDisagree about your take on LBs.  Our starting LBs are good and will be great by year end as long as Wilson is healthy.  We have a lot of prospects behind them, returning players / vets.  I see this as a pilar of strength for us.   Overall an above average unit imo.

Hopefully Bridges can take the next step and that way we have many options.  But agree with others could see Allen sooner than later but as it is I think we look ok.  Just not sure if Bridges is ready.

Kramdi is good but Wilson is old and declining (this isn't 2019 Wilson), Tony Jones is average.

Kramdi/J.Jones/Ayers is much more exciting.

Quote from: RebusRankin on June 01, 2025, 08:05:38 PMKramdi is good but Wilson is old and declining (this isn't 2019 Wilson), Tony Jones is average.

Kramdi/J.Jones/Ayers is much more exciting.

Agree on Kramdi
TJ will be above average
Yes JJ and Ayers are good, but that's why we will be so good as our depth is great.  Will see plenty rotation, different looks, like MOS says they all play.

Agree that trio is exciting but don't count TJ and Wilson out.  Wilson will provide stability, leadership and consistency if healthy yes and older player but I believe should have one more round in him.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 02:38:51 PMWe draft 2 global players and one isn't even good enough to make the PR? Why do we bother. Weitz makes the AR by default and even that may change.  Why didn't we just keep our 1st pick on the AR after trading up to get him. At worst he'd be of some use as rotational depth on the DL.

We bother with the global draft as you never know who might pop out.  You are not for the globals, we know that.

Quote from: Jesse on June 01, 2025, 03:18:23 PMEvans isn't surprising in the sense that the team seems to love Sheehan, though fans don't.

Mitchell has done nothing to prove he belongs here.

It's Sheahan
I like him
Hard to know how Mitchell will pan out
Last few years seen some massive leg punters in the league, which are awesome,  but it's not the only way to do it

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 01, 2025, 09:06:13 PMAgree on Kramdi
TJ will be above average
Yes JJ and Ayers are good, but that's why we will be so good as our depth is great.  Will see plenty rotation, different looks, like MOS says they all play.

Agree that trio is exciting but don't count TJ and Wilson out.  Wilson will provide stability, leadership and consistency if healthy yes and older player but I believe should have one more round in him.
We bother with the global draft as you never know who might pop out.  You are not for the globals, we know that.It's Sheahan
I like him
Hard to know how Mitchell will pan out
Last few years seen some massive leg punters in the league, which are awesome,  but it's not the only way to do it

The intent of the global program was to extend / increase the worldwide base of interest and revenue. That has been an absolute failure.

Global players are essentially a strange way of adding non Canadians as a form or DI's. They don't have to compete against actual imports since their spots on rosters are mandated. Essentially they only have to beat out a Canadian to achieve a 2nd player on the AR.

In the 2025 global draft, the 1st pick was cut outright by Calgary. I'm not sure if he survived the final roster cuts when picked up alter.

The 2nd pick was by the Bombers and he ended up on our PR.

Tell me how he's better than any of our import LB's that we can't keep due to ratio constraints for DI's. If any of our import LB's had the same criteria to make the roster ( rather than an arbitrary designation ), who would you keep.

I haven't checked but of the 18 global players drafted in 2025, how many made an AR?

I'm on record. Get rid of global designation and add 2 regular DI's instead. In that way, current and future global players can still make an Ar. They won't be handed a spot because of a " special " designation. They would just be non Canadian players.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 09:27:19 PMThe intent of the global program was to extend / increase the worldwide base of interest and revenue. That has been an absolute failure.

Global players are essentially a strange way of adding non Canadians as a form or DI's. They don't have to compete against actual imports since their spots on rosters are mandated. Essentially they only have to beat out a Canadian to achieve a 2nd player on the AR.

In the 2025 global draft, the 1st pick was cut outright by Calgary. I'm not sure if he survived the final roster cuts when picked up alter.

The 2nd pick was by the Bombers and he ended up on our PR.

Tell me how he's better than any of our import LB's that we can't keep due to ratio constraints for DI's. If any of our import LB's had the same criteria to make the roster ( rather than an arbitrary designation ), who would you keep.

I haven't checked but of the 18 global players drafted in 2025, how many made an AR?

I'm on record. Get rid of global designation and add 2 regular DI's instead. In that way, current and future global players can still make an Ar. They won't be handed a spot because of a " special " designation. They would just be non Canadian players.

Not looking for a global debate.  We know your stance on the issue.  I have enjoyed seeing some fresh talent as a result of the program, mostly for punters.  You said why do we bother, which is simple, to get better as a gem of a global might be available.  For now, all clubs bother because that's how the league is setup at the moment, good, bad or ugly depending on one's take and opinion on the matter.

As a result of the global program, we have seen a few players contribute and maybe this year could happen again. 

Quote from: theaardvark on June 01, 2025, 03:24:45 AMMan, a bunch of players showed well enough to make the AR but there won't be spots for them.  Some will take PR spots, but I won't be surprised if some turn them down and fly to Hamilton to get looked at  ;D .

Ex-Bombers Josh Johnson and Kyle Samson ended up on Ti-Cats PR, Walters probably won't be interested in them but small payback could be served Goveia if they snatched Canadian receiver Keaton Bruggeling off their PR.  Watching this weekends game highlights, this guy looks good enough to replace Woli. within a year or two.

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 01, 2025, 09:31:57 PMNot looking for a global debate.  We know your stance on the issue.  I have enjoyed seeing some fresh talent as a result of the program, mostly for punters.  You said why do we bother, which is simple, to get better as a gem of a global might be available.  For now, all clubs bother because that's how the league is setup at the moment, good, bad or ugly depending on one's take and opinion on the matter.

As a result of the global program, we have seen a few players contribute and maybe this year could happen again. 

The forum is a debate about all things Bombers and CFL. You can't escape a debate on any position taken.

The debate is about whether the global designation should exist, not whether a global player could be included as a regular DI as I indicated as an import.

I took a quick look at the 1st round in 2025 and it doesn't appear any made an AR. A couple landed on PR's though. Also note that 11 of 18 draft choices, were kickers.


Like I said it's an arbitrary situation which is not serving it's stated goal.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 01, 2025, 09:33:32 PMEx-Bombers Josh Johnson and Kyle Samson ended up on Ti-Cats PR, Walters probably won't be interested in them but small payback could be served Goveia if they snatched Canadian receiver Keaton Bruggeling off their PR.  Watching this weekends game highlights, this guy looks good enough to replace Woli. within a year or two.

Teams don't usually " take " a player off another teams PR without some sort of agreement. Whether he'd be of interest IDK but I don't expect to see him in Winnipeg. There were a number of Canadian receivers released outright across the CFL that might be of greater interest.

Our depth might be a bit thin, but that's debatable. Cobb is on our PR and might yet make the AR before game 1.

At the moment we appear to have 12 new faces on the AR roster. That is partially due to injuries and might change by game 1.

6 new Canadians. 4 drafted, 1 traded for and 1 in free agency ( Makonzo ) who is injured in theory.

It's interesting that the final roster is never complete day 1 and a bit of a slippery slope. I count 53 players left at the moment.

Expectations for a few have been mentioned. At least 2 will be moved to IR and Collaros to suspended for game 1.  What happens with the extra 5 is just guess work. Each team seems to adjust differently. Even the Bombers have some players on our suspended list. I'm not sure if this means Collaros can practice this week but can't play game 1 and is just a late paper shuffle.

