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Title: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 02:01:40 PM
LFG!!!!
Title: Re: Grey Cup Week
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 11, 2024, 02:19:16 PM
Who else has been watching highlights on repeat the last 36 hours?

Love this team. Let's go!!
Title: Re: Grey Cup Week
Post by: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 02:23:41 PM
Ok, so we all remember the much maligned offence from this season. MOS took a lot of heat for not playing any starters in the pre-season, letting vets take too many days off without competing for spots, letting injured players take starting roles without practicing, etc. etc.

We had a slow start. Constant, devasting injuries to out receiving core made it worse. And Brady's off-season injury and subsequent re-injury took him awhile to get him revved up.

All that in mind, here are Zach's numbers from the first 10 games of the season(excluding weeks 4-5 which was predominantly Strev):

2646 yards (264/game); 7 TDs; 13 INTs; 210/311 (68%)

The last 7 games (including the WSF):

1936 yards (277/game); 14 TDs; 2 INTs; 143/191 (75%)

If you were following StatJunkie's drive compilations, we were always doing just fine between the 20's. But were not scoring TDs the way the other top teams were. Over the past few week (buoyed by a couple high scoring games) our numbers have been night and day.

Title: Re: Grey Cup Week
Post by: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 11, 2024, 02:19:16 PMWho else has been watching highlights on repeat the last 36 hours?

Love this team. Let's go!!

First thing I did Sunday morning was watch the entire TV broadcast.
Title: Re: Grey Cup Week
Post by: Zach Schnitzer on November 11, 2024, 05:50:01 PM
At BC Place, the site of this year's Grey Cup  Zach Collaros is a career 5-1, with 12 TDs to 4 INTs, averages 321 passing yards, a completion percentage of 71%, and has a QB rating of 111.74. Pretty gaudy numbers in the dome.
Title: Re: Grey Cup Week
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 11, 2024, 06:20:54 PM
Quote from: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 02:24:10 PMFirst thing I did Sunday morning was watch the entire TV broadcast.

I wait for Waders27 to post the broadcast on YouTube, I can't stand sitting through the commercial breaks for the second time when I already know the outcome.

Title: Re: Grey Cup Week
Post by: markf on November 11, 2024, 07:16:13 PM
I am looking forward to Lapolice video showing what Zach/Buck et al did, that was new.

To me Frequently looked like the Sask D backfield was confused and mixed up as to who was doing what.
Title: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Pigskin on November 11, 2024, 07:24:45 PM
Argos sign QB Bryan Scott.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Pigskin on November 11, 2024, 07:32:17 PM
We will have to contain Grant. OL can not give up 7 sacks like we did the last time we play the Argos. Get pressure on Arbuckle. Arbuckle doesn't run much, or all that well. Turnovers will be key in this game. Arbuckle is known for throw his share of interceptions. Last 2 season, 4 TDs, 7 INTs.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: gobombersgo on November 11, 2024, 07:45:30 PM
As per Darren Cameron the Bombers will be wearing their blue jerseys.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Pete on November 11, 2024, 07:51:57 PM
they should call this one the "who do you hate more" grey cup
Winnipeg cause were in it AGAIN
Toronto  cause they are TORONTO
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 11, 2024, 07:45:30 PMAs per Darren Cameron the Bombers will be wearing their blue jerseys.

What about the pants?
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 11, 2024, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on November 11, 2024, 07:32:17 PMArbuckle doesn't run much, or all that well. Turnovers will be key in this game.

Arbuckle doesn't run at all.  He'll run less than Zach.  And besides, Dinwiddie will have him under strict instructions to not run past the LoS without a 3s-too-early hook slide.  They don't want to be down another QB's tibia.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 11, 2024, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 07:55:44 PMWhat about the pants?

Knowing the BB, they'll wear exactly what they wore in WDF.  So blue & blue.  Hopefully TOR is forced to wear whites as the "away" team, otherwise there'll be waaaay too much blue in that stadium.

WPG never changes their jersey between WDF and cup.  Superstition.  I'm more concerned with what hat MOS will wear!  I think it's the army one, which seems to be the new lucky hat.

WFC should auction the previously-lucky ripped hat for charity.  I'll bid!
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: gobombersgo on November 11, 2024, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 07:55:44 PMWhat about the pants?

No mention.

