QB drive results ranked by points per drive.
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Historical data for comparison.
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Short Yardage QBs & FBs - Rush attempts from under centre
Ranked by 3rd down success rate
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Some numbers on the Blue Bombers kick returners in 2024
I use the 40 yard line as the target mark for kickoff returns because that is the spot teams can choose to start a drive after a FG.
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Individual Penalties in 2024
Pre-Snap - only detail on the play is the penalty
DBF - Dead Ball Foul. Penalties applied after the play
Misc - Misconduct penalties
Dec - Declined
Note - Some penalties (example Roughing the Passer) can be applied as in play or DBF depending on the result of the play.
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My numbers may not equate to numbers produced by the CFL.
Zach Collaros has the worst QB rating among all the 9 starters this year. Just noticed that.
We really need to put some money into our offensive line next year.
Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 05:34:30 PMZach Collaros has the worst QB rating among all the 9 starters this year. Just noticed that.
We really need to put some money into our offensive line next year.
What has been true all season is his yards/drive are up there in the top 3, but the points/drive are not.
Our offence doesn't seem to have trouble moving between the 20's, but our redzone offence has been really bad.
Quote from: Jesse on October 28, 2024, 05:48:19 PMWhat has been true all season is his yards/drive are up there in the top 3, but the points/drive are not.
Our offence doesn't seem to have trouble moving between the 20's, but our redzone offence has been really bad.
To me that's our O-line and missing Shoen.
Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 07:20:29 PMTo me that's our O-line and missing Schoen.
I'd put Pierce's play-calling/game-planning ahead of either.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 28, 2024, 07:29:12 PMI'd put Pierce's play-calling/game-planning ahead of either.
Didn't we have one of the best offenses during the past two years?
Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 05:34:30 PMZach Collaros has the worst QB rating among all the 9 starters this year. Just noticed that.
We really need to put some money into our offensive line next year.
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That is =Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 05:34:30 PMZach Collaros has the worst QB rating among all the 9 starters this year. Just noticed that.
We really need to put some money into our offensive line next year.
That is part of the answer - we are weak down the middle (Left Guard - Centre - Right Guard) - but I think part of our issue is the play calling. Also missing Shoen (spelling?) did not help
Quote from: BBRT on October 28, 2024, 08:04:37 PMThat is part of the answer - we are weak down the middle (Left Guard - Centre - Right Guard) - but I think part of our issue is the play calling. Also missing Shoen (spelling?) did not help
If Kelly starts at safety next year and Ford re-signs, then we can probably start another American O-lineman.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on October 28, 2024, 05:12:27 PMShort Yardage QBs & FBs - Rush attempts from under centre
Ranked by 3rd down success rate
Finally, I can fully agree with your numbers! Your "3rd" col Att/Made number are bang on with my memory for Strev & Wilson.
To me all other SY stats are not as important because all that matters is if you get it on the 3rd down. If you're doing SY on 2nd, who cares if you botch it as long as you get enough (or don't lose any) to go again on 3rd. (At least in the MOS way of doing things.)
However, those numbers can be useful for deciding if you should go for it on 1.5Y or 2Y, and also what your "now we sneak instead of run" threshold is on 2nd down (which for MOS seems to be 3Y, except in the last game strangely enough).
All the charts are great and thanks for sharing. Very useful data.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 28, 2024, 07:29:12 PMI'd put Pierce's play-calling/game-planning ahead of either.
Not sure about "ahead", but definitely in the mix of problems.
Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 07:59:45 PMDidn't we have one of the best offenses during the past two years?
Every single season that goes by we get a bit more vanilla on O play calling. And a bit more conservative. Remember how wild & creative we were under Lapo, and Buck's first OC year? Where did all the misdirection go? Was there any at all vs MTL?
The whole (only?) plan now is: control the clock, shorten the game, stay ahead or close, win at the end. (Proof: see 90% of the 2024 season, and the '22 and '23 GCs.)