Artopoleus was also potentially injured so that may be an issue having 3 QB's for game 1. I suppose they could roster him even if doesn't dress which we did last year with Collaros in a game or two. Weitz was another player injured, so he might be a guy headed to IR.

Anyway. Hopefully we don't experience any further injuries before game 1. Let the players decide who makes the AR for game 1 over the next 11 days.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2025, 09:40:10 PMThe forum is a debate about all things Bombers and CFL. You can't escape a debate on any position taken.

The debate is about whether the global designation should exist, not whether a global player could be included as a regular DI as I indicated as an import.

I took a quick look at the 1st round in 2025 and it doesn't appear any made an AR. A couple landed on PR's though. Also note that 11 of 18 draft choices, were kickers.


Like I said it's an arbitrary situation which is not serving it's stated goal.

Yup a time but also the right place for all debates here, like I mentioned I am not interested in engaging in a deep dive but maybe others are.  The topic has been discussed at length in the past and it's not the topic of this thread.  If you want to discuss that in more depth, revive an old thread or make a new one.  I didn't intend to sound like it wasn't welcome as I and many value your opinion; best not to derail this thread. 

A good debate to be sure, one I'm not personally interested in chiming in on at the depth you are.   Specifically, if it should exist or not, which I'm impartial on.

I just wanted to point out that there was at least some value in this year's global draft imo.  For now it's a part of the league and I hope some of these players get a job, contribute, gain some new exposure and fans for this great league.

Looking at the cuts/ roster OSheas bias towards vets is readily apparent and to some degree to the detriment of the team specifically:
 1. Cam Allen outplayed Parker and his upside is much better
 2  Bridges at corner is adequate, but wont come close to Ford.Gowan looked better to me. We brought in a ton of dbs and none were better than what already have? Reflects badly on scouting.
3 Woodbey looked like an upgrade to Wilson as well.
The only import rookie newcomer to make the active roster was Vaval and that's likely til Logan returns
4 Evans looked to be a improvement to Sheehan as well.

Quote from: Pete on June 01, 2025, 11:06:23 PMLooking at the cuts/ roster OSheas bias towards vets is readily apparent and to some degree to the detriment of the team specifically:
 1. Cam Allen outplayed Parker and his upside is much better
 2  Bridges at corner is adequate, but wont come close to Ford.Gowan looked better to me. We brought in a ton of dbs and none were better than what already have? Reflects badly on scouting.
3 Woodbey looked like an upgrade to Wilson as well.
The only import rookie newcomer to make the active roster was Vaval and that's likely til Logan returns
4 Evans looked to be a improvement to Sheehan as well.

1. Allen on PR will be on the roster at some point.  Parker is a good vet has more versatility.  He will provide leadership, continuity and consistency.  No doubt Allen shows good promise but best to slow roast fresh meat lol.
2.Very few are as good as Ford,  hard to follow up that.  Bridges should be ok, not sure yet.  Gowan had promise, maybe a call back down the road if needed.  Bridges had the experience and has some upside likely (guessing).
3.Woodbey showed well, he will continue to develop and is part of our future (hope).  Way to early to suggest he is > Wilson imo
4.  Better leg but I trust the Mafia here.  Sheahan is proven and reliable and exceptional at directional punting but yes can't boom it.

I actually think the opposite.  Because we stuck with many vets, I believe we have increased our chances this year.  Key is for these older players to remain healthy.  Could have slightly reduced our overall depth longer term by cutting some good fresh talent and putting some on the PR but I think we hit a good balance.

Quote from: Pete on June 01, 2025, 11:06:23 PMLooking at the cuts/ roster OSheas bias towards vets is readily apparent and to some degree to the detriment of the team specifically:
 1. Cam Allen outplayed Parker and his upside is much better
 2  Bridges at corner is adequate, but wont come close to Ford.Gowan looked better to me. We brought in a ton of dbs and none were better than what already have? Reflects badly on scouting.
3 Woodbey looked like an upgrade to Wilson as well.
The only import rookie newcomer to make the active roster was Vaval and that's likely til Logan returns
4 Evans looked to be a improvement to Sheehan as well.

When Wilson is healthy, he is excellent. However, he has only played in 28 games out of a possible 68 over the last four seasons. Having a player like Woodbey on the PR is a good thing. The same goes for Parker. He played in only 21 games over the last three seasons. I like Allen he's a big physical safety.

Quote from: Pigskin on June 02, 2025, 03:17:30 AMWhen Wilson is healthy, he is excellent. However, he has only played in 28 games out of a possible 68 over the last four seasons. Having a player like Woodbey on the PR is a good thing. The same goes for Parker. He played in only 21 games over the last three seasons. I like Allen he's a big physical safety.

In 2019, Kyrie was an impact player. Entering 2021, I thought he was going to be the league's DPOY. But injuries. Now, even when healthy, he is no longer that guy.

What he is/can be: A useful part of Jordan Younger's defence. We saw the Bombers be a league best defence last year. We act as a team and we shut down the opponents. Wilson is a useful veteran part of the whole.

What he is not: An impact player that can make game changing plays outside of the team structure. Wilson had a very positive trajectory when he was younger that has flatlined. He is not hurting us, but he's not the player that is making a game changing play on the final drive of the Grey Cup either.

And that's something we need to address. We need to be looking for those impact players that can come up in big moments and get us over the hump. And given that we have a young player who we are developing (Ayers), and went out in free agency to address the problem (Jones), and drafted at the position (Shay, Smith, Novak), I think the team knows we need to upgrade as well.

Quote from: Jesse on June 02, 2025, 03:41:29 PMIn 2019, Kyrie was an impact player. Entering 2021, I thought he was going to be the league's DPOY. But injuries. Now, even when healthy, he is no longer that guy.

What he is/can be: A useful part of Jordan Younger's defence. We saw the Bombers be a league best defence last year. We act as a team and we shut down the opponents. Wilson is a useful veteran part of the whole.

What he is not: An impact player that can make game changing plays outside of the team structure. Wilson had a very positive trajectory when he was younger that has flatlined. He is not hurting us, but he's not the player that is making a game changing play on the final drive of the Grey Cup either.

And that's something we need to address. We need to be looking for those impact players that can come up in big moments and get us over the hump. And given that we have a young player who we are developing (Ayers), and went out in free agency to address the problem (Jones), and drafted at the position (Shay, Smith, Novak), I think the team knows we need to upgrade as well.

All true about Wilson. However we kept Woodbey on the PR and have Jones, Jones and Ayers to account for on the roster. I like them all but something has to give. I've said this a few times but it's still a big question before game day.

Aside from that is the status of Lofton and whether we also go 3 import OL. On paper that appears to be the case.

Quote from: Jesse on June 02, 2025, 03:41:29 PMIn 2019, Kyrie was an impact player. Entering 2021, I thought he was going to be the league's DPOY. But injuries. Now, even when healthy, he is no longer that guy.

What he is/can be: A useful part of Jordan Younger's defence. We saw the Bombers be a league best defence last year. We act as a team and we shut down the opponents. Wilson is a useful veteran part of the whole.

What he is not: An impact player that can make game changing plays outside of the team structure. Wilson had a very positive trajectory when he was younger that has flatlined. He is not hurting us, but he's not the player that is making a game changing play on the final drive of the Grey Cup either.