Darren has since deleted the tweet. I am sure they will still be wearing the blue jerseys but the team may want to make the announcement through their official channels.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 11, 2024, 08:28:37 PM
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 11, 2024, 07:58:29 PMNo mention.

Darren has since deleted the tweet. I am sure they will still be wearing the blue jerseys but the team may want to make the announcement through their official channels.

Bauming mentioned on his podcast the days of the gold pants maybe over, but didn't speculate why the team would do so. Never thrilled with white and gold but blue and gold I like better than blue and blue.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 11, 2024, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 11, 2024, 07:45:30 PMAs per Darren Cameron the Bombers will be wearing their blue jerseys.
We will be "home" team I suppose then.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on November 11, 2024, 09:47:08 PM
toronto defence is very, very good.  they cause turnovers and can pressure qb's.

arbuckle is serviceable and could win them this game by not making big errors.

i think this game will be close and thank goodness it's not outside as zach isn't a great cold weather guy. 

their special teams are better than ours, their front 7 is better, our secondary is better, i will call the recievers a draw - maybe slight edge to winnipeg, carey is a very good rb but BO is better and zach is far better than arbuckle.

our coaching is better but i can see this game coming down to one or two plays and turnovers. 
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 11, 2024, 09:47:34 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 11, 2024, 08:28:37 PMBauming mentioned on his podcast the days of the gold pants maybe over, but didn't speculate why the team would do so. Never thrilled with white and gold but blue and gold I like better than blue and blue.
I agree the blue jersey with the gold pants is the best combo. The team should know this!
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 11, 2024, 09:49:05 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on November 11, 2024, 09:47:08 PMtoronto defence is very, very good.  they cause turnovers and can pressure qb's.

arbuckle is serviceable and could win them this game by not making big errors.

i think this game will be close and thank goodness it's not outside as zach isn't a great cold weather guy. 

their special teams are better than ours, their front 7 is better, our secondary is better, i will call the recievers a draw - maybe slight edge to winnipeg, carey is a very good rb but BO is better and zach is far better than arbuckle.

our coaching is better but i can see this game coming down to one or two plays and turnovers. 
You sure know how is get me anxious. :-\
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 11, 2024, 10:04:40 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on November 11, 2024, 09:47:08 PMi will call the recievers a draw - maybe slight edge to winnipeg

I think our RECs are way better.  Sure, Polk has come on lately but he's still a rookie.  I think Pokey is better.

Coxie is their only good REC on paper.  And he may be the Schoen of the GC: playing injured.

Ungerer/Brisset are like JFG levels, nothing to get too worried about but can make catches when open.

Daniels is washed up.  I spent the entire season taking the under on catch-count for Daniels and made a fortune (Vegas finally lowered his expected count for the EDF, LOL).  However, when he does make catches, they are often TDs, so you can't ignore him.

We've got 3 major scoring threat RECs, an up&coming NAT (or maybe Woli??), and Wheatie finally found his oats with a stupendous contested catch in the WDF.  Plus a smattering of Brady passes and Lucky... darn good!

Eli did a couple of sneak-out-into-the-flat plays and I'll still dream of him getting a completion with tons of space to hoggie-bulldoze for 10YAC.
Title: The Luck Stops Here
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 11, 2024, 10:14:06 PM
Media has already been blabbing about how TOR has gone to 7 cups and won all 7.  I've commented many times on how they seem to luck into cups, and then luck into wins in cups.  Up until 2022 they had that horseshoe.

NO LONGER!

The TOR luck stops here.  Luck is one thing, but it appears, from the WPG@MTL game, WPG has God on their side!  And God > luck.

And if you don't like that theory, how about the fact we're dialed in like no other team.  TOR was majorly sloppy in the EDF and barely won by a bad read from Cody.  Pirate Arbuckle is, let's face it, most teams' last choice for a non-ELC backup QB.  He even said he was this close to retiring before TOR phoned.  Oh ya, and Mike Miller is all over the STs as we speak: there will be no more mistakes.

We finally get our 2022 revenge game opportunity.  The guys will be laser focused and will not allow themselves to come home empty-handed.

May we start a new, reverse trend of TOR losing the next 7...
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: dd on November 11, 2024, 10:16:14 PM
Our secondary will handle their recievers no problem. I think both defenses are a wash, but they are both very, very good.

