Well folks we play the Riders for the 4th time this year and it should be a barn burner.
I think we have the advantage in the trenches especially with there depleted OL.
They seem to be more balls hawks though I prefer our secondary with more steady play overall.
Ouelette dosen't scare me as I think our LB core is better than BCs but the DL will need to watch gap control.
Buck cannot forget to use Brady on the regular.
Castillo needs to be consistent for the rest of the year. Whyte cost the Lions big time.
Lastly Zach needs to be on task protecting the ball while his WRs need to get open for him.
Discuss fans and enjoy your week!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 03, 2024, 02:38:18 PMWell folks we play the Riders for the 4th time this year and it should be a barn burner.
I think we have the advantage in the trenches especially with there depleted OL.
They seem to be more balls hawks though I prefer our secondary with more steady play overall.
Ouelette dosen't scare me as I think our LB core is better than BCs but the DL will need to watch gap control.
Buck cannot forget to use Brady on the regular.
Castillo needs to be consistent for the rest of the year. Whyte cost the Lions big time.
Lastly Zach needs to be on task protecting the ball while his WRs need to get open for him.
Discuss fans and enjoy your week!
Ouelette IF FULLY HEALTHY is my one worry as our DL is not great this season. By the time a LB comes up to face him he is already a raging bull in a China shop. Now supposedly knicked in the WSF, but how badly I do not know.
Anyway the Bombers should go bombs away early and get a 2 td lead mixing in some bully ball. Then Sask has to forget the dink and dunk game and then THEY ARE THE ONES desperate and not playing their usual O game.
What worries me is Trevor Harris getting the ball out quickly and Sask being able to dink and dunk on us. I would also anticipate Sask going after Bonds and if BA is still out then also going after #16 Kelly.
Quote from: Horseman on November 03, 2024, 07:57:22 PMWhat worries me is Trevor Harris getting the ball out quickly and Sask being able to dink and dunk on us. I would also anticipate Sask going after Bonds and if BA is still out then also going after #16 Kelly.
I would have been more worried of VA and his explosive big plays. You can't plan against him being hot or cold. You can however game plan against dink and dunk.
Only 250 tickets left for the West Final. Source Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
Quote from: Mick on November 03, 2024, 08:23:48 PMI would have been more worried of VA and his explosive big plays. You can't plan against him being hot or cold. You can however game plan against dink and dunk.
So what's the game plan??
Quote from: dd on November 03, 2024, 10:00:48 PMSo what's the game plan??
That's for the coaching staff to decide. But I am confident we are going to the grey cup.
Quote from: Horseman on November 03, 2024, 07:57:22 PMI would also anticipate Sask going after Bonds and if BA is still out then also going after #16 Kelly.
Bonds proved he was the big liability. Is there a chance we start Bridges instead? Isn't he Nichols' buddy? Does Bridges play CB? Him next to Nichols might be a good combo.
Quote from: dd on November 03, 2024, 10:00:48 PMSo what's the game plan??
Just go back and look how Hall beat SSK in those 2 WDFs we won. It's the same O, but with even less deep shots!
Maybe dress a surplus of LBers? Speed will rule the day, not power. Saturate the lanes and up the smoke & mirrors level. Get DL dropping back a ton. Willy's arms can block at least 2 short-pass lanes just by themselves.
Our D will do fine. The key is for our O to put up points and not turnover the ball.
I m thinking if they want to stop the dink and dunk short game,our secondary has to play aggressive man coverage, to which sask will counter with their run game. It's going to be a good physical close game
All the talk is that we haven't faced Harris and Oulette combo yet this year, the fact that they are having Oulette and Armstead splitting duties leads me to believe that neither one is 100%. I'm excited to see how Brady can preform against this "League Best" defense. I truly believe we are going to see the best performance of the year from our OL on Saturday. Zach is going to light the place up!
Looking like some excellent November weather for Saturdays game.
According to another site
"No Miles Brown or Trevor Reid at Practice According to Britton Gray"
Quote from: Mick on November 05, 2024, 04:25:24 PMAccording to another site
"No Miles Brown or Trevor Reid at Practice According to Britton Gray"
Well that's disappointing... ;)
Quote from: Bluehawk on November 05, 2024, 06:04:19 PMWell that's disappointing... ;)
sorry to disappoint, word is Brown is practicing.
Quote from: jayrock on November 05, 2024, 06:13:35 PMsorry to disappoint, word is Brown is practicing.
I won't believe anything I see online, until I see the injury report.
Quote from: Mick on November 05, 2024, 06:27:56 PMI won't believe anything I see online, until I see the injury report.
The injury report is online. ;D
Interesting, the CFL sports writers are split down the middle on their predictions for both the Eastern and Western Finals...
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/05/prediction-time-cfl-ca-writers-division-final-picks-2/
Wow, thats a pile of DNP for SSK, and we lookin' pretty **** good this time of year.