And that's something we need to address. We need to be looking for those impact players that can come up in big moments and get us over the hump. And given that we have a young player who we are developing (Ayers), and went out in free agency to address the problem (Jones), and drafted at the position (Shay, Smith, Novak), I think the team knows we need to upgrade as well.

Have to wonder if they intentionally went after Jon Jones in FA or if he just fell into their lap.  Not a lot of reason to re-sign Kyrie if they were going after a LB with Ayers already waiting in the hopper. Drafting 2 young LB's muddies the waters even further, I think Shay may be targeted as a starter next year which could signal the end for Gauthier shortly.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 02, 2025, 05:26:55 PMHave to wonder if they intentionally went after Jon Jones in FA or if he just fell into their lap.  Not a lot of reason to re-sign Kyrie if they were going after a LB with Ayers already waiting in the hopper. Drafting 2 young LB's muddies the waters even further, I think Shay may be targeted as a starter next year which could signal the end for Gauthier shortly.

You don't know that a player is going to step on the field and make an impact until you see them on the field. And on a MOS led team, you do need to beat a veteran. His position will not be handed to you. So I expect to see Ayers and Jones and the draft picks on the field, and I don't really expect Wilson to be starting next year. How fast all that happens depends on a bunch of different variables that we'll see play out over the season.

Quote from: Jesse on June 02, 2025, 06:28:33 PMYou don't know that a player is going to step on the field and make an impact until you see them on the field. And on a MOS led team, you do need to beat a veteran. His position will not be handed to you.

Mafia showed that they'll cut who needs to be cut with Biggie.  If K.Wilson was showing the same issues, he'd be cut too.  But he isn't/wasn't.  So let's give him a chance.  We have a few possible WILLs in-house right now that can easily step in if/when Kyrie loses a step.

Keep in mind:
1) all last season Kyrie was on IR or nursing an injury.
2) he hasn't gotten injured yet all TC/PS (a good sign)
3) we clearly value his football IQ and want to pass it on to the next gen

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 02, 2025, 07:07:57 PMMafia showed that they'll cut who needs to be cut with Biggie.  If K.Wilson was showing the same issues, he'd be cut too.  But he isn't/wasn't.  So let's give him a chance.  We have a few possible WILLs in-house right now that can easily step in if/when Kyrie loses a step.

Keep in mind:
1) all last season Kyrie was on IR or nursing an injury.
2) he hasn't gotten injured yet all TC/PS (a good sign)
3) we clearly value his football IQ and want to pass it on to the next gen

Agree with all 100%, love the attitude here.  When healthy he is very good still imo.  #3 is key, he will held us win now and also setup the next gen by downloading his experience and provides a great deal of stability and leader as we transition to the next gen.

I have found the worry about our LB crew slightly overstated for a few years by some.  Previously some were very critical on Kramdi and he turned out just fine.  Some were a little hard on Biggie at the end. Then we collectively worried about Biggies replacement but found some new faces.  A healthy Wilson is a pillar of strength for this group but it's success is its depth which is outstanding.  I am very happen with the Jones's.

Our defense has been lights out good for years and will be again imo.  Just need to solidify the corner.

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 02, 2025, 08:56:10 PMI have found the worry about our LB crew slightly overstated for a few years by some.

Our run D was very good late last season and post-season.  We manage to do effective run stop without stuffing the line pre-snap.  Yes, it often/usually gives up an automatic 2-4 instead of 0, but you can work with that.  And yes, when we guess wrong on the play call we sometimes give up 15-30Y, but only 1-2 a game.

It's funny, but we play the run completely differently than when we had Stove/Nevis, but it works for us.  I'm not sure if it shows up in the stats, but watching the games I can see what Younger/Hall are doing and appreciate how it helps our D.

However, our LBers seemed weaker on the short pass game, and that is really what killed us in the GC.  I guess a good OC will take advantage of our run & deep-pass-stop focus and eat our LBers with the short pass.

Maybe this year we can solve that riddle, and be a bit more balanced.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 02, 2025, 09:27:11 PMOur run D was very good late last season and post-season.  We manage to do effective run stop without stuffing the line pre-snap.  Yes, it often/usually gives up an automatic 2-4 instead of 0, but you can work with that.  And yes, when we guess wrong on the play call we sometimes give up 15-30Y, but only 1-2 a game.

It's funny, but we play the run completely differently than when we had Stove/Nevis, but it works for us.  I'm not sure if it shows up in the stats, but watching the games I can see what Younger/Hall are doing and appreciate how it helps our D.

However, our LBers seemed weaker on the short pass game, and that is really what killed us in the GC.  I guess a good OC will take advantage of our run & deep-pass-stop focus and eat our LBers with the short pass.

Maybe this year we can solve that riddle, and be a bit more balanced.

I wouldn't have thought of it but you are right those short passes the LBs are wiffing on have hurt BAD

Also agree about run stop D, issue is the big plays but you are right frequency is low per game

Can someone fill me on Novak?, haven't hear the chatter on him.

The Team sometimes has a Somewhat unrealistic approach to players with injuries. Maybe an unrealistic idea of what a player can overcome. Or whether they are capable of contributing when injured.( I know they all play injured.)


One Example being Adam Bighill in the Grey Cup two seasons ago.

Wilson might be another example.

Bighill wasn't even moved on from, he's physically unable to play. Brandon Alexander would be a better example.

But like I said, Kyrie is a fine piece of the puzzle that doesn't hurt us, but he's not what we hoped he'd be.

It's not like Jeffcoat who played 13 games and was an all star in them.

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 02, 2025, 10:17:39 PMI wouldn't have thought of it but you are right those short passes the LBs are wiffing on have hurt BAD

Also agree about run stop D, issue is the big plays but you are right frequency is low per game

Can someone fill me on Novak?, haven't hear the chatter on him.

I'm not even sure it was a lb issue, Arbuckle just had way to much time. A lb just doesn't have the speed to cover for an extended time

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 02, 2025, 09:27:11 PMMaybe this year we can solve that riddle, and be a bit more balanced.

That's a good thought. Younger had a very good first year and should be a better, more experienced defensive coordinator.

Hogan has the possibility to be a better offensive coordinator than Buck was especially if he can meld and channel the input of Zach/Jarious and harness the contributions of Brady/Cooley running behind an improved O-line. I'm very excited to see the potential of this team manifest on the field.

Quote from: Pete on June 02, 2025, 11:47:28 PMI'm not even sure it was a lb issue, Arbuckle just had way to much time. A lb just doesn't have the speed to cover for an extended time

We don't make the flat dangerous, like other teams do.  We never have a LBer crossing the other way against a dig/slant to blow up the REC, like other teams do.  On many short pass plays you wonder where all the LBers even are!  Often not even on camera.

Compare with other teams that create very busy flats that seem to contain tons of D players.  Remember how Henoc & McManus would blow up RECs and/or INT in the 2 GCs?  Ya, we have none of that.

Why?  Are they all coming to the line or dropping deep in pass coverage?  Or on the wrong side of the flat all the time?  I don't know, but it's a real problem and part of why our D gave up those TDs in the last GC.

As for "LBers can't cover that long", I don't want cover, I want LBers in place to blow up receptions head-on (not trailing), and LBers in the lanes to make the game-winning INTs.  You know, like all the other good teams do!