Their Special Teams have the edge with Grant back their and he'll likely break one in the big game.

This game will be close, but we'll prevail.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Stats Junkie on November 11, 2024, 11:00:59 PM
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Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 12, 2024, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: dd on November 11, 2024, 10:16:14 PMOur secondary will handle their recievers no problem. I think both defenses are a wash, but they are both very, very good.

Ya, D's might be a wash, but in vastly different ways, eh?

The wildcard may be that our DL was able to get pretty good pressure on SSK.  They were playing possessed.  If our DL can do that vs TOR, then our D will have the edge overall.

Arbuckle is still susceptible to flustering and mistakes; part of the reason he never stuck as a full-time #1.  So we don't necessarily have to sack him, just make him uncomfortable.  Shrink the pocket (Fatboi's speciality).  Make him see ghosts.  Have Willy jumping up where he is thinking of throwing.

Quote from: dd on November 11, 2024, 10:16:14 PMTheir Special Teams have the edge with Grant back their and he'll likely break one in the big game.

If any one knows Grant intimately and can stop him, it's WPG.

Grant busted one in the '22 GC for us and TOR still won.  If he busts one in the '24 GC, we can still win.  It'll suck, but it won't doom us or anything.

Besides, Miller will take those 3 bad ST screwups vs SSK personally and make sure we don't give up squat on ST.  Grant will have a decent average, but we'll stop the explosion.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 12, 2024, 02:28:48 AM
Hey, the great thing about Sheahan as our P... you don't have to worry about him booming one into the BC scoreboard!

;)  ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Pigskin on November 12, 2024, 04:15:51 AM
Glad to see Tanner Schmekel getting a little more playing time and playing well. Tanner with 6 DTs in the last two games.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: markf on November 12, 2024, 02:28:50 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on November 12, 2024, 04:15:51 AMGlad to see Tanner Schmekel getting a little more playing time and playing well. Tanner with 6 DTs in the last two games.

" Overall, he dressed in five games, recording one defensive tackle and one sack, in 2023."  wiki.

on the highlight video saw that he made a great tackle for loss on a running play, went right through their line and brought down the ball carrier. really good play. During the game, I was thinking he's not very big, but he's 291 lbs.

Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Pigskin on November 12, 2024, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: markf on November 12, 2024, 02:28:50 PM" Overall, he dressed in five games, recording one defensive tackle and one sack, in 2023."  wiki.

on the highlight video saw that he made a great tackle for loss on a running play, went right through their line and brought down the ball carrier. really good play. During the game, I was thinking he's not very big, but he's 291 lbs.



Tanner works very hard in practice. He's also very physical. Hope he continues to play well in the GC.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on November 12, 2024, 03:50:29 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on November 12, 2024, 04:15:51 AMGlad to see Tanner Schmekel getting a little more playing time and playing well. Tanner with 6 DTs in the last two games.

I wonder, as a SSK boy, was it harder or easier to play against the Riders? 

What happened to the other SSK draft pick. Anthony Bennett? Is he not on the team due to play or injury?  I remember him being around last year, but he was released at the start of training camp this year... did he quit football?
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2024, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on November 12, 2024, 03:50:29 PMI wonder, as a SSK boy, was it harder or easier to play against the Riders? 

What happened to the other SSK draft pick. Anthony Bennett? Is he not on the team due to play or injury?  I remember him being around last year, but he was released at the start of training camp this year... did he quit football?

Bennett was seriously injured in TC, not sure he's recovered yet but O'Shea said they intended to bring him back when he's ready. 

I think there's at least 50% chance Schmeck signs with the Riders in the off-season, it's probably his life long dream to play for the Riders and they'd be really dumb not to pursue him.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: ModAdmin on November 12, 2024, 06:51:04 PM
Good article on, and written by, Nick Taylor on his return to the Blue Bombers...

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/11/11/in-my-words-nick-taylor/?lid=rccq8t1a0bgf&utm_cta=article-read-more&utm_source=braze&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=unreal_2024&utm_brazeid=64d2d75607cbf60001365778&utm_content=&tf_u%5Bcfl_braze_id%5D=64d2d75607cbf60001365778&utm_instance=cfl&CAMEFROM=CFC_CFL_EMAIL_FIELDPASS_GAME-WEEK-RECAP&src=cfl_email_fieldpass-recap-newsletter
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Pigskin on November 12, 2024, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2024, 04:58:54 PMBennett was seriously injured in TC, not sure he's recovered yet but O'Shea said they intended to bring him back when he's ready. 

