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Big-bodied Canadian receiver Jevon Cottoy returns for B.C. Lions in West Semi-Final
By 3Down Staff -November 1, 2024
The B.C. Lions are getting healthy at the right time, as massive Canadian receiver Jevon Cottoy will make his return for the Western Semi-Final.
The six-foot-five, 230-pound target hasn't played since Week 17 due to an ankle injury. In the 11 games he has played this season, Cottoy has put up 34 receptions for 401 yards. That is the lowest total of his career since his rookie season in 2019 and represents less than half of his 2023 production, but his absence has been felt as a blocker.
To make room for Cottoy, rookie Canadian Kieran Poissant has been placed on the practice roster. The 23-year-old has caught seven passes for 58 yards in 11 games this year.
On defence, Canadian safety Adrian Greene will return from a knee injury. The third-year pro has 26 defensive tackles, five special teams tackles, two interceptions, and a forced fumble this season, but will remain relegated behind rookie starter Cristophe Beaulieu. Backup Charlie Ringland has been returned to the practice roster as a result.
American linebacker Ace Eley, the team's nominee for Most Outstanding Rookie, is listed as a game-time decision after struggling with a back injury this week. The Georgia Tech product has recorded 60 defensive tackles, six special teams tackles, and a forced fumble in his first season. He is backed up by Canadian Ryder Varga, who sees substantial reps on defence in certain packages.
The B.C. Lions (9-9) will visit the Saskatchewan Roughriders (9-8-1) for the Western Semi-Final on Saturday, November 2. Kickoff is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. EDT at Mosaic Stadium.
https://3downnation.com/2024/11/01/big-bodied-canadian-receiver-jevon-cottoy-returns-for-b-c-lions-in-west-semi-final/
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Riders dress two American running backs, Ryquell Armstead joins A.J. Ouellette for West Semi-Final vs. B.C. Lions
Double back: Riders to dress both RB A.J. Ouellette, Ryquell Armstead for West Semi-Final
By 3Down Staff -November 1, 2024
The Saskatchewan Roughriders will be fielding a two-headed backfield in the Western Semi-Final.
After much debate over who would get the nod, the Riders have elected to dress both running back A.J. Ouellette and mid-season acquisition Ryquell Armstead. Fellow running back Frankie Hickson (head) will sit out this week.
Ouellette, the team's prized free agent signing this offseason, has battled injuries this year, appearing in just eight games. He has notched 130 carries for 550 yards and three touchdowns while catching 16 passes for 147 yards.
Armstead was brought in to help fill the void in September, rushing for 207 yards in his Riders debut before being sidelined with a shoulder injury the next week. In 13 games split between Saskatchewan and Ottawa, he has carried 160 times for 862 yards and three scores while adding 38 receptions for 298 yards through the air.
Ouellette was amongst a group of Riders who were late scratches from last week's regular-season finale, all of whom will return well-rested for the playoffs. That list includes Most Outstanding Defensive Player finalist Rolan Milligan Jr. at halfback, Canadian receiver Samuel Emilus, and his rookie American counterpart KeeSean Johnson. Curiously, high-profile defensive lineman Anthony Lanier II will remain a healthy scratch after a disappointing 2024 campaign.
Returning from a three-game absence with a knee injury is Canadian linebacker Adam Auclair, who will slot back into the weakside spot over rookie C.J. Avery. Canadian offensive lineman Peter Godber will also make his much-anticipated return from an ankle injury but will dress as a sixth blocker so as not to upset the unit's current chemistry.
American receiver Joe Robustelli (shoulder) will join Hickson on the one-game injured list. Defensive backs Deontai Williams and Kosi Onyeka, linebacker Aubrey Miller Jr., offensive lineman Noah Zerr, and receiver Colton Hunchak will all be healthy scratches.
The Saskatchewan Roughriders (9-8-1) will host the B.C. Lions (9-9) for the Western Semi-Final on Saturday, November 1. Kickoff is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. EDT at Mosaic Stadium.
https://3downnation.com/2024/11/01/double-back-riders-to-dress-both-rb-a-j-ouellette-ryquell-armstead-for-west-semi-final/
Quote from: gobombersgo on November 01, 2024, 03:30:05 PMJustin Dunk @JDunk12
Riders dress two American running backs, Ryquell Armstead joins A.J. Ouellette for West Semi-Final vs. B.C. Lions
Interesting - the Riders must be wanting to run the ball a lot against the BC defense - probably a good idea as I am not sure how strong against the run the BC DL and LB's are.
Armstead is a game breaker, glad the Riders have him in their lineup. Ouellette isn't going to get it done vs the Lions, Armstead is.
That Riders DC is awful thin at starting Nat...
Quote from: BBRT on November 01, 2024, 04:04:51 PMInteresting - the Riders must be wanting to run the ball a lot against the BC defense - probably a good idea as I am not sure how strong against the run the BC DL and LB's are.
BC is middle of the pack in rushing yards allowed. And the Riders are towards the bottom of the league in rushing yards. A curious decision.
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"However, Adams has plenty of reasons for confidence after being stuck on the bench for that game. He has gone over 450 yards through the air in each of his last three starts against the Riders, including a victory in Week 6, combining for 1,364 yards and seven total touchdowns compared to just three interceptions."
I think Justin Macinnes will have a big game. let go by Riders, might be a shoulder chip type.
Adams is hot and cold and not a cold weather QB. Weather, wind or rain are not situations which he would thrive in IMO. I haven't heard what the weather is like in Regina today?
All things considered, I think the Riders win.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 02, 2024, 02:48:58 PMAdams is hot and cold and not a cold weather QB. Weather, wind or rain are not situations which he would thrive in IMO. I haven't heard what the weather is like in Regina today?
All things considered, I think the Riders win.
Partly sun and cloud. Temperature around +8 or +9 degrees. Wind SE at 24 kms per hour, gusts to 36 kms per hour.
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 02, 2024, 03:23:26 PMPartly sun and cloud. Temperature around +8 or +9 degrees. Wind SE at 24 kms per hour, gusts to 36 kms per hour.
Most of the folks over on the Riders site allready are planning to head to Winnipeg for the Western Final! I kind of think they might be putting the cart before the ox so to speak - I think the Riders should win but the football gods are a strange lot!
We'll see if the Rider defence can stop VA from getting on a roll. Limit their success on the deep shots. If they don't, BC takes it. Harris is competent and experienced, he will give them solid qbing. The crowd will really have to do their part to help. I sense their fans being a little flat for some reason. What happened last week in The Big Gust game was a real bummer for them I think, and why wouldn't it be. Maybe some of that rubs off on the team. We'll see. I see a real tight cfl playoff game here.
Did they sellout Mosaic?