Quote from: Pete on June 02, 2025, 11:47:28 PMI'm not even sure it was a lb issue, Arbuckle just had way to much time. A lb just doesn't have the speed to cover for an extended time

Agreed. Arbuckle had all day to make a play, and did. We need to improve our pass rush and you'll see our LB's covering the flat issue solve itself.

Quote from: markf on June 02, 2025, 11:13:33 PMThe Team sometimes has a Somewhat unrealistic approach to players with injuries. Maybe an unrealistic idea of what a player can overcome. Or whether they are capable of contributing when injured.( I know they all play injured.)


One Example being Adam Bighill in the Grey Cup two seasons ago.

Wilson might be another example.

Can't agree with much of this one.

Bighill is one of the best all time, who yes played one game when he shouldn't have.  Easy to say shouldn't have after.

Wilson is good enough to hope he can play an entire season, even if not still will contribute, just like Jeffcoat did.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 03, 2025, 01:07:39 AMWe don't make the flat dangerous, like other teams do.  We never have a LBer crossing the other way against a dig/slant to blow up the REC, like other teams do.  On many short pass plays you wonder where all the LBers even are!  Often not even on camera.

Compare with other teams that create very busy flats that seem to contain tons of D players.  Remember how Henoc & McManus would blow up RECs and/or INT in the 2 GCs?  Ya, we have none of that.

Why?  Are they all coming to the line or dropping deep in pass coverage?  Or on the wrong side of the flat all the time?  I don't know, but it's a real problem and part of why our D gave up those TDs in the last GC.

As for "LBers can't cover that long", I don't want cover, I want LBers in place to blow up receptions head-on (not trailing), and LBers in the lanes to make the game-winning INTs.  You know, like all the other good teams do!

Noticed last season Safety and MLB playing more traditional roles than years before, BA was hanging back more and doing less run stopping and Tony Jones was not dropping deep into cover playing pass defence like Bighill used to do.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 02:38:35 AMNoticed last season Safety and MLB playing more traditional roles than years before, BA was hanging back more and doing less run stopping and Tony Jones was not dropping deep into cover playing pass defence like Bighill used to do.

I can't say I noticed that a ton myself, but I'll pay more attention now.  I did notice Tony being used more as a rover than a hole-stuffer like Biggie was getting to be.

Now that you mention it, maybe BA37 was hanging back more often because T.Jones was getting so good at run-stop without any d.backfield support.

I think a new full year of T.Jones should yield dividends, especially if Wilson is back to form (both physical and brain).

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 03, 2025, 02:09:04 AMCan't agree with much of this one.

Bighill is one of the best all time, who yes played one game when he shouldn't have.  Easy to say shouldn't have after.

Wilson is good enough to hope he can play an entire season, even if not still will contribute, just like Jeffcoat did.

I Guess I wasn't clear, I didn't mean they should have moved on From Adam Bighill earlier,

I meant he wasn't physically up to playing in that game.  " The star middle linebacker was wearing a walking boot on his right leg Monday when the team departed for Hamilton, fuelling the speculation that he won't be available to play against the Montreal Alouettes in the CFL's championship game on Sunday."

"  He suited up for the 110th Grey Cup despite the injury but registered only one defensive tackle in a 28-24 loss to the Montreal Alouettes."

Quote from: markf on June 03, 2025, 01:07:59 PMI Guess I wasn't clear, I didn't mean they should have moved on From Adam Bighill earlier,

I meant he wasn't physically up to playing in that game.  " The star middle linebacker was wearing a walking boot on his right leg Monday when the team departed for Hamilton, fuelling the speculation that he won't be available to play against the Montreal Alouettes in the CFL's championship game on Sunday."

"  He suited up for the 110th Grey Cup despite the injury but registered only one defensive tackle in a 28-24 loss to the Montreal Alouettes."

I know what you meant and thanks for the extra info, in hindsight the wrong decision but when you have a stud that good you often play them even when nicked.  Sometimes a star at 75% is better than the alternative at 100%.  We rolled the dice and lost, Biggie was likely only about 50% :(.  A tough decision at the time, hopefully we learn from it.  Team and Biggie thought he could contribute but he fell short.

Riders scoop the punter Bombers just cut, guess that's why he refused their PR offer.

https://3downnation.com/2025/06/03/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-punter-james-evans-after-release-from-blue-bombers/

Lame.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 04:32:17 PMRiders scoop the punter Bombers just cut, guess that's why he refused their PR offer.

https://3downnation.com/2025/06/03/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-punter-james-evans-after-release-from-blue-bombers/

Lame. Dislike.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 04:32:17 PMRiders scoop the punter Bombers just cut, guess that's why he refused their PR offer.

https://3downnation.com/2025/06/03/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-punter-james-evans-after-release-from-blue-bombers/

The Blue Bombers might've really messed up this one. It's a darn pity, the loyalty. It is a darn pity, the loyalty surpasses talent.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 04:32:17 PMRiders scoop the punter Bombers just cut, guess that's why he refused their PR offer.

https://3downnation.com/2025/06/03/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-punter-james-evans-after-release-from-blue-bombers/

Riders don't show a punter on their AR. They do have another global punter but he's on their PR. I guess that means Evans stands a chance to make their AR. However, there were a bunch of punters released around the CFL so the Riders may still be shopping.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 03, 2025, 04:44:10 PMRiders don't show a punter on their AR. They do have another global punter but he's on their PR. I guess that means Evans stands a chance to make their AR. However, there were a bunch of punters released around the CFL so the Riders may still be shopping.

I think it's black and white, they signed him, they'll probably roster him.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 05:07:26 PMI think it's black and white, they signed him, they'll probably roster him.

I wonder what the deal was with Flint. He was signed in April, put on league suspension and then released. His average was 45.1 per kick.  However, they moved on so Evans must have been next up to get a chance.

vet player wins the job.

No stats, so grain of salt needed with this, but last season in close, low offence games, the bombers sometimes slowly but surely lost field position cause of punting.

Quote from: markf on June 03, 2025, 06:00:31 PMvet player wins the job.

No stats, so grain of salt needed with this, but last season in close, low offence games, the bombers sometimes slowly but surely lost field position cause of punting.

Yes but that doesn't mean Evans was a better choice. We'll see how he does in Regina and it may turn out he's a better player in the long run. Not enough data to determine at the moment.

That said then why did we draft him and not another player?

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 03, 2025, 06:05:45 PMYes but that doesn't mean Evans was a better choice. We'll see how he does in Regina and it may turn out he's a better player in the long run. Not enough data to determine at the moment.

That said then why did we draft him and not another player?

We drafted the best players at the time based on our needs and managements analysis of the players available.  Don't always work out.  Easy to say after.

Agree that it's too early to know for Evans but it's great he landed where he did as they need a leg and looks like he can do that.  Let them break him in and we can sign him later if good! Do a Willie on them again ;).

Kickers are essential in this league and I hope we can see continued success in this regard as it makes the game better and also we have seen some of our legs get exported to the NFL which is a win-win.

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 03, 2025, 06:14:01 PMWe drafted the best players at the time based on our needs and managements analysis of the players available.  Don't always work out.  Easy to say after.

Agree that it's too early to know for Evans but it's great he landed where he did as they need a leg and looks like he can do that.  Let them break him in and we can sign him later if good! Do a Willie on them again ;).

Kickers are essential in this league and I hope we can see continued success in this regard as it makes the game better and also we have seen some of our legs get exported to the NFL which is a win-win.