I think there's at least 50% chance Schmeck signs with the Riders in the off-season, it's probably his life long dream to play for the Riders and they'd be really dumb not to pursue him.

Tanner may have another year left with the Bombers.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: markf on November 12, 2024, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 12, 2024, 06:51:04 PMGood article on, and written by, Nick Taylor on his return to the Blue Bombers...



4.2 forty.......yikes.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 12, 2024, 07:38:53 PM
"I've got two rings with some of these guys. Then they dug me out of the grave. Now what would make this just perfect is to have this chapter end with another win."

Nick Taylor is a heckin' beauty.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: northof30 on November 12, 2024, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on November 11, 2024, 07:32:17 PMWe will have to contain Grant.
That's a key factor. Just one player I couldn't see letting go.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2024, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on November 12, 2024, 07:13:10 PMTanner may have another year left with the Bombers.

His ELC is up, unless he signed for 3 years?
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2024, 08:40:56 PM
111th Grey Cup: Dinwiddie, O'Shea at Head Coaches Conference

https://www.cfl.ca/111th-grey-cup-dinwiddie-oshea-at-head-coaches-conference/

Quite good this year, nice to see more than anger expressed by Dinwiddie, he speaks very honestly about Nick Arbuckle and other subjects. O'Shea just being O'Shea.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: BLUEBOMBER on November 13, 2024, 02:26:54 AM
Clearly the Argos will try to run the ball if possible... Carey will be Grey Cup MVP if the Argos win.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: gobombersgo on November 13, 2024, 06:57:21 AM
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on November 13, 2024, 02:26:54 AMClearly the Argos will try to run the ball if possible... Carey will be Grey Cup MVP if the Argos win.

Yeah, if I was playing the Bombers I would try to run on 2nd and long. I think that's were they are vulnerable.

Bombers just need to get to a sizeable lead like last week and Toronto would probably abandon the run.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on November 13, 2024, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 13, 2024, 06:57:21 AMYeah, if I was playing the Bombers I would try to run on 2nd and long. I think that's were they are vulnerable.

Bombers just need to get to a sizeable lead like last week and Toronto would probably abandon the run.

I like our chances if Toronto is counting on running for first downs on second and ten.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on November 13, 2024, 03:04:51 PM
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 13, 2024, 06:57:21 AMYeah, if I was playing the Bombers I would try to run on 2nd and long. I think that's were they are vulnerable.

Bombers just need to get to a sizeable lead like last week and Toronto would probably abandon the run.

As much as having 9 DB's on the field is a run advantage, those DB's include BA, Kramdi, Ford and more.  All capable of getting to and taking down Carey. 

If it is second an 8, we just need to keep the gain to 6... and I have faith in JY to have a spy on, and that first guy will impede Carey while the rest descend on him.

Toronto has the advantage of Saturday's game tape to see JY's new alignments.  Or maybe the disadvantage, putting in a backup QB and having to scheme for an infinite number of alignments might be a daunting task.

Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Pete on November 13, 2024, 05:16:40 PM
Our run defence is deceiving. If the opponent runs 20 times , on 3 of those the may get 40 yards, but on the other 17 they will only get 65 or less than 4 yds carry.
 We do give up some big run plays but there are a lot of stops.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 13, 2024, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on November 13, 2024, 03:04:51 PMAs much as having 9 DB's on the field is a run advantage, those DB's include BA, Kramdi, Ford and more.  All capable of getting to and taking down Carey. 

If it is second an 8, we just need to keep the gain to 6... and I have faith in JY to have a spy on, and that first guy will impede Carey while the rest descend on him.

Toronto has the advantage of Saturday's game tape to see JY's new alignments.  Or maybe the disadvantage, putting in a backup QB and having to scheme for an infinite number of alignments might be a daunting task.

Have to wonder how long the Bombers can hold onto Jordan Younger, the guy is proving to have brilliant defensive mind and he has to be high on the list of any team looking for a brand new HC or HC/DC.   Can't see him hanging around as a DC if he receives offers to double his salary, he's paid his dues on the way up now it's time for him to reap the green.  Once appointed as a CFL HC the title can be milked for a solid decade in a multitude of locations.