BC has NO REAL RUNNING GAME and if Adams can't hit the deep ball, they are toast I think. They don't run a ball control offence at all. Maybe if he runs wild with solid passes on the rollout they will do well. If I'm the CRYDERS, just pin your ears back and go after their QB or at least keep him in the pocket. If Adams craps the bed in the first half, Rourke may get a chance to redeem himself for this season.
good old Bell/ctv/tsn
do not have cable, nor rabbit ears, ( dont work )
I pay 20 a month, for tsn
not on there.
😂
morons.
attention, attention:
i hate the riders
Upper decks look nearly completely empty.
Quote from: markf on November 02, 2024, 09:36:42 PMgood old Bell/ctv/tsn
do not have cable, nor rabbit ears, ( dont work )
I pay 20 a month, for tsn
not on there.
😂
morons.
TSN1 has the game
TD Lions
TD cottoy
milligan - MOP ?? no thanks
beat the great milligan beat that time
are you kidding me Sean Whyte?? you never miss ?
those missed converts often bite you in the end
Quote from: The Zipp on November 02, 2024, 09:43:49 PMTSN1 has the game
thanks.....yes its on now...on tsn stream....
after constant error messages.
Quote from: Pete on November 02, 2024, 09:44:44 PMbeat the great milligan beat that time
milligan looked slow
whast is with all the empty seats....looks more like a pre season game than a playoff game
There goes the Riders Center.
Both these games today are showcases of bad tackling.
and disorganized secondaries.
BC defence is what we thought it was - soft !!
Harris continues to eat up 3 man pressure.. hope Younger is paying attention
how long till rourke is in?
Betts is a selfish player , wants the sack more than he wants to play his position properly
suitor is 100% correct - this zone defence isn't going to win
can't see them sticking with VA much longer
nope.
couple more drives for nothing and its rourke.
VA is alway more effective when he rolls out or takes off to keep d off balance. When he tries to stay in pocket its a different story
POOCH PUNT
I LOVE IT!!
Campbell is just stupid, so much could have gone wrong on that punt
gotta score here lions
looked like they could have blocked that
VA gets to stay in the game
Touchdown BC
tie game on the road is a "win" for the lions - especially how their defence has played
that pooch punt and field position worked in their favor
Quote from: The Zipp on November 02, 2024, 10:41:17 PMPOOCH PUNT
I LOVE IT!!
Worked great because it was a perfect coffin. Maybe VAJ should be their short punter all the time! ;D ;D ;D
Having an on-side guy get it would have just been gravy. He should have EZ'd it to give them a better chance, but then you don't get the coffin.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 02, 2024, 10:11:59 PMThere goes the Riders Center.
That's gonna hurt them next week if they win. TOR lost a hoggie too. The attrition of having to play the SFs... Glad we won the division!
lol
half time
tsn stream shuts down
amazing.
Does it feel like these teams don't hate each other enough?
Quote from: markf on November 02, 2024, 10:14:36 PMBoth these games today are showcases of bad tackling.
and disorganized secondaries.
Entertaining Football though. you are just mad about your cable situation.
Quote from: Pete on November 02, 2024, 10:50:25 PMDoes it feel like these teams don't hate each other enough?
Yes. Need more hate. LOL!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 02, 2024, 10:50:39 PMEntertaining Football though. you are just mad about your cable situation.
😀
yeah...,pisses me off that I pay them just for cfl, and they screw around with what I can watch.
Momentum has been all Sask since the INT. VA is in a jam. He needs to be aggressive but can't afford to turn over the ball.
On the INT, VA threw that on the run and it lacked accuracy. He actually had an open receiver, he just messed up. He has to be better.
All 4 teams today playing very well. All 4 teams will be tough to beat.
Trevor's "oooh most accurate passer blah blah" shouldn't even count because every pass is around 6-12Y!! Of course he's accurate! They have the most boring O in the whole world. At least Lapo would take the odd 40Y shot when he ran our dink & dunk O. SSK doesn't even bother.
I want to see some more massive hits. More hits!!
If you took the under in the ESF, you were dumb.
If you took the over in the WSF, you are dumb (well... so far!... we shall see!)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 10:49:53 PMThat's gonna hurt them next week if they win. TOR lost a hoggie too. The attrition of having to play the SFs... Glad we won the division!
You are first in the division. Bombers have not won anything yet. Just the right to not play today.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 10:59:35 PMAll 4 teams today playing very well. All 4 teams will be tough to beat.
Trevor's "oooh most accurate passer blah blah" shouldn't even count because every pass is around 6-12Y!! Of course he's accurate! They have the most boring O in the whole world. At least Lapo would take the odd 40Y shot when he ran our dink & dunk O. SSK doesn't even bother.
I believe it's a product of having a good defense combined with a style of offense that protects Trevor Harris. The passes are short, the ball is out before Harris can get hit, and he has two relief valves in the double tailback system as well as extra blocking. It's an approach that can work if your defense is elite and lights-out. We'll have to see if the Sask defense holds up in the second half. If BC can get rolling on offense it'll put massive pressure on the Sask offense to match BC's output.
Nice DPI there. Refs aren't helping BC
He was down 5Y back. Refs really botching things
Quote from: jayrock on November 02, 2024, 11:02:24 PMYou are first in the division. Bombers have not won anything yet. Just the right to not play today.
We know thank you very much. You repeating this does you no favours.
Holy smokes, is that #22 ref in today? The bats hibernating in my rafters have better eyesight.
Refs not calling dead balls. Wake up stripes.
Suitor is insufferable.
Glass Trevor can't take hits like that.
What was the old adage? Once you hit Trevor he folds? ... Folding incoming?
Nice shot on Harris regardless.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 11:00:25 PMI want to see some more massive hits. More hits!!
Request granted.
UR incoming?
Ya, that will be UR
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 11:00:25 PMI want to see some more massive hits. More hits!!
There ya go! LOL!
Baker gets pounded. OUCH!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 11:17:16 PMRequest granted.
UR incoming?
Ya, that will be UR
quoting yourself again? :D
Come on man get with it!
A big hit!!
Quote from: J5V on November 02, 2024, 11:18:04 PMThere ya go! LOL!
Darn straight that one was Brutal with a capital B.
younger better be watching and have a plan to be better against the run
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 02, 2024, 11:18:53 PMquoting yourself again? :D
Ya, when I get what I want, it's worth a self quote. I'll risk it!
Boo on Liver King. No idea why there was no 2nd level in the BC D. They don't think SSK will run? SSK is all run and dink & dunk. Don't follow the RECs deep, they are just decoy clearing routes.
Crap! Swiss cheese BC D. where are the Line Backers?
BC Achilles heel,td sask
Quote from: The Zipp on November 02, 2024, 11:20:48 PMyounger better be watching and have a plan to be better against the run
If we face SSK, we'll be strong against the run and short game. If we play BC, we'll be loose on the run.
I don't recall giving up much run Y in the LDC and BB. I'm not worried. I actually picked SSK to play in the WDF. They are so one-dimensional. BC can always get lucky, and 3rd time is often the charm.
But this game ain't over yet!
Vern with the Rocket!