There seems to be a very large pool of Australian and New Zealand kickers and punters. There were 11 kickers drafted this year. While the pool may be large I don't know how much exposure any of them get. It doesn't seem many players attend the global combine to improve their chances? One of questions about any draft choice is their willingness to accept a possible time on the PR.

9 of 11 draft choices can from Australia or New Zealand.

Two rounds doesn't sound like enough. They should at least consider going back to 3 rounds.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 03, 2025, 04:39:06 PMThe Blue Bombers might've really messed up this one. It's a darn pity, the loyalty. It is a darn pity, the loyalty surpasses talent.

Will watch this one closely. It does seem to be a bit of a case of loyalty over ability - albeit without knowing the play calls and the ask of the punter, etc. Regardless, Sheahan better have a good year.

We have no idea what Evans looked like in practice.  Or as a holder.  He had a couple boomers, which was how he was trying to win a spot.  Sheahan has a completely different kicking style.

I've been on the fence, boomer vs. tricky, but its not my decision, it is the STC that had to create plays based on the ability of his personnel.  If he thinks Sheahan gives them a better net average on kicks, if he thinks putting a ball where he wants it, bouncing a way he can take advantage of, they Sheahan's bag full of booting styles might be the thing he wants.

Deep spiraling boots are easy to catch.  Taking a split second to corral a ball might be the difference between a boom and a see ya later.

Looking at the game stats, Evans outbooted Sheahan by 10 yards average (4 Sheahan, 2 Evans) in the first game, but with 4 kicks each, Sheahan was 10 yards longer average than Evans in game 2...

The fact that we offered Evans a PR spot shows why we drafted him. He just didn't quite beat out the vet.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 03, 2025, 06:05:45 PMYes but that doesn't mean Evans was a better choice. We'll see how he does in Regina and it may turn out he's a better player in the long run. Not enough data to determine at the moment.

That said then why did we draft him and not another player?

Noticed Evans punted some beautiful high spirals late in PS#2 but they didn't necessarily go further than what Sheahan was achieving.  In the end the choice was made to maintain good vibes and stability within the kicking team with a player they are comfortable with, you just know MOS loves those player celebrations after every successful kick.  It's often not worth overturning the apple cart if there isn't really a problem.

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 03, 2025, 06:18:46 PMThere seems to be a very large pool of Australian and New Zealand kickers and punters. There were 11 kickers drafted this year. While the pool may be large I don't know how much exposure any of them get. It doesn't seem many players attend the global combine to improve their chances? One of questions about any draft choice is their willingness to accept a possible time on the PR.

9 of 11 draft choices can from Australia or New Zealand.

Two rounds doesn't sound like enough. They should at least consider going back to 3 rounds.

yes I agree, more rounds!

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 03, 2025, 06:22:03 PMWill watch this one closely. It does seem to be a bit of a case of loyalty over ability - albeit without knowing the play calls and the ask of the punter, etc. Regardless, Sheahan better have a good year.

I believe our punting will be slightly better than last year, only thing I'm concerned with is punt and kickoff coverage.  I think we like the directional ability of our punter, which I do too! Evans has a future, will be fun to see how it goes.

Quote from: theaardvark on June 03, 2025, 06:28:44 PMWe have no idea what Evans looked like in practice.  Or as a holder.  He had a couple boomers, which was how he was trying to win a spot.  Sheahan has a completely different kicking style.

I've been on the fence, boomer vs. tricky, but its not my decision, it is the STC that had to create plays based on the ability of his personnel.  If he thinks Sheahan gives them a better net average on kicks, if he thinks putting a ball where he wants it, bouncing a way he can take advantage of, they Sheahan's bag full of booting styles might be the thing he wants.

Deep spiraling boots are easy to catch.  Taking a split second to corral a ball might be the difference between a boom and a see ya later.

Looking at the game stats, Evans outbooted Sheahan by 10 yards average (4 Sheahan, 2 Evans) in the first game, but with 4 kicks each, Sheahan was 10 yards longer average than Evans in game 2...

The fact that we offered Evans a PR spot shows why we drafted him. He just didn't quite beat out the vet.

great to have these stats and I agree with everything you have said!

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 06:28:53 PMNoticed Evans punted some beautiful high spirals late in PS#2 but they didn't necessarily go further than what Sheahan was achieving.  In the end the choice was made to maintain good vibes and stability within the kicking team with a player they are comfortable with, you just know MOS loves those player celebrations after every successful kick.  It's often not worth overturning the apple cart if there isn't really a problem.

agree all

others pointed out something I was thinking as well, I like how our punting is less predictable, sometimes we get a bounce or two as that's our style, I like that! I believe we went with the right choice, consistency, reliability and the veteran presence.  Those things build champions.  I haven't got that excited about the boomer legs but it is cool and that's what the NFL requires. 

Good points about how it's just not punting, they have other duties as well (holding).  Good point about what they looked like in practice.  MOS often says preseason games are not the only factor.

Off topic...

https://3downnation.com/2025/06/03/mike-oshea-explains-winnipegs-decision-to-cut-myron-mitchell-keep-dillon-mitchell/

Quote from: theaardvark on June 03, 2025, 06:28:44 PMLooking at the game stats, Evans outbooted Sheahan by 10 yards average (4 Sheahan, 2 Evans) in the first game, but with 4 kicks each, Sheahan was 10 yards longer average than Evans in game 2...

'Officially', Evans and Sheahan each had 4 punts in the 2nd game.
'Unofficially', I have Evans with 5 punts (221 yards | 44.2 Avg | Net 40.0 Avg | 2 punts inside the 20) & Sheahan with 3 punts (147 yards | 49.0 Avg | Net 40.3 Avg | Net after 'no yards' 35.3 Avg

Both radio stations ID'd Evans as the punter for the final punt of the game but that punt was credited to Sheahan (53 yards | 45 net). Based on the length of the socks, I believe it was Evans.

* The Saskatchewan radio broadcast had Sheahan with 6 punts, Castillo with 1 and Evans with the final punt so take their calls with a grain of salt.

I also believe Evans was short changed yards on the final play of the first half. The punt bounced at the S42 then went OB (sideways & slightly backwards). The PBP & stats show a 31 yard punt to the S50. The official on the field clearly marked the S42 (which is the spot I used in my numbers). I agree with CJOB which called the ball OB at the S44. If there was another play we may have seen the Command Centre adjust the ball spot.

James Evans was late arriving at Blue Bombers training camp because he was doing the mini-camp tour south of the border. It is possible that he felt that with a little more tape on file, he was close to landing another opportunity. That opportunity is in Regina.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 03, 2025, 06:22:03 PMWill watch this one closely. It does seem to be a bit of a case of loyalty over ability - albeit without knowing the play calls and the ask of the punter, etc. Regardless, Sheahan better have a good year.

did we have one rookie beat out a vet a training camp for a roster spot? Did we even release just one vet that was in training camp?

either we did a terrible job of scouting or OShea's refusing to recognize opportunities to improve Either way its baffling

Quote from: Pete on June 03, 2025, 10:28:34 PMdid we have one rookie beat out a vet a training camp for a roster spot? Did we even release just one vet that was in training camp?

either we did a terrible job of scouting or OShea's refusing to recognize opportunities to improve Either way its baffling

Rookies, for the most part, shouldn't beat the vets of a veteran team that has been to 5 straight Grey Cups.