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/05/cfl-injury-reports-division-finals/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/05/cfl-injury-reports-division-finals/)
Injuries
SASKATCHEWAN ROUGHRIDERS PRACTICE DAY
Player Name POSITION Injury TUE WED THU Game Status
Shawn Bane WR Knee DNP
Bryan Cox DL Knee DNP
Jaxon Ford DB Knee DNP
Frankie Hickson">Frankie Hickson RB Head Limited
Colton Hunchak WR Healthy Scratch Full
Lake Korte-Moore">Lake Korte-Moore DL Knee DNP
Anthony Lanier II DL Healthy Scratch Full
Dohnte Meyers WR Shoulder DNP
Aubrey Miller Jr LB Back DNP
Kosi Onyeka DB Healthy Scrach Full
CJ Reavis DB Knee DNP
Trevor Reid OL Knee DNP
Joe Robustelli">Joe Robustelli WR Shoulder DNP
Ryan Sceviour">Ryan Sceviour OL Elbow Full
Kian Schaffer-Baker WR Neck DNP
Melique Straker">Melique Straker LB Hip Full
Deontai Williams DB Healthy Scratch Full
Noah Zerr OL Healthy Scratch Ful
I saw Reid, and Shafer-Baker get injured. But Not Reavis, Ford, or Cox interesting. Either just resting them, or something significant.
Reavis is a big one, he's been a big part of their D.
Our IR report is looking very good. Everyone at Full participation. OTOH, the Riders have some issues to be sure.
K. Wilson and Alexander look to be possible choices to be activated. Hard to say if they will be seriously considered for the WDF but perhaps. Depends on what we don't know of game plan.
K. Wilson is a very good run stopper, probably better than Cole as a starter? It could be that Ayers gets bumped and Cole fills another role on defence.
I'd prefer Alexander back at safety if his hand doesn't limit his ability to make a tackle. Bridges would seem to be odd man out if that happens.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 05, 2024, 09:10:19 PMOur IR report is looking very good. Everyone at Full participation. OTOH, the Riders have some issues to be sure.
K. Wilson and Alexander look to be possible choices to be activated. Hard to say if they will be seriously considered for the WDF but perhaps. Depends on what we don't know of game plan.
K. Wilson is a very good run stopper, probably better than Cole as a starter? It could be that Ayers gets bumped and Cole fills another role on defence.
I'd prefer Alexander back at safety if his hand doesn't limit his ability to make a tackle. Bridges would seem to be odd man out if that happens.
A tough call but Wilson and Alexander likely help the team. The question remains if the guys they replace will he missed if we have injuries. Rust would be my only concern. Wilson is > Cole but only if at full speed. Alexander has the strength and power to tackle with one had but it's a factor to be certain. I bet we see plenty of rotation on D regardless.
Would Wilson even make it through the game? Do we want to risk that?
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 05, 2024, 09:10:19 PMOur IR report is looking very good. Everyone at Full participation. OTOH, the Riders have some issues to be sure.
K. Wilson and Alexander look to be possible choices to be activated. Hard to say if they will be seriously considered for the WDF but perhaps. Depends on what we don't know of game plan.
K. Wilson is a very good run stopper, probably better than Cole as a starter? It could be that Ayers gets bumped and Cole fills another role on defence.
I'd prefer Alexander back at safety if his hand doesn't limit his ability to make a tackle. Bridges would seem to be odd man out if that happens.
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After today's press conference, I'm of the opinion if BA can't play Safety it's going to be Nick Taylor taking his place.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 05, 2024, 10:19:52 PM[/b]
After today's press conference, I'm of the opinion if BA can't play Safety it's going to be Nick Taylor taking his place.
Healthy versus game speed/rust are factors for both choices. I like Taylor but I don't ever remember him playing safety.
The IR reports Haba was a healthy scratch last week when we choose Fox. I don't know if that worked out well or not. I see Person is practising and he was reported to be a speedster as a rusher at DE. Does that make him a candidate in a critical game.
It's good we have some choices to make but I don't know which way this will unfold. Win the WDF and we have another week to get some players back up with conditioning.
Is Wilson really better than Cole?? I thought Cole has been a beast out there since he was inserted into the lineup. I have no concern at WILL, my concern is at safety.
Quote from: dd on November 05, 2024, 11:04:09 PMIs Wilson really better than Cole?? I thought Cole has been a beast out there since he was inserted into the lineup. I have no concern at WILL, my concern is at safety.
I'd say a healthy Wilson is better than Cole at the moment. Cole may be the future but Wilson has often been referred to as an all star type player.
Wilson has been our starter for several years but has had difficulty staying healthy.
I'm not knocking Cole and he has been very good but I'd still lean towards Wilson. The downside is that he's missed the last 10 games and putting him in for a playoff game may still not be a wise choice.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 05, 2024, 11:31:55 PMI'd say a healthy Wilson is better than Cole at the moment. Cole may be the future but Wilson has often been referred to as an all star type player.
Wilson has been our starter for several years but has had difficulty staying healthy.
I'm not knocking Cole and he has been very good but I'd still lean towards Wilson. The downside is that he's missed the last 10 games and putting him in for a playoff game may still not be a wise choice.
How would you know? Kyrie Wilson hasn't played a game since July 20.
Quote from: dd on November 05, 2024, 11:04:09 PMIs Wilson really better than Cole?? I thought Cole has been a beast out there since he was inserted into the lineup. I have no concern at WILL, my concern is at safety.