These guys beating the snot out of each other. Yay! Quick, where's the self-quote button.
That looked like spearing
So SSK comes out ahead there because a 30Y catch turns into a 15Y penalty due to an illegal hit. And they may have taken Hatcher out of the game.
I think the teams heard us! thats two
MASSIVE HIT #2
Wow that one is a penalty as well.
Hey wait a sec, why is jayrock not at Mosaic right now? I know he lives in MB, but if that was my team I'd be there!!
what does it take in the cfl to get ejected?
murder someone on the field?
Unbelievable. Just like OTT. Useless timecounts. Watch the clock!!
Quote from: markf on November 02, 2024, 11:28:18 PMwhat does it take in the cfl to get ejected?
murder someone on the field?
maybe
Friggin no one in that upper deck. Poor attendance.
Looks like BMO in TO
missed PAT looming large
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 11:27:56 PMHey wait a sec, why is jayrock not at Mosaic right now? I know he lives in MB, but if that was my team I'd be there!!
Just had surgery yesterday.....
Ouellette is a perfect Rider. Completely selfish player that thinks the game is all about him. What a headcase. LOL! I swear he'll have a great career in the WWE when he's out of football.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 02, 2024, 11:30:13 PMFriggin no one in that upper deck. Poor attendance.
Looks like BMO in TO
Ya, laughable TOR left the entire upper deck of that one side closed!
That's short baby! Should have gone with the Mullet Sneak again. Patterson has no power.
That should be a stop. The ball did not get there.
bc didnt get any favors on that spot
That official #89 is whacked! He must have added half a yard to the spot of the ball. What is going on out there? No way Patterson got that. Never got the 50 yard line.
great stop!!
Quote from: Pete on November 02, 2024, 11:35:23 PMbc didnt get any favors on that spot
Thankfully they got it right.
Quote from: J5V on November 02, 2024, 11:36:52 PMThat official #89 is whacked! He must have added half a yard to the spot of the ball. What is going on out there? No way Patterson got that. Never got the 50 yard line.
Actual CFL officials @Mosaic tonight:
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Hatcher! You like losing?
Whyte, you like losing?
Hatcher brutal drop. Boooo
hatcher - wow. it's the playoffs
whyte - picks tonight to stink, should be tie game
Sean White you big loser. 4 points on him and him alone.
Not kicking in comfy confines of og BC place. You turd.
BC needs to really open up the book and unleash VAJ. BC needs to play to who they are. 6Y outs are not BC. Chuck it down the field or you're gonna lose!
BC cannot play a shortened ball-control game, that plays into SSK's hand.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 02, 2024, 11:40:24 PMSean White you big loser. 4 points on him and him alone.
Not kicking in comfy confines of og BC place. You turd.
Ya! Turd!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 11:42:21 PMBC needs to really open up the book and unleash VAJ. BC needs to play to who they are.
Oh noes, another self-quote!
Just watch Campbell gamble now rest of the game because Whyte is a turd.
As castillo would say , who said they could use the chipped balls!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on November 02, 2024, 11:44:33 PMJust watch Campbell gamble now rest of the game because Whyte is a turd.
Campbell doesn't need an excuse to be dumb. He's gone all Dickenson.
thats what happens when the coach wants to prove hes the smartest guy in the stadium
bc needed a TD there
Quote from: The Zipp on November 02, 2024, 11:49:17 PMbc needed a TD there
Still, it's basically a tie. I bet SSK fans are sweating bullets right about now.
It's gonna be heart attacks in Green land, just like we were last week. My hunch after watching 3Q is SSK will pull it off: they have a better plan. But VAJ can destroy you very quickly... so it's still a big crap shoot.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 11:50:05 PMStill, it's basically a tie. I bet SSK fans are sweating bullets right about now.
It's gonna be heart attacks in Green land, just like we were last week.
well if the game ended now it's not a tie
do the lions realize its a semi final?
BC secondary sucks A right now.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 02, 2024, 11:51:48 PMwell if the game ended now it's not a tie
Tru dat.
But when it comes time for VAJ to get 3 down ball, he can destroy you.
A 2PAT will make up the difference. BC is actually decent at that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 02, 2024, 11:50:05 PMStill, it's basically a tie. I bet SSK fans are sweating bullets right about now.
It's gonna be heart attacks in Green land, just like we were last week. My hunch after watching 3Q is SSK will pull it off: they have a better plan. But VAJ can destroy you very quickly... so it's still a big crap shoot.
game over...bc aint gonna do anything against the wind
Betts hasn't done anything!
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 02, 2024, 11:52:37 PMdo the lions realize its a semi final?
BC's D has been garbage all year... except that one pick-6 fest game.
Oops, there goes the 2PAT theory for BC... smart move by SSK.
BC officially check out now? They've been on the field 10+ min more I think. Not good for the end of the game.
BC SUX
2 point conversion was the right call
gonna be tough for BC now
Wow, that was too easy.
26,000+ at the game in sask tonite
BC should have watched us destroy the McAdoo dink & dunk in the WDFs in previous years! We showed how you can beat that type of game!
BC has no answer. It's a failure of the braintrust.
On the bright side, as soon as BC loses there will be hundreds of cheaper tickets on the after-markets for the GC! I already have plane tickets... just waiting for a deal on the game tickets.
Hard for me to believe Campbell is a good coach.
Quote from: J5V on November 02, 2024, 11:57:21 PMHard for me to believe Campbell is a good coach.
Nepotism? He may be losing his job soon, though. Hasn't done much since winning the GC for OTT forever ago.
As long as VAJ doesn't go all Dru, he should be able to get back in this.
There's gonna be a ton of running by SSK right about now
If Armstead busts one it's game over. BC needs to contain the run. Don't even bother trying to stop the dink & dunk, bet all the money on the run. They can't stop the dink & dunk anyhow.
so much for cottoy being a factor
and all Hatcher can do is whine
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 03, 2024, 12:00:33 AMso much for cottoy being a factor
Hey, he had a good 1st series! ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Pete on November 03, 2024, 12:01:44 AMand all Hatcher can do is whine
You whine too much and you're wasting all your headspace on the whine instead of the win.
(Not you Pete, I mean Hatcher!)
Trevor got hit, did it aggravate his bunions? Into the bunion tent?
Did VAJ watch the OTT@TOR game? He's playing scared. Not chucking them down like he normally does. I think you need to be fearless here. Deep shot or bust.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:03:02 AMYou whine too much and you're wasting all your headspace on the whine instead of the win.
Yeah but we all know if the roles were reversed and that was a Rider receiver he gets the flag. Hard to win a game in Regina.
Stanback > Ouellette
Quote from: J5V on November 03, 2024, 12:06:57 AMStanback > Ouellette
Ya, but no team support.