You'll notice we have a ton of second year players, many in starting roles or in contention for them.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 04:32:17 PMRiders scoop the punter Bombers just cut, guess that's why he refused their PR offer.

https://3downnation.com/2025/06/03/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-punter-james-evans-after-release-from-blue-bombers/

Ahhhh crap! That guy has a real, live leg.

Quote from: Jesse on June 03, 2025, 11:03:29 PMRookies, for the most part, shouldn't beat the vets of a veteran team that has been to 5 straight Grey Cups.

You'll notice we have a ton of second year players, many in starting roles or in contention for them.
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Quote from: Jesse on June 03, 2025, 11:03:29 PMRookies, for the most part, shouldn't beat the vets of a veteran team that has been to 5 straight Grey Cups.

You'll notice we have a ton of second year players, many in starting roles or in contention for them.

I get "for the most part" but none? C'mon !
If we had kept Evans would any other team have picked up Sheehan?

Quote from: Pete on June 03, 2025, 10:28:34 PMdid we have one rookie beat out a vet a training camp for a roster spot? Did we even release just one vet that was in training camp?

either we did a terrible job of scouting or OShea's refusing to recognize opportunities to improve Either way its baffling

I have seen a similar tone from you this season and I haven't agreed with you take often and certainly don't here.

We brought in some great new players that challenged our veteran core.  Nothing is baffling other than exceptional management, coaching and team depth.  Let the season play out before you right off the fresh talent this club has.

We have had a solid core with a few holes to fill and the roster looks incredibly solid at the moment imo.

Our scouting is fine and MOS is a legend.  Trust the mafia.

Did you watch preseason? We had so many guys that made plays that were cut or on PR.

Quote from: Pete on June 04, 2025, 01:03:42 AMI get "for the most part" but none? C'mon !
If we had kept Evans would any other team have picked up Sheehan?

We kept a vet who is a proven decent punter over a complete unknown with a good leg.

My main point is that we do bring in good talent but we don't give enough of them the opportunity.
And yes I have brought up similar observations because it keeps happening,and you keep on defending them.

Quote from: Pete on June 04, 2025, 01:26:46 AMMy main point is that we do bring in good talent but we don't give enough of them the opportunity.
And yes I have brought up similar observations because it keeps happening,and you keep on defending them.

I think this year was a much more competitive camp and I also believe we're a better team this year than last, overall.

I would have liked to see a change at punter because I think when you just put two returners out there Sheahan is out of tricks and he usually can't kick it high or far enough to make up for the shorter leg when we're backed up. Maybe the tradeoff of one less blocker still makes it worth it for O'Shea. Maybe since teams start at the 40 he's got analytics that we don't punt very much from inside 30 or whatever. He is usually rock solid on special teams fundamentals so I'll of course give him the benefit of that, but if Sheahan is a bottom third punter by labour day I won't surprised.

Quote from: Pete on June 04, 2025, 01:26:46 AMMy main point is that we do bring in good talent but we don't give enough of them the opportunity.
And yes I have brought up similar observations because it keeps happening,and you keep on defending them.

Might not seem like it but there is plenty of roster turnover every year, players leaving in FA, team not renewing vet. contracts like BA, Biggie or Winston Rose, players deleted from the PR list at the end of the season and not brought back.  For the most departing players are usually replaced by younger players, ensuring a constant renewal. Starting a number of inexperienced rookies in different positions is not a method the Bombers seem to favour.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 06:28:53 PMNoticed Evans punted some beautiful high spirals late in PS#2 but they didn't necessarily go further than what Sheahan was achieving.  In the end the choice was made to maintain good vibes and stability within the kicking team with a player they are comfortable with, you just know MOS loves those player celebrations after every successful kick.  It's often not worth overturning the apple cart if there isn't really a problem.

I wish Sheahan had a bigger leg. But I think O'Shea and many other STCs put just as much emphasis on directional punting. If you can pin the returner at the sideline, it can cut off 2-3 yards from the average return, and reduce long returns for touchdowns. When you add in that Evans actually didn't out kick Sheahan for distance in preseason, and that Sheahan has some trick kicks, and was Sergio's holder, its not that surprising he did not lose his job to Evans. They obviously liked Evans since they tried to hang on to him. We'll see if it was the wrong decision as the season progresses.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/08/15/landry-directional-punting-analytics-beginning-gain-traction/

Quote from: Pete on June 04, 2025, 01:26:46 AMMy main point is that we do bring in good talent but we don't give enough of them the opportunity.
And yes I have brought up similar observations because it keeps happening,and you keep on defending them.

Patience, we have a lot of new talent on the roster and on the PR.  I'll defend this club because all we do is win.  Enjoy the ride.  Not over yet.

I 100% disagree that we don't give players opportunity.  We have developed many studs at receiver as of late.  We have rotated on d as much as anyone and next man up on D is how we have gotten through injuries.  We don't panic and sign a vet when we have guys go down, we develop the next the gen and it's one of our pillars of success. 

I believe you will see the gen shine this year.  As MOS says all the players play. 

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 04, 2025, 02:04:49 AMMight not seem like it but there is plenty of roster turnover every year, players leaving in FA, team not renewing vet. contracts like BA, Biggie or Winston Rose, players deleted from the PR list at the end of the season and not brought back.  For the most departing players are usually replaced by younger players, ensuring a constant renewal. Starting a number of inexperienced rookies in different positions is not a method the Bombers seem to favour.

Agree, we have taken the route of keeping vets, moving on when needed, not over paying for FAs, developing new talent, drafting well and scouting great.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 04, 2025, 01:57:45 AMI think this year was a much more competitive camp and I also believe we're a better team this year than last, overall.

I would have liked to see a change at punter because I think when you just put two returners out there Sheahan is out of tricks and he usually can't kick it high or far enough to make up for the shorter leg when we're backed up. Maybe the tradeoff of one less blocker still makes it worth it for O'Shea. Maybe since teams start at the 40 he's got analytics that we don't punt very much from inside 30 or whatever. He is usually rock solid on special teams fundamentals so I'll of course give him the benefit of that, but if Sheahan is a bottom third punter by labour day I won't surprised.

Bottom third at yardage yes or likely, but let's see what the net yards are and how many tds we give up.  Let's see how many big plays we give up and how many blocked punts we have.

Quote from: bunker on June 04, 2025, 02:14:03 AMI wish Sheahan had a bigger leg. But I think O'Shea and many other STCs put just as much emphasis on directional punting. If you can pin the returner at the sideline, it can cut off 2-3 yards from the average return, and reduce long returns for touchdowns. When you add in that Evans actually didn't out kick Sheahan for distance in preseason, and that Sheahan has some trick kicks, and was Sergio's holder, its not that surprising he did not lose his job to Evans. They obviously liked Evans since they tried to hang on to him. We'll see if it was the wrong decision as the season progresses.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/08/15/landry-directional-punting-analytics-beginning-gain-traction/

Nailed it
Some posters are obsessed with the big leg imo and it's not the only way to skin a cat.  Punting average doesn't tell the entire story. Analytics are key to sports, Joe QB gets too hell bent on one factor and doesn't see the forest through the trees often imo.  Trust the mafia.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 03, 2025, 04:32:17 PMRiders scoop the punter Bombers just cut, guess that's why he refused their PR offer.

This isn't a function of Evans being great, this is just SSK had awful P options coming out of TC/PS.  The dude they had in PS2 was getting 50% less leg than Sheahan.