Is Cole even above Ayers on the depth chart? I believe Ayers was starting at WIL the majority of time Wilson was out. Could be Ayers has been banged up thus Cole getting more reps in that spot recently.
Quote from: Pigskin on November 05, 2024, 04:13:25 PMLooking like some excellent November weather for Saturdays game.
Here here, gonna be moocho sports extravaganza with GoldMember making a Jets game appearance and bolt to stadium!!!!! Bottoms up!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 12:20:56 AMIs Cole even above Ayers on the depth chart? I believe Ayers was starting at WIL the majority of time Wilson was out. Could be Ayers has been banged up thus Cole getting more reps in that spot recently.
I think Ayer's only got in when Cole was also hurt.
Had trouble keeping any of our LBs healthy this year.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 06, 2024, 01:54:45 AMHere here, gonna be moocho sports extravaganza with GoldMember making a Jets game appearance and bolt to stadium!!!!! Bottoms up!
Can't get a better day of sports in Winnipeg. Stars and Jets, and then Riders and Bombers. Both should be excellent games.
Couple of things to note..
On game day when the Riders visit the Blue Bombers...
Tailgate opens at 2:00 pm.
Be a part of watching the Eastern Final with other Bomber fans at PA Stadium.
Enjoy the $5.00 Beer, the $3.50 Hot Dogs and the $3.50 fountain drinks.
There will be heated tents and fire pits available for your comfort.
Also be aware that a new Bomber Store will open until December 29th in the Kildonan area. Visit it and support the Blue Bomber organization.
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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 05, 2024, 11:43:58 PMHow would you know? Kyrie Wilson hasn't played a game since July 20.
Because he has been our starter for several seasons and always played well. Around the league he was regarded as under valued / appreciated.
Just because a player hasn't played for an extended time doesn't mean he is not the better choice when healthy. The only question is game speed and conditioning level.
Bighill has been out nearly as long. Would you question his return if he was healthy?
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 01:36:18 PMBecause he has been our starter for several seasons and always played well. Around the league he was regarded as under valued / appreciated.
Just because a player hasn't played for an extended time doesn't mean he is not the better choice when healthy. The only question is game speed and conditioning level.
Bighill has been out nearly as long. Would you question his return if he was healthy?
I 100% do not want Wilson or Bighill starting in the playoffs. Wilson has played 20 of the last 38 games (including playoffs), hasn't played since July 20 when we were 2-5, and didn't make it through warm-ups the last time he tried.
Bighill is a season ender anyway but I think we've gotten better play out of Tony Jones who ended the season on a heater (17 tackles and a sack in the last two games).
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 06, 2024, 01:51:43 PMI 100% do not want Wilson or Bighill starting in the playoffs. Wilson has played 20 of the last 38 games (including playoffs), hasn't played since July 20 when we were 2-5, and didn't make it through warm-ups the last time he tried.
Bighill is a season ender anyway but I think we've gotten better play out of Tony Jones who ended the season on a heater (17 tackles and a sack in the last two games).
Bighill certainly won't back but if he was, the Jones slides to WIl. He's a better choice than Cole and Cole is better than Ayers. So overall our defence would be upgraded.
However, it's quite possible that Bighill has played his last game.
I get that Wilson has not been able to stay healthy. It doesn't change the fact he's our best WIL. Again, Ayers would get bumped off the AR and Cole would be used differently and in rotation.
Whether he gets activate is a TBD. Bringing a player back that's missed so much time for a playoff game is a concern. OTOH, if he becomes the rotation LB with Ayers coming off, then maybe less of a risk.
I guess we'll see what changes we see on the AR. At worst it gives us injury insurance for the Grey Cup if we have further injuries and win the WDF.
I don't expect Wilson back in 2025 due to extensive injury history but for the the next two weeks, that's a different question.
We're better without Bighill & Wilson. I'd go as far as to say we'd have lost more games if they played the whole season.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 02:08:00 PMBighill certainly won't back but if he was, the Jones slides to WIl. He's a better choice than Cole and Cole is better than Ayers. So overall our defence would be upgraded.
However, it's quite possible that Bighill has played his last game.
I get that Wilson has not been able to stay healthy. It doesn't change the fact he's our best WIL. Again, Ayers would get bumped off the AR and Cole would be used differently and in rotation.
Whether he gets activate is a TBD. Bringing a player back that's missed so much time for a playoff game is a concern. OTOH, if he becomes the rotation LB with Ayers coming off, then maybe less of a risk.
I guess we'll see what changes we see on the AR. At worst it gives us injury insurance for the Grey Cup if we have further injuries and win the WDF.
I don't expect Wilson back in 2025 due to extensive injury history but for the the next two weeks, that's a different question.
Wilson might have been our best weakside linebacker going into the season but the West Final is being played on November 9. Is he our best weakside linebacker on Saturday after not playing a live snap in three and a half months? Will he be in game shape? Can he hold up all game? Will he be at his best compared to a guy who has been playing throughout the entire winning streak? I doubt it, who knows and no.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 02:08:00 PMBighill certainly won't back but if he was, the Jones slides to WIl. He's a better choice than Cole and Cole is better than Ayers. So overall our defence would be upgraded.
However, it's quite possible that Bighill has played his last game.