Oullette did bust one TD just like that one he got on us in the '22 GC though.
lol...what a dumb play
sean will be the goat of the game
lol...why is he throwing to hatcher
VAJ is a terrible athlete
game
riders suck - next week this time
I'd fire Campbell at the conclusion of this game.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 03, 2024, 12:09:25 AMlol...why is he throwing to hatcher
If he puts the air on that ball he needs to it's a home run. Why did he under-power it??
VAJ can throw it an extra 15Y with a little extra wrist motion. His arm is insane.
only BC would lose a game with a 700K qb not even seeing the field
Well, bad VAJ showed up.
Still only a TD & FG away though. SSK will start turtling, because why not?
Quote from: Pete on November 03, 2024, 12:12:18 AMonly BC would lose a game with a 700K qb not even seeing the field
They should have spent more on marketing! ;)
Quote from: bluengold204 on November 03, 2024, 12:09:30 AMVAJ is a terrible athlete
lol, Wut?
It's his best attribute.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:10:49 AMIf he puts the air on that ball he needs to it's a home run. Why did he under-power it??
VAJ can throw it an extra 15Y with a little extra wrist motion. His arm is insane.
he was going against the wind....a dumb call on the lions part
Campbell heard my advice! I bet SSK runs it here. No sense risking an INT
Doh, so much for that.
Lee's funny head did some weird whiplash thing because of its size. I wonder if those hats risk worse neck injuries.
Haha, SSK needs 13 and all they can dial up is 10 because every play design is 5 to 10Y LOL
VAJ needs to chuck it down there
That fan's gonna bust his green horn doing that. You blow it, not whack it, knob!
doubt if VA will be on the lions team next season
Imagine having all that cash tied up in 2 QBs and not having a winner in either
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 03, 2024, 12:18:12 AMdoubt if VA will be on the lions team next season
I mean, duh.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on November 03, 2024, 12:18:12 AMdoubt if VA will be on the lions team next season
Ya, 2nd bad playoff showing in a row.
I'm not sure Rourke will be any better in '25, but at least you have the hope of him finally finding his mojo and being able to win the playoffs. VAJ is a known quantity, and that quantity is he won't get you to the cup.
More attrition. Anyone know what happened to Cox?
colossal failure for Bc in a home cup year. signing rourke may have pooched this team. we will never know..they suck
BC sucks at the 2 min drill. In fact, BC just sucks.
lol those 2 FG s and VA's play
I'm fine with the VAJ EZ shot. They needed a TD there or they were out of time.
Their 2 noob RECs didn't help them any. Their corps is way worse than ours: our rookies stepped up, and our vets are better.
VAJ to calgary?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:20:09 AMYa, 2nd bad playoff showing in a row.
I'm not sure Rourke will be any better in '25, but at least you have the hope of him finally finding his mojo and being able to win the playoffs. VAJ is a known quantity, and that quantity is he won't get you to the cup.
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ur rite about he wont get u to the cup
Quote from: The Zipp on November 03, 2024, 12:21:01 AMcolossal failure for Bc in a home cup year. signing rourke may have pooched this team. we will never know..they suck
They went all in.
They may have done better in the regular season, but I can't see them winning the Grey Cup with VAJ and this defence.
They took the chance they needed to when everything was on the line and it didn't work out. It also won't work out for 8 other teams. Oh well.
Well, good game SSK, I knew you'd beat BC (see my pickems). And I prefer to face SSK in the WDF.
SSK lost a critical LT who won't be back. Maybe a DL too (we shall see). But they have Lanier in the hopper, so it won't hurt them much.
Harris got hit twice, maybe he'll develop an ingrown toenail.
Now we get the dream match up in WPG in 1 week. Even better, we'll bring a bunch of $$ to the city as some greenies make the treak.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 03, 2024, 12:24:06 AMVAJ to calgary?
Calgary or Edmonton seems most likely.
Sask or Hammy in the running.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:26:00 AMWell, good game SSK, I knew you'd beat BC (see my pickems). And I prefer to face SSK in the WDF.
SSK lost a critical LT who won't be back. Maybe a DL too (we shall see). But they have Lanier in the hopper, so it won't hurt them much.
Harris got hit twice, maybe he'll develop an ingrown toenail.
Now we get the dream match up in WPG in 1 week. Even better, we'll bring a bunch of $$ to the city as some greenies make the treak.
A minuscule amount of money if a few can get tickets.
Quote from: Jesse on November 03, 2024, 12:25:23 AMThey went all in.
That they did! And this shoddy performance cost them going $300k+ over the cap and major off-season punishment from the league.
Their huge acquisitions did nothing (Rourke) and nearly nothing (Betts, 1 sack).
All that for nothing. Let the GC frenzy on stubhub commence!
Quote from: Jesse on November 03, 2024, 12:27:51 AMA minuscule amount of money if a few can get tickets.
Always hard to get everyone to attend a "cold" game. Yes, that means anything under 5C at KO.
WDF resale market for older STH people will be lit. There will be a decent showing of greenies here. Not as many as Blue goes to Regina, but enough.
The 2 H's were a bust for BC the last half of the season. Too much money in those guys, let one walk in FA. P.S. I don't want either.
Is that the first playoff win at new Mosaic for SSK? Before that it was always us, right?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:30:13 AMAlways hard to get everyone to attend a "cold" game. Yes, that means anything under 5C at KO.
WDF resale market for older STH people will be lit. There will be a decent showing of greenies here. Not as many as Blue goes to Regina, but enough.
Sure, but what do I care about the resale market?
Quote from: Jesse on November 03, 2024, 12:38:17 AMSure, but what do I care about the resale market?
It means there are tickets for greenies to snatch up this week even if WPG shows up and sells out.
Quote from: The Zipp on November 03, 2024, 12:24:06 AMVAJ to calgary?
I dunno. He's obviously better than Maier, but he's been an early impressor/long run loser wherever he's been.
Stubhub GC ticket listing count is going up by around 1-2 every minute since the BC loss.
Should be a complete fire sale by this time tomorrow.
Worst case scenario for Doman. Best case scenario for us WPGers who want to go!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:34:07 AMIs that the first playoff win at new Mosaic for SSK? Before that it was always us, right?
Calgary in '21 I think.
Quote from: bomb squad on November 03, 2024, 01:02:39 AMCalgary in '21 I think.
Ah, you are correct sir! Good memory.
OK, so finally SSK
ties the WPG number of wins at New Mosiac? :D :D :D
Stubhub going mental. Listings went from 3247 at the end of the game to 3413 as of exactly 2 hours later. Prices finally coming down a bit. BC fans who were only in it for their team are going to try to maximize what they can get. As usual, the guys who sell quickly by reducing the price will win out.
This will be a bloodbath of a buyer's market come game day. That means the BC fans really thought they had a chance of being in it!
There will be some pickup the moment the SSK@WPG game is done in a week, but not enough to overcome the flood of sales, IMHO.
On the bright side for Vancouver, there will likely be no post-game riot because their team will not be in it. :P :P :P 8)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:31:41 AMThe 2 H's were a bust for BC the last half of the season. Too much money in those guys, let one walk in FA. P.S. I don't want either.
