As per TSN
Was not really a hard hit. He must have just gotten twisted up in the tackle somehow.
I think a DL fell on his leg with close to full weight. Unfortunate but it shows how quickly a player can see his season end.
He may not be ready for TC 2025. 6-9 months of re-hab.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Yuge. Basically the moment TOR won the East Div, whoever was going to win the W Div was going to win the cup.
Arbuckle is the new Dinwiddie. Kelly was the straw that stirred the drink.
I don't care what people or stats say: running QBs eventually get injured running. Should have slid... will cost them a cup.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 10, 2024, 03:15:31 AMCouldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Hehe, maybe the lady he was harassing got a voodoo doll and was poking knitting needles in its legs!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 10, 2024, 03:19:13 AMYuge. Basically the moment TOR won the East Div, whoever was going to win the W Div was going to win the cup.
Arbuckle is the new Dinwiddie. Kelly was the straw that stirred the drink.
I don't care what people or stats say: running QBs eventually get injured running. Should have slid... will cost them a cup.
His injury didn't cost them a cup, they would have lost anyways!! It wasn't their offense that won them the game today a TD by each their st and defense helped pave the way
Karma can be a b______.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 10, 2024, 03:15:31 AMCouldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 10, 2024, 03:19:13 AMArbuckle is the new Dinwiddie. Kelly was the straw that stirred the drink.
Best sidebar is Dinwiddie is the HC of the team. Makes for fun trivia, IMO.
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Best sidebar is Dinwiddie is the HC of the team. Makes for fun trivia, IMO.
Big difference, 2007 CUp was Dinwiddies first start EVER.
Arbuckle is a veteran who has a lot of experience, and been a starter, and went 5/8 to finish out the game with the ALs pressing hard.
Its not a cakewalk, but it is a bit easier.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 10, 2024, 03:19:13 AMYuge. Basically the moment TOR won the East Div, whoever was going to win the W Div was going to win the cup.
Arbuckle is the new Dinwiddie. Kelly was the straw that stirred the drink.
I don't care what people or stats say: running QBs eventually get injured running. Should have slid... will cost them a cup.
Not quite as Arbuckle has many games under his belt in the CFL. A little pudgier now though. Dinwiddie was pretty raw when he was thrown to the wolves in 2007.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 10, 2024, 04:53:28 PMBig difference, 2007 CUp was Dinwiddies first start EVER.
Arbuckle is a veteran who has a lot of experience, and been a starter, and went 5/8 to finish out the game with the ALs pressing hard.
Its not a cakewalk, but it is a bit easier.
Certainly not apples to apples by any means. I find it makes for interesting trivia to see a backup QB who had to play in the big game become a HC to then have to rely on his backup QB in the big game. I wonder how Dinwiddie approaches that challenge this week and how that could impact Arbuckle in his preparation.
The Bombers no doubt have the edge with Kelly injured, but I agree that it won't be a cakewalk. The Argonauts defense will still pose a formidable challenge for Collaros and co. on offense.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2024, 06:43:34 PMCertainly not apples to apples by any means. I find it makes for interesting trivia to see a backup QB who had to play in the big game become a HC to then have to rely on his backup QB in the big game. I wonder how Dinwiddie approaches that challenge this week and how that could impact Arbuckle in his preparation.
The Bombers no doubt have the edge with Kelly injured, but I agree that it won't be a cakewalk. The Argonauts defense will still pose a formidable challenge for Collaros and co. on offense.
Hopefully, the result for the backup is the same as it was in 2007...
Kharma owes us one.
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Hearing there is hope that Chad Kelly's recovery could be as short as 4-6 months but that assessment can't be made until the 10-12 week mark. #Argos #CFL
I was chatting with some Argos fans on TwiXter today and we were speculating that Toronto may re-sign Bryan Scott as their 3rd QB for the Grey Cup. The Bombers released Scott 2 days prior to the trade deadline which makes him eligible to sign and play with any CFL team in 2024.