If he left, I guess a return to Richie Hall would be an easy if temp. transition, the assistant role could be filled by a current defensive player, either Bighill or Alexander.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: dd on November 13, 2024, 05:48:28 PM
I just don't see that happening. He's been a DC less than a year, and has had the benefit of having Richie Hall around to help with things, so how much is him and how much is Richie's doing?? He's had the benefit of being around a very good front office and would do himself good to learn as much as he can about running a football club before advancing to HC
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 13, 2024, 06:04:48 PM
Quote from: dd on November 13, 2024, 05:48:28 PMI just don't see that happening. He's been a DC less than a year, and has had the benefit of having Richie Hall around to help with things, so how much is him and how much is Richie's doing?? He's had the benefit of being around a very good front office and would do himself good to learn as much as he can about running a football club before advancing to HC

Could be right, but all it takes is one team thinking differently making him an offer, which would double or triple his salary immediately.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: blue_gold_84 on November 13, 2024, 06:07:37 PM
There were similar remarks made about Pierce after his first year as OC.

Not saying Younger isn't HC material. I do think it's way too early to suggest he'll be high on any HC vacancy lists right now, though.

Look what happened to Claybrooks.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 13, 2024, 06:27:34 PM
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 13, 2024, 06:07:37 PMThere were similar remarks made about Pierce after his first year as OC.

Not saying Younger isn't HC material. I do think it's way too early to suggest he'll be high on any HC vacancy lists right now, though.

Look what happened to Claybrooks.

Essentially Claybrooks got shafted, he was promised 3 years to get it right by Ed Hervey and was only given one year to succeed or fail. Most GM's are smarter now, they realise a HC can't turn a broken team around in year one.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Jesse on November 13, 2024, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: dd on November 13, 2024, 05:48:28 PMI just don't see that happening. He's been a DC less than a year, and has had the benefit of having Richie Hall around to help with things, so how much is him and how much is Richie's doing?? He's had the benefit of being around a very good front office and would do himself good to learn as much as he can about running a football club before advancing to HC

He's doing things quite a bit differently from Hall. Fair to say this is JY's crew now.

That said, in a  home Grey Cup year, after one year as a DC, I think it's safe to say we can talk JY into sticking around for another year.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on November 14, 2024, 04:42:24 AM
Every team has a front office SMS, with not "appearance/promotional" money.

Yes, JY and Buck will be top of lists for HC openings.  How many are there? And how many contenders?

This is a tight knit group, and OC or DC is the second highest coaching level in the CFL, and coaches can have long and lucrative careers as OC or DC. 

Can any team offer a better OC or DC position to JY or Buck?  Really?  Better than the best team in the league?

I think our coaches will be back next year going for the Cup at home. 
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Blue In BC on November 14, 2024, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on November 14, 2024, 04:42:24 AMEvery team has a front office SMS, with not "appearance/promotional" money.

Yes, JY and Buck will be top of lists for HC openings.  How many are there? And how many contenders?

This is a tight knit group, and OC or DC is the second highest coaching level in the CFL, and coaches can have long and lucrative careers as OC or DC. 

Can any team offer a better OC or DC position to JY or Buck?  Really?  Better than the best team in the league?

I think our coaches will be back next year going for the Cup at home. 

The coaches also don't play so promotional appearances are just like interviews they do all season. In that sense there is no need to have a separate promotional amount as there is with players. It's unusual for teams to allow a lateral move if coordinators are still under contract.

Pierce might draw interest for a HC position but I think O'Shea will draw more this off season.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on November 14, 2024, 02:04:57 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 14, 2024, 01:46:39 PMThe coaches also don't play so promotional appearances are just like interviews they do all season. In that sense there is no need to have a separate promotional amount as there is with players. It's unusual for teams to allow a lateral move if coordinators are still under contract.

Pierce might draw interest for a HC position but I think O'Shea will draw more this off season.

I can't see any position or any team that could make any of our coaches happy with a lateral move, and I don't think O'Shea is interested in the multi hat roles like Jones took. 

*IF* a HC role comes up this year, and I can't really see any good team having an open spot, Buck may get some looks again.  One season as a DC doesn't put JY into the conversation, it did last year because there were lots of DC openings, and we would have lost him to one had we not promoted him. 