I get that Wilson has not been able to stay healthy. It doesn't change the fact he's our best WIL. Again, Ayers would get bumped off the AR and Cole would be used differently and in rotation.
Whether he gets activate is a TBD. Bringing a player back that's missed so much time for a playoff game is a concern. OTOH, if he becomes the rotation LB with Ayers coming off, then maybe less of a risk.
I guess we'll see what changes we see on the AR. At worst it gives us injury insurance for the Grey Cup if we have further injuries and win the WDF.
I don't expect Wilson back in 2025 due to extensive injury history but for the the next two weeks, that's a different question.
Ayers, Cole and Jones are all valuable on ST as well, they have to be careful bringing Kyrie back so they don't short staff another position like the D or O-Line of a rotational backup. If possible I hope they ease Wilson back in slowly as he hasn't played much this season or last. It could be the end of the road for him and Biggie.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 06, 2024, 02:42:45 PMWilson might have been our best weakside linebacker going into the season but the West Final is being played on November 9. Is he our best weakside linebacker on Saturday after not playing a live snap in three and a half months? Will he be in game shape? Can he hold up all game? Will he be at his best compared to a guy who has been playing throughout the entire winning streak? I doubt it, who knows and no.
The point is that he doesn't have to be the starter. He would improve the depth for rotation and injury insurance. The player that would come off would be Ayers.
Predicting whether we have an injury at LB during the WDF is impossible. Ayers is very good on ST's so that's a trade off that would have to be made if Wilson is added to the AR.
It's a very valid point that Wilson has not played for several months. It's also true that during our winning streak we won 4 games by a combined 11 points so we weren't exactly as dominating as previous seasons.
I like Cole and think he could be the WIL in 2025. That doesn't change my view that I'd bump Ayers to add Wilson as the rotation LB. All of this is contingent on Wilson up to game speed. Being able to practice doesn't guarantee that so it's a concern. It does give him fresh legs and he's a fast LB.
If we have an injury at LB, even for a series or two, I suspect we'd see Gauthier in before Ayers. He'd go in at MLB and then we'd see a domino effect depending on who was injured. That's the reality of choices we'd have. If Wilson isn't on the roster and Cole gets injured Ayers might move to WIL as the in game LB. If Jones is injured then it's more likely Gauthier at MLB.
If you're ok with that then fine. I hope we don't have an injury and that is the best option. Best laid plans of mice and men.
We can continue this after we see what our AR looks like and what happens in the game. If we win, none of this discussion will matter. Gauthier and Cadwallader could end up getting reps. Winning is all that matters.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 03:25:34 PMThe point is that he doesn't have to be the starter. He would improve the depth for rotation and injury insurance. The player that would come off would be Ayers.
Predicting whether we have an injury at LB during the WDF is impossible. Ayers is very good on ST's so that's a trade off that would have to be made if Wilson is added to the AR.
It's a very valid point that Wilson has not played for several months. It's also true that during our winning streak we won 4 games by a combined 11 points so we weren't exactly as dominating as previous seasons.
I like Cole and think he could be the WIL in 2025. That doesn't change my view that I'd bump Ayers to add Wilson as the rotation LB. All of this is contingent on Wilson up to game speed. Being able to practice doesn't guarantee that so it's a concern. It does give him fresh legs and he's a fast LB.
I am pretty adamant we don't take off Ayers.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 06, 2024, 03:27:25 PMI am pretty adamant we don't take off Ayers.
That's an interesting position to take for a back up. It may not happen but if we have an injury you may regret that position. Ayers is another player that I think will become better in 2025 with a more significant role but 2025 is not the WDF in 2024.
Noting I'm not adamant that Wilson make the roster. I just think it would be wise depending on how he looks in practice this week. Depth can never be over looked and I stated why I might have a concern.
Another interesting conversation was about whether Alexander or Taylor get activated.
We didn't get an accurate explanation of his injury aside from hand injury. Could be finger, wrist or forearm? That could limit his ability to tackle, hit or knockdown passes. OTOH, Taylor hasn't played in a year and I still don't remember him playing safety. I think he could and if IIRC both have been taking reps with 1st team defence.
In either case either could be activated as a back up rotation player and would not necessarily have to start. Bridges would come off I think.
That said, IMO if either gets activated he will be starting.
Some feedback from anyone at practice might be useful.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 04:14:12 PMAnother interesting conversation was about whether Alexander or Taylor get activated.
We didn't get an accurate explanation of his injury aside from hand injury. Could be finger, wrist or forearm? That could limit his ability to tackle, hit or knockdown passes. OTOH, Taylor hasn't played in a year and I still don't remember him playing safety. I think he could and if IIRC both have been taking reps with 1st team defence.
In either case either could be activated as a back up rotation player and would not necessarily have to start. Bridges would come off I think.
That said, IMO if either gets activated he will be starting.
Some feedback from anyone at practice might be useful.
All practices from this point on are closed.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 04:34:09 PMAll practices from this point on are closed.
Today doesn't show as closed but Friday walk through does?
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 05:08:08 PMToday doesn't show as closed but Friday walk through does?