Though the Kelly injury hurts, Argos can still do pretty well with just a competent game manager at QB, if that is what Arbuckle brings. They are good enough at defense and special teams to be in any game. We should remember that.
Doubtless that they bring in Scott for a brain picking session. I would if I was them.
Quote from: Waffler on November 10, 2024, 10:26:06 PMThough the Kelly injury hurts, Argos can still do pretty well with just a competent game manager at QB, if that is what Arbuckle brings. They are good enough at defense and special teams to be in any game. We should remember that.
Doubtless that they bring in Scott for a brain picking session. I would if I was them.
The Argos have a much better Defence than the Riders, there won't be any easy TD's given up and they'll put much more pressure on Zach in the backfield. Bombers likely have to win the game with a TD or two and a bunch of FG's.
I'm just looking at this bizarre injury to Chad Kelly. A few observations.
His leg is clearly broken. How is he not writhing in pain?
He gets up and tries to walk on the leg and fails. Again, where is the pain? Where is the shock? Where is the realization that he has a broken leg?
When he goes down after trying to walk on the leg he looks like he is trying to fix the leg as he tries to hold his leg together with his hands. Should he be doing that?
Where is the concern from his team mates? One of the lineman, Allen, let's out a cry of anguish but then gets up and just walks away leaving Kelly holding his leg on the ground.
Everyone else just mills around and some just casually walk away from him like nothing has happened. No one signals for any help from the sidelines for their fallen team mate. Very strange. I have never seen a team react to an injury like this.
Kelly is sitting on the ground looking around, alone, as if to say, um, I might need some help here. But no one seems to be paying any attention. Kelly looks bewildered. Where are the trainers? Where is the support?
Finally Dinwiddie comes out to see him.
I've never seen anything like this before.
Kelly's Injury (https://x.com/i/status/1855459582216110559)
I think everyone was in shock at what happened. Kelly was clearly in shock as if he wasn't he'd be screaming like crazy. His team let out a 'oh god no' yell, and right away you knew it was bad. All of his teammates were out on the field on one knee around him but were giving the paramedics space to do their thing and get him the attention they needed.
On paper, the Argos lost alot with this injury, but it can be a catalyst for the team to rally around it. Remember when Trent Green went down for the Rams and Coach Vermeil announced they will rally around Kurt Warner and play good football...I fully expect the same thing from the Argos, and to take them lightly will be a massive mistake. A bear is most dangerous when it is hurt.
The Argos are going to play a fantastic game, no doubt, but the Grey Cup is one where I don't think they'll have an intertia advantage like that.
For one, the Bombers will be strapped in from snap one. And additionally, with a backup you sometimes aren't sure what you're going to get. How fortunate are we that we have a full game tape of Arbuckle going against our defense from this season? Talk about a good scheduling break.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 11, 2024, 01:52:42 PMThe Argos are going to play a fantastic game, no doubt, but the Grey Cup is one where I don't think they'll have an intertia advantage like that.
For one, the Bombers will be strapped in from snap one. And additionally, with a backup you sometimes aren't sure what you're going to get. How fortunate are we that we have a full game tape of Arbuckle going against our defense from this season? Talk about a good scheduling break.
Yeah, I think we know what we'll get. Arbuckle is not Kelly. He's not as good a passer and less elusive as a runner. He's thrown more int's than TD's in 84 games and less TD's than Kelly in 36 games
Bombers have played against Arbuckle many times in the past. Argo defence is not as good as the Riders IMO. Front 7 maybe but our game against the Riders is going to give them more to worry about in our passing game. That may loosen up their run defence and pressure from the front 7.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 11, 2024, 05:18:27 PMYeah, I think we know what we'll get. Arbuckle is not Kelly. He's not as good a passer and less elusive as a runner. He's thrown more int's than TD's in 84 games and less TD's than Kelly in 36 games
Bombers have played against Arbuckle many times in the past. Argo defence is not as good as the Riders IMO. Front 7 maybe but our game against the Riders is going to give them more to worry about in our passing game. That may loosen up their run defence and pressure from the front 7.