Sorry, but what are "H's"?
Quote from: J5V on November 03, 2024, 06:54:20 AMSorry, but what are "H's"?
The Two H's (TM) are Hatcher and Hollins
28-19. Congrats to the Riders, see you in Winnipeg.
Amar Doman has to be disappointed and can't be happy that his team won't be playing in the Grey Cup that he is hosting. He over-spent on his team, brought in Rourke and Betts and has probably gone over the cap to do it. If I was a fan of the BC Lions I'd be very grateful for an owner willing to do that. I'm sure he'll be wanting changes. So what will those changes be? I'm thinking of three people.
Rick Campbell - Didn't push the right buttons and may take a lot of heat for his handling of the QBs.
Nathan Rourke - Didn't play very well and didn't become Moses leading his people to the promised land.
Vernon Adams - Also couldn't lead his people to the promised land.
If Mr. Doman gets rid of Rick Campbell who is available to replace him? Still I can see Campbell falling on his sword for the failure that was the 2024 season.
Nathan Rourke - Everyone is saying VA is going to walk and Nathan Rourke is going to be the guy. Really?
Vernon Adams - He may not be a consummate pro but he is likely good enough to win the Grey Cup with if you surround him with enough talent.
Quote from: J5V on November 03, 2024, 07:17:25 AMRick Campbell - Didn't push the right buttons and may take a lot of heat for his handling of the QBs.
Killam? My guess is Campbell gets another year to go and lose another WSF or WDF. Getting your team to the WSF or WDF is usually good enough to keep your job.
Campbell sucked way harder in OTT before losing the job there IIRC... and he brought them a cup during that time!! Turns out he wasn't the problem (remember Lapo's short stint there?).
I would trade VAJ, roll with Rourke, rejig the REC corps, rejig the OL and figure out how to get a real running game (new OC?). I would consider 2025 a "rebuild year" and state as much. I think Rourke needs 1/2 a season or more before he'll be better than VAJ.
I'm just itching to find out what the cap overage is... got a lot of forum cred riding on that result!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 07:23:16 AMKillam? My guess is Campbell gets another year to go and lose another WSF or WDF. Getting your team to the WSF or WDF is usually good enough to keep your job.
Campbell sucked way harder in OTT before losing the job there IIRC... and he brought them a cup during that time!! Turns out he wasn't the problem (remember Lapo's short stint there?).
I would trade VAJ, roll with Rourke, rejig the REC corps, rejig the OL and figure out how to get a real running game (new OC?). I would consider 2025 a "rebuild year" and state as much. I think Rourke needs 1/2 a season or more before he'll be better than VAJ.
I'm just itching to find out what the cap overage is... got a lot of forum cred riding on that result!
I don't know how much cred you still have. Always one to come up with some sort of conspiracy theory or out in left field idea. I guess it makes the forum " active ".
Lapo is available as a HC candidate if BC decides to go another way.
Campbell has 2 years left on his deal so that's an issue in the salary cap issue with coaches / staff. A comment on Lionbackers suggested demoting him but that's constructive dismissal so that's not an option.
Campbell stays.
Rourke takes a pay cut to stay in BC.
VAJ to Calgary making them instantly dangerous again.
BC makes minor changes and stays in the top 3 in the west.
If I'm Edmonton, I'm all in on VAJ as well, as whoever gets him becomes instantly better.
BC will suck next year with Rourke and that's awesome. Nothing will be better than watching that arrogant primadona stink the joint out.
Keeping Campbell around is a mistake. He has proven to make very strange and questionable in game decisions and he is not great at getting players to play hard for him. If I am the owner I move on.
Quote from: TBURGESS on November 03, 2024, 02:39:55 PMCampbell stays.
Rourke takes a pay cut to stay in BC.
VAJ to Calgary making them instantly dangerous again.
BC makes minor changes and stays in the top 3 in the west.
I think getting Rourke to take a significant pay cut is a smart move. However, he's under no obligation to accept. What that might mean in the longer term is all a TBD. I can't see any team trading for that contract and giving up players or draft choices as well. Sticky situation as well.
His deal and increases to other Lions about to become free agents is going to be an SMS cap nightmare. Their potential free agent list will be interesting. Even some not approaching free agency will not be with the team in 2025 IMO.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 03, 2024, 03:29:35 PMI think getting Rourke to take a significant pay cut is a smart move. However, he's under no obligation to accept. What that might mean in the longer term is all a TBD. I can't see any team trading for that contract and giving up players or draft choices as well. Sticky situation as well.
His deal and increases to other Lions about to become free agents is going to be an SMS cap nightmare. Their potential free agent list will be interesting. Even some not approaching free agency will not be with the team in 2025 IMO.
If he DOES NOT TAKE A CUT, then try to trade him away and keep VA. This will all be known prior to free agency day.
VA3 to Edm, Ford to WPG.
OK, so I didn't watch the game (playing poker) and I'm not really interested in watching it knowing the result (its not a Bombers game).
Please fill me in.
Who on the Riders was injured? I saw Sayles getting attention, but other than that...
Quote from: theaardvark on November 03, 2024, 06:57:03 PMVA3 to Edm, Ford to WPG.
Never. We don't have any money. And for what purpose? What would Ford do while Zach is #1? He's too tiny to be SY.
We paid Strevy $110k. Ford will get at least $200k, even as "only" a #2.
We'll re-sign Strevy or Prukop before we even think about Ford. Personally I think we're happy with Wilson for SY/dev.
Quote from: theaardvark on November 03, 2024, 07:02:25 PMOK, so I didn't watch the game (playing poker) and I'm not really interested in watching it knowing the result (its not a Bombers game).
Please fill me in.
Who on the Riders was injured? I saw Sayles getting attention, but other than that...
You could read this GDT from page 1! It's pretty exhaustive as to what happened.
The big injury for SSK is LT Reid with a blown out knee from a roll-up. I think he's done for the year. I'm not sure SSK has any legit OTs left: they've lost quite a few OL this season.
DE Cox left and I'm not sure he came back. I thought at the time it looked like he might be done for the year. 50/50.
KSB got mega-whacked and might have issues this week. Armstead didn't play the 2nd H (we think). Oullette looked banged up -- as he always does.
SSK paid a dear price for not winning the W (reg season).
I guess it stills rings true: BC sucks.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 04, 2024, 12:57:48 AMNever. We don't have any money. And for what purpose? What would Ford do while Zach is #1? He's too tiny to be SY.
We paid Strevy $110k. Ford will get at least $200k, even as "only" a #2.
We'll re-sign Strevy or Prukop before we even think about Ford. Personally I think we're happy with Wilson for SY/dev.
I don't really expect Ford to come here, but the scenario in which it happens is easy figure out. He hits FA and no one wants to sign him as starter, so he has to pick the spot where he sees the best opportunity to get starts.