Yes. That's what it says. I would assume they've structured it this way to reveal as little information as possible to the outside world.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 03:50:16 PMThat's an interesting position to take for a back up. It may not happen but if we have an injury you may regret that position. Ayers is another player that I think will become better in 2025 with a more significant role but 2025 is not the WDF in 2024.
Noting I'm not adamant that Wilson make the roster. I just think it would be wise depending on how he looks in practice this week. Depth can never be over looked and I stated why I might have a concern.
I don't and won't regret it. Give me Ayers over Wilson straight up. Go with the guys that got you there. Ayers has been slugging it out all season for us. He's a monster on the teams. He's young, athletic and a foot taller and a bit heavier than Wilson not to mention he'll probably finish the game and who knows if Wilson will finish warmups. Nothing against Wilson but he hasn't been around since July. Don't like it. Odds are Cole is going to do all the heavy lifting anyway.
Quote from: Mick on November 05, 2024, 09:03:41 PMI saw Reid, and Shafer-Baker get injured. But Not Reavis, Ford, or Cox interesting. Either just resting them, or something significant.
Reavis is a big one, he's been a big part of their D.
Report that Shaffer-Baker, Reavis and Cox back practicing today.
Quote from: jayrock on November 06, 2024, 05:47:25 PMReport that Shaffer-Baker, Reavis and Cox back practicing today.
Not surprised. I'm sure they'll all play which is fine by me. Bighill played on one leg in last year's playoffs. We'll see how healthy everyone is in the fourth quarter.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 06, 2024, 05:49:29 PMBighill played on one leg in last year's playoffs.
Do you think, last year, in their post season analysis, the Bombers coaches viewed that as a mistake?
Or will they do it again?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 06, 2024, 05:44:17 PMI don't and won't regret it. Give me Ayers over Wilson straight up. Go with the guys that got you there. Ayers has been slugging it out all season for us. He's a monster on the teams. He's young, athletic and a foot taller and a bit heavier than Wilson not to mention he'll probably finish the game and who knows if Wilson will finish warmups. Nothing against Wilson but he hasn't been around since July. Don't like it. Odds are Cole is going to do all the heavy lifting anyway.
Ayers probably doesn't see many if any reps on defence unless there is an injury. He is good on ST's but if our offence is clicking we won't see many punts. So he'll see the field less.
You're a little bitter about Wilson being injured all the time. It's football and that happens.
I have no idea whether Wilson will see the field again in 2024. That said we'll agree to disagree on whether he should if he's healthy or whether we will need him in the role I suggested ( rotation / back up ).
Bombers are going to need fresh legs to rotate on defence.
Quote from: markf on November 06, 2024, 06:15:47 PMDo you think, last year, in their post season analysis, the Bombers coaches viewed that as a mistake?
Or will they do it again?
Let's hope not. It was a mistake. Same with Schoen.
While I'm here, count me in as an Ayers fan. Love Wilson but yeah, he can't stay healthy and I still have PTSD from last year. Ayers has really impressed me and I want him available as either a starter or situation guy.
Quote from: blue_or_die on November 06, 2024, 06:42:20 PMLet's hope not. It was a mistake. Same with Schoen.
While I'm here, count me in as an Ayers fan. Love Wilson but yeah, he can't stay healthy and I still have PTSD from last year. Ayers has really impressed me and I want him available as either a starter or situation guy.
I'm an Ayers fan but not for the WDF if we have a legit choice.
On another topic, the headline of this matchup is how SSK limited Brady and the run in our last two meetings. But the media is failing to mention we were without a very important component. Stanley Bryant.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 06:41:29 PMAyers probably doesn't see many if any reps on defence unless there is an injury. He is good on ST's but if our offence is clicking we won't see many punts. So he'll see the field less.
You're a little bitter about Wilson being injured all the time. It's football and that happens.
I have no idea whether Wilson will see the field again in 2024. That said we'll agree to disagree on whether he should if he's healthy or whether we will need him in the role I suggested ( rotation / back up ).
Bombers are going to need fresh legs to rotate on defence.
If they put Wilson on for Ayers I'll understand it. It's not that I don't get your logic I just don't value Wilson in the same you obviously do. I think we've been plenty loyal to our veterans (Bighill limping around last year is still in my mind) and don't want to repeat that. I also think it's extremely hopeful to assume that Wilson can go in and play a really good west final after months in the tub. It's not like he's been a perennial all star. Solid player. Gets hurt way to much. Hasn't been around. We've got guys who have.
Quote from: TBURGESS on November 06, 2024, 02:41:00 PMWe're better without Bighill & Wilson. I'd go as far as to say we'd have lost more games if they played the whole season.