5 times.
2018: 1/1; 6 yards; 0 TD; 0 INT (WPG loss)
2019: 22/35; 260 yards; 1 TD; 2 INT (WPG win)
2021: (1) 10/18; 96 yards; 0 TD; 1 INT (WPG win)
(2) 23/32; 310 yards; 1 TD; 0 INT (WPG loss)
2024: 12/22; 87 yards; 0 TD; 0 INT (WPG loss)
As expected, Toronto Argonauts have signed QB Bryan Scott. He was with the Argos in 2023 and the first half of 2024.
Hopefully the Younger-Hall Swiss army knife defence confuses the Argos QB
to the point of him throwing off target, fumbling, stumbling, and getting intercepted.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2024, 03:04:39 PMBest sidebar is Dinwiddie is the HC of the team. Makes for fun trivia, IMO.
My only reservation is this could give Dinwiddie a chance to exorcise his GC-loss demons, winning vicariously through Arbuckle. He may be rabid trying to win this because if he loses again it may bring back all the PTSD from his GC loss that he has spent all this time putting behind him. This could mentally break the man.
Yes, Arbuckle has starts. Yes, he's won games. But what's his record ex-CGY? Pretty bad. Bad enough to barely be employed in 2024. He never looked good after leaving CGY. Him Franklin & Jennings only looked good because of the team they were on. When they left the good team, they revealed their suckage.
Arbuckle starting the GC is as bad as Dolegala starting for us would be.
There's a reason we opened 10.5 point favorites in betting markets. 10.5! It'll be hard to make any money betting on WPG this week.
Quote from: Waffler on November 10, 2024, 10:26:06 PMDoubtless that they bring in Scott for a brain picking session. I would if I was them.
Great. TOR does this every single year they think they'll have a shot at being in a cup against WPG. Steal a nobody late in the season to get the book.
Luckily for us our O has changed a lot since the trade deadline. I don't think our O looks anything like it did.
However, if we had any tricks in reserve that we hadn't deployed (on film) yet, better trash those and come up with new ones. Scott will spill the beans.
I know many of you refuse to believe "it works that way", but it's not just coincidence TOR has picked up a WPG player at the last second in each of '22, '23, '24. And then they dump those guys instantly in FA. Nothing to see here!
If I were KW, I'd hire one of their cast-offs for a week just to scare TOR. You don't actually have to pick his brain or change anything, just give the optics that you are going to.
Quote from: J5V on November 11, 2024, 02:25:42 AMWhere is the concern from his team mates? One of the lineman, Allen, let's out a cry of anguish but then gets up and just walks away leaving Kelly holding his leg on the ground.
Allen wasn't screaming for Kelly, he was screaming because they just lost the cup, and possibly the EDF.
All of TOR's worries and tears were for their season completely falling apart down into the abyss.
The reason they were worried about the GC first and Kelly second (or not at all) is because I think a lot of them are me-first and really don't care about Kelly. Not every team has the culture and brotherhood WPG does. That's our advantage. That is why we'll win.
Quote from: Jesse on November 11, 2024, 05:36:41 PM5 times.
2018: 1/1; 6 yards; 0 TD; 0 INT (WPG loss)
2019: 22/35; 260 yards; 1 TD; 2 INT (WPG win)
2021: (1) 10/18; 96 yards; 0 TD; 1 INT (WPG win)
(2) 23/32; 310 yards; 1 TD; 0 INT (WPG loss)
2024: 12/22; 87 yards; 0 TD; 0 INT (WPG loss)
Ignore the years in CGY. CGY was a near-unbeatable team those years. Brohm would have looked good playing there at that time.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on November 11, 2024, 06:06:28 PMAs expected, Toronto Argonauts have signed QB Bryan Scott. He was with the Argos in 2023 and the first half of 2024.