Their GDT was up in arms over how bad their punting was.  This gives them a second "test run", basically.

Quote from: Pete on June 04, 2025, 01:26:46 AMMy main point is that we do bring in good talent but we don't give enough of them the opportunity.
And yes I have brought up similar observations because it keeps happening,and you keep on defending them.

Opportunity does not mean being handed a starting spot.

Look up and down the roster: Adams, Bonds, Ayers, Bridges, Clercius, Randolph, Vanterpool, Wallace, Wheatfall, Woods are all 2nd year players who received opportunities last year as rookies and are either starters or major contributors going into their second season.

This year we have: Artopoeus, Corcoran, Novak, Shay, Smith, Vaval on the AR with 8 more CFL rookies on the PR. Plus a handful of CFL veterans that were signed in the off season - because we had too many rookies playing meaningful time last year.

There have been years to complain about young players not being given opportunities but this ain't one of them.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 04, 2025, 06:07:35 AMThis isn't a function of Evans being great, this is just SSK had awful P options coming out of TC/PS.  The dude they had in PS2 was getting 50% less leg than Sheahan.

Their GDT was up in arms over how bad their punting was.  This gives them a second "test run", basically.

Agree

Quote from: Jesse on June 04, 2025, 10:48:33 AMOpportunity does not mean being handed a starting spot.

Look up and down the roster: Adams, Bonds, Ayers, Bridges, Clercius, Randolph, Vanterpool, Wallace, Wheatfall, Woods are all 2nd year players who received opportunities last year as rookies and are either starters or major contributors going into their second season.

This year we have: Artopoeus, Corcoran, Novak, Shay, Smith, Vaval on the AR with 8 more CFL rookies on the PR. Plus a handful of CFL veterans that were signed in the off season - because we had too many rookies playing meaningful time last year.

There have been years to complain about young players not being given opportunities but this ain't one of them.

Couldn't agree more great summary

Can someone tell me more about Novak

If you take a look back at the Roster, there are many new players, Every season.

The turnover rate is quite high, surprisingly so to me, although it may not seem like it.

It's hard to argue with their method when you look at the record.

I can't remember the last time a rookie got the job over the vet in training camp even if the vet didn't practice. In Bomber land, vets get the spots, promising rookies get PR unless the vet gets hurt. 

I don't see us as being as good a team as we were last year. 

We downgraded at O line, receiver and DB. 
We didn't upgrade our punter, who was below average last year. 
We hopefully upgraded at returner, but he's injured. 
DE is the most likely upgrade, but we're paper thin, only having 2 on the roster, which isn't even enough to rotate them. 
Collaros is another year older and will take more hits due to the O line. 
We've got a rookie OC and Jackson is still a no show. 
We'll win on the back of Brady O and rely on the defence to keep the score low. 

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 04, 2025, 02:49:26 PMI can't remember the last time a rookie got the job over the vet in training camp even if the vet didn't practice. In Bomber land, vets get the spots, promising rookies get PR unless the vet gets hurt.

I don't see us as being as good a team as we were last year.

We downgraded at O line, receiver and DB.
We didn't upgrade our punter, who was below average last year.
We hopefully upgraded at returner, but he's injured.
DE is the most likely upgrade, but we're paper thin, only having 2 on the roster, which isn't even enough to rotate them.
Collaros is another year older and will take more hits due to the O line.
We've got a rookie OC and Jackson is still a no show.
We'll win on the back of Brady O and rely on the defence to keep the score low.

I recall you've been saying this for last 3 years minimum running.

I love it when the Bombers prove you wrong.
Though I agree with cutting Evans was a mistake.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 04, 2025, 03:01:38 PMI recall you've been saying this for last 3 years minimum running.

I love it when the Bombers prove you wrong.
Though I agree with cutting Evans was a mistake.

He hasn't been wrong.  We've had a progressively worse record these last three years

Of note one could argue that the over reliance on aging vets has led to injuries and not being able to fill those positions adequately at grey cup time.
5 grey cups is a great testament to the bombers way, but against the eastern teams we appear to be losing some ground.

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 04, 2025, 02:49:26 PMI can't remember the last time a rookie got the job over the vet in training camp even if the vet didn't practice. In Bomber land, vets get the spots, promising rookies get PR unless the vet gets hurt.

I don't see us as being as good a team as we were last year.

We downgraded at O line, receiver and DB.
We didn't upgrade our punter, who was below average last year.
We hopefully upgraded at returner, but he's injured.
DE is the most likely upgrade, but we're paper thin, only having 2 on the roster, which isn't even enough to rotate them.
Collaros is another year older and will take more hits due to the O line.
We've got a rookie OC and Jackson is still a no show.
We'll win on the back of Brady O and rely on the defence to keep the score low.

Yep, honestly not very promising offseason. Of course, that doesn't matter. But it seems like any issues we had last year might just be the same issue this year (except maybe returning, if blocking holds up)

Quote from: bluengold204 on June 04, 2025, 03:07:55 PMHe hasn't been wrong.  We've had a progressively worse record these last three years

We keep winning the west though.
The GC loses are debatable in the reason we lost is injuries alone.

Quote from: kkc60 on June 04, 2025, 04:21:03 PMYep, honestly not very promising offseason. Of course, that doesn't matter. But it seems like any issues we had last year might just be the same issue this year (except maybe returning, if blocking holds up)

I reserve judgement on if we still have the "same issues".
ST s needs to improved in the cover teams and return game. Miller better institute better practise.
Better OL play in pass blocking...here is hoping.

Quote from: Pete on June 04, 2025, 03:21:32 PMOf note one could argue that the over reliance on aging vets has led to injuries and not being able to fill those positions adequately at grey cup time.
5 grey cups is a great testament to the bombers way, but against the eastern teams we appear to be losing some ground.

Agree with this, in the last 2 seasons the Als and Argos have gotten the better of the Bombers by squelching their offensive output.  The Bomber D has held their own but Buck's offence struggled to produce points against two of the best defensive teams in the league. I think that may be the main reason they are considering the 3 Import O-line option, they may not use it all season but they could pull it out on special occasions.

Bombers middle of the pack when it comes to average age, Riders oldest team in the league.

https://x.com/CFLStatsGeek/status/1930284959408824748/photo/1

https://x.com/CFLStatsGeek/status/1930284959408824748/photo/2

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 04, 2025, 02:49:26 PMI can't remember the last time a rookie got the job over the vet in training camp even if the vet didn't practice. In Bomber land, vets get the spots, promising rookies get PR unless the vet gets hurt.

I don't see us as being as good a team as we were last year.

We downgraded at O line, receiver and DB.
We didn't upgrade our punter, who was below average last year.
We hopefully upgraded at returner, but he's injured.
DE is the most likely upgrade, but we're paper thin, only having 2 on the roster, which isn't even enough to rotate them.
Collaros is another year older and will take more hits due to the O line.
We've got a rookie OC and Jackson is still a no show.
We'll win on the back of Brady O and rely on the defence to keep the score low.

Disagree we are weaker.  I see a very good ball club again.
OL I have some worries, will take time for new group to gel.  Yes lost some talent to be sure.  Also got some good players to fill those gaps.
Punting non issue handled internally.  Zero worries here.
Return game we have no idea (yet).  Got a stud lined up a prospect that looks ok.  Not worried at all.
DE we fine
Receiver we are stacked! Yes lost some talent but we are so deep and will be fine if healthy
DB just need a corner to develop and our safety to get their feet wet, slightly worried
Zach zero worries, yes if he gets smacked around I'll panic lol
OC will be average
Brady building up to be an all time Cdn great!