Heavily disagree
When healthy they are excellent
SASKATCHEWAN ROUGHRIDERS PRACTICE DAY
Player Name POSITION Injury TUE WED THU Game Status
Shawn Bane Jr. WR Knee DNP DNP
Bryan Cox DL Knee DNP Full
Jaxon Ford DB Knee DNP DNP
Frankie Hickson RB Head Limited Limited
Colton Hunchak WR Healthy Scratch Full Full
Lake Korte-Moore DL Knee DNP Limited
Anthony Lanier II DL Healthy Scratch Full Full
Dohnte Meyers WR Shoulder DNP DNP
Aubrey Miller Jr LB Back DNP DNP
Kosi Onyeka DB Healthy Scrach Full Full
C.J. Reavis DB Knee DNP Full
Trevor Reid OL Knee DNP DNP
Joe Robustelli WR Shoulder DNP DNP
Ryan Sceviour OL Elbow Full Full
Kian Schaffer-Baker WR Neck DNP Full
Melique Straker LB Hip Full Full
Deontai Williams DB Healthy Scratch Full Full
Noah Zerr OL Healthy Scratch Full Full
I bet Wilson will play but will he start? I don't mind heavy rotation
Quote from: Blueforlife on November 06, 2024, 08:00:32 PMHeavily disagree
When healthy they are excellent
SASKATCHEWAN ROUGHRIDERS PRACTICE DAY
Player Name POSITION Injury TUE WED THU Game Status
Shawn Bane Jr. WR Knee DNP DNP
Bryan Cox DL Knee DNP Full
Jaxon Ford DB Knee DNP DNP
Frankie Hickson RB Head Limited Limited
Colton Hunchak WR Healthy Scratch Full Full
Lake Korte-Moore DL Knee DNP Limited
Anthony Lanier II DL Healthy Scratch Full Full
Dohnte Meyers WR Shoulder DNP DNP
Aubrey Miller Jr LB Back DNP DNP
Kosi Onyeka DB Healthy Scrach Full Full
C.J. Reavis DB Knee DNP Full
Trevor Reid OL Knee DNP DNP
Joe Robustelli WR Shoulder DNP DNP
Ryan Sceviour OL Elbow Full Full
Kian Schaffer-Baker WR Neck DNP Full
Melique Straker LB Hip Full Full
Deontai Williams DB Healthy Scratch Full Full
Noah Zerr OL Healthy Scratch Full Full
I bet Wilson will play but will he start? I don't mind heavy rotation
I think it's a toss up whether Wilson gets added to the AR. If he is I think he's more the rotation and in game injury depth. 161 DT's in 51 games and 65 DT's in the last 2 seasons ( 18 games total ) as a Bomber.
But, he could just as easily start with Cole as the rotation LB. Cole is very versatile. He can be used as a DB as well. So that would allow Alexander or Taylor to return in lieu of Bridges while still having depth at DB.
Lots of choices but how they structure the depth chart for the WDF we won't know until Friday.
That's better than a bunch of walking wounded and starters hobbling.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 09:25:31 PMI think it's a toss up whether Wilson gets added to the AR. If he is I think he's more the rotation and in game injury depth. 161 DT's in 51 games and 65 DT's in the last 2 seasons ( 18 games total ) as a Bomber.
But, he could just as easily start with Cole as the rotation LB. Cole is very versatile. He can be used as a DB as well. So that would allow Alexander or Taylor to return in lieu of Bridges while still having depth at DB.
Lots of choices but how they structure the depth chart for the WDF we won't know until Friday.
That's better than a bunch of walking wounded and starters hobbling.
How well does Wilson cover?
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 06:44:31 PMI'm an Ayers fan but not for the WDF if we have a legit choice.
I think the sticking point is, we don't believe there is a legit choice.
We've seen this team put injured players in to their detriment multiple times. I don't believe that a player who has been injured for weeks and is suddenly made available for our play-off game is healthy.
Quote from: Jesse on November 07, 2024, 10:39:59 AMI think the sticking point is, we don't believe there is a legit choice.
We've seen this team put injured players in to their detriment multiple times. I don't believe that a player who has been injured for weeks and is suddenly made available for our play-off game is healthy.
We're talking about a back up LB being replaced with our former starter in rotation. I agree he shouldn't be added if he's not healthy but this is a low risk / high reward change if he is good to go.
Last year we played a bunch of players that didn't practice for an extended time and were hobbling. We also didn't have any potential healthy replacements to put in from the PR or IR. I wouldn't think this is a similar situation.
Let's see what the depth chart looks like on Friday.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 07, 2024, 01:12:44 PMWe're talking about a back up LB being replaced with our former starter in rotation. I agree he shouldn't be added if he's not healthy but this is a low risk / high reward change if he is good to go.
Last year we played a bunch of players that didn't practice for an extended time and were hobbling. We also didn't have any potential healthy replacements to put in from the PR or IR. I wouldn't think this is a similar situation.
Let's see what the depth chart looks like on Friday.
But you have to take out one of our best special teams players to do it. We will see. Maybe they'll keep both on and take Fox out or something. He missed most of last week's game anyway and when you're rushing three you don't need as many bodies.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 07, 2024, 01:21:06 PMBut you have to take out one of our best special teams players to do it. We will see. Maybe they'll keep both on and take Fox out or something. He missed most of last week's game anyway and when you're rushing three you don't need as many bodies.
I'd value any " starter " quality player as a higher priority whether he starts or is used in rotation. Kyrie was not some average player. He was an excellent player when healthy. I'd go as far as saying he was a dominant player.
Whether he's actually healthy I don't know. As you mentioned removing Ayers is not the only choice but the one I'd most likely expect due to him seeing the least activity on defence.
It's true that a bad game on ST's could cost us the game. OTOH, the probability is a bad game on defence would be more likely to cost us the game.