At that point I expect him to enter a situation that has questionable QB room, but he may look at Winnipeg and see a QB about to retire who has missed some time in recent years. Not to mention that everyone is saying he needs a quality mentor before he gets the gig for real.
I don't understand why BC is set on letting VAJ go to FA and keep the over paid underperforming spoiled brat, just because he comes from the area. Big deal. I'd keep VAJ, try and renegotiate NR contract, and if he doesn't want to renegotiate/take ownership for his poor performance, when VAJ came in and clearly made a difference, then I'd cut him and he can go elsewhere, maybe a change of scenery and a kick in the pants is what he needs to bring him back to reality. If BC keeps Rourke over VAJ, and VAJ goes onto say Calgary, and they turn it around, which they will with him and Rourke struggles, all that's going to do is cost Campbell his job as well. Between the failed Mike Reilly experiment and the recent NR debackle, the Lions have made very poor Qb and contract decisions.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 03, 2024, 12:20:09 AMYa, 2nd bad playoff showing in a row.
I'm not sure Rourke will be any better in '25, but at least you have the hope of him finally finding his mojo and being able to win the playoffs. VAJ is a known quantity, and that quantity is he won't get you to the cup.
Yep, VA is a known quantity, always an emotional basket case.
I thought VAJ handled it was well as could be expected, I know I would have been pissed. You have the team in first place, you get hurt and they pay this immature kid a ton of money, give him your roster spot and you watch game after game him losing games, and then you come in and light it up. The Lions lost, but heck, it wasn't his fault, his defense could have played better and made a few more plays to make the game close.
I ve never been a big fan of his, but I really hope he lands on his feet--likely in Calgary, and does well next year, and BC rots with rourke, absolutely rots.
Quote from: dd on November 06, 2024, 02:47:16 AMI thought VAJ handled it was well as could be expected, I know I would have been pissed. You have the team in first place, you get hurt and they pay this immature kid a ton of money, give him your roster spot and you watch game after game him losing games, and then you come in and light it up. The Lions lost, but heck, it wasn't his fault, his defense could have played better and made a few more plays to make the game close.
I ve never been a big fan of his, but I really hope he lands on his feet--likely in Calgary, and does well next year, and BC rots with rourke, absolutely rots.
Wouldn't want him on my team, he's too weak, says a lot of things that should not be said, which just adds to the dissension building up in the BC locker room. If Vern wants to be the leader of a football team, he needs to demonstrate he can win big games when it counts and maintain an even keel win or lose, that's what leaders do.
Adams Jr. was on his way to be a serious contender for MOP in 2024. No wonder he was unhappy about being benched when he was performing well. I understand the thought that Rourke could replicate his last season with the Lions but that proved to be wrong.
The question is, is Rourke the future in BC because it seems pretty clear Adams Jr. won't be returning to the Lions unless he goes into the 2025 season as the No. 1 guy. And there is no guarantee he would be willing to re-sign in any event given his comments about being benched this season because of the failed experiment with Rourke.
The Lions have some soul-searching to do.
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 06, 2024, 06:15:25 AMAdams Jr. was on his way to be a serious contender for MOP in 2024. No wonder he was unhappy about being benched when he was performing well. I understand the thought that Rourke could replicate his last season with the Lions but that proved to be wrong.
The question is, is Rourke the future in BC because it seems pretty clear Adams Jr. won't be returning to the Lions unless he goes into the 2025 season as the No. 1 guy. And there is no guarantee he would be willing to re-sign in any event given his comments about being benched this season because of the failed experiment with Rourke.
The Lions have some soul-searching to do.
It's quite the problem. Note that Adams is not a free agent so getting him to return is not part of the equation if that's what they choose.
The deal they signed Rourke to is a problem even if he had played well which he didn't.
Even in Vancouver they aren't sure what's going to happen. Rourke may be the long term solution but may not be the solution in 2025.
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 06, 2024, 06:15:25 AMAdams Jr. was on his way to be a serious contender for MOP in 2024. No wonder he was unhappy about being benched when he was performing well. I understand the thought that Rourke could replicate his last season with the Lions but that proved to be wrong.
The question is, is Rourke the future in BC because it seems pretty clear Adams Jr. won't be returning to the Lions unless he goes into the 2025 season as the No. 1 guy. And there is no guarantee he would be willing to re-sign in any event given his comments about being benched this season because of the failed experiment with Rourke.
The Lions have some soul-searching to do.
What a failure of a season for them. Poor management and coaching cost them dearly.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 06, 2024, 01:43:52 PMWhat a failure of a season for them. Poor management and coaching cost them dearly.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 01:43:14 PMIt's quite the problem. Note that Adams is not a free agent so getting him to return is not part of the equation if that's what they choose.
The deal they signed Rourke to is a problem even if he had played well which he didn't.
Even in Vancouver they aren't sure what's going to happen. Rourke may be the long term solution but may not be the solution in 2025.
It will be an interesting off-season for BC to sort everything out, I don't know how much heat Rick Campbell will take or if he deserves any of it, still believe it was the owner that threw a spanner into the works and messed everything up. As for Rourke he'll be fine next season, but they need to get VA out of the room and purge players with bad attitudes that are dividing the team into different camps.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 03:05:23 PMIt will be an interesting off-season for BC to sort everything out, I don't know how much heat Rick Campbell will take or if he deserves any of it, still believe it was the owner that threw a spanner into the works and messed everything up. As for Rourke he'll be fine next season, but they need to get VA out of the room and purge players with bad attitudes that are dividing the team into different camps.
Rick Campbell's HC and co-GM, so I'd say he shoulders a pretty ample share of the blame. The guy's too tepid, IMO.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 01:43:14 PMIt's quite the problem. Note that Adams is not a free agent so getting him to return is not part of the equation if that's what they choose.
The deal they signed Rourke to is a problem even if he had played well which he didn't.
Even in Vancouver they aren't sure what's going to happen. Rourke may be the long term solution but may not be the solution in 2025.
I incorrectly assumed he was a free agent at the end of this season. I still doubt Adams Jr. wants to play for the Lions though and would not at all be surprised if he wants to be traded or even released just based on his recent comments. I have no doubt at lease a couple of teams would be interested in signing him.
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 06, 2024, 06:29:37 PMI incorrectly assumed he was a free agent at the end of this season. I still doubt Adams Jr. wants to play for the Lions though and would not at all be surprised if he wants to be traded or even released just based on his recent comments. I have no doubt at lease a couple of teams would be interested in signing him.
Teams will be interested in acquiring Adams.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 06:36:32 PMTeams will be interested in acquiring Adams.
Few teams looking for a starter, maybe Calgary? I think he's earning around $350k this season, he might have to drop that number and start over again like Trevor Harris has if he wants more options.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 07:49:56 PMFew teams looking for a starter, maybe Calgary? I think he's earning around $350k this season, he might have to drop that number and start over again like Trevor Harris has if he wants more options.