Again, being well paid to work on the best team in the league is going to beat being slightly better paid on a worse team.  The Bombers main attraction is that they are both talented and a genuinely great bunch of guys, the "culture" here is not one duplicated elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Mick on November 14, 2024, 03:02:28 PM
Grey Cup Injury Report:

https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/13/cfl-injury-reports-111th-grey-cup/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/13/cfl-injury-reports-111th-grey-cup/)
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Waffler on November 14, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
9:30 local time today for those that want to watch the awards.

https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/10/111th-grey-cup-cfl-awards/

Watch the 2024 CFL Awards hosted by CFL on TSN's Kate Beirness and Milt Stegall live on CFL+ on Thursday, November 14 starting at 10:30 p.m. ET.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2024, 05:18:54 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on November 14, 2024, 02:04:57 PMI can't see any position or any team that could make any of our coaches happy with a lateral move, and I don't think O'Shea is interested in the multi hat roles like Jones took. 

*IF* a HC role comes up this year, and I can't really see any good team having an open spot, Buck may get some looks again.  One season as a DC doesn't put JY into the conversation, it did last year because there were lots of DC openings, and we would have lost him to one had we not promoted him. 

Again, being well paid to work on the best team in the league is going to beat being slightly better paid on a worse team.  The Bombers main attraction is that they are both talented and a genuinely great bunch of guys, the "culture" here is not one duplicated elsewhere.

Not many HC openings this year or any year lately with the coach's cap, so there's not a lot of opportunities to compete for HC jobs if that is the ultimate ambition.  Maybe the Elks, maybe the RB's but probably not this year. The RB's fired DC Barron Miles last week, so that's one opening with a possible quicker ascension to HC if they decide to eventually dump Bob Dyce who has been underperforming for years.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Tiger on November 14, 2024, 08:28:58 PM
The Argos at Hotel Vancouver seem all happy. Hopefully Collaros and company can change that on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: theaardvark on November 14, 2024, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2024, 05:18:54 PMNot many HC openings this year or any year lately with the coach's cap, so there's not a lot of opportunities to compete for HC jobs if that is the ultimate ambition.  Maybe the Elks, maybe the RB's but probably not this year. The RB's fired DC Barron Miles last week, so that's one opening with a possible quicker ascension to HC if they decide to eventually dump Bob Dyce who has been underperforming for years.

A lateral move to a worse organization even for a pay bump and a perceived road to promotion, sorry if I can't see it. 
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2024, 09:26:23 PM
Day 2 of practice.

Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 14, 2024, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2024, 09:26:23 PMDay 2 of practice.

nice thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: The Zipp on November 14, 2024, 11:00:17 PM
Referee | No. 31 | Ben Major
 19th season | 335 games | 8th Grey Cup
Umpire | No. 45 | Adam Paradowski
11th season | 160 games | 1st Grey Cup
Down Judge | No. 19 | Chris Shapka
10th season | 172 games | 4th Grey Cup
Line Judge | No. 81 | Walt Hawrysh
 8th season | 125 games | 2nd Grey Cup
Side Judge | No. 65 | Iain Cropper
8th season | 88 games | 1st Grey Cup
Back Judge | No. 40 | Kevin Riopel
7th season | 76 games | 2nd Grey Cup
Field Judge | No. 73 | Brian Chrupalo
19th season | 314 games | 7th Grey Cup
Backup Referee | No. 28 | Andre Proulx
26th season | 444 games | 10th Grey Cup
Backup Official | No. 49 | Jordan Titosky
8th season | 87 games | 1st Grey Cup
Backup Official | No. 46 | Rob Skaggs
22nd season | 366 games | 7th Grey Cup
The crew will be supported by an off-field officiating staff:

Vice-President, Officiating – Darren Hackwood
Senior Manager, Football & Officiating Development – Laurence Pontbriand
Supervisor, Officiating – Carey Anderson
Manager, Officiating and Replay Official – Al Bradbury
Video Official – Dave Foxcroft
Video Official – Andy Fantuz
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TrueBlue75 on November 14, 2024, 11:04:47 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on November 14, 2024, 11:00:17 PMReferee | No. 31 | Ben Major
 19th season | 335 games | 8th Grey Cup
Umpire | No. 45 | Adam Paradowski
11th season | 160 games | 1st Grey Cup
Down Judge | No. 19 | Chris Shapka
10th season | 172 games | 4th Grey Cup
Line Judge | No. 81 | Walt Hawrysh
 8th season | 125 games | 2nd Grey Cup
Side Judge | No. 65 | Iain Cropper
8th season | 88 games | 1st Grey Cup
Back Judge | No. 40 | Kevin Riopel
7th season | 76 games | 2nd Grey Cup
Field Judge | No. 73 | Brian Chrupalo
19th season | 314 games | 7th Grey Cup
Backup Referee | No. 28 | Andre Proulx
26th season | 444 games | 10th Grey Cup
Backup Official | No. 49 | Jordan Titosky
8th season | 87 games | 1st Grey Cup
Backup Official | No. 46 | Rob Skaggs
22nd season | 366 games | 7th Grey Cup
The crew will be supported by an off-field officiating staff:

Vice-President, Officiating – Darren Hackwood
Senior Manager, Football & Officiating Development – Laurence Pontbriand
Supervisor, Officiating – Carey Anderson
Manager, Officiating and Replay Official – Al Bradbury
Video Official – Dave Foxcroft
Video Official – Andy Fantuz

I'm fine with Ben Major. It would be hilarious if another football is kicked into the jumbotron.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: dd on November 14, 2024, 11:51:58 PM
Quote from: The Zipp on November 14, 2024, 11:00:17 PMReferee | No. 31 | Ben Major
 19th season | 335 games | 8th Grey Cup
Umpire | No. 45 | Adam Paradowski
11th season | 160 games | 1st Grey Cup
Down Judge | No. 19 | Chris Shapka
10th season | 172 games | 4th Grey Cup
Line Judge | No. 81 | Walt Hawrysh
 8th season | 125 games | 2nd Grey Cup
Side Judge | No. 65 | Iain Cropper
8th season | 88 games | 1st Grey Cup
Back Judge | No. 40 | Kevin Riopel
7th season | 76 games | 2nd Grey Cup
Field Judge | No. 73 | Brian Chrupalo
19th season | 314 games | 7th Grey Cup
Backup Referee | No. 28 | Andre Proulx
26th season | 444 games | 10th Grey Cup
Backup Official | No. 49 | Jordan Titosky
8th season | 87 games | 1st Grey Cup
Backup Official | No. 46 | Rob Skaggs
22nd season | 366 games | 7th Grey Cup
The crew will be supported by an off-field officiating staff:

Vice-President, Officiating – Darren Hackwood
Senior Manager, Football & Officiating Development – Laurence Pontbriand
Supervisor, Officiating – Carey Anderson
Manager, Officiating and Replay Official – Al Bradbury
Video Official – Dave Foxcroft
Video Official – Andy Fantuz
Congratulations and hats off to Winnipegger Adam Paradowski on getting his 1st Grey Cup assignment after 11 season's in the CFL. And at Umpire no less--the toughest position on the officiating crew by far-- he has to deal with all those big boys knocking the snot out of one another and exchanging pleasantries in between plays, takes a special breed to deal with that stuff. I had the good fortune of being trained by Adam 15 years ago in officiating and did some high school, major and Senior games with him. Well deserved and couldn't happen to a nicer guy!!
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 15, 2024, 12:50:12 AM
Quote from: TrueBlue75 on November 14, 2024, 11:04:47 PMI'm fine with Ben Major. It would be hilarious if another football is kicked into the jumbotron.
don't need to worry about that with Sheehan.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: ModAdmin on November 15, 2024, 02:48:43 AM
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Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 15, 2024, 05:13:14 AM
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 15, 2024, 02:48:43 AMCFL prognosticators say...

Nye doubling down on the stupid I see!  I'm pretty sure he picked SSK for WDF too.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 15, 2024, 05:15:32 AM
Quote from: The Zipp on November 14, 2024, 11:00:17 PMReferee | No. 31 | Ben Major
 19th season | 335 games | 8th Grey Cup

<checks list nervously for #22>

Nope, no #22.

Isn't this Ben's first GC as head ref?  Or am I forgetting something?  Surely he hasn't head reffed 8!  Good for Ben.

Does he get it because he's one of the few that can speak in both languages?  The sometimes segue to French in the GC, non?
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 15, 2024, 05:16:44 AM
Quote from: Tiger on November 14, 2024, 08:28:58 PMThe Argos at Hotel Vancouver seem all happy. Hopefully Collaros and company can change that on Sunday.