We do have some other very good ST players in Griffin, Cadwallader, Gauthier, Hallett and Jones etc.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 07, 2024, 01:44:57 PMI'd value any " starter " quality player as a higher priority whether he starts or is used in rotation. Kyrie was not some average player. He was an excellent player when healthy. I'd go as far as saying he was a dominant player.
Whether he's actually healthy I don't know. As you mentioned removing Ayers is not the only choice but the one I'd most likely expect due to him seeing the least activity on defence.
It's true that a bad game on ST's could cost us the game. OTOH, the probability is a bad game on defence would be more likely to cost us the game.
We do have some other very good ST players in Griffin, Cadwallader, Gauthier, Hallett and Jones etc.
Right. But your assumption is that Wilson will play at the very high level required to be successful in the West Final after not taking a single snap since July. The crux of the matter is I don't think he can or at the very least, it's not likely. I'll take a fully up to speed and in shape Ayers over Wilson on Saturday. If Wilson had played a few games toward the end of the season (which was obviously the plan before he got hurt in warm-ups in Edmonton) different story. But he didn't. I see your argument and understand it, but I am ready to embrace the youth movement where it makes sense and I think it makes sense here.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 07, 2024, 03:34:04 PMRight. But your assumption is that Wilson will play at the very high level required to be successful in the West Final after not taking a single snap since July. The crux of the matter is I don't think he can or at the very least, it's not likely. I'll take a fully up to speed and in shape Ayers over Wilson on Saturday. If Wilson had played a few games toward the end of the season (which was obviously the plan before he got hurt in warm-ups in Edmonton) different story. But he didn't. I see your argument and understand it, but I am ready to embrace the youth movement where it makes sense and I think it makes sense here.
I'm not sure how many reps Ayers has actually had on defence. I would have preferred to see Wilson back sooner but that didn't happen. Bringing back a player for the WDF that hasn't played is an issue.
It's all risk analysis on whether we need to rotate more often on defence or have an injury. I'd like to think our offence controls the TOP and field position. Obviously not having any injuries is a goal that can't be controlled.
I would remind you that Ayers was moved to 1 game IR for 2 weeks on Oct 10 and missed part of the previous game due to getting nicked. So he may not be as 100% as you suggest. OTOH, Wilson has been recovering for about 8 weeks since his injury.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 07, 2024, 01:44:57 PMI'd value any " starter " quality player as a higher priority whether he starts or is used in rotation. Kyrie was not some average player. He was an excellent player when healthy. I'd go as far as saying he was a dominant player.
Whether he's actually healthy I don't know. As you mentioned removing Ayers is not the only choice but the one I'd most likely expect due to him seeing the least activity on defence.
It's true that a bad game on ST's could cost us the game. OTOH, the probability is a bad game on defence would be more likely to cost us the game.
We do have some other very good ST players in Griffin, Cadwallader, Gauthier, Hallett and Jones etc.
One minor quibble, Ayers spent more time playing WIL this season than Cole did and may be the future starter in that position. I'll trust whatever the coaching staff decides to do with this position, all 3 are good.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 07, 2024, 04:24:41 PMOne minor quibble, Ayers spent more time playing WIL this season than Cole did and may be the future starter in that position. I'll trust whatever the coaching staff decides to do with this position, all 3 are good.
As long as we're quibbling, Ayers was the WIL when Cole was injured and not on the AR. When Cole returned, he took over at WIL.
To some degree Ayers became a starter when we lost both Bighill and Cole to injury. Jones had been the WIL but moved over to MLB.
So he was the 3rd choice and became the WIL by default. We didn't have other choices missing 2 LB's at the same time. Unless we wanted Gauthier at MLB and Jones staying at WIL.
It's all about context. Ayers could be the WIL going into 2025 if Jones takes over at MLB.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 07, 2024, 05:15:15 PMAs long as we're quibbling, Ayers was the WIL when Cole was injured and not on the AR. When Cole returned, he took over at WIL.
To some degree Ayers became a starter when we lost both Bighill and Cole to injury. Jones had been the WIL but moved over to MLB.
So he was the 3rd choice and became the WIL by default. We didn't have other choices missing 2 LB's at the same time. Unless we wanted Gauthier at MLB and Jones staying at WIL.
It's all about context. Ayers could be the WIL going into 2025 if Jones takes over at MLB.
Straight up Jones has taken the MLB job, Biggie can no longer play to the level Jones is currently playing at. I seriously hope they make this clear to Bighill in the off-season and come to an agreement that saves him the indignity of being cut.
No one on an MOS team loses his place due to injury. When they get healthy, they return to the lineup. If they don't perform, then they can get replaced. Its just the MOS way.
That said, the decision as to whether a player is "healthy" becomes a debate. Is Bighill last year at 80% "healthy"? Should he have been on the field?
The other question is, "Is Wilson coming off an extended time off the field, even if 100%, "healthy"?" Do you start a guy who left the field with an injury months ago over someone who has replaced him effectively and is in sync with the current lineup?
Regular season, you probably bring him back in, but platoon him, integrating slowly. No time or roster space to platoon with a max of 2 games left.