There is going to be a domino effect happening here. Both Ford and MBT may be moving on. Adams ranks above both but timing in making a trade or a free agency acquisition come into play. What a team has to give up in talent is an issue. IMO the Lions will not want Adams to land on a west division team.
That doesn't stop them so Calgary and Edmonton are in play. Depending on how Harris does in the playoffs is a factor and he turns 39 during TC 2025. If he wins the Grey Cup he might retire. If he tanks the WDF ( Bomber plan ) he may not be asked back to TC next year. I don't remember his SMS compared to Adams.
Same issue for BLM in Hamilton except he's already out of the play offs. He turns 35 before TC.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 07:49:56 PMFew teams looking for a starter, maybe Calgary? I think he's earning around $350k this season, he might have to drop that number and start over again like Trevor Harris has if he wants more options.
And in the understatement of the year...
'I believe we will be over': B.C. Lions admit to exceeding CFL salary cap in 2024https://3downnation.com/2024/11/06/i-believe-we-will-be-over-b-c-lions-admit-to-exceeding-cfl-salary-cap-in-2024/
Adams is scheduled to make $500k next year according to this.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 04:44:27 AMWouldn't want him on my team, he's too weak, says a lot of things that should not be said, which just adds to the dissension building up in the BC locker room. If Vern wants to be the leader of a football team, he needs to demonstrate he can win big games when it counts and maintain an even keel win or lose, that's what leaders do.
Agree 100%, but I'd rather have VAJ leading me than immature Rourke and sure as heck better than Jake Maier.
Quote from: Waffler on November 06, 2024, 10:12:43 PMAnd in the understatement of the year...'I believe we will be over': B.C. Lions admit to exceeding CFL salary cap in 2024
https://3downnation.com/2024/11/06/i-believe-we-will-be-over-b-c-lions-admit-to-exceeding-cfl-salary-cap-in-2024/
Adams is scheduled to make $500k next year according to this.
That contract will have to be re-negotiated, nobodies paying him that. If he could have beat Sask. he may have changed a few minds, but as it is, it's the same old story.
Quote from: Blue In BC on November 06, 2024, 09:37:19 PMThere is going to be a domino effect happening here. Both Ford and MBT may be moving on. Adams ranks above both but timing in making a trade or a free agency acquisition come into play. What a team has to give up in talent is an issue. IMO the Lions will not want Adams to land on a west division team.
That doesn't stop them so Calgary and Edmonton are in play. Depending on how Harris does in the playoffs is a factor and he turns 39 during TC 2025. If he wins the Grey Cup he might retire. If he tanks the WDF ( Bomber plan ) he may not be asked back to TC next year. I don't remember his SMS compared to Adams.
Same issue for BLM in Hamilton except he's already out of the play offs. He turns 35 before TC.
With an organizational shakeup under way I can't see the Elks going into the off-season not knowing exactly who their QB is going to be for team marketing purposes. If it's not Ford it will be MBT, if it's not MBT, they may trade for Adams asap. They need a commitment.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 10:47:11 PMThat contract will have to be re-negotiated, nobodies paying him that. If he could have beat Sask. he may have changed a few minds, but as it is, it's the same old story.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 07:49:56 PMFew teams looking for a starter, maybe Calgary? I think he's earning around $350k this season, he might have to drop that number and start over again like Trevor Harris has if he wants more options.
I don't agree with your analysis of the situation at all.
Edmonton and Calgary and definitely looking for upgrades. They have missed the play-offs and their attendance is tanking. Hamilton benched Bo Levi this year and that relationship seems a little frayed at best. Sask could be looking for a longer term solution at QB.
As to his salary, 3down lists him at 400k, and even 500k won't even out him in the top half of starting QB salaries. I think your perception is a little skewed.
Quote from: Jesse on November 06, 2024, 11:26:13 PMI don't agree with your analysis of the situation at all.
Edmonton and Calgary and definitely looking for upgrades. They have missed the play-offs and their attendance is tanking. Hamilton benched Bo Levi this year and that relationship seems a little frayed at best. Sask could be looking for a longer term solution at QB.
As to his salary, 3down lists him at 400k, and even 500k won't even out him in the top half of starting QB salaries. I think your perception is a little skewed.
Trade talks will be underway soon. Probably start before the end of the year, right after decisions on coaching are made. That's the 1st step.
With the increase in Adams salary to $500K in 2025, they may seek permission to re-negotiate a more team friendly deal. It's one thing to pay that to a free agent but giving up assets to do that is not as good an option.
It's an unusual situation in that the Lions can't keep both QB's.
I just don't understand why BC is bent on keeping Rourke, who clearly under performed this year, and if you're worried about Adams's performance in the WSF, Rourke would have been 10X worse. I'd be keeping Adams and kicking Rourke to the curb
Quote from: dd on November 07, 2024, 12:01:48 AMI just don't understand why BC is bent on keeping Rourke, who clearly under performed this year, and if you're worried about Adams's performance in the WSF, Rourke would have been 10X worse. I'd be keeping Adams and kicking Rourke to the curb
Maybe they're not. But they made a huge commitment to him. And when he actually went through a training camp with the team, he obviously experienced much more success than this year's thrown into the fire while learning your 4th offence in the last month
Quote from: Jesse on November 06, 2024, 11:26:13 PMI don't agree with your analysis of the situation at all.
Edmonton and Calgary and definitely looking for upgrades. They have missed the play-offs and their attendance is tanking. Hamilton benched Bo Levi this year and that relationship seems a little frayed at best. Sask could be looking for a longer term solution at QB.
As to his salary, 3down lists him at 400k, and even 500k won't even out him in the top half of starting QB salaries. I think your perception is a little skewed.
I was suggesting Adams salary is definitely too high for a backup role. As for BLM and Trevor Harris I think their play this season has earned them the starting job next season. The Ti-Cats also have a good young backup in Powell.
How does Adams go from front runner in the 2024 MOP conversation to a backup?? The guy is a starter, moreso than a ton of Qb's presently starting--MBT, Maier, BLM, Brown, Masoli and he's in the same conversation as Collaros, Harris, Fajardo and Kelly. He's a bonafide starter and I hope he gets to start in either Calgary or Edmonton next year and we can all sit back and watch Rourke flop again and laugh our *ss off!!!
Quote from: dd on November 07, 2024, 01:38:32 AMHow does Adams go from front runner in the 2024 MOP conversation to a backup?? The guy is a starter, moreso than a ton of Qb's presently starting--MBT, Maier, BLM, Brown, Masoli and he's in the same conversation as Collaros, Harris, Fajardo and Kelly. He's a bonafide starter and I hope he gets to start in either Calgary or Edmonton next year and we can all sit back and watch Rourke flop again and laugh our *ss off!!!
Your blind hatred for Rourke is disturbing
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 10:47:11 PMThat contract will have to be re-negotiated, nobodies paying him that. If he could have beat Sask. he may have changed a few minds, but as it is, it's the same old story.