Anyone got a bead on where the Bombers players are staying?  Haven't seen a single player in my hotel yet, even though I am seeing the higher-ups.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 15, 2024, 05:21:13 AM
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 13, 2024, 06:57:21 AMYeah, if I was playing the Bombers I would try to run on 2nd and long. I think that's were they are vulnerable.

Exactly.  Run when not expected.  Run when expected.  Run with RB1, then RB2, then RB3.  Run run run.  What else are they gonna do with high likelihood of success.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 15, 2024, 01:28:20 PM
Bush Whacker Nye likely eats his own children to. :D
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Horseman on November 15, 2024, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: dd on November 14, 2024, 11:51:58 PMCongratulations and hats off to Winnipegger Adam Paradowski on getting his 1st Grey Cup assignment after 11 season's in the CFL. And at Umpire no less--the toughest position on the officiating crew by far-- he has to deal with all those big boys knocking the snot out of one another and exchanging pleasantries in between plays, takes a special breed to deal with that stuff. I had the good fortune of being trained by Adam 15 years ago in officiating and did some high school, major and Senior games with him. Well deserved and couldn't happen to a nicer guy!!


Another Winnipeger officiating is #73 Field Judge Brian Chrupalo, retired WPS Officer.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 15, 2024, 07:10:53 PM
I guess yet another Winnipegger Richie Miller (Wade's Bro) did not make the cut this year. Ex-cop to I believe.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: ichabod_crane on November 15, 2024, 11:36:04 PM
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 15, 2024, 01:28:20 PMBush Whacker Nye likely eats his own children to. :D

Bill Nye the Science guy?! :D Never knew he followed football! ;)
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: ichabod_crane on November 15, 2024, 11:38:33 PM
I hope NONE of those refs from that phantom calls game vs Sask are doing the Grey Cup! Still P.O'd from that farce! ;)
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: gobombersgo on November 16, 2024, 12:01:07 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 15, 2024, 05:16:44 AMAnyone got a bead on where the Bombers players are staying?  Haven't seen a single player in my hotel yet, even though I am seeing the higher-ups.

I know the Sutton Place Hotel has been used by the CFL in the past.

Not sure about this year though.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 16, 2024, 12:25:09 AM
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 16, 2024, 12:01:07 AMI know the Sutton Place Hotel has been used by the CFL in the past.

Not sure about this year though.

The Bombers usually stay in Moose Jaw and commute in for the game.
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 01:00:36 AM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 16, 2024, 12:25:09 AMThe Bombers usually stay in Moose Jaw and commute in for the game.

Cheaper that way!  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: GOLDMEMBER on November 16, 2024, 01:03:08 AM
Quote from: ichabod_crane on November 15, 2024, 11:36:04 PMBill Nye the Science guy?! :D Never knew he followed football! ;)
science of what? The study of bias disregard? Hopefully he didn't put money on it! :D
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: dd on November 16, 2024, 01:07:11 AM
Quote from: Horseman on November 15, 2024, 05:48:24 PMAnother Winnipeger officiating is #73 Field Judge Brian Chrupalo, retired WPS Officer.

Ya I knew that, but my point was this is Adams first grey cup game and it was at the umpire position—the toughest position to do as you're dealing with all the ugliness amongst very big men
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: dd on November 16, 2024, 01:07:11 AMYa I knew that, but my point was this is Adams first grey cup game and it was at the umpire position—the toughest position to do as you're dealing with all the ugliness amongst very big men

Well, it's probably comforting to him knowing that if any player pounds on him that guy is likely booted out of the league that week.  It's like "hit me, I DARE you!".
Title: Re: 2024 Grey Cup Pre-game Discussion
Post by: dd on November 16, 2024, 01:39:05 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 01:24:16 AMWell, it's probably comforting to him knowing that if any player pounds on him that guy is likely booted out of the league that week.  It's like "hit me, I DARE you!".
In all seriousness, he's been knocked out twice in CFL games from collisions with players. He's literally paid his dues. He and others have paid a big price umpiring games using the old mechanic, and the move to having the umpire on the offensive side of the line was LONG overdue. The game is waaay too fast and when those players hit you, you don't wake up for a bit!!