I love what Wilson brings, but only JY can decide if he is an asset or liability in this moment.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 07, 2024, 04:24:41 PMOne minor quibble, Ayers spent more time playing WIL this season than Cole did and may be the future starter in that position. I'll trust whatever the coaching staff decides to do with this position, all 3 are good.
Just checked the depth charts and I see Ayers listed as the starter for 3 or 4 games. Jones listed as the starter for 7 or 8. Ayers may have played less as the starter than you recall? Hard to be sure without a rep counter.
EDIT: Corrected Cole for Jones starting after Wilson. Unintended mistake with discussions about 4 different LB's. However doesn't change the fact that Cole was the current WIL on the depth chart the last two games or that Ayers didn't finish the last game he started. Might even suggest the Ayers is still somewhat not 100% as to why Cole was the most recent WIL.
If we're going to talk about whether Wilson is healthy, then speak to that as well. He also had no DT's in his last two games.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 07, 2024, 07:58:02 PMJust checked the depth charts and I see Ayers listed as the starter for 3 or 4 games. Cole listed as the starter for 7 or 8. Ayers may have played less as the starter than you recall? Hard to be sure without a rep counter.
No way Cole started at WIL 7-8 games, before he was injured he was backing up Kramdi at SAM and wasn't getting that many reps. Kyrie played WIL for the first 5-6 games, Jones took over when he was injured, played there till Bighill was injured in the LDC then moved over to MLB. Ayers stepped into WIL and played 3 games till he missed a week with injury, so the last 2 games of the season are the only games Cole has started at WIL.
Can't trust the depth chart anyways. They don't tell us what was done in the game.
Quote from: Blueforlife on November 07, 2024, 05:34:41 AMHow well does Wilson cover?
If 100%, Wilson is as fast as a fast QB or RB. He'll track you down and nail you. In terms of deeper pass coverage: pretty useless and a bad matchup, just like most/all WILLs. At most you have him in a mid-range zone as an extra guy they aren't expecting.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 07, 2024, 05:53:35 PMNo one on an MOS team loses his place due to injury. When they get healthy, they return to the lineup.
Two words: Matt Nichols.
As well as Maston, maybe Ian Wild, ... I'm sure I could come up with many more who were IR to end a season and never offered another contract.
We may do it less than other GMs, but we still do it. Nasty business.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 08, 2024, 05:57:53 AMIf 100%, Wilson is as fast as a fast QB or RB. He'll track you down and nail you. In terms of deeper pass coverage: pretty useless and a bad matchup, just like most/all WILLs. At most you have him in a mid-range zone as an extra guy they aren't expecting.
Anyone remember the 2021 Grey Cup? Wilson made the play that clinches the Grey Cup. Big time players make big time plays.
Quote from: bwiser on November 08, 2024, 02:52:36 PMAnyone remember the 2021 Grey Cup? Wilson made the play that clinches the Grey Cup. Big time players make big time plays.
Kyrie can still play, question is how many games will it take him to get up to speed? With Oullette and Armstead running the ball he's going to have to stick his nose in on the first play of the game. Tough game to come back for him and BA, but they need that physical presence behind the D-line.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 08, 2024, 03:29:03 PMKyrie can still play, question is how many games will it take him to get up to speed? With Oullette and Armstead running the ball he's going to have to stick his nose in on the first play of the game. Tough game to come back for him and BA, but they need that physical presence behind the D-line.
Very true but as I suggested earlier he doesn't have to start necessarily. He'd be the rotation and depth guy for an in game injury.
They have him listed as the starter but also as a GTD. That's a bit of a contradiction. Cole started at WIL the last 2 games and I suggested that it would be Ayers that would be taken off the AR.
Posters made a good point about how good Ayers is on ST's but is it better than taking Cole off instead? Cole was playing well. We choose to add Taylor and Alexander instead of keeping the extra LB.
Obviously another move can be made at game time so it could be any combination of 2 out of those 3 LB's?
You'd think the depth chart is what they expect to happen.
All the players that came off were moved to 1 game IR as well as Case moved from PR to 1 game IR. That suggests they want him around for TC in 2025. IIRC, all these IR players are exempt from the SMS ( post season ), but will get playoff money.
Sucks to be left on the PR for the others.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 08, 2024, 05:59:56 AMTwo words: Matt Nichols.
As well as Maston, maybe Ian Wild, ... I'm sure I could come up with many more who were IR to end a season and never offered another contract.
We may do it less than other GMs, but we still do it. Nasty business.
Nichols shoulder injury ended his career. The Bombers knew he was done. He ended up playing in 5 games after leaving the Bombers. 63/96, 544 yards, 0 TDs, 3 Ints, 5.7 avg. He was done.
MM played 6 games for the Bomber. He was also injured, and never played another game in the CFL.
Matson was a shame he got hurt. He played really well in the Bombers 2019 Grey Cup run but a torn achilles in training camp pretty much ended his career.
Quote from: bwiser on November 08, 2024, 02:52:36 PMAnyone remember the 2021 Grey Cup? Wilson made the play that clinches the Grey Cup. Big time players make big time plays.
Deatrick was the one who pushed it to overtime with an amazing pass knockdown if I recall correctly. That was the ball game right then and there