The only time we deviate is if we're 2 scores down, or our first couple of deep shots are successful. Heaven help us if our first shots are dismal failures: then we turtle into grind mode and take 1 shot a quarter at best.
I said after the '23 GC loss that we "must be bold". Have seen zero bold so far in '24. I hope they're saving up all the "bold" for the GC!! But I won't hold my breath! If they grind & turtle in this GC, I hope to heck they know what they are doing.
Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 08:19:57 PMIf Kelly starts at safety next year and Ford re-signs, then we can probably start another American O-lineman.
We can probably start a 3rd IMP OL right now. And I would. MTL and TOR will have field day otherwise.
Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 07:59:45 PMDidn't we have one of the best offenses during the past two years?
No question. This season, though... Not so much.
While it's true we were less successful scoring points, we did move the ball and keep the opponents off the field.
In many games we won TOP and field position etc. It is a 2 way street since when our defence got the opponent off the field, our offence kept the ball.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 29, 2024, 04:09:37 PMWhile it's true we were less successful scoring points, we did move the ball and keep the opponents off the field.
In many games we won TOP and field position etc.
Is that a function of us having a good O? Or a function of the MOS/Buck game-control clock-control focused O? We are almost always trying to shorten a game and win TOP.
Ya, "everyone wants to win TOP", but not every team makes that their main focus. Most teams focus on scoring.
It's part of the reason our games tend to be "boring", until the 3 min warning at least.
I'm not sure why Mafia have had this change of heart, but it started dominating our plan maybe in 2022. And it seems to be working(ish), so I'm not complaining (much). My only desire would be that we had the ability to play 100% the opposite way (like VAJ's good days in BC) when we need to. We could take the opponent completely off-balance if we come out with a BC game plan in the GC and I don't think they'd be able to recover (
if we pulled it off!).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 02:25:48 AMIs that a function of us having a good O? Or a function of the MOS/Buck game-control clock-control focused O? We are almost always trying to shorten a game and win TOP.
Ya, "everyone wants to win TOP", but not every team makes that their main focus. Most teams focus on scoring.
It's part of the reason our games tend to be "boring", until the 3 min warning at least.
I'm not sure why Mafia have had this change of heart, but it started dominating our plan maybe in 2022. And it seems to be working(ish), so I'm not complaining (much). My only desire would be that we had the ability to play 100% the opposite way (like VAJ's good days in BC) when we need to. We could take the opponent completely off-balance if we come out with a BC game plan in the GC and I don't think they'd be able to recover (if we pulled it off!).
We have been fighting injuries to key players all year. You don't address that. It has had a significant bearing on who we are and what we've accomplished and despite all that we have found a way to complete the season in 1st place in the west!
We are not going to be BC or any other team you want to compare us with. No disrespect, but I don't believe anyone in the Bomber organization (right now) would want to compare us or how we compete, with anyone else in the league. Personally, while we are no perfect, I will take our coaching, management and healthy player roster over any other team in the league.
Quote from: ModAdmin on October 30, 2024, 04:27:05 AMWe have been fighting injuries to key players all year. You don't address that. It has had a significant bearing on who we are and what we've accomplished and despite all that we have found a way to complete the season in 1st place in the west!
I did. I said we were starting down this clock-control shortened-game approach around 2022. By 2023 we were all-in on the strategy. This year it's basically all we have.
Yes, injuries may be amplifying that this year, but I think it's the basis of our core strategy regardless of health status.
And I'm not dissing it. Clearly the braintrust has give it great thought and decided this is our best path. And it has worked so far, so who am I to judge? But it's not without its annoying downsides.
(The funny thing is, a few teams have followed us down this path in some ways, though not to the same degree: MTL & SSK come to mind.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 04:48:17 AMI did. I said we were starting down this clock-control shortened-game approach around 2022. By 2023 we were all-in on the strategy. This year it's basically all we have.