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 04, 2025, 03:01:38 PMI recall you've been saying this for last 3 years minimum running.

I love it when the Bombers prove you wrong.

Heavy agree all

Quote from: bluengold204 on June 04, 2025, 03:07:55 PMHe hasn't been wrong.  We've had a progressively worse record these last three years

Yes he has been wrong.  We have been very consistent for years and class of the West for years.  What's also consistent is your negativity about the club and some will chime in with our blue glasses on, all good lol.

Quote from: Pete on June 04, 2025, 03:21:32 PMOf note one could argue that the over reliance on aging vets has led to injuries and not being able to fill those positions adequately at grey cup time.
5 grey cups is a great testament to the bombers way, but against the eastern teams we appear to be losing some ground.

Disagree we have filled in our positions very well
Losing ground on the East never lol
Yes they been good as of late

Quote from: kkc60 on June 04, 2025, 04:21:03 PMYep, honestly not very promising offseason. Of course, that doesn't matter. But it seems like any issues we had last year might just be the same issue this year (except maybe returning, if blocking holds up)

Disagree all pretty much.

Extremely good off season with value signings but yes some talent gone.

Yes it does matter.

See my post above for what issues I think we have.  Kick coverage needs to improve.

I am very happy with the talent we have on roster and PR.  If OL gels early, we golden.  Need back end defense to step up and we will have a top 3 d again.

All about bombs and runs on offence I believe and if Zach has time we shall sling nasty

Trust the mafia

It is far too premature to say with any certainty that we will be good, bad or indifferent until real games start this season.

Quote from: ModAdmin on June 04, 2025, 08:26:23 PMIt is far too premature to say with any certainty that we will be good, bad or indifferent until real games start this season.

Every CFL fan knows "real" football doesn't even start until Labor Day.

Quote from: VictorRomano on June 04, 2025, 08:30:21 PMEvery CFL fan knows "real" football doesn't even start until Labor Day.

Couldn't of said it better myself.  Often folks get critical early and I like to wait till fall.

Quote from: VictorRomano on June 04, 2025, 08:30:21 PMEvery CFL fan knows "real" football doesn't even start until Labor Day.

This statement has always been a meh comment to me. So are you saying the games prior to LD mean less than after?

Quote from: bluengold204 on June 04, 2025, 03:07:55 PMHe hasn't been wrong.  We've had a progressively worse record these last three years

Woooooo, 5 straight cup appearances and #1 in W standings most years, wooooooo, scary bad record

It doesn't really matter if we win 2 less games a season or whatever.  That's as much a function of many other teams getting much better as WPG getting any worse.  And our record vs our division is still superb, and that's what really counts in the end of the regular season, not losses to TOR or MTL.

Not to say we haven't had our problem spots that get worse every year (like DT), but it's gotten so bad the only way to go now is up!

Quote from: markf on June 04, 2025, 02:12:08 PMThe turnover rate is quite high, surprisingly so to me, although it may not seem like it.

I think for turnover we're about middle of the pack when you look at the whole league.  We always retain our middling players and main NATs, let some old guys walk/retire, and let a few unkeepables leave for FA$$.

There's still quite a few guys on the team who were in the '19 or '21 GC, and that's pretty rare.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 04, 2025, 10:20:58 PMI think for turnover we're about middle of the pack when you look at the whole league.  We always retain our middling players and main NATs, let some old guys walk/retire, and let a few unkeepables leave for FA$$.

There's still quite a few guys on the team who were in the '19 or '21 GC, and that's pretty rare.

Yep, especially compared to the Argos, some years they'd lose half their team right after winning a GC.  Nobody seemed to care.

Yes, we have been to 5 straight Grey Cups. We have also finished first in the West the last four seasons. Before that the last time we finished first was in the East  2010, with a 10-8 record. So, this is a good team. What bothers me is our current 3 peat. The last team that lost three consecutive Grey Cups was Montreal in 1954,55,56.

Quote from: Pigskin on June 05, 2025, 05:01:10 AMWhat bothers me is our current 3 peat. The last team that lost three consecutive Grey Cups was Montreal in 1954,55,56.

Win this one at home and all is forgiven.  We win this and we're back to .500 in 6 GCs, which isn't too bad.  CGY with BLM didn't do much better.  And then the dynasty is written in stone.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 05, 2025, 07:22:22 AMWin this one at home and all is forgiven.  We win this and we're back to .500 in 6 GCs, which isn't too bad.  CGY with BLM didn't do much better.  And then the dynasty is written in stone.

The Bomber dynasty went out the window a couple years ago. Have to win the Championships to be a dynasty. Edmonton 1977 - 1982, now that's dynasty. Six straight WD titles, five Grey Cup wins in a row. 

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 04, 2025, 11:50:43 PMYep, especially compared to the Argos, some years they'd lose half their team right after winning a GC.  Nobody seemed to care.

I'd absolutely hate that as a fan though.

Many people have complained over the years that there is too much turnover and you can't even buy a jersey because you don't know who will be on any given team the next season.

Quote from: Pigskin on June 05, 2025, 10:36:19 AMThe Bomber dynasty went out the window a couple years ago. Have to win the Championships to be a dynasty. Edmonton 1977 - 1982, now that's dynasty. Six straight WD titles, five Grey Cup wins in a row. 

Agree but I have called this run a mini dynasty and will go down as one of the most successful runs in Bomber history.  Need the cup this year for icing imo.  Cakes already made.

The true Bomber dynasty was 1958-1962. Five straight WD titles, and 4 Grey Cup wins.

Quote from: Jesse on June 05, 2025, 10:46:06 AMI'd absolutely hate that as a fan though.

Many people have complained over the years that there is too much turnover and you can't even buy a jersey because you don't know who will be on any given team the next season.

Good interview with John Murphy of the Argos starts 11:00 minutes in, explains the thought process that goes into cutting veteran players like Kadeem Carey, they do consider family situations were a player may have to relocate their family.  Not a popular CFL character but refreshing to hear real insight from behind the curtain.


Speaking of CFL podcasts, tons of new ones on YouTube which bodes well, maybe the CFL is throwing a bit of cash their way.  Wonder where Bonfire Sports is?  Haven't heard from them since  the "Walby episode". 

Quote from: Pigskin on June 05, 2025, 10:36:19 AMThe Bomber dynasty went out the window a couple years ago. Have to win the Championships to be a dynasty. Edmonton 1977 - 1982, now that's dynasty. Six straight WD titles, five Grey Cup wins in a row. 

The 77-82 Edmonton streak will never be beaten just for the fact that there was no free agency then. They kept the same team all those years unless they didn't want someone anymore. Impossible now. Even winning 2 in a row is rare in this era.

I still think we'd have 3 in a row if not for the covid season. We'll never know.

Quote from: Pigskin on June 05, 2025, 10:36:19 AMThe Bomber dynasty went out the window a couple years ago. Have to win the Championships to be a dynasty. Edmonton 1977 - 1982, now that's dynasty. Six straight WD titles, five Grey Cup wins in a row.

Wasn't that pre SMS cap era though?  Surely no one has had the sustained success WPG has since the SMS came in?

Even BLM/CGY didn't have as good a run.  What we're doing right now might not ever be repeated.