VAJ will be sought after by 2-3 teams and earn at
least $500k. And he'll probably be closer to Zach money than $500k.
Quote from: ModAdmin on November 06, 2024, 06:15:25 AMThe question is, is Rourke the future in BC because it seems pretty clear Adams Jr. won't be returning to the Lions unless he goes into the 2025 season as the No. 1 guy. And there is no guarantee he would be willing to re-sign in any event given his comments about being benched this season because of the failed experiment with Rourke.
It's simple choice:
1. Keep VAJ = be a top-3 team in CFL in 2025, but never win a cup.
or
2. Keep Rourke = probably be iffy for half/all of 2025, possibly win a cup in '26-'28.
If you have the time and job security, you pick #2. If you're on the hot-seat (or if you're a basement team trade-shopping) you pick #1. If I'm BC right now, I'm picking #2.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 07, 2024, 07:50:02 AMIt's simple choice:
1. Keep VAJ = be a top-3 team in CFL in 2025, but never win a cup.
or
2. Keep Rourke = probably be iffy for half/all of 2025, possibly win a cup in '26-'28.
If you have the time and job security, you pick #2. If you're on the hot-seat (or if you're a basement team trade-shopping) you pick #1. If I'm BC right now, I'm picking #2.
That's true of any QB until they win it.
Rourke is Campbell's guy. If Campbell stays that is the direction they go. I still see the scene in my mind of the two of them coming out to watch the aftermath of our western final victory and I imagine that as a bonding/teaching moment for those two, a resolve to be back and win it. Rarely do you see a coach and qb that tight.
Quote from: Waffler on November 07, 2024, 01:07:34 PMRourke is Campbell's guy. If Campbell stays that is the direction they go. I still see the scene in my mind of the two of them coming out to watch the aftermath of our western final victory and I imagine that as a bonding/teaching moment for those two, a resolve to be back and win it. Rarely do you see a coach and qb that tight.
Doman bought Rourke's soul, if anyone thinks they're going to dump a marketer's wet dream for flaky old Vern, they're plumb loco. The investment in "Kid Canada" is to put butts in seats.
Even old ladies want a piece of him.
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Quote from: Jesse on November 07, 2024, 10:42:01 AMThat's true of any QB until they win it.
I'd bet money if there was a market that would take my "VAJ won't win a GC in the next 5 years" bet. And after 5 years he'll be old & gone anyhow.
I really am that sure of this.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 07, 2024, 04:50:58 PMEven old ladies want a piece of him.
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Look! I just spotted the $200k in "marketing"!!
Quote from: Waffler on November 07, 2024, 01:07:34 PMRourke is Campbell's guy. If Campbell stays that is the direction they go. I still see the scene in my mind of the two of them coming out to watch the aftermath of our western final victory and I imagine that as a bonding/teaching moment for those two, a resolve to be back and win it. Rarely do you see a coach and qb that tight.
I thought all that bawling was Rourke with Burnham? Was there shots of him bawling on Campbell too? Hmm... might still be on the PVR somewhere...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 07, 2024, 07:45:50 AMVAJ will be sought after by 2-3 teams and earn at least $500k. And he'll probably be closer to Zach money than $500k.
Tell me the names of the GM's willing to risk their necks paying full freight for VA? I'm not even sure Dickie would be comfortable doing it once he sits down and talks to him. $350k max. is my prediction, take it or leave it Vern.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 08, 2024, 03:41:18 PMTell me the names of the GM's willing to risk their necks paying full freight for VA? I'm not even sure Dickie would be comfortable doing it once he sits down and talks to him. $350k max. is my prediction, take it or leave it Vern.
A team that acquires Adams in trade would have to have a concession of a new deal before a trade is completed. That's not outside the possibilities but it is a 2nd layer issue to the trade.
Trade for VAJ and you get his contract which is $500K next year. Wait until he hit FA and you're negotiating against other teams that want him.
Quote from: TBURGESS on November 08, 2024, 04:31:28 PMTrade for VAJ and you get his contract which is $500K next year. Wait until he hit FA and you're negotiating against other teams that want him.
He's not a potential free agent though. So a team would seek permission to speak with him early. That might cost a neg list or draft choice for that right as well.
I'd think talks could happen immediately after Grey Cup week. Teams like Calgary and Edmonton will need to decide which is their best option before they risk losing their QB's.
Part of the discussions have been that Harris and BLM have earned the right to return in 2025. I wouldn't totally agree or disagree.
If Harris succeeds and wins the Grey Cup he could retire. In any case is he the QB they want to continue with for the future. BLM was benched in Hamilton earlier and even though he finished reasonably well, he wasn't perceived as the starter.
So age, previous injuries and SMS questions don't guarantee either are in the plans.
If a trade is made for VAJ, then chips / decisions will start to fall elsewhere. Just my hunch he ends up in Hamilton if they can make a trade that works for them.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 08, 2024, 03:41:18 PMTell me the names of the GM's willing to risk their necks paying full freight for VA? I'm not even sure Dickie would be comfortable doing it once he sits down and talks to him. $350k max. is my prediction, take it or leave it Vern.
Starting QBs do not get paid that low anymore.
The only one who gets paid 350 is Dru Brown, who was a complete unknown and technically competing for the starter role.
Quote from: Jesse on November 08, 2024, 07:11:04 PMStarting QBs do not get paid that low anymore.
The only one who gets paid 350 is Dru Brown, who was a complete unknown and technically competing for the starter role.
No, but the contract could be re-structured to have games played and performance clauses. He also has guaranteed money in 2026. The fact he needs to be traded might be because teams are recognizing QB's are getting too big a piece of the pie.
There have already been discussions about poster thinking Rourke should take a cut. Of course that's just us posters and maybe some media feeling a line too far has been crossed. If he was closer to $450K they could probably keep both QB's.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 08, 2024, 03:41:18 PMTell me the names of the GM's willing to risk their necks paying full freight for VA? I'm not even sure Dickie would be comfortable doing it once he sits down and talks to him. $350k max. is my prediction, take it or leave it Vern.
Both Alberta teams didn't make the playoffs for the first time in decades, guaranteed both will be interested in VA, and he'll get a decent buck while he's at it. He got totally screwed over this season and likely cost him the MOP. An offer of $350k is ridiculous
I really like Vernon Adams. He is experienced, plays the CFL QB position well and processes things quickly during live action. He's athletic with good legs and speed, throws a good accurate ball and has a strong arm. Like any QB in this league his success depends on a good O-line and good receivers that run good routes.
Quote from: J5V on November 09, 2024, 03:04:56 AMI really like Vernon Adams. He is experienced, plays the CFL QB position well and processes things quickly during live action. He's athletic with good legs and speed, throws a good accurate ball and has a strong arm. Like any QB in this league his success depends on a good O-line and good receivers that run good routes.
To add to that, he has the quickest feet by far in the CFL Qb position. I was never a big fan of his, but given the way he was treated this year, he deserved better and I hope he gets on a team and does well