Interesting, wonder who's TC he'll be at next spring? I believe the Bombers were quite impressed with him and extended an invitation for him to come back.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 11, 2024, 08:14:45 PMAllen wasn't screaming for Kelly, he was screaming because they just lost the cup, and possibly the EDF.
All of TOR's worries and tears were for their season completely falling apart down into the abyss.
The reason they were worried about the GC first and Kelly second (or not at all) is because I think a lot of them are me-first and really don't care about Kelly. Not every team has the culture and brotherhood WPG does. That's our advantage. That is why we'll win.
Exactly, you could hear the disbelief in his voice, we're going to the cup and nooooooo, he broke his leg, there goes our chances of winning!!!
Quote from: J5V on November 11, 2024, 02:25:42 AMI'm just looking at this bizarre injury to Chad Kelly. A few observations.
His leg is clearly broken. How is he not writhing in pain?
He gets up and tries to walk on the leg and fails. Again, where is the pain? Where is the shock? Where is the realization that he has a broken leg?
When he goes down after trying to walk on the leg he looks like he is trying to fix the leg as he tries to hold his leg together with his hands. Should he be doing that?
Where is the concern from his team mates? One of the lineman, Allen, let's out a cry of anguish but then gets up and just walks away leaving Kelly holding his leg on the ground.
Everyone else just mills around and some just casually walk away from him like nothing has happened. No one signals for any help from the sidelines for their fallen team mate. Very strange. I have never seen a team react to an injury like this.
Kelly is sitting on the ground looking around, alone, as if to say, um, I might need some help here. But no one seems to be paying any attention. Kelly looks bewildered. Where are the trainers? Where is the support?
Finally Dinwiddie comes out to see him.
I've never seen anything like this before.
Kelly's Injury (https://x.com/i/status/1855459582216110559)
I've had serious injuries before and my reaction was similar. The pain is nothing when you immediately realize what a living hell your life will become for the next couple of months (driving, going up stairs, skipping leg day). But I'll scream like a little girl if I get a cramp in my toe lol
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 11, 2024, 08:02:40 PMMy only reservation is this could give Dinwiddie a chance to exorcise his GC-loss demons, winning vicariously through Arbuckle. He may be rabid trying to win this because if he loses again it may bring back all the PTSD from his GC loss that he has spent all this time putting behind him. This could mentally break the man.
Yes, Arbuckle has starts. Yes, he's won games. But what's his record ex-CGY? Pretty bad. Bad enough to barely be employed in 2024. He never looked good after leaving CGY. Him Franklin & Jennings only looked good because of the team they were on. When they left the good team, they revealed their suckage.
Arbuckle starting the GC is as bad as Dolegala starting for us would be.
There's a reason we opened 10.5 point favorites in betting markets. 10.5! It'll be hard to make any money betting on WPG this week.
Dolegala might as well be a pylon! Thought he was totally useless in Sask. 3rd qb spot wide open next season as Streves is done. Wilson has done the same job and more so far. Just need see what he can do with his arm. Younger and cheaper too. Wheels that Streves no longer has and major potential upside is he has a good arm/accuracy.
Zach stays for next year and then either retires or becomes sort of the backup/QB coach at same time if he wants.
I was also shocked at how nonplussed he was after moving his foot the completely wrong way, the look on his face seemed more astonishment than pain. Maybe his pain threshold is much higher than a normal person due to playing football so long, or maybe he was on some good pain meds for other issues...
I think he was in total shock at what was happening.
BLM took a big pay cut before this season, now he wants Hamilton to show him the money!
https://3downnation.com/2024/11/14/bo-levi-mitchell-wants-to-play-in-2025-but-not-under-existing-prove-it-contract/
It's going to be a super interesting off-season with all the potential QB movement, could open the door for Ford to head home to Southern Ont..