Yes, injuries may be amplifying that this year, but I think it's the basis of our core strategy regardless of health status.
And I'm not dissing it. Clearly the braintrust has give it great thought and decided this is our best path. And it has worked so far, so who am I to judge? But it's not without its annoying downsides.
(The funny thing is, a few teams have followed us down this path in some ways, though not to the same degree: MTL & SSK come to mind.)
An my point is that with a healthy, for example, Schoen, Bighill, Wolitarsky, Bighill, K. Wilson, Streveler, Neufeld (in part) in the line up, we would have a more "Bomber-like" offence and defence, yet, in spite of all that, we managed to find a way to first place.
Quote from: ModAdmin on October 30, 2024, 05:01:28 AMAn my point is that with a healthy, for example, Schoen, Bighill, Wolitarsky, Bighill, K. Wilson, Streveler, Neufeld (in part) in the line up, we would have a more "Bomber-like" offence and defence, yet, in spite of all that, we managed to find a way to first place.
You very well could be right! And not just injuries, but general lower-tier talent levels as the "dynasty" years went on and we lost more and more good guys to FA $ bails, and as we tie up more $ on retention of the elite.
That actually might explain the strategy shift. I wonder if Mafia figured this out on their own or they got to chat with Buono or Huff to get hints on how to handle the "we're the top, how do we stay that way" problem.
End of season punting numbers - I divide punts into punts from 'own side of centre' & 'opposition side of centre'
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QB drive results for the month of October
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I found this one interesting.
Highest percentage of FG attempts from 40+ range (since 2000)
Rene Paredes with the 3rd highest percentage in the past 25 years and a 92.0% success rate on those FGs
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Quote from: peg_city on October 28, 2024, 05:34:30 PMZach Collaros has the worst QB rating among all the 9 starters this year. Just noticed that.
We really need to put some money into our offensive line next year.
I was going to post a note of caution that the efficiency rating formula used by the CFL is wrong. Before posting I decided to confirm and much to my surprise the formula used on cfl.ca is correct for the first time in nearly 20 years - this is the Genius influence.
Before calling for Sheahan's head yet again this FA, people should study the "opposition side" punt-singles and pinned %1-20. He killed the pins and no-singles stat miles better than every other punter.
Methinks Sheahan's gonna be a Bomber again next year... (well, assuming the new commish keeps the GLOB program in place.)
Crazy to think Jake Thomas first season was at the old stadium.
His most memorable play to me was the forced fumble against Edmonton in the last minute allowing us to win (week 5 in 2012).
All those numbers made my head spin! :P
Zach will play better next year. OL will be fine and Buck will continue to improve. Draft a hog a few find some new faces for camp. Non issue, will be handled internally. Shoen will help a great deal and also will a healthy Lawler. Our new faces at receiver will be deadly.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 02:25:48 AMIs that a function of us having a good O? Or a function of the MOS/Buck game-control clock-control focused O? We are almost always trying to shorten a game and win TOP.
Ya, "everyone wants to win TOP", but not every team makes that their main focus. Most teams focus on scoring.
It's part of the reason our games tend to be "boring", until the 3 min warning at least.
I'm not sure why Mafia have had this change of heart, but it started dominating our plan maybe in 2022. And it seems to be working(ish), so I'm not complaining (much). My only desire would be that we had the ability to play 100% the opposite way (like VAJ's good days in BC) when we need to. We could take the opponent completely off-balance if we come out with a BC game plan in the GC and I don't think they'd be able to recover (if we pulled it off!).
I like our game plan--use the run to setup the pass via play action. Pound the ball and be physical with the defense, run play action and setup the pass. When defense goes to cover zero, hit them with the post or corner deep route to Lawler or Demski. Seems to be working well in the last 5 years.
Also, the BC big play offense works against weak secondary's, and failed miserably vs ours, 25-0 if I recall correctly. Nuff said on that game plan